🎮〕illuvium-zero

[real ice]

no this on cycle 3

i burned yesterday 8 k

and another couple days before 1 k

[vivid cipher]

What does the history say?

[tardy falcon]

yah feel that... I'm here for the ride now. still curious where it goes. not overinvested anymore. been a journey tho.

[real ice]

history says only cycle 1 and 2 what i burned

how to check my history burnt on cycle 3

[vivid cipher]

So it does not look like this?

[real ice]

looks like that my

but i was burned ready 9k before i burned more 10k on this cycle

regret i didn't make picture before i burned more

[vivid cipher]

Hmm weird. Use the report button in the game menu.

That will account link the ticket thread that gets emailed to you. You can use that email thread to add screenshots and more information.

[mortal mural]

i just claimed in fuel

https://tenor.com/view/no-ragrets-no-regrets-fail-gif-4946750

[real ice]

how to open ticket here on discord?

[vivid cipher]

You can’t.

The support system is best started in game.

But can be done on the website shared in #❓❓〕support

Doing so on the site does not automatically add your account info though. So be sure to include as much account info as you could if you go that route.

[mortal mural]

HEHEHEHE

i like this autodrone thingy

is kinda additing

[real ice]

so on zero what i need to include?

[vivid cipher]

Short description of the issue

Account info is automatically collected

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/emmet-otter-emmet-otter-jug-band-christmas-row-boat-row-the-boat-gif-24229266

im on the same boat

for the time being, is not even worth reclaiming eth, im just gonna claim fuel and autodrone it and have some fun

[lime pier]

Likely my maths is wrong or I’m misunderstanding how the new system works but the amount of ETH I can claim doesn’t match.

I thought the revenue pot was 5% of the total for that cycle and then we’d get our burn % from that? If so cycle 1 total was 3.88639 ETH, 5% of that = 0.19432 ETH and my cycle 1 share was 0.016% of that, so should be 0.0031 ETH. However the amount I can claim is only 0.000031 ETH?

[harsh dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4NXcmYQIqk

[twin knot]

It's correct

[gray stream]

0.016% equals a factor of 0.00016

[vague summit]

Here's mine if you want to have a little more comparable data.

[lime pier]

ah yeah muppet error. thanks

[twin sequoia]

@harsh dew what are the addresses to get this data?

[lyric lodge]

Cause it's really not fun

I think if mmo is good they can come back....in hindsight they should have those two new guys from the start ....the must have paid then loads to get them to move

At this point I am in no way investing more. I have to accept I basically lost all the money I put in ...T1 was hardest to do and is basically worth zero

[tardy falcon]

Well… doesn’t seem like anyone on the team is giving up any time soon so I’m here also to go on the ride

In a way u could say there’s too much already built for it to just die… it’s more of ‘how to make it work’

[harsh dew]

0xbb7d2d46352ad21e4dfc07db90c9bd1ec2dbb177
It's the once from the annoncement

[lyric lodge]

Oh yeah the ip is awesome....a mario karting game would be great ect

[twin sequoia]

I looked for it in etherscan, but didn´t think it was the right one

I didn´t do the maths 😦

[oblique mango]

I calculated it on my own example.
In cycle 2 I burned fuel that related to the total fuel burned in the amount of 0.043%...
Cycle 2 Total Fuel Revenue (ETH): 8.178423224557180922871488851

5% = 5/100 = 0.05
0.05 x 8.1784 ETH = 0.40892 ETH

my 0.043% = 0.043/100 = 0.00043

my reward in ETH = 0.00043 x 0.40892 ETH = 0.0001758356
for obvious reasons, the rewards were rounded down to 0.000175
which you can see in the picture.

Unfortunately, I am worried about the addresses that I checked in ethscan and nothing matches unless they are special addresses on ImutableX, could someone explain this to me and give me guidelines to check.
The addresses they provide:
New address for collecting fuel payments:
New Fuel wallet 0xbb7d2d46352ad21e4dfc07db90c9bd1ec2dbb177
Contains 41 transactions up to the time of writing the post for an estimated amount of ~0.8 ETH, I don't know exactly, I counted in my head
Without outgoing transactions!

Wallet for distributing rewards:
Fuel Rewards wallet 0x73fad9030f3ff9416d7ebfe8955692d63af33107
There was nothing in it! And no transaction history!

Can someone from the team check these wallets and whether we are talking about L1 wallets that we can check on ethscan or others, e.g. L2 in the IMX network, please correct the team and provide precise guidelines, I have devoted too much time to this game, especially in beta tests, to just give up now, my report, ideas and concepts regarding the game will be released soon. If you still intend to save it, read it because you did not listen to what I wrote to you in beta tests. You have what I expected on the market, both token, ILV, lands and Illuvials, which will ultimately lead to the collapse of the Illuvium project, but you still have time to fix it, but I do not know if you will have enough money because I am telling you right now, no one is buy new lands anymore even at current market prices...

By the way, I calculated the estimated return on my T2 land at current prices on the market and you know what? I will get my money back in 6 years, provided that people continue to buy fuel in this amount, which I doubt, and most importantly, if you increase the division from burning land to a fair minimum of 50%, as it should have been from the beginning. Someone forgot to add 0, but you can easily fix it, otherwise the money from my land will be back in about 60 years, cool, isn't it 🙂

greetings to fans of RPG games ala Pokemon and the entire Illuvium team!

GregoryGolden85

[vivid cipher]

Most of the eth purchases are on immutascan since they are on immutable X

[oblique mango]

on Immutable explorer I cant find, looks like both addresses not exist, please send me here link to verify both wallets and all transactions, some thinks smelled...

[inner zinc]

Yes it’s my land

[signal maple]

I can offer 0.09 eth price for u

[inner zinc]

Why my land ?

[signal maple]

u can make quick x1.5 profit on this to buy another 1 T2 and T1 if u still want to invest on this game

u cannot expand on current land anyway

[inner zinc]

It’s my first land, i havnt profit for the moment. I would win some ETH before sell and buy more land

Sorry for my english

[signal maple]

yep I know, I mean if u accept my offer u have make 1.5x profit immediately. And you can do sth with that profit if u want

[inner zinc]

1,5x profit ? 😅

[signal maple]

you buy this land with 0.06 eth?

I can ensure this profit much better than the game can give you currently. And you have only 1 land so u can free to choose new land if u want to invest again in the game

[inner zinc]

I need reflexion and calcul Time before

[signal maple]

yep feel free to do that

u know my contact now

[runic raft]

is there a section or pinned comment where i can learn more about the landmarks on what they do / provide?

[signal maple]

https://illuvium.io/news/51-illuvium-land-sale-explained
I believe the effect not changed since then

[runic raft]

thank you sir

[harsh dew]

What does this mean... ?
What is considered ** to cover the initial 5% revenue share payout for Cycle 1 and 2.** ?
This part is kind of unclear to me anyone can help here?

[twin knot]

That's the 5%. It's slightly below 0.7ETH right?

[signal maple]

maybe the remainder for transactions fee or sth like that, its pretty close to 5% already

[harsh dew]

There is fees on imx network ?

When someone decide to claim Fuel rewards, they only can do it in Fuel or ETH and it's on immutable x passeport so there no fee right ?

[twin knot]

Right but they had to provision that wallet for the initial payout for cycle 1&2 this is what this sentence is saying

Now things are rolling as they should

[harsh dew]

Those numbers are the total sale/revenu generated from Fuel right ?
so we just need to extract * 5% from it to know the Revenu from those who burned Fuel ?

[twin knot]

Correct

[harsh dew]

So 1% of last cycles will look like this ?

[twin sequoia]

Yes, but add a 3rd or 4th decimal place in ETH reward, would be more accurate hehe

[twin knot]

The 1% Eth is not correct

[twin knot]

I mean you want to know the earning as landholder burning 1% of the total dedicated pool right? So it should be 0.01*0.19

[harsh dew]

Yeah, I fixed the formula

[twin knot]

Exactly. I would add a column "Total fuel burnt" also

[harsh dew]

We don't know that number Total fuel burnt

[twin knot]

Additionally it would be fantastic to get the number of plots who burnt fuel, with breakdown per Tier. But that only the team can provide

[twin knot]

Yes we do of course everyone has it's share

[harsh dew]

Yes, but we can only see it in game right for the Total Fuel burnt ?

[twin knot]

See it's like a bit more than 3M for the first cycle

And like 2.8M for cycle 2

I mean these decimals are killing accuracy

[twin sequoia]

rewardx10. It is 0.00194 and 0.00409 (so 3,1 & 6,5)

This is x10 check the formula

[harsh dew]

True fixed it 😅

By the way the real Fuel deman is higher than that because of the Fuel Crate still in curculation. I did collected the data of minted by Tiers and burned Crates by tier has well just need sometime to add it into a report and This will be something Landowners would want for sure!

[twin knot]

Just curious why do you take 1% as reference?

[harsh dew]

Quickest number that came to my head at that moment

Would be nice to have and the average but we don't have access to those data... they are all indivisual data that each landowners have in their History Burned Dashboard

Would be more realistic to have 0.01% ?

[twin knot]

Anyone can make its own projection

Most important is to track the total fuel burnt

That's the only figure we have on the supply side

[harsh dew]

Yeah, as reference

[twin knot]

And you'll see once revenue kicks in so will the production of fuel

[twin sequoia]

you can use your own real share. Just add a column to put it manually and use it as source as I did

[signal maple]

holy shit, this guy have 40 minted T4 plots and he even doesn't play 😂 I am your neighbour can we contact and have a little talk
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/0x6812b9ece52368950146161607f074d69db6cad4?collection=Land

[twin sequoia]

There are people with more lands, but not so many T4 AFAIK. I guess they just bought to "invest" or specualte (and it ends bad)

Here you have 22 unlisted T4
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/0x094a3e9d8fb629af390c40c26d6b34650f2d1063?collection=Land
or 54 T1 + 1 T2, and only 1 T1 listed
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/0x72fa735082bc51681c6a427ea33a3e13cb8a55a9

This is one of the reasons why so few plots are active

And Initial landsale was so expensive

Whitouth them plots had been much cheaper (and Illuvium expenses would had been more logical)

[vivid cipher]

https://immutascan.io/address/0xbb7d2d46352ad21e4dfc07db90c9bd1ec2dbb177

https://etherscan.io/address/0xbb7d2d46352ad21e4dfc07db90c9bd1ec2dbb177

[radiant sky]

Current landmark bonuses:

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[sacred moss]

Thats is 1m+ dollars OMG

[open stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[oblique mango]

Thank you very much Jesse for the correction, it seems that this is true data. Everything looks fine but I still think that it would be fair to increase the profits for landowners from 5% to 50% only then, for example in my case the land pays off in 6-8 years and I can basically play it for free even with one T2 land because I don't play much and don't need large amounts of fuel.

I think that with the current rules of profiting from owning land, land will constantly fall down like rest assets in Illuvium, and useless token ILV of course... but soon I will throw in my idea how to fix it all so that the game doesn't crash. Unfortunately I wasn't listened to in beta tests, maybe this time someone important will read it and think about it. Maybe the new people responsible for the MMO OverWorld Illuvium will take a look and copy something from my ideas which I will present soon....

best regards!

[sacred moss]

Is he still alive? I fell his sadness, and i think he is in too much depression i guess. Some people at that amount of loss can commit suicide.

[tardy falcon]

40 t4 plots cranking out burns could maybe produce 30% of total supply... shit that's like 150-200/week 😅

[sacred moss]

500k$ a month for dao while land and token holders are dipping blood. Maybe at time like this dao should only take 60 to 90% less. Minus all miscellaneous fee like server, dev, ect.

[tardy falcon]

avg $20k each plot? $800,000 investment? crazy sauce

[twin sequoia]

He could be richer than all of us together and don´t bother with the price, reading your comment from his 300ft yacht, who knows.

[vivid cipher]

The DAO’s only fees are the dev costs. It’s not extra money getting saved up somewhere.

That’s $500,000 sunk cost each month.

[sacred moss]

1.4m$ monhtly and the game is like going to know where. And now is like going back to lvl1 again.

Maybe this time i hope they learned so much from it. And move forward for the best.

