🎮〕illuvium-zero

[tardy falcon]

it depends

[spring jetty]

Or is it 3.5

I forgot

[tardy falcon]

Fuel is selling between .0000006 and .0000017... ish
Thats a big range depending on what u list your fuel to sell at

[spring jetty]

Roi is pretty bad rn

[tardy falcon]

if you list at the high, that would be say 1500 fuel/day x $0.0044 = $6.6 at the high end

or $3 at the low end

ish

[pearl marten]

1. so to understand this better - when we research now and get a blueprints is it random for which type of armor we get it?.. because there's no way to select the suit you want to research for
   and
2. is it possible to research an archie (T1 illuvial) blueprint for a T5 suit for example?
3. will the skin produced be bonded for that specific suit ? let's say i have a T3 rypter skin for a T3 stage1 armor - will i be able to put that skin on another suit? (maybe there's no info on this yet but i'd like to understand how it'll all work)

[minor pagoda]

1. weighted random yes, biodata determines illuvial tier (scanning stage), research lab stage determines suit line tier
2. yes
3. yes, no

[tardy falcon]

@minor pagoda it is understandable that something needed to be done to stop the price from falling so fast and so low. Looks like the adjustment has accomplished that.

How about the side affect of landowners being crippled in their ability to do OW runs now? Is there any consideration for making OW accessible for landowners now that their personal playing power is also reduced by 75%

[midnight holly]

but based on what number ? .0000006 or 0.0000017 lol

[tardy falcon]

both

[spring jetty]

On a t4 both

[midnight holly]

ok ok i listen thx

but still roi is kinda hard to estimate now

[tardy falcon]

roi for t4 should be around $20-30/day

[midnight holly]

looks bad, might not be that bad

[spring jetty]

Agree

Land is pretty dead horrible rn

[pearl marten]

so basically if the research lab determines the suit tier .. a rhamphy research can be made only with Lvl 5 res lab -> therefore T5 illuvial BPs are only for T5 suits

Doesn't make too much sense(unless i'm missing something) because you wouldn't be able to research a rhamphy BP for lower Tier suits, but viceversa is possible as you just said that you can research an archie BP (which is T1) for a T5 suit

[radiant sky]

you sure?
If i remember right it was always the case that you can get a blueprint data just once.
This would help one not getting dissapointed getting the same blueprint twice and also helps gather different blueprints. With every blueprint found you increase chances of getting actually high tier blueprints.
So one putting in effort and money, likely gets some desirable ones.

Being able to get blueprint duplicates makes BP more of a lottery as it should be imo.
Instead of play for progress you basically sit at a slot machine and pray for rnjesus.

[inland shore]

What a mess this is

[midnight holly]

how far you are you will say ? grosly

[tardy falcon]

wdym?

[midnight holly]

should be 20$/30$ but now how much

[spring jetty]

With the current production rate, we will never achieve 20-30$ per day

[tardy falcon]

I don't understand the question

now it's $3-7/day

[neat venture]

what is the usage of biodata?

[spring jetty]

Also with the current demand, it's also pretty fucked

[midnight holly]

thanks you, number always help

[minor pagoda]

We'll have to see on the first part for a bit longer than just today how demand evolves

I empathize with the latter as a mixed land owner/token owner/OW collector myself, the main answer I have for you is that we'll have to release the feature, see what land holders do with it as a collective and go from there, one of the economic fears would be that every player that spends is a land holder and only pays for his own runs and therefore the DAO earns no revenue (extreme example to make a point)

[tardy falcon]

I def get that. That crossed my mind as well. But likely there is a mix of strictly fuel sellers/both sellers n players/players... but data will help determine more specifically

[radiant sky]

pretty unlikely scenario were too many landholders just play and even if all landholders would, that would mean we have paying dau of 6k people which is another problematic.
wouldn't you say?

[neat venture]

guys what is the usage of biodata?

[minor pagoda]

A few things:

• I'm not actually sure if you can only research a Rhamphy blueprint with a S5 lab, never got that far
• I am quite sure that a S5 lab only 'unlocks' the possibility of a T5 suit blueprint being an outcome, but the weights are still there. In short: without a T5 lab the weights for T5 suits are 0, with it they are non-zero but also not "1"
• For Archie you need the S5 lab to get the T5 suit blueprint

[minor pagoda]

If we had 100k paying DAU we wouldn't make this supply adjustment as demand would likely be high enough to warrant the release supply, no one here is saying we don't have a demand problem given said supply

It is an unlikely scenario in the extreme, the question is the degree of its truth, furthermore we've tried to "guess" the aggregate behaviour of land holders before and failed, so I don't want to assume too much here

[minor pagoda]

I am not sure, my definition of "sure" tends to be extremely... sure, this is "I've been told internally last time I asked"

[radiant sky]

yea, wasn't really thinking about the supply adjustment, more of the possiblity as a general feature for landholders of z tier to be able to at least do x runs in y time if he decides to transfer fuel to ow ranger... independent of fuel price

[rose thicket]

@minor pagoda just going to say thanks. This is the type of constructive and substantive engagement that landholders need from the team.

[pearl marten]

Yep i am there and i can 100% say that a T4 illuvial for example must be researched using a minimum lvl 4 research lab .. you cannot do it using a T3 lab (i've tried 😄 )

But thanks for you answers so far and for your time .. we should really do this more often 😄

[signal dew]

Hi so have we moved more to blueprint lotto strategies now since we cant make anything on fuel?

[minor pilot]

fuel is old news mate we've moved on from there 🙂

[signal dew]

Haha thats what im getting

Need to max out my scanner now

[last tiger]

I have a question...passive fuel converters are affected by the roads and the efficiency? For the time they produce the passive?

Lets say I have 1 at 50% and another at 150% the time it takes to produce the passive it's the same for both?

[junior depot]

Can you find T5 BP with only the S1 scanner?

[river ember]

The conversion for solon and other reduced?

[little moon]

yep

#📣〕announcements message

[burnt viper]

lmao, your concern is that the DAO can't get money from 7,898 unique land owner wallets (because they can self fund their runs)? The number is probably a lot lower too, since not all zero players will do runs.

Eventually whales or centralized entities will take up a large share of lands, and use it for industrial farms, instead of even playing.
Your free to launch, new lands (with lesser resources and make them not afford runs) but to punish current landowners is crazy

Doesn't that sound petty? DAO and illivium has many ways to create income from this game, trading royaltieis, trading fees, marketplace, staking fees and so much more. But it sounds like you guys are hyper focused on, is land players and the bread crumbs they made

What's next?

Is every landowner utility that becomes profitable, you will add a DAO and nerf it for landowners?

I don't mean to offend, but your focus is wrong here, and too early to be focusing on this, when you just launched a game.

[winter parcel]

Can I top up a fuel into Illuvium Zero land?

[misty rock]

Will we be able to use out own fuel in Illuvial Overworld?

[little moon]

I believe they are working on it. Not sure when it would be live

[random siren]

did you ever find a solution to this?

[paper flame]

No. Land seems to be a flop anyway.

[random siren]

3 weeks into launch 🤣 cmon bro

[signal dew]

Need to get it on consoles is that something that can happen maybe?

[rose thicket]

Knight, you got some insight. T4s broke the 5.8K resistance since the patch announcement. We are down to 7.8K NFT holders and consolidating.

[astral agate]

i wonder how they will sell the other 80k lands now.

[rose thicket]

Probably similar to how well the next fundraising round will go at $40 ILV if we do not work hand in hand to fix what we got.

Damn, I thought I was doing some good in June '22 buying T3 w/ 50% discount SILV2 at bottom of dutch auction. I am getting my ass handed to me with 32 month duration hold and at these prices.

[prime loom]

Well said. This is 100% the core of the fuel issue👆👆👆

[ivory timber]

Let's hope they never do, otherwise us who spent tens of thousands to get megacitys on launch are royaly fucked

[prime loom]

If the only paying players that OW attracts are land holders...I don't even know what to say

[midnight holly]

better not to say anything then, market now proove your wrong

[stoic rapids]

🌎 🧑‍🚀 🔫 🧑‍🚀

[ivory timber]

I'd like to play OW, but my laptop too crappy.
Need a gaming PC. Or for it to come to PS5

[subtle frost]

my fuels are selling pretty fast unless one person was buying them up. I was selling at average price

I made a pretty penny

$1.30 USD

in ETH of course

[midnight holly]

fortune are made with pennies, congrats

[subtle frost]

soon I will have 1 ETH

in 3,000 days

[autumn berry]

T1 - 205$

[ivory badger]

Tier1 should be 35 to 50 now

[subtle frost]

by the way does anyone know how I find out how much I bought my land for I forgot

35 USD to 50 USD for T1?

[ivory badger]

Ya

[subtle frost]

oh really. and T2? 10 to 20

[astral agate]

I dont know if ppl are going to give them anymore $

[subtle frost]

mna.. really ILV is going so low.. Crypto is going down as well?

[burnt viper]

205 / 4 = $50 😂.

[subtle frost]

nice

[sage bough]

I think I had $75 fair price when I ran some gorilla math

[subtle frost]

nice

why is ILV going down is it because overall crypto is also going that direction?

by the way how to increase path bonus? add more power station along the roads?

[tardy falcon]

make as many buildings touch the path... only needs to touch in one spot

[subtle frost]

how high percentage are people getting bonus? does it increase speed or upgrades and building buildings?

[rain thicket]

@minor pagoda are you the economist on the team?

Also, @minor pagoda can you help us (land owners) understand who, specifically from the team, made and implemented this change to fuel production?

[little moon]

When you max nexus to LVL 9, you can build 202 buildings. The max path bonus is 20%

[rain thicket]

I only ask because it would be nice to host a town hall/open forum with the people from the team who make such decisions so we can have a conversation and hopefully restore lines of communication between the team and community.

We all still want this to work and I’d hate for this to continue to drive a wedge between the team and the land holder community. The longer there is a lack of communication, the worse this will all most likely get.

Would it be possible to get the people responsible for this change and any interested investors/land owners into a town hall/open forum/conversation.

Texting on discord is nice for many situations but this one seems like it merits a live in person (digital) conversation.

That is unless your decisions are all final and you are not interested in feedback/negotiations with the land holders.

The landholders have placed their trust in you and the team and you obviously have all the power so if you choose not to negotiate or hear us out, there’s nothing we can do, but I still have faith in the team and hope you all would like to work this out with us.

Thoughts @minor pagoda?

[rose thicket]

curious, how many plots are you holding?

[rain thicket]

I’d rather not say but it’s not insignificant.

My desire to fix this is more based on my desire to see the project succeeded. My investment is not small, but if the project fails, I can afford to lose what I have invested. My interest in having this conversation has more to do with the overall health and success of the project. I have been with the project as an investor since the very early days and I would really like to see it succeed. The community has always been one of the greatest assets of this entire project, and I fear the lack of communication, especially during dramatic moves like the reduction in fuel production, can continue to do more harm to the community than people may realize.

[rose thicket]

I concur. We have an alliance of landholders forming now with over 500 plots working for constructive measures of reform.

[rain thicket]

I think it is safe to say the launch has been underwhelming when it comes to player base and revenue, which is fine, but these are the times that the community needs to be coming together to create solutions not attacking one another.

[rose thicket]

we would like to stay in touch and run future IIPs and ICCPs by you for review.

[rain thicket]

This move to Nerf fuel without any communications at all to the landholders has been shady to say the least in my opinion. I think we need to hurry up and correct this mistake before it causes more damage. I am truly trying to do it is in the best interest of the project.

