🎮〕illuvium-zero

[grand silo]

lets hope this is the week of the patch

[radiant sky]

yea, that's about the same as my numbers 🙂

[barren barn]

I just wanted to verify that there is 130 total bio data for skins? Anyone? Thank you

[radiant sky]

Yes

[barren barn]

Excellent. One land plot done a few to go

[deep brook]

Yo can I get clarification on what lands produce currently?

[radiant sky]

Fuel and blueprints

[deep brook]

And the fuel is same as overworld? Crosses over or separate?

[radiant sky]

The whole economy is just getting an overhaul right now.
Read Details here:
https://illuvium.io/news/unified-fuel-automated-drone-run-overworld-tweaks-and-more

[deep brook]

Fasho thanks!

[sage bough]

That is a big update.

[worthy rover]

What token do landholders who burn fuel receive, eth?

[tall crypt]

THis is old new.

[lyric hamlet]

Is fuel back up?

[tardy falcon]

no

[vagrant heron]

"Landholders who transferred fuel from their plots to the market below the 0.25 rail will also be eligible for a refund to ensure fairness across the board."

What exactly does the whole rail thing mean? I usually just checked on how much bonus there was for each fuel. Is there any simple equation to know how much bonus that would correlate to?

[radiant sky]

Would have been a 4x bonus

[vagrant heron]

So anything sold below the +4 bonus is refunded?

[radiant sky]

No, anything you transferred to OW and not used yet + everything above 1k storage you hold currently in Zero.

[vagrant heron]

Hmm, lets see how it'll all play out then. I had been buying fuel every now and then when the bonus was good

But didnt really use much in OW

[radiant sky]

All Fuel you bought with more than that 4x bonus gets refunded

[vagrant heron]

That should almost be all in my case 😄

[radiant sky]

I guess we all sit in the same boat 😄

[hearty cradle]

boat loaded with eth

[dusk siren]

Maybe you can push for an exclusive nft for people that get refunded. Something similar to 'early idiot' or something meme. Seems like we still have too many people working on art so why not?

[radiant sky]

Everyone looking for Exit liquidity for sure is happy 🙂

[timber sapphire]

What about generated from plots?

[lapis dome]

About the latest proposal“Refund for Unused Fuel Purchased Below Minimum Rail”，anyone knows about processing these refunds, how long will it take？We should prioritize getting the game economy running ASAP—token holders need to see hope

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[timber sapphire]

Oh I'm blind

Is there gonna be a snapshot or how will they check it

[open stratus]

Wow I transferred a lot and didn't use

Are we really doing a beyond wave 4

Isn't there enough to work on already

[spice vector]

Yes: https://illuvium.io/news/announcing-illuvium-beyond-wave-four

[open stratus]

Where was the refund post ? Can't seem to find it

[fair temple]

#1353753504283492454

[hearty cradle]

tba

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/diamond-hands-gif-24678515

[radiant sky]

I don't know the tech behind it

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/refund-you-get-a-refund-oprah-oprah-winfrey-gif-12745755

[open stratus]

Yeah what like 5 bucks

Sick refund

T4 land is only down what 96%

[twin sequoia]

Today the activity tab in my account is empty, both the Orders and the Mints. I tried with a pair of browsers and cleaning cache. The memamask wallet is connected also, just in case it was needed now

Does it happen to you also? I will wait some time prior to open a support ticket

[radiant sky]

you sure you check for the right wallet?

can swap wallets to check activity in the top left corner

mmh mine is empty aswell... but honestly haven't checked it for ages

[worthy rover]

In what token do landholders burning fuel receive the revenue in?

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-pour-bottle-pouring-rich-gif-5359104

[twin sequoia]

yes of course. Neither the transfer between wallets.

Now not even work on the name xD

[grand silo]

terrible

[manic ginkgo]

https://x.com/i/grok/share/ZqO3Dl8M98wAwzjqFZgA8y2dv

X

X

Proposal to fix economy

[tardy falcon]

It's a bit late for that now

[rapid tartan]

Yeah, glad the AI's first recommendation is what everyone has has been saying, and why everyone has thus left the IP, 1:19 fuel printing ratio. I also like the idea of more fuel sinks, ravenquest reported players are spending 90% of all the silver generated in their economy, silver being an important primary resource used to enhance your characters progress. Silver can also be used to exchange for their native token "quest token" (which you can extract from the game into your wallet), but in reality players feel the need to use the silver they generate, and are even buying more of it with real money transactions. The whole economy over there is absolutely genius, and guess what, land owners are a huge priority, and are directly responsible for driving the economy with the goods they produce and sell on the in game market.

I also like the idea of scaling revenue sharing based on land tier, unfortunately this idea has been shot down when I proposed it years ago.

5% t1, 10% t2, 15% t3, 20% t4...simple enough, but there's no way they'd ever allow that...theyd literally rather watch land burn then give their biggest and earliest supporters a more meaningful role in the ecosystem.

[blissful storm]

what’s the current revenue? Let’s forget land was sold for crazy amounts. Does it make sense to buy at these prices?

[twin sequoia]

It seems so, let´s wait for the blog. The may had the announcement written for weeks and didn´t updated it 😂

ATM the game is working during the update, so only DEX and backend seems affected. Will there be a client update?

[copper inlet]

yes, client update is coming, please close your game for now to avoid any issues

[twin sequoia]

umm, I already have lvl 592 in one plot

but 201 in others

and fuel 1k

[hazy jewel]

Sorry, what's unified fuel ?

[twin sequoia]

good set of fixes

[twin sequoia]

https://illuvium.io/news/unified-fuel-automated-drone-run-overworld-tweaks-and-more

[twin sequoia]

I don´t think (and hope) that is representative of what will be in the near future once OW is open again and with ADR

[past kindle]

passport login error on Zero

fuck off scammer

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[copper inlet]

what device? windows/iOS/Android?

sure you updated the game?

[oblique iris]

No update for me 😅

[shut wave]

Guys is there any possible way i could loose thousands of fuel from 2 plots stage 3 and 4?

[copper inlet]

if its android/iOS, it may take a little bit depending of the region you are in, I am wating for Android as well in Playstore

[shut wave]

I just logged in after a few days and most of my fuel is gone! I can log in and everything but the fuel has jist disappeared 😕

[copper inlet]

everything above 1.000 was migrated to your Passport account and will be converted to Unified Fuel

[shut wave]

Oh ffks sake thank god. If i got scammed one more time i swear to got 😂

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[heavy wolf]

wen we see unified fuel in account? later today?

[twin sequoia]

Yes, I needed to look for updates in play store but it got automatically updated on epic

[copper inlet]

not sure, but the update will follow asap

[twin sequoia]

but some plots still at lvl 201

[vocal pasture]

do something in them and they auto lvl...happened to me

[silver plover]

So do we need 80k of zero fuel just for one stage 3 run? Please tell me my math is off

[twin sequoia]

Illuvidex is still down for me

[copper inlet]

its not deployed yet

[wary skiff]

What is "burn fuel feature", there is nothing about it on patchnote ?

[copper inlet]

blog is coming with details

basically you burn the fuels and get a share of revdis based on how much you burned compared to other ppl in a given cycle (Cycle = 1 week)

[vocal pasture]

That doesnt seem much eco-friendly :p

[copper inlet]

we applied high-tech filters in our burners 🫡

this fuel is automatically migrated to Unified Fuel

no, but Unified Fuel will be usable for other purchases, Automated Drone Runs, D1SKs etc

its our new "in-game currency" for all things Illuvium

[vocal pasture]

even for buying illuvials?

[copper inlet]

no secondary market stays as it was

[spiral ice]

do we get credit tokens for the levels we achieved passed 201 or does leveling not give credits anymore?

[copper inlet]

no

lvl above 201 is for bragging rights

[twin sequoia]

You have been disconnected too much time xD. No sell option now. You will get the (very very low) revdiv for this first cycle

[small sundial]

We can no longer view the fuel we have on the profile, at the top right of the illuvium site, is this normal?

[wary skiff]

Hey, Does anyone have a doc like this that they can share with me ?

[blissful storm]

If that’s the case land is still way overpriced 😦 so $450 (5%) have to be splitter between all land? 👀

[spiral ice]

another question. do i need more than 1000 fuel to burn. trying to figure out why my cycle isnt active

[heavy wolf]

revdis will be in ETH, illuviumbucks are only for fuel not sold, which you had plenty of time to do

[small sundial]

That's not what he said xD

[vocal pasture]

Budget neutral ILV reserve stockpile!

[twin sequoia]

any cycle is active yet

[copper inlet]

this is one time migration, everything from that point is burnable and you will get your share in ETH

[wary skiff]

That's a lot of level 😅

[copper inlet]

not yet

[patent zealot]

Not necessarily. There's no minimum requirement to burn fuel.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[wary skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-epps-salute-gif-18362245693663321535

[vocal pasture]

I think the European Union is planning to do that aswell with our bank accounts....to buy "all things military" :P.

[heavy wolf]

maybe the EUCBDC will be backed by ILV?

[vocal pasture]

Or "unified fuel" 😛

[heavy wolf]

Frau Von De Leyen has some big plans

[vocal pasture]

Well...we must joke with these things anyway...no point in crying :p

[twin sequoia]

@copper inlet it couldn´t be so easy. Every time I try to remove a path I get a network error and plot is reloaded. I tried in 3 plots, some of them still stuck on lvl 201. If I add a new path I can remove these new paths, but not the "old" ones.

Do I report it ingame?

[pine kestrel]

I like that after the update, the level in Zero is displayed correctly.
It was always a bit sad to look at level 201.
Nice patch.

[twin sequoia]

I don´t mind to stay in 201

[copper inlet]

hmm, its happening for me as well, no need for report, will inform the team right now

[twin sequoia]

Ok, and I had almost all my plots at 20% bonus and now they are at 19%. It may be related.

[radiant sky]

i can see that... 20% is naturrally too big of a speed boast, wouldn't make sense any hamster being able to achieve that.
Need to have a faster totem than hamster for 20% i guess

[copper inlet]

ok, this is not happening for me, could you guys create bug reports from in-game reporter 🙏 @south mural@twin sequoia

[twin sequoia]

I´ve never been able to select a blueprint. I´m misunderstunding it? I can only select between research drone or armour skin. But never a blueprint

[mossy sorrel]

still can't download ipad version of zero

[copper inlet]

some regions may still not be distributed to by apple/google

[last tiger]

I'm not getting what happened in this patch everything seems the same and I have less fuel can someone explain what happened?

[mossy sorrel]

understood

[copper inlet]

you can catch up from that post and few after that #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[last tiger]

I didn't update

[twin sequoia]

same with this. What does it means? Should it be shown in this window

ummm, here it does

so partially fullfiled 😂

ummm, both plots at 19%, so some decimal places taken into account

same for me

[last tiger]

I don't have any fuel in my wallet and what is the use of that for now if I had? I see we don't have the option to send fuel to our accounts, and now we have the option of burning what's that for?

[junior abyss]

is the shop just never going to come to the PC version?

