🎮〕illuvium-zero

[rotund forum]

My first T5 scanned 🥳

[thorny crater]

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[burnt viper]

is there a fuel cost to crafting?

[timber sapphire]

We don't even have megacity feature, multiplayer base protection and attacking is maybe for 2030 ish

[timber sapphire]

Yes in Solon I think

But the more you craft the less exclusive it gets

[rotund forum]

If you find a blueprint and you sell it (once they can be minted) you can never find it again on that same plot?

[burnt viper]

I hope we can opt out of this base war and getting attacked. Imagine stressing so much when your fuel income is getting looted while u sleep lmao

meanwhile DAO continue to print fuel and not getting base attacked lmao

damn stakers

[rotund forum]

probably can buy a shield... like in heroes of mavia.

[burnt viper]

yeah, I left heroes of mavia to join zero

[timber sapphire]

I'm buying a permanent shield then and sell

[thorny crater]

fyi i love the game and what yall have done. this was just feed back i got from friend, boss, coworkers, and my experience all combined into one

[rotund forum]

so basically you don´t want them to rob your fuel, so you will pay fuel voluntarily for a shield 🤪

Nah tbh I think you can opt out. Not all will be charmed by getting your land robbed. You did not sign up for a battle game, but for an builder game. I think that forcing that on zero players would create too much blowback

[foggy bison]

Just curious, how built up was it? How much do you think you'll have to do to it to make it your own?

[burnt viper]

yeah, i prefer zero to remain industrial complexes with different building that supports players, instead of a stressful game

[timber sapphire]

Holy I need to keep an eye on the marketplace huh

[barren ore]

good question. any buildings bugged?

[rotund forum]

all the blueprints look the same. They could use the corresponding silhouette, no? Or will that be inplemented later when they can actually be minted?

I vaguely remember them having the silhouette before

[tardy falcon]

tbh I think the are still a work in progress. They looked different during alpha also...

Fuel is too stable now XD
I need more cheap fuel

[rotund forum]

you won´t get it from me. I have been trying to crank the price up, and although it takes longer I notice that in the end everything sells. The ones selling still at bottom are robbing themselves.

[tardy falcon]

yep... eventually in the next couple days all the surplus from the first few weeks will be gone and price will stay consistently high. They will have to bump back up production sooner rather than later.

[rotund forum]

0.0000018 already again

i think originally it was 0.0000026?

and it went all the way to below 0.0000006

[tardy falcon]

yes that's upper rail 26

[stoic rapids]

yep

[tardy falcon]

gimme more 06 please I need to craft some things XD

[rotund forum]

solon does seem to sell the fastest, but all sells in 24h. But I see in the ledger a lot are still selling cheap

[unborn pilot]

Does anyone know what the sort order is for land on the Plots screen? It's very confusing

[tardy falcon]

yah it gets bought up fst... I'm just waiting till i se some cheap and will try to snipe crumbs

[unborn pilot]

Doesn't seem to be by Plot ID, coords, level, or anything else that I can tell at least

[stoic rapids]

dunno why they don't just let buyers put in limit orders

[rotund forum]

none. Have complained about this from day 1. Now you do have a filter for the different tiers though but that is it

[unborn pilot]

So it's just completely random? Yeah I mean it's been a big pain point for me as well having multiple lands to scroll through

[tardy falcon]

would be nice

[thorny crater]

Honeslty pretty built up lol. Give me a few minutes and I’ll give you a pick

[stoic rapids]

well, I know why - it doesn't fit with the weird bonus fuel UI

I guess they're trying to psychologically anchor buyers to the top rail of fuel price

[thorny crater]

Not going all out like I did on my original plots or t3. Keep one builder. I’m thinking for future rentals

[rotund forum]

i might be wrong but i think when i imported it from passport back into cold storage... that is the order that it maintained. Should have tried one by one first T1´s etc...

[thorny crater]

So I don’t want to make level it fast haha

[unborn pilot]

Oh hmm I see

[thorny crater]

I look every day haha

Haven’t even got on ow yet and I got 22 mins to finish todays dailies

[rotund forum]

maybe sending them to another wallet and then back in the order you want would work... but I am too chicken to try that again

[thorny crater]

Ain’t happen captain

[thorny crater]

I changed up the road and build two power stations so far lol

5 min for a plant with one builder is so hard. Do i get this plant for resources or another power sation to make % the lement sites

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-sure-what-to-do-with-my-hands-ricky-bobby-will-ferrell-talladega-nights-confused-gif-21688469

[stuck vine]

What price to day? Why price of land is still down so much

[thorny crater]

From what I understand a temporary fuel nerf

[hexed abyss]

So the average fuel sell price is 1/3 ($0.0023/solon) of buy price? Otherwise fuel doesn't sell... I still don't get why the land-owners have to compete with each other to sell at a loss while fuel Buy price is set? Can anyone from illuvium explain this reasoning?

[burnt viper]

sounds like the house wins with their abritrage bot

[foggy bison]

Nice! The T1 I bought a week ago was around Level 45, and IMO had way too may converters on it already, maybe from a previous build? I sold half the buildings and was on my way. Have fun!

[timber sapphire]

They dont have to, but some do and if everyone keeps doing it prices won't go up

[thorny crater]

honeslty...idk why this person sold it

even the levels are kinda high

Im on my 3rd power station. I did see that all the fuel and resources were reset

that must be the norm

[foggy bison]

The elements were at 0 too?
Now that I have a little more experience with the T1, maybe a T2 is in my future?

[thorny crater]

oh no sorry the elements were all 2500

even

[unborn pilot]

What scales the resources gained from clearing plants? Is it nexus level?

[thorny crater]

I thought plants helped get blue prints but they just give resources

but the plamt dome thing for nohting lol. its for future use not ready to use yet

the plant dome thingy

Podarium*

[stuck vine]

What price to day? Why price of land is still down so much

[thorny crater]

T2 are a big jump in power too

t3 is a banger tho i cant even image a t4

[olive crescent]

Can anyone share how they find a player to make contact about a land plot deal?

I really need to speak with this player. . . We are both building mega cities and we both hold each others cornerstones. They both happen to be T-4's. He sniped me during the land sale and then I sniped him back. I want to find him before MC's go live.

Thanks everyone!

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/Ginnungagap

This YouTube creator did a video on it. Its a crazy story!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14a4q4SqVg

[lunar shell]

I have an hyperion extractor that has been stopping production frequently and doesn't progress. Anyone knows how to fix it or is it a bug? Alredy tried moving powerplants around and even leveling up, but nothing seems to work.

[thorny crater]

This happened to me to, i reported it but please do another one if you have time.

I solved it by canceling the job, making sure my power station was there so it has enough power, then starting it again. lost some resources but it started working again.

I was moving buildings a took to many power stations

[vapid jolt]

wild, very cool lol

[vapid jolt]

Curious on how you found the player?

[lunar shell]

i think i have tried that and usually doesn't work. Last time i level it up, started working and then stopped again... 😦
Will report it

[olive crescent]

Pure luck just surfing around before I gave up and went to bed. . . It was such a crazy weekend!

All I did was look around for players building MC's and snipe them for leverage..... It wasn't until the land was about to go on sale before I realized it was the same dude that got me a few hours before.

[vapid jolt]

wild

[olive crescent]

Its been a long two years and I still have to find him and make a swap. . . Looking for any help I can get making this happen! Cheers m8!

[slim topaz]

Are they ever going to fix the non-loading/frozen plots? I think it’s now going on 5 or 6 weeks of lands being entirely unplayable.

[vapid jolt]

As in you know who he is, just don't have a way to contact him just yet?

[slim topaz]

Is this a thing or am I totally screwed at this point. I get nothing from support

I feel like I’ve been complete;y abandoned by this game after putting in a ton of $ and time.

[stoic rapids]

can you send a note to his wallet address?

[olive crescent]

I only know his player name from the DEX...

[vapid jolt]

I've sent a message to a Mod, it might be similar to this issue here: #💬〕general message

[spice vector]

What's your ticket number?

[olive crescent]

Can you show me how to do that?

[vague summit]

Too expensive, too many ignored issues, gone.

Is it even worth renting land though now, with the massive 75% fuel nerf? And off chain fuel? (Not a big deal)

[stoic rapids]

this guy right? thats his address under his name

[slim topaz]

57277 has the list of the 3 plots that I have that are frozen

[olive crescent]

I am also having 4 of 5 lands that load but don't show up anymore. . . I have a ticket #59852

[vapid jolt]

Would be curious to hear more about your opinion here if you have the time to do so ofc

[olive crescent]

Yes that is him but how to message him?

[slim topaz]

Thank you so much!

[spice vector]

I'll get some details when I wake up - communication will be through the ticket 🙂

[slim topaz]

Thanks!!! This is the first actual response I’ve gotten on this.

[weak sedge]

is Illuvium Zero economy working and can you play with your own land already??

[hexed abyss]

Once fuel solos become full, land-owners are forced to sell. I just don't understand the logic - to make land-owners compete with each other on Sell price only. A fair/free-market would be both the Sell and Buy price change together, supply and demand. Not just Sell side 😂

[sage bough]

Define working

[weak sedge]

you can produce, sell and use in the main game

[hexed abyss]

Actually true. Rather than supply and demand free-market (both Sell & Buy adjust equally), it's more like casino tactics... But I should add that the Buyer (OW player) gets the benefit (the difference in Buy and Sell price), not illuvium.

[sage bough]

Yes you can produce, and you can sell if you do a little digging to find the current price. Don't think you can use your own fuel in Overworld yet

[weak sedge]

how about use the actul purchased land?

[sage bough]

Yes purchased land works

[stoic rapids]

Im not sure if you can on ImmutableX. you could try sending him a cheap illuvial or something, and paste your own address into one of your "help me find this guy" messages here on discord so if he wonders whats up and searches discord for your wallet number he can find you

[burnt viper]

mint a NFT image with a message and send it to their wallet

[vapid jolt]

I'll try and see later if I can find this person somehow to help you

[fervent slate]

The bug on my land has not been fixed for a long time.
It has been sitting there for over 3 weeks now.
Is the support team functional?

[random siren]

you sniping? so you reap what you sow 🤣

[olive crescent]

No my friend... I was sniped and my sniper reaped what he had sown. 😎

[foggy bison]

My beloved T1 - finally!

[olive crescent]

I will try this, thanks so much for the idea!

[olive crescent]

It is a good idea and couldn't hurt anthing. I will try this also. Thanks m8!

[olive crescent]

I am very grateful for any effort on my behalf. Thanks to you all!

[random siren]

"All I did was look around for players building MC's and snipe them for leverage"

[olive crescent]

That is my response to the question asked of me bro....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14a4q4SqVg

[random siren]

I see, I will give a go to try and find him

[olive crescent]

Thanks very much! Anything you can do I really appriciate it m8! It made a good story but I really want to make a trade before they get Mega Cities rolling out. Thanks again!

[random siren]

The guy owns so much land

[olive crescent]

Oh yeah, he is a whale for sure! I see him building MC's so I imagine he would want to make this trade with me but all his lands are unlisted so I can't even make him an offer or get his attention. . . I don't even know if a trade or swap is possible ... Maybe offer each other .00001 ETH but, really unsure how this would even work without communicating with him.

