🎮〕illuvium-zero

[simple juniper]

Haha one for Silv and one for silv2 ?

[lofty cape]

one on Dextools and one on Uniswap for sILV2

[left musk]

Hello Sascha,
I'am also german but i keep it english. Do you think with 32 sILV your good to buy T3 Land ?

[muted moth]

Well dextools just reflects the uniswap pool. It isn’t a pool itself

[lofty cape]

Super hard to tell the prices in ETH since the value of ILV and ETH will change before the sale

IF ETH climbs in price and ILV drops then the land sale will be a wreck

[simple juniper]

I bet it’ll dip once rewards come out because everyone will claim Silv and sell

[ivory vine]

Impossible to say since we a) don't know the starting prices yet, b) don't know the actual buying power of sILV around the sale and c) have no clarity in regards to how high the demand still is for land 🙂

Do I think it should be enough? Yes. But that says nothing ^^

[lofty cape]

With the massive delays in release the whales have a HUGE pool of rewards for land

[simple juniper]

It is rediculous now ya so much

[lofty cape]

We have been given an additional 5 months of rewards from the initial land sale date

I have 70 sILV and think that will be the new T3 range for cost

[left musk]

I also think its enough and I dont know that was a lot of money for something that isn't out yet. I missed axie but I dont miss Illuvium Ty for your Response 👍

[simple juniper]

I wouldn’t be surprised tbh 😒 I remember thinking 80 was gonna be enough for a T4 now I’m hoping it’s enough for a T3

What i am praying is that the demand for land goes away🙏

[left musk]

Thats some serious money guys how you sleep i can't barlley sleep

[lofty cape]

If you can't sleep get ready for the crypto market its a rollercoaster for sure

[pure mason]

These delays have really screwed the little to medium size guys. My 20 silv that I had ready I December could have bout me 10 or so tier 1 land. Now it will only get me like 2 if I am lucky

[lofty cape]

I want to know the reward yield for the time it has been paused I tried to redeem to ILV prior and it was closed

[pure mason]

I blame them delaying it to after Christmas, their greed kicked in and screwed us all

[lofty cape]

They do not mind look at the news already multi millionaires off Illuvium

Add in land sale, Illivatars, rewards, and RevDis it's going to be insane

[pure mason]

Yep they are going to be rich either way. Just screwed everyone else that was ready to go In December

[opal thistle]

So weird to find delays in videogame development 😲

[potent dock]

Deraji has a calculator to approximate rewards during the pause.

[lofty cape]

It is normal to see delays in video games! Then to say ILV Zero is complete and ready to go in Dec is the weird part

@potent dock Thank you sir going to check it out now in Staking?

[potent dock]

It's via his Publis0x, you can find a link in his Disc profile!

It might still be pinned in #🥩〕staking too...

[pure mason]

Especially when you can’t pull your money or sell and just watch the price plummet

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-traps-gotcha-trick-haha-gif-3512193

[hearty cradle]

but arent you in the council? There must have been talks about this?

what do we want? Land
when do we want it? Now
when will it be? ETH ATH

[hearty cradle]

the funny part is we got our silv2 back. Stake v2 got nothing to do with land sale

[potent dock]

Well that's not really true. Staking V2 has the framework for revdis. There are also people who want to claim pending rewards as sILV2 before the sale. So it's pretty much an A then B scenario.

[hearty cradle]

revdis of land sale goes to stake too? I thought it was only to land owner

[cosmic aspen]

the initial land sale proposal was approved with a unanimous agreement that the price of the land plots would be revisited closer to the sale through an ICCP

[potent dock]

Time to hit the books!

[hearty cradle]

thats only gonna be like 2 weeks of stake

[potent dock]

All revenue goes to ILV stakers. Land owners produce 5% of Fuel, they don't get 5% of revenue. And they do have to produce Fuel and sell it to realize a profit.

[hearty cradle]

now it make sense

[potent dock]

I feel like you're misinformed on that front. All the pending rewards from before the pause, and during the pause, can be claimed as sILV2 in theory. It's much more than 2 weeks worth.

[hearty cradle]

that means silv2 price is gonna go down the drain

[potent dock]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

I kinda doubt it, given that the first use case is right around the corner.

[hearty cradle]

it went to $140 the 1st day

[potent dock]

This is NFA, but I'm expecting both ILV and sILV2 to pump a bit before the land sale. Afterwards it might drop.

[hearty cradle]

and the only people who knows the date are the whales

[cosmic aspen]

lol - no one knows the dates

[potent dock]

What Kool-Aid are you drinking sir?

[hearty cradle]

grape

[hearty cradle]

not even dev? 😆

[potent dock]

Like, chronologically, here's how things are gonna go:
Audits finish
Staking V2 goes live (possibly with a shorter Upgrade Period, as Aaron mentioned, might be only a week or smth)
Upgrade Period Finishes
Land Sale Date Announced
Land Sale

Beta might happen somewhere in there.

[south belfry]

just wanna know prices if were sticking to the original price points lol

[hearty cradle]

with this situation? 😂

im so excited to see the timing of staking v2 upgrade and land sale date announcement

[tawny sandal]

V2 steaking is awaiting the results of an external audit, so the team doesn't know for sure either.

[hearty cradle]

lets believe that

[viscid bolt]

Don't people who audit have a deadline or an expected end date to the audit? Isn't this something that can be known?

[hearty cradle]

😂

[south belfry]

i feel a lot of people are gonna claim silv and dump because its been so long and they wanna liquidate

[hearty cradle]

been in M&A too long to laugh. Guys cmon

[cosmic aspen]

audits are a back and forth - they find something to fix? you fix it. then they look at it again. rinse/repeat as necessary.

[potent dock]

Even if they had an expected date for the audit to conclude, if they found issues with the contracts, they'd need to be revised, and audited again.

[cosmic aspen]

if you think you can set hard dates on those things you are prob pretty new to software audits IT

[hearty cradle]

it is all timed perfectly to anticipate 31st

[tawny sandal]

I'm not sure how these audits work, but it's likely hard to predict precisely how long it'll take.They probably got an estimate would be my guess.

As others mentioned, it's also a bit of an iterative process.

[viscid bolt]

Can't we know the estimate? Wouldn't an experienced auditor have a ballpark idea for how long audits usually take: My longest was 2 years and my shortest was 2 days 🙂

[south belfry]

was said like a week from the claim opening up

[hearty cradle]

so you need a series of price action events to smooth out the token release, while lobbying the whales to do OTC trade. Especially with crypto bear market and upcoming capital raise

all the juicy leaks must wait until then

[south belfry]

so should be here shortly

[hearty cradle]

it's all about leveling out price guys

[south belfry]

but it is odd that all this magicaly lines up with vc unlocks and what not

[hearty cradle]

we have a smart one over here. it is so plain some of the guys here refuse to see it

[south belfry]

i mean i planned my stake to end before theirs just incase lol

[hearty cradle]

and accuse of me of drinking the kool aid. I dnt praise an idol bro

I praise volatility

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/magical-magic-gif-13543499

do you even know the story of the kool aid? You are not using the term well

[potent dock]

To be fair, the Kool-Aid comment was because you were making assertions about things you blatantly didn't understand.

I mostly don't understand why people are so riled up about a linear unlock starting. This has been coming for longer than I've been aware of ILV. Maybe the price drops. That's always been a possibility. Maybe it's a buying opportunity for people with foresight.

[hearty cradle]

Some people are new here and investing their life savings. Im just laying it out to common

[south belfry]

its not riled up, just the fact that landsale and audit are all of a sudden so close to it.

[hearty cradle]

Dont mind me im just a trader passing by

[south belfry]

just a simple observation

[hearty cradle]

so simple, some people dnt want to see it

[hearty cradle]

kool aid term is for people doing something because their idol tell them to regardless of logic/common sense

for example, AMC, doge. shiba

if you think VC cares about the project they are investing, choose a flavour

especially early series VC, some of us have 2-3 years exit strat and that's it

pass it on to the med-long term private equity, those guys can handle long exit

it's totally different portfolio profile

it is called the game of hot potato, the sooner you passed it on the better

[little moon]

Will Land be priced in ETH or ILV?

from the pinned msg says 0.5 ETH for tier 1 land

[empty path]

You'll be able to buy land with ETH OR sILV2
First proposal was 0.5 ETH for T1 but this was declined by the community

[little moon]

I C - are we looking to increase or decrease from 0.5?

[empty path]

increase the starting price of the dutch auction

[little moon]

hmm already starting from like 1250 usd or so .... but I guess

[empty path]

It's an Dutch Auction to avoid gas war

[little moon]

will be looking forward to it, going to read up as much as I can

[little moon]

thanks for answering my questions!

[dire drift]

And when will Start the auction and where ?

[autumn island]

You can find the IlluviDex tag on our official website saying soon, no one knows when but it's soon after stake v2

[low quail]

😄 was just thinking whats the latest date, i sold my ILV early november and got Silv. Guess you should always do a +6-12 months on any crypto game estimate 😄

[autumn island]

In our case, it's always in 2 weeks lol. I want to tell you the date was not announced and plan financially base on leaks is risky, but I am in the same situation all hyped up since 2021 and totally prepared to buy lands.

[junior comet]

When is land sale?

[little moon]

It could be as soon as the end of the month. But early next month is more likely I think.

[severe oracle]

just on the side of excitement: does anyone have some prediction about the value of land per tier around the time of the open Beta? I know it's not healthy to think this way but I cant help it 😄

[harsh dew]

I have been analysing graph for many years. Every data can be put in a graph, so everything is data/numbers.
Understanding this, now it's time to talk about time .... we can't predict time simply because we can't predict reaction of everyone so please please stop asking when/wen.
I have been analysing graph for >3 years and the time is relative so no need to ask when. If you understand everything I said. Otherwise, spam when/wem....sigh.

[heady dew]

the land game will be released when the open beta for ilv is released right?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-waiting-im-well-gif-18430344

[vivid cipher]

Should be out first. But would be fully launched and operational and reset at the launch of the illuvium: overworld game

[south belfry]

I don’t think it will make a difference, gas won’t go crazy you’ll probably end up paying more to “avoid” gas

[hearty cradle]

thats the idea

[vague tide]

So how much for a normal trans cost? 10 to 50 or something?

[vivid cipher]

!fees ?

[woeful meadow]

Fast: 36 Standard: 35 Slow: 35
Simple ETH TX: $2.09 (0.0008 Ξ)
Token Approval (ERC20): $4.7 (0.0018 Ξ)
Token Transfer (ERC20): $4.43 (0.0017 Ξ)
Uniswap Trades: $11.22 - $18.78 (0.0043 Ξ - 0.0072 Ξ)

[gray tinsel]

Hi @vivid cipher , quick question, how much would each building will cost to put on the land and how would we paid for them (silv) ?

[vivid cipher]

Buildings are built using in game resources and time.

You can pay in sILV or Eth to speed up the buildings.

Probably you can pay to buy some in game resources too

Like most building games.