[versed vault]

the passives don't get bonuses from the 150% efficiency do they?

[mossy sorrel]

they should

[minor pilot]

i think we all can agree that the nerf was needed fuel prices were going to 0. As we all know its down to lack of players hopefully they can steadily improve this

[sage bough]

So I think this last week some were off, or trying to take some time away. Not sure when they're returning. Believe they were taking a break after the very busy time into the big launch to try to decompress. I was a little surprised to even see the patch Friday.

[rain thicket]

I realize this is a complicated problem, and I realize it will require nuanced solutions. As a landholder I understand that when the project under performs, so will I and I am willing to take hits with the team, but it feels really bad and demotivating when the people you were trying to be loyal to do something like this out of nowhere and shock the community.

[versed vault]

I'm kinda new and haven't sold any fuel yet so still in observation mode

[rain thicket]

@minor pagoda said that they always want to learn from their actions and do better and I hope that is true. This is a time to put that into action if it’s true so we will see if that happens or if it’s just words to try to pacify a (justifiably) upset community.

[minor pilot]

i think ive sold about 100 just to see how it works, but will continue to build out my plot's and watch how things develop. i sure ther's lots of things being considered to improve the situation and as the team gets back things etc will be implimented im not overly worried i just a shame this was required

[stuck vine]

so today price fuel have been go up or still down after update ???

[minor pilot]

You can be sure they will want to get the production rates back to where they were asap demand permitting

[rose thicket]

do you have a basis? or is that speculative hopium?

[flat steeple]

True, they could always leave the same. In current fuel production of land not equivalent to market fuel demand. They implement a land sell. If they want.

[minor pilot]

Its pretty much common sense as no game wants a pissed off community. Those production levels were set with giving land owners a 2 year ROI in mind which they thought was fair(which i think most of us agree with). LZ is the basis of the economy and atm its broken, its really doing Illuvium in general no favours so its only logical that they would want to put things back as they were when everyone was happy and positive about the whole project

[misty rock]

Need a few days to stablize. Because DAO may still hold a lot.

I suspect they have to reduce the Land Owner Fuel production because we are front running the fuel sale from the dao. We price is at the lowest botton. They can't sell first. So if they reduce our production. Less front runner. They get to sell more at the price we sold at.

If the above it true. Then they really should look into dynamic DAO minting count. Example if the price goes up. Means demand is there. DAO can mint more without affecting much of the price

[foggy sage]

Brother the dao doesnt hold anything it creates infinite supply.

[stuck vine]

right they print many fuel take all money dont let land owner have anythink

[misty rock]

DAO mint 19x every one we sell

[minor pilot]

dont they just generate 19:1 at the same price we sell at as otherwise it doesnt give the correct ratio

[foggy sage]

It mints 19 fuel for every 1 fuel.some pne tries to sell and it creates fuel.out of thin air how do you think people at the start of the game could buy crypton and do stage 3 runs.

[versed vault]

has anyone heard about an upcomming patch that allows us to level past 201?

[stuck vine]

the ratio only need 5:1 or 7:1 let the land owner can make money

[rose thicket]

Understood and agree entirely with your logic. BTW, it is about 4.25 year old if my math is correct with ILO of June '22. Would like to keep you informed of our future IIP/ICCP work for landholders.

[gleaming sigil]

Why instead of decreasing the supply they set fixed fuel prices . No free market, X amount of fuel cost x amount in dollars and problem solved.

Is better than having to do stuff like this everytime fuel goes down too much or up too much

[random siren]

they wanted the price fluctuation to be a part of the game economy, problem is its only a hybrid atm

[gleaming sigil]

Well it's not working, I think is just making everything more complicated that it should.

Any game in which you have to pay for in game currencies prices are fixed, this should not be different.

[stuck vine]

the price the NFT in arena and OW up to every day why the land owner have been like that so fuck

[random siren]

Illuvium want to do things differently, I think once we fully implement a free market system and it dosent work, then we can think of changing the model

[versed vault]

free market.. is that on the horizon?

[gleaming sigil]

The wheel is round no need to make it other form.

[atomic zealot]

No, they make their money on fuel. Land owners are a liability

[random siren]

yes they are working on how the fuel exchange works atm

[gleaming sigil]

Fixed prices will be an instant solution. 1350 fuel = 9$
450 = 3$ 150 =1$

No bullishit and everyone knows how much they are paying and selling

[random siren]

write a iip

[torpid quail]

So everytime someone list 1 fuel they create 19 to sell?

[little moon]

yep

[torpid quail]

lol if that’s true they are they reason we have to much fuel.

So land is suppose to produce fuel for owning land and that fuel is sold to players to play the game as a benefit for owning and supporting the game, yet they over produce by creating 19x for every 1 fuel someone create, so they need fuel production. I bought a t2 to play the game long term, and t2 only makes 2 dollars a day max at the cost of 1k ROI is almost 2 years, not it makes .5 a day I don’t even care anymore

To be log in

They could of reduced there output to 5x and it would of been fair for land owners and people buying land now

[atomic zealot]

The core problem is player base unfortunately no where near enough paying players on the game.

[torpid quail]

This game prob won’t pick up anymore traction, it’s a lose lose if people invest , free players might play for fun, but I doubt they will do very well now, they already shown to land owners, that they will nerf production value finding a different solution, like lowering the cost to go to different stages and cutting there production by half, no one wants to spend money to play the game to lose money on every journey which seems like it’s the case, I only bought land to avoid paying and being self sustaining but that’s out the window already, I can kiss my 1k t2 investment goodbye

[midnight holly]

It's a good start imo, I was thinking about it also. Moving forward, it'll be easier, like creating bundles/recipes: xfuel + yfuel + zfuel = Stage 1 ticket.simple mod. We also need some stability, so pegging fuel to the dollar (or vice versa) would help. We're still using ETH to buy it, with xETH = 1 Stage 1. An oracle can handle the conversion rate.

(the oracle part might not be possible atm)

[flat steeple]

Always the possibility. What does it matter if land owners riot? Token holders are the ones to be pleased

[rigid aspen]

What are you talking about? I was able to set it to sell at .0000026, the top rail price.

[near tusk]

Oh shit really? We top railing out here?

[midnight holly]

feel like a roulette russe buying right now honestly

[stuck vine]

how can check the change of price fuel

[midnight holly]

with the book : https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange?section=ledger

[stuck vine]

you check this form where

[midnight holly]

take buyer orders :

[tardy falcon]

Nice! Maybe we can get a bump in fuel production sooner rather than later

[stuck vine]

i dont see chart price fuel ?? where can see that

[midnight holly]

not chart, just numbers. charts are made out of it.

[stuck vine]

here like that

[midnight holly]

yeah beautifull one

but its done manually

[prisma trout]

@tardy falcon I just bought fuel to upgrade my buildings and it doesn't show up in my fuel inventory. Any suggestions?

[rigid aspen]

Not sold any, but thats where I set mine...

[midnight holly]

and where is the hamster haircut wen we need it

[quick arch]

Hey! First time opening the app on my phone, quick question: the Tier 0's start with a ‘*’ in the name right?

[midnight holly]

rekt

[quick arch]

I see “ *Plot 214746382 “

Is that a T0 land that mimics a T4?

I don't remember buying a Tier 4 in Taiga Boreal

[flat steeple]

Yes

[flat steeple]

Could be any land, mine is a T3

[quick arch]

Thanks mala juju!

[prisma trout]

@opal thistle
Do you happen to know why when I bought fuel to upgrade my buuldings it isn't showing up in my fuel inventory?

[junior hollow]

you can only buy fuel to use in the Overworld

[prisma trout]

@quick arch
I think that's the f2p plot. That's what my f2p plot is

@junior hollow
Oh dang. I only have zero. Niw what?

[junior hollow]

use it to try the Overworld

[prisma trout]

@junior hollow
Can I transfer it to my son? He plays OW. I don't have a PC

[junior hollow]

we can't transfer fuel yet..

[prisma trout]

@junior hollow
Well dang. I guess it's sitting in lala land

[junior hollow]

he can log in and use your account no?

[prisma trout]

@junior hollow
Yes. I'll try it. Thanks

[shut wave]

People were in love with the pokemon characters! With Illuvium the primary has always been making money. I think the team should do things to create the love for the illuvials!

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-final-kamehameha-vegito-blue-super-saiyan-gif-14020791668240914382

[prisma swift]

Is there an appropriate process to letting a scholar play and sell fuel without being able to withdraw the land asset?

[mossy sorrel]

sucks to be that guy... hope it wasn't you

[tardy falcon]

Ohhhh u can’t add fuel into your plots.

When u buy fuel it is for overworld use only

If u look in your account through illuvidex you will see the fuel u bought there

[empty cosmos]

im just play how to see my land
i clik dex market sell fuel search my plot not found ???

[midnight holly]

sure Silv2 buyer anyway, we are fine ?

[dim stream]

Sooo I’m producing way less fuel now and the price of fuel hasn’t changed. What’s going on there. Did they reduce the fuel cost to travel etc?

[prisma trout]

@tardy falcon
Thank you. I didn't realize that. It's such a snail's pace trying to update my nexus & other buildings I was actually willing to spend money because it will take much longer now to produce the needed fuel. Maybe my son can lig into my account and do a run in OW. I don't have a PC anymore

[tardy falcon]

Maybe yah… has he done runs yet?
He’ll prob want to get all the necessary equipment and build a team from the s0 runs first if not.

[prisma trout]

He's been in since the beginning and doung well. He's a staker as well. He got me into this IZ because he thought I could maybe earn a few dollars to supplement my income. I invested 1k to buy a T1 & this newest change has got me pretty unhappy. I loved the first version and made blueprints & everything. Now I can't even update my buildings. I feel like I just lost 1k. I know it's beta, but dang

@tardy falcon
I gave him the blueprints and he just forged a gorgeous siut of armor for his ranger.

He plays probably 10-12 hrs a day in OW mostly & arens

[tardy falcon]

Nice that he made armor!!

Ok cool yah just have him use the fuel then

[prisma trout]

@tardy falcon
He'd have to lig into my account to do that, right?

[tardy falcon]

I feel u… this whole fuel nerf sux but it’s understandable they have to do something. But there’s a cost right? Demoralizes land players. They will see it and do something… cuz it’s def not sustainable for those who wanted to play ow or upgrade or do science

[tardy falcon]

Yep

Or through your passport

In the main game

[stuck vine]

how u now the market need how much, have any info about that

[prisma trout]

@tardy falcon
He helped me transfer my eth to passport, but I wasn't sure if I could give him the fuel or he'd have to log into my account & do a run on there

@tardy falcon
Oh, ok. Thank you muchly

@tardy falcon
Have a great night. I'm off to sleepy land...lol

[tardy falcon]

Night ⭐️

[shut wave]

Was there a vote in the council for this decision?

[tardy falcon]

Iip39 states they can rebalance fuel as needed

[livid kestrel]

It’s disappointing to see this. From our perspective, we’ve already invested in the lands, showing our loyalty and commitment to your game. It feels like you're not supportive of us self-funding our runs. With only around 7,000 of us, if this is truly a concern, it’s time to step up your game.

[tawny patio]

@dreamy maple hello sent you a dm and request.

[hidden nest]

This fear is preventing Illuvium from having a free market. We are in beta. At some point during this beta you could try it out and see if the fear is real.

I say it's not.

[rigid aspen]

Solan back to top rail almost

[stuck vine]

so this price go up ??

