🎮〕illuvium-zero

[dusky bough]

thank you

[broken roost]

Since you asked
''why they are so important? is those 3 fuels are what powers the economy in illuvium. Any sort of actions like travelling, or curing of shards, or crafting requires that fuel. And, again, this is not a situation where someone can purchase it from a random pool or whatever, it is only generated from owning illuvium land, and so, thats why its so important.''

Cant post link but here's the part. I dont think there is much lingo or promo language like pelican said, neither that its obviously wrong #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

ahh i see, what was said contradicts the flow diagram tho
theres an arrow coming from the "....vault" to the "generate fuel"

[broken roost]

nice catch!

[broken roost]

Don't get me wrong i get it, the project changed, plans changed, its ok we are all over that. What i don't appreciate is people saying ''it was obvious'' or ''you should've expected this or that, this is web3, nfts volatile etc.'' like we are some kind of dumb subspecies for expecting one thing or the other.

In that same video minutes after he says he expects Zero to launch in about 3 to 4 weeks. Again, plans changed i get it. Now don't expect Zero chat to be all rainbows and colors after that, its been two years of delays and people are understandably upset, specially when we get hit with yet another delay when we were hoping to play weeks before OB, which of course wont happen. So its really not that hard to imagine that the team member who is a link between landowners and the dao will be eventually worn out after 2 years of having to listen to people having their expectations not met. Next thing i see is the team coming to this chat blaming and pointing fingers at the community for causing this.

That said, im happy bout the general state of the game, overworld improved A LOT and arena seems it will be quite addictive eventually and i really look forward to playing both. I'm not trying to be the classic all negative or pessimistic point of view, but i do thinks some things need to be cleared, and one is Zero needs some love and its getting quite the opposite reaction

[barren berry]

whats the title of the vid?

[nova epoch]

if ace flies over archie while archie's doing his omega, he won't be stunned, right?

[radiant sky]

Actually don't know, maybe ask in:
#🎮〕illuvium-arena na
#🎮〕illuvium-overworld

[tawny pilot]

I have a question, if i own a land i can farm fuel now? For use it when mainnet start?

[vivid cipher]

No. Not yet.

[tawny pilot]

[broken roost]

Illuvial Training Gyms for Illuvium Zero already got 2 positive votes 💪

that would be really cool to have

[barren berry]

Well, I didn't know that now the landowners only produce 5%, and it doesn't sound good, I bought my T3s thinking that the landowners would produce all the fuel, not just 5%.

[radiant sky]

Many did that

[barren berry]

Listening to it at first glance, I could say that I even feel cheated

I understand the risks of leaving everything to the free market and that it could create barriers in the short term for the game, but leaving only 5% of the production? sounds like just an excuse to make a more aggressive play

[broken roost]

damn, thats even worse

sorry to hear that

[radiant sky]

Newest vid doesntt help (3weeks old) keeping interested people aware IZ just produces 5%
https://youtu.be/sNSPBkwYWOA?si=eOgC3uz9vldH9FPK

[barren berry]

Was there any announcement? where did all this come from? Sorry if I'm a little out of context.

[radiant sky]

Was Like that since the very beginning, but you have to read IIP's to be aware of it.
Don't think it got mentioned anywhere in vocal marketing

[barren berry]

Here doesn't mention anything about the 5%

[radiant sky]

I know

As i said, it doesn't help AT all that people understand how it works with he fuel economy.

[barren berry]

are you saying that the 5% production was the rule always?

Sorry my english is not my main leng

[radiant sky]

"what you need to know about fuel"
"Explained"
But it's basically a shill ad letting one think IZ produces all the fuel

[radiant sky]

Yes

[lyric hamlet]

Are we still alive here? I check in like once a week to see if there is anything new

[barren berry]

Weird

[vivid cipher]

Yeah there’s probably a potential governance proposal you should read. Hang on….

#1237926169756696628 message

[gentle grove]

When is open beta

[gentle grove]

Thanks spoon can always count on u with the info

[dusky bough]

what does eternal spring boost?

[subtle frost]

I'll just wait for Open Beta. I don't even have time to play right now because of IRL work

I wish I can just sit and play

is Open Beta so soon?

May 28th?

or is it going to be delayed..

[subtle frost]

when can i buy Tier 5

[radiant sky]

May 28 is open Beta testnet
No date for mainnet yet

[subtle frost]

oh okay.. so basically for us small potato land owners, we have to wait for open beta mainnet

which is an unknown time

got it

[dusky bough]

so its bad to have halogenic geode if i only have 1 lake or?

[radiant sky]

We don't know when Zero is going live.
There is an iip ongoing for bring it live for open Beta with cutting down features
#1237926169756696628 message

[subtle frost]

So there is no point in playing my land right now right?

[dusky bough]

nvm made deal of my life guys

[radiant sky]

Probably not ideal
But to be honest, t3 landmark isn't that important anyways, since there is no Element sink for lategame implemented yet

[subtle frost]

what deal

[dusky bough]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/23889

got it for 2.3e

[radiant sky]

Congrats

[subtle frost]

T4?

[dusky bough]

yes

[subtle frost]

whao

I have T2 and T3 land

T4 land is amazing

congrats

[dusky bough]

thx

[subtle frost]

how many land you have now?

[dusky bough]

its my first

[subtle frost]

Wow

first land you get T4

how much are T4 going for nowadays

[dusky bough]

dk

[subtle frost]

people minted for 16.4 ETH

LOL

near your place

wow

you got it for 1/8th

of the price

[dusky bough]

the good thing about mine is

[barren turtle]

DEAL!!!!! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[dusky bough]

that all close lands have the resource i boost aswell

[subtle frost]

man.. Land price dropped a ton

[dusky bough]

yeah

[radiant sky]

High Tier getting rekt.
Which was kinda to be expected with Alpha season 1 😐

[ancient nacelle]

It's passed ICC. Now just waiting for the main council vote.

[tall crypt]

ji ji ji.Have You 10M$?

[remote rampart]

i want to buy a piece of land but i only have 600 in eth what would be a good choice because i have no idea i

[broken roost]

if i were you i'd look for the one with the most varied elemets, and perhaps one that is not located near the edges of the map, so that it has the potential to become a mega city

[remote rampart]

so like one of each

thanks

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[sterile raven]

Is Illuvium zero on testnet?

[vivid cipher]

No

[tawny pilot]

So the idea is that Overworld Beta Mainnet and Zero will be at the same time? And then you can start to produce fuel for overworld?

[radiant sky]

Thats the idea of the proposal, yes

[tawny pilot]

Thanks you

[vast roost]

Guys with only 5% fuel production, will land owners ever ROI? Only if the game is played by millions i guess?

[tawny pilot]

Sorry, one more question, the progress of the land will restart with mainnet too no? Like Overworld

[hearty cradle]

eventually

maybe

[radiant sky]

Yes

[radiant sky]

Depends how much revenue 😄
You can just make assumptions with simple maths like for example if revenue will be 10m a month:

(If every plot would build the Same ratio of fuel/bp/dye prod and all ilv are staked)

[vast roost]

Wow that doesn't look promising lol

10m a month is a lot

[humble arrow]

The lands are doomed from the start and there will be no income. I shouldn't have bought them

[tawny pilot]

But this is the 5% of the sales that they share with land owners no? And you also have the fuel that you produce in your lands or i’m wrong?

[iron veldt]

i need to play ilv for the next 100 years for my ROI then

sounds doable

[timber sapphire]

No its the fuel

[hearty cradle]

even at this price, land is still overvalued vs token

wait, thats monthly revenue not daily?

so T1 need 100 months to break even if we make $10m/month?????

[timber sapphire]

That doesn't sound right

[vast roost]

Haha that sounds really bad

10 years to breakeven a 500 dollar investment

And that is at 10m revenue a month?

[hearty cradle]

not expecting $10m/month rev tbh

ILV eligible for revdis is a lot less than 9.6m tho

[hearty cradle]

i just checked, the calculation is correct
this is the BEP

T3 is currently underpriced

[timber sapphire]

Yikes

[iron veldt]

yeah, playing 5 years for a ROI - feels like a steal

🤣

[timber sapphire]

If only we only already played for 2 years

[hearty cradle]

its not about the money, its about the fun, right?

[iron veldt]

This is the main problem ^^

[iron veldt]

It’s about the rug

[hearty cradle]

bro gonna get battlecry'd

[iron veldt]

haha 😂

this is a word now for being sad about ilv zero

and removed

[boreal mantle]

is he removed?

[hearty cradle]

he got muted for a week and left the server

[timber sapphire]

Oh that's why its so quiet

[hearty cradle]

quick hide the calculation before he comes back

[boreal mantle]

ah damn, he was often over the top but still very active and engaging 🤝

[bitter phoenix]

I don’t think we need to dwell on drama

[timber sapphire]

He was already pissed his t1 couldnt sustain his runs now this...

[hearty cradle]

remember the assumption is $10m/month

[vast roost]

Guys honest question.. if people feel so bad about zero and roi doesn't seem to be happening, why is a T4 still 15k?

[hearty cradle]

i guess we all gonna be BFF

[iron veldt]

But to be honest, i also thought that a t1 land should be enough to sustain runs in the OW

[timber sapphire]

No it never was that was known before

[hearty cradle]

why a jpeg of an primate still 14e?

[timber sapphire]

Depends on how much you want to use ofcourse

[iron veldt]

But a game that needs more than a 1500$ investment in a land. Sounds weird for me

[hearty cradle]

not in web3

[iron veldt]

sad truth

web3 devs think that everyone can spend millions a day

[hearty cradle]

otherdeeds was 8e

[hearty cradle]

the assumption is made based on axie

[iron veldt]

i am not that sad, got lucky with cheap buys in ILV

but i feel so sad for everyone here in zero

the guys that minted land, must be really hard

[hearty cradle]

i minted land with silv2 and sold in eth, i made profit

[iron veldt]

But i also read from many people that they hodled their lands, because they believed in Illuvium Zero

but when i see now the monthly output for lands - the nerf for the blueprints - the delay…etc etc

feels bad

[hearty cradle]

land just need more utility

[boreal mantle]

I'll just hold my land for the long run. Just hoping Illuvium keeps sticking around another 20years

[timber sapphire]

20 is a stretch, I'm happy with 10

[iron veldt]

Thanks that you are strong for us as a council

[humble arrow]

1 month after start.

