🎮〕illuvium-zero

[tardy falcon]

everywhere

I don't think team would test into top 5 😅

that would be a waste of dao dollars

[bold field]

Who can tell me how many lands this guy has? I have 3 1-2-3Tier so he must have at least 50 and all 3-4 tiers.

I mean the top 5 leaderboard especially the leader

[tardy falcon]

For real… rank one killin it

Could be fadi

Idk tho

[harsh dew]

Fuel creates price are stupid now... this mean the demand in Fuel will explode!!!! Happy time to burn fuel. Can't wait to see the data, we can already see the SPIKE!!!!!

[radiant sky]

🙃

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/chingawhat-machete-teloresumo-gif-13273353

[tardy falcon]

Rainy day fund 😄

[bold field]

Unfortunately, this does not make us very happy due to the helplessness of the earth at this stage.

[harsh dew]

yhea, it's just a game and no real utility in life....

[tardy falcon]

That’s why we play… because we all need a reprieve from the world at times

[flint compass]

Anyone have a link for this data?

[oblique iris]

how many crypton solon etc.. do I need to burn in order to get 1 of unified fuel ???

I burned some a month ago... not much but I didn't get anything back

[harsh dew]

There no link yet, but it's will be on my personnal projet illuviVault (not live yet)

[fair temple]

You gonna buy all of that worth in d1sks? You could probably aim for rank 1 with that

[glacial garnet]

Thats ilz fuel it will give him couple $ at most

[fair temple]

Fair enough.

[thorny crater]

I have 7 plots from t1,2, and one t3
2- are for BPs only and i keep 500 fuel at all time(t2/t3)
5-i give 100% collect/burn each week.

Here are my numbers

Some days i do forget to collect tho

So around that 4k spot is where i should be each week

[radiant sky]

Maybe i get enough to buy a Standard disk 😄

[pure fable]

are you on the leaderboard?

[harsh dew]

from 6k to 10k in 1hour on the weekly Fuel Revenue

[radiant sky]

what's advanced payment?

[radiant sky]

hmm...
so what payment is there in the "daily fuel revenue" chart, where you exclude "advanced payment" and "stripe"?

[harsh dew]

yeah, the this chart is not inclusing both type of payment "advanced payment" and "stripe"

min

[radiant sky]

maybe i understand it wrong.
Afaik there is just advanced payment or stripe (or the fuel crates/redeem codes which generate no revenue), right?
But there you say stripe and advanced payment is excluded, so i wondered what the 3. option is which can generate revenue with fuel sales.

[harsh dew]

yes. 1 min plz

need to look at database

https://tenor.com/view/mineberry-staff-explaining-adi-kan-gif-22342744

[harsh dew]

ok Found it! lol
It's from the new Unified fuel wallet.
https://immutascan.io/address/0xbb7d2d46352ad21e4dfc07db90c9bd1ec2dbb177?chartTab=TradeVolume&tab=0

[radiant sky]

so that's the wallet where basically all payment flows in when Illuvium is selling fuel?
wouldn't it be then advanced payment + stripe included?

[vivid cipher]

Stripe payments are not on any chain.

[radiant sky]

and is silv2 counted as revenue in your chart?

[vivid cipher]

Advanced payments are on numerous other chains. But not on immutable X.

[harsh dew]

yes see bottom right and follow the purple colors it's all SILV2

[radiant sky]

right

i think i got it now 😅

[harsh dew]

I did use Stipe payment and it's super easy and fast to use! I enjoyed the service!

[radiant sky]

but that chart is in usd, right?

[harsh dew]

The solid line represents values in USD, while the dotted line above shows the same in ETH.

[radiant sky]

and since you list here silv2, i was wondering if it gets calcualted in in the chart above which is in usd.
or is that chart just ETH/usdc purchases showed as usd

[harsh dew]

all those questions lol

[radiant sky]

right...didn't catch that dotted line 😄

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sorry-im-sorry-stitch-apologetic-gif-11297488457718237801

[harsh dew]

min

[radiant sky]

no worries... nvm me... i should actually be rebuilding my plots anyways, and not stealing your time 😄

[harsh dew]

here you answer

going back to play some OW now 😄

[twilit path]

What is the best cost/benefit land tier to buy now? Tier 2?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hope-you-enjoy-it-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-hope-you-like-it-hope-you-appreciate-it-hope-you-love-it-gif-21430448

[twin sequoia]

It depends on your objectives. T1 and T2 are the cheapest and T3 also got very cheap these days (again)

[spring void]

When do we have to get our fuel burns submitted by to benefit from the wave 4 revenue?

[twin sequoia]

Actual burn cycle ends tomorrow, so it will include revenue for the first 28h. Next cycle will include revenue for the next week, and so on.

[foggy sage]

wtf so this week there was hella money spent on fuel?

[radiant sky]

ya... beyond wave 4 just launched

[thorny crater]

Probaley not. I haven’t looked at it at all. I just mostly lurk in the chats now-a-days and see how its going

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hell-gif-17616758730413313573

[spring void]

So if the cycle ended right now and we've seen $55k of revenue then land would get 5% of that and then each players share would be whatever % of total fuel we burned? So lets say .1% so that'd be like $2.75. Is my math correct?

[tardy falcon]

something like that yep

[spring void]

Ouch, that sucks but it is what is i guess

Do we have to actually claim that or is it airdropped into our passport wallet for no gas fees

[tardy falcon]

you get it on the reward dashboard

can claim it in eth or fuel

[serene iris]

Do you have a website or something with all this info?

[steel solstice]

were can I find the zero leaderboard?

[harsh dew]

not live yet, but i'm working on my personnal projet called illuviVault.

[radiant sky]

zero leaderboard is just ingame available.
push that button to see the leaderboard:

[flint compass]

What do you mean by the first 28 hours? It only includes the first 28 hours per week?

[harsh dew]

I's good for those who bought Alpha, but yeah, it doesn't seems to be that popular

we might see a spike near the end of the timer

[flint compass]

I don't expect to see higher lows sustained until all the big changes comes to OW. I feel like that is the flagship of the games and without it's popularity it hurts everything else.

[serene ingot]

Hmm its not perse horrible. This just means the Alpha's end up being more rare.

Its the first time we had both types go on sale simultaneously.
The amount of money spend in the first day etc is fairly similar,(afaik) there's just less appetite for Alphas right now and people choose to buy more d1sks instead of the rare ones. 🙂

[foggy sage]

big ballin

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[tardy falcon]

went ahead and burned it all

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky go kraken, burn)

[rose thicket]

dang

[radiant sky]

already burned some 😄

[uneven pulsar]

i am too

[radiant sky]

so you guys are responsible for my share shrinking

[rose thicket]

dude, you are going for the gold. buying up plots left and right.

[uneven pulsar]

nope only cheap adn profit, i don't wanna invest in iluv)

[rose thicket]

make two of us, but hard to justify paying my power bill with the yield generated to date.

[rotund reef]

Has anyone else noticed this week that it's been a lot easier to get top-tier biodata?? Like I hadn't caught a Ramphyre or Adorious this entire time, but I got two of each this week, amongst other 5/3s and 4/3s. Very unusual. I hope they didn't make it easier on purpose and dilute the biodata we do have.

[serene ingot]

Not at all whats being said?
What we see is that there's less buying on Alpha's but money spent is close to the same in the 24h last time, just spent on a different product

[uneven pulsar]

yeap i save fuel long time

[pseudo pulsar]

Gauntlet leviathan 3/8

[rose thicket]

why is the revenue generated not reported to the dao transparently? do you know of any initiative at labs that is being worked on for this to change wtih stripe now being a major component?

[radiant sky]

it did't change.
The more biodata you get, the less are in your "still-obtainable-pool", while the successrate always stays the same.
So the more you fill up your biodata collection, the more stage 3 biodata will drop.
Basically if you found all s1/s2 biodata, there is just s3 biodata left to find for you... or if you found all t1-t4 biodata, there's just t5 biodata left for you...

source?
last time i checked, over 50% of the staked tokens were from ILV.
Even tho it has been a while, i doubt that there have been many new stakers accumulated according to the token price...

that depends on the amount of tokens that are staked from the treasury and investors.
If only tokens from treasury are staked and all investors stopped staking, they receive 100% of the revenue

well 95% since 5% goes to zero

i'm not making numbers up.
You said they ned 2.5m to break even with a burn of 500k.
That's why i asked for a source.

I just provided an example and the number last time i looked it up was significantly different to what you presented now. Which raised a questionmark for myself...
Throwing arround wild numbers without any backing doesn't help anyone.

that might be right that it was 15% or 8% back then.... but things change.
I would appreciate it if you wana throw arround numbers they are somewhat accurate.
Or mention that you just make assumptions or throw arround wild numbers 🙂

i'm not upset at all 🙂
and i'm not arguing with you that there's enough revenue made or not.

I'm just saying that if you throw in numbers into a discussion they should be somewhat accurate.

[radiant sky]

where did you clearly conced that the numbers you used were from when the release first came out?

i can repeat myself
i don't want to argue with you about anything.
i just would appreciate if numbers are correct when presented

[celest wagon]

The best time to sell your fuel is the launch of Beyond?

[severe oracle]

Hi, I've been off for a few months and wanted to check in on whether there is light at the end of the tunnel for land holders (and I guess Illuvium in general then)?

[atomic cove]

there is light at the end of the tunnel! But we're still in the tunnel 🥲

[severe oracle]

what does the light look like and how long is the tunnel? 😄

[atomic cove]

landholders will have to hang on until the MMO is released to see meaningful changes. Hopefully things start turning around then.

[severe oracle]

sounds like a long hold. Any tentative timeline on that? Totally agree that the team has to produce a game that people want to play on scale

[atomic cove]

they're aiming for end of this year. But safe to bet on 2026.

[unkempt kettle]

Any link where I can track the leaderboard and the „Jackpot“ for the fuel burn?

[radiant sky]

how are they turning arround with the mmo?

[atomic cove]

https://tenor.com/view/car-nope-turning-back-going-back-turn-back-gif-23660450

[tardy falcon]

In the game there are some analytics

[radiant sky]

would be nice to get some kind of townhall or whatever about the MMO with some high level design info, since both trevor and steven have had some time to settle in and get an overview.
All the sneak peaks we got so far show rangers either with none or 1 illuvial, there were talks about making mmo f2p. I also meant to read somewhere that MMO will replace the current OW, which would imply that Illuvials will be minted in that apparently f2p MMO.
With leviathan modes for arena getting postponed until massive onboarding, i myself am more and more concerned about value decreasing of ingame assets aswell as fuel not really needed anymore in future besides cosmetics.

[atomic cove]

hopefully there'll be a townhall soon to clarify things for the community. I agree with u, there's still a lot of uncertainty floating around.

[radiant sky]

yea, uncertainty is kind of the word of 2024/2025 😄

Would also be nice to get info as soon as possible, about that "land cosmetics revamp proposal" they talked about in imc something like 2 months ago

[twin sequoia]

Didn´t know about this

Alpha D1sk are on sale untill sold out or do they stop selling after 24h?

[radiant sky]

Can Check imc Meeting minutes

[radiant sky]

They do Stop in not even 1h according to the announcement
#📣〕announcements message

[twin sequoia]

Ok, then I rightly bought 1

Know thinking on how much fuel should I burn. I don´t have as much as you, not even near

4M burnt until now, not much more than usual

[radiant sky]

Actually haven't paid too much attention to that yet.
I'm also still uncertain how much i should Burn 😄

[unkempt kettle]

Found it; what does count for the leaderboard? Elements and/or fuel?

[radiant sky]

Check pins 🙂

[silver plover]

How many Tier1 owners have all 130 biodata? I’m one away on one land and curious if I’m doing well or just part of the pack at this point.

[twin sequoia]

I don´t think much T1 have all. Until the science nerf it was not easy to do science on a T1.

[slender heath]

Does everyone that burns fuel gain rewards? Or is it just the top fuel burners? I havnt recieved any rewards from previous burns

[radiant sky]

check:
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[slender heath]

👍🏻

Has a distributing message under claimed message that won't finish, that normal?

[twin sequoia]

I´m scared! all my plots have dissapeared

I can (still at least) see them in my profile, but not in the game, PC or mobile

[woven tangle]

all mine are gone now to whats going on

[flint compass]

Same here.

[foggy bison]

Me too

[flint compass]

Ok. Well I can at least see them in my wallet. That's all that matters.