[gray tinsel]

excellent thanks

[hearty cradle]

how do we build the first one?

speed up is gonna be sold on appstore isnt it?

[vivid cipher]

We will get a resource drop to get things started.

[vivid cipher]

Should be.

[vague tide]

Much cheapter than i thought, tks

[vivid cipher]

That’s just the cost to process the transactions on ethereum network. Not the actual cost of whatever it is you want to buy or trade.

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message this may have some of what you are looking for.

[boreal barn]

when are we getting our worthless Silv back

when is my 22 grand worth of silv i purchased months ago now worth 3 bucks going to have value again

incredible at this point

[vivid cipher]

The new silv2 token has been out for a week or so. You can claim it on the website. #🔗〕helpful-links

[hearty cradle]

3 bucks?

[uneven atlas]

Think he means his old sILV value, appears he hasn’t been keeping up and claimed his new tokens yet. Which is incredible for an investor in a project to not read updates

[hearty cradle]

whales

[high sleet]

I've thrown an awesome blueprints video in #🎨〕community-content if anyone has questions!

[hearty cradle]

at last!

[tall bay]

Yup! if I had 22k in a project. I would be paying attention daily.

[cyan dew]

🤣

[warped ledge]

I think it is a little frustrating when you look at your asset showing a loss of 99.9%, maybe you would not look at it every day either ...

[hearty cradle]

😢 sorry dude

[soft spindle]

Hey peeps! Any leaks on land gameplay? I know it’s a builder, but are we gonna have events like earthquakes? Invaders? Zombies!!??

[warped ledge]

I would not think that is what happens, it is more a builder as base for the game not a action based gameplay.

[tawny sandal]

Maybe there will be an expansion in the future to extend the gameplay.

[empty path]

Please do this in #👑〕bot-commands

[glacial oak]

#🔗〕helpful-links

[lusty crag]

Thanks, found it ... : )

[glacial oak]

yw

[cosmic aspen]

or ya know, just 2.

#📣〕announcements message

[boreal barn]

honestly great point

[tall bear]

anyone know where i can find the docvumentation on illuvium zero ? couldn't find it in the links channel :/

[little moon]

Pretty much everything thats available is in the pins. Some of it is outdated though.

[tall bear]

found it, thanks !

[mystic crater]

do we know is zero coming for android and ios at the same time?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/buy-a-frog-get-land-pepe-frogland-reasons-to-live-frog-frog-reasons-gif-24195985

[regal trout]

The price of land will be the same on ETH and sILV2?

[potent dock]

Priced in ETH, so you can pay in ETH or the equivalent value of sILV2.

[regal trout]

Get it. Ty.

[safe canopy]

do then whats the point of buying discounted SILV2 if price of land will be in Eth equivalent..u still need the same $ value..which means u need to buy more SilV2..am i missing something?

[potent dock]

sILV2 is pegged to the value of ILV for the land sale. sILV2 sells for whatever price on secondary markets.

If the secondary market price of sILV2 is less than the price of ILV, there's a margin there.

Ex. Assume I want a plot for 1 ETH. That's approx. 5 sILV2 right now at ILV's current price. 5 sILV2 does not cost 1 ETH atm. DYOR.

[safe canopy]

i get it..so point is land price is in ILV..and u can pay for it either Silv or equivalent of Eth...i think im right..but what about in game? can someone purchase in game illuvials or other items with Silv2 and then sell it for either Ilv or Eth?? which means makes sense to just buy Silv2

[potent dock]

Land is priced in ETH. You can pay ETH or sILV2.

You can only use sILV2 for transaction with Illuvium, so that would be things like Land, Fuel, Shard Curing, things you are buying "from the game" so to speak. Illuvials are purchased exclusively from other players, and you have to use ETH for transactions with another player. This is because players might not want your sILV2.

[safe canopy]

ok cool..thanks..i wonder if there will be a market to flip fuel, shards etc..im trying to justify a large buy on Silv2

[potent dock]

When I say DYOR with sILV2 though, I do mean it sincerely. There's no guarantee that the LP for sILV2/ETH will exist. Liquidity providers could pull their liquidity at any point, at which point you'd lose the option to re-sell that sILV2. If you're not 100% confident in what you're doing, do some more research first, especially if you're making a large buy. Know the risks you're taking. Trading sILV2 is not supported by the tokenomics, or the team.

[safe canopy]

thank you .. i do understand. .. but SILV2 is official and supported in game as far as i have read... now whether i can use that to my advantage, not much info out there.. but since i do want to play the game, i thought it would be beneficial

[potent dock]

Using sILV2 is supported, yes.

[soft spindle]

Thanks. Won’t there be some fun mechanics though? Raiding mines? Defending against hostile aliens? Just thinking it would be more engaging than a passive builder.

[calm night]

Thank you. Do you know the production rate of sILV for each land size? Like how many sILV does a small land make vs huge

[muted moth]

Those values aren’t known. And land does not produce sILV2. It produces fuel that is then sold for ETH

[calm night]

oh that makes sense! Beautiful. So what other use does a land have other than producing ETH? Also how many lands can 1 person buy or 1 account buy?

[muted moth]

You can also produce blueprints which you can read about in the pins, and you can buy as many lands as your heart desires until supply runs out

[hearty cradle]

i dnt believe you can buy fuel or other eth-related in game items with sILV2, because you are not supposed to trade sILV2. So im guessing we can use sILV2 directly to travel/cure shard without the needs to buy fuel

[hearty cradle]

we are the hostile aliens. enslaving peaceful native inhabitants, do experiments on them, skinned them for eth

[spring jetty]

Preach 😂

[hearty cradle]

PETA is so gonna slam this game

[vivid cipher]

Colonialism at its best?

[hearty cradle]

it's liberation

[vivid cipher]

They’ll thank us later. If they survive.

[hearty cradle]

yea they'll thank us when they are bounded to my saber

[hollow spear]

where will the sale of illuvium zero lands be? i might sound a bit dumb, but this time i am not getting it

[empty path]

Illuvium website

[hollow spear]

Thanks a lot
Is going to be amazing for Shure... The game tho, love it

[brisk quail]

every tier lands(1to5) have an ability to scan blueprints or not?

[umbral badge]

all Tiers T1-T5 have the ability to scan Illuvials and Mint Blueprints.

T0 (free land) cannot Mint Blueprints, but I believe they can still Scan for Illuvials, and then are able to display holographic versions of those in their land

[brisk quail]

cool, tnx

[tight kestrel]

silv2 used to buy land wont be distributed as revdis, right? so what will happen to all that silv2?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-burn-hell-red-gif-4977777

[shell rose]

Every sILV created is an ILV burned, as Elmo says.

[ivory vine]

Technically not 100% correct. Every sILV2 claimed is an ILV that doesn't get minted in the first place 🙂 At least for the sILV2 created via staking yield this is the case. Possible changes in the future like sILV2 claims as an option for RevDis would actually have to burn ILV then.

[empty path]

sILV2 used in land sale will be burned right?

[ivory vine]

That is what I personally would expect, yes. Not sure if there is anything else that could even make sense here.

[empty path]

Ok, don’t wanna spread false information 🙂

[clear torrent]

Well it's better than putting your Pokemon through the grinder and making CANDIES out if em 😋

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/great-teacher-onizuka-gto-realization-doomed-scared-gif-4330346

Please tell me you are joking

[sudden olive]

Tell me one important fact about this game🥳

[warped ledge]

I posted this in ask-us-anything because I thought it was info for more then Illuvium zero but mod said better post it here so: here it is

And yes bigger would be better but I don´t know how to do that 😉

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[hearty cradle]

Yea i would think so too, the bp will be useless, and the skin will be very2 expensive.

[tawny sandal]

You could still buy the illuvial (maybe the skin too?) on the illuvidex even if you can't catch them in the wild any more.

I'm also guessing you'll probably find blueprints for active illuvials. Just a guess on my part.

[warped ledge]

Sure, they will be common at first and become more rare but to the degree of beeing useless because you can not find/burn the underlying Illuvial for the item because it is to rare itself. Maybe add some use or at least collector use to the bp.

[tawny sandal]

If there's a good idea for additional utility, I'm not at all opposed.

Just pointing out you'll likely still be able to find them on the illuvidex for a while. Eventually, they might get burned to create tier 3 illuvials, and the market might get sparse and expensive, but I'm guessing you wouldn't be finding blueprints that require that illuvial at that point, either. It would likely only be an issue for blueprints that we're held for a long time and never used.

[abstract crown]

Their memories will live on. As skins in our homes

[iron adder]

wen land? 🤣

[iron adder]

It had promise but feature creep is now delaying it.

[gritty charm]

any news on when this thing dropping?

[simple juniper]

Praying its sometime this month

[fleet pumice]

Lost all faith

[faint nexus]

The lack of communication around Land is frustrating indeed. Especially for something that has supposedly been ready since December. Hopefully, we have some information soon 🙂

[left musk]

Its because of the price movement in crypto in generell

[faint nexus]

Yes, I agree with this and I think it is smart from the Devs. However, I am under the impression that there has been little will to promote the land sale in general.

[hearty cradle]

the land sale announcement will be used to deter pre seed/seed investors in selling their released token

a $15/ILV of revdis, is another 7x 15x on top of their 250x 500x ROI

not much, but it might do the trick

[ashen scarab]

It’s not so bad. We’re talking about a game that will revolutionize the currently underwhelming gamefi space. I’d be comfortable waiting months more for something this big to be executed properly and in the way the team envisioned it with no added pressure to make mistakes. 🙏🏽💎

[faint nexus]

I share your opinion and your enthusiasm, though my point is that there is no communication around land at all. No leaks and barely no information on gameplay or mechanics of the mini game. There is less excitement for the land than Illuvatars despite the fact the it is a mini game and that some investors are going to spend some decent amount of money in there.

[cyan dew]

Give them some time guys

[hearty cradle]

just dnt buy any land jeez

[faint nexus]

What do you care,mate? I dont recall asking your opinion. You are very active lately to comment on everyone s messages,if you dont have any smart input just dont write.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[fickle forge]

Guys why are people excited about illuvitars that much? Aren’t they just ur profile that u can’t use in game or fight with it?

Like they don’t generate income or anything

[ivory hamlet]

do we know anything about the land sale?

[empty path]

Check the pinned messages

[ivory hamlet]

and how do I check that?

[empty path]

Click on the pin icon

[ivory hamlet]

thanks man

This tiers are just the rarity of the land or do you need 5 lands to create fuel?

[empty path]

Rarity

[ivory hamlet]

so this will just a public mint or can I get wl?

[empty path]

Public Dutch Auction

[ivory hamlet]

so there will be no minting just bids?

but there is no date yet?

[empty path]

No official date announced yet. We are waiting for staking v2 first

[umbral pecan]

hello guys .... but the lands have already been launched ?? ... sorry for the question but I'm not updated

[dire tiger]

Not yet. staking v2 will come first before land.
personally I am not even expecting land in March anymore.

