🎮〕illuvium-zero

[shrewd ocean]

I've heard the dutch auction will lower in price over time - are they going to be doing this for each land plot, or will it be for the group of L1, L2, L3 plots etc & then go down for all of them over time

[ivory vine]

The exact details for the auction have not been disclosed yet 🙂

[shrewd ocean]

I've tried to wrap my mind around the resources & still having a hard time. For some reason I was thinking eth would be required to create shards, & then that eth goes into vault, buys back ILV -> returned to stakers

[weary swan]

i doubt theyll do land sale in slv

its most likely eth

[shrewd ocean]

Now from what I understand resources will also be required to create shards & bought / sold between players? I also heard mentioned once that you could find Illuvials on your land, but from what I understand on the videos of watched from the creators - I've never been able to find that referenced again

[ivory vine]

sILV or ETH for the land sale have been confirmed a while ago within the approval of the proposal for IZ 🙂

[weary swan]

so we can use either?

[ivory vine]

Illuvium Zero will only give you the option to find Blueprints, not actual Illuvials. Those are only to be captured in the main game.

[ivory vine]

This is what it says, yes: https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/QmNab3vqQX3q2yTNSo1rwK5PzPgE8QxRnEA13jKz8gWQu9

[shrewd ocean]

ah yeah I was just reading the pinned PDF

So like a map to them. Man I like the concepts in this game, but I hope scope creep doesn't kill it.

Is there anywhere to read on blueprints?

I see the scanner showing Illuvials - but will blueprints have a map to them so we can go find them in their specific location?

[thorny crater]

Won’t game this lol. This is the mini game. The main game not sure how that will work yet

[shrewd ocean]

Yeah - I know the mini game is kinda integrated but it's own separate thing. I'm trying to figure out what the mini game land is used for. From what I can tell based on interviews so far - the resources will partially be used to cure shards (I think*?) as well as apparently scan for illuvials with blueprints (again - I think?)

Scanning is a key part of the Illuvium Zero gameplay experience, it is a required step in order to do Research to discover a Blueprint. The basic idea is that the player scans their land looking for Illuvials, and when they find one they record details of its structure and makeup (which we call Biodata ). Once this Biodata has been scanned a player can use it to conduct Research or to show off their scan by projecting it using a Holographic Statue."

Now I'm trying to figure out region pools

Still trying to figure out WTF a region pool & a blueprint are

[little moon]

Blueprints are used to craft cosmetic items in the main game. Im a little fuzzy on the exact details.

[thorny crater]

Armor, weapons skins, etc…main game stuff is still mostly mystery. But I do know it’s like buying a pack of Pokémon cards. But instead of just getting cards you travel to a region and you have to find those “cards” aka illuvials

Also from what I saw on a pic, so don’t quote me, but the illuvial might be a little ball of light. And, from a aaron/kerien(sorry for butchering your name) interview, can’t remember who said it, we have to decide is it worth scanning or not.

Iike do we have shards left, maybe there is material needed for another scan? Idk but I’m excited

Me in the character leaks…..soon my friends. Soon

[dawn cradle]

So... the land is used to generate fuel (which can either be used to further develop the land) or generate blueprints that are NFTs that can be sold in the main game. The blueprints are required in the main game to craft armor or weapons. So let's say in the main game you wanted a top tier weapon. You would need to use the Tier 5 NFT Illuvial blueprint for that weapon that can only be gotten by scanning that Illuvial in the minigame and then crafting a blueprint in the minigame based upon that scan using research.

As to the region pools, the basic way it works is that you will almost always scan an Illuvial based upon the region you are in (water, fire, etc.). There is some cross Illuvial scans (and once you scan you can make unlimited blueprints) but in general the type of land you buy will determine what Illuvials you find there (hence the region pools).

Last the extra fuel can be sold to the main game for Ethereum. The NFTs are of course sold in the main game for Ethereum.

[jaunty ermine]

is this a legit amount graph?

[thorny crater]

Yeah at one time it was but all info is subject to change

[humble ether]

Speculation

[thorny crater]

This was pinned for this chat but can be found here:

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

That said the only 100% correct ness is the T5s

[jaunty ermine]

i knew that but didnt the rest but time will tell rest of the numbers then

thought its new info out 🙂

[autumn island]

Does it mean apple M1 chip set is not able to play the game?

[zinc grove]

Gm, do you know if I have to hold ILV to buy Land? Or I can get it with sILV or ETH without holding ILV? I need to take some profit for my business.

[ivory vine]

There is no whitelisting for the Land Auction. You just need enough ETH or sILV to actually be able to purchase something 🙂

[feral basalt]

I'd also like to know 🙂

[fair temple]

Is the dutch auction for all lands together or seperate? Like a normal auction where the item first gets an introduction and then gets put on auction for an in this case reducing price? Or a bulk auction where f.e. all T1 lands are put up at the same time and the price reduces for all of them too. I guess this would not be viable because i dont think we will be able to buy 20K lands within minutes with this community. Some lands would drop to a ridiculously low price like that if people dont get to buy them when their price is higher.
If they dó get introduced seperately then how long would it take to go through all 20K lands? 1-2 weeks? So if 1-2 weeks that would mean 1 piece of land every 30-60 seconds?

[ivory vine]

The exact structure of the Dutch Auction has not been disclosed yet, so unfortunately this cannot be answered right now unless @bitter glade is able and willing to provide more insight here already 🙂

[fair temple]

Alrighty! Thanks

[drifting drift]

Any idea from what platform will we be able to buy land?

[ivory vine]

#814313779696238642 message 🙂

[bitter glade]

They will got in lots where 10 might start at the same time, as predefined. The sale will last until sold.

[swift condor]

Illuvium zero is a isometric prerendered game that will run on most modern smart phones. With the main game, as a windows and android user I would not know from a technical stand point what exact Apple hardware you may need to run UE4 but I'm sure Google could give you something of an answer😇

[slow cedar]

Any ideas yet on how regularly the batches of 10 will start?

[spiral shadow]

can we play ilv zero without investing in a land?

[muted moth]

Yes, there will be an infinite number of T0 lands. You just will not gain any sellable items from it

[spiral shadow]

awww. do you know how much t1 lands will go for?

[bitter glade]

It might not be lots of 10 of course. And the time intervals might change. We will let you know before launch

[muted moth]

There’s no way of knowing since it is done by Dutch auction, but I could see a T1 land possibly going for 1000+. Hopefully it’s less, but definitely at least 500+

[amber narwhal]

i really wanna see some more leak for this IZ lands 🤞 🤞

[little moon]

will the land selling be affected by the gas fee ?

[supple relic]

Hi, do we have any information when the land auction is going to be, and how many auction is going to be? I know there are only 100k lands but they can hold more actions to sell alll of them.

[brave lark]

~End of October was the original target, "how many" slightly vague, there will be multiple auctions, likely only one before main game launch this year, maybe ~20% lands sold in the first auction. If you meant how much, it's all speculative at this point, it's been suggested maybe 0.5-1 ETH starting prices (lowest tier) but be aware of dutch auction rules

[supple relic]

Thanks

[muted moth]

Yep! Land buying is still a transaction on the ethereum network, so there will be a gas fee. So make sure you have some extra ether at hand!

[muted moth]

I believe it is confirmed 20k of the lands will be sold in the first auction. We just don’t know the distribution of how many of each tier

[ivory vine]

This is correct 🙂

[muted wadi]

Tech illiterate question for dummy here, hahaha. IZ will be available to play on mobile, so does that mean I could play it on a tablet? and if so are there specificarion requirements for the one I should get?

[muted moth]

None of that info is available at the moment; but I feel like any generic iPad should be able to run it. Though I would guess it is only going to be released on computer for the first couple of months or so. But that’s not confirmed

[muted wadi]

Cool... thank you!

[dawn cradle]

There is still discussion on if all lands will be sold before main game launch or only some of the land. I think it is probably safe to assume that there will be at least one or two more sales of land before the main game launch or coinciding with the main game launch. If I had to bet, I would bet two more land sales with one occurring at main game launch and a total of 50k land being sold (so say two more auctions of 15k apiece) after this initial launch though all of this is speculation. Only guarantee at this point is 20k land sale in early November probably.

[brave lark]

Do you have a source for that? All the comms I've seen indicated 1 land sale pre-launch, very interested if that's not the case.

[muted moth]

When they mention launch, I think they mean of Illuvium, not Illuvium zero. Only one sale prior to IZ

[ivory vine]

There is no final decision on how land is going to be sold after the first auction. Gotta wait for more details to be released first 🙂

[ivory vine]

Both games launch the same day. Illuvium Zero is playable before that, yes, but everything (except for blueprints one might have found) will be wiped. Full launch for IZ with fuel and blockchain features is first at the same day as the open beta launch for the main game 🙂

[muted moth]

Oh I hadn’t realized that; thanks for clearing that up!

[brave lark]

Yep, that's what I thought

[dawn cradle]

Didn't realize that either. Good to know.

[glad laurel]

Maybe start referring to "Soft Launch" and "Full Launch" idk

[dawn cradle]

Well then I'm editing it to one sale at soft launch (open beta) and one sale at hard launch (beta removed for main game). Just my guess.

[muted wadi]

You all think I'd be able to play illv Z on a samsung tab A7?

[dawn cradle]

I would guess so. But we will see when the final specs come out.

[molten cape]

Hello, can a blueprint be used twice? or it just burns after use it for the first time?

[long tendon]

From what I read is that the blueprint provides you with income as you get a share from players crafting it. So it's permanent in that sense.

[ivory vine]

I'm not sure if that idea actually was kept. Not saying it was dropped but somehow I have a nagging thought that tells me I read somewhere that it was. So you might wanna wait for confirmation on this before planning blueprint revenue already 🙂

[molten cape]

Does someone knows if whales are gonna pay people to pay or somthing (not for me tho)

[south belfry]

unless they make it super easy to manage 10 different lands then i see no point

but if its anything like starting one of those base builder games where you can spend 3 hours out the gate upgrading your base then that wouldn't be fun lol

[hardy brook]

Is two tier 2 plots of land for 20 sILV a realistic aim for the land sale? Appreciate that this is just speculation.

[ivory bough]

It really depends on the price of ILV as well. if ILV undergoes a major pump by the trailer (provided it is released before Land Sale) then you might even be able to buy a T3 (provided the price of T3 meets 20 sILV). It's kinda difficult to speculate with no data

[dawn cradle]

I'm fairly confident it was dropped such that you need to research the blueprint again to get another NFT of it. The scanned Illuvial that is needed to be able to research the blueprint is kept, however, meaning you only need one Illuvial scan to mint unlimited of that particular scanned blueprint.

[hardy brook]

That would be awesome but yeah I understand. It really is just guess work right now.

[ivory bough]

It's more of a wild guess than a guess tbh cuz we don't even know the starting price of the lands to start with. But yeah. I keep to my answer still 🙂

[hardy brook]

So true, looking forward to the sale though. Not knowing adds to the excitement. That's what I keep telling myself anyway 😆

[little moon]

Well, it will be already hard to bring 1k for the land, i might need to sell my liver for that xD

[muted moth]

Yea. I just feel like a lot of people will want to jump in; though some are predicting prices as high as 1 ETH for a T1. I think that’s a little high tho

[little moon]

Damn, i don't know how to invest my low amount of money 😢

[severe karma]

Put it all on black. NFA

[weary swan]

So u can buy rn cheap sliv for land ?

[ivory bough]

yeah you can use Uniswap, but be advised the pool is not authentic and not supported in anyway by ILV team and has been created by random ppl. So trade at your own discretion

[weary swan]

But it’s the right token ?

[ivory bough]

yeah, make sure you use the right sILV address. you can find it in pinned messages in #🥩〕staking

[weary swan]

Thx . Sorry I’m new what can u do with sliv ? Staking also ? Or just a reward token

[ivory bough]

!sILV let Moz4rt tell you 😄

[dry forge]

sILV is a substitute currency that can only be gained as yield when staking ILV. In game, it can be used to pay for any fee (excluding IlluviDEX trades and Leviathan Arena wagers) that otherwise would be paid for with the main currency ETH. The value of sILV in the game - and for possible sales where sILV is allowed - will be equal to the value of ILV.

While claimed staking rewards in the form of ILV are locked for 12 months, sILV offers the opportunity to liquidate your staking rewards immediately. The tradeoff for that is that sILV only can be used in-game and does not provide compounding in any form.

[thorny crater]

I can’t talk for 6 hours in general and have no clue why

[low geode]

Haha same! I thought I got banned

[ivory bough]

probably Slowmode. General went nutz after the announcement

[thorny crater]

Ah yeah I typed the # bot channel for other but the wallet spam didn’t stop lol

[low geode]

I guessed because I was a smart ass and tried to reply to Wendy

[amber narwhal]

but what happend?

[ivory bough]

general is off limit for 6 hours lol. safer to stay here

[pearl wing]

LOL 😆 they’re like Zombies

[wary sand]

Yeah, everybody jumped like a sheep even though they could see it did nothing. It would have been SO much worse if the bot was active, that's the sad thing.

[thorny crater]

All good. What was the announcement? I couldn’t find it with all the wallet stuff, but I did see the tweet.

Is this just being in discord, or is this the bot where we send our public address?(I was expecting tomorrow for that)

[ivory bough]

#💬〕general message

[thorny crater]

Thank you my phone was spazzing out lol

[odd furnace]

Bra I want your pfp man you find the coolest ones

[ivory bough]

well...cuz I'm special 😛

[odd furnace]

Give me some of that specialness

[ivory bough]

well I'm a Moz4rt fan. I take whatever pic I can that has him a part of it 🙂

[odd furnace]

Aaaa I sees 😋😄

[quick vortex]

Hi and will I be able to buy land using sILV?

[glad laurel]

Yes, sILV or Eth.

[quick vortex]

What is the estimated price of land 5? Can it be 15 ETH?

[potent dock]

Dutch auction means that all price estimates are just speculation. No one knows!

[pearl wing]

Tier 5 = Bidding starts at “Do you own a Country” ~ Aaron

[quick vortex]

And no one yet knows what the starting prices will be. And it will be next month. The exact date is not known, is it?

[queen folio]

Correct, date still to be announced 😄

[potent dock]

Starting prices will be (or should be, for a fair Dutch auction) impractically high. If people are buying at the starting price, that starting price is too low.

[quick vortex]

I read somewhere that 20k of land should be sold first and how many of them will be the most valuable? And it will be sold all at once? I know everything is still secret, but maybe someone knows something more? I would like to buy the best possible land, but for reasonable money

[astral creek]

what does the land entitle you to do? and does any1 know the starting cost?

[fair temple]

The 20K sold this time will be split up in batches for an unspecified time and an unspecified number (10ish?). With possibly 7 total T5 plots. So you could try to look for an inactive timeslot where the prices go lower.

[tough field]

What kind of blueprints will exist?