[mortal mural]

when can we start burning fuel?

ok so we wait some more

[copper inlet]

should not be long from now, team just checking everything before starting new/first cycle

[drifting shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-how-soon-when-will-then-be-now-smooth-hd-gif-25380873

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/thx-thank-you-thanks-gif-13519278

[pure fable]

what is the price of fuel after the update?

[copper inlet]

Unified Fuel is priced 0.01 $ per one unit

but in IZ there is no "price" for fuel

when you burn your Fuel, you get your share based on the value you burned compared to other users in a given cycle

[spiral ice]

any idea on when cycles begin/refresh?

[mortal mural]

why are my plots at 19% path efficiency now? did something about pathing changed?

[twin sequoia]

Reported this issue. Path reduction is applied to extraction, conversion an science but not to building upgrades.

[pure fable]

thanks, but where can I see how much fuel got burned in a cycle so far?
how long is each cycle?

[copper inlet]

cycle = 1 week

[twin sequoia]

It is reported. Probably a new bug, as nothing was said in patch notes

[copper inlet]

you will see all history of your burns in the game client itself, we just have to wait for the first cycle to begin

[pure fable]

so I will get my money for the fuel I burn in IZ after the cycle ends?

in ETH?

[mortal mural]

will we be able to see the total burned? i mean total across all zero players so i can know how much am i burning in % from total,.

[pure fable]

or USD?

[copper inlet]

first cycle will have 1 week delay in revdis, so the team can tripple check everything

[pure fable]

thank you very much team

[worthy rover]

Will it be in eth or usd?

[copper inlet]

ETH i believe

[worthy rover]

Sweet. Thanks

[graceful sleet]

So after the update there still are 3 fuel types or just one ?

[copper inlet]

Illuvium: Zero - Crypton, Hyperion, Solon
Everywhere else: Unified Fuel

[graceful sleet]

But for the burning it does not matter which I burn ?

[copper inlet]

correct

[graceful sleet]

Gotcha. Thanks

[nova epoch]

Did the patch not deploy for IOS? I don’t see an update?

[copper inlet]

it may take some time depending on the region you are in

[iron laurel]

Happy to see that we are getting credits on our plots that are over level 201.

[copper inlet]

we do not tho

All levels above 201 do not give any Credits

[tardy falcon]

in theory

[mortal mural]

did someone got credits? i think my credits stayed the same.

[wary skiff]

Yes

But i climb 1400 level to get 500 credit 😅

[iron laurel]

Why do I suddenly have so many credits then if it wasn't because I got them when my level 201 city went up to level 1400 and something?
I had over 800 more credits suddenly. I say had because I already spent 400 to buy another builder.

[mortal mural]

why do you have so much level? lol my highest is 641 and i played since zero is playable.

[iron laurel]

Mega City. They are easier.

[mortal mural]

ahhh

[tardy falcon]

yep

[wary skiff]

Same here

[tardy falcon]

If they gonna take all the fuel and 89:1 it then the credits are at least a little offset

[iron laurel]

I was excited I figured I would actually start playing my T1 plots if I could get more builders for them.

[tardy falcon]

Uh oh... there's a path bug

[cold owl]

Is level capped at 1796 now? My MC is at 1796 and won't go any higher

[tardy falcon]

That's prob going to need a fix asap... not being able to delete paths. Keep getting network error after trying.

[copper inlet]

you also play on MC?

[copper inlet]

its being worked on

[tardy falcon]

One of my plots is not a MC and it got extra credits also

[copper inlet]

@wary skiff could you give me your MC ID 🙏

[wary skiff]

Why ?

[copper inlet]

so the team can check what happened, but nvm, not needed

[wary skiff]

Because we're not suppose to got credits ?

(Sorry, didn't follow the conversation)

So the team will take them back ?

[tardy falcon]

I don't think they can

[cold owl]

My MC's level is now going up past 1796, but it shows XP as 5275688 / 476690 (the 476990 seems maxed and doesn't increase) and I don't get any credits when I gain levels

[tardy falcon]

Or even would if they could

[iron laurel]

Did you have more credits when you first signed on though like Nhaxx and I did?

[cold owl]

Yes I have more credits when I logged in but now they aren't increasing as level goes up

I have gained 3 or 4 levels just from my regular activities in my MC (that I haven't been able to access for weeks) since I logged in

[iron laurel]

I am happy for you that you can finally access it!

[copper inlet]

ok, Its not an issue, you guys just got remaining credits from individual plots in MC for reaching 201 lvl on them, so its like delayd payment

[winter python]

I have a lot of fuel missing I’m confused anyone can explain?

[iron laurel]

I will spend the rest of them then.

[cold owl]

was this a response to me? What's not an issue? should we be receiving credits when levels go up past 201? What about my mention of the XP cap bug (or at least UI bug)?

[copper inlet]

everything above 1.000 was moved to your Passport account and will be exchanged to Unified Fuel, blog explaining everythigng is incoming

[copper inlet]

no, no Credits above 201 per plot

[cold owl]

When will illuvium.io profile be back online? I didn't see a mention of that maintenance in announcements

[copper inlet]

not sure yet

[lyric lodge]

Mate it's not work on iOS.....imx won't accept correct code after updating, tried like 5 times to log in with different codes but nothing ...see you aware of this ?

[copper inlet]

hmm, IMX not accepting codes is some issue with their system looks like, can you log in on their website?

[lyric lodge]

From my iPad ?

[copper inlet]

shoul be ok from whatever device, but you can try from the one you trying to connect in IZ

just use the same way to log in

[lyric lodge]

Ok I logged I'm to 8mx now I can log into zero but there is no changes....looks the same...thought was going to one fuel type ?

[copper inlet]

not in IZ

everywhere alse it will be Unified Fuel

[lyric lodge]

Right I see

[cosmic spade]

i had more than 20k from each fuel, now i have 5k + 8k + 15k

could a mode explain this to me?

[copper inlet]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[cosmic spade]

thanks but than why 5k 8k and 15kv?

[copper inlet]

5k, you mean in your all lands, or on single land?

can you send me pic and plot ID 🙏

[cosmic spade]

in my mega city i had in each fuel more than 20k

[cosmic spade]

do you have a ticket system here in discord or per pm?

[copper inlet]

you can dm me (I will NOT dm first, if you get a message from me, its a scam )

[tardy falcon]

Any eta on deleting paths? Can't really build /:

[copper inlet]

not yet, already fixed in internal version

[whole spear]

gm

[twin sequoia]

slowly other plots getting the new lvl

only 2/12 stuck at 201

[copper inlet]

make some moves on those 201 (upgrade something etc), and they should get unlocked if you should have 201+ lvl on them

---

Very good blog to read, a lot of details about migration to Unified Fuel, Burning mechanic etc
https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[true horizon]

Can someone explain what it means to burn fuel in zero? Is that a new function, does that mean fuel harvested, or spent?

[copper inlet]

you read the blog above?

[leaden egret]

Is it normal that I don t have any goals on my megacity from beginning of it ?…

[true horizon]

Yeah

[copper inlet]

ask away for details and what is not clear

[errant pollen]

Same doubt. I have read the blog and have the same question

[copper inlet]

it will be just a button you click and choosing how much you want to burn

[true horizon]

Perfect that was the missing piece

[copper inlet]

if you ever sent fuel from IZ to OW, this is exactly the same, they just switched functionality of the button 🙂

[small sundial]

Im so exited by the new fuel system ! 🇭 🇾 🇵 🇪

[hearty cradle]

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-chris-meloni-burn-elliot-stabler-undercover-gif-13509196051557363528

burn all fueeeel

[spring void]

So with the new fuel burn and fuel revenue for landowner changes it's not technically "fair" for all landowners we now need to pay attention to the fuel sales over the "period" to strategically burn fuel on high revenue periods to get our share of 5% of a the higher revenue period. Seems too complicated than to just have a queue of fuel to be sold at .01 and pay the landowners .005 for each fuel of theirs that gets sold when it reaches their fuel sell/burn order. That's truly fair 5% imo.

[twin sequoia]

It is better than before, where you had to place you sell order and wait for someone to buy it, and probably cancel and place again because other landholder had undercut

There is no need to track for periods. Just accumulate all that you can and burn it all together. If you don´t have a big stake of plots (like maybe 200 T4) won´t change much

[tardy falcon]

You never know…
Maybe better to just burn weekly cuz others may or may not time burns

[twin sequoia]

Well out of those only a tiny part are active, so may be 20 T4 are significant for now

all the time examples with tiny amounts and suddenly

😂 hope is never lost

@copper inlet I´m not sure about this sentences

% relative is % relative . If you burn 60% you burn more than average for sure, but you get 60% revenue, no a larger cut, right?

[copper inlet]

nah, its just wording, you get % from the pie, no bonuses for "burning more than average"

[twin sequoia]

Tell them to rewrite it, may raise quistions to more people

Any ETA for DEX/Profile availability?

[copper inlet]

@whole spear maybe something to consider 👀

[whole spear]

what

[copper inlet]

not yet

[twin sequoia]

where

[mortal mural]

when

[hearty cradle]

who

[radiant sky]

why?

[hearty cradle]

how

[radiant sky]

all good questions...

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/derek-zoolander-read-school-signage-zoolander-gif-17902099

the people

[twin sequoia]

I´m starting to like the idea of a leaderboard xD

[patent zealot]

The network error bug while deleting paths should be fixed. Just deployed a backend fix.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, I was to post it, it is solved in at least 1 of my plots

[mortal mural]

did we have an estimate price on drone runs?

[copper inlet]

yes, 99 and 1199 Unified fuel

which translate to 0.99$ and 11,99$

[twin sequoia]

It is not possible to do it manually as before, right?

[tardy falcon]

yep working now ty

[twin sequoia]

OW still need to be installed and take 30GB for the ADR? or can it be done in web?

[whole spear]

ADR is on Web

[mortal mural]

nice cause my mac is 5 years old lol.

[twin sequoia]

Page needs to be updated 🙂

[inner ice]

Wait why did my fuel get cut in 2?

[copper inlet]

---

Very good blog to read, a lot of details about migration to Unified Fuel, Burning mechanic etc
https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[whole spear]

Already redesigned just not live yet

[real ice]

what benefits gives level up land ?

[cosmic spade]

is the illuvidex down?

[iron laurel]

Yes, it is down while they do the whole fuel overhaul. No time has been given for when it will be back up. Hopefully soon.

[cosmic spade]

thanks

[pseudo elm]

So just for my clarification, burning fuel means using it for activities on my land plots (like searching for blueprints)?

[iron laurel]

On your plot if you click on your fuel on the top right you will see that there is now a burn fuel button. It's where it used to have send fuel to your plot. That is what burning fuel is, clicking that button.

[open stratus]

Wonder if it's safe to do so already 🤣

[copper inlet]

you can click it no worries

you will just get a info that there is no Cycle active

[open stratus]

Ah OK lol thanks

[iron laurel]

First thing I did was click it.

[vague summit]

So, I'm not seeing this new fuel in my passport balance. Where do I find it?

[tardy falcon]

illuvidex still down I think

[vague summit]

Ah, gotcha... Thanks!