[ocean haven]

yea land was exit liquidity for token stakers, thats all

[tawny pilot]

What amount of crypton can a T1 land make per day? I want to know if it give me the necesary for runs🥺

[timber sapphire]

They could still change the balance so I would wait for new build

But I wouldn't count a t1 will sustain for runs, maybe supplement for a bit

[tawny pilot]

Thanks a lot

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/subrote-hobbit-lord-of-the-rings-youre-welcome-no-problem-gif-22019683

[turbid veldt]

Hey maybe it is in the chat earlier, I just wanna ask if we know the exact date to darm fuels, that is legit and can be sold

[timber sapphire]

No date yet

[barren turtle]

You are correct. On initial launch, the DAO will create fuel out of thin air (marketed at top rail), and that’s our share…. Until landowners can support the economy on our own…. Which you keep

[barren turtle]

Depends…. About 200-240. But you can’t use your fuel for OW. You have to put it on the market from IZ, then log into OW and buy fuel from market.

[tawny pilot]

Okey, thanks for the explanation

[native spade]

hey guys anything new for illuvium Zero?

can we earn now or still no

[versed warren]

Theres no way right

[barren turtle]

Not yet homie.🤙🏽

I believe:
PB4 test net ends May 28
Then OB test net ends TBD
Then land RESET… and we can sell fuel…. I’m hoping July or August.

[tribal blaze]

The timing for the actual launch of illuvium zero has been so much slower than I was expecting when I bought land. That was almost 2 years ago now, and we still don’t have a time estimate 🤨

[radiant sky]

It is actually based on the theoretical fuel values they had with the original ratio of 1:4:12:36:120(T1:T2:T3:T4:T5).
If you type in the fuel ratios we currently have in Alpha S1 it looks bit different:

[hearty cradle]

so the ratio is actually different

[radiant sky]

yes

and it will change again for beta, they said

[hearty cradle]

so T1 is actually not bad

can u explain how

buildings?

[radiant sky]

how what?

[hearty cradle]

how the actual ratio is different than just calculating the number of fuel nodes?

[radiant sky]

converters f the numbers up

[hearty cradle]

if i remember correctly its temp to let T1 play faster?

[hearty cradle]

when i played a very long time ago, the converter was more efficient than extractor

oh it still is

yea that dont make sense at all

violate the law of thermodynamics

[radiant sky]

no, as team member stated there's other stuff considering if it comes to value, like less klicks on a t4 than on multiple t1, and you can build up t4 faster.
So they said they had to cut down total fuel output to keep the value ratio of the dutch auction functioning.
So that's not intended to change after some time.

They said it was too harsh and they will target a bit higher for high tiers... can't remember exactly what number they target, but i remember i thought it's still f up 😄

[hearty cradle]

T1 for example, how does it make sense that u get 10x fuel from converters than an actual fuel node

whats the lore

and how come T2 only produce almost 2x as much as T1?

the price was 3x

[barren turtle]

Was…. It seemed to balance itself out.

[hearty cradle]

rip who minted?

[radiant sky]

you have to spend less time (klicks) and you build t2 faster than a t1.... Therefore cutdown in fuel output

i argued like almost 1 year with johnny 😄

[hearty cradle]

but at the end its all the same

at some point they all gonna max out, plus u can buy speed ups

[radiant sky]

yep

[hearty cradle]

im sorry but that just dont make sense

people minted based on the number fuel nodes, not the number of clicls

the fewer clicks on T2 is given, u paid more

[radiant sky]

found the latest post about that...
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

u ok with that?

[radiant sky]

no

[hearty cradle]

why would i care about future buildings (functions)
they should deliver the fuel amount first, THEN offer additional benefit

the ratio of fuel output should follow the dutch auction, no matter what

[radiant sky]

absolutely

won't give up on that.

[hearty cradle]

im prob wrong here, but im guessing this is an example of selling a product and figuring it out as they go

lol im getting worked up and i dont own a plot

https://tenor.com/view/worstdealever-gif-23135064

[pearl marten]

Honestly don't even want to join the discussion again, although you guys are right

It all comes to IF and what can be done. If we come up with proposals giving land more stuff/utility etc we are greedy... if we try to modify some parameters of past IIPs we are asking for too much.. if we raise concerns and ask questions we're complaining or we're toxic..
At least that's the feeling i had after recent events

[hearty cradle]

fuel is the most basic revenue of IZ. it must be upheld based on dutch auction price difference, which was largery based on fuel nodes

its not about being greedy, its about making it right

[pearl marten]

It's not ..but if you look into most land proposals there are countless people stating that (greed) and it's almost always the 'it's web3.. all investments had risks etc etc you have to deal with it..stop complaining'

[hearty cradle]

im so mad rn

u know what lets do an IIP to fix this. This is just unacceptable

how are we going to sell more plots if we cant even take care of our existing investors

[mortal mural]

What are we talking about? I’ve been under the weather last few days

[barren turtle]

I have no idea, but Jaganite is fired up!!! And I’m getting ready to jump in the dog fight with no clue!!!!😂😂😂

[radiant sky]

lol

[hearty cradle]

thats what i do best

https://tenor.com/view/dune-part-2-part-two-paul-atreides-gif-3004313211967113463

[mortal mural]

That’s why he is community goat

[hearty cradle]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

basically T2 only produces 1.7 as much fuel as T1, while the starting dutch auction price was 3x

[barren turtle]

My vote is boost all tier production. And just hope there’s a ton of players, and WAY MORE advertising!!!

[barren turtle]

Are they working on balancing that?

[mortal mural]

Isn’t this subject to change? Like it’s gonna change for sure.

[mortal mural]

Isn’t this changin with new updates

[radiant sky]

yea they target ratio of t1:T4 of 1:15
which is still far from t1:t4 of 1:36

[barren turtle]

I am not sure they’re obligated to balance it…. If they advertised the percentage boost and Fuel sites prior to auction….. seems legit. But it would be an act of good faith if they did. It would be a simple code change:
EG:
T1 100%
T2 200%
T3 500%
T4 1000%
….. or something

[radiant sky]

it was almost the only thing they could advertise at that time

• Production boost
• Number of fuel and element sites
• Landmarks
• Blueprint production
• (MC in future... basically nothing sure about that one)

[mortal mural]

What ratios is community looking for? 1:4 jumps from tier to tier?

[radiant sky]

keep it close to the advertised ratios... 1:4:12:36

but thats more or less me and 3-4 others

[barren turtle]

FYI: the ratio will change if you’re farming fuel or playing all aspects

[radiant sky]

most community people wana buff t1 😄

[barren turtle]

But of course

[radiant sky]

yea obviously everybody looking for his own bag 🤷🏻

[barren turtle]

I got 4 T2’s…. I’m happy with the Tier ratio….. but with the low fuel prices and 19:1 DAU…. They need to buff all of them to make it worth playing

[mortal mural]

lol. We can’t go by most people this case. I don’t have any t4 but that would be heavily biased vote

[hearty cradle]

the vote power should be based tiers

just saying

[burnt merlin]

Do we know if Zero is going to be live and generating fuel to keep and put on marketplace when Open Beta hits?

[radiant sky]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1237926169756696628

[barren turtle]

Not at first…. It will be an Open Beta Testnet….. -after that land resets and we’re live

[mortal mural]

What was the rationale to target 1:15?

[radiant sky]

changed a bit as time progressed.
That was the latest one if i'm right:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

Lets do it

[pearl marten]

Also what it would seem reasonable and right to me is not having an ROI of 40-80 months...
But whenever we even mentioned about the 5% margin being too low there was serious push back from all sides

[pearl marten]

Let's

[barren turtle]

The problem with that, is the voting power is held by the those who are receiving the 95%….it will be next to impossible to get that changed.

[hearty cradle]

i dont think changing the 5% is likely

[pearl marten]

So i guess the 5% being raised is out of the question. That leaves us with more utility or sources in which land can produce something valuable from the start (not like MCs which got screwed.. or blueprints that got screwed also)

[hearty cradle]

for example, skins only comes from BP

[barren turtle]

The only leverage land owners have, is that if we don’t play, there will be no economy….. which got smashed when they voted in IIP-39 to create fuel out of thin air so they could release the game before IZ because it wasn’t ready.

[hearty cradle]

perks of owning plot in OW
+capture rate of certain illuvials based on your plot
+encounter rate

more efficient energy?

imagine owning a plot in crimson, and getting perks in crimson runs

[pearl marten]

I also had an idea(but dropped it) ..
I was thinking that it would be cool for a way to try and get Illuvials on your plot. Just like you are 'capturing' illuvials for biodata - you get to keep them if you want to (or kill/destroy them for biodata)
So once every 24h, just like it is now, when the scanners find an illuvial you would have the option to keep it.
Nothing else needs to change or be developed extra

[iron laurel]

No, the biggest leverage land owners have is the DAO wants to sell 80,000 more plots. If land isn't worth anything they will lose miss out on a lot of revenue. If we get players in Arena/OW and landowners are boasting about how great it is to hold land then the next land sale could be absolutely huge.

[pearl marten]

This could work yep

[barren turtle]

True….. however @noble quest stated he didn’t want to have another land-sale. Which is awesome for us if the economy is balanced well.

I don’t know if you guys played “BIGTIME”…. But it was a crappy game that made tons of money at first then tanked because the economy wasn’t balanced well

[iron laurel]

For now they don't want to have one. They want to have one in the future, if it would bring in a lot of money.
I agree the economy needs to be balanced well though and that is a tricky thing to do.

I didn't play BIGTIME what was the biggest error they made?

[radiant sky]

Totally agree, it's the only leverage.
Everybody wana see land value increase... landholders and stakers.

But won't be huge, according to iip-39 there will be lots of mini landsales 😄
Already writing IIP to change that, so it's gona be possible again to make a huge marketing event with big sale value in bull market.
Landsale was lot of fun and intense, still not clear to me why they changed that.

[barren turtle]

Server issues, Influx of players, Silent patches, economy imbalances….. it’s not profitable anymore to invest

[iron laurel]

I agree, I prefer the idea of a bigger landsale and a big marketing event again. It doesn't even have to be as large as the last.

I would own a lot less land if there hadn't been the big land sale. It was partly the fun of the event and the lack of sleep, setting my alarm to go off to get my city, that led to me owning as many plots as I do.🤣

[barren turtle]

How much land you got?

[radiant sky]

as far as i remember it was super positive feedback from everyone

[iron laurel]

I bought 7 plots during land sale, 1 city and 3 other plots. Then I won 2 plots. So, 9 in total.

[dusky copper]

how did u win the 2 plots ? XD

[iron laurel]

A Kieran trivia contest and a Rich Christmas contest. 🙂

[radiant sky]

won a t1 in kieran trivia too 🙂

[dusky copper]

when was that ?

