#🎮〕illuvium-zero
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Ok sorry I’m catching up =). I connected my email to immutable passport on iOS and logged in. I only see one plot but I have a few more. Is this just a random test net plot?
So anything right now until July 28 basically is just for messing around on iOS? On July 28, will everything be actually connected to our plots?
not 28th, it's from 25th
it will be on the mainnet
Oh beautiful! Ok so basically this is just for fun til 25th then we go all in?? lol
I've got a couple videos in #🎨〕community-content and have a couple more coming this week! Will be sure to overview land benefits and objectives for beginners too 😁
Will do that one tonight I think
yep
iluvium zero it is working?
Is there a list somewhere that shows how much fuel is produced by the different land tiers, once you max out the buildings?
because i try to see my land but i can not build on it
guys for you now it is working iluvium zero on mobile ?
Not for NFT land till Thursday
yes
Yeah for mainnet
from 25th you can play on your land on the mainnet
so all the players they gonna starting from 0
yep
Yes
Sell illuvials yes
nice 😄
but, you don't get Illuvials from Zero
Hi
What is happening with the structure limit
yeah, but you can find illuvials only in OW
in Zero you can research for bio-data and blueprints
yes, fuel
you can use that fuel in OW
Hi my structure limit is now 10 how is this possible
they will have to buy from land owners
ok
😄 i will do it after 😛 when i will understand the game
tier 2 it is my target
😄
i will try to farming with 0
😄
see if it is working
Hi
Someone know what the problem is with the structure limit of 10 ? Now stands 31/10 with me
Hi everybody, since the update I could play once. Now it refuses to start up. Is it me or is it offline for everyone? Thanks in advanced
yes i had the same i noticed yesterday haha
O and now is it fixxed
Or what did you do
Sorry I misread, I thought you said that is was fixed. I don't know if it's fixed after the update, I could only open Zero one time and now it won't start up
Guess there's an update curse going around the world 😉
anyone knows what currencies will be available to purchase the gold coins from the shop?
Seems fiat
paypal, visa?
Well I have an android so let's me use Google play to buy
now it loads again and the building bug is gone 🙂
O serieus ? Im gonna watch
I still have the building problem
I think someone answered you, but yes, exactly
anybody know if credits will be carried forward from season to season? and are they able to be used account wide, or are they plot-bound, for those of us who have more than one plot? and how long are the seasons? i think i heard somewhere 5 months. maybe this will change.
will we be able to swap elements and fuel between plots? will we be able to use fuel from one plot to build up another plot? and are they carried forward from season to season?
Was there an update to the application for leveling up?
I just completed a bunch of goals and my XP bar didn't change at all. I'm level 46 currently
Hey guys, do you play Izero in mainnet or testnet?
testnet for now
it will go mainnet from 25th
Ah ok, ty
Fairly sure the team has consistently said you can't use/transfer elements or fuel across plots.
Has the team said that plots will be reset with seasons? This is the first I've heard of then resetting ppls plots on mainnet
@manic ginkgo this answers 1 of your questionsr egarding the coins
Or at least the best we know without the team officially commenting
So the missions will start right at launch? Will they start right awat for all games or just Zero?
Heey team, for two days in the row everytime i try to play Illuvium zero I get nothing on the screen just the forest and I can't see any of the structures/buildings I built
And its just frozen
Is this something from your side
Or
My side?
No plots ought not be reset each season.
Fantastic!
So is IZ going live on the 25th and we can sell our resources?
Seems like it
are upgraded plots sold upgraded with open beta?
same here, what can we do?
make sure you have the latest update ,they fixed that one
I had a question about a possible bug, when I’m mining fuel the timer is showing 3 hours and not 24 , is this a change I missed or a glitch?
ty i will try
If u look though u get less fuel so its shorter time but less fuel
Ahhh ok , I was surprised I could harvest so soon
That is going to make keeping up on resources much harder
@ivory badger
Yes it is. It's more like it is on the land plots. At least the tier 1 that I have. ..the amount of fuel. At least when it was closed fir a while. I'm waiting to see what has changed on the land plots on the 25th
This change is going to make it very hard for a tier1 land to even produce fuel
Y’all lucky y’all still can play
How can i get a land to farm fuel?
There is no point in playing Zero at this time, it's all getting reset on release I heard
We really need some clarity on this matter
These are test plots on a testnet
Mainnet is a different blockchain with your own plots
So these won't be reset per se but are totally useless other than for testing
I actually noticed that my land on Testnet has all 3 fuel types, and my tier 1 land in reality has only Solon.... 😭
So .... I will be having a goal of upgrading from Tier 1 ---> Tier2 ---> Tier 3 etc etc...
How much cost a t2 land?
Yes it's getting reset.
We will all go in fresh on launch
wow, i just got a call from somebody with an indian accent asking about my illuvium account. i trolled TF out of this person, how did he get my data?
fukshit, that's all i can say fukshit
my telephone , my personal phone number! what is going on here illuvium?
better fix this , quick
his name was steve, he seemed to know a lot about me
my illuvium dream is fading into darkness
it was a dream where i could work hard and farm my land
a dream where i could toil and find the best seeds to grow on my fertile fields
a world free from greed, i workded hard and planted my seed
but now i have grown so tired, of people pilfering,
i have given up on my seeded plant, and began suffering
all by a guy named Steve
all by the bugs we have teached, you have no advice to be preached
give us a clue as to what to do
where are these calls coming from, an indian nation from above, give us a clue, not to be stuck like glue
when we sell our fuel, who will benefit, a guy from india or a cool dude from the team
illuvuium was always my dream
it will take 2 years to recoup. but if steve calls again, what should i do?
he wanted my info, but i could not give. this is illuvium, who tf is?
has illuvuim outsorced, or will my illuvium be forced?
i am not sure about all the lies. but i think india has strong ties
yeah, i would like to report a scammer
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i just got a call from someone claiming to be from illuvium, should i be worried?
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How can they get my phone #?
That's actually a pretty cool goal!
And buildings will stay on plots that you buy, so if the owner has been playing them, you qont have to start from scratch
Hopefully there will be a way to see the plot level (seems easiest) and eventually the actual buildings on it
This will help the resale market a lot imo
Which = more revenue for rev dis
How to connect wallet to game account?
I can't believe that some of the annoying features are still in the game at this point... much of which I reported ages ago
❗ You can't collect your passively collected resource unless you stop the generation of resources
❗ You have a level progress bar that is always full -- when I get to level 45 the bar should be nearly empty instead of making it seem like i'm most the way through the level
❗ You can't hit the ESC button to close a window overlay (like in settings, or looking at details of a building -- basically anything with a X on it to close it
❗ You can't collect your resources if you are looking at any visual overlay (like power, efficiency, etc)
❗ What is up with the power brownouts? I have 3x more power than I can use but sometimes the buildings show no power - but a few mins later they get power back
❗ You can't just use your left/right mouse buttons to lay/pick up pathway
I can drag
U have to start on an existing tile
ooh, that is a major improvement 🙂
Yeah when I figured it out I was very happy
Many of these issues are annoying I admit. But the biggest one is the first one right now. I'd like to see that changed/fixed
And I've had some weird stuff with power too but no blackouts like yourself
also, on a full screen there is no reason this the first text column should be so squished - can't tell what any of it says -- "Convert..." - would paste a pic but it will not let me
activity window
Does anyone know how to withdraw illuvuim during the season 0?
There will be a claiming bottom
They should be. That is the intention.
Getting an issue where my plot is just totally dark and I can’t see anything, is this a bug that’s already reported?
I mean from an immutable wallet to metamask . Is there a tutorial video?
I think scoriox did a video
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Why we can't add structures 😭
Did you upgrade your nexus?
Or you're on iOS?
Im using IOS HUHU, MY NEXUS IS LEVEL 5
Hopefully soon
IN Illuvium zero is a 0 tier plot of 0 benefit to a tier plot and if a tier plot does not have all 6 resources does it have the potential to not be able to collect enough to upgrade anything
And following my first 2 questions can a tier 1,2 ,3 ,4 ,5 plot share resorces with the other plots i might own if i bought some
F2P plot does not interact with anything else (no selling fuel, etc.)
Converters allow you to get all resources needed, regardless of bad land resource sites
Sending resources to other plots may come as a future feature, they've talked about it quite a bit including having it take longer for more distance between plots
thank you a perfect explain ❤️
is the things people are already farming in Illuvium zero going to be sellable or will everyone start over on launch
No one is playing with their NFT lands yet, still on testnet and only f2p plots until Thursday
Fresh start for everything
ok cool
do we know if the plots 1-5 will have quests for resorces like the t0 do
The in game goals are not tier specific. So yes.
Sounds like a resource site.
hi guys how much is a tier 3 land lowest cost right now?
