🎮〕illuvium-zero

[stoic rapids]

yeah it won't go to literally 0, just adding more and more decimal places

until its not worth our time to click on the sell fuel button

[tardy falcon]

Let's see if we can make it to 0.0000005 or 3

there's plenty more fuel coming onto market

[midnight holly]

not an infinite amount that's for sure

[thorny crater]

less supply just mean prices goes up

[tardy falcon]

that's true... eventually an equilibrium will happen

but wen? XD

[stoic rapids]

maybe 1/100 of current price?

[midnight holly]

make buying more incenticed and we will find out

[tardy falcon]

vacay time... gotta wait til next month

gives some time for this experiment to play out

[nova epoch]

lol I feel like I've been stopping in here for weeks and asking this same question and everyone seems to ignore it. I've had radio silence for my support claim too

[stoic rapids]

I think splinterlands had some rough patches at the start where prices crashed

and some early investors made millions

although prices were surely inflated by market bubble

[tardy falcon]

try in community help channel

[rotund forum]

well, eth has 18 decimals so we have some time to go to get to that bottom

[stoic rapids]

they have to 1) improve gameplay/onboarding, 2) market the game

[midnight holly]

more than enought time to act before it's happens no doubt. You are right the situation atm might be concerning for some of you, as i'm a right to say labs will take action at some point if it's really needed.

[stoic rapids]

paying people to play with an airdrop just wastes their money

[rotund forum]

yeah it attracts mostly leeches. I think airdrop could be an incentive but only for paying customs or ilv investors. But paying and getting nothing in return makes little sense. If it were great influencers... that would be something but obviously they are not

[stoic rapids]

yeah this game lives or dies based on whether collector whales get into it

lets incentivize people to buy and hold illuvials and other assets

[midnight holly]

Whatever gl fuel cartel if thing tend to this.

[tardy falcon]

I'm actually starting to think it's a good thing to get the price as low as possible instead of artificially stopping it. That way can determine just how low it will go without speculation

[rotund forum]

yeah, did that. In another life. Not doing it again. When things go good ok, but when they go bad they will basically hold you responsible, and whine on years later still. This is the teams responsability, not ours.

[tardy falcon]

I made a super converter 😜
Gives me 2000 extra fuel/day XD

[rotund forum]

NOW you are creating inflation! More fuel, just what we need 😩

[rotund forum]

first level 10 converter

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/willj-oprah-oprah-winfrey-winfrey-you-get-a-car-gif-7290460651591536643

fuel for everyone

I should go get stuff done XD enjoy the day all

[rotund forum]

take care mate

[mortal smelt]

so hypothetically if nobody sells at floor price go up?

cause either way customer pays the same

but get less bonus fuel

so in essence higher tiers and megacities will control the price is what I am assuming

as far as the land side is concerned

[rotund forum]

I don´t know how this works yet. But if the customers pay always the same then one could assume that the top rail is that fixed price, and everything below is bonus fuel?

[mortal smelt]

Should give bonuses to land owners who reinvest into the Illuvium ecosystem rather than extract from it imo

[mortal smelt]

from what I gather its the lowest that is selling and at the target price the difference is what bonus they get, I may be totally wrong but that is the gist of what I get as there is nothing official yet.

numbers are too low and not enough data to get some sort of calculation

seems like any other web3 token launch at this moment

[rotund forum]

yeah to be honest I feel more the other way around. We have already invested a lot, basically funded the project. It is time for them to pay us now in my opinion. Paying hundreds or thousands of dollars just to play a afk click game makes no sense.

[mortal smelt]

time and resource, everything was rushed out the door to meet expectations and make an example.

[rotund forum]

and on top of that have waited wayyyy longer than was promised. What you suggest seems like sqeezing the lemons a bit too much.

[mortal smelt]

But during that time what they accomplished is crazy tbh, now they just have to add and adjust as everything is now live

[rotund forum]

true. litteraly every proyect I know made too optimistic calculations, above all in how long stuff takes to create and implement

[mortal smelt]

its called biting more than you can chew, but as far as biting more than they can chew they actually was able to swallow it albiet maybe choking a bit

with the blockchain functioning with the game in real time is pretty awesome to see with AAA graphics ngl

They are 1 game away from making the franchise a staple

[rotund forum]

Personally I think they are going to let this go from bad to worse this month, let the price and revenue drop to the near bottom, and in september pick it back up and say: well, the plan forward is this....

[mortal smelt]

idk with the samsung partnership and who knows what we don't know is coming up, pretty sure not the whole team is on vacation

[lilac flame]

i can’t see my staking anymore… what could have happened?
Nothing is showing on the vesting tab

[mortal smelt]

try resetting cache

[rotund forum]

I think the samsung thing is not exclusive to illuvium, it will just be a service to play on samsung tv without having a pc. The rendering is done by nvidia and you just get the image like normal tv signal. But there will obviously be a subscription fee for cloud gaming and illuvium won´t be the only game they host. But that said... it will probably be the best web3 game they host, so it can´t hurt.

[rotund forum]

don´t panic, it happened to me as well a few times in the past, just check back in tomorrow or so. Sometimes it is buggy, but it will show your balance again surely later on

[rigid aspen]

In case anyone missed this, because this chat is moving fast.

[rotund forum]

mate, chances are a lot of T4 holders are not even using discord ever. Until there is a way ingame to contact other landholders communicating your intention will have no effect. I haven´t been active here much in the last years, but you notice pretty quickly there are the same 20 guys, not the 8000 ones that hold land.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-severus-snape-snape-alan-rickman-indeed-gif-4496555

[rigid aspen]

We'll see. Doing what I can, though you do speak the truth. I do think the largest T4 landholders do monitor the discord, however. LIke the ones that own multiple T4 plots. All it takes is enough of us T4 owners to stop selling at lower prices, and buy pressure can outweight sell pressure.

[mortal smelt]

blackrock better not be owning any lands kek

[rotund forum]

I wonder how many there are. There were like 768 T4 plots so far, no? And some will hold more than one. Kieran had like way too many to play, I think he said 30? But I might be way off there, but it was a lot.

[rigid aspen]

Many many plots will not be being played either. I wonder the percentage is

[mortal smelt]

system is favoring whales far more than I like

[radiant sky]

there was a wallet on landsale, it was the wallet with the 3rd highest number in lands at that time. Dude had only t4/t3.
never seen him in here.

[rotund forum]

so maybe there are as few as 200 T4 landowners. You could check the wallets of each one (although they might be in different wallets). And there is no easy way I am aware of to do this.

[radiant sky]

yep, many with many wallets

[rigid aspen]

Immutascan could probably tell you

But I wouldn't count on it being perfectly accurate

[rotund forum]

blackrock would just swoop up illuvium studios as a whole 😝

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/elissa-slater-big-brother-laugh-spit-take-gif-5917436

plz tell me that is photoshop lol

[rotund forum]

I can´t get that to work at all. My tax guy was trying it and it gave him a headache. You can export but only as far as you scroll down on your screen, so that is absolutely worthless. If you just export you get like 21 lines only

[mortal smelt]

wait till next year when my tax guy has to go through pages of micro transactions just for my 1 plot, i woe those that have more

[rigid aspen]

Please tell me that there will be a report we can generate for our ILV account...

[mortal smelt]

he's gonna be like I read through all that shit just for $200 bucks are you fking kidding me???

[rigid aspen]

There should be tools for this imo.

[mortal smelt]

I hope and pray cause otherwise i gotta hoard the fuel

[rotund forum]

I think it is just relative for what they paid. I do think T4 is about fuel, whilst T1-2 is not, it is about blueprints and free runs. T3 is a bit of a hybrid, but without the fuel landmark I would consider it more of a luxury T1/2 than a fuel producer.

[mortal smelt]

Well if the relative FACTS were present when I had initially purchased land I would have not opted to buy it and rather gotten a T4 instead, but that alpha sure made it seem like the impossible was possible

[rotund forum]

yeah my guy goes by the hour so imagine the hours of work... and the cents we are making 😂

[mortal smelt]

anywho I am the only one to blame

I learned 1 thing in web3 is that you don't take what people say at face value

period

[rigid aspen]

haha, I wonder if koinly will be able to handle a cv file of transactions at some point for IMX passport wallets..

[rotund forum]

Hey I get it, I also created my own vision, but realistically, paying 500$ for a T1 you can´t expect to make thousands of $.

[mortal smelt]

you know in the US it is honestly not worth trading crypto because of the stupid tax laws. best to hodl and wait for the change or move

[rotund forum]

I tried koinly and I tried importing csv files but it will be a lot of manual correction I am afraid.

[mortal smelt]

but hey they hacked the whole US for SS and related addresses

so whatever happens it wasn't me

[rotund forum]

that said, (day)trading crypto is not profitable for 99% of the people. Best is to DCA and sell in bullrun. Every fool can do that.

[mortal smelt]

I concur some people can't compute to sell at profit

but regardless everyone has their reasons to sell their crypto, i've had to do it because of personal and financial reasons

[rotund forum]

problem is you never know when you are hitting ath, and you just keep waiting. The fall is so much faster than the climb.

[mortal smelt]

true, the moonshot days are far few and between these days

right now is the rug em movement

just glad Illuvium is not a part of that movement

[rotund forum]

oh definitely. I had to sell bad as well at times. Even sold land just to pay taxes

[mortal smelt]

oof double whammy

[rotund forum]

would that be the movement that has my girlfriend telling me what the next big thing on solana will be according to tiktok? I am having a hard time explaining her that the last few times didn´t work out so well, so why would it now?

[vapid jolt]

Is it fair to say that any semi-experienced Illuvium Zero player will eventually mint a Blueprint, or not necessarily?

[mortal smelt]

that and the pumpdotfun money drainer that has recruited a former SEC employee

[mortal smelt]

for sure, but as far as exclusive and bonding curve it is too soon to see how it goes

[vapid jolt]

I checked Immutascan, there were ~120 unique wallets transferring at least 1 Blueporint in the last 7d

[weary swift]

When will zero start making money ?

[vapid jolt]

top wallet transferred 560 blueprints

[rotund forum]

I have gathered quite a lot of scans already but not really started on the bio data much, but getting there. Now I have so much fuel to spare for these higher tier buildings...

[analog basin]

Dude you sent me a DM request?

[vapid jolt]

yeah I did, was curious on your thoughts based on a post I found of yours about your inv in Illuvium 1-2 yrs ago

[rotund forum]

that can only be that old shit, the 15 ones from closed beta

[mortal smelt]

yeah its a grind but when you get fleshed out im pretty sure enough will be for sale and blueprints

[vapid jolt]

what do you mean?

[rotund forum]

they are basically worthless.

[rotund forum]

well, there are no blueprints yet in open beta

[vapid jolt]

these are the old ones you mentioned ? https://immutascan.io/address/0x07fb805d026194d188014fc7303e69f412eb7cb1

[rotund forum]

yes

there were 15 in total per plot

[vapid jolt]

got it, I am trying to find a proxy for number of active players, so I looked at Blueprint owners, but seems like not good lol

[rotund forum]

but they are not unique. Once blueprints get activated in 2-3 months you can still get these.

they will get harder to find, and eventually not be available anymore, so for collectors one day in the far far future they might be worth something

[rotund forum]

one thing that you could do, but it is a real monks work, would be to look in the ledger and filter last 24 hours and look at the different wallets. But this can´t be exported so it would take forever

it might be only 4 eth in revenue but it are a LOT of microtransactions

I think one of the reasons they don´t let us export this info is because if several people did this it would crash their servers

and for them there is little benefit in providing this. But I do think for tax reasons they will have to provide a way to extract this information sooner or later or just provide it to you by your registered email.

[paper flame]

I'm just glad I minted my land plots at full price and held them for years thru the bear market so I could sell my fuel for a 2 year ROI....wait nevermind I can't even sell my fuel.

[rotund forum]

well, time will tell. 2 years just begun this month.

doesn´t look bright right now, I´ll give you that

[spring jetty]

I'm more disappointed that the team hasn't said anything about this

[spark roost]

@weary swift never lol. Given up at this point

[rose maple]

Tenacious T is typing...