[radiant sky]

long time ago

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-rose-dewitt-bukater-gloria-stuart-titanic-its-been-a-long-time-gif-16854688

[iron laurel]

2022

[pearl marten]

Same here actually 😄

@whole spear wen land giveaway trivia again? 🤣

[hearty cradle]

big time economist was ours (khaled)

[barren turtle]

That could be good!! Lots of lessons learned! 🤔

[hearty cradle]

people dumping their airdrop, more farmers than real players, CHG dupe exploits, dev trying to tweak economy but angered people, rounds (seasons) getting longer

not to mention game is janky, cant do solo and dnt have party finder

not saying it cant happen to us tho

[barren turtle]

Tweaking economy is inevitable to balance it as Eth changes. Right?

[hearty cradle]

thats the inherent issue of any crypto game

crypto volatility

launch hype, pumps everything, newcomers bought the top, crypto dumps, panic selling, airdrop value lower, downward spiral

[eager patrol]

haha

[broken roost]

wow are we discussing exactly the same battlecries proposed?

[broken roost]

discount to travel depending on tier and where land is located

say t1 land on brightland steppes owner gets 10% discount to travel to brightland steppes

[opal thistle]

All ideas can be discussed in a respectful manner

[broken roost]

I agree, now have you seen any of the ideas that were respectfully discussed in the past 2 years that passed an iip?

[opal thistle]

Yes, at the top of my head gov v2

[vivid cipher]

Spider.

[broken roost]

about Illuvium Zero

[radiant sky]

This came up already long time ago...

[broken roost]

i remember, I was here, nothing changed

[timber sapphire]

Do we have a battlecry alt here?👀

[iron veldt]

yep

but don’t tell the mods

Mods are here - RUN!

[broken roost]

🤫

[iron veldt]

🏃🏻

[opal thistle]

Let's stay on topic...no need for this

[broken roost]

im all for respectfull conversations, but it just seems we are discussing ideas only among ourselves and nothing gets done

[golden raven]

Land holders chat has a form I can fill for beta access?

[timber sapphire]

Ssssssh dont post that here

[radiant sky]

Need to #🎫〕verify-asset
And then the Form is pinned in #🗻〕land-owner

[broken roost]

let me rephrase ''done'' to ''properly addressed or answered''

[golden raven]

Im not willing to connect my wallet to collab land. Maybe I can transfer one of my lands to a hot wallet for this

[opal thistle]

I don't know what you are trying to get at but my suggestion is this....consolidate the landowner vote running on a platform based on your ideas and what you and people of similar mind think, see if that resonates with most stakers, take as many IMC council seats as possible and vote on the reforms you want see change

[golden raven]

Shouldn’t they be able to verify my ownership with by logging in

[sand radish]

Hmm no access to that channel. Need to double check the wallet linked to check. Eth wallet is enough or does it need to be the imx one ?

Weeks and still no access to beta...

[radiant sky]

The one your Land is on

[opal thistle]

Has to be the IMX one because that is where land is

[sand radish]

Coule it play to send beta access ? Literally played all the game except a beyond (only a bit) and invested quite a lot... Still no access.

[timber sapphire]

Just verify your land

[sand radish]

Beta play registration was with imx passport. Link to the same email as the main wallet

[sand radish]

Not home right now but will do

Thought that was done actually

[timber sapphire]

Rip

[broken roost]

why would you suggest an impossible task for a simple landowner?

[opal thistle]

I disagree, it takes a lot of time and effort if you really want to achieve it but it is far from impossible

[broken roost]

to beggin with i have no way of contacting 8000 landowners to vote on anything

[timber sapphire]

Maybe idk the #🗻〕land-owner chat?

Or this one

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-gif-18647602

[broken roost]

i cant even ping them

[broken roost]

even if i could, landowners have no voting power and we'd have to convince ilv holders to go against their interests. But you know this already

[opal thistle]

I'm a land owner and I have voting power. I think I said all I had to say in this regard but I will leave with something that has always helped me: The chance of success is always zero if you never try.

[broken roost]

i agree there is not much more for us to discuss about this subject

i'll give it a try then, let me beggin

@opal thistle do you think the fact that the advertised ratios in land sale for land tiers were: 1:4:12:36 is still relevant?

meaning, if thats is not the case, should we try to get to those values?

[hearty cradle]

i have 1500 followers

my engagement can do 4K+

[broken roost]

is it time to form a syndicate?😅

[hearty cradle]

a cartel

[broken roost]

LOL

[ocean haven]

we gonna need our leader battlecry then

[broken roost]

not to hate on him but i'd rather pick another leader

a less emotional one perhaps

[ocean haven]

agree was joking, he had a lot of good points but not the best to precedent them

[broken roost]

also we would need him to be frieds with the dao

or part of it

[ocean haven]

we bacisly need him to be a full time politician lol

i guess jag is our new leader

https://tenor.com/view/follow-the-leader-gif-11208171

[opal thistle]

I think so, but if changed I would like to see the reasoning behind the new ratio

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-lisanalgaib-fremen-lisan-al-gaib-gif-13633185611076219756

[broken roost]

what do you mean by reasoning? the reason would be land was sold in 1/3/9/27 ratio, because it would produce 1:4:12:36 times the amount

[broken roost]

hmm jag seems a bit influenceable/manipulable, but its not a bad choice

in fact we'd need him anyway

[ocean haven]

yea probly our best bet, not sure there is anyone left that wanna waste there time beating a dead horse

[wary notch]

What are we talking about here?

[ocean haven]

https://tenor.com/view/scatter-twitch-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-gif-14094131424741016653

nothing 🙂

[floral zenith]

How many resources does a Tier 1 Fuel Crate contain?

[barren turtle]

$15 worth! 😂😂😂

They’re still balancing prices… so it will be a butt-Ton if they keep fuel this cheap.

[floral zenith]

What is the specific quantity?

[opal thistle]

The team has not specified yet but if we take the current test net values and assume it's the same amount for each fuel, for T1 crate you would be getting 1316 units (round up) of each fuel

[barren turtle]

Would we need to build storage for that much fuel first?

[amber hamlet]

Anyone know how to find total supply for each tier..? Can't find this info on IMX..

[nimble lichen]

these were the numbers supplied during auction

[amber hamlet]

Thank you brother

[livid tinsel]

!rewards

[next juniper]

So are these people so desperate to sell their T4 lands at 2 ETH? I keep missing them.

[high sleet]

It depends on the arrangement of buildings and such too. But yeah take the number of fuel sites and the prod boost and u get a pretty good idea.

Through balancing the general rule is a rule of 3s.

T2 = 3xT1
T3 = 3xT2
T4 = 3xT3

[hearty cradle]

how do u feel about the actual fuel output not following this ratio

T1 = 1x
T2 = 1.7x
T3 = 3.4x
T4 = 9.2x

[high sleet]

Not sure how u got those ratios (cause they look really wrong?). But the team will balance it either way

[steady fable]

Hi all, 2 questions if anyone knows.

1. How are fuel economics are affected if people own land but don't play Zero. E.g. if only 80% of land owners actually play zero, does that effectively mean the land owners that do play zero are earning a higher proportion of revenue? Or does the DAO somehow compensate for this by supplementing supply?

2. Also wondering what happens if ILZ and overworld launch simultaneously, there would obviously be weeks where fuel supply is limited, so is the DAO stepping in to provide initial supply or is there a "race" to generate the first fuel supply which will obviously be in very high demand ?

[hearty cradle]

and it's not wrong, it is by design
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

from johnny's post, the only change would be T4 from 10:1 to 15:1

the argument he made was that fuel is not the only value, and some T1s owners complained

[high sleet]

I see. Well I have actually built the land to this threshold and I can tell you it doesn't work out quite this way

Also this doesn't factor in time to build

I'd say T2 hits 'Max level' at least 30 days earlier than T1

[hearty cradle]

after some time, the plots will be maxed

[high sleet]

Yes but it's still relevant to factor in the time beforehand

If u spend 2 months at a 100x output. Then 3 years at 1.7x. It balances out quite interestingly

[hearty cradle]

i havent done the calculation myself so i cant comment on that

[high sleet]

Why would they complain? 1.7x is an insanely good deal. I would be upset if I owned a T4 lol

T1's should be bad. That's just my perspective on it haha

[hearty cradle]

the premise of the land sale was the amount of fuel nodes on each Tier

[hearty cradle]

T1 is actually good rn

it can produce more than 50% of T2

because of the converters

thats why the plots price is reflecting that

its good if u buy now, but not for people who minted the higher tiers believing they were getting more fuel

at least thats how i see it during the land sale
T2 can produce 4x fuel compared to T1

so a T2 at 3x the price of T1 was a bargain

[native spade]

Hey guys, when withdrawing ETH from immutable to metamask, the gas fee should be in immutable or in metamask?

[cinder grove]

You also need to factor in the time of clicking on a daily basis when it is fully build. Approximately 3min per land to collect fuel and resources and set it up again. This is besides going to marketplace to sell. So probably about 5 min to manage all. So 2x T1 is 10 min and 1x T2 is 5 min. Having a T4 compared to many T1’s you really save time

So a T2 saves 30 hours per year compared to 2x T1 when it is fully build

[hearty cradle]

they can introduce "collect all"

and "start all"

i mean it is very bottable

is saving 30 hours of clicking a year worth half of your revenue?

[radiant sky]

you saying the numbers are wrong?

[fair temple]

yep, that's why I got 4 T2s back during the land sale 🙂 T1's would be the blueprint factories, while T2s would be the strongest fuel producers.
T1 would produce roughly 1 fuel [point]
T2 would produce 4 (3 fuel *1.33)
T3 ; 12 (6 x 2)
T4 ; 40~ ( 9 x 4 + (10% through landmark))
So a T2 would should be valued roughly 4x that of T1s, but ended up going for about 1.2 eth compared to the T1s at 0.5 eth during land sale.

[high sleet]

I am saying they are the tip of the iceberg. And yes they are somewhat wrong. The harvesters go a long way in enabling you to hit 150% efficiency on your converters. Making it hard to match T2 1:1 on a T1 plot.

On a base level it's probably right, but it doesn't tell even half the story

[radiant sky]

What do you mean with tip of the iceberg?
It could actually be even more in favor of t1, spent like 10 min each tier to build the layouts. You can probably optimize the build on t1 the most since it is the tier with relying purely on powerstations instead of harvesters if it comes to pushing the efficiency.
What do you mean making it hard to match t2 1:1 on a T1 plot?