Yeah. Carbon outcrops
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/zero/land?buy=true&view=grid&sort=buy_quantity_with_fees%2Basc&tier=3
0.8925eth
yeah ive been reivewing them trying to figure out whats what
That should help
Question guys...can we play our land before July 25 and create fuels? if not who's going to provide fuels on the start of mainnet?
wow mint price was 3eth now its down to .89 eth? is that correct?
seems cheap right now
perfect thank you
Do we know if u buy someones land that was already built on do you keep all their progress
That’s the plan. But I’m waiting to hear some confirmation if that’s really been implemented for launch.
that would be cool because it would enhance the value of land sold later
oh syet 6.9 eth for a tier 3 land now its 0.89 . might be a bargain? should i get 1?
do we already know if on launch theres no lands yet farmed for use where the first gas will come from?
All lands will start blank
RIght so when the game launches will players in beyond have to wait for the zeros players lands to farm stuff to be sold or will the resorces temporarly come from elsewhere?
sry for all the questions
fuel will be provided by illuvium in unlimited amounts
There will always be fuel available to buy. The game will sell fuel.
will zero main net give a free start plot ?
Yeah. Like what’s on testnet.
But it’s not gonna produce real fuel or blueprints. Just usable for missions
on the redis for land is it a set % per land type ? or does it matter how much u paid for your land
It matters how much fuel you sell.
That’s the idea.
icic
If you wanna passive return stake ILV. Land is active.
so if i sell a resource does it just sell at the current Price to the very next person who buys it?
you have been a great help to me today jesse
sadly i got 4 friends trying to add me that all are pretending to be you haha
Something like that. Yeah. The order book system is a little complicated to explain. But not too complicated to use.
Check pins in #🚨❗〕report-scammers
land with 3 type of fuel is so damn expensive lol
i'm just trying to decide if i should buy fuel and play Beyond then try to turn a profit then buy land with the profits
or start with land and only a bit of fuel
choices choices.
i dont want to touch my staked ILV
Thanks for the conversation (:
are the resource output trastically reduced with the new update?
Not that I’ve seen on iOS.
hmmm strange
What are you seeing?
Problems with building ceilings
All the resources and everything I have build has disappeared, just see an empty land since 2 days - anyone suffering the same ?
Yes, I'm like you, and a lot of people have this problem.
Zero working on iOS? I still got empty plot
Use TestFlight to update
You need to update.
Is it possible to play multiple plots at the same time?
Not concurrently. But on the same device sure.
😟 can I use multiple devices to play concurrently with the same wallet?
No
So we are locked to one game instance per wallet running at a time? Eek
Is there any plan to change this? It makes playing multiple land plots a bit of a nightmare
Let me get more clarity on this because you can't open the same plot in multiple devices at once but you should be able to open different plots in different devices
before 18 fuel production now 2 for 100k costs
the power distribution really does not work...
I have 1400 from power stations
and the requirement from buildings are 425+200...
Edit: moving one powerstation fixed like 4 building without power
Things are getting worked on for Main Net, I would notstress toomuch about it
Report bug in-game please
So need plot with 3 fuel to sustain them self hmm
Is common plot able to sustain to with fuel trade ?
you dont need to own all 3 fuel mines, you can just convert the fuel you have to the other you need
Have you a simulator to optimise the location and efficiency of the buildings ?
I need it before i place my buildings, is hard too move something after the land is full of power station 😦
Hi Guys , just quick question, should I see my own lands while playing zero now? I used to be able to play on them during alpha stage, but now I don’t see them. I only have some random plot to play. Please let me know🙏
you see your real plot the 25th, you see only one plot for training for the moment
Ohhhh ok, then I am calm now, 🙏 Thank You!
Can we download the game already wich will be played on the 25th? Or do we Need to download the game again the 25th somewhere else?
Oh ok great thanks - yeah I just want to open different plots on the same device or different devices.
One more question, does anybody else have difficulties to open zero on the desktop pc? It gives me notice"download the newest version" but when I do the same thing happans over and over again🤷♂️
Go on Epic Game Launcher , for update ILV0 (i think...)
Ask me again in 24h to see if I got a reply on it
never mind, i got it 🙂
hi guys I have a question about efficiency. How to better build power plants? And does the level of the power plant improves efficiency? I noticed that regardless of the level, to bring efficiency of a mine to 150 I need many power plant lev1 all around. the lev is not important. can you confirm?
I updated and it's fixed
Guys, is the level-up popup gone?
If it's still there I won't play^^
Also are megacities in play, or not yet?
👀
I still keep getting this message on my Android phone. I have already downloaded the latest version several times, but this error message keeps coming up. What exactly is going wrong here?
anyone got a recent good zero guide?
you're welcome
already see the conversion thing tip from scoriox is outdated, doesnt give more than cost heh
Nobody knows if you should build converters or not since nobody knows the output in Max Level for passive conversion for each different Tiers, also nobody knows if paths are worth Building, since nobody knows the Max cap of the time reduction.
Every Guide you watch now or in the Next weeks doesn't know either, he's just as much guessing as you are
i guess, will have to play and see, but just some info of what is what is enough for me now
i'd probably run to make fuel extractors at start which seems to be bad idea 🤣
You should be able to See that Info ingame, no?
ye you can see it but idk watching few dudes who played it longer and soaking atleast some info helps
I have two land plots in my wallet but they do not show when I load into ILVZ with my passport connected. Is this a known error? What can I try to fix it? I'm launching the most updated version in windows. The same thing also happens on mobile. These are two land plots I transferred from another wallet if that makes a difference?
Hey guys, are the current practice lots wiped on the 25th and do we get a free Tier 0 land on launch?
I accidentally delete my account and its said I cannot use this account anymore. Should I request to reuse that account again or everything will fine when we go to the mainnet?
I don't think credits are being rewarded for plant destruction ?
@wheat trail not sure T-0 land exist just free play
@rigid trout your land is main net why its not on beta test net.
Ok so after launch it should be ok? That's all that I care about tbh
@rigid trout your land and you start off new on 25th how i take it .
Ok thanks mate
Yes
You get now Elements for clearing plants.
@radiant sky o thats right i got use to other way
I'd love to be able to play multiple plots at the same time on PC again....if this is what you're after too please open a ticket request as the more they get the more they will consider it
is the level-up popup fixed (aka removed)?
I'd say it's fixed. I think they made level ups less frequent and also reward you with credits now for leveling up, so you're acknowledging that you're receiving one/more credits for the new level.
Yes that's how I was playing originally - just came back & noticed that it wasn't letting me play multiple instances. Where can I open a ticket request?
The new path system is pretty straight forward, just dependent on how many buildings you can fit into the plot that are connected
Would be a nightmare to start fresh with a bunch of plots only able to play 1 at a time...
Thanks!
Yeah, very hard especially in the beginning
Can anyone explain how power works now? Seems different than several months ago
Also, are notifications working for anyone on iOS?
Lastly, I take it when things are live, we can earn actual fuel and sell it on the marketplace even on iOS? I thought there were concerns that Apple wouldn’t allow crypto games or something.
Ok one more. Is there any wiki or something being maintained for about of these basics? lol
It's a brand new feature. Power stations equally distribute power to any buildings needing it that are within range (so you can end up with some strange situations where you'd expect there to be plenty of power, but that's not how it works). You can see more in a video I put together here if interested! #🎨〕community-content message
have those fuel crate nfts already been distributed? how could i identify them? my wallet is just full of scam nfts...
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Yes, for Tier 1-5 land plots, not F2P. Apple will get a cut of all credit purchases in their app store.
they also dont need to be besides the requiring plant, right? so we can set up a powerplant farm and good is
They need to be within a short distance
okay, so i placed them "correctly" - but as they have no radius atm, it is not intuitive, will report that once we go live
Look like this:
you already got them in your wallet?
Use the eyeball and show power, then you can see it when you move a power station
Yes, from the original airdrop. There will be another too.
yeah, i found them also, thx!
so what's the max cap?
i did that, but i find it more logical to have a radius around the power plant, when placing/moving them
My nexus isn't maxxed yet, so couldn't say the max number of structures. I see at least 152, so 16% if you're able to connect that many at nexus 8. Nexus 9 should be higher.
Agreed, it's a little funny to need to use the show options when performing tasks where you obviously need to see one of those most of the time. They should just show it.
someone knows if there is a way to leave a message to a seller on immutable marketplace? i bought another land recently and would like to ask the vendor, if he could also send his airdropped fuel crate 😄
I think the cap is probably dictated mostly by space on the land plot and how many buildings you can cram in while still having enough paths to connect those. You'd need to sacrifice buildings to have the paths and likely won't be at the cap
I'd assume they already factored that in haha
Yea, my point was if you don't know Max output of your Ressource production Buildings and don't know what the Max cap for time reduction is, it's just a guessing game if you should build paths, converters,Scanners/matlabs(,podarium)
well, i still see it in his wallet, maybe he isnt aware what gold lies there 😄 i can make an offer at least
It's just a guessing game, and in the End you might have to recycle half your plot
For sure
Great video @blazing ferry thank you! I saw you had some info in the video that looked like a wiki. Where is that? 🙂
Thanks! The podarium info there was just leaked in discord a while back
I think there are sites with some zero info though....let me see if I can find a good one
They're probably not updated with all the changes though for beta
Gotcha. You were showing the white background screenshots in there w mutated plant info etc
Yep. It looks like there's a little info on zero buildings at IlluvialMaster, Illuvidata, and Illuvihub (can't share links). They're all outdated though and Illuvihub is the only one setup to show the different building levels. Hopefully the get it updated soon!
are credits disabled as well I can't purchase them ?