[thorny crater]

my sells

im still growing tho lol

those "X"s are canceled orders

used for t1 runs lol

they upped stage 2 and 3 mons for sure

[prime loom]

Hey guys, I'm on the secondary wallet land transfer article and it says the following:

If you move your land to your secondary wallet, the following assets will persist:
Resources (Carbon, Silicon, Hydrogen)
Buildings
Builders
Credits (Credits are account-wide currency)
Plot Level

...So if I understand correctly fuel might be lost? Or does it count as a resource

[tardy falcon]

Fuel sale orders and amounts have slowed down. Fuel market is stabilized. However, there will soon be a new problem... undershortage. I suspected they overshot the target to make sure supply was squeezed... and then could release the valve after getting things under control. Question is... how long will it be before increasing fuel production for plots?

[subtle frost]

How come what I sell and my total eth doesn't seem to add up correctly?

How come my ETH total and all the transaction that were completed doesn't add up to the amount of ETH i got. I seems less

is it?

It should be $7.30

how come it only shows $2.64

why the difference?

I guess that is why..

It sold at $0.69? I only receive $0.23

the chart is so confusing

Whyh they even show me 0.69 when I don't get 0.69

if I am not getting 69 I don't want to see it

man if I sell 200 fuel each day it will take me 15 years to make 1 ETH

at the current market price

[tardy falcon]

Wait a second... If you buy fuel with silv2 do you not get a bonus?

[barren barn]

No bonus last I checked

[tardy falcon]

That's whack... yah I just got it confirmed there is no bonus for silv2... Should be posted so people don't spend a bunch and expect bonus but get nada

Fk now I have to go jump thru passport hoops

I hate passport

[upper cloud]

its been weeks they havent fixed this yet

how can i extract i dont even have hydrogen lake

the daily quest shud be expiring

https://tenor.com/view/nich-bad-nft-gif-23770085

[mossy sorrel]

your plot doesn't allow for you to complete that quest, you can either get a plot that has hydrogen, or play the free plot for quest

[tranquil citrus]

Hi normally I have always harvested 600 hyperion with my Land now all of a sudden only 150 ? I haven't changed anything that now goes off? I have a leveled t4 land

That means I now earn 25% of what I earned before. That's really rubbish🤣 this t4 land is no longer profitable now.

From 30$ per day to 7$ per day for a 20k $ land

So the developers are really good at making the game maximally unattractive for the players.

[twilit bough]

Yeah...

[twilit bough]

There is a channel on this. they have a fix for the next patch. But they are mostly in Holliday so next patch won't be before Sept

[noble willow]

hey all, at home on painkillers so my brain isn't going so well. I've looked but can't find any details for megacities stuff, anyone want to hook me up?

[twilit bough]

It doesn't exist yet

[lethal wyvern]

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[foggy sage]

How is fuel dping now that we had a weekend

[vapid jolt]

Sent you a friend req mate

[stuck vine]

Price of the land down every day

1000u land 2 of my will be going trash

No any see the info or update some think form the dev team

[whole spear]

Negative ser

I'm holding the pin

[random siren]

could they have made the fuel exchange anymore confusing 🤣

[subtle frost]

they fooling me

[random siren]

i havent even tried selling fuel yet, not sure i even wanna try

maybe that is the point lol

[rapid tartan]

just listed if youre interested, i think its one of the best t3 plots ive ever seen with all the crypton

[tame pine]

Hi guys! What is the fact in the zero_ I found one just I don't know what is it or how I can use.

[hearty cedar]

No you cant, i have the same problem but with carbon, none of that on my plot, have plenty in my f2p plot. I have finished 5 daylies i 3 weeks and my nexus is at 8. on my T1. What game in the world doesnt reset its daylies?

[vivid cipher]

It’s just a little nugget of info. Not really used in any way

[tame pine]

ohhh, okey, thanks

[hearty cedar]

Doesnt facts make it easier to scan for that illivial the fact is from?

[tame pine]

and how I to make blueprints then? I get fact and I didn't see any option to select blueprint

[serene iris]

I think a fuel leaderboard might be fun! So we can complete to create the most fuel!

[vivid cipher]

You’ll need to research again.

Not every research will produce a blueprint. Most don’t.

[vivid cipher]

I thought facts make it more likely to discover a blueprint. But maybe it’s the other way

[compact nebula]

Same

[upper cloud]

each plot have their own quest

[lost walrus]

Ty for killing tier 1

https://tenor.com/view/there's-no-joy-dylan-slocum-spanish-love-songs-pendulum-song-there's-no-happiness-anymore-gif-10526092416632243820

[timber glacier]

I had the same issue.
Seems to me that the power requirement listed for mines aren't correct, it started working again for me after adding more than the required power.

[unkempt dew]

All my L-Crypton Collider, Anti-Solon Inverter and Hyperion lathe are stuck to 0 and no longer convert passively

[quaint elbow]

we waitin', we claimin'..

https://giphy.com/gifs/web3-illuvium-ilv-HoqatQMBKxfry27LAK

[timber glacier]

They reduced both the amount and the number of cycles.
So for lv4 you won't see any fuel until the bar is 1/4 of the way full.

[tranquil citrus]

That's scam

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[tranquil citrus]

They should introduce a burn mechanism for illuvials with fuel, which would have the advantage for landowners that much more fuel is needed and for the players the advantage that pointless illuvials could be crafted to a better one and thus fewer but higher quality illuvials would be thrown on the market, which would also make the market clearer. Because the market is really flooded with shit. Very confusingWhat is the benefit if the market is permanently infected?
Besides, illuvium zero is also a game. The people who play this game have obviously pulled the complete ass card

Or change the 19-to-1 ratio to 16-to-4 of fuel sold. Instead of fucking the early investors
maximally unattractive t4 land prices dropped from 16k to 6k.

[unkempt dew]

oh ok thanks

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[still wadi]

its only gonna get lower each day

[grand silo]

could not agree more Hamster, we are totally finished

[still wadi]

• the DAO is the main producer of FUEL
• the DAO sells stage 1-3 Overworld runs with FUEL
• the DAO sold big money in land
• land owners earns nothing

[tranquil citrus]

That's a big scam for every landowner

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[amber atlas]

Ultimately the land owners get 5% of revenue. If they don't get it through their Fuel sales then they will be paid out. It has always been this way.
Right now the problem is simply not enough demand.

[burnt viper]

Lol hehe, you get it

[lost walrus]

What about tier 1 land that cannot sell a single fuel as they needed for upgrades...

[burnt viper]

who aren't maxed out and now have bad experience

[burnt viper]

Should have targeted fuel sellers directly by temporary tax or something when selling not all players.

This feels like a punishment to all players due to maxed out t4 and t3s

[amber atlas]

I'm not addressing comments about the experience. That's valid thing to discuss. But saying its a scam and painting a picture where it somehow benefits the DAO and not the land holders is misinformation. The landholders always get 5%.

Definitely valid discuss balance between T1 and T4. Etc.

The (in game) Marketplace is supposed to be there to address this. I hope they will get that out soon.

[feral ginkgo]

We will get 5% revenue when we sell a fuel?? or will get 5% Revenue cause we have land that holds

[amber atlas]

But T1 was always going to have a slow road to upgrade vs higher Tiers.

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/normal-day-lame-tortoise-slow-motion-here-i-come-gif-17090395

[burnt viper]

Your 4x slower now and you need 4 to 6 years for roi enjoy sir

[tranquil citrus]

That will be more better than the running system!!!

[burnt viper]

Meanwhile an investment in ethereum can get you 2x in 6 months to 1 year

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[shut wave]

New scam website. Beware! Its targetting personal emails.

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[burnt viper]

Tons of plans but this will take months to go from planning to getting added

[shut wave]

New scam targetting emails. Beware.

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[tranquil citrus]

Just a bad implementation, good idea of the game, but really bad implementation and economy

[burnt viper]

At the same time, creators are making proposals for more commission for each players they get

I have a feeling, they will ask for it from the dao lol

it will get to the point that stakers are getting cuts due proposals asking more lol

[little moon]

Underrated comment

[timber sapphire]

#🚨❗〕report-scammers

[unreal oak]

guys whats the max level of nexus?

[tranquil citrus]

They milk us like a cash cow

[vagrant heron]

Did you notice that Solon bonus got down to 20% from like 300% before? So the fuel is getting dried up from plots

[tranquil citrus]

I didn't start at the very beginning. Was the bonus really that high at the beginning? Puh😅 it can only get worse by the looks of this🤣

[timber sapphire]

9

[timber sapphire]

What do you mean, it's getting less is what he's saying, how is that worse?

[still wadi]

fuel production, fuel price, land price will continue to go down

[unreal oak]

thanks

[timber sapphire]

How can fuel price and fuel production both go down at the same time? That doesn't make any sense

[burnt viper]

Yeah means that we don't want to end up in a long term spiral, of nerfing lands, and production to maintain fuel price. Its like pump and continue the slow decline

[last tiger]

there's is a bug on hyperion extractors the stop the production out of nothing now i have to wait 18 more hours... 😦

[still wadi]

Thats whats happening

[last tiger]

and its not the first time this happen to me

[turbid plank]

hi guys is level of lands caped to level 201 ? it seems i dont xp/lvl up any more ? other questions about biodata, is their a way to have a better chance than 5% for drone and armor scan thing once you found one ? thanks a lot

[timber sapphire]

I get what knight is saying but what you are saying is not correct. Less bonus means closer price to toprail, hence higher price

[vagrant heron]

Just the fact that people don’t understand what I said proves enough here 😂

[timber sapphire]

Am I close? Or what does it mean?

[vagrant heron]

Didn’t mean you. 😃

I just say 280% bonus drop > 75% Production „nerf“

[last tiger]

don't forget we had some crates to use only in OW LOL

[queen fog]

Is ILV Zero on mainnet now?

Do I need to transfer my plots to a different address to see them?

[low river]

Worse for OW players because they need to pay more to play, better for Zero players

[last tiger]

tier 2 is in the same boat brother

[vagrant heron]

Solon is even 8% bonus now lol

I guess people can spend sILV2 again now

[low river]

What do you mean? Use your IMX passport account to play your lands.

or use your secondary wallet in case you want to protect them with a hardware wallet such as Ledger nano.

[queen fog]

So I linked my Ledger to my passport and can see the lands in my Passport now. But when I launch the game, they dont show in it...

[burnt viper]

Clarification:

only good for zero players who are maxed out and already selling fuel. Very tiny minority.

It's wrong to paint the image that all zero players are better now

[low river]

Did you follow the tutorial on how to link your secondary wallet to your main imx wallet? (Careful with dm’s, people will scam you)

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[low river]

Yeah, for those who are selling fuel is better now than previous days when everything was dumping and we had like 300% bonus

[last tiger]

Selling? I'm still upgrading my stuff and now it will take even longer to doit

[low river]

T4 and some of the t3 are selling, I don’t what tier you own

[tranquil citrus]

I have everything fully leveled and now only earn 6 dollars a day instead of 24 dollars, it's just as shitty

[tall crypt]

no, 12% of profit or least

[queen fog]

Dont think I've done that. Is my IMX wallet my passport wallet and secondary wallet being my Ledger?

