🎮〕illuvium-zero

[thin wolf]

@grave haven here you go

https://youtu.be/l6Eit_SbC6g?si=gy9JPiCq7gbQLpbc

[grave haven]

Ty

[radiant sky]

it's basically:

• rush for nexus 6
• Spam fuel converter (lvl1 for passiv fuel production)
• Go for nexus 7
• Build up your element production
• Build scanners (4-6x)
• Build matlabs until you found all BP

[hasty topaz]

How many ZP should you have the more the faster you mint ?!?!

[grave haven]

What happen if the guy that got the land before me already milked all the Blue pritn ?

[radiant sky]

you are not able to mint the blueprints yet.
There will be a short term window for minting at the very end of season 1
As soon as you transfer your land to another wallet or sell it, all progress will get wiped.

So he can't have milked all the Blue prints. 🙂

[grave haven]

Do we know the price for each mint ? / when will it take place approximativly ?

[radiant sky]

there's not much details known for the minting process yet.

[radiant sky]

It should all be on L2, so you don't need to pay for minting.
Nonetheless, i don't know what else will be required for minting other than having the Blueprints and the ZeroPointTransducer

[amber atlas]

Hey folks here is one of the Zero design docs from Dmitiry that I mentioned I would share a while back.** Note that this is a forward looking draft and subject to change based on testing, etc!**

As @cyan bone mentioned there is no committed plan to delivering something new in to the Alpha other than Blueprint minting. But I've discussed several ideas with Aaron and co, and we will take a few ideas to council.

[radiant sky]

do you know if morphopods will cost energy in open beta to farm, or will they stay the cute little beings you can gather for free while grinding OW?

[amber atlas]

no, not sure at all... @bitter glade ?

[bitter glade]

The plan for now is they won’t cost energy. But you will be limited to how many you can catch per travel.

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-back-gif-8275005

[spice crystal]

Will IZ ever get its due.

All I see is Disk this Disk That

[cyan bone]

Yes it will.

Illuvium Zero is a fully fledged game which will launch across multiple devices

It has a huge amount of potential, the team are laser focused on delivering a great outcome for Open Beta.

[bitter phoenix]

My t2 is not progressing. I haven’t played in weeks. Logged in today and no fuel or elements were produced.

[timber glacier]

And just like that there's another market for IZ plots.
Dye production.

[bitter phoenix]

They are still stuck at like half way through a production

[bitter phoenix]

I love this idea

[pearl marten]

Not to mention the possibillity to create very rare skins

[timber glacier]

that too

[atomic nexus]

What are we waiting? Only minting blueprints?

[timber glacier]

Release of open beta?
But before that, yes minting.

[wispy prism]

Brilliant!!!

[fossil galleon]

Future IZ updates mentioned in #📣〕social-media

[hoary forge]

Illuvium Zero Progress Update 🚀

Rangers, it's been a minute since our last update, so we've got some juicy tidbits to share about what players have to look forward to 👇:

• Popups & Info: We've polished activity validation displays to make 'em more user-friendly.
• Android Bound: We're prepping for our Play Store debut. And don't worry; WebGL is still on track!
• In-game shop: Open beta will offer credits using fiat or crypto on Android. The choice is yours.
• Efficiency 2.0: Revamped calculations offer a smoother, more intuitive experience.
• Path Makeover: Expect a more straightforward approach to activity planning with added quality-of-life perks.
• Meet the Builders: Use credits to bring on more builders and get those buildings up faster.
• Visual Upgrades: New VFX and a zoom-out feature lets you see your entire plot.
• Soundscapes: FMOD integration is underway for an immersive audio experience.
• In the Works: From plants and podariums to backend security and holographic statues, we're on it.

Big thanks for sticking with us. More cool stuff is on the horizon for Illuvium Zero! 🎮🌟

[feral moss]

Did the blueprint minting started already?

[hoary forge]

No not yet. There will be an #📣〕announcements when we have a update on this.

[mellow quiver]

Hi, an I correct in saying that the blueprints are the only resource able to be minted and kept from this beta? No gain in continuing to mine and convert resources once blueprints are gained? Cheers

[feral moss]

Thanks

[timber glacier]

Correct, only blueprints minted will be saved at the end of the alpha.

[gloomy quarry]

This is great idea, the more stuff to do and look forward to, the better

[hoary forge]

Post it in #🛒〕land-dex please

[molten jewel]

Any news regarding the availability of the game in iOS? I know there was some talk of a web version, but were there any developments in providing the game as an app with Apple, or is that off the table?

[timber glacier]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[viral star]

I've gone on a massive drought with scans, they are all at 100%. just bad luck or is there something else?

[radiant sky]

just bad luck most likely

[viral star]

yeah strange - well building more. Almost done

[radiant sky]

how many you have?

[viral star]

I've got everything on my t4 and 6-9 blueprints on my 3 t1s

but only 3 bio data - so backed up a bit right now

[radiant sky]

ok, but i meant scanner 😄 how many scanners you have?

[viral star]

oh lol 3 now

[radiant sky]

yea tha't not that much

for how many labs?

[viral star]

6 ish

[radiant sky]

i was waiting for biodata once when i tried to just build 5 scanners

[viral star]

damn lol

[radiant sky]

so i went with 6 scanners on pretty much every plot

[viral star]

I did have the scanners up and running solo for a while tho, but yeah should have kept going

[radiant sky]

but mostly had way mor mat labs too ho

[viral star]

ya - I have too many lol

[radiant sky]

so you built scanners, upgraded ress production and then build matlabs?

[digital agate]

How much time left for playing in season one before release of PB1?

[vestal raft]

Do we know if we will be able to use the fuel generated by our own land, directly in the OW ourself... or do we have to sell the fuel on the market and then buy it again when wanting to use fuel in OW, for travel, crafting etc.. (so if I generate crypton on my land, will I be able to use that for a run in OW).

[cosmic spade]

long time ago they said no, sell and buy

[timber glacier]

I think everything will go through the fuel pool, so technically you'll sell and rebuy. But the process will be automatic and to the player it'll look like a simple IZ to OW transfer.

I'll try and track down the last info we got on that

There: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message
A bit old, but there hasn't been anything newer posted regarding it.

[vestal raft]

Thanks… that was a nice find Vana 👍 (remembering reading about it, but couldn’t find it, so started to think I might have dreamed it, hehe). It also makes sense it will work like that.

[timber glacier]

No problem

[tall crypt]

nothing, Do You understand? Nothing

[hoary forge]

No I don't understand. What do you mean?

[empty path]

He is not happy with the updates

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-assume-so-yeah-joshua-sharon-ahcraaap-i-suppose-so-i-guess-gif-18989305

[tall crypt]

The usual blah blah blah. There is nothing new. Just things that designers in the metaverse do, but that do not affect us landholders in any way. Tell me, what does the VFX, the path make over... give me? Do I answer you? well nothing. Until the blueprints can be minted, do not release intangible news.

[hoary forge]

Sorry it was not my update. I only copy paste from the tweet on X. To get you the information too.

[slim wigeon]

But johnnys document was nice wasn t it?

Where do you find your players for ilv0?

I am strugling with 16 plots will need to find players for them as long as mega cities are not implemented.

[tall crypt]

I was pay 0'05$/experiencie point Maximum 500 points(25$) and 40-50% of NFT when can sell. If anyone want receipt NFT now I pay 2$/NFT 7'5*2= 15$ addicional. 40$/ plot.

Now all scholars are halted.

[slim wigeon]

Where did you find your Scholars?

So you minted all blueprints already congrats

[tall crypt]

Yes 78 lands and ZPT to 3 level. Its vey dificult copy user discord

[slim wigeon]

Insane this is a big amount of blueprints

If you find some more scholars you don t need for open beta let me know

[amber atlas]

The Open Beta release for Zero means building a backend and new client. **Just because you don't want to hear news about the progress of this build it doesn't change the overwhelming sentiment from the community: namely that they want dev updates. **

If you only want news about launches stick to Announcements channels (big news like Blueprint minting opening will go there) or just ignore dev updates.

---

For Blueprint Minting: the plan is to release it this side of Christmas. Although PB3 is the heavy focus right now, at this stage there doesn't seem to be any reason we can't deliver on this plan.

For Other Rewards: there is a generally agreed sentiment (internally) that we should add one additional reward on top of Blueprints for Alpha users. There are a few ideas being floated around. Once we hone in on 1-3 ideas that are feasible and rewarding we will take them to the community and council for discussion and ultimately vote. These rewards will focus on tech that already exists to reduce development effort (for example Air Dropping NFTs) but ideally will be tied to gameplay not just ownership.

[pure fable]

I really think that some additional rewards will have a good effect on the overall sentiment and trust from landowners. Since they all bought thinking that they can play two months after they bouhgt but it delayed basically 2 years.

[pure fable]

I am very happy to see some of these updates. As a player I really like the popup and info changes and also the long awaited ZOOM out
Thanks team ❤️

[amber atlas]

Holding up my end of the bargain I've formally drafted one of my reward ideas with another in progress. Note I can't guarantee the founders or council will see eye-to-eye with me on this, see Beyond CCG Pitch for example. But I can write good pitches and list the pros and cons as I see them.

[celest wagon]

Thanks Johnny🤝

[pure fable]

is it correct that the lowest T1 on the market goes for $500 currently?

wasn't floor $270 few days ago?

[radiant sky]

don't follow it lately, but someone sweeped the floor recently.

[pure fable]

good job!

[tardy falcon]

yep... someone bought 100 or so plots.

Sweep t3 n t4 plz... wait, lemme get a t4 first, then sweep XD

[mortal mural]

Good job on the update IZ team. I hope you don’t take some of what some land owners say too harshly. I believe the whole illuvium team is working their 4$$ off to make a great game, I appreciate it.

[mortal smelt]

If nobody can take criticism then they shouldn’t be in web3 imo and so far everyone has surpassed my expectations

[tall crypt]

No progress, because if You have more 170 builds in your land, cannot play, disapperar menú and cannot update builds. This bug is there for time ago, there isn't make a solucion.

[ocean haven]

people paid 100s some 1000s of $ for a undone mobile game with in-game purchase shameless lol

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks for listening to the sentiment and trying to come up with a solution. We all look forward to seeing what you cook up. 🫶🏻

[hoary forge]

That's not true. People paid for a land plot that will be able to play illuvium zero.
And like with the other games we are still in a testing/building stage.
I know people are frustrated because it takes so long, but that's normal when you build a game from the ground up.
I am a land owner too I know how you feel.

[gloomy quarry]

I know you are trying to help Synix but this only annoys people, also it's not true.

People spent thousands on a game thinking OB was few months away, not years. If people knew how far away the OB is the sale would have went differently, for better or worse.

Yes its normal for game development to take years, and people buy the product when it is released, not 2 years prior. The sentiment around that is rightly how it should be, we already got good news that team is working on additional stuff for zero. No need for comments like that trying to justify the delays and all the controversy around land sale, it is what it is. All we can do is wait

[tawny wasp]

Excited to see the reward pitch. As I mentioned during @bitter phoenix's IIP, I also support the sentiment and believe the team will find a reward system that will be best for the situation.

[hoary forge]

Ok thanks for the feedback. Only wanted to clarify that you don't payed for the game. 👍

[gloomy quarry]

What did we pay for then, beta testing? That is usually done for free or in some cases beta testers are paid for it not the other way around

[hoary forge]

You invested in a game that gives you access when it's ready to earn fuel. But that's only my opinion. I bought 2 land plots as an investment. Not only to play the game. I want to earn money with it. Selling fuel.
If I buy a game that comes out years later for only playing. That's something different.
I made a few bugs by buying and selling land plot. Kind of like tokens. Buy low sell high.