Yes, disabled for testnet
Gm everyone, was wondering which device is less buggy if any to play at launch?
@broken roost hope thire is only one to pick
Will we be able to play Zero from Windwos Dekstop alongside the mobile version?
hi everyone, new around here so probably a very noob question, got interested in illuvium zero so went to the website, clicked on link wallet and it stay stuck on the immutable X screen without prompting metamask. Is this a known issue or there is something wrong on my end?
Create a passport wallet and try again with that wallet...would be my 2 cents
You will login with your passport wallet into Illuvium games
you may need to have created an IMX wallet already in order to do so
I have a passport wallet, didn't link the metamask wallet there, going to try with that step and then use it
tried on incognito, with the passport logged and instead of an endless loading, on immutableX, I have "no wallet detected ethereum mainnet"
Those who want to play Illuvium Zero on PC are at a huge disadvantage compared to those who play it on mobile, since PC players cannot buy credits, which would be necessary for extra builders. Will this change in mainnet?
Hello. Can i play illuvium zero with my own land? Ita not showing when o log in
I think you will be able to play with your own land on main release 25th
Ok thank you
Is zero available on iOS
yup
@radiant sky great response. Hopefully the tutorial or a guide will dislosue this key info at launch. If not, I guess most Landholders are at a significant disadvantage outside of those that mine this Discord or a Guild. @whole spear
ok sounds barable
Where can I find the link
Do I have to download new game version on 25th or can I download now?
Is Update always complete new download now or does the client update on its own now?
since day one all we will have is fuel crates till we start cranking it out, I wonder how many of the 20k crates will sit and not be listed due to reasons right this..might mean crates go for a premium over dollar value but we shall see
Worked fine in previous builds.
You should contact #❓❓〕support on the site shared in that channel.
If I buy land now, can I play testnet zero using my land?
I hope the change to mining fuels gets changed , right now I’m not able to keep up production of resources with the amount needed to mine fuel every 4 hours, how are tier1 plots going to be useful once we go live
Oh ok great
So if developed land is sold as developed land it means, in theory, that it should be much more valuable to a buyer in a month or so as we've invested the time and it's producing fuel...be interesting to see how prospective buyers can see the developed land, or if we need to list it in land discord with a description. So exciting that we are so close!
The game is completely broken, the report issue function does not work (the game freezes when trying to send).
Ok, so just tier 3? I want play using tier 2🤣
#❓❓〕support website should work
Just the f2p testnet versions on testnet.
Mainnet lands don’t work on testnet. Since it’s a different network.
Ok thanks
Can anybody explain how the power is working? In the build shows i have no power for extraction, but on activity i can repeat the extraction
power/efficiency is buggy atm
Sounds like a bug that needs reported.
So 200k resources to mine 7 fuel every 4 hours is a bug ?
4 days before release, and the game is full of bugs. Games that are released "badly" fail and receive negative reviews. I think the community will better accept broken promises and a delayed release than a non-working release.
chill....this is the down time, nothing is suppose to work now, lets see what happens on launch before you push the destroy button
how much fuel with lvl 1 is now normal?
hello, how much does a fuel mine generate at max level please?
And if I understand correctly there is no blueprint minting for a few months so won't it make more sense to not develope scanners and researchers and just focus on fuel production?
You may still want to find blueprints. Then you'd be ready to mint them once that feature's in.
I wish I had that information. Please just report any issues in the game.
I found it took me about a week to get all that done, so I'll probably wait till a month goes by or we hear more news before activating my scanners..but who knows, maybe just scanners and no research because maybe just limited transits by some illuvs
Could be the way to go for early fuel sales especially
This is what I’m getting. So should be 200 fuel at 100% on a maxed fuel extractor.
Got it posted! New Beginner's Guide video out there now for anyone new here.
Would love a few subscribers from the zero discord community too if anyone's willing to help me and my son out with our channel. 
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ok thanks a lot for the info
Do you think the fuel price will be the same as on the sepolia testnet? or will the price be radically different?
subcribed and liked
I believe this proposal is for it to stay the same for now.
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1262571796222185512
There has been some discussion though.
Yeah I'd still go for blue prints, and set everything up as far as you can before then.
I'm pretty sure I subscribed.
With converters less efficient in would seem to me having each element on a T1 would be more valuable now, and of course on higher tiers the same and also multiple fuels
the dyes are really good add some sparkle to the whole bp process 🙂
My lands are so screwed.
I always bought as much diversity...wasn't sure it would benefit but lucked out 😉
If I could by similiar land with more resource options I figured why not 🤷
Is stage 6 the top tier for Converters? At 150% efficiency, do the converters break even when swapping between fuels?
I have not made it there yet. But I doubt it. There is a question about this on a list I’m putting together for the devs
Except for the "Team," which provides "insider info," which I would not consider a "fair launch." Does anyone else consider the ramifications of this approach...I trust other landholders will post-launch.
What’s the issue again?
The "Team" who holds land has a significant "insider info" advantage over the rest of the landholders. This will not rest well if it's so ambiguous at launch. The team knows all the variables and can manage their land accordingly.
This is like playing a game of monopoly and not knowing you can mortgage the property and what it costs to unmortgage it. Radically alters the course of the end game
Oh yes, I see myself changing colours on a regular basis.
I seriously cannot keep the same outfit for longer than a few months. 😂
yea, i guess those know the numbers 😄
Candidly, this will not age well. Again, I am trying to be constructive. I wonder if anyone on the executive team has been challenged to think through this issue, as I know "fair launch" is the aim. This is a material matter that, in 3-6 months' time, will likely impact sentiment.
Zero updated, fuel level 1 now only product 2 hours?
it's actually not just the launch.
There's also lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, not just in zero.
Balance patches, set2 already in developement, additional features that's going to be implemented, etc.
Team always knows first and has exact numbers... can act beforehand to buy stuff, burn stuff, focus on gathering stuff etc.
DOA needs an IIP that mandates a "blackout period" for the team during such activity. This is how things are handled in the US securities industry for insiders. This is a no-brainer conflict of interest and matters with people investing as much as they have with NFTs.
=Land NFTs
i think there's an iip exactly for that... but you can't really watch and prove it
The Team should not be receiving compensation and then front-running the same source of capital with insider information. How can anyone think this is just?
This opens up "pandora's box" of distrust by the capital base if this comes to light.
I think everyone is expecting it anyways, no?
So on the 25th will zero also be live on the Blockchain or no?
Yes, Looks like
You will be able to use your own lands so i would say yes
Isolating this issue to Zero. The math formulation for game progression from Alpha to Beta is exponentially more complex. If this is not disclosed to the landholders at launch and someone monitors the on-chain activity by the Team members (tracks their wallets) and finds their land progression is, say, 20% better than the average, how do you think that will be received?
Don't think that would be the case... Everyone can build AT the Same Speed and buy all the builders, also the build Order is pretty much the Same for everyone in the early game... Progress first weeks is simply activity
My concern is over the entire mainnet beta period and then launch. The landholders are paying them for two years with no yield to front-run them on the build-out of the core asset base (land). It is actually a cascading and compounding issue because the fastest to fuel, the faster to OW hunting, the fastest to season 1 capture of limited illuvials (bounding system), etc.
Ok. So things like patch notes would help address that concern by providing information about the game mechanics.
All game mechanic variables, including anything impacting assets and earnings, should be disclosed. Landholders want to earn ETH while enriching their NFT for sale at the most basic incentive level. All mechanical inputs/outputs of Zero should be disclosed.
and I'm betting the team will be too busy at launch to be farming their own land for a while anyway lol
Sounds like the sort of thing the council would have to mandate.
lol definitely.
I’m so bad at all these games.
and you will be busy in here answering questions
lol the solution is not to ping all the devs all the time.
good luck with that 😉
@vivid cipher any recommendations on who is to best engage on the council on this issue? Nijafe_Plays on community council seems to be the only who has consistently voiced concerned for Landholders interests and I think he is now on the payroll.
So you think that since he is now on the payroll he can’t be trusted to do what’s right? Which is the concern anyways.
Any council member should be able to help.
Will IlluviumZero work on any tablet? Have a old android tablet
i dont think that the time between team knowing specifics and when the info gets released in patch notes will be that gamebreaking/advantageous for anyone... my 2 cents
I can give answers to the questions that I know the answer to, feel free to send a well formatted batch my way
You can attempt to download it from the play store. Probably minimum memory is the issue.
But indeed this, if we play at launch, it will be to inform the next post-launch patch to attempt to make the game better
You mean it Will be Big space require?
No. The ram
Think i have 3 ram on my
I don’t have real recommended specs. The play store might.
Could be enough. I’m not certain.
I see there was an iOS update. Don’t really see any difference. Guessing was bug fixes?
Did anything change with your fuel extractors? What level are yours at?
why i cant send screenshots?