[wispy prism]

I'm finding it painfully slow, on T1, my goal was blueprints, yet I'm hardly even producing enough fuel to upgrade everything let alone start searching for blue prints, without having to pay more money then the money already spent to purchase the plots to level them up.
The payment system also keeps failing and I'm getting a bit frustrated by it.
I get labs that need money. It's good for everything, yet land is feeling incredibly punishing, and I'm losing motivation to play, to even start to achieve some return.
If we don't have extra money to throw in and own T1 plots, how many months does the team see it being possible for a landowner to actually sell fuel to earn anything from sales?

[wispy prism]

Lol. I'm having a zero maximum level frustration episode. I want to be able to transfer fuel between my plots, please make this happen.

[thorny crater]

what are the chances we can make the add and remove path the left and right click buttons.

For example to add paths to the land plot click or hold and drag the left mouse clicker
To remove click or hold and drag the right mouse clicker

small sutle but very noice change imo

[tardy falcon]

crypton under 9 🥂 Let's get it to 7 by tomorrow 😄

sooner we get to 0 the better

[wispy prism]

Lol maybe not 0

[tardy falcon]

okok u right

[tardy falcon]

.13

[rotund forum]

I would like the sell button to be somewhere very different. Not next to harvest. I accidentally sold a T6 extractor, and there is no undo button 🙈

[tardy falcon]

I've almost done that ... agree they ought to move the sell button fo sho

[thorny crater]

Oh sameeeeeee because i drink and stuff and then stop reading after a while lol

[rose maple]

You fat fingered bastard haha

[rotund forum]

I feel your pain. I play T1-4 and T4 is so much more fun, T1 is just... I think in closed beta it took about 8 months; I have the impression this will take longer. Only thing I did to "cheat" that is buy extra workers.

[barren ore]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-accident-fry-hammer-nail-gif-5714444

[wispy prism]

So many times 😅

[rotund forum]

no, it was on a samsung tablet using one of those screen pencils. I actually have quite nice hands according to my mother 😄

[thorny crater]

boom

lol

[hidden nest]

I opened discord just to say the exact same thing!! I only have two tier 1 plots. I feel the exact same way.

[tardy falcon]

Or maybe this so it's not a direct option

[wispy prism]

Wow really, I don't remember it taking that long. We did have use of the market place though. I do like that we can get fuel every few hours, yet man... So 8 months almost a year.
I'm thinking the distribution of fuel sales will need to change.
We are basically sitting on sinks using our land while others have the option to receive revenue.
It's too long.
I would buy extra workers, one I bought went missing and 90 percent of the time my purchase doesn't work.
I'm kind of getting over investing.
Once I was told I wouldn't make money from Illuvum and it's only for rich people. I refused to believe them that Illuvium would find a way to raise the equity level and at least provide the same playing field.

[thorny crater]

oh yeah that's way better. you have to click in a menu, then in that menu search for sell, furthest in list, then select and click confirm.....if that's done by accident idk what anyone can do for you lol

[tardy falcon]

yesss make it hard to sell the damn thing

[wispy prism]

Just keep plodding I guess. I had a mission to get all 7, I'm missing one. Blurg 6x the pain.

[kind wave]

How do inuse the fuel collected in IZ in OW?

[thorny crater]

to sell then buy it back for now if you want to travel or keep the profits. Idk if its true or nnot but im seeing talks of being able to for land earner to own thier own fuel

[junior depot]

Sure it will take time but It would be rewarding once everything is at max level.

[wispy prism]

I know. I knew it would be hard. They did say the market place would return that will make a massive difference. People can trade their excess. It's how I level up faster in the Alpha.

[noble willow]

saw this last night.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1KnNA9oRxg

[thin dirge]

How many data banks would we need?

[rotund forum]

but also I always wondered in close beta if they would do it like that in open beta; because I would just sent crazy amounts and send them back or cancel and you had unlimited storage basically. Now if your storage is full you´re screwed.

[junior depot]

I played the alpha too. It really made a difference since you could trade with other ZERO players. I hope they bring it back. However, even if they do, it wouldn’t make a difference because by then I’ll have already maxed out my land plot. But good to buy more land since it would be easier then.

[tardy falcon]

I guess you could have one land plot that is purely storage

t1 storage plot

[junior depot]

I was thinking the same thing.

[tardy falcon]

new utility for t1 😉

[wispy prism]

For sure. However if it takes a player 8 months to start selling?
It's a capitalist system, not a deregulated one. Plena stay down we need you so others with more can gain more than you before you have a chance to.
There is a max output on lands. I acknowledged that in my investment choice.
Anyway I do believe the changes are coming, I think I'm just annoyed at world systems in general. Humans find it hard to do things differently, they just fall back on the ways they know. Even if they don't mean to.

[tardy falcon]

We are supposed to get peer to peer market transfers i believe... so should be able to eventually transfer to our other plots

[wispy prism]

Yes that will make a huge difference.

[wispy prism]

Nice thinking, rent my land to store your stuff 😜

[rotund forum]

thing is storage on T1 is lower than on T2 etc

[tardy falcon]

ahh that's right

[rotund forum]

just buy a T5 and lots of storage! 🤪

[vapid jolt]

thanks!

[wispy prism]

This is true.
My main goal is blueprints so much of my space is kept clear. I just bought what I could afford so many are missing resources.
Trade in between my own plots and others will help. It can't hurt big owners because they will get the same on-top of what they already receive.

[rotund forum]

Scoriox is great. But this video was prior to open beta, I don´t know how relevant this still is.

[tardy falcon]

yah i noticed that too... be nice to see current data

[wispy prism]

Lol obviously. I'm in to do blue prints and supplement my own play. You know using the ecosystem as it has been marketed.
Utilising a circular economy.

[rotund forum]

indeed, I think tier 1 could pump 200-ish fuel a day, that is clear. So in the "early days" that was 0.00044 ETH which is like 1.20$ a day.

[wispy prism]

I am invested in all the areas.
I've always felt this game is about currency. Not to get mega rich, I have some tokens so yes that's always going to be a better system because you are not putting more in than you invested, yet the game utilises a trade system as part of its game mechanics.
For illuvum I think 5 years ahead, so yes I'm not expecting to be a millionaire. I'm expecting to be able to use the system.

[rotund forum]

I think the way he calculated it then would not work atm as he counted blue print wallets.

[vapid jolt]

very interesting, although doesn't take into account land/Zero players

[undone skiff]

How does fuel selling works? are those that are selling cheaper gets to sell first or its first come first serve?

[rotund forum]

yeah, but zero players will not be so much paying customers (at least not in zero). Credits in the beginning maybe some but that revenue will dry up pretty quickly.

[wispy prism]

I don't share the same perspective.
I think once we can trade with other it will be a mute point.
Until then it's participating in a running race with no legs.

[rotund forum]

the ones willing to sell at lowest prices will sell. But even then nowadays only partly. I just sold 15% of an order. If I don´t cancel the rest it will be there still next month

[vapid jolt]

Fuel revenue, is how much fuel was collectively produced?

Is there a way to maybe extrapolate active players based on fuel generation/revenue numbers?

[wispy prism]

Good thing is the player base keeps rising. That is something I do believe will take time.
I'll keep plodding.
Waiting for the iterations.
On the plus side. The added gyms and re-rolls will be huge.

[stoic rapids]

if fuel is 0, assets will track the price of just the labor instead of labor + fuel cost for the runs

for game to be sustainable long term, the "cost of labor" has to be negative - as in people will pay to play

[rotund forum]

how do you know the player base is rising?

[wispy prism]

A graph recently, yet could be accounts?

It was on X not sure who posted it.

[rotund forum]

ok was just curious. The info is there in the ledger... you can scroll through it, but it is just too massive to count by hand... and there is no way for us to extract that info unfortunately.

[tardy falcon]

it's pretty fascinating to observe the ledger in real time... u start to get a feel for how many ppl are buying and selling fuel and i which quantities

[rotund forum]

would love however if they made that available in a spread sheet every... month or so seems fair

[stoic rapids]

how do we view the ledger?

[tardy falcon]

its an option in the fuel marketplace

u can see all the tx

[rotund forum]

maybe we can count like 5 minutes and turn that number into 24 hours, but it might just be a very bad moment or a good one... not really sure how representative that number would be

[stoic rapids]

oh I found it

[tardy falcon]

I want to creat a data farm to chart the price of the three fuels over time in a nice looking trading view style chart

[rotund forum]

sure there are peak and down hours

[tardy falcon]

but i'm not good at coding XD

[stoic rapids]

I got you

[rotund forum]

well the price is easy to follow. It has been dropping in a straight line every day. That is why I said next week wednesday we´ll hit 0 eth.

[tardy falcon]

😝 well more so for TA reasons...

there will come a point when the price stabilizes

Easier to see on a chart yk

[stoic rapids]

I would like to know if its falling linearly or X% of current price per day

[rotund forum]

I am maintaining an excel for ... just curiosity I guess, because my tax agent won´t ever accept some hand made excel sheet. It started off really neay with round numbers... orders 100% sold. But now it gets so messy...

[tardy falcon]

refreshing the ledger page you can see the most current market price from purchase orders... somehow get that number copoed and put into an excel sheet

[rotund forum]

doesn´t get much more linear than that

someone posted a visualization of this earlier but yeah pretty much a straight line down

[tardy falcon]

But I want it done automatically via a script and then chrted

[stoic rapids]

can't wait to spend more on accounting to process my illuvium transactions than I earned from the transactions

[rotund forum]

would be cool yeah. But I can´t even programm the airfryer to do what I want so not much help there I am afraid

[rotund forum]

my tax guy warned me a year ago of exactly this. The crook charges 120€ (like 130$) an hour... he would need several days to dig through that stuff. And back then I thought "oh well... I´ll just sell fuel only once a week... that is 156 movements per plot... not so much". Innocence is bliss

[stoic rapids]

just use one of those online crypto calculator services and pay for a higher tier, then send your tax guy a pdf/excel

should be able to do 10k transactions for ~$200 or less

[rotund forum]

yes, but i used it only briefly and tried to import csv files (not related to illuvium) but it was a big mess.

[rotund forum]

yeah, I saw a nice cheap bulgarian one... looked neat but then they ask for your api and that gave me cold feet. I know it is the easier way to import data of wallets but it also gives them access to them.

but the absurdity for me is... wtf does the tax agency want to know what fantasy nft fuel I sell? Just look at the eth coming out of that wallet, that is basically pure gains at this point, charge me the corresponding % over that. Why need all these zillion crypton movements... they don´t even know what that is

[stoic rapids]

I'd just pay for a reputable one, use the API, then remove API access after you generate report to protect from hackers hitting them later

[vapid jolt]

if you have the data I can do it

[rotund forum]

I will do that probably. Also trying to reduce to a minimum the exchanges etc. I use.

[mortal bough]

When can I link my crypton/solon/hyperon/ to overworld?

[stoic rapids]

Soon tm

[tardy falcon]

That’s the thing… pulling live data at programmed intervals. The easiest way I can see is to go to the fuel marketplace ledger page and target purchase orders… isolate the price… then have that be auto added to an excel sheet and charted.

The challenge is also isolating the 3 types of fuels to create 3 different charts.

[vapid jolt]

got you, understand your point now

[thorny crater]

update

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-smiling-sneaky-peaking-gif-21893020

just put in the last one i am allow till nex nexus update

🫡

lol

im gunna go for mining and fuel. i hope i can get rid of the resource converters but idk if thats posible on a t1

[vapid jolt]

Is there something that is produced in Zero that is mintable as a token/NFT, similar to shards in OW, so we could analyze and try to come up with number of active users?

[unreal oak]

guys whats the maximum number of bio data to get in a T2 land? so i can get rid of my scanners..

[keen dirge]

it's funny, while i have a lot of fuel at zero, but i can't play overworld

[unborn willow]

hi guys

[minor pilot]

So your saying dont start buying fuel entil the 22nd 🙂 ?