But as I said only my opinion.

[gloomy quarry]

Fair enough, some people feel differently about it, no need to gaslight them. Thank you for your hard work, cheers.

[hoary forge]

I only want to help the community. Sorry if this frustrated people more. That's not my intention.

[ancient nacelle]

Anyone know where to find info on how many 2x2 and 3x3 megacities are out there already?

Would love to know what the average resale is on them if there is data on that.

[radiant sky]

Not really, probably many still spread out on different wallet since landsale happened.
Average resale probably also not really feasable. So many things to consider.

• landmarks
• what Tiers are in MC
• Layout of the single plots
• Distribution of the sites

[ancient nacelle]

Yeah I figured as much. Just seeing if any brainiac has spent the time researching and figuring out.

[cerulean steppe]

Even small chances (enhanced with paid credits?) to catch real Illuvials -and not just biodata - with IL:Z gameplay would make playing IL:Z so much more exciting and rewarding.

[ancient nacelle]

I thought that the difficulty factor of getting a 3x3 especially would be a factor in the value also. They I can't imagine there would be more than a few dozen.

[ancient nacelle]

Nice idea but we don't want to take away from OW just like we don't want OW taking away from IZ. I reckon they should just allow us to keep all our structures after the wipe. 😉

[slim wigeon]

I think this would further decrease the value of Illuvials depending on how much credits it would cost.

It s important that the value of illuvials does not go too low otherwise nobody wants to play OW.

We first would have to see the demand for assets from Arena.

[cerulean steppe]

It doesn't have to be huge, just very small chances. Not even close to the chances you get with OW play.

Just to add to the excitement when you click on your scanner every day.

[radiant sky]

I guess there is a small premium for that calculated in 👍

[radiant sky]

From what i've seen, there were mc on Sale in #🛒〕land-dex from 2 ETH up to 25 ETH

[ancient nacelle]

that's where I'll start looking then . Cheers.

[grave haven]

If anyone want a t3 land mine is flored 1.6 ETH

[radiant sky]

#🛒〕land-dex 😬

[grave haven]

@ancient nacelle I can't DM you but if you want to negociate it we can but i wont go much lower

@ancient nacelle And if it does not interest you i'd like to know why if you can tell me

[slim wigeon]

Prices dropped so much? 😱

[ancient nacelle]

Sorry mate, not interested at that price. I already have a T3 in Shardbluff. Thanks anyway.

[weary bluff]

😢

save ilv zero

[grave haven]

Np

[weary bluff]

council, help

[grave haven]

Well it was 1.7 before me and i think i got this t3 for like 1.4

[slim wigeon]

Crazy times ahead I think the values will be much higher

[grave haven]

Probably but it's like waiting waiting waiting

I've been here since the first land sale and yet it doesnt seems like much thing has changed

[weary bluff]

i blame ilv beyond for that

[grave haven]

It almost seems like they're delaying on purpose ^^

[slim wigeon]

Soon give it until second quarter of 24, future will be bright!

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[ocean haven]

The more complex the game, the more time is needed to develop it. On average, creating a mobile game from idea to release, takes 5 to 18 months of hard work. If you plan to create and develop a relatively small functional mobile game, you can count on 3 to 5 months - this is what google says about timefarme for building a mobile game.

i just think its sad to see time being spend on in-game purchases, when people already paid a very high price to play zero, and it got delayed over 1 year

[glass widget]

Hi guys. where are we on illvium zero? i played abit but rightfully the beta should have ended and the first batch of rewards minted?

[proper nest]

there will be f2p players on the game, so it makes sense to have time spent on in-game purchases

[timber glacier]

There's been some delays, mostly due to the other games not getting ready in time, so we're still in alpha.
We got a rough estimate on the timeline this morning though
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[glass widget]

thanks for updates!

@timber glacier do u know if other games offer rewards too?

like overworld and arena

[timber glacier]

Not currently.
I think the idea is for there to be some sort of leaderboard in Overworld which will give out additional rewards once it's all on the blockchain.
And arena will have tournaments and also a ranking system, so most likely there will be rewards there as well, probably the most of them. But like Overworld that's not going to happen until after the game goes into open beta.

[ocean haven]

there will but focus after all that happend should be on the people that own land

[glass widget]

thanks for giving the updates 🙂 i was playing zero until they wipe my progress and i give up ha

[timber glacier]

Progress will be wiped one more time before open beta, but before that we will have a chance to mint the blueprints we've found since the last reset.

[glass widget]

yeah but they wipe my progress in the middle of my game

i shall see if they will reward alpha players

[timber glacier]

was that back in may/june, or at a later stage?

[glass widget]

yeah may/june

@timber glacier

[timber glacier]

That was the update from Alpha season 0 to season 1.
The game was reset for everyone at that stage

[radiant sky]

Hey @amber atlas ,
I know, its just a draft and many things can change arround the plantsystem and building.
Nonetheless, there are few questions i already have, to make sure i understood the base idea of it 🙂

• When harvesting a plant it will give a certain amount of element as a reward, and not the speed up coins anymore as soon as we are in beta, right?
• If i have built a Podarium, is it more likely for a plant to spawn inside the area of effect of the Podarium, than on just a random spot?
• If i would have for example just water-affinity morphopods stacked up in the podarium and a mutated plant spawns, would it have a guaranteed water-affinity?
• Whenever i create a skin, without using a Dye, it is automatically a Skin Variant which happens to be random chosen which variant it is going to be?
• Are plants still going to negatively influence the scanners efficiency when spawning in their area of effect?

[clever comet]

why this wallet buy so many land tier1 and tier2? what do you need so many?

[timber glacier]

Investing?
To make profit off selling them once prices go up, or by profiting off fuel production?
Your guess is as good as mine.

[amber atlas]

@grizzled jay is the one to answer these!

[grizzled jay]

Hey there, feel free to ping me about these, I can't promise that I will answer immediately, but I'll get to them whenever I can!

• That is correct! You will now be able to clear Plants and Mutated Plants in order to get some elements from them as a reward. If you are clearing a Regular Plant you will now receive randomly chosen Resource (not Fuel). If you are clearing a Mutated Plant however, you will get Dyes
• Yes, exactly. Podariums Area of Effect increases the chance that a Plant will Spawn inside the Area around it (how big an area is yet to be decided)
• If you had Stocked Up the Podarium with water-affinity morphopods a mutated plant that spawns will be guaranteed to be a water affinity mutated plant yes. You can add several kinds of Morphopods at the same time as well, and the probability of which affinity mutated plant will spawn will be weight based on the amount of morphopods you've used for Stocking Up Podarium. So if (for example, totally magic numbers) you put 70 water-affinity morphopods and 30 fire-affinity morphopods, the chance of getting a water Mutated Plant will be 70% and a fire Mutated Plant will be 30%
• Each Skin has a default variant, which is kind of like a base skin. If you use Dyes when crafting a Skin you can make a variant of it.
• Plants would not influence the scanners efficiency, no

[warm grove]

i have already build this up once

why is it empty again?

[tardy falcon]

U playing on two different devices?

[radiant sky]

Hey there, very much appreciate you sliding in and answering questions. 🙂

For the plant spawn question...
Is it like plants spawn first in podarium area, and as soon as the area is full, plants start spawning all over the place,
or is it more of really just an increased chance spawning in podariums area?

[grizzled jay]

Well, the Plants have this rule that determines if there are valid spawns in a given area - basically a Plant can only spawn 1 cell away from any Grid Object (which can be a Structure, Plant, Site, etc). And on top of that they are influence by the probability to Spawn in the Area of Effect of a Podarium. The first rule has priority so it will go something like this:

1. Roll dice for which Area Plant should spawn in (inside Podarium Area or outside)
2. Check if there are valid spot to spawn at
   2.1) If no space inside spawn outside (and vice versa)
   2.2) if no spots don't spawn at all

[radiant sky]

i see, thx for the datailed answer.

[amber atlas]

Hi @warm grove when did you build it up? If it was after the data wipe, then please raise a support ticket.

[fair temple]

I may have missed this info before... but ill jump in with additional questions since you are here :]

Does a T0 run have Morphopods, are they categorised in tiers as well? and in that case how do rare morphopods affect the podarium?

Do these dyes mean that the amount of skin work is multiplied manyfold? Is it just an accentual difference? How would this work with different colored Illuvial skins? I.e. íf we get a different Atlas version at a later date, would it have a unique skin or will it be the same skin but have yet another color variation from the original ones with different dyes? 👀

[amber atlas]

The art for dyes is not done yet, but the intent is to do it in the shader... tinting certain areas using shader parameters.

[radiant sky]

that does make sense, since it is a Dye 🙃

[fair temple]

Ahh right so it is a small accent that can be added to any colored skin. Very neat 🙂
Casually jumping to conclusions 😉

[upbeat drift]

why so much volume on land sales?

[amber atlas]

It might not be small, thats an art team thing to decide what looks best.

[upbeat drift]

anything announced i missed?

[radiant sky]

depends on when you last checked 🙂

[amber atlas]

Nothing I'm aware of. I did mention some additional rewards as an idea, but someone was sweeping floor before that.

[upbeat drift]

a while ago

something changed?i see they announced they will add other rewards beside the blueprint

[amber atlas]

There is no will add ... some ideas will be proposed which council may or may not accept!

[upbeat drift]

well honestly...there is a lot of work and and confidence put in the ilv zero and the people that are playing this much ,without anything getting back

i mean some kind of revenue or something

deserve more than blueprints

[timber glacier]

If that was before June, it's because of the season 1 update. All plots got reset with that update.

[timber glacier]

Someone bought a lot of lands a few days ago.
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[grizzled jay]

Hey there! So the spawn rates of Morphopods in OW are still being worked out, but the rule that a T0 run will not yield any Morphopods is indeed correct.

Morphopods aren't categorized by tier, instead quantity of Morphopods is what differs between runs. So higher tier runs will yield more Morphopods, which can be used to Stock Up Podarium for longer and with higher chance of Mutated Plants..

Ah and I see that Johnny had answered the last question about skins

[fair temple]

Oee thats a nice difference from other assets! Thanks a lot for the quick reply ❤️

[timber glacier]

Will the region of land have any impact on dyes (type, rarity, amounts, etc.) or will it only be influenced by the Podarium stock?
For example, will you get more water dyes from regions that have a high water affinity?

[amber atlas]

I don't think that was planned but it is a very nice idea.

[high sleet]

Hey this is awesome @grizzled jay and @amber atlas

I wanted to clarify 2 final points.

1. you can no longer gain credits from removing plants yes? Will there be other ways or its purely microtransactions now? (idc either way)
2. to be clear, only 'water dyes' can be used with an Atlas suit, and it will then produce 1 of 3 variants or whatever it might be. Like a 'smexy Atlas Suit'

[high sleet]

Yesss please, give a % modifier on top, eg with the 70 and 30 example. Your brightland steppes has a detault 30 nature and 20 air added in. So if you were to add 100 fire you could dilute it over time, but really you are stil more likely to get the more natural substances of that region

[amber atlas]

Goals/Tutorials will also be able to award credits.

[upbeat drift]

Lands in different zones give specific blueprints?i mean we find specific animals?

Or we find same animals in all zones?when we scan

[amber atlas]

You scan for BioData and the Illuvials you are able to scan are associated with the region. There is always a chance to find a wandering 'cross-region' illuvial, but it is very low.

[upbeat drift]

K

[safe crater]

When did the Version of illuvium zero start where you can farm blueprints? Not Sure if I need to play any further to get mine. Got all 18 or how many existence back then 2-3 months ago. Anything else I can do for rewards? :)

[radiant sky]

no, it's just the 15 blueprints for s1 so far, make sure you also built a ZeroPointTransducer.
However, there might be additional rewards added for season 1.
At least there were proposals from Johnny, which is now up to the team + council to either give a go or say nah fuck it too much work.