[fallen nymph]

Same here. The way I understand it (could be wrong), it'll be 2 weeks for Staking v2 integration from the moment it's launched. How much buffer will they add to the end of v2 going live before they dive into the land sale? At least a week? I don't know. Anyway, I doubt that they'll want multiple complex things happening at the same time so it seems like April at the earliest... unless I'm wrong about the timing of things.

AND, I should add that I don't want them to rush any of this. Yeah, I want the land and I want to play Zero, but I want all of it rock solid so take your time boys and girls.

[echo ocean]

They have said they will probably shorten the V2 upgrade window. If they do this then there should be more than enough time to launch the land sale in March. however this is assuming that they have everything else for the land sale ready to go, which Kieran has said they do.. but honestly that doesn't mean much at this point

[ashen scarab]

Fair enough Bong, in the end we are all here because web3 gaming desperately needs a quality gaming experience both from a visual and gameplay perspective. Everyone's opinions and experience through it is completely valid. 👍🏽

[ashen scarab]

There's going to be many different types of players, collectors and investors in an ecosystem this large for sure. Its good that they can build things attractive to a wide demographic of gamer/investor.

[late parcel]

Atlas Soon

[sharp topaz]

does anyone know how much t2 land will cost in euros

[amber atlas]

this is a good point, the game has a few tweaks, bug fixes, balancing, etc happening, but there's no reason we can't create a new gameplay video

I've handed over the project to one of our new product managers, but assuming the latest sounds are in (the placeholder sounds were ugly 😉 ), I don't see why we couldn't do an updated gameplay video this week

(@cyan bone can you follow up on this)

my bad for not doing this sooner, caught up in the work, and forgot that you guys aren't seeing the updates that I see, sorry 😦

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mr-bean-bored-waiting-gif-16962141

[cyan bone]

Can do! @amber atlas

[faint nexus]

Wow 😍 That is why I love this project, thanks for being there for the community. You guys are awesome ❤️

[amber atlas]

hah easy for me to say, as I just deferred the responsibility to Nick 😉

[autumn island]

Hi Nick, congratulate for taking charge of this great project. We look forward to your leaks

[faint nexus]

You're da man ! 🔥

[quiet fern]

Lfg cant wait for landsale

[alpine tapir]

Wanted to mint some sILV to buy land, but seeing as people bought sILV for 2-3x discount on DEXes.. it's gonna be super inefficient to try to outbid that

Kinda feel punished for investing early, where I could have just waited and bought discounted token in an unofficial pool

[empty path]

You do realise crypto prices can go down right?

[alpine tapir]

What are you saying?

I'm not complaining ILV is cheaper now than when i bought it xD I'm saying it's kinda unfair to be outbid by sILV gotten from an unsupported market which is artificially cheap.
(Perhaps i should have been more specific, sorry)

[empty path]

You mean you would prefer if sILV couldn't be traded?

[alpine tapir]

Or perhaps if the traded sILV couldn't be used to buy land. But there's no way to do that. Not to mention, I'm happy for people who will get some cheap land out of this, just salty I couldn't be one of them 😅

[shell rose]

Is there an unofficial sILV v2 liquidity pool to trade from? If you wanted you could stock up with that still, assuming it exists.

[empty path]

There is one on uniswap. You can find the token address in #🔗〕helpful-links

[amber narwhal]

dahm this Illuvum zero are taking forever to come out

[safe canopy]

only concern is with Silv2 is we dont know if there will be liquidity in the future and other than land whether we can flip it any other way ingame..thoughts anyone??

[shell rose]

It’s supposed to be used to speed things up in ILV-Z out to travel and cut shards etc in the main game, I think

[safe canopy]

so that doesnt sound like it will be easy to flip silv2 for either ILV or Eth..hopefully just another official pool to be traded

[floral plank]

I plan to use Silv to accumulate the in game assets. Then you can sell for ETH, if you so desire!

[safe canopy]

are u sure on this? i dont think u can buy Illuvials or resources with SILV2.. is there any place or text from the team outlining this.. if so please DM me

[simple juniper]

you will only be able to buy illuvials off the illuvidex which will be in ETH

[potent dock]

You can pay for travel and shard curing with sILV2. So if you're willing to play the game, you can combine play + sILV2 to accumulate assets.

You can't directly trade sILV2 for Illuvials though.

You can also buy Land and Illuvitars with sILV2, which will be sellable assets.

So there's indirect ways to move your sILV2 holdings into assets, and then sell those assets for ETH. It's just not direct if the LP ceases to exist.

[safe canopy]

does this mean that i can play the game and collect assets without having much eth or ILV? i just want to roam.around collect assets explore and sell

[empty path]

A part of the game will be completely free to play

[tacit dove]

hi folks,

[potent dock]

Yeah, you could play the game with just sILV2. You'd need ETH if you wanted to do things like buy shards or Illuvials, but otherwise for normal gameplay, you'd be able to play and collect Illuvials and other assets with just sILV2.

Like Fraggy mentioned, you can also start playing for free, and you can collect T0 Illuvials that way. You might even be able to sell them, but how much they are worth is up to the market.

[tacit dove]

Could someone tell me what illuvium zero means? Is it land for the game?

[potent dock]

Check the #❓〕faq - It covers what Illuvium: Zero is in detail!

[safe canopy]

this is awesome i dont want to just sit on land..i want to use the cheaper Silv2 and grind making the journey more fun and as i get Illuvials i can sell them. Also i guess i can use silv2 for Iluvitars but had a question

if a bronze Iluvitar box is 0.05 or 0.1 Eth or Silv2 equivalent..then is it based on Silv2 price at that time or for this particular function Silv and Ilv will have the same value?? meaning to open a bronze Iluvitar box i will need say 0.3 ILV which if it can be 0.3 Silv2 then turns out to be much cheaper

[hearty cradle]

illuvitar is tradeable? i thought it is bind on use?

[potent dock]

Stuff will be priced in ETH.

So if an Illuvitar box were like, .05 ETH, ETH was $2500, and ILV were $500, you'd be spending $125 of ETH, which is the same as .25 sILV2.

Anytime you're spending sILV2 in the Illuvium ecosystem, it's valued at the current price of ILV.

[potent dock]

It's an NFT, not an in-game bind on whatever asset. Generally speaking, NFTs are tradable.

[hearty cradle]

people are just trashing general, hate those guys

[safe canopy]

awesome thanks much

[potent dock]

The original IIP suggested that accessories would bind when bonded to an Illuvitar though. I'm not completely sure how accessories will work.

[empty path]

#💬〕general message
Tell me more

[hearty cradle]

ohh yea that

so its the accessories

[safe canopy]

you have been very helpful..thank u

[hearty cradle]

yea kinda kinda like geisha teahouse

[potent dock]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-exactly-what-you-mean-lucifer-morningstar-tom-ellis-lucifer-i-understand-gif-18409822

[hearty cradle]

i dnt think so

https://tenor.com/view/im-totally-cereal-al-gore-south-park-s10e6-manbearpig-gif-20854893

seriously, its an nft project i swear just google it, it got kevin o leary

[wanton delta]

whats up

[copper charm]

yo

[safe canopy]

anyone here buying Silv2? say hello

[hearty cradle]

still waiting for the dip

[safe canopy]

ha ha me 2

[hearty cradle]

dont blink

[vivid cipher]

Please don’t have such market/price discussions that are unrelated to #🎮〕illuvium-zero in #🎮〕illuvium-zero. #💰〕token is much better place for this.

[hearty cradle]

sorry
ill delete it

shouldve been in dm sorry

[hallow patrol]

Silv2 is already tradable? 🤨

[left fjord]

Sorry for this question guys, but - do we know when we can mint land?

[lusty crag]

On what are we waiting for in relation to the land and illuvatar sale ?

[hearty cradle]

stake v2

[hearty cradle]

no

[abstract knot]

Yes, on Uniswap

[tawny wasp]

I'm optimistic it will be 2-4 weeks out if the staking v2 is resolved this week.

[visual terrace]

land

[hallow patrol]

And... That silv is 100% legit?

[left musk]

Silv is not legit Silv2 is

[hallow patrol]

This is scam?

[gusty fractal]

This is the Silv V1, he have no utility anymore

[hallow patrol]

Wheres silv2 adress? Because in uniswap, theres only the 1

[analog inlet]

#🔗〕helpful-links

[knotty lion]

hey! any info on how much fuel does a tier 3 land produce per day? and would it be able to sustain 30 runs per day?

[hearty harness]

wen land sale

[primal widget]

no

[loud gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[stray loom]

hi everyone, sorry if this question wasn't supposed to be in this channel, but can someone tell me which bot I have to send the wallet address to participate in the polemos giveaway?

[empty path]

It's not up yet

[stray loom]

thanks!! =)

[misty grove]

Does anyone know when is the land sale? Thanks in advance!

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-no-smh-gif-12504325

[cyan dew]

Maybe 2-4 weeks

[last bear]

if you develop your land, and choose to sell it, does the buildings and stuff stay on the land for the new owner?

[south belfry]

yeah so much for a week on v2 lol

[sage mauve]

Any Information how many ILV 2 ones need for Tier 1?

[harsh dew]

We don't know a much sILV2 will be needed for buying lands.

[tight kestrel]

last info T1 was something like ~ 1.25 ETH, or 6-7 sILV2

[empty path]

We don't know the starting price of the Dutch Auction. We don't know what price ILV will be during the land sale. Hard to say

[tight kestrel]

with 100 sILV2 u may get some land

[mortal mesa]

Hello guys I'm just curious if there is an exchange where I can buy sILV?

[undone phoenix]

maybe 4-6 weeks

[empty path]

soon

[undone phoenix]

there is an unofficial pool on uniswap - use at your own risk. You can see token ID in https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/814430845079126057

[undone phoenix]

You forgot ™️

[mortal mesa]

Thank you!

[mental niche]

What will be used to purchase land? ILV, ETH or sILV2?

[lunar shell]

eth and/or sILV2

[mental niche]

Thanks

[marsh sage]

ETH OR sILV2. Can’t be combined

[mental niche]

Any thoughts on how much T1, T2, T3 or T4 land would cost using sILV2?

[hearty cradle]

the new epoch will vote on prices

and prices in sILV2 will depend on ILV/ETH, so you better price it in ETH

[south belfry]

the one thing i dont like about this is having people who have actively speculated absurd starting prices

[hearty cradle]

its pinned

[sudden olive]

Any release infos for the app?

[hearty cradle]

of course
not

[fickle forge]

Guys when the land sale finished when will the illuvium zero mini game launch

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-biggest-mystery-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-is-the-biggest-secret-its-the-most-mysterious-thing-nobody-knows-that-gif-21430284

[nova basalt]

soon!

[fickle forge]

@noble quest do u have an answer for this

[gusty fractal]

maybe you dont know but Its a little impolite/rude/selfish '' ping'' the devs for questions already answered

the release of illuvium zéro Will be avaiable veery soon after the Land sale. (one or two weeks)

[hearty cradle]

yea replying to oneself is also weird

[spring jetty]

Let's not waste the devs' time on answering these pointless questions. They got more important stuff to do like finishing the game asap so we can play it

[hearty cradle]

yea we got fraggy for this type of questions

[royal coral]

Someone knows when will be the land’s launch ?