Well all those complaining that runs were too expensive should be pretty happy

[pseudo pulsar]

Slow going on T-1s soon rdy add my ex builders

[knotty berry]

If I found all the blue prints during alpha, should I be trying to find them again in open beta?

[thorny crater]

im so glad i just deleted my two hydro converters 🙃

[minor pilot]

hell yes 🙂

Do we know when the majority of the team gets back from holiday ?

[river ingot]

This isn’t going to get wiped again right? This is the full game?

[mortal smelt]

There fixed it, now it looks better for my eyes

[mortal smelt]

Only you can reset your plot now

[vapid jolt]

love it

[broken roost]

australia pov

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/rachael-gunn-raygun-juegos-olimpicos-paris-2024-australia-gif-7714585683337061386

[rain thicket]

I have the same question. When can we use our own fuel produced in zero in OW?

[burnt viper]

That's a big price drop

[deep granite]

So, whos gonna make the IIP to remove/change the 19:1 fuel creation :p

[rain thicket]

Any estimated ETA by chance?

Also, is anyone having success selling fuel? If not, what is your strategy for excess fuel? Just create larger storage and hold it in IZ until there is a bridge to OW?

I am looking forward to using the fuel to run the OW but I’m not willing to spend money on fuel until I know I can also sell it to recover costs

[spring void]

Lmao gl with that. It's been brought up numerous times over the past 2ish years and gets monkey hammered by the founders and IMC so not even worth making an IIP

[deep granite]

If its changed to 9:1 and fuel goes up it could potentially be in their interest

[spring void]

Wonder what the internal projections were for DAU and weekly revenue and how that compares to actuals

[stoic rapids]

has anyone seen an illuvium ad anywhere?

[hearty cradle]

the 1:19 ratio is basically landowners revenue : stakers revenue.
i mean the community can propose to change the ratio of revenue distribution.
even we it's changed to increase the revenue for landowners, it doesnt change the fundamental issue of low demand.
if demand is $500K/month, a ratio of 10:10 or 50% each, doesnt do anything to demand but to increase landowners revenue, shorten the BEP

at the expense of stakers

what would a reasonable plot owner do when they see that the ratio is increased to their favour? Sell more to get faster break even?

[stoic rapids]

👆 it might raise fuel price by decreasing supply which would make them more money in the short term, but it doesn't solve the problem

[hearty cradle]

it can increase fuel price temporarily, due to supply shock, assuming landowners dont try to unload their almost maxed storage

but again, unless demand increases, it highly likely to go back down

[spring void]

It's a demand issue for sure and I don't see anything in the near future that will change the current state

[hearty cradle]

i still remember oil price plummeted during covid, its the same issue

even the oil producers were paying takers to take their supply because they are being charged with demurrage by the tankers

and docks

[stoic rapids]

I'd like to get my friends into illuvium, but I can't pitch "OK so yes gauntlet is a clone of TFT, BUT it's an entirely new cast of characters you need to learn and here's a 5 way typing chart you need to learn too and the queues are empty most of the day and there are no streamers to explain the current meta"

"now let me tell you about compound typing"

[spring void]

Just made this same point in token chat lol it's nice to have but that being the selling point was never going to work. Just gotta learn and adapt

[midnight holly]

i've just find out that we actually have all the orders made 'behind the scene' : illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange?section=ledger
could definitly help each side to better understand the system and gater real data to make conclusion out of it.

@hearty cradle you was aware about the ledger ? never read anything about it

[hearty cradle]

i saw the ledger on the fuel exchange

doesnt help if i cant get the csv

[midnight holly]

oh ok make it les opac as i though

yeah and could be better displayed for sure

[thin dirge]

Can you get to 21%?

[tardy falcon]

yah been trying to figure out how to export data from the ledger but idk how

[midnight holly]

not sure why it's not implemented, hope its not bcz of data weight. It will help comunity if made possible imo

[misty rock]

There use to be a marketplace building for trading fuel and resources with other player. Where is the building now?

[midnight holly]

Ressources can be bought from the illuvidex, fuel is a different system

[hearty cradle]

i was hoping someone manually type them down lol

[midnight holly]

could be the job of the tax guy in the US, give them more work guys if they dont mind

[hearty cedar]

What do you mean? There is no limit? There will be new illuvials on a regular basis. The limit was for alpha to test stuff.

[odd pivot]

my plot is loading but my buildings are not laoding can anyone help me?

[shadow quarry]

What is the max build-out for the nexus and the fuel collectors?

[vivid cipher]

Level 9 for nexus. So probably level 9 for collectors too. Not sure.

[quiet heath]

Is there a limit for this building?
Why is it grayed out?

[shadow quarry]

ok, thx

[shadow quarry]

and is there an overview of how much they cost and what they earn at which level?

[vivid cipher]

Builders are busy maybe?

[vivid cipher]

No

[shadow quarry]

ok, thx!

[vivid cipher]

Maybe someone has written something down in #🎨〕community-content

There may be some info in the patch notes

[quiet heath]

Nope, I have a builder available

[copper inlet]

limit is 5

[tardy falcon]

Had already started making a nicer chart in sheets

[hearty cradle]

nice thanks!

[versed warren]

No. They need to fist come out of beta. Even though its on chain its still a beta

[versed warren]

Wait storage on all lands is combined?

Even free one?

[tardy falcon]

We were thinking of ways to stockpile our own fuel... eventually we should be able to transfer fuel between our plots... at least that was the plan

[vivid cipher]

Oh ho

[wispy glen]

On current trends, it will take more than 20 years to recoup the cost of buying land

[tardy falcon]

still boils down to supply and demand... fuel will go back up when there is demand. How do u create demand? U gotta make the game accessible and fun and let everyone know about it. Otherwise shifting the economy will only help temporarily.

[wispy glen]

Now, however, fewer than 1,000 people are play OW every day

[versed warren]

0 demand

[tribal zealot]

My estimate...500 users are spending on fuel

[leaden egret]

Hi all, how can I use these ?
About the facts I suppose I need all five to make a skin (if I understood well) but what about the blueprint ?…

[tardy falcon]

idk... if you go through the ledger there are a lot of tx. More than 500/day. you could gather a rough assessment of DAU by keeping track of all the fuel tx in a day. Some will be repeat players buying but still will have a general idea.

[foggy bison]

They say a watched pot never boils.
I say a watched Hyperion Lathe never increments.
I'm going to bed. Tomorrow's another day... 😎

[shut wave]

I cant login to illuvium on mobile anymore 😦

[verbal igloo]

Might be an IMX temporary issue.
You can also try clearing the browser cache and retry login in

[shut wave]

Cleared cache and all. It first happened on brave then I used google chrome. I cleared cache on chrome still not working. On brave stopped working long time ago.

[upper seal]

I've had 3000crypton at floor price for 3 days now. I get maybe 5% sold then have to lower to New floor price. I guess most of the t4 and t3 are near full production now.

I'm finding Solon and hyperion selling faster than crypton

[little wagon]

What is floorprice? 0??

[upper seal]

$0.0022 for crypton

I'm guessing in a month it'll be $0.0002

[glad badge]

Hi all, I wanted to understand if the illuvial which can be found through scan are bounded by the land tier .
So T1 only can scan T1 illuvials even if the scanner is upgraded etc .
Thanks !

[thin dirge]

And that is the best I can do

[still wadi]

Can we open 1 account in 2 device at the same time?

lets say I play both on PC and mobile on 2 land? but 1 account?

[quick arch]

Hey everyone! Sorry for the newbie question but I own a couple of plots, can I play the game on iOS and use my land plots and sell Fuel? Or we can't sell fuel for now?

[tired aurora]

nice, any chance to make it publicly viewable?

[stone tree]

hi all, Is there auto-collection in the game ?

[tired aurora]

don't think so, you'll be logged out

[tired aurora]

no

[spiral ravine]

Hi is this the price of the fuel going down?

[uneven pulsar]

Yeap in 10 days will be free gas

for us but not dao

[toxic hull]

If you only get 70% of extraction at 100% efficiency, you should get 120% of extraction at 150% efficiency. My converter on tier 3 plot level 5 at 150% efficiency = pay 180 and i get 189. How is 9 extra out of 180 equal 20%? Is this the same for everyone else?

[pearl marten]

Yes this is correct - the formula to calculate this is
ceil(0.7 * 1.5 * 180) = and you get 189

[solar swallow]

Credit purchase with passport funds would be great addition

[solar swallow]

Depends on land tier too probably

[toxic hull]

That works out to be 5% extra. i like the old way of calculating. thanks

[pearl marten]

No problem ... actually using this you can calculate the passive for every tier/lvl/efficiency
0.7 (70% base efficiency) * current efficiency * amount you pay for converting = output

[toxic hull]

cheers

[quiet heath]

For real????
I was planning an expansions of material labs

I guess I will need to adapt

To burn some fuel, and remove some sell pressure what about a fuel for token swap

5K fuel for 1 token?

[vagrant heron]

We will be able to use our own fuel before that. I think that should change a lot

[unborn osprey]

Why am I getting daily goals every other day?

[rotund forum]

nice man! the graph, not the results 😆

[harsh dew]

Help the community collect data by entering your fuel purchases; it's simple and quick. The larger the data sample, the more accurate our estimation of the price for each type of fuel: Hyperion, Crypton, and Solon.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nQtyjnkcQBtWkkiJxQLx5saXODA6NF8i8sPmsxbkLBE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[burnt viper]

where is this from? Perhaps I can make it into a website

crazy how my plot level 97 is an embarrasment to my plot 110 and 110 is an embarrasement to 127.

You learn to build faster, and less levels each round

[toxic hull]

It would be nice to see the available power and power being used on the power stations to know when you need to upgrade

[radiant sky]

make sure to leave that feedback ingame.
in here it likely goes under to all the chatter before team catch your post.

[toxic hull]

will do. thanks

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-marvel-meme-what-heroes-do-gif-14703930

[fiery iris]

Personal favorite

[radiant sky]

Congrats, one of my favorites aswell

[fiery iris]

2 for 2 stage 3 this morning

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/takayuki-yagami-judgment-lost-judgment-gg-gif-4959919501817383821

[terse flare]

I have been unable to sell any fuel in the past few days, no matter how low I put the price (even tiny amount above minimum price and well below average price doesn’t work). Is this normal?

[unborn osprey]

Why am I getting daily goals every other day and not every day?

[upper seal]

I'm setting it at exact floor and not selling.

[midnight holly]

you should take a look at https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange?section=ledger all the data are there. You cant downloaded them tho

[spiral ravine]

So what does this mean?

[spiral ravine]

I think that if there is no deman is normal you can't sell. I have watched a youtube video in which a guy explains that the normal player of illuvium has to buy fuel but he doesn't have a good ROI

[spiral ravine]

So to get 2.74 dollars i have to place an order of 1164 Crypton?

[harsh dew]

Yeah, already look at it, can't dl....

[harsh dew]

It's all depend on the fuel you need. In the end fuels have different bonus so differents price. It's better to look at the amount of fuel you want * the price of the Fuel including the Bonus.

[spiral ravine]

Yeah but how can i know how many unit of fuel per order can i sell?

There are people which are trying to sell the fuel at the lowest price, so how can increase it? For now seems impossible

[harsh dew]

Not sure I understand the question. The sheet is more developped for buyers right now.

[spiral ravine]

I mean if i wanna place an order of crypton, how many cripton can i sell in one order? And how can i decide the quantity ?

[harsh dew]

The only way to increase the minium selling price would be if the demand/the buyers fill out all orders placed by the sellers. Or all sellers cancel order and place a new order at higher price.

[uneven pulsar]

so y will receive 0 eth)))

[harsh dew]

No, idea I did not sell any fuel yet.

[spiral ravine]

This is amazing, so why are we working on our plots? ahaha

[uneven pulsar]

belive in brightness future))

[spiral ravine]

For the moment there is no demand. The buyers don't have so much ROI in paying and playing in illuvium

[harsh dew]

Yes.