[oblique mango]

first of all, if they spending every month that much, investing another $3000-$5000 in the form of an equal 50%/50% split with landowners won't change anything for them, and the credibility of the Illuvium project will increase in the long term by 1000%!!!

Apart from that, compare how much the game collected from the sale of lands and the ILV token and you will understand that they must have this money, if not, it means that they lost it on the crypto market or casino.

Only a long-term investment in the credibility of fanatical players and early investors will make this game one of the most popular RPG games and successfully enter e-sports, that's how I see it...

[dusk siren]

what % of the total raise would you expect to be totally lost on "oopsies" and "we learnt from that"?

[oblique mango]

small question?
Where did the tens of millions of dollars from land sales go?

[oblique mango]

I know most of it comes from the old silv token but it didn't come from nowhere either... Jesus this game is going to die if we don't come up with something with these fees it won't survive. Do we know how much they have in the vault in reserves. And in what currencies do they hold it and will they buy back the ILV token or have they already crossed it out even at such low prices?

[radiant sky]

#📣〕announcements message

[cedar hamlet]

peanuts

[tardy falcon]

Just had a thought about the rewards claim for Landholders. Being that there is a standard bonus of 20% to claim Fuel instead of Eth... why not increase that bonus specifically for Landholders to 300% until a threshold of revenue is met.

300% is not really a lot based on current revenue... would incentivize gameplay... and get more people playing the other games.

That 300% bonus could have a linear decay as revenue increases.

For math purposes...

if an account burns 40k fuel/wk they receive about 900 Fuel Reward
300% would be around 2700 Fuel which still is far less than the 40k burned but would allow Landowners to engage in the ecosystem more.

Could even be up to 600%

Curious ppl thoughts if it should be a proposal @radiant sky @south mural

[tardy falcon]

I understood the concern of plot to account was the amount... 300% on current values is still a fraction of overall production based on current revenue.

I heard the openess of the idea of plot to account from some council ppl but the concern was as you mention... supply. Finding a balance because right now it's essentially nothing.

And are we really concerned about over supply? XD There's already a shit ton of supply... this just lets people play more. And might even generate more revenue cuz you actually allow ppl to kickstart rather than non-start.

[tardy falcon]

Ah well... Just thought that the restaurant theory could help. You walk by an empty restaurant then you are likely to pass it by and go to the restaurant where there are people eating and enjoying themselves

[tardy falcon]

I dont totally agree... post revision is def funner

they would have to balance in arena if the new illuvials had different typings

and you aint gonna see rogier use ai for the art in this lifetime

[oblique mango]

thank you very much I have look proper good when I find time, I love numbers analyzing

[fair temple]

His sketches are 30 minutes compared to 5 second AI stuff. But it would still be necessary for the AI to make a model/image off of it as they cant read our brains yet.

Someone who sketches as fast and as gruesomely good as Rogier will always be valuable!
But yeah once AI is able to use these models to make new original illuvials, that would be a cool next step. I dont think it is at that level yet, however.

[narrow bear]

Has anyone got a decent walkthrough for illuvium zero land now the economy has been revamped?

[narrow bear]

The dao needs to change imo.

[narrow bear]

So just to confirm our plots don’t generate fuel direct to our passports? We have to buy the fuel again?

[radiant sky]

I'm still in the process of moving to another place, PC isn't Set up yet. But gona have a Look at it later. This Day or tomorrow.

To be honest, haven't read the latest Blogs yet, for example idk what happens to the revenue that didn't get claimed in ETH but instead in fuel.... Have to Look into that Stuff.
Aswell as the illuvial Market, i guess it gets flooded now anyways with adr Runs... if so, the only concerns would be missing revenue.... Missing revenue of 1% of the needed consumerbase to get to a sustainable revenue income.
In my head it's almost the Same as activating the fuel Transfer again without the need of balancing Zero production with OW cunsumption.
For sure worth to think about. 🤔

Ai ist far from that i think, you talking about animated 3d models, ai could barely do still 2d pictures 😄

[radiant sky]

You can't Transfer fuel anymore to your passport.
You can Burn now fuel for a share of 5% of the total revenue.
Apparently you can claim that share either in ETH or in fuel.

[twin sequoia]

AI couln´t create the Illuvials, but could give game designers and artist the idea to start new ones

And AI can create the draw in just 5 seconds, but you may need 1 hour to write what you exactily want and fix details

[radiant sky]

Who knows what in 10 years will be... Would be nice if ai tools would improve that much.
So far i'm still sceptic.
We are what now, 5 years into AI Image tools and they still not able to draw humanoids with 2 Hands and 10 fingers

[dusty cobalt]

How can we call that "not bad" when it wouldn't be even remotly usuable for anything in this state lol

[twin sequoia]

I´m not talking about 5 years, or even 2. I´m talking about now

[dusty cobalt]

I'm far from closed-minded i'm just down to earth and realistic (also don't have vested financial interest for anything with "AI" in the name to perform). It's not remotely where it needs to be to be usuable in any professionnal setting.

Out of the 4 images, one resembles and that one just added 2 spikes on the same image, which any of the artists on the team would have done faster than the time it took you to get the image, write and wait for the output.

But let's talk about the important point, get any AI to take any of your 4 images and create another one with the same char in a different position.

It's definitely not there, in the future maybe, maybe we'll have flying cars by then too

It's just 2 pen stroke to add the horns so yes the artist would have done that faster

[shut hearth]

Hi, where can I see how much time is left until the end of the cycle? And how many have I contributed or the expected reward?

[hearty cradle]

the ghibli-fy AI is pretty cool

[long ivy]

Have yall thought about notifications for Illuvium Zero app on iPhone?

To let us know when production and construction is finished

[high sleet]

It's definitely not there. But its insanely close to adding new poses to an existing images. I actually think if gpt does a big image upgrade again in 2026, it'll be there. No idea if thats usable or useful for anything, but getting new images based on old ones will exist in 2026 at the latest.

[tardy falcon]

I'm currently using AI for a project and it's incredibly frustrating. To get it to generate EXACTLY what you want takes A LOT of time. Even still, it's not going to create the exact textures you need, meshes, rigs, etc. AI is generic and not usable for profesional artistic rendering in its current state without tons of additional human work... which is arguable whether it is easier for an artist to have just done it from the start.

[vivid cipher]

https://youtu.be/gfct0aH2COw?si=_gIDkjzbSpeDT025

Oh crap. I’m going off topic.

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[tardy falcon]

😝

[rotund forum]

I am using AI quite frequently now, but the warning "AI can make mistakes" is an understatement. Just try using a handful or two of different agents to figure something out and you will notice immediately some have very contradicting results. Will it get better, yes. Will it be fast: yes, I think it will evolve quite quickly and improve but right now, it is still in its baby shoes.

[vague summit]

I was trying to get the AI on my phone to skip the song without me having to press a button. It crashed my phone three times in a row. 🙂

[junior depot]

I’m curious when I checked Etherscan, I couldn’t see my ILV lands. However, I can see a secondary wallet listed on the Illuvium site under my MetaMask address. My question is: why can’t I see it on Etherscan?

[hearty cradle]

because the land is on immutable

L2

[spice vector]

The key bit that’s missing is the integration with the modelling apps and example data.

AI needs the data of hundreds of thousands of models to use as a base. to train the model. Then you need to connect to the right apps via something like MCP (model context protocol developed by anthropic) so that the model can do things like build rigs for animation. Technically all possible today, it’s just not nicely packaged.

You also need a style to follow. Like if you have an example of what you want, you’ll be able to generate a ton of different things in the same style. If you have no clue of what you want then it’s still always going to have the same problems and it’ll get it wrong more often than not. To get best results, you should give it smaller tasks too currently

Anything AI should really be seen as augmenting human capability currently, rarely will it completely replace human capability.

[spice vector]

Yes and no. Theirs tiers to it. Lowest tier will mostly be some form of vibe coding. Gets less as you get higher

You're missing one crucial part of software development.... people need to understand what they want, not what they think they want - but the deeper underlying problem solving

[harsh dew]

AI will be a tool use in the futur what ever the topic is… it’s optimized this way

[tardy falcon]

Def... it's a tool, not a replacement

[high sleet]

I saw this one. This is turning really really simple objects so I don't count that, not yet. But it does prove that we are surprisingly close.

[high sleet]

Yep. For every industry.

[grand silo]

anyone know how long the weekly rewards are going for?

[quiet hare]

is there a youtube video guide for Zero?

[long lodge]

Does anyone know the highest level that you can upgrade the structures? And how many units of fuel you get out of the highest level? Thanks!

[hardy brook]

I think scoriox did some IZ guide stuff a while back. But if there's something specific you're wanting to know asking here is probably better. I would imagine his content is outdated now

[real dawn]

Are morphopods integrated in any way yet?

[copper inlet]

you can send them from Overworld and use to lower the cost of Minting Blueprints

[real dawn]

Holy, okay 😅 but it does not speed up right?

[copper inlet]

nope, only cost

[twin knot]

And that's a wrap! 130 Biodata found

[radiant sky]

Fuel output depends on what tier of land you have.
Max lvl is different for some structures.

Max lvl:

• Nexus/EWS 9
• QF 6
• Element converter/extractor 9
• Fuel converter/extractor 6
• Scanner/Material lab 5
• ZPT/data-banks 3
• Powerstation 9

[radiant sky]

can check starting dates and duration in:
https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-rewards-are-back-rangers

[grand silo]

thanks, from what I can see it only shows launch date

for Zero

[radiant sky]

in zero you currently have only the revenue distribution of the 5% share of the total revenue.
That is a feature Zero has and has no end date.

Leaderboards aren't live yet as far as i'm aware.
I guess we will see how that works and for how long it stays as soon as it is live

[torpid relic]

For T1 plots, it's probably better to focus on science instead of fuel since there's only the 1 fuel site and getting the converters to max efficiency is damn near impossible, right?

[radiant sky]

i don't have current prices in mind... if you would have bought back at landsale, for max fuel output you should have bought a bunch of t1

don't have really accurate numbers since i don't have a fuel focused t3 and my t4 is included in my MC and with that has more output than a single t4.... but that's roughly the ratio

[hardy brook]

I don't really get leaderboard for IZ tbh. I think they should do raffle tickets for exp earned during a cycle. Give the little guys at least half a chance of get some rewards.

[rotund forum]

a leaderboard will imply that all lands are in the same wallet. But ok, 1 account is one wallet. Leaderboard should be pretty much the same always, except when someone buys more land, or someone hoards for weeks and then has a one time pole position. Still, I think it will be fun to see.

[radiant sky]

IDK how leaderboard is set up.
What do you mean with little guys?

you maxed out all those powerstations? 😄

[hardy brook]

Well I'm assuming this leaderboard is going to be ranking us all on our output of some kind. Ain't no way people playing a couple of T1 plots can compete. So just raffle to at least give everyone a chance at a reward. Otherwise it's just going to be the same account receiving rewards every week with no way for anyone else to compete

[radiant sky]

If you make it about fuel output, you could also do it per plot and make different leaderboards for different tiers to make it "competitive".

doing it per account fuel burnt is kind of redundant i guess since that's exactly how the rev share works.

[radiant sky]

not sure about that... then people would feel obliged to create multiple accounts and move land to new created accounts to min max the rewards.

[uncut sphinx]

hello

[radiant sky]

for sure, people always complain.
But i would avoid anything in any game which benefits multi accounting

[twin sequoia]

Changing the criteria, like the bounty hunt, would be fun. In the announcement it is said that it is about leveling buildings. I guess that they add a multiplier per tier to even it.

[tranquil notch]

They could just count the plot with the most points to solve the problem. Then there is no advantage of having multiple plots. On the other side it would maybe motivate people to buy more 🤔 well they are limited anyway. So maybe just count the best.

[radiant sky]

not neccessarily they should be able to get science/fuel output data per plot.

[hardy brook]

Whatever they decide I hope it is an element sink. Because I'm just throwing element away every day

Yeah but if element was used for rewards too we now have to make a choice. That makes things a little more interesting

[radiant sky]

i don't think it's a bad thing that having multiple plots gives multiple shots to sit on the leaderboard.

f2p plot shouldn't be included in the reward system.