Just gotta wait for the backend service / UI fix.

[twin sequoia]

Same than me, they are in the wallet. Hope it is not something too serious

[flint compass]

Serious in my book is if they are missing from my wallet. Outside of that it's something they can fix.

[twin sequoia]

Ok, there they are again 🙂

[flint compass]

Did you relog when you saw them again?

[radiant sky]

relog doesn't seem to help... at least in my case

i guess it's gona be fixed soon

[random cobalt]

Goodness... just happened to me too

[twin sequoia]

Not the first time. Then I went directly to passport to check there. When I tried again it worked

[flint compass]

I just relogged. Didn't help me either.

[twin sequoia]

In the meantime I had a session error when writting the email code

probably there was a "massive" error with sessions. May be synchronization at 00.00 or something like that

They disappeared again, after collecting one of them...

[sage bough]

Nope don't think I'm close on that end. My best plot might be around 70 or 80.

[twin sequoia]

I´m in the plot but when loading plots

[sage bough]

Also having issues viewing my plots on login.

[twin sequoia]

let´s do another thing. I wake up in less than 6h

[woven tangle]

lol

[flint compass]

I clicked on my free plot, which I had never done before. It was the only one showing. Afterwards, I went to the menu, clicked plots, and the rest loaded. Sharing incase it works with anyone else.

[whole spear]

Ok guys

Checking

Thanks

[rose thicket]

Rich, this has been a recurring issue over the last 72 hours.

[whole spear]

Thanks m8

Will check with backend team

[twin sequoia]

The first time for me, and I´m connected a lot

[radiant sky]

first time for me too and i'm connected more 😄

[rose thicket]

that is becasue you got all of those nice high valued land plots 😉

[twin sequoia]

Loading the free plot also worked for me

[rose thicket]

they must be coming after me to keep me behind @radiant sky on the LB

[radiant sky]

i have no doubt i will vanish from top ranks as soon as rewards go live 😄

[rose thicket]

kind of hoping it remains bugged for another 97 mins

[twin sequoia]

Didn´t this week? oh

[radiant sky]

no, there will be an announcement when rewards go live

or did i miss it? 😅

[flint compass]

Fake support is DMing. Just be aware of that crap. Freaking vultures.

[twin sequoia]

No, you didn´t. But I thought they were ready this week. I´ve been wasting fuel testing not 100% efficient converters 😦 ~53 per cycle

[radiant sky]

oh well... at least not much 😄

[twin sequoia]

here we gooo

like flies to honey

He even called me 🙂

[whole spear]

Tell him no habla Englis

[radiant sky]

anyones points are totally off aswell for the leaderboard?
i got roughly 1/3 of the points i should have gotten.

[tardy falcon]

claiming rn will lyk

[tardy falcon]

looks like it's just taking a while to update

check your points again

[radiant sky]

yea i just noticed

might be some hiccup same as with the land list couple hours ago

[rose thicket]

is this duration similar to wave 3? I have totally ignored beyond up to this point.;

[vivid cipher]

Yeah 3 months has been typical.

[quasi canyon]

How do i get more points toward leaderboard, and whats the benefit of being high on the ILZ leaderboard?

[iron laurel]

ILV rewards are given.

[proven wharf]

Where can I check my ranking

[tardy falcon]

@harsh dew ^^^

[radiant sky]

ingame
hit that button

[proven wharf]

I didn't express myself clearly. I just wanted to check my ranking last week

[radiant sky]

don't think that's possible.
let me check

[proven wharf]

Thank you. Thank you for your trouble

[radiant sky]

there will be a snapshot posted tomorrow.

[copper inlet]

if you had distribution below 1 cent this can happen, can you send me a ticket, devs can revert it #❓❓〕support

[harsh dew]

I will take that as a compliment, Thanks you

[hardy brook]

I don't press this button anymore. It's always depressing when I do 😅

[radiant sky]

i like it currently... need to enjoy it as long as i can 😄

[hardy brook]

Nice! Well if you're in contention for rewards then sure, press away.

I still think it would have been better for us all to be earning raffle tickets with these points and to raffle off the ILV. Works well for gauntlet

[radiant sky]

Not sure about that.
Some people started buying plots again, some more might start buying later when their ranking drops.
That increases floorprices and should all but especially the low tier owners give a little happyness.
Also built up plots from all tiers sell now for a nice premium, so people with not much funds could buy floorprice plots and build them up and earn.

Raffle likely woulnd't have had the same impact.

[hardy brook]

Yeah I get it, if it's having a positive effect then fair enough. I'm more just talking from my own selfish perspective 😅. Feels bad to have bought two expensive plots from the land sale and not be able to compete. I'm simply not going to spend anymore money on IZ at this point. In it's current state IZ is a financial failure for me. I play in hope revenue will pick up one day.

[radiant sky]

also not sure how much impact raffle actually has in gauntlet.

In gauntlet you have like

• double the leaderboard rewards for 1/10 the playerbase.
• free fuel you can get every game
• Raffle tickets you get (again raffle with a 1/10 playerbase)

Not sure how the activity would look like if you just get raffle tickets.

[radiant sky]

yea i totally get that sentiment.

[radiant sky]

but with 2 plots and active gameplay, you should actually be on the board, no?
did't pay attention to what points are needed for top 50, but i feel that should be doable

[hardy brook]

I seem to average around 250th. I could improve this slightly with some optimisation but in reality I'm not getting anywhere close to top 50.

[radiant sky]

your converters are active?

[hardy brook]

Yeah, there's a lot I could do to improve my output though. I've just not got round to doing it yet. Playing gauntlet is more worthwhile for me. I'm away from my PC for a whole week next week though so I might optimise my plots then. I've still got scanners even though I've collected everything for example 😅

[radiant sky]

yea, also thinking about getting back into gauntlet again.

rewards are not too shabby in there in total

[near wadi]

It is necessary to update the land data in the product card, what buildings are available, and so on.
this is to the list of small tasks that you voiced above)

[mellow timber]

Hello, I have a few questions, regarding zero. 1. is the fuel you mine for on the land you purchase the same fuel we use in overworld? 2. where is the best place to purchase a plot? sorry if this is not the correct channel to ask I'm still figuring everything out and I want to be sure I'm investing my money in the correct game.

[radiant sky]

what product card?
You talking about the Zendesk guide? (which definetly needs some updates.)

[plucky oyster]

Hi where can i learn about credits

[radiant sky]

Good afternoon, ser

1. It is not the same fuel. In zero you have 3 different types of fuel (solon, crypton, hyperion) which you need to build structures and can burn it to earn a share of the 5% of the total revenue made with digital product sales. (alse need it to earn leaderboard points currently, can check pins for that info). The reward you get with burning fuel, you can either collect as eth or as unified fuel (+20% bonus if claimed as unified fuel). The Unified fuel is what you use for all other stuff in the ecosystem outside of Zero.
2. I would say the official marketpace, the Illuvidex, since the fees are the lowest there.

[mellow timber]

Thank you that answers my question, so it worth it to purchase a plot... I know its not fast but passive income or fuel in my case to catch more 🙂

[radiant sky]

Credits can be used for:

• Activity speed-ups (such as construction & plant removal)

• Purchasing additional builder slots.

There are several ways to obtain Credits in Illuvium: Zero, completing goals ingame as well as in-game purchases.

[radiant sky]

The profit, either claimed in ETH or Unified fuel is connected with the revenue Illuvium generates.
Which is unfortunately currently quite low, so you won't be able to get a significant amount of unified fuel out of a couple lands.

[mellow timber]

I appreciate the information, I will consider it when I make my decision.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[near wadi]

Illuvidex, I mean, it will be useful to have information there about the state of the land, whether there are buildings or not, kind.

[radiant sky]

aah,
you want to see that data on the Illuvidex?
kinda like a little "Zero-wiki" similar to what there is on Zendesk?

[near wadi]

no, I would like to see progress on the sites... the land is being sold, what is built on it, why the price has been raised... after all, the further we develop, the higher the prices will be, but there is no information other than what kind of land it is...

but zero-wiki is also a useful function.. especially with different strategies..

[radiant sky]

Aaah, yes.
Desperately needed.

Already put it on the list when i edited it.

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wicked horizon]

Found 2 Rhamphyre armor pieces this AM 👀

[foggy sage]

can we also make a "an Expert mode" where i no longer get the warning about my silo being full when i collect a resource

[thick trail]

@twin sequoia These fuel amounts are the Unified Fuels that you wrote in land-dex?

[foggy sage]

and also just make it so the converters auto collect when you claim and their passively conversion is fully complete

ideally the goal should be for a complete collection to take under 10 seconds per plot of land at all times

[tough plume]

Hey guys, i'm back on Illuvium Zero after some months. I'm logging in on ILV 0 on my iPhone with my Immutable Passport but i only see the trial Land and not the one that i own. Any idea how to fix it? Thks in advance

[mossy sorrel]

is there a way to navigate to the rewards page? or can i only find it in the old announcements?

also.. i got dropped a border... is there any info on how i could possible get more of those?

[vague summit]

Hamburger at the top right, then this.

Er, three dots I guess? Not so much a hamburger... 🙂

[mossy sorrel]

haha, i got it, thanks

[radiant sky]

a toggle on/off button would indeed be nice

[mossy sorrel]

do we still get points when we're full. or only if we actually collect?

[sage bough]

Just to compare to my T1s. I only have had two scanners going, probably should have added more when they dropped the cost but I hit a pretty big fuel wall with upgrading the scanners up to T5. The T1s just don't generate a lot of fuel.

And only relatively recently started scanning for BPs.

Data banks have also been an issue, they seem to fill every 10 or so biodata.

[silver plover]

Ya it takes a while to get things to tier 5, I have 4 scanners on each my T1 but now need to shift to blueprints on the one. Also need to start upgrading storage for resources.

[stiff skiff]

When will the game leaderboard rewards of IZ?

[jaunty rain]

hi guys, how is the revenue distribution payed out? i cant find it under "rewards"

*of burning fuel

[tardy falcon]

Will be in rewards tab

[jaunty rain]

so it has not been payed out?

[tardy falcon]

I’d guess that distribution might take a little longer because it deals with multiple revenue streams that need to be calculated and consolidated

[thick trail]

Anyone know this? 😄 Or am I invisible?

[rose thicket]

What? The kingfish said it would be automated and almost instant. But nothing about transparency on revenue? For some reason, that question seems to always get ghosted...

[spiral turtle]

Whats the schedule or cycle for fuel burning? Beginning and end? Is there a place to see a clock or countdown on when the cycle ends?

[wide bobcat]

Hi guys, is there a guide as to how to climb the leaderboard? I play a lot still not even in the top 100. cant seem to understand what I am doing wrong.

[viscid bolt]

For the Zero Leaderboard, what does the number next to the illuvium symbol mean under "Total". Looking at it, it would imply that that is the number of ILV gained, but I know that would be ridiculous.

[spiral turtle]

There's only so much you can move up. There are players with tons of land. Producing at levels most players cant touch. Only thing you can do is ensure you collect as soon as your production is complete, fit in as many converters as you can.. and you're doing all you can. But there's 100% a ceiling based on how much land you have. For 1 example I have a MegaCity plot but its made up of 3x T1 and 1x T3. I fall in the 150-200 on the leaderboard. Ill never get higher without buying more land

[tawdry plank]

Points you gained. 1 point for 1 unit of fuel and 1 point for 500 000 of resources.

[tawdry plank]

You can see it in game. Under "Burn fuel" button.

[tawdry plank]

Can you ask your question again? Not sure what you talking about.

[tawdry plank]

It's very simple. Harvest as much fuel as you can. Conversion counts as well. So put as many fuel converters at max efficiency on your plot as you can and convert them every 6 hours back and forth. If you have only one plot, it won't get you far. Not even T4. You need multiple plots to be in top 50. Hope that helps.

[spiral turtle]

Nothing there for me? Oh ok I see it now. Under the other Burn Fuel button. lol

[radiant sky]

leaderboard rewards started this cycle

[radiant sky]

i don't really understand the question, can you elaborate a bit?
seems you are reffering to a post i can't find.

[radiant sky]

not that i'm aware of, maybe you find something in #🎨〕community-content
The rules are pretty simply tho, check pins for what grants you points on the leaderboard.

(also note, points are accumulated accountwide. So, the more land you own, the more points you get.)