[spiral ravine]

Will be fixed this thing?

[harsh dew]

No idea, i'm not from illuvium team as you can see, so I,m just like you and don't have this informations.

[spiral ravine]

Ok sorry i didn't understand that you are not part of them

[spiral ravine]

Well the team and the project are very solid so i think is necessary

[umbral leaf]

[timber sapphire]

Reset is 00.00 utc, maybe you completed one right after it and didn't remember

[unborn osprey]

Nope, tested if few times. Always completed and claimed everything at least hour before the reset.

[timber sapphire]

Claimed?

[inland shore]

no demand in game

[little wagon]

have the same problem. The timer even says how many hours before new quests come online, but then it doesn't renew lol

[timber sapphire]

Oh you mean ingame?

[unborn osprey]

Yeah, same thing.

It says ingame: in 1h and 58 minutes you will get new daily goals... and then nothing.

Happens every day.

[little wagon]

yep. I guess it is one of the bugs 😉

[rotund forum]

wow nice. Just started my first T5 scan 3 hours ago. How many scans did you do until finding Rhamphy?

[solar swallow]

That was 2nd or 3rd scan

[uneven pulsar]

nice but how much ppl want to buy print(((

20% of 100%

[solar swallow]

Can't sell those yet

And it's not blueprint, it's just biodata

[rotund forum]

I did some digging, to get a grasp of how many active players there were last 24H, and how much demand there was for fuel. The numbers are as were to be expected... low. Numbers will not be 100% accurate as I only looked at how many crypton was sold in the last 24H, but that gives a pretty accurate idea.

[uneven pulsar]

any different(

its cosmetic in game

[rotund forum]

here are the numbers

[uneven pulsar]

nice analys

[still wadi]

where can we read about illuvium zero?

I'm confuse with the new path

[uneven pulsar]

what do you mean nwe path?

[cerulean nest]

Do plant spawns stack up ? I've removed about 20 now and they just keep spawning

[shut wave]

https://tenor.com/view/fml-sylvester-cat-annoyed-head-bang-gif-13045781

Me waiting for sale order to complete.

[tardy falcon]

You gotta list at floor if u wanna move it

Currently crypton is at 0.000000842997984372

[wooden hinge]

How will the mega cities work for land? Is it just being able to use multiple lands as 1 plot?

[shut wave]

I do the price keeps falling rapidly!

[shut wave]

I wish 😁

[tardy falcon]

Hmm... i had no problem yesterday. Just refresh page to get exact current lowest price and then list immediately
0.000000842891731883

[shut wave]

Ok let me try again

Solon hyperion selling faster now!

Built all those crypton converters for nothing. By the time they starting producing the token has shifted. Gotta balance the land.

[hearty cradle]

thanks was looking for this

[rotund forum]

well... good news, the problem of overflowing fuel seems to have been resolved. It just gets deleted. 😂 The first 2 sales are marked as completed (the solon actually is) but they are not. They don´t appear on my plot anymore, so basically they are just gone. Had the exact same thing happen yesterday, so not an isolated incident.

btw, there seems to be an increased demand for solon now. I had several days of not completing a single order and yesterday suddenly one of 5000 and one of 3000. And today the 2000 one. Seems odd, but some people apparently have reached that level where they want and can tune their stuff.

[thorny crater]

IG OT MY FIRST BLUE PRINT!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/mission-impossible-we-got-this-you-got-this-aja-oh-yeah-gif-9140872

[rotund forum]

niceeeee

[thorny crater]

first ever meme I saw in life lol

[radiant sky]

bach coolest drone just needs a dmg buff 😄

[thorny crater]

He does his best lol

[rotund forum]

did they change the color to yellow for any particular reason now?

[fierce ice]

My T1 is starting to shape up

[gritty wave]

well and of course this does not cover arena or zero being played, and a lot of people buy a chunk of fuel so not to have to rebuy every day...probably weekly comparisons are better. And even low thousands is fine for now...if it's less than that in a few months then that's an issue.

[gritty wave]

yeah data is pretty easy...getting the rest is a grind..congrats

[rotund forum]

no, this covers paying players in 24 hours, not f2p players because with all respect to them for the economy they are not very relevant, they don´t pay the bills. Sure I would like as well to get a more ample picture of the sales but the problem is the data collection, which the team did not make easy for whatever reason.

[icy thicket]

Anyone know if this is a bug? Have been stuck on level 201 for over a week 😆

[tardy falcon]

201 is max level yo

[icy thicket]

Thanks Mega!

[gritty wave]

i'm not talking ftp..I'm not...I'm talking land owners and those who use arena, which I've quite enjoyed. You talked about players, that is more than short term income and really the crucial long term factor as there will be growing cash streams eg wave 3..but I agree, the team should share the info no matter what...even if people attack it, as they are without the proper info already 😉

[rotund forum]

The thing that is kind of worrisome is that the team apparently burns about 1m$ a month, and revenue is less every day. Yesterday 4 eth… the current situation is not sustainable.

[mortal mirage]

Where do You check the floor price of crypton if fuel exchange only displays average and max???

[tardy falcon]

ledger... or sell tab and remove sell price to see minimum allowed to sell at... that is floor

[foggy sage]

if its that low for crypton its even lower for the other 2

[tardy falcon]

That would be rad if we could track fuel price in real time... the data is just from the fuel marketplace ledger and what others have been keeping track of here since fuel started selling. If we could extract data from the ledger that would be the way to go... somehow have it auto update every 15min or so.

[thorny crater]

crazy part i have 0 facts about this guy lol

[thorny crater]

I am right in the middle of redoing mine myself lol

[burnt viper]

What is the fuel marketplace ledger?

[tardy falcon]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange?section=ledger

[thorny crater]

t1 getting ready for scanners.....but 200HYPE is gunna be a PIAN to get for the next nexus update lol

[tardy falcon]

you can filter by fuel type and transaction type

but they sure didn't make it easy to extract data... but then again i'm not so good at coding

[burnt viper]

probably should change their policy and provide more API access

[broken roost]

hi, i was wondering today. So the first week or so the dao had to print fuel to sell since land were incapable of producing right? i wonder how do landowners get 5% of those sales and when

[tardy falcon]

totally

Maybe we can get an ideas thread going if you are good at api data integration into realtime charts... would be a very good thing for people to be able to track actual fuel price. If it gets enough support then can get implemented via iip. Shouldn't be too hard to make api data available right?

[burnt viper]

already made the app to fetch fuel exchanges

[tardy falcon]

Oooo cool. So u just need the data now?

[burnt viper]

I just need to team to upon up their API so people can use it to develop Apps, it returns "uanthorized" for anyone wanting to use it right now

Who do I need to tagg

This is way better than manuelling or using excel documents

[tardy falcon]

Hey @copper inlet do you know who to tag about opening up api data for the fuel exchange ledger? Trying to develop an app to track fuel price in real time.

[onyx scroll]

Am I the only one having issue with loading Land plot ,my f2p works fine but I can't load my T2

[junior hollow]

anyone have problem selling fuel?

[mortal mirage]

You pay fuel at max price always but sell prices are about half. What's that about? Who is doing the buying and sellin and where is the money going? Very dodgy market setup in my opinion....

And still, even then you stilldont get your fuel sold

[tardy falcon]

you get the difference as bonus fuel

and yes you can sell at market floor

[small sundial]

Illuvium fuel discount look like
Buy 1 get 3 ! x)

[mortal mirage]

Only if you pay in SILV2 or what

[junior hollow]

i'm just waiting for the day we can use the fuel we generate

[tardy falcon]

no... every purchase u get bonus fuel

[mortal mirage]

And the bonus fuel you get, where does it come from ?

[tardy falcon]

from the diference of actual market price and the upper rail price

[mortal mirage]

From who? From what land at what price does this bonus fuel appear?

Is it the DAO minting its own fuel to get a piece of the pie?

[tardy falcon]

you list your fuel at 0.000000840792920574 but a buyer buys at 0.0000026
They get the difference as bonus fuel

the DAO gets 95% of the pie XD

Landholders sell their fuel and the DAO gets triggered to mint 95% on top

DAO sells at the same price you sell at

it's all one order when you sell

1/19

[mortal mirage]

So the dao is minting almost as much fuel as land owners if not more and forcing people to pay almost double the fuel price so they sell their fuel on top of ours... -_-

And people buy part land fuel part dao fuel as bonus

[tardy falcon]

no... the dao is minting tons more... 95% to landowner 5%
The DAO fuel sells at the same price that you set
People pay 0.0000026 always but get whatever current market value is

[mortal mirage]

So land owmers got scammed then

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[tardy falcon]

no

[mortal mirage]

95% of a scarce resource being minted unlimitedly by a third party that didnt invest in the nfts is ascam imo

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[tardy falcon]

You aren't the only one to not like the 95/5 split
It is quite unpopular with landholders
However it is quite agreeable to token stakers looking to get revdis

People have talked about submitting a proposal to change it but you'd have to get enough people on board to have that ratio changed

[mortal mirage]

Sothe people that profitted from land owners want to now use that money to take the money the land ownrs were gonna earn... great

Token stakers didnt have a right to that money in the first place. They agree bceuase they taking money they never should have had in the first place... of course

[tardy falcon]

I'll add this tho... if there were a ton of people playing the game and fuel were selling right now at a better price then no one would be complaining... but since the daily fuel sales are dismal we are at this point

[tardy falcon]

no... this was the system in place since the beginning

[thorny crater]

From what i understand as of now.
The DAO buys the lower amounts but still sells at the current market value. BUT The difference in the lower amount and the current market is given as a bonus to the buyers.

Then land owners get 5% of all total fuel sales

[hazy jewel]

Guys, anyone here is selling fuel? Just to understand how much they are selling and making. Today price is 70 per unit, average is 35: if you list at 70; are u selling? Otherwise who is constantly selling and at wich price? Thanks to those who will answer

[vocal pasture]

Any estimate on when might land owners use their own fuel?

[tardy falcon]

current crypton price is 0.000000840486746698

see this is why we should hve a realtime fuel chart XD

@verbal igloo would you know who to tag about opening up api data for the fuel exchange ledger? @burnt viper is developing an app to track fuel price in real time but needs api data opened up.

[analog basin]

I have been placing sell orders every single day and at the rock bottom floor price. I even update the price couple of times a day in an attempt to keep up with the falling knife. I have managed to sell 511 units in 14 days for $1.70.....off to buy a yacht brb

[radiant sky]

opening up api's for zero was debated on imc level.
At least there was an IIP which got declined.
We will see what the future brings.

[tardy falcon]

idk... I sold several thousand yesterday. U have to go well order, delete the price and see the floor minimum pop up underneath and list at that price... do it fast

but it will sell... refresh page for most current

[analog basin]

Mate read my post again....I am doing that

[tranquil rampart]

Hi there, any1 has any information about the Illuvium Support? I have contacted them on the 28th of July because something went wrong with pairing my IMX passport with my Illuvium account. I have not received any response since then. Anybody have issues with support to?

[tardy falcon]

sounds good

[still wadi]

why plant has lvl?

[radiant sky]

i guess the time matters aswell.
Tried to time the sale for european and/or american evening?

[analog basin]

I'm inputting the exact number that comes up in an orange font.

[thorny crater]

Is there a summary about the final decision? To me its like the private business world(not including corps they have no choice with the SEC) where who woul want to share that data?

So your competitures can steal it and sell it to marketer/etc? I agree wiht the decision BUT i wish there was an expection where you can get the API to your lands only. After verifiing of course.

[analog basin]

Could be that as I am in South East Asia

[radiant sky]

it's just a wild guess, but i would try it out.
the majority of the following is according to the events in discord an to polls on x based in EU and US.
it's also the hemisphere where the average bob has some more money to spend on games than in asia.

