🎮〕illuvium-zero

[mortal smelt]

but with everything i like accountability

[hollow shoal]

Now if we become millionaires. I don’t think anyone will be complaining haha

[mortal smelt]

yeah no if i think like that I will be even more upset should it not happen

[hollow shoal]

Too true

[mortal smelt]

I saw potential and also the words that were spoken

the words got taken longer than expected and that is ok and warranted

but the way some of the people who were reacting to the people complaining in the zero chat with the loyalty rewards just to appease them is what i find extremely wrong

they (team members) didn't have to say that or mention that all but they did

if I am in the wrong please someone let me know where I am wrong.

if anyone knew the calculations to the rewards for holding and play testing while paying for it im sure they would have opted out until the release

im sorry to say but out of all illuvium games zero is starting in a sad state, the least that could have been done was let land owners build up before release

after looking at these pitiful rewards

or let the land owners know what the team plans to do to compensate for the time lost ahead of time.

these people deserve to know what is going on

[polar cosmos]

how many ILV did you get from loyalty drop? and how much did you have at snapshot date?

[mortal smelt]

.53

doesn't matter how much i had staked, i did ILV/ETH and ILV but unstaked probably before the snapshot

i staked for 2 years but its the snapshot that counts right? then why not consider land owners as staked assets?

but i digress

it was all up to the person to invest

i know i know

the dream was bigger than the story

from the way they mentioned everything it seemed they would take a estimate of. everything, but its based on snapshots

clarity would have cleared alot of my frustrations up

having invested 3 ETH into staking would have yielded more better results

[polar cosmos]

I have 4.77 ILV as a loyalty reward for:

4xT1 & 2xT2 lands bought from the presale auction, i bought them for 4 eth and i still have them today.

I have staking about 400 ILV from 3 years and 6.6 SLP from 3 years to this day.

Its about 50k$ staked at the day of snapshot and about 15k$ spend on lands.

+3 years of holding i supporting (illuvitars etc.)

4.77 is 386$, so 386$\65k$ its about 0.07% reward....

NICE ILLUVIUM

[mortal smelt]

nice play ser

[noble crag]

4,77 is unlocked now or total after vesting?

[polar cosmos]

total xD

[noble crag]

I have 1.86ILV total for 1 T2 land that I bought from market for 1ETH a year ago or something. some illuvitars as well

[neat plover]

I got the same and have never sold a single ilv

staked a decent chunk too

stakers didnt get shit

it was all on other stuff

which is fine because we got rewards

[noble crag]

yeah, stacking seems to be kind of rewarded on itself, that's why they didn't count it probably

[neat plover]

would of been nice to reward those who havent sold

but yeah I get it

[nova epoch]

damn

[mortal smelt]

crazy how they think of loyalty...

could be the VCs

but damn i never seen such atrocsity in Web3

unless you are just buying pure art

[polar cosmos]

tbh? I felt very underestimated and this is another step towards leaving this ship, I lack faith and strength in this team. Since they cannot properly reward real supporters.

$380? after all, its like my staking value changes every hour xD

[mortal smelt]

I hate the dangling carrot, and totally feel you

[lost walrus]

Can't check now but how much did we get for a tier 1 land?

[paper lance]

joke airdrop lol

[paper lance]

definitely less than 1 ilv.

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/here-ein-euro-ein-euro-egoist-one-euro-gif-21607656

[hearty cradle]

soo

how ru guys feeling today

[mortal smelt]

loyalty airdrop > late opening

[upbeat drift]

ilv zero will be live in july?to play on real money?

[mortal smelt]

i swear man no wonder the CTO left

he knew this was coming

[idle basin]

illuvium中文交流群
V：moxiaolu1006

[hearty cradle]

thats pretty low tbh

[mortal smelt]

jag as ICC stop playing good cop bad cop

[hearty cradle]

wdym

[polar cosmos]

people saying about 0.77ILV

[polar cosmos]

its lower than i paid gas fee when buying ILV on balancer presale xD

[hearty cradle]

im asking the team how they calculate the airdrop

[polar cosmos]

they dont have claculator

[hearty cradle]

i got the answer and just asking their permission to share

[mortal smelt]

with snapshots and whatnot just give straight facts man

think land owners are pretty tired of the hype and carrot dangling

[polar cosmos]

yes, i am

[hearty cradle]

there are 4 criterias

[mortal smelt]

so im involved in everything, what are the numbers

[hearty cradle]

im asking the team

[mortal smelt]

is there cutoff dates?

[hearty cradle]

yes

[hearty cradle]

wdym by this lol

[mortal smelt]

that is sad that you have to ask being on ICC

[mortal smelt]

you know what i mean

[hearty cradle]

most of the time we know as much as u do lol

[mortal smelt]

so much for the DAO

[hearty cradle]

sometimes i dont get answers

and have to ask few times

[mortal smelt]

essentially its not a DAO, but like a sister company

[hearty cradle]

lol

[hearty cradle]

would u request for them to disclose the calculation?

im curious too

[polar cosmos]

they dont listen anybody

[mortal smelt]

I couldn't even get the numbers for beta, and he just quit

[hearty cradle]

well i can try

if the community want

[mortal smelt]

althought everyone got in after i posed the question

[hearty cradle]

what is this about

[upbeat drift]

wo when is ilv zero live to play on real money?

[mortal smelt]

i thought Illuvium was all about transparency

[hearty cradle]

so how much people get from holding a T1?

[mortal smelt]

if its on blockchain all they have to do is just give the percentages

its not hard for people to figure out on their OWN how much they are to get and match it up

how many channels do you have to go through to find out something so simple?

[mortal smelt]

beats me I held T2s

[sour cypress]

Sorry if this has been answered.
Will all the lands be re-set after the 25th July?
If so and we rebuild will they be able to be sold at the level we build them to or sold at lvl 0?

[reef vapor]

wait what?

theres an airdrop happening?

can landowners allso partaker ? or do u hv to have staked ?

[quick pivot]

Yes, also for land holders. Check out the announcement channel

[high sleet]

I believe the buildings will be sold with the land. However biodata wont be.

But this is not fully known yet.

Also yes it'll be reset

[sour cypress]

Thank you. Will be sad to see it all go 😥

[reef vapor]

thanks man

[mortal smelt]

Who was the first one to say anything about rewards? What caused this? What happened to all the marketing money spent that went nowhere and had to outsource to more infulencers? but magic beans right?

you disappoint me in this response, I don't know if it is because of age but there is a lot of growing up to do especially if you are in ICC.

if you wanna get down to it lets get a real description of operating costs to the penny

will it happen?

what is the overhead? what costs are available to be cut?

X dollars they can spend, but its for them to know and us to never find out? but you want to taunt people because it is what it is?

please make it make sense

[winter crow]

@amber atlas 0.08; 0.15 after vesting period.

[feral heart]

1 tier 3 land
3 tier 1 lands
Several assets on beyond
Played zero a lot
Staked ilv

.20 reward

All of this before snapshot

🐂 💩

[high sleet]

I am clueless both about marketing money and outsourcing influencers, could you elaborate?

[mortal smelt]

is there a marketing budget?

[high sleet]

Barely lol

So far marketing has really only been spent on the cinematic trailer

And I guess the partnership d1sks count, but that was more of a profit split, so not really spend

[compact nebula]

Sry nub question. Does playing IZ now qualify for tester airdrops in future?

[high sleet]

yes, playtime is counted

[compact nebula]

Thanks!

[mortal smelt]

so im assuming paying influencers in ILV is not marketing

[hearty cradle]

rip

[mortal smelt]

or my bad, content creators

[high sleet]

Well they could spend the entire in-game rewards pool, but the sell pressure on the token would basically send the DAO to 0. Including the distributed tokens. I am not sure what you believe people are entitled to? The loyalty airdrop is a gift

[high sleet]

It is marketing yes. And its a very small spend

But its expanding reach significantly

I am unsure how this is related to the loyalty airdrop

[mortal smelt]

then label it as such, loyalty airdrop is far from a "gift"

[high sleet]

Why would u say its not a gift? Its literally free money

[hearty cradle]

damn thats rough.
lets say 50K divided by 4 is 12.5K.
then divided by 20k plot is 0.6
u should get more lol

[mortal smelt]

my investment is free money too if you look at it that way

totally free money

actually i paid the expense costs

[hearty cradle]

i think what people are saying that holding assets should be valued more

[rich bloom]

did illuvium land owners got any airdrop?

[high sleet]

Lets say you invested $1m. And then Illuvium gave you $1m as an airdrop. Then the DAO would be bankrupt

[rich bloom]

is illuvium land of any value? my floor is much less than what i bought it for 😦

[mortal smelt]

you must be talking about something else cause im not talking about the airdrop allocation

[high sleet]

Also lets say the DAO never did any influencer marketing via the creator program and then used all those funds to add to the loyalty airdrop.

Say 16 weeks of 100 ILV. That would be a 3% boost to your current rewards

[hearty cradle]

iluvidex traders should have the lowest allocation imo

much lower

[high sleet]

Unfortunately as per my new rule I need to block u now, is there anything you would like to say before I do

[mortal smelt]

its ok i got to block you too, but thank you

[high sleet]

No problemo, good chat

[hearty cradle]

traders are rewarded by profit
stakers rewarded by yield
beyonders rewarded by leaderboard
landholders rewarded by....

[rich bloom]

no reward for landholders? 😦

[hearty cradle]

there is

[rich bloom]

where can i claim it?

[hearty cradle]

just saying landholders should get highest allocation

[mortal smelt]

the context in how the loyalty airdrop was announced is what is bothering me and I keep saying it but some people are so full of themselves they cannot see the real question.

[rich bloom]

but did they got any allocation?

[hearty cradle]

yes

[rich bloom]

where can i find my allocation?

[hearty cradle]

announcement

[mortal smelt]

land is a fail

[dreamy cipher]

damn my friend got 0.26 ilv for holding land since mint

thath is rough

[rich bloom]

thanks. why land prices never increased

they decreased though 😦

[dreamy cipher]

i feel bad for him

[mortal smelt]

delay, weak airdrop, taunting can we get bashed anymore?

[high sleet]

Now I am curious, I love nuanced discussion. What context do you have concerns with?

[hearty cradle]

idk do see people happy about their land?

FP is a reflection on sentiment

[rich bloom]

fair price?

[compact nebula]

Following land since 2021

[hearty cradle]

Floor price

[rich bloom]

lol, i got like 0.5 ILV. I have land since first mint 😦

if i have to sell my land today, are there any land buyers?

is there any demand to buy land?

[high sleet]

More volume than any other Illuvium collection, so by comparison, yes? In general, idk tbh

[rich bloom]

cool, illuvium is still named as one of the AAA games by everyone but i feel demand is too less

[feral heart]

1 tier 3 land
3 tier 1 lands
Several assets on beyond
Played zero a lot
Staked ilv

.20 reward

All of this before snapshot

🐂 💩

[hidden pagoda]

@vivid cipherCan I get airdrop points from F2P land?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. It’s based on time playing the game.

[high sleet]

Not really utility yet. The true test is when the game launches and you can acquire fuel etc.

[radiant sky]

Lol

[mortal smelt]

I just want to know is the delay going to be justified by equivalent to the fuel crates and air drop? Or land owners just going to be given the short end of the stick?

if no delay then there are no questions

[high sleet]

The previous IIP said Illuvium Zero will launch with the other games. There will be another fuel crate airdrop. But this airdrop was for all holders of everything basically, so its hard to lump this in as Illuvium Zero compensation, but I know many see it as a part of that

If there is an IIP I suspect there might even be a third crate airdrop

[rich bloom]

when is the launch?

[high sleet]

July 25

[rich bloom]

iniitally while land was being sold i heard we can rent land to other to play. is that true?

@high sleet saw you are going live in 30 mins 😄 see you ^^

[high sleet]

I have been slowly listening to the AMA, Kieran confirmed a third party is working on a rental system. But we dont know anything else

[high sleet]

Dinner just arrived, hopefully I am not late 🤣

[rare stream]

hi, how much did you get for the land? is it normal to get 1.5 ilv for 3 t3 land? 🙂

[cerulean field]

you recently have those?

