🎮〕illuvium-zero

[pearl marten]

What pings? Who is going to answer IZ stuff?.... who would you ping?
Like i said ... at this point i think it's better to just shut up and go with the flow if you still feel things will go your way or you always have option nr 2...

[radiant sky]

just ping IMC

actually ICC should do all this shit by themself, but you can see thei not really interested in all of this 😄

[weary bluff]

we cannot allow council to handle this. it has been clear since day 1 that they do not have our best interest, if its up to them land will be even more useless

[teal mural]

We starting on time, we are good to go. Why Johnny leaving

[pearl marten]

We're talking for a day about this ... i haven't seen anyone from IMC ICC getting into the discussion apart from a few thoughts from Scruba and Jag.... <@&814435151307866142> <@&1107754780744487002> (sorry if i left anyone out of it)

[weary bluff]

cuz theyre ready to vote.. it reached us because they approved it.

[radiant sky]

you need to ping them, they don't read in here if you don't ping.

[pearl marten]

Oh great ... at least Community Subcouncil hints to me that they should read stuff without being pinged .. idk i might be wrong

[radiant sky]

should

i guess they have jag for that, and he has to inform everyone in every meeting what is going on

[pearl marten]

Great if that's how it works i want to run for council next epoch

[high sleet]

Wait hold on

whats up?

[normal escarp]

we do but there's a lot of you lol

[high sleet]

I am currently mostly in Overworld and Arena and Token and General chats atm, so I apologise

What is the concern?

[pearl marten]

check this #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[high sleet]

What happened before that?

I've come close many many times to just leaving the Illuvium discord as well tbh

So I dont blame anyone who does

[pearl marten]

it all comes from a discussion about the IIP that was presented this morning - https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1237926169756696628

[high sleet]

Yes I am familiar with this

To clarify, this proposal gives the community literally everyything they asked for

So what issue came up?

[pearl marten]

we asked a few more questions (you can see them above Johnny's reply) and yeah that's the short version of it

[radiant sky]

see... they don't read in here

[pearl marten]

not really .. idk when we asked for the 'deletion' of megacities for the first 3 months

[craggy shoal]

To be fair we cant all be looking through these threads all the time. We get a ping and here we are.

[pearl marten]

which basically gives a holder it's advantage .. faster development vs other plots

[high sleet]

What u asked for, was the game to be released with everything else.

Something has to break somewhere

[radiant sky]

to be fair you don't have to do that... being here once a week and you would have gotten the sentiment

i guess thats not too much to ask for community council

[high sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/akrilicous-gif-19065187

[pearl marten]

Why not delay f2p then? why does it have to break for us everytime?

[craggy shoal]

I got the sentiment. I was looking through the gov idea thread earlier

[radiant sky]

ok

[high sleet]

My guess is f2p is easy asf. I would have guessed that megacities needed to be delayed either way if u want the release timing

[radiant sky]

so what would you say how we get closer to the solution?

[high sleet]

U delay the entire Open Beta 3 months

[normal escarp]

it's not just deleting it for the sake of deleting it, we have to operate within the bounds of reality and if we want zero to launch alongside the other games then some parts of zero won't make the cut.

Would we rather not have zero launching with the other game titles?

[high sleet]

If u want ILV token to be 0$ then we can do that

thats fine too

[craggy shoal]

Are you talking specifically about the mega cities being delayed 8-12 weeks?

[high sleet]

Seriously listen to yourselves, it sucks, I know it sucks. But at some point something breaks

And I'd rather the token not go to 0 and bankrupt the DAO

[radiant sky]

idk you tell me... you got the sentiment

[high sleet]

I just would

[pearl marten]

so this was a month ago .. and if you take into account 3 more months of delay after Open Beta it means megacities need 4-5 months of dev time.. why is that? Johnny said no one was working on megas because they were working on f2p - so don't assume f2p is easy as f

[weary bluff]

it does not compensate blueprints or launching zero weeks before the rest of the games. it also does not fully compensate the progress loss of MC.

[high sleet]

I have no idea, they dont tell us as much as you'd think

[craggy shoal]

Ha. I mean thats the sentiment I got, but like I said I havent been combing through all conversations for the past 24 hours

[high sleet]

It definitely doesnt

But what does the DAO do?

Its hands are tied guys

The team is doing everything they can

[weary bluff]

not really? demand compensation?

[high sleet]

And bankrupt the DAO?

It doesnt make any sense

Whats the point of compensation if everything goes to 0

[normal escarp]

the team is alerady working like 14 hour days, i don't think most people understand this tbh

we have to be realistic with our "demands" or it all goes to zero

[pearl marten]

Okay then so our questions are legit.. why does it take megas another 4-5 months of dev? since they were planned from Q4 last year and it was said they will be here with OB

Who can answer this?

[radiant sky]

everybody understands this, thats not the point

[high sleet]

Johnny, until yall made him leave. Nick, but he had to leave for health reasons

U guys dont see the team is burning out

[normal escarp]

if the point is that we won't have megacities in time for OB then it absolutely is the point...

[pearl marten]

oh we do .. i have stated many times i have great respect for the team .. and congratulated them on every occasion

[normal escarp]

i'm not sure why we aren't being understanding of this then

if they were just choosing not to do it because they didn't want to, that's different

[high sleet]

But I agree, transparency is the issue here. But if we ask for more then people need to spend an extra hour every day doing that for the community too. Its just nuts

@noble quest can you please answer for the community, why Megacities were not prioritised over F2P. And if the IMC ever approved this earlier on in the discussions?

[craggy shoal]

We went from the possibility of all of IZ being delayed to IZ now being on time with the rest of open beta. I considered that a win. Does the commnity now want the delay back so mega cities can come with the launch of IZ?

[normal escarp]

johnny already answered these questions in that thread you linked; megacities is proving to be a bigger lift than originally anticipated.

If we don't like that answer then become a developer and go help lol.

[pearl marten]

So why is f2p prioritised over that? since megas were planned way before.. since last year

[true cradle]

ty to all the illuvium team, i really respect your hard work guys.

[normal escarp]

i don't think it's a matter of prioritization. They are doing both. Megacities are just proving to be a bigger lift than anticipated, so it's going to take more time.

[pearl marten]

Why don't we delay f2p for 2 months then? Is it really that we depend on IL Zero F2P ? our entire IP and economy is revolving around Zero F2P?

[normal escarp]

IL Zero F2P is a big deal yes, if we want to adopt users into our ecosystem.

Our entire IP and economy definitely isn't revolving around Megacities imo.

It's a nice-to-have, not a have-to-have. Especially compared to F2P offerings acting as a top of funnel acquisition tool for new gamers.

[high sleet]

If they were prioritised then I can see the frustration and I personally agree with you. But ultimately this is between the DAO (IMC) and Labs. If this is true, then we need to understand how their conversations went. @potent dock was this ever discussed? And should we have a process so the community is a part of the prioritisation discussion for Illuvium in general?

[high sleet]

Personally I disagree, I don't believe in the conversion power of Mobile F2P games, but that's just me

[radiant sky]

it was... 1 week after mavia launch

[high sleet]

Now if Arena had a mobile offering

[pearl marten]

yes i totally understand why it's important ... but i don't like the 'well thank you for your money and efforts but we unfortunately have other plans so you can wait some more as we decided things are more important than your investment in us'

[high sleet]

Yeah and I don't think it ever should have been a priority. But yelling at Johnny over it doesnt make sense

[radiant sky]

nobody yelled at him

[normal escarp]

I think it's a moot point because the team has been working on both. If one was prioritized over the other than that's not something the ICC is privvy too, but maybe the IMC had that discussion with Labs.

[pearl marten]

And again it's not like IL Zero was designed a few months back ...i hate that we have to go into this again but it's been 2 years since plans were made... it was just bad management? or what?

[normal escarp]

i mean i get it, landowners want to be able to cash in on their megacities. As someone with 100+ plots of land I personally would love to have megacities sooner, but do I think megacities are more impactful than f2p for our dao and game ecosystem? Unfortunately no

[broken roost]

nobody yelled at him and no one made him leave, you just came here without reading and started assuming those

[pearl marten]

No one said any bad words against Johnny i assure you

[broken roost]

if anything we like him

[high sleet]

I have read 90% of his messages for the past 2 months. And this is not the first message he has sent like this. Yelling or not, this is from a buildup of cruel community members over a long period of time

[weary bluff]

as i said, theres still work to be done on that IIP. then we need to discuss cosmetics .

[broken roost]

X Doubt

[high sleet]

Not X doubt, I go through his messages in this chat every single week for the download. I literally read them all on a weekly basis

[normal escarp]

The reality is that games take a lot longer to make than people think, and more importantly when it comes to creating cutting-edge tech it takes even longer to do and along the way like a dozen things are going to break.

I can point out a dozen other projects in our space that have hit delay after delay for years, quality projects and quality teams. This is not an issue unique to Illuvium and we need to try to support them instead of just banging down the door at every opportunity.

What they are doing is hard af, shit breaks often and things that you think are going to work end up just not working.

That's just the no-BS truth of the situation tbh.

[weary bluff]

council should have pushed for hiring more ppl to develop zero long time ago, yall knew what was the situation.

[grave island]

it wasnt just cruel, imo this place is filled with people with different needs and wants. Many people want zero to out fast (single plot holders), some want delays some outright hating unless the devs brings 100% what was promised (impossible since there needs to be a compromise somewhere).

[weary bluff]

now instead of pointless discussions, focus on this, this is the only thing that can fix the situation.

[high sleet]

I wanted to find an alternative word for cruel. Personally I don't think anyone has ill intent. But I know how it feels some days when your entire community is against you, I have seen way too many chats in ideas asking for people to get fired. As much as I care about the sentiment in ILV Zero, I know Johnny must be feeling like ass.

If you think that is going to get Megacities faster, then you are mistaken

[tardy falcon]

Damn homies. Wtf happened in here?

[normal escarp]

It's like you guys think we have a money tree in the backyard or something. Let's be real for a sec and realize they're already building three (or four) AAA quality games on a token sale budget and little-to-no actual revenue to hire with. It's amazing that they have been able to amasse a team the size that they have, and we're still working 14 hour days to meet deadlines.

Wake up guys it's not like they can snap their fingers and hire a dozen more mobile devs without bankrupting Labs before revenue comes in.

[weary bluff]

well, yall voted to use silv2 and burn 72m

yall should fix it now

[pearl marten]

I get that .. i supported and still support the team for the past 3 years .. but i can't excuse myself for asking questions and questioning things when we assume we're a DAO
And i don't like the decisions that have been made .. that IIP seems completely off to me and that is it. All i wanted were some answers

Which i still didn't get

[broken roost]

saying Zero is a AAA game and asking us to wake up..

sorry but 6 devs can never make a AAA game

[normal escarp]

if the quesion is why are we priotizing f2p over megacities then my understanding is that we aren't, megacities are just taking longer than f2p. If that isn't the whole story then the IMC or Kieran will have to answer your question, respectfully.

[pearl marten]

Of course .. from what we found out was that f2p was prioritised and megacities weren't being worked on and we'd like to know why?

[high sleet]

Yeah and we can't tell u that. @normal escarp will ask IMC on their next meeting I am sure

[normal escarp]

Best I can do is talk to the IMC and report back, which i'm happy to do, i just don't have that information.

[weary bluff]

theres another couple of weeks wasted

[high sleet]

We have also notified Kieran and co of this chat, so they shouldn't be far away

[radiant sky]

the why doesn't bring a solution anyways

[weary bluff]

.. hes the reason we ended up in this situation

[pearl marten]

at least maybe we get some more transparency ...

[high sleet]

He is the one with the answers, idk what u want me to say

[radiant sky]

i'm actually surprised this turned out like that... when i said to torrex ping imc /icc i expected a constructive debate and not a hailstorm of pointing fingers and thorw arround stuff like cruelty, wake up, and some standardphrases

[normal escarp]

Look if the community wants megacities to launch with OB and we delay OB 2-3 months to make that happen, then that's a totally different discussion. But just snapping our fingers and demanding megacities isn't productive.

If we just want to know why megacities are taking longer, then that's info we can get.

[pearl marten]

Maybe it's time for a new AMA then with some real time/live questions from the community? 😉

[high sleet]

I have some ideas for proposals regarding transparency. If you or anyone else would like to help me, we can make a group chat outside of here

[high sleet]

I mean that's not a bad idea, I know a Town Hall is coming up

[normal escarp]

i'm not positive on timeline but i think we have one loosely planned for next week or the week after.

[high sleet]

A constructive debate? We don't have any answers for you lmao. What do u think we know? Of course redirection to other people is going to happen

[pearl marten]

yeah i feel somewhat responsible for the entire shitstorm honestly ... especially cuz one of my questions triggered Johnny's reply also ... i never intended something like this to happen

[weary bluff]

would u atleast agree not to vote on that IIP until its reworked?

[radiant sky]

you are not.
questioning stuff is what this discord is about to a big part

[high sleet]

We vote based on community sentiment. If they want adjustments then yeah we will propose that to Kieran of course

[weary bluff]

it doesnt address 2 important factors at all and clearly MC owners are not happy.

thank you

[normal escarp]

What are the other 2 important factors we should bring up to him? Just to clarify

[weary bluff]

blueprints delay isnt compensated
few weeks earlier launch of zero isnt compensated

[normal escarp]

okay, thanks, will bring these things up

[weary bluff]

may i mention another big issue we have as land owners that needs to be addressed while i have yall here ?

[normal escarp]

sure

[weary bluff]

cosmetics, land should be the only source of that permanently. any already promised or distributed should be made non sellable / non tradeable, so we can keep the unique utilities of land and preserve its value

with that, my job here is done and i hope we find a way. cosmetics is non negotiable.

[high sleet]

Wait I dont understand the few weeks earlier thing. What do u mean exactly?

[weary bluff]

zero was supposed to launch weeks earlier than any other game to allow us to build up.

current iip removes that

[high sleet]

Illuvium Beyond is a major source of cosmetics. But they are different cosmetics, not ranger or drone skins. Currently Illuvium Zero is the only source of cosmetic skins

[pearl marten]

I don't know how you got to 'we're snapping our fingers and want stuff' .. you might take this a bit more serious and read the entire thing

[weary bluff]

you know what i mean, i dont mean illuvitars

[bitter glade]

All devs have to deal with how their community interacts. And let’s be honest, there’s a lot of hot takes out there. Maybe even more in the crypto community than the gaming community.

In any case, the way devs keep their sanity is to simply ignore it. However, that isn’t an option for us, and so we have discussions with you guys for better or worse.

But it is draining. There are 4 games and different people have different focuses, so it often feels like the community is just constantly saying “everything is wrong” when really it is different people finding specific issues (as they see it).

I can say with total honesty that it often feels like a minor (but still pretty big and loud) part of the community could be distilled down to one single demand: “do whatever it is that personally benefits me the most”.

We hoped that our approach of being community first and being accountable to the token holders would offset that (because this sentiment exists everywhere) but sometimes it feels like it has exacerbated it.

End of the day we are doing this because we want to build something great. Nobody would bother with this level of stress otherwise. Even if it doesn’t change the general sentiment, I hope that perspective can at least be appreciated.

[grave island]

they cant do that anymore, the ball already rolling.