[radiant sky]

It's just leaderboard points.

[lyric lodge]

I still thinking have a building on zero that gives land owners a chance of finding a rare ilvuitar for that region will be great or even a building that allows landowners to get the chance of getting a megadisk
this will bring more use and value to land @whole spear like would that be hard to actually do at some point in the future ? Thanks !

[thick trail]

Producing fuel daily. So Solon+Hyperion+Crypton= daily fuel or this means the burned fuel -> Unified producing /day.

[radiant sky]

i still can't really follow what info you are looking for 😄

might help if you link the post you are reffering to

[thick trail]

So is this Unified fuel or just the total Solon+Hyperion+Crypton?

[radiant sky]

total solon+hyperion+crypton

you can't produce unified fuel in zero

[thick trail]

Thank you

I know, but you can burn these

I thought that you can see the final amount too (burnt fuels in Unified)

[radiant sky]

no, cause that depends on revenue

[thick trail]

Then a 200 total means how much?

About…

[radiant sky]

can't really say that, since it's revenue dependend.
last cycle with beyond launch excluded and taking the average of the other cycles we had i would assume it's not even 1 unified fuel / day.

[thick trail]

Thank you, so this is why isn’t worth it yet just for rewards

[radiant sky]

maybe it's 1 cause it get's rounded up 😄

[thick trail]

17 months to get 500 Unified

That is 5$

if I am not wrong

[radiant sky]

i really can't tell you exactly. (depends on revenue and on burn amount of other landholders)
i just burned low amounts for testing purposes before.
but it's not like you get a considerable amount of unified fuel from the current revenue
if i remember right, that cycle 1 was 100 fuel burned.

last cycle could be a bit higher since beyond wave 4 launched and revenue spiked a little

[lapis dome]

How long will zero's ranking event last this time?

[radiant sky]

unknown

[proven wharf]

May I ask where I can check the ranking results from last week?

[radiant sky]

according to the announcement it said there will be a snapshot posted soon.

[harsh dew]

Did we received D1sks wave 4 ?

[uneven pulsar]

nope

[pseudo pulsar]

@harsh dew i got a few ..

[atomic cove]

from wave 3 stretch goals rewards.

[harsh dew]

Oups, i'm in the wrong channel 😅

[pseudo pulsar]

training gyms for zero there could be live voice at each individual land for training

players become the real life Legends of Pewter City .that show up to do two things and that's chew bubblegum and Kick-Ass you better hope they don't run out of bubblegum

[tardy falcon]

sheesh... don't miss a resource collection lest u slip down the ranks 😅

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-hear-you-down-there-spider-man-mesh-gif-24517269

[tardy falcon]

ugh... i dont wanna get more land

[radiant sky]

i can see that pov 😄

risky to decide just from leaderboard perspective anyways...
if those whales decide not to be lazy anymore, you will see totally different points. in top 10

just check their profiles 😄

[tardy falcon]

yah there are some wallets with many many t4 still.... saw one with like 14 t4 O:

[radiant sky]

ya.. and with like 30, 40 plots

[tardy falcon]

cwazee

[signal maple]

my neighbour, I dont think he is playing
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/0x6812b9ece52368950146161607f074d69db6cad4?collection=Land

[uneven pulsar]

he thought made x2-3 after buying)

[radiant sky]

i guess most did 😄

[mortal spruce]

22 Blueprints complete,
18 Armor and 4 Drones each, correct?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky It's really so unfair that it's not worth trying to rank in Zero with one T1 and even several. It is a way for the top spenders to earn a little back, but for the rest of us it's not worth trying.

[polar garnet]

i need two sell twl land T3 levl 786/lvl 746

i need the better price to list them
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/snoopy66 this my profile

[radiant sky]

👀

[radiant sky]

yea, that is really unfortunate.
But also it kinda would be unfair for those who spent more on land if they have to compete with other who own just one ore maybe two t1 land.

I feel what is missing for low tier is more of the feature to use their own produced fuel in the ecosystem and might get lucky with an adr, or with a rare drop out of a beyond disk rather than competing for top ranks on the leaderboard.

what i generally feel is that leaderboard distribution should be flatter, meaning split those top ranking rewards a bit up and reward more player in general.
Also cosmetics would be nice for competing (basically all active players), and depending on rank you get a "cooler" version of the cosmetic.
Doesn't have to be something wild like a battleboard skin, but maybe a border for profile pics, or an emote or whatever.
Can set a min activity requirement for each game to e eligible for that cosmetic.

[viscid bolt]

I am confused about the Zero Leaderboard. What are the numbers next to the ILV symbol where it says total. Someone said that it represents fuel earned. Is this correct?

[twin sequoia]

I´ve been out since wensday. What Dr. said is correct, it is the fuel produced inside the plot itself.

1 unified fuel costs $0.01, so it depends on the weekly revenue, the value of ETH and your share in revdiv plus a bonus of 20%. For example, if weekly revenue is 10ETH, landholders owns 0.5ETH. If ETH value is 2k, this is $500. If your share is 1%, you could choose between 0.005ETH ($5) or 500+100(20%)=600 unified fuel.

[radiant sky]

it's "leaderboard-points"
check pins to see what grants you points

[viscid bolt]

Is anything material earned for these points?

[twin sequoia]

no, only by the rank given by the points

What the hell happened with T2 & T3 markets? they collapsed

[radiant sky]

it's all markets i feel...
can be many reasons, like nft-utility isn't really there and also seems not to be a short term goal or maybe people just looking for liquidity to buy tokens.
You likely find as many reasons as there are sellers on the markets 😄

[tardy falcon]

@rose thicket zero distribution sent out

Def the better choice to time burns

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-money-raining-money-meme-pepe-money-gif-20679525

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pouring-coins-culture-wars-it-hurts-song-dropping-coins-black-box-gif-17828697596452394236

more like...

but better than pennies (:

[twin sequoia]

which one do you mean? I already claimed several hours ago both from cycle 8 and LB week 1

[tardy falcon]

Yah I mean the cycle... relax was trippin... not feeling relaxed... so wanted to ping him and let him know cycle was sent

[twin sequoia]

At first, my basic maths doesn´t match up with cycle 8 revenue. I have to recheck, because I get almost $0 from stripe sells. Which I don´t think is possible that week

I got x3 that cycle 2, but also my share was almost x2, so not so good at the end (but much better than any other cycle)

[tardy falcon]

Yah was less than I thought would be

[twin sequoia]

It may be better this week for those who kept some fuel. Demand still strong but low burn fuel yet

[signal maple]

wow revenue of cycle 8 seems like almost x10 previous weeks

[vivid cipher]

That’s the beyond wave 4 impact

[olive abyss]

So dumb t should be split over like at least 1000 players

50 people?

So only whales can ever win

Thinking logically that means zero will have 50 players

[harsh dew]

Something is wrong with the rewards data...or i'm missing something.

[uneven pulsar]

low or too much?

[harsh dew]

Low

[twin sequoia]

No, this is a LB, the same in every game. Only top ranks get rewards

[rose thicket]

keep questioning...

[rose thicket]

Still trippin...the payout seems way too low. Will continue trippin until I quit this project or the DAO gets transparency on its own revenue (should demand that Stripe numbers are reported). Seems reasonable, right?

[rose thicket]

Doubt that you are missing it...this is exactly what I warned would happen when EP-1 was proposed...said the same thing at mainnet launch with the 19:1 fuel generation. No surprises here.

[trail frigate]

How much is T1 land now?

[harsh dew]

I deliberately waited one minute before the reset to ensure I had the correct Share of Total Fuel Burned ratio in my ILZ game burning dashboard. But it seems like the Stripe payments were not included in the 5% distribution to land owners this week…

I extract my data directly from the blockchain, analyzing transactions made in the new wallet for Unified Fuels. However, the reward I received is very close to what I get when analyzing only the on-chain data — excluding the Stripe payments, which actually represent the largest portion of the revenue.

This is what concerns me: if the Stripe revenue is not taken into account, it completely distorts the distribution.

• SILV2 mean no revenu
• I understand there is some fees around the Stripe payment has well 2.9% + $0.30/transaction

I would like to have more explanations.
What exactly is happening here? Is this an error, an oversight, or an intentional choice?
Transparency on this matter is crucial to maintain trust and ensure a fair revenue distribution.

[pseudo pulsar]

@olive abyss the easiest fix I see is just like we run individual wave completions we should do individual tier completions

land has different outcomes so qualification would be key

the big boys can run the marathon all run the 5K

[glacial garnet]

Ill ask IMC/Team to come shed light on this

[uneven pulsar]

yeap bro! thx for your effort and your questions. itsa pity that we don't have cleare way understnd how much, when, where am i in this etc

[tardy falcon]

Yep fo real bro
I bet it was cuz silv2 be counted in original figure but then deducted cuz yk… but we won’t know until there’s accounting transparency

[pseudo pulsar]

the banking cartel makes making a digital currency flow in and out of the game difficulty believe

[twin sequoia]

Yes, this is the same than I though. Revdiv was very similiar to blockchain income numbers (saving for little difference because the mix of ETH, ILV and sILV and different token values)

[harsh dew]

Yeha, SILV2 might be the cause... but still need data...

I understand there is some fees around the Stripe payment has well 2.9% + $0.30/transaction

[harsh dew]

Thanks you Patate,

To rebuild trust with Illuvium’s players and investors, transparency must be a top priority. Past decisions and actions have disappointed many, but now is the time to turn the page and restore confidence by committing to greater openness and clarity.

[silver plover]

My T1 plot: First T5 blueprint on a T5 S3 Illuvial!

[cerulean kettle]

Very impressive on a T1…..I only went up to T3 S3 since the minting is extremely expensive on a T1 plot. Do you have enough fuel and elements?

[silver plover]

Working on storage for elements now. Plan 4 stage9 and 1 stage 8 of each. Already have all at stage 8 but 160 of 2 fuel to get to stage 9 takes a bit

[twin sequoia]

That´s hard work!

[sage bough]

I have like 8 of each, most are still tier 7 but might consolidate as I upgrade tier.

[silver plover]

Ya it just takes up too much space without going this 5 of each route

[sage bough]

How many T1 plots are you working?

I did find a neighboring T2 plot yesterday at floor price so was a nice pickup.

[silver plover]

2, this one has all 130 biodata so now trying to open up space for when new things like training come. I bought mine at the original sale , not so nice of a pickup haha

[sage bough]

They have held value the most of all the tiers, although not by much.

T1 - 88.49%
T2 - 93.89%
T3 - 93.77%
T4 - 93.80%

T4 plots finally caught a bid, they were closing in on 99%. Someone came in and bought a few up.

[pseudo pulsar]

I look for odd ball buys T-4 fits i just dont have the liquidy

[dusk siren]

Will we ever return to mint prices?

[sage bough]

Market would probably correct in a hurry if the games ever get traction. Wouldn't take a lot of inflows to move prices.

[sage bough]

Would have to spend some time looking at the order book to get a better idea but I feel like sell side liquidity could potentially dry up with enough of an increase in demand.

[pure fable]

we need army in zero

troops

I want to recruit Illuvials

pls remove this f***ing power stations, they are beyond annoying and destroy the feeling of building

[rose thicket]

@noble quest warned this would be an issue. How can you help bring transparency to the gross revenue so land investors can reconcile their burn?

[minor pagoda]

ikr

[pure fable]

are they about to disappear??? 👀

[minor pagoda]

Nah just doesn't I agree with something doesn't mean it will happen instantly

But I do think the current power station meta is a blight compared to the utopia of beautifully laid out plots

I wouldn't remove them, but I would make them much less important

[pure fable]

These power stations have absolutely NO benefit.
Just remove them entirely!
This is the ONLY way forward.
Let us build MEANINGFUL buildings instead of pain in the ass buildings.

you can just give structure limits, or limit the amount of certain structures in an area.

[minor pagoda]

It's just a mechanic execution

You could make the same argument for elements

[pure fable]

no that is completely different imo.
these power plants are hindering the fun and beauty of the game. Also the way forward, because you always have to think about them when inventing new buildings etc.

power calculation also bugs and lags in Megacity (and maybe single plots too) when in build mode

[pure fable]

Why do you think that is compareable to elements?

[twin sequoia]

I don´t think so. The power stations makes the strategic part of the game. If you want a beatiful plot go cities skylines.