• suit blueprints
• weapon blueprints
• illuvial blueprints?
• ...

[potent dock]

Land (T1-T5, i.e. paid land) lets you generate NFT blueprints and Fuel. Blueprints are used in Illuvium, Fuel is used in both Illuvium and Illuvium:Zero. You don't need land to play either game though, and free (T0) land will be an option to play Illuvium:Zero, it just won't generate NFTs or blockchain Fuel.

There's TONS of info in the pins.

[low geode]

Fuck still a 3 1/2 hour lock out in general

[shrewd ocean]

can someone explain to me what blueprints do? I'm still struggling to understand land - as I thought you had to spend eth to create shards. I understand you are supposed to be able to somehow put together something that has to do with Illuvials in the main game, but it's really vague to me after that

[potent dock]

Blueprints let you make a thing. I don't know if we have any super solid info on what specifically you'll be able to make, but likely stuff like skins, maybe weapons/armor?

[shrewd ocean]

Ok - so this armor and weapons will be things you put on your Illuvial that make them better in the battle arena - not on your character who's running around catching Illuvials?

[potent dock]

It sounds like you might be mixing Illuvium:Zero and Illuvium.

Shards are a main game thing - it's likely you mine shards, and then pay ETH or sILV for the curing process. I don't think shards factor in to IL:Z at all.

AFAIK the interactions between the main game and Illuvium:Zero are:
Fuel
Blueprints

[potent dock]

Weapons and Armor would be for your character (i.e. Arlen or the Male character). Your character fights in combat alongside your Illuvials in the main game.

[shrewd ocean]

Ah ok - but they haven't announced weapons or armor for illuvials yet?

[potent dock]

I don't think so, no, but we don't have a TON of info on the main game mechanics yet. I think they're keeping things secret for a reason 😄

[shrewd ocean]

ohhhhh ok - did not realize your main character was part of autobattler

[potent dock]

#🚰〕leaks message

[shrewd ocean]

Does anyone know where this was referenced?

[potent dock]

I'd recommend just searching through all of JohnnyA's posts - he's covered TONS of stuff from IL:Z and it was probably him who posted that.

That one is actually in the pins too 😉

[shrewd ocean]

Ok yeah - I'm reading this now - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf

I'll search his name, appreciate it

[outer wind]

Does anyone know if the IlluviDex will have an API developers could integrate with? We're looking to build as a start a monitoring system for land. Just giving insights into land sales, setting up notifications for price etc.

[shrewd ocean]

I've been going thru @amber atlas stuff and the documentation. I'm still trying to wrap my head around 3 types of fuel in illuvium 0 & the main game using fuel for shard curation (think there's something else to read on this somewhere) ... but the one thing that's kind of hanging me up is this post

Based on the original document (which I know may be outdated)

"Generating Fuel is one of the main goals of Illuvium: Zero. It is used as a cost in many high level buildings, and potentially can be used as a way
of sharing revenue in the Illuvium game by enabling forging of Armour, Weapon, Shards, and so on."

Do I understand right that the blueprint NFTs will be linked to a pool that gets portion of revenue from generated weapons and armor - or will it just be skins of weapons & armor?

[muted moth]

Right now the intent of blueprints is not super clear; we know that they will have something to do with weapons and armor, but we do not know the specifics yet

[shrewd ocean]

If you own multiple plots & plot one produces one type of resource, will you be able to use it to build on your other plot?

[muted moth]

I believe you have to send it over using some sort of building that will be on your land; but that could be completely wrong I’m not sure

Search “zero point transducer” I think this is the building that would transport items in between lands

[random siren]

I heard if you buy two plots next to each other it will give you abilities to do more stuff. I heard this on a podcast with Kieran

[shrewd ocean]

This part is really confusing me - I'm reading fuel may be added as a resource to the main game used for travelling & shard curation. I was looking for the intersection of game theory on how this wouldn't dillute the ILV holders. Does anybody have anywhere to point me to the difference between fuel in the main game used for shard generation & fuel in ILV 0?

Ah - here it is - I'm not insane.

"A novel way of allowing a seamless interaction between Illuvium and Illuvium: Zero is to allow the production of Fuel as an ERC-20 token that
would be purchased for ETH or sILV by players of Illuvium. This Fuel would replace ETH and sILV in the main game without any issue. The
fundamental mechanic for a player would be to spend ETH or sILV on something, but instead of it being an interaction in the game, it would be
the purchase of another ERC-20, with that token then being consumed when completing the interaction."

"As such, it should be configured that whenever a player claims F
uel they only receive 1-X%. " Ahhhh I see land owners get 10% of the fuel in game

[amber atlas]

A **Blueprint **is a plan or recipe which allows you to craft something in the main game. Without one you can't make anything. Standard/Base items will have Blueprints available for free/automatically (think of a giant database of public domain Blueprints), but skinned items require a blueprint that isn't available for free, you need to own the NFT to craft the items. Blueprints are not consumed when you make an item (unlike the Fuel or ores that go in to crafting it).

so you can make a bladed-shield with the appropriate ingredients using a 'free' blueprint, but you can't make "Ramphyre's Bladed Shield" (hypothetical name), which is a cosmetic upgrade, unless you own the corresponding Blueprint NFT

[shrewd ocean]

Interesting - so will the weapons have different grades for fighting with the blueprints or will they just be skins?

Or has that been decided?

[thorny crater]

From the photo I’d say grades. Tiers like land, hence the stage 1,2,3 etc…might have to make like 3 stage 1 sword to get a stage 2. Just like the illuvials

[shrewd ocean]

What photo are you referencing?

It just makes a big difference if higher stage players buy weapons with different stats based on free to play vs skins. I'm not sure how much ... I'm still trying to wrap my head around the economy.

[slate goblet]

So, blueprints will be very rare and few ppl who own them will be able to keep crafting and selling these items?

[dawn cradle]

Sorry to ask a question which is similar to Hikari's but question on the crafting mechanism. I get that you need to scan an Illuvial to then have its "scan", which enables research. Based upon the diagram shared earlier (armor or weapons, etc.), that scan allows you to spend resources (and potentially also requires fuel) to create a blueprint of an item (let's say a shield) Let's assume for the moment that shield is rare. - Is the blueprint created in Illuvium Zero an NFT at that point? And is the blueprint then capable of being sold in the main game which enables the creation of that shield in the main game?

[shrewd ocean]

Oh wow - so all fuel purchases will be done on native Eth?

[dawn cradle]

And for the broader audience your main character can be equipped with weapons and armor for fighting in the main game. The Illuvials are obviously part of how you "fight" in the main game, your equipment for your character is another part.

[shrewd ocean]

This seems like a pretty big deal - Aaron said half of the fuel roughly would be supplied by players at 38:20. What I'm reading here says 10%. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf

[slate goblet]

not native, L1

[slate goblet]

yes, I understand blueprint is a NFT that's minted on IZ and used on main

[shrewd ocean]

ooops - wrong paper, "Further, it is almost certainly the case that the fee they should be
able to obtain from swaps should be far lower than 50%, probably something closer to 10%," https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/872697327503163453/IZGDD-Tokenomics.pdf

[thorny crater]

The first pinned photo that shows random scanning tiers, or that’s how i am looking at it

[shrewd ocean]

ahh - I see what you are referencing.

I just wonder if the higher tiers will have different stats than openly available blueprints (maybe openly available blueprints are only for lower tier weapons?)

[dawn cradle]

I believe the talk currently is 5% of fuel will be transferable and owned by the user. 95% will go to the DAO (think stakers of ILV).

[dawn cradle]

I agree my understanding is a blueprint is an NFT that is minted on IZ and used on main. But when it is used on main, is it consumed? And does a Tier 4 or 5 weapon for example require a blueprint (along with whatever resources required on main) which is then crafted in the main game? Or how is the NFT utilized? This question is fundamental to the value of the land at the moment.

[vivid cipher]

Have you figured this bit out yet? The player in IZ will be producing a ton of fuel. But when they take that fuel out of the game they will pay like 90% of it to the DAO so they only keep 10% of the fuel they “extract” from the closed IZ game system for sale on the real world market. The actual fuel liquidity pool will also have 50% of its fuel tokens coming from the DAO and 50% coming from what the IZ players just extracted. So the IZ land owners will end up getting 5% of the ETH from all fuel sales.

[shrewd ocean]

Ohhhhhhh ok gotcha

[muted moth]

So when we sell fuel we get ETH?

[vivid cipher]

That 50% is supplied by the players. But they only get paid for 10% of what they supply.

[shrewd ocean]

So basically players will be earning 5% of the eth rewards from all the fuel sales, yep

[vivid cipher]

Yeah.

[shrewd ocean]

Is there anywhere to go read about the resources required for crafting weapons? I read blueprints will be permanent, but the other resources needed to actually craft will be coming from the main game?

[vivid cipher]

It’s gonna be the similar resources as are used in IZ (carbon, silicon,…) but it will be collected in the main game. Oh wait maybe Johnny has something good.

[amber atlas]

you don't earn direct revenue from your blueprint but you cab revenue by selling the NFT, or by crafting the item that it allows you to make and selling that

[shrewd ocean]

Ah interesting, so those resources won't come from mini game / land

[vivid cipher]

I wouldn’t think so.

[amber atlas]

if you are the first person to research a given blueprint its likely a pretty big deal, as only you (or the person you sell to) can make the corresponding item

[dawn cradle]

I thought you guys did away with that?

[shrewd ocean]

Ohhhhh - so 1 blueprint per skin

[vivid cipher]

It’s interesting because the minigame is going to be working on a massive scale with GIANT drones and structures so the amount of resources there will be huge. While in the main game it’s going to be small amounts used by players to craft small things. So if there were some way to transfer (which I doubt there will be except for the fuel tokens) it’ll be super lossy.

[amber atlas]

there is no longer a special revenue distribution based advantage, but if no one else has the blueprint yet (and people want to get the item it allows) it could be pretty substantial

[shrewd ocean]

ah, nm

[amber atlas]

how long that advantage lasts depends on how many people are doing research, how often... and a bit of luck

[muted moth]

But everyone with land has the chance to eventually discover the blueprint correct? It’s just whoever finds it first has the advantage until others find it?

[amber atlas]

yes

[dawn cradle]

so... you need the blueprint to make the item in the main game. Once you have it, you can make the item in the main game and sell it there for Ethereum or sell the NFT and allow someone else to build the item. Correct? Assuming building the item in the main game requires resources and time...

[shrewd ocean]

Can we get a confirmation that there won't be stat differences between weapons coming from user discovered blueprints & freely available ones?

[amber atlas]

yes, except time is minimal, it requires resources... if you were to collect all those resources yourself it would require time but you could also just buy them

[amber atlas]

the currently proposed set of blueprints are skins (purely cosmetic, no stat change) ... but I don't think we want to guarantee that they are only ever skins (and can't really given an IIP could change this)

[shrewd ocean]

Perfect answer

Understand the need for ongoing flexibility

[slate goblet]

blueprint isn't burned, it remains and is required to craft the item

[violet veldt]

if we purchase land in the first auction will it be resellable right away, or is there no platform yet to sell it on?

[humble ether]

i believe you'll own it as an ERC-20 token so you can do w/e you want with it once it's in your wallet. Not sure when the IlluviDex is coming out though

[violet veldt]

would it be resellable on opensea?

[humble ether]

i wanna say that since it's an erc-20 nft, you could technically list it on opensea but this isn't something i've done before so i'm not 100% sure.

[amber atlas]

(ERC-721)

[humble ether]

oh right. XD

[amber atlas]

ERC 20 isn't an NFT 🙂

[violet veldt]

does this mean we could sell on opensea or does it have to be sold through illuvidex which we have no definitive date on.

[amber atlas]

its a normal ERC-721 token which you can trade and transfer through all the standard mechanisms

I can't speak about OpenSea specifically, but they do say:

so unless something dramatic changes for them, then it should work yes

[violet veldt]

great just wanted to make sure there is a mechanism for resale prior to illuvdex coming out

[thorny crater]

Oh yeah i am 100% going to own a pice of land or 7 😈

[vivid cipher]

What if it WILL be out for the land sale?!?!? That’d be nice.

Doesn’t seem likely though.

[south belfry]

i mean you cant keep people from selling it, its on the block chain

[thorny crater]

I’m HOLDn

[ebon blaze]

is there any way to strategize to buy land like whether to use eth or silv and how much to spend in relation to what we can expect in profit for owning the land? Or is everyone waiting for more information and updates?

[ivory bough]

you can plan on sth. I myself have planned how much sILV I'm willing to spend and after that I will only claim ILV. If I got land, the better, if not, I'll grind it in game. No biggie

[ebon blaze]

around how much silv is minimum you think to make this is worthwhile?

[little moon]

Unless ILV price tanks it’s much better to buy sILV than use ETH since sILV is basically 50% off right now.

[ivory bough]

that's pure speculation as we don't even know what price the Auction starts at. Always devise a plan B in case you didn't buy land.

[ebon blaze]

interesting about silv price to eth. but then if you don't have enough you are sitting on silv not getting any rewards although I heard some ppl talking about changing silv to ilv and then staking slp

[ivory bough]

sILV is ha;f price in Uniswap. So yeah they might do it, but with small bags, maybe not worth it really. Not worth paying a lot of gas for. I'd say make a plan and stick with it no matter how it turns out. You can use your sILV later (probably) purchasing Illuvatars or use in game

[odd furnace]

even if you do like claim your rewards in sILV like Arash said its always going to be worth and you never know what might happen when you ingame and then you have sILV to use for something that you might need.

[ebon blaze]

I'm not big gamer but got interested in the tokenomics/crypto side of this project. But more I learned the more the game is starting to interest me lol. but yeah I should prolly just claim ilv and then see the gametrailer and figure out then how I feel about playing the game or not. I think the investing might be enough even if the game looks fun.

[ivory bough]

Sure. ILV has two side: investment/game. you can do either or both. either is profitable if done right. Both is pure profit.

[ebon blaze]

yup, the game/metaverse/dao/ip aspects of this project will have a long runway to grow if properly handled I think

[odd furnace]

Its going to be a worth well game to play for sure but at the end its all up to you and even if you have like kidz or smaller cousins who you could get to enjoy the game and they play and catch NFT for your wallet there always going to be profit in having those NFT

[ebon blaze]

what about child labor laws 😁

[odd furnace]

There is nothing against a child enjoy a game of any sort and if they are willing to play then thats not labor its entertainment

[ebon blaze]

I'm joking lol

[odd furnace]

XD

But yea theres alot to think of in this game for sure. I have already made strategies that im gonna use for this game.

[ebon blaze]

there should be a strategy channel bc it usually involves all aspects of the game

[odd furnace]

maybe there should but at the same time not everyone if going to want to share their strategy for sure. XD I would say its more about networking and finding the right people who you know your going to enjoy the game with and then also that have the time to think up of these strategies. And tbh there is no better place than here to network with gamers/crypto traders and learn new things.