[burnt viper]

Passport wallet in illivum is the one that is generated by email to login. Secondary is any extra wallets like ledger

[tranquil citrus]

Completely bad investment 🤣 it would have been better to buy eth for 1700 dollars or solana for 14 dollars 🤣

[winter ivy]

Are you farming with a t3 or a t4?

[tranquil citrus]

T4 🤣🤣🤣🤣

And paid 16k for this land without any yield

Not to mention the 2 years it lay dead

[ivory timber]

Same, my hope is the 8 plots I have surrounding my T4 will make it up wen megacity 🤣

[last tiger]

I know brother it's ok I don't even plan to sell my fuel in the future.. my plan was to upgrade everything and then to stack the fuel to sell at higher prices selling now seems dumb imo

[unreal oak]

what tier of land is this?

[tranquil citrus]

Never forget the fall 🤣

[tranquil citrus]

T4 fully level

[last tiger]

I'm glad at least I didn't pay the pre sale price for my tier 2 but I've paid 1,3 eth

[ivory timber]

Completing last level 6 salon upgrade now then maxed for fuel

[last tiger]

True

[last tiger]

Maybe that's the plan for the long term but we will wait 2 more years who knows

[tall crypt]

With 2u T4 lands and 5u T3 lands I have managed to extract $230 in 25 Days. Taking into account that one T4 is equivalent to 3u T3 lands, I have approximately extracted $0.83 for each T3 and $2.50 for each T4 each day. If I follow these steps and without taking into account the drop in production x4, I will get $915 each year with a T4 valued at $6500, that's 14%. Although I have decided to leave the income in ETH in the hope that it will appreciate in value and obtain additional income with blueprints and fuel converters, I could get 25% a year.

[last tiger]

But that's a big monopoly brother

[tranquil citrus]

200 dollars a month for a t4 land × say 3000 plots. There are 20 000 but therefore I calculate t4 land of which I think there are about 2000. Let's take 3000 x 200= 600 000x 19= 11 400 000 per month because the ratio is 19 to 1. + the landowners have already paid 72 million dollars for the lands and now get 200 dollars a month where the team gets 11 million dollars a month without investment 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[last tiger]

Math ain't mathing

[low river]

In the announcements section there is a tutorial how to link the accounts

[tall crypt]

Well it's not like that. There are 500 T4, 2300 T3, 5400 T2 and 12000 T1. If you get people to spend $100 million, $5 million goes to the landowners. In that case, each T1 land would earn about $80, $240 for T2, $720 for T3 and $2,100 for T4; as long as they were all played.

[tranquil citrus]

Okay with the division of the countries and instead of 11 million 100 million you get a calculation that sounds better 👍.

So I hope they make it. That people spend 100 million a month🤣

[tall crypt]

Anyway, one day the establishment will reset all the lands and we will start again. Changes such as megacities and more nexus levels and fuel extraction will be introduced.

[winter ivy]

I think this reset will happen very soon. Soon soon. 😂 😂

[tranquil citrus]

Soon as possible please 😄

Then I can buy those yellow dots again to speed up my buildings🤣🤣

[uneven pulsar]

)))) but you forgot that the price for land was not 6500. They have decided to do auction and select price by themself. If it was lke 5-10 eth for t4 - OKAY. But they did 60-100 eth for t4.

[tall crypt]

You can buy now With VISA. Or buy other lands and wait airdrop when You ascending levels.

[untold elbow]

Hello guys, im new around here and I started to play Zero weeks ago with a free land.

Do you know what kind of stuff I can sell in my conditions?

Thanks in advance

[tranquil citrus]

I think on average about 12 eth was paid for a t4 land. I got mine relatively cheaply but I also spent hours in the auction. I paid 16 000 usd at the time eth price was about 1700 dollars

[timber sapphire]

For a t2? You got ripped off

[uneven pulsar]

what say 16k you luker

[tranquil citrus]

The first guy bought a t4 land for 170,000 dollars but that was 100% one of the team to push up the prices🤣

[tranquil citrus]

Why luker?🤣

[uneven pulsar]

coz i spent 60)

[wintry owl]

what is the revenue split currently between landowners/tokenholders/DAO?

[tall crypt]

Ha ha ha. Forget about the placement price, we were scammed. We pay a premium for letting ourselves be carried away by emotions. At that time they criticized you, that this is a triple A game... Now in the marketplace:

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[tranquil citrus]

Are you serious? You poor thing. At that price, you have to be even more upset about the current situation. But I was really glued to the screen for 2 days🤣

[queen fog]

Is there any way to rotate buildings or the plot? It looks like my plot has mirrored on the horizontal axes compared to Beta

[tall crypt]

If You payed with SILV2 You had a 30% of discount.

[timber sapphire]

Could be even more if you bought silv2 earlier

[tranquil citrus]

Has everyone done it or🤣.

[timber sapphire]

Well why wouldn't you

[wide garden]

Hey
Can u find plots or can u only buy plots?

[tranquil citrus]

I always talk about eth courses because I have a better overview. I don't remember either the ilv course or the silv2 course.

[tranquil citrus]

Which land do you have and how much did you pay?

We would need 5 million players spending 20 dollars a month to achieve that 🤣 so the 100 million spend. 200 dollars a month 500,000 active players. At the moment we are at 24 000 illuvial owners. The best games on steam have just 500,000 players. If we're lucky, we might get to 50,000 players per month. That would be. 2000 dollars per capita which would be necessary to reach 100 million per month🤣

[timber glacier]

You can't sell anything from free plots

[tall crypt]

T4: 30000$ and 34000$

[last tiger]

ive paid at the time 1300 dollars couldnt find a cheaper one

[tranquil citrus]

Ok then I was really cheap😅 but have you already deducted the 30% from the silv2 discount?
My insult mates

[tall crypt]

Ok good. 95% was excessive.

[tall crypt]

2300-2800$ me

[last tiger]

for a tier 2?

[tall crypt]

no, not deduced, because I bought a lot off SILV2 to different price

[tall crypt]

Yes

[tranquil citrus]

Ah okay then I understand the prices

[tranquil citrus]

Are you still convinced of illuvium and the purchase of your countries? Or do you see it more as a bad investment? I mean in the long term. Not looking at the current situation

[craggy bison]

fuel converters do nothing anymore 👀

[tall crypt]

I want say, This land is a part of megacity and perhap pay a overprice.

[tall crypt]

First ascending level of extractors. Now uploading to 6 level. Then converters

[slate fjord]

Guys T2 is enought to play at OW? I cannot reach the crypton to play. 1 run on stage2 are 450 crypton. At leat I d like to play 4 runs per day. But 2000 crypton… how can I produce them with a T2? Thanks

[timber sapphire]

Eth hasn't been that low, your math ain't mathing I think

[last tiger]

good luck brother

[tall crypt]

It's still early, but it's clear that there are other games like axie homeland that give 2 or 3 times more. What is clear is that there will not be more land sales in 3 or 4 years.

[tranquil citrus]

@tall crypt

Personally, I find all countries under t3 . Not profitable and annoying

[tall crypt]

Fuel must buy. If You produce it is only for sell. If You need fuel must buy fuel, ever.

[tranquil citrus]

I also go into illuvium , inspired by axie, because illuvium is a lot better in terms of gameplay, but the economy leaves a lot to be desired

[craggy bison]

A fully maxed out t3 might just get you close every 24 hours but dont hold your breath 😂

[tranquil citrus]

Do you also play illuvium? Or are you a reuter landlord?

[last tiger]

was on this time brother

[timber sapphire]

Definitely not possible, not even before the nerf

[slate fjord]

Damn

So all lands i bought are useless 🙂‍↕️

[balmy tendon]

Hi, how can I learn to play zero? Is there a tutorial?

[tranquil citrus]

Not particularly useful, I'm not convinced by my t4 at the moment either. I hope something will change in the future

[slate fjord]

Hahaha thanks but I think I left

[slate fjord]

Ouch

[tranquil citrus]

That's the sad truth🤣

[last tiger]

was around that time now eth worth more of course

[timber sapphire]

Yes but even at that time it wasn't 1.3 eth

[last tiger]

let me see

1.1 eth

[timber sapphire]

Yeah that sounds more logic

[timber sapphire]

Good price for paying in eth! I payed around the same in silv2👀

[last tiger]

wasn't bad but i should got an tier 3 or more

cuz around that time i bought 3 T1s around 700$

too

i was planning to make some of my friend playing for me

but they nerver did

[timber sapphire]

Yeah kinda sucks there still isn't a scholarship program

[last tiger]

so ive sold them right on the time at 650$

[timber sapphire]

Each?

[tranquil citrus]

Best desicion 😅🤣

[last tiger]

yeah

[timber sapphire]

That's really good

[last tiger]

was way before this patch lol

[timber sapphire]

Or you bought them 700 each too?

Or total

[timber sapphire]

Yeah but still

[last tiger]

i was testing the t1s for alpha blueprints an realized they are very slow

[last tiger]

yeah people are lossing way more atm

[last tiger]

it was

[timber sapphire]

Yeah I'm already having trouble with missing 1 fuel on my t2, can't image how it's for t1

[last tiger]

do u guys having problems with hyperion extractors too? they stop the production overnight

i press the buttom to farm before bed

and they stop working

only with hyperion and ive seen more guys talking about this

[timber sapphire]

Maybe try moving powerstations or see if it has enough power anyway

[last tiger]

i did everything

[timber sapphire]

Lemme check

If it's for me too

[last tiger]

the only thing its working its logging and log out

[last tiger]

ive seen more people complaining about this

[timber sapphire]

Mine are working

[last tiger]

still a long way to go..

[timber sapphire]

Did you report it to support?

[last tiger]

nop not yet

[timber sapphire]

Probably smart to do, can take a few days before they respond

[last tiger]

i need nexus 9

[timber sapphire]

For what?

[last tiger]

for more power stations

126%/ 138% its the sweet spot now

theres no reason to have 150%

[noble willow]

why is that?

[timber sapphire]

Also for passive generation?

[last tiger]

cuz at 150% you get the same for 138% from the passive

[open stratus]

Seeing these, I like the post regarding power station levels increasing efficiency. It's gross to have to build 75 power stations for max efficiency

[silk edge]

im T3 max level and earning virtually nothing

[open stratus]

How much fuel you.producing per day ??

[last tiger]

yeah i agree

[timber sapphire]

Aight good to know I need to update my land

[sand radish]

Def true. But path bonus need to be rework as well cause no way to attain 20% without spamming useless building...

[open stratus]

Yeah that's a huge difference. Adds a lot of leeway

[silk edge]

not enough to make it worth anything

[last tiger]

they should be doing something cuz they are taking a lot of space and there's not even a point to have 150% efficacy

[last tiger]

tier 3 not enough too?

so u have 3 more fuel site then me

[silk edge]

i think about 150 hyperion 50 crypton and 50 salon

[last tiger]

dam

this is so bad

[silk edge]

i sold 1000 yesterday for 6$

[last tiger]

there no point to sell so low for me tbh

imo

[silk edge]

thing is i have 3 plots together but the 4th isnt avaiavble yet

[last tiger]

maybe mega citys could save this

but that means that he need more money

too

[silk edge]

im thinking of selling the level 3 and 2x level 1

[last tiger]

and its hard to get a mega city

[silk edge]

its harder when they wont sell the remaining lands

[noble willow]

what are the conditions you need for a megacity? I have no info at the momoent

#moment

[last tiger]

the snipers did a good job lol

[silk edge]

4 lands together in a square

[noble willow]

any tier requirements?

