🎮〕illuvium-zero

[nova epoch]

how earn with zero

[analog basin]

The problem is the dream was 5% of potentially $100,000 a month or something similar, not the stipend we are seeing today unfortunately.

[twin knot]

Well of course if you think illuvium is not going to generate revenue then you should not invest at all in revdis assets...

[analog basin]

@twin knot Who has a crystal ball? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, understanding the nature of an event after it has happened. Hey I'm not bitter I took the risk my deal, but I get the disappointment believe me. My staked balance hit over $260,000 at one point in Nov 2021, today less than $2000. Disaster really. Bit late to use that logic today do you not agree?

For new investors maybe, for OGs not so much, too late now. For what's left it's a case of Glory or Death for me at least. Live and learn.

[unkempt kettle]

Any updates wrt the fuel burn?

[marsh canyon]

Is someone have a guide to optimise each land ? Like how many converters, best efficiency ,…

[uneven pulsar]

Could y send link for this?

[twin sequoia]

Not an offical guide. It was usually said that you could pack 21/22 converters in a T1 or T2 if you go full fuel. I guess aproximately the same for T3 or T4 but I´m not sure. My T3s go "full" science, so I cannot build so many converters with good efficiency.

[hexed abyss]

same same, but different 💃🏻

[harsh dew]

You can see the date on the report.
The report is not specially create for Fuel purchased and compared with Fuel Burned.

[rose thicket]

33 plots! I wish we would have heard from you earlier. You have at least multi-plot 80 landholders that feel exactly the same. This is definitely an experience none of us would ever want to repeat.

[rose thicket]

setbacks are one thing in business but misses by orders of magnitude are completely a different story

[foggy sage]

Qhat is the total number of bio data 130?

[chrome grove]

Yes, 130

[timber sapphire]

Yeah 5% was always the case, but with all the delays and fuel nerfs and rework we got kinda fked yeah

[last tiger]

Agreed 💯

[last tiger]

Yup

[long current]

If the Illuvium team made such dramatic changes to the game economy and gameplay over time, then I think it's unfair to cling to the argument: “But you agreed to 5% when you bought the land.” If everything else can change, then the revenue share for landowners should also be open to adjustment, especially to reflect a more fair and sustainable balance. Many promises were made..

[timber sapphire]

The hard part is that there are a lot more tokenholders than landowners so they will never change that

[dark adder]

I can't find it. Shouldn't it be prominently displayed and easily readable on the website when purchasing land? If someone wants to buy land, this information must be clearly and precisely available on the Illuvium website. It shouldn't require me to dig through Discord messages from three years ago about a 5% detail. In all the advertisements, whether from Illuvium, YouTubers, or on the website itself, there was no mention of the 5% until recently, when it was shared via Unified News on the Illuvium website.
Anyway, it’s far too late now, and we’re deeply invested in the game. I sincerely hope Illuvium grows stronger and more stable so that all fans of this unique game can rediscover the joy it brings. After all, hope dies last.

[quiet heath]

Am I correct in saying that since it does not matter what fuel you burn as it goes by % of total fuels burned, in a T4 you could have the majority of the converters that you can of the same type as the bonus fuel production it should overall produce more fuel as the bonus can go up to 180% each converter...

Has anyone done any calculations/ tests on this?

[vocal pasture]

Well...

Let me see…

Fully maxed T4 burning...so...

7048$ * 5% * 0,387%

1,3637 dollars 😛

A good coffee!

ROI in about 4656 weeks 😛

Year 2144... a bit after bitcoin ends block minig rewards 😄

kids will be proud of their greatgrandfather

[dark adder]

upload file is disabled for me, just for me or No Bodey Can upload image here more ?

Cycle 1 i burned : 22K Fuel 0.728%

is better no Burned More and Use My Fuel For Playing and Waiting For Coming Soon Fuel Send in Over World and Playing

[vocal pasture]

Oh. The total was 12k fuel in cycle 1 , 0,387%

You cannot send to overwordl anymore…

[dark adder]

Not Coming Soon Soon ?

[vocal pasture]

It came, and it went away lol

Now you can only burn things

Like US economy 🤣

[dark adder]

Economy 😦

I need anti-depression pills

[vocal pasture]

We both buy some, we get a discount. Need them too lol

[timber sapphire]

You cant sent to overworld anymore, only burn it

[nocturne trail]

Is the revdis for land distributed on the staking dashboard or somewhere else?

[last tiger]

and if we dont burn any fuel anymore they will produce fuel from air right?

[tardy falcon]

Zero has nothing to do with illuvium fuel economy now. Burn or no burn has no bearing.

[last tiger]

i see

we are the outcasts

well

anyone wants 4 T2 lands? im done

to much time lost here

and i need money to pay IRS

[vocal pasture]

They have their own illuviFED printer now. We re just the idiots who buy 10 year bonds at 5% return. Something along the lines.

[last tiger]

Yeah it's very sad

[dusty isle]

5% is a joke

[twin knot]

5% is a good deal

[pure fable]

the problem is, illuvium zero is pretty boring so far

[vocal pasture]

I find it cool. What is not cool is the unprofitability.

But we pray the game gains a new life with all these changes

[analog basin]

That really is hitting the nail right on the head. They don't need us, but you can nibble on the crumbs if you fancy.

Fractional reserve F̶i̶a̶t̶ fuel machine goes Brrrrrrrrrr.

[analog basin]

While I completely agree and that makes perfect sense, problem is they are fighting for survival therefore we are a way lower pecking order priority.

[dark adder]

Very Good question Bravo

[long current]

Doesn't have to happen right now, but maybe down the line where conditions are more favorable

[tardy falcon]

Look yall… illuvium economy was fucked before. While it’s not perfect, this new economic model is at least stable. If they kept the old model then for sure the project was headed to death.

Now us zero folks don’t have to keep undercutting each other for sales and illuvium can focus more on building games rather than worrying about a crumbling economy,

Sucks yes for now… but better they pivot economy than us peck at a dead carcass.

@noble quest u mentioned a proposal during hyper… care to share what that proposal is?

[harsh dew]

Last update 15 min ago, Purchased Fuel exclusinf Stripe data

[last tiger]

Yeah it's true and we don't have a lot of players to support this new vision but it's kinda frustrating we've been here like what? 4 years now? I ain't got the chance to sell fuel 1 time

I hope this is good but it's been so much time

And seeing your lands losing value each week

Could lead you in a temptation to buy more land for your monopoly but could be a trap to

All the features are cool

But Illuvium needs retention

Players that stay no matter what like us, with all these cuts we had on zero

[dark adder]

yes then you have to advertise a lot on many platforms

[last tiger]

What is the point of doing runs? If the marktplace have so much illuvials

At cheap

I have a perfect stat shiny Malura and nobody wanna buy that for 200 dollars

They need to burn so trash Illuvials

Or new systems for it

[last tiger]

Thanks for the info brother I'm at 0.1% I should get some cents

[harsh dew]

Hooo I think that most of the revenu is coming from Autodrone run which is not in the report and also it's missing Stripe payment. 8k is nothing compare to actual number of AutoDrone runs!

[last tiger]

The problem is Illuvium fuel should be only produced by us, or a bigger portion of it, that's what made me buy lands. Cuz that was what I thought would be and many like me fall for that 🤣

[harsh dew]

According to Kieran, he mentionned those number in the Going Hype Episod #10 (the last one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvhGeZBQGs

[last tiger]

So you are saying that could be more for us? Right?

I would be happy with 1 dollar per week honestly

But that would be better then some funds investments 😂

And if that's the case us landowners don't even have the money to buy runs 😆

[dark adder]

what is the Stripe payment ?

[harsh dew]

This

[last tiger]

And I have a question when this burn fuel payments will drop? Weekly?

[near wadi]

Unfortunately, everything that is mined, collected, everything depreciates. There was once an attempt to create a fund, like a market-mayer, so that Illuvium itself would control prices, buy from the market. But this idea was also overplayed with fuel and we see what we see. Such games live by this, values, everything is interconnected. And if you breed too much of something, the entire economy will go to dust, which is what we see.

[harsh dew]

I don't see the info: https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-rewards-are-back-rangers

[near wadi]

As has been joked many times, although there is no time for jokes. Illuvium collects all possible and impossible mistakes. But it goes further, does not give up. Someday the mistakes will simply end, and the dawn will come ))

[tardy falcon]

Implement a good burn mechanism and this can be remedied

[near wadi]

Yes, that's what they answered, there will be such a mechanism in the future. The conversation was about Illuvitars, a long time ago.)

[last tiger]

U gave me hope ILV Messiah thank you, that's true we can only do 2 things, give up or keep hoping that this will work one day and forget about all the rug pulls traumas we have 😂🤣

I will wait more time then only problem is with all this thing happening to us I don't even have patience to play cuz feels like there's no point we burn fuel and then we don't have nothing

[near wadi]

Sorry, bro, team spirit works wonders. )) But I honestly believe that Illuvium will cope one way or another, it's just a little ahead of its time, technology can't keep up with the flight of thought. Next is VR ))

[last tiger]

I hope we laugh from this one day too

[near wadi]

Although, they promised us an underground world. In the current situation, flights in virtual reality sound better. ))

[fallow rampart]

Can someone point me in the direction for information of how to get fuel off my plot and getting the combined fuel to buy ADRs?

[iron laurel]

You can no longer use the fuel from your land in the OW. You now burn it get revenue distribution in the form of ETH and have to buy fuel.

[placid finch]

I’m looking to sell t3 land that are next to each other. Let me know if interested ping me

[timber sapphire]

4-6 weeks, that's what they said after landsale too...

[manic ginkgo]

How many developers does illuvium have, and how much do they get paid?

[blissful storm]

so the way it was sold to us was we could play "for free" by producing fuel and able to sell if we had extra. Now that has been changed to be forced to sell for peanuts and have to buy fuel from the store? Did I get that right?

[vocal pasture]

You did. lol.

[timber sapphire]

Sadly yeah you are right

[slender heath]

How does the fuel burn work? I burned most of my fuel which told me I had done 0.1% of the fuel burned but I havnt seen any payments yet as the cycle had ended

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky Do I understand correctly that the fuel that is given for winning the Gauntlet is essentially another minus for landowners, since instead of buying it, it is generated out of thin air and landowners receive nothing?

[radiant sky]

not really.
it's onboarding incentive... and it really isn't a lot

[radiant sky]

revenue isn't distributed yet.

new claim page got leaked, i guess that will be live soon

[viscid bolt]

So, IZ fuel burners are going to be paid in fuel, or in eth?