[brave wasp]

Anyone else having trouble accessing their lands in Zero after the update on PC?
Nvm, logging out and back in a few times worked.

[agile sigil]

Cant see any burn fuel buttom

[copper inlet]

are you on free plot?

[agile sigil]

nope

[copper inlet]

then click here:

[patent zealot]

Are you using v1.5.0 client version?

[vagrant steeple]

I have a question. Is there a mechanism to reduce the number of blueprints that can be mined, like with illuvials? I mean, every time one is discovered, the probability of someone else also discovering it decreases, and the more blueprints are found, the less likely it is to find one.

I say this partly because maybe not so much yet, but in a few months we'll probably have infinite blueprints.

I'm already taking out the rarest illuvials

[tardy falcon]

BP/skin system needs an overhaul also

[wary skiff]

Hey, just a small question.
If i understood well, we convert crypton, solon and hyperion to fuel, for 89:1
And the fuel is sell at a price of 0.01$

So imagine (it's for a friend), someone farm 100k crypton. He have now 1123 fuel. So if i don't missunderstood i farm my friend farm 11.23$ in more than 6 month of daily farm ??

(Please, tell me i'm wrong)

[thorny crater]

I think this part explains it:

“Example: How Your Fuel Burn Affects Your Earnings

Let’s say there are 1,000 total landholders, and during a single cycle:
Total Fuel burned across all land plots = 100,000 Fuel
Landholder A burns = 1,500 Fuel
Landholder B burns = 500 Fuel
How the 5% Revenue Share Works:
If the total revenue from Fuel sales that cycle is 1,000 ETH, then 5% of that is 50 ETH set aside for landholders.
Landholder A burned 1.5% (1,500/100,000) of all Fuel → They receive 0.75 ETH from the pool.
Landholder B burned 0.5% (500/100,000) of all Fuel → They receive 0.25 ETH from the pool.”

[pseudo elm]

As I read it, you are t selling the fuel at all. The amount you burn will be expressed as a percentage of all the fuel burned by everyone that cycle and you will get that same percentage of the land revshare

[wary skiff]

Okay okay, how is decide the "50 ETH" ?

[tardy falcon]

I believe they took into account all existing fuel and multiplied it by .25 of previous top rail and that came out to the amount of eth if everyone were to claim refund. But likely not all will be claimed.

[radiant sky]

Sounds about right, yes

If you want the refund.
Can also keep the 1100 fuel

[lime yew]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-5292336

[lime yew]

It's kind of weird, don't you think? Maybe that's right?:

[wary skiff]

Wait, really ? 11$ ?

If i remembered well, i have a megacity, who cost maybe 40k 2 years ago, around 6k now, and i can earn 11$ every 6 month with an invest of 6k ?

An other calc. So i win 22$ every year, and i need "only" 272 YEARS for be good on my investment ?

I don't want to be direspectfull, but you kidding, 'right ?

That cannot be humanly true

[amber atlas]

It was always tied to Illuviums revenue. If Illuvium doesn't make money then neither does your land.

---

Has anyone done the math on the point where refund is better value than migrated fuel? (assuming the 0.01 value for Fuel)

(it is always better/always worse)

[dusk siren]

False. Sending your own fuel to do OW runs could lead to returns without revenue being there. In theory even a market for blueprints

[radiant sky]

Conversion Rate ist 89... Formula you can See pinned.
Haven't done math really, suffering Bad headache today.
But Looks Like if you bought for less than 50x Bonus on average a refund is worth it.
If you had fuel in Zero that gets migrated, it's even more worth it.

But again... Not my best Day, so i recommend doing your own calc

[radiant sky]

Yes.
But that 11 $ has nothing to do with earning potential.
It's basically what you get so they can reset the economy as far as i understand

[vagrant steeple]

272 years pass quickly, don't worry

[amber atlas]

We were talking about selling Fuel, but yes technically there are other ways you can make money, that just wasn't what we were talking about. I could also stream Zero content on YouTube and make money from views but it's not material to the point being made.

[graceful siren]

Forget making money, just accept we backed a failed project. Either sell at a massive loss or forget about it in the vague hope one day many years from now it turns around. Only reason I’ve not sold my land is it is so close to worthless I’ve forgotten about it. I don’t play it for cents a week of return or blueprints nobody wants

[vagrant steeple]

I had enough fuel for 592.59 trips to Overworld Stage 3. I hope it doesn't suddenly turn out that I have 11, and that's after having the Overworld bugged for a month and a half, preventing me from spending it.

[dusk siren]

I've been dreaming about selling my fuel for months and it's never going to happen. My dreams and fuel will be burned. Using your own fuel and blueprints were always going to be a bigger income stream than revdis right? Rewarding people that actually play or participate. Wish we could go back in time and cancel fuel production (supply) till we actually try to create some demand

[vagrant steeple]

I played a Tier 2 land, I've never had any fuel to sell; I only had enough to develop the land and search for biodata and blueprints. Since I already have all the biodata and the land developed, I'm starting to be able to generate fuel, So luckily it hasn't affected me.. I understand that with the change, if people play the game, you can generate money because you're no longer selling fuel, you're getting a share of the profit from all the fuel purchased. But it would be nice if the blueprints didn't also become worth 0, It would be good if you looked into a way to prevent them from being generated infinitely, as I mentioned above.

[radiant sky]

Zero developement is on hold.
#1347194091418419352 message

[wary skiff]

"reset the economy" ... That's how they thanks the first player and contributor of the game ?

Maybe, before reset economy, that could be a good Idea to have a game finish, that interest players

[radiant sky]

Council+Team said they had to, otherwhise economy would have been destroyed

[amber atlas]

I mean turning it around is a long journey even if it all works out.

[vagrant steeple]

I've said that before. This project has always done the same thing: hurting its best users and making them pay for the development team's mistakes. I said at the time that there were a million things wrong and tried to provide feedback and possible solutions... and they decided to release the game in deplorable conditions to generate money... The fact is, you reset the economy, but the game is still not good or finished. I've said many times that the project's problem was its direction, and I get the impression it's improved, but what will it take for Kieran to be fired once and for all? He's the main person responsible for us getting to this point.

[twin sequoia]

that 89:1 is only once for the fuel sent to OW or already collected (over 1k per fuel). For the newly burnt fuel, the new sharing model applies. I think it is better for us, as fuel price won´t be "almost" 0. The people that was already playing I think will continue playing as the fixed price is 1/4 the original max price, and the ADR will do whales and people wit few time spend more money in the game.

Of course not enough to make for the 2/3 years ROI expected at launch, but much better than the situation 1 mont ago.

[vagrant steeple]

I think the fuel change is good; having a fixed price is better for the entire game ecosystem. The problem is making the fuel people had worthless.

[twin sequoia]

@whole spear was it expected for Illuvidex to be down for so long?

[radiant sky]

All depending on how much they incentivize leviathan.
Statistically it is Way to expensive for web2 and Web3 are extractors, they don't spend if it isn't highly likely that they get more Profit than they invested.

[twin sequoia]

I regret that too, but now you´ll have the possibility to ask for a refund of some type. It won´t be perfect but is an improvement. Let´s wait for the next blog on it

[vagrant steeple]

I bought fuel so I could have all the Illuvials and armor, most of them with good stats. I even replayed the game just before the overworld bug to get them. That's all I wanted. I assure you, I'm going to be really pissed off if I suddenly don't have the fuel to get those.

[amber atlas]

Okay time to check what my wallet has in it Fuel wise

should we see it in the account section?

[vagrant steeple]

That said, the "web3 user only plays to win..." thing is false, most of us also play video games that don't earn us anything. The problem is that if a video game isn't good, people will only play it if they think they can get something, which is what happens with 99% of web3 games, which are terrible and almost no one would normally play them. Illuvium, to this day, is still not a good video game, it's normal that people don't want to play it or spend money on it if they're not going to get a reward. Blockchain technology allows current video games to evolve and improve, and I'm sure that if a good video game that takes advantage of this technology comes along, it will be a huge success. There will probably come a time when we have new games that appear out of nowhere and are a huge success like TFT, PUBG, Fornite, Apex... and it will be web3, but for that to happen good video games are needed, and today it is not that users only want to make a profit playing illuvium, it is that very few web2 players would pay to play this game as it is now.

And I think this game can be good, otherwise I would have left already, but I tell you that harming your best users, those who have supported you when everything went wrong, those who trusted your project when there was nothing yet, is one of the worst things you can do.

Web3 projects themselves are unfortunately also like users who are only looking for profit. You release games at extremely early stages, in states where no one would normally play them, and if a normal user bought the game from you, they would immediately ask for a refund, all to make a quick buck.

[dreamy pollen]

Will I need to do anything to "burn" fuel in Illuvium Zero or will it burn the fuel automatically moving forward? I read the blog and I'm still not sure.

[tardy falcon]

You will need to burn it

[dreamy pollen]

Where do I do that or is it not functional yet?

[tardy falcon]

Click the fuel bar in zero
You’ll see the option but it’s not live yet

[dreamy pollen]

Ok. I see it. Thanks!

[wary skiff]

It's real ...

And it's sad

Do you think they understand that landowner will stop trust in the game one by one because of this decision ?

They just wait for no landowner or what ?

[vagrant steeple]

I'd say they don't care. They sold the lands for a sum of money a while ago. They didn't keep that money directly, but used it for the project. In the end, all they want is for someone to pay for their mistakes and to try to attract new players. Those of us who've been here for years lose money, get pissed off, leave disappointed... They don't care, there aren't that many of us. They just look for new users, and that's it. Most of these projects that make bad video games tend to have a bad reputation among their users, and they look for users who will spend and expect nothing, something that never happens because the game isn't good.

[radiant sky]

Don't think you can see it atm

[tardy falcon]

Yah looks like unified fuel UI hasn't been added to accounts yet... but I imagine we should see it in this list like before:

[rose thicket]

Any opinion on how Labs can report fuel units, weighed against revenue during the period, calculate payout, and then make payments given revenue will be generated on various rails like IMX, Stripe, etc? Distribute in ETH. They going to do this for 20,000 plots monthly in theory manually per Kieran 😀

[signal jewel]

Can I still mint blueprints with the marketplace down? Thanks!

[amber atlas]

Not really other than... not manually 😉

Sorry in the middle of something don't have time to think!

[sacred moss]

How is the fuel refund works? I think im losing half or more of my money with the ratio 89:1 convertion. I buy fuel at some high price. And now will convert at 89:1 ratio.

Is the refund will base on purchase history or what? Thank you for any help.

[tardy falcon]

Should still be able to see it in our account tho

[iron laurel]

There will be a blog post coming out that will have more about the refund it isn't up yet. They said 24-48 hours until that is up...I think that is what they said.

[sacred moss]

Okay i will wait then, thank you for information.

[iron laurel]

I am trying to remember where I saw the picture. Basically it is not in the account part but up by your name somewhere or something.

[tardy falcon]

Ohh yah that's right...

@amber atlas That's how it will prob look... this is sandbox

[iron laurel]

I was starting to think I had imagined it!😂

[tardy falcon]

hahaha yah I forgot... but glad you remembered (:

[whole spear]

Yes

[twin sequoia]

No announcement?