[tardy falcon]

nop... the price lowers continuously so u just have to keep up...
currently 0.00000084041126428

at some point there will be a bottom

[analog basin]

Jesus and the money lenders in reverse springs to mind lol

[analog basin]

Can we go negative and get paid for buying fuel? 😉

[tardy falcon]

Currently imc is deciding to reduce fuel output in order to mitigate and stabilize fuel price. I'm pretty sure we'll get an announcement in due time about changes to fuel production.

[analog basin]

Think that is inevitable in some form or another.

[radiant sky]

oh damn. i hope not... they just raised it like two weeks ago?
Getting double rugged with waiting on 2nd wallet support first and now they decrease the fuel output.
And doesn't solve the problem really, since the real problem the demand is.

[analog basin]

OK off to follow your advice and chase the orange digits again

[tardy falcon]

dang. it would be helpful to be able to track actual pricing in real time.

[still wadi]

whats this for?

[tranquil rampart]

Illuvium Support is down? I have not got a response on my ticket since the 28th of July...

[tardy falcon]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1273163401132245024

scroll down

[radiant sky]

<@&1107754780744487002>
What about Opening up API to track fuel sales in real time?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/well-thats-unfortunate-sam-rockwell-don-verdean-thats-unfortunate-pitiful-gif-18341074

[flat steeple]

The Higher the age the higher the resource reward when cleared

[lyric lodge]

Why has the price of land gone down so much ?

Like it literally dropped by 50 percent

Really thought it would go up after launch!

[flat steeple]

Not a lot of demand on fuel since launch

[lyric lodge]

Why ?

Why is thr demand for fuel low....are people not playing?

Why?

Are we waiting for combat?

[ocean haven]

i believe a lot of players left over the years due to how land holders were treated, we have what 50k? token holders, and about 2k players, i feel like it tell a lot of the story
i dont think this will change until we prioritize asset-holders over token-holders, but thats just my opinion

[lyric lodge]

And what has tye team said?

I am sure they are aware

Well I have always said ow is boring in its current form

[flat steeple]

We all have

[lyric lodge]

If people don't play the game .....the entire project is doomed

[rotund forum]

Any idea why mate? It was declined

[lyric lodge]

I mean the team is aware of this right

None of that will matter if people don't Play ow

[quick arch]

CAN I PLAY MY OWN PLOTS IN IOS YET???

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-i-think-i-need-a-hug-i-need-a-hug-give-me-a-hug-gif-22023342

[flat steeple]

For months now, yes

[radiant sky]

you can read the comments of the different councils to their voting in
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/809220500756234280

[ocean haven]

well i mean i fell like at this point then, they are bacisly saying if i cant have it no one can...
also not just talking about land holders i mean in general, how much better would it be if some of the profit went to arena leaderboard, and people feel better about spending money if they know the money actually gos to price pools etc like seen in dota and cs2 stickers where the money gos to the players

[quick arch]

I thought I could only play the free plots, not the ones we own. Are we available to sell the fuel in the market too??

[lyric lodge]

Ok is there any suggested solution?

I mean in making ow actually fun

[flat steeple]

You can play on your own plot, sell your own fuel. But you can not use your fuel to fund your OWN runs(as of yet).

[quick arch]

I thought we couldn't do that on iOS just yet!! Thanks a lot!

[lyric lodge]

Ah man that's such an uncalled for response

[rotund forum]

When the rail goes negative they start charging you 😝

[tardy falcon]

it's a big project... things take time. i'm sure they are working on a lot of things... but won't happen overnight

[tardy falcon]

yah it's been nice to be able to play on iphone (;

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/setting-a-mousetrap-the-cuphead-show-setting-a-bait-trap-trying-to-catch-a-mouse-netflix-gif-27352519

[lyric lodge]

Your a child...go get your nappy changed

[hearty cradle]

afaik the team is working on improving the FEX, but we can bring this up

some team members are on a break

[uneven pulsar]

so I read last news about fuel. I right understand we will decreased fuels a day from land?

[hearty cradle]

kieran said they are talking about reducing production yes

[radiant sky]

i guess they are working on ui.
was just some community members didn't know who to ping.

[uneven pulsar]

and coz we will longer to build some building coz can't have a lot of fuel? right?

[hearty cradle]

idk who to ping to honestly
i know perry is our data guy

[thorny crater]

I think is lack of intake community.

My boss played for 3 days. T0 only. He will not pay until he thinks the game is worth it.

That said, he is a web2 person like most gamers. In OW after you get all you equipment and stuff his redone was then what?

Basically we need multiplayer. I have a few ideas I through if what I would want a T0 to be like. If the consumer experience is A+ the consumer will WANT to spend money.

[tardy falcon]

One of the biggest challenges I see to the game's success is the contradiction of value extractors vs fun gamers. Let's be real... crypto is full of ppl chasing the sprinkles. This airdrop certainly brought the value extractors... but not so much the paying customers. And quite possibly hurt the project more than helped.

The game still has a steep barrier to entry. It's complex. Where does a new player begin and not feel overwhelmed? Gotta make the game easy and fun to play.

[radiant sky]

i guess decision about opening up api needs to be made on higher stage.
Like admin/IMC stage

[thorny crater]

It was well liked do to the free stuff aspect but, I’m against just farming our customers to make a quick buck.

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[mortal smelt]

reduce production from higher tiers? like we aren't making anything rn

tier 1-2

[hearty cradle]

idk the details

[thorny crater]

To me it’s a Pokémon blast to the past expect my illuvial pokachu aka atlas is owned by me 🙂

But 99% of my time is in zero. The OW battles take to long. But I like shoot’em up games. Never was in to the tft type games.

[grizzled remnant]

wait. they already want to change to bring back overvalued price to play OW ? it begins only to be a affordable price to play..

[uneven pulsar]

actually, I think that every season we have rewards for the leader board and every new season need to catch again illuvial or again upgrade weapon armors etc. Because without burning how to play? where should we take every season new players)

[hearty cradle]

i agree

i even started using the auto scan

[grizzled remnant]

tempted to.

[thorny crater]

Same. I want prices lower cause 15-20$ for a stage 3 runs is just gambling

[grizzled remnant]

5$ T3 will be gambling too

[thorny crater]

High stakes gambling* sorry

[grizzled remnant]

1$ T3 will be gamgling too. but at least you can keep playing..

[thorny crater]

lol

[hearty cradle]

sometimes i just wanna have a quick run

[thorny crater]

Yes, there has to be a want or fear of loss, like if I don’t do stage three then I can’t do x….

Or

You and I can split the fuel cost and travel together

[ocean haven]

lets put it into some context, our pricing is about 10x of web2 games you cant just 10x price and be like come on guys.. its fun

[mortal smelt]

lower tier struggles while higher tiers are making it so they are changing the rules...

[tardy falcon]

I'm 100percent with you... make OW multiplayer with voice chat and you get people that wanna hang out, talk shit, and compete for something.

[thorny crater]

Make it to where we divide the resources or can even battle for them would be dope

[thorny crater]

I want to use my emotes and when I win a battle I can be like

https://tenor.com/view/lol-get-shit-on-kid-loser-dance-fortnite-season3dance-gif-18611274

To where 100s/1000s of others can see haha

[tardy falcon]

Growing pains right? There's a sweet spot to be had

[ocean haven]

yea true i hate lying data

[mortal smelt]

so let me get this right, land owners have no voice in any changes but the actions of whales can tip the balance and give land owners as a whole another nerf? I hope this is not the way

[flat steeple]

But it is

[mortal smelt]

yeah that 2 year ROI is looking more like a lifetime then

[uneven pulsar]

yeap)

[tardy falcon]

Still boils down to lack of daily players. It's a game loop that is currently very unbalanced. Landowners are just doing their part in selling. So it makes sense that fuel would be tempered in order to match demand. They are essentially closing the valve that they opened up too much a couple weeks ago XD

[mortal smelt]

which is why they should do it on a sliding scale depending on player base

[uneven pulsar]

I agre with you

[mortal smelt]

but then again ILV stakers would have a fit

and of course land owners don't have a voice

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-shrug-will-smith-idk-eh-gif-16144939

[midnight holly]

god damnit i missed it lol whatever idk why ppl excpted fuel to go close to 0 as nothing is set in stone, guess what they are adjusting thing. As we are still in beta we should still expect some change coming laong even if we are on mainet. It's working that way since pre-seson 1 btw

[tardy falcon]

Unless we unionize 😏

[uneven pulsar]

i think will be good to do option for selling 25%-30% of land resources only

[hearty cradle]

yea i personally would welcome a revert to that iz patch to ramp up production

[mortal smelt]

lol digital union

[uneven pulsar]

or increase fuel production with new players)

[flat steeple]

The problem isn’t with land holders producing to much fuel. It’s the DAO printing fuel at 1/19 ratio

[uneven pulsar]

yeap true

[mortal smelt]

just like the US federal gov

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-ready-yet-matt-fletcher-wentworth-im-not-ready-im-not-prepared-gif-22838262

[midnight holly]

hope its gonna end as a win/win situation as it should

[mortal smelt]

someone took notes

[flat steeple]

The change should start with changing the 1/19 depending on the player base.

[mortal smelt]

I know about being underwater on a mortgage but damn digitally?

[uneven pulsar]

its very pity that the marketing team didn't calculate everything for starting beta test(

[mortal smelt]

out of all the people im sure there are people in finance

[uneven pulsar]

we can longer builder our lands

[mortal smelt]

right...?

[tardy falcon]

good luck getting that changed 😅
I actually don't see a huge problem with it if there were lots of players cuz the economy would be moving along. but since we are stck in this situation it's low hanging fruit to bash the ratio

changing it to 10/90 or 20/80 wouldn't do anything at this point

[mortal smelt]

So far there is no "game" except the f2p that has NO interaction with paid stuff

[thorny crater]

well yeah its beta. the story is even built in yet lol

[uneven pulsar]

yeap

[midnight holly]

short term solution to mid/long term don"t work that great if thing still go wrong right

[flat steeple]

It would stop the printing of fuel from a large rate. Cutting fuel production from land wouldn’t do anything. If land owners are producing less then the DAO still prints and gets more out of fuel being lowered

[tardy falcon]

yup. so makes sense to temper fuel production... bring things back more into equlibrium... stabilize. then come to terms with the reality that they need more players.

[uneven pulsar]

short solution - decrease earn fuel a day
long - leader board for season + rewards in token
every new season adds new illuvial in the game + and burning armor or weapon mechanics

[midnight holly]

sure adressing demand problem is the key not the other way imo

[mortal smelt]

idk why they just can't have a OW with all the illuvials but in ghost form just to get experience into the real thing

[uneven pulsar]

i am playing in Axie Infinity long time. Big rewards = more palyers. this is constanta

[midnight holly]

it should'nt be that hard too, i mean we just hit 20k unique adresses and we were around 500 unique buyers tyoday as IZI say

[uneven pulsar]

but will be good point change rewards 95/5 than too(

[mortal smelt]

could be chinese farmers kek

[midnight holly]

Whatever make it 10k still enought

[hazy jewel]

The thing I don’t understand is: why should i play over world stage 3 consuming 1350 fuel per run. Where is the convenience in playing?

[hazy jewel]

Where I can see how much fuel is sold?

[tardy falcon]

the thing is... illuvium is not just a game... it is a project backed by investors in the ilv token. loyalty is to the token holders/stakers mostly because without them there is no project. without token value there is no rev dis. the fundamental premis of the project is that revenue goes back to the stakers.

Land is not inconsequential but it is not paramount either. Could be room to alter the ratio... but it'll take a lot of work to tug that rope.

[mortal smelt]

enough for what?

[tribal zealot]

if only they partnered with Ronin

[uneven pulsar]

without the mobile version ow and arena we can't have a lot of players... coz Filipino players can't use PC(

[mortal smelt]

we are minus 998,000 players

[uneven pulsar]

oh its powerful point)

[tardy falcon]

I like your ghettos... maybe they will adjust the cost for upgrades along with the production nerf

[midnight holly]

to make demand x10

[radiant sky]

that wouldn't help really.
ronin is full of money extractors but barely have money investors.