[radiant sky]

Just wanted to say, before more landowners start coming in this chat and rant about the low reward.
This was not an airdrop for landowners, this was an airdrop for all participants in the illuvium ecosystem.

If you do/did some simple maths, you could have known roughly what to expect from the drop.

If we just take for example and simplicity, that you are a landwoner of 1 T1 land, everyone bought at dutch auction and hold their lands.
You have 1/4 for land owners of the total drop which equals 12.5k ILV.
If you weight the tiers by their start selling price (1:3:10:40) and multiply it buy the number of lands existing, you get 1/82705 of that 12.5k which is arround 0.15 ILV.

Now if you didn't buy at dutch auction it lowers your share, depending on the weighting they did for x amount of days hold.
If IZ allocation was lower than 1/4 of the total pool, it lowers the share.
If you made a lucky grab and bought lower than the average buyer, it lowers the share.

[polar cosmos]

@hearty cradle my friend got 3.66 ILV, but he only has 100 ILV in staking, without lands and without liquidity...

do you know more about points system...?

[radiant sky]

he never participated in any of the other airdrop relevant systems?
Just staked 100ilv and that was all he did?

[tall crypt]

It's correct. You dont bought lands in june 2022.

[solemn pebble]

Arn't you on the council?

[tall crypt]

8 ILV for this activity

[solemn pebble]

wasn't there meant to be the project management tracking for the whole project so everything was transparent, explicitly stated and then retracted because... ?

[polar cosmos]

hahahah, i feel you...

[tall crypt]

waiting3 or 12 mounths I will take double 16 ILV, if ILV arrive to 300 will be 4800$

[polar cosmos]

yes, maybe

[hearty cradle]

what if minting is considered trading?
and holding is separate?
my wallet that minted and sold still got airdrop

[radiant sky]

it's a simple calculation based if you just bought 1 land and hold, so you could have estimated what you will get.
Sure you can blow up and consider everything, but ain't nobody got time for that.
Just ask them the calcs they did...

[hearty cradle]

no, but im asking rich

[solemn pebble]

maybe go check out wilder world land, they have an drop if you hold other NFT's from the project, the land also will have in bedded Wilder tokens to the land NFT as to set a floor, also actually has utility. i dont hold hopes for ever getting money back from the illuvium land unfortunately

[hearty cradle]

maybe?

[solemn pebble]

Haha, yeah definitely.

A lot of trade secrets around here for and open and De centralised crypto project

[hearty cradle]

wow. trading was the alpha

[radiant sky]

looks like

[hearty cradle]

maybe because less people doing it

[radiant sky]

very likely

[teal mural]

Hey landowners let’s not overreact. We will make out good soon. Don’t make irrational moves off of emotions. Free is free and we can earn more with the play airdrop

I got 4.5 ilv but I bought 8 plots of land. I grab one 3T during the mint and brought 7 more plot later. Spent like 1,300 on disk

[radiant sky]

interesting.
You mind to reveal what the other tiers are you are holding and if you bought them way later than landsale?

[vivid cipher]

From what I can tell tier of land was not considered in the calculation

[radiant sky]

yea most likely, but it gives a rough estimation of paid prices

[vivid cipher]

Yeah true

[radiant sky]

cause when reading that and comparing it to mine... the weight of time held for land was pretty low.

[teal mural]

1-3T 4-2T 3-1T and all over a year

it would make sense if they gave a little extra to the people that brought mega disc during the first drop because they personally didn’t get the best deal. I spend over 1k on them and would have done much better getting regular disk or buy mega disk on the other drops which was much cheaper

[teal mural]

How much land do you own if you don’t mind me asking

[radiant sky]

16

[teal mural]

You got more then 5ilv rite?

[radiant sky]

yea i did

don't get me wrong, i didn't expect much of this drop, just curious how it all got calculated 🙂

[teal mural]

Imma check my other wallet later cuz I moved I’m thinking I got .5ilv in each

Yeah same here I’m happy with what I got free is free

[coral drum]

hi, i own a land and i didnt get any reward is that right?

[teal mural]

Did you own it before 4/14?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-absolutely-definitely-agree-gif-8251967

[hearty cradle]

yea lets not complain about free money (if u get more than gas)

[polar cosmos]

lol wtf...

i have 6 lands, more than 50k$ in staking and get only 4.77 xDxD

[polar cosmos]

fuck me

[upbeat drift]

land holders shouldn t get some bonus?as far as i remember...?not the airdrop for everybody or the blueprints.something else too?some fuel or something ?

[humble arrow]

why no rewards if i have x5 lands?

[mortal smelt]

the amount is not important to me it was the leadup to land owners after the fuel crates were sent out and had complaints.

[upbeat drift]

so we got fuel crates if we have land?

they are directly sent to wallet?

[random siren]

yes

[upbeat drift]

and we can open them before the launch:?

or we already can see inside of them?

[lost walrus]

2 tier 1 and some small amount in disks

[opal thistle]

You can open them at launch if I'm not mistaken....let me double check that

[autumn elbow]

Someone sell there land ?

[spiral tangle]

Anyone know if the F2P plots count towards the playtime airdrop?

I have a better question, can anyone see this message? Seems like either people can't see my messages or they REALLY don't want to answer my previous question as I've asked it 3 times with no response each time. Yes, it's only been 10 minutes this time but with how fast people normally respond in here I assume it will go unanswered again.

[pine spire]

Yeah i can see it, but idk the answer

[mortal mural]

im just happy i got free ILV lol. i aint touching it either until i can claime the full value.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[gentle grove]

But what I u claim it now u might lose 20 dollar at most

[mortal mural]

just gonna leave it there staking as ILV prolly

[feral ginkgo]

@opal thistle @vivid cipher question if playing in zero there is a different pointing system ? Or just the play time and will add to the point total in overall , like your point in overworld

[opal thistle]

It is a diferent point system, you get 100/h for Test Net Game and another separate 100/h for Illuvium Zero

[gilded heart]

do you only get fuel from illuvium zero or do you get other resources that can convert to overworld?

[vivid cipher]

You get it from playing illuvium zero or from buying it using eth (like how it works on testnet currently). The idea is that MOST fuel (95%) will be purchased using eth.

[sage kettle]

hey guys, how to play illuvium zero without land? can i buy it for testnet eth?

[teal mural]

I also been staking since the beginning and trading and active with voting

[feral ginkgo]

about the capture their a goal need to complete is there like that in zero or jsut the playtime??

[opal thistle]

Only playtime Airdrop points for IZ

[feral ginkgo]

Thanks bro and there gas fee if I transfer land??

[opal thistle]

No, Land is on IMX no gas fees there

[vapid jolt]

gm guys - trying to understand rewards in Zero (pls correct me if I'm wrong):

• When playing Zero you earn points just from playing the game (similar to other Illuvium games like Overworld)
• When playing Zero you also earn Fuel, which later can be sold
• As a land owner/holder you are also eligible to certain airdrops

Is there anything else I am missing, ty in advance!

[golden spoke]

Sorry man, I can't see your message.

[gentle grove]

They need to add bonus points for the airdrop to zero and not just overworld

[gentle grove]

The second point doesn't start til after launch

[sudden zinc]

GM! Short one, I can wait to claim all my Holder Rewards in one shot on September 10, correct? No need already to claim something now...?! Thanks.. How long after vesting is over can the Rewards be claimed? Thanks!

[broken roost]

What message?

[reef jasper]

Wen message?

[opal thistle]

If you mean the loyalty rewards, you can claim now but pay a 50% penalty or wait the 90 days and get the full reward. You have 12 months to withdraw after vesting period is over

[sudden zinc]

TOP! So I will definetly wait.. as also further Rewards for playing ZERO will be added..:o)))

I am playing every day....:o)) Did not reset, simply played further, which was ok, right?

[opal thistle]

Absolutely, as long as there is activity you are good 👍

[vapid jolt]

got it, appreciate it. So there are currently no rewards for users playing Zero? You buy a land to able to play it in beta (before mainnet launch), but besides that, there are no rewards?

Could someone pls confirm that there are currently no rewards for users playing Zero?

[opal thistle]

If you mean Airdrop rewards, IZ players get playtime points just like the Test Net games 100/h

[feral ginkgo]

Thanks bro

[feral ginkgo]

@opal thistle there no afk filtering on zero right??

[opal thistle]

Yes there is

[feral ginkgo]

Thanks

[sacred shore]

anyone can play zero and earn reards?

[grave island]

only those who have a land.

[eager elk]

what are the next steps for Ilv zero and when should we start expecting a ROI

[wheat robin]

i assume roi starts july 25

[eager elk]

We need some details about this. I have an investor with me that I need to update on our business plan for the lands

[nova epoch]

Is there a breakdown of how Illuvium Zero is getting the airdrop?

[wheat robin]

just 100pts/hour of play

iirc

[tawdry heath]

does the points you get on land adds up to the points you get on overworld?

[wheat robin]

as long as you used the same email address on your passport account as is tied to your main

[tawdry heath]

will it be computed that way?

[opal thistle]

It starts on July 25th with game launch....there are several IIPS about it. It's a great source of information. Check pinned messages
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tawdry heath]

then the rewards will be for your total points on overworld and zero? @opal thistle

[opal thistle]

Yes

[tawdry heath]

ohh okay sir, so it adds up and the rewards will be computed, its an edge if you play both for the computation of the reward points

[opal thistle]

Each game testnet/IZ gives you 100pts/h. Example... if you play both at the same time you will be getting 200/h

[tawdry heath]

awesome, thanks for the clarification sir♥️

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/hat-tip-greetings-fedora-tip-my-hat-tips-hat-gif-11410111

[bitter phoenix]

Hi. Can someone help me download illuvium zero onto my new tablet to play. I don’t seem to be able to find the link

[opal thistle]

make sure you log into your account with the land in it

[bitter phoenix]

Do I have to link wallet?

[rare gale]

i need help in marketplace immutable error 5003 not posible buy a land

[opal thistle]

Not necessary, just login with email

[opal thistle]

Try buying it in IlluviDex.....I'm no expert in IMX marketplace

[rare gale]

I'm doing it there but error after error

[bitter phoenix]

For some reason I can’t download the game

[rare gale]

immutablex is error code 5003 i have the wallet conecct, eth in wallet inside the illuvidex

[opal thistle]

clear cookies and cacche or use a different browser

[radiant sky]

You need to be logged in with the illuvium Account the wallet your Land is on is linked to.

[bitter phoenix]

Ok I will delete MetaMask. I think that is what is stopping it.

[broken roost]

man how much fun would we be having if battlecries was around to talk about how all the hours spent playing zero to gain aidrop points got dilluted x20 (at least) with these new holo/dark holo

[bitter phoenix]

There’s an empty MetaMask on my tablet.
Does anyone know the minimum os for android to run zero?

[opal thistle]

That inf s somewhere, I'll look but later.....as I remember it worked even on old versions

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks

[glad mango]

Loyalty drop was def less than i thought it would be. I bought enough gamestop disks to get a physical copy sent. I own a t3 land. And didn't even get a full coin.

[random siren]

im sorry

[glad mango]

Anyone else assume it would be more?

[random siren]

ngl if i got less than i was expecting i would be a little hurt but i was happy to see what i got

[glad mango]

What assets did you have that paid you out

[violet dirge]

hello so let me ask if player 0 is the same as other games but other games get + hunting points so 0 only gets 100/h so the land owner cannot = other player's points

I don't know if I misunderstood something
?

[random siren]

i staked like 7k august 2021 then bought 7 t1 lands and then bought like 5k worth of illuvitars and i got 6 ilv

[glad mango]

Guessing there was a focus on the coin itself

[random siren]

no you pretty much understand

[violet dirge]

So land owners don't = other normal players even though they also play beta 4? Is this really fair?