[rigid aspen]

Yeah, the price of solon is 3x more than it was yesterday

[stuck vine]

oh good new

But still so low with the fuel can make

[hidden nest]

Hey guys, how do I increase efficiency? I see locations plays a big role. But I can only get 80% and some buildingni have have 108% but just from pure luck I don't understand what is affecting efficiency.

Please help?

[misty rock]

Well we should propose a Dynamic Minting Ratio.

5% Land Owner and 95% DAO @ Normal Market condition. Which means price for fuel is what the Dev team design it to be.

If it fall lower. The Ratio change dynamically to lowest 50:50 ratio.

Example
DAO Fixed the price for fuel @ $0.0068. This will be 100%

[tardy falcon]

Fk I hate IMX Passport

[shut wave]

I like this idea!

[shut wave]

I also hold a fair amount of ilv locked in. Its fine by me.

[twilit bough]

Power stations near the building

[shut wave]

They dont look like almost there to me...

One is at market pricing and one at minimum rail.

[rigid aspen]

For a T4 if you sold at bad prices, you'd be making like $4-5 a day. But if you wait to sell during boom cycles, you can make like $12-15. The simple fact is that playerbase is growing, and hopefully along with it we will see continous fuel usage and purchasing. This will drive the need to boost production again, and I think we'll see high fuel production again.

[shut wave]

Thats a $1.20 vs 0.28 Cents!

[tardy falcon]

yep... it's a new game... timing buys and sells

[rigid aspen]

Can't look at that. Not accurate to real pricing. Got to look at recent purchase orders to see what the current bonus is. I got a very small bonus on solon just a few mins ago.

[vivid cipher]

More power stations nearby increases efficiency. Being to close to similar convertors significantly reduces the efficiency.

[hidden nest]

Thank you

[hidden nest]

Thank y

[empty cosmos]

why i cant search my plot ???
any couch here to teach me

[ionic wharf]

Maybe it's in my head, but I think the passive fuel generator from converters hasn't gone down, I'm still getting 6 fuel every other day as it was before patch.

[pallid hornet]

Prices are not stable

[vivid cipher]

Where are you searching?

[thorny crater]

word

https://tenor.com/view/nightmare-before-christmas-jack-skellington-gif-19329701

[empty cosmos]

fuel exchange sell
land plot

[vivid cipher]

Do you own a land nft? Or are you just using the f2p plot?

[empty cosmos]

i type mu id plot not found
f2p

[split root]

What are the plants for. Do you remove them early or after they mature

[vivid cipher]

F2P plot cannot sell fuel. Cannot mint fuel. Cannot mint anything really. F2P is just for getting missions points. Or for fun.

[vivid cipher]

When you remove them you get some elements. If you wait until mature you get more.

[empty cosmos]

o0o Thanks

so how to get earn for free player like me

[vivid cipher]

How to make money for free? Not on zero.

[split root]

Is there a way to remove the F2P plot of my list or to hide it long term.

[rigid aspen]

Definitely not (low ball land fuel sellers stabbing themselves in the foot...), but its a much much better situation than it was when it was falling...

[sharp cobalt]

I don't know how to play now

[vivid cipher]

Not likely

[split root]

Thanks 🙏

[sharp cobalt]

I voted for him, otherwise I would leave

The project really disappointed me

What you said in the beginning is different from what you do now

[empty cosmos]

Thank and where i can earn money start

[vivid cipher]

You go to your profile and see the missions and see which ones you can complete for airdrop points.

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/account/missions?tab=all

[split root]

Can we have a different chat for all the chatter about fuel and the economy. ?

Do roads affect efficiency of buildings other than speed boost. Talking about efficiency like what power plants do

[tardy falcon]

Prices will fluctuate between a range of whatever lowest price sellers list at... all the way up to top rail price... depending on how much supply is in the orderbook.

the lower a seller lists at then it guarantees a quick sale

since supply has been lessened the supplu is thin and fuel gets bought up more quickly now

But then more sellers list at a low price and it goes back down... that's why there is so much diversity and chop in the fuel market now

[tardy falcon]

roads only affect speed of upgrades and harvest and such

[pallid hornet]

Yes, I understand. Landowners sometimes list fuel at the minimum price, but I wonder if this minimum price doesn't increase

[tardy falcon]

Idk the mechanic of what would make the minimum price increase... or if it ever will. seems like the system is set up to allow for a small percentage decrease as sellers undercut each other... but IDK if that recovers over time or not. haven't paid enough attention to watch that.

[fathom burrow]

My game reloads every time i want to build or move a building, what can I do? Who to contact about this?? This is happening since the update .. tested on pc too and its the same

[deep granite]

Your land is too full, filling it like that breaks the plot currently 😦

I think you need to make sure you have spots for plants to grow

[fathom burrow]

Really? damn ok, will try to remove the roads and i’ll see then

tnx

[shut wave]

Oh really! It doesnt affect the time it takes for fuel to generate etc?

[deep granite]

I think try making sure you have at least 1 4x4 space for plants or moving things

[tardy falcon]

it does... that's what I mean by harvest

[shut wave]

Oh yes. Sorry.

[versed warren]

I'm going to make a guide on YouTube.

[shut wave]

Are you talking as a landowner? Because when I sell fuel. What I showed you is what I get paid when I sell fuel. Not sure players are getting less bonus to not make the game look almost free. But what I receive is waaay less than what you are saying.

[hoary grail]

Do fuel converters increase passive generation as they level up to the next tier? When I highlight the upgrade to next tier it doesn't show me a bonus

[fathom burrow]

it worked, thanks again 👍

[versed warren]

Each level has a % that effects it. Lvl 3 is 126%

[deep granite]

Awesome 🙂

[rigid aspen]

I am saying for "solon fuel" the price reached only a 38% bonus, which is much close to top rail than 2 days ago, where it was getting a 200%+ bonus for a while.

[inner ice]

Why doesnt my fuel sell even tho im Selling bottom rail?

[open stratus]

Tenchincally there is no bottom rail

Also. Why couldn't we as land owners sell our fuel to the DAO at current market price, and they do all the fuel transactions? Why is there a broken hidden bidding war??

[random siren]

Team is working on this

[open stratus]

In what sense ? The broken ? Or us even partaking in market bids

(Not that anyone is generating a lot of fuel atm anyway) 🤣

[minor pagoda]

Calling it our "focus" is a stretch, it's a risk that we have to think about, personally not crazy worried about it. All I'm saying is let's release the feature, make sure it works and then feel free to reach out to me here and chat

[minor pagoda]

S1 scanner cant find T5 biodata is the more accurate description

[minor pagoda]

Not really, but I help out and review a lot in that regard, especially the last couple of months. I made the detailed tweaks to this patch yes
I'm not the best for a town hall as I like to think about my words a bit before I speak them especially with these kinds of topics, but I'm not completely opposed to it either, perhaps a "textual town hall" could be an option

[lyric lodge]

whatas going on the zero, changes plots and logs me out !!!

reallu annoying

[minor pagoda]

I am supportive of self-funding your runs, but not with the risk of a too significant portion of paying players to be fully self-funded as that could lead to much more dire consequences, even for land holders. We need to step up our game and fix some glaring demand issues, fully agreed

[lyric lodge]

Its really slow aswell

[minor pagoda]

Or for example I have a quick chat with council members who are on given timelines and they can host a town hall - like event, thoughts @hearty cradle ?

[quick arch]

Wait, time does not count if I have the app closed? Do I really need to have the app running 24/7? That sounds very environmentally unfriendly

[misty rock]

Fuel price is slowly going up as Bonus is lowering. I think DAO's Holding is reducing now.

[versed warren]

Maybe land holders should get x amount of tickets that we can use to do runs. So instead of using fuel we get land only tickets that can be used, that way fuel for others can be priced and land holders can still do an occasional run here an there

[misty rock]

Who Support Dynamic DAO Minting Policy? Keeping 5% : 95% on Stable Price and Adjust dynamically to balance the minting to achieve stable price?

Below is a proposal Dynamic System.

✅ Support Dynamic Dao Minting Policy
❌ Keep the DAO 95% Minting Policy

If Price of Fuel Dump because low demand. Then supply will dramatically reduce. This will raise price nearer to 100% level.

If Demand goes above design price. The Dao will mint more. This will increase supply and balance demand lowering price nearer to 100% Level

DAO Mint the Fuel base on the price sold by land owner / base on latest transaction. This is up to the Dev to decide. Utimately it depend on how the inner queue system inside the marketplace work. I believe the DAO should also have a person help trading and selling their holding of the fuel like how a broker in an exchange work. They can choose to Hodle or sell as they wish

[hearty cradle]

yea i believe we can utilize the council, especially the icc to disseeminate information to the community. in the past, we had IMC AMA in discord. additionally, most of council members (except me) are content creators

[open stratus]

Who determines what the 100% price should be

[plucky venture]

I'm pro-Discord AMA.

But the "long game" is that land holders are a shrinking percentage of player base. At launch, we are the group with some of the largest $$ invested. So, yeah, we are hype to play. It makes sense we are a significant chunk of the player base, today. However, if the player base never grows to where land holders are < 10% of players, then that's not the land holders' fault, you know? We have hyped to friends and evangelized to others. We are invested and hope more people play.

To me, it was very short-sighted to blindside us with this. Even if this was the Will of the DAO and there was nothing we could do to change it, giving us a few days of heads-up would have been minimum courtesy. I'm now bottlenecked to develop some of my plots because of decisions I made thinking fuel would be X, and now it is way below X. In addition, my OW game now feels crazy nerfed alongside IZ.

I still contend that 99% of the issue is that there is no transfer mechanism. OW players like me were selling at the bottom price just to make "fast transfers" when we suddenly needed to cure a shard or make armor or runs we weren't expecting. This pushes the price down, but it seems we can now at least accomplish a quick-enough transfer at the "average" price.

Maybe we are an afterthought or collateral damage, but in some ways, that makes it worse. I've put $20k-25k into this thing, already ... so, you can understand why I might feel a bit insulted, I hope.

[atomic cove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[stuck vine]

DAO don't talk or don't hear any we talk to hear no see any admin or something can fix or update for landowner

[ionic wharf]

It’s weekend, tomorrow we should have some discussion going on.

[stuck vine]

where DAO open ?? i dont see any tell

[fickle loom]

If you restart playing, try to close and restart the app. My timers are well after that.

[atomic cove]

Just created a thread for this. Those numbers should be looked at by the team, but regardless of that, what matters here is we should be pushing for this conversation to happen ASAP.
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274644572378501182

[misty rock]

Dev team or DAO.

[rose thicket]

You have to peg to USD as ETH is too volatile. You must create a sizable liquidity pool. It would dramatically help if fuel production was not 20x levered. So this logic is similar to what I am proposing. If we never get to a mature order book the other assets in ecosystem such as skins will never align with fuel.

[willow dust]

I saw some pictures of ILZ where some buildings would be lvl 100+ . Will there be max level increases in the future?

[cinder fractal]

Can we do something already with blueprints? Also when I find a blueprint from a specific biodata for an armor can we find another one or is it only that one?

[hushed dagger]

lootrush.com/sign-up?ref=7458d720

[cinder fractal]

I found a few days ago shell stage 1 from the biodata stage 2, I thought how stage will be the same

[hushed dagger]

list more lands please

you get bonus for listing on lootrush

[ruby rover]

Will illuvium distribute rewards after season 1 ?.. or is it after the 6month campaign? @cinder fractal

[tulip perch]

IZ requires paitinece after nexus iX ....lol Ima refusing to buy speedup in potest at fuel reductions and no direct transfer to my Overworld wallet

I got 8 to play so can pace mysefl including overworld runs

I got at nibmble floralinx biodata to play with so all is good but still not speeding up if i can help it 😉

we also need the old Iz Market place back ASAP ....pretty please

I want to trade with fraggy

dm are scams 😉

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[tulip perch]

Lars woukd never DM me ....lol

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[thin wolf]

Nope

Have his Discord id?