Don’t have the needed roles. Too new.
oh okay
I believe if you go through the “server guide” at the top you should get at least one role.
That would let you post screenshots in #❓❗〕community-help
Maybe I’ll reset mine to test it…. That would be sad for me
Yah I reset before the increase cost for builders thinking it would start from level 1. But when you reset a plot it stays at the same level but wipes all buildings. Was wanting to get the 10 credits buuuut that didn’t work out the way I thought it would.
Very sad indeed
@minor pagoda can you supply in a CSV or spreadsheet the full inputs/outputs for the Zero assets through all stage progression to Landholders in advance of launch? Otherwise, those we access to such information have an asymmetric advantage over all other landholders.
Hey all I'm trying to get back into Illuvium. Is there a new season for Illuvium Zero?
does renting still exists?
@vivid cipher Will Zero be reset on July 25th as well?
Thanks!
And launch on mainnet
I'm not sure if I can, I would ask the council. The ones who have access to such information in that format currently are a small set of CCs who I commented on above. That said, everyone can get to that stage currently on testnet to find out (but I understand that's not ideal presentation)
im wondering if its profitable even just playing for free on ilv zero and overworld? if not can you guys give me piece of advice that would be a huge help!
How do I got about making a formal and actional request for this info? This should be disclosed to the landholder capital base and NOT restricted to a privileged set of insiders. This is not the ethos of ILV or Web3.
Not sure I agree on labelling "a small set of CCs" as "a privileged set of insiders", as mentioned above that set of CCs will be extremely busy the week after release and very little time to 'play for fuel' (if we 'play for fuel' it will be on test environments and we do it to inform the next patch for better gameplay and economic balance)
But I don't disagree with presenting it to the public, not up to me though
@long tendon
I can't Make it to Max Level until Launch, would appreciate that file.
And since it is publicly available if one should be able to get to that Stage, there shouldn't be a Problem providing those data 🙂
Lack of material disclosure to the investors in Land that materially impacts their earnings potential and ability to improve upon the value of their assets (land NFT). This is an issue for the $72M+ capital structure of this project that has over two years extra holding period. I find this more than reasonable. @long tendon @indigo coral @potent dock @marsh sage please advise.
@radiant sky I concur. This is important to get resolved now or negative sentiment will brew.
Spoon you dissapoint me, you are my Illuvium Zero - idol and yet I reached max level on F2P and you didn't 🙃
i havent yet understood how those crates will work. we can redeem them, so before redeeming we first will need to build enough storage for the amount, correct?
😄
Disappointed in myself.
But diverse bugs and rollbacks Made it impossible for me to go supersayajin Mode on testnet😅
The 5% efficiency Bug on powerstations which came with latest patch gave me the Final hit tbh.
you mean the mainnet release? is it available on mac already? cant find it
Mainnet is on 25th
I feel your pain, I'm glad I taught myself a behavior from a previous internal bug which meant I consistently dodged the rollbacks
sure, but what is Stuart talking about?
it could be that zero mainnet already is released for android?
Thought the Same and was good in the beginning with it... But one Day the started appearing, didn't Change behaviour. Guess was just lucky in the beginning
Latest patch i guess
but does it make sense to patch testnet days before mainnet release? my test plot got wiped, so i would not start from scratch again now, just if it was to prepare for mainnet already
thats me 😉
Your data should have been kept... Roughly.
I just got a rollback of a few days with that patch.
Make sure to deinstall the old Version first and get the new Update via the link in #📣〕announcements
AT least that's how i did it
well, i am on iOS, so i have to wait for the patch then
Ooooh, that's unfortunate
Sorry couldn't resist
😔
i am already used to it 😉
You don't have a Mac to play?
Or you just play on Smartphone?
i played on mac before, bc there was no iOS version - now i play on iOS, as there is no more mac version 😄
But Mac should work now, right?
Oh ok
i downloaded again two days ago, but still was the old version
Tried this link?
#📣〕announcements message
ahh, thats what i missed.. all in epic game store now.. thanks mate, that should work for now
Guys, is the plot that we have when we create the account a land or do we have to buy a land?
you always will get a free2play plot, if you own land, those NFTs will also appear in the list
on first alpha we had a tier4 f2p plot, this preseason2 beta was tier 3 (for me)
hell yeah, it is running, even with my latest dataset, like you said!
I don't see my plot and the website is broken every time I login I get a bunch of failed to fetch messages and takes me back to the login screen.
which website?
there is no need for a website currently
The illuvium website. I'm trying to look at my plots and nothing loads
but you wont see your plots on the illuvium website
you can see them on the immutable marketplace or ingame in zero
just not currently, as zero is on testnet and your plots are on mainnet
is illuvium zero down?
no
I have always played on my PC but I understand I could play on my iPhone. I tried to install but it asked for a code. Is there a way to install zero on an iPhone or should I wait for release?
it is available via testflight, but currently we wait for a new patch, you can continue playing on pc and mac tho
just testnet!
OK, I have test flight, how do i get into the game it keeps asking for a code
yeah, that code should be in the announcement
it works when you enter this link on your iOS device
just entering the code at the end didnt work for me
How will I be able to sell my fuel for eth? Do I need a marketplace for this or will it work without buildings?
you will need the zero point transducer building
Epic games and android did not work at the moment :/
got a question for landowners, if you have multiple lands to run and want to capture the illuvials in OW, what would you prioritize?
That worked! Thank you, I just want to see what it looks like I probably wont use it the first week or so
both i guess 😄
you can, but you would be spreading yourself thin
it looks stunningly beautiful on iOS, but it is not really practicable tbh
early on you wanna catch the best illuvials, but you still have to get your lands going
well, in order to save some money via the own land plot, i think it becomes clear that you should farm as hard as you can with your land(s) at the beginning, because as long as you wont stick with tier0, you need that fuel for everything
but i am also asking myself the same questions
will we be able to transfer our own fuels to our own accounts? Rich said, probably
yah that was confirmed by Aaron too
the zero point transducer already got implemented in sanctum mesa, so i guess this is how it will work then
good to know!
Yeeeeeee that's sick
My plan is to get the land up to hour long plus builds first then start my builds and go for an Overworld run. Go back to the lands get things started and go for an Overworld run and just play both.
My plan is to get my land built up on the PC, then use the iPhone when I am on the road to keep things going until I can get back to the PC.
This is the way
Can we research blueprints in Zero right now?
I don't understand how it came to this, except for IMX limitations. It's been years of planning that land owners would be able to transfer their overworld fuel to use on overworld.
But the reality is that this was not implemented for launch. Land owners will have to sell fuel for eth and then buy fuel with that eth. It's one extra step. But it's how it will have to work unfortunately. At least for now.
You can. But it's all pretend.
i think that's correct, we won't be able to do it during launch but eventually
ZERO Q&A
How do paths work, or how it should work?
The more buildings are connected to (touching) the path network, the higher the bonus (approx rule of thumb: every 10 buildings connected is 1% speed bonus). With a maximum of 200 buildings -> 20%
what Materials are needed to craft a skin? (AT least the different Materials, amount would be nice too)
Just Solon for launch
Are blueprints on a bonding curve similar to illuvials in overworld? Basically is there a reason to go for blueprints early if blueprints aren’t yet mintable or usable?
Blueprints are on a bonding curve
how is the 5% share from DAO Sold fuel at top rail going to be distributed?
Accepted proposal some time ago
https://snapshot.org/#/ilv-gov.eth/proposal/0xc4511bc3dadffcd3bcb617ea6b5fbeb8e0cf46c05f4805348f6fa87c601b8a0c
The exact mechanisms of distribution yet to be determined.
Blickter: Threshold is 500k USD in IIP-45-R, I'd leave it up to Labs to determine quantities and timings beyond that threshold. There won't be much point in trying to do buybacks until Fuel prices have dropped at least slightly below the rail, because the DAO buying Fuel off the DAO at the rail is circular. So setting parameters for quantities won't make much sense, it should just be "Buy all player-sold Fuel until either the revenue is gone or the Fuel is gone".
Is the Marketplace coming back? I think yes.
How is it implemented?
This is planned for a follow up patch update. The current implementation we have (that was developed some time ago) is still using fake player trading/data, but the intended behavior (for when it will be release), is to have real data with real players. (may still use a mix of real and fake data to balance things out)
How do power stations work? It seems broken in the game sometimes. Is it bugged or is there something players are missing?
We had some client side fixes regarding for the power stations since the SEPOLIA release -> should address the current issue reports. A power station should divide its power production equally to all the nearby structures.
When will blueprint minting be live?
This is also planned as a follow up patch update in the near future
Any additional Builders are plot based. But are lost when the plot is sold. ```
To be clear, the buyer won't receive additional builders either (except the default one builder)
```Do lands always come with in game buildings when purchased? How can a buyer know what buildings are on it before buying?```
- Lands by default don't come with structures in it, unless they are transferred plot with structures already in it.
- We don't have a mechanism right now to view other player's plots. It's however a planned feature. (It's yet to be scoped in detail)
```can fuel be transferred between plots? If so how?```
We don't have that mechanism yet. (Taken note of this question)
Is the Marketplace coming back? I think yes.