[radiant sky]

ETH as far as i know

[timber sapphire]

Directly on passport?

[radiant sky]

i assume so

[agile sigil]

Is it different epochs to this?

[rotund forum]

but this image is from revenue distribution through staking the token, or from burning fuel in zero?

it seems that you can choose in what you want to get paid, fuel, eth or ilv.

[radiant sky]

ya looks like

idk maybe both

[radiant sky]

what do you mean with different epoch?

[vivid cipher]

I don’t know exactly how many developers are working for Illuvium. Not all the core contributors are technically “developers”.

Though This may provide some helpful info. #💰〕token message

I’ll find an announcement you should probably read as well. #📣〕announcements message
It does not have a number of core contributors (I think it’s around 50 but I’m really uninformed)

[agile sigil]

If i burn fuel know, how do i know what you get and also when does it start and end? Say i have 1000 hyperion now and want to burn it, what happens?

Over all in very dissapointed for what have happend cause this is not the same project anymore. So much money almost throwned away and i were s proud landowner before, now i dont know what i get from it

[tardy falcon]

Tbh it’s prob better this way

[iron laurel]

@radiant sky Could you please confirm something for me?
On my MC I can delete 3 of my 4 Nexus's but do they have to be at level 9 before I do or if the one I keep is Level 9 is that good enough to count as a level 9 on all plots for building purposes? Not sure if I have to level up the ones that are currently 8 before I delete them.

[vivid cipher]

If you delete them before they reach level 9 then you are limiting your maximum buildings

[tardy falcon]

You have limited structures if u delete before all being level 9

Jinx 😝

[vivid cipher]

So probably best to get them all to level 9. Unless you know that you don’t need the combined max total

🤷

[iron laurel]

Thanks @vivid cipher and @tardy falcon. I will level them before deleting then. I thought that was the case but didn't want to waste the fuel if I didn't have to.

[solar topaz]

technically yes, until there are 20x more players than landowners at which point the 5% share of revenue would be more than average spending of the landowners...

[bold field]

Please tell me how and when the fee for burned fuel is charged, thank you

[twin knot]

what fee?

[bold field]

for the fuel we burn every week

[twin knot]

there is no fee where did you see that?

[radiant sky]

You don't know how much you get, since revenue is not public.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

Max them to lvl9 before delete.
1 Max lvl Nexus on one plot is enough to be able to build all structures on all plots in your mc

[torpid relic]

Finally snagged my Tier 3 land. Gonna take awhile to clean up the plants and re-structure it to be more efficient.

[torpid relic]

It ain't much, but it's an honest day's work. Gonna figure out the path bonus later

[noble quest]

Just chatting to the council about it

On my twitter

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-whats-up-gif-gif-25961063

[nocturne trail]

Build it

[torpid relic]

Trying to. Get all the fuel going and check out the science aspects. I know nothing about that side of things lol

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-what-did-i-miss-door-open-gif-15073769

[tardy falcon]

Hopefully it's about getting training gyms for zero so we can be part of the ecosystem again. Gain xp for ze illuvials

[torpid relic]

I know it'll vary every cycle but it's burning fuel worth it?

[mortal spruce]

We can‘t use it for ourselves! Or anyone has other informations?

[twin sequoia]

We can use it to delevop the plot, science and burn it

[mortal spruce]

Correct, sry my fault👍🏻

[stable minnow]

My understanding is that unless you want to hoard it to burn when it’s worth more, there’s nothing else to do it.

If you have a max plot and are generally “done” upgrading your buildings that require fuel, you can’t do anything else with it can you?

Can you still send it to overworld to play with? Or is it only to burn or use in Zero?

[torpid relic]

That's what I was thinking. After everything is maxed, what else is there?

[jaunty rain]

only burning. you cant send it to overworld anymore

[tardy falcon]

I look at the amount of fuel I burn each day and say to myself… that’s fifty bucks in an alternate universe

[iron laurel]

Don't look. Definitely don't think about it.

[tardy falcon]

Nice seeing u in arena… I started playing again. I’m not good but I’m gonna practice.

Got myself a jetliner laptop… cuz it’s as loud as a fkn jet 🤪

[iron laurel]

I'm better than I was but I have a long way to go. The competition is stiff in there.

I like it though, it's fun. 🙂

[foggy bison]

Uh oh, what happened to Super Hamster?

[stable minnow]

Yeah that’s all I am aware of. Obv also small amounts daily on blueprints / scans if you’re into it as well, but those fuel costs are negligible

[lyric hamlet]

Can someone give it straight to me? Are the lands useless now?

[tardy falcon]

Illuvium make lots $$ = Land 👍
Illuvium make little $ = Land 👎

[iron bay]

I think the real question is, what should our expectation be in regards to fuel burn % payout timing?

[flint frigate]

so, this never happened yet right?

[flint frigate]

Kieran. we cant purchase credit via pc or via crypto still?

no more decelopment on this end?

[lilac timber]

Can i get a land now in illuvium??

Is it worth buying it?

[lyric lodge]

Can we send blue prints from one land to another ?

[lyric lodge]

Now is the best time ....it's so low would not go t1...highest tier you can afford....go buy on ilv website

[lyric lodge]

Ofc not we all making BP...but gone down a load

[lyric lodge]

Gyms are coming I think and raids ect

[patent zealot]

IZ Credits can be purchased only from Android/ iOS.

[flint frigate]

yeah that sucks for some of the players

and it seems theres no development on thst right?

[twin knot]

Probably not I'm assuming it is a must have to give their cut to Apple and Google

[torpid relic]

Would that make Zero pvp then?

[pure fable]

when do we need the scanners again, do you guys remove them??

[lyric lodge]

No way if you want blue prints you need them to create skins

[pure fable]

I have all 130 Biodata so for what do I need them?!

[twin knot]

You can get rid of them

And use the space 🙂

[lyric lodge]

Build research labs to get blue prints then go into overworld and get 3 x creatures of same suit to mint a suit

[twin sequoia]

No, you can´t. Only if you have a MC they are shared.

[radiant sky]

no

[radiant sky]

probably with set2, but there's no date announced for set2

[open stratus]

I mean as long as the 19:1 ratio exists. Landowners will always fall short

Sad we didn't see this coming from the start. Rip to those who bought at auction.

[glacial garnet]

No one complained about the 1:19 (5% revenue) until there was no revenue

Either its with lands, in game assets or the token, we all bet on illuvium's success

Would you feel 5% if a problem if illuvium was generating 100 million per year?

[open stratus]

Hypotheticals don't work anymore. We've been promised so much by the shifty salesman

Where are the results

[glacial garnet]

There isnt much revenue yet cause the first game isnt ready and they havent market yet

Even if lands would have 100% revenue from illuvium the result wouldnt be good enough compared to our expectations

The problem isnt the 1:19 imo

[open stratus]

Yeah always soon soon soon. Eventually the soons runs out fam

It's been months. They went the wrong direction from the start. Now have to backtrack

I fear the hype train may already be gone.. ain't nobody flocking back here without free money handouts

And now zero.. the largest backers and holders (that got rekt the most) get what for development / features ? They got shoved down the priority list further

[torpid relic]

Just reading this convo and it sounds like for owning land to be worth anything, Illuvium needs a user base that's paying for something. So maybe Zero is indirectly ahead in the priority list with the other games being focused on to help drive adoption?

Hope that made sense and I know that may be the optimists take on it

[open stratus]

No I do get that, but I fear the ship has sailed. You can only say "soon" so many times before it loses all meaning

And believe me, I did enjoy overworld and zero. And I hope it can come back

Never really got into arena and all that. I'd rather hunt, not do tft

[torpid relic]

Yeah, totally understood. I played Zero when it was first released but then found out it wasn't for real, so I lost interest. What feels like years later, I've finally come back and got obsessed with developing my plot. Once that gets maxed out and I'm bored, I'll probably be more upset with the team.

[open stratus]

And theres nothing else to do except spam RNG chances of finding blueprints that are scarcely used or even more scarcely purchased from you

The mistake was believing that overworld was "a glorified pack opening" as it kept getting described as.

Open world creature capture / questing with storyline/ lore - boss battles etc. Is far more popular than a TFT game mode.

[radiant sky]

and far more work 🙂

[open stratus]

The pieces are all there though. The world is there, had it been prioritized

Before the oh shit moment

Sorry just frustration at the lack of delivery and direction. This is a pretty big hole thats now been dug

[radiant sky]

highly doubt that.
People's expectations if it comes to questing, lore boss battles etc what should be in in a open world crature capture would need way more assets then there has been there.

[open stratus]

Just captain hindsight here tired of getting wrecked

[covert siren]

is there a undo button i accidently sold my t5 scanner

cmon i dont wanna build this shit for 5million hours again

"reset plot" can choose for 1 day ago?

[radiant sky]

No, there is no such thing

[grand silo]

is illuvium moving to avax?

[glossy otter]

I didnt check for a long time and see land prices are 1/10 😄

[vestal raft]

Finally got the last Biodata on my T2 land

[covert siren]

well well well

[foggy sage]

Are the ilv rewards from the burn stuff sent to us as eth or?

[undone cedar]

any news on rewards based on burned fuel?

[radiant sky]

should be paid out in eth, yes

[radiant sky]

unfortunately not

[iron bay]

No news is always worse than bad news

[tardy falcon]

From what I can decipher from the subtle mystic air is that they are working on a claim dashboard where you will be able to claim all the different rewards in either eth, fuel, or Ilv depending on the reward.

[iron bay]

And that's great news - if it was shared. Without anything, people go down the rabbit hole on conspiracy theories and trust is lost.

[tardy falcon]

Yep… communication isn’t their strongest suit

It’s pretty common for rewards to be delayed… happened in Beyond a few times. But they always catch up… and there was logical reasons for the delays. But again, communication.

[spice vector]

Pretty sure I did say last week that we are working on the automation for all of this 🙂

[tardy falcon]

Some servers have a ‘minor announcements’ channel. These important, but not necessarily major, bits of info would be great to post in a channel like that so they don’t get buried.

[iron bay]

If it's not in an announcement, it's for all intents and purposes, not official.

[solar topaz]

follow up question: what happens to the biodata if the megacity gets split up?

[undone dagger]

The fact that Land is below $50 has me greedy ngl

[radiant sky]

unknown
you wana split up a megacity?

[flint frigate]

understood

[errant pollen]

Is there any auto harvester out there? Is it legal using them?

[solar topaz]

no I don't want to - I was just wondering what happens

[real ice]

fuel burn cycle 2 end on 9 apr 23:59 utc ?