~9.157 burnt so far

Very good the info about the share of burned fuel

[tardy falcon]

nice

I like that you can tell the percentage share

[viscid bolt]

Could someone explain to me what you are talking about with fuel burning?

[iron laurel]

On our lands we will know longer be able to send the fuel to OW to play with directly or sell fuel to the marketplace. Instead we burn fuel, which is done by just pushing the burn fuel button on your plot. Land owners who burn fuel will get a share of revenue distribution paid in ETH. Land owners, as a collective, will receive 5% of Illuvium revenue. Each landowner's share will be based on the percentage of fuel he has burned in relation to of all burned fuel. by all landowner's.

If you want a longer and clearer explanation look in the Announcements channel. There is a blog post written.

[viscid bolt]

So, I won't be able to use my own fuel from my land in OW - that really sucks! Where is the burn fuel button in the Zero interface? So, you burn fuel and burn fuel over days, weeks, and then at certain intervals rev dis is given for this? - Nvm, I read about the burning, but still where is the button?

[iron laurel]

No you won't be able to. The burn fuel button is where the sell fuel button used to be - click on the fuel in the top right.

[wide bobcat]

Just a question, my existing fuel was reduced to 1000 per fuel type, but the amount that got automatically burnt doesnt show as my "SHARE OF THE FUEL BURNED" this cycle. what happened to that missing amount?

[viscid bolt]

Mine still says Send Fuel - NVM, I see it was updated yesterday, just updated and now it says burn fuel

[tardy falcon]

everyone was cut to 1000 of each. they are going to give you 89:1 ratio of new unified fuel unless you request a refund... check announcements

[wide bobcat]

thanks for the response, yeah I did check it but was not sure if the 89:1 ratio payout is already implemented or not, Fuel exchange is under maintenance so I figured to check here to see where to check what that burn amount even was.

[tardy falcon]

The fuel taken out of zero was not burned. It was taken out to remove most fuel from the ecosystem. The fuel taken out will be converted to the new unified fuel and show up in our accounts once the illuvidex is finished updating.

Unless you request a refund and then you'll get eth instead of the new fuel

At least that's how I understand it

[wide bobcat]

is unified fuel that important that it can rival ETH? As I see, wont every one want ETH instead?

[tardy falcon]

That's your choice to make

[wide bobcat]

Sorry if this is explained earlier but what is the difference between current fuels and this new Unified fuel?

[tardy falcon]

Unified fuel is one fuel. One unit of new fuel is one cent.
Land plots no longer sell fuel or are able to transfer fuel to accounts.

There is no more variable price for fuel

[wide bobcat]

Thats true, is there a way to see how much fuel was removed from our plots? I wasnt keeping a track of total amount before. Or kinda do the 89:1 on the amount of unified fuel once its available in our account?

[tardy falcon]

They said there is like 30 days to decide...
The new fuel will show up in your account once they have updated

Then you can do the math reverse

[wide bobcat]

ah.. seems like a move towards balancing economy. good or bad.. time will tell.

I just keep my head down and farm farm farm. like a good ol tax payer irl

[viscid bolt]

Where does the fuel live now on the online account? Under profile I only see ilv and eth, not the unified fuels or the 3 ununified fuels. Where are the fuels that I got from the tier 2 fuel crate ($45)?

[past kindle]

can't update the game, it wont login, doesnt launch the passport connect, uninstall/reinstall didnt help

same with illuvium, says no network, says code 901 over and over and over

[iron laurel]

Fuel is no longer going to be on chain so you won't see it on IMX. When the Illuvidex is back up you will see it in your account on there.

[viscid bolt]

Thank you for helping me out I really appreciate it. I'm a little confused when you talk about the distinction between IMX and the Illuvidex account. Where exactly will the converted fuel show up? I am thinking it would show up In the passport balances where the ilv and eth are? (which you can see either by looking at account settings or clicking on your username under passport). Is that right, or is it somewhere else?

[viscid bolt]

Thank you. I don't see the fuel or play now button next to my username at the top of the illuvium page when I log in. Where are you seeing that?

[tardy falcon]

that is from testnet...

[viscid bolt]

ohhhhhhh!

[tardy falcon]

hasnt updated on mainet illuvidex

[viscid bolt]

Got it! You have a lot of fuel!

[tardy falcon]

fake fuel 😄

it's essentially free on testnet

[viscid bolt]

Sorry about that 😦

[signal jewel]

Are we still able to mint blueprints with the marketplace down?

[tardy falcon]

I would assume so since minting happens on blockchain via imx. Illuvidex shouldn't affect that.

[signal jewel]

Ok, thanks!

[grave island]

@tardy falcon wow ty for clear explanations, i thought my land has bugged out.

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-keanu-my-pleasure-nickfifs-gif-20348996

[random cobalt]

Just noticing the plot levels are updated

[hearty cradle]

One Fuel to Rule Them All

[low river]

I bought the land a few months back to have resources to play the other games, is it not possible now? I can care less about ETH, it is a chain that eventually will be killed by SUI or SOL.

I know I can sell ETH for the unified fuel, but it is more annoying steps that I need to do.

[sleek rose]

Am i correct to assume that you can burn fuel as many times as you like? And there is no advantage in stocking up 1000 before burning?

[copper inlet]

you can do it every second or as fast as you can push the burn button, you just adding up to your share

[spice vector]

code 901 is the clients way of saying that you’re struggling to connect
to the resource (eg: api). Means your connection is unstable/having issues

[vagrant steeple]

Sol is a network that after this cycle will surely end up like Matic, it will start to fall and lose importance non-stop, if there are only memecoins going to 0... and Sui will probably just be the typical trendy token... ETH meanwhile will probably still be there.

[hazy jewel]

No burn button on app, shall i update something?

[signal canyon]

try updating it, and logging out then in

[heavy wolf]

Yeah need to update i had the same thing then it worked 💪

[little wagon]

Howcome i have much more credits???? Where can i find the fuel that i should have gotten after the change???

[twin sequoia]

Illuvidex is still down? I saw some activity yesterday night

But I cannot access it or my profile

[hazy jewel]

So if I got it well, pretending 1000 eth of fuel purchase, at this time I will get 2% of the 5% ( 50 eth ) so roughly 1 eth right?
Is there shown somewhere the actual data for the fuel sold?

[twin sequoia]

You are right, but we still don´t know if there will any info about fuel sold beside quarter info

[stable minnow]

What is the burn cycle? Wondering how often I should be burning from my land

True, does lead to some shenanigans. It's good there's some transparency on what you may earn, but will be decieving until the last min

[twin sequoia]

So let´s stop the burning for this cycle 😅

[open stratus]

Yeah but with little in revenue, does it matter

[hazy jewel]

Sure the 2% is now, but the main question is the same: is it possible to check daily/period fuel purchases?

[last tiger]

Can we start burning fuel?

[true cradle]

is illuvidex down for maintenance?

ty

[serene iris]

Hmm not sure we should be burning yet.... there is no income

[iron laurel]

Are there limits to how much fuel we can now hold on our plots?

[golden patrol]

Hi, i,ve been away from ILV for a year or so. And now when I try to log in to my account either on the illuvium web site or illuvium zero my plot and collectables are not there.

Am i doing something wrong or are the assets moved someplase else?

[simple lance]

Hey, I woke up today and for the second day in a row, all my fuels have been re-set to 1000. I thought that was a one-time thing?

[rotund forum]

and if you burn your fuel, what do you get in return?

[last tiger]

That was exactly what I was thinking

[last tiger]

% of share of total spend fuel for that cycle from what I understand

But ATM I believe that nobody is spending money on fuel so maybe there's no point of burning ATM I think someone should clarify this

And in the article they are talking about a refund too I'm not sure what's the meaning of that too

[rotund forum]

So just to get this straight, the more you burn the more you receive. You don´t actually sell any fuel anymore. It is just burn 100% and you get paid for that?

Or you still have to sell something as well?

[radiant sky]

The storages is your Limit 🙂

[rotund forum]

If they say "we simplified everything" and I don´t get it... I feel like a moron 🙈

[radiant sky]

Website is unser maintenance
Zero you likely have to Update your client

[radiant sky]

Shouldn't have happened.
An ingame Bug Report would be appreciated

[radiant sky]

There's another blog coming about the refund with more information

[radiant sky]

Can't sell fuel anymore, Zero got decoupled from the economy.
You just Burn fuel to get a share of the 5% of the revenue Made in that cycle you burned the fuel

[vestal raft]

same here... Fuel was re-set to 1000... thought it was just a "one time thing". (will send a bug-report, and will try to keep under 1000 for the next couple of days)

[last tiger]

Overall what you think about this new method?

[golden patrol]

Thank you for answering. I noticed that the site is under maintenance. But I did download the ios app a month ago and the only plot available is a free-to-play plot.

[radiant sky]

With just a few simple words....
I feel they put themself in a tough spot.
Before the market made the price for maximal revenue, now they have to nail the pricing to reach that, which is actually not possible.
Also it was at least for myself the reason to buy into land to be a part of the economy and maybe even influence it.

But that's just my very personal opinion, i heard from a couple people now, they like the fix pricing.

[radiant sky]

there was a new update yesterday

[carmine grotto]

So we just burn fuel to get some part of the game revenue like shareholders? What about the united fuel on our accounts? What will it be used for?

[radiant sky]

unified fuel will be the ingame currency to buy anything from Illuvium

[hazy jewel]

Just one tought: pretending this week there are no fuel purchases, if I got 2% of revenue I will get 0, meanwhile if there would be 1billion eth of fuel sale inwould become rich: does anybody would care about this aspect or burning becomes a kind of lottery?

[flint compass]

I purchased a plot a long time ago that had already been built on. I have a hydrogen pump I can't interact with. I figured this would have been fixed by now. Anyone know if this is something being worked on? I had submitted bug reports on this multiple times.

[last tiger]

Yeah same here and we paid a lot of premium on lands

[open stratus]

Someone buy my floor t3

[copper inlet]

will send it to the team asap, should be fixed quite soon

[radiant sky]

I would expect that there will be a dashboard, showing detailed revenue of this cycle also something similar to the ledger we had, where you can track fuel burns of other people but i don't know honestly.
I guess we will see when new website is live.

[mortal spruce]

Path Bonus dropped to 19%

[flint compass]

Thank you.

So based on the burn system it would be more profitable to save your fuel and burn as much as you can in a single week or to participate weekly?

[timber sapphire]

Depends on the revenue

[inland shore]

So when do we learn more about the blueprints utilty ?

[cinder fractal]

Fuel that's moving from our plot when we have over 1000 is automatically burned or unified fuel is something else?

That unified fuel is sold at 0.01$ per unit and this fuel that we burn is earning us % from weekly revenue, did I get it right

[cinder fractal]

We were promised capitalism but we ended up in socialism 😂

At the end it doesn't really matter, we need players and revenue

[tardy falcon]

no... the fuel that was transferred over 1000 from our plots is to be converted to the new fuel at 89:1 unless you request a refund

[cinder fractal]

I understand 89:1 conversion, but that new fuel is automatically sold for us at 0.01$?