[inland smelt]

I was thought land owners can research a blueprint like a sword tier 5, then craft it in main game and sell to players. Didn't know that its just a skins only.
Is that mean all equipments in all tier will have their free blueprint in main game for everyone can craft them? I mean, a normal one with their random stats, no skin.

[earnest pulsar]

Will there b illuvials on ur land if u buy it?

[plush surge]

dont think so mate

actually capturing them will be done on the main game
IZ seems to be one where you mine resources or make skins by scanning illuvials that may roam onto your land (or you use certain buildings to attract them)

[amber atlas]

Aaron I talked about that approach a lot, but it is messes too much with game balance, because items control the attributes of your character, imagine one class had Tier 5 items available, but one only had Tier 3 available... totally possible particularly in the early days of research ... now the whole game has an imbalance which favours a certain class

I think it is well demonstrated that a lot of players will pay for cosmetic items, and thus researching Blueprints will still be a worthwhile activity

and as per the quote, we aren't (and can't) rule it out forever

[amber atlas]

you can scan Illuvials on your land as per the pinned scanning design, you cannot capture Illuvials in Illuvium Zero

[minor pilot]

anyone have the contract address for sILV please

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[minor pilot]

tyvm

[earnest pulsar]

Ok thank you 😊

[random siren]

Just for fun how much money do yall think we can make a day from say a treir 1 land that sells for 3,000.

And if your not buying up cheap silv tokens on the open market to prepare for the land sale I dont know what you are doing

[minor pilot]

is there much speculation on the price of each land tire ? from T1 -T5

or is anyone brave enough to put figures to it ?😆

[ivory bough]

much? speculation has been around for months now. you can go through the chat and find many.

[minor pilot]

i did see a reference to 20 IVL for a T2 land and some suggested 20 ILV maybe T3

[ivory bough]

it's 100% pure speculation. Not even starting prices are out yet. There will be info about it later before the sale goes live

[earnest pulsar]

Surely it’ll be more than that, right?

[minor pilot]

cool im saving up my sILV and going to claim it once i know how much land will be hopefully i will have enough for a mid Tier piece

[ivory bough]

Around this price, 20 ILV is like $10k. so I'd say 1 T2 is very much, T3 a hard maybe. However, it's as good as a guess

[earnest pulsar]

U can buy sILV on open market?

[minor pilot]

yes uniswop $204 looks like a bargin atm

[earnest pulsar]

Good to know, was thinking way more but ok

[earnest pulsar]

Well I did not know that, thanks 🙂

[minor pilot]

im guessing T5 will be off the charts and T4 too much for most of us

will be interesting to see how many parcels of each Tier of land there will be

[earnest pulsar]

Second land sale next year right?

[minor pilot]

Im not sure mate i bought and staked some ILV a while ago and just keep a bit of an eye on here from time to time as im involved in quite a few other games but as we get closer i will keep a closer eye on things as its one of the few games i actually want to play and not just profit from

it really is one of the stand out games being developed atm

[earnest pulsar]

It’ll be the best game out there for sure !! 🥊 can’t wait to play!!!!!!

[minor pilot]

yes i like the look of Guild of Guardians as well

[ivory bough]

well I said around this price. 🙂 who knows what ILV will be at by Land Sale

[earnest pulsar]

Yes we can only guess I suppose 🙂

[shell rose]

Can you link? I don’t see it there

[ivory bough]

you will have to add sILV contract address to "token section" in Uniswap to be able to see it and read this please #💰〕token message

[shell rose]

Is there any more detailed timeline available yet for landsale, or we are waiting for formal announcement on auction/plans/etc. ?

[ivory bough]

def waiting for formal announcement. It should be around late October/Early November

[shell rose]

Awesome! And the pinned PDFs are still the latest info we have, be it formal or informal, on everything basically?

[ivory bough]

it is a bit outdated as some stuff have changed, but yeah, it should give you a general idea of what it's going to be

[shell rose]

Does ILV team (or anybody here/players) keep an up to date community wiki or anything like that yet? something like fandom wikis I would imagine would be pretty awesome at some stage.

[tough field]

It's a good idea.

[shell rose]

Could get the PDF contents there to start pretty easily!

[tough field]

I will get much easier to access the most updated and finalised ideas of each part of the project.

[lean wadi]

I was debating saving up for some land but I'm getting the feeling it might go for more than I'm willing to pay. It'll either be going into SLP or land but I'm not sure which.

[loud yew]

Thoughts on aribtrage between sILV and ILV. For illuvium zero was thinking the price of sILV will move close to ILV. Now im wondering. How much supply of sILV is out there, waiting to be claimed to be used for the land sale. Effectively, because the price difference, we may see much higher bids in sILV then ILV. Pricing out buying the land in other coins (because sILV is half off now). Not sure if that ends up being a positive for sILV price or theres going to be a girth of supply as people claim their staked rewards and use it. Thoughts?

[queen folio]

There we go!
Just have IZ displayed on an iPad on top of some sort of stand instead of a Christmas tree.
Instead of ornaments, family members go to the iPad and take turns initiating builds on different structures/sites 😄

[loud yew]

I think the land sale will be way higher than were anticipating because people will use sILV to buy it. Effectively no ine going to buy in ETH or ILV, because u can save 50% + buying it in sILV

[plush surge]

mate thats one possibility i think, but i think land sale is only in sILV or ETH, not ILV

[loud yew]

Ah okay, so no one will be buying this in ETH brotha. Can save way more by buying it in sILV

[plush surge]

theoretically that makes sense but like someone cautioned above, the open market sale of sILV is fair game, so just be wary if you're purchasing it openmarket and not using your own sILV rewards

[loud yew]

ya, i was just reading more, i hadnt realized that to claim sILV u have to forego your rewards in ILV in the future, definitely will deter people

[brazen zinc]

I do foresee quite a lot of people claiming sILV to spend on land simply because of liquidity. ILV rewards are staked for 12 months, so it will be very tempting even for long term holders to bag some sILV rewards and get involved in IZ.

[low geode]

I’ll be using ETH

[plush surge]

probably doing the same

[loud yew]

ya i looked more at the mechanics, i think alot of people will leave their ILV staked, i take back what i said lol. But this does lead to the arbitrage opportunity between ILV and sILV most likely closing to some extent when we get to land sale and demand for sILV goes up. What do u think

[glad laurel]

Once sILV has a near term use (land sale and game) and we better know it's true value in the ecosystem, the gap will close.

[low geode]

I can’t justify losing out on possible long term redivs for 1/2 off land, which I’m planning on holding long term. I think long term there is no question on which currency to use.

[loud yew]

ya, that makes sense. im coming from a new guy perspective with n upcoming event. No ILV bought yet, nothing staked, looking at an upcoming event and weighing what makes more sense. buying ILV and staking it long term, buying sILV and buying land for long term use...

[low geode]

Yes I’m currently staking. I don’t plan to unstake, probably not even after I unlock. If I wasn’t, I may have a different opinion, which I didn’t even think about. Different strokes for different folks for sure.

[loud yew]

alright, thanks for the chat dude, has helped me decide. bought some sILV, but not a crazy amount, should be enough for osme land

[inland smelt]

"some" ?? 😳 guys, I've found a big boy here

https://tenor.com/view/the-goonies-hey-you-guys-hey-hello-happy-gif-3555841

[loud yew]

sILV will become par value in the future. the bet is on whether people will want to buy things in the game. And people will want to buy things in the game. its just a matter of time. Arb opportunities balance out once the market figures it out. even if it takes a year, u get the price appreciation of ILV in the game since sILV:ILV dollar to dollar value. and not only that, u get to earn a return of the items u purchase in the game. honestly its literally buying ILV or the NFTs u want, half off if u think this game will be in high demand. in my opinion.

[inland smelt]

I meant "some land", not sILV lol

[loud yew]

shit bro i have no clue how expensive they will get honestly.... would love to get a better idea, but i bought the sILV i want for now

[inland smelt]

Yeah I've bought some sILV too. I'm planning to buy as much land I could lol But hopefully can get at least one because the specalution price seem crazy due to the dutch auction.

[molten cape]

when will be the illuvium zero land sale aprox?

[terse peak]

Expected end of oct - early nov

[lusty breach]

how many lands are there gonna be total?

[thorny crater]

I could give you a picture but it is speculative. It’s in the pined notes

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[lusty breach]

wow, so 100 000 land plots, this will bring in some serious revdis. Even at 1 eth per land we are going to 300mln. This is crazy.

[gaunt slate]

People have estimate at lower level land going for 1k, I personally don't see it. I expect even Tier 1 to be sold out before they drop under 1Eth.

[rugged walrus]

highly doubt that

[cyan nest]

With sILV on the cheap, I see people buying T1 fire plots at full price

as pokemon fanboy, I want my holo charizard ❤️

[little moon]

How much costs a land?

[glad laurel]

Unknown, they will be sold via dutch auction

[thorny crater]

Dutch action no one will know. I’m guessing it’ll start at a stupid high price(5-10k+) and work down

[glad laurel]

High tier lands will start far higher than that. That might be the start for T1

[little moon]

An auction? Wtf!!

[glad laurel]

Best way to do it, maximizes revenue while avoiding gas wars as much as possible

[long lantern]

Dutch style auction

[little moon]

This gonna be a game for big gainer... sad

[glad laurel]

Illuvium Zero? Yeah. Main game will be for everyone.

[thorny crater]

Oh yeah my be i was talking about t1 one’ll.

A t5 I’m guessing will go for a small island

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-scrooge-mcduck-money-rich-gif-14161225

[thorny crater]

Dutch auction**

[thorny crater]

After a ESPN tournament…..if i win the lotto 12/10 would buy 1 t5

[quick vortex]

Hi, where can I buy sILV?

[thorny crater]

#squirtleGang here

[thorny crater]

Check out #💰〕token chat and the pin messages

[glad laurel]

Uniswap - you'll have to search the contract pinned in #💰〕token or #🥩〕staking

[little moon]

ILV Zero is only for farming objects to build armors, gas etc. right?

Then the farmes can sell their objects?

[buoyant wasp]

The blueprint to armor and skins and also farm gas. From my understanding the gas is used in main game for traveling / curing etc so if you have your own then you can be self sufficient

[upper tiger]

Hello all! I’ve been following the land sale for a while now, and there were a few things that were unclear, and didn’t know if anyone might have some insight. I know of the ability to sell fuel to the other players, but we’re resources included in that as well? If so is there any idea about the possible revenues to gain from selling? And if not, what would be the benefits of owning land? Ik it’s a lot but any ideas or answers would be much appreciated:)

[potent dock]

Non-fuel resources were not included in that. Sources of revenue from land should be:
Blueprints
Fuel

[plush surge]

hey guys, can land be bought using a combination of sILV and ETH? or not sth announced yet?

[potent dock]

Probably not with a combination in a single transaction. Not 100% confirmed AFAIK, but super doubtful that it'll be possible.

[plush surge]

thanks mate, so buying sILV for the purpose of land sale also has the risk that you needa estimate how much to buy yeah

[potent dock]

Yeah I suppose so, if you're primarily interested in land.

For me personally, if I'm priced out of land, I'll just sit on the sILV until launch and spend it then.

[plush surge]

got it thanks! all the best with the sale

[dawn cradle]

Got a question for @amber atlas most likely. So I understand that Fuel Converters can be build on any type of land where as Fuel Extractors can only be built on Fuel sites which are only found on T2 or higher land. I understand that the land will only have so many plots and so you will need to make choices on what buildings to prioritize. So... a few questions:

• the fuel convertors and extractors are the same at the same level regardless of the tier or land right? Like, a L1 extractor is the same as another L1 extractor even if one is on a T2 and one is on a T4 correct?
• if you build more of a particular type of building (fuel convertor for example), does the cost to build it increase with the more that you build or does the cost remain flat?

[amber atlas]

1. yes

2. it remains flat

[dawn cradle]

thanks. And the efficiencies and all is based upon how close it is to power and a whole bunch of other game dynamics beyond the scope of say this text chain.

[amber atlas]

yes, some things do better close to each other, some things do better far from each other, some things do better far from everything, etc

[dawn cradle]

gotcha. Thanks for your quick response.

[upper tiger]

Ah I see it sounded too good that all things produced would be sold, Thankyou for the input!

[thorny crater]

Dat me

[plush surge]

hmm believe that the resources mined will be used to either construct buildings or produce fuel / blueprints so does make sense for the final outputs to be the ones that can be sold

[thorny crater]

Scanners do better far away from other building…I think all except one. Got to check the notes again.

[amber atlas]

I'll publish some more updated design docs like the scanning one soon

[upper tiger]

Ohhh okay I like looking at it that way, they’re used to ‘Refine’ your materials into something with more value. Much appreciated

[dawn cradle]

I believe this has been stated before, but all tier lands will be the same size, correct? The difference between the tiers are the resources and fuel that are available on the land to be harvested but the land itself will have the same buildable area regardless of tier.

[amber atlas]

yes

technically T5 has slighlty less areas because of the eSports arena stuck in the middle 🙂

[dawn cradle]

lol. Alright, that' s the reason I won't be getting it then 🙂

[thorny crater]

I sell a left 🥜 for a t5 land haha

[tough field]

How much NFT of a blueprint will exists to be minted? will it be a max fixed amount for each blueprint?

[vivid cipher]

Ok Johnny I want to check regarding blueprints being used in the maingame. Will they be forging actual equipment or just skins to overlay a player’s existing equipment?

[amber atlas]

no limit, players research the same BPs again, but that's not a limit (as players could just crate a new account)

[amber atlas]

they don't forge the skins per se, the are required to forge a skinned version of the item (think of it as a plan for how to attach the skin to the item)

see: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

So the equipment is needed first. Then produce the skinned version.

[amber atlas]

yes, with the caveat that we haven't totally defined exactly how this will work (for example the interface might allow you to do it all in one step from raw resources)

[vivid cipher]

Good for balancing.

[amber atlas]

that is to sya: if A+ B = item, and item + skin = skinned item... the interface may also allow: A + B + skin = skinned item

it would have the same requirements and costs it would just be a UX thing

[vivid cipher]

Blueprint Skins are tiered in two ways… from a t5 illuvial and on a t5 equipment. Or are skins more flexible than that?

[amber atlas]

and stages

[vivid cipher]

More steps more fun

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-rofl-laughing-ketawa-gif-10164703

[vivid cipher]

Yeah. Stages for equipment. Oh wait did you mean stages for the blueprints too? 3 copies of same blueprint make it even fancier? Insanity

[amber atlas]

ahh no for equipment

the BP stage is the same as the equipment stage

[vivid cipher]

Imagine how many design assets would be needed. Lol

https://tenor.com/view/bacteria-pattern-replication-multiplication-exponential-gif-16036074

[amber atlas]

it would be progammatic, for example a texture gets a higher emmission value as the stage increases, so it glows brighter and brighter

maybe there is a pulse variable or flame height variable etc

[vivid cipher]

Merge three stage1 skinned s1 equipment get 1 stage 2 skinned s2 equipment.