[glad mango]

Against terms

[rotund reef]

There should be a good opportunity this week for a high % after the burn, since a lot of us (like me) blew our wads and burned too much last week, and now we don't have a lot to give.

[grand silo]

anyone know if we can claim ilv instead of eth when burning fuel?

[serene iris]

Pure speculation here.

You might be able to claim in eth, ilv or fuel

[grand silo]

wasnt it supposed to be that way originally. illuvium revenue buying ilv and then distributing. would be nice accumulating ilv via Zero

[noble willow]

hey all, so I bought my land to use my fuel in OW, and now we have this system where you MUST sell and then buy. As I only have t1 sites,
what is the expected return on fuel sales for that level? With say 12 fuel converters all maxed, along with the main fuel mine maxed
is there a difference in sale price for different fuel, based on how much of each is produced, or does that not matter now because all fuel is converted into the single fuel

[iron laurel]

All fuel is worth the same.
Active landowners will receive 5% of revenue from all games. Your share will be a percentage based on how much everyone else playing Zero is producing. So, if you produce 1% of all the fuel produced on land then you will get 1% of the 5% of revenue.

[serene iris]

I'm not sure what your total fuel output will be per week, on a t1 I think its about 500 fuel a week.

It costs $1 to do a stage 1 run in overworld.

We are yet to see revenue numbers per fuel burnt. On release of the system it will probably be very very low..... but if you save your fuel and burn it at the right time you might be able to do a run a week. This would increase as income goes up.

This is just a estimate

[past kindle]

zero down? I can't login, login error

[tawdry plank]

works for me just fine

[past kindle]

hrmph cant get the passport thingy to open when booting the game

arena says no internet, they prolly banned me for shits n giggles

cya

[icy thicket]

@radiant sky this feels low... where you at?

[serene iris]

This must be a mega city?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-gif-26471287

[icy thicket]

Well dayum! 🔥

[torpid relic]

And I still have a ways to go

[hazy jewel]

when cycle 2 ends? today at what time ? And when we got share of cycle 1 burning ?

[stable minnow]

my highest non-mega city plot

[torpid relic]

Goals

[torpid relic]

How many hours do you think you have logged?

[stable minnow]

Offt NFI, I log in twice a day to all plots, done that for like... whenever Zero has been available after the initial plot resets

[pseudo pulsar]

fuel rewards fuel needed at the moment is downgraded is this normal

[patent zealot]

If a megacity gets split up, the biodata is distributed based on the data storage capacity of each sub-plot.

For example, when you split a 2x2 megacity, if one plot has 50% of the total data capacity, and the others have 20%, 20%, and 10%, the biodata will be split proportionally according to those percentages.

[real ice]

what time 2 cycle ends tonight?

[twin sequoia]

I think that 23:59:59UTC or on the 10th at 00:00:00UTC

[real ice]

it says 9 april so 23:59:59 should be i think

[chrome grove]

After we get all 130 biodata, is it worth selling them to make space for converters? I really wish we had the option to reset the buildings and where they go : /

selling the scanners that is

[iron laurel]

There will be new Illuvials in the future but we have no idea of when. We will need scanners for them. Your choice if you want to sell and use the space and rebuild when needed or just tuck them aside for now.

[tardy falcon]

Heya @serene ingot
Any plans for Holo skins? Seems like a logical thing to have if you burn 3 holo illuvials, then the skin should be holo... or 2 and 66.6% chance for holo, 33% etc... like fusing

[twin sequoia]

@harsh dew any update on revenue? Is the info up to date or is there a delay?

[tulip fox]

Where I can see how much ETH I got for burned fuel?

[serene ingot]

not right now at least - theres some bigger fish to fry ;D

[twin sequoia]

Nowhere right now, may be in the future we´ll have a tool for it.

[tardy falcon]

hahah I feel that... was just curious for da future

[tulip fox]

Should be visible at least on Blockchain right? lol

[serene ingot]

Da future is bright mon!

[harsh dew]

Coming!

[tulip fox]

@whole spear where I can see how much $ I got for burning my fuel?

It looks like I didn't get anything in my Passport

[whole spear]

we havent paid it out yet, we will have an announement about it today

[twin sequoia]

Revenue in ETH yes, but not payments with credit cards, etc.

[tulip fox]

Well I don't care about credit cards 🙂

[harsh dew]

New update:
Remember ETH price fluctuated alot lately. Note that the report is excluding stripes payment

[harsh dew]

It's moving up faster! #💬〕general message

[torpid relic]

Path bonus is +1% for every 10 buildings on that path, correct? So you'd need at least 150 structure limit to get to that 15% level?

[tawdry plank]

Yes. One building is 1%, 11 buildings is 2% and so on. So technically 141 buildings will give you 15%. Nexus level 8 will allow you to build 150 buildings on the plot.

[tawdry plank]

Looks like we burned around 300000 fuel less then in previous cycle.

[vagrant dagger]

What’s the idea behind burning fuel?? Must of missed the announcement on it!

[tawdry plank]

I do recommend to go and check those announcements. In recent weeks there have been several blog posts about what have changed and why.

[torpid relic]

Thank you for confirming. I second guess everything and hate re structuring things 😆

[torpid relic]

Does that hopefully mean more pay out per fuel for those that did burn?

[serene iris]

Where do you get these numbers?

[tardy falcon]

ppl get distracted XD

takes effort to keep up the burn daily

[tawdry plank]

Just calculate it from my percentage of burnt fuel.

[serene iris]

I think your missing a digit

If 31k is 1%

Multiply by 100

I think

Approximately

[tardy falcon]

nice bp day

[torpid relic]

Anyone have a guide on the science side of things? Idk how to get BPs yet, what needs to be built, what upgrading does, or best way to go about these things.

[serene iris]

https://youtu.be/ZKDsVci1ZoA?si=AM6d3wP46c_Qj344

[torpid relic]

Legend.

[tawdry plank]

It is a rounding problem. My account shows 0.9%. Extra decimals help. So it is more like 400000 less. First cycle 3.1 mil, second 2.7 mil.

[serene iris]

Ahh did read properly! Your numbers are good! Approx

[timber sapphire]

Wait, so we can claim our fuel after all from the ones we burn??

[heavy wolf]

Are zero leaderboard rewards live yet? Or just the ability to burn fuel for eth end of week?

[serene iris]

Not yet, but the recent announcement said you can claim in fuel or eth

[serene iris]

Zero leaderboards are not live yet

[timber sapphire]

Yeah that's what I mean

[serene iris]

Soon

How soon is soon?

You need to tag @whole spear he knows!

[timber sapphire]

It's saying very soon so I'm assuming this week

Or this reward week I mean

[serene iris]

It could be.... but it might not + or - extra soon

[timber sapphire]

Why else post it in this announcement

[sudden zinc]

GM! Did we already get the ETH for the fuel burned? And where can I check this? Thanks

[serene iris]

You will be able to claim it soon. Hasn't been released yet

[teal nexus]

Is there any knowledge of which blueprints are rare?

[twin sequoia]

There are 7 levels for armor (21 in total) and 4 for drones, but there is no info about %. In my experience (and by logic), higher level are a bit more difficult to find. And also higher lvl Biodata is more difficult to find. So, the higher the level of the biodata and the armor, the more rare the blueprint is. Also, higher stage illuvials of lower tier are harder to find than lower stage of higher tier. This is because in a family you usually (but not always) find first stage 1, then stage 2 and finally stage 3

[torpid relic]

I wish I had 10 plots of land. I love setting up the land, strategizing, and all of that but when I hit those points where everything is doing everything it can and there's nothing for me to do, I'm sad. 😆

Anyone want to donate some land to me?

[twin sequoia]

This happens only for the first dozens of plots, then it is a bit boring 🙂

[torpid relic]

If my fan token takes off, I'll drop 5k on a bunch of plots of land and just cook 😆

[twin sequoia]

I´m starting to think about improving my T3s, I almost did nothing as 90% is about extractors and science

[torpid relic]

I'm realizing I have 1 of every building built, so now it's just more science and converters to generate more with what's left of the plot.

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/bigger-fish-to-fry-important-things-to-do-ive-got-places-to-be-people-to-meet-girl-bye-gif-23262033

i thought roger just invented the phrase lol. i didnt know it was an actual saying lol

[serene ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[keen dirge]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/58554 120$ Tier 2

[hazy jewel]

When we will have rewards from fuel burning?

[torpid relic]

Bro, that looks like 1 of the most efficient layouts ever

Is it worth doing the missions they have on the website?

[radiant sky]

they don't count for current reward system

[torpid relic]

So, no point in going out of my way to look them up every day

[radiant sky]

Yes

[uncut plinth]

hey, is there a way to see rewards for fuel burned during the cycle?

[harsh dew]

No that I know

[harsh dew]

Here is the best I could collect so far from Fuel purchases, it's exclading Sripe payment & AutoDrone run which are probably most of the purchases coming from.

[radiant sky]

No

[twin sequoia]

But ADR need to buy fuel first right? or can they be done in some way without it being noted?

[uncut plinth]

got it, will try to do some math)

[twin sequoia]

Wouldn´t it be better to put daily sales in eth as in $ the revenue changes every day?

[severe parcel]

Does anyone have issues with not being able to mute the sound in ilv zero? Every time I load it up the sound is at max volume despite multiple attempts to turn it down or mute it

[vivid cipher]

I only really play on my iPhone which is basically constantly on vibrate mode so I don’t have this issue.

It does always stop whatever background audio is playing though.

What sort of device do you play on?

No something that I remember seeing before

[twin sequoia]

I have sound muted on smartphone, tabled and PC. I should try it 🙂

[severe parcel]

Yeah I usually play on my samsung phone but am constantly using sound or music beforehand to remember to ALWAYS mute it after. Shame, pretty much no solution then other then 'y ur sound on lul' 😂

I always turn the sound down in game but it never saves when I open it next. Its back up to 100%

[small sundial]

FOR 1 DAY ???

[harsh dew]

Have you at least... look at the report...

https://tenor.com/view/justin-timberlake-stare-current-mood-come-on-really-annoyed-gif-14722650

[torpid relic]

@twin sequoia I love that you know how much fuel you're producing per day with your land you're selling. I imagine it's easy to calculate at max levels and 20-24 hour extraction times, but still a great Stat to see shared

[crimson lantern]

Anyone receive fuel/ETH from "burned zero fuel"? Now its week 3 and I receive nothing 😦

[torpid relic]

Town hall is live. Good question for that

[radiant sky]

to my knowledge, this hasn't been distributed yet.
As far as i know, we waiting on the new claiming paige.