[tardy falcon]

no...

you will have it in your account

[twin sequoia]

No. Your fuel is burnt to the DAO. And DAO sell fuel at $0.01. 5% of revenue generated from selling fuel is sent to landowners depending of the % of fuel you burnt to the DAO that cycle compared to the rest of landowners

[cinder fractal]

Ok now I understand thanks

[tardy falcon]

he's talking about the fuel taken from zero

[cinder fractal]

I was talking about both

[tardy falcon]

cool... yah from now on we burn fuel

fun fun

[twin sequoia]

Fuel is not yet shown in mainnet, right?

[cinder fractal]

If we want to sell we burn, but if there is no revenue better to just collect unified fuel

[tardy falcon]

not yet looks like

[tardy falcon]

we cant collect unified fuel

Land plots only burn

or you can save and burn later

[cinder fractal]

But everything over 1000 is converted automatically into unified fuel at 89:1

[tardy falcon]

This was a one time thing to remove most fuel from ecosystem

and that will be converted 89:1

That is different than burn

[cinder fractal]

For me it was not one time thing, after collecting my fuel everything over 1000 disappeared again

[tardy falcon]

shouldnt be... prob need to report that

The game would break if that were true

[cinder fractal]

I will pay attention once when I'm over 1000 again I just burned some fuel to test mechanics

Maybe yesterday it was a bug just after an update

[radiant sky]

There was a second Migration a bit after the latest patch went live and everything should be good now
Shouldn't happen again.

[real ice]

so what we will get say i do in 24 hours 890 fuel in total so 89-1 and is 0.01 cent cost then i get 10 new fuels in total 10x0.01 cent total 10cent,in 24 hours my earnings yes ?

[tulip fox]

Land owners only get 5% of the Fuel sales? This is a joke.
So sad I didn't sell my land lol...

How can I burn my worthless Fuel?

[hardy brook]

How do these cycles work guys? Can I decide to skip one and hoard fuel for the next cycle if I think there'll be more ETH in it for me? Or does everything reset including our fuel balance per cycle?

[tardy falcon]

No... 89:1 will have no relationship after the conversion. 89:1 is just the transition ratio going from old fuel to new fuel.

From now on you burn your fuel from Zero and fight for a share of 5% of total Illuvium revenue

[rotund forum]

I can already see a whales group forming where each one gets a particular week assigned and burn their entire accumulated fuel 🙈😂.

[rotund reef]

I'm dumb, so what I'm understanding is no more selling, we just burn from this point on, correct?

[real ice]

ok so you can't calculate now how much going make for land yes

[tardy falcon]

exactly

[mortal mural]

mmm i was ressetted to 1000 fuel

bug?

[vestal raft]

This is the explanation from the Support team... which makes perfect senses for me. but can see it causing some confusion, and a few have had the same question today... but all should be ok, and no more "reset to 1000" 🙂

To clarify, the fuel migration was conducted in two separate batches at different times. This means that after the initial update, when you harvested fuel from your extractors and converters, your totals increased as expected. However, when the second batch of the migration was completed, everything above the 1,000 fuel limit was migrated again, which is why you noticed the discrepancy upon logging in.

[mortal mural]

can we start burning fuekl?

[open stratus]

Buy my t3, way below floor

[tranquil notch]

so till 04.04 ow will be back, that people will buy fuel ?

[twin sequoia]

That is from the very beginning (the 19/1 distribution), nothing new. So you didn´t read before buying 😉 .

[tardy falcon]

Let's get Zero a name change
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1354890871555883159

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/wednesday-addams-wednesday-addams-sigh-gif-22280324

[tardy falcon]

Exactly... A game that all of us have spent a lot of time and effort on is now a joke.
So why not rebrand it? Cuz if not we all are the joke /:

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[twin sequoia]

Very long travel for original land owners. And probably never if they just wanted something to speculate with. If they played, probably will get something back and got the time they played. Far better for who entered later

[rotund reef]

I have always been a long-game player, and my main objective was to collect as many BPs as possible and see if the game takes off. If it does, I'm in good shape. If you're somebody who is playing for the now or for the mid-term in the Web3 gaming space -- you're going to have a bad time. No matter what.

[lyric lodge]

So will the new fuel system provide us with more funds ?

For land owners

The set price now

?

I mean more money

How much are we not expecting to make off a T2 fully optimised per day ?

Thinking about picking up a t4

Oh yeah I agree but ilv in a better position than they ever been

I think 2 years

At least they know what did not work

And have 2 people in the team who understand gaming

Well just my thought ...whonknows

I always said game was not fun

I don't know the stats in that tbh

Hoping for the best

If it's fun

People will playv

That simple

But the team thought last game was fun

So there we go

[twin sequoia]

The world is huge. Even if 100k player left the game and wont come back, there are millions if the onboarding is easy enough. And to play Arena and OW it is. It is only for Zero that you have to deal with IMX and so on. Concord was launched by a very known company world wide (I guess, I didn´t know it until you told about it 😂 ). Illuvium made noise in the web3 game space, but is not launched to the masses. It is in Epic Store, but not widely advertised.

[lyric lodge]

Ow was a failure but I think the TFT one is quite good at the moment...don't you ? And zero is not too bad...it's just ow and if we get a card game for being that would be good but going to take years

[twin sequoia]

Surely it will be a long way but now at least I have a tiny profit. With the prior system it was between nothing and 0 (rounded down from 0.005 🤣 )

[lyric lodge]

But it needs to be good to generate revenue...it's that simple

When is wave 4 ?

I mean addictive ...sure addictive is good

Drone runs could be addictive

Like opening disks

[tardy falcon]

May

[lyric lodge]

Ok let's see

[tardy falcon]

No… not until there is utility for illuvials

[lyric lodge]

I really spent a lot on this project ....maybe it was foolish but hopefully it works out

Well we can only try ...better than doing nothing

[viscid bolt]

I just looked. The fuels I got from the $45 tier 2 gift box gave 72 fuels. Which is now worth 72 cents. Wow!

How many eth do you think will be generated and returned to fuel burners each week? Which we would multiply by the "Share of total fuel burned"

[tardy falcon]

That shouldn’t be the case… I was told fuel crates would be true value. 15 dollars for 15 dollars worth of fuel

That’s fucked if true

[viscid bolt]

I think it is true. I think I got around 2136 of each of the three types of fuel. So, if you multiply 72 by 89 you get about that much. It is quite a lot of depreciation (98.4%), a massive drop and almost total wipeout of value.

[tardy falcon]

@hearty cradle wtf bro?

@fair temple

I was told by council crates would be full value

[fair temple]

so it should be an error if he only got 72 fuel for the fuel crate

[viscid bolt]

To maintain the $45 value of the box that gave me 2136 of each of the three fuels (6408 total), I would have to have 4500 fuel. I imagine it is the depreciation of the value of the fuels from when I cashed in the box until now. I cashed in the box a while ago

[copper inlet]

ahh, sorry didnt see you responded to my message before I deleted it (dont wanted to confuse you) looking in to it

[copper inlet]

when you claimed your crate?

[viscid bolt]

A while ago, I think sometime last year? I don't remember exactly. Just checked: 8/13/24. I think the depreciation of fuels from that time until now might explain it.

[fair temple]

yeah if you claim now, after the conversion, you would get 15$ of new fuel.
But the fuel you had was converted at the rate mentioned before.

[pure fable]

can I sell the fuel back to the DAO that I got from the crates?

[tardy falcon]

Ahh I see… he claimed before and it was converted

Sorry for hyper reaction… was about to be livid

[fair temple]

No :]

[fair temple]

lol understandable, but no panic needed for now lol

[viscid bolt]

Sorry, I didn't mean to create a stir.

[tardy falcon]

No worries… a little edgy with all the changes

happy to see zero leaderboardhttps://tenor.com/view/sweating-intense-sweating-nervous-anxious-waiting-gif-15207841

[marsh idol]

I have to say spending all that time on Zero now feels like how Axie did when the SLP price crashed

[cold owl]

Can anything be done with fuel crates that were awarded to land holders a while ago? How can I use / redeem that now?

[twin sequoia]

👀

Between all prizes too much weekly rewards I think

[tardy falcon]

Happy to see Zero LB

Rewards bring playing and paying players

that's a tongue twister

[twin sequoia]

I meant

[radiant sky]

i guess it's for getting a feeling what is going to be played or in what other way the rewards are paying out.
Get a ton of data with incentivizing every possible gamemode the same amount.

[tardy falcon]

I like it

That's what makes Beyond successful

no

[radiant sky]

why?

ya, but can't compare Illuvium beta to a lol, right?

somehow you need to onboard some players

i wouldn't say it's easy to get web2 people with what is live right now in illuvium

and web3 you won't get without rewards

[rose thicket]

@whole spear any updates on the IMC minutes? They are about 60 days behind.

[whole spear]

Yeah I think scoriox just pinged me with some approved notes will get them uploaded asap

[tardy falcon]

Sorry but if Beyond didn't have LB I wouldn't play

[flint compass]

Is there a way to auto sell on the dex at the floor price or near it?

[tropic saddle]

Been a while, but with the new fuel change, we burn the old fuel and earn the new fuel?

The new fuel can then be used to do auto drone runs?

[vague tide]

How are the fuels system work, we cant sell it anymore, isn't it?

[random cobalt]

So at the 89:1 rate and the 24 fuel for t1 run it'll take 2136 combined crypton/hyperion/solon from ILZ to do a T1 run then?

[tardy falcon]

This is crypto... If I wanted to enjoy a game for a game I would stick to web2. Which I do... I enjoy a couple web2 games. But this is a different world here.

[tardy falcon]

no... u burn fuel to earn a share of 5% of Illuvium revenue. From that you can go buy fuel if you want.

[tardy falcon]

no... u can't use Zero fuel at all

[tropic saddle]

What if there is no revenue? Burn it for nothing?

[tardy falcon]

Zero has no connection to the other games anymore

[tropic saddle]

Odd

[tardy falcon]

or save it till there's revenue

[tropic saddle]

Dang, was hoping I could buy a land, generate fuel, and use the fuel to do auto drone runs

[gritty wave]

probably still worth buying land for LB rewards and eventual rev as it looks pretty cheap...if you like playing it that is

[tardy falcon]

Yah wonder what the metric will be

[gritty wave]

well it had enough wif of promise I finally bought back into zero today lol
Of course the person hadn't built up the land at all hardly, but honestly, that is my favorite part, and I have a month, so I'll see if I can get on LB however they calulate that (by property? By owners total property?) and assume they'll have some credit for daily tasks, etc.

But all this could be very good for beyond and the overall system eventually

[tardy falcon]

Nice… yah I also enjoy the building up. Good luck with it.

[whole tree]

Why the fuels doesn't migrate automatically？Some of them are over 1000.

[random cobalt]

Damn....so I should have used all that fuel I saved up for runs prior to this update...awesome

[tardy falcon]

Mm if I could go back in time I would have done that

[whole tree]

Do you know where to find the burned united FUELs？

Thanks a lot.