[twin sequoia]

F2P players in arena can get rewards? if so, F2P IZ players should (It is a pity for us paying players, but would be fair)

And why does it make it different? If leaderboard in one game include F2P, they should in all.

[radiant sky]

there is no fuel transfer feature anymore.

[radiant sky]

Zero is totally disconnected from the rest of the games.
Therfore with rewarding f2p plots you just encourage multi accounting and botfarm extractors

f2p plot is also in kinda weird spot between the tiers regarding output

[copper inlet]

how I see this (only personal opinion):

• F2P players in Arena enreaching the experience for everyone, shorter queues, more diverse opponents, more ppl to have fun with. Its our flagship product. They bring value to the ecosystem, so its beneficial to everyone to incentivize everyone
• F2P in Zero is more like a demo of a game when you want to test before purchasing the full version

but someone somewhere during the land sale paid full price for this plot and this $$$ was distributed among the DAO members, so i dont see any issue with giving them rewards, Illuvium DAO sold those plots so Illuvium can try to enrich their experience 🤷

I agree with you 💯
I just dont really mind if (how much it will be? like 0.001% of the ILV that is held for the rewards) be distributed to the IZ leaderboard
and if you REALLY want to stretch it, lets say its for showing future landowners (the ones who will be buying from new landsale in few years) that they also will be part of the whole Illuvium fun 🤷

[signal maple]

I have 3x2 plots, how can I choose the 2x2 I want to form the MC. Seems like it auto merging bottom up but I need the 2x2 on two rows above

[copper inlet]

currently the only workaround I am aware is to move the two you dont want to merge out to other wallet and merge your MC, then send back the 2 you wanted to avoid

[signal maple]

is it safe? I dont lose any progress right?

[copper inlet]

have you purchased any additional Workers on those plots, I believe only this is at risk, LVL and buildings will persist (Credits also are tied to the account not to the plot)
@radiant sky Help xD

[signal maple]

all of them are at 3 workers already

[radiant sky]

as long as the wallet you are sending it to is linked in the passport on the Illuvidex site, you should be able to keep all progress that otherwhise would get wiped

[signal maple]

hmmmm so that wallet have to be linked to my passport account or any account is okay?

[radiant sky]

need to have it linked on the illuvium site
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/account/settings

[signal maple]

I see, tks

I will consider since the different is only 1 tier 2 vs. 1 tier 1 😂 all full development so dont want to take risk here

[radiant sky]

when you wana fuse to a megacity, it starts at the top left when choosing plots and goes to the right

then next row below from left to the right

[signal maple]

I think everything in the game is getting flip up and down

[radiant sky]

buildings stay anyways, even if you sell.
But

• fuel
• elements
• Biodata
• blueprint data
• builders

get wiped if you sell or transfer to a wallet which isn't linked to your passport account your land is on.

[signal maple]

actually the map of the plot is flipped up and down already

[copper inlet]

and I am not disagreeing with any of this points

[radiant sky]

yea, if you fuse MC it's again flipped, so the connecting edges are the right ones, just flipped upside down

[signal maple]

okay just to confirmed, so if I transfer plot between my passport account and my linked wallet, everything is okay right? Because I am playing with some plots on my linked wallet already

[radiant sky]

yea that should be fine

[signal maple]

got it tks for ur support

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[copper inlet]

Spoon is THE mastaaa of the IZ

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-spoon-silver-spoon-ii-inanimate-insanity-ii-silver-spoon-inanimate-insnity-gif-12378353677817153881

[opal thistle]

Finally

[radiant sky]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemhvcW5iNTVwOWRuOGppZ3E2d2w5emRhN3ozYW10djFxdDc3aHZxNSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/bM9MTdaZuq4s2hTQ7q/giphy.gif

[pure fable]

Illuvium Zero lags like crazy when building structures, is this normal?

[jaunty rain]

no

do i need 4 plots for a megacity or is it more?

[pure fable]

4 in a 2x2 square or 9 plots in 3x3

[jaunty rain]

perfect thanks

thought so, just wanted to make sure

[pure fable]

ok but is lagging big time in my game when building structures 🤔

[jaunty rain]

so many cheap t1 ...

[jaunty rain]

try rebooting

-- cash should get deleted

[pure fable]

computer?
it lags everytime

[jaunty rain]

the computer or mobile phone yes. whatever device you are playing on

i just tried on my smartphone, it works without lag/delay

[pure fable]

does not work unfortunately, it lags everyday

[radiant sky]

it just does... especially in a MC

started like 3 patches ago

[pure fable]

yeah 2x2

[radiant sky]

ya

[jaunty rain]

ahhhh, you have a mc

[pure fable]

but it is really annoying

[radiant sky]

i know, super annyoing

[pure fable]

can't really restructure fast

[jaunty rain]

sorry, thought you had just a plot

spoon, can you tell what the average fuel production could be on a t4?

per day*

[radiant sky]

unfortunately mine is in my MC.
other people say roughly 2k, but i feel it could (should) be more

[jaunty rain]

thanks - i roughly imagined it could be something like 2-3 k

[signal maple]

Calculating bonus path is the reason so if u r still tweaking ur layout then delete the path first then rebuild later

[radiant sky]

3k probably a bit much but maybe possible.
my t4 in mc gets:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[pure fable]

thanks for the idea

but deleting and rebuilding all the path is a pain still

[radiant sky]

i think it's path + efficiency recalculating

at least from my observation

[tardy falcon]

Zero is laggy in general

[sacred moss]

Is this a t3 or t4 land?

[pure fable]

are you guys deleting all the scanners after finding 130 biodata?

[opal thistle]

T4

[pure fable]

or will the scanners get additional features?
I mean the illuvium team should really NOT be focussing on making more illuvials anytime soon, the money should be spent on gameplay...

[opal thistle]

I did that in the alpha but then I realized that you need at least 1 of them to get the Labs

[sacred moss]

Thanks, oh now i know why my t3 land cant catch t5s3 biodata max he catch is only t4s3

[opal thistle]

Still took me a while for the T5s

[pure fable]

yeah so keeping at least one

[pure fable]

yeah T5 takes ages to build

[signal maple]

I connect my path through all plots in MC and if I want to touch anything now it will lag as hell 🤣

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4474285

[tardy falcon]

I use active conversion cuz of t4 landmark... makes a big difference. 3x/day is significant esp on a MC

t4,t2,t1,t1 primary fuel focus 2 with a bit of science... avg 3k fuel/day if 3x conversion not including passive

[torpid relic]

Wow, well done! 👏

[sacred moss]

Wow that massive 3ka day

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-5521636960626661361

[harsh dew]

To have a MC you still need lands to touch each other ?

[radiant sky]

yes

?zero-megacity

[lethal wyvern]

What are megacities in Illuvium: Zero?

Megacities allow adjacent plots that make up a 2x2 or 3x3 square to be combined to form one larger plot.

The expected benefits of a mega-city are:

• the ability to share landmark bonuses between plots,
• the ability to share resources between plots with no transfer cost (in either time or resources)
• the ability to share support buildings like the Engineering Lab resulting in increased available space.

Megacities are not currently available in Illuvium: Zero and a specific date for their implementation has not been announced.

[rotund forum]

anyone know when cycle 3 will be redeemable?

[harsh dew]

Nop, just check you rewards page

[slender heath]

When does last burn cycles fuel burn percentages get distributed?

[radiant sky]

Can Check your rewards page on the illuvidex

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[opal thistle]

I'm on a roll baby

[wicked horizon]

I’m way behind the times here, do I need to update something on mobile to implement the new fuel changes? I still have well over 1000 of each

I’m now just 3 biodata away from finding them all 🙏

[harsh dew]

Let's go!

[nocturne trail]

Dope!!!

[autumn hill]

Is there a guide somewhere explaining how the cycles work and how burning works? I am confused and am also behind...

[foggy sage]

Any one got any sprt of money from burning fuel a dollar or some pennies atleast?

[jaunty rain]

some pennys yes

[foggy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-money-bills-cash-rich-gif-712032652910527923

[ivory badger]

I haven't been around in the last 4 months, what is this burn fuel option ? Does this mean our land producing fuel is now useless , I have noticed that land prices collapsed

[dim patrol]

Has anyone done the math on:

Average earnings per day in ETH for a T3 or T4?

[vague summit]

0.000000007

Give or take

[twin knot]

Lands burn fuel and with that share 5% of total fuel sales

[leaden egret]

How many biodatas are existing in total ?
Think I have all of them and want to be sure to stop research now without missing anything.

[rotund forum]

my T4 is not exactly fuel oriented, so could crank out more if I wasn´t collecting blueprints. But I think you have to think in the line of max 2$ a week if going for fuel 100% at current prices. Only have 2 weeks of data and one was 40% more than the other so a bit soon to tell but think in these lines.

[radiant sky]

130

[leaden egret]

Cool I can stop then, thanks.

I ll keep scanners on a side of the map to construct more fuel converters and take them out once we ll have new illuvials without need to construct them again 👍

[radiant sky]

Sounds like a plan 🙂

[manic ginkgo]

How many storage spaces are needed for all biodata, blueprint, and facts? In total

[grand silo]

Man I love playing Zero. I hope one day the game gets expanded on. I get it's super basic rn but has so much potential imo

[vivid cipher]

Do facts actually take up data storage? I’m not sure, but it seems unlikely to me.

130 unique biodata. Each of those currently has 22 different possible blueprints. That would be 2860 total possible blueprints. Plus the 130 biodata for a grand total of 2,990. Unless the facts do take data storage slot. Then it’s 2,990+(5*130)=3,640

(Wow. My phone just text predicted the solution to the equation I wrote)

[manic ginkgo]

Thanks, good to know

[vivid cipher]

Probably good to note that changes to the blueprint system are expected

At least that’s what I’ve been seeing in the public chats.

[manic ginkgo]

As long as I know how many data centers I need, I'm good!

I got my f2p plot loaded with data centers

[vivid cipher]

Seems smart… does that work?

[manic ginkgo]

4 scanners and 5 research stations, and a butt ton of data storage

It helps get to know the illuvials and which ones may be valuable

[vivid cipher]

I feel like the issue is that the science data from other plots doesn’t ever get transmitted to other land plots. Especially not the F2P plot.

[manic ginkgo]

I am about to start scanning on one of my t2 plots

Are the biodata that you find account bound or plot bound?

[leaden egret]

You're wasting your space at the rate you're finding them, it'll take you an eternity to fill even half of it.
You'd be better off using your space for converters that will actually make you esrn some fuel…

[vivid cipher]

Plot bound.

[leaden egret]

Didnt see that it was a f2p land and got already so much fuel that you cant sell (burn), so the best thing to do is to construct more scanners, labs and ZP transducers to make things go faster.
You can after make your data Banks one by one When needed…

[manic ginkgo]

Yeah, I think I have my f2p plot almost maxed out. It's good to experiment with.

Let's see what happens if another set of illuvials come out.

[leaden egret]

Like this…

[manic ginkgo]

Or if armor dyes comes out, trainings gyms and what not.

Hopefully we will see the t5's with tournament maps

Are we able to send fuel from Zero to use in Overworld? Or do we have to burn and buy with eth or ilv?

[grand silo]

Wtf that's alot of data storage

[signal maple]

can I know the number for drone and armor, also where can I find these information. I just play Zero only

[twin knot]

4 drones 18 armors

[signal maple]

tks bro

[twin sequoia]

No, facts don´t need data storage

[grand silo]

does anyone else have fuel just reset early. without collecting anything

[knotty sable]

So you can’t transfer fuel anymore from land to overworld?

[vivid cipher]

That is correct.

[vivid cipher]

I’ve not heard of or experienced this

[burnt merlin]

Can anyone provide any insight or data as to whether or not it is better to manage multiple T2s or a T3 when it comes to trying to produce enough fuel to sustain play in the ecosystem?

I'm trying to decide if it's worth buying more T2s or a single T3

[spiral turtle]

I made 76 cents off my Mega City last month!!! wooohoo Wen Lambo?? 🤣

[rose thicket]

how many fuel units?