[opal thistle]

You get both, IZ playtime points are calculated appart
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[random siren]

i mean you can play zero and overworld so technically you have an advantage

[violet dirge]

I understand but what if I don't play overworld and I only play my land. I'm playing level 3 land. I will never be able to get points from overworld players and they cost me nothing but it cost me almost 5000u for my land.

I have to bear the risk of this market and participate in 0 but still can't = with overworld free players

I know you're pushing for system-wide testing. But I also hope there will be something for landowners in this beta 4. They have just taken the risk of this market to buy land and test them, they also have to get more points than normal players for example 200/h

I'm just stating my opinion, I'm still testing 0 and overworld

[opal thistle]

Thanks for your feedback, opinions are always encouraged...I'll pass the message along

[small flint]

hi! i have a question! if I play in my F2P plot, will that time count for airdrop? cause Im out of things to do in my regular plot, other than collecting from converters 😅

[random siren]

good question, @opal thistle u know?

[opal thistle]

Yes, because if you can play free plot that means you have a land NFT.....activity in the account.....I'm 99% sure but I will doubl check because of my OCD

[leaden sun]

Sorry if this has been answered, when the open beta hits, the open beta for ftp zero also hits yea? Do people playing the ftp version of zero also earn airdrop points? Again annoying investors that paid damn good money for their lands? and if so does having multiple ftp plots earn even more?

[radiant sky]

yes, AP are for playing zero.
Likely yes, you could create multiple accounts for f2p zero, like you could do with ow.

[wheat robin]

To little benefit though. You get literally nothing on f2p zero but airdrop points for the 100pts/hr. And they will be tracking multiple accounts farming and are already tracking afk time. I doubt that’s a worry for zero

[brazen solstice]

Hello, should I buy land to play zero?

[wheat robin]

It’s more of an investment in the future of illuvium and to be more involved. I personally have a t2

Nobody knows exactly how it’ll be on launch, revenue wise, but they’ll add plenty more updates to land as the game goes on

[brazen solstice]

I mean at testnet

[wheat robin]

No

Just enjoy overworld and arena

[autumn tide]

Is it still possible to buy land?

[wheat robin]

From other players yes

There are 20,000 plots currently in existence. Eventually 100k but that’s in the distant future

You can visit the main Illuvium’s site or tokentrove to see lands for sale from other players

[formal basalt]

Don't look at the official website, there are a lot of bugs (lands are marked as available for purchase, but in fact they are not), look at Token Trove.

[calm harbor]

How does illuvium zero works and it gives you airdrops points too?

[junior depot]

Is it possible to transfer land from different IMX wallets?

[wheat robin]

ILV zero is a land builder, it does give 100pts/hr for the airdrop but unless you own land and want to practce and get ready for launch, i wouldnt worry about it mate. it will eventually generate fuel to use

[calm harbor]

I see thanks

[small sundial]

Hurry up. The prize going up 🙂

[small sundial]

Am I the only one to have noticed, in the illuvidex, when we look at the Land Tier1 with the least expensive as a filter, the first ones are no longer listed and they are still visible even if we take the time to put BUY NOW

[spiral tangle]

Any updates or timeline on the playtime tracker?

[wheat robin]

yes, they know. Just use TokenTrove for now or another imx marketplace

[rough delta]

Playing illuvium zero must have land nft right ?

[vapid jolt]

Hey guys - when Illuvium Zero launches with the other Illuvium games, will it still be necessary to have Land to play it?

[iron laurel]

No there will be F2P plots as well. I believe you will have one T2 plot you will be able to play.

[vapid jolt]

Got it - do you know what the difference will be between F2P land plots and paid ones?

[iron laurel]

How they will exactly work we don't know.

[vapid jolt]

got it - and so we know when global launch will be? I imagine it's after Open Beta, correct? And Open Beta is set out to go for 6 months or so?

[marble bear]

I think the markets bugged for Dark Holos, it shows not a single one has been caught even when u search non listed

[iron laurel]

Game release is July 25th. Will Zero be ready them or not I don't know.

[static lance]

Hey guys

[willow torrent]

Scoriox has a spreadsheet that records dark holo. Maybe it's a website thing. I tried to find the monkeys on the market without success

[marble bear]

Yeah looks like just the market

[wheat robin]

It will be included in launch

[teal mural]

Hey guy are y’all having a problem playing zero? Is there a new up date

[iron laurel]

Fully? Good to know.

[placid ledge]

is illuvium zero on the beta 4?

cant figure out how to play it

[thin dirge]

there is a free to play map if you download the game

[sterile ruin]

are these purchased from the illuvidex or 3rd party

[hexed abyss]

I think a known issue, but still often seeing incorrect plot level from Plots screen. This plot (screenshot) is actually only Level 5 😅

[sly folio]

So anyone who didnt mint during the window is screwed?

[random siren]

mint what? blueprints?

[sly folio]

yeah

[hexed abyss]

Yes, minting window is still closed. I am still minting for something to do, but only for the 100 points/hr. From July 25th, it's all go though, fingers crossed🤞🏼

Especially interested in how much the fuel will be valued??

[random siren]

yes but I wouldent worry too much the blueprints we got are all common

[junior depot]

Is it possible to transfer land to another IMX wallet?

[random siren]

yes there is a paper plane looking icon you click on illuvium website when on your land nft

[stable basin]

I've held land for over a year. Played several seasons, including minting all blueprints.

My land is linked to the wallet that I have connected here.

The airdrop article says that people were rewarded for - Illuvium Zero Land: Time held & Amount Spent.

Did any other land holders get something similar to this amount?

Also, I played Overworld extensively over the last 6 months.. this has to be wrong..

[dusky osprey]

same, got only 0.02 ILV .. 😕

[teal sandal]

How much fuel does a floor land generate daily?

[orchid cosmos]

Hi fren

Last time i did anything with my land is mint 15 NFTs

is there any new update require land holder get back on?

[feral ginkgo]

Having a land will reset on official launch

??

[light niche]

yes, land will be reset

[light niche]

thats a nice question.
Im interested too, how much fuel can each land generate.

[stable basin]

I just opened my app after cramming for 3 weeks to get the 15 blueprints over winter.

I've got about 150 of each fuel type in my storage. This has not much effort put into it.

The 3 main resources "sitting" there as I just harvested my land in Zero amounted to about 200 units total across all three (there are converters)

They do accumulate on a timer as well as based on their level and other factors. So this wouldn't be a normal haul. I'm guessing upper hundreds or low thousands. Would love to hear from others

[stable basin]

I had to do an update to my app but nothing is changed or reset

Are we rewarded for current ZERO gameplay?

This is what the announcement breaking down the airdrops seemed to imply

[stable basin]

Something is not right. I bought 2 plots of land. Sold one. Played at least 2 game Resets on ZERO. Played ILV ZERO heavily during the "Legacy" reward period. Maybe my accounts are desynced?

I'll try a support ticket

[formal basalt]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[pure fable]

can I see my time played anywhere?

[mellow wren]

When will land gameplay begin?

[mellow wren]

Where can I read everything about land?
I want to buy some

I remember bumping into something saying land generates energy

Is there a limit as to the amount of energy each land can generate per day/week etc?

Do people come to your land and do something to get that energy?
Where can I read all this?

[burnt hedge]

Is there any reason I can't see my Land assets on Illuvium Zero. I bought a halcyon sea land during the sale a long time ago and it's saying I have no lands

[tall crypt]

Increible people. Search "imx explorer" and put your ETH address(where did you do buy).

[strange bone]

Will there be more blueprints added at launch in the 25th?

[sly folio]

Illuvium zero counts twards the playtime?

[opal thistle]

Yes 100pts/h

[sly folio]

Illuvium zeros out of date.. why is the download button on the website so hard to find?... still haven't found it...

[radiant sky]

there's a direct link in #📣〕announcements message

[sly folio]

for phone?

[radiant sky]

for Windows, MAC and android

[rigid aspen]

Just curious because I haven’t got to into the land side of everything is there a video or place I can read and understand all the utility and how important there gonna be for the overworld

I know they produce fuel for the overworld but is there like info on how the yield is like is it worth it in the end also what would the price be for a nice efficient land

[teal sandal]

Was also wondering the same thing

[rigid aspen]

I still might nab up one while I have the funds not sure tho

Want a worthy investment

[teal sandal]

Sameee trying to figure out how much a floor would generate daily

[rigid aspen]

Yeah I mean I’m cool with getting one land that has only one resource on it just so I have some fuel for overworld and can more play without having to pay 100$ a week just to do runs and craft stuff

[teal sandal]

That's kinda what I'm stuck on

I like the game as is but having this "pay to play" seems odd

Don't think that's gunna be popular

Pay $100 a week just to play is crazy lol

But I'm torn cuz I actually like the game

If I can buy a land and be "all set" fuel wise I probably would

But also it's a 20k collection and faq says it'll end up being a 100k collection

Which will obviously dilute the value

So idk

[feral ginkgo]

Bro the land is optional there a stage 0 to play with in overworld and having land you are the source of fuel and its gonna be supply and demand and 5% revenue

[feral ginkgo]

And thats why we have the airdrop 1 the 30K ILV

To have funds if we want to go higher stage

[teal sandal]

Stage 0 would get boring in approximately 2 seconds lol

Probably just gunna buy land so I can generate my own fuel

But for mass onboarding kinda an odd mechanic but for web3 gamers might be fine

If u could earn fuel via playing stage 0 even if it was slow I think that'd make more sense

Then having ppl pay to play

[gentle grove]

Wouldn't be surprised if they did that they have screwed over landowners from the start why stop now

[mellow wren]

I really need to know this as well before buying land. I don't want to buy land then discover that it has limited or capped fuel supply.
I'm looking for resources where I can read or watch specifics about that before buying the land

[radiant sky]

unknown numbers for the beta build... nobody knows except the illuvium 😄

[formal basalt]

The land definitely has a limited fuel supply. Fuel comes from mines, of which there are initially a limited number on the land, and from converters, which are more numerous than the mines, but in any case their number is limited by the size of the land and the total number of buildings.
Land basics: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[pseudo pulsar]

This Land Is Your Land
this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island,
From the Redwood Forest,
to the Gulf stream waters,
This land was made for you and me.

[native spade]

Hey guys anything new in ILZ? Can land owners start earning already

Are there new blueprints that can be discovered and minted??

[pseudo pulsar]

@native spade just alpha but they cant be minted any more

If you didnt find them you can if you did you cant

[native spade]

Yeh i have those guys, the 15 blueprints that we minted last january or something?

[pseudo pulsar]

Ok yep same game yet

[native spade]

So everything now is still the same as it was before

What the heck lol

[pseudo pulsar]

Yah but time played its going to get you airdrop points

[native spade]

Damn it. Anyone wants to buy my land? Whats the floor price now i can do 10% off from floor price

[native spade]

Ahh so it's still something if i keep playing it today

[pseudo pulsar]

Yah helps

It be nice to get free land grab for playing

[versed warren]

What tier?

[cerulean field]

btw there’s a loyalty airdrop if you didn’t know. see announcements

[carmine sleet]

Any info about when it will be available on IOS? 😌✌🏽 can’t wait to play it on mobile 🥂🤩

[opal thistle]

Kieran said that it will be available on IOS for public release

[carmine sleet]

It’s more about when 😜

[meager flint]

What is the point of having a Solon boost when it doesn’t have Solon?

[wide tartan]

The boost could be applied if that land is attached to other lands as a Mega City and can boost the solons of those lands.

[amber atlas]

• Converters

[gaunt hedge]

how can i play zero?

[twilit bough]

Same question. I got lands but the link in the zero page sends me to the epic store and no zero once downloaded

[gaunt hedge]

exactly

[vivid cipher]

Are you logged in to the site? Is your land holding wallet connected?

[vivid cipher]

Only if you own a land nft.

[gaunt hedge]

How can we get one?

[vivid cipher]

You can buy one on the IlluviDex. #🔗〕helpful-links

[gaunt hedge]

Its just one land in there when i checked last time

[vivid cipher]

Maybe you are looking at the sandbox site, the testnet site.

[vivid cipher]

Use the mainnet site and not the testnet site.