How is it implemented?
This is planned for a follow up patch update. The current implementation we have (that was developed some time ago) is still using fake player trading/data, but the intended behavior (for when it will be release), is to have real data with real players. (probably we will still use a mix of real and fake data to balance things out)
-How do power stations work? It seems broken in the game sometimes. Is it bugged or is there something players are missing?
We had some client side fixes regarding for the power stations since the SEPOLIA release-> should address the current issue reports. The power station divide its power production equally to all the nearby structures.
``` what will be available to buy on PC for ETH in the main net version? Can we buy builders for ETH? Can we buy credits for ETH? ```
Purchases on the PC build will not be possible at launch.
If there are other key questions that you'd like to see answer to let me know. I'll do what I can.
- "The more buildings are connected to (touching) the path network"
What does touching mean? 1 square of contact?
- Blueprint minting at Launch confirmed?
- would be nice to have time Parameters for fuel buybacks. For example is it immediately bought, or it gets stacked up and theres one Big buyback after a certain treshhold is Met, or whatever
Yes
Corner to corner is not connected.
Hello team, I just want to be reassured, is it normal that I don't see my Land in ILV zero?
Yes
Yes. No mainnet NFTs are visible in Testnet games.
ok great thanks cool for the confirmation
@potent dock any idea on buy backs. Were those tbd parameters gonna be from council?
No
Threshold is 500k USD in IIP-45-R, I'd leave it up to Labs to determine quantities and timings beyond that threshold. There won't be much point in trying to do buybacks until Fuel prices have dropped at least slightly below the rail, because the DAO buying Fuel off the DAO at the rail is circular. So setting parameters for quantities won't make much sense, it should just be "Buy all player-sold Fuel until either the revenue is gone or the Fuel is gone".
will T4 have access to 4 builders?
anyone knows what's the coin cost for having all workers?
and at least one land gets you incentives for airdrop...and look for land with as many elements (t1) and fuels (higher tiers) as converts appear to be less appealing in final version
you can alway buy fuel so no limitations, just incentives as shared above
for airdrop. blueprints, etc
do you own lands, do you think it's worth it?
yep, I own five and I think it's worth it, and they are at good value still. But you need to enjoy land building games to really make it worth it.
bought one early today lol
the floor is 483 now
looks like you only need one for incentives, tasks for airdrops
yep I paid 500 for one with each element
and if you are in to fuel and have some extra eth, tier 2 is better for fuel production
i think the airdrops/tasks can be done with erm a free account
that is a great question!
interesting, i though having many 1s is better than higher levels
@vivid cipher can you do tasks with the ftp plots?
for airdrops for open beta
that is what I did...different regions for different blueprints and fun to see all the different terrains
Maybe Jesse knows but I've heard no information on that front
well that is a heck of an incentive for everyone to play with some land for the next 6 months then
🙂
The incentive is for use of your own fuels ⛽️ or selling fuel on marketplace
And blueprints
which you can only do by owning land
As far as I know, the game is live in 4 days
A tier 1 land is achievable with some efforts....
Correct
My next goal is to get a tier 3 land
you can always put a bid in also..I've seen some go in the 300's in the last month
If I sell all my ones maybe I get close to a three but yeah those are sweet and with the fuel bonus
landmark also
Do you think we're going to end up regretting not testing IZ for bugs these past couple of months like we did OW??
I am not worried...may be delusional but my sense is we will have a working product, if not with all the bells and whistles
and understand why they didn't move all our land over to testnet
and we've been playing zero for a long time...OW they need to get right
but we shall see in mere hours
btw how do u manage 5 lands lol
lol have no life 😉
I actually enjoy it...after the first few days its just a few hours a day
Are the lands being transferred to Immutable Passport auto-magically?
how does the collecting work? Like is it hourly or what
It's not too hard to manage 5 lands. You normally do a task, then have to wait, so while you wait, go do tasks on other lands.
No, it is all on IMX i believe, not zekvm
I've been testing for a bit longer and gave all my input. The rest is up to the devs....my programing knowledge is limited but I sure hope this was enough....no one specially land owners want any more delays
yep, shorter times in beginning, and as you upgrade equipment, which I recommend longer run times with more output
Yeah I think I agree with you, but after a while it becomes too much
But beta required Passport account
You can link your external land wallet to IMX passport and it will read your assets
I have 8, and I have to shoot content for it at the same time, so don't remind me. 😆
i see, how long do you think, it takes to get to max level and how long would collection delay be then?
and they will eventually have the ability to farm out your land to others, but they have automated a lot of the collections which is nice
yeah like your stuff..glad you are back making it
I know of people who will want to manage people's land for a modest humble Income / cut of the loot
did they say that? it sounds like a rent system
lmao, i will sweep 5 lands if i can get this to happen lol, but i feel like the person i hire, will blame the bad lands I have lol and not work hard
yep, an outside vendor is working on it if I understood Kieran in a recent youtube interview recently
and yes lots of people would be interested in that
esp. if done by phone
Yeah, they still have to put the mechs in place for that though. I think by the time they do, we'll be at the point where we are working the land for 15 minutes a day or so. Now if I had a MegaCity.....
exactly...or if you are kieran and own 100 lands 😉
If you are by a computer all day it's sort of a nice break to check on the land and see what you got, what to upgrade and what to harvest (though more auto now)
and it is about 15 minutes
It's gonna be tough sledding for a couple weeks, but we've been ready for it.
well and it will be fun, at least for those of us that like building stuff..and we get paid for it finally 😉
I
wiped mine a few times to practice set up
and like that part
and remember, land should be sold as built up so as we build they will come eventually...and pay more for it 😉
is it okay if i add you
@rotund reef VP, any thoughts on this issue?
Based on the conversation I just read, I would completely agree with you assuming it's true. The whole "don't worry about it bro, the people who have all the privileged information won't have time to play much anyway" argument doesn't fly.
why is there more listings on https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/zero/land than on IMX marketplace, it has like 3-4 cheaper lands
nvm it must be bugged
As investors, we need fair disclosure on the math progression and asset mechanics. I do not understand why more landholders are OK with this. I would assume at least 5% of the plots are held by individuals with access to such info. I hope I can get a straight answer from the council before launch. @long tendon
Yes.
This is a helpful clarification for me at least.
Every time I try to open zero it tells me there is an update so I reinstall it and it does the same thing
- Is that pool shown publicly? available without knowledge how to track some specific wallets?
- What if the treshold is met far before we experience a discount in fuel price?
- Is it going to be announced when they hit the button and start buying fuel back of the market and burn it?
The only realistic thing, you can do is track team's holding and selling, and if any of it breaks any laws, especially if selling before or after an announcement
i wouldn't say "landholders are OK with this", most landholders either don't have time to follow discussions like that, have just faith in the team and are not critical or simply don't care too much upfront and rather rant afterwards.
At least that's my experience following all Zero chanels closely since 2 years and writing with some in dm's.
Also it's really not much you can do against that, lands can be on "family members" wallets, you don't know how spread the info's going to be etc. You just can't control nor check it.
I feel it's something we have to live with, i myself made peace with it long time ago tbh 🙂
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Yeah, it's public. It's not a special pool, it's 5% of Fuel spending. You'll be able to track total spending on Fuel on IMX and extrapolate. Probably not worth making a fancy UI for since it's a temporary measure until land's fuel prod catches up.
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You can't buy non-existent Fuel from players. Again, I'd leave it to Labs to dial in the details, but the thing that makes sense is to buy Fuel off the market in increments whenever there's player-produced Fuel going up for sale.
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There's no reason it couldn't be announced when the threshold gets hit, but the only things that are formalized are in IIP-45-R.
Perhaps Illivium doesn't care, it can freely create fuel and change whatever, but i gather overtime with proposals and more features built, that there would be a value system for land owners. Most players are capitalistics and fair game, so they will want land owner to be valuable. The only concern is whether if Illivum cares or listens to player's request and if they do a future sale of land NFTs
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i guess a fancy ui would be sweet, since it is a repeatable process even when fuel is ramped up. I guess it would be the same with promo disks or other stuff not sold in fuel.
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500K is not much, having in mind how much time land needs to sell fuel on a regular basis. (offer that discount) And would be nice to know for landowners to speculate and stop improving plots for a short time and start selling fuel, if it really is on a regular basis
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According to IIP-45-R there is no treshold to be met, it's an ongoing buyback, which would imply if the DAO needs to buy back, it would instantly buy every single fuel sold by a landowner, no?
@burnt viper @radiant sky just ask you join me in making it clear to the Council and Team we want full disclosure of the game mechanics for Zero Alpha on Mainnet. Supply us landholders with the same info that the Team has related to the game progression so we can make informed decisions on managing our land. This should be in the mutual interests of all for the ILV economy. @bitter glade we would invite your feedback.
- it's Weekend, i guess we will get info on that tomorrow when people are back at work.