[high sleet]

Collecting all Doka Illuvitars grants u a battle board skin for example

[pearl marten]

It's not difficult to be ironic but actually it's more difficult to come up with solutions

[weary bluff]

yeye, im aware, which is why it needs compensation

[weary bluff]

as i mentioned, all promised/distributed should be non sellable/ non tradeable to preserve utility of zero.

if that is unique to beyond, sure

[high sleet]

Well its tradable cause u can trade the Dokas. But I would just refine your statement to maintain Illuvium Zero as the only production of cosmetic skins, weapons, suits, drones etc

[weary bluff]

i trust you, cuz i know you know utilities better, but im sure u know what i mean when i say that

[normal escarp]

not saying you are saying this, i'm saying others have, and we should try to stay productive in what we're talking about and not just barraging the team for sake of barraging.

IMO.

[high sleet]

That's the thing. I want to make sure we are on the same page. I hope I know what you mean but don't want to assume

[iron laurel]

I'm a land holder. I care about IZ and have a megacity but Johnny is right, some of you have gone insane. Talking about how people should be fired and expecting the whole game to be put on hold for IZ. I get the frustrations but there are reasonable ways of asking questions and then there is what has been going on with this board for the last month or so. It's really sad to see Johnny finally having enough of it but I don't blame him. I have been staying away from here lately and I know others who have as well.

We all paid money for land but come on. The team is trying. You can't always get what you want when you want it and yeah, I know what was promised but unfortunately things happen. You have to work with people not make them hate you. You want your investment in land to be worth something? Try not being so negative when we have a lot of new people coming to the board because the game is fun to play and getting people excited.

[normal escarp]

well said

we should pin that in here

[weary bluff]

if mistakes have been made we cannot ignore that either. we can only look for a solution, ive been sayin that this is coming from long time. imagine what it would have been like if zero didnt launch at all.

[broken roost]

first positive comment in months. Lets pin it !!

[iron laurel]

You have been the worst of the lot, calling for the whole game to be put on hold. You don't speak for me and you don't speak for many of the other land owners but you act like you do. You have called people on the team names and said they should be fired.

[weary bluff]

i still think kieran should be removed tbh. i cant have that opinion?

[pearl marten]

Of course and i totally understand and accept that. You know that earlier this morning i congratulated the entire team on a completely different topic.
Even i replied to Kieran about how he can't make everyone happy regarding the PB4 allocation of spots ... so again i totally understand that...

But what i really love about being here for the most part is the transparency and the fact that i'm not afraid to ask stuff... even if it's difficult to take in - we all have jobs and are responsible for what we're doing (at least it's how it should be). And of course things seem way too subjective when someone asks about a specific thing but it's just because we can't see the entire picture - i'm sure many from the team can't even have access to everything.

So situations like this will still occur whatever and however things are done imo.
Now i wouldn't want to be afraid to ask stuff because people from the team are stressed out - and again i don't want to seem an asshole here because i appreciate the hard work and long hours they are doing - but who should we come to when things don't seem to go in our direction? When we are just 'idiots that think the team is out to get us' ?
I think part of this whole thing occurred because transparency and information about Zero especially hasn't been as it should have or how it was in the past.

[iron laurel]

You can have whatever opinion you want to have.
Kieran is the one that put up money from his own pocket to motivate the team to get IZ out in time though so you may want to rethink that.

Do you have just one T1 plot @weary bluff?

[tardy falcon]

I'm with this perspective. I've been playing... really really happy with the progress. OW is funnn. Looking forward to Zero being launched with the other games all together. I have a MC too and think the proposal is reasonable. It's an exciting time... I think we have to zoom out.

[weary bluff]

yep

[weary bluff]

hes also the one that got us in this position, i wouldnt have this opinion otherwise. council is at fault too.

[high sleet]

And this is where I'd like to take the conversation. If we can implement better transparency systems it would be beneficial.

Even if thats a space where people can ask the ICC questions directly that we can bring to the team.

But I'd like to build systems where every Labs team disseminates weekly breakdowns of decisions

[pearl marten]

We can have a chat about it ofc - i know you said it earlier sorry i got caught up and never replied to that

[weary bluff]

you do realize that without me there wouldnt be zero on launch, right ? i pushed and pushed and got muted 15 times until it had some support to get here

few others too, but , yes

u dont even hold land, but u talk here

[iron laurel]

I have 9 plots. They are all under Torialland. 1 city and 5 other plots.
I think Zero would have launched just fine without you. All you managed to do was annoy the team and turn this place into a completely negative environment at a time when we have new people coming in that might be interested in it.

I just don't hold all my Illuvium assets on on wallet.

[weary bluff]

u can link multiple wallets with collab land fyi

[broken roost]

Everyone here expected Zero to launch fully 2 weeks prior OB as the IIP stated. Now suddenly (precisely why and when all this mess started, say a month ago) it turns out this was false information, we find that Zero is being delayed, MC delayed, BPs delayed... and what do we get? Accusations and hate for asking questions. Lovely.

[dusky copper]

I hope it's for a good cause

[broken roost]

you got any extra hope? i need some of those

[dusky copper]

well they never gave a deadline for the new IZ release .. so they didnt break any promess .. I hope that they took their time for a good reason 😛

meanwhile im enjoying the ow

[tardy falcon]

I'm going to make an assumption. I don't think the team is happy about Zero delay either. But these are the circumstances. Coulda woulda shoulda... here we are. I can see why Johnny is upset... he literally listened to the community and made zero happen for OB launch. There had to be compromises... compensation is built in to the proposal. Johnny moved mountains.

[high sleet]

This is basically why I am somewhat heated rn. No matter what, the team loses. U cant just add 24 hours to a day. But I understand the community wanting to know why it happened this way.

That being said I can see the future, the questions won't ever actually end. There's no end point, that's fine but to act like that would end this discussion is a bit silly

[grave island]

Then some people want to delay it again, basically making his effort worthless. I would go nuts as well.

[weary bluff]

welcome to my world

[dusky copper]

appreciate what's built for now and wait for more .. stop being so dramatic .. they didnt even make an annoucement about the new IZ date release or smtg ..

[weary bluff]

keep in mind that this is just compensation for certain things, we are yet to have conversation about production of zero and balance of OW prices.. theres gonna be a lot more to discuss and fix. what i need the team to take from this situation is that they should first talk to us before go on to make IIPs and council votes.

[radiant sky]

they actually did today.
check out the proposal
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1237926169756696628

well not an exact date.... but at least roughly ^^

[broken roost]

lol thats so true. Anyone here would've gone nuts way before he did. He had an impossible task, there is no way this is fixed and everyone goes home happy. Im thankfull for him, but i don't take blame, or blame anyone in the community for him leaving. Thats not the community's job, if he needed help, help should've come from the team.

[dusky copper]

then what's the issue ? they confirmed that it will be included in the testnet

[weary bluff]

just read in that chat, no need to explain to everyone 1 by 1

[radiant sky]

Maybe ask chatgpt for a tldr of the last few hours...
Not starting this discussion again 😄

[dusky copper]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

[broken roost]

we are drained 😅

[dusky copper]

@weary bluff lower your ego .. just a little advice that can help you in life

[whole spear]

What happened here

[mortal mural]

Oh no rich is here I’m out guys

I’m on torial side btw

[weary bluff]

first illuvium war

[stoic pier]

are you able to purchase land in the beta? Whenever i go to look at a land plot, it never loads. Tried for a couple days now

[bitter phoenix]

Vote to remove Battlecries.

[radiant sky]

IZ is not in pb4

[bitter phoenix]

I’m so sick of listening to the relentless whinging

[stoic pier]

ah okay. Thank you

[weary bluff]

u tryna start IW2 ? : D not saying it wont work... theres no need of vote even, its 2 clicks for team. but.. i believe ppl that r actually realizing that we are trying to do good by land owners will surely start the illuvium war 2 ; p

ive been nothing but nice today, gave proper feedback that council is considering.. its easy to blame me and thats fine, used to it : )

[rose maple]

Let's just get rid of the DAO, I couldn't imagine working and being accountable to an angry mob.

[bitter phoenix]

I’m trying to stop the argument. The team is burnt out. We are loosing team members at a time when we need to be encouraging and supporting them.
Life is hard. Work is hard. Imagine being told ever day that you aren’t doing enough when your working your arse off.

[weary bluff]

so hows that my fault, lol 😄 i wasnt even here when all this started and ended

[bitter phoenix]

If I had to deal with your complaints every day in real life I would give you reasons to stop and think

You may not have started todays but your always here storing the pot

[weary bluff]

nope, i made clear points what wasnt considered and what needed to be done, in fact i was the only one to do so

even took care of cosmetics issue that council will now review

[bitter phoenix]

For months you have

[weary bluff]

well duh, i was warning yall for this exact moment, would have been worse if zero didnt even launch as was predicted.

[bitter phoenix]

Oh yes you’re going to save us all with your criticism and complaining.

[weary bluff]

tried ; p

[bitter phoenix]

What you’re doing imo is counterintuitive. You are making things very unpleasant

[weary bluff]

i believe that without ppl like us that hold council and team accountable things would have been much worse, but of course i respect your opinion, uve been pretty clear for the last week or so. for example imo, you dont help, u enable. i try to help : )

not just u ofc, but yes : )

but surely i dont go out attacking you for enabling, maybe consider that : )

[spark latch]

So when you go work and your boss is on your ass all day you become more productive? You become more creative ? Being an angry mood killer isnt making the team doing anything more . Youre under a god complex to think youre the one moving things of a 100+ employee compagnie? For real some people think they so important just cause they screeching everybodies ears

[rose maple]

51 upvotes 6 downvotes, very popular, so it was a good idea.

[bitter phoenix]

I have tried to help. I have written iips.

[weary bluff]

i just point out things.. i cant move anything, look at revdisbro's comment, 51 upvotes and thinks that the iip is fine, while in fact it doesnt address 2 important things that were left out and obviously megacity holders are not happy.

[spark latch]

I invested in this project 3 years ago brother. I have no idea what is your main job . But if every day you wake up and are doing what you like and also making advance this projevt you got all my respect. Fuck all the haters . Are all non achieving brat anywah

[weary bluff]

votes dont always mean "right"

it means its better than before.

[weary bluff]

and i respect that.

[rose maple]

Too stupid to realise the damage you are doing, unconscious incompetence, the worst kind of people to deal with.

[weary bluff]

damage is not done by me. damage was done months ago when they have realized that zero wont be ready on time and they didnt add more people to work on zero.

[spark latch]

It pleases a majority of people and are leftout not everybody is entilted like you. Not all about this life is gonna be handed out to you on a silver plate. If you have enough of this project sell your land and get over it. If your complaining that much youre not bullish at all and your just inflicting yourself mental pain for nothing

[weary bluff]

?? i dont even have megacity.

[spark latch]

At this point we feeding the troll this guy is mutable irl im sure

[weary bluff]

u see what i gotta deal with for trying to do the right thing : )

i can bet none of them even knows what the issues are, but they talk.

[rose maple]

Added to blocked list, it's always the same person in here complaining 24/7.

[sage bough]

Was just about to do the same haha

[radiant sky]

Well he said it was a popular opinion, which it obviously was.
And one could argue that benefiting the majority with sacrificing a minority is a good idea.
It most likely is better than doing it the other Way arround 🙃

[sage bough]

And I hate having to block anyone but sometimes it's just better for your sanity.

[weary bluff]

right.. if theyre fine, everything is fine.

[rose maple]

We are so close to launch, the games are awesome, we should be celebrating not listening to salt factories.

[sage bough]

Yeah agreed

The team should support any of their devs blocking folks as well, for their own health. Obviously a last resort but you don't have to try to please every single person.

[broken roost]

you think all this happened because of 1 guy saying what he thinks?

[weary bluff]

i wasnt even here.. : D

[pearl dust]

Each to their own opinion, but some of the shit in here is crazy lmao

Try bringing something positive to the table and not just shitting over people who put in 16 hour days, only to log onto discord and see people complaining literally non stop

[rose maple]

The last 10 or so times I've checked in on Zero related idea chats or zero chat, it's the same guy spewing negativity 24/7.

[broken roost]

I know, i've been here aswell

[pearl dust]

I’m the same. I do not open this chat often (because of the very reason) but when I do, it’s a very small handful of the same people, whining

It’s upsetting to see

[broken roost]

have you seen much positivity lately?

[rose maple]

Yes I have, people who are playing Overworld love it.

[broken roost]

dude we are talking about Zero cmon..

i love overworld too

Arena even more

[rose maple]

Most people don't want to engage, because the trolls are unreasonable and negative, that gives a distorted view of the situation. The silent majority don't want to engage in here.

Including myself, cya.

[broken roost]

source?

[pearl dust]

The source is that this chat is like 10 people who complain, and everyone else saying they jump in, see you guys ranting, and jump out and enjoy their day

[weary bluff]

bro they have no clue whats happening with the games , they just wanna come here and complain about ppl that r trying to make things right.

[broken roost]

thats... not a source

[pearl dust]

It’s called sarcasm

I’m off, have fun

[broken roost]

man 2/2 im killing it

who next

[pearl dust]

You’re killing team morale, huge for you

[weary bluff]

atleast 2 of them blocked me, i wont have to listen to their opinions that have nothing to do with the games

[broken roost]

NEXT

[spark latch]

Its crazy that after 3 years in this project . Staked on day 1 all my savings. And still havent said shit about this project. Id be curious to see how much money these whiner have invested to be that annoying

Just sell your fucking land for tokens if thats that fucking nerve racking for you. Go buy some bored ape . Or AXS land they are minted and ready to play.

[broken roost]

i also wouldnt like people saying negative things about the things where i have put my money

[spark latch]

You bought a nft on the most volatile market in the world and things didnt go as plan. You didnt get rug pulled and the team around your asset is using time and effort to workout the best possible way the appreciation of your asset.. damn that is so fucked up

Or you can see everything in black and be a karen about everytime your offended the project doesnt take YOUR minority side and ask for the manager

[weary bluff]

i would agree if we talked about beyond, but zero is a game. megacity owners had every right to be upset about this imo.

[broken roost]

the above is a clear example of someone who invested in here, is sad about it, comes here for positiveness and finds nothing but complains, so it understandably upsets him. Now he is angry and needs to blame someone for its bad investment, and of course the blame is ours because we kept morale down 🥲

[weary bluff]

pretty much, yeah

[broken roost]

being called things by the team itself today was a bit too much for me though

[weary bluff]

no worries, theyll later say its a joke.

[broken roost]

i understood that reference

anyway, im off, gonna go try find that bear we need to catch to try and win 4ilv

have a good night

[weary bluff]

bro ive been lookin for like 7 hours : D

[spark latch]

Im not looking at discord for comfort ? I come here to discuss about stuff to improve . Being a negative nancy isnt going to accomplish anything . Its not what you discuss about thats is infuriating its this whiny and entitled tone that get used for shit that majority voted for. When you lose money on stock do you go and talk shit to microsoft or apple ?.

[teal mural]

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[broken roost]

Infuriating, wow, I see I have a huge power over your emotions huh..

[hearty cradle]

wht happened

[bitter phoenix]

Ugh. A heck of a lot of reading to figure it out

[spark latch]

English being my 2nd language i mightv not gauged well the adjective used. you definitly know what I meant and being a smart ass comes and support what I was saying up. Youre not here to spread positivity what are you here for ? Dont you just want it to succed or you spew your money around like a headless chicken on project you dont believe in?