[safe crater]

Appreciate you fam

Why the zeropointtransducer?

[high sleet]

How does the dice roll actually work, for example shardbluff has a serious fire/earth bias.

If you had every single blueprint, fact and such for fire and earth. Is the dice roll '10%' chance to find an Illuvial, then it goes to a region table. Meaning water odds get increased significantly?

Or does your chance to find an Illuvial diminish overall since you have removed many of the reasons it would be a successful scan?

[amber atlas]

Very roughly you either get: Nothing, Standard Discovery or Cross Region Discovery (first 'roll')
A discovery can either result in a Fact or BioData. (second 'roll')
Importantly even if you have every standard discovery (i.e. all Facts and BioData that belong to your region) it won't increase your chances of a cross region discovery, they are always rare.

[tardy falcon]

Zero needs some lovin… hope it goes through

[placid finch]

hi guys i came after a long time any news about the beta starting?

[marsh sage]

It's a building that is going to be used for the actual minting of the blueprints in-game after launch. The functionality will be turned on for this Season 0 as well

[high sleet]

You explained that well thank you, thats what I was wondering 🙂

[tall crypt]

there is a bug. I think sometimes they make updates and your land is left empty. If you wait a while without doing anything, the earth will appear with everything you built, as if nothing had happened. But if you start building while it is empty, it will no longer be as good as before and you will have to build from scratch.

[safe crater]

Thank you

[willow torrent]

For the changes in plants/dyes etc. Are these fixed to lands or wallets? This will have a definitive implication on multiland owner strategy

[upbeat drift]

so crystal shores are the best for finding diverse animals when scanning,no?

[radiant sky]

yes, if nothing has changed.
It's pretty old info, but never got denied by the team

[tulip perch]

there is something special about crystal shores the boss tweat abaout it Moons ago nobdoy noticed ecept me 😉

ani is in the hosue

[tulip perch]

they must have put you through corporate meditating class's

I took great pleasure in banging on the windows of those meditating in the corporate carpark

[high sleet]

Lol what?? I did all my meditation in high school, haven't done any in my 9 to 5

[upbeat drift]

I have some T1 at good offers if anyone interested

[empty path]

Please use #🛒〕land-dex

[grizzled jay]

Hey there, sure thing

1. That is correct, you will no longer be receiving credits from plants. Instead there will be Main Goals that will reward you Credits.
2. Yes, that's right. As a water-affinity Illuvial Atlas needs water-affinity dyes in order to create a skin variant

[high sleet]

Thank you good ser

[willow torrent]

are these dyes/blueprints/armor/weapons shared between all lands on a wallet (if there are multiple) or are they fixed to the land only?

[fathom thunder]

Finally got all of the 135 blueprints on my 3x3 megacity. Knowing it will all be erased is making me feel slightly nautious.

[willow torrent]

mood

[fair temple]

Gratz dude, thats 135 blueprints in the bag! The fun lies in building up your plots no? And next time it'll go quicker as the resources are shared between all your plots.

[radiant sky]

and you can transport ress between the plots
and you have multiple builders
and you could buy some coins for early/mid game
and megacities feature is implemented
and maybe podarium is already implemented

lots of stuff coming which make early game way easier especially for low tiers

[fair temple]

Ah i expected the megacities to be implemented in my response. those other features are also neat.

But you miss out on speedups from plants ^^

[radiant sky]

sure, but you get ress, and you still get coins from achievements and you could buy as many coins as you like

[fair temple]

True true

So all in all, everything will be better. Lets go IZ

[radiant sky]

we shall see 🙂
still lot of stuff which hasn't got shared yet.

• Path changes
• Efficiency changes
• Output of fuel between different tiers
• droprates of scanner + matlab
• holostatue + fact changes
• and probably some stuff i don't think about right now 😄

[analog marten]

can we mint our blue prints yet?

[empty path]

No, probably end of December

[analog marten]

long wait lol

[fickle goblet]

Has anyone yet theorycrafted on blueprint prices?

[empty path]

pennies

[oak ruin]

hey guys, anyone here crunched some hard numbers for us? is it really the best way to produce fuel to just build tons of converters side by side, not even caring about efficiency? (i am asking because i think that is not how it should be to develop optimal production, right?)

[radiant sky]

depends on the tier and what changes are coming for open beta.

[oak ruin]

Well, I got some T2, one T3 and a T4 (megacity)

[radiant sky]

then most likely won't be a good choice to spam 50% converters.
but who knows what is going to be changed 🙂

[fickle goblet]

Plz share computation

[grizzled jay]

All those items are indeed shared and not tied to a land.

[grave tinsel]

Maybe we can get coins based on the amount of time spent in Alpha?

[plucky summit]

Mint?

[radiant sky]

not yet

[opaque kiln]

I have a power station 'bay' with 8 stations in one place.. Once the converter has finished, just move it to this bay, the effiencey increases from 50% to 150% (in T1). Then move the converter back (it may fall back to 50%, doesn't matter. What matters is the % just before you click to extract it.

[vivid cipher]

Just want to make sure you’ve seen this. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[ancient nacelle]

This really isn't fair. For those that don't follow discord and read every message, this would be new info.

[vivid cipher]

Which part is unfair? That using code to hack the game is cheating?

[ancient nacelle]

No, I'm no hacker. Just played the game as the rules appear within the game.

[vivid cipher]

Or spoofing system time?

[vivid cipher]

I don’t think the post says it’s an actual problem then.

[ancient nacelle]

I have only moved the extractors and scanners when ready to harvest.

[vivid cipher]

I did for few days too

Not worried about being frowned at.

[ancient nacelle]

If I can't mint as a result of moving buildings at harvest time, it will mean this last 5 months was a complete waste of time.

[vivid cipher]

Ok. Good thing the team does not intend to punish anything minor.

[tardy falcon]

Sooooo... zero strategies...

t1/t2 - spam fuel converters
t3/t4 - hybrid... spam & efficient fuel converters

or upper tiers better no spam?

will balance change dramatically for ob?

[golden dust]

Good morning guys!

I'm really happy to be here!
I've been following illuvium since it came out but unfortunately I never managed to get into this fantastic project.

this week after years, I FINALLY got in.

I hope to bring my contribution to this community.

May I ask what the amount of ILV is to access the beta?

thank you very much to anyone who answers me 🤝

[vivid cipher]

So there are a few different games in testing still. (See below)
There will never be any need to have ILV to gain access to any games.

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Games

Illuvium is a revolutionary series of games and the world's first Interoperable Blockchain Game universe. Built on the Ethereum blockchain, it offers a unique combination of open-world exploration, creature collection, city-building, auto-battling, and collection card game. Join the adventure to aid your stranded crew by exploring seven epic alien landscapes, conquering a shattered planet, and uncovering the mysteries behind the cataclysmic events that shaped this world.

Illuvium: Overworld

In Overworld, capture Illuvials, mine resources, harvest exotic plants, and help your crash-landed crew thrive. This is our open-world exploration and creature collection game.

Illuvium: Arena

In Arena, create your ultimate team, engage in standardized PvP battles in Ascendant Mode, or survive against predefined waves in Survival Mode in this auto-battler game.

Illuvium: Zero

In Zero, build, upgrade, and manage your digital industrial complex. Extract resources, discover biodata, and create blueprints in this city-building game.

Illuvium: Beyond

In Beyond, compete to collect the most powerful Illuvitars, based on the in-game characters Illuvials, and curate the ultimate Illuvitars Album. This collection card game offers an interactive, competitive, and personal experience for collectors.

[vivid cipher]

For access to #🎮〕illuvium-zero you need to own Land. Land can be purchased on the IlluviDex #🔗〕helpful-links

⤵️

[lethal wyvern]

How long is the alpha testing for Illuvium: Zero expected to last?

Illuvium: Zero's alpha testing is divided into two seasons, and Season 0 has already come to a close. At the end of this season, all data, including blueprints, were wiped and reset. The main purpose of Season 0 was for the development team to address bugs and balance issues, while also ensuring a clean slate before transitioning to Season 1.

Currently, we're in the midst of Season 1, which began on May 25th, 2023. Season 1 will continue until we reach the open beta stage. At the end of this season, there will be another data reset. However, here's some exciting news for you: during the last few months of Season 1, players will have the opportunity to mint the blueprints they've researched as NFTs (Non-Fungible Tokens). These minted NFTs will persist beyond the alpha reset, and you'll be able to use them to craft skins in the Illuvium: Overworld once we reach the Open Beta phase.

As we approach the open beta stage, we'll provide more detailed information about the minting window.

[vivid cipher]

It’s good to note that all DMs about access or support are going to be scams. Be safe.

[opaque kiln]

Yo. It's says 'scanners', I am talking about converters. You can't boost scanner above 100% in any case.

[opaque kiln]

🤣🤣🤣🤣
My land my rules.
Stop frowning upon and
design the game better 😃

[golden dust]

hi!! thank you very much mate ❤️

[radiant sky]

I have no clue what you are talking about😅
The Post you answered leads me to a "you shouldn't have multiple instances of the game opened AT the Same time"

[opaque kiln]

🤔oh dear. No I was talking about improving the efficiency of extractors 🤣.. oops . Converters

[radiant sky]

Yea i got that out of your reply 😂

[opaque kiln]

Is it a Zero sum game, btw 🤔

[radiant sky]

Is this a dad joke, cause we are in the Zero Chanel?

[opaque kiln]

The irony is It's actually a non-zero sum game 🤣 (one players gain is not another players loss)

[polar cosmos]

https://immutascan.io/address/0x932a44c5393a58512be407f335431e1d16ce6500?chartTab=TradeVolume&tab=0

Can someone explain where this volume came from yesterday?

wtf

I am once again losing trust in immutable

[timber glacier]

looks like an error in the chart

311 trades, but recent trades show only 3 for the time period

[polar cosmos]

it is shown by general statistics, not just the chart...

[timber glacier]

Isn't a chart just a graphical representation of the statistics?
But anyway, what I was saying. The value used for the chart is 311 trades, which looks like an error, as there's not 311 trades in the actual data.

[polar cosmos]

for me this is a critical error, how they can present some artificial volume in our statistics and charts? they will say: ohh, its an error, sory?

[mortal umbra]

Hello, any idea for how much was the tier 5 land sold?

[dry mango]

The T5's have not been sold yet

[vivid cipher]

Seatin mentioned that there was a major sweep yesterday. There was also a major purchase of ILV. The two could be connected.

But I see what you mean. The actual transactions don’t add up to 311.

I’ll open a ticket about it on the immutable x discord.

[vivid cipher]

The response…

Thank you for your patience, for pointing this out, and for reporting this error. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

It seems that there may be a display error on the Immutascan's side. Our team will be contacting the Immutascan team to address and resolve this issue.😊

That being said, is there anything else I can help you with?

[polar cosmos]

fair enough

[oak ruin]

I don't think that's the gameplay we want to have in ILVZ. that is just annoying as hell!

[blazing swallow]

jumpin back in to zero since launch

much change?

[radiant sky]

That won't be working anymore once open Beta launches

[opaque kiln]

'we'...😸😸😸😸

[pure fable]

what does 'moving scanner' mean?
what do I get from it?!

[nova epoch]

He moves the scanner to increase its efficiency (where no other buildings are around) and then checks scanning results

[willow torrent]

Knowing what we know now. If the T5s were put up for auction. This would have not gone well IMO. We have been holding land for a long time now and are only nearly seeing the fruit of this. The features of a T5 - mainly the arena/stadium wouldnt see any functional value for even longer because the games weren't even close

[sharp elk]

I assume things like that will no longer work once we get to Open Beta.