[small star]

I'd just like to know if we are on track ....

• ILZ
• Land Market
• Fuel pools
• Auction website

[tough field]

If a blueprint NFT is not consumed when used and there is not limit for a blueprint to be minted in the IZ, users in the main game can start sharing a blueprint NFT out-game for free discouraging landers to scan new blueprints. Am I missing something?

[thorny crater]

I mean i could airdrop you any NFT, shoot anytime you want to send me an illuvium(offical only) NFT pplease do lol

[amber atlas]

To be clear you can't mint unlimited blueprints as a single player: ** once you discover a Blueprint in IZ you can mint the corresponding Blueprint NFT only once**
It is uncapped in the sense that every new land owner can (eventually) research a given BP and mint it
Anyone can send their NFT to their friends, or just set up a service minting items for cost only ... but if you are one of ten people holding such a blueprint why would you do that? Charge X ETH per item, or give them away for free?

(of course some people may eventually do this)

The balance here is mostly about how many different BP types there are (many many thousands), so even if a player is giving out Axolotl Bladed Shields for cost, the players who have the Axoltl Tower Shield BP might be zealously guarding it.

As a side note: its not practical to give your land to another address, create a new account, start your land from scratch, do all the research again, get all the items, rinse and repeat.. because getting all the items across all the regions would take take roughly 10 years

But if you got a blueprint for X and some other player has set up a free service trading X item for cost/ingredients .... well yep that would suck

(Lots of edits for clarity, hope it makes sense)

[tough field]

Thanks. That was very clear. If a user create that kind of free service trading you described will really suck. What we can do discourage that?

[south belfry]

So we’ll be able to swap wallets so we can put our land on ledgers?

[amber atlas]

hope that most everyone wants to maximise their own revenue??

[amber atlas]

I was saying there is now way for us to differentiate between a user selling an NFT to a new player who then creates a new account... and trading it to themselves with a new wallet address and creating a new account

[plush surge]

assuming all landowners do wanna make back on the amount they spent, it probably is unlikely. unless that person simply wants to troll then nth we can do about it

[plush surge]

when we sell the land, all the buildings constructed will still be on it yeah? like the data will not be wiped. so if we developed the land we may be able to sell at a premium?

[south belfry]

but if you send your land to another wallet it resets?

[amber atlas]

that's the plan, but I'm not sure of the when... definitely no v1/alpha (due to wipe), but it may be a feature that comes out after v2

[amber atlas]

the reserach would have to, else researching items on land would devalue it... or completely break the BP system if you could just mint again

[south belfry]

still kinda lost so if you switch wallets your land gets wiped? or if you sell to someone

[amber atlas]

in v1 definitely yes, in v2 probably yes, at some time in the future you will likely keep the structures but lose the biodata and BP research

[south belfry]

that makes sense but youll keep it on your address and the other person wont get it

[tough field]

Yep. I also think people will realize that they can make money with the blueprint and stop offering free service

[plush surge]

yep seems like its to protect the value of the BP that you minted, so the person who buys the land cannot just use what you've done to mint the same BP

[south belfry]

i mean the point of this is to make all the money

[amber atlas]

basically there are a lot of edge cases to work through, and I don't want to be saying we will have structure permanence by v2 when it is probably v2.1 or v2.2 or whatever... but I'm confident to say that Biodata/Bleprint data will be associated with the player not the land

[south belfry]

play to earn baby the future is now, ready player one inbound

[south belfry]

if we have multiple lands will we have a one button collect?

or maybe like a dashboard

[amber atlas]

that multi-land interactions will exist is all but set in stone (exclduing an IIP to the contrary)... how those interactions work has not been fleshed out... happy to talk about ideas as long as it is clear that is just ideas

[south belfry]

yeah i mean if theres something to easily cycle between your land plots to build and what not or some sort of dashboard to see your timers/ resources and collect them all would be great

[amber atlas]

well we don't want to completely remove people from playing the game... going to your structures and collecting the resources is part of the game... a little daily grind which keeps you in the game

we want people in the game, because then you can decide to do other intersting things ("hmm this collector is less efficient than my others how can I tweak that")

and if you don't want to do that, well that's where things like scholar ships come in

[south belfry]

i get that but maybe just a quick collect button or something or see status of them all

[thorny crater]

This is like waiting for xmas as a kid lol Everyday drags by but the anticipation is 👌🏼

[south belfry]

obviously youd have to go into your land to move and change things but like a broad overview of them all

[tough field]

Agree

[thorny crater]

Got the civilization 4 test of time vibes right now

[south belfry]

im actually more excited for this land than the main game lmao

[tough field]

I am exited for both equally

[south belfry]

im definitely playing both but i think big gains can come from the land, life changing gains

[tough field]

Yes, sure. But it will require a huge initial investment. And not all people will have a land

[south belfry]

takes money to make money

[silver veldt]

Hi

[tough field]

Thanks @amber atlas @south belfry @plush surge for the talk

[plush surge]

all the best with the land bid mate

[tough field]

all the best for you too

[random siren]

Will the land and your buildings be in the main game? Like will players interact with them while roaming the lands

[amber atlas]

no

a certain area of the map is the 'main game' area and it wont have land plots on it

[thorny crater]

I'm here for the Pokémon nostalgia....BUT I am saving almost everything i an to get land too. My goal is to be a weapon/aromor smith with posion/ice illuvials.....but PVP is not big for me. I love the crafting part of these types of games lol

[coarse wave]

same. i like city style games haha

[jaunty ermine]

so how many blueprints as skins will be allowed to mint in total/type from a land? also do you reckon they will make back their value(lands via materials)? @amber atlas

[vivid cipher]

Do you mean land producing enough blueprints to make back the initial land cost? Because I’m pretty sure there won’t be a requirement for further investment into IZ unless you want to speed things up.

[jaunty ermine]

no

thats why i edited after cuz could misunderstand, will land making back its price eventually via material produce?

[vivid cipher]

It all depends on how overpriced the land is and revdis (selling fuel tokens) if you ask me.

If the game/studio continues then Eventually it’d have to earn back more than the initial cost. It could take a very long time. But it’d have to eventually.

Plus initial cost isn’t a guaranteed loss. IZ is like gamified staking of ILV for revdis.

[tough spruce]

is there FAQ about land ?

[blazing plaza]

Wen land sale

[ivory vine]

In a couple of weeks, no final date announced yet 🙂

[blazing plaza]

So excited... stacking that sILV to prep for it

[buoyant wasp]

so fast? I thought i still have a month to accumulate silv 😦

[ivory vine]

A couple is NOT just two 😉 While no final date has been set, personally I don't expect the auction to come in October.

[distant lotus]

They'll give us plenty of notice on land sale to maximise the time to promote it and pump the price 😉 I'd give us at least 4 weeks notice if it was me, so people have time to fomo and put all their ETH away!

[ivory bough]

Can we vote it for November? 😄 let's gameplay pre-pump the price and then Land follows.

[dry plank]

Illuvium Devs: “land sale in two weeks all!”
Illuvium Community: buys all eth off exchanges, leaving nothing
Crypto Community: “where all the eth go?”🤷‍♂️

This is what plays out in my head, no matter how implausible lol 😂

[plush surge]

hahaha its good to dream eh. Probably will see a pump in the open market sILV price though

NFA

[cinder fractal]

I think that's going to be case for second sale because most sILV will be gone and we will be closer to main game

I'm playing now in Solana ecosystem for some time and it's crazy how much money some people have, I can only imagine once when we are rolling here any price prediction now can be well passed, so much money around

Because most people are not stupid and they will sell their jpegs without utilities for 100k dollars to buy some valuable land

[dry plank]

💯

[thin wolf]

Ser,i googled it..concensus says Couple means 2.😐

[ivory bough]

here couple is +/- another couple 🙂

[thin wolf]

Makes sense🙂

[ivory bough]

It's usually "plus" however 😄

[thin wolf]

Mid November would be fine.

[ivory bough]

I intend to agree. Would love to see the trailer do wonders, meanwhile we hoard as much sILV/ETH as we can for the land sale lol

[inland smelt]

Illuvium gameplay trailer will expected to be beyond everyone's understanding of blockchain games until now 🔥

[ivory bough]

well, can't wait to watch 300 times until my battery dies 😄

[humble ether]

we should be coming up soon on the trailer right? after the delay, it was ETA around mid-October?

[ivory bough]

EoM

[fathom ridge]

I am really hoping I'm able to get a T1 land for $1500 or under!

[sage tree]

Can't wait to buy some plots of land

[slate goblet]

@amber atlas I still don't understand how travels will be paid. If they don't use any fuel, will it be another kind of resource?

[dawn cradle]

My understanding is that one of the three types of fuel is going to be the "travel" fuel. The players will need to purchase that fuel in the main game to travel which drives demand for travel (the other two fuels are for curing Illuvium shards to capture Illuvials and crafting weapons/armors). The DAO will try and keep the cost of "traveling" around a set amount and will use the 50% of the fuel that comes from the "fuel DAO" to do that. But the other half comes from landowners and 10% of that goes back to the landholders themselves as Eth so 5% overall net amount paid on traveling will go back to the holders of the land.

[slate goblet]

I don't remember what's the 3rd fuel used for, but I remember it was confirmed it's not for travel.

[gleaming carbon]

What's the difference of landowners and land holders?

[plush surge]

believe they're the same mate

[gleaming carbon]

So I don't get it.. 50% of total fuel come from landowners and 10% goes back to them?

[plush surge]

yep so 50% of the supply of fuel from landowners, but 10% of the ETH earned from the sale of the fuel goes back to them --> 5% of total ETH paid for fuel goes back to landowners

[gleaming carbon]

Now I got it.. ty

[vivid cipher]

From the initial IZ GDD

Cryptons
Cryptons are usually required in high level Generator buildings.
NOTE: If approved, Cryptons would become one of the catalysts required in the Zero Point Forge for Illuvium. Specifically they would be a power
source for Fusion.

Hyperinos
Hyperinos are usually required in high level Extractor buildings.
NOTE: If approved, Hyperinos would become one of the catalysts required in the Zero Point Forge for Illuvium. Specifically they would be a power source for forging a Weapon or Armour.

Solons
Solons are usually required in high level Applied Science buildings.
NOTE: If approved, Solons would become one of the catalysts required in the Zero Point Forge for Illuvium. Specifically they would be a power
source for curing a Shard.

I do remember reading something from Ben about a fuel being used to power traveling. It’s not in the IZ GDD but it’s certainly how it will work.

[dawn cradle]

JohnnyA | Illuvium — 09/22/2021
all things will be paid with fuel, including travel, which will likely be tied to Cryptons

[tough field]

Where the others 95% of used ETH from fuel sale goes? Revdis for ILV stakers?

[plush surge]

sorry mate just saw, im not too sure of this myself

[graceful peak]

From what I understand, then the answer to you quistion is yes

[tough field]

Thanks, mates @graceful peak @plush surge . I am almost pretty sure that the remaining ETH from fuel sales goes to pay revdis to ILV stakers. I just wanted to confirm that.

[graceful peak]

I have been lurking and reading a lot of this. And 100% of revenue should go to ILV holders.

So in this case the 95% of fuel should go to ILV holders

[tough field]

Yes. I think that was the initial proposal. 100% of revenue going to pay stakers. But I think they required to change it when the fuel resource from IZ was added to the equation. At some level, the landholders should be paid for their effort to produce the fuel. That's why I think they left only 10% to pay to the landholders (5% in practice) due to the 50/50 share.

(edited)

[slate goblet]

But won't fuel be swapped or deposited on the LP? how will it calculate the amount that goes to the DAO and how much goes to land owner? How to know which land owner earns how much?

[thorny crater]

I disagree. Land owners will get paid if you work the land, but an incentive to get paid to play is very attractive for all.

[slate goblet]

tnx that's what I was trying to understand 😄

[graceful peak]

Land owners have to give 90% of the fuel to DAO. and from that the marketplace will be supplied with fuel from the DAO and land owners in a 50/50 share. So the land owners only end up with 5% of what they are generating from fuel

[plush surge]

hmm i think that's why some were saying the bottomline is that 5% of total fuel sold (10% of 50%) will go to landholders; not sure how the mechanism behind how that is distinguished from other revenue sources though

[thorny crater]

Revdivs of every purchase go to all stake holders. I would get ILV if your wanting money as a #1

To me the real potential money part would be the blueprints and scanning. Not fuel

Example if I have the only blue print to a super rare sword i could get top doable for each weapon or armor that i make

[graceful peak]

that would certainly seem to be the case at the moment

[thorny crater]

Fuel is, to me, a way to help those who want to be just F2P, play for fun and we get a little bonus to provide it.

[tough field]

I was thinking about that. How profitable will be to produce fuel with this 5% payback? Someone made the math to get to this number. So let's see how it will work. Anyway, those percentages can be changed later in DAO, if needed

[thorny crater]

True. But i am here for the Pokémon nostalgia not the money, that is a HUGE bonus lol. But i will get some land. Hands down trying to get seven t1s, or t2-t4…..if i win the lotto a t5. Lol

But i think i will make that a challenge. I wanted to do something like that I’ll gather the numbers today and run a python program on it. You got me curious

[tough field]

Me too. I am very competitive. I am here to battle with my illuvials. The fact that we can make money with the game make it more exciting

[thorny crater]

I want to be your weapon dealer lol. PvP is meh to me i love to craft

[plush surge]

would be great if you could share your results mate, if you don't mind that is
7 T1s is pretty ambitious but all the best with that!

[thorny crater]

Absolutely sharing is caring lol…..right? I doubt i can get that but I’m a dreamer 😌

[tough field]

Be careful. You will need to spend a lot of time in each land to make them profitable. I think they will make in a way that you will need to spend hours playing in the land to have some progress. I don't think a single person will be able to manage to much lands in a single day. But I did not find much information about that yet.

[thorny crater]

Give me a bit i do have work, a few audits for work to do, then gather the research numbers and ill throw it all together through out the day.

[thorny crater]

Sweet sound like a good time 🤓😅

I may reach out to everyone once i get the number down to be sure i have it 100% correct as we know it. Ill look at the chat channel convos, and pin stuff before hand, but just in case i don’t see an aspect that could effect the number yall might catch

Teamwork makes the dream work lol

[little moon]

Interesting but I think the most of us can't buy a land. The lands must be very expensive.

[buoyant wasp]

Expensive is relative :). If you are Jeff Bezos , it is practically free for you

[little moon]

Where can I see the land selling of ILV?

[little moon]

Haha true! I think the land costs 1-10 ETH😅

[dawn cradle]

just be aware that the blueprints are decorative only. As of now. I... get the feeling that will change in the future, but for now they affect only the skins and not the performance.

