🎮〕illuvium-zero

[half shard]

What about the price history? Was it higher or lower?

[hoary forge]

It was higher a few months ago.

[half shard]

Guess ill buy one

[grand sigil]

Whats better to have on land? Outcorp lake or crystal?
Hyperion crypton or solon?

[reef jasper]

All speculation as of now, but each fuel is uses for something different so, it's more so what you think will be used most

[tight crag]

Looking at this, I'm definitely going to be looking more towards Hyperion for fuel, stuck on which element could be the most desired without looking further into what these do.

Is there any details regarding the utility for the element? (Energy production etc.)

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper i love the speculation. Whats your personal opinion?

I will probably focus for scanners.

[reef jasper]

Well for fuel, I'd like to think crypton will be used more in the beginning, and maybe hyperion comes after for shards

As far as elements go, I will be focusing on scanners for season 1, for obvious reasons

And then I will sell a few lands, hopefully, to consolidate into a T2 or T3, to focus on fuel production.

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper and elements? Im buying a t1. What should i look at?

[reef jasper]

Since converters are a thing, in my opinion it doesn't really matter

Especially for a T1

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper i dont know what to buy....🥺

[reef jasper]

Any thought about which region?

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper i dont even know that🤦‍♂️

I love the looks of taiga

Qnd crystal shores

[reef jasper]

I couldn't decide either... so I bought some in each region

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper tbh idc about region

Jist what elements qnd or fuel should have...

I know best is all 3 elements... but you know... they are expensive lol

[reef jasper]

They are pretty low at the moment, good entry point on secondary

I bought during sale

With sILV2

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper t1 was like 0.17 eth if i remember right

Floor

[reef jasper]

Yeah tbh I don't remember, it was a year ago haha

[grand sigil]

Damn elemnets... shouldve been just 1 element qnd 1 fuel type... easier to decide🤣

[reef jasper]

Good luck my friend

[tight crag]

Does the region make much of a difference?

I know certain illuvials will be more common on certain Lands, but you can still find them all on all Lands?

Unless there is one illuvials which is extremely strong currently which is more common on a certain land?

Oof.. Lowest sale in 7 days 0.068.. O.o If anyone else is looking to sell this low I'll gladly buy them.. 👀

Also, is there any details regarding Landmarks?

[reef jasper]

For season 1 it doesn't really matter, but for full release, there are higher percent chances of finding illuvials based on their type for each region

I think there is a graphic showing the numbers

[tight crag]

Thank you, highly appreciated. 👌

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper and which class has strongest illuvials?👀

[reef jasper]

Good question 🤔 do you have PB access?

[grand sigil]

@reef jasper no... i dont have anykind of qccess .. trying to get from somewhere... but bad luck😕

[tight crag]

Check the illuvium twitter page, various influencers were giving quite a few out on the 18th, may still have some.

[grand sigil]

@tight crag i did participated in every giveaway possible... but i wasnt lucky so far

[tight crag]

Damn, that sucks. 😔
Also keep an eye on the TG page, I was lucky to get mine from there.

[hearty cradle]

i sold my plots when it was around 0.5

[grand sigil]

Ok. I bought land. How can i start playing zero?

i went from my mobile to download and says not available for your devive

[hearty cradle]

u got a pc?

[copper inlet]

on android make sure your browser is in mobile mode, iOS is not supported yet

[grand sigil]

@copper inlet ill do after system update. thought thats the issue

[copper inlet]

let us know if it worked

[grand sigil]

@copper inlet will do 💪

[wide salmon]

Hey guys what exactly is the ilv zero release coming up soon?

[hoary forge]

Please check the pin post for the newest dev updates to illuvium Zero

[vivid cipher]

Illuvial “strength” is also irrelevant to the blueprints in #🎮〕illuvium-zero Blueprints will be used for creating cosmetic skins. It’s just for looks.

[lavish hawk]

Hi mate! How long did you take to build those cities?

[plain sundial]

Oddly satisfying. Pretty dope build. 🤘

[teal mural]

Depends on which tier you have but a good 2 months with minimum play

[misty rock]

Hi have anyone create a website or table for the building cost and upgrade cost?

[dry mango]

illuvihub

[misty rock]

Thanks

[wide salmon]

I’m starting w t2 💪

Gonna work my way up to acquire t3&4

[lavish hawk]

Awesome! What tier are you?

[grand sigil]

Sooo... i own land. Installed 0. But cant play. What do i have to do

?

[fierce hatch]

What happened?

[grand sigil]

@fierce hatch says user or pass incorrect

[fierce hatch]

Are you logging in with your email?

[grand sigil]

Yes

[fierce hatch]

Are you sure the email is the one attached to the wallet that is holding the land?

[mossy sorrel]

you also need to create an account on the illuvium website if you haven't already

[grand sigil]

@fierce hatch yes

@mossy sorrel i did

Well this is funny. Force closed the app. Open it again and it worked lol

[fierce hatch]

LOL been there done that 😂

[grand sigil]

So can qnyone give a few advices? Like i know nexus is 1st build. Does it count where i place it? I have taiga.
Do i meed path to every building?

What order should i build the buildings?

[fierce hatch]

There are some great content creators that have videos on YouTube explaining the most efficient way to play

[grand sigil]

@fierce hatch can a building be moved after is built?

[fierce hatch]

I don't play the land game to be completely honest I'm here for OW and the auto battler so I'm not sure 😅

@high sleet Has some really good videos on the subject tho

[grand sigil]

@fierce hatch id love ow... but cant get access 😢

[empty path]

Fill in the form in #1075137668821823628

[grand sigil]

@empty path i did on website

[fierce hatch]

Id say your best bet is just being active in the community. The team rewards those first who are the most active at events and such 🙂

[grand sigil]

@fierce hatchtried all tweeter giveaways lol... no luck. 🥺

[empty path]

Just do what I said 😅

[hearty cradle]

just follow the quests

its gonna get wiped next week anyway

[grand sigil]

@empty path ok. filled the form as well 😬

[high sleet]

Absolutely

[grand sigil]

@high sleet bro. Watched a couple of your vids... doesnt state what order to build the building for max efficiency...

Any tip?

@high sleet at this now. Hope i can get what i meed lol

[vivid cipher]

A few days ago I realized that while we don’t know how much fuel an #🎮〕illuvium-overworld run will cost or how many players will pay that or how many runs those paying players will do each day or how much fuel land will produce… (the list of unknowns is long) we do know that land owners should produce 5% of the fuel used. We also know how many lands and how many fuel sites exist and how many exist on each tier of land. (If someone wanted to dig deeper they could determine total sites of each type of fuel but it’s not really relevant due to convertors)

By taking that 5% and the fuel site numbers as fact it’s possible to simulate how often an average land owning #🎮〕illuvium-zero player will produce enough fuel to pay to play #🎮〕illuvium-overworld as much as the average paying player. It all depends on how many average paying players there are…

Please tell me what you think.

(This one doesn’t say 1000… in each box #🎮〕illuvium-zero message )

[amber atlas]

just keep in mind we will adjust game features to ensure there is balance... if there is too much Fuel we will add things to the games to sink Fuel... if there is not enough Fuel we will add things to Zero to increase Fuel production... if the imbalances are specific to one type of Fuel then these changes will target one specific type of Fuel

[vivid cipher]

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. It also helps me accept that “average” is a viable measure for this chart.

These numbers would change if more lands were sold and were ACTIVELY used to produce fuel.

[hearty cradle]

holyf

great work pelican

[vivid cipher]

Thanks. I felt like it should work. And it feels decent.

[hearty cradle]

this the problem if we want to sell the 2nd batch of plots in the bull market

[vivid cipher]

Oh the text is off in the first boxes

[hearty cradle]

its gonna be so dilluted when we lose those players in the following bear

[vivid cipher]

But if people STOP playing #🎮〕illuvium-zero then the amount of fuel produced goes down, keeping take home numbers better for those that do stay. But yeah. More lands with not equally more players is gonna be tough.

[hearty cradle]

thats the thing with IZ, i dont see people who invested would want to stop playing

or at least they gonna hire scholars

[grand sigil]

Let them quit so i buy more land🙄

[vivid cipher]

Yeah most likely. But a poor man’s gotta cope…

Which means it will be up to the team to balance the economy. Which they can do. Because they have all the levers. Johnny literally just said they will sink what they need and boost what they need. Balance. But more lands needs more players or it’ll mean less take home for each land.

[vivid cipher]

Perhaps those that quit will sell at a discount.

[grand sigil]

@vivid cipher exactly🙊

Ppl never sell at ath qnd quit lol

[vivid cipher]

Dark mode with corrected numbers in the text box.

[gray tinsel]

Hi guys, gm.. quick question in preparation for the coming season.. I have 7 lands T1 (1 for each region) and I want to share them with my family for them to play and develop simultaneously... is there a mechanism other than transferring the land to their metamask for them use them? I mentioned is since as far as i know there is no renting mode yet right?