[tardy falcon]

If you remove power stations then we will fill them up with converters... if converters are capped then there's another thing to complain about... any rebalancing should be carefully considered

[twin sequoia]

If we quit it, all plots would look the same

[pure fable]

the "strategic" part is: build power stations everywhere. End of "strategy"
That is not fun
Also it makes no sense and feels very artificial.

[twin sequoia]

May be, in the future, with new buildings and feature, they can increase the effect of power stations, and somwhow limit them, so not so many are needed, or can be used.

[minor pagoda]

In the end, elements are just enablers of the two end game paths or a combination of them: science and fuel magnate, its just that the design enforces you to collect elements to accommodate these

Similar to the power and efficiency system with power stations, but the execution compared to elements is not as solid

[twin sequoia]

No, the strategic part is build them in a way that adapt to your plot so you can increase as much as you can your output in fuel, science and/or conversion

Now I´m getting "fun" reworking the plots so I can also have as many converters as possible active without loosing fuel, or loosing very few

[pure fable]

No you could just let the efficiency drop in a similar way like it is currently.

you could also take the current meta amounts of converters for each plot tier and set that at max cap

[twin sequoia]

then, if you are ok with loosing efficiency, don´t use as many power stations

[pure fable]

but get rid of these pain in the a** power stations

[tardy falcon]

I'd be pissed if there was a cap

[pure fable]

you are probably one of very few players with megacity who can exploit active conversion I guess. But for 99% of players a cap would be totally fine

or maybe make the high level power stations so that we dont need these dump amounts of stations everywhere

the game should be fun

more people would play

[tardy falcon]

Currently for leaderboards it doesn't matter so much... more plots you have doing equal conversions is better... even t1/t2... I do have MC but am falling behind people with 20/30 plots

[pure fable]

they look the same tho

[tardy falcon]

But fundamentally I agree that the game could be more fun

That could be achieved in many ways...

I just hesitate to prioritize beauty over utility

[pure fable]

yes and if you introduce more buildings you have to get rid of these stations anyway

if you every plan to do some kind of defense/military system

these stations are ALWAYS in the way

[tardy falcon]

Yep... I dig that. I also like choice... so if the game is more fun because of such and such build, then cool... still some people will prioritize production

And that should be fine

[pure fable]

honestly best idea would just be to make these power stations invisible
just treat EMPTY SPACE as power station lvl 1
easy
done

[tardy falcon]

Or much more minimalistic

[pure fable]

maybe bind that to a lvl 9 station in that region

[tardy falcon]

I dig that

[pure fable]

but empty space is filled with stations. And it is a pain in the ass, so just let EMPTY SPACE = Power station lvl 1. At least in endgame high level plots

[tardy falcon]

Hopefully we see active dev for zero again one day

[rose thicket]

What the HELL are plants still doing in Zero? Does anyone feel they add anything to the game loop (assuming there is one)?

Why do full extractors/converters not go up to 9 like everything else? Feels strange/odd to end at 6.

[tardy falcon]

early mid game yes

[pure fable]

they need a rework too, especially in high level plots.

[rose thicket]

Plants should go extinct after say level 100

[tardy falcon]

Fuel are tied to Quantum Fabricant that goes to level 6
Element buildings are tied to engineering workshop that goes to level 9
Makes sense to me...

[tardy falcon]

Well... plants were supposed to give Dye before right? for the podarium thing?

[pure fable]

just let us build a garden which is 6 power stations in size (6x4 squares) where plants grow

[twin sequoia]

Proably it will be reworked in the future, but now it is like it was supposed to be. It is like if you buy one game and then ask developer to change the way it is because you don´t like it. I knew what this game was about and I like it as is.

[tardy falcon]

But that idea was scrapped?

[rose thicket]

Fabricant should go to 9 then. If you put in the work, then it should help you up your percentage of the RevDis

[twin sequoia]

Fabricant converters and fuel stractors are advanced buildings. In every game advanced building start after some levels, aren´t accesible from first day. It makes sense the way it is

[radiant sky]

dyes? yes

[pure fable]

I just wrote a thread about power station remake on high level plots: #1375962287076020325 message

it would enable a complete new stage of illuvium zero in the lategame

the reality is that building level 1 power stations in the late game is not hard at all, but it hinders everything

so the dynamic/economy in earlystage and midstage stays the same, also economy in lategame stays nearly the same with MANY benefits

[real ice]

if you sell the land all buildings stays who's bought and level ?

[twin sequoia]

Yes, buildings, their levels and plot level is kept. Everything else is removed

Well, 2500 of each element too 😉

Oh! and the earned rewards are also kept

[whole spear]

We are still the most transparent in the space

[twin sequoia]

Arena is not available on Mac?

[whole spear]

Not right now

[twin sequoia]

That would be a good improvement

[whole spear]

We scaled back the mac builds due to not many people playing on mac

[twin sequoia]

And may be Beyond on mobile devices

[whole spear]

and the extra dev/qa work involved

[whole spear]

This is already being looked at

[real ice]

so now i bought 2 land and no buildings left was and i need to start build from the begining , did i het unlucky

[twin sequoia]

oh! as OW was, I though it was a good market

[twin sequoia]

From the begining? Do you want to reset the plot? I don´t think it is a good idea, you can rework it and will always be faster

@whole spear do you now when the snapshot from Zero LB will be available? It was supposed to be on the 23rd

[real ice]

no i mean i bought 2 lands ready and all those lands is plain no buildings was

[whole spear]

Yeah sorry ended up being a busy week

will get uploaded asap

we have backups for all the snapshots though

and even screenshots i took personally in game lol

a lot of screenshots

they may have sent them to me and i missed it lemme check real quick

[twin sequoia]

No hurry, just to know

[whole spear]

yup

i got em

gimme 5

will post

https://link.illuvium.io/ZeroLeaderboardSnapshots

Yeah they are updated in there

No nicknames though

wallet/reward amount

[twin sequoia]

Thank you, I tried with https://zero.illuvium.io/leaderboard, just in case 😄

I hoped to see the earned points too 😦

[rose thicket]

Lack of transparency and financial reporting by Labs at all levels to the DAO is absurd by any business norms. Especially while serving as custodians of the DAO’s treasury. Naivety Maximalists. I know its not your lane, but the team should discuss how revenue can be posted as RevDis is derived fully from it now.

[whole spear]

Its not a business

Its a Dao

And as far as daos go id say we are towards the top of transparency

That being said I don't disagree on more reporting as it would make my life easier

[rose thicket]

Labs is a business registered with the Australian securities regulators and is the custodian of our funds. This is what is material and I am most confident how the securities authorities are/will interpret this matter in the future. DAO is totally immaterial. The wise would wake up and understand this before it gets ugly.

[whole spear]

I mean most confident and reality are two different things but sure you can guess what can happen as well as anyone else

A wise man once told me "Wish in one hand, sh*t in the other, see which one fills up faster." It's almost always the other 😉

[whole spear]

Ill see if i can add this

Added the "Score" Column

[whole spear]

Also I'll just add one more thing @rose thicket, you look at all these other games shutting down and people being blindsided by it. The only reason people are able to fud our runway/revenue is because we are transparent about things. Stripe is a new service we've added as of late with a cut down team, the fact that you act like we are trying to hide something is wild because again people would know if we were out of runway because our revenues aren't keeping up because we report more than any of those games that shut down ever did. I’m sure stripe revenues will be reported at some point I just don’t have direct insight into them and as linkky eluded to it’s more complicated than “we made X amount and here you go”

[lyric lodge]

I can't get ophisto bp at all ....is that because they become more rare as they are found. Can BP be brought ?

[olive abyss]

So how do i make money with zero now that i cant sell fuel?

[signal maple]

I can sell u minted ophisto NFT if u want

[lyric lodge]

Ah no I want the BP haha....so are they hard to find now because of the bonding curve ?

Is it still possible to find them ?

[signal maple]

burn fuel each week or get in top 50

[lyric lodge]

Top 100

Which is very hard to do

[signal maple]

Idk the mechanism clearly but I still can find its BP normally, of course maybe sometimes a week with my 5 material labs

[signal maple]

nah u need top 50 for zero

[olive abyss]

are you serious lol

So the only thing i can do is compete in the leaderboard against people with super expensive lands? only 50? so my tier 2 land is basically useless now

except to use to play the overworld

[signal maple]

if u have only 1-2 T2 then yes

[olive abyss]

In other words, player base just dropped off a cliff most likely

How much fuel did rank 50 in the last round have to burn?

If i cant use my land im thinking ill just sell it to get ILV to stake instead

[lyric lodge]

Fuel vmamount earned will go up with more players....no point in staking as redivs really low now

[olive abyss]

Damn so illuvium is not looking good

why would they change that and make most peoples land useless?

did the team quit or something and somebody new is making these changes?

why break the entire game to make it pointless to even play

super dissapointing honestly

[signal maple]

no, this is the two different apporach. The score for LB does not come from burning fuel

pls check the announcement for latest update

[olive abyss]

but you just said this?

[tardy falcon]

There are two different streams from Zero...
Burning fuel for a share of 5% of Illuvium revenue
And compete for LB rewards... two different things

[lyric lodge]

Can we still find ophitso on zero and can we buy the BP or the market ?

[lyric lodge]

Dude they have two be awesome team members and the new upgrade will make it really fun.... something we always missed. Yes ofc they messed up

Can we actually buy BP on the market or is it locked into land ? Not skins but the things that make the BP ?

The bio data

Yes can we by ophisto bio data of the market @signal maple ?

[fossil galleon]

You can buy blueprints off the Illuvidex. Not biodata. Go to Zero -> Trading and select the Blueprints tab to see what’s listed.

[lyric lodge]

Ah so bio data is locked to zero ? Can we still find bio data for ophisto ? How do we know which is rarest biodata?

Thanks

[fossil galleon]

Yep biodata locked to each land.
You should be able to find Ophisto - it has a bonding curve so it’s supposed to get more difficult as more Ophistos are found for example. I don’t think this data is publicly available though.
I’m constantly scanning and researching blueprints on a few lands. I occasionally get a Tier 5 Illuvial.

[rose thicket]

Thanks for your considerate response and for what you do for the community. I know it's more complex and stated directly to Kieran & IMC prior to EP-1 implementation.

[rose thicket]

My request has nothing to do with the runway. My appeal is for gross revenue disclosure to be revealed so Landholders can simply check their 5% RevDis for accuracy, as any prudent person would want and expect. I am the one who pushed the council 9 months ago to get a reputable fiat onramp and the one who instigated ILV to look at Stripe via the IMC, as I was baffled why it was not in place before mainnet launch. I have managed over 20 businesses/organizations on Stripe for over a decade and know well what the platform is capable of. There is no rational, valid excuse for why the admins of this DAO and owners of Labs cannot report Stripe's revenue in a matter of minutes.

[pure fable]

is the biodata on a bonding curve or the blueprint?

[fossil galleon]

Good question. I could have it wrong re biodata versus blueprints bonding curve. May be both. @radiant sky do you remember?

[radiant sky]

afaik it's more like the balancing part of the bonding curve, not the rarity part.
At least according to perry.
Other than his statement, bonding curves in beta build actually never got confirmed as far as i remember, and not how they impact everything.

From my personal experience, biodata had always roughly the same success rate according to the official numbers, so that would make somewhat sense that bonding curve doesn't really affect the successrate, but maybe what BP you find.

[fossil galleon]

Thanks for answering. Yeah the info is not easy to find and be validated.

[fossil galleon]

Based on your experience, when does a business get paid funds from Stripe? Is it immediate or aggregated over some time period?

[rose thicket]

72 hours to allow for the final settlement from credit cards and SWIFT to take place.

[twin sequoia]

No, fuel burnt will always grant you money. Very few these days, but will give some. For LB points are needed. This are earned when producing elements and fuel.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, you should be able to find every biodata in every plot, but success rate varies depending on the zone and the kind of illuvial. I don´t find the % in the https://illuvium.io/news. It was around patch 1.2-3 I think

[lyric lodge]

so what zone is opisto ?

thanks

[twin sequoia]

There are BP and BP NFT. BP is binded to plot, BP NFT is a minted BP and can be usen in OW or sold in Illuvidex

[twin sequoia]

I don´t know, it is in the patch notes, but I don´t find them. Anyway, it is foundable on every plot. May be you are in a zone with 5% for ophisto instead of 28%.

[harsh dew]

Those data are for ILZ blueprint droprate ?