[crimson lantern]

Nowhere in the event description is it written that fuel from lands will typically be available sometime in 100 years....

It is written on purpose as if the payouts are immediate and automatic. Apparently there is no "we will pay in December 2037" on purpose...

[crimson lantern]

There are no Beyong payouts for over a month.
There are no payouts from Zero fuel.
Still no fuel compensation from "fuel upgrade". No one who wants compensation is allowed to PLAY OW or autodrone or spend even a single fuel on anything else... The season has been running for almost 2 weeks...
There is still no way to find out if I am entitled to compensation (Fuel about 2000 USD stolen me, I can't find out its price in ETH at the time of purchase - the history of old fuel purchases on the website is unavailable, request for compensation I sent as one of the first. There has still been no official response to it - after 2 weeks)

And Kieran is silent. And not only him. There are probably the last two moderators who are trying to answer a little. But they have nothing to do, because they themselves don't know much more about these things than we from annoucements. 😦

Oh, nothing, I just wanted to make sure that this is not a BUG, ​​but another intentional non-payment of promised rewards... As has been the custom here since season 1 😦

[tardy falcon]

They are working on a claim dashboard

Should be ready soon

deep breath

it'll be ok

[crimson lantern]

I have no problem with breath :)))

Because conditios is stupid... I cannot play... Only some time go to Discord check changes :))

[radiant sky]

Afaik team is automating all those repeated rewards stuff.
Takes some time, but should drop very soon as you can read in the announcement and should likely be very reliable afterwards since it's gona be automated.
I know it can be frustrating and I apologize for the inconvenience.

I guess we will also be able to claim the missing revenue, aswell as the fuel crates as soon as those are live, but that's just a big assumption from my side.... can also be blocked by IMC.

[tardy falcon]

If I had to gamble I'd say pause.. but u never know. Might be better to just rip the bandaid off.

[radiant sky]

pause?

[tardy falcon]

deny maybe a better word

[radiant sky]

you mean "terminate"?

[tardy falcon]

hahaha noooooo

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-carrot-gif-18228482

just this

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/now-youre-just-being-cruel-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-now-thats-just-rude-gif-25853212

[tardy falcon]

not me 😂 I don't hold the key to the fuel vault

[radiant sky]

sure 😄
But ya...wouldn't be a surprise moving forward like that.

[rotund reef]

I haven't connected to Tokan Trove in awhile, and my wallet is still "connected", but there are no NFTs being shown in it. Is this an IMX thing? What should I do from here to get it back to where it was?

[twin sequoia]

where is that dashboard from?

[viscid bolt]

I think it is the proposed one that should be live soon

[stable minnow]

any word on eligible wallets for the beta burn refund for fuel they burned automatically? Or can we just reach out to support now to see?

They said they were going to put a wallet list out

[tardy falcon]

Wouldn't be surprised if the refund is on the claim dashboard too

[radiant sky]

got leaked somewhere from Jeremy if i remember right

[radiant sky]

list hasn't been published yet.
According to the announcement we have to wait for that list, since you can just do 1 refund request.

[thorny crater]

Whats the total # of biodata again?

Im at 130 and cant remember for the life of me

[vivid cipher]

That’s the total

[thorny crater]

I was second guessing my self lol

Tank you very much

[rotund reef]

Total # of biodata? Can somebody explain?

[vivid cipher]

1 biodata for each of the t1-5 illuvials

You use the SCANNER to search for biodata.

You use that biodata to research specific BLUEPRINTS like armor or drone skins

[rotund reef]

Ok yeah, so 130 total BPs available currently then?

[vivid cipher]

Ah sorry. No.

[rotund reef]

Unique BPs, times 3 I guess depending on what it's for

Am I close?

[vivid cipher]

130*14 maybe

[rotund reef]

What is the 14?

[vivid cipher]

Different armor types and different drones

[rotund reef]

I'm catching on, thanks

[radiant sky]

you have 4 different drone Blueprints each biodata and you have 18 different armor Blueprints each biodata.
Making it 22 different blueprints in total you can find each biodata.

[rotund reef]

I'm using the wrong terminology. 130 max biodata as of right now, correct?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[rotund reef]

I had always thought the best thing they can do for landholders is not to give us a constantly devaluing gift for being patient and getting the short end of the stick a lot, but to give us exclusivity on biodata and BPs. If they want to give away a skin as a prize or something, fine. But give us exclusivity. It's virtually free, and could put us in a nice position later on.

[iron laurel]

Just a warning, don't go by the number only. There can be doubles in the biodata. I had to find 132 to actually get the 130 because I had a double of Carablu and another Illuvial.

[thorny crater]

You da bomb dot com

[ancient panther]

When do we get our first distro from contributing resources last week?!

[blazing ferry]

Would appreciate others' thoughts here:
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1360093918015914035

[harsh dew]

22 differents blueprints per illuvial ? Due to...
• 4 drones
• 18 armour I guess ? Will this change not sure if I ear something about it

[radiant sky]

Per illuvial-biodata... There are no illuvials in Zero 🙂

I guess it can Change since the Team might revamp the Ranger gear

[hazy jewel]

Sorry i don't know if this has been already answered: % of fuel burnt has already been shared for week 1 and 2 ?

[radiant sky]

no not yet.
There should be a new claimpage coming soon, where all those repeating rewards can be claimed

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hazy jewel]

ok thanks, do we know the numbers they are gonna pay ? how much was fuel sale week 1 and 2 ?

[radiant sky]

no, unfortunately those numbers are not public

[hazy jewel]

i understand, but i don't understand why....

[radiant sky]

me neither

@harsh dew is getting pretty much all the data with his spreadsheet, but stripe is missing which likely is a big part of the total fuel sales.
#💰〕token message

[harsh dew]

Last update 23 min ago

[quiet ocean]

Update in this month?

[rose thicket]

reads like lower lows...you do such a great job with these dashboards. The council should at least drop you some ILV for doing Labs job for them.

[harsh dew]

Yeah, i'm all in for donation. So far, got nothing yet

[rose thicket]

You might want to go dark with these around July as to not scare away all of the VCs that will be clamoring over getting a big bag of ILV. 😉

[harsh dew]

I will track ILV per wallet as well in time.

[radiant sky]

Unknown

[torpid relic]

Illicium is looking for VC money in July?

[rose thicket]

what kieran stated on the ama.

[tardy falcon]

@iron laurel I love that skins visuals are showing up now too!!

[iron laurel]

It's so fun seeing them all in my profile. Makes me want to make even more of them.😂

[tardy falcon]

ikr 😁

[undone cedar]

hey, we cant claim eth from zero on the new rewards tab?

[tardy falcon]

I saw zero on there at first then checked later and zero rewards disappeared

[torpid relic]

So the dashboard wasn't for claiming Fuel burn rewards? 🤔

[stable minnow]

wait, all rewards are fuel or ILV?

No ETH rewards

[torpid relic]

Seems that way for the other rewards. I've not seen real info on fuel burning rewards

[stable minnow]

Yeah okay - I only saw fuel at first, but I suppose if there's ILV that's not so bad

[undone cedar]

u have the eth button, but only fuel burn from land owners can claim eth

[stable minnow]

Ahh okay, so as all these are seasonal/pre season rewards, it's fuel or ILV only

zero is the only one that will have ETH rewards

[torpid relic]

I hope that stays true. Unless they have a plan to restore value to ILV. Then that $90M market cap is juicy

I don't know if this still holds true today but this is what had me hyped on land 3 years ago

[torpid relic]

This was the full thread

https://x.com/DiamondAtlasC/status/1538205111603712007?t=j9rys99I2ZKnNMsRZMZx_g&s=19

Diamond Atlas Capital (@DiamondAtlasC) on X

Poorly designed virtual NFT land is growing in abundance, with most of these digital lands destined to turn into dust.

Much of the skepticism surrounding metaverse land is warranted.

There are, however, select examples of land that set themselves apart.

🧵

1/45

X · Jun 18, 2022, 5:00 PM

[undone cedar]

with the fuel burn system, that doesn't apply anymore. At least for now

[ancient panther]

Why don’t we have an answer on this question?

[rose thicket]

Is anyone else rubbed wrong about the 20% and noticed fuel is the default with minimal pixel UI for switching? Does it feel like everywhere you turn in the ecosystem is a sleight of hand to landholders? I know Labs is in pure survival mode, but seriously, is this strategic?

[stable minnow]

probs depends how many take it VS what we get from fuel distribution

[broken roost]

where do we claim the fuel we sold?

[rose thicket]

why cut landholders in half on the leaderboards ILV distribution? Is that intentional to piss us off? when the VCs are nowhere to be found in July, what LEVER do you think they will try to pull? I can think of 20,000...

[twin sequoia]

Only for past seasons, nothing about IZ at the moment

[long current]

Funny how this reward dashboard totally ignores the land holders who burned fuel

[twin sequoia]

So it is sill in the works

[long current]

they could''ve at least address it

[tardy falcon]

I saw the burn for week one and two on the reward dashboard earlier... but then they disappeared

@spice vector what happened to the zero rev on the reward dashboard?

[twin sequoia]

If you mean this, it is not for the fuel burnt, but the future IZ leaderboard

or not, leaderboard rewards are in Fuel or ILV, and burnt fuel in Fuel or ETH, so the screenshot is a mix, right?

[tardy falcon]

I saw it in my dashboard

[twin sequoia]

I burnt, but nothing on the dashboard

[tardy falcon]

Yah that's what I'm saying... I saw it in my dashboard earlier... but now it's gone

[fossil galleon]

The dashboard is for rewards. Fuel burning is different IMHO. Although I don’t know where we get to see the payout for IZ fuel.

[tardy falcon]

Just sayin I saw them there earlier… had about 400+ claimable fuel for week one and 7-800 for week 2

[twin sequoia]

How much did you burnt?

[tardy falcon]

1% first week... closer to 2% second week

[cedar raft]

I'm Pro

[twin sequoia]

Why does people buy Fuel insted of redeem fuel crates?

[tardy falcon]

Prob don’t know about it

[twin sequoia]

I guess

[torpid relic]

How do you do that?

[torpid relic]

How do you earn the fuel crates? I had 1 that I redeemed. no idea how/when/why I had it.

[rotund reef]

Elite

[twin sequoia]

Probably from an airdrop. You can also buy them in illuvidex under promotional

[torpid relic]

Found my first!

[stable minnow]

are megacities still only 2x2 or 3x3?