I don't want to transfer them since I like the fact of having all lands in all regions in case of any promos in the future... also sounds like I own the planet 🙂

Thanks Pelican

[vivid cipher]

Oh crap. I mis read

[gray tinsel]

that is moving the land to their wallet...

[vivid cipher]

No

[gray tinsel]

yes no problem

[vivid cipher]

It could be YOUR wallets. You would just set them up with an account connected to your wallet. They do not need to control the wallet.

[gray tinsel]

ahh got it, so it will be like the sub accounts in Axie or Thetan Arena

[vivid cipher]

I don’t know how those work (I think no though). But at this point each account needs to have a unique wallet connected to it. But metamask and even hardware wallets let you create different addresses and you can control them all and just create and connect different accounts.

[gray tinsel]

yes correct, those are the sub accounts I did for those games, similar procedure, just moving the land to "separate accounts" but with me having approval/signature access...

the downside of that method is in case there is a contest / promo to land owners it will look like i have only 1 land per wallet... this for example for Crew3 challenges

but it works to develop them then move them back to the main one in the future, thanks Pelican

crew3 = dequest

[vivid cipher]

At this point transferring between wallets wipes in game progress. But it won’t ALWAYS do that. The team is working on permanence.

[timber glacier]

1st one about 3 weeks (but nothing is really maxed on that one)
2nd one about 2 months (with every Fuel Converter and storage building maxed, and resource gatherers/converters at lv8)
2nd I started on back when converters were 3:1 conversions, so it got a faster start. Might take longer to get there now.

[trail forge]

Great post Pelican.

And yes a big worry is that we arent even close to the total amount of land that will exist

[vivid cipher]

Initial idea was to sell the remaining land over like 5 years time. I would argue to not sell more land until certain total fuel minted/sold thresholds are met.

[high sleet]

I did put a lot of work into that vid so I hope it's helpful. I have configured a decent build order on a google doc somewhere but converting it into vid form is going to take a 6-7 hour block of free time. Which I haven't had for a while. The hardest part is I need to include all the tiers of plots and I needed to avoid it becoming dated with future game updates.

When season 1 drops I will be focusing my efforts there for a few weeks

[grand sigil]

@high sleet do you still have that doc?😬

[fierce hatch]

Not really a worry at all because the DAO chooses when the next land sale is, no? It’s possible the rest of the plots are never available if that’s correct.

[hearty cradle]

thats the likely scenario

IZ is a problem

[pale jay]

Hey guys. Bouncing some ideas around about getting into some illuvium land. Thought I might as well bounce them off y’all and see what the general thoughts are.

Currently 3 t1 lands are equal in price to 1 t2 land. As far as I can tell each t1 land comes with 4 random resources and each t2 land comes with 9 random resources.

So my question is: is there any other factors that I haven’t read about or haven’t considered when it comes to comparing t1 and t2 lands? Logic tells me that 3 t1 > 1 t2.

Appreciate any and all input and insights 👊

[weary bluff]

yes, time, costs to upgrade , storage, converting

[blazing anvil]

33% bonus from t2, extra time playing to manage and scale 3 separate plots vs 1

[weary bluff]

T1 has extremely huge issues with storage

which will not be addressed

basically bout 1/5 of ur land is useless

maybe more

[weary bluff]

it is pointless to buy T1, unless u gonna go for schematics ONLY. do not buy t1 for fuel.

[pale jay]

Hmm when you say storage - are you referring to in game spots to build “storage units” aka your build plots are also smaller ?

Do all tiers of land scale in build size?

[weary bluff]

no, i mean that your storage is not even enough to upgrade your buildings, which means that u will need more storages

at some point i think u would need like 16 just from 1 type of resources

[tame root]

So im guessing on tier 1 land i cant even upgrade the marketplace to trade fuel as theres only one fuel deposit and it requires all 3 for upgrade?

[weary bluff]

gotta check for the exact number of buildings tbh, we discussed it with viper in twitter when i saw the amounts required for upgrades of some buildings

[weary bluff]

theres converters

but they suck now, so its just a waste of time.

it could be easier to just buy some fuel if the price is low enough and it will be, cuz ppl wont buy much fuel most likely

and 95% of it is printed out of thin air

cant wait to see the look on the faces of whales when they r with max fuel and cant sell it

[pale jay]

Fair. That’s totally valid also. Obviously we have no clue as to the potential price of fuel come launch time. But let’s say you cop a t2 for .8 - that .8 could equate a shit ton of fuel 🤷‍♂️

[weary bluff]

with so much spending required for non land owners to play, i just dont see how its gonna work

[tame root]

@weary bluff so theres not even even enough resource to get to a high enough lvl to be worth it?

[weary bluff]

there is, but theres also lots of waiting, converting and it requires too many storage buildings, which also costs time and resources, not only higher tiers get more resources, but they also have more storage, so they will develop their land many, many times faster

[tame root]

But i suppose if fuel prices get to high alot of people will be priced out the game all together

Yeah i see what your saying

[weary bluff]

basically, based on what spawns u have ull have to make enough converters of other types of fuel or rss, so u can develop ur land, while they get more or all of them at once

[pale jay]

There will always be free to play though won’t there - so people will still be able to play without land or fuel? The rest of us will just get ahead

[tame root]

Yeah true

I suppose the value will be in selling the best illuvials

[weary bluff]

yes i assume so, ppl will play, but this type of game is super specific and i doubt thaaat many ppl will play f2p just for fun. even less that will pay to play

not sure who told the devs that many ppl pay to play, but theyre wrong 😄

its supposed to be play to earn, not pay to play

[tame root]

🤣 yeah well that was the reason i decided to buy land in the first place

[weary bluff]

buuut there might still be things that i dont know or i dont consider, i aint expert

but i did reach lvl 1000 on t1 land first in the entire community, so

i know whats up, more or less

[tame root]

Yeah id say that makes ypu pretty well qualified 🤣

[weary bluff]

t1 is extremely hardcore, thats for ppl that want to abuse themselves, trust me 😄

with the current state of converters itll take months and months to develop ur land if u got t1

many months more than t2

i guess

before they changed converters it was much easier , thats why i was so ahead

the costs are insane, u need 100+ fuel just for 1 storage

and u need huge amounts of storages

i predict more than 6 months of hard grind for t1 development

[tame root]

Yeah as im getting further thrpugh im starting to realise 🤣

[weary bluff]

when i say hard grind i mean the first week u play like 16 hours a day

[tame root]

Yeah i dont have anywhere near that time! 🤣

[weary bluff]

i misspoke, just for 1 upgrade of 1 storage 😄

aaand depending on how u develop ur land, u dont get much fuel

ull need many days for 1 upgrade

[tame root]

Great! 🤣 how much are t2 going for at the moment?

[weary bluff]

0.71 eth

in immutable marketplace

but positions of spawns are very important

also types of fuel/resources

it could make ur life much easier or much harder

not to mention that on some plots the spawns are fucked and its hard to make the best of it for the scanners n shit

i saw a t4 land with bonus for which they do not have fuel spawn

land fuel bonus and u dont have the type of fuel u get bonus for

imagine how fucked up ios that

[pale jay]

Damn. That’s wild.

I think at this point I’ll be taking it slow and learning far more before I ape any land.

I’ve been enjoying the game a ton (overworld and also the auto battler) so want to focus on getting something that works well with my intentions to play the game more so then anything else.

[weary bluff]

prices of lands seem to be droppin, they held 600$ strong, now its 500$ for t1

theres a chance that when the game is up and running theyll drop even more, cuz ppl wont want to bother that much for basically nothing, talkin bout t1

buuut we still dont know the earning potential, but by the looks of it t1 will always be screwed

[pale jay]

Very valid point. Especially if people find that fuel prices are cheap enough to buy and use instead of earn.

[weary bluff]

a t4-t5 player will make hundreds of times more fuel than t1 and will be able to drop prices of fuel

thats why i dont recommend buying t1 for fuel

only for schematics

or megacity

[pale jay]

Do the zones that the land exist in play any factors to the resources / fuel you can produce? Or only impact the illuvials that can interact with that plot and schematics you can find?

[weary bluff]

no effect on resources/fuel i believe

for illuvials 100%, but idk bout other stuff cuz theyre not in the game yet

i mean if theres a way to get skins n shit for ur character in overworld n shit

its not in the game

in zero.

could be added tho, idk, i kinda lost track of everything once they fked up t1 that much 😄

and dont get me wrong i come from a game that ive played for 1 year and 4 months and im still not maxed (f2p) , so grind isnt an issue for me

buuut, the balance of some things isnt ok, my biggest issue is with storage i think

this upgrade alone will require 7 storages lvl9 for hydrogen only. which is not only insane amounts of time, but also insane amounts of fuel just for the storages, not to mention that ull need a lot of scanners

could take u months just to reach this and upgrade this scanner

[hearty cradle]

web3 will always be play to earn. the team is distancing themself from P2E amidst axie. pay to play is a nicer term.

[hearty cradle]

oh so this is why t1 price is at 30% of T2, it used to be much higher

[hearty cradle]

yes T1 is essential for blueprint farm

[simple lance]

we are at the end of week 3 in May, any updates?