[empty path]

No official date announced yet. First we are waiting for staking v2. Keep an eye on #📣〕announcements

[royal coral]

Also Staking v2 has no official date announced right?

[empty path]

Not yet. The final external audit should be ready any day now so we are expecting an update really soon.

[fickle forge]

How is it rude if I ask the creators for a valid answer.Like it’s all speculations we never got details and information about land

[gusty fractal]

how old r u ?

[fickle forge]

How is this related

[vivid cipher]

JohnnyA has shared many times that the IZ game will be playable very shortly after the land sale finishes. should be pinned in here with many other answers he has shared

[fickle forge]

Okay thank you

[cyan dew]

Any info on staking v2

[coarse valve]

in 1 or 2 weeks I think

[pure mason]

Don’t you think it’s rude to hold our money hostage all these months. He can ask what he wants.

[pure mason]

Keep asking your questions bro. You are good. Don’t let other nimrods dictate your actions

[gusty fractal]

yep continu to haras a game dev with more than 200 People to manage with the same questions again and again and again... Nice advice

[pure mason]

Hey can do what he wants

[hearty cradle]

should we call the manager?

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-manager-finger-guns-the-office-steve-carell-gif-9577930

[fickle forge]

My question was to know if the illuvium zero game will be out before the main game and if you can produce some fuel before the game.

[gusty fractal]

i'm done with that New génération.... ils give up

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-alert-speaker-alarm-gif-15124610

[fickle forge]

Since the game is dependent on fuel so the minigame is important to produce some fuel before the game

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[gusty fractal]

35 year old and well educated

[muted moth]

The game will be out prior to the release of Illuvium, but with no earning capabilities. The ability to harvest and sell fuel will become active on the day public beta for Illuvium starts

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-how-i-met-your-mother-ted-moseby-college-spelling-gif-4648263

[gusty fractal]

😂 and crypto millionar ? one or two ?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/payday-rich-funny-im-so-rich-gif-14151423

[tawny wasp]

I feel you there but instead of jumping all the way to the staff team maybe tag moderators and work your way up the chain.

[fickle forge]

Bruh can everyone mind his business. Ur acting as if I killed the guy. I tagged him just because he is an admin and I saw him online.so chill guys

If u really care about the project u should be happy that people are interested to know more about the project

Now that’s all stop the arguments

[timber sapphire]

They should just make clear pins or announcements instead of these speculation dates that causes all these arguments

[noble quest]

Pb1 for ILV zero will likely go live a few weeks after land sale. Keep in mind this will not be on chain to begin with. But you will be be able to play and test out the game (once you are selected for the beta or once we go open beta)

[tawny wasp]

Sign me up! Where can I apply?

[small star]

I thought IZ was ready for weeks already 😱

[odd brook]

Hopefully you will need to buy a land in order to sign up, INCENTIVE 🙂

[tawny wasp]

That is a great Idea I love it! I'm dollar cost averging silv2 so I can buy a nice plot

[frosty lagoon]

do we have any update on staking v2 can someone just give a realistic timeline rather than saying 2 more weeks every time?

[empty path]

Less than 2 weeks

[frosty lagoon]

thanks just wanted to hear you say it

[empty path]

I have no idea tho

[frosty lagoon]

better than nothing

[nova basalt]

soon!

[cyan dew]

I think everything will dump

[fickle forge]

I have a question I was going over the white paper but didn’t find any information about land and illuvium zero. Does anyone know why?

[jade birch]

Can anyone give an approximation of an ROI based on hypotheticals of Land Tier owned, its output of gas, and sample total gas revenues from Illuvium?

[muted moth]

Unfortunately we don’t have that information, and might not have it until land is released and is working in conjunction with the main game

[jade birch]

It's difficult to justify the proposed auction prices without some kind of clarity there.

we don't have approximations of gas prices? and expected time to produce our land tier's max capacity for gas given certain constraints (like having the right amount of elements etc.)

[muted moth]

Nope

[jade birch]

I know the game's going to be awesome and the team's been grinding. The gameplay and Kieran's AMA's have been awesome. Would just love to know a little bit more fundamentals that justify the price and not just hype and scarcity of Land

[quasi canyon]

Correct me if i’m wrong, but worst case scenario, if the resources produced by land is not appropriate for the price, a proposal to adjust the amount of resources can be made, correct?

[muted moth]

Of course. It’s a DAO, so anything can be proposed, and with enough support, can be voted on and passed

[analog inlet]

its a mobile mini game sprate from the main game

[analog inlet]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero is a mobile mini game separate from the main game illuvium. this is a draft and subject to change bases on community consensus at the time the staring price will most likely be higher as they were deemed to be too low

without knowing the value of swaping eth - fuel its hard to say but generally speaking here is how the revenue for land owners will work

Just clarification you do not sell it to market individual landholder earnings are a stable "5%" of total are earing as simply based on what that individual landowner can produce.. So there is no peer - peer sales or any "competition" between landowners for the "best price"

example:

1 landowner only produced 1 unit of fuel to swap to the balancer they get whatever 1 unit is worth in ETH

if another land owner produces 5 units they get whatever 1 unit of fuel is worth when swap to the balancer x5 in ETH

so it really does not matter how many plots of land are active as the DAO produces 95% of the fuel so there will never be a "shortage"

Revenue Distribution ( from the draft form the IIP land sale)
Land owners will have the opportunity to earn revenue from players in the main game through novel use of a Balancer multi token Weighted
Pool. They will do so by swapping fuels they generate in game for ETH.

On the other side, players in Illuvium will swap ETH* for fuel, which is used to complete all transactions in the game except for IlluviDEX trading between players.

The target will be for land owners to be able to earn approximately 5% of the total revenue generated from in game purchases in Illuvium.

This is achieved by the Illuvium DAO swapping 19 fuel for every 1 fuel swapped by players of Illuvium: Zero.

[analog inlet]

the sale price and ROI are not mention to correlate. The main purpose of the land sale is to raise as much money for the DAo an stakers as possible as @muted moth says anything is possible but imo would be a very hard sell to get the community to back such a proposal

[jade birch]

thank you for spending the time to write that out. I had a chance to look at the LandSale document that's pinned before asking questions in here. I guess intricacies of prices and numbers won't be known by anyone until the game is established

[analog inlet]

true but there will be a updated IIP comming out before the land sale happens as it needs to discussed by the community and then voted on by the council

[jade birch]

didn't know that. That's good to know. thank you

[little moon]

Zero was supposed to be live with land sale, what happened.

[muted moth]

That is still the plan more or less; land sale happens, then a week or so later, IZ release. Possibly sooner than a week

[little moon]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[muted moth]

I think it'll be quicker than that personally, just by my questioning with Johnny, the one in charge of IZ. But of course, it is always possible it will be delayed

[analog inlet]

it has always bee off block pre-open beta there will be a full wipe of I0 before open beta thats when it will be "live"

[little moon]

I didn't ask about whether its on/off chain. I simply am asking why/when was it decided to not have land sale and land game at the same time

[analog inlet]

it never was that . always land sale -----> then test version --------->wipe --------->open beta illuvum ----------->l0 beta ilve

[little moon]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message Development Phases. We can both ignore the actual dates that were proposed

[analog inlet]

you point is omg thing change? really don't see any frim dates there sooo all subject to change.

[jade birch]

Are there going to be any more land sales after this one? How can the other 80,000 land plots be obtained?

[analog inlet]

5 20k land sales = 100k land over the next few years after that no more land

[devout isle]

Popping in here for the first in a while and don't see a date pinned, so just want to ask if there is an ETA on the land sale?

[ivory vine]

Unless a proposal adds more land after all 😄

[ivory vine]

No final date yet

[analog inlet]

truth 😆

[analog estuary]

is illuvium zero free？

[analog inlet]

yes you will be able to play free but only for "fun" . No practical benifts at all

[analog estuary]

ok

[supple pike]

Are land prices still estimated at around what is shown in the pinned graphic from February? 1-1.3 ETH for the lowest tier of land?

[reef echo]

That is the last estimate but who knows, it likely will be different

[supple pike]

Ok because that would put the total value of land in the first sale at around 60-70% the total market value of ILV, and I heard only 5% of rewards would go to Illuvium Zero. It seems like land would not be worth it from a purely mining standpoint. Obviously rarity/scarcity changes the economics a little, but there are also 5 total land sales to dilute the rarity

[analog inlet]

@bitter glade Does the 5% only apply to total fuel sales not "outside revenue" like game rev, land and illuvitar sales is that right?

[little moon]

Thats just the starting price for the dutch auction. Its not expected for people to buy at that price.

[supple pike]

Ok, thank you. Sentiment on discord seems to expect sales around that price, which seems at least 10x too high to me

[little moon]

Yeah i expect them to sell for closer to 40% of the starting prices, lots of people assume whales will overpay but as you pointed out it doesnt seem like a great investment at that price point.

[lofty cape]

Without knowing the cost of Blueprints it might be

[analog inlet]

According to @ivory bough awhile ago here

#802110554784661544 message

just wanted to let you know that RevDis is still 100% of what the DAO gets goes to the stakers. When land owners sell fuel, DAO gets 95% of it and farmers get the 5%. Out of that 95%, 100% of it goes to stakers. So literally if you play IZ, you get 5% more than the 100% other players get. If you own land and don't play, well, you don't get anything from fuel and will only get the 100% RevDis and only if you have staked ILV. Owning land in itself doesn't give you Rev. (btw, sorry for the late replay. Was pretty busy yesterday)

soo according to that the only revdis landowners get 5% of fuel sales but stakers still get 100% of total revenue so land owners wont get any rev until open beta for the main game illuvium starts

[lofty cape]

So buy to play and farm, even then with the blueprints the cost is unknown for rare ones

[supple pike]

Yeah I get that 5% goes to landowners and it doesn’t start earning until open beta, but if landowners get 5% of fuel sales and stakers get 95% then I would expect the total market value of land to be approximately 5% of the total ILV market value. Their starting points have it at 60-70% of the ILV market (Edit: that’s just the statistics for sale 1, 5 sales would have it at 300-350% of ILV market). Even if land sells for 50% of the starting point the ROI is way lower for land vs. ILV, unless blueprints make up a significant portion of profits

[analog inlet]

stakers still get 100% is you are a staker and own land ytouget 105%

[bitter glade]

That's a really hard one to answer because of all the things you have added together.

In game purchases all go through the land holders. Basically anything that costs FUEL they get a cut.

What I've found hilarious about land is that in other protocols you get literally nothing. It's just a JPEG with the idea that it is 'rare'.