[tulip perch]

my DM's are closed sorry no

[daring citrus]

Morning people! Can anyone give me an estimate how much fuel a T1, T2 and T3 land produces? I just want to make some calculations before buying a piece 🤞

[timber sapphire]

With the current nerf probably not worth unless prices go down a lot

[daring citrus]

Yeah I understand. I want to take a risk here, and some estimates would really help a lot. Even if someone can just tell me how much fuel a max upgraded extractor/collector makes per 24h?

[timber sapphire]

T1 is 50 now, t2 150 and t3 I think would be 450 then? I'm not sure but I think something around that

[daring citrus]

Thank you very much 🙂

[timber sapphire]

T3 might be more idk how it works exactly with the bonus thingy

[timber sapphire]

Oh maybe it's less I thought there was another upgrade

[daring citrus]

The fuel buildings max at level 7?

[timber sapphire]

This is what the patch notes say

But it's weird because my stage 4 has 16 fuel extract. it is at 150% tho

[daring citrus]

Where can i see this information?

[timber sapphire]

#📣〕announcements 1 announcement up

[daring citrus]

Yeah the efficiency % would mix things up a lot

Once again, thanks so much for helping 🙂

Does the main building only go up to level 9?

[timber sapphire]

Yes

For now

[stuck vine]

what the price of fuel now ? have any change yesterday

[daring citrus]

you can check the current fuel price on the marketplace, https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange

[full zinc]

Hello! I've experienced several disconnections ("Your session has expired. For security reasons, please log in again to continue playing") from Illuvium Zero on PC in less than two hours. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? 😅

[lost walrus]

How awful is this tier 1 experience

Pfff

[candid cairn]

What is the benefit of having upgraded scanner?

[mossy sorrel]

scan higher tier biodata

[sterile stump]

Guys, anyone knows how to troubleshoot a plot? Support ticket raised.

Just wondering whether I can play sooner or not...

This is what I see when logging in on my plot. Had a level around 201, And suddenly all buildings disappeared...

For some reason I can't upload a screenshot 😅

[timber sapphire]

You can in #❓❗〕community-help

[sterile stump]

I did it yesterday there and I was redirected to raising a support ticket.

No progress on that since but it's not ven 24h so no hard feelings haha

[timber sapphire]

Yeah support is currently under a lot of work so might take a few days

[low river]

anyone interested on selling their t4 plot? 5900 USDC

[stray flame]

So quick questions
Are land owners getting rekt a bit here? ( for now at least..) in a sense of mint and post mint land prices for those who supported the mint and invested then and then the decrease in fuel generation per extractor down to (25%)… if fuel prices stay the same at around 0.0069 that will be a pretty big negative impact right? hopefully the decrease in fuel generation and slower progression increases
Fuel prices? But if there’s more land added later that could be problematic? As who minted originally already is at a loss. Again speaking on investment terms. Also if more land gets minted and not enough influx of players that could effect supply and demand causes further drop in prices?

Just saying love the game but wanted to hear +- of the fuel extraction decrease and impacts it will cause to game..
Hopefully it raises fuel prices but that would have to mean people in overworld will have to pay more to play right?

Thoughts??? Thanks guys

[vocal pasture]

Basically yes, we took a hit for the sake of the game. But…it might end up well, let’s see how the economy goes. It would be better just to allow to use the fuel in OW directly but it didn’t happen yet.
Regarding new land sales, I hope and pray they don’t happen until the game has some strong and stable economy and traction.
New lands would be a complete death blow in illuvium and landholders trust in the team. Cannot happen.

[atomic cove]

"use the fuel in OW directly but it didn’t happen yet" you'll always have to sell it before using. Even if it is something that is done automatically with users not being aware of it and just clicking a transfer button.

[vocal pasture]

Maybe. What I know is that I have a pile load of fuel stuck and have to buy with eth in order to play.

[atomic cove]

if your storage is fuel I would just sell honestly

[stray flame]

Thank you for the reply,
Yeah I hope so too bc it’s kinda unfair at that point to give thousands of dollars for some land plots and play for hours/months/ years (hopefully) to only be able to sell it later for 1/10th the price and fuel at 0.0069 lol

[vocal pasture]

How? It’s a pain to sell, even at minimum

[stray flame]

Agreed

[atomic cove]

yeah true dat

[vocal pasture]

Just demolishing power stations and stacking crypton storage things lol

[noble crag]

what is the difference between selling 0 fuel of 20 or 0 fuel of 200? until team will find a way to "sell" this game to masses we're all f*cked up

[vocal pasture]

Until then, we wouldn’t sell, would just do runs OW runs if we could use it as intended

[stray flame]

Also where can we check total player count

[noble crag]

but it's not possible to do runs with your own fuel anyway, so you can level up your storage and pile your fuel

[vocal pasture]

Yep. That’s what I am doing lol. Stacking storage containers :/

[atomic cove]

I just hope the team fixes the fuel exchange ASAP...

[vocal pasture]

Hope they don’t nerf containers suddenly and I wake up one day with 25% less fuel….

75% less

[craggy bison]

Dont bother a waste of money now !

[burnt viper]

this is copium lol

[vocal pasture]

Not necessarily a waste of money. It’s just more of a gamble now. No one has clear data on the present and future economy

[vocal pasture]

Only thing I got left lol

[prisma swift]

Is there an appropriate process to letting a scholar play and sell fuel without being able to withdraw the land asset?

[noble crag]

same as it was 2 years ago, we can wait 2 more years for this game to become popular

they just need to hire some economy designer from blizzard

[burnt viper]

try using Passport's external wallet, i think if u register a scholar wallet, they get access to the main passport wallet

[vocal pasture]

Hire Jerome Powell. That would solve it lololol

“Economists”

[gleaming sigil]

I wrote this yesterday https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274179377831084143 can you guys give some feedback

[foggy sage]

Feels like bidenomics to me

[vocal pasture]

Well…they kind of rate hiked in ILV. 30000 basis points in the “last meeting”

[craggy bison]

You can wait yet another 2 years if you like but to be honest I think ive waited long enough .I think some other web3 game like off the grid is going to steal the show as these clowns are clueless at how to run an in game economy !

[pseudo pulsar]

@craggy bison long way from sellinh nfts on ebay haha

[vocal pasture]

Let’s see…maybe it’s a matter of time…still optimistic

[stray flame]

Brrrrrrr

[vocal pasture]

This problem is “transitory” ;p

[craggy bison]

😂 very very true ,Just gobsmacked they made such a schoolboy error with the economy and now they dug themself a hole they cant get out of 🧠

[stray flame]

Maybe the dao can make less fuel so we can sell more lol

[craggy bison]

Nah that would be too much like a sensible idea 🤣

[vocal pasture]

That’s like asking yellen to spend less so the debt gets smaller…

[stray flame]

Just an idea lol

[stray flame]

Also to build land faster we need to produce more fuel they pretty much made it 4x harder?

[gleaming sigil]

What I think is that they shouldn't make fuel , unless there is scarcity, and they can earn by increasing the fees of fuel selling

[vocal pasture]

Some upgrade prices were lowered. Not by 75% so yes a bit harder but not 4x

[gleaming sigil]

Instead of flushing the market with artificial fuel

[vocal pasture]

Or they should make fuel when there is excess production to lower the price, and stop making when there is lack in order to up the price, within certain lower and top rails.

[gleaming sigil]

Is they ha e fixed prices there is no need for that

[vocal pasture]

Something along these lines:

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274644572378501182

[pseudo pulsar]

We need fuel stockpile like oil put tax on use to help fund poor land holders a small welfare system to help us stay on our feet !?

[vocal pasture]

Welfare?

[pseudo pulsar]

Yah so we get funds for working long days

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/so-bore-boring-bored-meme-bored-gif-bore-gif-7364067625160853279

[hardy brook]

Why is everyone so desperate to extract and make ROI less than a month from launch 😅.

If there's no demand don't sell it. If you've no room don't produce it. Just scan, upgrade and chill guys.

Our time will come

[pseudo pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-fine-hot-soup-bad-food-disgusted-table-gif-14755205

[vocal pasture]

I still believe that 🙂

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wink-trust-me-funny-gif-12503093

[noble crag]

not sure which other games can steal the pokemon show 🤔 to be honest atm there is no other game in web3 comparing to same quality as illuvium. same poor sh*t happens everywhere across web3. I hope Ubisoft can make a difference, but probably we need to wait for blizzard to be involved in web3)

[barren barn]

It's a bear market everywhere right now. Blood in the water. 🦈

[vocal pasture]

Printer is coming….brrr….

[stray flame]

My thoughts:

People bought land for thousands that sells for hundreds now… they contributed and minted and tested the game
They should be rewarded
Rewarding land owners… and OW players

My thoughts

• DAO should not produce fuel at this stage at all if they need money ok maybe raise the % from sales but don’t take from land owners.
• go back to the 4x fuel production per extractor or higher and lower the cost of things to upgrade till land owners can stand on their own feet and see some kind of profits and see they can make money playing hours months on a game that they paid thousands for they will play!?!?
• If land owners see a point to playing this game other than it’s fun but also see they can make money from it they will produce fuel!! For returns. In return they will sell bc dow will not produce fuel so fuel is scarce! In return they will want to sell their hoards of fuels to players for profit who will in return buy and play the game who will also profit! And then when both players on OW and ZERO are making money there will be YouTube videos like in axie how you can make 100$ or 1000$ of dollars a month playing this game and everyone will wanna play it’s similar to what happend to Axie infinity and that will cause players to come into ZERO and OW
• they don’t need to advertise the game works it’s good and fun.
  But they need the DAO not to produce at this stage
  And they need people to want to play this game bc it’s fun and you can make your investment back and profit if you put in time and work. After all isn’t crypto gaming popular BC people can make money from it? Just like Axie without the fail lol… but you get the point. I found out about Axie and other games bc every YouTuber was blowing them up talking about how they make money. Besides it’s not just a free to play it costs money to play you want to make money by playing otherwise Civilization 4-5 or pocket god is just as fun lol

[stray flame]

If dao can up and down production they should not be making fuel at all at this stage and let zero land owners want to play or they will crash the game

[noble crag]

who's going to pay for every player that came to earn money? who's going to pay for developers to do their job? play to earn mode is dead from the start

[little wagon]

Is there another way to get more builders beside paying for credits??

[noble crag]

buying credits

[gleaming sigil]

Play a lot to get coins

[willow dust]

You get some credits as you level up

[vocal pasture]

What doesn’t make sense is having 14k fuel in land, wanting to play OW to chase illuvials and stuff and having to pay more eth to buy fuel because I cannot sell or move mine.

[noble crag]

agree, I really hope team will figure this out properly

[gleaming sigil]

Play the free plot to get more coins

[vocal pasture]

Since I’m not willing to pay more, ill stop ow runs until this is fixed. How will that benefit anyone?

[willow dust]

I also think they shouldn't roll out an update on friday afternoon...

[noble crag]

I was not paying a penny as I was waiting for my land to give me back at least possibility to play for "free". not going to pay any further as that's dead wrong

[foggy sage]

i think it was smart basically forced the player base to git gudder

[willow torrent]

question: can a zeropoint transducer transfer resources between lands?