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/zero/land

[glossy otter]

@vivid cipher I really wonder why you punish your asset owners (land) . there isnt single benefit . normally most of the project do something to their land owner like multipliers etc . but you get punished if you play it at this test

actually scrn over your investors to f2p players is really bad business idea

[compact sluice]

Hey guys, I have a simple question:

Does a tier 1 land make you autonomous in resources to play Overworld?

[compact sluice]

cringe we don't know that 1 month before release

[radiant sky]

Indeed mate

[radiant sky]

ser, still waiting? 🙃

[long tendon]

I believe it was addressed in the announcement from Kieran. If I recall it was everything that was already going to be part of OB and it's just MC and BPs that won't make it.

[radiant sky]

In the announcement the games would launch and the feature list added, there weren't really any features mentioned for Zero.
Which announcement are you talking about, mate? can you add a link maybe?

There was also an announcement for features still being developped, where it looks like the ingame marketplace didn't make the cut for launch.
What about plot to plot transfer of ressources? i know it was not sure for a long time if this feature would be ready at launch.

[sharp bane]

hey guys just wanna ask how important the land in the game?

where can i get some info for lands benefits?

[vivid cipher]

Can you explain more about how land owners are punished? I’m wanting some clarity

[vivid cipher]

The amount of fuel that you will be able to get from your land is based on player demand. Land owners will have produced 5% of all the fuel used in the other games by the players. If half of the players are land owners then no, a t1 land will not get you enough fuel to play the game very often.

If only 1% of the players own land then it seems much more likely that there could be enough fuel from a t1 land.

Also, how much fuel do you need to be self sufficient? What are you expected expenses? How much fuel do you think you can produce on your tier 1 land today in the current alpha testing build? We can’t know the answer to those questions. You will have to estimate that for yourself.

[vivid cipher]

Land will help you to be able to play #🎮〕illuvium-zero a game where you’ll produce fuel that can you can use to play overworld or to sell to other players wanting to play overworld.

Land is not required. But it can help you be more self sufficient.

Check these pinned infographics for more information #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hollow oyster]

Probably not

[hollow oyster]

Maybe 5 - 10 lands yea

Thinking only about crafting shards they cost so much fuel

Equipment and travels damn you Need 200 lands tò be fully autonomous

[compact sluice]

thanks for feedback

[glossy otter]

instead of playing land we can spend that time to illivum overworld as there is no point to play anything besides overworld. like finding one holo dark holo equals to tens of hours of illuvium zero . there is no benefit to spend time on it right now

[vivid cipher]

Correct. No added bonus for testing the old alpha build for the zero game.

There maybe additional bonuses added as the airdrop seasons continue.

[polar cosmos]

what do you mean? even after reset?

[timber sapphire]

What I'm guessing is after raffle event they will do something to incentives the arena because it's barely tested now

But nothing confirmed

[vivid cipher]

Yeah definitely. 5 months of mainnet airdrop time. Plenty of different bonuses

[nova epoch]

GM. After a few days of playing IZ for the first time, I'm pretty addicted ☺️

[teal sandal]

I got one tier 2 land. Thinking I might need another based on these convos lol

[teal sandal]

If land owners produce only 5% of total fuel where is the rest generated from? Or is the rest just bought with ETH?

[gentle grove]

The Dao produces it out of thin air

[teal sandal]

Wym

You get it from staking ILV?

Or u mean just sells it in ethereum

[gentle grove]

No they just make 95% of the fuel and what they do with that I haven't read up on it

[vivid cipher]

The rest is bought with eth. From the game. It’s how illuvium makes revenue.

[teal sandal]

Gotcha!

[white hamlet]

is t2s3 holo actually higher than t3?

[radiant sky]

ILV is being bought of the market with that eth and it's going to be distributed to stakers.
It's part of the revdis.

[gentle grove]

That's what I thought but didn't want to say something I wasn't 100% on

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Due to rarity calculations

[halcyon echo]

I can't build singularity scanner, even though I meet the requirements and have the resources

[wheat robin]

its probbaly like 1.15m

[halcyon echo]

I'm increasing storage

That's probably it, I'll open a ticket to improve the message

[gilded heart]

Is zero now on mainnet? Can players start stocking fuel for main release?

[wheat robin]

No

July 25th

[thin dirge]

Do we know when more land will be released? Not sure if it's a good idea to buy land now or wait.. I got a t1 but would love something higher 😄
It's pretty addictive

[tough field]

It’s probably a rounding issue. You max stored should be something like 1.060.000.000 but the interface rounded to 1.1x That issue already existed since alpha and I though that this would be fixed at this point, but it seems not

[vivid cipher]

It’s a rounding error for your actual storage. Yeah. Annoying thing that devs could fix

[vivid cipher]

Not known. Not soon.

[thin dirge]

Okie, thanks man!

[buoyant plank]

Hi @vivid cipher , do I understand it right, that the decision regarding “land owners will have produced 5%” was taken without the DAO decision?
This looks like a rug pull for early Illuvium Zero investors.
Appreciate your response.

[vivid cipher]

That’s the design for zero land since before zero land was ever sold. It’s part of the earliest zero game designs and is part of numerous DAO proposals from the very earliest mention of fuel from land.

I’m talking about 2021

[buoyant plank]

I’ve been there and minted the land as well.
Early discussions from the founders were covering the aspect that the company will not produce any resources itself but the gamers will do it and the others will buy them from the gamers as well. Company would earn fees from sales. No pre-mint recourses, I clearly remember it. Now it appears that the company will have full monopoly over the resources.

[vivid cipher]

Old pin from Lu. Back when he was on illuvium team. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[buoyant plank]

Yes, 5% of the revenue goes to landowners. But not that the landowners would produce only 5% of all the resources…

[vivid cipher]

Here’s how it would work. Land owners play game. Tap tap.

Land owners have fuel that they want to either want to use in the overworld or sell. Tap tap approve. Fuel is minted. The DAO mints 19x that same amount. Dao always lists their fuel for sale. Land owners can either sell theirs or send it to overworld account for playing with.

Therefore the land owners are in charge of the timing of production. Some used to think of things as being a 95% tax but it’s never actually been set up to be a tax.

[vivid cipher]

This is the oldest copy of the original IZ tokenomics I can find. It’s been pinned in a dead thread for years. #872938475492626462 message

The only older document is the original game design document pinned in here as well. It does not go into fuel really.

[buoyant plank]

So, we agree that 5% production cap for landowners was never presented or discussed?

“Tap tap”? Thank you for undermining the efforts of the IZ gamers.

Appreciate your response on the followings:

1. Would you please show me the DAO voting on this “x19 mint”?
2. What’s the point of owning a land, which nearly can cover the OW runs for 1 player?

[vivid cipher]

I play it on my phone. I tap the screen. It was not intended to belittle. I apologize

2. That depends completely on how many people are playing.

I’ll find the best proposals and see what it says.

IIP-20 parameters for land sale

Revenue Distribution
Landowners will have the opportunity to earn revenue from players in the main game through the novel use of a Balancer multi-token Weighted Pool. They will do so by swapping fuels they generate in-game for ETH. On the other side, players in Illuvium will exchange ETH* for fuel and use it to complete all transactions in the game except for trading between players.

The target will be for landowners to earn approximately 5% of the total revenue generated from in-game purchases in Illuvium.

Change To Illuvium Pricing

The goal for Illuvium: Zero is to make it exciting for landowners to have some agency, which includes influencing the price of the fuel they swap and having an impact on the main game. However, Illuvium games require some level of stability to function well. We have come up with a solution to these requirements:

Illuvium will not fix fuel (required for all in-game interactions) to USD. Instead, pricing in-game will be a fixed amount of fuel. Since this could cause fuel prices to fluctuate significantly depending on the actions of the landholders, the DAO will automatically supply or withdraw fuel from the balancer pool if the price differs by more than 25%.

Practically, suppose the demand for fuel is higher or lower than the production. In that case, the price of actions in Illuvium can increase or decrease by up to 25%. Landholders can choose to sell when the price is high, and players can buy fuel when low.

The council can adjust the parameters of either the base price for fuel or the percentage variance allowed. They can also change the approximate percentage of revenue received by landholders.

I understand that it does not describe the mechanism.

But uses 5% clearly.

1:19 is a 5% to 95% ratio.

As you are likely aware much of how this proposal states about how the fuel sales and purchases will work is no longer accurate due to contract limitations and design decisions.

What you’ll note that this IIP does not say is that land owners can use their fuel in the overworld. It says they can sell it.

What many apparently assumed is that the DAO can be left out and not get its cut. Thats incorrect.

Of course land owners could always have then be able buy the fuel back that they’d just sold. In fact that was the original (and possibly even still) mechanism for land owners to be able to get their fuel to use it in overworld. This would take place in the background and not actually be a thing seen or executed by the zero player.

So much of the fuel system was overwrought and overly complicated

[buoyant plank]

Sorry, I still don’t see any signs of imposing 5% resource production cap on the landowners.

It’s mentioned about 5% in-game revenue. These are 2 different things.

Anyway, I believe I got the answer. It’s not appealing. This will highly possibly have not a positive impact on the future land pricing. Guild’s economies will suffer. Sales of remaining 80k slots will have a questionable attraction.

[versed warren]

Technical staking the token will yield you a portion of the other 95% that will be dispersed to stakers. Not really sure how lands gunna be profitable but I have a few 🥲

[graceful vector]

I asked someone on the Illuvium team on reddit probably a year ago about whether we could use our own resource from IZ in Overworld. They explained that no, you can't because it could create a black market that renders the +/- 25% price barrier worthless. That I understand. But now you are saying that "Of course land owners could always have then be able buy the fuel back that they’d just sold" but also "1:19 is a 5% to 95% ratio". So assuming I am the only seller/buyer that exists, if I sell 1000 Crypton from my land and then also buy 1000 Crypton in Overworld for 0.095 ETH, I am only getting paid 0.005 ETH for the Crypton I sold?

[chilly ravine]

Carbon, hydrogen and silicone are only produced in zero.

These substances should also be required in the OW Forge.

Or there should be a Forge in Zero with which certain things can be forged.

In this case, it should also be necessary to buy certain materials from OW.

In this way, the worlds OW and Zero become even more dependent on each other.

For the arena, I imagine that water can refresh the Illuvials in the battle.

My goal is not short-term airdrop but long-term fun.

[tame pine]

Hi guys! I am new at Zero, somebody can tell me how can I get more builder? I mean how can I build 2 buildings at the same time. New building or something else, or only 1 in a whole game?

[chilly ravine]

At same time not possible. Step by step. Harvest the plants. They give points. With this points you can speed up the building process.

[tame pine]

Okey, 😄 My only problem is I can't building so fast XD but my resources have it

I have other question about, IS the game available for mobile? Where I can download it?

[buoyant plank]

Hi @bitter glade, thank you for clarification. But this was never publicly on the table.
The idea was that the fuel is produced on the land and not being pre-minted by the company.

I understand that this can create price spikes and so on, but this was also discussed. It was addressed in the way that DAO will be able to correct the price action by +-25%, which is also ok.

What not ok is that now landowners will have a 5% production cap of all the fuel. This is not understandable by the landowners, who invested a lot in the plots. Guilds made their economy calculations based on the idea that they own plots, which produce fuel, which will be given as scholarship to the OW rangers.

For the past 3 years since the land mint I was assured that the land plots are the most undervalued asset in Illuvium universe. Right now it looks like the land is becoming the most overvalued asset even with the current prices.

Would you please advise what’s the rational behind the decision to take 95% of fuel sales from the landowners?

[timber sapphire]

I thought it would always work like this?

[bitter glade]

I think you have a large misunderstanding about how this works. Under your system there would literally be zero revenue for the DAO. It would effectively make only the landholders the owners of the game and they would earn 100% of the revenue.

Land was always going to share 5% of the in game revenue.

Am I misunderstanding your question?

[buoyant plank]

Thanks! Probably yes, that’s why I’m asking questions in order to understand the situation. Appreciate your responses.

I probably missed the point as it was decided to put a cap on landowners fuel production.