[tardy falcon]

yessir

[keen dirge]

the fuel in my land burned. where did it go, why didn't it go to my imx wallet

[twin sequoia]

You have a lot to read from this announcement onward 🙂 #📣〕announcements message

In summary, fuel types were converted to unified Fuel and you can find this one in your Illuvium profile. You will be able to claim a refund for that fuel burnt, but we are waiting for more info on this

[keen dirge]

89:1, my t2 land, every day can be converted into 2 unified materials or burned and divided 5% of revenue. so unfair

[twin sequoia]

You read too fast xD. 89:1 was only for that initial step. But you will be able to claim it to a more fair rate (half of actual Fuel price) thanks to @radiant sky. You also have info for that in later announcements

[keen dirge]

how can i change fuel from zero to overwold and in what ratio because i see these 2 fuels are not the same

[twin sequoia]

Then, just 5% of revenue is shared along all of us. Not what initially expected by any of us but, in the actual stage of the game I think it is good balance for us between the web3 approach and reality

May be, in the future, it goes back to a marketplace, they have the code and knowledge to make it better

[keen dirge]

too bad, i bought t2 lands for 1k3$

[twin sequoia]

That´s no longer possible. In the new claim page, someday, you will be able to claim your share in ETH or Fuel. But this will be at actual Fuel rates ($0.01) so our only advantage is not needin to buy Fuel first.

[twin sequoia]

Quite better than on initial land sale :). I think that, at that price, if you enjoy the games and Illuvium has some success it will pay off.

If you like playing IZ and Arena/OW, you can also buy a new land to improve average price. T3 and T4 have been getting more expensive for some weeks now, but T1 (with bad element distribution) and T2 are still cheap. T1 with 1 of each element are also a bit more expensive, so that is your decission.

[keen dirge]

i'm so fed up with the direction of the leaders. what they really care about is money, not experience.
i really like playing arena pvp. 1:1. it's entertaining, not as stressful as 8-player arena. before it took me almost 60 minutes to find a pvp 1:1 player. as mentioned before, what game developers focus on is revenue, with a machine like illuvium now, and the current web 3 market situation, sooner or later, no one will play illuvium anymore.

good at fomo community, good at recruiting game character designers, bad at marketing

[grand silo]

sell the sizzle not the steak.

[rotund forum]

You sure are. If there are 130 biodata how can you have 131? 😝

[pseudo pulsar]

does everybody have a crystal gnome?

[wary skiff]

Hey 👋, does anyone have a doc like this to help me to know which boidata i already found ?
Is it possible to share it to me ?

[twin sequoia]

It seems part of the environment in Brightland Steppes

[pseudo pulsar]

@twin sequoia I'm certain that could be Santa Claus so bright land steps must be the North Pole

[rose thicket]

you can claim your rewards in fuel so why not when you burn? its intensional…

[ancient panther]

When are the rewards distro’d for the fuel we burned?

[radiant sky]

Unknown

[long ivy]

Looks great! You may want to consider building a bunch of paths around your scanner so your efficiency doesn’t go down as plants spawn

[tardy falcon]

I thought plants were supposed to help scanners

[radiant sky]

plants have no effect anymore on scanners

[long ivy]

Oh man!!! My bad y’all 😅 Have my plot setup for a while now and haven’t even tried to grow things next to it since that was updated. Will try it now!

[mortal spruce]

What you think, make it Sense to grow all Scanner and Material Lab to Level V?

[silent mountain]

Can someone tell me how much fuel I can get from a tier2 country?

[harsh dew]

What...

[twin sequoia]

There is no sense in scanners and labs below V 🙂

[blazing ferry]

Would appreciate everyone's thoughts here:
https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/1360093918015914035

[twin sequoia]

It depens on how good you built it and how often collect .... can go from 180 to 250 easily

[silent mountain]

180 - 250 a day?

[twin sequoia]

Bad if it is not daily :). But I mean IZ fuel (3 types), no unified Fuel, this depends on the burnt fuel, the share and the income.

[radiant sky]

depends on some factors

• How good is your layout
• How big is your path bonus
• How often you harvest

My personal numbers from the plots i just recently rebuild, i do 267 in 24h on my T2

[silent mountain]

that´s not too bad, thanks for the answer guys

[twin sequoia]

#🛒〕land-dex message

[harsh dew]

Is there a way to validate the number of land minted for each Tier ?

[twin sequoia]

Look in Illuvidex for each tier without "Buy now" flag

[harsh dew]

Yeah, I need more than one source to validate those numbers

• The total land numbers in green should be 20k.
• Seems like there is only 1009 Tier 1 listed.

I can't get reliable numbers from this source. Not for what i'm looking for.

[twin knot]

What are you looking for?

[harsh dew]

The # of each Tier land minted.
Tier 1: x, Tier 2: x, Tier 3: x, Tier 4: x, Tier 5: 2

[twin knot]

How about that: #📣〕announcements message

[harsh dew]

I know where to look now

[near wadi]

Uncheck the Buy Now button

[harsh dew]

Quick found! Nice 1

Still number are not match the image and illuvidex
see image: The table = illuvidex numbers

[harsh dew]

3 sources and 3 differents numbers only one ahve the total of 20k land minted adn it's immutable x. I got my source.

[twin sequoia]

One difference can be minted plots vs sold plots. No T5 was sold.

Perhaps some plot was sold after initial land sale

[near wadi]

Or a mega-city, everyone enters information differently... and of course they might be digging under us, I wouldn't dismiss this version right away)

[radiant sky]

There were if i remember right 25 plots (Reserved for marketing purposes) being minted later

[harsh dew]

The points is, I now have the database mouhahaha and those one who know me have a little idea of what I can do with data 👀 #💰〕token message

[twin sequoia]

datathings

[pseudo pulsar]

how do you use your converter setup? Thanks

Max -out fuel ?

On T-2

[torpid relic]

Sounds dubious. I'm excited

@twin sequoia You were too quick on that T1 earlier

[twin sequoia]

It was quite a mess, but it is already fixed and now improving it a bit

[torpid relic]

The land or the transaction? Lol, it sounded like as good of a T1 you could find

[twin sequoia]

As I´m already doing science on my T3, I will put it on sale again when I´m happy with the outcome

[torpid relic]

I wish on the marketplace you could search by Nexus level lol

[twin sequoia]

The land. Efficiency of everything was terrible and path bonus very low. No path bonus is 19% (not 20% because of the bug), efficiency for science building at maximum and production from converters too.

Was quite good because of lvl of scanners

[radiant sky]

Yea, it's just fuel... No science.
Actually pumped it to 271. Was able to get path-bonus from 18% up to 19%

[torpid relic]

Nice

For those that maxed out production, do you eventually branch out to the other games? Or am I the only one that only wants to play Zero? 😂

[twin sequoia]

I only play IZ too, I guess others too

[mortal smelt]

When you have only apple products you have no choice but to play iz

[tardy falcon]

i like to sleep around with the other games 😅

[torpid relic]

Naughty

[tardy falcon]

When Zero gets a facelift, BBL, soome implants, and some vivaciousness it might warrant spending most of the time with it... till then... there are prettier games in the ecosystem rn. But Zero isn't down and out... just not the hot thing atm. But if the other games bring in ze players then Zero will become the hero.

[viscid bolt]

Which of the other Illuvium games can you play on a Mac (besides Zero)?

[near wadi]

illuviDexcord (Illividex+discord))

[torpid relic]

I hope that day comes. I really enjoy building these plots and tinkering with them. Be cool if there was better integration into the ecosystem like they once sold us

[tardy falcon]

Beyond

But I bought a pc laptop last week so I could get back into ow and arena

[tardy falcon]

Me too

[viscid bolt]

Is beyond any fun?

[tardy falcon]

I dig it... and there's a good community over there

[twin oracle]

I burned my fuel, how much time to receive the new Fuel?

haha I'm anti scam brow, give up

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[mortal mural]

I want a racing track on my plots so I can bet against others like an overhead racing game lol

[tardy falcon]

That would be sick af

[torpid relic]

I'm on a roll 😂

[feral raft]

It’s not even a game, unless you consider wasting money on digital collectibles a game 😑

[simple dove]

Guy, I had to change phones the last weeks, just downloaded illuvium zero and my hyperion etc reset to 1000 when I had almost 6000 of each. Who do I contact?

[vague summit]

There's a refund form pinned somewhere.

[torpid relic]

Wait, is in game fuel tied to our devices? Not our passports?

[real dawn]

Can you explain to me how you go about the patch bonus? I read that you have 18% - I never knew it can go higher than 10 😅

Path bonus*

I also think I have way too many power Stations on lower level which take space away - does someone have a pic of a nice t2 land? I think I need some orientation 😁

[vivid cipher]

You don’t get fuel when you burn fuel. There is now not a way to get fuel from your land to your account. What you will get is your relative piece of the eth fuel sales revenue.

I’ll add a link to the relevant article.

https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[vivid cipher]

It’s either land/account based for the fuel inside ZERO (three fuels). And it’s account based and for outside ZERO (unified fuel). Device should be irrelevant.

[vivid cipher]

There was a significant change to the fuel economy. Read this. https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

and this talks about the refund that some people are eligible for. Without more info I’m not sure if you would be or not. #📣〕announcements message

[torpid relic]

Misunderstood what the above person was saying. Got it

[radiant sky]

Just connect all the Buildings with one path 🙂

[real dawn]

Also all the power plants? Then I need to rearrange a lot 😂

[radiant sky]

Yes, ser

Well you don't need to connect all for 18%
But roughly 171 structures... Since you get 1% by default and then every 10 Buildings an additional 1%

[real dawn]

Alright, thanks a lot!

[wraith garnet]

where can i collect the rewards from burning fuel last epoch?

[vivid cipher]

There will not be a need to collect it.

Your ETH is distributed automatically at the end of each cycle.

[wraith garnet]

oh nice !

Will be buying up more lands every chance i get and burning fuel. Zero is the one game in this ecosystem for me 🙂

[twin knot]

That's indeed a better deal than buying ILV currently

[real ice]

cycle 2 was ETH distributing ready? because i didn't get still

[twin sequoia]

None have been yet. It is expected to appear in "My Rewards", so you can decide if want it as ETH or unified Fuel.

[real ice]

i m talking about zero fuels burnt rewards

[twin sequoia]

Me too

#📣〕announcements message

[real ice]

oh ok i see so still waiting

[vivid cipher]

Working on the process for this still

[stiff skiff]

Has cycle 1 been paid?

[vague summit]

Not that I have seen.