[tribal zealot]

I suspect the top 5% or 1% spending those txns per day

[uneven pulsar]

they have a strong comunity and players

[radiant sky]

absolutely agree

[uneven pulsar]

• money too

[tribal zealot]

their onboarding is superior than IMX but I agree with the extractors part

[tardy falcon]

that's another reason why I like zero so much... I can play it anywhere

[midnight holly]

now go swallow that exceed fuel supply because fuel price might start to moove other way if demand get hype and oh they will

[uneven pulsar]

yeap i agree with you. if i have wo on monile i think i will play too

[radiant sky]

yea, they make a pretty good job with onboarding 🙂

[still wadi]

just started playing how much can we earn right now. is $10 to $30 per day possible in T4 land?

[uneven pulsar]

haha

i think 5

[still wadi]

$5? oh

[tardy falcon]

Let's see how they do it... going to have to adjust zero also...

[uneven pulsar]

coz that price that you see in fuel exchange is different. you see that y sold 10$ your fuel but realy u get 3-5

[tardy falcon]

they can't just turn the faucet down

[last tiger]

Any news for zero what they are planning?

[thorny crater]

aw....the data bank capacity is both blueprints AND Biodatas. How will htat work in the end game. as in when the BP part is working and can be moved to our passport accounts. Will that decrease the amount?

[tribal zealot]

im surprised they didnt have a contingecy plan as the data was there to see on open beta testnet... was approx. 28K users

[radiant sky]

#1273163401132245024 message

[thorny crater]

wait how do we know the $252k /per day aspect?

[uneven pulsar]

guys, frankly speaking, if we have a leaderboard / league with rewards in tokens like 500k-1mln $ we will have a lot of players

[tardy falcon]

I agree... if airdrop were used for leaderboards instead then you'd have money coming in as well and not just money going out

Airdrop was prob good for preseason... but not open beta

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/setting-a-mousetrap-the-cuphead-show-setting-a-bait-trap-trying-to-catch-a-mouse-netflix-gif-27352519

[uneven pulsar]

yeap. i don;t understand this mission for now in the late game with a strong base of players I see reason in the mission but now need to do leaderboard, a lot of prizes places with different summa

[thorny crater]

that opne mil arena one is crazy

i still need to do it but the Council voted that it is ok to use youtube video to get to wave 40. That alone made me not want to play OW lol

[tribal zealot]

yea... twitter followers not very good in translating to actual players... we had the real time data lol... 28K... maybe 5% of that will spend.

[normal escarp]

I am pushing for more API flexibility so we can encourage third party platforms to build new tools and tracking. It’s really substandard rn imo. The fuel exchange is broken beyond expectation

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-dwight-the-general-manfredi-sylvester-stallone-tulsa-king-s1e6-gif-27284894

[normal escarp]

While we’re on the topic, how do you guys feel about finding a way for fuel to be useful in arena? Is that too much of a stretch?

[glad badge]

Can someone tell me if scanners results are tied to the tier of the land ?

[radiant sky]

afaik maincouncil already pushing for api's but might remember that wrong 😄

[thorny crater]

t0 i chill and shoot everything and have fun.

t1+ i strategize , plan out, and hope the RNG gods are on my side lol. missing 7 61% shards catches is a MAJORY butt hurt lol

[normal escarp]

Yeah they are pushing for it, more will come out soon on this I believe.

[uneven pulsar]

its weird when the strongest project with a lot of comunity and smart ppl can't calculate economics (

[flat steeple]

Will Star Atlas beat Illuvium?

[uneven pulsar]

yeap but if you know that you can spend 10 and earn20?

[thorny crater]

possible earn 20***

you can lose as well

[normal escarp]

I think it’s silly to look at them as competitors. Our industry is too small, we should be supporting each other. Either one doing well is good for the other. 👌🏻

[tribal zealot]

Same. I spent my free fuel and spend a few hundo. I have a good estimation based on my current ranking on OW.. how many other players paid too

[midnight holly]

still plenty of time to get gud no worry

[tardy falcon]

Gut reacction... imo yes... too much.
And how would that work? One of the problems with the 5/95 is that the DAO is constantly printing fuel. So if I send fuel to my OW account fuel gets printed... if I use fuel in arena it would have to go thru a process whereby DAO prints more fuel. Inflation is a killer.

[thorny crater]

Web 2 market share over ~150Billon while web 3 market share is around ~20-25 billion. still a lot but only ~17% of the total gaming industry market share as a whole

[flat steeple]

They squashed the beef?

[normal escarp]

Yeah, we’d have to rebalance this. I think at the moment there’s just a need for more utility for each fuel type.

[normal escarp]

No idea, but I’m close with both teams and have played both games. A feud between them is just silly.

[uneven pulsar]

yes ofc but smart ppl can always have profit)

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-brooklyn-nine-nine-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-intelligent-gif-15323617

[midnight holly]

both surival/leviathan right ? looks good as it strengthen the economy obv just don't end up too heavily on the paid2win side as it already a 'spend more for better stats' meta. But If i'm guessing good and it's all about emotes/cosmetic skin, go asap. For now ii will say it will depend on the utility you find.

i will pay fuel everyday if i could throw some tomato on some off my opponent too

[radiant sky]

not sure it's possible if it comes to legal rights.
But player being able to open up a leviathan mini tournament slot with a buy in of x amount of fuel, which is rewarded to the winner or a certain amount of the top participants could be a cool way to implement fuel in arena

[odd pivot]

my f2p plot buildings arre not laoding can anyone help me

[midnight holly]

ah yeah like poker tournament that's my job lol, well gonna have to protect your feeder pretty well as much as they do now in the poker ecosystem or they will not last long. And still it might tend to an overcompetive environment who edge is not a thing anymore then it will only be about countering the meta as i see thing. I could have wrong but i will take it very carefully anyway because fuel/money who goes into top player tend to not go back to the ingame economy, we call them pro and it's becoming there daily job. Yeah we might talk about pennie lol but still you got my point not fun to spend when your mostly on the loser side

[spiral ravine]

But this is your idea, how developers think to adjust this?

Are you referring to twitter followers of illuvium account?

why are they using bot? I mean the community here in discord is so big

Sure is that! How can we interpret this?

[tribal zealot]

Yee our F2P Open Beta Testnet was a far better guage of potential users that will play

vs. mainnet

[thorny crater]

holy crap

[spiral ravine]

And for you is a good thing for the future developments of the progect and revenues for us land owners?

[odd pivot]

my f2p plot is not laoding can someone help me it is showing blank can someone help me???????????

[tribal zealot]

yee play not pay

[spiral ravine]

Are you part of the illuvium team?

[tribal zealot]

no

[thorny crater]

i made a one block mistake and need to move all this over xD

[rose thicket]

@normal escarp @bitter glade I am "1 Bitcoin, equals 1 Bitcoin" kind of guy. Given Fuel is the base layer of the ILV economy, landholders are the "miners", and the only way to increase value is to either increase its utility or harden its scarcity why oh why did did we add a multiplier and now "bonuses" to fuel purchases? My best guess is that it was due to the limitations of the existing GameFi rails, and I know there is an old IIP enforce. My belief is everyone would gain higher confidence and clarity if fuel could be sold/converted to ETH on the DEX at 5% net with the option for holders to use the fuel one to one in game. Maybe there is lesson similar to what was obvious from the first iteration of Arena. KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid can be really sexy for the plebs like me.

[silver plover]

Does it require a databank 2 to store scanner 2 findings or does upgrading the database just increase storage? (I’m just assuming the storage amount increases)

[craggy shoal]

In an effort to incentivize creators/influencers to create Illuvium ZERO content and other future mobile Illuvium games I submitted a governance proposal to update the Alliance Program. Feel free to take a look and vote 👍 or 👎

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1273699233232457788

[rose thicket]

The fuel market is being a real B$@!% right now. Launching with derivatives is a head-scratcher, but it might have been necessary. My gut tells me that finishing the "game loop" might not be the "penicillin to our problem."

[rose thicket]

I clicked upvote cause I know the mad genius behind it.

[craggy shoal]

Much appreciated

[rose thicket]

Do you have the TLDR of why 19:1 fuel ratio was adopted? Was it due to functionality with the existing IMX rails? Or simply because of a debate and IIP?

[craggy shoal]

It ensures 95% of fuel sales go to revdis and 5% goes to landowners. It’s been that way since land was introduced.

[uneven pulsar]

its a little bit strange) I spent 500$ in mobile zero) before I bought land like a house) and some guys will be creating content in zero and take my money? better rebuy for this money fuel) and i will earn more with my land

[rose thicket]

Either the Influencers like Nijafe better start charming the gamers with cash, or pumping 19 units into the ecosystem for everyone unit in game is going to prove challenging. The whole "bonus" purchase thing and limiting UI of IMX is not helping the cause.

[craggy shoal]

You have the option to not use a creator code if you feel, but incentivizing creators to make content is a cheap form of marketing.

[spiral ravine]

What do you mean with they are taking your money?

[rose thicket]

My two cents is we need all the Nijafe creations we can muster right now. Like, Share, Subscribe, and help draw blood.

[craggy shoal]

I’m going to make IZ content either way because I love the game!
But when bigger creator choose between IZ or OW only one of them right now will reward them.

[tribal zealot]

lol illuvihub

[atomic zealot]

I just checked land prices, they are falling fast

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-bound-to-happen-at-some-point-ollie-dixon-gonna-happen-anyway-destined-to-happen-might-as-well-let-it-happen-gif-24962868

[atomic zealot]

Yeah...I'm surprised they're still that high...

[rose thicket]

Landholders, we should be crossing our fingers for ETH to move back above $4K over the next 90 days, the DAO to raise another fat fiat stack diluting our ILV HODLer buddies, and if we are lucky, maybe some degens will go aping some Illuvitars. If you do, please pay in fuel as soon as the team can get fuel on the chain.

[radiant sky]

don't forget all the t4/t3/MC's who just started 6 days ago 🙃

[foggy bison]

Just curious, is that because the price of ETH is falling or because sellers are dropping their price?

[rose thicket]

T4s at $4K by mid-Sept? What you say?

[atomic zealot]

Land is not an income generator for the devs, they already got paid so it's not a priority

[rose thicket]

well the devs at this rate got about 11 more months or they are going to have to start voting the Team off the island.

[broken roost]

they do BUT, the strongest incentive to bring people in is the airdrop right?. Which is based on ilv price, which will drop if people stop getting revenue from it, which is happening

so i dont know about those 11 monts

[tardy falcon]

leaderboard and collection rewards are better imo

[broken roost]

as a player i would find that to be a better incentive yes

[rose thicket]

yeah, the whole funny money thing kind of got exposed with the fiat cartel. Maybe not the best 2024 cycle strategy? what ya think mate?

[broken roost]

im looking foward to it

[tardy falcon]

yep... I'm a paying player and tbh IDGAF about the airdrop... I'm not going to run the hamster wheel of tasks (not directed at u hamster XD).... I would much rather play for leaderboards and a badass collection

kinda like Beyond

[rose thicket]

If I were the ILV Czar, I would be on the phone right now asking EPIC how to drop that Fortnite MP Unreal engine on top of OW. How many ILV/ETH does it take to get that code integrated today?

[broken roost]

i expect these changes by next season, so next week or so

but i might be too optimistic

[tardy falcon]

pivot pivot pivot

[broken roost]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-pivot-friends-pivot-pivat-ross-friends-gif-16902898

[bitter glade]

I’m sorry, can you explain what you think the bonus is?

[rose thicket]

People are reporting on the buy side seeing "bonus fuel" in the IMX DEX interface. I think there is ample chatter about it if you search this feed. I am only trying to sell so I do not have tactical grasp around it.

[bitter glade]

No. Didn’t you know that Landholders have a really cool idea called “Why don’t Landholder take literally all the revenue”. Some real short bus ideas floating in this channel.

[tardy falcon]

Nahh... not lately

Mostly around fuel price concerns and player base

[bitter glade]

You pinged me. Your message seemed to indicate that you had no idea what the bonus is. Just wondering what you think it is.