[tardy falcon]

Can this be confirmed? Will scanners/exctractors/converters output at the efficiency the structure is moved to and reward accepted from when we are in OB? In other words, will that be changed/removed? @spring mist

[vivid cipher]

That will be changed.

[radiant sky]

yea, got confirmed from johnny a while ago, that this wouldn't work anymore in open beta

[tardy falcon]

Got it. thx... cross that off as a strategy then.

[radiant sky]

i would ^^
haven't been shared on how they do it tho

[tall crypt]

RECURRENT BUG: Where is the ticket of menu?

[empty path]

[little moon]

[fickle goblet]

Seeing that, end game ilv:z looks like a mess. The mixture of buildings isn't like a rich/dense simcity but just monotonous. On the other hand you can't not make use of every square available so...

[empty path]

That's not what it should look like 🙂

[iron veldt]

They need just to nerf passive income of converters and all is fine

maybe change it into no passive income

[empty path]

I'm quite confident they will make it so building like he did in that last screenshot will not work

[timber glacier]

as far as we know, in beta the game will account for fractions of fuel, so if you build it like that you're effectively only going to get 50% of what you're currently getting

basically, low-level converters on low% are going to be a lot worse

even endgame builds will only be half as efficient compared to the current version

then there's the unknown changes to power stations that'll affect the builds going high%, so who knows what the actual game will look like

[timber glacier]

Doing that would cut fuel production by 80-90%.
That's not fine if the goal is to use fuel across the other games.

[opaque kiln]

Maybe we can add a floor above it and cover it all up, anyhow it looks like basement int'it 😉

[iron veldt]

They can delete the passive income and just lower the fuel price and all gucci

[opaque kiln]

Extractor -- cannot be moved.
Scanner -- efficiency doesn't go above 100% whatever you do.
Converters, yes that's a different story.

[timber glacier]

Why do you feel the passive income is a problem?

[iron veldt]

Because in my opinion lands shouldn’t look like that - and even when nerfed, they will still look like this

[opaque kiln]

What's 'passive income'?

[timber glacier]

Then don't build your lands like that. There are other setups that work just as good.
Why care about how others build?

[iron veldt]

the other point is that it nerfs high end lands

[timber glacier]

Converters give you a set amount of fuel every 1-2 days for free (depending on it's efficiency% and level)

[opaque kiln]

Oh.. passive generation.. got it..👍

[opaque kiln]

Good things come out of orderly structures..
Best things come out of the chaotic ones..🤣

[timber glacier]

No, it doesn't.
They get the same boosted amount from passives as they get from active production.

[iron veldt]

Wasn’t there a calculation that 8 t1 lands are equal to one t4?

That is a nerf in my opinion

[opaque kiln]

Nope. Except for fuel/element sites you get the same space to do same things.

[timber glacier]

don't recall seeing that

[timber glacier]

Technically you get less space on higher tiers due to having more mines.
But you also require less space for storage, so you actually get more space on higher tiers.

It probably evens out in the long run, so yeah, you have virtually the same space

[opaque kiln]

What I mean is, in lower tiers you would need to put extra converters to makeup for fewer element/fuel sites. In higher tiers that is covered by additional element/fuel sites. So you would need fewer converters.

[timber glacier]

Ah, yes. Mines are also smaller than converters, so you even save space by not having to place many large buildings as well.

[timber glacier]

Converter passives has been in the game design from the start, and has remained unchanged since the initial version.
Nerfing something means changing it for the worse.
No changes have been made so how can you define that as a nerf?

[iron veldt]

When you compare the prices of different tiers, it’s definitely a nerf. But that is my opinion, you can have a different one. Okay for me

[opaque kiln]

The amount of element/fuel generated passively is quite small, I don't think it makes such a huge difference.

[timber glacier]

That's based on the assumption that that because the initial price was 40x for a T4 compared to a T1, then fuel production must also be 40x.
Which is flawed. Other factors affect prices as well.
There's been several discussions about this previously and it usually ends in the same spot. The team is trying to balance the end product to reflect the initial sale price ratios, but fuel production isn't the only factor.

[iron veldt]

Still fuel is a big factor as we all know

[timber glacier]

Most recent discussion about it I could find:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[timber glacier]

Yes, since it's one of the main products you can sell.

[opaque kiln]

The converter efficiency cannot go above 150% in T1. What about higher tiers 😃

[timber glacier]

You can get to 175% on a T4 with the landmark matching the fuel.
These stack on megacities (25% for each) so depending on the plots you could possibly get higher.

[opaque kiln]

So you got something to balance out. May be limiting extractor/converter efficiency to 100% in all tiers would 'normalize' it all 😃

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

[timber glacier]

There are many ways they could do it should they feel the need to do so.
For example, having a limit on the number of converters (say 5-10 of any single type) would change the endgame setups without slowing down the early game for lower tiers, and skew the ratios in favor for higher tiers more.
However that would cause less total fuel to be produced, which might require rebalancing of fuel costs for the other games, or force higher prices, allowing fewer players to play etc.

It all depends on how much redesigning the team wants to do.

And we still haven't seen all the new changes that are coming in the beta, so this could all turn out to be a moot discussion.

We'll see soon enough.

[opaque kiln]

Better it be sooner 😃

[timber glacier]

Now I'm curious if tier bonuses apply to the Podarium...

@radiant sky did you ask about that one?👆

[radiant sky]

how?

like, couldn't even came to my mind

[timber glacier]

amounts, mainly

[radiant sky]

its more of the nft (not fuel line) if it comes to podarium, so i don't think so.
but haven't asked specifically

[timber glacier]

like would a T4 get +300% amount of dyes when harvesting?

[opaque kiln]

Is that you Dr 'frowning upon' the smarter ones 🤣🤣🤣

[timber glacier]

I didn't think of it until now

[radiant sky]

jo im a dr. you just a mage... who you call smarter here

[opaque kiln]

You got a point there 🤔

[radiant sky]

idk, haven't slept much, but if you lower efficiency you just make spamming scanners more likely, because the penalty for spamming is lowered.

[opaque kiln]

Yo. The whole discussion is about 'fuel' . NOT scanners..🫣

[timber glacier]

Dr. in what exactly?

[radiant sky]

yes

[radiant sky]

flux capacitor engineering 🙂

[opaque kiln]

So you can't frown upon a not-smarter land owner from using his resources smartly...🤣🤣🤣

[timber glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-fuel-i-need-gas-i-need-energy-i-need-power-source-christopher-lloyd-gif-16489517

[opaque kiln]

Err... Then it should be 'Er' not 'Dr'

[fickle goblet]

You mean for optimization? If so, yup definitely that's far from the best layout but you'd instead just spam power plants

[radiant sky]

Not if it comes to flux capacitors

[radiant sky]

Which could get even worse 😂

[fickle goblet]

Eager to see the pathing mechanic changes, let some of the areas breathe a bit. From my experiments before with illuvitect it's really better to fill up each square. Some areas won't due to irregularity of building shapes but it's not good if the end game challenge is a huge part tetris

[radiant sky]

I feel that's not going to Change, as Long as 1 square = x amount of $

[opaque kiln]

It gets worser and worserer before it gets better and betterer 😎

[fickle goblet]

On the bright side (or not) a clickfest is more straightforward to maximize for a bot

[radiant sky]

Obviously, but clicking Part gets reduced massively.

• Change of lvl up Pop up
• Auto Start production when harvesting

But yea, it's still much. Like conversions, matlabs, maybe podarium you most likely still have to do all the clicks

Big questionmark to me is, how they will punish botting

[fickle goblet]

It's pretty insane that by the time the game launches the latest open source vision-aware ai model I believe would be smart enough to play this game autonomously, and reducing the need for a "scholarship" model for those that will work for this solution

[radiant sky]

And they just get more and better

[fickle goblet]

Not that you couldn't do it before this ai wave, but the barrier is definitely lower now and I suspect these things will get shared around and solve the game early, making ILV:Z more of a defi yield farm

[tall crypt]

for colect pasive fuel not affect for the eficently.

[timber glacier]

Could you rephrase that? Not sure what you're trying to say.

[tall crypt]

1 fuel every 2 days.

[tardy falcon]

So if I understand correctly... Zero land plot owners will begin developing their lands and building up fuel before OB launch. That right?

[timber glacier]

That's the plan

The aim is for it to be at least 4 weeks in advance I think. But we'll see.

[tardy falcon]

By 4 weeks or so?

Ahh ok ok... is there an idea of what the top guardrail price is yet?

[timber glacier]

Yes, but that info screen does not account for the boost from efficiency or the tier bonus. Which both apply.

[timber glacier]

No, there's been no info on either prices on fuel or the fuel costs in overworld yet.

[tardy falcon]

ok cool

[tardy falcon]

passive isn't affected by efficiency

[timber glacier]

It most definetly is. I get 4 fuel off a lv5 Converter daily with 150% efficiency and T2 bonus.
Without bonuses it'd only give 2.

Also, lv1 converter passives is 1 every 2 days, but with 150% you get 2 each time due to rounding.

[tardy falcon]

wait... so his 50% level 2 spam converters are actually producing 1/2? aka .5 but rounded up to 1 every 2 days??

[timber glacier]

yes

it won't work like that in open beta though

[tardy falcon]

right... so fractional fuel will be a thing

[timber glacier]

sort of

he would be producing 0,5, which would then be given a random value of either 0 (50% chance) or 1 (50% chance)

[tardy falcon]

.5 will be .5

[timber glacier]

basically the fraction is your chance of getting a higher number

if you produce 2.3 fuel you'll get 2 fuel 70% of the time and 3 fuel 30% of the time

[tardy falcon]

wdym?

[timber glacier]

you won't actually get fractions of fuel

but the fractions gives you a chance of getting 1 more than your guaranteed production

So that 2.3 above, you're guaranteed 2 fuel and a 30% chance of 1 extra

[tardy falcon]

It’s essentially an average and close to actual production

[timber glacier]

Yeah, statistically you'll get exactly what you produce over a large sample

some fractions round down, some up, but in the end you'll get that 2.3 every day on average

[tardy falcon]

Cool… going to have to run new numbers now 😝

When next zero update coming?

[timber glacier]

Unless the plans for that has changed, can't find the post where Johnny explained it...

Only thing I do find is that beta will count fractional fuel (but only allow collection on whole numbers)

[timber glacier]

We don't know yet.
We do know that the plan is for Blueprint minting to happen before christmas (according to the top post in pins).

[tardy falcon]

Sounds like the changes will discourage spam converters (no moving converters to better efficiency and more accurate production per efficiency)… essentially requiring a smaller range of build possibilities.

[tardy falcon]

Cool… soonish then

[timber glacier]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

There it is (fuel calculations)

[timber glacier]

Hopefully 🤞

[tardy falcon]

Sounds like power stations are going to be nerfed... is that true?

Makes it a little difficult to optimize lands currently in or near end state to prepare for OB cuz there will be many changes to balancing... Hope we get an update with the changes before ppl need to scramble.

My idea was to have an ideal end state set up... take a snapshot... then work towards that after wipe

[timber glacier]

There was mention that those were going to be changed in some way, but we got no details so far

[radiant sky]

johnny mentioned once that they consider an option to make converters influence each other more, which i guess would equall in spamming more powerstations.