[tidal lotus]

didn't know you had to be a rocket scientist to work the land sale. Sad now, whish I had a T2

[fair temple]

People are now saying you only produce 1.7x as much. So, i was a rocket scientist but was given totally misleading values :]

[fair temple]

So no, no need to do any thinking here just buy random shit and you could get lucky 🙂

[radiant sky]

buy the shit most people have, so you get most support in pushing that. Pretty easy 😛

[tidal lotus]

I hate it when my Values are Misleading! Hard to reach escape velocity with misleading values!

[fair temple]

Sounds about right lol

I do hope they do some balance patching later.

[tidal lotus]

I'm with you on that! I have a bunch of random shit all over

[fair temple]

Illuvitars, land, promo collectibles, ILV, sILV2 and some get rugged while others dont.

I.e. illuvitars has a weekly leaderboard which got me 10 ILV, promo collectibles are a dumpster fire. Land is getting compensated somewhat, sILV2 is being threatened with preemptive destruction, ilv is making concessions but is the backbone of rhe project.

Soon we add Illuvials to this mix but so far i think Illuvitars have shown the most value xD

[tidal lotus]

take care yall, I'm off to bed. Hopefully you all get this figured out before I get back, OK?

[fair temple]

Lol yeah i am not going to figure anything out. Everything is fine.

Just taking up the role of doomsayer now that things seem to be calm around here...

[high sleet]

All I mean by the 1:1 comment is 30 converters at 150% efficiency on a T2 plot might be 30 converters at 132% efficiency on a T1 plot. Since the power plants are like worse by a factor of 3-4 compared to harvesters. But a lot of that is changing so maybe T1s become heaps better idk

[radiant sky]

no, you can actually build those numbers

it's not like i put in some random numbers, haha
thats how the endgame will look like roughly, based on alpha season1 numbers

hell i hope not, t1 totally op in alpha season 1

[lusty crag]

This!"

Considering the price has been paid for a T1 I hope neither!

[hearty cradle]

as johnny said, need an IIP

[fair temple]

totally 😄

[regal pike]

Is it true that landowners only produce 5% of the whole supply of fuel and elements?

[radiant sky]

5% of the total fuel supply
Elements are just inside IZ and you can't sell them for real money, therefore IZ produces 100%

[next glen]

isnt it 5% only if the upper guard rail is being hit causing the DAO to mint 19x the fuel land is producing?
so if fuel's cost is down or average priced then its completely on land owners
or has all this changed in the last year?

[radiant sky]

no.
For example, if you place a sell order of 1 fuel, the DAO takes that 1fuel, adds 19 fuel and places the sell order.
It is like that since the very beginning

[next glen]

hmmm so if its always like that then that means the illuvium token stakers will be receiving the value from the 95% of fuel sales?
MC on land using floor price is around 30mil, MC on illuvium token is around 500mil, does that mean they will earn passive income from fuel at a higher rate than land owners earn from actively farming it?
saw a video a long time ago that implied it was only done when guard rails were hit, cant find it anymore but i do find it concerning that the 19x multiplier will always be in effect

[radiant sky]

yes. stakers will receive 95% of all fuel sales.

[next glen]

so financially speaking, per dollar spent, its more profitable and no work required to buy tokens and stake than it is to buy land and tend to it. nice design

[vivid cipher]

?revdis is the original design. Land is an add on.

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Revenue Distribution

ICCP-3 Revenue Distribution Decisions aimed to ensure sustainable revenue distribution for the long-term operation of the DAO, and to provide clear expectations for $ILV stakers. Future product proposals should adhere to the relevant distribution definitions.

Summary:
For products with negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue will be distributed.
For products with non-negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue minus variable costs will be distributed.

For more detailed information, please read the full ICCP: https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/0x245e440c3b517a0b7a7ff11c2c038cfd96c503ab9cbf3e593bd8d7c73cd07fae

[radiant sky]

i didn't do calcualtions with floorprices and token price today.
but yes, often i did the calcs in the past year you got more out of token than land for your buck, if it comes to fuel sales.

[next glen]

and no one see's a problem with this design?
if a land owner mined 100 fuel and was told they get to keep 5% of the profit and 95% is taxed for the governement people would have a problem with that.
instead land owner only mines 5 fuel and 95 gets minted out of thin air for the governement. anyone holding governement bonds will make more than the person actually generating the assets.

[opal thistle]

If a land owner mines 100 fuel and puts it on the market the government people put 1900 fuel on the market, the land owner pockets the money for his fuel and te government for theirs. Goverment is the one that designed and put in place said asset

[tardy falcon]

Yep… ppl have raised the issue. You can get it changed through gaining support in ideas channel… then submit an iip in gov channel after gaining enough support. Just make sure the proposal is thought through.

Some ppl have suggested 10% or more but need to consider the whole.

[next glen]

i get that, what im saying is instead of implementing it in the way of straight taxing someone minning 100 fuel they lower the amount of fuel being mined and mint the rest themselves so its not so obvious that they are taking 95% of fuel profits away from the people mining it. either way is the same result but one isnt as obvious as to whats happening. 5% is fine IF the token price does not = being more profitable passively than the the land price earning actively managed. it just doesnt make sense to buy land if thats how it works

doubt ill be that involved, i just bought a few T3's a year ago and havnt really paid attention to it since. thats on me. guess ill sit back and let the DAO do whatever it does. didnt realize it was that bad though LOL

[ocean haven]

the good thing is stacking the token incentivise people to play the games, and thats what gamers want

[opal thistle]

These are the latest approved IIPs regarding IZ (it's hard to keep track in discord sometimes)
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1238218525034807307
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1196516944124334100
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1150838089489596439

[radiant sky]

how does staking the token incentivise people to play the game?

[opal thistle]

IIP-50 passed 4-0

[grand smelt]

Hello! In the private beta, we can use the resources obtained in zero to have fuel for overworld? or we need to pay for fuel?

[broken roost]

It's as simple as this

[opal thistle]

IZ is not connected to the PB4 Test Net.....you have to pay for fuel with SepoliaETH

[broken roost]

Well it's been 2 years and no one even spoke about balance yet..

[fair temple]

it should happen once the game goes live and we play a bit. it should integrate itself nicely into the economy of Illuvium 🙂

but before we know how much everything costs, i imagine the fuel production being unbalanced

[broken roost]

But this is not about balancing zero with the whole ecosystem, this is about balancing between tiers

No need for integration

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hurt-office-crying-meme-crying-sad-gif-24713671

[radiant sky]

Future Landsales:
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1240332776453177466

[cinder grove]

You are correct, it does not make sense to own land. You need to grind and you make less than buying ILV, stake it and sit back. Even with the current floor prices the market cap of land is 10% of market cap ILV. And we all bought way higher than that. Maybe on us, as most “insiders” already knew this and hardly have land and only have ILV. Very worried about future land sales if this is the deal.

This is not just a IZ problem, this is an Illuvium problem

[north ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/newsradio-news-radio-wnyx-christmas-gif-27273401

[zinc cloak]

That’s absolutely insane to have land, which generates fuel and then most of the fuel just gets printed out of thin air 😂

[humble arrow]

is another land sale planned soon? lol

[radiant sky]

not planned at the moment.
According to IIP-39 council needs to wait at least 4 months into open beta before they can set up the mini landsales.

[high sleet]

I built up all 4 lands. And maxed out the space, buildings etc. And you can get more converters at 150% on a T2+ than you can on T1, which is not what your numbers reflect. I am sure your numbers are solid, I am just saying my experience actually doing it was different

[radiant sky]

Yea you can probably optimize them and build more converters, as i said didn't spent much time for the layouts. How many converters do you have Max efficiency on your t1/2?

[high sleet]

I cant remember, its in an old video, but I know it was better than 1.7:1, or maybe I am misremembering that too idk

found the video 1sec

Just over a 2x on T2 and T3

If u factor in time to build a 3x is probably consistent for at least 2 months, until everything maxes out

[mortal mural]

@high sleet will you check out https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1240332776453177466 and let us know an opinion?

[high sleet]

Sure

[high sleet]

I am only a tiny YouTuber and I've had my youtube comments affect me extremely negatively before. I don't know why it just does. I've seen large streamers have a single person affect them. Its something I completely understand, even if I cannot explain it

[radiant sky]

• Your own Lands?
• Trying to get Max efficiency as much as possible? (Spamming converters won't be efficient anymore in Beta)

T1 250/24h definetly possible to do

Time factor shouldn't influence value too much:

• Can buy speedup tokens in Beta
• multiple builders available
• builder qeue, so everyone can manage to habe all builders Building 24/7
• it's Like a few weeks/months depending on your spending habit to Max out the Base and potentially 10-20 years running

[high sleet]

Not sure if you were referring to me. But I know I didn't behave well in all the heat and I do apologise for that. I am turning a new leaf and am already a significantly more positive person. I continue on my mission to be a force for good that benefits and helps the team.

[barren turtle]

Are the IZ updates you just mentioned gonna happen the same day IZ goes live?

[radiant sky]

They should be in, yes.
I asked about a list of all features going to Make it into Beta, @long tendon will bring it up in imc and maybe we get soon some Info about that

[barren turtle]

Noob question: what is “IMC”?

[radiant sky]

Illuvium Main Council

[long tendon]

Raised it to labs already. Just waiting on response

[barren turtle]

It would be cool if they updated a little early so we can calculate how to maximize our Lands. I know @high sleet put in some work on the initial settings

[rotund forum]

Yes, when I said to Kieran and to anyone that 999 positive comments do not compensate 1 negative one; I get it. I was like this a long time. And I am not a public figure, I just mean comments at work or in your social ring. But I learned to not think like that, because although it is natural it is not correct. I know I am not in the right chat for this but, even Bin Laden had a lot of people who stood behind him. It does not matter what you do, you are always going to have friends and enemies, in any any any space. That is all I wanted to say and Kieren or anyone on the team should not be affected by the fact that there are people out there that dislike them or even hate them. Ignore that. Your community that loves you and that you and I and most here are part of, that is why he works overtime for.

That comment on Bin Laden was really a bad (and good) example… no matter what you do in this life, you are going to have friends and enemies. If your goal is to please all, you’ll fail. And worse, you gave up your principles so not only enemy but also friend will not appreciate you. Kieran is like I said intelligent and maybe a bit or a lot tougher than his brothers (who are Fantastic in their own way). But as ceo He is perfect and I love him. And as a personal message to him should he ever read it; fuck the haters. You know in a few years where we will be and also where they will be.