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/hard-frog-nick-hard-rock-nick-frog-hard-frog-pepe-gif-12057452929129879753

[twin sequoia]

1 T3 will always be easier to manage than several T2. Production wise, extractors from a T3 produce 450 fuel daily (not unified Fuel) and from a T2 150. Then you have converters, a T3 may produce 20-30 more daily depending on your strategy and efficiency with converters, so no very important, extractors make a huge difference in a T3

Now it is quite difficult that any of them produce enough fuel to sustain play in the ecosystem. That was when fuel could be sent to OW. Now, revenue is not enough for that even in a T3

If we have more paying players in the future, it will be possible again

[junior abyss]

last I checked, there was mention in the update on the new Unified fuel, that there would eventually be a way to convert the fuel from land into unified fuel sent to OW

[twin sequoia]

yes, it is but it is not 1:1. You just have the option to convert the revenue in Fuel at the same ratio of $0.01 per Fuel unit (plus 20% in cycles 1 &2). Bur revenue is so low that you don´t get much of it

In cycle 1 the ratio was 82:1 and in cycle 2 it was 36:1. So around 300 ETH a week is needed for ratio 1:1. 360 ETH with no bonus. Less if bonus is increased,

[radiant sky]

afaik it's permanent

[twin sequoia]

yep, it was boosted during the test, as we weren´t able to use it and would be adding up for at least a week. And was said that it was permanent

[plain cargo]

Illivium zero is up?

[vivid cipher]

Works for me on iPhone

[plain cargo]

We can earn ilv?

[tawdry plank]

No, eth or unified fuel.

[solar swallow]

When You buy/sell land the whole plot is reset? so there is no progress or progress stays?

[twin knot]

Progress stays

[twin sequoia]

The buildings and the progress (plot level) stay. The rest is reset.

[solar swallow]

Thanks

By rest You mean resources, blueprints etc?

[radiant sky]

yes

• Fuel
• Elements
• Biodata
• Blueprint data
• Facts
• builders
  get wiped

[solar swallow]

Builders are per land or per account?

[radiant sky]

builders are land bound, not account bound

[dusk siren]

you forgot "investment" in that list

[twin sequoia]

@radiant sky thank you for your perseverance with the original fuel ratio conversion. With it I had around 5.340 Fuel. With the refund I could buy now ~22.000.

The total refund is almost 63 ETH 🙀

[tardy falcon]

So how do we calculate our refund?

[twin sequoia]

3490/6866 wallets elegible for refund. This is a glimpse of the number of players

Look for your wallet address in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t9enLs_wYtR-pXHHEN43NKFg5D9eiQEDKsaRZVW4m04/edit?gid=480951564#gid=480951564

[tardy falcon]

Thank u

[twin sequoia]

Luckily I was 31 Fuel above the required quantity 🙂

I went from 89:1 to 22:1 ratio, quite happy with it

[tardy falcon]

Same... very happy with it

[vivid cipher]

If you were under you could just buy more to bring you back above the requirement.

[tardy falcon]

I wonder if they will make it 20% bonus if claim Fuel also

[twin sequoia]

I claimed cycle 2 as Fuel and used it to give a try to ADR, so 31 was what was left over

[dusk siren]

would be tempting huh!?

[vivid cipher]

I’m not really sure if it will be possible or not. But it does seem likely to be possible since it’s going through the rewards claim page.

[tardy falcon]

Prob will... it's the same as if buying highest tier fuel bundle. That's 20%. Just saves steps. I imagine the 20% bonus fuel claim will be an option.

[dusk siren]

genius move if they give like 30%?

[tardy falcon]

ikr

That's what I was hoping for Zero fuel burning... a better percentage bonus

[radiant sky]

small wins are also wins 🙂

[dusk siren]

it would be ( a little bit) against the idea of illuvials holding a certain value. On the other hand they are giving arena players some fuel daily

[tardy falcon]

Don't have to just do ADR or OW... can spread the love and get d1sks too 😄

[radiant sky]

ya that's pretty sweet 🙂
congrats mate

[knotty sable]

I’ve been out of the game for a minute. What is the point of burning fuel? I thought we were able to transfer our land fuel to use in overworld?

[radiant sky]

you can burn fuel to get a share of the 5% total revenue dedicated for IZ.
Fuel transfer to use in OW is not possible anymore

[mortal mural]

oh dang i was eligible for fuel refund and spent the fuel

[real ice]

if i spend fuel and i spend 98% and i rebuy can i claim ? because i m eligible showing

[twin sequoia]

look in the spreadsheet how much ETH is your refund. You can buy the needed fuel and claim the refund

[twin sequoia]

yes

Be sure to have the Fuel prior to ask for a refund

[mortal mural]

i ask for refund before cheking requirements

[twin sequoia]

I think they will contact you

[real ice]

ok i rebuy fuel and then claim , all so when is the last day to claim ?

[opal thistle]

New armor incoming

[copper inlet]

No issue here, if you had not enough we will run your refund again, we sent emails to all users, after you let us know you have enough, we will put you back on the list

[tardy falcon]

I think May 24 or something around there

[copper inlet]

End of the next month to request, and then almost a year to go to refund page to click the claim button, so planty of time

[real ice]

do i can rebuy fuel wit card , because i need to rebuy about 23000 fuel and hope its gonna be valid my claim because i spent my fuel on drones

[copper inlet]

Any method is ok, we just check if you have minimum value, doesn't matter where you got this fuel from

[real ice]

i checked and it saying minimum hold around 23k fuel so i better rebuy and then claim yes

[tardy falcon]

any means necessary

[copper inlet]

there is no other option anyways, the claim option will not show up unless team not retract the Fuel from your account (so top up the account >> let us know in the responce to the email you got >> team processing again >> Claim option showing up)

[copper inlet]

yes, this will work too 🤣

[molten cave]

dam, why lands value nothing in this game, burned 1k from each fuel, just exchanged for 28 unified fuel, is that really correct?

[vague summit]

Yup, it's disgusting.

[molten cave]

serious I understand the point, but the game is just saying "we dont care about thousands of dollars you have expent in the game". I mean land tier 2, doesnt make 1k fuel that easily, several days, 20 unified fuel omfg

disgusting, I will think dozens of times for any investment again in illuvium

[twin sequoia]

Should we propose a name change from Ulluvium to Illusium?

[tardy falcon]

Their logic is this - Without a successful game then lands have no value at all. So they shift focus to MMO lite and Arena and Beyon... because that's where revenue can be generated. Zero is on the shelf for now because there is little revenue. As the games and project heal and recover... bringing in more revenue and proven success then Zero will come back into focus.

[molten cave]

I got the point. But I bought a land with the purpose to play the game, i should win more fuel for make some free runs at least in the month, that´s not gonna happen, they ask more money all the time

just this, but maybe I am wrong,

[vague summit]

I got land so I could fuel my play as well. It's a shame it was yanked away from us.

[tranquil notch]

You can burn fuel and claim fuel for ow runs. Just 1 or 2 clicks more for claim. Not much different then send fuel .

[vague summit]

It's much different. 🙂

[mortal spruce]

How many Actions can i do with approx 15k fuel in OW (Old System) and how much Actions can i do with 340 new Fuel?

[tardy falcon]

I would prob see if you are eligible for a refund. Cuz you might be able to buy more fuel with the refund than 340

[mortal spruce]

I burn weekly 15k old fuel, and receive approx 340 new fuel, to play OW not enough. With old fuel i can travel and catch illuvials a lot more, then now! Or i am wrong?

[tardy falcon]

Ahh well we are in the same boat... All we can do is hope that Illuvium revenue increases. Because that is what the burns are tied to. We all split 5% of illuvium revenue per week. So if they make 10 bucks we make nothing. If they make $1 million or even $100k we do good.

[cedar hamlet]

@tranquil notch this is a joke

before the cut we sent fuel and do several runs

after the unified fuel..you sell your fuel for? eth? hahahahahah

good luck with those pennies

[rose thicket]

did a simple sort of 'refund breakdown'...it makes no logical sense how you derive 'eligible eth refund' 🤡 show

[twin sequoia]

It does. Before you could send fuel from IZ or buy it at market lowest price. If I remember it right the line is 25% of old max price, and only fuel bought below this value is taken into account. For this fuel you get what you paid for it and for the fuel sent you get that 25%. So depending of how much fuel you sent from IZ and the price you bought at, you have a different refund.

[open stratus]

Wish I had played harder

Better than a kick in the nuts I guess

[tardy falcon]

Kinda glad I stored up fuel now and didn't sell. I think I had around 350k in zero

[open stratus]

Yeah I could have had a lot more.. didn't play for a long time

Ah well maybe get a t1 to put around on 🤣

[tardy falcon]

Feels like the tides are turning all around... Illuvium is going in a better direction and crypto too

[rose thicket]

What's the rate if you generated all the fuel and bought none

[wicked horizon]

I have now found all the biodata in Zero! Does everyone just delete their scanners at this stage and build more research facilities?

[opal thistle]

Can't build research lab without at least one scanner so keep that in mind. Also Labs are capped at 5

[plain cargo]

When season 3?

[tranquil notch]

No for fuel. But it is less right now. That's true. But the value you of fuel is also higher now. So maybe it's not much different. You get 20% more fuel then eth if you choose united fuel

And if we could get instead of maybe 500 ow player 10000 then there will be even more runs. I am okay with it.

[barren ocean]

Hi there. What happens when I burn fuel on my lands, do I get equivalent amount of the ecosystem fuel?

[tranquil notch]

All the landholders who burn fuel get a 5% revenue share from illuvium, you can claim it weekly as eth or new fuel. It's much less then you burn right now. When the playerbase grow the amount will grow too.

[twin sequoia]

AFAIK 25% of the old max price. I think it is half of the actual fuel value in ETH when the conversion was done. Before it was set in ETH and now in USD, so you need to look for the price of ETH when conversion was done.

[radiant sky]

there is no such thing as seasons anymore.
Rewards are back for specific actions, check out:
https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-rewards-are-back-rangers

[zealous plank]

Hello, I buy tier 1 with solon.Someone?

Land

[radiant sky]

check out the official market place on the Illuvidex and/or #🛒〕land-dex

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky Bro could you tell me Did team sending eth for landlord like 5% of all digital sells? I didn't see this info

we sold a lot discs, skins atc

[radiant sky]

you talking about this?

if so... no, that hasn't been paid out yet

[uneven pulsar]

yeap this, thank you buddy

[rose thicket]

@radiant sky do you have any idea on the calculation from legacy fuel conversion to unified fuel as it pertains to refund. My calculation appears much worse than 89:1 assuming 1 unit of fuel is now assigned a value of $0.01 USD.

[rose thicket]

<@&814435151307866142> Can we get this done before the end of E10? This has been an IOU for the entire 9-month term. Is Labs's simple incapable of performing?

[hearty cradle]

we'll follow up on it

[radiant sky]

i haven't done calculations on random wallets.
My fuel i had on the passport seems to be exactly divided with 89:1 ratio

[rose thicket]

Thanks for confirming.

[opal thistle]

Finally, the circle is now complete

[radiant sky]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemhvcW5iNTVwOWRuOGppZ3E2d2w5emRhN3ozYW10djFxdDc3aHZxNSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/bM9MTdaZuq4s2hTQ7q/giphy.gif

[small sundial]

It's a percentage, as you know. It's a matter of time. 1% of Apple's shares at its inception is nothing, but 1% today.

It remains to be seen whether the game will be a success. If so, great; if not, too bad. 😆

[twin sequoia]

Do you know the lottery number for this weekend? 😂

Instant refund

[tranquil notch]

🎲

[tardy falcon]

Oh wow u got yours claimable already?

I don't see it available in mine yet

[twin sequoia]

I probably was the first to request it 🙂

[ruby merlin]

Not long ago, I noticed that on my island, my fuel resources now produce the maximum amount at 135% instead of 137% as it used to. I think there might be an update, or there could be an issue with my island. Does anyone know about this? At what percentage can the maximum fuel be generated? Thank you

[radiant sky]

percentage treshholds got changed.
if i remember right with the megacity update... quite a while ago.