[serene iris]

Someone bought all the cheap t4 land

Only 2x plots in the half eth range then it's .80

[whole tree]

Is the tournament held every two weeks with 200 ILV rewards each time? Then where does the 2000 ILV tournament reward come from? Why here is 500 ILV rewards each tournament(not 200)?

500+500+250?

I just want to know how many ILVs will be rewarded every month in total, anyone knows that pls help!

[tough field]

It says the excess full (over 1000) was migrated to Unified Fuel on the passport wallet?

Where is that fuel? I can’t find anything in my wallet. Also, I don’t machine powerful enough to play OW. So can I sell that unified fuel?

[whole tree]

You may find it here.

[tough field]

I found it. Thanks

[tough field]

Is it on the imx blockchain? Like ERC20?

[whole tree]

Nope, it's most likely just an in-game currency.

[tropic echo]

Idk if anybody can help me on this channel but I'm new to this and I really don't know what I'm doing. I have funds in my immutable X wallet, IMX currency but everything on illuvidex is ETH. So when I try to purchase a plot for Zero it says I don't have enough ETH. So how do I switch it over? Or can someone point me in the right direction?

[whole spear]

Updated what they had for me

[tropic echo]

I might be way off but I thought passport was my wallet for Illuvium.

[whole spear]

Yeah you can connect your wallet to your passport and deposit from passport or just use the wallet

You can technically do both

I’ll
Send you a guide

One sec

[tropic echo]

Muchas gracias

[whole spear]

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10909882916623-How-to-add-funds-from-an-exchange-to-your-Passport-Illuvium-account

Shit lol

We just changed some of this today

Haven’t had time to make a new guide yet

But it’s
Pretty close

If you have issues just ping me or dm me

[tropic echo]

Okay thanks

[random cobalt]

Catching up on the other chats in governance channels... so should I be requesting a refund as dedicated consistent land owner who had been sending fuel to OW every week?

I don't have a clear handle on all this change

[graceful sleet]

Before the fuel migration I had almost 1000 solon offered on the marketplace. Can I redeem it somehow or is it gone ?

[tardy falcon]

check your account and see if there's any of the new fuel

[noble gull]

Can I confirm that the fuel we held previously has been reduced at a ratio of 89:1, and that a T3 run which used to cost 1350 crypton now costs 899 united fuel which is essentially 80k of the old fuel?

[hearty cradle]

they increased the occurance of rare illuvials per run too

[radiant sky]

Can the value calculation be made public?
From my Personal experience i got more value out of a Run with the old System than i get now.

[radiant sky]

Yes

[radiant sky]

There's a blog coming about everything related to refund. I recommend waiting for that one before making any decisions so you can do some proper math

[hearty cradle]

u can use the ADR chance as a base. OW should be cheaper

the increase from old system is significant, in multiples

[radiant sky]

Yea but that alone doesn't Cut it if Fusion is now 60$

Afaik nothing changed with stat rng

[hearty cradle]

it's favoring capture

stat rng stays afaik

[radiant sky]

Obviously... But nontheless you got Way more value out of the old System per run

[hearty cradle]

We do have price increase too

[radiant sky]

What do you mean?

[hearty cradle]

if u compare the cost of run in the last weeks before overhaul

it is still chance based, so u can get unlucky

[radiant sky]

Ya but thats why that insane ratio, right?

[noble gull]

Can I say that as someone who's held multiple land lots simply to get fuel to enjoy runs in the overworld having the past 12months or so of zero fuel farming thrown away is incredibly frustrating and very likely to make me dump my land and f*ck this game off for good.

[dusk siren]

sounds like the average experience, there might be hope in the future!

[tulip fox]

How do I burn fuel?

For the rewards?

[radiant sky]

I totally understand your Frustration and i feel with you owning multiple plots myself since landsale, Zero Tool a rough hit with this ep-1.
We can just hope that there will be Lot of people onboarded and get some revenue in with the soon starting incentives.

[radiant sky]

You can either Click the 3 bars AT the top left and then Burn fuel or you Click AT the storages on your top right and then Burn fuel

[tulip fox]

In game?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[hazy crest]

@noble gull dm me if you decided to sell up

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[hazy crest]

Oops 😬

[hazy crest]

https://tenor.com/view/oooppsss-gif-11079235799277952190

[cerulean steppe]

They have fucked us so often and now they want us to open Zero every day and harvest fuel to get our 5%. I just say: Fuck you @noble quest !

Oh I forgot: You are an asshole !

[twin knot]

GM. How much fuel do you produce with a max T3 daily?

[tulip fox]

There is nothing regarding Fuel Burning. Could you help me with print screen?

I can only send Fuel.

[radiant sky]

Sounds Like you need to Update your client.
If you play on an iPhone, i heared you have to do that manually, if you play on Desktop you might have manual Download activated, can go then to the library and Click update

[quiet heath]

Hi Guys, I am just trying to understand everything that happen so far...

The 3 fuels are now one (unified fuel)

Is the ratio of fuel that I had on my account (immutable) is now been combined and ratio should have been (89:1)

All the fuel that I had on my land (what happen to this fuel?)

Regarding the fuel crates, what do I do with them now?

I am sure there are other things but I cannot remember...

Overall I am still hopeful about the games and I have been reading the latest announcements but I might have missed those...

[radiant sky]

All Fuel above 1k storage got converted with the 89:1 ratio and sent to your OW account

[quiet heath]

And the fuel sitting in my account has the same process?

[quiet heath]

*immutable

[radiant sky]

Fuel on your passport Account got converted to unified fuel with the Same 89:1 ratio, yes

[quiet heath]

Thank you

I am guessing no news out of the fuel crates though...

[radiant sky]

Fuel crates should be redeemable.
You will get the $value written on it in fuel

[quiet heath]

It worked 🙏

[pine kestrel]

@radiant sky Hey, am I correct in understanding that we cannot track the competition in real-time based on the amount of fuel burned? I'm referring to the rewards mentioned in the announcement.

[radiant sky]

Talking about the leaderboard rewards?
Those are not live yet.
I assume you will be able to track that

But honestly i don't know 😄

[pine kestrel]

Got it, I hope you're right.

@minor pagoda Hey, do you happen to know for sure?
When the Airdrop for Zero launches, will we be able to see a live leaderboard for fuel burning?
Like the ranking in Gauntlet.

[pearl marten]

@minor pagoda so in the end the fuel that was taken from ILZ had the same 89:1 conversion rate?

[solid cove]

@radiant sky Have the surplus fuel at a rate of 1:89 already been transferred from your IZ to your wallet? Mine is just empty)

[radiant sky]

I assumed so

@whole spear can you confirm?

[solid cove]

fuel over 1k was burned as expected, but nothing came to the wallet))

[fluid eagle]

how do i find out what a blueprint i have minted is worth?

[twin sequoia]

Yesterday, for me, it was only visible in the OW web site. Now it is also in the Illuvides site, and I can see it has been completely updated

[fiery dagger]

is there a way to swap ilv tokens you get from rewrds on your pasport to eth so i can buy unified fuel with it?

or do i need to bridge it first

[twin sequoia]

Check the Illuvidex, but there is e very tiny market for them. Until people start buying it we don´t really know how much may them cost

Site is revamped, so it could be easier now, I didn´t have time to check

6 T4 sold in a row, someone has high hopes

[fluid eagle]

Airdrop? Where can i read more about it?

[grand silo]

nice to see Zero getting some love with those juicy rewards

[last tiger]

someone have tier 3 max out to sell?

[broken roost]

Wow finally. We should still get one extra for landowners If I remember correctly?

[broken roost]

Kind of weird though "level up plot to climb ladder" like wtf is that 😂

[sudden zinc]

GM! I read the announcement about new fuel, But did not really understand. What is The Benefiz to Burn it??? And where do I find the fuel above 1000 from before? Thanks 🙏

[grand silo]

makes sense to me, what other ways would do it

[broken roost]

Well first you need a proper game 😅

A competitive one

In order to have a leaderboard

[grand silo]

lets hope it evolves to a leaderboard that would be very cool

[bleak grove]

when we again can transfer fuel from our land the our OW account, will it still be at a 89:1 conversion rate? Or will a new conversion rate be established?

[solid cove]

we will no longer transfer fuel to ourselves from IZ, the DAO sells fuel, and landowners receive 5%

[twin sequoia]

#🛒〕land-dex message

If you could transfer 99 Fuel to OW for 1 ADR, you would avoid paying $0.99 (or $0.83 if you buy de max pack). Now for that 99 fuel burnt you get the corresponding share of revenue that now is much, much less than $0.83 but, if the game success, could be even bigger. And remember that now fuel is also used to buy D1sk and cosmetics. But I think that it is fair, as owning a plot shouldn´t give that huge advantage. What I don´t like is that having a plot now doesn´t save you from using Illuvidex as before. And this was a fair added value for owning a plot.

[twin sequoia]

The revenue was so low in part because the bonus was so big. As a result, with few money people could buy fuel for lots of runs (manual runs, so time comsuming) and didn´t need to spend more money. That radically changes now and most of that people will spend more now. Also, with ADR time is not a limitation now and some people will spend even more. These factors with the need of fuel to buy D1sk and cosmetics will increase revenue dramatically. Not so much for it to be significant yet or even reach old levels. But much higher than $2k or $7k.

[rotund reef]

This would be a good time to remind everybody of all the ways you hypothetically could make money from your plots:

1. Fuel
2. Sell BPs
3. Sell skins you create from BPs
4. Resale

Of course most of this is contingent of the game becoming popular, but this was always the case. I don't really care what it's doing right now, it's irrelevant. Did I miss any?

[pine kestrel]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[rotund reef]

A reminder too -- pinned messages need to be updated, no?

[devout tide]

So far, I was hoping to get fuel from my land, go to the overworld, and catch something that would bring some value. Now, it turns out I need to collect fuel from all my lands every day to get a fraction of a penny a week. This is not only pointless but also annoying. The lack of fuel transfer to the overworld makes illuvium zero lose all its value.

[bleak grove]

I also thought the only way would be to burn it now. However, the blog post does say:

"Instead, landholders will receive ETH based on fuel burned in Zero, with soon the ability to claim that share as Fuel directly, replacing the old functionality."

.. and so I'm wondering about that part. If we can soon claim the burnt share as fuel directly (as I understand the text), the fuel amount will clearly have a conversion rate applied to it (for things to be in balance).

I'm wondering what that conversion rate would be.

[twin sequoia]

I didn´t realize that. It is a good intermediate step, just 1 cycle delay

[tawdry plank]

Does anyone know to to redeem fuel crates? You were able to do it at fuel exchange before. Now I can't find anything like that.

[vestal raft]

found it... it's here...

[tribal zealot]

rip....to OW runs with land

[mortal mural]

you claim that share ( ETH share) as fuel.

how much you burn doesnt translate to the fuel you get anymore. if we get low sales in fuel. you get even less fuel than what you burn to get a share of that. if we somehow get more fuel sales than what we burned, than we get probably buy more fuel than the amount that we burned.

you getting a share of 5% of revdis of fuel sales.