[high sleet]

Yeah I know myself and others shouldn't think like that, but I am just saying its one of those things 😦

[high sleet]

Cant speed up fuel production. Which is the key blocker for T1 build progression. And so yes speedups matter much less than you are expecting.

And yes I tried to get max efficiency as much as I possibly could

[high sleet]

Also multiple builders helps but it actually helps T3/T4 way more than T1, since T1 is blocked by other factors and builders is the factor that blocked higher Tiers

[mortal mural]

If your are friends with everybody your are an enemy of yourself 🧠

[rotund forum]

I read something like t1 after a year is much more profitable than a t4 considering its price. My a.. hole tax advisor is basically telling me to sell t4 and but t1-2. But I think long term when you max out spending the same amount on lands he might actually be right

[rotund forum]

Yessssss definitly. You end up hating yourself just for not being you

That is why I say, scoriox, kieran, … and myself… just be yourself. 😂

[mortal mural]

So for now we wait on labs for data. But agree on this.

[mortal mural]

I’m ready to go pew pew mode on other members of community if people start attacking. I wished I did for Johnny. Won’t make the same mistake again .

[radiant sky]

Indeed high Tiers benefit more and you can't speed up fuel production but you can Speed up Element production, which helps t1/2 to focus on fuel production early on.
In the End, total build up time is decreased by quite a bit over all Tiers, which lowers the impact even more build up time should have if it comes to land valuation.

It weren't my own plots i did the calculation about, it was an average of what you possibly can get.

The higher the Tier gets, the bigger IS the difference a Land can habe compared to that average.
Is it balanced out or not, does the landmark fit to your deposits etc. For example my t4 calculation is 2274/24h in my own t4 i get 2900/24h because landmark fits deposits quite well and deposits are spreaded nicely.
On the other Hand i guess there are t4 performing worse than my calc because of clumped up sites and not fitting landmark

[high sleet]

Whos going to work your 500 T1s?

[high sleet]

Very fair points 🙂

I'd rather have 3 big tier plots than 20 smaller ones 😛 Trust me, its exhausting

[rotund forum]

Thing is. You can help people. But everyone needs to be their own man first. You need to be strong, and not depend on others. Then afterwards all help is a push in the back.

[high sleet]

agreed, well i'll just block them

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[radiant sky]

In Alphas1 for sure 😂
My wrist hurt Bad after the first days ... To mich Click Click 😄
Can't wait to test with the new less clicky build

[mortal mural]

Nah, I’ll go full pew pew mode. We all know who are valuable in the community. The amount of work some do is just insane. Telling them anything different or attacking them just lose my respect and all is left of me for them is pew pew mode.

[mortal mural]

Me too. I barely played 4 out of 6. My wrist can’t handle it anymore.

[mortal mural]

I hope they fix the level up sign

[high sleet]

I am very excited for the new features

[radiant sky]

Already is... and more, like Autostart activities

[mortal mural]

I just need balance, lvl sign 🪧 gone. And zoom out

[mortal mural]

We are set. We just need info so we can test properly. 1 month for IZ seems rather short

[ancient nacelle]

I found that after I started playing on a samsung tablet using its pen I was more efficient and no wrist pain. Could also play it anywhere. Couch, car, train, plane even toilet...

Also what happened to this chat... gone real philosophical annoyingly.....

#BringbackBattlecries

😉

[iron laurel]

Yeah my tendonitis was acting up and I got a tablet for that reason. Definitely worth it for that pen.

[tardy falcon]

Things will balance out. Seems a natural effect after last week's events. I imagine things will shift when we get some Zero updates and gameplay teasers. Prob get some fresh energy in here when that time comes... fun, anticipatory energy. Til then, let the high and mighty have their moment 😝

[hearty cradle]

playing 1 x T4 is def better than 40 x T1, people should pay a premium for the convenience.
but as johnny said they are only planning to rebalance the fuel output of T4 from 10:1 to 15:1 compared to T1.
still too big of a difference.
i think the team need to be transparent about the fuel output ratio, since people might have minted or bought plots with fuel production in mind.
imo, fuel is the most basic revenue factor and it should be rebalanced, everything else is a bonus. the current Floor price kinda reflect the issue

[high sleet]

I agree with the 'bonus' statement

[hearty cradle]

not sure how to save T3 tho, elements need a sink

[broken roost]

''might''???? who didnt buy land with fuel production in mind? 😅

15:1 is not even half of what was expected of a t4

[hearty cradle]

haha trying to be subtle

[broken roost]

indeed, maybe gyms help but still once in late game the only use for elements is to put extractors to work right?

[hearty cradle]

has johnny mentioned elements sink in the works?

[broken roost]

i don't remember and im absolutely not asking him 😂

[ancient nacelle]

Agreed. Any ideas? Building and powering temp drones to do extra tasks for you in OW?

Or in IZ...

Or in Beyond tower...

[radiant sky]

No they are not

[radiant sky]

Was one of the Main reasons to Design Training grounds.

Scanners and matlabs, but thats mainly for low Tiers, and they aren't enough.
T1 looking not too Bad, they consume Big Part of the Element production in the lategame.

[hearty cradle]

no idea

[broken roost]

Well if t1s are balanced then just scaling properly should be good enough

[radiant sky]

T3/4 don't build Scanner and matlabs 😂

Some might

[broken roost]

Right

[radiant sky]

And it's a Ton of Elements you going to habe lategame

[broken roost]

Well I'd like to believe the 15 converters thing will change so I guess there will be some more available space

[radiant sky]

Like T4 could fire up 200 Scanners + 200 matlabs when built out... Aint no Space for that 😄

[broken roost]

True..

[bitter phoenix]

Maybe land should be able to sell certain ingots to overworld as an element sink

[broken roost]

Yeah I don't know what to say. I used to be more dedicated to this, but now I realized we get pinned like the annoying complaining guys Im really not that interested to try and figure things out

Also it's late, good night everyone

[grave island]

new building in zero for crafing ingots, required elements.

[bitter phoenix]

Maybe. Just a thought for late game especially for t3s

[austere hemlock]

for IZ I need a different access? I have access to the overworld atm, but can't find where can i play the zero

[tired trout]

any problem about buying fuels?

[timber sapphire]

They have delays so no new IZ yet

[radiant sky]

You buying fuel from DAO in the testnet environment, nothing to do with IZ yet 🙂

[tired trout]

so there error right?

[radiant sky]

Oooh, Looks Like.
Make sure to Report bug in #❓❓〕support

[hearty cradle]

i thought they have fixed that

[tired trout]

its just now

[austere hemlock]

so currently no possible way to get in zero ye?

[timber sapphire]

If you have land you can play the old build

The alpha

[austere hemlock]

no i dont have

[timber sapphire]

Then we wait

[hearty cradle]

wait is the utility

*bad jokes friday

[cinder grove]

I have that as it automatically goes to your safari browser on an apple. If you have your metamask in Chrome, trade fuel in Chrome and it is solved. Anyway, that solved it for me

[radiant sky]

Good to know 👍

[mortal mural]

Definitely gonna get a pen a tablet then. My wrist was kinda busted from baby holding, zero beta just made it worse

[mortal mural]

T3 is like the midddle child 😂

I love playing my t3 though . I don’t mind. As long as we think an element sink, which we have. But first MC and BP and fuel balance

[ancient nacelle]

Tell me about it. My daughter is still an infant but weighs a metric tonne..... My elbows have tendonitis.... lame...

[hearty cradle]

eventually

[hearty cradle]

wait until shes bigger. lower back pain

[river ingot]

I took a break since minting blue prints. Just returned. Anything new to do?

[radiant sky]

No, ser

[tired trout]

huhuh cant play my fuel not yet arrive still error guys?

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tired trout]

awts wrong hole

[radiant sky]

If it doesn't work, contact #❓❓〕support

[mortal mural]

@radiant sky https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1240332776453177466 i mentioned the new resources approach on next land batch, i know we are all inclined on no new land sales until we get some data. it was off topic but what do you think about it?

[tired trout]

i mean wrong chat must be in general hehehe

[mortal mural]

gonna get those RDLs going. i started some time ago but then i stopped and i got back pain again lol

[hearty cradle]

im just old, everything hurts. a lot

[mortal mural]

If there is no way out. I’ll just make the best use of my body and get old anyway lol

[radiant sky]

Probably worth thinking about, which i haven't yet 🙂
There are already people arround thinking that 3 fuel is too much.
Would be tough balancing that in.
OG land not able to produce new ressources? not sure people would like that.
But yea, probably worth thinking about this kind of stuff...

[radiant sky]

and i know people don't like to talk about landsales somehow.
But... at the moment according to iip-39 council could start landsales after 4 months into open beta.
And you won't get reliable data until airdrop is done, except you keep just airdropping forever.

Also, what would you want to do with that data?

• If for example revenue is super low, would you try to sell more lands asap or do some sort of lock down-parameter and link it to revenue or something else?
• If for example revenue is super high, would you try to sell mor lands asap or do some sort of lock down-parameter and link it to revenue or something else?
  like... what would your action be depending on high, low or midrange revenue?
  Cause i feel there is a good solution to handle future landsales for all scenarios.

[mortal mural]

for me is a nono on both cases. we need to solve balance first and get the promised features going on, to even start talking about a landsale. also i think getting players onboard but slashing their assets is shooting yourself in the foot. better just cut the whole thing and leave the current land community somewhat happy. that is unless you actually figure out a way to make everybody win. a disatisfied player is not a player that is not comming back is a player that potentially drives other players away. right now playerbase is kinda divided by their sub communities.

[radiant sky]

😄 so why you wana wait for data, if it's a nono whatever happens?
I agree, and that takes time... which is why i wrote the proposal... it buys time.
But we can also let it as it is, and see what imc does after those 4 months... i didn't want to risk it, but if everybody is like "meh don't want to talk about that" don't be surprised if landsales happen soon after those 4 months "to try something out" or "we need more landowner in the system" or whatever reason it might be.

[hearty cradle]

does the land sale need an iip or they can do it using iip-39?