[iron bay]

How many lands do you have? I have just a T4 but get nothing anywhere close to that.

[twin sequoia]

It also depends on the Tier, there are different thresolds.

[twin sequoia]

It does not depends on the lands only, but also on what you had in storage about 1k and how much you bought and didnt spend.

I don´t remember then, probably 3 T1, 3/4 T2 and 2/3 T3.

[iron bay]

OH, I misread that.. I was thinking of Landholder distribution

[twin sequoia]

No, was the refund. Holy shit if it was divrev xD

[iron bay]

Yeah hah

[twin sequoia]

😦

Umm, cycle 3 is ready too

A bit over the midlle between cycles 1&2. 72% of cycle 2

[rose thicket]

EP-1 refund reward posted. So you get 13% of your fuel units back in the form of unified fuel if you claim the reward. If you want to extract via ETH, you receive 10.96% of the value in the form of ETH with a 93% implied volatility 😉 (assuming units are worth $0.01 USDC, which is all anyone cares about). Of course, you will lose somewhere between 2-4% extracting out of EVM and with a CEX/DEX. If you do not claim the reward, you get 1.12% of your fuel converted into unified fuel. Wow, if I only treated my customers this shitty, I could have closed my shop years ago, gone bankrupt, and launched a DAO ICO!

[sacred moss]

How many fuel did you burn for that reward?

[radiant sky]

that depends for what price you bought how much fuel.
You basically get your money back for every fuel you bought below the 25% of the old max rail.
If you had fuel you bought for a higher price than that you get the 89:1 conversion rate and no refund.

[iron laurel]

I'm not the best at math but it seems that unless you aren't planning on buying more fuel in the future you are better off to just keep the 89:1 conversion rate.

[rose thicket]

I did not buy any fuel...just mined it off the land. This is probably my only opportunity in four years to find any sort of liquidity to redeem it 🤯

[radiant sky]

you can refund your fuel from zero?
didn't know that

[radiant sky]

i doubt anyone would be better of with not refund it.
even me got a way better ratio and i was scalping february most of my fuel.

[rose thicket]

I just broke down the math for my scenario above. Unless you like sitting watching ADR and then listing illuvials for $0.15 each and praying, you are better off with the refund

[iron laurel]

I need to look at my math again then because I have it as I am losing if I do a refund and buy that amount of fuel again.

[rose thicket]

you can refund for fuel +20% or the ETH conversion per my rewards dashboard...they had to add the 20% incentive of taking in fuel just to stick it to landholders one more time.

[quick pivot]

Hey Guys, I haven't been active in discord lately. Does anyone know if it's worth it to burn fuel?

I have around 1k each on my T2's.

[broken roost]

Well it depends, how many cents would you describe as worth?

[iron laurel]

So, if I cause them more work I will get 20% more fuel? OK....

[quick pivot]

Haha well not worth it then, but thanks!

[twin sequoia]

0,6% share, but first cycle was the worst atm in revenue (and I hope it keeps that recprd for ever 🙂 )

[sacred moss]

No, i mean how many fuel did you burned? Like 10k total or 20k?

[twin sequoia]

18k, but that is not relevant.

[sacred moss]

Oh thanks, thats is so many fuels.

[trim osprey]

Where do I go to change if I want ETH or fuel as payment for my burnt fuel on zero?

[viscid bolt]

In the claiming interface you have the choice before you claim

[trim osprey]

Do you have a screenshot maybe? Because I looked this morning and couldn’t find it anywhere on the site

[tawdry plank]

right on the claiming page

[twin sequoia]

Don´t you think that a link is better? 😉 https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[noble willow]

so I just sold my first fuel this week in the new system, when was the cut off for making rewards this cycle?

[tough field]

Question about the Fuel refund elegibility:

Some days ago, I noticed that my ILZero fuel was reduced a lot (but now I really don't remember the amount removed). I recently discovered that those fuels were moved to my passport account (as a unified fuel due to the new fuel system), and more recentely I discovered that they can be refunded. But I cannot find my password wallet is fiuel refund elegible accounts spreadsheet shared by the devs. What I am missing?

[twin sequoia]

where are the missing punctuation marks? i´m not sure what you are asking

I hope the leaderboards for IZ are near.

[tough field]

I want to understand if I am really elegible for the fuel refund or if I misunderstood the rules, and if am elegible, why my wallet is not on the spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t9enLs_wYtR-pXHHEN43NKFg5D9eiQEDKsaRZVW4m04/edit?gid=480951564#gid=480951564

As far as I understood, everybody that had fuel removed form the ILZ should be elegible for refund, right?

[twin sequoia]

If your wallet is not in the spreadsheet, you aren´t eligible. You should have bought fuel below the 25% mark or sent fuel to OW account in the observed period (or have fuel over 1k burnt in the original conversion, but I´m not sure about this point. Some ppl say this is not a case)

[harsh dew]

At the request of the landowners, we would like to have more precise information on the Share of Total Fuel Burned.
Currently, the value is displayed with only three decimal places — would it be possible for Illuvium to increase this to five or six decimal places?

exemple:
Cycle 2: 0.002% will become 0.00162

[twin sequoia]

cycle 4 also available to be claimed. It seems it was automated 🙂

[pure fable]

are there any leaderboard rewards for zero players besides fuel burn?

[twin sequoia]

There will be, but it is not know when yet. Probably at the end of april or first weeks of may

This is my calculated revenue for fuel sales in each cycle. Do you think it is accurate for cycle 3&4, as we were only told about stripe sales in cycle 1&2?

Should be easy to calculate. If my share is 1% and I get 0.01 ETH (invented numbers), total revenue should be 0.01x100x20 = 20ETH. We now in immutascan how much was sold in crypto, so the differences are stripe sales, right?

Well, it is not much accurate as I use $ numbers from inmutascan, so it vary each day with ETH price and I use actual price at the end of the cycle to convert it back to ETH for simplicity (as in inmutascan there are sales in ETH, sILV and USD). I should improve that

[small sundial]

someone give him a role in the community 😆

[harsh dew]

https://tenor.com/view/and-then-i-waited-anthony-jeselnik-anthony-jeselnik-bones-and-all-i-started-to-wait-i-played-the-waiting-game-gif-13368836389658469839

[tribal sequoia]

Are there any good sources for plot layout / optimizations broken down by tier of land, etc.?

[tardy falcon]

Every plot is different with resorces in different spots

Generally people either go for a clean mostly efficient layout or a crammed more efficient layout

T4 def best for fuel production and t2 prob best for science imo

t1 and t3 are terrible imo

[twin knot]

Current prices make them really attractive though...

[tardy falcon]

yah but playability wise... doesn't produce that much fuel and science is expensive on t3

[twin knot]

Once the plot is maxed out playability doesn't matter anymore...

As a pure investment for revdis the current prices are a steal. Much better than investing in ILV

But yes I would also like to see new gameplay content in the future

[tardy falcon]

That's what I mean
I have a maxxed out t3 and it's underwhelming

[dusk siren]

isnt it basically a 3x in production per tier you go up?

remember it was but barely can look at zero, the gameplay is so horrible I would even rather play OW

the way megacities came out basically sums up that there were zero fucks given

[tardy falcon]

Yah but with t4 you also gety a fuel landmark bonus and that really helps cuz u can actively convert and get net positive

[dusk siren]

yeah until you run out of fuel you can convert, its 75 to 90 right?

[tardy falcon]

yep... just make a few other type converters and wash back n forth

but you can more than 10 active with +15... so thats 150+/conversion

[dusk siren]

yeah sadly thats like a dollar per week

can't cover the RSI medical bill with that

[tardy falcon]

thats per conversion... do that 2-3 times/day that's 3-450 extra fuel/day aka 2100-3150/week

it adds up

just saying t4 is the best fuel producer by far

t3 is meh

[dusk siren]

yeah for sure

I didn't look into it but is a T2 able to get 120M resource storage to craft T5S3 blueprints?

[tardy falcon]

lower tiers cost less for science

cheaper to mint n stuff

so t2 is ideal for science

t1 actually... but t1 doesnt produce enough fuel XD

I bet they will do a balance change at some point since zero is not tied to the economy any more

they prob bump everything up so that t1 is smoother

[dusk siren]

Yeah or just run us over once more

Kick em while they're down!

[tardy falcon]

ooo i'm not into that 😅

[dusk siren]

I doubt they will look at zero this year

And I doubt they will ever look at zero again if they cant get a playerbase going

[tardy falcon]

there's still a small team working on zero... very small. but they are doing the updates n stuff

[dusk siren]

Arena seems to be really dead today compared to earlier

[tardy falcon]

really?

i need arena lessons XD

[dusk siren]

Yeah queued for 20min twice today and then gave up

[tardy falcon]

oof

i was gonna play later

[dusk siren]

Wait with them till things are stable, lots will change

[tardy falcon]

got busy the past few days

yah I figure things will still change some

for now I just trial and error and slowly learn

sacrificing rank XD

[dusk siren]

I wouldnt really call it updates but more like fixing broken things that were working before or should have been working for almost a year now

[tardy falcon]

some of that yah... also the burn ui and economy conversion

maybe someday gyms

that is a passed game design proposal

[dusk siren]

Yeah I also keep dreaming about a (better) future

I have time and am in too deep so will certainly see how things move

[tardy falcon]

Things feel better now than they did a few months ago

Love the new rewards dash
Love the leaderboards and competition
Arena does seem to be getting better... still needs to be smoother
and ofc mmo and beyond w4
Lot's of good things

Eventually frumpy Zero will get love

[hearty cradle]

[mortal smelt]

Yes once they get the right formula to extract the masses and the founder not talking out his rear end.

[teal nexus]

what was the no. of blueprints per illuvial again? Was it 18 and 4 drone = 22?

[radiant sky]

yes, ser

[radiant sky]

the science cost increase with the production bonus

[copper falcon]

Hello, Zero players. Do i get it right that we can research max 22 blueprints for every illuvial, 18 for suits and 4 for drones?

[radiant sky]

yes, ser

[copper falcon]

hmm, do we have a leaderboard of blueprints researchers, would be cool to see who got how many of them🤔

and also who got full sets of 22

[gentle osprey]

guys , do we have to ''keep open'' the ilv zero game , to produce resources or can I close and check back later ?

[tardy falcon]

it's processing all the time whether open or closed

[near wadi]

no, but the idea is good 👍

[whole steeple]

Hey all, sorry if this has already been mentioned in thread. How do we sell resources for unified fuel. Or is this still in the transition phase? Thanks

[rose thicket]

you “burn and pray that you get paid”…remove your units from the pool and get a lotto ticket that revenue shows up for the pool in that period and the other landholders do not dilute your contribution too much. great system!

[twin sequoia]

yep, better system than before, until demand is enough for the market system to be useful 😉

[twin sequoia]

Now seems that distribution process is automated and quite fast after cycle ends

But revenue still very low, all depends on fuel demand

How is this experience earned?

Only with battles in OW using those Illuvials or is there other (faster) way?

[radiant sky]

only OW at the moment

[twin sequoia]

I´m not even able to enter a capture, I´m too bad 😭 . Good old days of HL, UT2 and Q3 😢

[radiant sky]

make sure you have a weapon equipt and use the drone ability... should actually be pretty easy

i recommend using a sword and Hilde

[twin sequoia]

All my life playing rpg and didn´t even think on equipped items 😂

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-better-call-breaking-bad-gif-27188814

[twin sequoia]

At least I had the right drone

[radiant sky]

better than i did the first time 😄

was rocking Bach, cause he shoots cool projectiles and looks mean.
But the damage he does is similar to cheap fireworks for kids. xD

[twin sequoia]

Sure that when I learn it all, OW will change to the MMO

[radiant sky]

hopefully 🤞
the sonner the better 😄

[twin sequoia]

uuuuh

+5 years as old school hardcore WoW player, with all professions maxed, gold almost maxed twice and I still think OW forge system is not clear enough! 😂 time shows no mercy....

[whole steeple]

Thanks for your help!

[whole steeple]

Thanks for your help!

[twin sequoia]

Ok, Illuvial start running ... you run after it ... you can´t reach it .. where is the point?