[vocal pasture]

How does one with a land get fuel for OW runs now?

Get dust eth from revdis, and then use it to buy unified fuel?

[radiant sky]

Yea, thats it

[vocal pasture]

mmmmmmmmm

any estimation on how much fuel for the runs? Apart from the autodrone thing?

its costs around $0,01 per fuel....wondering how much will we get from burning, and how does that translate into fuel buying capability

[tawdry plank]

Stage 3 run is now 899

Stage 1 is 24 and stage 2 149

[vocal pasture]

what? 9 bucks for a stage 3 run???

that means with a T4 I should get 36 bucks of eth per month....if assuming a T4 should finance a T3 run per week

dont see that happen

[mortal mural]

you can no longer assumer that. it is tied now to the amount of fuel sales first

[tawdry plank]

You'll get more valuable illuvials now, but yeah

[mortal mural]

you cant assume you can finance runs with lands, unless you get ore data on fuel sales.

[vocal pasture]

it seems to be a fixed price for fuel. 500 fuel, 4.99$

[tawdry plank]

in theory

[mortal mural]

it is a fixed priced but you wont get a fixed amount of $$$ per fuel burned

[vocal pasture]

That was the initial promise to the idiots like me that bought lands....

[mortal mural]

even if you burn 90% total share. if fuel sales during that period is 0.1 eth you will be getting 0.1 * 0.05 * 0.9

[vocal pasture]

True....but i wont expect 40 ish bucks monthly even burning everythig I produce in a maxed t4

[mortal mural]

yup. i m not expecting any significant returns from zero for now.

[vocal pasture]

Exactly. So now not only I dont get any revdis (as never did) but I also cannot even finance my own play. After paying 5k bucks for a "land" that was supposed to allow that, at least

[mortal mural]

i even payed super high prices during auction

[vocal pasture]

for now, and since inception lol

But at least it should finance auto playing....

[mortal mural]

even if you buy now i dont think you can finance your runs.

[vocal pasture]

I know....it gets worse lol

[mortal mural]

assume fuel sale = fuel burnt

even then is kinda sad but well...

[vocal pasture]

i guess no one knows anyting

Its like central bankers, but in crypto

"we adjust by the data"

[mortal mural]

imma stop talking about this now. everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[vocal pasture]

$2k a week?

holy f**k

is THAT bad?

[raw garden]

We can’t send Fuel to account?

[vocal pasture]

...

[radiant sky]

Yes

[mortal mural]

i always get confused on affirmations of negatives. (im not english native)

but im assuming you said we cant send fuel to account.

[radiant sky]

Yes

Lol

Yes, you can not send fuel

[mortal mural]

its so weird. is that that correct way? cant we say. "We can’t send Fuel to account?" " no, you cant send fuel to account anymore"

thats how we go in my native language

[radiant sky]

Easy to Check.
Assume you asked
"Can i send fuel to overworld?" -> Answer: no

If you ask
" I can not send to overworld, right?" -> answer: yes

[mortal mural]

this is much clearer. i was just thinking the same.

[radiant sky]

Most languages work that Way, even my mothertongue.
People simply Make wrong statements, but they are so used to it the other one understands it 😄

[vocal pasture]

😄

[radiant sky]

People don't use that Word?

[mortal mural]

we say mother tongue in my mother tongue

i think it is mostly a latin languages

[vocal pasture]

literally translated yes, we call native language "mothertongue". :P. It may be latin-based. I think the anglosaxonic call it "native language"

Tongue = lingua (in portuguese) = language. So it has two meanings (the organ and the language)

ehehhe

[mortal mural]

i getting primary school flashbacks.

[vocal pasture]

First time I heard of a country named Peru, when I was a kid, I thought it was Turkey. Because Peru IS portuguese for Turkey (the bird) 😛

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/peru-machu-picchu-inca-history-landmark-gif-1414814191913366431

[opal thistle]

You talking about the Nazca lines? The huge drawings?

Yeah they are on the desert at sea level.....impressive as hell those aliens do cool stuff

[mortal mural]

weird looking bird though.

[opal thistle]

That's supposed to be a humming bird

[vocal pasture]

looks like a hummingbird

🙂

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-birds-humming-bird-sap-flower-gif-7841627

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/10points-gryffindor-richard-harris-albus-dumbledore-wizard-gif-12480951

[opal thistle]

Cool fact the monkey eyes meme is from an old Peruvian kids show

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-oh-my-monkey-puppet-surprise-gif-7244010

[lyric lodge]

Hi there...do you know what rewards are coming for zero players and when ?

[lyric lodge]

Thanks what if our plots already leveled up ? Is it just based on resources ?

[radiant sky]

I don't know.
Possible it's just a Standard sentence to Hype up and it is more about burning fuel or so science Stuff.

But also you get exp while farming Ressources and the Max lvl CAP has been lifted

[lyric lodge]

Ah thanks

[copper falcon]

i want those rewards, would be cool looking forward to seing details on this

[pseudo pulsar]

Better bp rates ? Seems !

[last tiger]

So there's no point in getting more lands to increase your profits T4s will absorb all

[twin sequoia]

there is no change in the % contribution of a tier. The higher the tier, the less plots available. It will depend on how many are active ... as always was

[foggy sage]

So how do we like this change?

Any one notice path bonus is capped at 19%

[iron laurel]

Mine is not. Send in a bug report to them along with your Plot number that you are having an issue on.

[foggy sage]

So to be clear zero no longer can give me the fuel needed to do runs directly i need to burn furl then wait then with my div share buy the unified fuel

[radiant sky]

yes

[foggy sage]

Man what a ride we land holders truly are worth zero

https://tenor.com/view/nada-none-nothing-zip-zilch-gif-11085744036229003402

Ohhhh okay well hopefully they fix but if not whatever

Dont expect anything from this anymore 9 dollars a run is nuts

Either safe to say land owners got 0% chance to make any return or even fund their runs

[last tiger]

I have 4 T2 ATM 2 max out and I was thinking of grabbing 1 or 2 T3s

[foggy sage]

Does fusing cost 50 dollars now?

[last tiger]

Very sad

If I would get 10 dollars per week I would be happy but it seems Farfetched

Yeah there's a lot of trash Illuvials, we should have a burn mechanic for them

I heard something about that

[foggy sage]

Yea i didnt play even with these low prices now the game cost 1000% more for the same stuff i for sure wont be playing now lol

[manic ginkgo]

The marketplace button on the updated web page takes you to the Buy Fuel page, not the actual marketplace. Please fix

[twin sequoia]

that agrees with my T1 & T2 numbers, but seems inflated on T3 and T4 (without landmark). Without path bonus, it should be ~549 for T3 (75x6+27x22/6) and 1548 for T4 (150x9+54x22/6), right?

[twin sequoia]

All my plots with 20% now are 19%. Already reported it, although didn´t told all the numbers, it seemed something general

[stiff skiff]

How much is the income per week? Thanks just to understand how much will be the 5%... Thanks

[twin sequoia]

We will know after each week xD. But will be very low for the moment, until player base increase. Last 2 months were less than 3k but fuel prices were ridiculously low. last months of 2024 was qutie higher, but not much anyway. But now fuel is also needed to buy D1sk and cosmetic, that wasn´t the case before. And ADR is another plus.

First cycle ends on the 2nd, we will know soon.

981k fuel burn ATM. Is it a lot? Is it a little?

[tropic echo]

So as a new person who just bought a T2 plot. Was this a waste? It seems like there's not much I can do to make any money back.

[iron laurel]

Welcome to Illuvium.
I don't know how much of a return we will see, it really depends on how many players Illuvium brings in. Right now there are basically two ways to potentially profit off of land.

The first is by burning fuel. Active landowners will receive 5% of all Illuvium revenue paid out to them in ETH. That will be distributed based on how big of a percentage you contributed to the overall pool. So if we got paid $100 and you contributed 1% you would get $1.

The second way is by making skins. These skins can then be sold on the marketplace.

[quiet hare]

We can’t sell fuel anymore, just use it ?

[iron laurel]

Fuel is burned. We can no longer use it or sell it on the open market.

[quiet hare]

So we can only use it to fuse or do automated drone runs?

[iron laurel]

No, it is burned. Not used at all. Go to this announcement and read Fuel Migration. It will do a better job explaining it.
#📣〕announcements message

[tropic echo]

So when we burn it, it'll just go into a pool where the amount we burn is then returned to us in a dividend pretty much based off how much of the pool we contributed to?

[iron laurel]

Yes. Right above your post you will see a link to announcements. You can read more about how it works there. 🙂

[mortal smelt]

So what happened to all my fuel that I had sent to ow and that was in my stockpile? Will it be changed to something else or did I just lose out on all those months of work?

Can you translate that to English please

[iron laurel]

It was converted at 89:1 (basically fuel price went up) but I think even for land fuel we can ask for an ETH refund. We will have more details about that soon. Hopefully tomorrow. When all details are available it will be in announcements.

[mortal smelt]

So where is this unified fuel?

Feel like a game within a game within a game rn

Last place I would have thought to check, glad everything is so easy to spot

[lyric lodge]

So we cannot use our land fuel for ADR ?

So we cannot use fuel from zero fir runs anymore ? Even ADR ....what's the use of fuel then ? On zero

[gentle grove]

U burn fuel for a % of the rev depending on how much u burn

[tardy falcon]

Yah no more transfer to account
Just burn ur fuel and buy fuel from whatever eth u get from burning

[wheat flume]

whats the "maximum" of Fuel you can produce in a cicle with a T1, T2, T3 or T4 land?

[neat condor]

How do I convert my land resources to fuel?

[lyric lodge]

So does the eth get sent to wallet straight away ? And then we also get rewarded that 5 percent for burning fuel ?

[wheat flume]

but how is eth even been bought? For the Moment Fuel can only be bought with Fiat, thus, is sent Fiat to wallet, or will illuvium transform Fiat into Eth and then distribute 5%?

[vivid cipher]

No.

Example: How Your Fuel Burn Affects Your Earnings

Let’s say there are 1,000 total landholders, and during a single cycle:
Total Fuel burned across all land plots = 100,000 Fuel
Landholder A burns = 1,500 Fuel
Landholder B burns = 500 Fuel

How the 5% Revenue Share Works:
If the total revenue from Fuel sales that cycle is 1,000 ETH, then 5% of that is 50 ETH set aside for landholders.

Landholder A burned 1.5% (1,500/100,000) of all Fuel → They receive 0.75 ETH from the pool.

Landholder B burned 0.5% (500/100,000) of all Fuel → They receive 0.25 ETH from the pool.

Key Takeaways:
Your Fuel Burn % relative to all landholders determines your ETH payout.

Your ETH is distributed automatically at the end of each cycle.

Copied from here. https://illuvium.io/news/fuel-migration-what-you-need-know

[lyric lodge]

Ok so how does it work then ?

[vivid cipher]

You get eth based on how much of the total burned fuel burnt during the cycle you burnt. It’s a percentage of the 5%.

The more Fuel you burn, the more ETH you earn.

[vivid cipher]

Are you certain the crypto transactions don’t work? I was one step away from confirming a purchase using eth on imx.