[vivid cipher]

Should need another IIP

Or ICCP

[hearty cradle]

thats fine then

its still wait and see

[radiant sky]

kieran tweet about proposal
2 councils approve
done

[hearty cradle]

im expecting a decrease in demand after the airdrop ended

[radiant sky]

idk what security iccp gives you

[hearty cradle]

i can still vote no against the upvotes

[radiant sky]

going to here "it was always planned"

[hearty cradle]

it's not a done deal

[radiant sky]

ok

[hearty cradle]

we ICC still think about it lol

[hearty cradle]

tbf the airdrop IIP was good

we asked for it

[radiant sky]

idc

you know how it works

but it's ok, i won't push it further

[cinder grove]

My IIP is that a next land-sale is not possible with minimum wait time equal as the same time the first landowners waited until they were able to sell fuel to the DAO for ETH

[hearty cradle]

yea, but i dont believe the icc will pass something thats obviously bad even tho it has more upvotes

[radiant sky]

not bad... gives revenue

it's good

gives attention

easy marketing

if it's not an ideal time to generate revenue with landsale, thers still plenty more to sell when market is good

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lackoffaith-disturbing-darthvader-starwars-gif-4883104

[radiant sky]

and it was clear from start on that ILV will sell more lands

landowner just received airdrop no 2

they should stopp being crybabies

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-smell-wwe-gif-15877234124744977095

[cinder grove]

It is a terrible time to gain revenue with land sale

[hearty cradle]

dont get battlecry'd

[cinder grove]

All those influencers that they gave codes to are also reading all this. They will never touch or advise land at this point. Oh, and they didn’t get the experience as it is not in private beta

We are literally talking in the air here. It does seem nobody cares at this moment

Nobody from the team here

If the founders care, they should step in as the rest of their team is walking away

From IZ, not from ILV

[hearty cradle]

do u know whos taking over from johny?

[cinder grove]

Nope

[alpine basin]

honestly i dont have lands and i want buy

Their price is very reasonable to buy now to see in the future, if you believe in the project.

[cinder grove]

Illuvidex is a great place to buy

[alpine basin]

Will they mint more land?

[cinder grove]

Yes, 80,000 more

[alpine basin]

But will they be superior to the current ones?

Where can I look up this information?

[cinder grove]

Same ratio

[alpine basin]

i have question so you sell the fuels?

for the pool because u can´t transfer fuels for your account

What would be the benefit of having land as a player?

[cinder grove]

You can sell fuel and mint blueprints for skins and in future many more possibilities will probably come

[cinder grove]

Did we?

[radiant sky]

we likely will befor the landsale

[alpine basin]

I'm very undecided about buying the lands, I love the overworld, I've only known illuvium for 2 months, and I love it.

but I wanted a little more investment.

but my capital only allows one tier 2, so I don't know whether to buy 2 tier 1 or 1 tier 2

[cinder grove]

What land-sale?

[radiant sky]

next one

[cinder grove]

When?

[radiant sky]

who knows

[cinder grove]

So no date on land sale, no date on second airdrop 😂

[mortal mural]

I don’t know man. I’m just as confused as everyone. Sometimes I think and write and read replies and read what I wrote again. Lol

I just wanna play and sell fuel

[cinder grove]

I would go for a T2 instead if 2x T1

[alpine basin]

In terms of investment, are the lands already paying something? or is it just accumulating

because testnet probably only end like july ?

[cinder grove]

Lands are not active yet

[alpine basin]

and from what I understand they will only be active 4 months after the beta

[cinder grove]

It looks like they are active when open beta starts for all games

[alpine basin]

main beta right?

I got an overworld key, from what I understand the main beta starts around July if all goes well

[cinder grove]

Yes, main

[cinder grove]

No idea on time lines, often moved

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1237926169756696628

[radiant sky]

haha
you are fine mate, probably me who just sees it too dark

[hearty cradle]

the target is Q2

[alpine basin]

And I have one more question, will the land pools and the DAO pools be separated?

[hearty cradle]

no

[radiant sky]

In case you didn't read it anywhere.
Land produces 5% of the total fuel and the dao the other 95%

[mortal mural]

@radiant sky what i mainly want to see first is

• balance patches
• MC updates
• BP updates.
  then i want to see how people react to it. because in the end they still need to deliver. if i were to choose a wen next land sale, it would " no more land sales until further notice". because selling lands or even talking about it now in the current state just get people on their dark side. No land sales .Deliver First, then we might start talking about lands. I Personally feel lands hurt the project more than what it was supposed to be (got no data, just talking about discord feels). Nevertheless we got lands and we need them to work.

in my fantasy i still want a player economy driven game.

i think thats cool AF

[tough field]

Is it true mega cities won’t be ready and available for the oficial launch?

[heavy wolf]

Can I still buy land for silv2 now?

[tough field]

What would be those compensatory measures? A mega city would easily be an advantage in the first weeks of game due to the shared resources. Months later, when the lands are already evolved, the shared resources are not so advantage anymore (it is, but not as in the beginning). Players (including me) spent a lot of money to buy near plots and now receive this info? Really, I love illuvium, I am here since beginning and I think this is the first time I am complaining about something. I didn’t agree with a lot of things and decisions in the past; but I always believed in the teams understands that they were taking the best decision. But this? Sorry, I can’t agree with this.

Is there a chance the team can add the mega city feature for the launch, even if the overall launch delays a few weeks? Otherwise it would be very nice if the team shares what would be the compensatory measures for the mega city players

[tough field]

You just need someone accepts sell in exchange to sILV.

But all land sales from the team will allow buying lands with sILV

[tough field]

Well, I am not sure if this compensates the delay. Need to think more. In the end It feels I will still individually build my plots much slower compared if they were a mega city.

Is there a discussion about it so I can read more ?

[radiant sky]

Not for the average player. T4s and some rare skilled and ambitous t3 might Profit a bit.
T1/2 most likely get almost nothing or nothing at all, since they won't have fuel output on a reasonable Level to sell i guess.

[tough field]

I agree

In the end, one of the benefits of the mega city is to transform T1/T2 in a more productive land.

This compensation won’t help too much those lands

@radiant sky you know something that could give a good compensation?

Making the zero point transducer cheaper, with reduced requirement to build, 0% fees and with unlimited amount, but only for users owning lands to build a mega city in their wallet. Not sure how difficult this would be, since it will require a more deep integration in game with the blockchain

Plus the fuel bonus

[radiant sky]

Not sure that would help much.
Blueprint minting also not available for a certain amount of time and last i heared the plot to plot Ressource Transport won't be ready for open Beta aswell. So you actually have nothing to do in the ZPT.

I spoke to some megacity holders who upvoted the proposal... The Frustration of delays etc is just too Big, they just wana play the game and don't care too much for the lost megacity perk. They also are all pretty confident about the Bonus, i guess we shall See how it turns out.
Not sure there is anything one can do from this not happening as it is planned.... besides Team probably already working on that Plan.

In the end it's at least a Big win for the DAO and the single plot holders and i know it probably won't help much, but it is a sacrifice from just a small Group of people for the greater good of the IP.

[whole stirrup]

Hey all, I havent been there for 2 months. any update, can we still play^

[vivid cipher]

Zero is still in the same old alpha build. It’s not on testnet yet.

[tough field]

Well. I understand the talk about the sacrifice of a small group to benefit the whole system and keep the project in the schedule. I know everybody has a story. For me It was not easy to be in this small group. I sacrificed a lot. And now I need to do another sacrifice. This is harsh to accept. If it’s really a small group, I expected at least a very good compensation for the sacrifice.

I can give another option to the team:

those who have a mega city in the launch will receive a free plot equal to the highest tier of the mega city in the next land sale. Easy to do and seems more fair.

[vivid cipher]

Super deal for those of us that have an all t1 mega city.

[tough field]

The tier of the free land is something to discuss. I ve just updated the suggestion to:
Besides the fuel bonus, those who have a mega city in the launch will receive a free plot equal to the highest tier of the mega city in the next land sale.

[vivid cipher]

I don’t think I’ll ever think this is a good idea. But let’s play with it anyways.

What happens in the following scenario? I keep my mega city plots for awhile. But when the next land sale occurs I’ve sold my mega city.

[tough field]

The snapshot is taking at the launch of the game. Whatever you do with your lands after that does not matter. You will be eligible to receive a free land in the next land sale

I am just trying to find here a fair compensation easy to implement for the delay of the mega city, because the temporary fuel bonus alone seems not to be fair, imo.

[vivid cipher]

Lands give you fuel. Megacities get you fuel faster. They never give you land babies. 🤷

[tough field]

So do you think the current fuel bonus is enough to compensate the lack of the mega city feature in the launch? If not, What other options do we have?

[vivid cipher]

Bigger fuel bonus. What are the mega city features you were expecting at launch?

[tough field]

• Less time of play (compared to managing multiple individual plots),
• faster plot development due to shared resources, specially for lower tiers
• better space usage of the land since buildings are shared
• I believe the l3 landmark is shared for all lands of the mega city, right? Not sure it that is true yet

And there is still a hidden feature they promised in the first sale (as I remember) that I don’t know if the team disclosured jt yet

[fervent slate]

If I don't sell the fuel and use it myself, do I receive the 5% Landowner Revenue Share?

[vivid cipher]

You did. You just used it.

[fervent slate]

I understand! Thank you very much!

[steady fable]

Just a question, after live when land is bought/sold does it reset every time? Or do the structures remain?

[tough field]

As far as I remember they remain. There is no point to reset then because of the sale. But blueprints are per land. If an old owner mint a blueprint, future owners won’t be able to mint it anymore, so it’s a good idea to see all blueprints already minted in a land before buying

[steady fable]

Oh ok, because the two land plots I bought now during Alpha don't have any buildings, so I assumed that was because it resets. Actually it is a pretty important factor whether it resets. If it does, it means at times with high volumes of land transactions that the fuel supply would be reduced, as well as other things like affecting land value if it is optimised or not when sold. I think it needs to be considered seriously. Currently the illuvidex doesn't mention anything about the structures on the land or its current fuel production

[vivid cipher]

The plan is for structures to stay

I’m not sure what the team has managed to build yet.

[steady fable]

Ok thanks 👍

Also when OW/ILZ launch simultaneously, do we know if DAU is going to supplement fuel while land gets built up, or does the land still supply all fuel and OW players need to wait until its available to buy?

[vivid cipher]

I think this dao proposal covers your question. https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1196516944124334100

[ancient nacelle]

Do land owners get 5% from future land sales?

[vivid cipher]

I can’t remember. Maybe. I think that was discussed at some point maybe

[ancient nacelle]

Right. Be interesting to know. Also maybe we should try and make it sale excluding silv2 as they there is no rev share on that nor would it be counted towards our 5%.

[ancient nacelle]

at a glance can't see anything about it in pins.

[vivid cipher]

Maybe one of these three proposals #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Hopefully, all the sILV2 is burnt by then

[steady fable]

Let me ask it an easier way, on launch day, zero fuel has been mined (if it's simultaneous). So can anyone get crypton, Hyperion or solon?