[midnight prawn]

A good way to combat too much fuel on the marketplace would be if the dao didnt print any fuel until it balanced out. But guess that will never happen 🥹

[minor pilot]

they have to maintain the 19:1 balance

[tardy falcon]

was a nice time to load up on fuel

[harsh dew]

#🎨〕community-content message

[minor pilot]

token holders want there fair share too

[willow torrent]

if a change was to happen where their ratio is variable to keep rails?

[stray flame]

Love this thx bro

[minor pilot]

the ratio has to remain the same as its the basic premise of the economy landowners get 5%

[willow torrent]

what is average bonus?

[still wadi]

Yeah I thought zero will be the only source of fuel. If DAO has fuel supply why do we need zero.

[thorny crater]

3rd blue print

Going for all the drones ones haha

[minor pilot]

Zero produces the landowners share of profit the DAO mints the token holders share of the profit

[willow torrent]

sorry ill clarify. what does it mean

[still wadi]

How many days nexus 8 to 9 in launch, its 5 days now thinking if maybe I should stay at 8 and upgrade other things first

[harsh dew]

It's the average of each specific Bonus (Column C) in the database, based on the Type of Fuels.

[minor pilot]

if this was to happen all of the token holders would be upset as they would not be getting their fair share of Resdiv

[midnight prawn]

So its better to upset the landowners than the token holders in other words..

[minor pilot]

No its better to match the supply to the current demand which is controled by Zero, remember we were only promised 5% of revenue so if the revenue is Zero then we get 5% of Zero

[mental wing]

Dao should absolutely not be producting fuel at ALL!

It is not acceptable for people who spent thousands to only make 2 dollars a day in fuel

they need to fix this ASAP

[minor pilot]

But that was agreed too at the very beginning

5% to landowners and 95% to token holders

[mental wing]

dont care, it needs to change, landowners are getting screwed

[willow torrent]

Kieran said they were looking to have land as a 2y ROI at the average tier cost from the dutch auction. I believe the T1 averaged about $700 then this would see them earning $1/day

[minor pilot]

Everyone is getting screwed token holders arnt making much either and the token price is way down

[minor pilot]

atm its not working out that way because there is little demand, its just the way it is atm

[near tusk]

Does a bank do 2 years ROI?

[minor pilot]

Its just the reality of the game atm

[midnight prawn]

If they come with a souloution so that I still can fuel as many of my own runs as was possible before if we could transfer fuel to our own ow then I be happy.

[willow torrent]

Not even close. Banks are a 20y at best and stocks are 10y at best

[mental wing]

20k for a tier 4 and then wait for 2 years to get the game released and then at max fuel production I cant even make enough for a tier 3 run..... Give me a break.... this needs to be addressed......

[noble crag]

I really cannot imaging what "demand" they were expecting with 11$ for a single s3 run (not counting 'scan' price)

[fiery iris]

At current fuel production zero is unplayable the cost of upgrading one building is often more than what the land produces in 24 hrs so even if you buy multiple builders it does you no good... this was not very well thought out at all. Seems like it was a rush decision in order to make the dao the single source for fuel....

[minor pilot]

i believe that is a priority which will be good for all of us that play OW, but ive stocked up a bit on fuel already when it was cheap so im ok for a while

[minor pilot]

ive played games where ppl spend 100's of thousands on accounts $11 aint so much

[noble crag]

which games?

[fiery iris]

^^ this

The initial target was ~$5 per run

[willow torrent]

for affluent countries this is not too borkish. but for those who are not they have loads more population this is to them unreasonable.

[minor pilot]

Game of thrones winter is coming theres an account on Playerup being sold for $35,000 which very probably cost his around 1/2 million

[noble crag]

I'm not familiar with this game, should you pay to try end-game content?

[minor pilot]

those accounts are being sold at less than 10% of cost value

theres lots of accounts on there from many different games selling from $25 up

Illuvium is not that expensive in the greater scheme of things

theres videos on youtude of ppl spending $3500 on one commander 🙂

[noble crag]

it's not the matter of price, but the monetizing model. I don't know any successful game that you should pay 11$ for a try to catch something good

[fiery iris]

Regardless of usd value this change makes the dao the single source for fuel...

[minor pilot]

have a look at a whole range of web2 games mate ppl are spending a sh8t ton of money on games. look at the billions of dollars fortnite makes ppl will spend for entertainment

[minor pilot]

it cant it only matches what landowners sell at a ratio of 19:1

[midnight prawn]

Well you can earn those 11$ in this game for free tho

[fiery iris]

You don't understand the fact that lands no longer produce enough fuel to even play the game anymore do you?

[minor pilot]

on the $11 runs you keep what you want from the run and sell the rest to help cheapen the cost of the run and if you get a good illuvial you can turn a nice profit. I got a dark holo and sold it from $149 + all the resources

[atomic cove]

let's push for this ratio to be dynamic, instead of reducing the land fuel production values.
More engagement with the thread guys, let's go!
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274644572378501182

[minor pilot]

as a land owner i do understand, now things have been cut right back you have to play a lot smarter

[fiery iris]

I'm not talking about OW I'm talking about zero

You can't play zero with fuel production this low...

[celest wagon]

🔥 The entire "revdis" concept is really the most problematic aspect. No company promises passive investors a share of revenue.🔥 💯 🤝

[minor pilot]

lol never going to happen 5% to land holders and 95% to token holders is the basic premise of the economy right from the get go

[fiery iris]

Buildings take multiple days to build as it is and now we don't make enough fuel to even starting building

[atomic cove]

anything can happen that's why we are a DAO. We only need the community to get behind it and submit an IPP/ICCP

[minor pilot]

look us landowners just have to suck it up for now until things get better or sell out if your that unhappy

[atomic cove]

we don't. It's unfair we get a 4x nerf on the amount of OW runs our land plots provide us, and who knows what will come next.

[minor pilot]

and the token holders hold the most sway and do you realy think they are going to vote in favour of having there share of profits cut in favour of landowner lol your dreaming

[celest wagon]

sell with a loss of 70% of the purchase price

[atomic cove]

why are we the only ones taking the bullet and not the stakeholders when they're the ones producing 95% of the fuel?

[minor pilot]

its a choice we all have to make

[atomic cove]

if they care about the betterment of the ecosystem more then they care for their bags they will.

[noble crag]

Sure, with proper monetizing model which illuvium doesn’t have

[noble crag]

Really? How?

[minor pilot]

because the economy is working as intended 5% to landowner 95% to token holders the fact that theres no demand for fuel is the problem not the setup of the economy

[midnight prawn]

Sell stuff from tier 0 runs. I sold a tier 0 stage 3 fighter sword for 1$ a couple days ago

[minor pilot]

Web 2 doenst have a monetizing model EVERYTHING goes to the company

[atomic cove]

the problem is not the lack of demand is the poor balancing mechanism we have...

[noble crag]

You are referring to people paying in game thousands of dollars still you don’t understand that it’s the monetizing model that makes them do this?

[minor pilot]

Untrue if there was a heap more demand then there would be enough money for everyone and we would get are ROI in 2 years or less if demand was high enough

[atomic cove]

we're fiddling with 5% of the total fuel supply... And we can't discuss lowering down the other 95%?

[atomic cove]

the problem is not the ROI. The problem is your land is producing 4x less play time in the OW.

since the fuel travel prices didn't get lowered.

[tardy falcon]

maybe it's a lil bit of all of the above XD

[noble crag]

So you propose to grind hours and hours of boring stuff to have a single chance to run end content? No one will play this

[atomic cove]

true 😅

[minor pilot]

in most games you PTW but all of that profit goes to the company here it goes to the landowners and the stakers

[atomic cove]

and it's not even 95% of revdis for the stakers anymore with the alliance program so...

[icy thicket]

Does someone know about this:

Limit of 5 material labs

That surely cannot be right?
I am unable to build a 6th

[atomic cove]

only the fuel sales keep being at 95%

because we don't demand change!!!

[noble crag]

You are switching topic, I’m telling you why no web2 player will come and pay his thousands in this game

[tardy falcon]

only 5 just for u 😉

[minor pilot]

If they dropped the cost per run by 4X then everything would still be the same 🙂

[atomic cove]

correct. Not gonna happen though. So we just got nerfed 4x.

[icy thicket]

Do you have more? Not sure if I need to report it or they are limiting it to 5 for some reason 🤔

[tardy falcon]

nah... 5 max scanner and mat lab

[celest wagon]

yes 5 scanner 5 labs

[minor pilot]

If a WEB2 enjoyed playing Illuvium they would keep playing the same as the rest of us 🙂

[tardy falcon]

can't go finding all the bps at once now can we? XD

[minor pilot]

dropping the run cost 4X we would still have the fuel price heading to Zero

[atomic cove]

that's why you need to reduce the fuel supply....

which the DAO prints 95%...

are we not seeing the problem here???

[noble crag]

They won’t enjoy it without the proper monetizing model. Please google this term for web2 games

[minor pilot]

Which is what they did landowners produces less by 4X and so does the DAO problem solved 🙂

[icy thicket]

Thanks @celest wagon and @tardy falcon ... didn't know the 5 scanner max... I mean I got 3 built

Still have 100 buildings I can build 😆

[atomic cove]

yes at our cost. Since we're doing 4x less OW runs

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/building-build-brick-bricks-laying-gif-15246153393971588943

[minor pilot]

WEB 2 players play for fun as you cant take any money out of them games. In fortnite you can only buy skins which give no advantage they just look cool but it continues to make billions

[minor pilot]

At the token holders cost too as we are producing 4X less fuel they are minting 4X less fuel

[atomic cove]

so you're saying it's fine to buy land to produce fuel and you barely produce any fuel that lets you play the other games?

[minor pilot]

atm everyone is losing

[tardy falcon]

I'll add to this by saying... putting money in and taking money out of illuvidex/passport is a pain in the fkng azz and will keep a shit ton of people from playing because of barrier to entry

[minor pilot]

It not fine it suck's but its just the way it is atm

[empty path]

https://x.com/MVP_Guild/status/1824727725640192383

Is this legit? Is there already scholar system?

X

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[minor pilot]

everyone is losing not just you

[atomic cove]

lol that's wrong. You know that don't you? Token holders producing 4x less fuel makes ZERO difference to them... What matters is how much is spent buying fuel!

[minor pilot]

Yes with 4X less supply we are getting more money for the fuel we sell 🙂

[minor pilot]

well they get 75% less income same as us

[atomic cove]

prices won't go up 4x... This is just like the bitcoin halving. For now we lost.

[upbeat drift]

as land owners,we are producing 4x less fuel but they are selling the same amount of fuel,just at a higher price.So we loose and they win more

[minor pilot]

this is true

[atomic cove]

so what

prices keep dropping

[upbeat drift]

no,they are not selling less.they sell the same as the amount needed.

[atomic cove]

are they going to nerf fuel production values again ???

[minor pilot]

No they only mint 19 fuel to our 1 if we dont produce anything they dont mint anything

thats how the system works

[noble crag]

And that’s the monetizing model illuvium doesn’t have

[atomic cove]

https://tenor.com/view/fucked-up-seth-rogan-thats-fucked-up-man-stupid-crazy-gif-5281464

[dark quartz]

“Only”? 19x is a lot lol

[tardy falcon]

No... The DAO prints infinite fuel whether landowners produce or not

At top rail price

[minor pilot]

the charge you for fuel thats there monitizing model. The printing of skin has been give to the landowner so you make the money not the company

[noble crag]

Yes, that’s the monetizing model that will never work comparing to any successful web2 game

[minor pilot]

where does it say that ? if thats the case then how do they maintain the correct ratio ?