Converting whatever to eth does sound very likely.

[sudden zinc]

and where can I see the Leaderboard?

[vivid cipher]

I don’t think it’s live yet.

[quiet ocean]

So we receive an amount of eth when we burn fuel at the end of the cycle?correct?

[vivid cipher]

Yes

[quiet ocean]

We have any notification about?

[vivid cipher]

we receive an amount of eth after the end of the cycle when we burn fuel during the cycle

[vivid cipher]

What do you mean exactly?

[quiet ocean]

I mean an notification on our profile

Which receive eth

[vivid cipher]

Like “here’s the eth you received this cycle”

I think there’s still going to be another article that will cover some of these details.

[quiet ocean]

Yes something like that

[vivid cipher]

I don’t have those details yet

[quiet ocean]

If the total revenue from fuel sales is...can you explain me that?

But we dont sale fuel anymore

[vivid cipher]

Illuvium is selling fuel to make revenue.

has been and continues to do so.

[quiet ocean]

Aha not from players

[vivid cipher]

Not the land owners selling.

[quiet ocean]

Ok understand

Ty

[quiet ocean]

Also with burn we recieve the new fuel

[vivid cipher]

No. The fuel is burnt. It is gone. Land owners are not able to move fuel to their OverWorld accounts.

[quiet ocean]

Only we buy

[vivid cipher]

They can get a portion of the eth that paying players are giving to illuvium.

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Once the eth is in hand after the cycle ends, it would be a reasonable time to buy fuel if that is what a land owner wanted to do.

[quiet ocean]

Where i can see the period of cycle?

[vivid cipher]

I hear it’s in the zero game. But can’t confirm at the moment.

I’d assume it would be where the fuel burn UI is.

I did see some feedback given that a countdown to the end of the cycle would be a good feature to add.

00:00utc Sunday (or what ever date/time it is… not as friendly)

[jaunty rain]

this already exists

[radiant sky]

just the already gathered revenue for this cycle is missing 🙂

[harsh dew]

Here is the report tracking Fuel purchase.
One wallet represent 39.19% : 0x355c399b3b6068fcaeed022c871a4e855393d391

[rose thicket]

Linkky, do you have any thoughts on a report that can track the overall DAO revenue or give some type of forward guidance? The Stripe fiat will likely become the largest pipeline of new revenue, so this might be a futile exercise unless that could be solved for.

[harsh dew]

If you could find/bring me the data and I will create the report

[harsh dew]

What is the DAO wallet ? 👀

[rose thicket]

https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0xba085e0a14801c8c7a919a90304e75cabb7e3917

To my knowledge, labs has not disclosed its cash position outside of the burn report. This was stated in an AMA with Kieran late last year. I have encouraged the IMC/ICC to request for this disclosure and transparency. My guess is is EP-1 will create unclarity/certainty by end of May because implementation and communication will be a brutal challenge for Labs.

[harsh dew]

I'm sure understanding 100% of the situation and by end of May because implementation and communication will be a brutal challenge for Labs.

[rose thicket]

Only response: #1346770169871073311 message

I have illustrated they do not understand the second and third-order effects of reconciling the fuel burn. They dismiss it, just like the dismiss my warning of how the 19:1 exchange of fuel units would prove to be a disaster three days post-mainnet launch. EP-1 will be an absolute nightmare for them to execute. They cannot even reconcile past Beyond sales with a straight 5% distribution to Landholders.

[harsh dew]

Ok, I see what you mean now. You see lack of knowledge from the accounting side right, so lack of transparency ?

[rose thicket]

Yes, it is pathetic.

I have been pounding the table since the Epoch 10 elections that the DAO needs to receive more financial reporting transparency. Then February rolls around and we see 50% headcount cuts and "emergency proposal" that essentially is a means of theft of property rights for the largest stakers in the IP (landholders who bought with sILV...ie. previous stakers of ILV).

[radiant sky]

ya, we need a good looking revenue dashboard.

[rose thicket]

Would the only path be an IIP with overwhelming show of support by the community?

[radiant sky]

i doubt that.
The timeline is set by labs for new implementations, so if they don't want to implement due to whatever reasons, an IIP won't change that.

[rose thicket]

Exactly.

[tall crypt]

I burned 3000 fuel and I sared 0,262%. 1,140.000 fuel was burned at now. 27 milions of fuel for Illuvium. If Illuvium collect 10000$ I will receipt 1.31$ My strategy should be to systematically sell 50% of the fuel in each cycle, sell 25% in the following 4 cycles, and sell the remaining 25% when the fuel supply decreases. The reinvestment plan for the proceeds should be to accumulate USDC and buy BTC when it drops to $30,000–$40,000.

[real ice]

how you can see share off total fuel burn? why i can't see on my plot

[jaunty rain]

idk i can only post what i see. maybe you didnt burn furl so far?

[rose thicket]

dont forget your are being paid in this shit

[radiant sky]

click the 3 bars

[tall crypt]

Must entry to illuvium zero play

[radiant sky]

click burn fuel

should then see that

[tall crypt]

It's a great virtuous event that they pay in exchange for the shit.

[real ice]

oh ok i see thanks

[rose thicket]

so what happens when you burn your fuel, it takes them 90-180 days to finally finish the accounting (its all manual at this stage) and send over ETH that continues to weaken against the general market?

[tall crypt]

Megacity 2x2 tier 4 only 100? Do You begin now?... I'm in FOMO total. Market land stop to down. I retire all my 71 sell orders of tier1 land.

[radiant sky]

i have to look into how to get total revenue numbers.
I'm not just blindly burning fuel, especially for the first cycle now.

[tall crypt]

Can You explain this 90-180 days?

[harsh dew]

So in fact, we could almost determine what is the % value of Share of Total Fuel Burned if we know the Total Revenue for Land Owner.

Where can I track those information ? I plan on doing an elaborated Dashboard for that. Help me here community! 🚀

[radiant sky]

i guess a part you can track with the eth wallet (should be pinned in #💰〕token )
But all the stripe stuff, you most likely have to kindly ask the team to get some data.

but idk... not a pro in that kinda stuff

maybe @whole spear can help you out or connect you with the right people

[harsh dew]

I already colllected all pinned link, just need to have a better visualisation and understanding of the global view / the situation

[rose thicket]

This is my speculative forecast of how EP-1 will play out. I assume since they cannot reconcile something as simple as Beyond sales that are all on-chain, then they are going to struggle mightily when you introduce off-chain units of account (fuel), mix it with payments that are both crypto and fiat, then weight it against other contributors (percent of fuel burnt), and then manually execute "claims" for each wallet. We have no coherent explanation how they are going to actually execute this aligned with proper transparency on revenue for each period (monthly).

This is WAY more granular or complicated in my mind than past airdrops or rewards to execute.

[harsh dew]

Does the link of
(Here’s the IMX wallet with the revenue tokens received from the Fuel Exchange. )
is no more in use due to the new Fuel system ?

https://immutascan.io/address/0x2208850ea5569617d5350f8cf681031102c1d931?tab=0

[tall crypt]

It's that simple: if sales in each cycle are $6000, $300 goes to the landowners, if you have a 0.1% share you will receive $0.30

[rose thicket]

it is not that simple because you are now moving into "acrual" and not "cash-based" accounting. You have carryover of revenue between periods because of credit card payments will not settle for 72-96 hours that will become a significant % of the revenue. This is the most simple tactical issue to explain, but there are countless other issues.

[radiant sky]

have you seen:
#💰〕token message

[rose thicket]

I guess you could round off and let the DEO or Labs "scrab the rounding" if you would like. Give them the unsettled revenue post a cut off date like the 27th of the month.

how are you going deal with all of the various fees...like VISA versus AMEX versus PayPal? these do not settle instantly. None of these details are being dealt with yet, but they will cause issues.

[harsh dew]

Maybe the cycle should me more like twice a month.
2/month instead of 1/week ?

[rose thicket]

Add in recurring "memberships" like the ~$10/mo "gamepass" concept with the renewal of dues being paid all throughout the month. Landholders will be incentivized to time their burns around the most common billing periods like the 1st, 10th, or end of the month.

Players like @harsh dew could easily over 12 months make 2x burning the same quantity of fuel if he can forecast accurately when the revenue settles and is accounted for in each burn.

This will PISS off the other landholders (ILV holders) once it becomes apparent and drive the value Land NFTs down.

I am stating all of this now. I did the same for the 19:1 "non-fungible fuel unit derivative" that was created by people who had no freaking idea how market making works. And the fact we were told that an NFT store built by IMX years ago in a primitive DeFi era would create a "free market economy." A true DEX was not created, never properly funded with a liquidty pool, and orderly market making was never established despite the naming of IlluviDEX. This was bound to fail from the start. This was either incompetence, inconsideration, or at worse deception. Now we derive some stupid ass 89:1 transition unit based on top of this house of cards when fuel is being sold in a zero demand environment because the rest of the interoperable universe does not function.

[harsh dew]

I guess the only way will be manually with those data

[harsh dew]

Is this something live with the Add in recurring "memberships" like the ~$10/mo "gamepass" ?

[twin sequoia]

Interesting new T4 floor price

[viscid bolt]

Isn't the revenue about 1 eth (so I heard) per week, so the revenue should be much less, ie $1848 (the value of eth as of right now), which would bring your share to... 0.050.00061$1848 = $0.056 for a hard weeks' work, and that is if you continue burning through April 2 at the same rate to keep the 0.061% proportion. They should add the following numbers to the interface: (1) current revenue of the cycle, (2) current value of your share (0.05Share of Total Fuel Burnedcurrent revenue)

[twin sequoia]

IDK if players of guild of guardians and ravenquest also ask developers for all this information. Anyway, I think that should be argued in another channel about finances ,etc. It was boring when people posted all scanned or researched BP, but speculating about what will be the revenue is even worse 😂 😭

[harsh dew]

#💰〕token this can be the place, I guess

[worthy rover]

Can a megacity be just 2 adjacent plots or does it have to be at least a 2x2 square?

[radiant sky]

?zero-megacity

[lethal wyvern]

What are megacities in Illuvium: Zero?

Megacities allow adjacent plots that make up a 2x2 or 3x3 square to be combined to form one larger plot.

The expected benefits of a mega-city are:

• the ability to share landmark bonuses between plots,
• the ability to share resources between plots with no transfer cost (in either time or resources)
• the ability to share support buildings like the Engineering Lab resulting in increased available space.

Megacities are not currently available in Illuvium: Zero and a specific date for their implementation has not been announced.

[worthy rover]

Oh ok thx

[viscid bolt]

I just got this blueprint, thought you would like to know 🤣

[harsh dew]

Yes, thx it's where i'm gathering data from that report.

[twin sequoia]

Gratz, I only have this fro Phyri

@whole spear has this blog been released? I think I didn´t see it

[radiant sky]

No

Afaik we waiting on imc approval

[hazy hinge]

so now its not possible anymore to use our own fuel in overworld, right? We have to burn it and receive revenu and buy it back. But if the revenu is really low, those who want to use their own fuel are fcked? or am I mistaken?