[last tiger]

i think woulb be 2x2 first

and then 3x3

But we don't know the benefits of than yet

[rugged abyss]

Hello I have tier 1 land and I have read that is better to focus on blueprints. Is there any chance to get profits from fuel or qould it be lose of time ?

[quick siren]

Owning land is garbage right now because the devs reduced the fuel gathering rate by 75%

Making players more dependant on fuel than ever before

[last tiger]

tier 1 was better for blueprints cuz they have a lot of space to build but would take ages to doit

[pure fable]

@bitter glade will megacities be playable on one screen, or do they only share resources etc. but have to be played on the single plots?

[rugged abyss]

To build what ? Yeah… maybe too much time ? How long do you calculate ? Which level ? I guess is the onlybway to make lands profitable

[tranquil citrus]

The game is a complete rip-off

Better everybody sell everything before the next downgrade is coming🤣🤣🤣

[thorny crater]

Yes sell everything so other can buy it cheap

[noble willow]

mate, what discount will you give me 🙂

[tranquil citrus]

Would you really buy it again? 🤣🤣

[shell needle]

There is 1 main problem: no hype - no players - no demand for fuel...

[tranquil citrus]

In purely mathematical terms, this cannot be profitable 🤣

[thorny crater]

Basic it’s a temp fuel cut to readjust the market. Offers on land have gone way up since the nerf. Low ballers

So if you think this project is a failure, give me another crypto game that is a success. I need examples,
And
2) sell all your stuff. Why are you try to make others sell? Why not just sell get out and move on?

There has to be a reason to come here and say the game sucks. Are you here to “protect” us

[tranquil citrus]

I'm just saying facts and truth. Axie infinity was a lot more profitable

[thorny crater]

This is it. Consumer experience > roi.

Any business takes 6 month to make a dime, is the norm. This isn’t even past beta launch yet.

[noble willow]

I didn't get in at the start, so yeah

[thorny crater]

This is why crypto always fails lol

[last tiger]

bro im tier 2 and i dont even manage scanners lol

[thorny crater]

But yeah I just bought 2 lands an a huge discount

That’s why people come here

This channel has become a place to get people to panic sell

[rugged abyss]

I built a scanner today, im not sure how it goes

[thorny crater]

Real investors do not waste time on broken projects, they move on.

[tranquil citrus]

There can't be that many players to generate 100 million, and with 50,000 each player would have to spend 2,000 dollars. The best games on steam have maybe 50,000
That means it will never be profitable as long as the team puts 95% in its own pocket.
Of course I'm annoyed, they said the game will be out in 2022. My capital was dead for 2 years. Empty promises and now something like this

[burnt viper]

Some of us are visionaries, we have a good vision for illivum in the next 6 to 1 year.

We are willing to wait but also call out their bs if needed lol

[thorny crater]

I love the game. Just need more multiplayer.

Land to me is a 20 year investment not 1 month 1000x my roi lol

[noble willow]

How many players are currently non-crypto people? That's the target market that needs to be brought in. Once they are able to join, without knowing or caring about the back end, is where things grow

[last tiger]

yeah i get your point too but panic selling its not the right answer too

[tranquil citrus]

I have buy 5000 solana for 14 dollar. So I don't give a shit. I'm just upset about what is being done and promised. They have taken 72 million dollars with the countries and are making them so unattractive

[last tiger]

hey 20 years seems too much but i get your point for sure

[burnt viper]

Lol 20 years might be extreme lol.

Rarely do games make a strong comeback like No man sky hehe

[plain hamlet]

Yo guyz does ILV zero counts towards the airdrop ?

[rugged abyss]

20??

[thorny crater]

True true, but to say it’s a rip off is out there.

You know more about me you seen my wallets. I don’t go into other games.

That said, I do lack crypto knowdlge, but if a rug pull happened today with Illuvium. Then what would people do

Yeah I’d love my grand kids to be able to catch Pokémon they own

[last tiger]

at least let us use the fuel in on ow and buy fuel to use on lands if necessary for upgrades

[thorny crater]

Got that dark gold holo pikichu from the “Pokémon event”

[thorny crater]

Now this I can’t get on board with 100%

[burnt viper]

If a rug pulls happened, it's a normal chapter and experience for investors to learn.

Rug pulls can still be a game that launched and does the bare minimal to meet their promises

[thorny crater]

Well not buy fuels to use in land

[tranquil citrus]

I'm not going to sell either - that was an ironic joke. I'm just annoyed and show it. Maybe they'll take notice and change something

They should introduce a burn mechanism for illuvials with fuel, which would have the advantage for landowners that much more fuel is needed and for the players the advantage that pointless illuvials could be crafted to a better one and thus fewer but higher quality illuvials would be thrown on the market, which would also make the market clearer. Because the market is really flooded with shit. Very confusingWhat is the benefit if the market is permanently infected?
Besides, illuvium zero is also a game. The people who play this game have obviously pulled the complete ass cardOr change the 19-to-1 ratio to 16-to-4 of fuel sold. Instead of fucking the early investors
maximally unattractive t4 land prices dropped from 16k to 6k.

[last tiger]

they should let us buy fuel to upgrade our lands + they get more sales

[thorny crater]

Exactly. Seem VERY common in crypto.

[thorny crater]

That part I don’t like. I’d just max my plot on day one.

But using fuel in OW. I’m for

[burnt viper]

Could sell us Zero consumables too. Or Buildings Skins

[last tiger]

that could help lower tiers brother and maybe that way i would buy more tier 1 only for blueprints

[thorny crater]

I understand your frustration. That’s a great idea.

I can’t remember if it was talked about with the devs. BUT gyms. Instead of using 3 mons for fuse, we could use 3 mons to train to increase multiplers

[thorny crater]

Naw. People would just max land to fast and another nerf of fuel would happen.

[last tiger]

i think that will happen soon and we should have a bonus wen transfer the fuel to ow

[thorny crater]

IIP39 allows the dao to donthat at anytime

[last tiger]

yeah i get it

[thorny crater]

I’m about 50% with you not the whole 100% lol

I had to take it back missed the second part lol

[hearty cradle]

whats going on

[solar swallow]

someone probably made sell order for lowest possible price

[hearty cradle]

cant buy it tho

[solar swallow]

its better that You cant buy then buy with 10 bonus 😄

[tribal blaze]

I submitted an idea in the feedback channel that the zero team addressed (not Aaron, but still of interest). Go add a comment there. They said it’s something they know isn’t ideal and will adjust but it’s not on the top of their list

@white axle https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1269811431105236993

[keen ruin]

How long until i can play on my new bought land?

[polar cosmos]

❤️

[foggy sage]

new update for land owners voted on my council reducing fuel to 0 Dao will handle the fuel lol

JK

[cerulean nest]

Looks like a bug, that doesn't tally with the sale listings on the ledger, unless someone dumped a huuuge amount at base price lol

[polar cosmos]

does anyone else have this problem now?...

[quiet heath]

Yep, same here
I jumped in discord to check as well haahha

[amber aurora]

Anyone else having trouble loading plots? Most of my plots load up but I have one that will not load.

[limpid stag]

Mine's fine. Try closing and opening the app

[amber aurora]

I did. Tried on mobile and pc. Thanks for reply though. If it’s still a problem later, will open ticket.

[solar swallow]

my orders appeared as pending now even after message that they cant be done

i dont even know how much bonus because it was showing 3x the amount as bonus 😄

we will see what will happen when they will go thru

[inland shore]

What a mess this is. Now my Solon miner gets stuck at 7 hr 30 mins with plenty of power to it

[pseudo pulsar]

@inland shore try moving few things close to it see if it will restart it

[inland shore]

Thanks for the advice. The team is so silent about all of this.

[pseudo pulsar]

@inland shore a lot of the problems I ran into are little cork's with processing just try every angle

[mortal mural]

you guys know what would be cool? if i could make remembering notes in each plot.

[compact nebula]

Wen ilv land milestones mission?

[cerulean nest]

Woah somebody just listed 5k crypton at base price, completely unnecessarily... they could have got more than twice as much without waiting a second longer. Baffling ignorance

[tribal blaze]

this kind of price undercutting thing is exactly why OPEC formed lol. this will not work in the long term, I hope they fully rework how fuel is listed and sold

[near tusk]

Maybe they will go back to what I heard years ago of guardrail +-25%

[devout tide]

You can sell fuel?!? (Tier 1 owner) is there a spreadsheet with buildings with how mutch do they cost to upgrade and what can they produce?

[inland shore]

That worked! Thanks

[dense bane]

Hey! How do I complete or refresh daily quests? I have one that tells me to "extract hydrogen" but I have no hydrogen on my plot 😦

[cerulean nest]

You can sell fuel from any non-f2p land on the fuel exchange on the Illuvium website. Community is trying to get the DAO to publish such info - no up to date user-made one exists atm either to my knowledge.

[tranquil citrus]

They should introduce a burn mechanism for illuvials with fuel, which would have the advantage for landowners that much more fuel is needed and for the players the advantage that pointless illuvials could be crafted to a better one and thus fewer but higher quality illuvials would be thrown on the market, which would also make the market clearer. Because the market is really flooded with shit. Very confusing
Besides, illuvium zero is also a game. The people who play this game have obviously pulled the complete ass card
Or change the 19-to-1 ratio to 16-to-4 of fuel sold.
Instead of ripping the early investors
maximally unattractive t4 land prices dropped from 16k to 6k.

[limpid stag]

Same

[pseudo pulsar]

@inland shore np

[vague nest]

Whats going on with Illuvium Zero, last update that made upgrading solon sites worth less. Went from 50k for 2 Solon when I upgrade its now 150k for 3 solon.

Also deleting buildings is way to easy and very frustrating

[tranquil citrus]

They want to get us out of the game with these actions

[inland shore]

yup

[inland shore]

Yeah it's a classic technique to get people to sell so that they can have their more wealthy propsects come in at a discount

[cerulean nest]

All fuels were going to zero due to misjudged demand so they cut supply with related changes (see #📣〕announcements message) Others have mentioned issues with accidental building demolition, make sure to leave feedback via the ingame issue reporting button.

[tranquil citrus]

For me, the game feels a lot like a scam at the moment, the team is filling their pockets and nothing is sticking with us

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[solar swallow]

yes

[tranquil citrus]

They should introduce a burn mechanism for illuvials with fuel, which would have the advantage for landowners that much more fuel is needed and for the players the advantage that pointless illuvials could be crafted to a better one and thus fewer but higher quality illuvials would be thrown on the market, which would also make the market clearer. Because the market is really flooded with shit. Very confusing
Besides, illuvium zero is also a game. The people who play this game have obviously pulled the complete ass card
Or change the 19-to-1 ratio to 16-to-4 of fuel sold.
Instead of ripping the early investors
maximally unattractive t4 land prices dropped from 16k to 6k.

More can I not say🤣

[cerulean nest]

The 'teams' pockets have been filled for a long time due to historic token allocations (not sure if this is your issue or not). They're currently gaining profits at the same rate as everyone else based on staked tokens.