[hearty cradle]

next week

[simple lance]

would be quite an embarrassment to have the 1 year anniversary of the land sale before we start playing for blue prints.

[hearty cradle]

we are beyond embarrassment

bought presale, and price already down 50% before launch

[simple lance]

but that would be particularly emarrassing, lol. I know you were around last May when they announced 3-4 weeks and that was a surprise. everyone had thought we would be playing immediately, lol

[weary bluff]

thats how it works folks, they took our money from lands and dropped it

then go to some trading cards , took the money

liked how much they made

made more cards

if they could run another land sale without the community blowing them up, they would have done it by now 😄

[tall crypt]

It wouldn't be because they're all scoundrels.

[simple lance]

patience has been tough, but everything the team puts out is great. been playing PB2 and it's quite awesome. just a shame took so much longer than expected. but greatness doesn't always come quickly. No doubt this game will be epic.

[tall crypt]

Apart from the delay, it took me almost 3 months to raise a tier1 to level 9. Even if it's out now, getting blueprint will take time.

[hearty cradle]

carefull not to get jaganite'd here

[tall crypt]

I perceive that there is a lot of hatred towards the project. The fans of the project make a lot of noise and neutralize the heaters because they appear one by one and eat and ban them one by one. Inside goes the procession and hatred towards the CEOs, the clowns youtubers, useless members of the council and hallucinatory members of the social networks who do not have a land but laugh thanks to the project.
All my friends say this is a scam. I cannot defend any more and although it is not true, I have told them that I am selling the tokens and the plots.
If they can't finish designing IZ it would be better if they raffle the blueprints among the most active IZ players.

[lethal wyvern]

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[sly summit]

He could just create dozens of accounts, right?

[hearty cradle]

oh man the sale was so much fun. right after luna too

[teal mural]

IZ is ready to go, they took more time but add some really great VFX. I own a nice amount of land and cool with the wait. It’s not like we are not able to play it rite now we just waiting for an update.

[hearty cradle]

damn

[weary bluff]

im not afraid, ive put more time in IZ than most , reported bugs, suggested stuff. ive earned the right to have an opinion, im a supporter and a critic, just as every player that actually invests and plays the game should be. hyping stuff is fine, but we must also be realistic, the games shouldnt be made for whales only. which is the case with all illuvium games.

[hearty cradle]

yea its a P2W

[teal mural]

How is it just for whales?

Anybody will be able to afford to play and like any other NFT game anybody with money can buy resources, other people played to get. It is the way

[weary bluff]

where have u seen a normal player being happy about iz or ib? where do u see good return for non whales in these games, not rly that familiar with overworld, but i assume thats the case there too

[hearty cradle]

play to get?

[weary bluff]

free version of IZ will not bring u anything, so u must pay to try to earn.

u cant even do anything without money with ib

and im not sure how many weeks or months it will take for a f2p player to get something from overworld

like anything at all

hows that not just for whales

[teal mural]

Yeah buying off the 2nd market

[weary bluff]

normal players, people that will not spend , will play the game only if they love it. they wont be that many.

and that should be the target if we want playerbase

[teal mural]

Then they can play the free version of the game

[weary bluff]

aaaaaand how does that help , for IZ ?

[teal mural]

You have to pay to get a pack of Pokémon cards rite? You have to pay to buy a Pokémon game rite? People play money all the time to but booster packs for mobile games rite! So people will pay for this too.

[hearty cradle]

isnt that pay to get?

[teal mural]

IZ if free to play too

[teal mural]

It’s the same as going to a Pokémon convention and buying Pokémon cards to play

[hearty cradle]

why wont there be many?

[teal mural]

But once again they could just play the free version and if they feel like they are good they might say hey I don’t mind spending $5 to try a T1 run in overworld

[weary bluff]

its just the type of game, theyre not played that much

[hearty cradle]

city builders?

[weary bluff]

well i was talkin bout overworld, but sure

that too

[teal mural]

If people played axie infinity they will play this 😂

[hearty cradle]

ser thats a pyramid

people play because of money

[hearty cradle]

do you play the arena?

[weary bluff]

axie got insane returns, not sure ilv can do the same

[tall crypt]

I am also 40 and I had to compensate my each scholarships with $50 due to the unexpected postponement 2 days before.
When I have the opportunity, I plan to take revenge and get out of the project in decent conditions.

[weary bluff]

ive tried it yeah, not rly my thing and its broken af

they cant seem to fix it

ppl abuse tf out of it

its definitely not ready

[hearty cradle]

you seems like legit gamer

[weary bluff]

its all i do.

[hearty cradle]

wht do u usually play

[tall crypt]

without the whales this project would not exist. They are like investors.

[weary bluff]

played league of kingdoms until recently, but got banned cuz theyre incapable of verifying who is cheating and who isnt, so if u understand the game and u play efficiently, u get banned

[weary bluff]

i totally understand, but the returns for them are insanely huge, while smaller investors like me with 1 t1 r fucked. and yes i agree that they should earn more, ofc. as i said i only have issue with storage in IZ. im fine with resource/fuel multiplier, thats fair

but me, having to spend 2 months just to upgrade storages so i can do 1 upgrade

is stupid

[hearty cradle]

gonna miss the old converter

[weary bluff]

if storages were equal for all tiers, whales would still take the same shit.

[teal mural]

I haven’t played any of my T1 so I didn’t know about that but they did say they will re-balance things if necessary

[weary bluff]

i believe they spoke about conversion rates and extractors.

no mentions about storage , ever.

[teal mural]

But that’s something we can just let them know and they can check it out. They are pretty good at answering the questions and getting back to us.

[tall crypt]

Well, you could play and catch bugs, that would speed up the start-up of IZ. Then think.

[weary bluff]

i agree, they do respond, but they have a vision about the game already, highly doubt theyll make storages fair.

thats been an issue since day 1 in iz

[hearty cradle]

auto chess is not my genre. overworld is okay for grinding, but i wont enjoy playing it. so far the most playable is IZ

[weary bluff]

exactly and even IZ is boring.

[hearty cradle]

tbh yes its far from web2 games

i only played it for a week

but isnt ILV still the best for web3?

[weary bluff]

there are few other titles that will fight for the crown, but ilv is definitely decent game

its how its managed that sucks

but hey, these dudes in charge understand web3 way more than me, maybe it wouldnt work otherwise

[tall crypt]

but since you can't play yet, you can't compete.
So it's not the best web3 game right now. When everything can be played on IZ, we'll see. Maybe the project will disappear sooner.

[teal mural]

Boring for now but remember we are only 2 years in and looking good. Once we finish the foundation then we can start on the really good stuff, like adding in battles between the land and multiplayer in overworld with rids and dungeons. Shit imagine a first person shooter game where depending on what type of skin you’re wearing gives you the type of weapons and abilities you can use in the battlefield, That would be super fun.

[weary bluff]

imo a game that sells shit thats not ready

meh

[teal mural]

The bull run will give us a lot of money to do a lot of development for the future. We look good now and by July next year we will definitely be ready for the bull run

Most games sell stuff but it’s about the items being affordable

But hey to each it’s own

[weary bluff]

the previous bull run's ilv price pump was what attracted investors most likely, do u think that next bull run will see 1700$ ilv? i dont think so.

hope im wrong tho, i got some 😄

[rancid iris]

Illuvium Zero Bot ♊️
@Illuviumlands
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🪸 Halcyon Sea (605,474) was just purchased for 0.07ETH (~$120.0)

🫅 Buyer: 0x50ef..0b83
📜 Lands Owned: 2
🧹 Tier 1 Floor: 0.264 ETH

Where to look to snipe these , is what I wanna know?..how/where to spot them ?

Even for a T1 its far below mintprice i would say?🤔

[weary bluff]

like 3-4-5 times less yes

could be a deal between friends or something 😄

[rancid iris]

Wish i had friends like that 😂

[teal mural]

It’s possible because they did what they said they was goin to do and people will have faith that they will finish the vision

[weary bluff]

its been 3 months with no progress whatsoever on iz, we just waiting

[vivid cipher]

What's the issue with storage on t1? I've got a t2 and a t1 and only really play on the t2 since the t1 is such a chore.

[weary bluff]

.

read below

[vivid cipher]

So the issue is experienced at high levels not early on? I never once upgraded a scanner.

[surreal arch]

Just got my first land plot what’s up guys?

[gloomy quarry]

And which are these titles? Anything thats out right now in web3 gaming or within 1-2 years of release is pure garbage. Nothing is close to the level of development or polish of ilv so far, so which are those titles? You can't compare web3 games to web2, thats just dumb at this point.

[dry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-one-of-us-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-23354367

verify your wallet at #🎫〕verify-asset and you will have access to land owners chat

you can now download Zero by connecting to the website with the wallet that owns the land

[surreal arch]

Done lets goooooooooooooooooo

is land going to reset with the start of season 1?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[surreal arch]

So now is just practice or should I be working towards somethibe before it starts

[radiant sky]

It's an Alpha, it's mainly for finding bugs and report them, but yes your benefit is just practice.