[tall crypt]

You must make an effort to understand. This is the last time I explain it to you. Everyone knows what you say. I start again:
1.- it is possible to convert solon to crypton, for example, 1 to 2 but if the efficiency is 50% it will only produce 1. We all know that.
2.- By simply having a converter, regardless of its level of efficiency, it passively produces 1 crypton every 2 days.
Well, in the final construction process on earth the efficiency drops to 50%, but it does not affect because the purpose of building converters is to produce unconverted fuel, that is, passively that is not influenced by efficiency.

[tall crypt]

It speculating: 0'01$ / combustible

[timber glacier]

1. Yes, that is exactly how it works. (And yes, we all know that).
2. No. This is wrong. Passively generated fuel is affected by efficiency.

The only difference is that the efficiency calculation is done at the time the fuel is added to the passive storage. Not when you click to collect it.

[tall crypt]

It could be true, but I prefer to leave the converters tightly packed instead of leaving spaces unbuilt for greater efficiency. I currently have 160 converters at 50%, which is like having 80 at 100%. 80 units of fuel every day... 0'8$/day is so good.

[clever comet]

but in open beta it's suppose to be 25%?

[tall crypt]

why?

[timber glacier]

Yes, that's because the game currently rounds fractions. 0.5 fuel becomes 1 fuel.

That same setup on open beta will only produce half the amount as it will calculate fractions without rounding. (You'd get 0.5 fuel every 2 days, but won't be able to collect until 4 days have passed and 1 whole fuel has been produced).

[clever comet]

i don't know sure, just i asked, because if i remember, that was the plan

i am not sure...

[timber glacier]

It was 25% in the earlier seasons, but was changed to 50% so it wouldn't round down to produce 0 fuel.
It might be changed back to 25%, but I don't know if that's been decided or not.

[tall crypt]

Still, it's better to have 160 converters at 50% than 10 at 150%. The converters can be leveled up. At level 3 it produces 1 fuel/day. At level 6 3fuel/day.

[radiant sky]

you forgot that you can acitive convert if you push to 150% which gives you another+3 fuel per converter a day.

[clever comet]

this strategy i think will works for tier 1, with 50%...

[radiant sky]

a fuel converter on 150% and on max lvl equals 7.5 fuel per day... so his 160 lvl 1 converters are equal to arround 11 max converters on 150% which easely fit on the map, for now...
like i have 20 converter on a mixed t4, i gues on a t1 you could fit arround 26 max converters at least.... that would equal almost 200 fuel a day

[timber glacier]

Depending on what changes are coming to Power and Paths, either setup could still work and produce similar amounts. Just different numbers of clicks.

[clever comet]

yes, will see, I think, in time, will have many changes, and improvements :d

[tall crypt]

Despite this, 160 converters are still better. What you earn by converting is a pittance with respect to what you earn by putting in 160 converters. It's a matter of perfectionism, perfect people will want to have the best and the most beautiful plot. Those who want to obtain maximum efficiency will demolish tanks and power stations to flood it with converters.

[radiant sky]

if you max them out, i gues you get pretty close, but definetly not on lvl1 🙂

[timber glacier]

Don't forget the time needed to max out 160 of them vs. just 26...

[clever comet]

and the cost

[timber glacier]

8480 fuel for x160, going to take a while

[radiant sky]

10'080h 😄

[timber glacier]

compare that to 22 maxed ones with max efficiency (same-ish output), only costing 1166 fuel

[clever comet]

about POwer station, i understood that we can upgrade? because now all my land is full with power station. :))

i have 115 PS

[tall crypt]

Change power station for converters

[radiant sky]

as i said i have 20converter on a mixed plot between 150% and 175%

i could recycle 2 scanner areas and 26 matlabs and easely fit like 5-7 more in

[clever comet]

i think it's better to have efficiency at 150% and 140%

[radiant sky]

thats 420 days... coincidence?

[timber glacier]

I'd prefer going high efficiency over low, simply because it requires less clicking. (Assuming the amounts are similar).

[clever comet]

i want to buy a tier 2 to test this stategy, but somebody increase the price :))

[tall crypt]

Ja, build and accelerate +build+accelerate.......as many as you have energy, in 1h they are built

[radiant sky]

you better of probably with building on 150% efficiency and buy some more plots for that amount of additional coins needed.
But that's just a guess, idk how much they will cost.

[clever comet]

but i understand the plants will give recourses in open beta

[radiant sky]

yes, in the Podarium draft, they speak about elements. So i gues you either get silicon, carbon or hydrogen, or all of it maybe if the plant is on max lvl.

[tardy falcon]

Since we don't know how power stations will be changed... it's possible there will be less 150% efficient converters able to be made. We are in limbo until more detailed info comes out.

I like the spam converter strat cuz it looks cleaner and currently produces more fuel on t1. I do a mix on t3/t4.
But all this will prob change for ob. If we are going to be the fuel providers it would be best to know details sooner rather than later so we can get things rolling asap for ob.

[timber glacier]

Yeah, it would be nice to know.
But I'm pretty sure it'll be quick to figure out how much builds will be affected and what strategy to go for as soon as the patch notes for ob are published.

[clever comet]

for illuvium zero will be also a story?

[timber glacier]

There will be some sort of questline that awards speedup tokens. Not sure how much story it'll contain though (if any).

[rotund forum]

Hi. Is there still no news on cost of extra worker or credits?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[rotund forum]

yes there is news or no there is no news? 😅

[radiant sky]

Yes, there is no news 😄

[rotund forum]

crap 😂

[fathom thunder]

lol this definitely warrants a limit on number of converters per plot

[sharp elk]

Yeah. If this is the optimal play, then the devs have screwed up.

[pearl marten]

Do you use/have paths? I'm guessing not but still was curious to find out

[radiant sky]

yes i do have paths.
with info provided i will most likely go with 1 side path for all productive buildings

[tall crypt]

No can put 200 buildings with converters. Limit is NEXUDS

[pearl marten]

wow - can't imagine how you fit all of those on a T4 and with almost max efficiency
i must admit i haven't maxed out any plot to see how much stuff could go on it just because i like my scanners to be 90%+ efficiency - but still having more than 3-4 scanners on a plot i can't see where i could place 20 fuel converters WITH paths and power stations 🙂

[radiant sky]

it's not even fully optimized, because i will go full fuel anyways, so the layout will change again in open beta. 😄
like there are many buildings with more than 1 side path and a weird powerstation accumulation point.

[pearl marten]

So no scanners on the T4 i guess (and all implied buildings for BPs)
Makes sense - i'm thinking of going full fuel also on a T3 and use several T2s for BPs and some fuel output

[coarse wave]

soliddd

[opaque kiln]

That's brilliant 👍

[radiant sky]

i most likely go full fuel on all plots, except maybe 1 or 2 T1 to play the BP lottery.
But that might changes with changes incoming, or possible new features.

[opaque kiln]

Are there only 2 scanners 🤔

[pearl marten]

Wow - you're going to move the Solon market by yourself 😄
Very nice layout!

[radiant sky]

yea, i just let it like that because maybe there are some new incentives to play incoming. So i could start immediately and can build up some more scanners pretty fast.

[pearl marten]

Oh i see now what i missed by not building out my plot entirely - once you get high level you can remove the element converters (that is if you have all types of element deposits) and that is a lot of space for fuel converters i guess
Don't know if it's sustainable but roughly i think 2 max lvl mines can sustain ~4max level fuel extractors

Very glad now that i took 2-2-2 in terms of elements for my T2s 😄

[radiant sky]

yea totally, i mean you don't need elements at all in the endgame if you go fuel full

[radiant sky]

some few for the extractors, but these are like suuuper low in need

[radiant sky]

yea, thats very neat. i guess you wouldn't even need converters if you would go full BP production.

like you can fire up 34 scanners and 34 matlabs with those extractors in the endgame

[pearl marten]

Not sure i could squeeze 34 90%+ efficiency scanners but i'm going to try to get as many as i can for sure

[radiant sky]

haha sure, was just meant to be a calculation example

i guess 9ish are max if you wana have high efficiency and still build mass matlabs

probably -1 for the podarium, because if you go full on bp, why not also implement dye's

[pearl marten]

i did build 7 with ~95% on a T2 i don't own anymore - but roughly around that nr yep

[radiant sky]

yea, i just looked at my t1 layout which has pretty good site distribution locations. There are 8 x 100% on it...
Probably would have to destroy 1 to build more matlabs and another 1 for a podarium.

[green cedar]

Heya guys i just bought a tier 2 land - any1 knows where i submit ownership so a mod can give me access to overworld beta?

[empty path]

#🎫〕verify-asset

[green cedar]

thanks for the fast response!

[green cedar]

ok got the roles! then i guess i open a ticket right?

[empty path]

#1075137668821823628

😉

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

Probably some are still viable

[green cedar]

YES! The one before the last was viable 🙂 THANKS MATE!

[random cobalt]

How many active guilds are in the community now?

[radiant sky]

i guess you will find most in #899655780033261639

[tardy falcon]

Level 9 nexus allows 200 buildings… what’s the prob? Different strokes for different folks

Anything optimal rn is gonna shift when the inevitable balance comes.

[sharp elk]

You can’t see the problem?

When optimal land positioning is: ignore any considerations about position and just fill the screen with back to back rows of buildings, that means that element of the game isn’t working.

[tardy falcon]

I see people creatively figuring out optimal use of lands in different ways. That’s what this beta is all about…. Letting people play and explore.

There are def some hacks currently that let people game production that will change. But even after the rebalance ppl will continue to look for creative ways to get the most out of their lands. Usually those ways are non traditional.

[sharp elk]

You seem to be misunderstanding the point.

I said if that is optimal play then the ‘devs have screwed up’. Probably not worded the best, but the point being that there is something that needs to be improved with the game design.

I never said anything about the players. They are just reacting to the current game design to find out what is optimal.

[tardy falcon]

Hence rebalance… but I got u

[sharp elk]

Yep. 🙂

[random cobalt]

Ahhh I see. Is phantom ilv only?

[radiant sky]

it's still building, but i guess most likely it will be ILV only, yes

[compact copper]

Hello all. IS there a date concernant the end of Season and possibility to mint?

[polar cosmos]

nope, propably in 2-3 months ; )

[timber glacier]

No actual date, but an estimate:

[crystal flame]

Is it profitable to buy land now?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

[vivid cipher]

Lands are not producing fuel tokens at the moment. Since the overworld is not launched in open beta yet. Nor is there a date for launch (besides q1 2024). So there’s not yet anywhere to spend the fuel that the lands will produce.

[amber rune]

ive been away team - have we been able to mint the blueprints yet? how far behind am I/

?

[empty path]

No, probably around Christmas

[amber rune]

ok cool! So still a waiting game them - I maxed all the avaialble blueprints for this release.

[amber atlas]

Hey Folks,

so it seems I misread the **Plants **and **Dyes **documentation.

The Skinned Variant terminology was new to me, and I took it to mean a variation on an already Skinned Item, something that had been discussed in the past, but this was incorrect. The intent is that Dyes are an **Ingredient **required to make a Skinned Item not to vary it.

Total customisation of skins is not really in line with the AAA art vision, but there is a silver lining: if you require Dye to make Skinned Items then it ties the Skinned Item production pipeline even more to Illuvium Zero.

In any case I'm sorry for this mistake, but hope you are happy with the clarification and direction!

-Johnny

[stoic vine]

Is there any benefit to upgrade scanners ?

[timber glacier]

Not in the current version.
But in the next one it'll unlock the chance to find higher tier illuvials.

[stoic vine]

Thanks @timber glacier

[pearl marten]

Mornin`
So basically a Skinned Item is when i'm trying to apply a skin to an item and NOT when i'm crafting the skin/item itself right?

[radiant sky]

Seems i misread it too 😄
Thanks for clarification.