[radiant sky]

here it is
--> .

upgrading your jetpack and boots helps you tremendously on the hunt

[stable minnow]

What do Morphopods do in Zero?

[radiant sky]

reduce minting cost of blueprints

[stable minnow]

Thanks Spoony! ❤️

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[twin sequoia]

someone knows what "d´c in cdmx" is? I love it!

[radiant sky]

When i Google cdmx i just get Mexico city Stuff 😄

[twin sequoia]

you´re hot

[radiant sky]

Are you a chilango?

[twin sequoia]

What the hell is that? xD

The one I liked was deleted, but here is the original ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPSH2tq50E the problem is not being there

[radiant sky]

Apparently the citizens of mexico-city call themself chilangos 😄

[chilly copper]

hi i still have land right now, but i haven't played the game for a while, how to earn some rewards playing now?

[radiant sky]

with burning fuel
#📣〕announcements message

https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[midnight flax]

remind me, how many scannable illuvials are there? 130?

[twin knot]

Yes 130

[wispy torrent]

Is anyone actually making money burning? I think I've averaged 8 cents a week lol

[twin knot]

Nobody is making money with revdis currently. Just be patient team is building

[pseudo pulsar]

I upgraded my scanner to level 5 and so far I haven't gotten anything out of it any one els ?

[radiant sky]

How many Scans did you do and what efficiency do you have?

[vivid cipher]

That is how percentages work.

There’s really not that much revenue right now. And a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that will be small 🤏

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[pseudo pulsar]

@radiant sky id say been a week or so every day scan ..

[gentle osprey]

okay t.y

[radiant sky]

ok
possible it's just you being unlucky if it's roughly a week full of scans.

[pseudo pulsar]

@radiant sky its just 5% chance correct?

[radiant sky]

no, it's 11%-41% depending on your efficiency.

the ingame info text is incorrect

[pseudo pulsar]

hopefully the slot machine starts paying

[sacred moss]

Hi Dr. Spoon is the 83% percent in scanner not good or already enough? I can not increase it anymore.

[radiant sky]

in my personal opinion it's not too bad. 🙂

Depends a little on many factors like:

• Are you already able to research some illuvial-biodata you like, or do you need desperatly new biodata.
• When would you guesstimate set2 will be coming and you can't scan biodata of set1 anymore
• etc.

But again, i feel 85% is not too shabby in general

[unkempt kettle]

Are there more than 130 biodata available?

[minor pilot]

Hi guys havnt been following Illuvium to closely recently, so have the added blueprints yet if not do we know when the will be added

[radiant sky]

No, 130 is max

[radiant sky]

Yes, blueprint minting is integrated

[minor pilot]

can you equip the skins to illuvials and drones yet ?

[radiant sky]

in overworld, yes

in arena it still needs to be integrated

at least last time i checked

[radiant sky]

you can equip the skins to ranger and drones.
a skin can't be applied to illuvials

[minor pilot]

ty mate for the update, were they only ever intended for the ranger and drones as i thought you could change the look of your illuvials. Can we sell them on the illuidex now ?

[radiant sky]

yes, they were always intended to be for ranger and drones.
Yes, you can sell them both blueprints and skins on the illuvidex

[minor pilot]

ty mate thats awesome

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[minor pilot]

you craft skins ingame ?

[radiant sky]

yes, you can do that at the forge in sanctum mesa

[minor pilot]

ty

[unkempt kettle]

Thanks, Then I have all! How much facts and blueprints?

[radiant sky]

• you can find biodata of all t1-t5 illuvials; 130 in total (see screenshot below and ignore the rewards/points stuff)
• You can find blueprints for each of the 4 drones (Mozart, Bach, Hilde, Choppin)
• You can find blueprints for each armor line (18)
• You can find 5 facts for each biodata

Armor lines
Tier0

• Hexasuit
• Battlesuit
• Exosuit

Tier 1

• Shell
• Aeroweave
• Plating

Tier 2

• Starmail
• Neuroplate
• Warframe

Tier 3

• Bioarmor
• Impervium
• Apexguard

Tier 4

• Cybercore
• Plasmaskin
• Aerocloak

Tier 5

• Xenolink
• Scales
• Mantle

[chrome grove]

Has there been any talks on allowing us to reorganize our lands without having to move one building at a time?

I know zero is somewhat on the shelf for now, but that really would be a massive quality of life feature!

[gritty wave]

man, I love when you buy a property blind for cheap and it's fully built out 😉

[sacred moss]

Lucky you then, mine is not🤣

[worthy rover]

Will the option to delete blueprints off a plot, similar to how we can delete biodata, ever be introduced?

[gritty wave]

yeah I got one of those too earlier...luckily i like doing all the set up but this one was maxed out perfectly...better than I ever had a property 😉

[twin sequoia]

Did you buy it from me? 😂

[twin sequoia]

The mesage TOP TPI is any stat or an important stat for that illuvial?

[pearl dust]

It means it's the highest TPI for that specific illuvial, in your total collection.
so, you don't have any Lesser earth atippo higher than a 38 TPI

[twin sequoia]

Can XP of illuvials be earned in Survival/Gaulet or only in OW?

I´d like to fuse some of them but they need tons of XP in OW

[pearl dust]

I believe gauntlet did provide xp, but I think the rate of which was basically not wroth it. Overworld is the best place to level by far

[twin sequoia]

too much time required to get the XP required to fuse 3 S1

[radiant sky]

wait for wanting to fuse 3s2 😄

[twin sequoia]

I guess

ADR solved the time to get Illuvials, now something needed for XP

Does this filter work for you?

[radiant sky]

You do just s0 Runs?

[radiant sky]

Idk never use it 😄

[twin sequoia]

ATM yes, as I wanted to practice before paying

[radiant sky]

Yes there you don't get really xp

S1-s3 Runs give you Way more XP whereas s3 Runs give the most by far

I think 1s2 Run Levels you up an illuvial from 1-22 roughly

[radiant coral]

what's that?

[radiant sky]

Facts
Each fact Increases Chance to get a success in matlabs for that illuvial biodata the fact is about

[radiant coral]

Interesting, is there a wiki for that?

[radiant sky]

not really

unfortunately

maybe you find something like a guide in #🎨〕community-content

[radiant coral]

thanks.

[tardy falcon]

Everyone still burning away?

[harsh dew]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-dicaprio-leonardo-django-right-gif-18131224

[worn bridge]

How do I equip the the ranger skin? I forgot.

[wicked horizon]

Just now getting to mint things, once you mint, it disappears I assume?

[opal thistle]

Yes, the blueprints you mint in the ZPT are single use

[wicked horizon]

cool just wanted to make sure I didn't need to get rid of them in some other way

once you mint something are you no longer able to research/find it again? I assume that will eventually the case but you know, beta

[subtle frost]

Why am I getting duplicates?

does it just find random blue prints it doesn't matter what you chose to research?

[twin sequoia]

No, what Tholky meant is that the minted BP in the ZPT, the NFT, disappears. The BP that you research in the lab remains. There was a change lot of time ago that did this researched BP "infinite".

[twin sequoia]

What duplicates? The BP for scarabok are for different drones. There are 4 drone and 18 armor BP for each Biodata. You could only have duplicates for biodata a lot of time ago when they were possible (I don´t know if it was a bug or a feature when BP weren´t permanents). And may be when forming a MC, but I think this can happen with biodata too, not bluprints.

[harsh dew]

Does ILZ is working for you guys ?

[radiant sky]

it's working for me

[harsh dew]

It working now... but it was loading...

[pine kestrel]

all fine now

[stable minnow]

If I mint a skin BP, craft it in game and "use it", can I use that skin whenever I want now? Even if I change to another skin at some point?

[radiant sky]

a skin is like a cosmetic item you can apply to a specific suit.
You can also remove it and swap with another skin and later swap back to it

[stable minnow]

Thanks!

[amber aurora]

If you have a megacity, do you need a Quantum Fabricant in each plot? Or is one enough for the whole MegaCity?

[radiant sky]

you only need 1 QF, EWS, Nexus in a megacity.
Make sure tho, that you built out all 4 nexus before recycling 3 of them to get the max-structure-limit

[amber aurora]

Appreciate it

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[opal thistle]

Which one is duplicated? You get a random one but from the illuvial you research. For example if you research an Atlas drone skin and you are successfull then you randomly get o e from one of the 4 drones

[gritty wave]

where are we at with a mechanism for someone else to run your land but you to keep control of it? and any news on new zero lb for may?

[tardy falcon]

if lands were profitable then it would make sense... but for now all u tryna do is not play XD

[radiant sky]

as has been said since a long time, that this isn't a focus of Labs, but rather of some 3rd party sites.
if i remember right, one platform is online already but can't recall how it's called and i have no idea if it is save....

no news for zero lb

[vivid cipher]

I’d look to Polemos for a way to do that

[fervent hornet]

Hi All, did I miss anything?

there was a war after the war to end all wars?

[twin sequoia]

We reached the moon 56 years ago

[fervent hornet]

What? But it's made of Swiss cheese, you can't land on Swiss cheese!

sillly humans

[hearty cradle]

the moon is made of cheese?

[tardy falcon]

Love where we've arrived in zerochat 😌

[ancient nacelle]

Has anyone made an excel spreadsheet where we can input our wallet address and it auto fills the skins we have produced?

[vagrant heron]

How many biodata are there in total?

[twin knot]

130

[tulip fox]

What I can do with Fuel? I accidentally claimed Fuel instead of ETH. Can I send it to someone?

[vagrant heron]

Oh I got all then actually. Thanks

[twin knot]

Buy ADR

[tulip fox]

What is ADR

[pure fable]

automated drone run

[tulip fox]

Why should I do that?

What is the benefit

[radiant sky]

you can't send it to someone, you can just use it.
Either you do an ADR as mentioned above and you get some illuvials you might be able to sell to others, or you can do an overworld run which is mostly the same but cheaper but also needs playtime.
You could also save it for next beyond wave and buy disks.
All depending on what you wana do and how much fuel you have.

[mortal mural]

Ohhhh that would great

[harsh dew]

Seems like week 4 was the second best week on fuel purchases revenue excluding Stripe payment

[stable minnow]

would love this, I do it manually in a spreadsheet myself

[mortal spruce]

Why without Stripe

[harsh dew]

There no way to have direct access to extract the Stripe payment...
in fact, there one way but it's will take me some time to automate it and right now it's not my priority on the • development list

[harsh dew]

https://tenor.com/view/tada-gif-13469375

[shut wave]

After i burn fuel on zero do i get money or i have to sell the fuel? How does it translate to money?

[tardy falcon]

Every week you burn you get rewards in the ‘my rewards’ dashboard

[shut wave]

Thanks bruv, so as I understand the fuel i sell I can choose eth and withdraw that. But for season 1 and 2 what happens if I choose iLv vs Fuel? If I choose fuel can i convertthat fuel to ethlater?

[tardy falcon]

nope

fuel is non transferrable

non convertable

[opal thistle]

@cedar hamlet running 3 labs for that skin.....he is a hard one to get

[cedar hamlet]

he s hiding somewhere, damned chubby Geys

[lyric lodge]

can I ask how will the money we generate from land ever go up if the fuel price is now set ? @radiant sky

what am i missing, I assume this is it for land owners, getting like 0.20c per week from a T2 ?

[iron laurel]

It's all based on Revenue now so the more money Illuvium makes the more we will get.

[lyric lodge]

right thanks, so there is hope

[iron laurel]

Yeah, if we get lots of players and they are buying a ton of fuel then we will be looking good.

[broken roost]

cry with me landowners

[undone dagger]

Only once I am one

[iron bay]

What is this training gym in the upcoming features list?

[opal thistle]

You can send your illuvials to your gym and they will level up there

[tardy falcon]

Can’t wait for gyms… will be much needed and appreciated

I give u all a pre invite to train in my gyms… I give u good price 😋

I plan to make several training gyms available for rent 🥰

[iron bay]

Neat! Thanks for the response.

[rose thicket]

Maybe the gyms will serve as our salvation...B/E by 2050.

[tardy falcon]

It will be a very appealing way to level illuvials, that's for sure

[rose thicket]

so now you know that your energy bill is always higher than the value created in ILZ and you have a meaningless number assigned to each of your plots...wow that is innovative.