[surreal arch]

Ok thank you. I had been doing some reading on twitter and the like and saw something about blueprints but I guess thats coming with season 1.

[radiant sky]

Yes, you can't mint the blueprints you found during season 1 at the very end of season 1, before open Beta launches. It will be a minting window of a few weeks.

Keep in mind tho, there most likely will be a huge amount of Land minting those BP, so they most likely won't be worth much. It's more Kind of a "yay i got the very first blueprints ever Made"... For some it's worth much, for others not so much.

[surreal arch]

Okay

[grand sigil]

Does it mean im an illuviSTAR now?😎🤣

Am i doing it good?

Nexus 4, rest at lvl 3

Need carbon storage 4 now for 40k fee for quantum build lol

[teal mural]

Looking good!

[teal mural]

Welcome too the community, you are now a digital lord ( landlord ) 💪🏾

[teal mural]

The new VFX and the new market is progress. If it was easy then all the other web3 games would be building a AAA game on the same lvl and would be far along. It takes time. GTA been working on their game for how long and how big is their team. Session 1 is coming out this month.

[empty path]

I’ll just add that you can read the pinned messages what has been updated and when. This statement is completely wrong

[weary bluff]

yes at higher levels the resources required are insane , but thats not the issue, cuz an experienced player will setup his land in a proper way to get ready, but the storage upgrades will take shit ton of time and crazy amounts of fuel , ull hit limit gazillion times and waste shit ton of time. not to mention that u have to convert all the fuel for all these storages.

[weary bluff]

dont rly care what they say, i care what i see and how much i wait

wasnt s1 supposed to be here months ago?

[empty path]

I could explain but you don’t care.

[weary bluff]

correct. thats why lots of projects dont give exact dates, so they dont disappoint ppl

[teal mural]

If you know that then why complain if we are a little off! The community is asking for dates so they gave them to us with the understanding that it’s just an estimate

[surreal arch]

I always wanted to be a lord

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff im new to zero. But played strategy games qll my life. Building always take shit tonne of time.
I really dont care how long it takes for builds as long as is worth it in a long run

[weary bluff]

yes i also come from similar game as i said i played 1 year and 4 months and im not max

the point isnt in that, i like grinding. the point is that the way they have added "gameplay time"

is not efficient

ull see

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff well. Atm im at 3 8 12 mins waiting times l. I have a t1 so all is slow.
But for ex i dont have lake. So i built 10 lvl 2 converters for passive income haha. For now i dont need qll the land space.

But from my pov it should be near to impossible to have alla maxed. This isnt a sprint race. But a marathon. Just my 2 cents

[hearty cradle]

the game is over when u maxxed all right?

[grand sigil]

Does mtiple power stations help with times?

[vivid cipher]

Depends how you define game I guess.

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-laugh-lol-j-jonah-jameson-spiderman-gif-16031701

[weary bluff]

thats when it starts

[hearty cradle]

lol

[hearty cradle]

have u?

[radiant sky]

You already played it for 1 year and 4 months?

[weary bluff]

talkin bout other game 😄

[weary bluff]

iim not sure where i dropped iz

but i was pretty far ahead

havent logged in in 3 months cuz theres literally no point

what matters is the beginning, understanding how /what u should do first

[radiant sky]

Aah 😅

[weary bluff]

in what order

but i was racing with t3-t4 players with a t1 land, so .. 😄

[rotund forum]

It´s not THAT bad, as the converters have better conversion rates... and besides you can always try to make a megacity of it.

[weary bluff]

doesnt matter, u dont get the bonus on other lands

it is that bad.

converters are shit compared to extractors

in fact they can just remove converters from the game and let us trade resources/fuel without time/cost

would be probably much better

[tame root]

Just to clarify 🤣 am i able to take anything at all through from alpha to s1?

[weary bluff]

only knowledge

[tame root]

Resources / blueprints

[rotund forum]

I think it is interesting for any type of investor/player. You buy a T1 for 500$... you can´t expect to make millions out of that, but if you build up and focus on scanners... sooner or later you are going to get some nice blueprint and selling it you have your roi. And still can sell your plot or continue gaining over the years.

[tame root]

@weary bluff thanks mate

[weary bluff]

that is the goal, ppl with the right position on the map can develop their land and then sell it for high price

by the time u reach good schematics

the market will be flooded

with thousands

maybe more

[radiant sky]

Millions

[weary bluff]

not maybe, more.

yes.

[fading lava]

what

[weary bluff]

the more u guys make me think about it, the more i realize t1 is pointless to play

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-billions-money-cash-plenty-gif-10135114

[fading lava]

有中国人吗

[weary bluff]

but then again if you get lucky and take some unique high level schematic that nobody has, maybe u can get ur money back

cuz atm we r all behind

on our investment

[hearty cradle]

what if u have a t3/t4 to feed the t1s?

[weary bluff]

t1 can only be good for megacity, i dont see anything else

worth playing for

[tame root]

Whats the value of a megacity?

[hearty cradle]

bruh
i bought some token at $500

[rotund forum]

Are you sure? A megacity is not like 4 different plots, it´s just a 50x50 square with a different background. That is one of the perks I thought of having a megacity to begin with

[weary bluff]

i am sure

[weary bluff]

sorry to hear that bro, but theres ppl that bought on 1500+

so it could be worse

ilv pump made many ppl rich, but also that many lost shit ton of cash and now r stacking it, hoping that theyll be even some day

[hearty cradle]

thats just the most depressing thing i heard today

[weary bluff]

welcome to web3

[grand sigil]

So does having more power station counts? For reducing time?

[weary bluff]

stations only increase efficiency

the path helps with reducing time

[rotund forum]

not completely true. I was unfortunately forced to sell 2 plots and actually gained more than 50% from buying price (I did buy sILV2 on secondary market to mint the plots... but money is money).

[weary bluff]

u said it right, u were fortunate

also dont get me started on that silv2 scam that they puilled 😄

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[weary bluff]

idk if u were here during presale , so many ppl complaining that they didnt know, thbey bought with eth

felt robbed

😄

i also bought with silv2

[rotund forum]

1034.65$ I bought my first ones 🙈 on october 31st 2021

[hearty cradle]

[weary bluff]

i saw ilv at 70 $ or something, didnt buy, then it went 200, didnt buy, went 500, didnt buy, went 100, didnt buy

1000*

i was just watching it skyrocket

[quiet hare]

I don’t think this is possible. Can someone confirm ?

[weary bluff]

it is possible

u can transfer resources from plot to plot

u can also have megacity and use resources

[quiet hare]

But the mega city feature will not be released for season 1

[rotund forum]

only thing is when you have a full silo on a T3/4 you´ll need more silos on the T1 to receive it.

storage capacity is different for each tier

[quiet hare]

I asked a moderator not too long ago and he told me that it was not possible

[weary bluff]

mod doesnt mean that he understands the game

hes here to handle the server

[rotund forum]

not for season 1 but for beta public launch they will try to include it, and as it stands now, it is at the end of the list of releases in Q4 so think around Christmas... or spilling over into Q1 2024. (Then again I actually heard a council member say maybe Q2/3 2024 ... Let´s hope that was a typo 🫣 )

[weary bluff]

hahaha

yeah

7 years after presale

learn ur lessons guys, next time dont buy lands or whatever on presale, just buy it cheaper 1 year later

😄

we all felt so wise, buying on presale, buying with silv2

1 year later our money still sittin there

[radiant sky]

Considering developement in the past, we have almost mid year and pvp haven't even started it's betaphase... Q1/2 2024 sounds more realistic than q4 2023.
But i'm no dev, i know nothing

[weary bluff]

as long as theres other places to take money from, like ow or beyond

they already took the money from iz

we gonna be neglected

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff so what does "just increase efficiency" more rss for same time? Or?

[weary bluff]

yes iii did some calculations somewhere, but im not sure if they were post nerf or before the nerf

we got very nice people and very commited here they have done all the math and studied everything

buuut

unfortunately i dont know the links and i hardly remember their names

hahahaha 😄

[weary bluff]

basically above some % u get certain amount and u have that like 4-5 times

u can test it urself

move stations next to a fuel converter for example and check on what % it increases what ull get

make sure u place ur converters correctly, they affect each other too

also u can put stations between converters to get the most of the space u waste for them

this ss is from 17th feb

t1 plot

this is the last ss ive posted here

havent logged in since

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff how do converters affect eichother?!