[radiant sky]

no

it's about droprate for scanning

but tbh... i'm not sure it's implemented correctly.
Personally my droprates were pretty random back then when i scanned.

[harsh dew]

Samething, i'm in Taiga Boreal and it's 48 air and no Ophisto 😄

[radiant sky]

i myself pushed scanners to max level before starting to scan.
it pretty much dropped tier after tier with a few exceptions.
like, i almost found all tier 1-4 biodata before getting my first t5 biodatas

[twin sequoia]

I scan in 2xAbysal Bassin and Shardbluff Labyrinth and only have Dualeph, from Abyssal Basin. "Only" missing the rest of T5S3(5), Kukkaraph, 3xT2S3, 2xT3S3 and 2xT4S3

But only air Illuvials are my weak point

[rotund forum]

Tbh I know there is supposed to be more probability of finding certain illuvials in certain zones but if you just keep scanning you’ll find them all on any plot.

[ripe birch]

hey there i have a question about lands on illuvium Zero, how much can you generate with a tier 3 in a month and is the fuel generated soldable to get your money back?

[tardy falcon]

IMO t3 is the worse of all lands

• science is expensive
• doesn’t have fuel bonus like t4
• storage facilities are weak

But to your main question of earning…
You can only get rewards now by burning fuel for a share of illuvium revenue
Or
Climb leaderboards

Leaderboard points are currently calculated via fuel and elements farmed… including converters… putting low tier plots at an advantage…

But to be blunt 1 t3 isn’t going to make u much on either LB or burn revenue… maybe $10/mo

people who are climbing leaderboard have 10-20-30 or even 40 lands

And meaningful fuel production. Happens at t4 level

And no u can’t sell fuel direct any more

[real ice]

my storage is full and when claim to be lost did it counts points to leaderboard?

[tawdry plank]

As far I can tell, yes. It counts.

[twin sequoia]

Depending on your focus, fuel production or science, it can generate from 550 to 650 fuel daily (crypton+solon+hyperion). Monthly revenue would depend on the revenue from Unified fuel sold and how much you burn.

[rotund forum]

no, afaik overproduction does NOT count. That is why it might be not a bad idea if you are going for leaderboard to spend elements on blueprints or whatever so you don.t have surplus. That said, I think it is 300K elements for 1 point (which is nothing if you see that leaderboard has 6 figures points) and you´re actually spending fuel, which you could also sell... so if you see you won´t get anywhere in the top 50 better to not concentrate on points and just sell your fuel. Well, that is my conclusion at least.

[twin sequoia]

overproduction does count. But, as you say, element contribution is so low that it doesn´t matter much (500k for 1 point).

[hearty cradle]

it's being processed, it takes more time because they have to do it manually

[vivid cipher]

Overproduction does count

[pure fable]

Does anyone know who this address is 0xf04b1b324a4e2dba9cdd2991d720a981b55156e8 ?
this address has 83 Lands, and I am interested in some
not sure if he is an active player or not

[harsh dew]

I don’t understand your argument about it’s take more time ?

[hearty cradle]

which part u dnt understand

[harsh dew]

It takes more time—but for what exactly? And above all, how is this argument connected to the main topic?

[plucky oyster]

How many buildings can I have on a land

[pine kestrel]

You can fully build out your land.
However, some buildings have a limit on how many you can place.
Others, like the Power Station, don’t have any placement limits.

[pine kestrel]

The overall limit, as far as I understand, is 202 buildings.
But some specific buildings — like the Singularity Scanner — have a cap of 5 units.

[pine kestrel]

And this is an example of a building that doesn’t have a specific limit — apart from the overall cap of 202 total buildings.

[plucky oyster]

What is plot structure limit?

[pine kestrel]

You can't place more than 202 structures on your plot, as far as I understand.
That’s the total, across all types of buildings.

[lethal summit]

what are paths used for

[pine kestrel]

They speed up the construction and upgrading of buildings. They also accelerate the resource extraction process.

[plucky oyster]

Whats it mean 178/202 ?

[pine kestrel]

You have already built 178 buildings.
You can place a maximum of 202 buildings on your land.

[radiant sky]

there are 173 structures built and maximal 202 structures can be built.
Structure limit increases with upgrading your nexus, whereas on nexus lvl 9 you have max structure limit possible

[plucky oyster]

Thanks guys

[pine kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-homie-coffee-cold-brew-gif-15619195419405220985

[twin sequoia]

so sILV2 income is not taken into income? there was a lot these days

[tardy falcon]

silv2 is equivalent of gift card in game

For every silv2 in existence an ILV was not minted

Therefore silv2 may be not great early on... ideally it is good long term because ILV total supply is lower because of it

[vivid cipher]

I think you should Check your math or check your inputs

[vivid cipher]

sILV2 is a coupon. It’s basically a gift card that was given away to ILV stakers. It’s not revenue.

[twin sequoia]

Ok, I´ll check again, that will make more sense

[tardy falcon]

idk about given away 😅
it was an option... you could either claim ilv or silv2 for your staked ilv
for every silv2 claimed an ilv was not minted towards final total supply afai understood

[radiant sky]

according to my math from my rewards and share i had, the revenue that cycle was very roughly 30k. Which seems a tad bit low for beyond launch being in that cycle.
would definetly be nice if there is a check from teams side, to ensure everything went as it should have been.

[vivid cipher]

Sure. “Given away” is a simplified explanation

[rose thicket]

Thanks for the courage to make this request. Others who are silent should do so as well. This should be common sense standard operatonal procedure and not an begging excercise by the owners of this project.

[spring void]

Any reason to keep fuel crates or should we just sell them if we only play zero?

[tardy falcon]

up to u... crates provide equivalent value of fuel
if u price them right they will sell

[woven tangle]

wheres the zero leader boards chart for last week?

[spring void]

Where should I go to see my crates in the illuvidex? I have 3 crates that I haven't touched since they were given out. Cant seem to find it anymore with all the UI updates since then

[tardy falcon]

should be in your inventory

if they are listed for sale then they would be under promotional

[spring void]

Not listed. Was that pre imx passport and would have to be migrated in?

[tardy falcon]

I think so

[high sleet]

It depends where your land was. They may have been put in a wallet thats not your passport

[spring void]

My land was in a cold wallet and that wallet was linked to my passport to read my lands so I could play without having to transfer

[high sleet]

Yep so the fuel crates went to the cold wallet

Easy to move them manually using tokentrove

[spring void]

Got it ill try that, thank you and @tardy falcon too!

[high sleet]

Tag me if u need any help with this stuff, I have gone through it many times

If ur wallet is linked u can actually check on the illuvidex.

lil dropdown thats invisible to the naked eye

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[serene iris]

I'd also like more clarity around the stripe transactions!

Are purchases for the week added for that weeks payment?

Do they take longer to add to the payment pool?

Are they actually being added?

How much are they generating and how do we check them?

It would be a lot better to get clarity on how all this works now rather than later when there is potentially a lot more income

[spring void]

Ok i ran out of time tonight but ill try again tomorrow and let you know if I have any issues. Thanks again!

[vivid cipher]

I got pretty much the same results as you. And yet according to linkky’s fuel purchase data only like $21,000 (non-sILV2) on chain was used to buy fuel during week 8. So I’m not exactly sure what appears to be missing.

If I had been thinking about it I would have assumed that the Stripe payments would not be the majority for a Beyond wave launch.

[radiant sky]

from talks in public chats and DM's it feels like stripe payments would have been the preffered paying method for many people.
But yes, one can just make assumptions, and stripe payments aren't actually as big as i thought.

[dusty cobalt]

Are purchases for the week added for that weeks payment?
Yes

Do they take longer to add to the payment pool?
No

Are they actually being added?
Yes

What caused the confusion?
Linkky added SILV2 to his charts and was calculating the revenue distribution based on SILV2 used #💰〕token message

How much are they generating and how do we check them?
You can reverse calculate the amount of revenue generated for a specific week based on the distribution you got

[terse remnant]

I need help setting up my account.

[harsh dew]

Silv2, is not part of the revenu but can be add to the calculation to see the overworld real demand. Once, there no more Silv2. Land will generate more.

[harsh dew]

From now on, if I post the report. I will exclude the Silv2 from the calculation if it's causing confusion.

[vivid cipher]

Oh? What’s not working?

[untold relic]

Why do some people have so many point in leaderboards is there some kind of trick or do they just have 100 lands

[twin sequoia]

They have lots, but not so many. Use active convertors

[radiant sky]

Not so many? 😂

Check their profiles

And be jaw-dropped 😆

[pure fable]

does active conversion count fully? or just the profit?

[radiant sky]

what you produce

[pure fable]

ok that should obv change

makes no sense

[radiant sky]

theoretically it's production

[twin sequoia]

No, not so many. 36, 51 & 19 😉

[radiant sky]

😄

[twin sequoia]

The 4th is the one I don´t know how many he has

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-nate-bargatze-gif-1712690635348172944

[twin sequoia]

I´m actually using 11,5 but they were focused on max production, so cannot use all converters. And 3 of them are full science

[radiant sky]

i rebuild many of my plots... basically all except my science t3 and mc

but i feel that t3 need a rebuild aswell

[uneven pulsar]

againe))

[twin sequoia]

I´m thinking on remodeling to get to top 10, but it is a lot of work for just 1ILV/week. And may be the rest also improve and I can not do it anyway

[uneven pulsar]

i need 1 month to full rebuild))

[radiant sky]

yea that's why i hesitated to buy 1 or 2 more plots to secure top 3

[uneven pulsar]

in this game can play long)

other guys can decide to buy too))

[radiant sky]

yea totally

[uneven pulsar]

tan you need leave job

coz y don''t have time for land)

[twin sequoia]

LB is just a gift for me, didn´t think about it when started here

[stiff skiff]

How many weeks will the IZ ranking last?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-2-nate-bargatze-gif-3629663037087366671

[twin sequoia]

Undefined at the moment

[pure fable]

yeah thats why power stations have to get changed, like I proposed in feedback ideas

rebuilding plots is such a pain

you get divorced before you are done rebuilding a plot

I would not be surprised if divorce rates are extremely high in illuvium zero playerpool

[twin sequoia]

With editing tools would be quite easier. Just the swap tool like in CoC would be marvellous

[pure fable]

yes! or this:
#1375962287076020325 message

[stiff skiff]

As for the ranking, in my opinion it makes NO SENSE to consider the conversion, 75 hyp become sol, then they come back.. It's a stupid ping pong

[twin sequoia]

I also though that but, when you convert, you create a new type of fuel, so it is like production (Dr. thoughts). At first, this is bad for higher tiers. But the LB is for playing the plot and desinging the plot to have more efficient converters and do active conversions IS playing the game. I´m starting a new plot from scratch for this, it will be different thant the previous ones

[stiff skiff]

I do solon from crypton and then the opposite... I don't create anything... I only do them for the rankings... It seems stupid to me that's all...

[uneven pulsar]

the same in ranked gaunlet - won/lose)

[twin sequoia]

I wouldalso be surprised if geeks like us weren´t married to more geeky people 😂

I´m single, so no problem for me 🙂

[pseudo pulsar]

Whats a wife ?

[pure fable]

yes...

guys do I need 150% on a T1 on my fuel converters for full passive generation?

or can I have less?

I see that 149% is 75 to 75 active

but what about the passive?

[uncut pendant]

Hey guys 🙌 some of you encounter issue with login in with imutable authentification step (email with 6 digits code never received)?

[radiant sky]

can do the same check with passive generation 🙂

[radiant sky]

i don't think i ever did something like that.
Be careful to not get scammed.
Recommend contacting #❓❓〕support if you have issues with your account.

[twin sequoia]

It depends on the Tier, but with +145% you are probably safe always

[pure fable]

yes I had this for more than a week
you have to contact immutable support (from their website, NEVER answer to people messaging you on discord)

[pure fable]

yeah true

[pure fable]

thanks will try

[rotund reef]

Something is definitely up with the biodata. Getting 5/3s is almost easy now. Happens pretty much every day. Used to never happen. I see you guys talking about this newfound success too. I REALLY hope the devs didn't all of a sudden make this too easy. Because they definitely did something.

[serene iris]

I really appreciate the answers! Many thanks

[spring void]

FYI I was able to view and list the fuel crates once I toggled to my secondary wallet. Appreciate the help!