[hazy valley]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628

[hazy valley]

I love my job

[noble quest]

We needed to have a F2P version on Mobile so we can bring more players into the ecosystem. What people aren't realising is that F2P is the gateway to paid which means demand for land and theoretically higher prices. We also built a ton of leeway into the proposal because we don't want to delay things, as Johnny originally mentioned there is a very good chance it is delivered earlier than suggested. The proposal is also a suggestion for multipliers on Mega Cities. We can obviously modify it if the DAO thinks it's necessary.

[marsh sage]

I’ve been watching governance chat (as well as this channel) daily for months now. I feel pretty confident that I know the main points of contention and fundamentally believe that this IIP is a damn good starting point to address most of the concerns. The community pretty clearly thinks so as well as we can’t get 90% of people to typically agree on whether the earth is round or not but that’s the prevailing sentiment with this proposal.

I think we should tweak the balance on Mega Cities valuation and personally agree it’s too low for many of the reasons that have been brought up in governance chat.

[weary bluff]

for normal land owners its good, except the 2 points that i pointed out earlier, its megacity that has it rough.

as long as everything is addressed i believe we will be absolutely fine

[marsh sage]

That said, I don’t understand why the vitriol exists today. Essentially every major point that the community wanted was covered here and there’s still people taking shots at the team over minuscule items. It’s totally appropriate to raise priority topics or ask questions or propose solutions but this has gone a lot beyond that today.

[hearty cradle]

yes its already a compromise

[weary bluff]

we probably have different understandings of "miniscule" blueprints not being a thing is a huge deal? isnt it ?

its one of the 2 major things in zero, the other being fuel

[noble quest]

You don't even own a megacity, but you have taken it upon yourself to be the spokesman of the people "If I don't do it, who will? For I am a man of the people". Yet you just contributed to pushing a key person over the edge, and is now leaving. Someone who picked up the code last week and was helping the IZ team develop the features you are complaining about faster. This will no doubt be a net negative.

It's the same as you telling me I should be removed. What effect could that have? Who is going to raise the capital for us ensuring our runway? Who is going to run the marketing department? We are obviously bigger than any one person, but it would make things much, much harder. You don't see that though. You are short sighted.

I've said it time and time again there are ways to give feedback that are positive that the team understands and respects. And then there is your way of doing it.

We are all working 12+ hours a day, every day, we are all stressed, if you cared about the project why would you want to push people over the edge?

[weary bluff]

i wasnt even here when all this happened, lol

[noble quest]

This is the culmination of many, many months of negativity that Johnny has mostly been handling. Your name is mentioned all the time. If you think you didn't contribute to this you are even more oblivious than I thought.

[weary bluff]

im sorry for expecting what was promised, i guess.

[noble quest]

The worst part is I think you hearing about your name being brought up by our team will make you proud. It's honestly sad to see. Anyway, the damage is done.

[weary bluff]

well, i dont think it was brought up in a good way, so no. im literally counting the minutes until im banned for trying to make sure that land owners secure their future and team keeping their promises. im not asking for anything more than you have said yourself that you will deliever. there was no way megacity owners are not disappointed and of course i will support them, cuz its not okay. zero deserved more attention loong before all this started. yall had the job to plan and execute it, not me.

[bitter phoenix]

I am a mega city owner I’m more than capable of speaking for myself. I do so with compassion and kindness as well as patience

[marsh sage]

This is fundamentally the problem mate. You’re taking the opportunity to hammer the team on a topics that even the people who are most impacted are generally just asking for small tweaks to a multiplier

[weary bluff]

as i said, i wasnt here.

i was the one that gave suggestion on fixing stuff after it happened.

[bitter phoenix]

The loss of team members is unacceptable. I am beyond furious that it has come to this

[barren turtle]

I think land owners are in a panic mode….. seeing fuel low prices. Some transparency on what we’re doing to balance economy will help maybe?

[iron laurel]

There is a straw that breaks the camels back but without the weight piled on before hand it wouldn't happen.
You may not be the straw but you were a large part of the weight.

[weary bluff]

im trying to understand how its my fault that we are underdelievering, but i cannot.

i said this would happen, imagine if there was no zero on launch??

[vivid cipher]

Just stop talking.

[weary bluff]

fine

[vivid cipher]

Thank you. Maybe we’ll see you in awhile.

[iron laurel]

Good advice. I am going to go try to find the elusive polar bear. Quickly becoming my least favourite Illuvial.

[noble quest]

We have said we are working on it. We will be testing different values thoroughly over the testnet period. We aren't going to share our workings with the DAO but like everything will share release notes with the updated values and pricing. The game has been out for 11 days.

[weary bluff]

i promise to show up in zero chat only when cosmetics are addressed and the current iip is fixed to say gj. until then i will be in ow chat discussing illuvials and i will not even mention zero.

[barren turtle]

I trust!!!! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🙏

[opal thistle]

I can't believe I'm finally done back reading....now I know why I can never finish my book.....I'm turning the meesage alerts on this channel maybe with more moderation things wouldn't go this way

[bitter phoenix]

We have lost our major buffer between the community and the team. Nick has left a big hole. The team should be able to focus on delivering the games. Not dealing with the doom loop in here.
I wonder if a discord structure change is in order?

[tardy falcon]

I nominate Battlecries as the Na of Zero

[spark latch]

no need to keep pressing button mate i think situation is descalated

[opal thistle]

Can we please take brake from this...let's keep the conversations on topic and civil

[spark latch]

positivity plz

[tardy falcon]

Done

[long tendon]

I think a lot of people have already said how I feel about the situation but If I was to add a few things here to help make people realize a couple of things it would be this.

Theres a vocal few and perhaps some who'd agree with whats been raised which can fall under the following buckets:

Transparency, Accountability, Action. Why did this happen, Whos to blame, What can be done

The team has already resolved both transparency and action by sharing dev details and the IIP. It may not be as clear to most but the situation is we are currently where we are and Labs has done its utmost best to deliver core features. Were literally less than 2 months away from OB. They said that BP and MC wont make it in time, thats the reality of it. Kieran literally is throwing money at the problem in hopes of it to be developed faster with the incentives he mentioned lol.

Now if people are pushing to delay OB to get all the 'promised' features by OB then thats a different discussion altogether. But from where I stand, the same vocal people want some one to be held accountable. But what will that accomplish now? It would most likely get worse and if Johnny is leaving Labs then we will see the impact of that definitely. Hes the CTO. This isnt someone junior dev that you can easily replace.

Anyway, I sorta digress, what I wanted to point out is that now is not the time to get your pound of flesh. This is the culminating point of Illuvium. Were in the home stretch. We should just allow Labs to focus in delivering the game by OB. Accountability can come after when we have 20/20 hindsight.

TLDR: Let them cook.

[opal thistle]

Thank you ser

[spark latch]

people are fighting ( ina good way) to get OW beta codes. Bull run and alt season is getting closer and closer .The Zero team seems to be in control and even tho didnt make unanimity in the voting we still have the majority of people who seems it is gonna be fine. DAMN DID I FORGET WE HAVE A SAMSUNG PARTNERSHIP . (real life smile)

AND ARE WE ABOUT TO REACH 400 K FOLLOWER ON X ?!!! GET HYPED THE F UP GUYS THIS IS IT !

@noble quest that could be cool to post that 400 k milestone on social media. wdyt?

[simple geyser]

Hey guys!
When I try do check my assets, I connect my wallet on collab.land, sign it, but after that nothing happens. Should I do something after connecting it to have my assets checked?

I guess my nfts aren’t showing on my wallet. Does someone know what I have to do to have my asset in my ethereum wallet? I bought it on the marketplace and I am already using it to play Illuvium zero, but I am trying to have my asset checked to get the access to overworld

[high sleet]

'Make sure that land owners secure their future'. Frustrating the team so much that they leave is doing the opposite. Maybe you think you are helping, and its good to have the discussion but there comes a time where you do more harm than good. And we have now exceeded that threshold. I hope you will consider that from now on.

[broken roost]

i agree, this is probably the best solution for now. Tensions are high and everyone here is nervous because we are actually right around the corner, might as well leave it there and focus on zero later on. I do have to say this, seeing team members and CEO himself come to discord to pile up on 1 community member and blaming him for this situation leaves a terrible image of you all.

[mortal smelt]

I don't like the presumption of Johnny leaving nor should it be put in peoples heads, I agree on pretty much all your spots but giving some sort of ultimatum for what few are clamoring about is not something I preside well with.

[opal thistle]

Please ser let's take a break from this conversation most of this is already said

[spark latch]

so its ok to pile up on people who work for your money to the point they resing but if they talk back youre all of a sudden a victim .. mmhmm ...

[weary bluff]

let it go. its fine. i had it coming. i take responsibility.

[hearty cradle]

lets be fair the IIP is a good progress

we went from IZ delayed to launching at the same time as OB

[mortal smelt]

where does the satisfaction lie is the main question

[hearty cradle]

maybe it's not perfect but lets cheerish this win

[spark latch]

BUT MAN I DESERVE SO MUCH MORE !!!

[mortal smelt]

I am just waiting for OB and it is almost here, the many who made noise about not being included are being included...like where does it end?

[spark latch]

kiding im done being sarcastic . was entertainning nonetheless sad for the team lost . happy if we can set new standard and help being a bit more positive towards people who are using their precious time trying to get us all rich .

[opal thistle]

I'm kindly asking everyone to take a chill pill on this for now.....can you do the same plz

[hearty cradle]

we live to see another day, this is nothing. Wait u til the airdrop farmers are here lol

[broken roost]

for sure

[mortal smelt]

what people aren't realizing is that when we go live it becomes serious imo

all fun and games until then

[broken roost]

now if i could just find that stupid white bear....

[tall crypt]

What participe in Airdrop? The email code receipt, address ETH of lands the code or account epic game?

[cinder crest]

https://tenor.com/view/live-to-fight-another-day-gif-19464777

[cinder crest]

I was hoping subtitles would be mumbled but w/e

[vivid cipher]

1hr slowmode and free swinging ban hammer.

[little moon]

Land is like buying a meme coin. It might not have future value. Learn that and you'll live a very happy life. Peace

[vivid cipher]

The passport wallet. That’s the wallet that is minting stuff in the testnet games. Did you really think you would get an airdrop to your epic games account?

[tall crypt]

I think iluvium should make a USB command console with all the buttons to navigate the Overworld. I don't think it's that hard to design. Another thing is that it is washable. Instead of making so many shirts, one could be made. I would pay up to $200.

[spark latch]

I usually disagree with 99 % of the stuff you say so far. This is 100% accurate. Not taking away the work of team and shrinking to a meme coin status. But as an investor it should be treated the same.

[tall crypt]

If wallet 1 playing in 2023 is ranked by the testnet, it gets a code. When you redeem the code in Epic Game put another email account and passport, you would be playing and accumulating points in this second ETH account. is it like that?

[vivid cipher]

The only wallets connected to the testnet are passport wallets. The Illuvium team may know that you played previous betas. They may know that you own land in your mainnet imx wallet. But those accounts are not playing testnet. They are separate.

[hearty cradle]

what if we close iz channel for the weekend

[vivid cipher]

That’d probably be easier. But it should be fine.

[bitter phoenix]

I have a much better idea.

Let’s actually look at the standards in discord and lift the bar overall.
Make discord great again.

[cerulean steppe]

Just turn on slow mode. Would benefit a few channels to make peope think more before they write. Especially when OB starts.

[hearty cradle]

i like the current discord moderation actually

[bitter phoenix]

It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you

[hearty cradle]

those people already got banned

Wait so sjud is banned but battlecry is still here?

[bitter phoenix]

Any ways. I am just upset for the project and the team atm.
I hope the weekend is full of some fun gaming and touching grass for everyone

[spark latch]

I think freedom of speech is a great thing. but some stuff arent constructive and these should just be a temporary timeout and with increased period of time if the trouble maker/peace disturber is just trying to get under people skins or just abusive/non constructive with his way of dialog.

[hearty cradle]

technically, did battlecry broke a rule?

lets be fair mike posted an idea to fire team member

[random ginkgo]

Is there a way to mute people? People can just mute battle cry and the others

[hearty cradle]

U can block

[cerulean steppe]

Yes, I already blocked battlecry, but sometimes he has a good point and now I miss it. I would prefer slowing things down a bit.

[random ginkgo]

Is there a way to make slow down more for certain people? Maybe make some people have a slowdown of a minute or 2

[hearty cradle]

No

[spark latch]

fair enough. but the problem here from what I understand is more of team member who works on IZ and left because of the way this chat has been lately. they do have to look at it to keep the pulse of their work. but lot of negativity came out lately here and discouraged some members . for sure it can be block. but if it was the fruit oof your labor critiqued in such a shitty way youd probably take personal

[random ginkgo]

Yea it’s unfortunate. Constructive feedback is important but there is a fine line to that

[vagrant heron]

I blocked the Bulgaria guy and na ages ago and the chat feels so much better 😂😂

[hearty cradle]

welcome to web3
its toxic af
twitter is worst

[spark latch]

genius . I mean I guess they worthy of a ban . But I like to discuss with others who arent that bullish since It can eliminate my bias. Keeps your feet on earth .

[spark latch]

iv played league of legend too long to be bothered by a discord chat .

[vagrant heron]

There’s a big difference between being realistic / unbiased and being simply toxic in my opinion

[iron veldt]

Haha, this

[iron veldt]

Say that to the jungle teemo saying ff at minute 8

[subtle shell]

I think many people here see land far too narrowly. I've had land since the auction. And I've been playing ILZ since it was possible. I love this game because it calms me down and it's always nice to see something developing.
Have I paid too much for it now or will I end up with too little? If I take into account all the hours I've spent playing and enjoying it, I've neither paid too much nor do I end up with too little. I have already received what I wanted. Everything else is just a plus.
Of course, you can't just look at an NFT like that. An NFT is also an investment. But if you invest in Illuvium, you should buy the token, not necessarily land. It was clear from the beginning that land would not bring THE BIG return. But Kieran has at least given the land a purpose, which is much more than any other game where the land was just a cash cow for the devs.
I think Kieran and the team have always delivered so far - yes, with delay and change. But anyone who has ever owned or run a company knows that's part of a normal process. You have a vision, you start, you adapt the vision to reality, you change the plan, you try your best. That's how it works.
You can criticize that, sure. But please remember that behind every idea that is realized and works, there are many hours of hard work and many unsuccessful attempts. In my opinion, the team has done a great job so far (just think of all the many games that were announced during the token hype and have since disappeared into oblivion). Perhaps those here who only ever complain should also consider this.

[barren aurora]

Way past constructive feedback at this point, as a land holder myself I am disgusted by the constant obnoxious screeching I see regularly.

You'll never please everyone,no matter how far backwards you bend to attempt to placate these people.

[cinder crest]

Idk if I’ve ever really read this chat but today ilz chat makes token chat look competent.

[bitter phoenix]

Been that way for a couple months. I go to token to hide from zero now. Used to be the other way around

[cinder crest]

Bring back degen channel

[bitter phoenix]

Way too technical for me. But if it shifts the bad vibes from here I’m for it. 😂

[slim wigeon]

This is why I rarely come here most is not constructive at all or just dillusional.
I hope people understand the damage and will change their behaviour in order to assist the team and not pull it down.

The team I would recommend blocking messages for them from people who destroy their motivation every day.
No reason to read the same messages every day it's just lost time and motivation.

We are soon on Mainnet and finally everything is comming together so just enjoy the ride we are so close!