- I was hoping on some Zero patchnotes in general beginning of next week, prior to launch. I guess they are still tweaking a lot behind the scenes and hope that was the reason for not getting any info on changes gathered in a blog or a piece of paper or whatever 🙂
Yeah you're correct, the 500k threshold was for before fuel production starts (which is no longer relevant). My mistake. To the best of my knowledge, there's no automated system in place currently, and it's impractical to have someone sitting there waiting to buy Fuel instantly 24/7. We'll talk it over tomorrow and see if there's a practical revision that can be made. That proposal was passed with a different vision for how launch would roll out, which has since changed. A likely solution would be to do a buyback weekly until an automated system can be implemented, but we'll see what the team thinks is feasible.
Ok, thanks appreciate it.
I have a feeling this is going to be a cluster fck of a launch
Can you obtain a ledger of how all of the assets progress in Zero for us? Input/Output, Energy Requirements, etc.
Ah, screw it. May as well happen now while nobody's making any money as opposed to later.
You're looking for a document that just says what every building in the game does, but instead of that information from in-game you want it in writing outside the game?
I want data that is found in @high sleet sheet he had to put hours into for us landholders for Alpha: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cEqGEkCtD4aNtjtbeZ_M7TBt7-fuFvKj18oIisyAVuQ/edit?gid=233452334#gid=233452334
We need the data to have a basis for managing our land towards optimal progression.
Spreadsheet you shared is private.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cEqGEkCtD4aNtjtbeZ_M7TBt7-fuFvKj18oIisyAVuQ/edit?usp=sharing
DASHBOARD
TIER,3,NEXUS,6,BUILDINGS,50 / 50
SILICON,CARBON,HYDROGEN
QTY,TOTAL,497,000,497,000,672,000
HYDROGEN MATTER SILO,1
CARBON MATTER SILO,1
SILICON MATTER SILO,1
BUILDING,QTY,EFFICIENCY
MINE,2,120%,576,000,0,0
SEDIMENT EXCAVATOR,2,120%,0,576,000,0
HYDROGEN PUMP,2,120%,0,0,576,000
SINGULARIT...
share it
But yeah all the numbers have changed now
so disregard everything
🤣
@high sleet I know. We need the Team to turn over that data to us.
Well I initially got that data from an individual that data mined the game
Not sure if thats still possible
Otherwise, the members of the Team with land have access to info giving them an asymmetric advantage over ever other landholder.
This will not age well with the community.
How much of an advantage is knowing the numbers?
Landholders need the input/output variables of the Zero moel
It will help you optimise build order?
Absolutely massive advantage.
Btw I finally bought lands @high sleet
Congrats knight, what did you choose?
3 elements, 4 crypto, 3 solon and 1 hyperion. 8 lands in total
I forgot everything about zero so need to start my knowledge again lol
So essentially you want a guide to optimise revenue, but produced by Illuvium Labs instead of by a community member?
If the concern is about Labs using information not available to the public to gain an advantage in gameplay, I think that's not very likely, but it's likely something we could address if it's a major concern for people. Like Perry said, there's a very small group of people who are involved in tuning the numbers. Plus optimizing and refining your land plot is a part of gameplay.
If this is a major concern, I'd be way more inclined to have some kind of buffer period or blackout where Labs employees with that kind of information to not play on launch (again, this is a small group of people) than I would be to have Labs publish a "This is the entire game, solved for you." document.
Am I correctly understanding the nature of your concern?
you can pull that data anytime of your own plot.
I would much rather prefer data like
- Building cost of all buildings each level
- Output of extractors and converters on each level
- How exactly pathing works and what's the max cap
- etc.
like on one hand actual patchnotes and on the other hand, data that should be available ingame anyways.
I have a beginner guide being edited as we speak
Not sure if gauntlet or zero guide drops first tbh
Might make a poll
Who are these small group of people? Do they even own lands and what are their expertise lmao
I remember having the same issues about Land owner in the Sandbox Metaverse Project, they hired someone who care more about Creators than Land owners
@radiant sky you know better than I. However, we need to be able to determine IFTTT level logic given disclosure on the weightings of the model for Zero. Otherwise, we are "managing" with no measurements.
No business would run that way
I thought he was referring to costs/output
If not then idk haha
Alright thanks. I think zero players are more incentived and be quick for a guide to max out
likely i don't 😄
According on the wording you use you know way better than i do 😂
But in @radiant sky we trust lol
"If This Then That" (IFTTT) is the short hand for the sequence of tactical steps one must choose to take to build out a Zero plot. If you are ignorant (without knowledge) to the variables of how the individual assets progress then obviously you are not going to fair to well. We need to know the input and output weightings for each of the assets that go into the lands.
yea, i googled it.
But if you use such fancy wordings just by the way i guess you studied something related to it... which i didn't 😄
So, obviously, its ideal that the information is shared publicly in a easy to consume way. I don't think asking for a csv file is the right way to do it as regular users won't even know what a csv file is.
Please note that us in Illuvidata has requested for this before but seeing as building apis isn't on the top of their list especially so close to launch. So we might get that information later on through api and 3rd party sites like ours will be able to present it easily for regular players.
So my take would be yes this should be available but is this a priority before launch? It's a want rather than a must have.
This is a huge disservice to landholders and an unfair advantage for any insiders with this information on launch. So much for "fair launch," and others in this feed see it similarly.
Insiders? Who would that be?
Whoever does have access to that information. So you probably can tell us.
I am not interested in labeling "insiders." I just wish the logic behind my request was given serious consideration and not dismissed.
I just want disclosure of the data in whatever format the DOA decides.
So the small group of people working on illuvium zero?
Also, I'm not dismissing your request. I agree with it. In an ideal situation. But same as with most businesses you have a priority of to do. Is giving this api on top of the 100s of others needed to be launch ready? Probably not.
You have people like scoriox, groups like illuvidata and illuvihub who has painstakingly gathered the data through playing. There are information out there.
POP QUESTION: Does anyone know if you can use silv2 or ILV to buy builders in Zero? 🙂
The idea is it would be in eth but I'm not against it being purchase in silv2 so that we have more sink to deplete silv2
Okay thanks. I wasn't sure. I was hoping it was in either. but thanks for the answer
can you link a source who has actually updated that data?
@undone skiff @shell phoenix tagging my neighbors in Crimson Waste 👋

I can only speak for illuvidata but we're still compiling it to the best of our abilities. But both hub and illuvidata have an izero database. You can't post links here but you can easily Google it
Getting verrrrry keen to permanently have Illuvium Zero open on my 2nd monitor 🤣
didn't find it on illuvidata, nor illuvihub
What exactly are you looking for? Cause the buildings and cost are in hub
that's old data out of alpha s1
and it's just cost, no production numbers nor mechanic explainings.
Well, I appreciate your prompt, candid feedback. Glad we want the same thing. My perspective is that the $72M+ capital structure of this DOA is the lowest priority. We are going into the core economic engine (Zero fuel) being managed by ignorant landholders...guess we will stumble our way into competency thanks to volunteer influencers like @high sleet
Can you confirm a few details? Will we be able to buy builders on PC via a crypto wallet? (as far as I know there was a line of text on the testnet version telling people to buy things in the ios/google play stores) Do we lose builders if we transfer our plots between accounts?
Yea was pleasantly surprised we can buy them with crypto 🙂
Yes, builders are lost on transfer
From the link, seems to me you want labs to just share everything about the game without playing it. Which is a bit odd for a gaming studio to do.
While buildings and cost is fine to share, I believe output is best to be discovered. That's part of allure of gaming discovering optimal ways to play.
I remember before the hack was to make lots of Converters just for the passive gains.
I may be old school thinking in this but I expected this info to come from the community rather than the developer
The issue is that other players in this game have that info. It has a potential cascading and compounding effect on the economy. I would venture to guess that 3-5% of the active plots managed day 1 are people working for people with this info at a minimum.
It's a temporary issue. Labs will be providing apis for all their game modes and expect sites like ours to be utilizing it to give the community the data and tools you need.
The issue here is getting the information out before launch or post launch. We will get that information regardless
Imo it's not fair at all.
Like those who got lucky with bugs have that info, some internal people or friends of them have that info, the early access testing team has that info, why the DAO can't make it public and give that info to the other landlords aswell?
if no one has that info beforehand, i'm fine with it. Worst case recycle half my plot and rebuild it, but everyone else have to do it aswell.
But that's not the case, there are entities with that info...
@amber atlas or @bitter glade can you give us some techinical insight? Is it really too much to ask for the variavle weightings of the zero model to be exported?
I mean this is not Civ 7 we are talking about.
You might be overreacting this a little bit. At most, it makes a few days difference, hardly too significant if you zoom out a little.
Yeah it took about a month to max a T1 at the most.
Wait am I crazy or did fuel harvesters like completely change a few days ago? Its a 4 hour harvest cycle now for example
yes they did
Every single time that happens its going to invalid every piece of data collected
I am not going to reset plots to re analyse
@mild ledge it will take approximately 60-120 days to reach in game at best depending on the Tier of the plot at best. Nobody will have true insight until then. Meanwhile you have the other unintending strategy impacts like the bounding curve for illuvials in OW, etc. Landholders might defer fueling OW runs to buildout land ignorantly. If you Game Theory this out with mulitple lands it can be very material.