[high sleet]

No problem, yeah theres a lot of good stuff that's gone into the Illuvidex updates, but they arent super obvious

[high sleet]

The way it works makes it naturally easy

The loot table is based on what is remaining in your personal pool.

[paper sleet]

How many biodata can you collect? I have 65

For a tier 1

[tardy falcon]

130

[paper sleet]

How many blue prints per illuvial?

[tardy falcon]

too many

18 suits and 4 drones

22x205=4510

like really

who tf

[uncut pendant]

Thanks 👍

[fierce pollen]

@radiant sky what is your secret for so many pts in Zero bro?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/nie-śpię-miasto-mnie-potrzebuje-nie-śpię-miasto-mnie-potrzebuje-noc-meme-gif-5600107272308592015

but also...fuel converting is the meta

[fierce pollen]

Max amount of fuel converters for each type and not care about the efficiency?

I guess megacity helps gives big boosts as well?

[radiant sky]

only significant boost you get from MC is that you can build a few more converters

[radiant sky]

max amount of max efficiency converters, so you can convert back and forth without a loss.

[snow river]

What's the best way to make a level one pay?

[fierce pollen]

Makes sense, thanks Spoon

[rotund reef]

But it's not anymore. This would have been the case weeks ago, back when I did not have Ophisto, Ramphyre, or Dualeph. Currently, I have owned all of them for weeks, but they just keep right on coming. And a lot of people here on the server out of nowhere are talking about getting them. I don't recall seeing this before, at least not at this clip. Something happened.

[radiant sky]

Last Change was months ago and actually decreased the successrate of scanners

[plucky oyster]

Do I need to buy credits for each land or i can shere?

[radiant sky]

credits are linked to the account, not to the land.
The builders however are linked to your landplots and not accountwide.

[fluid eagle]

How many biodata can be found right now?

What counts for the leaderboard?

[vivid cipher]

Pinned here #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

And here #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[fluid eagle]

Ty

[harsh dew]

Excluding Stripe payment and Silv2
Will be pretty similar to last week in term of Fuel sale 7h38 min to go.

[rotund reef]

This stopped being a coincidence a couple weeks ago. Something changed.

[radiant sky]

No.
The more biodata you have the more likely it gets you get high Tier high Stage, since the low Tier low Stage aren't in your pool of possible drops anymore... Just the high Tier high Stage left.
The successrate of scanners is always the Same.

[rancid turret]

Thanks for the update

[lethal valley]

hi guys does efficiency increase with power?

and do i go for path bonus first or converter efficiency first?

[radiant sky]

no, power is just for being able to produce at all, no link to efficiency.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[lethal valley]

so i dont really need to upgrade power stations?

[radiant sky]

upgrading your powerstations is just needed to meet the required powerlevel for the structures in its AOE.
The higher level your structures, the more power they need.

[lethal valley]

does the stage of the power station increase aoe?

[twin sequoia]

No, only the energy available. It is distributed evenly between all buildings (that needs energy) in the aoe. So, if the output is 2k and there are 2 buildings demanding energy, 1k is delivered to each one, even if one needs only 400 and the other 7k

[radiant sky]

yes

[radiant sky]

no

[lethal valley]

am i doing well?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chosen-jesus-leper-not-too-shabby-jesus-joking-gif-22243166

[radiant sky]

keep in mind that your crypton harvester grants your crypton converters bonus efficiency if you build them nearby.
So you might wana swap your crypton converter with your hyperion converter next to the crypton harvester.

Path bonus depends a bit on your harvesting habbits, you might not need to have max pathbonus later on.
But if you want max path bonus, keep in mind that you get 1% pathbonus by default and every 10 buildings you connect you get an additional 1% pathbonus.
So if you want to have max path bonus you need to connect 190 buildings with each other and you have a max structure limit of 202 (nexus lvl9).

[lethal valley]

what do u mean by the harvesting habbits part?

[pseudo elm]

For now is there just one bot armor and one human armor skin per illuvial found?

[radiant sky]

check pins

[pseudo elm]

Perfect thanks

I know why they did it, but I’m sad we dropped the original idea of skins for the illuvials in are arena

[radiant sky]

for example, if you logg in just once a day anyways, a small path bonus is enough so all buildings are ready always at the same time.
But if you are able to logg in as often as you can, you might want to maximize your path bonus

[radiant sky]

what do you mean exactly?
There are no skins for Illuvials, just for ranger and drone.

[pseudo elm]

Oh I know. Old idea for the skins farmed in zero

I just hope ultimately they make it so the more rare items for any of the games have to be made with zero’s resources or even better, inside the zero game itself.

[lethal valley]

oh yes i get in like 3-4 times a day
thank u sir

[rotund reef]

Ok, this is a bit different of an explaination than I have heard before, to my understanding at least. But there was such a sharp increase in the top illuvials this past month. From zero to a lot, often. It's a strange uptick. And I was seeing a lot of people mention their success on this too.

My only concern/hope is this isn't happening because they have added more top tier illuvial biodata, thus diluting the pool. Top illluvials went from impossible to pretty easy to get in 1 month. And when there's only so many to go around....

[radiant sky]

The pool is individual.

everyone has it's own pool basically.

[rotund reef]

Can you go into that a bit? So the amount of top level biodata isn't finite? It simply increases with each active player??

[radiant sky]

you don't really have to look at it like a shared pool.
It's more like you have your own pool with 1 biodata for each illuvial.
Every time you find a biodata, it gets like deleted from your pool and you can only find what you didn't found yet.
This is the reason why you find the high tier high stage easely as soon as you found all low tier BD

[tardy falcon]

Isn’t there a finite amount of bps? Or no?

Or are we just working against time… whenever set two cones out?

[radiant sky]

Afaik nothing is finite as long as the set is ongoing.

not in zero and not in OW

[tardy falcon]

Only 4000+ more to go

Can we get Perry to increase data bank storage?

[rotund reef]

Ok good explaination on that, thank you. But my new concern now is this lack of things being finite. Let's say the amount of actively played land doubles tomorrow. Does the amount of total biodata double as well?

[tardy falcon]

Potential

Until found

Some ppl don’t do science

Fuel snobs

[rotund reef]

I'm not worried about them. I was hoping this entire time that land holders would have the opportunity to farm things that were fairly rare, if not super rare. I set all of my land up to maximize BPs.

[radiant sky]

well... not instantyl cause they have to build up first, and not everyone is doing science as MDR pointed out above.
But the direction you are thinking is right, yes.

However, most people seem to agree that the current skin/BP system isn't ideal.
According to the meeting minutes there is also a rework proposal on it's way, just haven't heared about it anymore.

[inland shore]

is it still only the top 50 that can win in the leaderboard

[tardy falcon]

What do u mean? Of course I wanna find 4000 bps and burn 12000 illuvials

Gee wilikers it’ll be a blast 🤓

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-stirring-staring-wtf-wut-gif-25440654

[radiant sky]

and build 60 data centers to store all that data 😄

[tardy falcon]

Sounds like Heaven

[radiant sky]

yes, ser

[inland shore]

That's rough

[tardy falcon]

While I work on that I’ll be practicing turning water into wine

[radiant sky]

yea, i can see that pov.
it's the shortest reward list in the mode with the most amount of active players.
I feel a flatter distribution model would have been appreciated, even tho the last places would just get very small rewards.

[inland shore]

yeah to spend thousands on land over the past couple of years and to not able to hit top 50 is silly

[tardy falcon]

The current LB rewards lots of low tiers over few high tiers

[radiant sky]

well... the rewards are in no way proportional to original prices, but at least you would get the feeling to compete and get something.
I feel that's more worth than some might think 🙂

But in theory, you need 3x fully built out T1 and you would be in top 50 currently.

[radiant sky]

i expect an invite as soon as you mastered it 😄

[rotund reef]

Ok, thanks again for answering. You're doing your job and you're doing it well. What I'm about to say is not intended towards you. Perhaps you can pass it on to whoever is in these meetings.

I have been a big IZ apologist when people come in and complain about how they feel they got effed over and the lack of accountability when it comes to landholders getting the short end of literally everything, (which they do). I keep saying how you shouldn't be invested for right now, that doesn't make any sense. We're all holding on for the hopes that one day this project will be huge, and early investors will benefit hugely, no different than any other Web3 project. But now even I want to tap out. If biodata isn't truely rare (not whatever it is now, like truely rare), then it's not worth much at all. There was always the question of whether or not skins themselves would even be popular in this game, but I was willing to take the risk with my money and time that they might be. It appears, for now at least, this particular question had been answered in the negative. People can try to spin it otherwise, but if what you are saying is true, not only is the biodata fairly low value bc of lack rarity, it's unfixable at this point.

The whole reason people play anything these days (mostly) is to someday get rare items. And nothing in this game is rare.

[tardy falcon]

Zero is the bastard child
It will get meaningful attention after the other games are polished.

The team looks at Zero primarily as a means to farm revenue… if there’s no revenue then there’s nothing to farm.

I’ll say… I heard they will rework skins
Therefore biodata may be part of that

[rotund reef]

Landholders paid a lot of money for that land. What exactly we were getting for it wasn't spelled out very well, but there was still a contract there between us and the team, saying that if we help fund the project and not get paid back for it for a very long time, that we would be well taken care of. A crappy "I'm very sorry, now will you people please STFU already" fuel crate is all we have to show so far.

[pseudo elm]

Either the entire ecosystem of illuvium will succeed and zero will become integral to the economy in some way, or it’s just another crypto gamble that didn’t quite work out. That’s why we speculate early

[rotund reef]

Yes, obvious. My plea, because truth be told I'm keeping all my land (sunk cost fallacy and all), is to make some things rare. There should be like 10 Ramphyres, and even that's high. But there's hundreds, maybe thousands after it's all said and done. The easiest way to give us a real win (and spend absolutely no money doing it!) is to give us the opportunity to farm rare things. But instead they don't. Giant, bone-headed mistake. And so correctable. Beyond seems to get this right to a degree, just transfer those rarities to IZ. It would at least be a start. Getting an Ophisto in IZ went from exciting to "well who tf cares, there's a ton of these out there"

[inland shore]

Must be packed with converters

[tardy falcon]

still an hour right? snapshot

[pine kestrel]

yes, there is still 1 hour and 7 minutes left

[radiant sky]

thanks for the feedback.
Seems many landholders share your pov... you are not alone.

[radiant sky]

yes, definetly

[mossy sorrel]

@radiant skywill they adjust / add ways to earn points? such as scans or blueprint minting etc...? it seems right now that it's just whoever has the most coverters wins.

[minor pagoda]

Appreciate you pointing at this. I noticed this quirk of the Zero Biodata distribution before release when I started diving into understanding Zero from A to Z, but priority for changing it to a static table was not there over other things. As you say, rare Biodata becoming less rare as you collect more feels off as it trivializes rarity

Once that priority was available we were already a few months in and people spent real money equivalent and effort into collecting biodata so changing it was not possible without coming up with an elegant migration scheme

Rarity still exists to an extent on the research front in T5 Suit Lines but judging by peoples screenshots of "colect em all" Biodata, it didnt feel even close to as good as collecting Biodata (I realize this is also a function of how we UI/UX it)

I will try to address the latter in my Skin overhaul proposal which I'll present once the new council has time for me, but Biodata is untouched even there. Messing with people's current collection is a no-go to me, making new collections harder is unfair for people busy with that progression now (partly because the delta to making a static table from this dynamic table is so large). I've explored "burning" biodata in my proposal but even that feels as a no go for collectors to me, perhaps if we allow double Biodata that should be ok? Happy to discuss

Apologies I couldnt spot and make the system better in time last year 😦

[radiant sky]

Yes, no adjustments

[radiant sky]

you saw my little wishlist for stuff being rather on the low workload side? (at least from my not existing dev knowledge pov 😄 )
if, in any case there will be some free dev-time to work on Zero

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[rotund reef]

Just remember this one thing Perry (and for the love of God tell your colleagues at OW this too) -- Rarity is all you guys have in this game. Without it, there is no reason to play. It certainly isn't a fun game, after you build everything out, it's quite mundane. So why play? For the chance to make money. How do you do that? Well in IZ you really can't. Paltry fuel commissions or completely worthless biodata, take your pick. Remember this phrase forever -- "If it's not rare, it's completely and unequivocably worthless." I still cannot believe this concept was totally missed across the board. Why did the FIFA series make so much money with those player cards? Because everyone was chasing the rare ones. Same goes for anything with rare weapons, skins etc. Men (99% of your player base) want status and things their peers don't/can't have. We want that too, but often in the form of obtaining money-makers that very few of our peers can utilize the way we can. But Illuvium has done nothing but fail at this, because they didn't understand the day-one concept of rarity. When people buy packs of sports cards for example, they only buy them for the rare cards. The others get thrown in the trash and rightfully so. Why take up space with something that's not worth anything?? I have a wallet with thousands of NFTs I couldn't sell for 3 cents, and not one thing of any true rarity or value. The only thing I've gained by being an early-adopter is punishment. And an insulting gift of fuel crates, which I could use to go play OW and get more useless stuff I couldn't sell off for a penny right now.