[haughty halo]

i think the difference is, token chat is prone to pretty heavy disagreements on a daily interval, and the people who spent time in that channel are pretty capable of having a respectful conversation.
or at least being put in place by someone with a decent counter argument.
ilz has been getting a beating for a pretty long time now, and i could understand frustration building, but it wont bring any progression crying all day.
Work with the team, not against them. And keep respect no matter how u feel.

[cerulean steppe]

The DAO wants to sell new land in the future, so the DAO will have to add value in form of new assets land can produce e.g. ships besides just fuel. When Illuvium becomes a success as a metaverse there will be plenty of opportunities to assign value to land. I am not worried.

[hearty cradle]

yea need more utility

[hazy valley]

chill the frig out

[rose maple]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-you-so-think-genius-gif-16570918

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[cerulean steppe]

It is like an ecosystem. You need many species and many interactions to make it stable and blossom. Once we have many games and many assets that all feed from and into each other, the economy will stabilize and won't be so dependent on one or two assets or games to succeed.

[lusty crag]

I do not understand why we keep talking after the IIP from Kieran, which at least launches us together (besides Mc, etc) with Open Beta!
That’s what we mainly wanted, and it’s better than the other way, where nothing was certain at all.
So can we give the team a break, bro, for real?
I usually count myself to the vocal once if things must be brought in order. Still, they are now in the best possible way in order, in my personal opinion, so let the team do the work now and relax/enjoy pb4, which feels fantastic, besides some economic tweaks that have to be made - where I’m sure the team will take care of.

Wow, have we seriously lost Johnny?

[hearty cradle]

skins need to be exclusively from IZ

[cerulean steppe]

Yes, there will be some "fights" over who produces what. But there will be less fight, when we have many new assets. As long as we can grow our ecosystem I am not worried, fights usually start when an economy contracts.

[weary bluff]

i said i wont talk until the iip is reworked, but jag could u make sure to ask if zero can still be launched few weeks earlier? we dont need to compensate for that if its possible. cuz i didnt rly understand if zero will be ready to be launched earlier or not. itll save us some effort and resources to the dao

[haughty halo]

Few weeks earlier then what? OB?

nvm i will not get involved into this channel.

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[cloud pecan]

whoever affected a team members mental state to the point they want to leave, go fuck yourself.

[pearl marten]

So I just want to put it in context because I still see people coming in here and pointing fingers without really knowing what happened, and I don’t know if that should be the case.
It all started here : #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

We just wanted some answers regarding the last IIP. No one took shots at the team, no one said any bad words towards anyone and no one even asked for more stuff (compensation/extra % or anything).

After my question and a few answers from Johnny, he made that last comment and that was it. After that we wondered who can get some answers for us and I pinged the 2 councils. And, again, that was IT – I’m referring here to the events that took place in the last idk 8hrs or so.
I don’t know how and why things escalated and I’m sorry for this to have happened as I said it before. It was never intended – as you said Ani asking questions is okay and that is what I like the most about this community –> I can come and ask the difficult questions too and mostly I do get some answers.

What I do know 100% is that my question(s) has been ‘the straw that broke the camel’s back’ and again I feel bad about it and I apologize. I won’t apologize though for making inquiries in a polite manner, again, even if they are tough questions and I strongly feel everyone here can do the same.

And I will say it this again also – we DO appreciate the team, we DO respect their commitment and the hard work they have put in (as people that were part of the conversation already stated) and I can speak only for myself on this but I don’t think this should’ve ever become an ‘us vs them’ situation.
I don’t think we have to turn the zero channel into the black sheep here. If we would’ve played IL ZERO for a couple of months now and OW would be in this situation I think this discussion would’ve happened in the OW channel.

[cerulean steppe]

I don' t think it is about you. More ILV Bulgaria.

[ocean haven]

lets talk about all the positive about zero who's going to start? omE

[pearl marten]

I don't think pointing fingers is the answer though but if anything i don't think he is to blame either (i might have not read everything he wrote i know that) and again, i'm referring to the events that recently took place.

[hearty cradle]

tbh i read it, nothin really stands out today

[lusty crag]

@hearty cradle , can you confirm or PLEASE not confirm that Johnny is gone from Illuvium Zero?

[hearty cradle]

i cant confirm any team related. nda

[cerulean steppe]

It isnt the last 8 hours, it accumulated, I had to block ILV Bulgaria. I can not stand reading the same thing over and over again.

[weary bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[pearl marten]

I can understand your point of view yes

[hearty cradle]

yea sure. but the compensation is for MC

[lusty crag]

For the sake of all of us, we can only hope Johnny remains on the Illuvium Zero team and, in general, the CTO—he has done a fantastic job over the years.

[pearl marten]

If you read carefully Johnny said that he doesn't want to have anything to do with IL zero anymore and if THAT isn't accepted by the council he will resign. He didn't said he is leaving.

[lusty crag]

Well then, Illuvium Zero is screwed - honestly (in my personal opinion), nobody had a better oversight over the technical aspects than Johnny over the years, out of my perspective.

[ocean haven]

so nothing new

[lusty crag]

This time different, next-level screwed.

[hardy brook]

I don't come in here all that much but I did see this post and wanted to comment.

I strongly disagree that blocking is the solution if you find negative people are getting to you. It's a sign of weak character and highlights an inability to extract the valid points someone is making through their emotional language. We can't control how people express themselves in here but we can reframe and cut through the bs in an attempt to at least understand if a valid point is being made.

You can't choose to not have negativity in your life but you can choose how you deal with it.

[lusty crag]

Agree.

[ocean haven]

always was if you ask me its been a long way coming, if one guy can take down the team its just an excuse

[lusty crag]

Well, I haven't seen a co-CTO next to Johnny who ever took such good care of IZ behind the scenes like he did over the years.

[hearty cradle]

maybe @radiant sky ?

[lusty crag]

I didn't know he was even part of the team, probably due to the NDA you mentioned.

[hearty cradle]

izza joke

guys so tense

[lusty crag]

I was joking as well (just for the record).

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-the-twilight-zone-ovation-slow-clap-bravo-gif-21893525

[ocean haven]

thats fair, but overall if you look at zero the last 2 years i do not think its been taken good care of

[hearty cradle]

guys seriously this is a game
game suppose to be fun
Heres something to cheer u up

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-jennie-jennie-kim-kim-jennie-jennie-blackpink-gif-20879056

[ocean haven]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-gif-21821822

[lusty crag]

Remember that the game turned upside down, art-wise and in many other ways.
So, in the end, you're always smarter looking back.

[hearty cradle]

u like?

heres another one

https://tenor.com/view/dance-momoland-nancy-gif-14273288

[tall bear]

Nooooo 😭

[ocean haven]

Like you said its always easier looking back, but i've been saying this for over a year.
i think alot of things should have been done different, anyhow dosent matter now

[lusty crag]

Yeah, absolutely, but things have shifted (market conditions and strategy), and in the end, well, now we ended up with no more CTO in Illuvium Zero, which worries me much more than anything over the last 12 months.

[ocean haven]

Thank you, appreciate it good way to start the weekend 😸

[ocean haven]

if he want to leave its up to him, his a free person like everyone els.
dont forget a founder left not long ago, could also be something big behind the sccens we dont know about

[amber atlas]

Folks I just want to make sure you are all aware that my absence will not affect delivery. Although from time to time I help various teams with code it's been more than a year since I have contributed to IZ code base. From a requirements perspective Dimitry has things well in hand. The delivery is in very safe hands without me.

[lusty crag]

I have no clew, but in my opinion, it's not comparable to Grant's case—they are two different people in different positions with different stories.

[lusty crag]

So it's safe to say that you won't touch Illuvium Zero again from now on?
But Dimitri worked close to your side over the last 12 months, so he has the same oversight as you?

[amber atlas]

I'll provide follow up post once things are discussed with founders and the team. For now I'm off to have a beer and relax for a bit.

[lusty crag]

I appreciate it; I hope you remain the CTO of Illuvium Labs, Johnny.
Enjoy your weekend and a cold beer!

[tall bear]

Anyone that followed the entire show able to make a summary for those that missed it ?

[ocean haven]

yea we only have so much information.
not saying its the same case, but its 2 key people who choose to leave the project for whatever reason, seems wired if everything is going great behind the sccens

[severe sparrow]

He isn’t said he’s leaving the project, just that he wants nothing to do with Illuvium Zero, which tbh seems fair enough

[pearl marten]

check here: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[lusty crag]

Well, Johnny isn't leaving, besides Illuvium Zero - at least, that's my understanding for now.

[ocean haven]

Ohh, sorry dindt read all the backlog there was so much xD
Well i dindt think johnny had been on zero for a while now, but having a lot of overall knowledge i guess his in a little bit of everything

[severe sparrow]

It’s funny isn’t it watching all this - how the upside of asset ownership comes with the downside of people trying to make a dollar.

Perhaps the old world where people paid for in game stuff because they actually enjoyed playing with no other incentives is not so bad after all 😂

You certainly wouldn’t get all this sideshow getting in the way of development.

I’m not saying there’s no merit to asset ownership but it’s interesting watching the trade offs

[ocean haven]

personally i havnt seen the upside yet, just paying 10x normal price 😄

[tall bear]

That depends, is the compensation for megacities showed in the new iip open for debate ? Because if we only get a 25% fuel buff I’d rather have it all delayed 😂

[lusty crag]

You must be joking, right?
Are you even an owner of a Megacity - or your just making some noise cause of being bored?

[tall bear]

I am

[lusty crag]

2x2 T1 ?

[tall bear]

Hahahaha

No I got a t3 in it

[lusty crag]

WOW

[tall bear]

But I like how you’re always angry

From my understanding MC main advantage was building speed and easier BP, being released 2-3 months later kinda nullifies it so I’d rather have it all delayed than lose my MC edge for a 2-3 month 25% fuel buff, I don’t see what’s so surprising about it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lusty crag]

And you rather call for a full delay and a damage of the IP and the following causes of it then simply being happy that we make it with OB for our single land plots?
Great call my friend, before you start a company re-think your strategy and mindset bro.
Just for the record I own 3x Megacities with each T4 in them, so if there should be somebody complaining it's me.
But I see it from the positive side, we got the launch of our lands with OB and MC will follow up - simply as that!

[ocean haven]

Ser we need one more plz

[tall bear]

We can launch OW with the dao selling the fuel, can’t we ?

[lusty crag]

What's even your point her?

[tall bear]

We’ll you’d then have massively overpaid for a MC

I’m saying IZ isn’t mandatory to launch for OW and Arena to work

So I wouldn’t mind have it delayed to get all the features ready when it releases

If what’s you’re really after is the fun of IZ you can play it in beta so you don’t lose any fun

Again, that’s assuming the compensation stays at +25% fuel, if that was to evolve I could change my mind, just my 2c 😊

[lusty crag]

Yes, we did; if somebody had told me, I would not have bought land at all, and ?! It is what it is now - we have to make the best of it and look forward, NOT BACKWARDS.

But yes, I know, greed is a B*TCH; it's never enough - not even when the CEO throws his own money in the pot to get the delay eradicated and that land p2e launches with OB.

Can we please be for once grateful after achieving our primary goal over the last months, which was LAUNCHING WITH OPEN BETA?

Illuvium Labs is still a gaming company; have you ever heard something of delays from them? Have you ever seen one which so openly commits to the needs of their community (future player base)? I haven't, and I've been a passionate gamer for a long time.

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/another-mess-gif-21942199

[tall bear]

It’s kinda hilarious to see you be angrily praising them after you spent weeks being angry at them in arena because you didn’t have any clue how the game works. Why do you always have to sound that angry 😂

[lusty crag]

You have no sense of entrepreneurship by saying that - which also says that such opinions shouldn't be listened to anymore.

[tall bear]

A question was asked, I answered it with my opinion, chill lol

[tall bear]

Considering what I saw you write in arena chat, I’m begging you, don’t start the conversation about who’s opinions shouldn’t be listened to anymore
I can safely swear you you don’t have the brain power for this discussion 😂

Now for the last time, stop being angry 24:7, I wasn’t being mean or anything just giving an opinion, so chill 😂

[lusty crag]

Do you know what's genuinely hilarious? Calling for a full delay when the team eradicated the original delay of land?
Yes, the arena isn't in its state where it was super fun weeks ago, but you truly seem to be somebody who always comes up with some things from the past to make a point- GROW UP, for real.

I'm neither perfect nor is the team or anyone. We're all, in the end, just humans.

But this doesn't get anywhere. I wish you a good day. Keep your fantastic ideas for yourself; they will be greatly appreciated.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/somi-gifs-jeon-somi-cute-dance-smile-gif-14385814

[lusty crag]

That's the words of a kid: the need to insult somebody cause having no valid arguments.
But I will not sink to your level - as mentioned already, grow up, and then we might have a conversation, but I would rather spend my time otherwise.

Have a good one, keyboard warrior; cheers.

[ocean haven]

look at this guys

lets all take johnnys advise and go take a beer/touch some grass and clam down

[hearty cradle]

an watch kpop

[narrow oasis]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/VnWl1AgOJEBv3LdDcb/giphy.gif

https://tenor.com/view/jinny-jinnytty-donk-yyjdrink-drink-gif-18496847

[narrow oasis]

ktwitch it's where the real fun is at

[hearty cradle]

[tall bear]

Being called a kid by someone having tantrums in chat every week is fun, being called a keyboard warrior by someone writings novels every message too, but your inability to see the irony is the real winner though 😂

[slim wigeon]

I think we should all be kind and respectful to each other and if its not possible ban each other to not get triggered all the time 🙂

After all everybody here the team included is in the same team we want the DAO to be successful!

[cerulean steppe]

Agreed, but what other options do I have when someone fills the whole timeline with pretty much the same comments ?

Either ChatGPT summaries, or slow down ...

[lusty crag]

Some people in her seem to be genuinely mentally ill.

[slender crown]

Can someone sum up wtf is going on? I own land, and I see a string of complaints etc, but don't really understand them.

What is everyone crying about? Will land not produce enough fuel for our runs?(this was the main purpose I purchased)

I know the price of land has been dumping(doesn't bother me too much since I purchased with SILV at a 60% discount) so I haven't really lost money. Is the team really making land "useless", or is it just not going to be as profitable as everyone was hoping?

[ocean haven]

that is up to your own perception

[tall bear]

I think it’s just being delayed so to keep on schedule they are postponing some features, didn’t read it all though so you might wanna dig a bit more

[edgy dagger]

I haven’t been able to follow all conversations in discord but I heard it’s been toxic. Just wanna say to the team @amber atlas @bitter glade @noble quest @true chasm @whole spear @serene ingot etc. to know that we are many that cheer for you. Don’t let the hate get to you, and don’t spend too much time answering these people, or reading it. Your inner peace is important so you can focus on the mission. These complainers don’t know how hard it is to develop something new and groundbreaking. If they knew they would be more humble. Keep it up and make sure to not burn out, we know you are working hard🙏

[iron veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-happy-lol-gif-15802525

[tall bear]

Actually one of the main reasons I’m so bullish on illuvium is because they listen the community a lot 😅

[hearty cradle]

yup

[tall bear]

Just hard to sort out the constructive negative inputs from the venom spits

[slim wigeon]

I think blocking some people makes this Discord to a very nice place.
Should the once wanting to argue and discuss with them be free to do so 🙂

[edgy dagger]

Stop listening is not what I meant. But there are limits and balance is needed.