A lot of this other stuff wont really bother me personally. But if there are large sweeping changes I would really love patch notes
I think with a Tier 4 u can gather all the data in about a week if u rush down the Nexus
@high sleet I feel for you. You have been such a Warrior to help this community. Going to like and share every YT post.
I am down in the shrimp and crab plots...
With speedups etc
Easily
U just need 1 lvl 9 element harvester/converter
and 1 lvl 6 fuel converter/harvester
no even with speedups you can't
I got pretty close on a T4 when there was 1 builder and no speedups :/ so idk
2 weeks at most
A public API needs to be maintained, it needs to be updated, it needs to be secured, it needs to be documented. Consider then there are thousands of these small requests. A complete set of public APIs for such data is on the roadmap, it is not as important as launching the game.
@amber atlas thanks! Respect your input and how you have helped championing zero over the last few years.
Yeah, I'm not saying it does not make a difference. I'm just saying that the small group of people who know this are the devs, and they will likely be busy as hell with bugs/balancing etc. after launch. I doubt they will be building game theory optimised plots at the same time, just to gain an advantage over you.
In the meantime we have made some data available in our own formats via git repo to partners. Zero data could be added here (not sure if it is or isn't right now). Its basically 'take it as it is'. It might be reasonable to make this widely accessible.
But that is really not my call any more.
without speedups?
you had 9 days purely nexus building time
Would really be nice if they could do an auto claim feature instead of us having to click or select it. They already have repeat why not just do auto claim so we don’t have to keep going back into the map when we’re not able to. That would really progress things
I'm 100% totally against that. If there's no need to click then why did we even build a game!
because it's not a passive stacking asset, it's a game
A key hook for these games is going in to interact with it.
OK, thanks
That lets you realise things are missing from your plot, or that you haven't taken advantage of a new feature, or whatever else it may be.
I know when it’s missing and it’s not. I don’t need to select something to understand that.
Can you make the request on our behalf or point me the right contact?
Probably just start with @whole spear, but realistically I don't think there will be any traction in the next 4 days, kinda big milestone coming up 😉
The other issue is if I leave the game open for a long period of time then for some reason gives me a network error and I lose all my work so that’s why I suggested it
Auto save feature would be great
Waste a lot of time with that unless they’re going to fix it
I mean that's just a bug, every single action you do is sent to server. It saves every step of the way.
I beleive they have got to the bottom of all those issues around this.
No, it doesn’t because I’ve lost a lot of levels in the last week almost 50 levels total
this is an afk game. You want most of it.. you need to connect well.. day 1 every minute but day 60 every 12 hours or so?
good example is now converters don't work as well but learned that from the community..thanks all..and those that do videos
The first 48-72 hours last reset were really busy, but slowed down a bit after that.
When you are online every action is sent to the server. It will bank up a little progress to handle outages (i.e. out of range on mobile), but other than that everything happens on server.
The fact that it is NOT acting like that is a bug. Its a major one, but looks to have a reasonably simple root cause and I believe it is fixed now (in dev not live).
How do we sell the fuel if it's not on the blockchain?
I don't handle balancing any more. Data and game design team will settle on the final values. 3 seems a bit low to me, but I've no info on what the number will be on mainnet launch (nor if that will stay that way or grow over time).
and is it going to be same as this beta (worker 2 120 credits ,.. like 6 bucks and worker 3 25 bucks?)
ok thanks
Kieran pointed out that the Zero devs will go on a "Holiday" soon after launch. I am not overly worried whoever is on the inside will outperform all of us anyway. I would just prefer not to prolong my 24-month average breakeven time on my capital.
I really can't help with game data, design, balance issues anymore. I know no more than you do on that front.
I can talk dreamily about new features that could be added... if that's any consolation...
50 months (June 2022 - August 2026) for 100% ROI on capital is not too impressive in crypto or in any startup
can´t believe you are not on the team anymore. Just went to the hypermarket here and there was this like 18 year old girl on the 55 counters... having a panic attack. I calmed her down and hold the line. but if this is what fucked you and me and so many others up... what world we live in. Illuvium is really giving me hope. But pèople are not.
Obviously this is massively influenced by how much money Illuvium makes. I don't think its the greatest target/metric to tout, given how sensitive it is to other parameters.
24 month figure came for the latest AMA Kieran quote and timeline. Not Financial Advice to anyone. This whole GameFi project could go to zero in 24 months easily.
I know, I'm saying I don't think its a great metric to tout (i.e. by Kieran).
I might be mistaken here but I just heard Kieran say the team aims for 100% roi in 2 years. on land
@amber atlas would you assign any reasonable earnings figure to a T3 optimized over 12 months. Like a bear, expect, and bull figure? Or common sense guess?
low, mid, or high figure is what I am asking
The only equation you can do is take the 5% of revenue, divide by productivity of each plot, make some assumptions about how productive people are on average vs how productive you are.
look at land prices since ama..up $100 on the low end...tells you that people like what they heard, and I agree 🙂
and ready to launch
❤️
Global Liquidity and M2 are finally ticking up for the first time since 2021. This is my number one factor as it relates to the speculative world of crypto. I think if we are going to make a run it will be in the next 10 months.
Fed cutting soon makes sense, eth etf, etc
I'm banking on July cut, but September at the latest.
I pretty much bet my life on that in 2025 (not really) there will be a 2nd land sale. If that happens and it is anywhere near the last one, it would mean 12$ per ilv. Ok this is not a speculation room but the land would make a lot of this as well
I wish we could get an IIP for no landsale until at least 12 months post July 25th.
I think that is safe
We need a Landholder lobbiest that can push some bills through for us.
and you got wave 3 of beyond which generates a lot in sept.
I don´t think there will be one that soon and even if, until they reach max it will take time
Thank you!
yeah, I don.t know about that. Had a lot of ilv staked, and ... oh just remembered that didn´t go to holders. ok, so maybe yes!
What do you mean with Bills?
no man. that is not how they operate
Bills = IIPs
yep we filled up the emergency reserve..almost 5 million
from beyond sales
Seriously, Landholders need a good spokesperson and lobbiest for our interests.
Lanholders don't even care for fuel Parameters right now.
Tried to Make an IIP about landsale, landholders prefered to rather not speak about it
Just wait till they start charging us for utilities….
I saw it and respect it.
Well the fuel is the most crucial anyways. Which only needs Nexus VI
Landholders will care really soon when ETH starts to hit the first wallets. We are all in such a apathetic disbelief right now.
And u can get Nexus VI in like 2 days
Agreed...we better have a coalition formed prior to the mandate coming down from on high.
What is going to happen when those DOA shitcoins start to unlock?
quantum fabricant is another 70h then you need engineering workshop, fuel extractor itself, the 1.5 day to get your first fuel.
like no way mate 😄
Speedups were a lot more powerful previously
move to emirates
@high sleet your the man, but my experience aligns with @radiant sky
I guess altho possible it'd be outrageously expensive now
you said you did it without speedups 😄
Well u had free speedups
and even with, you got many, but not that manyx
But I mispoke yes
I guess we will see if someone gets a lvl 6 fuel harvester quickly or not
I reckon some will
Not necessarily $1 for 1 hour speed up or $1 for 60 1 minute speed ups or $1 for 600 10s speedups. Cost is the same. (not real values, just making point)
Its not 1 hour anymore
Ive had 10 min speedups take 2
I've updated with FAQ with additional questions and dev responses.
Is there a list anywhere of what the different tiers produce for fuel, once maxed out?
I'm saying cost and speed up value are not related. What matters is the price per time unit.
Of course but it seems like $20+ for like a 24 hour speedup as far as I can tell
A lower speed up value doesn't necccessarily increase the cost. I imagine its more a marketing decision, it feels better to get 100 things than 10 things, even if their effect is the same.
Which is not to say costs won't go up (or down).
Again not my call any more 😉
I don't know how much we can read in to that pricing. It may change for OB.
For me personally I will get max workers right away but I will not pay speed ups. I don´t care about being the first that much. But the advantage with 3 workers will be noticable and pay off (especially on t3/t4)
Its changing a lot already so its not really worth discussing I agree
and I don´t get why blueprints will now take so long to implement... that was the first thing that actually worked quite well in zero. So with that in mind.. fuel fuel fuel.
3 workers is a must
I don.t know if they copied the mavia model but in the end if you buy the most speed ups relativaly it will cost less. So yeah. 100$ a plot for best results
open since 7 days (which is like half the time it can be up)
5 upvotes 1 downvote so far... 5 of those 6 votes are council
that's how good you bring an iip through which includes landholders, without shit hitting the fan 😄
I don't think it is 'this will take so long' rather than we can't fit everything, what makes the most sense to delay. Unless something changed recently you should be able to collect blueprints without minting them, so this feature was something that made sense.
Part of it also probably just the team on Zero are not familiar with how IMX minting works in our stack. It should be a simple change so I imagine after they have their post release break they should be able to knock it out pretty quick. 🤞
dr. spoon. You have been examplary as a community member. Nothing you ever said was NOT alligned with what most of us thought. So count on my vote pretty much always. Sorry... have been away... family over here with brats... be happy if they don´t wipe my pc...