[rotund reef]

Solution: Everything Illuvial-related in IZ and OW absolutely MUST be very.....very.....hard....to obtain. Lesser Aapon?? Hard to obtain. Phosphorus? Damn near impossible. Only a few players get one, everyone else GFY. This "collect them all" idea is only for very small children who are too young to understand the concept of value and worth. I don't know how the team can go from clueless to enlightened about this overnight, but let's hope for a miracle there. Now how can you salvage IZ? Season one you really can't, literally every piece of biodata we earn is a useless shitcoin. Nobody is going to want to make skins they'll probably end up taking a loss on. The only thing I can think of is instead of burning a lot of the biodata (Which IS a solution actually. At this point you couldn't possibly piss off your player base any more than you already have), is to allow us to exchange worthless biodata for biodata of real rarity and value. And limit this to the people who have enough high-value biodata to "afford" it (different tiers can have different values in this exchange). I'd certainly do it. This way you are essentially "burning" shitcoin biodata for something that may actually fetch a price or create real money someday. I would love to have at least one item in my Illuvium wallet I could actually value for its potential money-making ability. I certainly don't have anything currently.

[uneven pulsar]

agree 100% after ninting niodata should burned - its normal process

[fluid eagle]

How to get a Morphopod and what dose it do?

[pine kestrel]

You can shoot flying bugs in the Overworld.
Then, using the building at the Sanctum Mesa, you can send them to Zero.
And in Zero, morphopods are used to replace non-fuel resources.

To be honest, they’re practically useless.
You don’t really need to pay much attention to them.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[fluid eagle]

Ty

[rose thicket]

<@&814435151307866142> E11 hope you read this.

[hearty cradle]

thank you

[tardy falcon]

The problem with rarity is you sacrifice fun

OW previously was like that and it was fucking terrible to play. I'm not saying increasing spawn chances fixed everything.... but it did make it a little more enjoyable

balance is key... cuz JUST rarity doesn't work either. Who cares if a thing is rare if no one wants to play it or care about it

[high sleet]

That tag wont hit E11 yet

may need to tag individually is my point

[rose thicket]

Thanks for the update. Anything that you can do to appeal for transparent reporting of the DAO's revenue flowing through Stripe. Why would Labs as a contractor to the DAO not report its revenue to it? You can put two and two together as to why that is important to landholders.

[high sleet]

Stripe will be included in the quarterly financial report

[rose thicket]

it should be reported weekly. no way for anyone burning fuel to understand or trust the system without it. landholders are capitulating on this project left and right.

[high sleet]

If they feel its necessary, they can invite Danny to any meeting

[high sleet]

You feel like if they say what the stripe revenue numbers are, this capitulation would stop?

[rose thicket]

@hearty cradle @atomic cove recommend you inviting @vagrant rock to the first E11 meeting and reseting standards on finncial reporting and transparency fo the DAO's assets / revenue that Labs is serving custodian over. This would be both ethical and legally wise.

[high sleet]

Kieran did tell the council that its currently 60:40 Crypto:Stripe

[rose thicket]

Well, it would serve as a basic gesture of respect and consideration for those who invested in the Zero project. Most of the damage is done now with EP-1 and the tactics used during E11 elections.

[rose thicket]

great info to relay. the imc minutes are over 30 days behind (no direct shot at you).

[high sleet]

To say Illuvium is short staffed in that department would be an understatement. Rich is quite literally a 1 man community management army.

Illuvium only has so much manpower, financial reporting included as a part of that

[harsh dew]

I rather see the real data... vs words.

[high sleet]

Yes and we will have to wait for the quarterly report. But nothing is stopping anyone from writing a proposal requesting something else, more frequent or otherwise

[rose thicket]

2-minute exercise with Stripe to generate the report. What does this guy do? Only supports Labs? Given the payroll has been cut in half, the finance department should have a few free minutes to run reports.

[high sleet]

Then tag him and ask him why? I am sure he'd be willing to tell you

[rose thicket]

@rustic pine can we discuss financial reporting for the DAO and what can be accomplished going forward? @hearty cradle @atomic cove

[tardy falcon]

Relax... doing God's work

I appreciate it

[rustic pine]

In our next burn report, I’ll provide further detail/breakdown of revenue, including stripe sales. Thanks for the suggestion

[rose thicket]

We need it weekly given the leaderboards and burn cycle to reconcile. can this be done?

[harsh dew]

Is can be done on Stripe service:

balance_transactions
GET :// api.stripe.com/v1/balance_transactions?limit=100
Authorization: Bearer sk_test_...

Just need to filter Date by illuvium week rewards program.

[atomic cove]

if we have access to the Stripe revenue Linkky can show the weekly revenue. We don't really need an official weekly report.

[rose thicket]

awesome, so the IMC is going to get @harsh dew access? I am sure @rustic pine should be qualified to help make this happen. If not, my team or Stripe's knowledge base could demonstrate how in 30-60 seconds.

[tardy falcon]

linkky's favorite emoji 😄

[near wadi]

I wouldn't be surprised if a monocle is also present in his accessories and is actively used ))

[tardy falcon]

Sooooooo.... back to skins overhaul... @minor pagoda
Can we get an idea of what that will look like?
What will happen with all thecurrent BPs and ones in process and such?
Are we leaning towards collect all 18 and create a universal skin?

[atomic cove]

I'll be going over the skins overhaul with Perry as soon as the new epoch starts. You guys will know what's coming very soon.

[tardy falcon]

I hope the new system will incorporate enjoyability 😅

[radiant sky]

just recycled all science.
my timing skill is legendary

[rotund reef]

Right after I posted, I knew somebody would make this argument. Of course you have to make a fun game, but this balance is not hard to do. Many before us have done it. But don't forget it's also Web3. The prospect of making money (which is also really fun for most men, especially if they can play a game for it) is what separates this space from everything else. You cannot fail at this part, you won't make it.

[tardy falcon]

Agree thoughtfulness on both ends… economy and playability are important. Balance

Was just chatting with someone else about this

[atomic cove]

I would like to delve a bit deeper in this. What is fun?
I think you're conflating dopamine hit with fun. Something less rare does not mean it's more fun. I don't see how rarity plays any roll in that. It just means you get more dopamine hits.
To me fun is something that you enjoy doing and can't wait to experience more of it. And I don't see how IZ has any of that besides the theorycrafting of optimizing the land layout.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-coffee-elvis-the-alien-sip-of-coffee-coffee-break-gif-11634703750066619736

[pure fable]

yeah and optimizing the land is a pain in the a**, especially in a MC due to constant lag when moving buildings

[atomic cove]

yeah MCs need some love...

[near wadi]

ZERO is the core of Illuvium, at least that's how it was intended. Even now on the Illuvium website the description is literally "Build your City", "Own Land" and stuff like that. For me the key words here are "My city", in my city, I would like to manage at least my own resources, at my own discretion. If it's a city, not a vegetable garden, develop it, plan it.

I really liked the idea, voiced by someone above, the battle of the Illuvials. Why do we catch the Illuvials, scan them, and then what happens to them? It's logical to assume that we have entire zoos available for study. In this direction, you can come up with a bunch of mini-games inside ZERO. For example, protecting the city from enraged Illuvials. Attacking other cities. The niche is simply vast, the main thing is to set the right direction.

[atomic cove]

all that does sound interesting but I think we should lower our expectations for IZ, at least for now until the MMO is released. But I agree with you, let's push for IZ being the web3 backbone for Illuvium it was supposed to be and promised to all of us during land sale.

[near wadi]

Of course I agree, where we are now, it is difficult to find a way out. You just asked about fun, I decided to repeat what was previously voiced here and many different good suggestions. It is a pity that the team often has its own vision, which we learn at the last moment. Even now Dr.spoon, having received a request from the community, made a list that he is tired of duplicating. Now, when concentration is important, we did not see feedback (maybe I missed it).

[atomic cove]

rest assure Spoon's whishlist was dully noted by myself and once I get in council we'll see what we can do with the limited resources IZ has atm.

[broken roost]

What for? I'm curious

[barren barn]

hi when does cycle 9 get paid out?

[radiant sky]

multiple reasons which led to that decision 🙂

• data storage was an increasing concern. Replacing converters with storages especially now with leaderboard hurt too much. (if you want a big collection, half your plot is full of data/element/fuel storages.)
• Skin system itself will get an overhaul which is uncertain how it will end up. Asked on multiple occasions how that proposal lookes like, but didn't got the impression as it is something that gets done soon.
• wan't really the lottery play as it as announced earlier, since everyone gets every BP he likes to have, so set1 is kinda wrecked anyways.
• was on t3s, which has now high cost compared to lower tiers and buyng the plot is also more expensive, which likely makes it hard to stay profitable.
• Blueprints and zero skins are kinda hidden on the dex so it's hard to sell them.
• Skins itself are unfinished and one can assume they stay unfinished cause art team is needed for mmo-lite
• Zero is no focus of developement and with that skinsystem likely aswell for a very long time.

so i rather produce just fuel, burn it and try to stay in top 10 in leaderboard.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[broken roost]

Thanks that was a good read

[minor pagoda]

I dont agree with you completely. I think every collection game should have accessible entry points to hook people. So Lesser Aapon shouldnt be hard to obtain. Imo we should have curved harder from therer. Phosphorus should be a "omg he has a phosphorus", not "he has a phosphorus with score 100". The former hits the emotional response to rarity much better than the latter imo. The inclusion of random stats kind of forced our hand to the latter with rarity tuning. But even internally and also in discussions here, should collection games be very rare for your argument or should they be accessible so everyone with a few hundred $ can complete their collection? We have holo/dark holo as well to offset this. not everything has to be rare, but rare meaningful things should exist on any level in any game 100%

[tardy falcon]

Well… let’s look at beyond vs Zero

There is rng with science but the success of getting a biodata or bp is very underwhelming….

But there is a lot of similarity in the fact u have to bond and sleeve Beyond album conscientiously… just like in zero, laying plots out with thought.

However… in beyond there is much more of a social element in trading and marketplace… and leaderboard consideration

Zero is just not thought out

[rotund reef]

I would tilt heavily towards more difficult. You can always make it easier on the fly. Making it more difficult on the fly is much harder in Web3 because damage has already been done in the form of people gobbling up assets that were too easy to get.

[minor pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/wiser-words-were-never-spoken-lieutenant-olivia-benson-law-and-order-special-victims-unit-words-of-wisdom-wiser-gif-14147262

God didn't make feels zero sum

I'd love to hear from the collectors in here as well though:

Biodata burning, a dirty stain in my collection page or a more sustainable path to rarity?

[uneven pulsar]

second)

[thorny crater]

Im for anything with a “hook” or for the omg moments. For mmo games there is always these super rare aspects that can take weeks to get, if your lucky.

Need that itch in the back of the users mind that makes them want to try and get the asset/buy it/farm it etc

[fossil galleon]

First impression - what’s the “benefit” of burning biodata beyond getting more data storage? Don’t see how this adequately affects rarity after the fact.

I am still grinding for biodata on lower tiers - fuel costs over 12 months has been a lot (relatively) already, so would have to be a significant reason to burn IMHO.

[minor pagoda]

I would include burning biodata as a necessity to get something rare for example. Want "rare" Lesser Aapon skin, "burn" a Lesser Aapon biodata

This is conjecture, my created proposal does NOT include anything to do with Biodata as I thought people would feel their collection more than the rarity aspect, but the proposal is not immutable if the people feel the other way

[fossil galleon]

Thanks Perry. Ok will wait to see the proposal.
With the skin market being so low at the moment, it would be hard to justify biodata burning. Would also want to review with the perspective of what happens after set one biodata is no longer available to find.