[tranquil citrus]

The team gets 95% of the shares from the fuel. Apparently that's too much. They lower our production, but the price continues to fall, so something doesn't add up

[timber sapphire]

Stop posting the same things. This is already in the game as I said before, it's called fusing. Stop spamming without doing research

[tranquil citrus]

The game should have launched in 2022. Too much is promised and too little is done, but users still cash in big time

[cerulean nest]

That's false, the 'team' doesn't get 95%, staked tokens get proportional share of the 95%, some of which goes to the team, some of which goes to users, some of which goes to the DAO.

[supple badge]

Is it normal that my T4 is producing 3x more fuel that my T2? (Same building level)

[tranquil citrus]

Unattractive remains Unattractive

[timber sapphire]

Stop reacting to that guy he's just posting fake information

[compact nebula]

DO we need to collect our old coverters passive fuel for the new update to continue generating new passive amounts?

[tranquil citrus]

So the game wasn't supposed to launch in 2022?

[timber sapphire]

The alpha build was

But not launch

[tranquil citrus]

So you're no longer allowed to say your opinion about the game's misguided economy in public either

[timber sapphire]

You are saying things without knowing what you are talking about

[cerulean nest]

Yes that's to be expected, t4 has fuel multipliers, in addition to the specific landmark boost to efficiency. I don't know where exactly to find the specific info, they haven't made it easy to find lol.

[supple badge]

Ok thanks, I didn't know, I thought it was only the land mark

[cerulean nest]

You're not simply saying your opinion, you're passing false statements off as fact

[tranquil citrus]

Wrong decisions have often been made - you probably know that better than I do. You've seen it often enough on social media. But I don't have the time to follow every little detail because the game isn't worth it anyway.

[undone dagger]

Hey

If you wanna complain that your Land is worthless, just send it to me :v

You shouldn't care about who gets a worthless item, right?

[keen ruin]

Do plots reset when they get a new land owner?

[tranquil citrus]

Yes, of course, give me your address. It's fun to buy useless nfts and then give them away

[vague nest]

@bitter glade @noble quest why don't you just make 50-90% of fuel in the eco system come from zero lands? That's the whole point of crypto gaming. If land spikes in price so will illuvials. If you flood the system or only give 5% to land owners its just pointless

[undone dagger]

I happily will, here or DMs?

I suggest here because I've said it in public once before and didn't get swarmed by scams so I figure a second posting can't hurt me :v

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[undone dagger]

Shush, robot

[tranquil citrus]

Finally someone who understands me again! That's exactly how it is!

[tribal blaze]

Spamming Aaron and Kieran with tags on comments like that is not going to be productive

[shut widget]

Why do my Level 2 and Level 3 converters now have the same rate of Passive Generation? Is this a bug?

[tribal blaze]

Do you know how many different threads there are with people saying their 2 cents about how to manage this economy after giving it 3 minutes of thought? 😅

[vague nest]

But this game is devolving at a rapid rate

[tranquil citrus]

That was a joke😵‍💫

[atomic cove]

maybe you guys should give a read to this thread: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274080051029086319

[undone dagger]

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take

Either I get a laugh or I get a Land, either way I'm winnin'

[timber sapphire]

Pinging with useless messages will get you banned

[tranquil citrus]

Good for you, you poor witless beggar

[timber sapphire]

If you cant do basic research don't come crying after

[tribal blaze]

I don’t get the people that post in here just all day shitting on things and saying it’s hopeless. You might be right. But just sell your stuff, and move on with your life. That’s fine. No need to make us deal with it

[undone dagger]

THIS.

If it's "worthless"

Then give up on it already.

Cut your losses so we don't have to hear you whine

[tribal blaze]

I’m not gonna try to convince you that you’re wrong. Its a total crapshoot im not convinced myself that they will properly figure this economy out

[undone dagger]

Or come back with Actual Constructive Criticism.

[cerulean nest]

Whilst there may be some justification for discussing tweaking the ratio marginally, you have to understand the ecosystem and be pragmatic with your expectations. Fuel-derived sales form the majority of the revenue, users with staked tokens as well as the DAO itself need fair and suitable shares. Demanding that landowners get the majority of all revenue would be engaging in a self destructive zero-sum game in which everybody loses in the end.

[tribal blaze]

But my god your shitty ideas to fix the economy that you’ve considered for 5 minutes and haven’t read the massive threads on the topic aren’t helpful

[timber sapphire]

Difference in efficiency?

[tranquil sparrow]

i do believe it's on bad condition, but i won't sell my land for the next 3 year atleast, i want to see illuvium improve first.

[vague nest]

How do you know how much thought people give to it? These discussions aren't about going into long winded points of view, its about sharp to the point feed back. Crypto gets movement when its decentralized that's the whole point. As soon as you have any party having a monopoly over a part of it you lose the core belief of what crypto gaming is about

[undone dagger]

See, here's the thing. I'm a parasite.

This means I'm trying to carve out as much money from Illuvium as I can without paying in a penny.

But a parasite can't suck out your soul for fun and profit if you die now can I?

[tranquil citrus]

In the end, all prices go down permanently, hold on to your unsuccessful minus game. It's getting too stupid for me now
The fact that there is no burn mechanism for illuvials and that dir holo and dark holo are completely useless shows the misconstruction of the game, you don't have to think much about it.

Uhh someone speaks his mind
Why don't you call the police?
Haha

[cerulean nest]

Perhaps not how long someone has thought, but how broadly - taking your suggestion of 50-90% to landowners, that would probably starve the dao of revenue needed to carry on supporting and developing... which would result in the entire illuvium ecosystem collapsing, and your zero land being worth literally nothing.

[timber sapphire]

Third time I'm saying this, we have a burn mechanic

[undone dagger]

I will grant that Illuvials should have a purpose beyond "Oh boy I have 73 garbage-statted T0 S1s that I won't use for anything"

[trim plume]

Will we be able to sell fuel from what we produce starting from zero?

[undone dagger]

Ok, I'm listening, what do I do with my excess T0 Illuvials

[timber sapphire]

Fuse

[vague nest]

The company is completely built of investors, I'm sure they hold a large stake of ILV which is what should be used to fund development

[undone dagger]

Ok that's great that's effort I've moved on to actual T3 and T4 illuvials and shouldn't need to grind my T0s up to fuse them

What do I do with my T0 Illuvials besides fuse

Sell them for pennies

Or let them pile up

Because there's no raw Burn For Minor Profit

[rotund sandal]

I'm new here I don't know how to play this game anyone explain or share any roadmap

[undone dagger]

If you don't have Land, don't play Zero, there's absolutely no profit to be had as an F2P

[rotund sandal]

Thanks

[undone dagger]

I don't count Quests 4 Airdrop as profit because Airdrops are weird

[timber sapphire]

Nobody is forcing you to capture so many if them if you don't want to use them. You can see the stats before you capture it, if you don't want it, don't capture it

[undone dagger]

Hit up Overworld though, that's fun!

[undone dagger]

Dodging the question here, pally.

What do I do besides fuse.

Oh. Look. Nothing. That's the point we're getting at.

[timber sapphire]

#🎨〕community-content can probably find some youtube/twitch guy here

[rotund sandal]

is that free or buy something?

[trim plume]

can i earn even if i only have T1? how much could it be?

[timber sapphire]

Its not, you chose to capture them. Nobody told you had to do it so many times

[undone dagger]

T0 runs and stuff are free, there's a nice tutorial and the game looks lovely

[undone dagger]

Oh look he's still dodging the question :v

[timber sapphire]

Also not confirmed but might be more burning when skins are gonna be live

[undone dagger]

It's pennies a day tbh

[rotund sandal]

thanks

[turbid plank]

hi guys about biodata, is their a way to have a better chance than 5% for drone and armor scan thing once you found one ? shall i do it ? or keep the biodata for later better use ? thanks a lot

[timber sapphire]

What is your exact question?

[trim plume]

got it. thanks pal

[undone dagger]

Oh, you finally answered it

[steady yew]

land t1 is a shame the amount of fuel it produces, maybe in 5 years it will pay for itself 🤣🤣

[timber sapphire]

That's just rumour, might not become a thing

[undone dagger]

It was "Is there a use for excess illuvials besides Fusing and piling them up"

[timber sapphire]

For now, no

[tranquil citrus]

Yes, merge. I merge bad illuvials into an even worse illuvial. The result is nobody does it. Instead of introducing a burn mechanism that merges the same bad illuvials and creates good illuvials at the cost of fuel, making money and burning more fuel at the same time. Very difficult to come up with, a science.

[undone dagger]

"Will there be [question]" is an accepted variant

[timber sapphire]

They are working on a stat reroll mechanic

[undone dagger]

Well you see, there's gotta be gambling in our gambling

[cerulean nest]

They undoubtedly do have large ILV stakes. And I'm reasonably confident they would siphon some of that to support the DAO if it was necessary and if there was reasonable confidence in the ecosystem. However, this obviously can't be relied upon and if you don't like that then you have an issue with capitalism in general. I would argue that there would also be very little confidence in longevity of the DAO if it ended up being forced into a death spiral of giving most of its revenue to a subset of its investor-players (zero) who, lets face it, aren't actually generating any tangible value to the ecosystem.

[undone dagger]

Now the question is, how much lower can we shove T1 Land, because I'd be willing to crack open my real wallet for $50 for a plot :v

We're at $211 right now let's ride this shit all the way down

[cerulean nest]

Plus in such a situation where ILV stakers don't get appropriate revenue share, ILV token value itself would plummet.

[vague nest]

No no no, that's not how this would work. The whole point now is to generate interest. The amount given to land owners can be flexible but giving them virtually nothing is counter intuitive. The DAO will survive in a healthy eco system. They also get all the rev accumulated from the exchange, they get all the redevs from their ILV stake they also have the ability to create other money generating opportunity's.

The point I'm trying to make is that what I think they should be doing now is to create a player run economy until the game picks up. What better way to reward your long term investors and people who will be ultimately promoting your game.

[trim plume]

I just realized that even if I have three T1 lands, I won't be able to earn much because when I was grinding my T1 land, I had a hard time producing fuel. It feels like a waste of time and effort. It turns out T1 land is worthless. It's a waste of time and money invested in buying T1.

[tranquil citrus]

The crypto god gives and takes🤣. Fortunately, I bought several thousand solana back then for 14 dollars 🤣 all good the land was gambling but in my opinion it could really have been implemented better at the moment but it's not even worth the 5 minutes to farm the fuel 🤣🤣 I'm just here to let off steam 😬

[hexed abyss]

good points. As I mentioned on Nijafe_Plays GameFi recent "WTF Just Happened To Illuvium Land?" youtube post. Also no comments from illuvium team. I don't mind the 19-1 fuel distribution, and overall cut in fuel production. What I think is strange is that on the fuel market only the Sell price can go down (meaning land-owners are competing with each other to sell at lower price), buy the the Buy price is set?? So OW players benefit (with bonus/free fuel), and the Zero players loose. Am I missing something?

[trim plume]

its better to stake ilv than grinding a land.. it will give u revdis without effort

[tranquil citrus]

That sounds better then grind a land yeah🤣

But what's the point of the lands then? None haha just like the illuvitars

[slim wigeon]

I think everyone is overreacting.