[buoyant wasp]

I believe there are blueprints of armor and weapons, only skins are decorative

[thorny crater]

To get better weapons and armor you need the blue prints.

The skins are for show

[dawn cradle]

No... to get better weapons and armor you need resources from the main game in the main game. All crafting with NFTs from land are decorative only.

yeah... kind of sucked when they shared that two days ago. Hope that gets reconsidered.

[thorny crater]

Interesting I could have sworn i read different somewhere, haven’t gone through the whole chat yet. If this is true, then it is like ESO online….ima recheck the notes again

[tough field]

People will buy decorative stuff. Believe it.

[tough field]

But they made the docs for blueprints open enough for in future to edit it in a way that blueprints can change item stats instead the skin only. In future everything is possible

[thorny crater]

100%%%%% in ESO i sold stuff for a crap ton….all i focused on was rare weapons and crafting lol

[dawn cradle]

And that was Johnny's point. I think you can have both but the concern of Aaron's is that if some T5s are researched and others are not it could affect the main game competitive balance for some time. Which is the worst outcome. So... my guess is we won't see it right away but probably will see it at some point

I'll see if I can find the post

[thorny crater]

I’m trying to do both work and this on the low 😈 lol

[dawn cradle]

Yesterday at 4:52 AM Eastern US time
Aaron I talked about that approach a lot, but it is messes too much with game balance, because items control the attributes of your character, imagine one class had Tier 5 items available, but one only had Tier 3 available... totally possible particularly in the early days of research ... now the whole game has an imbalance which favours a certain class
I think it is well demonstrated that a lot of players will pay for cosmetic items, and thus researching Blueprints will still be a worthwhile activity
and as per the quote, we aren't (and can't) rule it out forever

sorry this is from Johnny.
JohnnyA | Illuvium — 09/29/2021
the currently proposed set of blueprints are skins (purely cosmetic, no stat change) ... but I don't think we want to guarantee that they are only ever skins (and can't really given an IIP could change this)

Question from : suatmm — Yesterday at 4:26 AM
I was thought land owners can research a blueprint like a sword tier 5, then craft it in main game and sell to players. Didn't know that its just a skins only.
Is that mean all equipments in all tier will have their free blueprint in main game for everyone can craft them? I mean, a normal one with their random stats, no skin. (edited)

Then the answer shown above

[tough field]

Yes I totally agree with JohnnyA that keeping blueprints for just cosmetics is much better, specially right now, for launch. Messing with stats is too much risk and can unbalance the game . So let's keep it simple right now and see that later in future

[thorny crater]

They think of EVERYTHING lol i love this game haha….Yeah i was under the impression it would be for stats but you have to level up your char to be able to use it….but after reading that i get it. If i get to a t5 char and t5 weapons/armor i could do some heavy work on others/catching illuvials etc.

[dawn cradle]

I think you could do both. But definitely the concern is legitimate. I am going to propose something at some point when Johnny and a few of the members are on. Actually working up a different proposal now so will be secondary. But I think it is fair to say that any tier progression should not "Require" an NFT. Like... if I want a T4 sword I should not have to buy a T4 NFT to craft one. And that should always be allowed with say a basic elemental option (like I can craft a pure "power sword/axe/armor" one or one with power + one element type (ice, fire, etc.) without requiring any NFT. However, if I want a fire/ice shield with intelligence that is T5 level (so less fire or ice only but more split) then that requires an NFT. Just my two cents and I have to run regardless as I also have actual real life things to do :).

[thorny crater]

T4 and down i agree. Basic crafting could be a norm but fro T5 I’d like to keep it special lol but that’s imo

[dusty scaffold]

well tbh if the skin is nice/rare enough, it will have its own economy. but i will like to propose changing of elements along with the skin in the future. imagine ur skin is flame based but u put on ice weapon... feels weird, changing of elements shouldnt matter much in game unless an equivalent in the element doesnt exist.

[thorny crater]

Haven gone through the chat yet but here is what i got from the documentation. (I do not have concrete numbers right now the below is directly from the docs)

Land owner produce fuel.
Instead of 100% fuel swap for eth it is estimated to be around 10%(can change but ill make it as if it were 10% for now in my formulas)

• “We will define this fee as X%, with the player taking 1-X%.”

Fuel tax summary:
Land owner will not own all the fuel they produce but instead player claims Fuel they only receive 1-X%.
-this will prevent someone from manipulating the market and taking 100% in game and flooding the market or/hoarding to drive prices up

So whenever fuel is sold, all the fuel is sold, not just the percentage owned by the player. And whenever fuel is deposited into their IMX account, the X% owned by the DAO is automatically transferred to the DAO

This Fuel tax would replace the above Percentage Fee for land holders. That is, instead of them selling ALL the Fuel and being charged a fee of X%, they would instead simply NOT own X% of the fuel to begin with.

THat said. Ill add that to begin and now will go through the chats and see what numbers i can find to taps into

[thorny crater]

To sum this up:(correct me if i am wrong or if there is more info. This is fuel only)

Out of 100% fuel produced:
-land owners get 1-X%(i can’t find a exact number yet still looking in the chat)

When fuel is sold:
-land owner get estimated close to 10% eth for the transaction total(this is speculation as well)
-also when fuel is sold it is sold all at once, can not do partial sales.

Chat findings:
-recent chat i see that 10% is then 50/50 split so 5% to the land owner and 5 % to the players(guessing stake holders, which if so it will depend on your ownership so 5%+)

[dawn cradle]

So Johnny has said that right now the "end fuel" amount is 5%. That is a obviously estimate only and it can be changed up or down depending upon DAO vote. Would not expect it to decrease frankly. Could it increase... maybe. As to how fuel works - it is all purchased from a pool in the main game. The price of that fuel will fluctuate up and down based upon how many people are using that pool (think like AMM with Eth/ILV for example). What fills that pool halfway is the DAO (owned by stakers of Illuvium) where they deposit fuel and get Ethereum in return. The land holders are also going to deposit fuel into the pool. Whenever someone deposits fuel, they get Ethereum in return. In the main game people need that fuel to do things. They spend Ethereum (or more accurately swap it for fuel) which they then do actions that cost money in the main game.

It isn't detailed exactly, but my understanding is that fuel will be produced in the lands at a 100% rate. If you spend it in the mobile game, you can spend it at a 100% rate. So for example if you have 100 crypton fuels, you can spend 100 crypton fuels in the mobile game to develop your land. If instead you want to sell it you have to do it all at once and effectively swap it to the AMMM pool. 100 cryptons go in, and the equivalent ETh comes out. 90% of that goes to the treasury, 10% of that Eth goes to the owner of the land.

The reason they did it this way instead of a slightly simpler model is they did not want the landowners to have the rights to basically cause a fuel shortage which would impact the main game. Understand Illuvium main > Illuvium Zero and they make design choices to that affect. So with 50% of the fuel being up to the DAO, they can always keep supply shocks down even if a land fuel cartel forms for example that refuses to sell Crypton fuel to the main game. There is always Crypton available from the 50% from the treasury.

[thorny crater]

Sweet. So where did the 50/50 split out of the 10% come from when i sell fuel in the main game?

Or better asked maybe. what is the difference between “end fuel” and selling fuel to the main game

[dawn cradle]

Landowners only get half the fuel. So like, lets say all landowners in total in one day make 1000 Cryptons (just an example). Then 1000 cryptons is added to the DAO treasury as well for that day. The 1000 added to the DAO are sold the next day as are the 1000 cryptons owned by all landowners. 2000 sold total. The landowners get 10% of their 1000 so 100 total Eth equivalent. The final number to landowers is 100 out of 2000, or 5%.

[thorny crater]

Ahhh gotcha. I would say the doc i reference are out of date on this a bit lol.

[sage tree]

Gonna be so sick to own land in Illuvium. Can't wait

[thorny crater]

12/10 agree

[dawn cradle]

Actually this leads to a good question. Is the "matching of the DAO" for fuel that is developed in Illuvium Zero or only matching fuel that is sold to the main game. Pretty big question. Because some amount of fuel created is going to be used inside the minigame, likely a high percentage to begin with. If all that fuel is what is matched by the DAO, the true amount of fuel income from the minigame to landowners is going to be well below 5%. To start with it might be like 1% income to land holders eventually getting up to 3 or 4%. That's kind of an issue. I'll ask that question later when the right people are active.

Personally I think they are going to have to make it fuel developed in Illuvium Zero and not sold to the main game to avoid the cartel issues described earlier, but doing that effectively makes the amount netted for the land owners more like 3-4% fuel income. Between that and the NFTs having no statistical utility in the main game they might be devaluing the land too much in my view. That being said, I'll ask @amber atlas when he is on about it as I have no idea the answer at this point and am purely speculating.

[thorny crater]

Where is the matching fuel aspect. The docs show a fuel tax basically i can not find a if a landowner produced 1 fuel the DAO also produce 1. Aka 1 for 1 aspect.

What I see is if i make 100 fuels DAO gets x% upon land owner collection then landowner gets the rest, as of now from the docs*

[little moon]

If fuel is ERC20 wouldnt people just take it off IZ and sell it on a liquidity pool without having to pay the 90% 'tax' to the DAO. It seems like the DAO portion of fuel would have to be separated out when it is mined.

[slate goblet]

I haven't heard abour the DAO receiving fee from fuels swaps. What we know is that the DAO will produce fuel and will either swap or add liquidity to the pool.

So its income won't come from fees, it will come from direct production and trading.

[little moon]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[dawn cradle]

Yeah he had something to account for that. I forget the exact specifics. But yes it can't be traded off Illuvium. I think it is not an ERC20 but something else. I'll see if I can find it.

[little moon]

heh no worries. I just wanted to make sure we werent leaving any holes in the system.

[dawn cradle]

Actually I lied as it seems like Aaron said it is an ERC20 token. Though I admit if that is the case then why just just trade fuel offline? I know there was some discussions on this but can't find it. We can ask Johnny when he is online.

[errant trench]

hi all!, have they said when zero's available to play?

[ivory bough]

Shortly after Land Sale (late Oct/early Dec) it will be playable on phone/web, but Blockchain will not be implemented. The main launch will be with the main game in Q1

[errant trench]

oh ok, ty @ivory bough. I appreciate the info.

[lean wadi]

Does this mean you won't be able to collect resources until after blockchain is added? Or am I missing something.

[ivory bough]

afaik no blockchain features for fuel etc will be in and aside from blueprints everything will get wiped for the actual launch which is in Q1

[thorny crater]

It’s in the documentation that states:

Percentage Fee for Land Holders
The upshot of this revenue distribution method is obvious. The fee that land holders can obtain from these swaps should not be 100%, or it diverts much of the revenue from ILV token holders to Land NFT token holders. Further, it is almost certainly the case that the fee they should be able to obtain from swaps should be far lower than 50%, probably something closer to 10%, although this should be a configurable variable that can be adjusted through an approved ICCP.
We will define this fee as X%, with the player taking 1-X%.

[slate goblet]

That's talking about swapping fuels on the LP, isn't it?

[thorny crater]

Aw crap am i confusing main game with mini game? If so no wonder its not added up lol

[little moon]

I believe JohnnyA confirmed that only about 5% of the fuel money would end up back with the land owners.

[thorny crater]

Nope the document specially state land holder which is IZ:
I’m looking to find out this basically, if these are correct. Out of the 2 options seem like one of two ways it will happen:

1. Fuel Ownership Pre-Swap:
   “This Fuel tax would replace the Percentage Fee for land holders”

Land owner gets - X% amount
DAO- gets X% amount

Or

2)Percentage Fee for Land Holders

Tax fee as X%, with the player taking 1-X%.

The fee that land holders can obtain from these swaps should not be 100%, or it diverts much of the revenue from ILV token holders to Land NFT token holders. Further, it is almost certainly the case that the fee they should be able to obtain from swaps should be far lower than 50%, probably something closer to 10%, although this should be a configurable variable that can be adjusted through an approved ICCP.

Located here:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/872697327503163453/IZGDD-Tokenomics.pdf#page9

[thorny crater]

If so then I need to stop reading the this doc that is pinned lol

[little moon]

Yeah the original GDD is pretty old now. Its hard to keep track of which parts of it are still accurate

[thorny crater]

Ah ok yeah won’t be able to get a summary of this fuel aspect. ITs all speculation it seems ill have to wait and see before i start coding and building something.

Thank you

[slate goblet]

yeah let's wait games be released and see how it works 😄

[dawn cradle]

Alright so ask JohnnyA but I think I remember how it went. Fuel in the land game is a different ERC20 token than fuel in the main game. So... land game might have a CryptonA ERC20 fuel token. There is no "pool for it" or use for it. However, the main game uses CryptonB ERC20 token. That is required to transfer in the main game is is exchangeable for Eth. And there is a pool that exists which transfers CryptonA to Crypton B at a 10 to 1 clip. That would solve the issue. It does allow fuel to be transferable inside land game between wallets (which I don't remember if it is explicitly allowed or not allowed) without a transfer building but I think the basic mechanism here solves the 10% tax problem which is obviously the far more important issue to address.

[thorny crater]

I’m down to find out lol. But still happy

Yearning for some learning if you will lol

[slate goblet]

What I know so far is that there are 3 fuels (GDD), they are FT (Aaron), they're gonna be added to a Balancer Pool with ETH (Aaron).

DAO will produce 50% of fuels, land owners will produce other 50%. DAO will take 90% of land owners production, sum it to its own produced fuel and add them to the LP.

Land owners may either use their remaining fuel on the game, add theirs too for LP fee reward or swap for ETH.

Players get their land produced fuels or buy them on the LP then transfer to IMX and use to play the game.

1st fuel is used to craft weapon and armor, 2nd fuel is used to cure shards, 3rd fuel is used to fuse illuvials and to travel.

Aaron also said that the DAO will produce fluctuating amount of fuels to keep their prices stable.

[thorny crater]

Sweeeeeet now its all coming together @dawn cradle . Line two above is where i was confused about.

I need to learn more about them LP part of this for sure

[dawn cradle]

It makes sense but I'm not sure that is actually how it is done. We can ask @amber atlas . Johnny is the second line from above correct ? He is the guy that is active in chat and knows this stuff. And if you are coding something... let me know.

[thorny crater]

Haha he’s going to wake up with like 73 tags lol

[dawn cradle]

haha. Wouldn't be the first time I am sure.

[soft karma]

onde esta o jogo sou novo aqui

[thorny crater]

Yo hablo un poco de espanol pero #796506693973311549 o #808499666639388682 poder ayudar

[vivid cipher]

Yeah we love Johnny here. He’s the lead game dev on the #🎮〕illuvium-zero minigame.