[minor pilot]

knowing that it would never work why would you buy land ?

[tardy falcon]

if demand is so high that all landowner fuel is bought up... DAO still provides fuel at top rail price. spoon would know where to find it or maybe torrex

[minor pilot]

but then they would airdrop us fuel to keep the correct ratio

[noble crag]

it was not shaped enough to understand this atm of purchase + lack of experience from my side. but I hope team will realize this

[tardy falcon]

idk bout that

[minor pilot]

and we know they would do that as they have already done it

[tardy falcon]

ummm I didn't receive any 5% fuel from the first couple days DAO printed fuel for OB

[atomic cove]

thats false sir 😅

[minor pilot]

i for 1 much prefer to mint and sell skins myself than that money going to a company

[empty path]

whut

[pearl marten]

Afaik DAO produces 19x for every sell order from a land owner AND they produce only when the demand outweighs production (how or where that can be seen i have no idea)

[minor pilot]

well i received t3 fuel chests and there are still some for sale on the marketplace which were gifted to players

[minor pilot]

i have asked about that a couple of times and have to agree on that one i havnt received anything yet

[tardy falcon]

yes... has nothing to do with under supply... that's just the dao trying to give a gesture to landowners

[minor pilot]

which they didnt have to do but choose to do so, in the scenario you describe it would be very likely they would do the same

[tardy falcon]

no... they would increase fuel production

[minor pilot]

which would have the same effect as in keeping the 5% to landowners and 95% to token holders which would be better for us

[tardy falcon]

yep

[minor pilot]

All im trying to say is they would put things right using the best method

[tardy falcon]

hopefully they would increase production as quickly as they reduced it XD

[minor pilot]

im really sure they will as soon as demand is there

[atomic cove]

yes those were the legacy airdrop, I also received those. But that's a different topic...

[minor pilot]

they will probably be a bit cautious raising it to make sure they dont have to cut it again

[tardy falcon]

I'm not sure of anything

[atomic cove]

you're still smoking the pipe dream it seems 😅

[minor pilot]

i used that just to show they would put things right

[minor pilot]

why wouldnt they ?

i hold tokens and land so win either way as long as demand is there

[pseudo pulsar]

in-game icon for fuel production per plot would be nice so we could see goal levels

[atomic cove]

I'm not saying they wouldn't. Just saying I don't think that HUGE demand will come any time soon.

[minor pilot]

Never said it was

[tardy falcon]

tell that to $16k nfts now at $6k 😅
But alas it's a multi-faceted playground with many factors at play

[minor pilot]

this is the problem with crypto, but if the game takes off at some point we will soon be way in front

games only been out 3 weeks so im just going to give it time

[tardy falcon]

no more hopium from me... I just wanna play the game and see things as they are

[minor pilot]

like most things its patience.

[turbid plank]

once you sold fuel does it take time to appear in ur IMX wallet as $ ?

[tardy falcon]

on a positive note, someone did buy the floor t4

[limpid stag]

Wow

[atomic cove]

what a steal honestly...

[tardy falcon]

yah was eyeing it

[upper seal]

I was looking at that. I just bought my second t4 for 2.2eth last week.

[tardy falcon]

if they stay cheap i'll get another in a month

[empty path]

They used to be 10x 😅

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[chrome grove]

Is there a bug with trying to get resources out of collectors?

[upper seal]

I paid 16eth during land sale 🙃 but at least I have a mega city ready to go.

[tardy falcon]

people have been reporting they are only getting 25% from them now 😜

[chrome grove]

lol, that I’m well aware of

Some of mine show they are half full, but when I click to collect, it’s like I’m deselecting it and nothing is deposited

[tardy falcon]

hmm... sounds like a bug and should be reported

[turbid plank]

it says completed but $ dont match, does it take time to process ?

[tardy falcon]

usually takes a minute or so for me to complete a sale after it's 100% filled

[turbid plank]

okay thanks

[uneven pulsar]

y always will be receive less than on screenn/ if y see 5$ you get only 2,5

you can verify it)

[celest wagon]

how long to get 10k krypton ?

[turbid plank]

depend how you play your land i guess, i got 2 t4 lvl 201

[burnt viper]

if demand comes back, they aren't incentivized to increase fuel production back to normal because DAO will be racking in the profits

It was stated it is a temporary measure (after community voiced their opinions), but no details on what is required to be hit, before it converted back or promise, or for how long

[plucky venture]

If I had to make a guess, I'd say it won't be converted back until land holders are < 10% of OW players.

They need players to buy fuel, not make it for themselves. Too many of us doing the latter, at the moment.

For better and for worse ...

[turbid plank]

can someone explain me this please ?

[vivid cipher]

I’m not sure you understand how 5% : 95% works.

[vivid cipher]

I assume You did not list it for sale at the top rail price shown in the first image. You listed it at the price shown in the second image.

[burnt viper]

My point wasn't about 5%:95%, my point was about a temporary measure that can become a permanent (if there isn't clarify or promise that will get reversed on X, Y, Z) and it makes no point for us to be happy about getting nerfed but getting 5% when there is demand

[uneven pulsar]

guys I see the price of fuel continue to drop down? or am i wrong?

[quiet ocean]

Hi if buy land plot with one fuel well need to give more money for the other fuels?

[vivid cipher]

Land owners will still be getting their 5%. Dao will still get its 95%. Why would they not change the fuel production to match the demand?

Change it or not change it… the value received will be the same. Except usually slightly cheaper prices due to proper supply and demand balance leads to higher revenue for all

[burnt viper]

Did you forget how horrible the gaming experience is now? Everything is longer with less fuels being available. I finally had my 3-4 plots making 15 fuels every 12 hours, and now it's 6 per 12 hours.

The hours I put into that, and efficency and everything, changed on this update

[vivid cipher]

If land owners can’t provide enough fuel supply then land owners get eth from the top rail sales. At least that’s what I remember seeing in a recent passed proposal.

[burnt viper]

If land owner can't provide enough fuel, DAO can cover it, there is no need for land owners

[vivid cipher]

Yes. It’s not ideal. It’s bad. What would cause the devs to maintain a bad feel when it’s not needed? Pretty easy to adjust the fuel production for a better feel when demand warrants it

[vocal pasture]

at this moment I cannot sell fuel (have loads of it) and cannot play - won’t buy fuel for eth when I have a crapload store.
So no playing, which is a loss for everyone.
Instead of undercuts and ideas for more thinkering, top priority should be to have a way of landowners using fuel. For yesterday.

[burnt viper]

Well, this goes back to the point, if you introduce a temporary measure but provide no guidance or clarify to when it will get reversed, they can just keep it permenant and meet their business requirements

You could have taxed fuel sellers or reduced DAO output, instead of punishing the players too @vivid cipher

[uneven pulsar]

if DAO will mint 95% it will be always the whole

[burnt viper]

I'm not sure about the average player, but I haven't sold fuel and been simply building on my 5 plots sooo

[minor pilot]

they are incentivized to increase production as they have to maintain the 5% and the money doesnt go to the company it goes to us the token holders

[burnt viper]

thanks for reminding me about token holders who are inactive and unproductive members of the ecosystem lmao, yet the active are having bad experience lmao

[vivid cipher]

While this is theoretically true I assume doing so would have been the slowest and buggiest route. The fuel exchange already has issues. The devs would not likely decide to add further complexity and additional breaking points.

It was also not one of the balancing levers discussed in recent times.

[minor pilot]

a lot of token holders are landowners to as i am

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/haters-hater-hate-league-crybaby-gif-4941055

[burnt viper]

hehehehe

[upper seal]

crypton selling for $0.0038
Solon selling for $0.005

[minor pilot]

yes they only funded the whole project in the being 🙂 yes your right completely unproductive 🙂

[vocal pasture]

It’s not hatred…people are discussing and “complaining” here because we are not happy and are looking for a way to fix things.
If it was hatred everyone would just dump the lands and tokens and move on….
At least I feel that way.

[vocal pasture]

How? I cannot sell anything not even at lower rail

[winter ivy]

how is it going guys?

[burnt viper]

Like almost every DAO or governance token or staking token like ILV or Sand, the trend is downwards lol. I don't mean to be toxic lol

[minor pilot]

yes ppl are free to do that its one of the good things about Web3

[winter ivy]

the land floor price tanked? i'm working rn want to know

[vivid cipher]

I was Definitely joking with that silly gif. Attempting to lighten the mood with a little comedy

[minor pilot]

all that shows is when the last bull cycle was 🙂

[winter ivy]

so my t2 is producing 0.57 cents per day? 😂 😂 lmao

[burnt viper]

is this better lol

[minor pilot]

well let see what it will be in the next bull run 🙂

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/तीरचलाना-दिलपेवार-उदास-दिलटूटना-arrow-in-the-heart-gif-14975254

[minor pilot]

ive plenty of tokens to sell 🙂

[minor pilot]

ppl just venting

[uneven pulsar]

players start to donate to landlords because they can't buy the food?

[winter ivy]

donate2earn

[minor pilot]

could always sell the land to buy the food ?

[vivid cipher]

I try not to look at the old numbers. I’ve got a lot more will than I used to but much less value compared to when my early deposits were locked up

[winter ivy]

NGMI, i'm selling my food to buy nfts 😂

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/you-went-full-degenerate-zoolander-gif-17163336

[uneven pulsar]

in future, you can take a few lands with 5 backs so no(

[burnt viper]

we want things to be better for Land owners, you can find me doing the same in Sandbox Dicord too.

Lots of utilities taken out and focused on unproductive members lol. In Sandbox lands, they removed GEMs production, and made that the Sandbox team centrentally produce GEMs, and they also give it to Avatar Holders, Token Holders and Creators, when initally it was only Land owners who produce it.

now i'm clouded with, whats the utility for Sandbox Lands, or Illivium Lands lmao

Give us wild plants (utility) back, so i can make a Weed farm

[minor pilot]

sell now and buy back when its cheaper and feed the family in the meantime 🙂

[minor pilot]

ive never played sandbox looked at it but it didnt appeal to me

[fiery iris]

Having admitted this seems like it is not the right measure to take... if all you have is a hammer then everything starts looking like a nail.... ie federal reserve...

[uneven pulsar]

i can't, I bought land for 30 eth and now it costs 2, collectors took me into slavery, my wife and children left me, and I continue to tell everyone that the ROI will be 1 year for tier1)))

[minor pilot]

at the height mine was worth $98,000 but it was all locked up, but i have quite a few more tokens now due to staking would love it to get back to its ATH 🙂

[minor pilot]

ah well this is crypto 🙂

[winter ivy]

ok I need PRICE TO GO UP. like VERY SOON. I cant take this anymore. every day I am checking price and it is lower. every day, check price, down. I cant take this anymore, I have over invested, by a lot. it is what it is. but I need the price to GO UP ALREADY. can devs DO SOMETHING??

[minor pilot]

lmao hell no

going to be a couple of years atleast before you get a return on your investment

[uneven pulsar]

yes, they told reduce fuel twice next week again, so wait a little bit, will be better

[winter ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-alice-in-wonderland-falling-bye-gif-17767703

[minor pilot]

if the demand keeps going down they may have too 😦

we need the whales to whale 🙂

[burnt viper]

i love how we all think a return on your investment is always a positive value lmao

[fiery iris]

I imagine whales bought when fuel was at a discount so no need to buy it now...