[rotund forum]

I´m still entering 1 time a day, just 1 plot and still not maxed out. It is almost level 1400 now. It does take a lot of months to get there, I think 5-6 months

[weary bluff]

we had a head start with the other conversion rates, do not get fooled

it will be like triple the effort

on reset

[rotund forum]

yeah, I think it will also be slower, BUT I don´t know if you saw in overworld there are now these little snakes crawling and I think this is the manure to grow better the plants. But it all will cost money (maybe a T0 run you can catch them for free and use them in IZ), the alternatives are paying for coins or extra workers

[weary bluff]

yeah i dont rly like ow , but if theres a way to get worker

ill have to fucking play it

[rotund forum]

not a worker (that will cost Eth), but throwing those snakes or worms on the plants you´ll get maybe double

[weary bluff]

wellllllll u need like 7 spots distance i believe , so it doesnt drop efficiency

[rotund forum]

the plants you can farm

[weary bluff]

thats not bad i guess, but as u can see in the pics i posted

u dont get plants at some point

they havent done them properly

u need shit ton of free space to get plants

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff daaaaum

[weary bluff]

look here i am complaining bout not having plants for week

[rotund forum]

you need to actually build some kind of a garden ... I haven´t a square left either, but next run I am going to try to keep a place reserved for them, at least in the first few months

[weary bluff]

u cant on t1

u will need 15-20 storages

that alone cuts huge amount from ur plot

not rly sure, but we might have to cut efficiency from our scanners, so we can do something

pretty sure devs speed up shit and havent properly played the game

so they dont know the struggle

theres no way that some dev played for 1-2 months every day 12 hours a day instead of working on the game

[rotund forum]

just in the beginning maybe for getting max plants. I am not sure if I am willing to pay for an extra worker... it will completely depend on how much it is. Or coins... OR this manure (if people who play overworld and don´t own land sell it on marketplace cheap... might be interesting)

[weary bluff]

i aint payin shit either

i doubt theyll make the price reasonable

u got whales here that can pay

whatever

[potent dock]

It's a DAO, and feedback is an important part of the process. It could be worthwhile to consolidate your feedback about IL:Z on T1 plots specifically and make a post in #1020759212172775464 - This is the exact kind of thing that is of interest to the sub-councils.

[weary bluff]

ive done it, its pointless

[rotund forum]

yeah but look at the prices of illuvitars... this manure will be a common thing... and people will sell it maybe for cents

[weary bluff]

id rather just talk here with ppl and inform them what theyre gettin into

im done fixing games for free, you know

been there done that in multiple titles

[hollow shoal]

The team will take feedback and most likely take action on it.

[potent dock]

I must have missed your post there - We're actively transitioning to Gov V2, and I do think your feedback about T1 plot scaling is exactly the kind of thing that the sub-councils can present to the team.

I do need to point out that being relentlessly negative is the kind of thing that has an impact on everyone's morale, including the team, the mods, and the community, and it isn't a particularly productive way to incorporate feedback into the game.

I'm more than happy to help if you'd like help consolidating your thoughts and making a post.

[rotund forum]

I do consider it a privalege to be able to play before the launch... ok Zero just depends on whether you own a plot, but the other games I mean. I enjoy seeing it progress, with new features or more or better graphics before the actual games come out

[weary bluff]

well ive been talkin here for quite a while, if ure willing to gather the feedback

be my guest

[weary bluff]

bruh ive been hyping my homies bout this game for more than a year

made em buy plots n shit

only to make em lose money and wait 1 year

[rotund forum]

Yeah, @weary bluff you are definitely one of the most active players in Zero, the main idea is to report bugs or ideas at this stage. If they actually use it remains to be seen, probable not all but even if something is implemented it is worth it (well, that is my point of view anyway, I do report bugs and I see I get an email back with a personal reply, not some autobot reply)

[weary bluff]

i respect the team tbh, theyre building something that others wouldnt dare

[rotund forum]

Yeah, I know the situation (not in Illuvium, this time I kept it for myself), it sucks, but it is more a question of time rather than bad advice.

[weary bluff]

ppl have done the math bro, its better to buy ilv at 40$ than buying land

[potent dock]

I don't want to misrepresent your concerns - It seems like there are a few different points you're concerned about.

Firstly, you're concerned that T1 plots have issues with storage in the later stages of the game, particularly with regards to the amount of resources and time required to upgrade storage in order to afford the late game upgrades (like the final Scanner upgrade).

Secondly, (but related to the first point), you feel that having space for plants on a T1 plot is not feasible, due to the amount of space dedicated to storage and other structures.

Is there anything else major and/or actionable that you were concerned about?

[rotund forum]

but that is incorrect in a sense that even Aaron said this week... they are considering other formulas... so you can calculate all you want, but if they change the math... it is pointless for now

[weary bluff]

no if they fix these things ill be happy, suggest equal storage for all lands and let the higher tiers get their bonuses, but do not make us waste months to gather rss/fuel and waste time to upgrade storages

also plant shouldnt require that much space, u should be able to get 4 plants on

4x4 (1 power station)

or is it 1

idk how u guys

whatever u get me

ok maybe not 4 , but atleeeast 1 , if u have room for 1 power station

maybe it is 4, i should be able to get plants on these spots.

[rotund forum]

I also don´t see the point in different storage capacities. The boost in fuel production is logical but why squeeze the silo´s capacity for lower tiers? It will take a LOT of time to fill say 4 level 9 silos on a T1 if they are equal as T5.

[sage bough]

Anyone else bugged on "Build Element Converters" quest? It shows 2 of 3 but I have all 3 built.

[rotund forum]

maybe create some lesser value small bushes for 1x1 squares

[weary bluff]

whatever they want, im down

just not as it is

[weary bluff]

sorry i cant help : (

[timber glacier]

Plants take up a 2x2 space

[weary bluff]

hopefully not for long

and theres other factors involved

cuz i had more than 2x2 and waited a week

for 1 plant

[timber glacier]

It might be that it's rolling for location and then checking for free space, and only doing this a certain amount of times a day. And if you're unlucky (or have very limited space) they simply won't spawn within the number of tries it checks

[weary bluff]

thats what needs fixing

it should just find free spot and fkin spawn

its just another advantage for higher tier lands, cuz htey dont require that many buildings

and have more free space

[violet jackal]

When will be the alpha season for ILV zero released?

[hoary forge]

Plan is for the coming week. Check pin post.

[hearty cradle]

yea i told all of my friends back when it was $500 that this is the hidden gem. i never talk about crypto to anyone anymore.

[weary bluff]

😂

[hearty cradle]

i havent been playing, wdym equal storage for all lands? they have different capacities for different tiers?

[weary bluff]

yes

[hearty cradle]

1. what

wait

wtf

why?

[weary bluff]

to make whales buy more

[hearty cradle]

lv 1 storage of T1 is smaller thant lv 1 storange of T2?

[weary bluff]

yes t2 has 33% more storage

t3 has 100% more

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[weary bluff]

t4 300%

t5 900%

same goes for rss/fuel

[hearty cradle]

no

that cant be

[weary bluff]

ikr

ive been talkin bout this since i first launched iz

nobody else seems to care

[hearty cradle]

sorry but this is pretty dumb

[weary bluff]

yuuuup, thats why we need 7 hydrogen storages lvl 9 to build lvl 5 scanner

[hearty cradle]

and the requirement for upgrade is the same?

[weary bluff]

yes

all costs r same

u need 100 fuel for lvl 9 upgrade of 1 storage

wait i must have screenshots

[hearty cradle]

have u asked johnny?

[weary bluff]

bout what

[hearty cradle]

the storage

[weary bluff]

hes fully aware bout it

all of them are

[hearty cradle]

and what did he say?

[weary bluff]

they want t1 to be so bad that ppl buy higher tiers

[hearty cradle]

lol

seriously

[weary bluff]

well they wouldnt say it to ur face, but thats how it feels like 😄

[hearty cradle]

i have a bad feeling about this

[weary bluff]

😂

[hearty cradle]

this is not good

[weary bluff]

well blickter gathered my feedback, maybe theyll do something

but thats huge game changer and they wont wanna upset whales

so i doubt it

[hearty cradle]

do you know that i fought for blueprints tier?

[weary bluff]

wdym

[hearty cradle]

before the sale they said any plots tiers can find any illuvials tiers

T1 can find T2,3,4,5

during the sale they said no

[weary bluff]

😂

oh boy

[hearty cradle]

yea

it was like day 2 of the land sale

and everyone was like whaaaaat

[weary bluff]

i must have missed this convo

[hearty cradle]

then we argued againts it

and we got it back

can u imagine

T1 plot can only get T1 blueprints

[weary bluff]

look at this shit bro

u need 7 of these

for 1 upgrade

and u get like 30ish or so fuel per day , depends how much converters u have it can go up to 50

but then u gotta convert again and again

200 fuel is shit ton of time

[weary bluff]

yeah that would have killed the game fr 😄

the unsung heroes of ilv

[hearty cradle]

now i see why t1 price dropped so much

it's pretty much useless

[weary bluff]

yup thats why ive been talkin all day here and many times before

[hearty cradle]

IZ is a whales game

[weary bluff]

all of them r

beyond is for megalodons

[hearty cradle]

hard to imagine web2 gamers would onboard this

[weary bluff]

yup, thats why i said that they cant expect many ppl to pay to play and the ones that play for free wont be that many, just cuz the game is specific type

[hearty cradle]

i wouldnt play it for free

tbh

we got CoC

and others

oh man, i hope u can push things forward

[weary bluff]

well if any of the founders read what i said here , they might try to think bout it

cuz as much as it is voting and rainbows

its still shit 😄

the thing is that ppl that talk here are all with higher tier lands

and they dont feel it

if a t1 player comes here to defend stuff, he doesnt understand the game

[slate merlin]

I have a T1 and 2 T2 lands and I absolutely understand the game, thanks very much. I got all 45 blueprints on my 3 plots several weeks ago. So why don't you take a break and stop endlessly talking nonsense here.