With Illuvium it effectively gives you chance to 'stake for real', as well as giving you a ticket to play the game (and not just with Tier 0), revenues, and all of that. (Plus all the future additions, megacities where people will be able to build spaceports to access other worlds and such)

Somehow, us giving people way more utility and a much bigger game somehow devalues it in some people's minds. To me it's just bonkers.

[supple pike]

Stakers get 100% of 95%, which is still 95%

[analog inlet]

105%

[analog inlet]

is Arash explanation accurate?

[bitter glade]

Link me to it.

[analog inlet]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[supple pike]

You are misunderstanding the explanation. 100% of what the DAO gets goes to stakers. The DAO gets 95% of fuel earnings, 5% goes to land owners. Thus, 95% of fuel goes to the stakers

[supple pike]

I wasn’t trying to compare land in Illuvium to land in other games, just trying to compare the economics of investing X amount in land vs. ILV. Based on your explanation, it sounds like the primary expected return on land would be sale value, with fuel/blueprint/skin generation as a secondary profit source or a way to play beyond the free aspects.

[potent dock]

This should be right. It does assume that Land Owners are selling 5% of Fuel.

They technically produce 5% of Fuel, if they decided not to sell that Fuel they wouldn't get 5% of Fuel revenue. Can't get revenue for stuff you don't sell.

[analog inlet]

ty

[bitter glade]

I was just commenting on the general DeFi mindset that "value < random bullshit with no value"

[bitter glade]

That is roughly accurate. There are nuances but we don't do nuance it seems 😛

[potent dock]

Paint told me not to!

[misty orbit]

Agreed

I think people are basing it off the fact it gives 5% rewards /revdis which is where they believe the value of the land will be determined by the revenue it generates

Where other lands that don't do anything get determined by some arbitrary speculation of what the market decides its worth

[small star]

@misty orbit

And while people look at the revenues they don't look and rarity.... Total opposite of what they do with 90% of other NFTs .....

With the loss of attention and drop in interest for crypto (for now) land sale won't be as big as it could have been last december, I'm curious to see the strategy decided now...

It'll be interesting if revenues of land sale #1 aren't that big, and then proof of revenues come quickly and will make the land sale #2 as crazy as it can be

[hearty cradle]

please dont

scoriox did a projection on land ROI. he assumed a $3bil/year revenue and he estimated a 19% ROI on T1 land. this is solely based on fuel sale

[bitter glade]

Imagine getting 19% ROI on a house that you can live in.

[potent dock]

What price was assumed for T1 land?

[hearty cradle]

in fairfield?

or kingswood 😆

[hearty cradle]

the original proposed price of 0.5

[bitter glade]

Just burn the house.

[small star]

There won't be 3b revenues for fuel for some times.... But even then with 50M revenues a month i find a ROI of 16% buying with eth at 1.5eth for land t1 .... and 40% using silv2 .....

[hearty cradle]

$3b/year total rev

[small star]

I understood, and no, not realistic in year1/2

[hearty cradle]

the video was quite long so @high sleet can explain it better

[spring jetty]

What would be the ROI for t2 and t3 then

[hearty cradle]

lower, because we dnt know much about BP drop rate

[spring jetty]

And that's annual ROI correct?

[small star]

at 3.5eth / 12eth : 22% / 14% with eth - 57% / 36% with silv2

[hearty cradle]

of course

[spring jetty]

I should invest in some silv2 then

[small star]

That's simulations lot can change or are unsure : land prices, revenues, silv2 prices, eth prices, bonus per tiers, landmark bonus, ...

[hearty cradle]

so if we compare it to staking revdis
say $3b/year tot rev / by 7.2m token? at the current price thats about 80% ROI 😅

am i calculating this right, i havent got my coffee yet

my missus is missing

[spring jetty]

And ILV price during land sale

[hearty cradle]

ILV and ETH is pretty closed together, you can put 5% contigent

[spring jetty]

Looks like both ilv and silv2 price went up since the gameplay video dropped lol

[hearty cradle]

gas was so low just before the leak

[high sleet]

Hmmmm can't answer rn unfortunately hahaha. But feel free to shoot me dms for laters

[hearty cradle]

are you working on the revdis iip?

[misty orbit]

LOL

ILV land in western sydney wen

[bitter glade]

I'd prefer Crimson Waste

cooler and nicer

[hearty cradle]

its not a community without the occasional appearance of crack head

[soft spindle]

I’ll take Penrith thank you

[left musk]

Can you build unnecessary buildings at Ilv Zero? Or is it possible to accumulate less efficiently depending on the position of the buildings?

Can you move all your buildings around like in CoC? Or is it fixed by the point you choosen it to placed

[cyan bone]

Strategic positioning of structures is definitely a consideration as you’ll see increased value long term

[cyan bone]

Yep, you’ll be able shift the positioning of a structure if required!

[left musk]

Ok ty

[nova basalt]

so starting price for land T1 can be something like 1.5 - 2eth?

[cyan bone]

To be confirmed, it's been discussed at that price but not confirmed

[hearty cradle]

im looking at 1.0- 1.5

beyond that is just unprofitable

i rather stake

[thin wolf]

How do you know for sure?

[empty path]

Nobody stopping you 😉

[humble lichen]

wen

[nova basalt]

soon

[hearty cradle]

he edited it

[hearty cradle]

i dont

[cyan bone]

Because the truth is exactly that, it's not confirmed

[cyan dew]

That will be expensive 👀

But consider that it will be a dutch auction, it's alright.

[hearty cradle]

still gonna buy it outright 😂

[south anchor]

FTA lol

[plucky umbra]

It will sell at DA price it won’t dip imo

[cyan dew]

Wdym?

[lusty crag]

T1 - t2 … yes … every higher tier … I don’t think so 😉

[plucky umbra]

They will sell instsntly at v high gas prices, there won’t be time for the initial price to dip

[cyan dew]

So you think that everything will be sold on original prices?

[dawn citrus]

when its the auction?

[plucky umbra]

Pretty sure

[cyan dew]

No date yet

[cosmic spade]

don‘t think so

[empty path]

If they make the starting prices for the dutch auction high enough, this shouldn't be a problem

[cyan dew]

But i thought that the purpose of a dutch auction is a price fall.

[empty path]

Yes

[plucky umbra]

Nah you underestimate the community

[cyan dew]

So?

[plucky umbra]

If it drops I’ll be extremely surprised

[empty path]

So, if they make the starting price high enough. There won't be a problem

[plucky umbra]

Even 3e on cheapest will instant sell at gas war

[empty path]

That's why the first proposal was declined by the community

[cyan dew]

Dude there is no gaswar at a dutch auction..

[plucky umbra]

Huh 🤣🤣 you obviously Havnt been involved in a hype dutch before

I will be cranking 8000 gwei out for ILV land sale and I’m sure many many others too

[cyan dew]

But it is a dutch auction.. no gas war

The team said this already. I mean there will be high gas but not completely

[plucky umbra]

It will be 4000+ for sure

[cyan dew]

That's exaggeration

[plucky umbra]

I expect we hit 10k realistically

[cyan dew]

Dutch auctions are there to avoid gas wars

[hearty cradle]

doesnt mean it wont happen

[plucky umbra]

Dutch auction are there for the team to make money lol

[cyan dew]

🤔

[plucky umbra]

Prepare to pay 10k+ gas or you will be disappointed

[cyan dew]

Please make some research about dutch auctions. They are here to avoid any type of gas war.

[plucky umbra]

And pray it is not just bots Who get them

[empty path]

It doesn't make the team any money, all profits go back to the stakers

[plucky umbra]

Dude…. I’m trying to help you, I have participated in many Dutch auctions before, and at these prices, it’s not dropping it price, there will be a huge gas war

[cyan dew]

It always drops mate

[plucky umbra]

If it drops even 1 tick in price for teir 1 land at 0.5-1.5 then I will send you 1 eth for free

[cyan dew]

All lands will be not sold on one time period. Every hour there are waves you know?

[plucky umbra]

I know….

[cyan dew]

That's my point

[empty path]

You are not the only one who joined Dutch Auctions 😉

[plucky umbra]

100k people for 200 items a time, what do you expect

[empty path]

That's why the community declined these starting prices
Don't even know why we are having this discussion 😄

[cyan dew]

But how many of these 100k can afford land?

[plucky umbra]

There will be Atleast 2k whales Tryna to buy as many as possible

[cyan dew]

There are so many factors

[plucky umbra]

Either way, prepare gas for 10k if you want to buy or you will be disappointed

[cyan dew]

I have for example 25.3 SILV

[plucky umbra]

And need a bunch of eth for gas too

[cyan dew]

How much eth should I cover up?

[plucky umbra]

10k gwei per nft imo

hopefully it is less but its my honest worst case prediction...

[empty path]

Are you looking at the starting prices of the first proposal or different ones?

[cyan dew]

And how much is 10k approximately?

[plucky umbra]

even at the higher estimates i dont think demand changes thatmuch

[empty path]

It's not gonna be 10k

[cyan dew]

I think so too

[plucky umbra]

if you want to get through quick enough it will be

[cyan dew]

We should ask the team about the gas war

[empty path]

It's a 3 day long Dutch Auction

[cyan dew]

That's my point. It can't be always the same price. All dutch auctions I have seen have been go lower over the time.

[empty path]

Some of them are instant sell out but that is when starting price is too low. I'm confident that won't happen here

[cyan dew]

Yeah because bots can't have so much balance in my opinion

[placid musk]

It all depends on what the starting prices are, people will buy at the price they are confortable with. If multiple wales think the starting price is good enough, there will be a gas war at that moment.

[cyan dew]

Only a few but still less bots.

[plucky umbra]

I will buy at the top of all of these estimates

[cyan dew]

A little bit all time high xD

[placid musk]

You sir must be rich 🐳

[left musk]

Buy high sell low

[grizzled remnant]

So should we let only the gamers to buy it. and not whales ?...

[empty path]

Tbh if they all sell out at those prices, I don't even care I'm not getting any. Revdis gonna be fun

[cyan dew]

😂

[placid musk]

amen

[plucky umbra]

well the bots will get it tbh

[grizzled remnant]

bots are from whales. The one with money will have more, as always, sad system

[cyan dew]

Its never smart to buy all time high

[plucky umbra]

Ye ofc

[spring jetty]

Maybe they should limit how many one person can buy then

[plucky umbra]

A lot of people will be burnt on gas unfortunately but quite honestly it is the truth

[plucky umbra]

Bots are multi wallet fyi e.g 100 wallets all tx at once at preset gas

[soft spindle]

If they all sell at the top then bloody brilliant…. I’ll take my redivs thank you very much

[spring jetty]

Well, then we all screwed

Gg sayonara

[plucky umbra]

Quite honestly yeah, I expect a sILV dump when people realise it’s going to be impossible for them to buy

[soft spindle]

And then I’ll take my redivs and buy a land for cheaper on the second market

[cyan dew]

But many people are looking only for tier 1

[spring jetty]

I'm hoping for t3 😂

[cyan dew]

What about tier 2,3,4

[plucky umbra]

Bots looking for all imo

[cyan dew]

Not every bot have so much balance you know

[grizzled remnant]

so let's buy a lot of ILV for revdis, give me your money :p

[spring jetty]

Maybe we should just beg all the millionaire in this discord to have mercy on us 😂

[cyan dew]

I am looking for 2 Tier 2

[left musk]

For 24 silv?