[amber atlas]

sadly when it comes to economics, Aaron is your man not me

well not sadly, he is way more in to, and better at, that stuff than me

I'm actually going to hold off on answering this because I think Aaron and I need to go through latest state of game, make sure the solution still holds and draft a new public facing document

but all you fact gatherers need to be careful about drawing conclusions by layering two unrelated statements made at different times, as things are evolving the information from a new statement may mean an older statement is no longer valid, and if combined lead to incorrect conclusions

[swift condor]

So when it comes to security just the curious cat in me wants to ask you, is IZ going to use security based server API's lol the long answer would be fun if your keen hehe😇

[south belfry]

Send your land to your ledger

[amber atlas]

you mean for the game logic?

[swift condor]

ill take what ever what you want to throw at me

[amber atlas]

in v1 the logic is a mix of server and client, this is the main reason we don't have 'real' Fuel on v1 and that we have a wipe before v2 starts

in v2 it is fully server authoritative... effectively the client is just a view of what is happening on the server

[thorny crater]

Yeah the more i looked at the chat then at the docs the more confused i got ahah That’s why is as like I’m just going to wait

[thorny crater]

Oh yeah getting two today

[amber atlas]

I just had a chat to Aaron and we will work through the final details this week

[thorny crater]

Y’all are the bomb dot com!

[amber atlas]

public doc to follow (no promises on the date, but I will try and do it the same week)

[south belfry]

Don’t worry just earning more silv in the meantime and gives more time for a pump haha

[errant trench]

I don't understand the "wipe" of version one. y buy the land in v1 if its not "real" fuel and not moving over to v2? I guess you'll explain this further in the final details this week? sorry if you already covered this question..

[south belfry]

Just gives us a test drive to optimize

[errant trench]

yeah, im confused lol.. v1 v2, pertaining to the illuvium zero mini game correct? why would i spend .5-1 eth mins on land if its a test drive? sorry for the confused questions.. maybe you can point me to some more info on all this so i don't have to take your time up lol..

[amber atlas]

the land isn't a test drive, the version of the game is

v1 is "alpha", we expect all of the features to be there, but it might have bugs, there might be balance issues, there might be things that are just not fun

[errant trench]

ok, so what your land produces will carry over?

[amber atlas]

no

the only thing that carries over will be blueprint NFTs you mint

(v1.1)

we wanted to give some small benefit to playing the game during the alpha, and are confident we can allow blueprint research this without disrupting the economy, etc

[errant trench]

the fuel we are producing is not being used in the main game (q1) launch? i watched a few vids on zero and that was mentioned. ya i understood the blueprints correctly then.

[amber atlas]

if you want to wait and buy land on a secondary market (or our market) when v2 comes out that is your own choice

[amber atlas]

the v2/beta launch of IZ is aligned with the main game launch

[long tendon]

I was curious about this. If blueprints are the only thing carrying over wont people just focus on scanning and disregard the fuel generating part of the game?

[amber atlas]

they may, but there will only be a handful of blueprints available

[errant trench]

fuel is needed to play the main game. there has to be producers of it for that to work

[amber atlas]

-> "the v2/beta launch of IZ is aligned with the main game launch"

the DAO puts Fuel in to the pools as well

so maybe for the first week or two while production ramps up the DAO is putting in most of the Fuel, or maybe IZ v2 comes out a week or 2 earlier than main game

that's a detail that will be sorted out closer to release date

[amber atlas]

we hope some people want to actually play a game, and thus expect some people to play the game (for fun)
but even those purely focused on revenue generation can use alpha to test strategies, work out what approach is most efficient, etc

[errant trench]

i really like the production aspect of the game and would def love to be apart of that. i just wanna know the ins and outs before i bid on some land and spend eth

[amber atlas]

I understand, its very speculative

we will definitely come out with more details about game mechanics and land before sale

which should allow people to build understanding and confidence

[errant trench]

i like the game aspect as well though, its what caught my interest. def a fan of the monster hunter/breeder/metamorphosis. style games..

[thorny crater]

I’m here for the fun. Money is alll bonus to me, amazing bonus, but fun first lol

[amber atlas]

to be clear we aren't expecting major gameplay or balance changes between alpha/beta (v1/v2)

but having an alpha just helps us avoid any issues, and also allows us to get something fun in front of people more quickly

[thorny crater]

Same! Pokémon/digimon/yugioh card collecting/eso(or RuneScape play) nostalgia say whaaaaaaaaaat 🤓

[errant trench]

WWWHHHATTT!!

[thorny crater]

It’s like all in one haha

[errant trench]

thanks for all your help. I'm def looking forward to more info and DEF looking forward to game play..

[little moon]

will all the buildings & tech built on V1 be wiped or is it just he fuel accumulated?

[amber atlas]

everything is wiped (except blueprint NFTs which are normal NFTs and can't be wiped) EDIT: and land NFTs obviously)

[little moon]

thanks

[errant trench]

I'm also a BIG fan of rts games. thats y im feeling the zero, building and mining aspect. they could do a spin off on that alone as a feature of the game. RTS ILLUVIUM! id play the shit out of that 2 lol..

[amber atlas]

multiplayer competitive persistent world RTS on land, where at least some of the land can be conquered meaning you win the NFT ... that is the dream

but IZ is the "mini-game" 🙂

if IZ and the main game are out there being actively played then the possibilities that open up ... it is extremely exciting!

[thorny crater]

^^ I wouldn’t want that unless I could do this full time lol. I’d get fired from work. They’d be like “why are you alway in your phone!”

Me: they’re attacking my land and I need to show dominance for the clan/guild!

[errant trench]

I'm with you on that! stoked to see what happens! glad I'm here at the beginning..ohhhh the 30sec timers!! ouch..

[errant trench]

LOL! same!! "hey, so y did you crash your forklift today" me "ohh umm, there was an Illuvium that ran out in front of my forklift, so I swerved to avoid hitting it.."them "here you go, please go and take a drug test"..

[tulip phoenix]

any possible way to apply to play the alpha iZ ? or just owning land will make it happen ?

[thorny crater]

Not sure what you mean by alpha iz?

It’s F2P everyone will get a t0 land.

[long tendon]

As JQTs mentioned, IZ has F2P with T0 Land. Purchasing the T1-T5 lands are the P2E. Alpha IZ is the first release of the game where everything gets wiped except for Blueprint NFTs and the T1-T5 lands themselves.

[vivid cipher]

This scares the poop out of me. But I guess it’s not necessarily talking about pillaging the land Nft that someone invested significantly to own but maybe some sort of secondary NFT that boosts production or something. A big +/- competition. The more territories you conquer the more boosting trophies you hold the more efficiently the land produces.

But knowing Kieran it’s probably playing for pink slips. You lost? And you don’t have any more land NFTS? Oops you’ll need to buy a replacement land NFT.

[vivid cipher]

If Johnny needs play testers before the app launches on the app stores I’m sure he’ll let us know. Right Johnny?!?!?

[long tendon]

If theyre doing something like this, I hope its on NFT lands that are not to be sold but to be fought for. Winners who win it will be able to hold it for a specific time and/or have the option to sell it to someone for that said period.

[vivid cipher]

It’ll be a long time from now for sure. But yeah.

[long tendon]

Agree. They'd have to put up a guild system and make it MMO. Nonetheless, still exciting to know the endless possibilities of how this game can grow

[unborn pilot]

Will v1 players use some form of test currency for trading and buying?

[south belfry]

it will all work the same

its just essentially all play money but you can still earn blueprints and keep them

[unborn pilot]

How will the revenue from fuel that is purchased by sILV get funneled back to land owners?

[plush surge]

are you talking about in v1 or in v2 when the main game launches.
fuel from v1 will be wiped
https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/893652790453346344

[slate goblet]

I guess there will be a way to buy fuel with sILV directly from the DAO. We know the DAO will burn sILV when it's spent, so there won't be any official ways of trading with land owners for sILV. It's not meant to keep in circulation.

[unborn pilot]

I see. I thought there was some kind of revenue sharing for travel paid to land holders

[vivid cipher]

There is but sILV is not revenue.

sILV is a coupon.

[earnest pulsar]

Doesn’t claiming sILV take away one ilv from the 7 million?

[ivory bough]

sILV stops ILV from being minted and upon use, it gets burned and therefore takes ILV out of circulation

[earnest pulsar]

So once a lot of sILV gets burned from in game use, purchases ect, ilv will really began to be deflationary ?

[ivory bough]

to be deflationary means the tokens get burned. Here, the token won't be minted if you claim sILV. the definitions are quite close but they are not synonymous. But yeah, There will never be 10m ILV.

[earnest pulsar]

But very similar then, they will never get minted? Is that guaranteed?

[ivory bough]

yes. sILV is Synthetic ILV. so when you claim it, it literally means you have claimed a form of ILV that gets burned upon use..

[fair temple]

DAO can choose to mint more ILV i thought. But quite a lot of people will vote against it i think.

[ivory bough]

It won't happen imo as the costs in game are not that much ($50) so with ILV worth thousands of $, you just need ILV dust to play (in form of sILV/ETH). No need to have more ILV.

[earnest pulsar]

I like the fact that it will be deflationary in some way cause we all know what the price will do!

[fair temple]

Yeah minting ilv wont have my support either. But it is a possibility.

[earnest pulsar]

Not mine either!

[ivory bough]

yeah but you gotta stop using the term deflationary 🙂 it spreads false info even if it's close in meaning

[ivory bough]

anything is possible, doesn't mean it's gonna happen 😄

Guys for token let's use #💰〕token 🙂

[earnest pulsar]

All good 🙂 is there a name for it then ? Or should I create a new word right now for this 😂

[ivory bough]

Not really. It's more than an explanation afaik. you can Coin a word 😄

[earnest pulsar]

De maybe nary 😂 demaybenary

Or ilv to the moon 🚀 lol

[coarse ledge]

sILV can still be used to buy land right? Or did it change already?

[ivory bough]

you can buy land and probably (if approved) later Illuvatars as well

[coarse ledge]

Ok thanks!

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[ivory bough]

try using it in #👑〕bot-commands or you can also find it in pinned messages in #🥩〕staking

[coarse ledge]

oops sorry

[amber narwhal]

if the landsale will be late october/november, should they not pretty soon present how it's going to happen? so people can prepare

[ivory bough]

they will. On the other hand, anyone wanting to join the Land Sale should have already planned it ahead. You know your buying power, so you can somehow strategize it.

[amber narwhal]

Yeees i know my buying power haha, but just can't wait anymore 😆

[ivory bough]

I feel ya 🙂

[fair temple]

They should also be preparing the beta form one of these days if they want the closed beta to start next month.
Will be an exciting time!

[muted moth]

Is there going to be a closed beta for IZ as well? If so, do you think all land owners will be a part of it?

[autumn island]

My understanding if IZ is scheduled to launch with land sale in Nov, land owners will be able to play the game.

[ivory bough]

closed beta for IZ is the chance you get to play it before the wipe to my knowledge

[muted moth]

Gotcha. Thanks Arash!

[tulip phoenix]

Do we have any information regarding the Land? Do we will have opportunity to choose what zone we buy that Land? There is different type of resources and zones with more type of resources then others, on the land sale the Land we buy will be random or we know what zone we are buying into ?

[ivory bough]

you can read about the land in the GDD in pinned messages (though it's a bid outdated and we're waiting for an updated one). Regarding Hows and Whens, you will have to wait for more info regarding the land sale itself

[crimson abyss]

Previously it's been shared auctions will be for specific plots and we should know details on the unique land. It wont be random.

[tulip phoenix]

Thanks that's what i want to know, because i want to focus more on the blueprint building, and i read somewhere that for that type of building you need bunch of Silicon right?

[sudden glacier]

hello, i have a question. When land sale start 1 sILV will be worth 1 ILV ? 1sILV=1ILV? no matter what the price of sILV is on uniswap?

[ivory bough]

Hey. Yes

[sudden glacier]

thank you!

[crimson abyss]

I'm not clear on the details yet. Just what JohnnyA shared on scanning, I believe last Friday. The top couple pinned messages

[tulip phoenix]

I'm really excited for this game, even though it seems a really complex game

do you guys think because of the complexity off the game could stop the adoption a tiny bit ?

[long tendon]

It's f2p so people can test it out and try it. Lands being auctioned initially would go to the early adopters and will be a use case for those who'd want to invest after playing the f2p. It's definitely going to be a niche for sure but these mechanics and use cases will win a lot of people over.

[ripe ore]

As Land will be auctioned, that means it's up to us to decide on their value. So then how are you deciding on how to price up the different tiers? There should be some method. Perpahs Axie plots which is about the same in number.

Anyone here bought land in other games before and can speak to this?

[dusk sail]

Hi, can I purchase land using ETH? or is it exclusive to sILV? also is there a way to purchase sILV if ever?

[plush surge]

purchasable by both ETH and sILV,

[muted moth]

You can buy with both; and sILV can be purchased on secondary market like on uniswap

[dusk sail]

Got it! looking forward to it. Thank you!

[muted moth]

It’s done by Dutch auction; so price will start ridiculously high and then slowly go down until someone decides to buy. So there won’t be bidding

[plush surge]

though some of them do caution the purchase of sILV on secondary market as it is not officially purchasable/ sellable
https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/869632853598699611/882199285033222195

[muted moth]

Yep! Just make sure the contract address matches the one the bot has

[thorny crater]

I’m going eth for mine. I know ill be missing out on the sILV $ change but I’ll save on gas in the long run. Would it be more or less, as of right now idk due to I’m saving up for a one time eth purchase and wont know the gas at the time lol

Do yall buy sILV with USDC or USDT for the upcoming land sale?

[glad laurel]

Only LP I am aware of is an Eth/sILV trading pair.

[thorny crater]

Wait you LP to buy sILV? I see i can go to dextools i think the site is called, and i can buy there

[cosmic aspen]

you could use 1inch or similar to use USDC/USDT to trade for the sILV if you need to

nvm i forgot the sushi sILV pool is gone

[thorny crater]

Huh no clue what that is lol. Ima google it and see. Really should do the math on this.

[glad laurel]

UniSwap is the only Dex I know that has sILV to trade and it is paired with Eth. I don't know if there is any 3rd party app available that will let you buy via stablecoin. If there is, I've never used it.

[cosmic aspen]

you can use USDT(or any other token on uniswap) to buy the sILV directly on uni

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/imdb-comic-con-imdb-comic-con-gifs-kevin-smith-learned-something-imdboat-gif-9790411

[buoyant wasp]

Zerion also can do that , I just do it on Zerion so I don’t have to keep eth

[thorny crater]

I am at the point where I don’t want to spend eth anymore, so if i can do this tonight i 100% will start. Looks like i will too 🤓

[harsh burrow]

What do you mean by that please ? (Sorry for my english i m french 😅)
Do you mean that all the fuel won on the v1 will be lost when v2 os launched ?

[amber apex]

hey guys ive been looking to buy land in a metaverse and someone recommended this

what do we all think?

[swift spear]

Do we think 20 sILV will be enough for Tier 3?