[weary bluff]

thats what im talkin bout, if u understand the game u wouldnt call all this nonsense

[teal mural]

The roads help with time

[weary bluff]

but im not here to insult ppl or something, dont take it personal, im glad u enjoy the game

[grand sigil]

@teal mural yeah i figured that out i just built power stations around everything so i get more for same time lmao. And graduatly ill replace them when i need the space

[rancid iris]

I think the kind of T1 player you're talking about wouldnt have 2x T2 on the side..😏

[weary bluff]

: )

mal, scroll up and read the points that i made, dont catch my last 2 sentences and answer to them

yes i am a bit rough, but i am also fair.

[slate merlin]

Except that having additional land means nothing right now, nothing can be shared between plots, I ran my T1 just fine.

[weary bluff]

and you developed your land to max level , including scanners, labs and storages?

cuz those were the points i made earlier

gettin blueprints with lvl 1 scanner is the easiest shit in the game

its not an achievement

[slate merlin]

Yes, everything to max level, but obviously it took much longer on T1. It felt like an achievement to me.

[weary bluff]

well if u made 7x lvl 9 hydrogen storages to upgrade lvl 5 scanner

it is a fucking achievement and i tip my hat to you

[teal mural]

They did say they will be rebalancing things. I only played on my t3 for practice didn’t thank it was a need to play on my other types of land. thought the boost only related to fuel but I guess it’s a overall % boost to the whole tier. Which is understandable, I mean if you want better efficiency buy a higher tier

[hollow shoal]

Have we heard on anything in regard to the earnings changes? About to check the IIP channel.

[weary bluff]

yes ofc, but storage increase for lower tiers wouldnt affect whales thaat much, sure , lower tiers will have easier time developing, but theres no way to develop faster than high tier, we just dont get the same amounts of rss/fuel. for example even you with t3 will need 4lvl 9 hydrogen storages : p

[wary notch]

Yeah Aaron said he was going to make a proposal

And gave some clues that it was about fuel

Has anyone heard anything new regarding that?

[high sleet]

Send me a message

And I'll see what I can do

[floral locust]

I think he is waiting for someone to crack his cryptic message lol

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-gif-5440327

[teal mural]

Understandable!

How much land do one need to hold to be a whale ?

[hollow shoal]

Would a tier system of participation be useful? To incentivize people to build up/use their land.

[sage bough]

Does increasing marketplace efficiency do anything? Or using roads?

Also did ZPT ever get finished?

[subtle frost]

has the season started?

[sage bough]

Not yet

[subtle frost]

okay.. just checking

[hollow shoal]

Should be end of the week. Keep an eye out if day Wednesday or Thursday for news if they do it the day before like overworld.

[subtle frost]

Thanks

[spring void]

It didn't sound imminent as he was still working out the details on at least one of the pieces of the puzzle

[hearty cradle]

been a year

[amber atlas]

This is totally wrong and has never been the case, Blueprint Tiers are tied to Research Lab Upgrade Level, so certainly more painful on T1 to get to the required levels, but also certainly not impossible

its possible a founder or other senior person said this, believe it or not people who work in the business don't necessarily know every aspect of the game design, Kieran also can't process C# or Solidity very well

Aaron might have got this wrong too although it would be surprising

[amber atlas]

it is supposed to be hard (which in this context means time consuming or expensive, pick one) the goal is not to have every one max out everything really easily

[weary bluff]

isnt that what fuel/rss boosts are for ?

limiting storage is unnecessary

it just makes the game unplayable after certain stage

on t1

try if u want, u have access, i can give u screenshot of my land, put everything as it is on my land and start developing further

lets see how u feel bout storage or space on the land

[amber atlas]

limiting storage is a key balancing factor in the game

[weary bluff]

by 900%

?

[amber atlas]

that doesn't mean everything is balanced, this is literally the Alpha

so we might need to tweak some stuff, even in Open Beta there will be tweaking

but we also want pressure to make tough decisions about how you use your space and Fuel

[weary bluff]

i mean, the very minimum should be the t3 storage

t1 is just.. forcing u to do unnecessary things

[amber atlas]

But why do you expect a T1 can be easy to max out?

Why is it not okay if it takes you 2 years to do so?

(assuming no speed-ups/Fuel purchases)

[weary bluff]

im not asking for it to be easy, im saying its just weird to need 7x lvl 9 storages which would take months to do, just to do 1 upgrade on scanner, thats for 1 scanner, what if i wanna have 30 ?

in games there must be some movement, progress

i cant be stuck on storage upgrades for 2 months

or atleast let us somehow , idk, take less space than that? 20 storages is too much space on 1 land

15ish ok, not 20

[amber atlas]

that point is quite reasonable, 20 to 15 is only a 25% reduction, which for an Alpha is not really a big deal

not to mention there are other game features in the Open Beta

(and upgrading scanners doesn't matter at all in Alpha)

[weary bluff]

well we do need to see how the game will work, thats what the alpha is for

[amber atlas]

exactly, and we frequently talk about making life easier for T1 owners

[weary bluff]

a t3 player would need 4 storages for that specific upgrade, which means that a t3 player will need about 10 storages total, for rss only

[amber atlas]

the original converter settings, then replaced with marketplace, are examples of making changes to cater for T1

[weary bluff]

that is very reasonable imo

but 7..

[amber atlas]

if you think the current build is harder imagine it pre marketplace and with converter settings 10x lower than current

[grand sigil]

@amber atlas i must say.... after 15 mins of play i already had storage issues. Upgrades takes more than max storage of 1 building. And you cant up that cuz requirements not meet...
In order to up storage, you need to up another building that vosts more than max storage hahahhahahha.
So this storege limits affects t1 badly

[amber atlas]

the expectation is that you build a lot of storage

as you eventually max out you can kill some of it

[hearty cradle]

im glad we cleared this up. would appreciate if the team disclose the % chance table

[amber atlas]

but in any case I'm not arguing that storage is tweaked right

[grand sigil]

@amber atlas yeah... than you are restrigted of growing at a decent pace cuz max building limit reached lmao

[weary bluff]

cant, because ull want more scanners on t1

fuel farming is useless there unless u play afk

and collect once a day

or something

[amber atlas]

remember the target for the game was about 15 minutes of play per day

(once built out)

[next juniper]

It’s a t1 land. You cannot expect much more or else the other lands need to increase even further.

[weary bluff]

im not asking to make millions of a t1, im asking for a reasonable gameplay

higher tiers would still have insane advantages

and increased storage

just sayin the bare minimum feels like the t3 storage

[amber atlas]

higher tiers are supposed to have a large advantage

[weary bluff]

yes ofc

[next juniper]

T1 is meant to take longer. A 15 minute assignment. It’s not meant for you to be starring at the timer all day.

[weary bluff]

i agree

[amber atlas]

if I pay 50k for something I roughly expect i get 100x better stuff than the thing I paid $500 for

[weary bluff]

ofc, ofc, but that comes with rss/fuel boosts, doesnt it

2x the amount of t1 storage wouldnt break the game

increase more for higher tiers if u have to

[next juniper]

I don’t think you understand that progression for a t1 land is not suppose to be on the same level as the other lands.

[weary bluff]

it cant be

not sure how u see it same

if i talk bout storage

for example, a t4 with 300% storage boost would still need 3 storages for lvl 9 scanner

[amber atlas]

in any case making your point by calling people names, is maybe not the best way to do it, a well reasoned, data-backed submission to the feedback site would be much better way to get heard in a way designers will see

[weary bluff]

t3 will need 4

[grand sigil]

I supposed times for upgrading and storage cap is same for all tiers right? Just higher tiers have more space hence can geow faster?

[weary bluff]

wait did i ?

[amber atlas]

this is not fianalised, but its expected to be a bonding curve much like Illuvials in the Overworld, plan is to put the details through ICCP before Open beta

[sand bone]

what is roughly price of one land nft at this point for farming fuel? i assume from info i gathered tier 1 land is cheapest

[next juniper]

Right. Progression to maxing out buildings is faster.

[weary bluff]

500$ atm t1

no storage cap isnt same for all tiers

time for upgrading is

[sand bone]

can i get info on all lands somewhere,like numbers difference 😅

[weary bluff]

https://illuvium.io/news/51-illuvium-land-sale-explained

[sand bone]

thank you !

[grand sigil]

So higher tiers have higher caps? Thats bs. Lol.

[weary bluff]

it is a way to balance the difference in price, but im saying that t1 is too low atm. and i realize equal storages would mooost likely be unfair, but it to have 1/5 of ur land useless cuz of storages is weird

[amber atlas]

it was literally published in all the documentation about the sale so its not BS, its literally what the things are, is it 'BS' that two different model cars from the same manufacturer have different performance characterisitics?