My understanding was that DAO will be earning from the market fees. And that the land is the backbone of the project.

I understand that land was always going to have 5% of the in-game revenue. Which is similar to revenue distribution for ILV stackers (they get 95%, right?).

But it’s two different things: 5% of in-game revenue and 5% fuel production cap. Or is it the same thing in this topic?

I’m asking on my behalf and other land owners, as we’re in discussion right now and quite surprised, that DAO will be minting 95% of the fuel.

What’s the point of land then when it’s 5% fuel production only?

Was there an IIP where this process was described?

Sorry for writing and asking so much, but it’s a very important topic, which might change a lot.

[bitter glade]

There is no “cap” on fuel production, so to speak. The game can generate a certain amount of fuel depending on how you set up the plot and its features.

The DAO earns from all transactions. Both market fees and any payments in game. The payments in game come from fuel which the landholders sell and the DAO mints.

The point is that the land holders get to pick the sale price. And they get 5% of the fuel production (which is how they get 5% of in game revenue).

This has ALWAYS been the case. It was never the case that landholders got all the revenue from fuel.

If you want to look at the IIP, it is in the very first IIP where it was decided that landholders would get 5% of in game revenue. The mechanism for that is that they sell land, and the dao creates an order for 20x their sale. Then when that fuel sells, the landholder gets 5%. Ie 5% of all in game revenue.

This includes things like Illuvium Beyond sales which will move to Fuel rather than ETH.

The only time landholders don’t get their 5% is when someone buys with sILV2 and that was also known.

[timber sapphire]

Beyond is gonna be sold in fuel👀 might need to look into that

[buoyant plank]

Thank you very much for the response. We’ll take a look into it. Apparently a lot of landowners misunderstood the system

[bitter glade]

If I had my way I’d sell movie tickets in fuel. But the point is that when something is sold for money (like merch) we want to distribute that too.

I’m not sure if that IIP passed. I’ve been busy with other stuff but I’ve always been on the side of landholders.

Just not “landholders make 100% of the game revenue” side. That would…not be good.

[timber sapphire]

Yeah I knew that, just didn't know that fuel would be used other than in overworld

[bitter glade]

Well, I don’t know if that has been approved. But that’s how I have always wanted it. We just didn’t do it for previous waves because fuel didn’t exist.

[buoyant plank]

One more question, if landowners set the fuel price, will DAO be regulating the price spikes or interfere with the market prices in any way?

[bitter glade]

The dao has the ability to adjust the fuel rails.

Ideally we want the current market price to be about 50% of the top rail. If the price spikes above the top rail then technically land holders aren’t selling. Only the dao is. That’s bad. So we would adjust the top rail up to match that new equilibrium.

This needs to be approved via ICCP. Probably we will adjust the top rail early on. Once it becomes stable we won’t do shit.

[buoyant plank]

Thank you!

[timber sapphire]

So if we make a secret union with all landholders we can still corrupt the market 👀

Although some might get greedy

[bitter glade]

Yes you can.

[cinder grove]

If the revenue of a sale is $100, will $95 go to DAO and $5 go to Landowners?
Or is cost first deducted?
If cost is first deducted, how much of the $100 will be cost and how much $ will be revdis?
If cost is not first deducted, from what part will the team, servers and other cost be paid?

[bitter glade]

This is not a good way to think about it.

A landholder has 100 Solons they want to sell. They think a good price for them is $1 each. They put them up for sale.

Another player buys them.

The landholder that sold them gets $100. It's that simple.

The only complexity is that when they do that sale, the actual size of the sale is 2000 solons and the price is still $1/each. When those 2000 are bought, the landholder gets their $100.

[hollow oyster]

Basically your order of 100 must be take 20 times to get your 100 bucks

Right ?

[cinder grove]

Ok $100 (5%) goes to Landowner and $1900 (95%) goes to DOA, but my question is how is the cost covered for the team and all other costs to run and develop Illuvium. It must come from a part of the revenue?

[cerulean nest]

The DAO gets revdis from its own ILV tokens

[cinder grove]

So all the cost is paid by the DAO and the only DAO’s income is from ILV staking? This is how they will pay for everything in the coming future? Like 10 years from now?

[pearl marten]

@bitter glade Would be interesting to know if this will be possible (question from the land owner channel):
Will we be able to find Holo and Dark Holo biodata and/or research H/DH blueprints?

[cerulean nest]

That's the idea, if the games are a success then the revdis and price action of the token should carry for the DAO forward.

[vivid cipher]

The sell and buy back would have been something that happened seamlessly through a single multi call transaction interacting with the balancer type liquidity pool. That’s not happening now. That was all a theory and there had been nothing built.

Again, the 5% 95% was and is still maintained through a single method. The DAO mints fuel when land owners mint fuel. There’s no mixing of the DAO 95% and the land owner 5%. There’s no purchase of less fuel or paying more for fuel.

Your make believe scenario of you being the only buyer and only seller is not possible. If there are no buyers orders in the order book then you can’t sell. If there are no sell orders in the order book then you can’t buy. Google how order books work if you need to. Additionally, the old theoretical plan was an AMM so buys and sells could always happen. Regardless of buyers or sellers. And they happen immediately.

Land owners can sell their fuel. Your example… sell 1000 fuel tokens. You get paid for that 1000 fuel tokens. It’s a transaction. An exchange. Immediate. Paid in full. This happens in the actual built system of a market order book and would have happened on the balancer style liquidity pool.

There were definitely some problems with the theory of the 25% rails. Which is why the mechanics of how the fuel system will actually work was not locked in stone by any proposal due to the obvious potential for technical limitations.

[vivid cipher]

Just as shards are not used in zero those elements are not used in overworld. Not everything from all illuvium games will be used in all illuvium games

[cinder grove]

Thanks to community members the cost side is clear to me.
One other thing that is not clear to me is:
A landowner sells 100 Solon for $1 and in total 2000 Solan is sold for $1, 1900 created by the DAO, so the Landowner receives $100.
But what if next to the 2000 solon also $2000 in new Illuvial disks are sold? Pretending we only have one landowner and no other fuel is sold, the landowner now gets $200, right?

[radiant sky]

if you talking about the additionally 2K is sold at top rail by the dao, yes. If there is just 1 landowner he will receive 5% of them.

[vivid cipher]

No. The land owner would be the first 100 at that price. Listing time takes priority. According to standard order book structures.

[cinder grove]

I am trying to go one step further as per Aaron’s example by adding other revenue than fuel.
This means when Landowners sell 100 Solon for $1, they will always receive more than $100 as there is more revdis than just fuel. How do landowners get non fuel revdis

[barren barn]

At a fully leveled T3 land, anyone think it would make 100$ a day?
What are some thoughts of daily return on maxed out lands? T1, T2, T3 and T4?

[radiant sky]

no you receive the 100$
don't confuse yourself with creating scenarios never happening.

[cinder grove]

$56 per period for a T1 with $100M revenue per period

[cinder grove]

I thought landowners get 5% of ALL in game revenue? Not just fuel

[radiant sky]

all ingame revenue is made using fuel

[barren barn]

A period is monthly? Weekly?

[cinder grove]

Ok, so when landowner sell 100 solon for $100, the landowner will get that when another $1900 sell is made?
Until now most is in ETH or ILV

[cinder grove]

Yes, or yearly. Depends how popular the game is.

[radiant sky]

yea, because there's no fuel yet

[barren barn]

Kieran had stated for land owners they would see ROI in 2 years?

[radiant sky]

highly doubtable 😄

we would need insane dau with nice spending habit for that... not gona be the case

[cinder grove]

Ok, interesting. Thanks.
Will for example some illuvium disks be sold in Solon and others in Hyperion? Or each item their own fuel, like land sale in Hyperion and disks in Solon?

[radiant sky]

i guess you can choose what fuel you wan't to use to buy disks. This would give a nice touch for fuel balancing itself, but idk...

[cinder grove]

For sure not the OG landowners, maybe somebody who picked up something cheap lately 😄

[radiant sky]

there's not really any details known about all this stuff

[radiant sky]

maybe :d

[cinder grove]

That would be nice as well, fun to see how that plays out

[cinder grove]

Nice idea!!

With so many questions on revdis, a short movie how it works on the Zero part on the webpage would be helpful. These questions will be coming a lot the closer we get to launch and even more after. Or a FAQ sheet

[radiant sky]

they did a short recently telling everything about fuel on their youtube+ channel, check it out

[cinder grove]

Can’t find that.

[radiant sky]

https://youtu.be/sNSPBkwYWOA?si=2EdvBgSEfGiuxoUu

[cinder grove]

Wait, there is an Illuvium and an Illuvium+ channel??

[radiant sky]

yes ser

[cinder grove]

Ok, good to know. But why do they compete?

[radiant sky]

i don't know

[bitter glade]

Yes. Costs to run the game (including wages) comes from the portion of Dao revenue that goes to the treasury.

The only time this isn’t true is external revenues like movie tickets or Netflix deals or merch. In those cases cost are paid first before distribution.

[bitter glade]

No that’s not possible. At least not now.

[pearl marten]

😦 .. wasn't really referring for OB. But in general if we can get there?
For ex it could be available if you successfully collect all facts and/or biodata for a specific line thus unlocking potential H/DH blueprints ?

[gentle grove]

How about we tell us the rails since release isn't that far off u have to know by now or just going to scrap some bs crap at the last min

[barren turtle]

Wow bro, so negative! 😝

[gentle grove]

Not negative it's just over a month out now they have some idea of what the rails will be for fuel

[bitter glade]

That would require DH skins for suits. Would need to check with the art team. Possibly.

[oak ruin]

I want my megacity on July 25th, c'mon!!! push! Push! Push! Push!

[pearl marten]

Thanks for the reply.
I think it would be a pretty good addition to the value of lands. It would make even the lower tier BPs/skins have some demand

[radiant sky]

there's like 1 holo finish.... skin would look the same for all biodata... don't think they do different holo stuff for every single illuvial.
So it would basically be 1 ranger/drone skin added if you add holo... or 2 if you add darkholo aswell.

[pearl marten]

But every skin is different (for every illuvial/stage) .. I mean there is a difference for the Atlas skin vs the Axodon one so the holo would add one more variation to each one

[radiant sky]

so like a holo/normal mix?

[pearl marten]

Yes.. Atlas normal skin , Atlas holo and Atlas dark holo skin

exactly like the illuvials

[radiant sky]

Yea, but Atlas dark holo Looks the Same as ophisto dark holo if it comes to skin

[bitter glade]

It’s a really good idea. I just can’t load up the art team without confirming it. Later on this week I’m going to give you some slightly bad news about a feature which we need to tweak just a bit. It’s a good thing overall because it will increase the demand, but so far someone has complained about anything.

If we had this in the pipeline (holo suit blueprints) then it would very much more than make up for it.

[pearl marten]

Yeah .. kind of .. it has a darker look though so there is some difference 😄
But i'm sure the art team is capable of adding an extra effect or something for a Dark Holo skin - given it would be such a rare possession 🙂
Also i don't see how the Atlas skin looks the same as the Ophisto - they're pretty different designs

[pearl marten]

Yep i think we all can understand that extra work before OB is not something we'd want, no worries.
And i'm guessing the slightly bad news is in regards to megacities?

[bitter glade]

It is not, no.

[pearl marten]

Okay, now i'm really curios 😄

And regarding the skins i think one of the best additions we could potentially have imo would be:

1. Making it possible to create battle board skins - i know this would imply extra work in creating a new building/balancing/in game costs of research etc
2. Option to obtain BPs for the new weapons
3. Adding the Holo/Dark Holo BPs

Would there by any possibility for 1 and/or 2 to happen? (not necessarily available for OB)

[radiant sky]

yea im not talking about the nft you can create with blueprint... like the effective skin when a illuvial is dark holo, it look all the same. color/effect whise.
But yea, maybe art team can create something new

[bitter glade]

1. It’s something we could do after we get established. I wouldn’t mind giving that over to ILV:Z. But remember those things cost fuel as it stands so you guys profit already.