[vivid cipher]

Yes

The DAO will supply the fuel.

[ancient nacelle]

Be also interested to know if fuel token can be used to purchase new lands..... That would possibly add high demand for fuel. Good for DAO and land owners I think.

[steady fable]

Thanks for clarifying it makes more sense now after reading the IIP

[vivid cipher]

No. Just sell fuel for eth.

[hearty cradle]

ideally all future sales would be in fuel

because fuel is the ingame currency

[hearty cradle]

yes

5% from all digital sales

[vivid cipher]

There it is. Thanks.

[hearty cradle]

for example, a Jaganite skin sales

[bitter phoenix]

What would that be made from?

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-mermaid-merman-beauty-wet-gif-14113038

[hearty cradle]

i have started submitting the icc minutes weekly since last week
ill ask rich to upload them to the google folder

still working on april newsletters, so many ideas to be summarized this time

@narrow oasis doc is yuuuge

[radiant sky]

I feel you mate, i'm in this small group aswell.
it is rough... after all this time holding and then get knocked down again, launching without MC's and without proper compensation for the lost feature.

I just really try to see the positive side... imagine we launch into mainnet and zero is not live.
All these potential new investors hopping into discord, asking about investment possibilities.
" well, we have token and we have Zero, token is for revdies and governance and zero is the backbone of the whole economy, producing a part of the fuel needed everywhere and other stuff like bp's and dye's but it isn't live yet..."
90% of them probably investing into token, the other 10% run away because they smell ruggs without doing proper research.
Negativity in zero chanel and other chanels zero get mentioned
content creators calling it out as bad investement as everything just works fine without it.

Now with zero being live, it backs up the statement of the importance of zero.
Negativity is mostly gone, since most people don't hold a MC and a part of them who hold don't care too much about the loss.
Single plot holders are happy af to be able to play finally.
Potential new investors which might pump land prices (big maybe, but still 😄 )

[narrow oasis]

What doc is yuuuge? Minutes meeting notes?

[hearty cradle]

the call into question

[narrow oasis]

Yeah I was tired of council members jumping in one at a time asking for a list of concerns

[hearty cradle]

yea not testing IZ before OB and launching without IZ would be bad imo
especially when we still see issue in fuel exchange

the time to do testing and balancing is now

not after launch

[radiant sky]

List of concerns about what?

[radiant sky]

Balancing the fuel is an ongoing thing

[hearty cradle]

too much balancing post launch gonna cause lots of fud

as seen in big time

[radiant sky]

Then i guess write iccp to Change it 😄

[hearty cradle]

this is the issue with crypto gaming vs web2 gaming

crypo gaming involves real money economy

[radiant sky]

I don't See it as an issue

[hearty cradle]

any changes can make some people profit or lose money

[radiant sky]

If handled Like real money economy

[hearty cradle]

big if

[hearty cradle]

lets do an example

1 month after OB, they increase the materials required to craft shards to curb inflation of illuvials

or fuels needed to craft

[timber sapphire]

Can they just do that?

[radiant sky]

Thats what bonding curve is for.
And they can Change it all the time without really being noticed, since it's not public

[hearty cradle]

another example, a bug was discovered that gave illuvials perfect stats
either you re-roll the stats, angering people who caught or bought them
or let it be

[hearty cradle]

i dont believe we gonna feel the effect of the bonding curve until much later

its possible we enter the bear market before it kicks in

[radiant sky]

Yea bugs/exploits have a bigger impact for sure if it comes to Shitstorms and stuff

[radiant sky]

Imo bearmarket or not doesn't have an influence on ingame economy, except you create a game just for cryptowhales.

[hearty cradle]

it does

[radiant sky]

How?

[hearty cradle]

people leave the space in the bear

[radiant sky]

Yea, the crypto kiddies, as i said.
If you create a game for crypto whales, and airdrop farmers then sure it will have an impact

[hearty cradle]

so u believe in web2 adoption

[radiant sky]

But you can't Set up ingame economy for that Group and Change it after 2 years to fit into the General accepted gamming standards

[hearty cradle]

and the bear market crash wont affect these retail who bought the tipity top because they love the game

[radiant sky]

Depends how it is Set up, if it stays that expensive and that much gamble, probably not

The Guy who Set up the economy for pb4 is probably a crypto Degen for life.
Invest Big money and get a Chance of Profits or get rekt😄

[hearty cradle]

a d1sk was sold for $50
a AAA TGA winner is $60

[tired trout]

what we can get In disk?

[hearty cradle]

$1 jpegs?

[radiant sky]

Well disks are the typical web3 product. Most likely won't reach web2 how it is intentioned, as you pointed out... Too expensive to get into it

[hearty cradle]

we are spending $1m+/month
need degen revenue to pay the bills

[radiant sky]

Or masses

[narrow oasis]

IZ launch, the doc I posted in feedback

[radiant sky]

But don't expect happy og degens when economy get fitted to web2 after some years

[radiant sky]

Totally forgot about that

[hearty cradle]

average spending of $50/month, we need 150K players just to pay expenses

[narrow oasis]

Idk Jag brought it up just now

[hearty cradle]

yea just spent few days reading up angry landholders

[narrow oasis]

Seems reasonable to me

[cerulean steppe]

Could you post a link ? I don't know what feedback you are refering to.

[narrow oasis]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1227003710840766484

[regal pike]

But landowners produce 100% of the supply in the ecosystem? Just for clarification

[timber sapphire]

No 5%

[smoky dune]

Can we add to illuvium zero the ability to exchange resources (carbon, silicon, hydrogen) for fuel? Like even at a ratio of 10 mil of one resource for 1k of one type of fuel? I think that would help drive the sale of tier 1 lands at least, as well as be able to dump more fuel into the market for people that don't have the higher tier lands.

[regal pike]

They get 5% revenue, yes. But they also produce only 5%? Big different 🙂

[radiant sky]

Zero doesn't have revenue distribution.
It's 5% of the total fuel production

[regal pike]

Simple Summary:
Illuvium Zero Land was sold with the intention of returning 5% of the total revenue generated from in-game purchases to its holders. This proposal aims to guarantee that landowners receive those returns from all existing and future games within the Illuvium ecosystem.

[radiant sky]

Yes exactly

That's ensured with the 5% fuel IZ produces

All digital sales are going to be priced in fuel

If there is a digital product that can't be sold in fuel due to whatever reason, the revenue share of 5% is going to be distributed according to weekly fuelsales. This is to ensure that those who Sold fuel also get the missed revenue and it isn't airdropped to dead Lands not even played

[narrow oasis]

I find the number of people who misunderstood the fuel generation vs revenue alarming.

[iron veldt]

But overall it’s expected that a t2 gets around 30-40$ a month?

or could the "dead lands" also play big into this?

[radiant sky]

Depends on the revenue

[iron veldt]

What do you expect? I think you are the guy with the most experience in here. Just tell me your gut feeling pls 😄

[vivid cipher]

If you base the estimate of revenue around $6m total monthly revenue then the question becomes what percentage of the total does each single land nft get, comparing across the 4 tiers.

If you determine a percentage (make something up really) then you can scale the amount per land with the variable revenue.

This is my made up pretend monthly fuel take for lands by tier. Its wrong.

$6
$21.60
$55.80
$138

I’ve used probably 7 different unknowable variables that I pretended like I knew what they were to calculate this.

What you can know is that there’s $50,000 on the table for all the lands to compete for their cut when there is $1,000,000 in revenue.

There are 20,000 (technically 19,998) lands. You don’t know how many will be used.
By tier…
12029
5012
2088
869

[mortal mural]

How many will be used move the numbers quite a bit. But we will know in the first few weeks.

[vivid cipher]

I use this spreadsheet to screw around with numbers. It’s got problems. Feel free to make a copy and mess with it if you’d like. Good luck understanding what I did to get the numbers. I don’t remember. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m5gbamMopHqNUpSFPFHC7C1TAQl0x2GHvlnoX_h9MEo/edit

[twin jackal]

when will we be able to open the creates with fuel from the lands?

[mortal mural]

thx for sharing, i love fumbling with excels lol.

[vivid cipher]

When open beta launches on mainnet. When the game is for real.

[twin jackal]

do we have an idea when it will be released?

[vivid cipher]

Maybe late June.

[twin jackal]

Thanks!

[mild ledge]

Or how about $1 - $1000+ jpegs? Because that is the truth. Sometimes I wonder who's side you are on man. Especially when someone new to the game asks you something like this... And you are getting paid by the project you are shortchanging

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-so-angry-eric-cartman-stella-reid-south-park-s10e7-gif-20852892

[mild ledge]

Oh I'm not angry, I'm effin furious!! What do you think a new person will think of the project when you tell them we are selling $50 disks and he will find $1 jpegs in them?? You were elected by token holders to represent the community and getting paid $1500 a month to do that. Yet with these kind of responses you are shitting on the very table that feeds you, disrespecting all the work the team puts into the project, working against the marketing dollars we spend on getting new people in. AND you are blatantly misinform a potential new player.

And you wonder why am I angry??? Take a step back and use 2 brain cells, you will see it why!! If you are taking a position and taking the salary it comes with then also accept the responsibility it comes with! Punk!!

[hearty cradle]

im sorry ur furious by comment
d1sk is a gacha, if we look at the floor price of illuvitar its pretty low
ive seen many people bought illuvitar thinking it was playable character in the game
for me its just not a good investment

infact im critizing the pricing of d1sk and how the total supply is not capped

newcomers are better off buying illuvitar from the marketplace

[whole spear]

They are capped by wave and set though.

[mild ledge]

That is not for you to decide. There are many examples of players buying disks, getting lucky and they are now an active participant of the project. You are representing the project and the least you can do is give objective answers to questions like that, NOT your personal biases!

[hearty cradle]

the ratio does not look healthy for people looking at the marketplace.
600k illuvitars, 11k owners, fp $0.2

actually makes me sad

[vivid cipher]

If this discussion of #🎮〕illuvium-beyond could be kept civil and moved to the appropriate channel I’d be greatly pleased.

[radiant sky]

Peli knows 🙂

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-i-know-nothing-gif-4351574

[mortal mural]

@vivid cipher on your zero google sheets where it says "Daily plays with 1000 PayingDAU" you mean like overworld runs?

even with all the downsides we had in the past, zero is still the most fun to speculate and theorycraft to me.

[hearty cradle]

that was my opinion. i personally prefer to give people the more likely scenario. they spent some money, got nfts and the nfts price is much lower than what they have spent. im sorry i dont shill the project the way u want it.
i traded nfts, the last thing i want to do is shill and people get rekt

[indigo charm]

a question and excuse me. Will the lands at the official launch be profitable per day or is their profitability in resources for Overworld appreciated more in the medium term?