[radiant sky]

As far as i know:

• Item + skin + solon --> craft craft craft = skinned item
• Blueprint + ingrediants + solon -->craft craft craft = skin
• Ingrediants + solon --> craft craft craft = item

[pearl marten]

Item + skin + solon + Dye = skinned item right?

[radiant sky]

No, the dye is an ingrediant needed for every skin it seems

Hmmm

[pearl marten]

Nope ... i don't think so - quote from Johnny's message ''The intent is that Dyes are an Ingredient required to make a Skinned Item not to vary it.'

[radiant sky]

Maybe i'm wrong

[pearl marten]

So the Dye is NOT an ingredient for crafting the skin but basically for applying the skin to an item - that is why i asked for clarifications 🙂

[radiant sky]

Yes you are right

[pearl marten]

Yep this is what we knew and is correct up until Dyes ... the only thing changing is the addition of another ingredient (Dye) when trying to apply a skin to an item
But let's wait on Johnny to see if we got it right 🙂

[radiant sky]

I wonder if dye's are also bound to sets.
Like with every new set of illuvials, is there also a new set of dye's?

[timber glacier]

I find this more confusing than clarifying...

The way I read it is that you need:

1. The item and the blueprint (plus misc resources) to make a skinned item.
2. The item and the blueprint (plus misc resources) and the Dye to make a variant skinned item.

Am I mistaken or is that what you meant?

[timber glacier]

I wonder, will there be composite dyes too? Or just the basic affinities.

[radiant sky]

I guess the confusing part is the word variant
They basically just added an additional ingrediant in the skinned item creating process.
I think the process of torrex is right.
You have a skin + item and to forge them to a skinned item, you now also need dye's

[timber glacier]

but you could opt not to dye and go for the default skin, no?

[opaque kiln]

Isn't it by 'this side' of Christmas. Since it is not explicitly mentioned 'this christmas', technically it is any date in the future 😎

[radiant sky]

I hope there will be composites. Took it for granted, but know you say it... 🤔

[timber glacier]

could just be that composite skins require multiple dye types

[radiant sky]

I don't think so.
He used the Word "required"

[radiant sky]

That would be nice 🙂

[opaque kiln]

Hi, What is this dye and where do you get. I got my first biodata yesterday, I guess I will be prepared for all outcomes 😎.

[timber glacier]

In addition

not required

in the document at least

however should you choose to dye, a specific affinity on the dye is required

[timber glacier]

but it must be done as a part of crafting the skin
not dyed afterwards
think that might be what he was getting at

similar to not being able to rebind accessories in beyond after you've bound once

[opaque kiln]

Ahh.. 'skinned' ? Doesn't it mean removing the skin 🤔, like a skinned chicken..😃

[timber glacier]

more like the other way
putting a custom skin on top of something

[radiant sky]

I think you are right @timber glacier

DmitriyR was talking about a default variant.

[opaque kiln]

Oh dear, English is really complicated 🫣

[timber glacier]

You don't say?

[random cobalt]

Do we know where the credits/ extra builders will come from yet?

[radiant sky]

So crafting processes look like this ?

• Ingrediants + solon = item
• Blueprint + ingrediants + solon = skin
• Item + skin + solon = skinned item (default variant)
• Item + skin + solon + dye = skinned item variant

[pearl marten]

But again guys - quoting Johnny 'The Skinned Variant terminology was new to me, and I took it to mean a variation on an already Skinned Item, something that had been discussed in the past, but this was incorrect. ' and also 'Total customisation of skins is not really in line with the AAA art vision'
So we aren't able to produce variations as we please right?

So adding the Dye doesn't result in a variation of a skinned item 😄

[opaque kiln]

I guess the right words would be: 'It possibly may look like this 😎 though the probability is not certain'

[radiant sky]

with total customisation he meant like you can create your own personal skin, like you draw something and make a skin out of it?
But was already wrong so often this morning, i just keep my mouth shut 😄

[timber glacier]

That about sums up the way I understood it

[pearl marten]

I think no one has it right - yet 😄

[timber glacier]

It could be that the graphic is actually wrong

in that you need the Blueprint + items + dye to make the skin

[radiant sky]

what graphic?

[timber glacier]

then the Armor + skin to make the custom armor

[pearl marten]

But it says 'Skinned Item Variant' not only Skinned Item

[timber glacier]

this one

[pearl marten]

so it would imply that adding the Dye already gave you a Variant and not the default one

[timber glacier]

probably emphasis on skinned variant of the item as opposed to the default variant of the item

[radiant sky]

yea, it kind of implies there are a completely new line of Blueprints introduced just for the variants

[timber glacier]

So, we wait for the revised version?

[radiant sky]

there will be e revised version?

[timber glacier]

Well, it does say it's a draft, so there should be an official version once stuff is final?

[pearl marten]

Of course - i'm still saying that the Dye is an ingredient needed for applying the skin to an item

[timber glacier]

so like, glue?

[pearl marten]

Something like that

[timber glacier]

I mean, that kinda makes sense

[radiant sky]

i see.
not sure we will see it tho, even this is besides rogiers fps the first draft we've seen ever, right?

[timber glacier]

well, once all the details are known, someone will make an infographic out of it

👀

[radiant sky]

thats what dmitriyR said.

[pearl marten]

😐 ookaaay .. so now we'd go back to zero 😄

but it contradicts with what Johnny said 'The intent is that Dyes are an Ingredient required to make a Skinned Item not to vary it.'

[radiant sky]

i feel this whole "variant" wording messed it up, and got sometimes forgotten to add in explenation

[timber glacier]

Well, like I said, I think his post made things more confusing

[random cobalt]

Will a "x" level scanner only find "x" tier illuvials? Or will they also find tier(s) below "x"?

[timber glacier]

it'll be "up to x", so anything below will still be available

[random cobalt]

Ok cool. I've got to rethink my plots if we can't move scanners to a specific location only for checking on scanning success...

[timber glacier]

Yeah, with the changes coming you'd want a more permanent scanner setup

probably

[radiant sky]

most likely

[pearl marten]

Wait.. we won't be available to move scanners in the next update?

[radiant sky]

for sure you can move them.

[pearl marten]

Buuuuut....? 😄

[radiant sky]

most likely not between activity finished and harvesting

[timber glacier]

Well, you can move them, but the research will account for the efficiency during the research time, not just when you click to collect. (You might not be able to move them before collecting, unsure about that).

[radiant sky]

or that

or something else

[pearl marten]

Okay makes sense

Would be better to not be able to move during the scanning process

[timber glacier]

Same would apply to Labs/Converters

[radiant sky]

but the exploit with moving buildings to a high efficiency place to collect stuff will be eliminated

[timber glacier]

That summarizes it pretty good, whichever way they choose to solve it

[radiant sky]

i think thats already the case 🙂

[timber glacier]

yup, can't move anything that's actively working

[random cobalt]

So will we have to buy credits/ builders in ob?

[timber glacier]

Yes, but there will be quests that give tokens as well

Plants won't anymore though

[pearl marten]

haha don't think i've ever tried it 😄

[random cobalt]

Zero specific quests or overworld or both, do you think?

[timber glacier]

For speedup tokens it'll most likely be Zero-only quests (but who knows?)

[random cobalt]

Those tokens are so crucial

Hopefully we can do a lot of quests or get rewarded a lot for simple ones

[radiant sky]

i doubt they give away a lot, if there is the option to sell them. But who knows

[random cobalt]

Yea you're prolly right... I'm wishful thinking

[opaque kiln]

Moving scanners is pointless (as long as they are working atleast at 50% eff)

[timber glacier]

there's a tab for daily and weekly quests, so I'd assume you'll get at least a few simple ones

[opaque kiln]

Possibly or probably 🤔

[pliant sun]

Any news about this game?

[nimble lichen]

soon gif incoming

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[distant finch]

Once we have 3 bps for each of the 5 illuviums we’re pretty much done on our land plots until kieren puts out the next version of ilv zero right?

I mean it’s probably not kieren but he has that adorable Gecko as his profile photo so lol

[undone phoenix]

Correct ish. Build a zero point transducer and you’re ready for when team pushes blueprint minting feature

[amber atlas]

Yes you are mistaken I thought the clarification was pretty clear. It would be odd for me to write a clarification and apology if what I explained the first time was correct 🙂
... But I agree the doc was a bit confusing, it confused me, and we will get it cleaned up.

Simplest way: Just think of Skinned Item Variant as another name for Skinned Item

[amber atlas]

No

Item + skin + solon = skinned item (not a thing)

Item + Skin + Fuel + Dye(s) = Skinned Item

As before you also need to hold Blueprint but that is not consumed.

[timber glacier]

So there's just the one skin for each blueprint.
And dyes is just another ingredient to make one.

[amber atlas]

Yes, the word variant was the confusing thing, Dmitriy meant it as Item Variant not Skin Variant

[timber glacier]

Okay, that makes more sense

[amber atlas]

(I expect we will scrap that wording, although Aaron is owner of words 😉 so its his call)

[timber glacier]

So, default armor item, and customized armor item

[amber atlas]

yep, just like it always has been but with extra ingredient (Dyes)

[timber glacier]

Keeping it simple, that's probably a good thing

just imagine the extra amount of work, should there have been Default items, skinned items and dyed skins

[radiant sky]

so you create a skin first with a blueprint + fuel + ingrediants, and afterwards you can put that skin on an item using fuel and a dye to create the final Skinned item?

[amber atlas]

The Skin doesn't require a Blueprint, anyone can make a Rhamphy Skin if they have the ingredients... the Blueprint is the recipe for making the Skinned Item:

Illuvials + Fuel = Skin

(Blueprint) + Skin + Item + Dyes + Fuel = Skinned Item

(Brackets meaning 'not consumed')

[pearl marten]

So in the end it seems like the Dye IS the 'glue' used to apply a skin to an item 😄

[pearl marten]

Wait now i'm again confused - how come a skin doesn't require a blueprint? If i remember correctly that has always been the big ace in the sleeve for people going for blueprints: like owning a Rhamphyre blueprint would be the golden goose or something like that

[radiant sky]

yea.
But you can't use a skin except for making a skinned item, right... so in the end the use of a BP is still the same.

[pearl marten]

Now blueprints are ONLY for making a variation of the default skin? one that can be produced by anyone ?

[pearl marten]

Okay i really hope you are right about this

[radiant sky]

look at the skin as like the real skin of the illuvial, like you skinned that beast and now you have the skin of it.
You can't wear this, because it's just disgusting... so you have to create the cool looking skinned item in the process of doing the process johnny described.
And the skinned item is what every other game calls skin.

[pearl marten]

so basically now let's say the marketplace is going to be full of skins(cuz everyone will be able to produce skins) but only landowners that have X blueprint would be able to 'apply' X skin to X item

[radiant sky]

i guess a redo of the wording would be appreciated, so it isn't that confusing

[radiant sky]

keep in mind, BP's also can be sold, so as dye's.
so in the end, everyone can make skinned items.

if they buy the BP and rest

[pearl marten]

i totally agree .. wording wasn't too good and i honestly am not too happy about this change (with everyone being able to make a skin)

[pearl marten]

Yeah i was just thinking of that

[radiant sky]

it's the same as before tbh

there was never a link to IZ when using a BP.
There's just the link to IZ when creating a BP.

and the word skin as we used it before is now the "skinned item"

was probably always the case, we just didn't realized it, because we haven't really seen the end process yet.