[vivid cipher]

It will have actual use that is detailed and well explained before the land sale begins. And will start soon after the land sale. There’s not a randomization of rarity. You know what you are getting before you buy it. If you think Illuvium will go places the land is a gamified version of the ILV token. Check out the pins. What you will want is probably the tokenomics GDD.

[vivid cipher]

Too soon to know. Because we don’t know how rare anything but t5 will be.

[swift spear]

I'm hoping so but not sure if I'm being naively optimistic 😄

[vivid cipher]

I think deraji has estimated how much sILV he expects to be spent (or at least available to be spent) on the land sale.

[swift spear]

@crimson abyss what are your thoughts?

[thorny crater]

I have it Ibn my mind to get at least one t1-t4

https://tenor.com/view/ill-fight-you-for-it-mickey-oniel-brad-pitt-snatch-ill-box-you-for-it-gif-21722452

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message the spreadsheet here has two pages that are interesting to play around with. I think the cost in sILV estimates in the second page are the lowest value of the lands if compared to ILV. So factor in NFT land hype and I might expect to pay 2-4x that. The sheet does not consider how much sILV is on the market.

Oh I think deraji put sILV estimates in one of his spreadsheets pinned in staking. I’ll look

[amber apex]

thank you guys!

[vivid cipher]

#🥩〕staking message the sheet here says there are currently over 100k ILV rewards unclaimed. That could all become sILV before the land sale.

[errant trench]

so land will carry over after wipe?

[errant trench]

snatch-very good movie! dont underestimate the pikeys!!

[vivid cipher]

The NFTs will not be wiped. But the game progress will be wiped.

[errant trench]

but the use of farming the resources will remain in the normal game? or is it just a visual nft?

[vivid cipher]

The land is used only in the illuvium zero mobile game. Not the main game. The land nfts are to be used to produce fuel tokens for use in the main game. And blueprint nfts for making skinned equipment nfts in the maingame.

[vivid cipher]

Yes. the land will be more useful after the wipe technically. Because only then will it be able to produce erc20 fuel tokens. But all players will start at zero. But nothing will change to the land nft itself or the blueprint nfts players would have produced before the wipe.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-shut-up-take-my-money-money-dollars-gif-3806205

[errant trench]

and will there be land sales after the main game launch? I'm basically trying to see if I need to participate in the upcoming land sales, which I'm sure are going to be bought out at high prices lol.. or maybe I can wait till after wipe..

[cosmic aspen]

yes there will be

5 sales in total iirc, 20k land each time

[errant trench]

hmm, ok. i gots me some deciding to do meow!

thanks @vivid cipher and @cosmic aspen

[vivid cipher]

There will always be land for sale in opensea too I’d think.

[errant trench]

true!

[crimson abyss]

Not sure on how much will be spent, but as @vivid cipher shared, there's currently almost 30k sILV out there, and potentially another 100k that can be claimed (though I predict it will only be a fraction of that). I do firmly believe that at the time of the first auction, the secondary market price of sILV will run up to nearly the price of ILV. Basically, if you're planning to buy land with ETH, and there's enough sILV available cheaper, it makes no sense to not swap ETH for sILV. I'm writing this up and it will be an article/video in the next couple weeks. High level, I think the first auction may be higher prices but a lot of sILV (so potentially lower revdis than some estimate). sILV holders and buyers get the benefit of the market discount, while ETH buyers will get screwed a bit or pay more. That's just my guess.

[unborn pilot]

I think one other thing to factor in with sILV is that there may not be hybrid purchases. So some people may just want to have one or the other. And for huge whales with ETH, they probably can't get as much sILV as they would want so they may just buy things with ETH.

[crimson abyss]

good point @unborn pilot - my above statement is more tuned to how i think Tier 1-3 will go. Tier 4 may and definitely tier 5 will be in ETH due to high price/lack of sufficient sILV.

[mortal merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[crimson abyss]

Nope, I just like assertively guessing 😁 If there's some DAO within a DAO out there secretly acquiring sILV to buy Tier 5, good for them! Let me know if you're accepting more members.

[fallow barn]

Well I think there would have to be more then one DAO out there that is staked in this so it's definitely possible

[crimson abyss]

I'll at least say the current sILV is distributed enough that it's not currently evident. The pending 113k rewards will show if something dramatic happens. There's definitely enough pending rewards that it's possible.

[fallow barn]

Tbh.. I'm in a similar mindset to you. I personally think tier 5 and majority of tier 4 in the first land sale will be eth.
Then the majority of tier 1 - 3 will be sILV... but this is all just personal opinion and speculation

I look forward to seeing what the land sells for.... I can't afford anything at the moment and tbh I probably won't be able to afford any land as after the first 3 sales it will likely start to increase in "base" price. But I'm OK with that. I'm just here to learn and play the game

[loud yew]

Will the prices of the land be released before the launch?

[cosmic aspen]

there are no prices really, it will be in dutch auction format.

this means the price will start astronomically high and decrease automatically, until someone buys.

[loud yew]

ah ya i mean the starting prices... i didnt realize that they start astronomically high tho lol. i was hoping for moderation

[fallow barn]

Starting prices are irrelevant

Well they should be anyway

[cosmic aspen]

they start incredibly high so that it guarantees "the market" actually decides what the price will be

[loud yew]

damn thats going to be crazy, no way of worming myself into this one i think

[fallow barn]

You may be suprised

[loud yew]

key to happiness...low expectations haha. i hope i will be tho

[fallow barn]

I think I remember reading that the land will have different "layouts" so some of the optimal "layouts" should theoretically sell for more the the suboptimal ones...

I could be wrong on this though. Someone with more knowledge could confirm or correct me

[mortal merlin]

You know some clown will buy at the start just like the token lmao

@little moon

[indigo mist]

Love for all u guys , have a good day

[south belfry]

If they do then I hope they pay with eth

[ember hill]

Have they said whether they could do the land sale on IMX? Because I just participated in an NFT mint on IMX and it was super smooth, paid almost no gas. And it was not a dutch auction, just a free for all with 9k minted in 6 minutes. Really amazing

[cosmic aspen]

RIP to the overfunded bot that buys a piece of land immediately

[loud yew]

ya each land will have its own unique make up

[fallow barn]

That's a good thing though...lmao

Maybe not for them

[potent dock]

Going for that T1 ATH forever record, bot style haha

[buoyant wasp]

I will be joining the T1-3 sILV squad hopefully..

[thorny crater]

Dat me if I could🤡

[limpid terrace]

I just know some whale is gonna do that for like $1mil on a t5 plot hahaha

I'm just crunching the numbers right now to figure out how much sILV I need to buy to b able to hopefully buy a t1 or t2 plot

[mortal merlin]

I personally know someome that will buy a T5 before it hits 1M haha

[pulsar dune]

do we have any clue on prices of land?

[cosmic aspen]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[pulsar dune]

lol so your saying i wont be able to afford it lol got it!

[cosmic aspen]

you never know!

[pulsar dune]

lol we are mainly focused on our clan right now

[coarse wave]

Based on the estimated time for the auction it should happen around this month?

[cosmic aspen]

last i heard the land sale date was still TBD from aaron

#💬〕general message

[unborn pilot]

Will sILV be usable in lieu of ETH in IZ? Like for speeding up building or anything else that might cost ETH to do?

[crimson abyss]

If it's a transaction with the DAO, yes. Just not buying from other players on the illuvidex from my understanding

[humble ether]

that's only been confirmed for main game illuvium. i'm also curious on if sILV works in IZ, because so far, I've only heard of ETH being used to speed up building construction

[crimson abyss]

Agreed, but in practice, silv is a gift card to the DAO. There should be no reason if a transaction is purely between a player and the DAO that sILV is not accepted as currency.

[cosmic aspen]

agreed, the more opportunities to spend sILV the better

[ebon blaze]

Will they give us a guide on how to evaluate the lands before the auction or they expect people to bid blind?

[little moon]

They are gonna release an updated document that should have all the information you need before the land sale.

[ebon blaze]

cool. so it will most likely be in announcements.

[unborn pilot]

Is there a limit planned for how many plots of land a single player can build on and operate? This could factor into whether players may prefer to have 10 T1 instead of a single T2 I think

Another question- will it be permissible for players to use a mobile phone emulator to play IZ if they prefer using a desktop?

[vivid cipher]

If a player has multiple wallets and accounts there’s no way to limit it. But I suspect there will be a way to use multiple lands on one wallet/account. How many wouldn’t be decided yet.

[amber atlas]

although we may impose a buy limit during the auction to help give everyone a chance to buy, it is artificial in the sense that anyone can set up multiple wallets, there won't be any limit on how many lands you can play

[amber atlas]

it is very likely we will release a web client too

[swift spear]

It was mentioned that land plots next to each other may come with benefits. Does that mean they will all be mixed up? So it wont be like Land 1-7 is T5, Land 8 - 5000 or whatever is T4 etc? It will be totally random? I guess what I want to know is if its possible buy a T4 next to a T1 for example

[plush surge]

hmm im guessing that there should be a split of T1-T4 among the 7 regions, as there is 1 T5 in each region? unless the different tiers within each region are made to be located next to each other

[amber atlas]

it will be random

[vivid cipher]

Good

But the locations should be known during the sale right?

[amber atlas]

we haven't completely finalized the equation, but generally yes tiers will be distributed equally amongst regions

[amber atlas]

location and tier will be known before you buy yes

[earnest pulsar]

U won’t have to pay to travel to ur own land right?

[amber atlas]

travel is a concept in the main game, the main game does not take place in your own land

[earnest pulsar]

Great!

[long tendon]

When you say location, that would mean what exactly? The type of land it is like carbon, silicon? or coordinates related to the whole planet?

[amber atlas]

the coordinates on the world map

[long tendon]

oh snap! Is there a bearing as to the location/coordinates of the land aside from potential benefits of owning adjacent lots?

[amber atlas]

no

but if you are buying multiple lands adjency is probably pretty important

(unless buying lands in different regions)

[thorny crater]

100% would do it. I get to host arena events and be a GYM leader?!?!?!?

My goal is to get a t1-4 on Brightland Steppes....Will there be a way to trade lands?

[dry plank]

Land will be an NFT so you should be able to sell/buy…not sure about swapping though…

[thorny crater]

oh yeah I was hoping the trade land for land could maybe be a thing in the future. Just a thought.
BUT
idk how crypto is on the creating end if that is even possible

[dry plank]

Who knows, best thing about Illuvium is that it’s a DAO and we can all have a say in its direction!

[upper elm]

silly question maybe, but is the land that will be for sale the same land that will be used in-game once the main game is released?

[amber atlas]

no, each region has a separate area defined for the 'main game' map

[sweet lintel]

Can illuvium zero gas be used for main game traveling?

[crisp blaze]

Fuel from illuvium zero can be used in the main game, yes

[sweet lintel]

Would a crowdloaning bounty board with the gas to allow people to f2e be possible? Players could have a bounty hunter profile and ILZ players could choose to back a bounty hunter based on their profiles to provide them gas.

The bounty hunter would get gas via the crowdloan and pay back with the earnings from selling the rewards

[blissful storm]

Do we have an ETA for land sale? just asking because we cannot claim sILV partially so would like to plan when to do the last claim before land sale

[long tendon]

Same info as before end of month or early november.

[plush surge]

hi guys, will all resources required to construct buildings in v1 be mine-able within the game even for a T1 plot?
since all data will be wiped except for the blueprint nft, thinking about how much additional eth/silv i may be expected to spend to learn how to generate fuel/ create blueprint in case i do manage to get a plot

[lusty crag]

Which currency do I need for buying land as soon as it gets released?

[plush surge]

you can either use ETH or sILV

[shell rose]

ETH or sILV

[lusty crag]

So not with ILV ?

So in case that I‘m buying now a certain amount of ILV - I will be only able to use the sILV I have claimed via staking until the land sale starts … what’s a time disadvantage in relation to others who started to stake earlier.

[plush surge]

you can also buy sILV on the secondary market (e.g. uniswap) which is currently trading at a discount to ILV (sILV is supposed to be pegged 1-1 to ILV) but the risk is that is not officially supported by illuvium so make sure you're using the correct token address if you're doing that

either that or you can just try to time your ETH purchases and use ETH to buy, which I think some of us are thinking of doing

[dense cipher]

Yeah that’s it you can use these instead of sILV

[plush surge]

anyone able to help with this question? or direct me to a resource that has the available info pls

[lusty crag]

Which kind of advantages do I have with owning land - if it’s not part of the main world ?

[ivory bough]

I suggest reading this #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[muted moth]

Basically, you get to mine resources and convert them to fuel which is sold, and then you get something (I think ETH but not positive) for it. I recommend reading the GDD attached in this channel. Not all of it is up to date, but it has lots of good info

[honest willow]

I believe in this first land sale, we can get the land plots with lowest budget. Not just that the price of eth is likely to go up. As people having more and more faith in illuvium, more big guns will show up for the land, makes it harder for people with low budget to get the land plots

[muted moth]

Which is why I stocked up on cheap sILV😂

[honest willow]

Smart move 👀

[glad lodge]

Am i getting it right that there will be 7 different kind of regions spread around each Tier zone?

[muted moth]

It’s more like 5 different tiers spread around each region

[glad lodge]

Ok so basicaly other way around 😄 but thanks

[candid pecan]

With a maximum of 100.000 land sold. Does that mean there is a maximum of 100.000 users that can play the game, besides the free to play land??

[muted moth]

I think technically yes. But it could be even less since some are intending (including myself) to buy more than 1 land

[potent dock]

Maximum of 100k who can play on paid land yes.

Free to play, no limit at all.

[glad lodge]

I have another one 😄 How is it with Illuvials research? Do we know more specifics about how it's possible in Zero?

[potent dock]

Have a look at the pins! JohnnyA has provided a TON of info about game systems.

This is the droid you are looking for #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

That is true. But there may one day be the potential for fractionalizing the land NFTs.

[sharp elk]

I doubt it. What would be the point? There are cheaper lands for those that have lower budgets, or tier zero lands for people who just want to play the game and don’t want to invest.

[unborn pilot]

Thanks for your responses so far. Another thing I'm wondering is if you plan to release information about production rates of each tier of land for fuel prior to the auction. I feel like this would be helpful for giving each tier of land a baseline intrinsic value based on production value, as opposed to people just wildly guessing in the dutch auction. For instance if a T1 land can produce $5 of fuel a day or close to $2k~ a year (after DAO tax and marketplace fees), then I think people may take that into consideration along with other value-adds (like blueprints and other things) when they make their decisions in the auction.

[dawn cradle]

my understanding is you won't be able to spend "real money" until after they wipe the lands. Before the wipe it isn't connected to the blockchain.

[plush surge]

thanks mate!

[mortal merlin]

This

[harsh burrow]

Guys we all agree that T1 tiers won t produce fuel right ? Or dose it has change ?
The only way to get fuel with a T1 would be to change ressources extracted into fuel by paying a certain tax right ?