[opal thistle]

Not yet, they are integrating fuel burning into the rewards page.....it will be available very soon

[celest wagon]

still no news on the fuel refund? @radiant sky

[vague summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-crickets-chirping-silence-anyone-there-hello-there-gif-18512183

[radiant sky]

Yes, unfortunately no News yet.
I guess it will be coming soon, since there was a timelimit Set for the refund

[lunar trench]

If you have multiple lands does the fuel and element totals connect?

[radiant sky]

No, except if you managed to build a megacity

?zero-megacity

[lethal wyvern]

What are megacities in Illuvium: Zero?

Megacities allow adjacent plots that make up a 2x2 or 3x3 square to be combined to form one larger plot.

The expected benefits of a mega-city are:

• the ability to share landmark bonuses between plots,
• the ability to share resources between plots with no transfer cost (in either time or resources)
• the ability to share support buildings like the Engineering Lab resulting in increased available space.

Megacities are not currently available in Illuvium: Zero and a specific date for their implementation has not been announced.

[lunar trench]

Would that mean 4 plots of land minimum to make a mega city?

[radiant sky]

Yes... 4 adjacent Lands in a square

[lunar trench]

Thank you appreciate the info

[lunar trench]

If a land doesn't have a certain fuel the only way to obtain would be using a resource converter in game?

[radiant sky]

Yes

Watch out you have that converter on a high efficiency, ideally on 150% so you don't lose fuel while converting

[lunar trench]

Perfect thanks. I've played a free land plot to level 233 but I think I will pickup some real land now. Some pretty cheap land out there right now.

[radiant sky]

Ya, definetly some cheap ones out there

[twin sequoia]

It seems that the bug of the path bonus is somehow being fix "manually". Some of my plots have 20% path bonus again, but others not yet.

After last patch, lots of plots with 20% path bonus were reduced to 19%. But not all

[signal maple]

does polarium have any effect now guys?

long time no touch

[stiff skiff]

How many BP are there for each illuvial?

[rotund reef]

How do I get my paths to give me 20%?? I currently top out at 5%, and they're running at full bore.

[mortal spruce]

Can anyone use the Blueprints?

[mortal spruce]

Connect as many buildings as possible to the paths

[rotund reef]

All my buildings are connected to paths in some way. Maybe I need more buildings??

I don't fuelmax or powermax. Maybe this is the reason

[mortal spruce]

I have 197 Structures connected and a pathbonus from 19%

[rotund reef]

Yeah, I think this is the reason. Good to know, thanks.

[mortal mural]

18 armor , 4 drone blueprints

22 total for each illuvial

[mortal mural]

Can you show a picture? Maybe you are bugged

It should all be connected to a single path

[rotund reef]

No, I just don't have extra buildings bc I want to maximize space for BP production

[mortal mural]

What you mean like for scanners?

[rotund reef]

Yeah, for example. You can put a maximum of 5 scanners on tier 2. I want them all running at 100%, and this one is close.

[unborn isle]

is there any way for us to get fuel for the OW anymore from land?

[pearl dust]

#💬〕general message
I'll add, you can however just use your income stream from fuel burning, to then just go and buy fuel from the store.
Bit clunkier, but the only way it's really do-able to get your 'land' fuel into overworld

[unborn isle]

you seem cool, im gonna shoot you a friend request ok?

[vague summit]

Except we can't actually do that.

[pearl dust]

No, I know. But I'm obviously referring to once the payments are up and running + autopaid

Just giving the guy an example of how he can simulate it closest to what he was asking for

[vague summit]

Yes, maybe later we can do that. 🙂

[unborn isle]

how can you buy fuel from the store with the income? isnt the income in ILV?

[shut wave]

Hey guys i haventbeen here for a minute! I heard the fuels have been unified. I have 2 plots a 4 and a 3 tier. So i used to get paid in eth and was able to sell that eth. So now when the fuelburns how do i get paid?

[twin sequoia]

You will be able to choose between ETH and unified Fuel

[shut wave]

Where do you kake this choice? Is it available to do this now?

[twin sequoia]

Not yet. Planned in Iluvidex/My Rewards

[shut wave]

Thanks bro 🙏

[analog basin]

I'm going to get a lot of flak for this comment but feel it is relevant in some way to the economy. Don't laugh but I also play Sunflowerlands, have done for years. Yes I agree it's an apples to pears comparison but this is my observation. I find Illuviuals and put them on the market, they don't sell. I find Blueprints on my lands and mint them, then put them on the market and they don't sell. I've staked thousands in ILV for the revenue redistribution but get virtually nothing. Bought several land plots for the fuel generation but make pennies. On the flip side I harvest sunflowers. turnips, corn and stone iron and wood, put them on the market and they sell virtually instantly, every single day! Does Sunflowerland have more players than Illuvium? not sure but it feels like a much smaller game overall. Disregarding the apples to pears game play comparison, one seems to have perfected the economics while the other is a big miss. Thoughts?

PS. My investment in Sunflowerlands is about 5% of what I invested in Illuvium, yet it makes more return then Illuvium as it currently stands. I think the point I am trying to make here is, if the tokenomics are out of whack then the actual product is pretty much irrelevant. On a side note I'm a big crypto gamer and have had several fails too, Mobland, RebelBots, Pegaxy, UFO Gaming etc. I may be stating the obvious but getting the tokenomics right is absolutely essential to having any chance of sustainability and survivability.

[stiff skiff]

Paying the leaderboards in my opinion is the first step to make people play. Then if the value of the prizes will increase many more players will play.. For me it is the right way.

[analog basin]

Hope you're right.

[hearty cradle]

i dnt think the tokenomics is the issue here but more gameplay issue

for us to earn revenue, someone else need to spend

for people to spend they need to either enjoy the game or profit from a flywheel

[analog basin]

Well that probably means it's even worse, if planting turnips is more interesting.

[hearty cradle]

farmville is one of the biggest mobile game there is

my aunts are playing it lol

[mortal mural]

I love farming games

[turbid sandal]

are landholders getting rewards yet from fuel burns or is that yet to be implemented?

[analog basin]

Still to be implemented.

[dark adder]

total plots are not 100,000 plots? why now 20,000?

[twin sequoia]

Only 20k were put on sale in the initial land sale. The rest are yet waiting to be minted ... at some point in the future

[vestal nymph]

What does burning fuel do?

[near wadi]

What's happening is that the lands and tokenomics of the game are missing. They are not there, period. There are many reasons. There are even more mistakes. The fact remains. We have a lot of Illuvium universe derivatives on our hands, and they keep piling up, the team seems to know that balance is needed, but they can't do anything about it yet. The last Town Hall tried to answer exactly these questions, if you haven't seen it, check it out. I agree, it's very unfair to have such graphics, such content and idea and not have an economy.

Especially when there are very simple games around, with free open markets, without restrictions. The lack of direct contacts with other players in such games is a failure. But we know for sure that they are working on multiplayer. We also need to open markets for free trade, free construction and the ability to build the internal tokenomics of each player as he pleases, this is his little world, his aspiration and the more opportunities he has, the more loyal he will be. But of course, first we need a balance.

[harsh dew]

20,000 was minted but the total will be 100,000

[tardy falcon]

Maybe

Or we can push to have land capped at 20k

[twin sequoia]

Won´t be more until demand requires it. They want waste them for the actual price of land.

[grand silo]

saw earlier comments saying land was a better than the token rn, correct me if im wrong but dont think theyve taken into account that ILV does not have another 4x token unlock like land does. Literally 20k plots with another 80k to come.

[harsh dew]

In the end, what really matter is the depend on the Fuel. The numbe of players is the **KEY **part which can **amplify **everything!
We need to increase this composant in order to make illuvium great.

[twin knot]

Yes I said that and indeed I counted only 20k plots. As said, it's unlikely the other 80k plots will be minted anytime soon so it's reasonable to just ignore it for now. Also, we are VERY far from having 20k plots at max fuel production...

[knotty blaze]

hello guys, after you mint a blueprint through the zero point trasducer, what happens? you can craft armors or weapons for arena?

[sacred moss]

With just only 20k land plots economy and the game itself is almost dying. Opening another 80k land will make illuvium burried 10feet under the ground. And forever forgotten. They cant even returned the land price to its original minted price.

[iron laurel]

Yes you can. You go into OW, go to the forge and use that item along with 3 Illuvials to craft it. In the case of drone skins you can automatically equip it. In the case of suit skins you will need to also craft (or purchase from the marketplace) the suit.

You will then equip the suit to your ranger, highlight the box and press x this will give you the option to choose your skin for that suit.

[knotty blaze]

Thanks bud, so in your opinion what’s the best way to optimize blueprints? Just sell them or mint and sell afterwards? I’m only an IZ player

[celest wagon]

Personally, I see no point in selling fuel or BP currently stocks as much as possible, you will sell in the future if the game becomes good.

[iron laurel]

So far there is not a lot of demand for them tbh. We will have to see what people want as more players come in.
We also don't know if they are changing suits and how they work. There seems to be a consensus that there are too many lines. What that will mean for all of our BPs I don't know. I think that is one reason for the lack of demand.

Personally I am making one of each Illuvial, not one of each suit. Illuvials are cheap right now to pick up on the marketplace, unless you are looking at T5 S3 .

[subtle frost]

I heard if you burn your fuel you produce you can get a percent of ETH

I burned some. do I need to do anything else?

is it even worth burning?

I am assuming there are still people still putting in some money to play from buying fuel

When did this happen and what does this mean?

[radiant sky]

Unknown

[subtle frost]

When was the date of this?

or it has not come yet?

[radiant sky]

No, gets automaticslly distributed as soon as those distributions are Set up

[subtle frost]

does this mean if you hold 1,000 total fuel in your illuviuam zero game?

[radiant sky]

Didn't happen yet

[subtle frost]

oh

is it talking about total in game fuel total to 1000 fuel

for each land?

[radiant sky]

Don't think that sentence is complete... Is it?

[subtle frost]

unified fuel

is the total of all the fuels combined inside the game I assume

across all lands you own or per land

[radiant sky]

The cosmetic?

[subtle frost]

to get the cosmetic

I hope illuvium start picking up again

[radiant sky]

You need to have 1k unified fuel AT least after the Migration.
It got migrated to the overworld Ranger, basically your passport account

[subtle frost]

as the revenue sharing of 5% started yet?

I burned some fuel

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[subtle frost]

just to try not sure if I just burned for nothing

okay.. so we shouldn't burn anything yet.

because nothing is happening yet. OMG

it is coming soon it says

[radiant sky]

Up to you, if you don't want Burn this cycle you don't have to

[subtle frost]

I mean do we still get the sharing this cycle? it started?

the link you gave me shows it is coming soon

[radiant sky]

Click

[subtle frost]

I already did it

[radiant sky]

And what does it say?