2. I think this would be bad. Forcing people to buy a blueprint for functional things (not just cosmetic) would be a lot of friction just to hand a monopoly to landholders.

3. It won’t be immediate but I’ll see.

[radiant sky]

2. i guess he's talking about skins for the weapons, created with with blueprint + assets

[pearl marten]

But for 2 i am referring to purely cosmetic .. not as in if you don't have the blueprint you can't create the weapon

It would be for the bow for example. BP for bow + Atlas skin + cost of creating the skin -> blueish effect on it or make it fire Water arrows .. BP for bow + Rhamphy skin + cost of creating the skin -> make it a fire bow/shoot fire arrows etc

[bitter glade]

Skins for the weapons can’t work. The weapons have an affinity already. We vetoed this 3 years ago.

Suits don’t have an affinity so no inherent colour pattern. Weapons do.

[pearl marten]

I see so this is the reasoning behind it. It could work if you make BPs available only to that affinity thus creating a value in trying to buy land in a specific region.
EX: Fire sword - > you can only get BPs for the sword from fire illuvials (which have the dominant fire affinity) -> you want to go for skins for the fire weapons you would search land in Crimson mostly

[bitter glade]

The weapons are changing. They are specific affinity only.

It’s a very cool system.

[pearl marten]

Exactly why i'm saying it could work
But maybe that would add too much value for landowners idk.

[bitter glade]

I don’t know what you’re saying. If it is that landholders could own the rights to produce non skinned weapons, that’s too much in my opinion.

[pearl marten]

Thanks again for taking the time to get in here and answer a few questions

[bitter glade]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-too-much-man-sarah-lynn-bojack-horseman-horsin-around-90s-gif-11163817

[pearl marten]

No , i am referring only the means to produce a skin (different look) for a weapon
As you said new weapons will have specific affinities so - let's take the bow for example
if the bow will have idk let's say water affinity i could create a variation of the bow(only in visual effect) using water based illuvial BPs (atlas, ebb etc) - hope it makes sense

[bitter glade]

But that visual effect wouldn’t really be visible. It would be basically the same colours.

And if we did a fire version that would be confusing.

If you can draw up a concept I’m happy to listen.

[pearl marten]

Not very good at drawing but okay. I will try to create a few images and send them to you 🙂
Also i might put on paper how would it work - because you wouldn't be able to create a fire version if the affinity of the weapon is water -> You could only create water variations of it

[bitter glade]

I get that. But different water versions seems not very differenty.

[pearl marten]

Yeah .. maybe i was thinking at different designs rather than skins over the basic item.
Like a Rypter version Bow may have claw type edges, an Alphie version would shoot water beams (as arrows), Slappin version would have like swordish style edges, Dash maybe some claws/teeth in the middle of it from where the arrows are shooting - i think you get the point 😄

[radiant sky]

yea, i remember reading that.

[radiant sky]

mmh.. i mean, a little wave of a lake can be quite different to a tsunami.... maybe the size/shape of the vfx of the sword.

[bitter glade]

That’s 206 models for each weapon.

[rose thicket]

Aaron, thanks for giving substantive feedback to landowners. Since Johnny transitioned there has been a big void for this $72M cap of the illuvium constituency. Engagement in the thread seems to have hit an all time low which I think reflects landholders sentiment.

[quaint prism]

Yeah thanks Aaron and Jesse for the great feedback and response to the community. After reading the above thread I'm still concerned about the initial release stage.

I have a few plots and I intend to put 100% of my fuel into developing my land until I reach late game. I doubt I'll be alone in that. We are hoping for high player demand for Overworld on release before these plots have been built up. Plots are expected to be built up based on tier, with T4 reaching late game before lower tiers. I'm not confident that 25-50% guardrails will compensate for that initial buildup period. What's the contingency plan for this?

[bitter glade]

I’m in here from time to time. I will say that it sometimes is hard after hearing Overworld players say that we are evil for not giving them enough money to test it can be tough to hear landholders attitudes some times.

We are doing our best for everyone.

[serene iris]

There is a lot more silent support than you would think. Perhaps we should show it more! 😘

[barren barn]

Big time support for you @bitter glade

[pearl marten]

Yeah that would be a huge effort. The H/DH and/or battleboards will have to do then 😅

[pearl marten]

We totally understand that, but there is a lot of support also and unfortunately you won't be able to satisfy everyone no matter what.

I honestly would've put like a spending cap/day to maybe try and simulate the economy better.

Of course the correct cap would've been very difficult to find but i'm sure you guys have real world data about the in game spending behavior of people.

[bitter glade]

Spending cap can work but it also doesn’t let us hit our upper limits as easily. We are doing load testing too. And plus people can just make another account.

[cinder grove]

Thank you for taking the time to answer all our questions. Means a lot!

[quasi horizon]

How much ILV has been allocated to IZ play 2 airdrop? Is it the same % as Overworld and Arena??

[neon light]

Has the team considered pivoting Zero (or another game) as a Telegram game ? 800+ million users there, crypto wallet built-in, and pretty lame games gaining a ton of traction. Imagine what a good game would do there.

(not meant as a release blocker, something to consider medium to longer term)

A new simplified game, idle clicker style, could do the trick. To lure people into the ecosystem 🤷

[sudden zinc]

GM! Short one… what was average Drop for the longterm holder Rewards.. ?

[vivid cipher]

I doubt there is information available for that average.

The contract lets you claim based on how many points your address has compared to other addresses. I guess the team may have a large database repository with each eligible address and their allocation. But average… thats probably 50,000 divided by like to 30,000 to 100,000 eligible addresses. So probably 0.5ilv to 1.6ilv is the average.

[sudden zinc]

Many Thanks 🙏 So I am fully in with my 1,5….🤗😉🙏

[vivid cipher]

Yeah that’s a reasonable amount of the 50,000 loyalty rewards

[sudden zinc]

Yep.. now looking forward for the Zero beta rewards… Playing every day and upgrading my 2 Slots every day…😉

[indigo coral]

Zero only gives Airdrop points for playtime, which is 100/hour, you shouldn´t expect much from that, if you play overworld efficiently you make far more points.
(So many playing Overworld will render the 100/hour to be worth very little even at many hours)

[proper nest]

I feel that the average web3 player, is just here for cashing out. They just don't care about the work you put in. That's harsh, but to me looks close to reality. Ppl that truly love the game will never say something like this. But yeah, the casual web3 player is worse than the casual web 2 player. Because they look for different things. That's why to me focusing prioritizing web3 players over web2 is a bad short term approach to things. Maybe the web3 player mentality will change. But as of now, there are a lot of growed up ppl that want to make a living playing video games. And you will hear things like (Typical web3 player):

• I trusted the team, why I'm not making money (majority of 'dumb' players).
• I want my money back, if I sell now I will be losing money.
• I invested my savings on your game for you to nerf my assets.
• This is not a game, it's my job.
• No fun, just earn.
• I did something that to me looks impressive, what do I earn for doing it?
  I know you are trying to escape from this type of ppl. But they will be here. this is 2024 ppl.

[bitter glade]

Can't they just be wooed by my devilishly good looks and enjoy the game?

[proper nest]

Well, only if fire can burn over water.

[upper cloud]

is ilz included on the airdrop?

nvm playtime hours

[cinder grove]

Keep in mind that Illuvium started with a phrase Fight 4 ETH and asked people to invest in land 2 years ago saying the land is for revdis, also admitting it is not the most exciting city building game. So the focus is on making money concerning IZ.

[wooden sparrow]

Selling balanced T2 in Taiga Boreal
Lake x3
Crystal x2
Outcrop x1
Fuel Sites
Crypton Rift x1
Hyperion Reservoir x1
Solon Trench x1
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/11569

[proper nest]

It is still a game. You can call it investment all you want. You paid for playing, with potential to earn. If you don't earn, if you don't know how to play the game. If the game doesn't have enough revenue, I don't believe you have rights to complain. Even if you paid before the game was made. Because you can't ask for a guarantee success, because even though they show competence to do so. Nobody can guarantee success. And even though early money can help achieve it, it can't really buy it. Ppl complaining afterwards are just dumb. (much less ppl know how to give feedback, a lot of ppl like to point fingers, and say how they would make better(they don't))

[cinder grove]

Normally I would agree with you, but what I mean is that I think the approach of marketing “Fight 4 ETH” or a P2E is a wrong approach and attracts the wrong people. That is on Illuvium marketing. Call it Play to Own or some other narrative away from earning. When you say you can earn, gain ETH or anything in that direction and people earn less than they thought or earnings go down at a certain moment, they jump off the train and move on to where they can make more money. The focus needs to be on the gaming, collecting, flexing etc. Not sure how you get that narrative for IZ, but it is there for sure for OW and Arena. IZ needs a brainstorm marketing session and maybe a development upgrade to get away from earning as the first objective. So IZ needs to be a fun game (it is fun, but when you finished building there is not much to do besides clicking some buttons), collect stuff (BP at the moment and can be more fun with Holo and DH BP’s, and maybe future building some additional game items that can be used), attack / defend the city, do management/ investments to make the city more efficient, natural disasters, maybe certain droids or robots can go on missions and complete tasks etc. All is in F2P and only when you own land you can sell the items you gain on the marketplace.

[shrewd flax]

Ive been out for a while now after grinding hard after finding all 15 blueprints and then got told all my grinding was wasted because everything gets reset. So now Im back here wondering what has happened so far. Is there anything to earn atm?

[loud fern]

I'm in the same boat. I just came back after quite a few months. I was under the assumption that zero would allow us to start earning already but is that not the case?

[radiant sky]

Yes
Not the case

[reef jasper]

You keep your blueprints and you got crates for holding. Once full release, you can start earning with your reset lands

[thorny sentinel]

hey what is the cutoff date for this season?

[opal thistle]

You get playtime Airdrop points from IZ 100/ h

[opal thistle]

No official date on that front but it has to be before July 25th

[loud fern]

I don’t remember the last time I played but does it include playtime from when beta opened or just from a certain time period

[opal thistle]

From PB4 on....

[thorny sentinel]

the dark holo rewards are accumulative? or just counts the first time they are collected?

[thorny sentinel]

private beta still counts

[loud fern]

Ahh ok so I should hop back on and start being active! What counts as playtime though? Actually having the app open? or does it count as long as there’s some activity like passive building/upgrading/scanning but closing the app while waiting

[opal thistle]

You need to have activity

[loud fern]

Ahh ok that seems kind of hard. Since if you’re upgrading a building and it says it takes 15 hours you can’t really do anything?

[quasi horizon]

Mod - How much ILV has been allocated to IZ play 2 airdrop? Is it the same % as Overworld and Arena??

[opal thistle]

You can do little stuff like resource gathering

[quasi horizon]

Is there any illustration showing a breakdown for the IZ play2airdrop.. I see them for Overworld but not IZ

[opal thistle]

Only airdrop thing IZ gives is playtime points (separate from OW/arena)

For this stage

[quasi horizon]

How much ILV has been allocated to IZ play 2 airdrop? Is it the same % as Overworld and Arena??

[opal thistle]

There are 180K main Net Airdrop points that we don't know how they will be allocated

[opal thistle]

You only get 100 airdrop points per hour played in IZ

In Test Net Phase

[quasi horizon]

Do you get more playing Overworld?

Then what is the XP we're collecting in IZ. I have like 5 million XP.. How many airdrop points does that translate too?

[opal thistle]

Not per hour played, you can have both open and get 200 points per hour. Overworld has capture bonus points and it's a massive amount of points if you complete captures

[opal thistle]

No xp in IZ is translated to airdrop points

Only playtime points 100 points per hour

[quasi horizon]

Then why give us XP points?

[opal thistle]

Because that is how the final game will be

This is still a testing phase

Until July 25th that we go live

[quasi horizon]

In the final game what do you get for XP points?

[opal thistle]

A sense of progression....what do you get in any game for XP?