[twin sequoia]

My gyms will always be available first for my Illuvials, then the rest 🙂

[tardy falcon]

ofc 😌 Gotta prioritize some of your own space...
But let's speculate... how big will gym buildings be? 3x3? 4x4? How many u think you'll have on a plot? How many illuvials per gym? What will be needed to power the gym?

[twin sequoia]

Probably 4x4 like the podarium, or the podarium itself. With the number of illuvials depending on the level and perhaps the same free space around for efficiency to limit the choice between fuel, science and gyms.

Good to know that they are still in the roadmap, although with an undefinde date

[near wadi]

if quickly, then I have assumed for myself the answer to only one of your questions.. most likely we will hire a third-party company to build new power plants))

[near wadi]

I agree, I already forgot when they were discussed... apparently, this logical continuation of the update with drones gave this impetus...

[viscid bolt]

I'm starting to feel momentum. I'm regularly selling blueprint NFTs, claiming a little fuel each cycle.

[heady marten]

Any reason to play zero now? I stopped awhile back

[heady marten]

People actually buy blueprints?

[viscid bolt]

I've sold 123 of them so far.

[serene iris]

Is you want a % of the 5% of illuvium revenue then play zero. Leaderboards coming soon for a extra bonus

[radiant coral]

hahahahahaha 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Kieran finish killing us already

[vague summit]

Or the bigger the gym, the faster they level?

[vague summit]

Or just change everyone's land to an 89:1 ratio? So now if you don't have 89 land, you have zero!

Definitely pun intended that time.

[near wadi]

I don't know how it will turn out in the end. But the idea was that not everyone has the opportunity to level up Illuvials in the Overworld, and such buildings on the lands should primarily serve this purpose (they level up there, this is their fitness), and these buildings will also bring additional benefits to the lands.

It is unlikely that anyone knows the details now, perhaps even the builders themselves. ))

[vague summit]

Word

[radiant sky]

since it was proposed with a GFP, we should see a high level GDD presented to the community with the usual Proposal voting process.
So we should see way in advance how they gona look like and what features they will have.

[minor pagoda]

I thought about gyms yesterday 🧐

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[serene iris]

Aaannnnd???

[uneven pulsar]

Interesting could we use only my iluvs or i can use my gym foor others iluvs)

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-2-nate-bargatze-gif-3629663037087366671

[uneven pulsar]

thx Dr)

[radiant sky]

gfp was written so you can do both.
but we have to wait for the GDD of the team

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky bro. who received ETH if somebody decided to claime fuel but not eth? Now team can create tons fuel and don't pay for it. It's air. So where go eth for free fuel?

[radiant sky]

I assume it stays in treasury
Asked already but haven't Received an answer yet.
I feel that actually should be outlined in a proposal
Maybe <@&814435151307866142> can answer it?

[harsh dew]

From an accounting perspective, the issuance of Fuel in Illuvium Zero—whether claimed directly with a 20% bonus or exchanged for ETH—should be carefully accounted for to maintain financial transparency and long-term sustainability.

When a player chooses to claim Fuel with a 20% bonus, this Fuel is essentially created "out of thin air" by the game. It does not involve an ETH outflow, yet the system grants value (through the in-game utility and exchangeability of Fuel). This scenario resembles a non-cash incentive or a token-based liability, and should be recognized as a deferred cost or virtual asset issuance on Illuvium's balance sheet.

If a player instead claims ETH, this constitutes a direct crypto payout and should be booked as an expense or reduction of held crypto assets (ETH), and a corresponding revenue share or payable to users.

Regarding the 5% ETH payment to landowners:
If Fuel is claimed instead of ETH, the ETH initially reserved to pay the 5% royalty to landowners remains unused. In this case, Illuvium should clearly segregate this ETH, either:

Retaining it in a reserve account, earmarked for future landowner distributions;

Or reallocating it transparently, if the system rules allow for such redistribution.

Otherwise, the risk of “phantom Fuel” (i.e., unlimited creation with no real cost) leads to inflationary pressure and economic distortion, especially if the ETH backing is never claimed or gets redirected improperly.

Balance Sheet Treatment Summary:

| Player’s Choice        | Accounting Entry – Illuvium                             | Notes                                 |
|------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------|
| Fuel (+20%) claimed    | Increase in virtual liability (Fuel owed), no ETH outflow | Considered off-chain or token-based cost |
| ETH claimed            | Decrease in ETH assets, increase in expenses or payouts | Real crypto liability                 |
| ETH for landowners     | Liability if due, or reserve until distributed          | ETH must not be considered free capital |

[rose thicket]

Excellent synopsis. A DOGE team for ILV is warranted...your closest thing we got to it.

[harsh dew]

Thank you for your vote in the upcoming Illuvium election

[radiant sky]

Imo it does Make Sense that the ETH where people choose to claim as fuel goes back into treasury and not into a wallet for Next Distribution cycle as Long as runway is a Problem AT least. (For all claims on the reward dashboard, not just Zero revdis)
What does cgpt propose as a preferred solution?

[stiff skiff]

EmpoweringVolante#6504
0x32e12211713703ea15c138a0bfc08387eebcf398

Guys, how do I contact this person? I would like to propose a sale?

[buoyant cosmos]

Hi, it appears I have no idea how to play this game as I feel like all I am doing is logging in because I have to keep mining fuel, however there seems to be no purpose for it. Is there something I can read on what I am supposed to do, it just feels like a bad addiction that is wasting my time as I get Zero satisfaction from this game after investing a ridiculous amount of money for the land compared to just buying a game.

[opal thistle]

You can burn fuel to get a % of land owner fuel distribution you can research for BP cosmetics and mint them. As of the latest work in progress this is what's coming for IZ

[foggy bison]

Anybody else having an issue with Zero not logging in? I have had to uninstall the game several times in the last week. Thanks.

[twin sequoia]

No, never. Be sure to have the version updated to the latest version.

[foggy bison]

I'm sure the problem is on my end, just wondered if anyone else has had the problem and found a solution. Thanks.

[twin sequoia]

There has no been a real change in the way the game was meant to be played. What you though at first is what you should do.

[spring void]

Yes today I just got asked to relogin with imx passport and did all the steps but the game wont recognize I verified via the browser

Just stalls at "please verify in your browser" in game message

[twin sequoia]

When I have to relogin in the PC, sometimes, after typing the code I have to start the game again.

[radiant sky]

Don't do that, ser.
He's a scammer

[cloud matrix]

Hi there.
Is there a date or schedule to illuvium zero have a leaderboard and ranking rewards?

[radiant sky]

no exact date announced yet

but should be coming soon

[celest wagon]

The first idea of ​​transferring fuel from lands to the overworld has been definitively abandoned? @radiant sky

[sacred moss]

Hallo sir, i have question. When i buy a new land the current level is included right? What about the old biodata from the old owner that already searched, is the included too? Or i will start again from zero biodata?

Thank you.

[viscid bolt]

I think it is starting from scratch, nothing from previous owner is there (biodata, buildings, etc.)

For those who have caught all 130 biodata, how many scanners did you have running?

[radiant sky]

Not really.... There were mentionings of Team being open to re introduce it.
The thing is that Zero ingame eco then again is Linda bound to OW, which shouldn't be too much of a Challenge since we don't have variety of pricing anymore. But devs have for sure less freedom/ need to pay more attention to it than without that feature

[radiant sky]

Levels and structures stay.
All the Rest gets erased

[viscid bolt]

oh, buildings stay?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[viscid bolt]

Have you succeeded in getting all 130 biodata?

[radiant sky]

Yes got them 🙂
5 scanners

[sacred moss]

Vielen Dank😗😗

[viscid bolt]

ok, I had 3 and only have 106. I just added two more. Gotta get the Rhamphyre!

[viscid bolt]

Thanks!

I assume the idea is that at some point there will be another "pack" of biodata released and these 130 biodata will no longer be able to be scanned. Is that the idea?

[vivid cipher]

Probably. The idea that’s been mentioned for awhile now is that the current illuvials would no longer be available and there would be other illuvials available. The same would be true for the biodata yeah.

[full ember]

Questions, so we cannot transfew fuel from illuvium zero to in game overworld?

we can only burn fuel?

so the only incentive of playing Zero is to burn fuel for a percentage of what pay out every cycle?

[radiant sky]

• Yes, you can not transfer fuel from zero to overworld anymore
• Yes, fuel can only be burned. (or used in zero itself for building structures or do science)
• Yes, burn fuel for a share of the 5% of the total revenue that is distributed to landholders who burn fuel. Your share of that 5% is depending on how much fuel you burned compared to all other landholders. (can see your share ingame)

[full ember]

thank you for the response!

[prisma trout]

@tardy falcon Hello. Do you know when gyms will be available? I'm down as I have way too much time on my hands...lol

[opal thistle]

Hello there stranger, No hard date as per usual but it is in the next development push.
#📣〕announcements message

[vestal raft]

I am looking forward the the Training Gyms, and I hope the Gyms will be something like this.

• 1. Training Gym pr. Land plot. Level 1,2,3,4,5 (determine the tier of Illuvial that can train in the Gym)
• You can place 1. Illuvial in the Gym, for a standard of 1 Week. You can use the Transducer in OW to select the specific Illuvial to be trained. (the Illuvial will receive the XP when the training period is completed).
• You will be able to get a “Training Boost card” that will shorten the training time, or increase the XP gained in the session. These “Training boosts” can be obtained in the Transducer in the OW, by “burning Illuvials” in exchange of the “Booster Card”, and you can then send it to your land plot where it can be added to the Training. (similar to Morphopods)

How much XP can be obtained in each session can obviously be tweaked, but I would think it should take somewhere around 8 weeks to get 1. Illuvial from level 40 to 60, without any “boost” and by using those Training boosts you could reduce the time to half.

I think this could be a model that can support burning Illuvial for XP, and still be able to control how long it will take to level them up.

[tardy falcon]

Oh shit… I’m guessing next year 😅

[chrome grove]

They could also allow coins to be used to fast track leveling, more revenue for the DAO and facilitates those who hate waiting and have money to burn.

Could also be a perk for the battle pass!? Either way, lots of options and potential.

[tardy falcon]

If it is only 1 TG per plot and 1 illuviual per gym... it's gonna be a LOOONNNNNG wait at the door...

I prefer up to 4-5 Gyms/plot...
10-20 illuvials/gym

I mean it's a gym not a home treadmill

[vestal raft]

yeah maybe 1 is a bit too little... could also be related to Lard Tier, so you get one pr. Tier... so you would get max 3 Gyms for a Tier 3 land plot. with a mega city you would do some Propper training 😄
But I would be a bit careful adding lots of Illuvials to each Gym, or we will just end up with a ton of level 60 illuvials. It will need to be balanced.

But I think it could work well with burning Illuvial to boost the training, either by time, or XP gained.

[tardy falcon]

Yah maybe somewhere in the middle seems good...

Poor illuvial becoming sacrifices for xp

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-throw-sacrifice-simba-sacrificing-gif-17413569

[vestal raft]

would be cool if we could use the "old building" that displayed the Illuvial, as the Training gym 🙂
(not sure how much extra work & data that would require though)

[dusk siren]

I don't want to shatter your dreams but zero is pretty much abandoned and you wont see any gym within the first year if we survive. On top of that if leviathan is coming out, people will level up their illuvials with the tools they have to at that point in time. Nobody is going to wait for zero and they will probably make earning xp easier over developing something new: gaining levels in OW<>fun

[vestal raft]

lets see what happens... I am well aware of the current situation, but hopefully Training Gyms will eventually come, as it is also on the new roadmap, although there are other higher priorities. Hopefully it can be implemented so it also allow to "burn" some Illuvials.

[tardy falcon]

Yah I mean Kieran explicitly stated zero isn’t going to get meaningful development this year inn the last ama with Scoriox.

But also reaffirmed zero hasn’t been abandoned. But that current priorities need finishing first and successful rollout.