[mortal smelt]

Joe Rogan said it best when saying not to look into the comments for the sake of sanity.

[viral star]

I trust the team to take care of the best interests of landowners.

[haughty halo]

landowners should stop crying, and give everyone some space.
sell your asset if u have no believe, let someone hold it that has more hope for it.
Also, compare your asset value to someone buying token at 1k+
U WILL GET VALUE out of it, its a 100% fact.
we all knew land would be a long term thing, and yes thank you for backing the land sale, and funneling money into the development of OUR game, but stop acting like u are being scammed or rugged.
we are all dreaming about massive utility for lands, so many things we could do with it, and there is no way it wont be utilized in all its potential.
After massive development pivots, we need to find new ways to create value for you guys, just has to be accepted like that if u ask me.
Just like we are looking to pivot with the airdrop vesting and claiming. it just takes time.

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

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Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[radiant sky]

I don't think anybody is crying.
Was obvious after the debate yesterday that people come in this chat, pointing fingers and everybody should stop crying and having faith.
The devs doing amazing work in the Illuvium IP as far as i can see from an pov not having a gamedev background. Everything is elvoving on a great pace, just look at PB4... imo it's fucking amazing what have been progressed the last 6 months if it comes to arena and overworld. They devolopping the 3rd game mode for arena, people will have tons of variety if it comes to the autobattler. The hunting is done pretty good already and will improve further into battleing the illuvials in ow soon.
Even tho people wait since a long time on wave 3, even beyond is developing great, utility is increasing and will most likely increase further with collection rewards etc. coming.
Stuff is developping on such a great pace, we even start the design-phase of the next games in the next quarter.

Hearing for almost 2 years "just have faith everything will unfold in future... Yet here we are in Zero, not even having the basics ready for open beta, IZ is kind of like on the stage of the first iteration of the autobattler without augments in and you guys are wondering why it can get emotional in here from time to time? And this is absolutely not shitting on the team working on it, it's questioning the priority IZ actually has for the highest level of people who decide what priority it gets, then from a community pov that priority seems not high.

[azure sonnet]

As an actual Megacity owner, Battlecries does not speak for me. And I approve the proposal of going live without megacities immediately available. I appreciate all of the hard work the team is doing to get this live.

[rotund forum]

Just been reading up a little. I think if we can have zero included in open beta it will be fantastic. The main reason is building up and producing fuel. The blueprints... I can wait another 2 months for that (time flies by). And the megacities, if a guy with 3 big ones can have patience then I with my little 2x2 definitly can. Again, this is 3 months so think beginning Q4. Not that big of a deal. And not that many have megacities so prioritizing the actual release makes more sense to me.

[tulip lion]

I own a 3x3 megacity in crimson waste. Totally fine/ understanding of not being ready at launch. I think you guys know this, but just make sure the plot owners are taken care of when they are ready. I'm assuming there is going to be a lot of adjustments they make to their plots to optimize them for megacities which they wouldn't be able to make initially.

[haughty halo]

Yes, i do see the problems, and nobody really would make a issue about something that makes sense and has proper argumentation to come with it.
its just very hard to digest how some people pop off against the entire system, knowing damn well its not a easy task, and yes the priorities have shifted in a massive way, and perhaps ilz has fallen victim to it.
I understand the frustration, and i understand being disappointed after all this time, and having to deal with another blow.
I think we all have to see that everyone is very very involved in the project, for good or bad everyone with a emotional reaction is very close to the project.
even our biggest haters are daily active users of the discord.
And its very easy to forget what we actually have here, non of the communities im in, is as tight nit as we are in here.

and ive done the same, ive had periods where ive lost hope and believe in the project, i cant lie about that, its just stuff that comes with being so close to it, and anticipating the games so much.

[rotund forum]

At least the times that they said illuvium is a s-Ca-M are far behind us... but I remember this very vividly, after the landsale. Now we have other "less important" worries. It´s the final strech, it makes it harder because it is so close but we´ll be pumping fuel in no time now.

[lusty crag]

This!

[rotund forum]

Johnny, I really think you and everyone on the team should not let social media weigh on you so much. It is nice of you and the team members to pop in and share some news every now and then, but I think here, and everywhere (X, Telegram, Facebook, etc.) you can clearly see that it are very negatively loaded places, it´s pure venom. I think a lot of people have shitty jobs, or are in a position where they have nothing to say and live in situations of constant misery. And then they come here and vent their frustrations on you. I in your situation would not leave Illuvium, it is a great project, nice profesional collegues, and it has huge potential. Instead, I would waste much less time on a handful of people that come into these chatrooms. They (and that includes me of course) do not represent the entire illuvium community, a lot of really serious players don´t even like to chat and waste no time on it. So if you do come in here, stupid comments are to be expected... but just let them slide right off. And even less start to argue with them; there is literately no bigger waste of time in life than to argue with people, especially keyboard warriors. That said, know you and your years long work are greatly appreciated, and I think you know that most of us feel that way. Have a great weekend and some well deserved you-time.

[fallen nymph]

Show of hands, who would you rather have in this channel: Johnny & Nick or battlecries?
My biggest complaint about the team is I don't understand why he has been allowed to poison this space for so long.

[fallen nymph]

The easiest solution would be to remove the few people who act like a malignant tumor with nothing positive to contribute and in here every day poisoning the air with predictions of doom and conspiracy theories.

I agree with you on most points, IZI. I have personally appreciated reading the updates from Johnny and Nick. Even if the events haven't always been ideal, having them around to give us updates and answer questions has contributed a ton to feeling like we know what's going on. I wish there was something we could do to get Johnny to continue being around and Nick to come back.

[opal thistle]

Let's keep the finger pointing down please. Let's try to make arguments on the main topocs and stay on point

https://tenor.com/view/im-watching-watch-you-eyes-on-you-kid-cute-gif-16282723

[fallen nymph]

That's not intended to be finger-pointing. It's stating a fact (sorry - "My opinion"). I would trade 10,000,000 battlecries for one Nick and One Johnny. Can I get some action for that on the Illuvidex?

[opal thistle]

We'll try to keep a better eye out with the moderating so that conversations don't derrail into this

[fallen nymph]

That would be great, thank you. 🙏

[rotund forum]

I don´t think censoring or banning someone is the answer. Besides, he does not insult anyone, he just loves to get under their skin, and for some reason he succeeds. I think that is because they are all quite overworked and those comments are like the drop that overflows their bucket. That is why I said, coming in here or on any social media, there will always be these kinds of ceaseless "attacks" on your life work, your passion. There is nothing in life as easy at criticizing. There is a saying in my language that basically says "the best captains are standing on shore".

[opal thistle]

Now as a land owner I have to say that from the begining (pre-land sale) MCs were the long term goal it was very clear that it was going to be a future feature, the fact that they could even be this close to public release amazed me, specially with all the delays.

[indigo coral]

I never expected mega cities close to launch, that´s why I didn´t care about them during landsale. Being only weeks after is a very positive surprise from what was communicated around land sale for sure.

[fallen nymph]

I hope you were just pissed off, Johnny. Those guys don't speak for the vast majority of us.

[rotund forum]

Yeah I think the problem there was that at one point they actually believed they could pull it off in time .. AND TOLD us. And at a later point they realized it might have not been realistic, and had to communicate that as well. It is great to be transparent but I think had they said nothing, there would not have been an issue. They basically cut themselves in the fingers with being over enthusiastic. I do think they have learned from this however, the leaks seem to have reduced compared to 2023 and before

[opal thistle]

I know exactly what you mean and 2.5 years ago that was my stance, but I talk now from experience and harsh rules do teach some people a lesson and most times they come out better. This is not just "social media" we here vote for people that have direct influence on the team and development, team can not just be fully blind to it. But thankk you for your feedback I will keep it in mind

[fallen nymph]

I have to disagree. He does insult people. I've seen it time and time again. When people disagree with him, one of the the first things he does is go after the person's credibility. When I chimed in a while back suggesting he be quiet, he wrote something to the effect of "You haven't posted for 2 years so you don't know what's going on." Never mind the point I was trying to make.

He's constantly gaslighting and instead of actually answering the points people raise, he attacks the messenger. And that's a constant thing he does with a lot of people besides me. If that doesn't work, he pulls out his list of "atrocities" that have been committed against the US he claims to represent. He constantly predicts every possible doom scenario. He claims to "know" that the team has bad intentions. On top of that, he basically claims to be responsible for anything good that's happened... I could go on and on, but the point is his behavior is really far from being acceptable.

I appreciate your sentiment, IZI, and in most cases I would agree with you that censorship is rarely the answer. Unfortunately, countless people have tried to talk some sense into this guy and it hasn't worked. Sometimes you find a tumor and the best thing to do is just cut the cancer out.

[indigo coral]

There is a difference between censorship of freedom of speech and actions like not allowing to shout fire in a crowded cinema, without punishment.

Now what should the line be in this digital space is maybe a question we have to look more into.

[opal thistle]

Ok.............and now............back to IZ

https://tenor.com/view/blink-genie-dancing-gif-7655673

[tardy falcon]

I’m happy zero will be available to play at OB… that is the bottom line ✨

[cyan scarab]

My friends! I own land, ILVs token/liq pool, multiple rhamphyre illuvitars. For the sake of ILV token price action, stop all these childishness and personal agendas. If you want to fud your own bags leave us alone! All I want is for ILV to be successful. We are getting mainstream. Now is not the time for all these foolishness. Also, stop overreacting to toxic comments. We dont know who's behind the screen. It could just be a 12 year old, could be someone with nothing else to do in their basement, could be from another gaming co fudding, or someone with an agenda. So just enjoy the ride. Dont be greedy. Have patience. ILV to $1000!

[barren turtle]

I’m just excited it’s bout to go down!!!! YEAH BABY!!!!!

[fallen nymph]

So how about those Zero Point Transducers?

https://tenor.com/view/flirting-wink-bugs-bunny-flirty-flirt-gif-16543413

[rotund forum]

I don´t know if I am 100% right on this but playing OW I see what you need is obviously hyperion to make the runs and I try to make T3 runs just for shards (nothing as irritating as finding that T4-5 and have crappy shards), they also seem to cost quite a lot. But solon... I think it will be by far the least used fuel. So maybe when a next game comes out, that Mario Kart racer or whatever comes next, maybe give Solon a really dominant role there? To balance it out a bit more.

[radiant sky]

I guess they balance fuel demand/supply already out for upcoming mainnet Launch, i'm not too worried about that

[hearty cradle]

maybe we dont need 3 type of fuels

[opal thistle]

Or maybe add solon to skin crafting 🤔

[indigo coral]

People are aware stage 3 t5 weapons/suit and drone chips cost 36k solon though, right?

Everyone who wants maxed out arena teams will need those weapons/suits.

Maybe solon sinks aren´t enough, but it makes sense, that early game in overworld is more crypto/hyperion heavy, as people especially in the fake money more single player approach atm just go for capturing illuvials instead of what they need for arena or what they need to keep their fuel costs lower.

[opal thistle]

Fair point

[solemn tendon]

How to play this game, I just joined recently.

[radiant sky]

Max Weapon/suits are gona be super expensive, you most likely do not build them all, probably more 2-3 AT Max to stay versatile and you need probably more crypton than solon to craft them.
I do think rebalancing of fuel is definetly needed

[radiant sky]

AT the Moment you need to own Land to play Zero, but f2p is coming

[hearty cradle]

i really dislike having to manage three types of fuel. its just unnecessary complication

[vivid cipher]

See a short description of the different games below. This game… #🎮〕illuvium-zero can only be played by land owners at the moment. But soon it will open to more

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Games

Illuvium is a revolutionary series of games and the world's first Interoperable Blockchain Game universe. Built on the Ethereum blockchain, it offers a unique combination of open-world exploration, creature collection, city-building, auto-battling, and collection card game. Join the adventure to aid your stranded crew by exploring seven epic alien landscapes, conquering a shattered planet, and uncovering the mysteries behind the cataclysmic events that shaped this world.

Illuvium: Overworld

In Overworld, capture Illuvials, mine resources, harvest exotic plants, and help your crash-landed crew thrive. This is our open-world exploration and creature collection game.

Illuvium: Arena

In Arena, create your ultimate team, engage in standardized PvP battles in Ascendant Mode, or survive against predefined waves in Survival Mode in this auto-battler game.

Illuvium: Zero

In Zero, build, upgrade, and manage your digital industrial complex. Extract resources, discover biodata, and create blueprints in this city-building game.

Illuvium: Beyond

In Beyond, compete to collect the most powerful Illuvitars, based on the in-game characters Illuvials, and curate the ultimate Illuvitars Album. This collection card game offers an interactive, competitive, and personal experience for collectors.

[solemn tendon]

Is there any chance to get the activation code now?

[opal thistle]

You have to register for PB4 and.....
#💬〕general message

[solemn tendon]

I've already registered, so what's next is waiting?

thank you

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

[radiant sky]

Maybe pray😅

[golden spoke]

Just read through some of the chat from yesterday. I hope people are able to get thicker skin because that was nothing compared to the degeneracy and fudding that will come to illuvium once it hits a wider audience. I think hiring someone that does social work as an intermediary would do wonders.

[past latch]

that was a hell of a read lol

[hearty cradle]

oh yea, this is nothing. wait until the farmers are here

ive been in many discord, this is mild

[indigo coral]

I always thought I am very much on the extreme side of toxic gamers, wild what you guys see as mild and acceptable.

[hearty cradle]

nft projects
WL grinders
airdrop farmers
are nasty

literally u cant read because the chat moving too fast, at the same time people dumping the nfts

then twitter threads calling rugs

then somehow they can track the anon founders and doxx every sht they did

[sage bough]

Yeah most other web3 discords I'm in have folks dedicated to just the social media/discord side. Probably money well spent to keep the devs/management focused more on the important things.

[past latch]

no one called it acceptable, but it could be alot worse lol. aside from calling for peoples jobs there wasn't much said that i see an issue with. land holders have been dicked around with alot, no one should be surprised to see some salty ones

[hearty cradle]

battlecry left

[indigo coral]

[pearl marten]

If he left for his own reasons it's okay ... but pointing fingers again and saying he was the black sheep idk if it's okay. Yes he was out of place maybe at some points... he was lacking in diplomacy .. maybe a bit rude but in some situations he said some things that most people thought but didn't have the courage to say it openly.
So whoever would've done the same it would've instantly been put down if things escalated

[hearty cradle]

i hope he'll come back for the election

[golden spoke]

Man, if you hire one female with a mildly attractive profile pic she would be able to quell all of the nerd rage within a week.

[hearty cradle]

yea a lot of times hes not wrong.
hes just too persistant

[pearl marten]

Yep exactly

[hearty cradle]

too passionate

[dusky lava]

I hope the dev team make an executive decision to disconnect from discord and focus on building.

[rotund forum]

My thoughts exactly.... I don´t think the developers at Blizzard are spending time chatting on discord every day. It brings very little to the table. But it does demotivate you.

[dusky lava]

Some companies take 5+ years to build 1 half baked product, illuvium hasn't even been around for that long. these guys arent only building 4 interconnected products (who the fuck has ever done that??? PLEASE point to me ANY company in the world that has built 4 different interconnected products before their first 5 years in existence. Google, Apple, Amazon, NONE of them have), they also had to endure a bear market, realize along the way "oh fuck this is insanely ambitious". Its more clear than ever that people who think they want the best for the game aren't even aware of the scale and toll it takes to build what these guys have built.