[cyan dew]

I mean its possible if the price will dump

[soft spindle]

Personally I’m not worried. If all the land is bought by bots then it will just be a Dutch auction on the secondary market anyway

[spring jetty]

I mean one person won't be able to manage all these lands, they have to let some go anyways. It's not worth it

[lusty crag]

Nahh way to much

[supple pike]

Is there anywhere that has been confirmed? Because that will be a ton of money back to stakers. Possibly even as much as is staked

[nova basalt]

gas wars is coming.. lands for whales and big guilds.. not for us)

[spring jetty]

Another factor is that if the price is too high, it will take longer to make its worth back

whales might be rich but their money didn't grow from trees. If anything they care about profits more than anyone

[nova basalt]

one land in one hands! KYC verification accounts needed)

[plucky umbra]

ye KYC would be good imo

[grizzled remnant]

That could be good for a part of the lands, to let to the community to get it, and another part to let the gas war haha

Or if there are 20k people KYC to get it it's like better,

[tawny wasp]

I have no problems with this man's hype. it's like the opposite of FUD. Maybe he's right maybe, he's not. I will wait for the bottom like a degen and I WILL pay nasty gas prices because that is how I do dutch auctions lol

[grizzled remnant]

And about put fixed price at 100% price, only available 1 per KYC and the rest go on Dutch, at higher start price, or not, and let gas pay more for the whales for more invest.

[supple pike]

What’s KYC?

[hearty cradle]

korean yried chicken

yumyum

[hexed abyss]

go to Binance if you want KYC... 🤪

[woeful narwhal]

It's written in whitepaper. Any form of revenue will be distribute to stakers. Which means all of it

[analog inlet]

ILV core or SLP stakers who stake for min 1 month

Think of it this way every time the DA0 makes $1 for ANY source - games , movies , tv shows , merch , books etc etc it goes back to the ILV staker in the for of 100% Revdis for the

ENTIER life of the DAO

example the DAO makes 10 million revenue 10 million goes back to the stakers

[supple pike]

Ok, I thought that RevDis only started when the game went live, but I guess it makes sense that all money goes to the DAO, even before the game goes live

[analog inlet]

that applys only for #🎮〕illuvium-zero land owners becaue the only get revenue from feul sales and no fuel will be sold till open beta

[analog inlet]

know your cutomer where the the site wants you to prove who you are by sending them your goov id address an other personal info

[timber sapphire]

Can you already obtain feul before it? And sell when beta is live?

[analog inlet]

no you can't. no official date the are hoping for q2 open beta live

[timber sapphire]

Ah oke thx

[hearty cradle]

including meet and greet tickets?

[analog inlet]

any revenue from any source

[spring spear]

Wen Landsale

[analog inlet]

no official date watch #📣〕announcements

[nova basalt]

soon..

[wide robin]

Can't wait for Illuvium Insider this Friday to hear some alpha on Illuvium Zero from Kieran himself! 🔥

[uneven elbow]

How are people feeling about land? I’m 50/50 whether to buy t2 or not buy anything and have more tokens for revdis. Thoughts anyone? Settle my mind 😂

[jagged brook]

I’d say depends on what prices land can fall to. It may be worth it to pick up a piece of land at a good price.

[grizzled remnant]

noway to get blueprints and discover things without land game, at least a T1 is enough for me, but i would like to have a foot in.

[lofty bramble]

I'll only be picking up land if its below 1ETH. I'd like to play the game but if it's over I think it's too much to sacrifice the potential ROI of just buying ILV for revdis instead

[hearty cradle]

just wait for the 2nd day or 3rd

[lofty bramble]

Yeap. I'll just wait and see what they're all going for before making a decision

[hearty cradle]

0.5 eth was an ideal price

[lofty bramble]

I agree with having a much higher price to start from even if it makes it unaffordable for me. People willing to pay the most should get the lands and good for revdis.

[iron adder]

wen zero 🤣

[reef echo]

I would have figured less people would be on the fence about buying land here since this is the ILV Zero channel. I for sure am getting some land, hoping for a T3 but I will settle for a T2 or two. I am also looking forward to rev-dis from staking , the illuvatars and most of all playing the game. Seems like we are getting close, I would love to see V2 out this week like Kieran said. If that happens could be a few weeks from now for land sale

[wraith jungle]

Hey, where can I find information on the different land tiers

[hearty cradle]

yea i was so excited about land, but now im reconsidering

staking ROI looks more certain

[reef echo]

Yeah, if you have to choose one, I think you are right.

[umbral badge]

@amber atlas hey mate.
just wondering if Illuvium Zero will be useable with Multisig wallets, and smartcontracts like gnosis-safe

[left musk]

Are there any secure features to not get your land get hacked?

[hearty cradle]

is there other ways to get bp ?

[amber atlas]

short term, if you want to login with your wallet, probably not, but you can also sign-in with an Illuvium username based account, and then do the blockchain actions like selling fuel on the web

(you would need to attach your wallet in the web, so it also depends on what is supported by the web mechanisms)

[cyan bone]

Quick clip, I'm still early-mid game and busy farming Fuel 👨‍🌾

The team are implementing a bunch of new SFX and Art Assets this week and next, update to follow!

Attribution:
Track: Inner Light

[hearty cradle]

incoming zerg

did i see RGB fans?

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-fan-wall-corsair-fans-ll-rgb-fans-corsair-fan-wall-corsair-rgb-gif-13435146

wheres the turrets?

ok so we need to do storage management, means we do have to sell them on the market

i was planning to stockpile them 😆

[cyan bone]

I'm working on adding Storage Structures, my structures are between Level 1 - 3 🙂

[hearty cradle]

why cant we have unlimited storage

[cyan bone]

You can do, I've been working on expanding through all of the Tech Tree vs Building Storage Structures

[amber atlas]

no you can't

[hearty cradle]

👀

[amber atlas]

you can build more storage, but there is a finite amount of space

of course for Fuel you can sell it to the DAO (then buy and store on wallet)

so its unlimited in a way

[hearty cradle]

im gonna initiate ilv OPEC

i was thinking more like storing it and sell it when the price is +25%

is it possible to transfer resources to other lands in the same wallet?

[amber atlas]

we want to avoid long term hoarding, you can certainly build a lot of storage, but at some point you have to sell

[amber atlas]

right now no, but for beta it should be doable from Quantum Transducer (for a small fee)

[hearty cradle]

noice

[amber atlas]

one of the benefits of megacities would be that you don't have the fee

everything is all working together

[hearty cradle]

this is looking good, plenty of space for future updates

hw many levels a building has?

[amber atlas]

3 right now to align with 3 stages of Illuvials, but I expect that will be expanded to allow for more growth

[umbral badge]

I like the bubble icon above each building to indicate it is doing a task.
this combined with the animated action of the building working helps to identify which of the buildings are active or not

[hearty cradle]

the bubble is resources ready to be claimed?

[amber atlas]

yes, or any complete activity

[hearty cradle]

like in CoC

[umbral badge]

There is building off to the right below the Hydrogen tracker
it appears to show the building is working, but has no bubble above it

[amber atlas]

not all buildings animate when working

some animate always

some never animate

[hearty cradle]

do we get a refund from demolishing a building?

[umbral badge]

and so the ones that may animate always, could be providing a Passive boost?

[amber atlas]

or just look cool 😉

[umbral badge]

how much sILV will it cost me to change the color scheme of the Building highlights?
so I can change all that Purple to a nice Lime Green

[hearty cradle]

so we should be able to maxed out the primary buildings in a month or so?

[amber atlas]

don't take these values as final balance, Khaled is working on balance now

[hearty cradle]

we are getting skins?

[umbral badge]

if we are not... then we will just have to IIP it!

[amber atlas]

its not in scope right now, but it could be cool

[hearty cradle]

beach themed skins, with dancers !

[amber atlas]

we've definitely talked about individual skinned buildings

[umbral badge]

might be a bit Lore breaking... but would be cool!

I like the idea of getting some Protoss skins in there!!

[hearty cradle]

or trump tower skins

[umbral badge]

I love the music

[amber atlas]

the more you want to break lore the more you need to pay to make Grant and Aaron okay with it 😉

[potent dock]

Political skins, what a great idea xD

[hearty cradle]

oh yea i like some pylons

[amber atlas]

unfortunately that is not our music, Al put in a royalty free placeholder

[hearty cradle]

revdis guaranteed

[umbral badge]

ohhhhh, it was just so comforting, I felt like I should be playing it under a waterfall or something

[amber atlas]

yeah its a nice fit

the tracks we do have are awesome though

[hearty cradle]

i dnt care about fuel, i wan skins

[amber atlas]

in any case, I have to go, operating on one hand as I have managed to get gout in my wrist

pain is getting bad so need to take a break

[umbral badge]

ohhh that brings up a great question.
@amber atlas can we spend FUEL to speed up actions?

or it needs to be IAP only?

[olive frigate]

Have we heard any updates on the land sale?

[hearty cradle]

A round of applause for IZ team

[umbral badge]

one handed eh... I agree that the game is sexy... but not THAT sexy (well at least not yet)

[amber atlas]

there's some cool news on the landsale, but I don't think we are quite ready to break it yet

[umbral badge]

...just our hearts with this teaser comment...

[amber atlas]

hah, sorry that was evil

[hearty cradle]

i get them all the time, esp after steak dinner

[umbral badge]

the benefit of being too poor to afford meat, cos all my moneyz in sILV waiting for that sweet sweet land!

[amber atlas]

lol

anyway I really do need to go, enjoy the teaser, thanks @cyan bone

[umbral badge]

thanks Johnny, and thanks Nick!!

it made my afternoon!

[umbral badge]

@spare jay IZ gameplay leak

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[spare jay]

Lookin clean. Thanks for the ping 🍻

[hearty cradle]

spam steak is affordable and nutritious

[umbral badge]

Isn't that even worse for Gout?
The more processed the more it hurts?

and I was only joking about not being able to afford meat.
I have like 30 chickens and a lake full of Ducks, Eels, Fish and Turtles, so if it ever got bad...
I'm going Hunting!

[abstract knot]

I don't know if it's been asked before but how often do we need to collect our ressources?

[hearty cradle]

yea everything nice cause gout. for me it's sugar and organs

lol, you are scaring the ducks!

[hearty cradle]

not so often apparently

yea i think our CCs will break them down
@spare jay @high sleet @craggy shoal

[spare jay]

Ill be a while. Wont be back in the office for about 12 hours

[blazing bridge]

whats the latest new for when the land sale is gonna take place? Any changes to expected price?

[thin wolf]

For some reason i always thought that in order to play IZ was to own land?
With the closed beta is there only a set amount of people to be let in?