[glad mango]

Would be cool if you could put your built building off the map in que to rearange your plot and have the space

[grand silo]

We only have 5 t5 stadium plots and those haven't even gone on the market yet

[vestal raft]

I know, was just that the building could be upgraded to level 5 to Train Stage 5 Illuvials. But it's probably too early to speculate on this Training Gym stuff anyway.

[queen folio]

Uh… what is DroneStone…

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-question-that-is-the-right-question-gif-13658847

[tardy falcon]

dafook?

[indigo coral]

https://tenor.com/view/apothecary-diaries-maomao-anime-girl-anime-cute-anime-gif-11120373478244842770

[glad mango]

Id also like to see where you can share resources across lands. Making tier 1 more diserable to be picked up by higher tier land holders. Also make hire tier more disirable to kinda be your "home base" with satalite off shoots

[solar swallow]

How much is fully developed T4? Or that has no impact?

Can I see how land looks like in-game before buying?

[radiant sky]

no, you can not see it.

[radiant sky]

i guess it can have an impact if you posting it in #🛒〕land-dex that you sell it and with a screenshot.

[solar swallow]

Thanks.

[rose thicket]

@gritty wave would like to chat bout the T1

[gritty wave]

yep, I'll accept your friend request, thanks for commenting here so I know it's not a scammer...and also willing to sell to anyone who has eth or ILV of course 😉 Fully developed, open to trading for two t1s not developed or one t2 not developed. I actually enjoy building them up 🙂
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/94387

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[dim patrol]

How are T4 plots selling for these days?

[rose thicket]

@oblique mango interest in the T2 if you want to discuss

[vestal raft]

So I guess we dont really need to gather all 18 suit bp…. Just need one to make the suit skin that can be used in arena… think it would have been cool if you actually had to collect all 18 before you could mint a suit bp. 🤔

They do look pretty cool though, so will have to make some more now.

[grand silo]

What's the point of collecting all 18? Agree collecting all 18 b4 minting

[serene iris]

All the supply below 1 eth vanished very quick in the last month.

Current fair value seems to be between 1 - 1.15eth if you actually want to sell

There isn't much available in that range as it gets snapped up reasonably quick.

There is a fair bit at 1.3 + but they are not moving yet

[zinc kraken]

Hey Folks,do I have to buy a plot to be able to transfer materials from Zero to Overworld ect.?

[serene iris]

Yes

[zinc kraken]

ok thanks

[radiant sky]

You can't Transfer fuel from Zero to overworld anymore.

[radiant sky]

Agreed, would have been nice to try that system out.
According to council meeting minutes team is cooking on cosmetics and blueprint system in general and sounds like we will see a proposal soon.

[sacred moss]

I saw last last week 3eth+ have been sold. Maybe the one who bought is forming T5 i guess.

[radiant sky]

can't form a t5.
I guess you are talking about Megacity?

that would be likely indeed if higher prices than floor are paid

[sacred moss]

Yup yup thank you for correction Dr. Spoon.

[serene iris]

I saw that too... It was definitely an anomaly, I don't usually include the anomalies. Could have been someone selling to himself or some sort of wash trading who knows 🤷‍♂️

[twin knot]

I'd rather buy 4 T3 at this price though...

[serene iris]

They do seem like better value atm, although it is much quicker to manage 1 t4 than 4 T3

and cheaper to get extra builders for a single plot if you need them

[twin knot]

Max plots take 2 min per day to manage just harvest in repeat mode

[serene iris]

True, but it adds up, especially if your holding to much land.

It takes me about 45min a day. I'm tempted to get rid of some scanners and researchers to cut down on the time

[twin knot]

Yes there is always room for optimisation also you may want to harvest every 20h instead of 24h thanks to path bonus, which makes it trickier

Still currently max T3 under 0.3ETH is a no brainer for me

Once revenue kicks in you find your investment back in no time

[serene iris]

Hopefully!

[pseudo pulsar]

I was wondering scanner level 5 does that also capture the lower levels seems not to ..

[radiant sky]

with a scanner lvl 5 you can find biodata from T1-T5 Illuvials.

[pseudo pulsar]

My lower lvl seem to pay out more i lvl up to T-5s scaners to see if it would find more all around but seem to go the other way .i did end up finding one after a dry strech

[radiant sky]

all levels have the same chance of a successful scan as far as i know

[pseudo pulsar]

Only thing i found so far using 2 lvl 5 scaners over 3weeks of scaning on 2 diffrant T-1 lands

Idid scan on a lvl 2 scaner and found one seem qick

[radiant sky]

it's probably just the usual rng

[pseudo pulsar]

In past it seem to be same as lvl 2 scaner .scaning with lvl 5 scaner seems harder odds find biodata of any thing ?

I had to question because when I did find something it was high T-illuvial

Most likely iam over thinking my odds

[craggy bison]

what happened to the land owners channel does anyone know ?

[vivid cipher]

It’s still https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1059599339351199845

you probably need to use #🎫〕verify-asset

One issue is that if your land is in your passport wallet it won’t be able to work with that verification system. But using metamask secondary wallet works.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, I transferred myself a T1 for verification

[twin sequoia]

Anyway, nothing is said in it

These were the last threads

[placid finch]

Hi I need some help I can’t withdraw money because of immutable error

I am withdrawing eth

[autumn hill]

Hello everyone, where do I see the current revenue of illuvium? Probably in the contract, right? I would like to know how much the 5% revenue is because of fuel burning per cycle.

[radiant sky]

There is no official live ticker for revenue

@harsh dew is posting his Spreadsheet here and there with some data but excluding steile payments

[autumn hill]

Alright, thank you very much 👍🏻

[harsh dew]

Update is coming just for you, most of the time I post it here #💰〕token

[livid nebula]

Hey, I had been locked out of my mega city for months, and just found that I can get back in 😂 - anyone willing give me a recap of how fuel production and optimization has changed - kinda checked out while I couldn’t play 🙃

[copper inlet]

<t:1746662400:R>

[stable minnow]

This has been my experience across different tiers of land

[tardy falcon]

yay zero rewards next week!!

[spring void]

How will leaderboard points be determined just total fuel produced in a week or?

[tardy falcon]

i think its fuel and science

[serene iris]

@whole spear

Are there any more details on the zero leaderboards?

Is it just fuel produced or is it fuel burnt?

Do any other metrics count like blue prints or building levels?

[opal thistle]

This is the only info we have so far......we will have to wait for more details

[gritty wave]

And is the lb for all properties owned?

collectively, as one?

[tardy falcon]

that would defeat the purpose of a LB...

oh wait

you mean like in your wallet?

I would assume it's all the things within an account

that would all count toward LB

[uneven pulsar]

Amazing rewards, amazing leaderboard. I think need tot do for bounty the same 150 ilv top 1 and 2-50 1 ilv)))

[prisma trout]

I am not too excited about the Zero leaderboards. I feel the higher tiers will get all of the rewards while T1 will see nothing. I've been playing each day, but it's still slow going. I hope it works out fairly, but not getting my hopes up.

[serene iris]

I dont think this is to reward everyone, but more of an incentive to collect and hold land, especially if your actively playing it.

I'm pretty sure if you hold a single t1 plot or even 10 x T1 plots you are probably not going to be on the leaderboards... just speculation I may be wrong

[prisma trout]

@serene iris
I absolutely agree. A T1 is pretty worthless honestly. I have waited patiently, & sometimes not, and it seems land owners get a few crumbs here & there, but it truly gives no hope to ever get back where it should be.

[serene iris]

There is a lot of land especially t1 and 2 plots being traded at the moment so there is at least a bit of speculation on land, the price has been trending up for a while, but its a long way off minting costs.

Building value for land is going to take time, especially with how far it has fallen..... but if you look at any Nft project they are absolutely destroyed right now, way worse than ilv land. Most have been completely abandoned.

If illuvium is successful, land will become successful. It's as simple as that

[prisma trout]

@serene iris
Then I will pray it will be successful. As I've said before, I don't mind grinding. I'm at L47 out of 50 in Pokemon Go...lol

It would just be nice to get at least a little something back from my land.

[mossy sorrel]

where do we get fuel burn rewards?

is it in the normal rewards page with a delay?

[serene iris]

Same page 👍

[mossy sorrel]

gotcha thanks

since the week just ended, i'll give it some time to update

[serene iris]

Takes a couple days

[pseudo pulsar]

Can a T1land compete with a T4 on point bd

[gritty wave]

or perhaps how many t1s do you have to own to + a t4..and I'm sure it will matter how developed they all are. I assume part of the incentive of LB zero rewards will be activity also, so actually doing something daily.

[pseudo pulsar]

Maybe as a add on separate tier bracket

kind of how the Beyond wave points got separated for wave 3

total account points vs tier points

need to have those technical differences of skilled strategy represented

Help keep little land stay in the game

what would be cool is that you can essentially upgrade a T1 land to a T2 and maybe a T2 to a T3 just not all in one plot keep different tools of scarcity active for the higher levels

[tardy falcon]

That would make sense. I'd guess rewards will be based on fuel production burned per account and Bps minted or found per account. That would esentially make highest tiers on the top of the leaderboard. But that seems right.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, the same that in other LBs. The more you spend, the more points you get. Don´t expect to reach top spots, these will be accounts with several T4 and MC. But I hope playing the plot can make for some points. At the end, a T1 can only support 1/2 builders 24/7, depending on planning. But T2 onwards you can have 3 builders 24/7. I don´t think T1 will help much with it but a T2 could.

I´m very, very afraid of this 😂 😱

[knotty mango]

When are the fuel pay out sent?

[twin sequoia]

Now usually 1 day after the cycle ends. You can check it in https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[zinc kraken]

Hi Folks, if i play Zero i got an Practice Alert?? Fuel or any items produced in this plot cannot be sold or used?? Why? Do I have to buy a plot now?

[deep granite]

yes, the free plot is just for fun/practice. if you want to produce fuel for the ecosystem you have to own land nft

for obvious reasons as the free plot could just be botted to infinity destroying the entire illuvium ecosystem

[zinc kraken]

Mh, ok thanks

[silver plover]

Best I’ve seen on my land yet!

[rotund forum]

Cycle 6, had sold more fuel, higher percentage, and yet less eth. That can´t be good

[twin knot]

There's not much revenue. Keep your fuel and sell later if you can

[rotund forum]

the thing is, when there is a week of more revenue, because of maybe beyond sales, everyone is going to dump their fuel, so yes, the amount is bigger but the % will be smaller. I think I just sell every week for now, that will be a good average

[tardy falcon]

Maybe idk how much ppl are actually holding fuel… we will find out

[chrome grove]

Has anyone figured out the most efficient way to get fuel production on a t2 land?

Is it best to have 36 converters with low efficiency, or just a handful at 150%?

I have all 130 biodata, but thinking I just want to do fuel going forward

[vestal raft]

I have 3 x T2 plots that also have all 130 biodata now, so I have re-arranged them a bit to be more focused on Fuel production. (still have one lvl5 scanner tugged away in a corner, and have the 5 Labs, plus Storage, and a few Transducers). I am not sure if my approach is the most optimal, but I have around 17-18 Converters on each of the plots, and most are maxed at 150%.

I was looking at it this way... if 36 converters will have 50%, I will only need 12 converters with 150% to be just as effective. So if I can get around those 17-18 with high efficiency, it's probably better, and it was also a lot easier to reconstruct the plots in that way 🙂

[mortal mural]

you need the max output passive efficiency for your tier plots

but the approach is correct. i do the same

since having more converters at max you need to use fuel to max them out.

in the end i got some mix of max output passive efficiency (i dont know how to put it in other words). and some that are the next step of less efficiency but that overall gives net fuel more thatn not having.

17-21 converters is what people have achieve in t2 plots i think. somewhere in between seems the average.

[uneven pecan]

hello i am new here!

stil can make money with this game?

[tardy falcon]

• Zero Rewards coming next week: Requires owning and playing land
• Zero Burning Fuel: Gain a percentage of Illuvium revenue - Requires owning land
• Gauntlet Rewards active: No ownership requirements just be top leaderboard
• Beyond Leaderboard: Fill you album with best bonded illuvitars
• Bounty Leaderboard: Requires either capturing illuvials in OW or opening packs via Auto Drone Run