Seems like the IZ community is so zoomed in down to the 1 pixel, you forgot the bigger picture. I own a few pieces of land, been in and out of IZ and im still blown away PB4 looks like it does, Arena looks like it does, IZ works... zoom out folks. you keep yelling at a company and its employees about the 1 pixel in a huge image

AND on top of all this they have to ENDURE THIS!!!!! How crazy is it that a company on top of having to DELIVER 2 AAA games and a mobile game are spending insane amounts of energy trying to make you happy. Honestly im just absolutely blown away by how a certain creator here talks down to the fact that the team "doesn't tell them as much". brother, be thankful they spend a gram of energy on ya, DAO or not. I cannot believe the audacity of someone tagging here a co founder demanding answers and the fact that @noble quest actually replied shows he is passionate about the community because I can PROMISE yall these guys lost more lifespan in the past 5 years than most of yall have been alive.

Zoom the fk out people. You bought into a web3 project. go look at BAYC, moon birds, go look at web3 projects that launched parallel to ILV and where they're at today. IZ is a miracle. and so is the PB4 not to mention Arena. "too passionate" becomes toxic when disagreements happen. the fact that the dev team know a certain name within the community is just so bizarre, not to mention the fact that they express here how said individual affects their leadership team negatively. honestly, just crazy.

[cyan bone]

It's brutal to be in a situation where all of these things are true

• You want to offer the best customer service to holders.
• You want to over-communicate and offer updates while juggling a tremendous number of responsibilities.
• You know the dedicated team has been grinding for months and years with very little time-off.
• You and everyone you work with wants the best for the holders and project.
• You're now only months away from delivering complex, thoroughly tested, and high quality v1 products.
• You open a channel and are overwhelmed with requests, opinions, negativity, feedback and dissatisfaction.

[rotund forum]

I personally don´t really get Kieran on this, I mean it is obvious he is an intelligent person. But this looks like the scenario where 999 people say positive things and this 1 person complaints. And you obsess with that instead of being happy with the other 999 opinions. In this life you can´t be everybody´s friend, and you can´t make every sinngle person happy. You can (definitely don´t have to) try to talk sense into this person, with arguments, but if you see this is a waste of time, just ignore that person and problem solved. But never let it get to that point where it starts to affect your spirit negatively.

[dusky lava]

you never been in a situation where 1000 people are talking to you huh? (no disrespect intended my friend) trust me, the 1 comment stays with you more than the 999... its not Kieran, its ANY human being. by far.

Let me give you another example... Look at yourself - Are you critical of what you haven't achieved, havent gotten to, wish you did OR you constantly tell yourself "I'm thankful for what I do have".

[cyan bone]

For sure I agree, imagine it's everyday for three years 😅

[rotund forum]

O yeah, I am very self critical, but only to the point as you want to improve certain aspects of yourself. I am also quite aware of the good things I have achieved, and I am painfully aware that I am probably not going to reach all my goals. IF you set that as your ambition in life, you will always fail. I think I am more of a "the bottle is half full, rather than half empty" kind of guy. Putting too much pressure on yourself is never good.

[cyan bone]

When you're as passionate as Johnny is, it sticks with you after you've left the PC.

Sometimes for hours after you've finished work

[dusky lava]

Now imagine having a 1/1000th of the community trying to constantly tell you how you need to improve, what you are doing wrong, when none of them even have a clue what/where you are doing and why, not to mention their version of "your improvement" is from their POV for their benefit, not necessarily yours.

[rotund forum]

Yeah I know. But he really for his own sake and mental and physical health needs to take that down a few notches. If not he´ll just burn out, or worse. Thing is... this is only something you yourself can do. You can give well intended advice to someone, but he really needs to get to that conclusion himself for it to be effective.

[dusky lava]

easier said than done. Im an insanely passionate software engineer myself. There is no turning it down a single notch. I totally get Johnny

[rotund forum]

well, you kind of answered yourself there... it is what I said earlier, it brings little to their table spending time here. But that is just my opinion.

[molten kite]

Hello everyone how is Happyland today.

[dusky lava]

oh I know. my ONLY criticism of illuviums team is the fact that the team mixed the community and organization discord - which they did out of pure passion for their community and attempt to be as transparent as possible to not come off as another scummy web3 project (imo, from what I can see and understand).

Now time to go back to overworld, gotta do a boatload of hw because by the looks of it Illuvium might need more creators that focus on the game, not on trying to sway the river that is ILV

[rotund forum]

it definitely is easier said than done. I did not want to insinuate it was easy at all, it is hard asf.

[rotund forum]

happy hunting mate 😅

[dusky lava]

cheers! enjoy your weekend

not only him, same for everyone here 🙂

[chilly ravine]

Is a reset coming?

Any illuviums added for searching?

Why is zero not integrated to actual overworld and arena?

[vivid cipher]

Zero is not on testnet right now with the other games.

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Prior to mainnet launch.

[humble arrow]

Approximately how much solon/crypton/hyperion per day can tier2 land produce? There is information?

[vivid cipher]

Hard to tell exactly.

You can fit like 20 fuel converters or something on a tier 1. Maybe.

[humble arrow]

I don't understand what converters have to do with it if I'm asking about solon/hyperion/crypton extract on a tier2 land

[vivid cipher]

Ok.
Convertors currently also have a passive production ability. They allow you to produce more fuel. Which is what you had asked.

[humble arrow]

hard

[vivid cipher]

It’s not a terribly complicated production game. But hard to explain with words.

There aren’t easy ways to say this is how much fuel land can produce. Because it’s all based on how someone plays the game.

[vivid cipher]

This content creator has been doing a lot of play though on zero alpha testing. https://youtube.com/live/mWNjN0uEPW0?feature=share

[humble arrow]

@vivid cipher Do you think there will be a lot of excitement on the ground during the release of the game? Or they won't be so important

[vivid cipher]

Land owners ought to be able to control the fuel market price. It’s pretty cool. But there’s like 8000 land owners. So it’s a pretty big group.

[humble arrow]

Will there be a function for hiring workers? For example, as in axies. I don't think I'll have time to control all my lands.

[radiant sky]

Old data of the current build.
Will likely Change for beta
Numbers are if you build completely on fuel, no bp or dye's. (Which likely won't be efficient anymore in Beta version

[vivid cipher]

You’d have to figure that out for yourself. Illuvium does not have a system in place for that.

It’s possible though.

[tall crypt]

How much codes were give up to now?

[vivid cipher]

Not exactly clear. Probably over 10,000

[tall crypt]

Very over or low over. in an average of 28 days?

[vivid cipher]

I don’t know.

[vivid cipher]

I don’t really watch anything anymore. I just saw that there’s plenty of zero clips

[mortal mural]

Just subscribed, love the energy.

[noble quest]

I’m not sure what comment you are referring to precisely, but personally, I try not to let the negative people in the community get to me. I am one of the co-founders, though, with a huge amount of skin in the game. I also see the vision for the next ten years. So, while things annoy me sometimes, and I need to vent (usually to my wife but sometimes to others), it only takes me a few hours to get back on track.

The solution of ignoring the discord doesn't work; that only makes the problem worse. People have invested money; it's an emotional topic, and you have direct access to us; of course, you’re going to raise concerns and point out things that could be better in your opinion. But there is a right way and a wrong way of doing it. The unnecessary toxic delivery that people use, which sometimes feels like a way to get under the team's skin, needs to be stamped out. And I will work with the moderators to ensure we fix it.

I'm the last person that wants to ban, timeout, or constrain freedom of speech. It's a gaming discord. Let's be honest.

Regularly, I tell the team not to worry about what people say here. Half the time, they have no clue what they're talking about and want to get a reaction out of someone to make themselves feel like they're being heard.

But that doesn't mean we can't stop the people who are deliberately being toxic; when their motive is to derail a team member, I'm telling you for right or wrong, it's not worth it. From a purely delivery perspective, we lost someone 100x more valuable than the change the handful of toxic individuals speaking for the people are going to spark.

That being said, it's a small change. The majority will agree that removing these super-toxic outliers is good for the team and the community in general.

[noble quest]

This reminded me of an episode of silicon valley 🤣

[true cradle]

jajaja really good tv serie 🙂

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

@whole spear with his new mod powers

[whole spear]

I have new mod powers?

[mortal mural]

I hope so🤞

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/may-god-have-mercy-on-us-all-michael-bryce-ryan-reynolds-hitmans-wifes-bodyguard-lord-have-mercy-gif-21612876

[radiant sky]

just did a few runs with mining gear, obviously it is way too less data to make an exact statement.
But if i multiply the average mining output with crypton cost for s3 run and take a guess that i can sell what i don't need and buy the super rare essences and t1 ore to not make more runs on low stage and essence farm runs, i need 25% more crypton than solon to craft t5s3 gear 😄

[cloud goblet]

Do not let rich loose!

[whole spear]

You guys know I started on telegram right

ban first ask|| (no)|| questions later

[tall bear]

But OW and Arena don’t need IZ to be live to function since the dao can produce the fuel, so why rush it leaving megacities holders a bit fucked ?

[tall bear]

You lose all the building speed, kind of a key feature of MC

[tall bear]

It was advertised as you’ll get massive perks for having a MC before mint, then we discovered that our main perks were building speed, giving us an edge at launch, easier plot management as we share resources and easier Bp farming due to winning space and sharing the bio data. The last iip kinda removes 2 huge perks as it gives time to non mac holders to fully build and stack bio datas

[tall bear]

I doubt you want a blizzard as a model 😂

[wispy prism]

Just don't accept it Jag.
Be an example of something different.

[wispy prism]

100 percent agree. Change the acceptable form of speech here. Have very clear rules. Then just ban.

[hearty cradle]

please no

discord is better now

[terse flare]

You guys are doing a fantastic job. Please don’t let negativity of a small number of people get to you. Majority of Illuvium community don’t talk a lot here but that doesn’t mean we don’t fully support the team. I rarely post here but I can’t be happier with how the project is going. I have 9 plots of land (in all 4 tiers, and a mega city) and I’m happy to wait as long as needed when I see how well every single part of project has been so far.

[hearty cradle]

i got called names, reported to the mods, nothing done. i just move on

[iron laurel]

That is your choice it isn't your job (well, until you got elected) you are expected to be at.

[wispy prism]

Jag you have sat back and watched me be vilified and even encouraged it.
There are a few people in here who if removed would totally change the communication that occurs.
ILV Zero was one the best channel to be in.
Clear constructive criticism, people acknowledging what was said, and countering without toxicity.

[wispy prism]

You are not the developers.
The team is trying to create something different. Every other web3 gaming discord would have not let any of this communication continue as long as it has.

[iron laurel]

I'm tired of watching the team and Kieran get treated like crap by some people. It's ridiculous. They shouldn't have to have thicker skin. The people here can just start being respectful. It isn't too much to ask.

[wispy prism]

I absolutely agree. Another downside is that the people who actually enjoy communicating and can do so respectfully, lose out.

It has been an amazing experience to talk and discuss with developers. This does not happen in other blockchain games.

[hearty cradle]

it does lol

[wispy prism]

Which one and to what degree?

[hearty cradle]

mavia and pixelmon

memeland

big time

[wispy prism]

So they are in chat and available to anyone? Is it the same set up as illiuvium? As in people able to create IIPs ext?

[random siren]

the old Jag uses those discords to let his anger out so he dosent get banned from here again 🤣 joking of course

[hearty cradle]

yup

[wispy prism]

This is false.

Mavia and Pixelmon memeland I don't know. Big time I was in feo. The beginning. They ban people and call them to account to check there communication all the time.
The ones I have been in the devs do not communicate on the same level at all.

[hearty cradle]

the idea of web3 project is direct communication to dev

[wispy prism]

I'm not talking about jumping in and saying a few things. Jag.
Also show how they communicate to toxic behaviour.

[hearty cradle]

i agree, it shouldnt be toxic, and battlecry went too far for repeating

[wispy prism]

In small amounts.
It's not the same.

[wispy prism]

It's not just him.

[hearty cradle]

join the projects ive mentioned

ray chan (9gag ceo and memeland) chat a lot

[vivid cipher]

Can we have this conversation in #🏃〕off-topic so people that actually want to talk about #🎮〕illuvium-zero can

Or an #1020759212172775464 thread if that’s reasonable

[hearty cradle]

giulio (zalora co founder, ceo pixelmon)
Has a "ask the ceo" channel and chat other channel too

[wispy prism]

Nah it's fine I understand you. The main point is that the system of illiuvium is different as far as I'm aware there isn't a blockchain game that has the same set up, or degree of communication/discussion IIPS Eect. What I'm getting at, is a standard of communication needs to be upheld.

[wispy prism]

Sure. apologies. Pelican.

[hearty cradle]

mavia admins answering questions everyday

[vivid cipher]

I get the cathartic draw of chatting about it in here. But there’s other ways.

[mortal smelt]

you know what after playing testnet I am amazed at how far the game has come and what the team has accomplished, my sincerest apologies if my criticism has caused anyone to feel a certain way including mr. Kieran. The amount of depth put into the game is just crazy. nuances like when capturing illuvials and the way they try to get away to the descriptions of items and the interaction to not make the game dull. We ARE in good hands.

IZ is going to be a beast of a game no doubt

[rotund forum]

If building up fast is your concern, and you are lucky enough to put up the scratch for a megacity I am sure you will be able to afford some speed ups for your normal plots. How many people are waiting to play ILZ? About 7000? And how many players are megacity holders? Maybe 1% of that. Launching ILZ at the same time as the rest in my opinion will make a whole lot of people happier. There will be benefits of having a megacity, and you’ll have them shortly after till the end of days. Ideal is no solution here, but it is the best one in my humble opinion (as a small megacity holder). ✌🏻

[dusky lava]

there was a slight reference there not gonna lie.

[dusky lava]

While I totally get what your intent is (from what I understand it to be!), I think there has to be a limit to how to team interacts with the community discord for the teams sake. It doesn't mean never reply. but it means that maybe there should be someone(s) within the team, well trusted that can filter out the toxicity and bring the team the communitys feedback in a way that yall can still interact with the community, still remain transparent and on the ground, but also not be exposed to greed, toxicity and sometimes stupidity. Like you said - your work today is for the 10 year plan, not for tomorrow. Those individuals should be part of the daily meetings, hearing the plan, the current progress and execution while keeping in mind the communitys sentiment, and can be good to chime in during particular moments to maybe have the communitys filtered voice wtihin your day to day

[dusky lava]

oh fk my bad, im done. youre right.

[radiant sky]

You want him to prohibite the Team to hop on discord and interact with the community?
Don't you think it should be their choice?

[dusky lava]

prohibit is a strong word. The community discord is like the forbidden fruit in many ways (adam and eve) - it often looks, feels and tastes good but the consequences of taking a bite are beyond negative. Most businesses build themselves going against the current, most tech startups built themselves against their "communitys feedback" - because the community doesn't know it wants the next thing more than they want to fix what doesnt work today. thats my 2c at least. like Pelican said, lets take this somewhere that isn't IZ 😛

[hearty cradle]

this is web3

nft gaming project

the community is investors and customers

good luck going againts the sentiment

[tall bear]

You’re telling me if you were able to invest more, then you can pay more while part of your initial investment is wasted. That’s not really fun to hear 😂

Also if you want to play IZ, you can already play it in beta

I mean I understand why they think it’s better for the global IZ player base

But as a MC holder this solution feels like you get fucked for the greater good while we waited MC for 2 years, so if I’m asked I’d rather wait more to get it fully ready

Again, not pointing fingers at anyone I don’t care it’s delayed, I care more to have part of my investment wasted because delay can’t be met (whatever the reason to this)

[dusky lava]

thats where dillusion sets in. Owning a piece of the product as an investment doesn't make you an investor of the company. Just like pokemon cards (for example) - people buy and hold product as investments, that doesn't entitle them to a voice in where the Pokemon Company should take cards to.