[plucky venture]

Did this last patch also botch the crates? They are un-claim-able ... When I select one, then it un-selects 2 seconds later. (Just clicking faster doesn't seem to fix it, either. lol) So, my land is useless. My crates are useless. Guess I'll go donate plasma for cash ...

[meager flint]

T2 cheaper than T1’s floor during auction, crazy

[winter ivy]

demand seems pretty low rn

[fiery iris]

Yes of course this was never a supply issue... the supply is infinite.... this is and always has been a demand issue

[minor pilot]

never normally is,thats why its best to get in early 🙂

[thorny crater]

when you buy real state in real life the annual return for a good ROI is about 12-15%. So, if that was 100% net profit at 15% for example it would take ~6.66 years to get your money back....not including equity and and like tings that can break down alike a new roof etc.

well expenses should be counted in that...never buy realest state with out calculating that.

**Not tax or investment advice just life experience talking . **

and only if its rented out 100% of the time too lol

[uneven pulsar]

thats why we invested in crypto because ROI is higher there

[plucky venture]

https://tenor.com/view/quicker-fishing-money-having-insurance-gif-24021326

[mortal smelt]

reset cache?

[fiery iris]

F's in the chat for this one bois

[thorny crater]

hell no i hate crypto. lol

Im here beacsue i lve the concept of digital owner ship

[willow dust]

I think someone of the team mentioned that they aimed it to be 2 years to get your money back on a land

[burnt viper]

and we don't have to deal with renters not paying for months and goverment supporting them lol

[thorny crater]

no regulations. if this project rug pulls today. we are just F'ed/ no govt is going to help you get shit back lol

[winter ivy]

More gold is required!

[burnt viper]

2020 to 2024 has been worst years for property owners lol

[plucky venture]

Multiple browsers, multiple tries, same deal. It's some refresh running in the page.

[mortal smelt]

these plants are living on my plot rent free

[uneven pulsar]

we need to pay salary)

[thorny crater]

Id love that

[mortal smelt]

#support is where i'd go

[uneven pulsar]

if its about t1? its +- good

so than t4 should back in 4 month

but i see now 40 years)

[fiery iris]

It wasn't just someone on the team it was Kieran himself

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-groot-dancing-plant-marvel-gif-17290543

living their best life haha

[mortal smelt]

I am 4 days away from trying to max my plot wish me luck

[misty rock]

Well its was promised that land owner have 5% of the revenue.

Well having a dymamic ratio technically meet 5% revenue as at 100% design price. The ratio is 5% : 95%

When price fall. We have to adjust the ratio to control supply which will prevent a death spiral

a Death Spiral is what causes the Luna and TUSD to collapse

[mortal smelt]

I find this volatility actually entertaining

[burnt viper]

I thought it was 5% of revenue, which later become nerfed to 5% of fuel revenue, and now there is a proposal for 5% of all revenue hehehe

[willow dust]

But if we can transfer our fuel to our own passpost, then there won't be a sell order like it is now and the DOA won't produce 19x our "transfer". That would reduce inflation by a lot!

[misty rock]

Same Same... our land only asset for revene is fuel.

[minor pilot]

the 19X would still have to be minted

[misty rock]

But the way they nerf the production now. Its make upgrading so much slower

[minor pilot]

otherwise landowners get more than 5%

[mortal smelt]

a 3d LOL game where you add a shooter element with all the moves from OW for the ranger bam you got a new genre of gaming

just use the same TFT style autobattle for the Illuvials

[paper flame]

I got lucky and sold 50 crypton. Now I have enough eth to buy 19 crypton. Isn't that great!

[mortal smelt]

what till you get to the end of the tax year

but wait theres more!

[thorny crater]

yeah that would be for something like the MAIN investors/sharholders. Who are the biggest contributors to illuvium? do you now by chance?

[willow dust]

There won't be any revenue if you bought the land to play OW yourself tough. So why should there be a 19x fuel mint from the DAO when you never sell your fuel?

[thorny crater]

at some point you will sell your fuel though

when you ma a land what ese will you do? even with max labs, scanners, and and stuff you have to much fuel to get more

I am curious of BPS are limited though

if so once thats done they have these idea for additional revenue:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

crap cant even share the tweets lol

but here we go

alos this. idk why my twiiter image will not load lol

[vocal pasture]

Hope that in zero besides mega cities, blueprints and gyms they don’t forget the “ability to use own fuel in OW”….

[rose thicket]

I like the pragmatic detail of your model. Worry how it might overlay on existing IMX rails. Other measures will still be needed for bids and asks if we want a reasonably efficient market structure. Maybe forming a working committee can move things along.

[undone dagger]

That was discussed yesterday, and mentioned in the replies to the tweet, yes

[thorny crater]

I think they are working on that too

but untill there is a iip take it with a grain of salt

[undone dagger]

Aight, looks like T1's stabilized a little around $250

I still insist that if you whine about T1 Land being worthless then you should give it to me and get outta the kitchen :v

[lost walrus]

Think we will all be suprised

[vocal pasture]

Was there any IIP for the 75% nerf?

[thorny crater]

iip39

[lost walrus]

instead of a multiplier in positive way when transfering directly to overworld I really think it will be the other way, even after all these nerfs

[vocal pasture]

September 2023?

[silk parrot]

I think most players made clear that the Zero update was a mistake by the devs.

However, to further support the argument the devs need to think the changes through.

Take for example the upgrade costs of a converter and the amount you gain in passive for upgrading. I think it works out to something like 300 days to recoup the upgrade costs. Intended?

[thorny crater]

yup

[vocal pasture]

It’s a very vague IIP. How can that explain the nerf? Am I missing anything?

[undone dagger]

Now this is complaining I can get behind, it has a purpose

[thorny crater]

they have control of fuel production to makr sure the market don't go cray. Similar its a federal reserve for iluvium. In this case prices were droping to fast

so supply needed to be cut

[vocal pasture]

So basically a free do what you want card. I’ll check the full text

[oak ruin]

i noticed one of my sylicon converters is not generating anything passively. we know about this issue?

[silk parrot]

I notice this all the time. I try and say it is just that producing 2 every 288 hours or something means I am just not seeing it.

However, I really believe some conerters are just not updating the passive

[stuck vine]

how can check LLP39

[fiery iris]

@minor pilot this exactly this^^^ are we to believe that this is the best solution if it renders the game unplayable....

[vocal pasture]

#📰〕governance-news message

[thorny crater]

t1: let me know if the math is right

i get 6 solon ever 8 hour or 18/day. to upgrade my most expensive building, nexus from 7 to 8 cost 80 Hyperion.

i get a 3 for 3 conversion on a lvl 1 HYPE converter( my % is 113 efficiency) which take 6 hours or 12/day
If correct 80/12 take 6.66 days to update it with one convertor.

[flat steeple]

How much do converts passively generate per lvl?

Looks like my lvl2 is the same as my lvl 3

[silk parrot]

That is the ONLY building that it works for the main fuel building

[thorny crater]

but i doo need to update the quantum building then solon dredging too before i do that.....i might now and jsut do nexus instead lol

[silk parrot]

you are correct

[fiery iris]

Tier 3 stage 6

[silk parrot]

I think at the base, the passive goes up 1 per 288 hours per level

[minor pilot]

i dont think the change was a mistake, but it certaintly was unwanted by most players. Does it need fine tuning yes i think it does and im sure then will get to that over the next couple of weeks

[hazy tartan]

This section alone makes me read it as an additional iip must be introduced

[thorny crater]

also i think passive stops when converting. havent confirmed this yet tho

[silk parrot]

was my guess as well

[fiery iris]

You just called it a mistake in a round about way....

[silk parrot]

But since the update obviously not many people are doing any converting lol. I guess we can get better data soon

[thorny crater]

I am haha

[flat steeple]

Mine is stage 3 showing 6 passive fuel

[thorny crater]

who cares is it no as much. im maxing out and adjust

ing

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[flat steeple]

Noted

[silk parrot]

it will vary with the amount of bonus you get from the base up to 150%

[fiery iris]

It's far worse than I imagined

[thorny crater]

150 no longer need....for now

[versed warren]

What level is that,and what tier are you on?

[thorny crater]

just 1:1 where i know at 113% its good. could be lower though

[fiery iris]

Tier 3 stage 6 converter

[stuck vine]

how can make blueprints, i use biodata research only have facts ?

[versed warren]

101% for lvl1 and 2

[thorny crater]

nice

Yeeah i am preparing for when this gets reverted. its a temp messure to lower supply, that all my stuff will be ready to go

BUT

[minor pilot]

No production had to be cut as the fuel prices were being driven to Zero and the value of everything else in the ecosystem was being driven down, have they got the ingame balance for all of the buildings/ resources it looks as if it isnt right for the lower tiers of land. i dont know as im only playing T3

[thorny crater]

idk if i should still build to have 150% or adjust for 101 % needs now

[fiery iris]

That is at 150% efficiency mind you...

[winter ivy]

i'm sorry to say it but i still think we are in death spiral even after the nerf

[silk parrot]

That is what I am worried about lol when they knee jerk the correction, does it screw everyone adjusting right now? lmao 😦

[thorny crater]

its like the real world

lo im from southern louisiana and this is how oil market is haha

ever 5-15 years but its 100+ year old industry

[versed warren]

Do you know each levels %?

1 and 2 is 101% currently and lvl3 is 126% anything higher is pointless

[minor pilot]

you are entittled to your opinion but i think you will find if they can increase demand then things will right themselves

[versed warren]

Depends on the level of your converters

[winter ivy]

i hope that i'm wrong tbh and i'm waiting for the demand to be created, but i think is kind of confuse how the system works rn

[flat steeple]

It’s working hard

[spring garnet]

when i add a builder to my team it stay for ever?

[minor pilot]

the game is still very new with a lot of improvements to come i think it has every chance of getting there 🙂

[versed warren]

Right now i sold most of my power stations and got as many converters at 101% at lvl 2 as possible with a couple level 3s at 126%

[flat steeple]

Unless you sell it. That person buying does not receive it.

[thorny crater]

WELL LET ME ASK THIS.

IF THE dao DID NOT DO THIS AND FUEL WENT TO 0 WHAT WOULD HAAPEN?

oops

[winter ivy]

kind agree in a long term perpsective, but in the short term feels painful

[thorny crater]

forgive the caps

i was looking a the leaderboartd in game lol

[winter ivy]

lmao

[versed warren]

I believe on the account that you buy it yes, but not on the land, so if you transfer your account keeps the builder, and the land wont have a builder.

[fiery iris]

You are wrong in thinking this is some sort of market with a liquidity pool on uniswap this is nothing more than a widget with an infinite supply.... you set the price to whatever... hence the price rails... study the federal reserve.... you are mistaken in trying to convince others of a false hood that there was a supply issue. The supply is infinite always has been always will be

[thorny crater]

so if price goes to zero.....what happens

the dollar(fuel for land owners) goes from 1 to 0

[foggy sage]

price cant go to 0 because they set price dude

why do u think you can still buy fuel at .000069 or whatever the rate is

[thorny crater]

then why can i sell lower?

[fiery iris]

Usd has lost 90%+ of its purchasing power ie value... think about it

[thorny crater]

there shouldnt be an option if it s a set price so that makes no sense

They USA dollar?

[silk parrot]

It is land specific... so if you have both free and bought land.. buying one on your bought land does not give 2 on your free.