[swift condor]

T1 can build converter sites to produce fuel

[harsh burrow]

Is this table wrong ?

[dawn cradle]

T1s have no fuel sites themselves. Thus you can't build a fuel extractor which is 15 -20x more efficient than a fuel converter from my understanding for the same space. However, you can still build fuel convertors which generate fuel but at a much lower rate.

[harsh burrow]

Ahhh i didn t know about the fuel convertors/extractors okok thanks budy 👌

Is there a documentation about that ?

[swift condor]

its in on of the recent cofounder videos, lol im not sure which one though they speak about it

[harsh burrow]

He has a YouTube chanel ? 😊

[potent dock]

TBH 90% of the information about IL:Z can be found by using Discord's search function and reading JohnnyA's posts in this channel. He's covered a LOT of the game systems.

[vivid cipher]

The two documents Here are not the most updated but they cover a lot of info that would give a good baseline. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[harsh burrow]

Thanks guys

[fallow sentinel]

Hey guys I've been out of the loop. I'm guessing there isn't a set date on Land Sale?

[muted moth]

Not as of yet; though predicted to be sometime between the end of the month and early November

[fallow sentinel]

sILV can be used for purchasing land right? Hoping I'm remembering correctly hah have some rewards I might just save

[muted moth]

Correct. You can use ETH or sILV. Just not a combo of both

[fallow sentinel]

Shiiiii I know patience is key but the wait is always so painful hahaha

Keiran give us more leakssssss 😆

[muted moth]

For real tho. I’m checking this discord every hour looking for news lol. I know patience is a virtue, but I’ve never been good at that😭

[graceful peak]

Hahahaha i do the same thing. I want to know everything that happens or any juicy information

[thorny crater]

😅 it’s like the 2 weeks before Xmas as a kid. And everyday just draggggs lol

[thorny crater]

Same. I am waiting for the new docs to come out. Would like to make some kind of program to calculate fuel swap profits(but I doubt I won’t be able to until real launch)

[graceful peak]

depending on the cost of converting, it might be worth more to just sell and buy the material/resource neede

[unborn pilot]

I understand the DAO tax on fuel and vault that stores it will help keep fuel prices low, but could a whale in theory come in and buy up enough of the fuel supply that even the DAO runs out of fuel to sell at lower prices and obtain a monopoly that way?

[graceful peak]

I highly doubt that. And even if they did, it will only be for a short period of time

[unborn pilot]

Makes sense. Just a thought haha

[haughty schooner]

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[timid basin]

Land Sale Video Out Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBpaPbbXu4g

[ivory bough]

nice job 🙂 I'll watch it

[unborn pilot]

Nice video @timid basin

[timid basin]

thanks bro!

[thorny crater]

Yeah a lot to calculate. Might. Kw be worth build fuel building on t1s but instead focus on scanning…I think for now this is what I’m thinking

[mellow timber]

Is land and resources finite?

[potent dock]

Paid land is finite at 100k units.
Unpaid land is not finite.
Resources are not finite if you consider an infinite timeframe - There's a limit on how many resources can be produced per unit of time though, if that makes sense.

[grim sparrow]

when is the land sale

[muted moth]

Sometime between the end of October and early November; no set date as of yet

[grim sparrow]

tyty

[thorny crater]

Nice. Couldn’t check in with the Twitter/Pateron it will not register even though I followed you on Twitter/visited the pateron

Ah pateron worked now let@me@try Twitter again

[vivid cipher]

Oh the point made by Aaron was that one day, in a few years maybe, when the demand for land to play on is insane, probably because it’s turning into a full on rts style multiplayer game, there will be millions of people interested in playing IZ as play to earn. So…. The current land owners could choose to break their nfts into multiple identical fractions. And sell what they want. It’s a long road but eventually yeah there could be a point. I else can a play with my kids?

[thorny crater]

Just nope lol. But if I do it outside the glem part I am following you

[sharp elk]

I think it is helpful to remain grounded. Nobody is helped by making ridiculous projections. The scenario that you described is just not going to happen. I’m very optimistic about Illuvium and this Illuvium mini game. I’m just not an 18 year old meme coin ‘investor’ who needs to be told that something will 100x or they will lose interest…

[vivid cipher]

These are not projections. They are visions for the future of the DAO. 100k to 1m is 10x “supply” not actual increase in value.

[potent dock]

Doing a land split isn't really a moonboi prediction, it's a logical solution to a scarcity of land without hurting OG investors.

I don't think pelican was saying that it's gonna 100x or anything like that, just that if there's a need for more land at some point because of future games, there are solutions.

[thorny crater]

All I know for sure is I’m trying to buy land ASAP. Just like any neighbor when I used to sell houses for builders. The first house(plot of land)is the cheapest and the last house is the most expenses

[potent dock]

It's no more far fetched than a token split or something like that IMO. I honestly don't think the team will design around the economy needing more than 100k land though. It could be integrated, but it should never be necessary to play.

[sharp elk]

Let’s hope there will be ‘millions of people’ playing Illuvium zero. I will enjoy being rich. No complaints from me. If there are millions of people playing the mini game, I assume that means there would be 10s of millions playing the main game. Great. My ‘lobster’ investment will be worth millions and I can retire and buy a yacht… absolutely no complaints from me. BUT do not base any investment decisions on speculation like this… it’s just not responsible. You may understand the reality, but what about other less experienced people who take these comments literally. Anyway it’s all good. We can all meet up in Monaco on our yachts next year. 🙂

[timid basin]

DM me

[mellow timber]

Thanks mate, yes this makes good sense.

I wonder how the marketplace will look for resources. Will they act as NFTs or tokens we can buy and sell from a pool?

[potent dock]

I think tokens, but if it's possible to do stuff as NFTs that would be awesome, because we could keep it on IMX.

Either that or IMX can potentially support Fuel tokens in the future.

[mellow timber]

I guess from an investment point of view the gamble is, how many players will there be that want to buy resources directly vs the supply of resources available for sale.

At what point do these resources become scarce.

My other confusion is that I read that players will be able to buy land to host battles. When my first assumption was that land is only available for purchase within Illuvium zero the mobile game.

[livid tundra]

what you may have read is that tier 5 lands have (or can have) a stadium build on them which is used for certain tournaments in which the host would receive revenue from the tournament for hosting it there

[tulip phoenix]

dutch action actually scares me, because you never know when in really were to buy

and give advantage to whales, because the price start higher and they take all the units that they wannt

[echo swift]

Well you may miss out on some land, but if you stake you will get the revenue from the sale.

[tulip phoenix]

yeah i'm staking and the rev is interesting but in really i really also want a land too, not sure if it will possible with the dutch auction style

[muted moth]

Yea it’s good either way; the whales buy it all at a high price and we get a lot of revdis, or they don’t and we get to buy land. Win win. Obviously I’d prefer to buy land but I’m happy with either

[echo swift]

I think most of us are in the same boat. We all want a slice of the land sale. Hope we all get one, but if we don't we have something to fall on too

[tulip phoenix]

i think it should be a really nice idea have some proper number of lands reserved for example for stackers at a fixed price, let's say from t1 to t4 and let t5 all out for whales

it would give some early adopters be part of the land sale without completely be in the whale manipulation for the dutch auction

[muted moth]

Ok but they can’t distinguish who is who. Like a whale can stake no problem

[tulip phoenix]

They could limit one land per wallet only for the people that are stacking for example

[echo swift]

Rather not do that. You limit the amount of people coming into the sale and losing out on Revs

[tulip phoenix]

This will happen anyway because you can buy it with sILV and sILV will not give you Revs

[echo swift]

But then someone could make multiple wallets and stake. Too easy to get around it

[muted moth]

I agree; and as far as one wallet, there’s nothing to prevent them from just buying on multiple wallets

[muted moth]

Yes, but every time sILV is used it prevents the minting of ILV which reduces supply in the long run

[tulip phoenix]

Then they could set a fixed amount of time for stacking, if you stake for at least. let's say 60 days you will be able too get one land per wallet

[muted moth]

That still doesn’t solve the problem of multiple wallets tho; you would just have that 60 day timer on all of the different wallets

[tulip phoenix]

this is just me talking and give some ideas, i'm not totally against the land sale itself but i think

[echo swift]

with these ideas, people will lose out no matter what. I for one would rather a free market

[muted moth]

Me too

[tulip phoenix]

it's easy to solve, you just determine for example wallets are only eligible if you are stacking from X day, basically if you create new wallets and stacked after that date you can't be eligble

[little moon]

The goal of the land sale is just to generate as much profit as possible. The team has been pretty clear from the start about not wanting to give too much advantage to the early adopters. Otherwise we end up with a monopoly like in axie.

[muted moth]

I guess, but I don’t think it’s worth it

[tulip phoenix]

From 100k land, i think if the team reserved let's say 10k maximu for earlier adopters that doesn't show any monopoly at all

but it is what it is, i just think that the dutch auction isn't the best solution, but i will try to participate anyway

[echo swift]

agreed, us early adopters are getting the higher yield from staking as our reward.

[little moon]

Its a pretty huge benefit for stakers because they not only get discounted lands, they also get all the money everyone else spent on lands. IMO its fine to have an even playing field. The advantage early adopters have is that they could have been collecting sILV this whole time from staking rewards.

[tulip phoenix]

i understand that and agree with your points, i just don't think that the dutch auction is the best option, i don't know what everyone else thinks, but in my opinion is just to easy for whale manipulation.

[little moon]

What do you mean by whale manipulation? Like they are gonna buy everything at high prices?

[echo swift]

There could be people coming in now or in the coming month that are willing to invest big $$$$ into ILV for the years. Rather not miss out on that to please the few that found it a few months earlier.

[tulip phoenix]

they are going to buy mostly at higher prices and the best land's, we never know how much left over are after they are done with their buying

[little moon]

Great, I hope they buy them all at over $10,000 a piece. That would be incredible hype for Illuvium.

[tulip phoenix]

ok

[hexed abyss]

Maybe just a rule built into the game, but what is stopping people from building fuel-convertors on T0 land I wonder?

[muted moth]

I think they might be able to, its just the fuel made will not be mintable, therefore unable to be sold. Or there may not even be an option for T0

[woven gate]

Will land in the first land sale have utility in the actual illuvium game or is it just for illuvium zero?

[muted moth]

Just for IZ

[woven gate]

Would the land not have that much value then in comparison to land for the actual game?

[sweet lintel]

The land can produce gas which can be used for main game

[muted moth]

So there is no land for the actual game that is ownable; and yes the land does make fuel for the main game, but the land itself is not a part of the main game

[woven gate]

Oh thanks! So the utility is tied to the real game. I think I read previously there would be other land sales in the future, will these not be ownable areas of land in the real game either?

[plush surge]

i think the first land sale is not going to be for the full 100k plots, so future land sales are for the balance of the 100k not sold in the first land sale; i.e. also part of IZ, not main game

[sweet lintel]

First batch gonna be 20k plots and rest gonna be auctioned in 4 more batches

[woven gate]

Awesome. That makes me more inclined to buy land in this sale then. I was thinking that I might be buying land for the minigame, and then later on other people would be buying land for the actual game which would be more valuable than what I had bought

[coarse wave]

Thanks Jeff. 🙂 Looking forward to the next update on ETA.

[woven gate]

Sounds like a large supply of land plots, are people concerned about land not being that scarce and becoming diluted with ongoing land sales? I’ve never purchased land before so the supply and demand dynamics are a bit unfamiliar

[plush surge]

i believe axie also had a 100k plot of land.. not sure how the landowners are faring but many of the players involved seem to be doing decent. Look at the recent price pump of AXS as well ><
Most in this channel are more afraid of not being able to buy land due to them being snatched up by whales so may not be the best avenue to ask that hahaha. That said, its always a risk mate
Edit: Never purchased land before myself, so excited but also a bit wary

[buoyant wasp]

Wow sILV is now sub 200, tempted to buy more

[little moon]

is there any risk buying sILV?

[buoyant wasp]

Yes, it is only use for in game and land sales, so if you buy and didn’t get land , you will be stuck with it till game launch

[little moon]

yes understand this side of it, im thinking from an exchange side of things is it secure

which exchange do you use?

[buoyant wasp]

The exchange is use uniswap..

[humble ether]

it was sub 200. then someone bought 98 and a bunch was removed from the LP. sads

[buoyant wasp]

Shit I was just waiting for my fund to transfer from my CEX , can’t it just wait like 5mins? Haha

[little moon]

thanks, so 1 sILV will = 1 ILV and the price of sILV is significantly cheaper. It seems to good to be true doesnt it?

[lean wadi]

was hovering around $198 for a bit https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

[buoyant wasp]

Well you can’t stake it so it’s use is limited ..Also the price is Low because this is the only way early investors can liquidate their return

[little moon]

ok got it, thanks.

[gusty frigate]

so the purchase of land can only use SLV only?

[buoyant wasp]

You can use eth

[minor pilot]

can you use a combination of both e.g if you dont have quite enough sILV just top it off with eth

[gleaming carbon]

Not sure if this is possible..

[minor pilot]

do you think it will be possible to buy multiple lands per wallet ?

[gleaming carbon]

I think you have to use sILV OR ETH and yes probably will, but it's not announced yet

[minor pilot]

ok tyvm for the help

[muted moth]

Just double checking, but the prices for lands will be in USD correct?

[little moon]

well you will be buying them with either eth of sILV

[muted moth]

Right yea, but the prices will be displayed in USD right? It just makes it easier for me to think about

[lusty crag]

Around which time the land sale is going to happen - of Illuvium zero ?

[muted moth]

No set date yet, but sometime around the end of the month to early november

[opal thistle]

Yes, prices will be in USD

[muted moth]

Ok that’s what I thought thanks!

[terse peak]

did u manage to buy the sub200 again???

[buoyant wasp]

Nope it was gone as it take time to transfer eth from my CEX haha

[random wolf]

Is the land and NFT? (I did not see in the pinned comments).

[buoyant wasp]

Oh wait it dropped again , missed out again due to work:(

[buoyant wasp]

Yes

[random wolf]

And sILV for purchase are on Uniswap?

[buoyant wasp]

yes on uniswap

[vivid cipher]

It’s like a coupon… a discounted gift card. It happens all the time in the gaming world.

[lone pumice]

will zero remains in the mobile platform even during the release of the main game or everything will be transferred to the PC.

[cosmic aspen]

illuvium zero will always be playable on mobile not sure if it will eventually become playable on the browser

[muted wadi]

Is timeline still gameplay trailer and then landscape after?... thinking about getting a couple ilv to flip after trailer price pump into eth to purchase land. Any thoughts on this strategy?

[thorny crater]

My phone will never be off. Rip to my battery

[narrow remnant]

Still no date for land sale?

[ivory vine]

Not yet, no 🙂

[narrow remnant]

Rough estimate is around November this year right?

[ivory vine]

Seems to be about right without being able to confirm it for sure 🙂

[narrow remnant]

Noted, thanks.