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff yeah. T1 = half land occupied by storage🤣

[weary bluff]

increased rss/fuel and efficiency is what makes the big difference

storages just overcomplicate it

[grand sigil]

@amber atlas i didnt said it wasnt specified. But all these stats should be boosted up inside land. Not being higher by default.

[weary bluff]

not to mention that ure aaaaaaalways on the edge with t1, like after u do upgrade, ure on 0 rss of certain type

and some rss or fuel are more used than others

[amber atlas]

What does that even mean? Higher by default?

When you build a storage structure in a higher tier land it has more capacity

Lore wise these sites have characteristics which make it easier to work with the given Fuels

[weary bluff]

at certain point, you need so much rss/fuel that ull have to build many converters to just make enough to have for the next upgrade in 4/8 hours or whatever amount of time takes the upgrade

but when that happens, when u put up longer upgrade, u reach cap in few hours and then just collect for no reason , cuz ure capped and u cant do anything

with 12+ hour upgrade

so its either u gather rss/fuel slowly and have storage or u dont have storage and u have too much rss

[grand sigil]

I disagree a little. Im not playing for long now... but to need to build half of the land with storage just to make an upgrade...
And of course you are part of the team. Is your job to argument for current conditions. But that doesnt mean you are right.

This storage cap break tye fun of wanting to be hyperactive on game.

[weary bluff]

the balance is lost after maybe nexus 7-8 idk

its been a while

[grand sigil]

@amber atlas and dont get me wrong. I like and want to play no matter. Is just is a huge setback for active players.

[weary bluff]

yes, dont build the game for afk players

thats not the p2e way

[amber atlas]

the game was literally designed from the start for AFK players

I know, I designed it

[weary bluff]

i understand

u make it for whales to collect once a day

[amber atlas]

it has been said since the start that there will be some early benefits to grinding (which you can alternatively get by paying)

[weary bluff]

not for tryhards

[amber atlas]

and given the popularity of playing 'actively' we are looking at new features to add

for example something that has been in the 'one day' pile for a very long time is structure expansions

(literally in the first GDD)

the idea here is you cna add small expansions to structures to change the way they behave

for example if you want to play more actively you add an expansion that changes the harvest times to 10x more frequently in response for extra rewards in the same period

[weary bluff]

as i said , its not just about the space those 7 lvl 9 storages will require, its the time wasted for those upgrades too, the fuel needed, the rss needed. storages aint cheap, u need 200 fuel for 1 upgrade from lvl 8 to lvl 9, how long do u think its taking to get 200 fuel on t1

[amber atlas]

another person might build an expansion that lets Fuel collect for 7 days, at the cost of a loss of productivity

but for the active players we want to add more active features like 'raids' feature which I think is pinned here (or maybe in old thread)

---

the key point is that they are not Open Beta v1.0 features

[grand sigil]

@amber atlas for ex now i can build singularity scanner... but i need 20 storage at lvl 4. For hydrogen. At a 30 building limit. And all are connected in such a way that you cant upgrade qnything without upping storage... not even mines to afk as you say. So i log every now and than. I gotta stay every 3 to 10 mins to collect. Nothing else

[amber atlas]

expansions probably wont take too long, raids much farhter away

[hearty cradle]

production bonus make sense, but
i dont agree that storage cap varies between plot tiers make sense for the lore. i know, i dont know about the lore and its a science fiction. but how come T4 land store more efficiently? They are the same buildings as in T1

[vivid cipher]

It’s the elements/fuels being less volatile

[amber atlas]

for Fuels it can easily make sense lore wise (the elements don't necessarily consume much physical space at all, its the equipment to contain them), Aaron is the lore guy though ...
... but you have played a game before ... obviously some suspension of belief is required

[hearty cradle]

and it wasnt mentioned in the IZ IIP too. The IIP just mentioned production bonus

[grand sigil]

Exactly. Storage might be boosted for higher tiers with bonuses. Not by default

[weary bluff]

dont forget that we just talk about rss storage atm

you also need lots of buildings for fuel storage

which take even more space

[amber atlas]

IIP is by its nature very high-level it doesn't cover the details of the game design, it was in the material that came out before the sale

[weary bluff]

so it goes up to 1/4 of ur land just for storage

[bitter glade]

A wizard did it.

[hearty cradle]

but they are the same elements and fuels being traded with other tiers

[subtle shell]

Perhaps that could be improved with megacities.

[weary bluff]

whale alert

[grand sigil]

In fact i dont really care about other tiers.... lmao... is just i feel game does everything possible to stop you from growing at a faster pace on a t1 lol

[subtle shell]

Well. I just also think that someone who pays more should ultimately also have more advantages.

[weary bluff]

it has to be fair, so rss/fuel/efficiency is vital for higher tiers, id agree on storages too, im just sayin t1 cap is too, too low.

[hearty cradle]

stop being poor ser

[amber atlas]

You build a storage site which has 100 CONTAINMENT POWER UNITS ... on land where the elements are in a lower energy state that lets you store 100 thingy-bops, on a bit of land that has a higher energy state that lets you store 400 thingy bops

it makes perfect sense

[grand sigil]

Explain what you mean please

[amber atlas]

and also there are hundreds of things that don't make sense in this and many other games if you apply the laws of physics from our real world

[weary bluff]

hahahaha hes one of us, hes sayin that u should buy more , so u can play properly

[grand sigil]

Id probably will... after i see how this goes. I have in big time over 10k assets at super low market floor now... buying isnt an issue... worthing is lol

[hearty cradle]

they are the exact fuel/elements that are being traded with other tiers. You are saying T1 fuels and elements have lower energy density? Because the plot is more unstable?

[weary bluff]

the way t1 is made atm is that, the best possible use of it is megacity

and we aint all whales

i mined ethereum for 6 months to buy this land

hahahaha

[amber atlas]

no I'm saying when they are moved to the other plot they go to a higher energy state and are able to be stored more efficiently

[hearty cradle]

get rich and buy T4, its a whales game

[amber atlas]

in any case you can debate the nuances of the lore with Aaron, its really simple T4 stores more

its not really an effective use of time to argue about what can't be changed

[weary bluff]

thats alright, boost em even more, but increase the cap for t1

[amber atlas]

I think its better to address this in others ways

having the same numbers used for each calculation is far easier to understand

but the end goal of making T1r a bit more livable at higher levels is quite reasonable

[hearty cradle]

we can IIP to make storage cap the same for all plot tiers

[amber atlas]

as is the support for players who wish to be more active

[weary bluff]

they would still be the same. keep the 300% bonus for t4 for example, but increase the base

[amber atlas]

sure that's why I said 'other ways'
there are lots of levers to address this, raising the base storage is one

[weary bluff]

i told u yesterday, thats not possible

whales will be too upset

will sell tf out of lands

if the base amount that u can store?(im still sleepy) in the building is 2x and ppl still get their tier bonuses

i dont think anyone will complain

[amber atlas]

you know we have spent 45 minutes talking about nothing right? the summary of 'storage feels too limiting on T1 particularly at high higher levels, can the team look to address this as part of balance changes" covers pretty much everything

[grand sigil]

Is storage cap affected by path or something?

[weary bluff]

blickter gathered that info and i assume he passed it on

[weary bluff]

by nothing

[amber atlas]

I guess this is where game sub council comes in now

you can also work with them to elaborate your concerns

[hearty cradle]

i dont think they play much iz ser

[weary bluff]

no no no

councils are whales

they wont understand

[amber atlas]

I don't think they all hold lots of IZ land

[weary bluff]

any kind of disadvantage for lower tiers is good news for higher tiers

theyll make more money

[amber atlas]

in any case, I'm out, your concerns are noted

[weary bluff]

whos gonna fk himself up

[empty path]

They aren't

[amber atlas]

(parting words, anyone with T1 land is a massive whale compared to free to play users... you are a whale already 😉 )

[hearty cradle]

they are not

game sub councils are ex pro players and players

they broke

[weary bluff]

u guys also have to understand that maybe many of them havent even played iz, not to mention on t1

[hearty cradle]

and they are arena players

[weary bluff]

they focus on arena/ow

[hearty cradle]

yea

[weary bluff]

so their opinion.. doesnt rly matter to me

[hearty cradle]

maybe it's time for game sub-sub council

[grand sigil]

Lol... i cant cancel the airdrop from nexus... thats dumb... im stuck for another 8 hrs with upgrade now...

[weary bluff]

you can

go in activities

on day 1 i sped it up, didnt know. 😄

would be cool if they add some guide or something, cuz ppl that just start cant rly know everything thats possible

in the game itself, not yt video

also that air drop is useless af , unless ur land is dead dead dead without ways to get any rss

so it should come with 17 warnings of what ure bout to do

[grand sigil]

@weary bluff thanks🍻

[lyric hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[weary bluff]

ilv devs when they focus on beyond

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-cost-little-maneuver-51years-51-gif-24426899

[bitter glade]

You can feel free to make a competing product if you want. After all, if making a multi game interoperable blockchain ecosystem is easy there are surely dozens to choose from. 🙂

We’ve definitely gone slow at times but the Zero team started as literally one person and Johnny. The team is much better now.