IZ land mines fuel that is the basic of the Illuvium economy

[quasi horizon]

So just by having IZ open we're receiving airdrop points? In Overworld you have to keep moving or u dont get points correct? Too late, but it wouldve nice to give us points for blueprints found or fuel harvested or something

[opal thistle]

You need to be active in IZ to get points

[quasi horizon]

If we find blueprints do we get to mint them like the last season?

[quasi horizon]

K thanks

[opal thistle]

You will only get new BP when we go live, open release

[quasi horizon]

K thanks

[opal thistle]

Here are all governance changes regarding IZ
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[long frost]

Hello is there any website like illivitech to optimise our space in land ? 🙂 (i want to theory craft my buildings)

[grizzled cave]

Greetings, I need help and the thing is I own land, but in the role section, I'm only listed as a survivor and not as a landowner, and I think this might help me level up. how can I do it?

[timber sapphire]

#🎫〕verify-asset

Don't really think it will help leveling up tho, just talk in conversations

[grizzled cave]

Thank you my friend, you always helping a lot

[grizzled cave]

How can I level up my game? I would love to participate in competitions and various activities in Illuvium, earn more points, and achieve many other things. I enjoy this game and want to increase my activity.

[glacial acorn]

can i farm fuel in f2p plot?

[timber sapphire]

I'd focus on getting better jetpack and boots (not necessarily just convenient) then get the index capacitor drone upgrade so you can use at least 8 illuvials in your team, then get a gyro, it's the best t1 illuvial if you play a few other rogues too, makes it easy to win encounters. Maybe do a few t3 runs just for ores/shards and then collect from t1-3 runs to build a decent team. Then focus on holos/dark holo which give a ton of airdrop points atm

[dusky glacier]

what happen if i play zero and ow same time. 200 / h ?

[orchid isle]

I think

[opal thistle]

That is correct

[indigo coral]

👀

[lethal lichen]

Can u play illuvium zero if u don't own land yet?

[timber sapphire]

No

[fresh karma]

Парни кто нибудь сталкивался с проблемой: После подключения паспорта при авторизации в игру - идет бесконечная загрузка, кто знает как пофиксить?

[radiant sky]

#1023944295583076352

[upbeat drift]

so zero reseted after the blueprint mint?

didn t enter from then

[radiant sky]

no, it did not

[spare wadi]

This is IMX wallet addres right? And this is where i keep my blue prinnts ?

[vivid cipher]

Probably not. You would have had to transfer the blueprints to that imx passport account.

[vivid cipher]

Your land and blueprints are probably controlled by a metamask wallet that is used to operate an imx wallet.

[dusky glacier]

Thank you love

[spare wadi]

this one right?

[vivid cipher]

Probably

As long as it’s not a sandbox site then it’s on imx mainnet.

Like this

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/account/profile

[spare wadi]

thank you for the info

[lethal lichen]

Can free players play illuvium zero yet?

[pearl marten]

Not yet

[eager elk]

Is there more than 5 illuviums you can find with the scanner?

[vivid cipher]

Not yet.

[wary nacelle]

will be possible to get ressources for free?

[radiant sky]

no

[wary nacelle]

ok

[solar brook]

is itpossible to play zero on iOS at the moment?

[radiant sky]

No

[rose thicket]

Wow, ILV hit .001 BTC today, wicking down to a new all-time low for the pair. As I have been encouraging others to think through, the 95% (ILV) vs. 5% (ZERO) RevDis is immaterial if ILV continues to debase away. Hopefully, ILV becomes the first GameFi token ever to recover in a new bull cycle.

[mellow mural]

I haven't been here in a while, is there any reason to play illuvium zero now except to "practice"?

[radiant sky]

100AP/h played

[mellow mural]

Is there some article about? Dunno what is AP 😄

[radiant sky]

Airdrop points
#📣〕announcements message

[mellow mural]

Thanks

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[mellow mural]

And can I send my fuels to OW? Or I must buy fuels only?

[lunar axle]

Where do you see your airdrop points?

[opal thistle]

The team is working on the dashboard....ETA is June 30th

[gentle grove]

They could of made the token more value by using ilv to buy and sell fuel instead of eth

[rose thicket]

Agreed (glad its ETH). What do you think happens to ILV after all of the airdrops and unlocks?

BTW, ILV hit new ETH ATL as well today.

[gentle grove]

I believe it will never hit the ath again

[radiant sky]

#💰〕token

[rose thicket]

Apologies. Trying to encourage landowners that our NFTs might still have the best upside investment opportunity for this project. Most people have no idea how tokenomics play out.

[radiant sky]

with the ilv token down to below 70$ again, it's probably not the best time to advertise for zero 😄

[rose thicket]

Zero wins every time fiat capital is raised or airdrops rain down because our yield is in ETH. It is the token-holders who pay for it through debasement. If nobody ends up paying to play none of it will matter and NFTs will be the biggest losers.

[radiant sky]

if you sell/swap the currency you receive in your desired one as soon as you get it, it doesn't really matter what currency you receive right?
Best case you save some swap/sell fees.

[lunar axle]

What is ETA?

[blazing ferry]

Estimated Time of Arrival

[rose thicket]

As soon as you get revdis from ILV if you converted then yes. IMX will take 3%+ of your yield off the top or you pay gas to move to an exchange to swap. But like all other gamefi there will be staking / dao incentives to hodl ILV forever. 99.9% of crypyo is a melting ice cube of capital debasing 3x faster or more than USD vs BTC.

[opal thistle]

Estimated Time of Arrival

[opal thistle]

didn't see that.....thank you ser 🫡

[lunar axle]

Grazie 🙏🏼

[lunar axle]

Grazie 🙏🏼

[glacial python]

IZ should have something to win AP like change fuel or resources for AP. That 100/h thing doesnt make much sense. Sure in beggining maybe but in this phase with all max out, there is nothing to do

[opal thistle]

Is your f 2P land all maxed out? you could dvelop that one for points

[glacial python]

Didnt thought on that. Do we also earn points on that land?

[opal thistle]

Yes it's playtime points....only land owners have access to ANY land

[undone skiff]

Hi, i have been out of loop. What is the current state of Illuvium zero? Do we get token rewards now?

[subtle frost]

Man okay I guess I keep collecting

how to download Zero again on Android.. I have the old version it is asking me to download again

nevermind

I am download it

[wheat flare]

How should a good developed land look like?

[neat shuttle]

What is revdis? Everyone talks about it and i dont have a clue what it is

Is there any link between this game and the main open world/ tft like arena pvp when realized ? Has someone any information ....im thinking tô invest in land...but would love to know better about it, see good facts tô suport the ideia kk

[radiant sky]

?revdis

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Revenue Distribution

ICCP-3 Revenue Distribution Decisions aimed to ensure sustainable revenue distribution for the long-term operation of the DAO, and to provide clear expectations for $ILV stakers. Future product proposals should adhere to the relevant distribution definitions.

Summary:
For products with negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue will be distributed.
For products with non-negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue minus variable costs will be distributed.

For more detailed information, please read the full ICCP: https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/0x245e440c3b517a0b7a7ff11c2c038cfd96c503ab9cbf3e593bd8d7c73cd07fae

[nova epoch]

[radiant sky]

Check out pins

[tall crypt]

Does anyone know, to only benefit from the airdrop by playing Illuvium Zero, you have to open an Epic Games account. Another question, a long time ago they promised us a scoreboard with the airdrop points, have they implemented it? Or were they one of those promises that are not fulfilled?

[cerulean field]

dashboard eta end of june

[tardy mortar]

anyone have a number of structures needed/guide for IZ?

[sudden zinc]

Need one invite at Hamster Kombat!! Who wants to help me?? 🙏🙏🙏

So I share my code, just hop in, even if no interest to play…🤣

[radiant sky]

Dangerous mate 🙃
#✍〕rules

[sudden zinc]

That’s why I am asking!!! And not sharing without asking..🤗

[sage jacinth]

gm, I was off the market for a while. I'm a land owner since mint and havent done anything ever since... what shall I do now?

I even don't know where to find my wallet.. the interface changed a lot

[subtle frost]

What do we have to do in order to get airdrop points with Zero?

do the points for Zero and Overworld combine together for the airdrop? I am having a difficult time to find where that information is

[radiant sky]

Probably because there's not really Info public about Zero.
They just said you can play the old build and earn 100AP/h played

[subtle frost]

really...

100AP per hour?

dang

so I can earn 2,400 AP per day

what is considered playing? I mean all I do is collect

[radiant sky]

Unknown

[radiant sky]

Yea, but thats not really a Lot 😄

[subtle frost]

oh okay

[nova epoch]

been playing like crazy for the past 2 weeks

[subtle frost]

the most is playing overworld

and ? what is the result?

What do you have to do to guarantee airdrop

[radiant sky]

If you know what to do in ow, you can earn 50k-100k in Like 8-10h

[subtle frost]

as long as you play you get airdrop?

[nova epoch]

correct

[subtle frost]

you don't need to get to top 500 to get airdrop okay

[radiant sky]

Si senor

[subtle frost]

thanks

is it only overworld, zero and arena

get air drop?

what about beyond?

[radiant sky]

Beyond already live... No need to incentivize testing it

[subtle frost]

okay

Arena also is another way? I have never played arena. other then within beyond

I mean within overworld

[nova epoch]

I've gone from not knowing how to play AT ALL to this lol. It's pretty fun tbh. A combat element would be cool, one day.

[subtle frost]

overworld

[radiant sky]

No, Arena also just 100AP/h played, Like zero

[subtle frost]

wow.. combat within Zero?

are we building armies

[radiant sky]

So you didn't Make any Progress?

Just joking 😂

[nova epoch]

not in the slightest lol

[subtle frost]

man.. are we still trying to find blueprints?

or there are no more blueprints other then collecting and upgrading resources

and silos

[radiant sky]

Naa, BP minting window was in February.
It's closed now

[subtle frost]

the BP are worth a lot now

tons

and tons

[radiant sky]

Zero probably just gets AP, so landowners didn't rant when testnet went live 😄
No need to test anything

[subtle frost]

oh. we do get it

do we have to leave the game on?

[radiant sky]

Unknown

[subtle frost]

just give us Zero owners free points baby

we have invested

😄

just give me 1 point a sec for being nice

[nova epoch]

no they have a system that will stop calculating time after 15min of inactivity. So it will probably be really difficult to get a lot of AP with Zero... which sucks 😦

[ancient olive]

Is there any scholarship system for zero at launch? What is @noble quest gonna do with all his land?

[radiant sky]

That's for OW
Nobody knows time for zero

[nova epoch]

they mentioned that it was for zero also

[radiant sky]

You have a link?
Never saw that

[nova epoch]

looking. I swear I read this somewhere. Apologies if I'm wrong

[radiant sky]

So, if everyone stays logged in 24/7 and do 1 Click per Day, we all get free points 🎉

[broken roost]

i mean it takes anyone 5 minutes to gather 24x100 points in overworld anyway

congratz on the bountys yesterday btw

[indigo cloak]

Does anyone know when Zero will be reset? Will it be the same day as Overworld or will it be early so people can start generating fuel?

[radiant sky]

They said Launch is AT the Same time as ow

[fathom burrow]

do we really get 2400 points for 1 click a day?

[opal thistle]

No, there is activity check

[fathom burrow]

I thought so, but we still dont know how much activity we need, OW is 15 min

[radiant sky]

Unlikely 😂

[vivid cipher]

You need to be playing the game. If you aren’t playing then you aren’t gonna get points for time playing.

[little moon]

I captured this guy and didn't even know it was a dark holo....

how do we recognize a dark holo...... it doesn't have any mark like holo ones have

[amber rune]

are we live?

[radiant sky]

no, ser

[amber rune]

oh...is it just beta ?

[radiant sky]

no, ser
it's alpha

[noble quest]

A third party is working on it. We didn't have the bandwidth internally.

[random siren]

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[lethal lichen]

As a free player your land makes resources can u ever go to the tier 1 zone free or is it not possible

[little moon]

Ok, I see it in this image. But the one I captured doesn't have that dark Holo logo. Only the attribute on Illuvidex says so.