It's very simple we need much more demand for fuel. If no demand prices will go lower day by day.
I thought there would be a bottom rail and it couldn't go lower which would mean either Landowners couldn't sell at all if not enough demand at the bottom rail but at least it would hold prices stable for OW and Landowners too.
To work against overload of fuel they can reduce fuel earnings from Landholders. With this they actually tried to regulate it but it seems that there is still too much fuel 😄

So simply said there is not enough players for 20000 plots producing fuel.

[tranquil citrus]

I am also in favor of minimum prices. That is actually part of regulation. If it became too expensive, they said at the time that they would balance it out. Now it's getting too cheap and they're making it extremely unattractive again. They should find an equal court. It's your job

[undone dagger]

Like I always say, send me one if it's worthless

I'd even sign a contract promising to never sell it, I'd take good care of it :v

[undone dagger]

Government cheese enjoyer over here

[polar cosmos]

We have 25k "players" in OW right now and we have only 20k lands wich can produce flat amout of fuels at maximum optimization. Imagine when we have more than 100k players in 3-4 months, more demand for fuels, but fuels production is at the flat level (if DAO dont vote to change the values extractors in game)

just chill and build, let's wait for the number of players to increase 😉

[flat dirge]

Calm down guys. Its just the beginning . Im sure They will add other features to the game and new earning mechanisms to lands as well. Its not that hard to develop such a new game.❤️

[undone dagger]

Hey, government-provided cheese was a good time :v

[burnt viper]

Wrong to assume that all 20K plots are producing fuel and activity selling it too

[slim wigeon]

yes exactly it all depends on demand.
As long as we bring in people buying fuel it will be fine.

I think many just had irrational numbers in their had at the start because only a few were able to sell and you got like 100 USD per day with a couple of t4 which was obviously not sustainable

[slim wigeon]

right only high tiers t3-t4 maxed their plots and able to sell big

[burnt viper]

Yeah lmao. Fuel sellers undercutting but the buy price is set by the in house casino 😂

[polar cosmos]

Wow, but they paid a lot for T4s... do you remember prices while auctions on Balancer?

How much did Illuvium DAO make for selling lands? it wasnt about 50m$?

[slim wigeon]

not really as most was silv2 I remember all in all 70 mio but only like 10-20 mio eth or even less

t4s were arround 14-15 eth the lowest with a price of 1800 per eth

and 30 % discount for silv2

[polar cosmos]

i paid 1 eth for 2x T1, it was about 2000$, now its a 400$ xD

[undone dagger]

🫡

Someone had to do it at some point

[burnt viper]

Rip

[burnt viper]

There will one day be a long youtube documentary on Illuvium lmao

[slim wigeon]

paid more than 2500 for single t1 to complete megacities haha
Let's learn from mistakes in the next bull 😄

[quartz salmon]

Does anyone know how many biodata slots you get with each upgrade of the data bank?

[uneven pulsar]

72

i spent 60 eth)

[dim stream]

How tf have we dropped the ball so bad

[tardy hill]

how much is a cost for scan?

[void raft]

lvl1

[fiery iris]

Cut to fuel production so that dao can profit from land owners losses

[tardy hill]

that scan quest is hard with t1 xD now when they nerfed passive xD

[shut wave]

Yes you maybe. Its actually a good thing that players cant choose cheaper fuel. Because at the moment the bonus is just a surprise. The players in OW are actually committing to pay the market value when they press the button to buy. Say if a lanowner is putting fuel at a higher price, there is more likelihood of that selling as players cannot choose a low price. So this definitely benefits the Zero landowners. Im no longer selling any of my fuel at bottom rail. When others do that and there fuel sells mine sells at a much higher price when there is none available.

[limpid stag]

It's hard even on T2 too hehe

[shut wave]

This would not have been possible if OW players could adjust price. We would be fucccd!

[slim wigeon]

its all about demand nothing else just give it time there will be many more usecases for fuel with in the next 4-6 months

[dim stream]

I’m the idiot for believing them tbh

[fiery iris]

To be fair we were promised to be producers of fuel... not crumbs

[upbeat drift]

why does all my fuel converters had 0 earned?even if the progress bar was at 50%

happened to others too?

[fiery iris]

Yes it's a convenient bug where we don't make fuel

Just check your stage 6 crypton converter vs stage 6 Solon or hyperion converter it makes 33% less

[upbeat drift]

what do you mean?

[fiery iris]

It means all your fuel are belongs to the dao now

[upbeat drift]

i don t understand

why does the passive fuel is 0?

[fiery iris]

Bug after bug since the patch

[upbeat drift]

i need to do something to make it earn again?

oh ok

[fiery iris]

Conveniently all leading to us making no fuel...

Go figure....

[upbeat drift]

was there a meeting or anything with the team to talk about these changes?i mean after it was deployed

[fiery iris]

None that I am aware of just condescending talk about how this is somehow good for you...

[ivory badger]

I’m wondering how this affects Kieran, since he is one of the biggest land owners

[fiery iris]

Not in the slightest... it is not his only holding ...

[ivory badger]

But he still has skin in the game and a hellava lot more than me

[low river]

wtf are you smoking? the game was dead for like two year until the bull market, then it was profitable for like 6 months until the bear market. get your facts straight.

[fiery iris]

This would be like asking gee I wonder how Elon musk is doing tesla sales prices are down he must be having a tough time poor guy....

[ivory badger]

I was pissed at first about fuel changes, but hell I waited 3 years for OW , I’m just going to kick back and see what develops, and yes I bought lands in the sale and have waited for the game

[fiery iris]

So did all of us... which is why this is so ridiculous...

[ivory badger]

I just wish I had some funds to pick up a few tier2 lands right now

Tier3 is out of my reach

[fiery iris]

At this point lands don't even make fuel they have a chance to make a blue print at best ...

[ivory badger]

I’m going to trust the team and just wait

[fiery iris]

We have done so thus far...

[ivory badger]

Then a few more months won’t hurt , I play more OW anyway

[fiery iris]

None of what you just said has anything to do with what I said

We don't need to wait a couple of weeks to discover that we don't produce any substantial amount of fuel

Zero is riddled with bugs now

[rugged abyss]

Does it make sense to have more than one singularity scanner ? Is there any tutorial that might help
Me to planify my strategy with numbers ? Im just discovering things and ratios as I play

[radiant sky]

Price will just increase by 4x if it was in balance before, which it wasn't.
If price is decreasing harshly and you Cut supply by 75% doesn't mean price will increase to 4x and balance out

[fiery iris]

What the price of fuel does and the fact we don't produce any of it anymore are two separate topics... so in regards to what I said your reply has nothing to do what I said...

[tall cloak]

I'm like, 0/25 on blueprint scanning. Which I get isn't unexpected with a 5% chance, but damn.

Also, if I only have tier 1 biodata, does it make sense to upgrade Materials lab, or nah?

[fiery iris]

I have found most of what I have with stage 1 scanners and research labs

[true rampart]

the simple solution is the DAO not print 19 fuel for each 1 land sells ... that way all land at max production still not enough to oversatureated even this low demand

that was is and will be the main problem

as long as that mechanich remains

[tall cloak]

So upgrading increases fuel costs without any real added benefit? That's kinda lame.

[true rampart]

why even go the scanner build ? do people even buy that stuff ?

[fiery iris]

The benefit is that it gives you a non zero chance to produce higher tier illuvial bio data

[tall cloak]

Aren't some of those you have higher tier?

Like, it looks like there is a Virtuous Emberlynx in there, which is tier 2 I thought? And you said you used only stage 1 scanners

[fiery iris]

I want them for personal use you guys focus too much on usd value much like the dao and the other guy focusing on fuel price... if the game is good people will come and play it there is a reason free to play games do really well it's called screen time. Understand this and the project as a whole will be successful. Lose sight of this and watch as this whole thing crumbles. Everyone is trying to treat this is a business first instead of as a game first and there in lies the problem

[prime loom]

100%. Even if this convoluted pseudo-market is a way of generating cause-and-effect data for the devs, this can't possibly be viewed as an efficient way to go about it.

Start from a clean plate:
-Implement fuel transfers ASAP and exclude them from the 19x to see what percentage of OW players are actual land holders looking to simply self-fund their runs (and indirectly fix the over supply)
-Gauge market demand and price discovery of fuel from non-land holders
-Let land holders see at what price range OW players pile in to purchase fuel so sellers can time their dumps

Get ACTUAL data.

[fickle loom]

From every blueprint I only get 1 Drone Skin and one Armour Skin, right?

[vocal pasture]

This.

[burnt viper]

Everything its done is from a centralized and for it's own profit. So this won't pass at all.

[rugged abyss]

Dont think so, i guess there are different

[atomic cove]

enabling the fuel transfer without the 1:20 ratio would actually be very damaging for the economy.

[midnight holly]

You're misunderstanding something about exponential growth. Supply is capped,demand is not. What truly matters for higher prices is demand, not cutting supply.

[fiery iris]

There is infinite supply we just don't produce any substantial amount of it land is fundamentally broken

[midnight holly]

no infinte supply sir, numbers are capped

[fiery iris]

You wish that were true day 1 of launch fuel was sold from what source?

[midnight holly]

one cap is the max production cap, the others side is the buyers.

stay in the past ?

[fiery iris]

The past?

[vapid jolt]

TLDR is I did find his Twitter bio and also some other info, don't want to DOX share publicly (even though it's public info) although I can send you a DM with what I found

[fiery iris]

I literally found the bug that reduces your stage 6 crypton converter passive output by 33% and now team is supposed to be addressing it.... you're welcome anon

[midnight holly]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-work-gif-18382095

[prime loom]

There's no data to support that.

There were deep deep whale pockets during the land sale who's only goal was to generate yield from their land.

Excluding fuel transfers would also keep incentives aligned. They should be focused on onboarding paying OW players MUCH more than milking existing landholders, to the point where the onboarding OUTPACES the players who simply purchase land to do runs.

This puts upward pressure on fuel prices so that land owners who transfer fuel for runs go "you know what? I'm gonna chill for a month and get my yield instead."

THIS is how you achieve balance.

[fiery iris]

Believe me when I say this their plans for wealth generation from fuel sales were foiled pun intended

[lapis gulch]

Is level 201 max?

[barren barn]

Yes. Atm

[midnight holly]

be like brian become a buyer

[prime loom]

No permission unfortunately

[knotty sable]

What’s going on with the floor? I must have missed something 🤔

[open stratus]

The problem is and always has been lack of demand due to an incomplete game loop. When the airdrop hopefully is realigned to incentivize paid play, and we have endgame to shoot for thst makes you want to best illuvials, we will see a pickup

Coupled with some IMX passport flow updates for ease of onboarding, I think we will see turnaround soon

[hardy brook]

2nd time I've sold fuel and it sold pretty quick

[burnt viper]

share this frog so that we get a patch fix this week

[atomic cove]

this goes much deeper than that.

[burnt viper]

[hardy brook]

[atomic cove]

0.0000016

[sage bough]

Nice

[next juniper]

I’ve been selling my Solon for 0.0000021 or 0.000002 depending on how long you want to wait. You sold be bit too cheap imo

[fiery iris]

Interestingly enough we don't see a path to onboard new users ie payment rails for CC built in to illuvidex instead we got what you described as milking existing land holders

[tranquil citrus]

That's the truth

[hardy brook]

I don't really know where the floor is so I just wing it tbf.