[pearl marten]

I understand yes you're right
But one reason why we didn't realize it is because the Dye(s) is something new that was added to the process

[radiant sky]

i just didn't thought of it too much actually 😄
because i guess the process was always the same so as the items (except for dye's)

So before you had to use
(Blueprint) + skin + item+ fuel = Skinned item

No it's just the Dye added
(Blueprint) + skin + item+ fuel +dye = Skinned item

[amber atlas]

We have colooquially used the word SKIN to mean SKINNED ITEM

[pearl marten]

Yep .. but i actually thought it was like this:
BP + illuvial + fuel = skin
Skin + item = Skinned item

[amber atlas]

A blueprint is for an item 'Achies Tower Shield II'

[radiant sky]

maybe we should call the skin "epidermis" and the endproduct the skinned item "Skin" as every other game and influencer on the market does.

[amber atlas]

That makes no sense, then there could only be 150 BPs...

Unless the skin was literally named for the item

[amber atlas]

thats a good idea

[radiant sky]

not really, right?
you could have still different BP for 1 illuvial....

i think many are or were in the same thoughtprocess as Torrex.

[pearl marten]

Why only 150?

[amber atlas]

"Unless the skin was literally named for the item"

which I guess could work

[pearl marten]

I for sure know a few folks that think it's like i said 😄

[radiant sky]

that's why i push rich weekly for the IZ townhall so many stuff which isn't clear to the broad community.
whole BP process is 1 of many many questions prepared

like if people like we who follow closely are confused, what are others thinking. 😄

[amber atlas]

I've published these recipes before

[pearl marten]

Yeah i wanted to say something like that.. try to explain the Skinned Item variant to an outsider 😄

[amber atlas]

but its pretty immaterial, in the end:
Blueprint + Ingredients + Process => Skinned Item ... if the process has several intemediary steps or none doesn't make much difference

[pearl marten]

Do you remeber where exactly? .. i'd sure want to go and refresh my understanding about the whole BP/skin process

[radiant sky]

yea, like many other infos, and thats appreciated.
But i feel a summary of all of it would be pretty neat, not only for newcomers, also for people in here answering questions.
I often have to look up in the search for certain infos, because i knew it was leaked, but can't remember exactly and i know it's burried somewhere in here or the IZ archive chat.

[lusty crag]

What's a dye?

[amber atlas]

there are good parts to the way you described, I quite like it except for one thing

we wnat creation of skins to be a fuel sink, but we don't want it to lock you in to a specific skinnned item

[pearl marten]

okay so a blueprint for Atlas for example can be used as many times to Skin an item using an Atlas skin (created through it's own process) .. why did you say earlier it makes no sense what i suggested and there could only be 150 BPs? the number of existing BPs is not equal to the number of illuvials?

[amber atlas]

If we go:
illuvials + Fuel = Illuvial Skin
Blueprint + Illuvial Skin + Dye + Fuel + Item = Skinned Item
(current system)

Then we can allow you to take appart the skinned item, but still have an Illuvial sink.

If we did:
Blueprint + Illuvials + Dye + Fuel = Item Skin (which can be applied to the item)

Then we can't allow you to take it apart (as then its not an Illuvual Sink) which means those Illvuials are locked in to being used for that specific item.

---

I think that would make it a lot harder to justify making a skinned item. You would probably (almost) never get high level skins on medium level items for example.

Whereas in the planned approach, you could build your high level skins on to medium level items or even low level items, and keep upgrading as you go.

[pearl marten]

Referring to 'can't allow you to take it apart' - You are saying that once applied to an item the skin can be re-used?

[amber atlas]

Items can be deconstructed, for some kind of cost.

[radiant sky]

sounds like, didn't expect that

[pearl marten]

oh but see we never had any idea of this

[amber atlas]

Eek am I leaking 😒

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-good-job-gif-13100657

[amber atlas]

I'm sure there was a public doc or discussion about descontruction in overworld

[radiant sky]

not so sure about that 😄

leaks are basically art stuff.
everything else is very very rare

[amber atlas]

pretty sure its not a secret, out of the bag now anyway

I don't mean a formal leak on art channel, I just mean that it was discussed in some public forum. In any case its a thing.

[pearl marten]

Okay and could you please explain why aren't there only ~150 BPs? or at least equal to the number of illuvials (like 1 BP for every stage of an illuvial)

[amber atlas]

Have you played the game? A blueprint is a recipe to make a speicifc item. 'Rhamphys Power Armour III'

The whole idea is based on the notion there are thousands of combinations and thus any specific combination is very rare, possibly even a 1 of 1 at the higher end.

[radiant sky]

don't think so, at least i can't remember.
There would have been massive discussion about that part i guess, cause it makes a single Skin (not epidermis) more valuable, but you sell way less skins if they are reusable.
Always a topic of heated discussions.

[pearl marten]

Yes i did just FYI but i think you would be surprised that many people think exactly like me about BPs like Dr Spoon said earlier ... but my actual thought process was that if i have a Rhamphyre blueprint i could create a skin for every type of armor/weapon etc

[radiant sky]

nono, you already see that in IZ

[amber atlas]

I mean that is just straight up incorrect, thats been in the docs published here for years (i.e. original scan and research docs in the archives). Has never been the case. And the blueprints in the game specfically have an item name on them.

[radiant sky]

3 BP every one for another armour

[pearl marten]

Yes that is true and i understand .. i honestly forgot once i didn't go into ILZ for some time

[amber atlas]

The idea where you go:
BP + Illuvials + Fuel = Skin can still work, its just that the ksin would be "Kukkas Energy Armor I Skin"

but it doesn't really fit the ideas we had about deconstructing to reuse skin (specfically the Illuvial commitment required to make a skin)

[pearl marten]

I thought that once you make that skin you can apply it to any item -> BP + Illuvials + Fuel = Skin = Kukka Skin

[amber atlas]

Yes, and thats wrong has never been the case and won't be the case.

In any case, for now it is:

Illuvial + Fuel = Skin (We might change this name to be something other than skin to avoid confusion)
(Blueprint) + Skin + Item + Dyes + Fuel = Skinned Item

Skinned items can be deconstructed (for a cost), Skins cannot.

This means Skins are an Illuvial Sink, but they don't lck you in to keeping that skin on one spefici item forever.

[pearl marten]

Got it .. thank you for clearing it and 100% didn't meant to be a pain but also i think you asking me if i played the game was uncalled for 🙂
You re basically spending/or have spent X amount of hours daily making this stuff, thinking of it etc .. i for one try to stay updated how and whenever i can

[amber atlas]

I didn't know if you had played the game, not everyone in this channel plays, I thought the item name being writtten on the Blueprint was pretty clear.

[radiant sky]

i think the common sense up to today was
BP + Illuvials + fuel + item = Skin
Even tho it was wrong, that's what has been shared in pretty much all explanations. (in community, not team members)

[amber atlas]

I mean its not really wrong other than the name is Skinned Item not Skin

Items also are constructed

so you can write the recipe with all its parts

but process wise there are steps: Make Item -> Make Skin -> Make Skinned Item

[radiant sky]

and you need 2x fuel and its 2 processes.
not really totally the same.
But yea, pretty close i guess 🙂

[amber atlas]

But I do agree another name for the Skin (the thing made of Illuvials) is a good idea

that way we can use skin as short hand for skinned item like everyone does, and not get confused

[radiant sky]

aaron for sure has a fancy word for it 🙂

[amber atlas]

Actually just checked its called "Illuvial Material" in the docs now, although Aaron thought maybe "Biomaterial" would be better

"Skin" is just me being out of date 😒

[radiant sky]

illuvial material sounds meh

Biomaterial okish

but i expected more of aaron tbh

[amber atlas]

hah I'll make sure he knows that :p

[shrewd flax]

Are the blueprint skins aleady ready to get minted?

And if so are they actually worth anything

[dry mango]

Not yet

[bitter phoenix]

So what you actually mean is the illuvial hide or leather?

[opaque kiln]

'A leather costume'

[bitter phoenix]

Leather skin.

[opaque kiln]

Ahh.. is it not something applied over the existing 'native skin' of the illuvial?

[bitter phoenix]

No it’s the consumable part of the illuvial that is used as part of the creation of a skinned item. Like a ranger skin.

[opaque kiln]

Ohhh..k... 'Skin Variant'

or simply a 'replacement skin' 😀

or 'skin replacement '

[bitter phoenix]

Imagine in the real world you want leather gloves. You would need a 🐄 cow for its hide tread and a pattern to make them. You also need some dye and the sewing machine and power

[opaque kiln]

A leather glove is a 'leather costume'.. it's not 'leather skin'

[vivid cipher]

Biomaterial helps connect it to the Biodata in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[bitter phoenix]

You need illuvials to get the hides or leather from

Bio material is a little confusing imo because we get bio data for scanners

[opaque kiln]

😱😱😱 do we kill them for leather...😱😱😱 attention 'purple cross'

[bitter phoenix]

Yes

I don’t know about kill though because it comes down to lore

[amber atlas]

I think its a bit more high tech that that, we are infusing the DNA in to the armour to make the skinned items or something... hence Biomaterial ... but... basically yes

[bitter phoenix]

Bio fabric

[amber atlas]

deep lore not my speciality 😉

[amber atlas]

I'm not sure using Solons to smash out their DNA in a Forge is going to seem much better ... 😉

[opaque kiln]

Ahh.. that clears it.. we are, I mean, will be transforming an Armor into a biological material by a complex arythmetical bitransformation process, simple 😀

[amber atlas]

you got it!

😁

[bitter phoenix]

Yup

[opaque kiln]

So no killing illuvials, purple cross may stand down 🤣

So let's call it 'Bio-armor'

[bitter phoenix]

Well kind of because the illuvials will no longer be illuvials any more. They will be transformed into biomaterials that will be used to craft cosmetics. So kill shred nuke. What ever you want to call it

[opaque kiln]

Poor atlas, can we eat the meat 😸

[bitter phoenix]

Have to wait for the lore.

[radiant sky]

Don't forget to bring the flux capacitor

[opaque kiln]

Got it Er.. err.. Dr almost forgot it 🤣

They should give it as a prize in the battle that is not a battle, the pictures unveiling competition aka BITB 🤣

[next juniper]

The prices on lands are pretty bonkers right now, especially for tier 4 ones. Wondering if we will ever be this low again after the betas? Remember tier 4s going for over 100k during the sale.

[median salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-dancing-maga-trump-gif-18842875

love u fraggy

[potent locust]

Hey i dm you about this. I'm interested in scholarships.

[timber glacier]

Perhaps a more specified name is needed, Biomaterial seems too generic.
Could mean anything from a sample of fur to a complex Biohelix...
Atlas Biohelix... Think about that one for a moment.

[opaque kiln]

BioArmour

[timber glacier]

That'd be after fusing with the Blueprint/Dye, I meant for the Illuvial-based component

[opaque kiln]

PreBioArmour

ProtoBiomic

ProtoBiarm

ProtoArmor

ProtoBio

or simply a 'Biode'

[timber glacier]

BioMatrix?

[timber sapphire]

yes, like how in pokemon go you kill them for candies

[timber sapphire]

mcdonalds atlas burgers collaboration when

[tulip perch]

dont need a T4 just the dude to sell the one he sniped to stop my megga city it was either K or Fraggy at K direction ....lol

[true cypress]

Will Megacity be available after minting and data whipped?

[radiant sky]

I feel ya, got a t1 sniped for my megacity. And wallet was inactive since then, guess it is lost 😔

[radiant sky]

Should be, yes

[tulip perch]

I was all fair In Love and war One day we Will build a mega county and he or she will need ME 😂😂

The other suspect is the Lars bot

[mellow timber]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuvium-zero-iz-leo-illuvium-gif-13248639845145003634

[gleaming rampart]

News about season 2?

[empty path]

First time I hear about season 2 in IZ?