[hearty cradle]

thats actually the selling point of web3

u own the assets

and treat is an investment

[dusky lava]

I also own the pokemon booster boxes I have stored... and I treat them as an investment.

[hearty cradle]

pokemon is web2

but yea holo charli sells for a lot of money

[iron veldt]

Why did we lose the teammember by the way? I wasn’t able to read anything special at the moment he left.

Or were there some more messages that got deleted?

In my opinion - i just saw a guy called Battlecries or something like that, who was not okay with the state of Illuvium Zero, because all other games were more in the focus and performed better. But I’m not that active, that’s the reason I’m asking.

[dusky lava]

the selling point of web3 (imo at least) is that you can own pieces of the product that PRODUCE other parts of the product, as a reward for your belief in the big picture. owning land doesn't mean you get a vote on the roadmap... it means you get to one day enjoy the fruits of the teams labor, and get a share of the economy they're trying to build. think of it like owning a Dominos Pizza store. you dont get a say in what the dominos company does, but you get a piece of profits of the product they created

[hearty cradle]

direct feedback is part of the utility of web3
thats why web3 projects have discord

thats why we are a DAO

thats why we have illuvium community council

ICC jobs is literally listening and relaying community sentiment

[dusky lava]

there is a massive difference between feedback and demands... feedback doesn't HAVE to be immediatelly acknowledged and executed. when you get to the point where feedback harms the health of the team members, its counter productive.

[hearty cradle]

#1020759212172775464

[dusky lava]

yea, we should stop this here...

[hearty cradle]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1126838877429182506

most of the posts there are demands

[hearty cradle]

read about IIP

its not feedback that is harmful, its toxicity

[mortal smelt]

People will be people no matter the situation, when someone lays a middle ground and opposition does not want to commit there will always be static. It is like someone coming to your place of work and telling you what to do when you know how to do it better. Some people do not like to fit the other shoe just because they bought a product that is still on its way to being finished without being productive whether or not they help in finishing said product.

And this is coming from a first person perspective, I have a much more profound respect for all of Illuvium team after experiencing testnet.

[ocean haven]

lets create our own little bubble i love a good a echo chamber

[hearty cradle]

[graceful siren]

I think when you buy web3, you accept delay and risk the project fails. But I trusted - and still trust - the dev team. As long as illuvium overall thrives, I think they will look after land owners in whatever way also fits the ecosystem. If not I will be very disappointed

[tall bear]

They do, only MC holders get fucked by latest iip, other land holders are actually taken care of

[hearty cradle]

ive been in many rugs, this is so far from it. and one of the most transparent, we take it for granted sometimes

[opal thistle]

Yes I know what was said about MC before launch and I was thinking at the time of going for one but decided to keep more ILV in the end. What I argue is that MC were promised but not at launch and it was clear to me that it would be a future feature, I admit that it was a long time ago and I'm not 100% sure....I will comb through my old screen shots and look for the IZGDD and the old IZEconomy paper. BTW I just want to check facts, sentiment wise I would love to have all features of the game at launch but I rather we don't delay OB because that for me is th 1st priority.

[tall bear]

The thing is if MC perks had nothing to do with « rush ability » then yes it wouldn’t be so annoying to have it delayed. But the way they made the MC bonus is you get most of the perks from being faster then others. So if you take this away it really sucks for MC holders
And a 25% fuel buff doesn’t get close to what we lose in the process
So to make it fair the MC advantage over regular plots should be rethought imo

[cinder grove]

As far as I know, during the land sale the MC plots would be a later development that was clearly not available from the start. To hear MC will be available only a couple of months after release is a great accomplishment.

[tall bear]

It was, my issue isn’t with the delay
It was clearly stated that a megacity would offer significative perks. And later on we discovered the perks were mainly ability to rush at start. And now we’re not able to use these perks.

The issue doesn’t lay in the delay, but the way the MC advantages over regular plots were designed make them highly impacted by the delay with launch

Btw they said MC would be ready for launch, again, idc if it’s delayed, but they did say it

[cinder grove]

In my opinion an MC is beneficial in the long run. In the beginning the lower tiers has some advantage from the T3 and T4’s. But in general it is a lot that will be developed much later than now with new buildings, buildings higher levels etc. Not sure why people are really worried about this at this stage.

I personally find the benefit on a T1 from the T4 in a MC not something to worry about too much. T1 is not making a lot.

Sure if you have a T4 and a T3, it might have more impact. But still, you are buying this to play for 5 years? So 3 months in a 60 month period is peanuts. Besides, we all know the game is in a development stage, we are in Beta!! So it is normal parts are added, adjusted and based on feedback upgraded or deleted.

[tall bear]

I’m not sure you understand well the perks of MC then 😅

From my understanding long term you win space on other plots, and the landmark buff if you own a t3/4, that’s about it since you don’t need to move much ressources and everything is maxed out

And you already had time to gather the biodatas of lower stage illuvials

[cinder grove]

I do, but I think the fact that a game is under development and not a shelf game is something that some people don’t understand

[tall bear]

Your previous messages kinda proved otherwise 😅
I know it’s a game in development I have no issue with that, and as such they could adjust current situation so that MC holders don’t get fucked

[near saffron]

Just made a song for illuvium but can't upload it in the chat so put on youtube but can not send the link😅

youtu.be/ArWtSQ0aZ9M

[cinder grove]

Also keep in mind that there are another 80,000 lands to be sold and many other MC coming, so that (unfair) advantage that you talk about is just for the first few.

[near saffron]

there is a lot of discussion about it

[tall bear]

The price of MC will adjust to the perks it provides

So the people losing on this are the people who got in when the perks were intact

[karmic idol]

I created a team in team builder but invalid team appeared and I can't use it. Can anyone help me?

[cinder grove]

I understand what you are saying. And all this is said and I do think the counsel heard everybody about this as they made a good compromise. I don’t think to keep pushing now is the way forward

[tall bear]

It seems the previous comments were rather complaining that IZ didn’t get enough ressources put into and looking for culprits, that I don’t mind and I don’t look for anyone’s faults, they delivered us OW and Arena which I played a ton
It does seem like an adjustment should be made regarding MC perks though

And that comes from someone who loves what the team has been doing for the past years, saying it without any intent to be mean
I feel it’s still worth saying until we hear back from officials

[indigo coral]

early blizzard was great, recent years have been downhill
I see ILV as the early blizzard atm and DAO indirectly gives more problems than help at times, but DAO should prevent the late blizzard problems imo, so we only need to make it to the late part.

[tall bear]

Yeah i loved blizzard early, but it became a shit show

That’s how we got you to join ILV and drop HS 🎉

[indigo coral]

I can´t say anything negative about the HS esport teams, HS dev team after ben brode was gone...

All the ILV devs remind me of the relateable early blizzard ones, people who want the products, because they themselfs would want a game like this.

[tall bear]

That’s why I don’t have anything negative to say on the devs, I’m just saying don’t rug MC holders, that can be achieved by either postponing the whole IZ launch, tweaking the numbers of the fuel buff, changing the MC perks, etc

[quiet vector]

[timber sapphire]

Still miss his laugh

[indigo coral]

I always was under the assumption mega cities were a dlc after launch of the games from what I remember.

That´s why I didn´t bother paying lots extra for them at landsale.

[rotund forum]

At landsale was actually the ideal moment to buy it as it was just treated as any plot. If you put some plots in the same wallet that did draw attention of some to try yo beat you to the punch and resell it x5

[cinder grove]

It was, so don’t understand the request by @tall bear as he also confirmed this

[tall bear]

Again, it’s not a big deal having MC later IF the MC perks don’t heavily rely on a rush at start ability. What makes it problematic is the fact that they designed it so that most of the advantage you get on your MC is at launch, so delaying MC makes them much less interesting

[indigo coral]

I think we kinda always did know that, MC seemed like a future dlc thing, not a launch thing

with Hangars or w.e. other stuff was mentioned in ama/townhalls

[tall bear]

But then don’t make the perks of MC a rush at launch ability

It’s not the rush at launch perks that is problematic, nor the release of MC later, those two independently aren’t problematic, but those two together are very problematic for MC owners

[indigo coral]

perks still exist for the future landplots etc. but yeah I get your point, should have likely been a topic far earlier than atm though

Like at landsale or a year ago we could have had these talks, as I don´t think MC was ever a plan for launch as far as I remember again.

[tall bear]

I don’t recall when they said it but they did say MC would be ready for launch, that’s why the rush at launch perk of MC seemed okay

[indigo coral]

I don´t remember the ready at launch statement, maybe that is why I failed to understand lots of the sentiment.

[tardy falcon]

Sounds like Kieran is open to changing the MC bonus… just think of what makes sense and propose it

Some ideas… mc holders get an exclusive skin or 5 MC only bps, 50/100% boost when live, extra fuel drop for mc only, scan boost for plots that would make up a Mc (could maybe be ready for launch?) if not, scan boost for Mc when live, etc… just package something that makes sense

Put it in ideas… get the votes… send it to gov and voila…

[tall bear]

I’m out for a week can’t use my pc so I don’t know how to use the research on phone but if you search for megacities related messages on discord you should find it

[opal thistle]

Once you get the hang of using the mobile search it's not that bad.....hope this helps

[indigo coral]

interesting, I guess 1 year after landsale I didnt follow the chat 24/7

[tall bear]

It seems Johnny’s message were deleted or I can’t see them but this comment seems to relate what he said that Mc would be there on launch

[tall bear]

Thanks !

[radiant sky]

probably can't find them... there are multiple over the last years stating it

[tall bear]

You were faster than me should have asked you right away 😂

[hearty cradle]

oof

[radiant sky]

just don't ping johnny... let him rest 😅
He was just the one providing info, not the one steering the wheel

[hearty cradle]

isnt what MC owners need is speed ups?

[hearty cradle]

lol

[radiant sky]

Not more than single plot

[opal thistle]

I assumed there had to be something like that most definitely.....that was never my point. My point was that those promises were not there pre or on land sale......and @tall bear I definitely understand your point there 👇
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

Yea, on landsale the Plan was Zero live End of 2022, right?
With that being shifted MC's got secured for launch

[cinder grove]

Media link from April 2022, nothing about MC there at launch and this is last part publishing I can find before land sale. There is no mentioning of it will be there at launch of IZ

We all bought land with an assumption, no guarantees.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[cinder grove]

Source?

[radiant sky]

like there is multiple, just look them up and scan through discord history.
Got mentioned of tuxic (lead of iz team at those times) and by johnny throughout the past 2 years

probably even find in the pins

or techupdates in the pins

[cinder grove]

That is all after the land sale, people complaint about their expectations during the land sale

[radiant sky]

so it's not about a discourse, it's more pointing fingers towards people you were wrong?

[cinder grove]

But I said what I wanted to say, I think most of you as well. I think the counsel and everybody heard all of us. Let them figure it out. I am moving on.

[radiant sky]

so do i... just providing information if stuff is unclear for people...

[iron laurel]

If we are still talking about what to do for city owners, my one issue is time, especially with release not being 2 weeks earlier. If I am reading this right I will get a bonus but I will have to play 4 plots instead of one city to get it, which will take more time. I don't know how it could be done but would there be a way of playing 1 plot of our city and having it accredited as playing like it were the city based on what our other city plots have on them or is that far too complicated?

[pearl marten]

This could be a good compromise imo. Assign 1 of the 4 or 9 plots as the 'Main Plot' which would get a bonus in research, have the biodata spread to the other plots etc

[iron laurel]

Yeah, if we played the highest tier plot that we have in our city. It just takes so much longer, especially for those who have multiple T1 plots in the city.

[barren turtle]

I’m Ready to go!!!!!! Let’s go IZ!!!!!

[steep surge]

I bought a Zero land, how can I play with it right now?

[timber glacier]

https://zero.illuvium.io/
there should be a link on this page to the epic store where you can download the game
then just log in with the account that has the wallet with your land linked to it

[steep surge]

Ahh, thanks!

[timber glacier]

I can't seem to find the download for Zero though

[steep surge]

on the top right corner, I found it

"Play Now"

[timber glacier]

Ah my bad, download is right off that page, not the Epic store

[regal pike]

!elements

[raw mason]

My code arrived, I was going to use it 1 or 2 days later and it says the code has expired, can I get a new code?

help me please

[mental badge]

I already download the beta test 4 with my old pc how to transfer it to a new one? code already use

[cursive mirage]

Log in to epic game store with the same account like on the old pc should work

[cursive mirage]

Filter for Illuvials you own.

[rotund forum]

dr. spoon is creepy (in a very nice sense). He is here, knows shit and then I see him top 10 in overworld. I love you dude but I assume you don´t have kids/wife/shitty dayjob. You are always decent with your answers and still very on top of things. I for one appreciate having ppl like you here.

I thought ILZ was going to make me rich... now... I think I might be lucky if I play even in overworld 😝 it is addictive. Great stuff coming ahead

[humble arrow]

If I receive a blueprint now, will it remain when the game releases? Or it will be deleted

[long tendon]

Honestly, from what I've gathered and know is that MCs wasn't originally planned to be in OB but considering the length of development Labs was able to release a statement that it would then be changed to be made available by OB. However, after looking at the timeline and priority of development this was again changed to post OB.

This is the reality of on-going development. While many would welcome changes that benefit them but are resistant to the very same changes that would no longer give them the benefit. And frankly, I find that unfair for Labs and the DAO to be held hostage on efforts that was made in good faith.

The ask always boils down to 2 things. Delay OB, or get compensated. It's really a sad reality: no matter what happens people will not be satisfied unless everything they want is given to them at the expense of others.

Feel free to make demands on compensation and what not but I hope those who do, would consider being rationale with their asks. That's all I'd personally ask 😀

[humble arrow]

Will progress on lands be reset when mainnet start?

[opal thistle]

Yes señor

[crimson plaza]

Will we be able tu use our own gas kn overworld for open beta? Or we will need to sell it and buy it back from the dex

[radiant sky]

Rumors of some teammembers state there might be a Button at some point in time in the future, which sells and buys the fuel in the background but for you it would look like a transfer.
However, this is not stated to be a feature in future in an official document and might be not implemented.

[high sleet]

So I've been playing a bunch of this cool game I found called Mindustry.

Just got me thinking, would be super cool to see Illuvium Zero have elements of this or factorio one day, would be super cool

[radiant sky]

Is it possible to get a list what is actually ready for beta version and when the testing starts?
It seems like it actually is just fuel production/sales which make it into open beta and many features are actually not in, like for example:

• MC's
• Blueprint minting
• Ressource transport between plots
• Podarium (I guess the whole new plant system?)
• other stuff?