[umbral badge]

Illuvium Zero will have a T0 version.
which allows everyone to play like they would a normal mobile game from the AppStore.

The T1-T5 lands (which will cost money to buy in the Landsale or later from secondary markets), provide the same gameplay, but they are able to generate assets that can be sold as Tokens or NFT's.

[soft spindle]

This is great to hear. Apart from building structures what other gameplay elements will exist?

[umbral badge]

hmmm well the core gameplay is a citybuilding game.

but there is also the Illuvial Scanning mechanism to try and gather data on different Illuvials, which in the Free version will allow you to display them as Holographic statues in your city.
in the Paid Land version, the Illuvials you scan will allow you to research and Mint Blueprints to be able to craft Skins to be used in the main Illuvium game (and sell these)

[thin wolf]

Yeah i know that,i thought when landsale ends after V2 is done anyone who has land could start playing IZ,not that there would be a closed Beta.

[hearty cradle]

if im not mistaken, you can play IZ prior to the main game OB, but the progress will prob get a roll back and you wont produce fuel

[high sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-bat-signal-gif-18162557

Honoured. I was basically done for the day and now I have been summoned. May be able to get something out but it will likely be simple

[hearty cradle]

lol yea let me do the sweet degen

[high sleet]

Before I craft something. What would you be interested to hear?

[hearty cradle]

the math? 😆

[high sleet]

Lol what maths from the leak??

[hearty cradle]

i think there are a few things that can be discussed here

like storage management
extraction duration

[high sleet]

Ah yeah thats the confusing thing about the fuel. The tap controls it. So fuel numbers are ultimately irrelevant

Whats the 26 in the bottom right and do we know how efficiency works?? My minds in satisfactory mode

[hearty cradle]

upgrades, there are 3 levels of upgrades

you prob can estimate how much resources are needed, and how long it will take to gather them

[high sleet]

But it looks like a slider hmmmmm. So it allows you to distribute efficiency across your city?

[hearty cradle]

yea that efficiency slider bugs me

[high sleet]

Or it is a flat upgrade across your cities buildings? Then having efficiency written there makes no sense.

I am a UI designer so these sorts of questions are my day to day

[hearty cradle]

you missed johnnyA

[high sleet]

If I scroll up is a lot of this info here??

[hearty cradle]

i managed to ask a few for ya

[high sleet]

Alright I'll check it out. I'm uploading like 4 things to my merch store rn rip

[hearty cradle]

nice, will the proceeds go to revdis?

[high sleet]

Unfortunately not. They are not official illuvium products, they are Scoriox products

lets say in theory my channel becomes large and my merch store is doing well. I'd be open to having any and all discussions with Illuvium

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-not-bad-not-too-shabby-alright-nice-gif-4295879

[high sleet]

Omg should I throw my logo on a swimsuit. And buy it for my gf, how funny would that be

[hearty cradle]

cool cosplay

lol i dig the wen land shirt

[high sleet]

ive got a cool series I am uploading

[hearty cradle]

lol yea your logo, on a swimsuit

[abstract knot]

Thanks

[fathom ridge]

Hey guys I know the price of Land is finna change but what was the previous number? I’m just gonna 2.5x it to know roughly how much I should try plan for

[high sleet]

There he is. Where ya been

[empty path]

I never left?

[fathom ridge]

This finna sound mad ignorant but those are the proposed starting prices right?

[empty path]

0.5 for Tier one was original proposal and got declined

[stoic vine]

wen land

[soft spindle]

Thanks! I’m very keen to make this my main mobile game (I’m one of those guys that has spent more money on micro transactions than I care to admit), so the gameplay is pretty important to me. I just want to have an enjoyable experience, play an adventure mode, level up, play guild wars etc. all while spending in game resources to buff my land, buy premium stuff, and make it look pretty. If my farming can make my experience a net positive, then I’m winning! But kinda was hoping for a deep experience that will get me hooked for 4-5 hours per day

[umbral badge]

Initially it won't be that deep.
But I think after 12-18 months it will be.

I think theybwere throwing around ideas like an Opt in city vs city type guild war setup.

So Initially, you are looking 2 hours a day of gameplay -idle clicker style.

But Illuvium Zero will be the centrepoint of all future games. So I expect they will keep expanding its functionality and depth

[soft spindle]

This is pretty darn exciting! Thanks mate. The Illuvium team is already one of the best. I’m happy to put my faith into their dev team.

And as far as land goes, If I can get lucky enough to nab a T4 that’s what I’ll do. T3 at the worst! Let’s go!

[next hamlet]

so 15 january obviously didnt work out for land sale. do we have any aproximate idea when we could expect il zero land sale?

[timber sapphire]

No

[marsh sage]

You should do that on the top plus a mash-up of your face plus a Scoriox face on the bottom 🔥

[high sleet]

hahahahah

[pure mason]

At this point they are just letting whales buy silv2. We are all going to be fighting an up hill battle

[empty path]

Where is this coming from?

[hearty cradle]

any1 can buy silv2

[pure mason]

The fact that they haven’t done the land sale and there is a pool where whales are buying up silv2……. The land sale should have been done right after silv2 came out

[empty path]

There has always been an pool, this doesn't change anything

[pure mason]

For silv2?? That just came out

[hearty cradle]

its been a month?

[empty path]

Before it was sILV and there was also an pool.
And it doesn't even matter, let them spend it, less circulation supply later

[humble lichen]

meh meh meh whales meh meh cry cry

[empty path]

Please stay respectful

[pure mason]

You fail to see the point, if we would have had the land sale right away the we would have less competition on buying land. The longer this goes on, the longer they are able to stock pile silv2 tokens

[humble lichen]

Bit annoying all this whale talk all the time, blaming everything on whales wth

[empty path]

You fail to see the point. Land sale was supposed to be 3 months ago, whales have been stocking up sILV before. And again: let them spend it, it will benefit us all in the long run

[pure mason]

Yes! It should have been sold 3 months ago! I totally agree with that!

[empty path]

Stuff happened and the team took care of it, don't be so grumpy

[pure mason]

A lot of money was being held hostage. I am not the only one “grumpy” about it

[empty path]

I rather have my money "held hostage" with value instead of everything going to 0. There is not even a game launched, no point in selling this any time soon, you'll miss on all the real gains.

[pure mason]

I rather not have money being held hostage at all

[hearty cradle]

dude just export the transaction history of the silv2 pool, you will there wasnt much volume

[empty path]

Nobody wants bugs 😄 Shit happens in life and you deal with it 🙂

[pure mason]

Could have all been avoid like you said. The land sale should have happened 3 months ago before the bugs happened

[empty path]

Obviously that wasn't possible

[hearty cradle]

so i guess we only get 1 sunny day

[empty path]

Told you

[potent dock]

The implications of 3 additional months of seed/team lockup are insanely positive if you're staked. I haven't done the maths yet, but that's roughly another 300k or 400k tokens that current stakers will receive that seed/team tokens won't be eligible for.

In crypto, this kind of thing is a unicorn. If you regret being locked and having the team do things right, take your tokens and go, but you're not finding greener grass than this imo.

[spring jetty]

and Im here wishing I discovered Iluvium 6 months ago

[grizzled remnant]

does it mean 400k less token to be get from the new that came after the stack V1 ? is that benefit for all ?

[potent dock]

That's kind of hard to understand.

It means there's in the realm of 300k tokens that people who are staked for the next 3 months will be getting via YF rewards that will NOT be touched by seed/team. Only staked tokens are eligible for YF rewards, so if those tokens are not unlocking yet, the team/seed can't get any of them.

[little moon]

Guys, why on opensea there s only 21 items?

I would take a genesis promo , in view of the release of the game

[analog inlet]

FYI: thhis is the #🎮〕illuvium-zero channel which is separate from the main game illuvium

everything you see on #835823795880460288 is cosmetic only no utility
there is no minting an no way to prepare
All illuvials must be found in game and will never be sold by the DAO itself

[little moon]

Ok thanks so much, illuvium zero is about the land of the game?

[analog inlet]

yes

[crisp river]

Hello everybody, a quick question… will illuvium zero be on mobile?

[little moon]

Yes

[forest cypress]

What land biome do we think is best? Or is there an advantage?

I understand blueprints are linked to the land biome. Is that correct?

[simple juniper]

You are more likely to find fire blueprints in a fire biome, However not guaranteed

[supple pike]

If anyone DM’d you about a genesis promo, it’s a scam. That’s a common one that’s been going around

[dim cave]

What give you Landmark? 🤔

[forest cypress]

Gotcha thanks. Do we know if the auction will show what biomes you're buying or random on mint?

[plucky venture]

T3 and T4 lands get landmarks.

[little moon]

Thanks

[simple juniper]

A T3 or a T4 a landmark gives you a boost to that certain material or gas you get

[little moon]

Where i can see the land market?

[simple juniper]

It will show you what biome however it will not show you what material and gas extraction sites are on it

[plucky venture]

Wen the rest of us do. 🙂

[dim cave]

thank for answer 🙂

[supple pike]

There is a pinned info graphic on this channel with the most recent information, but in reality no one knows exact pricing yet

[little moon]

Ok thanks

[little moon]

It seems to rely on the same principle that IPOs & ICOs - “Don’t show revenue.” When you have some kind of revenue projection you can calculate land worth vs when you don’t have a use and you can attach whatever future ludicrous dream you want to it.

[supple pike]

How can you (accurately) project revenue for a game that operates on a NFT-micro transaction business model? There are YT videos on people calculating ROI based on various revenue numbers, but the revenue is all speculation. You can compare to Axie or other market leaders but that’ll depend on how successful the game is

[hearty cradle]

rn land ROI is not as straight forward as staking yield

and it prob wont because one part of the income is from bp

[potent dock]

Almost any product/service that is trying to get valuation before they hit market relies on comparison with existing products/services.

The one constant in any revenue projection is that almost everything depends on player numbers. It's hard to predict player numbers for a crypto game, one of the only examples we have that is a comparable product is Axie, and even that is a stretch, since the model Axie uses is substantially different than ours.

So I agree with you, trying to do revenue projections when you're the first game operating with a novel model is incredibly difficult. That's why most calculations people have done include a wide range of success cases and total users. Until there's hard data, everything is gonna be speculative to some degree.

[supple pike]

Agreed, my point was just to show @little moon that any attempt by the dev team to do a revenue prediction would be flawed and unreliable. Scoriox has a good ROI video for land worth. It estimated a higher revenue than I would expect for a while, but it’s easy to tailor the math to whatever people’s personal predictions are.

[potent dock]

It's an ROI video for sure. When you have margins for error on enough metrics, your final value basically means nothing though. We have potential variance and unknowns in land prices, player numbers, Fuel usage (including the use of sILV for purchases), in-game prices, etc.

I don't mean this as an attack on Scoriox, his analysis is reasonable, but I don't personally put much stock into projections, and won't until we have more data. I agree that the dev team doing a revenue prediction would be pretty futile.