[subtle frost]

half of my fuel disappeared

LOL

that's all

it didn't say anything

it asked if I want to burn it

[radiant sky]

You don't See your share for this cycle?

[subtle frost]

and how much I want to burn

[radiant sky]

If not, create a Bug report

[subtle frost]

oh okay.. I see it

I just didn't look

interesting

I burned too much?

LOL

too little

how can we see how much is the game making

so we can see how much is shared so far

[radiant sky]

You can't See it

[subtle frost]

is there a point to play the F2P land anymore?

[radiant sky]

@harsh dew is posting his Spreadsheet here and there with some data but excluding steile payments

[subtle frost]

oh okay

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[subtle frost]

okay sounds good

so keep playing

I am just blindly playing without caring what is happening

collecting fuel when I can

I kinda like just clicking

[strange pivot]

What was distributed in total for the first cycles?

[vague summit]

Zero

[strange pivot]

When is that? In cycle 2, how much revenue was generated? Any public about that? Zero gets 5%?

[vague summit]

No idea... None has been distributed.

All I can see is my piddly contribution from a tier 2 plot.

[strange pivot]

Around 2.8m fuel burned in cycle 2, but that does not matter, the only thing is the %? So let’s say 10 ETH in revenue for a week, 0.5ETH in revenue for zero, and let’s say you have 0.1% of that, it’s 0.0005 ETH? (0.75 cent ish)

[vague summit]

Yeehaw! Yeah I think it's supposed to be five percent of revenue.

[strange pivot]

But is 10ETH ish close to the revenue number per week now? Anyone knows? Haven’t seen this posted

[vague summit]

I think we have to just take their word for it when they eventually decide to bother distributing it...

[subtle frost]

nice thanks

[mighty hamlet]

Can somebody briefly explain what burning fuel does in zero?

[vague summit]

Absolutely nothing

Except burns your fuel

[mighty hamlet]

Why is there a symbol for the new fuel type on it then?

[vague summit]

Your old fuel, if you had any, was deleted and replaced with new fuel with like 11% of what you had before.

But if you meet the deadline you can have it refunded?! Amazing! But only if you manually apply and fill out the form. Otherwise, tough titties.

[vivid cipher]

Take it easy man. Getting close to malicious inaccuracy through pointed omission.

[vague summit]

I don't know what that means

[vivid cipher]

Burning fuel is intended to get land owners a piece of the eth that paying players spend to buy the new fuel.

[vague summit]

But it doesn't

[vivid cipher]

Hasn’t yet. I know what you are getting at.

Because I know how it’s supposed to work. But someone that comes and asks what it does and you simply say “nothing” will not understand

[vague summit]

I think I was clear. Burning fuel does nothing.

It's just vanishes, and can longer be used to fuel my runs, as was the intent when I purchased it.

Telling me to "take it easy" when we have already taken it quite hard is probably not the best stance.

Burning this granted nothing!

[vivid cipher]

This article is where you can get information regarding the new fuel system and what burning fuel does. https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[vague summit]

Sure, maybe one day it will, but until it happens, that is just imaginary.

[jolly shuttle]

Can someone submit this feedback for a future update; when you select the eye icon and then select stage, you can select a building type so it’s not so crowded with numbers.

[vivid cipher]

Do you mean like an additional subsidiary filter?

[jolly shuttle]

Yes

[vivid cipher]

Best way to get that feedback captured would be to use the in game report/feedback tool. But I’ll add it to a discord thread too

[jolly shuttle]

Thanks i submitted in app as feedback as well.

[tardy falcon]

Someone put out the theory that weekly fuel burn rewards are so low that it isn't worth adding to the reward dashboard yet.

That would make sense because on the first day reward dashboard went live the burn rewards were there for about an hour or so. But then later were taken off.

[vague summit]

Yeah, that's what I was saying... Burning fuel does nothing. And was scolded for it. But it's true!

[tardy falcon]

I saw that for week one was about 4 bucks and week two was about 7 bucks

well it does something

but not a lot yet

[vague summit]

Oh, it landed in your wallet??

[tardy falcon]

I saw it in the reward dashboard on day one

[vague summit]

Then it did nothing!! 🙂

[tardy falcon]

but then they took them down

umm... well the mechanism is in place and it is calculating and they have the means and method to distribute... so it does something.

[vague summit]

But not yet

[tardy falcon]

technically speaking

[vague summit]

I appreciate a response. 🙂

[tardy falcon]

if a clock is covered... you cant see the time but it is functioning

[vague summit]

Thank you sir!

[tardy falcon]

yep... but if we are saying that the value is low then sure

[vague summit]

I was not mentioning a value. Merely conveying the fact that for now, burning fuel does absolutely nothing for the person burning it

And then i was told to take it easy. Like wtf? 🙂

[tardy falcon]

u mean in terms of getting something immediate?

[vague summit]

I mean in terms of anything noticeable happening at all!

[tardy falcon]

well... you can see the percentage of fuel you have burned in relation to all other players burning fuel

that is something

and that determines the payout

[vague summit]

But there is no payout

That's the point

Burning that fuel, did nothing.

Saying that one day it might, still doesn't mean it did nothing right now!

[tardy falcon]

that's a stretch... because something is technically happening

[vague summit]

Argh

[tardy falcon]

if you are saying that payment for week one and two havent been deistributed then yep that's true

[vague summit]

Yeah, nothing.... Burning fuel does nothing for me

If it's such a brutal task to distribute these pennies to the landowners that burnt fuel, how do you think it will be better if one day it is dimes?

[tardy falcon]

well... in the grand scheme of the universe, even if you did get the payou it might be so small that it could arguably be nothing.

ahh yah... see now I understand what you mean

[vague summit]

Yes," even if you did get the payout"

[tardy falcon]

but technically something is happening 😉

Illuvium is fairly notorious for late distributions of rewards or leaderboard payouts... best to get comfy

They always catch up tho

[vague summit]

Maybe on a server somewhere, but it doesn't mean anything until something happens... Which may never happen.

[tardy falcon]

sometimes takes a minute

[vague summit]

Or not at all

[tardy falcon]

nah they always caught up

been around to see plenty'

Now... I hope they dont fuck me on the bounty LB points tho

[vague summit]

Even a live discord raffle with rich and Kieran, giving away one of his tier two plots to whoever picked the winner. It was viper by the way... Not many of us voted for him, but it was too much data to do the raffle.

Want even thirty of us.

Bad ju jubes

[tardy falcon]

I get the sour vibes... I've lost several thousands of dollars on land... but I bought into the speculation like everyone else. It is what it is right now. There are some things working, other things not working... but things are definitely better than a couple months ago

They even managed to convert fuel at a ridiculous rate and not cause the shitstorm that could have been

btw that refund still needs to be paid out too

[vague summit]

It's just cuz everyone already left and doesn't know their fuel has been deleted yet... And by the time they notice, it's past the deadline.

[tardy falcon]

ofc they are taking a while for that... and the way it was implenmented was done to have as few players claim it as possible it seems

[vague summit]

Theft by deadline!

[tardy falcon]

i wouldn't call it theft

[vague summit]

Very clever, really. But still disgusting

[tardy falcon]

but def not clear

[vague summit]

You buy $1000 of fuel, walk away, come back to see $10 of fuel.

That's theft

[tardy falcon]

we will give a refund... but will convert everything first... not give out details of refund for a week... and then not actually tell u when we will pay it out... but dont use your fuel otherwise not eligible for fuel... oh but you can buy back fuel for the refund

very convoluted

[tardy falcon]

I can't argue that 89:1 was terrible and just added more fuel for haters to throw mud in the face on social media

like really... didn't see that coming?

but let's also be real... Illuvium is doing what they need to do to survive also

Mannnny other projects have already folded... I'm glad they are still here

[iron laurel]

When is the deadline BTW?

[tardy falcon]

for what?

[vague summit]

This was tangent town.... I was simply stating that burning your fuel currently has no effect. Maybe one day it will, but we have no idea.

[iron laurel]

When people can ask for a refund.

[tardy falcon]

they extended to 60 days

so prob like 40 days left?

[vague summit]

May 31st

[tardy falcon]

close enough 😄

[vague summit]

It's official

But read carefully, for maybe there is a reason to say no??

No, please don't delete my fuel? Or no, please delete my fuel! Punctuation is important.

And that says it must be UNUSED! But then later, you can use it and buy it back before refund day! Make up your mind?

[tardy falcon]

yep... convoluted i know

[vague summit]

It's ok... Someone will ask about the path bonus and this will just scroll away, under the rug with the rest of this crap. 🙂

Kudos for trying!

[tardy falcon]

Yep... life goes on

[real dawn]

there is supposed to be a ilv zero leaderboard coming. Does anyone have an idea of how we are "climbing" in this leaderboard? Are people with more or higher plots automatically going in a higher rank because they can farm more? How else right?

[torpid relic]

Question

So, as was established in many conversations the past couple weeks, burning fuel is useless in the present moment.

1} Does anyone have any idea what kind of ranges of fuel you can keep stored up? I have a couple tier 1s and a 3 that I'm building up but have no idea what I should expect to be able to hold onto until we see something meaningful in burning it.

2} Is there really anything that supports the ecosystem in burning the fuel? It kind of made sense when there was a market and you can buy the different kinds, so there was an economy there to create value, but what does burning fuel actually provide to the ILV ecosystem. Is there a finite number? Or is it "this is our way that will hopefully generate something for landowners in the future and the 3 fuel types burned don't actually matter?

[twin sequoia]

You can build as many storage buildings as you want. The tier bonus affects capacity the same as production. A T1 lvl 6 fuel storage can keep 7.570, so a T2 10.093 and so on

You are right on point 2. We wernt from a web3 style to a web 2/2.5. We just get a plain revenue so landholder get some income. I guess that if games succeed in the future there will be a market again, as there is no sense in keeping this system with the original idea.

[rose thicket]

execution and communication weakness on display once again, but this time it feels like a violation of theft to the user. knew this would happen and have zero confidence that they can manual reconcile fuel burn on a weekly basis as at least I am on the record for on the front end this time.

[sudden zinc]

GM! Rewrds for burning fuel already there? Thanks..

[twin knot]

No

[serene iris]

When did this go live?? I didn't see an announcement

[harsh dew]

#📣〕announcements message

[twin sequoia]

Not really, some hours ago it was not working for fuel cycles :). Now it seems that finally is.