[tall crypt]

deleted

[radiant sky]

it got stated by team that they try to take the blueprint data over into beta.
However, this is not stated in any official document and it might be not possible

[ocean haven]

wwaiiit there is no bp? dindt we test that system half year ago

[radiant sky]

getting bp data maybe, but at least bp minting has a delay according to the iip of kieran

[ocean haven]

last time 2 weeks became 2 years, and still nothing has been build, this is going to be good

[radiant sky]

it was actually 6 months becoming 2 years.
So if you wana make a guess and calculate the 6-8 weeks one could put in the factor 4 as an empiric meassured delay-constant 🙃

joking obviously... or am i not? 😛

[ocean haven]

hehe ofcouse 🙂
do you know what they did do the last 2 years, update graphic?

if im not wrong it got updated twice?

[hearty cradle]

are skins finished?

have we tested minting skins from BP?

[radiant sky]

It was stated by teammembers they would be ready.
However, no point in having them ready before bp mint implementation, right?

[steep surge]

How is possible to get more builders?

What I need to upgrade for that?

[radiant sky]

Years we have successfully tested it.
There were some hiccups due to cheatprotection being to harshly in the beginning and it detected malicious behaviour even tho there wasn't. But no other major Problems AT all

[radiant sky]

No additional builders in Alpha season1.
You will have More builders in Beta, either through achievements, buying or getting for free is not clear to this point

[steep surge]

Thanks!:)

Can't wait to try Beta too

I just bought yesterday my first land

I love this ecosystem, everything connected with everything

this private beta 4 is soo good!

I can't stop playing, idk what is going on! 😄

[radiant sky]

Yea me too 🙂

[steep surge]

On what level is your land?

[radiant sky]

Indeed, connection of different Games is so good and i'm curious how it all unfolds.
Same mate, played already Way too much pb4 😄

[radiant sky]

Ufff, has been a while since i logged in last time.
I guess on average i'm arround lvl1000 on all lands

[radiant sky]

What Tier you got and in which Region you are going to build your new home in illuvium? 🙂

[steep surge]

Just only T1, Shardbluff labyrinth

[steep surge]

uff 😄 that's nice, when did u started playing ILV?

[radiant sky]

2022

[radiant sky]

Cool.
I think i have a t1 there too 🙂

Maybe we are neighbours 😄

[steep surge]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-gif-25269017

ahh no gifs here :c

[radiant sky]

There are but you need to be Ranger (discord lvl5) to be able to Post gifs and pics

You can Check your rank in #👑〕bot-commands

[steep surge]

ahh, ty Sir

I'm lv2 only

I'm just checking the influencer hub

but with this land project, I need some new infos! 😄

but everybody is so helpful here

[radiant sky]

😔 don't have access to influencer hub

[steep surge]

There will be a wipe with your resources when the game released?

[radiant sky]

Everything will get wiped for Beta, yes.
Well actually more of "we Change to a completely new build" than a wipe
Your blueprint and biodata might be transferred, but thats not sure yet

[steep surge]

I didn't know anything about the blueprints yet

In the Zero, on the top right corner, the golden icon, they are just to skip the timer or is there any other functions too?

because the shop is live yet

the blueprints are skins in overworld?

[cinder grove]

With Blueprints you can create the skins for OW

[hearty cradle]

how far are we from finishing all the skins?
i would assume landowners want to craft skins from the bp they have found?

[long tendon]

Ill bring this up and get a response from labs.

[radiant sky]

Cheers, appreciate it

[radiant sky]

I don't know

[steep surge]

the game is available to iPhone yet?

[hearty cradle]

soooon

[polar cosmos]

Big buys on land marketplace last 2 days 🧹

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tall crypt]

one question. After use blueprint, never will use?

[wary notch]

Allways will use

[steep surge]

I have 4 Sequestrian Plant II (Which is a Carbon Converter), but only 3 collecting passive carbon. Is there any limit on them?

+1 how can I get hyperion + solon, if I have only a T1 land with crypton?

[timber sapphire]

Converters

The beta version will have changes tho so I would wait with getting information

[radiant sky]

There shouldn't be a Limit in the current build.
And as Brian pointed out already, build converters to produce the missing fuel

[vast roost]

So when is the eta for zero going live? I want to know how much time i have to buy the land that i want

[tall crypt]

If you want a piece of land, for the price they have, buy it now.

[tardy falcon]

Land price are still pretty good. Last time they were this low was summer 2023 before Arena launch. But as Arena got closer to launch land started moving. I'm starting to see it happening again here as OB is getting closer. Floor prices are tticking up. I'd guess that will continue. NFA tho but would make sense for things to keep going that way.

[radiant sky]

Nobody knows, waiting for info

[formal wadi]

There's a proposal for zero to be live in the same time as OW and Arena

[humble arrow]

I still don't understand what 95% of the fuel will be produced by the DAO, is it known at what price they will sell fuel? What is the point for people to buy/own their own personal land if 95% of the market is controlled by a developer?

[formal wadi]

It just says revenue from fuel being sold goes 5% to land holders, and 95% for the dao ( aka ilv stakers )

[humble arrow]

Do you mean income from commissions?

[regal pike]

Hey guys, would you buy two T1 or one T2 land and why?

[quasi bear]

Hi

[mortal mural]

Land owners get 5% of all digital good sales. There is an iip about it let me look it up

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1196516944124334100

[humble arrow]

Illuvium Zero Land was sold with the intention of returning 5% of the total revenue generated from in-game purchases to its holders.

[timber vault]

tier two because if you have abunch of t1 land, you go crazy doing click click click chores, and whichever element you lack, you bottleneck, build converters, bottleneck bottleneck bottleneck. so annoying. t2 with good distribution of different stuff would be best imo

[barren turtle]

When is it all projected to go live?

[hearty cradle]

fuel price ceiling will be decided and tba.
fuel supply will come from IZ and the dao will add 19x everytime landowners sell fuel. anything sold above the ceiling will be supplied 100% by the dao, and the dao will distribute 5% to landowners.
we want the dao to control because its risky if landowners controls it, manipulation

[vale dragon]

gm

[humble arrow]

Was this system invented originally or recently?

[broken roost]

excuse me, but if im not mistaken, the part ''we want the dao to control because its risky if landowners controls it, manipulation'' is not present in any part of IIP39 where the motivations for this change were written

[broken roost]

#1150838089489596439 message

thats when it changed

[hearty cradle]

which system

[broken roost]

im not sure if thats your question

[hearty cradle]

the last one was not written in the IIP

[humble arrow]

I don't understand why there should be limits on fuel prices? this is a market and what will be the demand will be the price. Why is there a need to set a price limit?

[broken roost]

thats a very good question, in fact if im not mistaken it was kieran who actually wanted it to be a free market, but they ended up deciding some price limits would be healthier for the ecosystem

i would have loved to see how a free market worked, just out of curiosity

[humble arrow]

I think this is a strange policy with price caps

[vivid cipher]

Actual Free market is still the goal after a controlled period. Price Rails has been the plan from the very beginning. Long before land sale.

[broken roost]

it would be awesome to get to that point

[broken roost]

as for the price rails, having both price rails and land being the only source of fuel (both hypothetically true before land sale) would've meant that the possibility of many people not being able to play because of a fuel shortage was very likely

i don't remember price rails being discussed before land sale but i guess you've been around the longest here

[vivid cipher]

Incorrect. The DAO always could have minted fuel.

[broken roost]

how?

[vivid cipher]

Turn on a faucet. Type a command.

Much like how the DAO minted like 10billion sILV to rescue the silv LP on uniswap when the silv minting contract was hacked. The DAO controls the wallets with minting power for the tokens. It can do what needs done.

I’m uncertain if this is still a publicly viewable thread… but it’s the oldest pinned IZ tokenomics pdf.

#872938475492626462 message

It talks a bit about the concept of the fuel tap.

[broken roost]

interesting, then why was IIP 39 needed? genuenly asking.
you were right about the rails also, kieran mentions 25% rail in some old videos

[vivid cipher]

New plans.

Proper documentation for governance maybe

[hearty cradle]

at first the rails were +25% and -25%.
then it changed to a fixed price ceiling. the reason is to attract broader market. as we know launch hype and bull peak hype can drive price very high, the price ceiling limits that

a good P2E (flywheel) need sustainable inflow of new players. we dont want to price out newcomers

[vivid cipher]

Thanks.

[broken roost]

I see
I do disagree with the fact that the DAO could've always produced fuel. I mean technically you are correct, they could. But that would've meant going against their own rules, at least at the time when land was promoted as the only source of fuel right before land sale

[vivid cipher]

That lingo was trash. I hated that promo language. Because it was obviously wrong. And convinced so many that it’s not 5%

[broken roost]

well it was not obvious to me 😅

[vivid cipher]

Exactly.

We tried to have conversations with everyone back then too. But obviously failed.

Anyway I’m gonna get some sleep.

[broken roost]

yeah me too its also late here, good night

thanks for the chat

[hearty cradle]

did they say "the only source" ?
we always know the dao supply 95%

[hearty cradle]

it was actually "up to 5%"
it could be less, but the upper rails IIP fixed that

[humble arrow]

100% mate

[cinder grove]

I think in the beginning land owners would get 5% of all the fuel sales, now it is 5% of all digital illuvium sales. So that is better than before the land sales.

[finite scroll]

How to play this game

[narrow oasis]

@graceful siren @dusky lava I’m so tired of reading these kinds of comments:

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Stop using “This is web3” or “We are a DAO” as an excuse. Stop normalizing deceptive marketing, censorship, scams, and failures as part of what is web3. Relying on this terrible standard only exacerbates some of the problems the industry is facing, like adoption and trust. Bad business practices are bad, web3 or not.

I know Illuvium has an exceptional vision which comes with extremely difficult tasks. I believe in its success, but please for the love of web3, don’t use it as an excuse when difficulties arise.

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[sudden zinc]

@modern basalt GM… no beta so far, although land owner from day 1!!!! 🥴

[upbeat drift]

so do we know any timeline when ilv zero will go live?

this quarter,next one?

[finite scroll]

How to play this game

[humble arrow]

shouldn't this happen with start of the open beta test?

[upbeat drift]

i don t know,that s why i am asking

[hearty cradle]

tba

[dusky bough]

guys what do i need to take a look at if looking for a land? anything special?

and if i have a t3/4 land will i be able to get the benefits of my land when playing or how does it work if i play? can i just go on lands on others if i dont own one?

[radiant sky]

• Layout of the sites (especially low Tiers)
• balancing of the sites (balanced Elements+fuel sites)
• landmark fitting to your sites
• Location of the Land itself (MC possible)
• Region (if you want to build for bp and you prefer specific affinities)

[regal pike]

thx dude, I appreciate your opinion

[regal pike]

Thx dude! Can you clarify it a bit more? I would be very happy if you can do it ❤️

• Layout of the sites = Dont know what that means, because every land is just a rectangle 😄
• balancing of the sites = every land is balanced by it's tier, isnt it?
• Landmark fitting your sites = I have absolutely no idea what that means
• Location of the Land itself = Where the land plot is? So if its standing alone or surrounded by many other (different tier) lands?
• Region = What "bp" stands for and where I can find the affinities of the different regions?

[dusky bough]

thank you for your help and ive the same questions asl kiezlegende

[radiant sky]

• Layout of the sites
  there's a structure called scanner which has increased efficiency the less buildings are in his area (Area of effect=6 squares).
  So if you want to build many scanners (Mostly on T1/T2) you want your element/fuel sites being in one half of your land, ideally even in one corner, so you have enough space to build multiple high efficiency scanners. This also has the positive effect of being easier to push the efficiency of your extractors/converters, since they are close together and need less power stations. (Note; Power stations, pathing and efficiency might have a considerable rework in beta which could change that)

• Balancing of the sites
  In order to have it easier and quicker to build up your base, especially in the early game. You want in best case a balanced distribution of the elemen/fuel sites. For example 2x of each element site and 1x of each fuel site. You need to waste less space than having for example 1 element completely missing and you need to build converters to produce that element. (Converters need more space than an extractor and they produce less resources than an extractor)

• Landmark fitting your sites
  High tier plots (T3/T4/T5) have a unique landmark in the center of their landplot. This landmark has a bonus, which increases either element production of a specific element (T3), fuel production of a specific fuel (T4) or is a completely unique super special bonus with sponsorship purposes of tournaments (T5). So you want as many sites as possible fitting your landmark. (Note; Landmark bonuses will spread and stack in a Megacity)

• Location of the land
  Either yourself might want to build a megacity (MC), so you have to watch out for Landplots meeting all the other points mentioned in this post and being located in a square (2x2/3x3) of adjecant landplots, or another landowner might want to build a MC and wants to buy your land in order to complete the MC and pay you a premium price for buying your land.

• Region
  Every region has it's own Spawnrates if it comes to scanning for certain affinities. So depending on what affinity you like to focus on when researching Biodata for Blueprints, you might want to choose to have your land in that specific region.

please note; these are all information you want to look out based on the current alpha build.
Many things will change in the beta version of illuvium: zero and those might change the parameters of what is an ideal landplot.

[regal pike]

@radiant sky you're my hero, thanks for clarify. I appreciate that!!

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-dr-spoon-helper-gif-7953195727600506288

[lavish hawk]

hello guys!!! are we able to mint the blueprints?? hehe I bit loost with the latest updates! thanks

[dusky bough]

so to build a megacity i need 2x2 landplots next to each other?
and about the resources so if i have a t3 land with the big thing in the middle i want to have as much from the same color on the landplot aswell?
and how many fuels ements are there 3 / 3?

[timber sapphire]

?fuel

[lethal wyvern]

What are each type of fuel used for?

In the Illuvium Universe, there are three different types of fuel Hyperion, Solon, and Crypton. These fuels are used in the Illuvium ecosystem for various purposes, such as curing shards, crafting weapons and upgrades, and traveling to different regions. Fuel production is driven by Illuvium Zero

In Illuvium: Overworld

• Hyperion is used to cure shards and capture Illuvials,
• Solon is used to craft weapons, armor, and other upgrades,
• Crypton is used to travel to different regions.

In Illuvium: Zero
Hyperion, Solon, and Crypton are commonly used in high-level buildings. These fuel types may be required in order to build or upgrade certain structures

[radiant sky]

#📣〕announcements message

[dusky bough]

is there a wiki where i can see the differen illuviums and their affinities so i know which map i would love to play on?

[radiant sky]

Megacity
A Megacity can be built out of either 2x2 or 3x3 adjecant (next to each other) landplots in a square.

Perks of a Megacity
Forming a Megacity has different perks added to your landplots included in that Megacity like:

• Landmark bonus spread and stack on all your landplots included in the megacity
• Share of different structures (Only 1 engineering workshop/Quantum fabricant/Nexus needed to fullful requirements of other structures(pleaso note that you might still need multiple Nexuses for increasing max structure limit))
• Sharing storage and with that you have one resource pool for all your landplots
• Sharing facts + Biodata + Blueprint data

Tier production boost is not shared in your Megacity

Megacity Feature won't be available AT Launch according to the newest IIP which has a high Chance to be approved

[radiant sky]

you probably want to visit 3rd party websites like illuvihub or illuvidata.
They both have an Illuviary.

Please note, on land in Illuvium: Zero, you scan for the Biodata of Illuvials which as soon as found you might want to research in your materials labs in order to get a Blueprint or a fact of your researched Illuvial.

• A Blueprint is kind of like a recipe needed to be able to craft skins for your ranger or drone, with the looks of the Illuvial the Blueprint is about.
• A fact increases your chance of successfully researching a biodata with the same affinity as the Illuvials fact is about

You don't get Illuvials out of Illuvium: Zero

[tall bear]

Wen DrSpoon made third party website about IZ ?