[rose thicket]

@bitter glade well we do not know. I am and numerous other 10+ plot holders would like clarity.

[bitter glade]

I mean it can change via IIP but when I read stuff about “whoa, that’s an oversight why don’t we get all the monies” I can’t take it seriously.

[tardy falcon]

One of the issues is the bonus is not clear in the UI... apparently that's being worked on.
We are hoping the api data can be made available so an app can track current pricing of fuel in realtime

[bitter glade]

Ok so when you ping me next time how about “Hey @bitter glade , what is this?” Rather than some crazy assumptions.

Try it.

[rose thicket]

@bitter glade what is the fuel bonus? And for what its worth we ping you because since Johnny its about the only source we know of to get straight answers.

[tardy falcon]

fml

[abstract swallow]

guys how could I increase success rate of biodata research ?

[bitter glade]

The bonus is a dynamic way said showing the current price of fuel in game.

It was designed by Vetemor and voted on by council as a way to show stability.

Instead of showing the actual price of fuel, it shows the “fixed price that doesn’t change” PLUS it shows how much extra you will receive.

So let’s say the fixed price is $1/solon. But the real dynamic price is $0.50/solon. You will see “Solons are $1/solon plus you will get a bonus 100% extra solons”.

[abstract swallow]

seems %5 success rate biodata research, how could I increase this rate ? anyone ?

[bitter glade]

Well you didn’t just ping me. There was a whole rant. I’m just saying skip the rant and just ask the question.

Also you can read the IIP which explains it in full.

[rose thicket]

very solid answer and helpful we appreciate all that you are battling and should be more supportive and encouraging.

[rose thicket]

might be a bit of merit in "the rant." I would be open to the perspective.

[rocky breach]

What's the trick to getting fuel sold? I've had fuel orders in since last week, at the lowest price allowable (updating the prices daily to ensure they stay at the lowest price allowable) and nothing has sold.

[tardy falcon]

Crypton is currently 0.000000833019192161
You have to refresh sell page and check the current price

it changes often... downward

[bitter glade]

For the record I proposed converting all ILV tokens to Land so that the fuel generation could be changed to 1:1 meaning the dao wouldn’t add 19x multiplier on each order but instead it would sell its own fuel generated from its land. And the same would happen for all ILV token holders (who would now be land holders). It would have the same result, but people playing zero wouldn’t feel “cheated” by their orders getting 20x.

[rose thicket]

I believe this statement. Your direction looks really wise as of today.

Landholders regret that others did not listen.

[shell rose]

Can anyone explain fuel exchange / sales? My test I did has been pending for days. How does this work?

[bitter glade]

Well, like I said. It wouldn’t fundamentally change the downwards price. It would just be about perception.

There are lots of ways to do it. But unfortunately one of the issues of launching in the bear market is that nobody seems to have any money.

[rocky breach]

OK, good to know. I was editing the orders I had in place and they had a minimum allowable amount, but I created a new sell order and it allowed for less than that ( 0.000000833019192161 as you said) so I'll see if anything sells at that price now.

[rose thicket]

Yes, you get ETH back above $4K and everything changes. The M2 printer is spinning so just hang strong.

[pearl marten]

Hey @bitter glade .. would like to get your feedback on this

So lately we’ve seen a lot of people complaining about the massive influx of fuel poured on the market by the DAO so what do you think about this?

Was thinking that for ex: When i list 1000 fuel, instead of the DAO adding 19000 more fuel to my order ‘oversaturating’ the market, the DAO just takes a 95% 'tax' if you will from my earnings. This way at least land owners see that fuel IS actually selling, the ‘too much fuel on the market’ complaint is solved while they get 5% of revenue as it was always intended…
I know the downside might be the ‘reality’ when you show people that they sell 100$ worth of fuel and they get 5$ in the end but it’s still the same mechanic.

[rose thicket]

@bitter glade here is one of my original sources for why I brought up the rant.

[lusty crag]

Megacities have been launched?

[arctic delta]

Bear market?!? Anyway the current fuel exchange is confusing to say the least. Till it is redone there'll be endless discussions about it. Should be as simple to understand as possible.

[prime loom]

Proper fuel Order Book with a bid/ask is in the pipeline as per Kieran's tweet

The Vetemor bonus system is a clusterf***, plain and simple

[broken roost]

🤔 is it not more a quantity of players issue than the amount spent per player?

[shell rose]

Can anyone explain how to sell fuel? I click market and it sits for days

[arctic delta]

The game needs players, it's August, not the best time for games. We shall see from September onwards.

[thorny crater]

when does beta end again?

i keep seeing people talk as if this is the full game

[arctic delta]

As far i understood, yes

[thorny crater]

this would be cool. except you used the "t" word in the crypto world lol. just say "fee" instead haha

words make people get "feely" even though its the same thing

[pearl marten]

You're getting the same now ... you want to sell 100 fuel -> DAO adds 1900 more fuel to the order 95%-5%
My solution just takes away the excess fuel on the market while we still get the same 5%

[pearl marten]

Yeah my bad

The point was for you to understand that we as landowners don't lose anything in revenue - just remove the excess fuel from the market

[rotund forum]

isn´t august on the southern hemisphere the middle of winter? I think the studio is located in australia, and so will be plenty of players. It should not really matter what month we are in is what I am trying to say.

[jaunty forge]

getting up to 3 workers, and letting us buying credit to speed up production before having a good player base was a mistake

[rotund forum]

Aaron seems to be in a great mood btw 😅 hope that is just some post holiday depression there. That said, maybe not ping the CEO for every little question, but channel it through the council we elected?

[arctic delta]

Like the initial price for land wasn't enough... have to squeeze more. And they wonder why land owners are feeling deceived..

[vapid jolt]

Have you been able to sell Fuel recently?

[rocky breach]

6 or 8 months! I have a Tier 1 land and without spending any money on credits I'm at a Nexus VII. I would be surprised if I don't have fuel to sell from it in another month.

[arctic delta]

That's for sure. And that's why it is so important to always be as transparent and informative as possible. So everyone can understand where they are.

[rocky breach]

Nexus 9 is max

[rose thicket]

Unfortunately, I wish it was that simple. When you introduce derivatives (19:1) into low-liquidity commodity markets (fuel), it can create great inefficiencies. I do not expect YT influencers who suggested this to understand nor appreciate this concept. However, I wish the team would be open to hearing and considering another perspective before this thing tries to really scale. Derivatives are not designed for anything less than HIGHLY efficient markets with deep pools of liquidity.

[bitter glade]

I wanted simple. I don’t always get my way.

[thorny crater]

you go from i need more fuel to i need more storage VERY fast lol

[jaunty forge]

we are just at the start, the amount of player double since I start playing in what 3 weeks maybe, landowners need some patience, it's just sad that fuel starting price was way too high cause now all asset prices are melting and all early player most likely loosing on the value... kind of not encouraging for them to keep playing. Main problem was to allow us to produce fuel too fast with our land

[thorny crater]

Steve jobs said anyone can make something complicated but it takes a true genius to make something simple

[arctic delta]

For the record. I don't blame anyone. Mistakes will always be made. Rarely things will go as planned etc. I mean a lot bought lands without knowing much about ILV, that's a fact.
The devs tho should be more informative, the whole mechanism must be displayed as to a 5 year old.
My point is that, those who feel deceived, feel this way because they lack a lot of information.

[jaunty forge]

you can pay 200-300$ of credit and max out your land crazy fast now. (I didn't do it because I play on a computer and realized it too late but if you put 10-15K on a T4 why you would not put 300$ in credit to build it in crasy fast mode...

[timber sapphire]

It hasn't even been a month, chill

[arctic delta]

He was chill, just making a point 😁

[thorny crater]

i paid 200 just for builders on 3 plots to have 3 builders lol

[rose thicket]

I assure you that the second-order effects of introducing derivatives into market structures with low liquidity pools can be very problematic.

[thorny crater]

then another 100 for my t3 updates

in ever business course out there they tell you to prepare for 6 months....why beacsue in that time dont except to make a dime.

the game is in beta. if you're over invested I understand your frustration but to say this is a bust is CRAZY wild. Would you rather a RUgg pull?

they can all just quit today.

no regulations in crypto so the govt aint gunna help you

[rose thicket]

sobering statement

[flat steeple]

[arctic delta]

Well... most expected more players in the game. And honestly beta in this day and age means that the game is complete

[whole spear]

https://tenor.com/view/only-a-quitter-quits-kenneth-parcell-30rock-im-not-a-quitter-im-not-gonna-quit-gif-21550178

[timber sapphire]

Enlighten me

[arctic delta]

He basically said that the land owners aren't the only ones going through pain right now

That we are all in it together

[near tusk]

Cardulox is bugged

[thorny crater]

that's a fair logical statement. But at least you give ideas back to the devs/team. Kudos to you sir/ma'am.

Personally i think it people who over over invested(this is an emotional one for sure), don't understand supply and demand/SBA.gov will give start up business advice which some need, OR competitors who are making accounts to try to bring down this game/community.

[arctic delta]

It is normal to be a little disappointed. The expectations were sky high obviously. But there isn't any toxic positivity or negativity around.

[thorny crater]

it has died down not going to like but from the 25-about the 5th

its was bad lol

[tardy falcon]

Will be eyeing that land as it gets lower

[thorny crater]

I was watching people learn supply and demand in real time while they invested in multiple lands....never invest crypto/other markets with out research...I feel for people but i will defend this project until the team shows me i can not. Since 2020 i have been very impressed where they came from and where they are now.

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-pet-hamster-crying-hamster-wiping-tears-with-hamster-crying-gif-25381682

[arctic delta]

To fully asses the game it'll need a few months of running

[mortal smelt]

Problem with fuel price for land owners is the whales that are front running everything to the ground especially at a time when we do not have players

[arctic delta]

Actually the more you have is harder to sell

[tardy falcon]

I don't see it as a bad thing... you need extremes to know what the boundaries are. They are just doing their job of providing fuel for sale.

[mortal smelt]

i highly doubt that with a lower price range

[tardy falcon]

The faster it drops the better

[timber sapphire]

I saw Aaron explain a lot of things, what is the problem?

[arctic delta]

The only problem is with demand. That's it.

[mortal smelt]

if land owners don't sell then the DAO sells the game keeps on trucking

[tardy falcon]

yep

[timber sapphire]

Oke nvm I'm not even going to start this conversation this guy has no idea what he's talking about

[arctic delta]

So why are you here? You want to argue with someone and you can't find anyone?

[timber sapphire]

Wasn't talking about you

[arctic delta]

Exactly my point

[gritty wave]

and apple almost went bankrupt...and then boom

[mortal smelt]

You know if a carton of eggs didn't cost a stage 3 run+...

[arctic delta]

Imo making the game cheaper or more expensive to play doesn't solve much

[thin wolf]

@harsh dew

[mortal smelt]

my point is there are things in life that get in the way of spending on video games based on the economy, higher priced stuff = less spending for other activities

I mean unless everyone is getting a pay raise that I don't know about

[harsh dew]

I will do the entry but you can do it enxt time it's pretty simple only 5 entry
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nQtyjnkcQBtWkkiJxQLx5saXODA6NF8i8sPmsxbkLBE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[mortal smelt]

now if I could just sell my fuel easily like that

[thin wolf]

ahh dident know you had a google sheet Linkky

Lol,yeah it is defintley a happy surprise

[arctic delta]

Not really, it means you pay for something you don't necessarily want

[harsh dew]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

[thin wolf]

did you put mine in?

[tardy falcon]

anyway you can calculate the actual market sell price in real time like that with the data you are pulling?

Sure yes... but it would be good to see it in chart form as to observe fuel price trends

[hazy tartan]

Oh man, I get extra I can’t stand this game for giving me more than the amount advertised

[thorny crater]

im cant wait for this if it passes

[tardy falcon]

There are probably people sitting on the sidelines watching fuel go lower and lower... waiting for the bottom signal.

[harsh dew]

You can do it 😄 will double check it after now that I know you order.