[lethal lichen]

As a free player your land makes resources can u ever go to the tier 1 zone free or is it not possible ever would love to know sorry for messaging a fee times would like a response

[opal thistle]

The illuvidex UI is being worked on and you can't see their holografic attributes but you can see them ingame

[radiant sky]

For now, Land free2play doesn't create assets you can sell.

[true rampart]

im so mad XD

the floor is bugged and its showing sold lands as still listed

i bridged eth and now im missing some ...

[vivid cipher]

What did you use to bridge?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah IlluviDex is getting some work still.

[true rampart]

no i mean i bridged so i can buy 2 lands on the dot

but then i saw the listing is a bug so i didnt have enought to but the 2nd land so i had to bridge again XD

luckly gwei is like 5

[vivid cipher]

Ah ok. Yeah it’s annoying

[lethal lichen]

@radiant sky I'm more wandering can it make the tiniest bit of fuel to go to the 1st stage

Evan just once a week

More wondering if there is a point to Evan play when it's released as a free to play

[radiant sky]

No, f2p won't earn you anything.
Would be Run over by bots and destroy the whole economy

[dark tide]

is there something to do in iluvium zero atm?

[vivid cipher]

Nothing specific no. But you can play for points. 100 points for 1hr playing.

[whole stirrup]

Hey all, I havent really been following IZ since we could mint the 15 blueprints. Can anyone debrief me on what this new phase is about? Worth playing or it will get reset again?

ohh, actually my lands have not been reset yet?

[whole stirrup]

What are these pts for?

[toxic cargo]

guys a question do you know what the big square in the middle of a land tier 3 is?

[vivid cipher]

Two articles about playing Illuvium for airdrop points

https://illuvium.io/news/openbeta-testnet-airdrop-points-explained

https://illuvium.io/news/expanded-airdrop-points-in-the-open-beta-testnet

[vivid cipher]

It’s the landmark.

[vivid cipher]

It’s literally nothing. Just play for time. You could manually reset. But there’s been no change. Just now you can earn points for the airdrop

[whole stirrup]

Cool thanks. Can we still mint blueprints or nah?

[vivid cipher]

No

[ocean temple]

.

[leaden sun]

We cant earn AP on land yet can we?

[reef echo]

is there a new version of zero out, I got a log in failed

[vivid cipher]

you can play zero for points. 100 points for 1hr playing.

[vivid cipher]

Not very new.

[leaden sun]

Really?!? I was under the impression it was when open beta happened

Maybe I missed something..

@vivid cipherI havnt checked yet but has land reset? And if not theres not much to do each 8hrs plus when your land is maxed

[vivid cipher]

Maybe. Can’t remember if there was something more than this article. https://illuvium.io/news/openbeta-testnet-airdrop-points-explained

[vivid cipher]

Not reset. But you can press the reset button.

[leaden sun]

My points is as you stated above you need to "play" the land , when it gets to a certain point there is a long time between doing anything is this still considered "Playing"

[vivid cipher]

Correct.

As you are aware,
Zero is not a very time consuming game.

Though you could keep tapping away to collect passive stuff from convertors.

[leaden sun]

So lets say I log in and collect fuel etc from the day before s thats all I can do, Does that count for 1 hr playtime or 24?

[vivid cipher]

Certainly not 24 hours by tapping once or twice.

As long as you do something in the game it’ll keep counting time.

[leaden sun]

Thanks for the replies I appreciate it @vivid cipher I am a bit annoyed I didnt realise we could play for points already...

[opal thistle]

Sorry to hear that but it was in the airdrop articles. Maybe it could have been a bit more clear

[feral ginkgo]

iff the land will also reset once the mainnet who will source the fuel first??

[broken roost]

DAO

[feral ginkgo]

Thankss

[toxic cargo]

which means the reference point ?

[leaden sun]

@vivid cipher Do you get AP for each plot you own? So if you have 2 you get 200 AP per her hour?

[vivid cipher]

No

There is no multiplier.

[feral ginkgo]

@vivid cipher I wish there will be chart on Fuel onces the mainnet is Up to low the ATH and ATL

Same on each Equipment Illuvial ,etc

[vivid cipher]

Give that feedback to the devs. Press B in the overworld game or submit on the support site.

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Support

If you need assistance or wish to report a bug, we're here to help! Visit our Help Center at http://link.illuvium.io/support for comprehensive support resources.

For personalized assistance, chat with m0z4rt in the bottom-right corner. Our virtual assistant, m0z4rt, will try to resolve your query, and if needed, connect you directly with the support team.

Additionally, for bug reports or crashes specifically in Illuvium: Arena and Illuvium: Overworld, please use the in-game reporter. This can be opened by pressing 'B' within the game, allowing you to directly report issues from within the game.

[bitter glade]

So I told you guys last week that there was a change coming, and I would update you on that. Basically, as we have been gathering feedback we've seen that the blueprint system, and more specifically the skins, have not been done optimally. The current idea is that you research blueprints and they give you a TYPE of Illuvial with a TYPE of Suit. (type means a line + stage combo. For example Atlas is a type)

The problem here is when someone goes to upgrade their suit, there are some edge cases that are unideal such as deciding 'do you get to keep your skin' which would not be good for blueprint holders because there would be less demand for higher stage suits) or do you NOT get to keep the skin, in which case it's bad for the Overworld player (or any other game). There are other options but none are great.

So the result is that we think fewer people will want the suit skins, which means that there will be less demand for blueprints.

The solution is to change the way blueprints work and are researched slightly. Instead of researching a TYPE of suit, you will just research the LINE. This means that the blueprint will just be for a suit, not a particular stage of suit. You might think 'but that means less things to research' and that's true, but as above, it probably will result in more demand which will offset the exclusivity.

The good news is that due to a great idea from the community, eventually we will be able to get back that lost stuff in the form of holo and dark holo skins. The system would function in the same way. You research the LINE, and then if you research it again, the next time you'll get the HOLO version.

This way the number of things to research will be identical, and could even go up with time, while also having more demand and a better experience for Overworld player, and any other game.

This extra stuff will take some time so won't be available at launch, but it will be high on the list. It's a quick win and we hope something that you guys will really enjoy.

We will also use this more extensible system to offer less fancy skins, and will help us to make sure that Illuvium: zero is where most cosmetics come from. Obviously it's not the only place, since we will always give rewards for doing other things, but the vast majority should come from Zero.

[lost walrus]

Hmmm.... Thanks for the info

[pearl marten]

Hey Aaron,
Thank you for the updates.

So I have a few questions just to make sure I understand correctly:

1. So the problem is basically if I buy a skin (Atlas let’s say) from the marketplace for my Arcane Plating Stage 1 then I won’t be able to use the same skin if I want to craft an Arcane Plating Stage 3?

2. The proposed solution would make the Atlas skin that i bought, available for all stages of the Arcane Plating but not for OTHER type of suit such as let’s say Graviton Sash – correct?

3. The line of the illuvials would still be in place right? I mean this change doesn’t translate in if you researched Atlas you can now craft also Axon and Axodon skins

[bitter glade]

Correct on all points. Illuvial research is still TYPE based. Atlas and Axon are separate because you upgrade the suit stage, not the illuvial.

We have vfx in place to make Axodon more cool than Atlas.

[pearl marten]

Awesome. Yep i can see the issue you raised and overall i think it's a good compromise by adding the Holo and Dark Holo versions.

At the moment I can't think of any 'bad' things that the changes to the system would bring (more questions might come later 🙂 ) - i'm very happy we get the Holo and Dark Holo options for blueprints and i want to thank you for making it happen. I think it adds great value to lands and some strategy also where one would have to 'sacrifice' a fuel production space/plot for BP research space or BP focused plots.

[pearl marten]

Also, after launch the research we manage to make, until this update to the system will take place, will be saved? For ex if a manage to research and get the Arcane Plating stage 1 BP will this automatically translate as having all stages after the update?

[steady oriole]

Thanks Aaron! Will the skins offer any additional stats to the user? Like extra health or grit?

[bitter glade]

Yes. But the suits names are changing so it will be different suit name.

[bitter glade]

Absolutely not.

And the suits are much cooler. So that’s a plus.

[pearl marten]

Awesome!
I have 2 more questions - if you can give us some details that would be great:

1. Do we have any updates for Megacities - mostly regarding timings after launch or any other things related?
2. Will the MC development have priority vs BP research system? As this could push MC even more

[steady oriole]

Ok cool, any particular reason why? Maybe I’m missing something but that would definitely increase demand and suit value and therefore revenue for the studio?

[bitter glade]

1. Not today.
2. No. This is a tiny change and needs to be done pre launch or you’ll have bad NFTs.

[bitter glade]

Because then it’s super pay to win. We don’t want people beholden to Landholders to be able to win games.

[pearl marten]

Okay got it.
I'll check in at a later date then 😄

Thank you for the updates!

[radiant sky]

For sure the right decision, now people also put skins on low stage items and can enjoy their skins as soon as they got their very first gear if they want to. I really love that.
For sure tough task for art departement for making skins distinguishable and make not all holo skins look the same. (GL Rogier 😄 )
Super curious to see how those likely very expensive DH skins are going to sell in the market.

Wdym with "we will also use this more extensible system to offer less fancy skins..."? i don't really get it 😄
Do you expect the H/DH skins to be live sometime in set 1?

[steady oriole]

One more question, are skins going to be visible in more than just OW? I think part of the attraction for skins in games is to see and be seen, ya know?

[radiant sky]

yes they should be visible in all games.

[sudden zinc]

In the meantime I understand only „trainstation“ as we say in Germany…🤣

[quasi horizon]

Are able to mint blueprints and keep them during the play to airdrop?

[bitter glade]

We can make non illuvial skins. Things like “gold” or whatever.

[bitter glade]

Yes.

[pseudo pulsar]

put the lotion on the skin

[lost walrus]

What about our current blueprints

[tame pine]

Hi! Somebody can explain me what Zero Point Transducer do?

[iron token]

how can i check my point for playing zero?

[radiant sky]

you can't

[iron token]

oh ok Thank you👍

[viral star]

This is good. Doesn’t really solve the main problem that it’s basically a race to zero in terms of competition to offer skins.

We need land to offer more customization earned those competitive options.

Top land owners can earn the rights to mint a custom skin a 1 of 1 only they can mint as long as the own the land.

Things like that.

Allow for partnerships with streamers like fortnight ect

—- top land owner can partner with the Ninja of illuvium

Or ninja

—-
Also fuse blue prints to get rarest versions.

Where you have to sacrifice all mint able skins to be able to mint the currently rarest skin on a rotating basis like with illuvitars.

Teir out that system with different levels.

Mega city with all possible blueprints and in top percentage of production gets rarest skin.

—-
Make land a culture hub as well.

In short.

All in favor say aye.

[bitter glade]

My opinion is the there is always going to be a limit. Allowing cool things is one thing. But we’ve had landholders in the past say what has to happen and often they are completely unreasonable demands.

[viral star]

Landowners (token and nft holders too), and the team have, at times, been unreasonable or inconsistent. We are learning in real time how to work together.

anyway

think it's a cool idea. I've given up trying to make any individual idea happen. Simply offering this idea up to the gods

If it permeates your mind, perhaps it will happen to the right degree.

---

Think it would be extremely cool to consider ways to gamify customizable skin creation via land gameplay to create additional revenue streams for landowners, and the dao.

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In the scenario where we need/want transaction volume to be the biggest driver of revenue, developing high-quality and rare skins effectively should be part of the road map, it seems. The only way to do that would be to make creating them very difficult and risky for landowners to earn so that fewer (in some cases only 1) landowners own the blueprint and can properly control the supply. Creating a marketplace where attention holders (influencers/guilds and landowners) can operate well to create demand and high prices. which when traded will benefit the dao.

[bitter glade]

Im open to all ideas. What Im less open to is being told many things that “have” to happen across all the games, when all those things are mutually exclusive.

[viral star]

I agree, not trying to do that here fwiw

I'll try to add possible idea nuance to my takes in the future, it's just easier to write like it's the best idea, but we can be better