[pseudo pulsar]

being a certain level to even qualify for certain Rarities without paying but to build the time of skill trait also can work

hunter-gatherer you need the certain ingredients

So they should stop building up so qick

time is really the answer to all Rarity

time of play I can't really counterfeit that

[tardy falcon]

I don't mind biodata burning

[pseudo pulsar]

and that may just help whale influence as well the whales have to gain skill

[mortal mural]

when biodata hunt was starting i love the thrill of getting biodata first, but after a while its just it just it didnt hit the same stop. i would love another way of getting something rare. maybe a piece of something that we can trade to get all pieces to get something else?. im not sure.

[pseudo pulsar]

time alone can be used as increase and decrease for punishment

[tardy falcon]

But the whole system needs to be considered

Still don't know what the overhaul is... and it should really be an entire BP, biodata, science overhaul

[pseudo pulsar]

artifacts can be introduced in the game as well just so that it doesn't affect the blueprint rate of crafting

[tardy falcon]

It's like saying, 'I'm gonna update my bathroom'... but you only change the toilet and the sink... but there's still the dated cabinetry and tiles and tub...

[minor pagoda]

I think my proposal might hit the right note with some people, but you can be the judge, I'll muse on a Biodata burning integration variant before I chat on it with Filow

[radiant sky]

so eliminate the whole research part?

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-ponder-got-it-gif-20305798

[minor pagoda]

huh? where did I say this?

[radiant sky]

if burning biodata=skin, why would people research?

[minor pagoda]

Did I say burning biodata=skin?

I would include burning biodata as a necessity to get something rare for example. Want "rare" Lesser Aapon skin, "burn" a Lesser Aapon biodata

Implies burning biodata would become a STEP in obtaining a skin, but I should have been more clear it seems

[pseudo pulsar]

punishment is a form of gauntlet that could be the dungeon subtitles certain boss has a certain loot rate for certain artifact

[radiant sky]

hmm... maybe i don't get it.

i guess i'll also wait patiently for that proposal 😄

[minor pagoda]

Even gave the biodata part = conjecture caveat 😭

[pseudo pulsar]

researching would have to go into skill leveling

certain level skill certain success rate so on

Gain different titles like Grandmaster legendary

novice

[radiant sky]

oh... didn't back read all of it 🙃

[pseudo pulsar]

and for MMO style you could have looting which if you didn't have a percent of insurance or bonding on an item it could be stolen if competitor kills you

biodatas could turn into Scrolls which are needed to level up skill

Past gm 100

has to feel like you're going into battle in all fronts are being controlled to feel like you made the skill of decision of the win

automated activity really can't take part without a really Hefty price

time of completion would equal out to price to buy in as long as bots cant automat any movement

this affected the old games like Auto Mouse would contribute to someone not having to spend the time

ghost mouse what they calld it

repeating an action to gain skill level

all this leads to never-ending nerfing skills the law of the land will chang to keep it fair constantly

[mossy sorrel]

could this work for perhaps say... holo or dark holo skins? need to use 3 of those illuvials + burn a biodata

and by 3 of those i mean holo/dark

I bet dark holo skins would be pretty sick... if this game ever succeeds that is

I do think all "skins" need a lot more work... skins need to be skins rather than color schemes on the same suit. but this is not even close to being a priority right now.

[spring void]

If the idea is to make skins more valuable then the research building and singularity scanner should have been capped at 1 building per plot, not 5. Slow the progression/creation down. Too late now but thats a miss from my pov

[near wadi]

@minor pagoda
Zero, our city, our shelter, our base. Everything that is valuable in the game, one way or another, would be cool to be able to extract, concentrate in your base. Make it possible to improve illuvials, like the idea with training halls is good, but the details are unknown. Make it possible to mint standard and mega discs, let it be difficult and time-consuming, let there be costs, but it will be an opportunity. Or add collections to Beyond, which are obtained only in Zero. We need more interconnections that unite all the games into a single whole. Skins, you are looking for a way to make them valuable, but the skins themselves in the final version do not carry much value. We also need practical benefits, we can not ignore them. A lot of work, thank you for listening to the community.

[pseudo pulsar]

dashboard front-end social media in game look how Facebook works for the mass to stay social

[stiff skiff]

Hi guys, why are land prices collapsing?... Any news?

[near wadi]

most likely it is the lack of news that causes the fall, hopefully temporary))

[minor pagoda]

Not hearing from the collectors, the ones who posted screenshots of finding rare biodata, is it because they are not there (not anymore) or because they are less vocal?

[near wadi]

in my opinion, most likely the lack of news related to progress, development... for example, I have long ago collected all the blueprints, and they are still lying there, I personally did not see any benefit in them at this stage of development..

[minor pagoda]

Alright, I'll try and see if I can come up with a Biodata Burning variant and we can discuss which is best once the proposal is up

[pseudo pulsar]

hopefully the MMO brings skill traits biodata could be power scrolls aka added percent increase falling back on the skill increase

even say that everybody has equal performance levels just having the extra data and scrolls could increase your success rate and give you a title for achievement proof of work

[radiant sky]

Probably because they found them all Long time ago

And it's not the Same posting an ophosto biodata if you saw already 20 people posting it before you

[amber hamlet]

Just grabbed a tier 3... Hoping there isn't some insider knowledge I'm missing 😂🤣😂

Got a perfect one for 300 bucks. Probably too good to be true , right? Game gonna go bankrupt tomorrow. It's my fault guys, sorry

[junior hollow]

anyone know how many biodata are out there?

[twin sequoia]

130 biodata and 2860 blueprints (each biodata 4 drones and 18 armours at the moment)

[junior hollow]

thanks, just wanna know when I should stop scanning for biodatas and focus more on obtaining bps

[wicked horizon]

Now 2 Ophisto blueprints found in one day 👀

[wicked horizon]

No idea if these things are worth anything anymore but I doubt it haha but I’m pot committed to keep searching. Zero only takes up 2-3 min a day now

How do people have storage for 2,000+ blueprints? People just start replacing power plants with storage eventually?

[fossil galleon]

When I go to the illuivdex it’s showing no listed drone skins. I had some listed and now they’re not. Anyone else see any listed?

[iron laurel]

Someone brought this up earlier and it is being looked into.

[fossil galleon]

Thanks Torial - thought I was going mad for a sec there 😂

[pearl dust]

For now, use tokentrove drone skins section, while they fix the illuvidex bug 💚

[fossil galleon]

Cheers - although when I checked TT earlier it was also showing no drone skins listed. Will check again later today.

[unkempt kettle]

What is tokentrove?

[radiant sky]

it's an imx marketplace

[real ice]

do you know why my all last 4 lands purchase was from zero beginning , no business was left , did was reset before sold or i got unlucky and those lands was never played before?

[radiant sky]

those plots likely never have been played

[real ice]

it's any way can check lands was played or not ?

[radiant sky]

no

some people post their progress in #🛒〕land-dex tho

but you still have to trust in what they advertise there...

and they usually want a big premium for that progress

[twin sequoia]

Yes, they were never played. Even when reset, the level of the plot remains. So it is level 0, it was never played

[twin sequoia]

No so big premium ... it is a lot of hard work 😉

[twin sequoia]

When looking into #🛒〕land-dex you can ask for pictures (and trust people you know form chat 😉 )

[real ice]

yes its very hard work i got 4 lands from zero so its to much work for few weeks it nightmare 😁

[twin sequoia]

I wish it were weeks! you need 4 months with 2 workers for a decent T1. 5 for a good one. And 1.5 less months with 3 workers for a T2+. But the workers are an investment too.

[radiant sky]

a saw prices surpassing floorprice of the next higher tier, or get close to that price level.
I feel it's fair saying it's a big premium mostly 🙂

[real ice]

to stay in top 50 how many lands need example 2xT4 enough?

or 1xT4 and 3xT3?

[radiant sky]

last cycle i think 3xt1 were enough

competition might get fiercer tho... especially if token price rises and rewards are looking juicier

[hoary gazelle]

have 8 t1 and was rank 450 so i think some more is required.

[tardy falcon]

I'm getting lazy

you are all welcome XD

[twin sequoia]

I´m waiting for the snapshot. Though I was top 20 but only got 1ILV

I don´t think I´ll try top 10, so will release some plots

[radiant sky]

well... you also need to have:

• fully built out plots
• Layouting skill
• dedication (<-- mostly this)

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-18551397

[hoary gazelle]

6 Plots are maxed out. 2 i bought later lvl 150now
Layout is also optimized on Fueloutput, and farming i do like 2times a day.

5k Points is max for me with this setup for a week...

Think OW Top 100 is ways easier to reach^^

[radiant sky]

need to switch from max fuel-output to max-efficiency converters and start converting.

[hoary gazelle]

ah okay got the trick
didnt thought it would give points just for fuel generation...
Thx for Advice ^^
Makes sense though, but will take me years for restructuring my plots than with 36 conv think than its not possible for me. I optimized for Space not for efficiency. Otherwise there is no oportunity to reach 5 scanner + 36 conv right ?

[radiant sky]

Yes, you can't build 36 * Max efficiency converter + 5 scanner

[hoary gazelle]

nice ! do you have a plot with this kind of layout ?

[radiant sky]

i think you misread... you can NOT build that 🙂

[twin sequoia]

It isn´t hard to build a layout for ~18 converters at max efficency. A bit tricky for 19/20. And then starts the fun staff 🙂

[hoary gazelle]

There are possibilities for fuel Generation of 36 maxed.
But than only 4 Scanners with 100% possible.

So so crazy it isnt but ya than no possibilities for max the conversion rate

[hoary gazelle]

For passive gameplay yes than thats max

[pseudo pulsar]

best strategy for finding biodata max out scanners ?

also some material labs working with T-1 s and a T-2

My T-2

[twin sequoia]

I always set 4/5 scanners lvl 5 at 100%. Some people don´t mind 90-100% but I think it is important to find as soon as possible and stop using them

[tardy falcon]

heya I added u... can u pm?

[signal maple]

need a little luck with fuel extractor position for 20 but 19 is feasible for most lands

and trust me, all of my lands are bought from others and I haven't seen who really know to play this game. Idk if they really understand all the game mechanics

[dry plank]

hey builders! I just picked up a T4 I didn't realise it was full maxed out, how do you see this before buying (just curious)?
Couldn't believe it was so cheap!

[signal maple]

it costs me days to get a perfect layout so yeah, still enjoy the game so far

[signal maple]

actually even if it is empty, you can reach the endgame state in a week with T4 so I think the plot state is not a big factor to consider for high tier plots

[signal maple]

and this plot still has many things to improve on the layout also

[woven tangle]

some times you get lucky buying lands and they are levled up some its rather nice

[signal maple]

pretty sure the reason is cheap is the owner want to sell as soon as possible

[dry plank]

Good to know! thanks @signal maple
Definitely a lot of efficiency to be had, which is definitely nice that I can still play around a bit. But yeah surprised it was built out so much and then sold so cheap.
Would be cool if you can view the plots more before you buy them in my opinion, kinda like how you would go to a house inspection before you buy one lol

[woven tangle]

i think the top guys playing zero dont sleep lol

[dry plank]

I don't know how they do it lol sleep is like the best thing in the world

[signal maple]

sure we all want that feature, and I also want we can re-buy the unplayed plot 🙂

[compact nebula]

How much is a T2 floor nowdays?

[dry plank]

this is whats on the illuvium website marketplace

[pseudo pulsar]

what I paid for a T2 couple months back ..

[dry plank]

That’s either good they are stable, or bad they aren’t gaining value…depends on which way you want to look at it 😅

[pseudo pulsar]

looks like a flat line hopefully it won't drop any more unless everybody starts dropping out no real flow and holding going on just sustainers ..

you figure the people with activity now if you would double that the land prices should double just to small of a group to push flow of consumption to many lands abandoned .same with Beyond if you start pushing unrealized potential into something that doesn't have the realization you just flooded it

[wicked horizon]

So only 50 Zero players are earning ILV rewards? No wonder everyone is bailing.

[hazy jewel]

if you call 1 ilv per week a reward.....

[wicked horizon]

I mean if you had all 52 weeks in a year it’d be $500+ just for winning, not nothing

[hazy jewel]

so more or less 10 yers for break even

i placed 50 last week

i'm actually 35

i played actively since day 1 of zero released

i spent roughly 5k for 6 plots

1 tier 3 and 5 tier 1