Assume it might be the same the other way.... just a heads up

[foggy sage]

there is a set price to buy understand that, there is a set price that they control when people buy

[fiery iris]

The only dollar

[thorny crater]

10% loss from europ not 90 % lol. and this a double edge sword from an econom,ic stand point

letts see it compared to russia

[spring garnet]

im on the free land for now, trying the game. thx

[thorny crater]

russia lost 90%

[fiery iris]

This is exactly correct read what price you are agreeing to when you purchase fuel

[thorny crater]

but i digress lol

what does it mean the price can never go to ZERO? and if it cant why do land owners get to set a price at all

[fiery iris]

You are not setting the price at all understand that

[minor pilot]

ok mate you decide what you want it to be if it makes you happy. you seem to have no understanding of supply and demand so here it is in a simple form so you have a chnace to understand ! more supply than demand prices go down !!! more demand than suppy prices go up !!! economics 101 its very very simple

[thorny crater]

then why is it even an option lol

[foggy sage]

yea but the DAO produces infinite supply and we have 0 demand

[fiery iris]

If you sell a car for $1 did you just set the entire car market price at $1 will everyone now only sell cars for $1??

[thorny crater]

they shouldnt be an option of its a set price we should just list and thats it

[foggy sage]

how do u think people Day 1 were able to buy crypton to do stage 3 runs, it was not because land owners were making fuel. the DAO generated fuel at the fix price when some one swiped their credit card

[thorny crater]

thats houseing not cars but i get your point. That said, not a good comparsion i do real esate. There are appriaslas and if you tried that the govt will come knocking

[minor pilot]

they can but they only match what we produce at a ratio of 19:1

[fiery iris]

The price started at 0.0081 and moved since but yes has been relatively close the entire time

[silk parrot]

nm I deleted my comment, I have zero clue how the fuel system works and sadly I think that is intended 😦

[foggy sage]

they how where people buying fuel Day 1 before it was possible for any land to produce fuel?

[thorny crater]

this is the most confusing onvo. i need a mod to confim thiese numbers

[silver plover]

Thought I researched armor but a blueprint’s a blueprint!

[fiery iris]

You are spreading lies at this point when the game launched no one produced fuel yet they sold fuel to everyone and their mom...so what is 19×0?

[minor pilot]

mate you have no idea....... you cant buy with credit card atm 🙂 which doesnt help with the demand

[stuck vine]

i see have 5% succcesst rate how can up that

[silk parrot]

you are spreading lies! My mom did not buy any fuel at the start!

[fiery iris]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...

[spring garnet]

rss on my free land are infinite? can i "repeat" without worrying?

[thorny crater]

this is the best feeling to wake up too haha

[minor pilot]

lmao 🙂

[minor pilot]

so you can buy with a credit card ?

[thorny crater]

gets me everytiume like

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-whats-happening-gif-14760168

[minor pilot]

if im wrong please tell me

let me check

[fiery iris]

They sold fuel at the launch when no one produced fuel if you don't understand that then you have no clue how any of this works...

[minor pilot]

Nope still greyed out for me you must be lucky 🙂

[broken roost]

hi guys, Discord will nor verify my landplot in imx account and give me access to landowner chat. Should i link passport wallet aswell? if so how do i do that? thank you

[fiery iris]

Seems like you are not reading the fact that they sold fuel at the launch when no one had produced any fuel yet so I'll keep saying it til you get the point...

[thorny crater]

so far here is a summary:
argument - fuel can never be zero because it is a set price and infinity supply*
my question - if it is a set price why is there an option for land ower to lower it? if the above argument is correct, IMO, i think the ability to set a price from the land owner should be removed. Cause it does not matter if the price set is lower tor higher than the "set price" because it would get jacked up/lowered the set price anyway.

im just confused on the whole argument honestly. waiting for mod to elaborate

[foggy sage]

that is issue you cant have a free market and then set up guard rails and top rails and control all aspects of it and then say to land owners the fuel were producing is the problem when most dont even produce that amount.

[flat steeple]

Thanks for the summary

[spring garnet]

rss nodes on my free land are infinite? can i "repeat" without worrying? it says cost will be deduct but i don't see any cost...

[thorny crater]

thats exactly how we got the 1950 middle class in America. Guard rails form teddy and FDR with Eisenhower lol. this was removed in the 80s and America has gone in decline ever since.

what economic system doesn't have guard rails? I can only think of America from 1816-1933ish with the industrial revolution offf the top of my head.(teddy was the catalyst of changes in that time, Sherman act laws and control of big business/but not masters of them )

[vocal pasture]

Bonus is 330% at the moment in Solon… Jesus

[fiery iris]

There is no market here it's a widget with infinite supply

[silk parrot]

as soon as a good fuel bonus us mentioned it goes away quick 🙂

[thorny crater]

now this i do not understand. ITs why i hate crypto lol its like so new rules and testing. so i need more data

forgive my ignorance

still learning the cytpo world. cause this makes ZERO sense haha

pun intended

[fiery iris]

Good thing the patch solves all of this....

You will own nothing and be happy

[vocal pasture]

It means that real value is 0.0068 / 3.3 = 0.002 per fuel. With no sales

[thorny crater]

so its not a set price because that "0.0068" can change right

[vocal pasture]

No. You buy always at the same value

And you cannot sell anything anyway

[thorny crater]

so where is the money coming from, from the difference?

[vocal pasture]

What changed is the bonus

Changes

[fiery iris]

This exactly this

[thorny crater]

is the DAO picking up the tab?

[fiery iris]

There is no tab to pick up its a widget with infinite supply

[thorny crater]

i dont sell often because i am build but i sell

something is off

the money for the difference has to come from somewhere.

[silk parrot]

I don't think the DAO will ever pick up any tab lol. Land owners will keep getting hit over the head though

[thorny crater]

if not this IS the federal reserve haha

i dont get it. i click button and can make money

[fiery iris]

Now you are learning

[thorny crater]

amazing investent

[fiery iris]

What did you pay for said investment and what are your returns thus far?

[thorny crater]

then just remove the land owners ability to set a price. something about this is not sitting well with me

hardly nohting.....but i dont care

i come here to see why i want to play this game

and this channel sucks so bad about ROI everywher not caring about consuers at all, it makes me never want to spend money on a game whree people just want to farm me for thier ROI

[silk parrot]

right now it is the DAO farming all of us

[thorny crater]

my aim is consumer experience > $ for now...at least 6 months THEN ill be mmoe on your side of the ROI argument

[thorny crater]

thats just business. Sharholder put billions into a company in hopes of getting a return. but if you have a fire it cost water to put it out

that said. the owners could rug pull today honestly

[fiery iris]

This^^^

[thorny crater]

its crypto. todays wild wild west

[foggy sage]

^^^

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-studio-taking-notes-paying-attention-interested-gif-17315574

[foggy sage]

how is the consumer gonna have fun when the land they bought cant even produce enough for a stage 1 run?

[thorny crater]

land owner are investors

consumer is OW

and arena

[foggy sage]

land owners are both has most who own land what to play OW

[thorny crater]

and if nobody plays OW?

then what

this convo is who i dont buy fuel lol

sounds like a corp just farming me

[foggy sage]

thats why people are upset now your getting it

[thorny crater]

yeah at yall

[silk parrot]

I feel like devs are in a panic to keep income at x level and it is at the cost of adoption

[fiery iris]

20k lands out there all of them maxed out and combined couldn't produce 1/19 of the amount of fuel that was sold in the last 3 weeks think about that.... so were landowners producing too much or is it someone else in control?

[thorny crater]

hey @whole spear after your birthdaya d what not can you help me undertsand this argument more please. no rush

[mortal mirage]

they robbed us

[thorny crater]

evry crypto project i ahve looked at i have seen this lol

so glad i never truly invested anything in crypto just 1% ish of extra investment funds went i this from 2019-present. all excetp 2 2 in eth is in this game and hoeslty it aint muhc. about 6 k.

ill grab my numbers

i made like 3 bucks in profits, but watiing for fuel API to automat this furhter:

So my loss would be $6,113.66 if this project fails

[fiery iris]

Sorry for your loss brother

[silk parrot]

I am not concerned about the project failing really. It would take a lot more bad changes in a short time for that to happen.

I think the devs will start to see the big picture soon and reverse course on some things.

[fiery iris]

We have seen this time and time again zero gets kneecapped so others can benefit

[silk parrot]

I mean maybe someone at the top thinks they know more than everyone else and is dictating bad changes... but eventually it should settle out

[thorny crater]

i still dont think it is a loss

[fiery iris]

It's only a loss if you sell amirite?

[thorny crater]

as of now i like the cotrl over the markets, problem is how the market work seems to be differen from perso to person

[silk parrot]

This is the change I am hoping for. That they realize hitting one class of players kills it for the other parts of the game.

I saw you guys talking about real life examples..

It would be like killing the middle class and thinking the poor or rich would benefit if they were completely wiped out. It doesnt work

[thorny crater]

well no this is fun money, instead of gabling in Vegas etc i put it to the side for years in crypto.

that said. I think this project is in the right path. land owners. or maybe just crypto itself is just to greedy to ever go mainstream

[fiery iris]

Facts but in reality this is exactly what is happening

[thorny crater]

the other part of the game ws not up...

that the whole thing right

consumer experience isnt here

and proepl cant stop talking about ROI. is just land owner farming each ohter lol

so im selling haha

selling fuel not my land

this will be me with land

[silk parrot]

I am still waiting for a support ticket, I am not saying anything.. want to see how long it takes lol. It is already a little over what I would think is reasonable but I get they are swamped at the start.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-sinking-ship-sink-captain-gif-23239537

I think its so cool i am clicking buttons, i really dont even have to think and make money

[sage bough]

Crypto has a bit of an image problem. Even putting aside guys like SBF and CZ, the space has a reputation for being scammy. It's going to take a while to clean up that image, projects like this one seeing more success will go a long way.

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[thorny crater]

that said if yall want land prices loer to buy from seller this chat will do that

[mortal mirage]

there's a fuel API coming? 😯

[thorny crater]

god do i see it haha

[undone dagger]

I'll rob you if you aimlessly complain, put your T1 lands in the bag

[thorny crater]

i seen talks. no iip yet

[undone dagger]

Correct I want land to be $50 for a T1 :v

[thorny crater]

shoot me too. ill spend 2k i have left on land

jsut slow to get it to where i can actually spend it lol

[last tiger]

All max out? I'm tier 2 brother I didn't sell any fuel cuz I was putting all in upgrades and paying high costs at the beginning for it and then the next day they always change something and it was cheaper for me it sounds like they knew there was a problem and they tried to delay it my point is I'm guessing that only tier 3 and 4 are max out now imagine wen every land is at the max will be worst then this because i don't believe that everyone is selling fuel atm

[thorny crater]

got to open he safe, get the cold wallet, connect, bridge, wait, then buy

[undone dagger]

Ooooooo, smart

I just use half-baked digital wallets, I want a physical at some point

[thorny crater]

so like i just sold this.

[undone dagger]

But at the same time I've never paid a penny into the cryptoverse :)

[thorny crater]

i get 5% of that or is that the 5 %

[twilit bough]

I can help you do it faster. Just DM your passphrase (don't!)

[thorny crater]

lol

yeah i lerned from others haha. i like to watch a while before i spend money

[fiery iris]

Lands were not producing fuel at launch yet fuel was being sold... if you don't understand this then I can't help you anymore than that

[silk parrot]

I discuss from wanting the devs to do better so the game, the devs and players can all benefit.

Only good or bad decisions will do that. You will not force players to play if the game is going in the wrong direction or leave if the devs make healthy choice for the game.

[thorny crater]

this is true

right now land needs to be the back-ish burnner

we need a player base

not a land player base only

[twilit bough]

It is all a beta
We will get there