[mossy sorrel]

you can go to the ledger, filter sale orders and you can tell where the floor is

do a bit of work, it will not only allow you to get more out of your fuel, but also not destroy the market with low prices

on the other hand, 0000016 does seem to be the floor, so if you wanted to sell quick, it's a good starting point

[prime loom]

Improving the game falls under the umbrella of onboarding paying OW players.

If you say "well, they need to generate revenue to do that, so suck it up"...

Land holders will just reply with "our contribution to the revenue was generated during the land sale, when we paid an average of 1k for a T1, 5k for a T3, and 15-20k for a T4 so that we could click on hydro pumps every 6-12h. So we'll settle for fueling our runs for the time being, why don't you focus on getting that quality data and implementing changes so you do your marketing push ASAP?"

[atomic cove]

I know it's a tough pill to swallow but we're all responsible for our financial decisions.

I do agree changes need to happen and fast. But that's another discussion.

[undone dagger]

A discussion that needs to be had right now

[lyric lodge]

I thought the DOA had to get permission and have the council pass any major changes before the could do someting like reduce our fuel 75 percent , sorry what am I missing ?

[lyric lodge]

true we are, but its not a one way street

[undone dagger]

...or later, we're almost to $200 a plot, I wanna see $50 so I can open my wallet

[fiery iris]

Honestly this....^^

[undone dagger]

Sure, that's $200 for a T1 that's got the same basic resource x3 but

Converters exist :v

[uneven pulsar]

if we speak about iluvium money - everything is quick. if about landlords - everything is long)

[lyric lodge]

well thats why asked to help me what I am missing

[ocean haven]

you should stack up on the token its down 97% its the best buy!

[atomic cove]

we all fell into the hype trap of this project... Crazy market cap valuations.... Crazy land sales....
it's time we get real now. If you wanna discuss more about fuel check the current ideas-feedback threads. A lot going on there.

[fiery iris]

A tour de force....

[prime loom]

I've been in crypto since Mt Gox, every penny I put into this project I was ok with losing. What I don't like is the increasing amount of slithery behavior and erosion of trust...incentives are out of wack

[lyric lodge]

it will never go to 1500, 300 max

[atomic cove]

I'm with you there. One of the things we're missing more right now is total transparency and communication from the team/council.

[hardy brook]

Am I getting told off. I'll do better next time 😅.

[undone dagger]

🫡

I appreciate this kinda stance ngl

[lyric lodge]

thats what happens when things are not working out like you hoped, you start to be shady

[undone dagger]

I'm kinda in a similar boat?

I don't pay anything in because I'm paranoid about losing :v

[tranquil citrus]

You need balls to make money in the crypto scene, not everyone has them😎

[prime loom]

How did you get permission?

[undone dagger]

I mean, I pulled $55 worth of bitcoin teeth outta Everseed's mouth, so I made money in crypto, so I have balls😎

That's simple geography, as Saxton Hale once said

[tranquil citrus]

You're sweet honey

[undone dagger]

Ay, with an initial investment of $0, that means my RoI is instant and ♾️%

[atomic cove]

you're a 'ranger' you should have access to that section no? 🤔

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274080051029086319

[mossy sorrel]

haha, not at all, you do you bud, just a tip since it's your second time selling is all. not my intention to give you shit or anything

[prime loom]

Hmm, works now. Didn't before, thanks 👍

[rigid aspen]

Read IIP-39. They pre approved a system for changing the fuel production on the fly to keep fuel prices in a range they want it in.

[compact nebula]

Any heads rolling?

[spice vector]

#📣〕announcements message

[timid sorrel]

Can we have a “last sold” tracker for fuel? This guessing game is so dumb.

[snow summit]

Is there an issue with Illuvium Zero atm? I had "Network Error" within game despite stable connection and now I am stuck on loading screen without any errors.

[undone dagger]

Stop playing the guessing game and send me the land like you said you would :v

Not saying that's not a valid point, but you're an easy mark for me to dunk on after yesterday

I mean, T1 Land is down 50% since the update

[fleet jacinth]

Can you give examples?

[fleet jacinth]

To be honest land would’ve fell to 0 if not for the update, when fuel prices would reach 0.0000000001 people would finally wake up and realise land had no roi and dump this update isn’t the reason, people are just stupid

[tardy falcon]

You’re right about difference in crypton level 5/6 converter

[timid sorrel]

Dunk on lol. You’re a pee-on beggar, go play the chess set grandma gave you for your 14th birthday last year.

[gray stream]

Hey,
since you are the author of the most prominent post regarding fuel changes, I would love to hear your thoughts on a constant free ticket system outside of the fuel cycle. With that future changes to fuel production won't be a problem regarding this matter.
#1275493951616585921 message
If I haven't misunderstood anything the core problem with the latest patch is that people don't get enough access to OW with their land.

[tardy falcon]

@spice vector why is level 6 crypton converter passive reward lower than Hyperion and Solon?

[atomic cove]

yeah with all honesty I'm not really a fan of having vouchers, I feel like we're opening the pandora box of asking for compensation. And to be fair this was all done in accordance to IIP-39. Kieran also did warn us in the chat some days before they were gonna reduce the land production values.

So if we want to take it on someone it should be on whoever wrote IIP-39 and made all this mess possible.

and to me the problem runs even deeper than that. Cause we advertised fuel trading to be free market but it has nothing of free market in it.

[undone dagger]

Chess is too complicated, my 2D brain prefers checkers :)

[atomic cove]

and we already manipulated prices with a 75% cut. When the lower prices were actually increasing our playerbase and the demand.

[spice vector]

Will check - but think this is going to be resolved in next patch (should be Monday, all being well with testing)

[gray stream]

well, taking it out on someone won't help for the time being, but, yeah, I get your argument regarding free market and general compensations. I am not a fan of this prices manipulation as well, but not sure how bad compensations could get because of this.

[atomic cove]

this is not the team's fault. It was us the DAO that approved these IIPs.

so if we wanna blame anyone is the community for the lack of engagement with governance/bad proposals approved.

[gray stream]

hmm, indeed IIP 39 doesn't seem to be perfect. Maybe, a good idea to check other IIPs for similar problems.

[atomic cove]

Aaron made IIP-37. And IIP-39 overwrites it to a degree with the bonus system. So this thing is just a complete mess.

One thing is for sure. This bad fuel exchange UI is holding prices for now cause no one is able to see the current fuel prices and has no idea what price to sell.

I've been trying to sell fuel for days now, below the displayed average and barely managed to sold any... 🤣

[gray stream]

Indeed, but the UI is a different problem on its own. The new patch just reduced the ability to fund your own OW runs as a landholder

[atomic cove]

yep but wait there's more. What happens next if the demand doesn't increase in the near term? Cause the supply surely will be increasing as more and more landowners develop their plots.

Are we gonna cut land production values again??

[undone dagger]

See, i like you two. Actually complaining with points, instead of just whining "gaem ded, land wurthless"

[atomic cove]

everyone was defending the patch saying it wasn't a nerf. I only laughed. Did they really expect prices to 4x just because they cut the supply by 4x?

[open stratus]

You still think people gonna be grinding hard to get up there now ? And to your argument, it was making overworld actually affordable to grind.

[gray stream]

It seems we will do that and I think it is a terrible way, because we will for ever kill any demand with this. Also for this reason I like the idea of giving landlords something constant outside of this crazy fuel cycle

[atomic cove]

yes OW was actually starting to get enticing at those prices before the patch nerf...

[open stratus]

I think the biggest part we are missing is the demand, in that we are lacking any endgame content to strive for

[atomic cove]

so we cut again and then what we have land plots that can't even fund out travels to the OW?

[gray stream]

same

[open stratus]

If they were to just fix the UI, it would help a lot lol

[atomic cove]

I would say that if everyone is complaining prices are high maybe the demand would increase if the prices got lower, just maybe.

[open stratus]

You'd think that makes sense.. but no. Cut landowners by 4x haha

[gray stream]

As if demand would be something constant that isn't influenced by price tags...

[open stratus]

This 19:1 ratio still gets me, why is the lever the 1

[atomic cove]

they want to dictate the travel prices instead of letting this be a free market. Big mistake IMO.

[gray stream]

with the current system and behavior that would happen, yeah. Again, free tickets would avoid this scenario

[open stratus]

To an extent I think we need limits, but in general, yes, as it has been designed it absolutely should be

[atomic cove]

the problem with limits is if your trending in their direction your bound to hit them.

we have to move over this fear of prices dropping to zero. If we believe we built a good product than the demand will come...

[open stratus]

Which is fine if there existed a bottom. It would increase demand tenfold if we were to "bottom". Psychologically, everyone would buy at the absolute minimum

[open stratus]

Well the missing product is the key aspect here. There will not be demand until we have endgame content, or incentivize paid play through contests or airdrops or whatever

[atomic cove]

but that's the thing... Free markets have no boundaries, that's why there needs to be capitulation in order for the market to revert trend. Otherwise I feel we would just be at the lower price rail forever. And as soon as prices rised demand would fall because players would think "oh we're not at the bottom rail, maybe I just wait"

[open stratus]

No I was about to add something to that extent but got lost in another thought. The 19:1 has always existed (for some reason)

[open stratus]

But if you could set a reasonable "bottom" would there not always be assured demand at said price

Even if it rides the rail more or less indefinitely, is it not better to create demand that way than cut knees out

[atomic cove]

the problem is not the split per say, is that in the long term fuel supply will keep increasing exponentially higher. Since you're multiplying every fuel unit by 20.

[hazy tartan]

Exactly, 1 or 1500 from average joe it’s multiplied by 20

[open stratus]

I mean its nice to talk about it and share some ideas, but from an economical aspect, technical aspect, I don't know what is possible.
Nor do I know what's coming in the pipeline in terms of release.
There is a reason they did it this way. I'm still a believer albeit slightly more salty

[tranquil citrus]

They should introduce a burn mechanism for illuvials with fuel, which would have the advantage for landowners that much more fuel is needed and for the players the advantage that pointless illuvials could be crafted to a better one and thus fewer but higher quality illuvials would be thrown on the market, which would also make the market clearer. Because the market is really flooded with shit. Very confusing
Besides, illuvium zero is also a game. The people who play this game have obviously pulled the complete ass card
Or change the 19-to-1 ratio to 16-to-4 of fuel sold.
Instead of ripping the early investors
maximally unattractive t4 land prices dropped from 16k to 6k.

[open stratus]

They have said they will introduce multiple sinks in the coming months for fuel. It's just so unbalanced right now due to lack of a complete product

[atomic cove]

maybe we should study the concept of compounding growth rate.

before implementing systems like this...

[open stratus]

Prior to making anymore knee-jerk changes or overhauls, or introducing further complexity to an already fairly complex system (web2 especially) I think we just need to take a step back and see the forest through the trees

[atomic cove]

web2 just need a button for market buy. It's that simple...

[open stratus]

Make a fun game, make it accessible to masses, and they will come

[open stratus]

Yes, onboarding flow has to be priority

[formal basalt]

Does Illuvium Zero work with VPN?

[tranquil citrus]

No not working with vpn

[atomic cove]

also the starting bundles are badly designed. You buy the starter bundle and it doesn't even give you enough solon to scan 1 travel.