More than double what I expected, without stripe payments. So quite happy actually with credit card holders 😄

What was that 20% bonus about? I don´t remember reading about it

[harsh dew]

Stripe pmt was the bigger revenue from the Fuel demand but it's missing part in my report... I asked but permission has been refused.

[twin sequoia]

I knew, that was the great unknown for me. Now that I cannot do strategy with fuel market, I´ll try with cycles revenue ... for a fistful of dollars 😂

[harsh dew]

I think there a way to do it by analysing the batch of illuvial minted by wallet if they have:
T0 = Charged run = $0.99
if no T0 = Hyper run = $11.99

I will develop something around it 🧠

[torpid relic]

Really hoped I was missing something here. Oh well. Still enjoy the game. Hopefully they can rework it better in the future

[twin sequoia]

Yes, it was a way to save some of "our hopes" in the game. I think it was right. I didn´t like the initial conversion ratio but the proposal to refund the fuel purchases/sent below 25% of old max price seems good to me (it always can be better though), so I´m quite happy with the outcome.

I claimed one cycle in ETH and the other in Fuel and they were done in less than 15 seconds 👌

[grand silo]

anyone know what levels people are hitting?

[twin sequoia]

to the moon! 🚀

[torpid relic]

Yeah, it's just a major drop down from the ilv ecosystem almost needing land owners to now it's almost nothing more than a little side project.

If we can't see the original vision come to life, what would be cool is if there were factions/alliances/guilds or something where people can create teams based off the games they play. So land owners could partner up with OW players to provide them fuel, OW players could find Illuvials and give/ sell them to arena players to help them create strong teams, and arena players provided a defense for the land?

Idk something to create mini ecosystems

[hazy jewel]

8 eth in cycle 2 is the 5%?

Or the share is 0.4 eth?

[twin knot]

That feature is gold honestly

[twin sequoia]

I wouldn´t say so much 😄 but it is welcome

[tulip fox]

I claimed 1$ for burning all my Fuel I acumulated since the Illuvium Zero mainnet. Such a joke...

Well actually it was only 60 cents

bye bye Illuvium 😄

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

Anyone interested in my fully developed land?

[twin sequoia]

Tier, photos and price?

[tulip fox]

Tier 1 price 0.035 ETH. Everything important max level. Just Powerplants are not maxed.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-dancing-dance-moves-payday-gif-17778765

[tulip fox]

Let me know if anyone wants this...

[twin sequoia]

Not me, thanks. You have a channel for it 832955966031003758

[tulip fox]

where

[twin sequoia]

I don´t know why i cannot copy the link

that´s it

umm with # it was faster 🙂

[tardy falcon]

See… just takes some time

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-burton-big-trouble-little-gif-21741180

[vague summit]

Huzzah! Wonder if stirring the discord pot helped move the process along? 🙂

Got my fourty cents, woo!

[tardy falcon]

Doubtful

[vivid cipher]

5% of almost nothing is even less than that

[solid cove]

if you look at the profit from burning fuel, then the payback period for T4 is about 89 years))

[tulip fox]

And people still defending only 5% share here...

Illuvium economic are totall disaster and no one wanna change that. That is why i'm leaving.

[vague summit]

I got my land to fuel my own runs... Having that yanked out from under us feels bad.

[tulip fox]

I wonder what DAO will do with their 95% when no one play this game...

It will just crush to zero without players

[tardy falcon]

I don’t know if anyone has meaningfully put forward a proposal to change the ratio. But that’s always an option to try.

Takes effort and organization though

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dollar-bills-cat-making-it-rain-money-cat-gif-13775766

[inland shore]

lol the fuel "rewards" are a joke

We are the laughing stock of this project

[vivid cipher]

Claiming as fuel gives 20% bonus. I would have $0.08 value. But now I have $0.10 value. Also might avoid the taxable income/swap hassle.

[iron laurel]

Until we have more players we won't see any returns. Not really a surprise. Can't get blood from a stone.

[vivid cipher]

Someone had over 1% of the burn pool. Would that be more than $10 in that week?

[harsh dew]

We should have a litle spike on the Fuel demand near the end of week 2 rewards as week 1 did on April 9.

[iron laurel]

I had .178 and it's $1.20. So $10.00 would be 1.48%

Unless my math is wrong which it could very well be.

[rotund forum]

imagine that, you get paid 0,10$ and you worry about tax 🤪

[hazy jewel]

sHARING NUMBERS

[analog basin]

Well just worked it out what I made over Cycle 1 & 2. The ROI on my T2 and T3 that I bought at auction will take 286 years.

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-med-natalie-manning-i-cant-even-imagine-i-could-never-imagine-one-chicago-gif-11704236776861803017

[rotund forum]

you paid with eth? I paid with sILV so that will be the difference in part. It will take me 145 years at this point.

[analog basin]

Yes ETH

[celest wagon]

[analog basin]

I bought $17k of ILV too in 2021 in addition to my land, so no bright side for me lol. But they weren't $1800 when I bought them more like $130

[rotund forum]

I had less % in cycle 2 yet more eth

[celest wagon]

we have to wait for the MMO to hope to earn money

[harsh dew]

As the #📣〕announcements message say, it's naming this wallet Fuel Rewards wallet but is it really only including Fuel rewards ?__ (image 1)__

The balance is showing: (image2)
• ILV: 2,559.162570358 for a value of $28,637.03
• ETH: 0.650103649 for a value of $1,048.29 (this part is only for Stripe payment week1-2 if my understanding is correct and i'm pretty sure it's not correct)

I feel more like this is a wallet related with the rewards system __(image3) __

[rotund forum]

Happy with the fact that they came up with this solution. It is not ideal but the free economy at least for now just didn´t work.

[long current]

Yeah 5% only to landholders is peanuts. Especially when land holders are a burden to the team now since they can just print fuel out of thin air on their own

[vestal raft]

At least there are enough fuel for a couple of S1 runs 🙂

Now we can only hope revenue will come when the new stuff gets developed for Gauntlet and MMO Light .
It's also nice to see the new Claim page, and automation. (Like the option to claim in fuel with a bonus).

[tardy falcon]

All the whales either migrated to other oceans or they’re no longer whales. And illuvium has always been a whale game.

I think one thing that could help is if illuvium would put some focus on communication. Like publish an actual manual for the games… better tutorials. Make the experience easy to understand and onboard.

[tranquil notch]

Illuvium is not profitable at all and even then they give you 5% of minus. The game needs to be successful, that's all.

[tardy falcon]

I think there are a couple paths for Illuvium success... one is easy and the other is grindy
Easy - There is significant market movement and the token price skyrockets. Thereby creating some wealth, excitement and buzz. People get curious and see the ILV rewards are all around the games and people flock in.

Hard - Market conditions unchanged and they keep building mmo... they learn from past mistakes and continue growing the ecosystem in a way that makes the games fun and slowly people come in via grassroots efforts.

[rose thicket]

Concur with the caveat that this is done prior to the EVM / IMX ecosystem fading into irrelevance. Institutional fund outflows for ETH have been absolutely scary over the last few weeks, and BASE is sucking in all of the EVM fees.

[tranquil notch]

Before big rewards it should be enjoyable without giving people money to play . Arena will be ready maybe June/ July, mmo light 2026/2027 ?

[open stratus]

Lol 5% so sick

[tardy falcon]

Yah I wanna see polish in all UI from open screen to end.... smooth transitions... no crashes

[tardy falcon]

always been 5%

[open stratus]

Yeah always been shit you're right. So much hype and promise

[tardy falcon]

there were high expectations before. now there is reality.

[open stratus]

I am just disappointed

This could've been a banger

Yeah ok if monthly revenue increases... but what dream are you still in

The harsh reality is the hype is gone. Gonna be hard to get it back, marketing or not

[tardy falcon]

yep... that's why there's a potential easy path and hard path

It is possible for the token to rip

that would bring hype

but otherwise yah... it's a long road to recovery

[long current]

no amount of game enjoyability justifies spending 1k or more on buying land based on false promises. Also no reason to continue enjoying Zero once you've maxed out everything. It's a work in progress sure, Illuvium is not profitable and trying to survive, I hope it does, I'll continue to support it. But let's be real, they need to find a better economic model for Zero, because currently it is only just a burden to the team and to the players who expected way more (not just in terms of profit).

[tardy falcon]

you saw mavia recently rip 600%

so tis possible

[open stratus]

600% wouldn't even begin to solve our problems

So many people looking to save face at this point

[tardy falcon]

no that's true... but a meaningful reversal of price action is a good step

[open stratus]

Still thinking about buying, but idk man. Hole is pretty deep atm

[tardy falcon]

That's a good take and I agree with it a lot

[open stratus]

I mean there's no game... there's no loop, no progression

[tardy falcon]

Also the continued addition to the supply across the board for assets without significant burn doesnt help either

[open stratus]

Lol yeah mega bullish scenario 🤣🤣

[tardy falcon]

Oh yah i know what videos u talkin about XD

[tranquil notch]

Yeah it sucks, but its a speculative investment, you can dca now or wait if its a return candidate, dca later or just let i go. I think the team didn't had enough experience, they were too ambitious and had other/faster goals.

[tardy falcon]

well... attempting to make 3 games plus a side game and expect them all to function together well and be fun... pretty lofty goals

prob shoulda focussed on one at a time

[open stratus]

It's got too good a framework to just let it die.
But why oh god why did we keep saying overworld is a "glorified pack opening"

[tranquil notch]

yes and you invested, even you knew it.

[tardy falcon]

cuz that's what it is

[open stratus]

But that's where the majority of the content should be. To build for arena

All the shit they built - you need to spend most of your time in that world

[tardy falcon]

my soul hurts when I play OW it's so grindy

[open stratus]

TFT being the main focus was not the way to achieve mainstream

[tardy falcon]

well.... I do think arena has come a long way

I enjoy playing now

I still suck but at least there is a solid game there

[sacred moss]

Also if the rare illuvials you capture goes up valueble as it level up. And make illuvial hunting challeging not easy as 123 which flooded the market and cause the value close to nothing and decreasing every week or month.

[tardy falcon]

We are in crypto

there is no purely endearing in crypto... there's always the lurking rug or skam to keep things from being wholesome

In other words... there is a baked in cap to growth because of the generally understood aspects of crypto

Which I'm sure is why they are shifting to 'crypto lite' model

[sacred moss]

If they can bring a multiplayers in OW with capable pvp or boss hunting or coop maybe a good gamechanger in future.

[real ice]

what's happened i have my fuel burnt total 9000 and now i burned another 10000 so now showing only 10000 so those 9000 gone
in total supposed to be 19k

[vivid cipher]

Was that part of the last week?