I want to make an investment in some land but I have doubts since it is the first time

[hearty cradle]

agreed

[indigo charm]

Thanks

[mortal mural]

i think there is a minimum revenue to be achieved before distribution. but this is not enteriyl clear to me with ZERO. maybe some mods have a much exact asnwer to this.

[vivid cipher]

It’s all based on what you are able to produce in the #🎮〕illuvium-zero game. It won’t likely be an everyday thing to mint fuel.

[mortal mural]

what kinda of doubts do you have?

[vivid cipher]

I don’t think that is how land works.

[hearty cradle]

nobody can tell you how much roi u gonna make from buying land.
but ill spend sometime here DYOR

[mortal mural]

i think i got the whole thing backwards. gonna start reading back the iips.

[vivid cipher]

[radiant sky]

No need to shill.
Just Tell the facts, and everyone can decide on his own 🙃

[mortal mural]

dont tell my wife while i put me up to date

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-kevin-and-jim-kevin-gesture-kevin-eats-key-gif-21595159

[indigo charm]

My doubt is: is it better to buy a land of a specific tier and resources or is it better to just buy the resources directly with money?

[mortal mural]

im afraid to answer and be wrong now lol

[hearty cradle]

Whats the floor price of illuvials u get from a $50 d1sk

[hearty cradle]

LOL

[hearty cradle]

u want honest opinion or u want a shill?

[ocean haven]

its pokemon packs on steroids, most are not worth much but you can hit the jackpot

[indigo charm]

honest opinion

[hearty cradle]

damn

[mortal mural]

he is just asking about zero, not the whiole project.

[hearty cradle]

bruh stahp lol

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[mild ledge]

I never said you should shill. You said $1. That is the worst possible scenario, without mentioning all the other possible outcomes. In fact, a $50 disk is a megadisk, with a guaranteed 1550+ power illuvial and 4 other items. It might not even be possible to open as low as $1. Except you didn't know that, because you personally don't like beyond. Yet you still felt you should answer $1.

If you don't understand what it means to give objective answers and not your personal biases then I don't know what else to tell you. It is a shame the we have a representative like this...

[mortal mural]

i gotta read back the whole thing again, for like the 3rd time. i let you guys be

[hearty cradle]

since this is your first investment. ill say the wise way is to spend some time in the project.
play pb4
Ask people how many fuels they can produce each day
decide how long are you planning to invest

[hearty cradle]

TL floor price is $2 cmon

[indigo charm]

The thing is that I don't know Land's fuel performance and that's why I ask because I have to compare it with what is consumed and my possible future expenses.

[radiant sky]

Chance 100% you get a fp asset out of the disk? 😄

[indigo charm]

It is knowing if with the land I obtain a good percentage of resources or a very minimal one?

[hearty cradle]

dr spoon got a calculation on fuel output. But its still can change
And fuel price is tba

basically, nobody knows

[indigo charm]

Can the official fuel price change?

[hearty cradle]

yes

[mortal mural]

but we are kinda of pushing the idea of a minimum in the community if that helps.

in reality we are waiting on updates to theorycraft.

[hearty cradle]

its better to do an iip

[indigo charm]

ok it would be good I think they are high for the majority but it is good to know what possibility there is of them going down thank you

[hearty cradle]

frankly the main council will decide on fuel price. even so, it can be changed along the way depending on market condition and supply from iz

[indigo charm]

The market is alive and changes, it is true.

[hearty cradle]

someone made speculation assuming $10m/month revenue, and the BEP from selling fuel on T1 was 96 months

NFA

[mortal mural]

@hearty cradle btw i think you represent a big chunk of community just right, even though you are a bit cinic sometimes.

[indigo charm]

Ok bro excelente

[mild ledge]

If you were wondering what triggered the exchange above it was this. Everyone can form their opinion, I'm gonna leave it at that.

[mortal mural]

you basically all day in for the project and i appreciate it as i appreciate all the people making insane efforts for ILLUVIUM. market hasnt discounted ILV price that is for sure.

[mortal mural]

i agree with you, sometimes he be like that and we should tell him.

[hearty cradle]

bad jokes friday. apologies

[mortal mural]

i know they are jokes, but im guessing new people doesnt know the discord lore 😂

give a few months we about the get discord lore the size of warhammer

[hearty cradle]

with henry cavill?

[mortal mural]

we would blow up. i think he is too busy with warhammer though.

[iron veldt]

Thx rlly much!

[iron veldt]

I think it’s better to be honest like you

You say what you think and that’s way better than fooling people with fakenews

[hearty cradle]

yea some people prefer that, some people hate it.

[mild ledge]

There are people who will honestly tell you that Earth is flat. It does not make them right, in fact, this is how they fool people who believe them. There is nothing fake about mentioning the true range of possible outcomes when someone opens a disk. Or do you think that only mentioning the worst possible outcome is the right answer?

[iron veldt]

Earth is not flat?

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cbt-tony-stark-ironman-balls-iron-man-cbt-flat-earthers-when-they-realize-gif-23805639

[oak ruin]

The illuvium lands going for crazy cheap prices makes me feel terrible for soending so much on the land sale lol.. At least I do have a good megacity ready.

[iron veldt]

Question is, if Illuvium Zero land is flat

[mortal mural]

Put it in the questions next town hall

I want to know now

[iron veldt]

Hmm, you might be right. Thanks

[mild ledge]

Oh I see, you are just a funny troll and not actually interested in giving people truthful answers. My mistake engaging you, won't happen again!

[indigo charm]

[iron veldt]

If you have a bad day, go insult someone else and not me 😭

[mortal mural]

To the guys saying they were playing on a tablet with a pen. Is like a recommended model?

[maiden plank]

I used an iPad with pen and it worked well. I don't know much about other brands' tablet pens.

[tardy falcon]

I use comp, tablet and phone. Tablet def best imo.

[indigo charm]

Brand?

[tardy falcon]

Galaxy tab

[mortal mural]

I thought iOS wasn’t available

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-truth-is-i-thought-the-same-thing-preacher-lawson-same-thoughts-thinking-the-same-in-the-same-wavelength-gif-19002674

[maiden plank]

Opps was thinking of a different game on the iPad- used a laptop for Zero. It's been a while since I was on it.

[tame pine]

There is any options to I try the zeor game without land?

I want to buy one, but firstly I want see how its works.

[radiant sky]

There should soon be f2p on testnet

[tame pine]

And when? I already playing testnet.

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[radiant sky]

Unknown
Waiting on Info

[tame pine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-adorable-shrek-pussinboots-i-want-gif-4506349

[tame pine]

Ohh, okey ,thanks 😄

[radiant sky]

Need to be Ranger for gifs 😄

[tame pine]

Ohh noooo 😦 Can I get a role?

[opal thistle]

Level 5....check progress in #👑〕bot-commands type !rank

[tame pine]

btw, I really want to buy one, I love this game 😄

[bronze nebula]

when you want to trade your fuel from land 1 to land 2 is it on chain or ingame trade?

[tame pine]

Okey, I try to reach

[radiant sky]

Make sure to do proper research 🙃

[tame pine]

Yes, but I didn't find a lot of info about it.

I interested in how to work.

Like, range between build is important and what is lake etc.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tame pine]

Is there any info or wiki?

[tame pine]

Ohh, thanks :d I check this

[radiant sky]

Idk
Probably ingame

Btw last Info was plot to plot Transport isn't ready for open beta

[bronze nebula]

hmm lets see

and when its on chain then which one eth or so

[radiant sky]

Imx (Gas free)

[bronze nebula]

so olny the ilv token is on eth? right?

[tame pine]

Another question, Can I sent directly fuel and others without using market like I want to gave some fuel to my girlfriend to play Overworld?

[radiant sky]

Staking, yes
But staking v3 planned for layer2

[radiant sky]

No
There were talks about an Option so you can use fuel out of IZ on the Same Account for OW.

[tame pine]

OHHH, OKEY

[bronze nebula]

that means you can use or sell but not trade to other player?

[radiant sky]

yea

[tame pine]

this is sad :/

[radiant sky]

otherwhise there would be too many otc trades i guess, to avoid dex fees

also the 19:1 ratio would be tricked

and dao would make no money

[tame pine]

@bronze nebula My love, you also need to get a land 😄

[bronze nebula]

and let me guess you cant share the same land

[bronze nebula]

sure i wanted to make diet 😂

[tame pine]

I need too xd

[bronze nebula]

i saw some land have attributes? or so what would you say is the best or do the land need to have much fuel/resources as can?

[tame pine]

I reall, want a land 😭😭😭

[bronze prairie]

No, whoever made something like my picture did. The site no longer exists @tame pine

[tame pine]

Ohh, sadly :/

I think, I need to learn so many before I get one land

[bronze prairie]

Well, it's not exactly like that. It's very simple

Do you want T1 or something more?

[tame pine]

I don't know yet, But I thinking about a lot. I don't know which is the best, I buy one what is has ecerything, or buy more land which are different .

[tame pine]

Tier what means in land?

[bronze prairie]

T1 ti is best for skin production, while higher tiers are ti for playing OW as well as selling fuel.

That is my humble opinion for all these years that I have been here.

[bronze prairie]

More benefits. There is T1 and up to T4 currently

[tame pine]

You mean, from T2 I get more fuel than T1 if two land have the same number of fuel spot?

[tame pine]

I want to play OW, but I want to also selling and get profits from it

[bronze prairie]

https://zero.illuvium.io/faqs

Look at those questions and report back when you've read them all

[tame pine]

Ohh, I will check it 😁

[tame pine]

Okey

[bronze prairie]

It is best to start from T1. You can certainly use it best for creating skins. And you can certainly play OW with it. It is only necessary that it has CRYPTON as the main fuel, as in my example

[tame pine]

Ohh, okey, Thanks those information. ❤️

You are very helpful 😄

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wintry thunder]

hello guys

thanks to helpfull kind people

❤️

[pearl imp]

[simple geyser]

Hey guys! Could someone clarify to me about the airdrop season. I was reading about it and I understood that at this point the airdrop points are for those who play Illuvium overworld testnet, am I correct? I also understood that we are going to get airdrop points playing Illuvium Zero during the open beta (mainnet)

I am wondering if there is any point in playing Illuvium zero now besides learning more about it

I am new here, so I am trying to read as much as possible about the games, but I haven’t found answers for those my questions

[pearl imp]