[spiral ravine]

What's the purpose of that goal?

[tardy falcon]

If you buy fuel at the cheapest rate then you get max value from OW runs... hence acquiring illuvials and materials at the lowest possible investment

So if ppl see fuel going lower each day why would they buy?

Just wait till it goes to a bottom and then buy

charting fuel price action is important

[spiral ravine]

Yeah infact i think that the price should fixed at a certain level there shouldn't be variations

[jaunty forge]

new commers that never bought fuel have any idea of the bonus given, things looks 3x pricier for them, i was in that boat for a while and prefer buying off the market... the set up is very very confusing until you understand it

[tardy falcon]

Hope they make changes so it's more clear for ppl

[paper flame]

It's fun to look at I guess.

[radiant sky]

the bonus systematic isn't bad in general, just the way the information is provided

[potent dock]

Yeah, standard is: Buy X get Y bonus!
Our current setup is Buy X
P.S. You got Y bonus.

It's like a cashier running out of the supermarket and chucking a pack of hotdogs on your car after you've already paid.

[radiant sky]

i doubt it.
marketing hasn't really started. (at least i didn't see anything 👀 )
which means that mainly the followers are in the system which have been here for a while.
All those know how the economy works (at least more or less) and would still wait until the big piece of land are selling fuel regularly.
At least that's all people i talk to on a regular basis, so i assume it's the majority 😅

There's also no missing out on rewards, besides the airdrop (which got compromised by multiaccounting and nobody knows whats going on with that.)
So nobody is in a rush to start grinding and just waits for leaderboards, tournaments and big fuel price drop.

But that's obviously just me throwing in a wild guess, so don't take it too serious 🙃

[radiant sky]

should be exactly like in supermarket.
You see original price
you see 20%discount
you see the new price tag with what you actually have to pay

then you go pay

the f2p which are here i woudl wildly guess are majority here for extracting airdrop.
If they see asset prices dropping along the fuel price, you won't pull more in.
those who tried and actually made a profit are already in, all others see the same as before... not profitabel in their opinion.

but who knows actually

[pseudo pulsar]

I didnt know about fuel bonus

[radiant sky]

you buying with silv2?

[pseudo pulsar]

I used usdc

[radiant sky]

mmh

ok 😄

[junior depot]

How would this be possible? Also, if this were to happen, then landowners who bought land specifically to supply the economy with Fuel would become useless, since every ILV token could generate Fuel. May I suggest that we use Fuel as a form of currency that can be traded for other assets with other players, similar to how DEXs operate? For example, if a landowner doesn't want to play Overworld but wants to collect Illuvials, they could use Fuel in exchange. This way, players who sell Illuvials would be able to use the Fuel to farm more without needing to buy it. ILV could then tax the transaction with ETH.

[prisma trout]

I have a question. I have the scanner and materials lab. Don't I need the data bank to store what I've scanned? I'm just now doing my first scan on a T1 land

[junior depot]

You would need it.

[prisma trout]

@junior depot
Thank you. This is going to be a real grind getting enough solon as my passive collectors are producing nothing. I have submitted 4 tickets so far & get a couple here & there. I have to mine Hyoerion & then convert it.

So what happens to the data from the scan until I can get the data bank?

[junior depot]

You haven't generated anything since you built the Solon converter? It will store it but to increase the amount of storage you would need the databank

[prisma trout]

@junior depot
I think I've gotten a total of 6 in about a month. It says 15 every 288 hrs which is a bug. It should be 28 hrs to produce something, but not yet.

@junior depot
Ok. I'll start workung on that. Thank you

[bitter glade]

Useless? No, current land plots would supply approximately 5% of the fuel which is exactly as it is now.

[junior depot]

Try chatting with the community for help. They might assist you accelerating your ticket or something

[junior depot]

However, they might not be interested in buying our Fuel anymore since they could hold ILV passively and generate Fuel themselves.

[thorny crater]

I couldn't report this in game, but when i log out of ZERO you just get to this screen with no way to exit. I know I can use ALT+F4, but not everyone knows that command kills the current application on

[junior depot]

I believe you can exit it because I'm doing the same thing every time, and the data doesn't get erased.

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky
Would you know of a way to expidite a ticket. My passive solon & crypton converters are still not producing. I've gotten 6 fuels tops altogether. They say, I believe, 15 every 288 hrs & I've gotten that few. I've submitted 4 tickets & they still say 288 hrs & not producing. I'm having to convert hyperion to get other fuels and it is abdolutely hindering my progress on my land plot..T1

[wet hollow]

Regarding the passive collection of fuel , not sure if it is true, but think I read somewhere that there is a ‘bug’ that resets the passive generation time whenever you press collect. So if you press collect when there is nothing there , you get nothing and it resets the clock till it generates more. I know I often pressed collect when it was empty as it’s not very clear.

[junior depot]

I think I read this too. If you keep clicking the converters even when it's at 0, it resets the time. So you won't get anything during the day.

[harsh dew]

If you have some time, could you provide us with some information on the mechanism behind the bonus when a player purchases fuel?

How is the bonus on purchase determined?

If a landowner is selling 1,000 Crypton at 0.0050, will Illuvium sell the remaining 19,000 at the same price to match the 1/20 ratio?

[prisma trout]

@wet hollow
@junior depot
Thank you. Maybe that's the issue I'm having. Someone else told me to press collect to see what happened. I won't touch it again unless something is there...lol

[thorny crater]

Oh yeah im just logging out. but an average gamer or beginner to computers will not know how to exit the game. I usually just make a bug report but couldnt do it from that screen

[prisma trout]

my 1st scan, but it's on f2p. The one on my land hasn't finished scanning yet

Bad screeshot 😝

[junior depot]

Congrats!

[atomic cove]

yes but wouldn't that mean that ILV stakers would basically be generating 95% of the fuel without even playing the game?

[flat steeple]

Almost there

[prisma trout]

@junior depot
Thanks. It's my fav as well as my profile pic on my account

@flat steeple
Nice!

@junior depot
Thanks

[pseudo pulsar]

@flat steeple level 7 ?

[flat steeple]

Up converting my way to lvl 8 in a few days/weeks/months

[pseudo pulsar]

@flat steeple i am level 6 trying get my fuel max out then storage

[thorny crater]

that t1 200 HYPE struggle is REAL haha

[radiant sky]

You should have a filling edge where you See the Progress of the passive Ticker. Keep an eye on that and how many fuel you get.
Also keep an eye on the power, without power they shouldn't produce passively aswell

You can tho always open a ticket ingame with going into plot overview and hit Report issue.

[flat steeple]

Yeah maxed out some to lvl 3, still have to upgrade quantum for lvl 4 before Nexus

[atomic cove]

I'm with you on this one. Only getting 5% of the sale is what it should have been all along. The DAO takes 95% from every sale, why try to hide this? It's a bit like the 'bonus' fuel from the random top rail-guard price. A simple order book wouldn't suffice, no... We always need convoluted systems.

[pseudo pulsar]

@flat steeple working on quantum 3 any time now need few mire fuel

[pearl marten]

Yep exactly what i was thinking - it was always the case landowners get 5% so we don't need to wrap it up nicely or anything.

Idk if he missed it or didn't have an answer but will try to ping him again to get an opinion
@bitter glade

[mellow lake]

Are the ILV stakers selling the fuel for the same price as the landholders or are they selling the fuel for the market price?

[radiant sky]

the fuel is in the same order which the landholder places on the exchange.

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky
Thank you Dr. Spoon

[atomic cove]

he did say he wanted it to be simple but didn't got his way. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

My only question is WHO did got his way with this fuel exchange system? We need to start getting some accountability for what's happening. Web3 is all about transparency. If Aaron ain't calling the shots then who is?

[prime loom]

Vetemor proposed this crap, it then got voted in

[atomic cove]

the sponsor for IIP-39 was actually Animositas. I've already said this in the past but that IIP is a clusterfuck of vague guidelines for something that's supposed to be taken as 'law'. But that's not even the issue here. In IIP-39 it clearly says: "Fuel sales are planned to be launched via an order book system allowing buyers and sellers autonomy in a free market system."

Where is the order book???

[prime loom]

👆

He asked who designed the crap system

[flat steeple]

Let’s see what you got brewing in IZ

[atomic cove]

Not to mention the fact that the top rail and fuel prices had to be approved by an ICCP and they weren't. This was a total failure from the DAO if you ask me. All for the sake of rushing launch.

[flat steeple]

They could fix the code so that hitting collect on “0” doesn’t reset it, that would be nice

[atomic cove]

I don't even know if I wanna do an ICCP to fix IIP-39. It's so bad and it wasn't even respected so why can't the team simply fix it?

[rotund forum]

Tesla...

[atomic cove]

I mean, it's hard to miss... It's right there in the summary saying it will be launched via an order book system. So why didn't we get an order book?

[prime loom]

I agree, there's no excuse. It's not that landowners want a disproportionate amount of revenue. We want the f****n agreed upon mechanics that yield that revenue to be in place

The current system forces the player to buy more than they want, and makes it harder for us to sell

[compact nebula]

What if the solution is to nerf the fuel production rate for every land plots 😬

[atomic cove]

well flash news, that's exactly what's about to happen: #1273163401132245024 message

[compact nebula]

There will be lesser fuel in the market and hopefully fuel will start to sell quickly

[compact nebula]

Ahh i see there is an iip already

[atomic cove]

yes IIP-39. IMO it's one of the worst IIPs we have.

[compact nebula]

Im going to take a look now

[atomic cove]

completely vague, which is what leads to what's happening now.

[rotund forum]

I auto reset fuel extractors but yeah, the converters I do manually… just let it stack a bit and when extraction finishes take the passive part. Ideal it is not.

[flat steeple]

100%

[rotund forum]

Anyone know this? Do the data banks have to be close to the biolabs? Or can they be far apart?

[atomic cove]

yeah not being able to claim the converters' passive fuel without having to turn off the auto reset is so annoying...

[foggy bison]

Can you see the "border" (red arrow) that goes around the outside of the Collect button? For me, it runs clockwise and usually doesn't give me anything until it gets around to the 3 o'clock position, which takes at least a day if not two to get there. I've also noticed that it never gives me less than two, like maybe there's a minimum or something. I have clicked on the 0 at least 50 times, and the border always stays the same and keeps creeping around. I never lose border progress (timer) and eventually it gives me some.

That has not been my experience at all. I always get something after a couple of days no matter how often I click the 0.

[quick arch]

Guys, how do I fuse my metamask wallet into my Passport Account that I have already created?

[foggy bison]

Yeah, the timer definitely resets, but only if you get something. As long as it's 0, it keeps timing without resetting no matter how many times you click the 0. Thanks for clarifying.

[junior depot]

#📣〕announcements message

[lunar shell]

one of my hyperion extractor suddenly has stopped working and production never progress/starts. It has enough energy from power plants and in the Activity tab just shows like a pause icon. Any way to fix it?

[grand silo]

do I need to get 3 bio data before using my materials lab? or can it work with 1?

[deep granite]

try moving it to a new place and then back, as well as the power generators around it

[tawdry wedge]

Hi guys, might be a silly question but, if I hire an extra builder, will that span across multiple plots of land? Or do I need to buy an extra builder for every plot of land I own separately?

[tardy falcon]

continued trend

[quick arch]

This doesn't tells me anything my friend. I am trying to link my metamask wallet into my passport account that I just created, but I believe I can't because there's an error message saying that I need to have a brand new immutable passport account in order to link it to my metamask wallet

[lunar shell]

cannot move an extractor (!) is attached to a fuel location

[rotund forum]

A trend that broke today was revdis which for the first time was higher than the day before. More stage 3 runners I imagine.

[deep granite]

ah sorry, thought you meant converter cause you said passive fuel generation 😦

[tardy falcon]

I heard yep... I played for a couple hours today also... stage 3 XD

[deep granite]

nvm you didnt even say that lol im silly

[tardy falcon]

Bought some fuel also

[pseudo pulsar]

@flat steeple

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528457