@radiant sky its humbling. So much for "decentralized governance" theory. I nominate you as the Zero Ambassador and pledge my one vote for any IIP going forward. I will serve as a surrogate whip to find us some more votes.
That would be fantastic. And on that note... I am one of those that never return to social media much once product is launched but I am happy to see after not being part of the active team you still are here. Really appreciate all you did-
Totally understand that, thats the case with many people i guess 🙂
Just wanted to bring in some Relation... It's easely said, and an IIP is written pretty fast. But getting Support and putting it through the council we have is something completely different
just give me a dm next time. And not the 100 fake dr spoons
I think it might be worth adjusting the IIP to specifically add mechanisms (a voting mechanism not a technical one) to account for miscalculations. In the Fuel Exchange requirements there was a note that there may be a need to change rail prices quite quickly in the early days of launch (so it should be easy to do technically). We don't want to majorly derail things due to one miscalculation.
and you will have my vote
There are fake spoons?
I got replies from fake devs and community members the moment I asked anything
Everybody lets throw @radiant sky a thumbs up on the IIP. @radiant sky can you drop us a URL so nobody gets confused? Lets KISS = Keep It Stupid Simple
Its not the Dr Spoon that bends, it is only yourself!
Not my iip
Can you help us write a few IIPs? I got a few on my mind as you can imagine.
And people should actually read it and not blindly vote for iips depending on who wrote it 😄
There's 5 people getting paid for that, but if they don't wana help i can do it for sure if it's reasonable
Well, my first IIP is to make @radiant sky the Zero Czar. And my first order of business to bring before the Czar is to put those 5 people getting paid to work.
Dont put words in my mouth
ok so you had a vote of confidence and now you don´t. Good going mate. I´ll read through it next time when I can 😝
So we can find blueprints day 1 but can't mint them yet is that correct
though take you more than a week to get to the point of having them
dependind on your land
Yeah I know that just used day 1 because it's the start
If you'd like me to help you write an IIP I'd be more than happy to, but you are welcome to ask others as well of course
Alrighty folks I need to bounce. Ciao!
ciao bella
bello? 🤷♂️
he's putting words in your mouth 😉
@amber atlas cheers!
👋
from the inside
Also @radiant sky You'll notice I never upvoted the fuel proposal. It feels super empty to me. 'at the current parameters' seems super silly to me, even if thats the case, it needs to state what those parameters are, in 2 years this proposal will be meaningless to reference
Its like saying, we are setting fuel at the height of a plane currently flying over the atlantic
Like wtf that even mean 🤣
land is boring no longer..nor it's discord 😉
Are the converters in the correct version even giving passive fuel been like 2 days since I have gotten any from them
@high sleet deal, your the man. Do you suggest we build our IIPs from Google Drive following a template format from the previous submissions?
ok see. that is what I want. spoon and scoriox sparring and whatever they come to an agreement of seems like a reasonable solution. Not every player or investor can be bothered with this shit
@radiant sky I want you as a "co-sponsor of our bills" (IIPs)
Generally speaking, I will add u as a friend
You have 2 options, you can explain the IIP to me in msgs, I can ask questions, get an understanding and then write
I didn't.
Your mouth out of reach anyways 🙃
or u can write and I can comment and adjust it based on more formatting and grammatical issues
I partially misread your message, but that doesnt mean it didnt have malice. U could have tagged Community Council if you had honest intentions, but you chose not to in an effort to bait them, its disrespectful
Why no comment?
The proposal feels empty, I dont even know what I'd comment
'why is this proposal nothingness'
Idk... What is missing, what you Like to See it, anything?
Or just ...
What does 'my mouth out of reach' mean?
Feels like the moment has passed tbh
You too far away... Can't spoon feed you 🤪
Maybe I will
Because I live in Australia?
Ok
Let's start with option #2, which hopefully saves you some precious time.
Well you can just start a google doc and write whatever and I can help format
You can use an existing doc as a basis but ill shoot u a message with a general guideline
very good
someone else having problem with iphone app??
What?
I just offered him my help if council doesn't.
You will know when i get disrespectful 😄
Anyways 3 am... Off to bed
gn
Is anyone else converters not doing passive gathering
Guess everyone went to bed
how do you start power so that you may exxtract.... it says no power...
Yeah woke up with nothing to collect on my converters, just report the bug in game
whats the price range for a t4,t2,t1,t1 mega city?
so many deleted messages 🤔
you need to build power stations
place them around the building
Which building... extractor? this is new ..not previously...
yes, older version didn't require power to work.. all functional buildings require power now, you'll need to put power stations beside them
even nexus and workshop?
Thanks
have fun
Is there a mechanism to buy a group of land rahter than 1 at a time on Illuvadex or Treasure Trove?
not that i'm aware of
Can you offer to buy more that i at a time so they aren't taken form you after you buy something?
I reported it myself too
how come when i try to download illuvium zero it says this version of the game is obsolete
hey guys, new here to illuvium although i've heard of the project awhile back. Just wanted to ask, as a f2p player, is there any earning opportunities for zero? I like the genre of this game (city-building sim), but i'm not really sure what i'm doing aside from upgrading and building stuff haha
does anyone know?
Yes. There's an announcement with the appropriate links. Hang on. I'll find it a pin it.
Gotta ban a scammer first.
ok lol
Testnet downloads for ZERO posted in #📣〕announcements message
omg thx
Hopefully you don't need the android build... It's full
Last I checked
nah im good im on windows
Nice
there will be a play for airdrop by doing daily quests if that's your thing, other than that, you can't really earn with the f2p plot
ah I see! thanks for the clarification! 🙏
wait why in the beta did i have like almost double the resources
@vivid cipher just went to convert to Hyperion and its doing a 1:1
Looks like maybe the landmark affects it now
Game crashes on plot loading. I’ve sent a report on the iOS app
does building not progress in the background..? only works if the game is open on iphone?
So, it's generally a good idea to bring up an idea in #1020759212172775464 that way if it has traction and generally threshed out it can easily be translated to an IIP. While community council does a great job in assisting on the drafting it's not necessarily exclusive. Meaning you can reach out to other council members or other DAO members.
I have written, consulted, and helped revised multiple proposals. I usually don't advertise this but my dms are always open for any consultation on most matters.
That's good how about we get the passive from converters working
I think I posted some things in that feedback section. But then a minute later, I had a better idea and wasn't allowed to post that one instead.
Orly?
Seems that way
Yeah so I can tell theres something weird with them but I cant quite figure out what
u can force quit the app then reopen, its pre annoying
I see u lurking
mainnet land is not used in the testnet game. Everyone gets the same f2p plot
Yeah think what ever they did to converters has messed them up
What level convertor?
how do you delete paths on mobile?
There’s two buttons at the bottom when building paths. A + and a -
4 but there is no passive fuel coming
Make a bug report so they can fix it before launch
does it have enough power?
Shouldn't 200 buildings on a path be 21% speed bonus?
Don't you need Illuvials to craft skins?
When will the holographic statue be back and will it have any added utility?
Thanks for these!!
Hey, just want to make sure you didn't answer the wrong question here! You're sure we can buy credits for Illuvium Zero with ETH? I assume this needs to be through the epic game store version? Android and iOS will require fiat/cc right?
I've been putting out some new Illuvium Zero videos if you're interested, could start here! #🎨〕community-content message Also have a new beginner's guide posted.
That was the initial plan. If this has to be changed to fiat due to play store and app store restrictions I'm not privy to it. Maybe we can tag someone from Labs working on Zero for this.
Sounds good, just hard to tell in the current testnet build with buying credits disabled, but it appears to not be available at all on PC.
helllo good morning...anyone has an answer here for me?
Hey! This is correct, the power station level does not improve efficiency, it only increases power output. You need a bunch of power stations to max out efficiency.
Of course it has enough power
Devs said what the said about the paths bonus. 20% max
Credits are not available for purchase on pc.
thank you!
and how do you increase your structure limit?
Upgrade your nexus.
I’m definitely buy credits on day one a $20 pack for 350 can help get me 3 builders from the start will be amazing, doing one thing at a time is annoying
Hi i installed the Illuvium Zero for IOS. after i log in. I cannot see the plot of land i own. Is it normal?
Do we need to wait until official launch in order to see the land?
Yes, it's normal...this is a Testnet version in Sepolia Network....your land is on IMX....you will be able to play yours on the 25th when we go Main Net
Game Launch (Download + Cinematic + Tutorial): July 25th, 18:00-20:00 UTC
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Will the new version of zero paid land be on the App Store aswell?
yeah that is what I felt. Thanks!
Why do I keep getting Network errors when I try build something in Illuvium Zero?
yep!
Sounds like a credential issue. Restarting has fixed it for me before.
It will be different to the free to play version?
There will be a new build for release. F2P should be the same installation as T1-4
Ok thanks.
I will wait to download onto my new tablet then.
I have reinstalled twice.