[weary bluff]

hahaha i was just joking, i know what u guys r trying to do is first of its kind , i respect the team, ive said it multiple times

; p

[bitter glade]

I am joking too. Wait, I never joke. I'm... something-ing.

[weary bluff]

hahahaha : )) no i know, im a bit rough at times, but we do need ppl like me ;3

[neat salmon]

yea it was hard, just kidding

[hearty cradle]

what if theres staking for land? yield ILV while waiting

[bitter glade]

You're still fishing for my IIP and whitepaper. But it won't come until after I've done some other things. Still working on Arena for a few more weeks.

[sand bone]

@weary bluff so you guys had only one land sale with 20k lands sold put of 100k ? if that so,next land sales will be available in future when game releases?

[weary bluff]

iiiiiiif its needed

[vagrant heron]

It will most likely be after 2 years or so. Depends on the need for land once the game is fully released

[weary bluff]

could take years until next land sale

could be never

im hoping there will be another, cuz i wanna sell fully developed lands to new whales that will get instant maxed megacity

to play with

[vagrant heron]

So it might make sense to scoop up those cheap plots if million players would go for those 20k plots

[sand bone]

so if i understand this,zero is fuel for overworld,eather you play it or sell fuel to other players,not yet sure what is illumium beyond in this system

arena is playing with your deck against oponents right

[weary bluff]

beyond has nothing to do with the other games at all i believe, its just something on the side to make money from

[weary bluff]

cant advise u on investments, cuz things could go bad .. or great

also zero makes only 5% of the fuel, ow will print 95% out of thin air

and yes arena is playing with your deck which you improve or build from zero and ow, if im not mistaken

[sand bone]

what do you mean ow prints fuel?

[sand bone]

do you need also beta pass for beyond or it s playable?

lots of questions but trying to catch up some things,if you get bored of answering tell me 🤣

[weary bluff]

i am not sure if beyond is playable at all, not sure how it works, its the game i hate the most in ilv 😄

[weary bluff]

i mean that lands will only supply 5%, basically what we sell is multiplied by 19 or something

20

so for every 1 fuel u put in market , the market gets 20, idk

what i dont like is that u must stake ilv to get those 5% revdis , im actually not sure how it works, but thats how i understood it

if i own a land i should get my % without anything else

it should go directly in my wallet , cuz i invested

[sand bone]

yeah but it s still 100% cuz if you shut it down would be 0 🤔 okay i will dig for a bit,i would like to test game anyways before investing ,so i am not in hurry,but game looks good

[sand bone]

you stake illuvians to release fuel and put it on market?

[flat steeple]

You think Land owners will get some Beta Keys to give out? 🤣

[weary bluff]

no , u stake $ilv that has nothing to do with the game or investments in thegame

if i understand it correctly ofc

[sand bone]

ilv is a coin? 😅

[weary bluff]

yup

[sand bone]

so if you have lands you cant use them properly untill you add up some coins that s wierd

[empty path]

👀

[weary bluff]

no u just dont get the 5% of the money the game makes, if you are owner

its weird, its not made properly imo

i thought whoever owns land will get piece of those 5%

[flat steeple]

If you own land you get 5% percent if you sell fuel

If you own ILV and stake it. You gain the redivs of a % of fuel sold

[weary bluff]

exactly, the most stupid shit ive heard in my life

u dont support the ppl that invested, u support ppl that just stake and dont play the game

its an insult imo.

its why me and the homies invested actually

we thought .. land owners will get shit

[bitter glade]

I am glad you said "I believe" because you are definitely wrong on that one. All games will interlink.

[bitter glade]

Again, you are wrong.

[weary bluff]

please explain then, im happy that ure here to make it clear

do land owners get something out of revdis

without staking ilv

[flat steeple]

Staking is investing tho…I do agree that land owners should get more than 5% don’t get me wrong.
People by land and are expected to work on said land to gain “fuel”
Might as well be a passive fuel income at that point. The insensitive is finding BP for working on land tho.

[bitter glade]

I'm too busy. Just want to mark out that you're answering people like you know what is happening when you clearly don't. Hopefully others don't see "it's the stupidest thing ever" and think it somehow relates to what we are actually doing.

[bitter glade]

Why should they get more than 5%? That was the agreed amount. I mean, it can be changed if there is enough support, but I very much doubt there is. Because it would change the value proposition. People who buy land or ILV are not more or less "deserving" than each other.

In any case I'm trying to put together something I think would be amazing for all, relating to land and ILV. I'll let you all know when it the time comes. However, I don't hold a lot of hope that it will stop the misinformation.

[weary bluff]

so do land owners get something from revdis?

me without staking with 1 t1, am i gettin something from the profits of the game

[empty path]

Yes

[sand bone]

that s like in real world,you guys are like farmers,farming for your lord(people that staked coin) they have clean hands not doing anything 🤣

[blissful storm]

are you using "invested" as "time investment" or "$ investment"? If it's $ I don't see how you can say people who stake didn't invest...

[weary bluff]

i thought revdis is exclusively for land owners.

[radiant sky]

Thats actually pretty accurate 😆

[sand bone]

but only one question,is it paid in fuel or ilv?those 5%

[empty path]

You sell your fuel for ETH

[flat steeple]

I agree it can be changed. The change only comes from those that have a say ($ILV Owners) and stand to gain from land owners keeping that 5% only. Not much to change if one side has more of gain from the start. Just saying
I know you’re a person who listens. This isn’t me shit talking, so please don’t take my text in a negative tone. I own $ILV & land.

[weary bluff]

?

that is extremely unfair, the people that build and support the game and RUN the game

do not get anything

[empty path]

Again, you get 5%

[weary bluff]

we gave those $

its literally saying to ILV stakers

where is land mentioned

[radiant sky]

5% of the fuel sales

[blissful storm]

and who do you think supported ILV before there was even a game?

[sly summit]

Very funny that you complain so much when you have absolutely no idea lol

[empty path]

You are mixing up different stuff and making it true in your own mind

[weary bluff]

i am talking about revdis

ure talking about selling fuel

so talk about what im talking about

[empty path]

You asked if land owners can earn 😅

[weary bluff]

pls dont talk to me fraggy or atleast read before u talk

[blissful storm]

land owners don't get revdis. That's for stakers

[empty path]

With pleasure, have a nice day

[weary bluff]

yes that is what im saying that isnt fair.

we run the game

[flat steeple]

@weary bluff Land is for the purpose of selling fuel tho & playing the game.
$ilv is the purpose of redivs and voting

[blissful storm]

again, who do you think it supported ILV even before there was a game?

also I see you have been here since Jan 2022 so you should have known revdis was for stakers

[ruby perch]

Hello guys I am may be lost but any update for the real starting date to collect fuel and sell it ?

[bitter glade]

I'm just trying to understand. ILV holders saying 'make it 2%' would be shitty. Keeping it "only 5%" is exactly and perfectly fair because that's the amount listed when the sale happened, and ever since.

Making it any other number would be simply stupid. ILV holders effectively sold 5% equity for nothing in order to gain the value from the sales and from the hyper it would bring to the game.

[blissful storm]

by Friday this week

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-pump-the-breaks-gif-11355830

[ruby perch]

Thank you

[empty path]

Selling fuel won't happen until open beta, this is planned for Q4 atm

[empty path]

No

[cyan dew]

When is illuvium 0? In 10 years?

[blissful storm]

"collecting" BP yes

selling fuel not anytime soon

[empty path]

He asked collecting fuel, didn't mention BP

[empty path]

No date announced yet, according to the roadmap it should be earlier

[blissful storm]

oh man.. true 🙂

[ruby perch]

Collecting fuel is already cool tho

[blissful storm]

I didn't associate collect with fuel lol

[ruby perch]

So we can start to sell correct ?

[blissful storm]

not fuel

we are gonna collect the initial blueprints

[ruby perch]

Ok next week this is the rush to the blueprint ?

[blissful storm]

but quite sure we will have time to get them all

[ruby perch]

Ok

[blissful storm]

there will be a minting window at the end of season 1

[flat steeple]

Works out 🤣 🍻

[blissful storm]

so I am quite sure you don't have to set up alarms to wake up in the middle of the night to gather resources and setup scans 🤣

[hoary forge]

Wrong. Earning by selling fuel starts with public beta.

[blissful storm]

yup yup, being discussed above 🙂

[bitter glade]

The last problem could be more correctly stated as "Not only is everyone an idiot, but also nobody can agree on anything in this space because the sole factor in any decision made by anyone is "what's in it for me specifically" and people would rather not come to an agreement even if it means a boost for everyone if they think someone else MIGHT get a bigger boost than them.

I could be cynical there though. Maybe you guys will surprise me. I love you idiots. I'm one of you.

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-drink-to-that-desmin-borges-wilson-wilson-utopia-cheers-gif-18585716

[hearty cradle]

cant wait for the iip

[weary bluff]

i still think it makes no sense not to give % of the earnings to the people that literally bought the lands and run the game

and just to some random whale stakers

most of which are probably on the team