[radiant sky]

There is no season 2

[radiant sky]

You lacking, many asked before 😂

[empty path]

I’m not payed anymore, I can forget now 😅

[opaque kiln]

There are always 4 seasons, atleast 🙊

[radiant sky]

Except you live in northern scandinavia, then you have just 1 😂

[cosmic spade]

hopefully 🤞

[rugged jungle]

I stopped following a few months back since it wasn't out on apple. Is it now out?

[empty path]

Not on apple

[rugged jungle]

Shucks

[cosmic spade]

yes, but hopefully soon

megacities and IOS playable are „my“ top most important points

[radiant sky]

Should both be ready for IZ open Beta.
Even tho, iOS might just be a Webgl solution.

[cosmic spade]

Yes, that’s also my last state of knowledge

thanks 🙂

[polar cosmos]

; )

[polar cosmos]

I have to buy 1 more land to complete all regions

[quiet aurora]

When blueprint farming does the land tier have any effect on the chance of attaining a blueprint or rarity of blueprint?

[radiant sky]

No

[next juniper]

Should be the same chances wether you have a tier 1 or a tier 4.

[vestal spear]

WOW! I fell behind like 300 posts then the discussion was so intense I had to read through several times but now I got it! You can make an item like a shield. You can make a foreskin or whatever you want to call it with an Illuvial and fuel. Then if you have a blueprint you can take the shield plus the foreskin plus Dyes and Fuel and make a skinned shield based on the blueprint.

now I am all caught up!

[amber atlas]

is that an official naming suggestion? 😉

[vestal spear]

It could work LOL!

[serene iris]

Is there a guide somewhere on how to buy land? Tried to buy off illuvium.io and it said I didn't have the right funds in my wallet? I was buying in eth

Or do you still have to bridge across to imx first

[elfin bay]

is upgrading your research facility worth it ? I updated it but the rate remains the same. is there any benefit to that ?

[narrow oasis]

Is there a new version of ILZ? Been gone since July. Also can I still work on getting the BPs?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[radiant sky]

No, not in s1.
In open Beta you will need to Upgrade to be able to research high Tier biodata afaik.

[radiant sky]

We are still in s1 and yes, you still can work on getting those bp's

[unkempt kettle]

Morning gamers, wasn’t here for a long time. Any update regarding the mint of blueprints?

[timber glacier]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[unkempt kettle]

Thanks!

[gaunt wren]

When are we getting IZ on AppStore?

And what did they reset everything?

[hoary forge]

ILV Zero is planned for Apple User for Public beta right now. Via AppStore or as a WebGL version.
All will get reset. Only the Blueprints that you found and minted (in an upcoming mint window) will stay.

[gaunt wren]

Thanks.

Planned meaning not on Appstore yet?

[hoary forge]

Not yet sorry.

Only available on PC, Mac and Android at the moment.

[gaunt wren]

Thanks for the info. When is the final reset before mainnet?

[radiant sky]

Planned to be after the short time minting window.
Which is planned to be arround christmas
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[true cypress]

There is only 1 more reset since the launch?

[radiant sky]

Yes, Next reset is to jump into open Beta... Finally 🙃

[true cypress]

Thanks, let's get ready to rumble !!!!

[cyan dew]

Grinding to get all blueprints

[timber glacier]

Seems to be going well. Good luck!

[cyan dew]

thank you ^^

[tall crypt]

Need help

[rotund forum]

Why would you want it on the abusive appstore in the first place? Zero is a game for investors mainly; would you prefer Apple take a big chunk off your profits? You’re better of with just an IOS browser version and they will launch that when open beta is going live.

[little moon]

Any news on the minting dates ?

[vivid cipher]

Just this #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tardy falcon]

will be able to use sILV2 for speed up credits?

[random siren]

I would hope so and can't think of a reason SILV2 wouldn't be allowed to be used for this.

[fair orbit]

Can I apply scholarship here?

[undone phoenix]

No. Look in #1169004294473793597

[timber glacier]

Some people occasionally post about looking for scholars, so you might wanna check them out too.
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
Here's a recent one

[fair orbit]

Thank you

[lunar wraith]

When is it going to be possible to sell the resources from the land to the illuvium open world players

[empty path]

Hopefully Q1 2024

[lunar wraith]

Roughly 4months left.

Then Lental system will be operative at that point

Or will it need more time to develop the lent system

[vivid cipher]

I expect any Rental systems to be created by third parties like #1169004294473793597

[fickle goblet]

Seems too near or is it the consensus now on the timelines? I was thinking Q3 2024

[empty path]

This is the current date they are telling us on the last updated roadmap.

[fickle goblet]

On PB1 we can already monetize the resources? I thought that comes in on the main release

[empty path]

Open beta is planned for Q1 2024, this is on chain.

[fickle goblet]

I saw this, but I'm wondering how is it beta if we can already sell resources? I'm trying to understand the jump from the current version to suddenly opening the floodgates

I see #💬〕general message

[lost walrus]

Will the open beta differ a lot from the current version?

[dry mango]

Sure, some functions will be modified, and some mechanics as well, but overall they will be quite similar

[gleaming swallow]

GM y'all, any news on the mint window?

[radiant sky]

Latest News
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wild token]

Hey...been playing Illuvium Zero in the background, not here much. At what point are we to do something with the buodata and facts we have collected?

[vivid cipher]

You’ve found some blueprints too right?

[vivid cipher]

This one has more info about when the mint window might be.

[wild token]

5 Biodata, 12 facts and 9 blueprints

[vivid cipher]

Keep going for the other 6 blueprints. 3 for each biodata.

[wild token]

I keep 2 plants researching constantly

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[mild umbra]

Are there still only 5 blueprints available to find?

[radiant sky]

3 per biodata

15 in total per plot

[mild umbra]

I guess let me rephrase, still only 5 illuvials' biodata to find?

[little moon]

Yes

[mild umbra]

thanks

[amber atlas]

There's still no official date, but I did ask the guys to draft a release plan, so the date will hopefully be announced soonish.

[radiant sky]

Oh gawd "soonish"
...
"-ISH"

[fickle goblet]

Johnny are able to double confirm there will be a live onchain market come PB1? 😅

[amber atlas]

Blueprints will be minted as ERC-721 on IMX StarkEx, just like Land or Beyond D1sks. They will be integrated in to the Dex and also tradable via other IMX marketplaces.

PB1 is the name of a long ago released Arena version, so not sure what you mean there. Do you mean Open Beta?

[opaque kiln]

Possibly! or probably! .. soonish

[amber atlas]

Basically nothing has officially changed since my last post but the wheels are turning.

[fervent slate]

[lunar wraith]

Before the openbeta in Q1 2024, all the data will be wiped out??

[vivid cipher]

Yes. The game data will be wiped.

[lunar wraith]

When though??

Do I still have enough time to make 15 blueprints with Tier1 lands??

[vivid cipher]

Probably.

[vivid cipher]

You would likely be able to keep working on it until at least some time early in January. The timeline has not been announced yet.

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[empty path]

Good news, interface doesn't glitch after once you go above 1000

[lost walrus]

Is it still the same as before, will we sell fuel to the market or direct sell based on current price?

[radiant sky]

Afaik you can just sell it to the Market

[opaque kiln]

'Current price' ???🤔

[opaque kiln]

So it is possibly soonish...😉

[lost walrus]

I meant market price at that moment, automatically

[fickle goblet]

Sorry I should've clarified, in other words I meant to ask if the Q1 of ILV:Z will have the live order book for trading resources because I was see "yes" but not sure I understand how we can jump there on the next release

[radiant sky]

There's a top rail, but you can sell for whatever price you want

[pure fable]

thanks for testing it out mate

[pallid slate]

If that can help, I also did quite a few testing.
I stopped playing at 1031 on a T1.
All building possible to make are maxed.
Great production of full, around 100/day

No bug or weird things

[velvet osprey]

how many fuel converters did you have at 150%? mid 20s?

[pallid slate]

4

[velvet osprey]

how did you get 100 fuel/day then?

[pallid slate]

I have 97 total

Bit just 4 maxed

[opaque kiln]

97 😱😱😱

[pallid slate]

Yep most lvl1 but a bunch at lvl 4

[opaque kiln]

in which tier?

[pallid slate]

T1

I just maxed one of each kind of building for test purpose but after I won't build stuff like statue other converters ect

[opaque kiln]

Level 3 and level 4 both give 2 more (at 150%). In T1 'odd' levels are better.

[pallid slate]

Yes but I don't go 150%

That what I was meaning sorry

4 at 150% all the others a 50%

[opaque kiln]

Oh right

[velvet osprey]

Hiro does that 100 include passive generation as well?

My build I am getting 102/day including passive.

[pallid slate]

Yeah it s all included, I probably have little more than 100 actually

[opaque kiln]

Ok. You get passive daily at L4, makes sense.

[pallid slate]

Yep

[velvet osprey]

yeah with 17 fully maxed fuel converters I get 102 from the converter/passive. If you include the fully maxed cryton gate it would be 124. Curious if anyone has beat that for a T1

[pallid slate]

I LL count later but should be close

[opaque kiln]

Is it better to reasearch one biodata in all mat labs at the same time (until all 3 BPs for that bio is obtained) or different bios in the mat labs would get them faster 🤔

[pallid slate]

Also I dodn t yet put all at lvl 4, then it would be more

[velvet osprey]

you would have signifcant dimishing returns though if its only at 50%

[pallid slate]

At lvl4 it s 1/day

[velvet osprey]

do you have any at 50% level 6?

[pallid slate]

Nop

[velvet osprey]

curious what the conversion cost is and the output

[pallid slate]

4 at lvl max

All the others at lvl 1/4

[velvet osprey]

I have a level 6 let me see if I can nuke it lol

[pallid slate]

I have 4 at lvl 6 yes

[velvet osprey]

level 6 at 50% costs 6 to convert and you get 3. so you lose 3

[velvet osprey]

if most of them are at 50%, do you even bother converting? you would lose every time you convert

[pallid slate]

Yes only on the 4 on the right

The other one I don t convert

[velvet osprey]

when the game comes out, since it is 50% efficiency, you will not passively generate 1 every day right? you will generate 1 every other day?

[opaque kiln]

If you just leave them without converting you still get 1 per day passively at level 4.

[velvet osprey]

its 1 per day, but only 50% efficiency. So it would really be 1/2 every day right? Or 1 every other day?

[pallid slate]

You see on the left pic 2 lines at the bottom are lvl 4 and some at the 3 line

[opaque kiln]

Anything at 0.5 is rounded to 1. So you still get 1 per day 😃

[pallid slate]

All the lvl 1 give 1 every 2 days
The lvl 4 ones give 1/day

[velvet osprey]

@amber atlas @radiant sky Can you confirm if this is going to stay the same once game goes live? I feel like I remember reading something that when game goes live, it wouldnt round. It would just give you 1 every other day instead

[radiant sky]

It changes

[opaque kiln]

The lords are unhappy that the T1 plebs are using the resources smartly. They want to take it away 😃

[radiant sky]

Instead of rounding up to 1, you get a 50% Chance of getting 1 if i remember right.
So yes, 1 every other Day statistically

[pallid slate]

As now then

[radiant sky]

No

[opaque kiln]

Let me test it today and see.

[radiant sky]

It changes in open Beta, you can't Test that now

[velvet osprey]

this is what I thought, thanks

[opaque kiln]

I can test it now as it is 😃

[radiant sky]

Let me See if i Find johnnys post

[pallid slate]

I have 1every day at 50% that mean 1 every 2 days now and also with your explanation

[opaque kiln]

So you do get 1 everyday passively at 50% right?

[pallid slate]

No one every 2 days

But on the lvl4 yes 1/day

[opaque kiln]

At level 4 🤔