[forest cypress]

Right. Thanks dude

[slate gale]

how do I download it

[little moon]

I agree with you that you can't make any real predictions. But on a scale you still have more metrics to make a prediction about Illuvium land then you have about a land that has 0 utility.

[supple pike]

It’s not out right now, anyone who says it is or sends you links to download is scamming you

[bitter glade]

Yeah, the problem is that it isn't just that one revenue.

[slate gale]

ok

[grim sky]

@dusty cobalt @ivory bough

[torpid oriole]

Hi guys, any news on land sale ?

[timber dock]

So guys when is the land sale going to start it was suppose to go ahead in Januaryan we are currently nearly in April whats the latest new. Is the team waiting for eth to jump in price. Nft aint selling on opensea aswell looks like we are just holding still an not being productive these days !!!

[lofty cape]

Land sale was originally November lol

[lusty crag]

True …

[frosty lagoon]

is there an updated whitepaper?

[potent dock]

There isn't, the one in #🔗〕helpful-links is it. Happy to answer any questions though if you're wondering about something specific.

[sweet junco]

anyone make a liquidity pool for silv2

[analog inlet]

buying /sellimg of silv-2 is not supported by the DAO you need DYOR to find any information about unofficial pools and unofficial value graphs

[sweet junco]

this is me doing research 😦 i feel like if anyone has any information it would be here

[hearty cradle]

#💰〕token
and yes on uni

[timid basin]

wen

[simple juniper]

precisely

[empty path]

Soon ser

[hearty cradle]

can we get an iip on land price pweaase\

[analog inlet]

they are waiting till they have an offical date AFAIK

[fair temple]

Really liking the teaser! But two things:

1. Could this teaser be shared more officially? Either youtube / character leaks? It would only get burrowed in this channel.
2. Could the timers to mine gas be reduced by 2-5 minutes? I really hate having a timer of 12 hours as you cant consistently hit the same time then.

[amber atlas]

1. this is just a leak for the die hards, there will be a proper video trailer at some time in the not too distant future
2. I hear you, but its up to Khaled who will be taking over IZ game design and balancing
   (will mention it to him)

maybe tasks over an hour always finish 1 minute earlier or something

[hearty cradle]

i prefer an 8 hour cycle

[tawny wasp]

I like it being for the die hards! 👍 I would also vote for shorter timers, but not less than 8hours. This will reward those who play more and not too short where we have to wake up in the middle of the night to collect resources.

[hearty cradle]

you still need to wake up to pee anyway

[slow cedar]

If there's a timer of 12 hours - would it be much different design wise to have 4 hour charges which each are 1/3rd of current claim, but you can store up to 3 charges - then when you claim some it continues working and has 0/3 claimed?

That way you could claim after 4/8/12 hours and keep optimal uptime

[plucky umbra]

I thought staking rewards come this week lol? It’s Friday & no announcement

[slow cedar]

#🥩〕staking for that

[slow cedar]

It would also add more player agency without impacting supply, as players could log on to claim in an 8 hour window instead of a few mi utes window

[soft spindle]

I want to request a feature where we train soldiers and build defences against random pve attacks that can destroy our buildings

[viscid solar]

Kieran has stated on Polemos interview with @ivory bough that in future game updates (perhaps years down the road) Guilds will be able to raid over guilds and (capture) their assets

[ivory bough]

Oh hey Lori. Happy to see you 🙂

[timber sapphire]

Soooo... Its gonna be clash of clans😂

Clash of guilds*

[hearty cradle]

pylons?

clash of whales

[empty path]

Oh hello

[olive bobcat]

When is the first land sale?

[empty path]

No date announced yet.

[olive bobcat]

Okay, thanks!

[soft spindle]

Sounds fun! Let’s gooooooo

[soft spindle]

Lol I guess so yeah…. I just want it to be more interactive than a FarmVille clone

[viscid solar]

Thank you 🙏🏻 took a few weeks off, focusing on our guild. Just visiting for the awesome Polemos NFT contest and sayin hi 😌

[fathom ridge]

Where is this interview?

[viscid solar]

Near the end https://youtu.be/Hwwf-QHrpTc

Fabulous interview btw

[fathom ridge]

That’s the old interview right? Am I tripping or wasn’t there another interview scheduled like last week?

I could’ve sworn there was another one with Polemos in the works

[viscid solar]

It’s tonight actually

[fathom ridge]

Oh shit! So Polemos AND Illuvium insider?

Blessings for us all!

[ivory bough]

I had one interview with Mat yeah. The insider is different.

[spring jetty]

@viscid solaris there a scheduled time? I need to set a clock for it lol

[fathom ridge]

So nothing with Keiran?

[viscid solar]

I’m still trying to ping AWALL and find out. He didn’t post a YouTube reminder link yet

[ivory bough]

No Kieran was too busy. So I did one with Volkin and Mat instead.

[viscid solar]

Just Illuvium tonight with Andrew , im excited! ✨😁✨

[fathom ridge]

Oh ok cool cool! I’ll check it out!

[torpid geode]

yes, why is this so taboo, there is one on uniswap

[analog inlet]

**sILV-2 FYI -buying silv-2 has nothing to do with the DAO
**
the sILV-2 token can be officially used within the illuvium ecosystem no mater how its obtained

You need DYOR to find any information about unofficial pools and unofficial value graphs

• sILV -2 is NOT an official investment and it was never intended to be traded or speculated.
• the only OFFICAL way to get SILV v2 is though staking rewards .
• Illuvium DAO will NOT be making an official pool for sILV-2.
• to find a unofficial sILV -2 pool exists DYOR to find it
• the official sILV-2 contract can be found in #🔗〕helpful-links

FYI: Trading sILV -2 will

• be unofficial
• not be supported by the DAO
• be at your own risk
• have inherent risk

[hearty cradle]

not again

[little moon]

Theres nothing taboo about it. Many people have used the pool on uniswap including team members. The main risk is that liquidity is provided by the community, not the team, so it could be removed at any time and it would become difficult to trade.

[harsh dew]

Will ILZ be playable in browser/ pc ?

[reef echo]

yes

[tired pumice]

mobile, PC, and hopefully browser.

[harsh dew]

In case you guys miss!
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[cyan dew]

staking v2 will be announced today right?

[little moon]

Thats the word around town, 'today' can be subjective though depending on your timezone.

[cyan dew]

I live in Germany so it will be a little bit later

[analog inlet]

there is still a bit to wait before v2 is live. first there needs to be an

1. upgrade announcement #📣〕announcements ( unknown wen)
2. then waiting period 1 week for upgrade
3. v2 will be live ,<---- this is where you will be able to claim, stake , withdraw etc etc

if you unstake /withdraw any amount before live you forfeit anything you would have received during the pause

here is some more info on staking V2

[harsh dew]

Look's like Carbon will be use to activated Extraction at a cost of 100 Carbon for 10 HYPERION for 12h.

[jagged brook]

What is carbon? How do I not know these things? 😰

[harsh dew]

Don't worry Infoluvial will have a website that explain everything.
For exemple: There are 6 resources called 3 are called Elements and 3 Fuels.
Carbon is the main building material of each building.

Elements: Hydrogen, Carbon, Silicon
Fuels: Crypton, Hyperion, Solon Only available for people who own lands.

[amber atlas]

these are not the final numbers, Khaled one of our game designers is working on the final numbers

[lofty bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-i-appreciate-you-pathtosuccess-appreciate-gif-5440528

[little moon]

Are we looking for Landsale to be this month ? Or much later ?

[muted moth]

I would expect April personally, but no date yet

[harsh dew]

From ---> Illuvium Economy Deep Dive (w/ Kieran Warwick) | Tokenomics of ILV & sILV2 -- Illuvium Insider

[little moon]

Thanks, hopefully it be April

[pure mason]

Much later

[viral star]

So it's confirmed that we still can use sILV2 for the land sale and Illuvatars?

[mystic crater]

who is broke but keep saving for a land ? week by week 🙂

[bitter glade]

Me.

[analog inlet]

yes

[viral star]

ty ser

[mystic crater]

so 0 will be desktop and mobile app at the same moment?

[spring jetty]

It's hard when I keep wondering if I have enough money to buy the land I want

[viral star]

is it confirmed that the sILV2 will be priced like ILV at the time of the sale?

[analog inlet]

doesn't matter what time it is sILV-2 always = <market price> ILV right now all sILV-2 everywhere have an official value of $569.07 within the illuvium ecosystem

[viral star]

niice

[viscid solar]

Is this a T5?

[viscid solar]

So do fuels have a sort of half life ?

[viscid solar]

Any Rust/worn effect and/or need for repairs ?

[viscid solar]

We want to make money, not claim bankruptcy 😂

[hearty cradle]

sold my apartment now im homeless, but i will have a digital land, which is nice i guess

[viscid solar]

Just think if T0 players could buy skins etc IAP and that added Rev Dis 🤑

[hearty cradle]

lol you went back that far. You shouldve seen my pickling list in general

[viscid solar]

Can you make a Batman bat signal with a Scoriox logo? ✨

[viscid solar]

Fraggy is a she

[viscid solar]

I been out for 3 weeks, lots of catching up. I feel at at least past 3 days is most relevant 💁🏼‍♀️

[spring jetty]

I admire you for having the patience to read so far back

[hearty cradle]

yea im running the show in your absent

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-dance-funny-dance-michael-scott-dance-danse-marrante-debile-gif-21385827

[empty path]

Who are you

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-your-father-darth-vader-gif-13250196

[viscid solar]

Well it’s not arduous like school work assignments lol, I’m excited and motivated to learn what I missed. But I really need to keep the practice of focusing on my guild, I spent too much time here in the past as much as I love it and everyone

[hearty cradle]

jokes aside. Land price IIP is underway

so bois and gurls pull down your pants, lets dip in the "unofficial" pool

[spring jetty]

can wait to burn my money to buy land

[spring jetty]

shhh, people gonna hear you

[hearty cradle]

im swimming in sILV2

[spring jetty]

anyways I don't think we are allowed to talk about that lol

[hearty cradle]

what why?

solar storm is sleeping so we r good. Ssshh dnt wake him up

[high sleet]

Thatd be a funny gif hahaha

[fathom ridge]

is this confirmed?

[hearty cradle]

depends. Are you with the press? 🤨

[viscid solar]

I think it’s illegal somewhere if @lofty cape isn’t informed on land updates FIRST 💁🏼‍♀️

[cyan dew]

When is staking v2 and landsale?

[winter summit]

any TLDR on landsale?

[humble lichen]

the discord chat isn't chyna, relax

or twitter for that matter

[fathom ridge]

soon

[slow lily]

How many minutes a day do I have to play Illuvium zero to level up as quickly as possible?

[hearty cradle]

depends on how much are you are willing to pay for speed ups

[signal raptor]

So, if i understand well, we will be able to buy the same things IG with 1 ILV and 1 Silv2 right ? Will it be the same ratio for lands sale ? Like for example T1 goes for the price of 2 ILV, we'll be able to buy the same T1 for 2 Silv2 ?

[hearty cradle]

yes