I'm with @gray stream we should just have one fuel for simplicity sake and that's it...
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1273886362440831042

[open stratus]

Yep also agree with this for simplicity sake

[vapid jolt]

Is there a reason why the DAO sells excess Fuel?

[true rampart]

lmaoooo

just now ?

[atomic cove]

best system design ever

yes

[true rampart]

XD

i had a feeling orders of 1k+ were not showing correct bonuses

[atomic cove]

nah it did went through

If I didn't want what's best for our community I wouldn't even be showing this. There's a lot of ppl out there taking advantage of this right now...

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-working-according-to-my-ultimate-design-everything-is-fine-good-to-go-my-plan-is-working-gif-14128380

Works as intended

[atomic cove]

I feel sorry to whoever sold me all that cheap solon

[tardy falcon]

I need to fuse... someone list cheap solon plz

[orchid apex]

any admins here?

[last tiger]

@whole spear Hi brother I don't know if u guys know about this bug on ILV zero I'm not the only one with this issue but since yesterday my Hyperion extractor is on pause no matter what I do.. this is the 2nd time that happens to me and I've heard more guys complaining about this I understand that could be bugs on the game in this fase but im a tier 2 still working on upgrades to max out my plot and with these bug and the new patch it hard to be happy with it cuz i was waiting for 18h to get my 30 Hyperion and when i login the machine didn't work all day... I'm not complaining about the money don't get me wrong 30 Hyperion is nothing but in a situation where lands needs even this small amount to keep going on upgrades it's annoying at the end of the day I hope u guys can fix this cuz I only have 3 fuel extractors and one it's not working and it's slowing me down thank you brother

[next juniper]

Been thinking us land sellers should agree to sell fuel at the default 0.0000026 price. I mean, a few would probably sell below that to have their fuel sold faster but since land owners produce so little now, those order will get filled fast anyway.🤔

[orchid apex]

Why isnt my Zero on PC working? but its fine on mobile?

[tranquil citrus]

That's a good idea, I'm in. Actually make an extra group for it on Telegram or something🤣

Let us pump fuel price to 1 dollar haha

[next juniper]

Hey, this doesn’t sound like a bug. I think you must have upgraded a building or something that needs more power. All you have to do is upgrade the power plants that are close to your fuel site to get them going or add more power plants.

[next juniper]

That would be way too high lol. I remember Kieran saying years ago that land sellers could come together to agree not to sell below a certain price. Think that would actually be a good idea since lands produce so little now.

[tranquil citrus]

Was a joke bro.
0.00001 is enough

[hazy tartan]

Certainly could coordinate all of us, I also could live jumping off a bridge

[last tiger]

i don't think so brother or im trippin?

[tranquil citrus]

X4 cut in the other direction

[last tiger]

my hyperion its stuck in the same timer since last night

[next juniper]

Turn off seeing the power and just click on the fuel site. If it is in red, it means you need more power. You can try upgrading one of those lower tier power plants or move one of them to another spot and place it back again. There used to be a bug that would get fixed by moving the power plant.

[last tiger]

my crypton gate that takes 12 hours that ive put at the same time as the hyperion already finish and the hyperion didnt even started

[last tiger]

i will try but its not red

[last tiger]

now its working

[next juniper]

You have converters near by. They usually take a lot of power. Maybe try adding more power plants or more of them.

[last tiger]

i didnt change anything and out of nowhere stops

[last tiger]

if that was the case wont let press the button to farm but i will try thank u

[next juniper]

Sometimes you upgrade a building and when you do that, you need more power around there or the stuff you have running will stop until it gets more power. I’ve made that mistake a lot of times now.

[last tiger]

but i know that brother

[last tiger]

do you see any red?

[dense pollen]

I don't know what happens this evening but illuvium zero don't want to open...

[last tiger]

i need 7000 power

[next juniper]

You won’t be able to see like that. You need to click off that “show power” setting on the eye symbol. Then click on the fuel site that is stuck. When you click on it, you will be able to see how much power it requires and how much you currently have. It will be red if it needs more.

[last tiger]

i have 16,900 power on that side

[last tiger]

i have almost 17k power

[next juniper]

This is what it will look like when you need more power. But you need to turn off the power setting on the eye symbol to see it.

[last tiger]

i had like that all the time

[timber sapphire]

Maybe move the powerstations outside of the area and back in

[last tiger]

when I click the hyperion to start its all working fine and then stops

[last tiger]

already did brother and its working now but its the second time that the extractor stops working

[timber sapphire]

Hmm strange yeah

[hazy tartan]

I’ve had a “pause” happen when I exit the game but it doesn’t quite close, like on mobile I just minimize and it doesn’t progress at all while offline, I’ve made a habit of fully exiting the game so I see it load up from start every time, if it doesn’t load from start and goes straight in to land instead of land selection it didn’t progress for me

[last tiger]

I think it's lvl 5 😂 and it's a tier 2 brother lol

[willow dust]

Why can't we set a price when buy fuel? If we can only set a price when we sell, people will just keep undercutting each other because some are impatient. At this time, only one side can set the price and because undercutting is a thing, the price trend will likely keep going down.

[thorny crater]

someone arugue this and i am waiting a resposne lol
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

cause if the price is set no matter what land owner shouldn't the have the ight to even set prices.
and what maoney is used for the difference in sell price and market price coming from to give bonus fuel?

[graceful siren]

Surely the issue is nothing to do with zero. The other two games have not become popular yet. Those playing don’t want to spend money. So no demand for fuel. That’s what they need to work in principally - can’t make any sort of economy if nobody wants to buy what you’re selling

[last tiger]

Yeah it's sad but I won't cry some people paid 20 eth for lands I don't even know the max we could get

[hearty cedar]

I left my Hyperion extractor at level 3, but that is because it fits my work hours better. Start it before work, when i come back i can start it again and by morning rince and repeat.

[silk edge]

2 million hyperion to upgrade my salon extractor to V lol

[analog basin]

I've had this problem with a Solon Dredge on a T3 plot not producing anything. Other fuel site work fine Solon doesn't. Reported this in a bug report 3 weeks ago no change so far.

[last tiger]

That's the spirit

[last tiger]

Yup I know brother this bug it's been lurking with more people

[silk edge]

im not making much worth selling

[hearty cedar]

I can go whenever i want, i can even get a cup of coffee no one will check. I just dont want to have it on my mobile, computer is fine =9 Working on the carbon storage for the nexus 9 push atm.

[silk edge]

im maxed out and its not worth playing now

[hearty cedar]

On a T1?

[silk edge]

T3

L6?

even at max levels you dont make enough fuel to be worth anything

[timber glacier]

I've had similar issues and I'm pretty sure that the power requirements listed on the extractor is lower on the UI than in the actual code. Increasing the power seems to have fixed the issue for me.

[hearty cedar]

What is the max number of converters btw? Is it total or for eaxh one? (Fuel converters)

Yes i was thinkig to jump 2 levels in "one go"

[timber glacier]

12 of each type per plot

[last tiger]

? What?

[hearty cedar]

Oh thats alot, ok i will keep that in mynd. Thx!

[winter ivy]

anyone willing to sell t4 for 1k usd? i'm here to be your exit liquidity

c'mon be faster

https://tenor.com/view/omw-slow-on-my-way-cute-monsters-inc-gif-17521429

[timber glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-dog-piggyback-ride-lazy-gif-374652748516865759

[west pawn]

Hellooo new here, been playing zero for a few days, i dont know if the plot is a beta test or what, if someone knows I'd be grateful

[slender path]

I really hope there will be improvement in illuvium it's so stupidly boring in all the games overworld, arena and zero and the fact that you can't use your own illuvials in arena takes away the fun exploring the abilities of your own illuvials. I feel like I wasted my entire life savings in this project. Please give me sense of hope before I completely lose my mind on this.

[foggy bison]

Since the nerf, are the extractors for your T1 only 1:1 at 150%, so you're basically just counting on passive fuel generation assuming an equal number of same-level extractors?

I mean, why would you ever convert?

[hearty cedar]

Cause you need all fuel types to grow your base?

[foggy bison]

To be clear, let's assume you have 3 of each extractor and they're maxed out. Why would you eat x crypton to make x solon?

[west pawn]

Oh yeah its the f2p one then, i don't know how to get another one or what's the price ranges tbh, I'd like to see the differences between the tiers

[hearty cedar]

You wont if you get the converter to 136%

[feral raft]

The realest post here lol

[foggy bison]

Go to the illuvidex website

[full zinc]

Hey! I think the daily resource extraction missions haven't been updated to reflect the nerf to our extractors. Today's mission, "extract 100 Hyperion from a Hyperion site," is labeled as "easy," but I think it's quite challenging for players with small lands 😅

[hearty cedar]

I still have the extract 500 carbon one since that start, about 3 weeks ago, i dont have a carbon mine...........................

[foggy bison]

I know I still have a long way to go... My extractor is at L2, and at 150% it's only 6 to 6 conversion. Maybe it's positive at higher levels...

Yeah, thanks, fellow slumlord, that's what I thought.

[last tiger]

Atm 136% it's the sweet spot I'm aiming to 126% cuz u only lose 1 and u can make more converters

[twin oracle]

This 75% nerf is so bad. Can't believe they did that only to try get fuel more expensive when sell. This nerf kill the investment you did do bought the land

[quick siren]

They did it without consulting the DAO

Which pretty much nullifies the whole point of a DAO

[last tiger]

thats true

[rigid aspen]

They are adding leviathan arena/gauntlet focus soon--as I understand it. You'll be able to use your own illuvials in that one.

[rigid aspen]

They will eventually increase production to lower prices again and bring balance to the economy--then you'll have another thing to complain about, lower fuel selling prices...

[winter ivy]

Soon or soon soon soon?

[rigid aspen]

I am hoping for next season, which is 11 days away? Not sure if it'll be that quick though.

[last tiger]

very impressive for a tier 1

nexus 9 already?

im struggling atm

i think i did too much crypton converters now im paying the price

[round harbor]

Anyone here who has already a level 6 converter? I could upgrade now to level 6 but the tooltip says it does not increase the passive fuel production when going from level 5 to level 6. Is this actually true or just a problem with the tooltip?

[atomic cove]

it decreases the time

[last tiger]

omg really? xD

from 288h to?

power stations don't affect that timer right?

[atomic cove]

nop

[radiant sky]

It does?

🙃

[atomic cove]

it does? 🧐

[radiant sky]

Was a question

Nvm 😄

[round harbor]

Hmm, when I click on update it still shows 16 and 288 h.

[last tiger]

At least that could be implemented

[last tiger]

Hum

[atomic cove]

then maybe it doesn't 😅

thought it did

[radiant sky]

I actually Like that path affect the timer and powerstations efficiency

Maybe something with efficiency Change with lvl Change of powerstations could be nice

[last tiger]

So u upgrade for nothing wtf

[atomic cove]

yeah this lvl 1 power stations spam

[radiant sky]

Have you checked active conversion time ?

[atomic cove]

higher conversion quantity

[last tiger]

I like that too but it doesn't affect the passive fuel timer and it could

[radiant sky]

Powerstation Spam in General

[radiant sky]

It should, i think 🤔

[tired aurora]

btw, where did money from the landsale go?

[radiant sky]

Stakers

[tired aurora]

as revdivs?