🎮〕illuvium-zero

[little moon]

look at the "inside star citizen" format. they've been refining it for a lot of years now. suggest to your peers they do smth similar

[dire pier]

Thats because star citizen is a grift relying on fooling investors into pouring more money in. ILV invests their time/resources a bit differently.

[potent dock]

Speaking as a mod, you need to take it easy. Attacking people when you don't understand the situation isn't respectful at all - If you have questions, you should ask those questions. Jumping to conclusions because you didn't bother to read is cringe.

Speaking as a council member, this delay was for the marketplace feature, and had nothing to do with sILV2. The team wanted to include the marketplace before Alpha S1, and wanted to be able to test the marketplace before releasing it to the public.

Speaking as an individual, I'm so incredibly far from being a sILV2 whale. You better have some data to back it up if you're gonna start throwing around accusations like that.

If you're referring to the mention of webGL for iOS in the last meeting notes, the council did request information about when webGL for iOS could be added for IL:Z. That didn't have anything to do with the delay to add marketplace, it was literally just a question we wanted an answer to.

[dire pier]

Blickter whens your bday i got new bedsheets for u

[potent dock]

I unironically love those and my bday is relatively soon haha

Maybe I just had too much soy though. 🤷

[slim wigeon]

so much better if you have ens to find each other but still most don t have it🥲

[heady beacon]

I think you can also make offers in immutascan.io

[rancid lion]

I will have you know I eat a lot of soy and I have an Android

[tall crypt]

People are very burned with the behavior of Illuvium. I don't think it's right to postpone the launch without giving a convincing explanation 1 day before. They had known this for some time that it would have to be postponed.
He has ridiculed the YouTubers, who interviewed people close to Illuvium and at no point did they say that there was something that didn't work. Given that social networks and You Tube have gone silent. They are expected to rule on this bucket of cold water this weekend. What I find embarrassing is that they haven't given a release date for Illuvium Zero. I think Illuvium Beyond should be discontinued, people are suspicious. They should focus on actually developing the game.

I have to endure ridicule from friends and family for trusting a platform that is not honest. If the game wants to be a triple A it has to be in all aspects and they have to take care of those who have wasted the game and been deceived. We have been waiting since July.
However, I observe how there are representatives of the social networks who cencuser and ban indefinitely users who give their opinion and go against the interests of Illuvium.
I used to have 53 lands, but now I have 47 of which I am selling 20. I sold the sILV2 I was accumulating to buy D1sks Illuvium Beyond. I had made contracts with users to play the lands that I would not use by offering 0'03$/exp. Now I will have to pay them without making a profit.

WE WANT A NEW DATE.

[low river]

I hope the devs don't listen to this guy. Don't rush the game devs, make a polish and good experience without bugs and/or exploits.

[tall crypt]

YOU ALL SEE IT. whenever someone criticizes something in the game, a disqualifying user comes out. There is not much democracy and respect for different opinions. What do you think they will give you a pass to access Illuvium Overworlds or ARENA by kissing illuvium.

[tall crypt]

by the way. do you have land have you spent money?, me more than $100,000.

[tropic saddle]

Haha, so you are just complain about delays, first time in the NFT gaming world?

Did you miss the part where they said why it is delayed?

You are paying people to play your lands in Alpha? That seems odd, how are you going to make money?

[rancid lion]

rushing season 1 alpha doesn't mean open beta comes any quicker. if they release alpha S1 today, it doesn't mean you get revenue any quicker. so what is your rush?

at landsale nobody ever gave a date that open beta would launch and provide revenue. if you bought thinking you would have revenue very quickly you did not do your research appropriately.

I think it would be massively foolish to rush the games out the door, potentially ruining their reputation, and cause a loss of future revenues simply because some investors didn't do their homework and are upset. Feel free to voice your concerns, but if your opinions run contrary to the reality of how the gaming industry operates, prepare to be called out on it.

[tropic saddle]

It doesn't make any sense, why would he buy 53 lands and start paying people to play them in Alpha. Sounds like this guy is just trolling.

[low river]

I dont care how much money do you have spent. Ask your mother, maybe she will care. All I want is a good game experience.

If that means the season gets delayed so be it

[low river]

I already have access to illuvium overworld and arena breh. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. Some people may or not agree with you.

I also LOL when he called me disqualified user when I have the tag “ilv holder” and “land owner” and he does not have any of those

[rancid lion]

I think what they meant by disqualifying is someone that comes out to argue against the criticism.

[low river]

Oh ok thanks.

[tall crypt]

ILLUVIUM said the game would be released in July 2022.
PROBLEM: Illuvium has not released the game as planned. This delay will lead to the failure of illuvium Beyond and in the month of April people will withdraw money from stakings and the price of ILV will collapse. I am not selfish and I am sensitive to the problems of the whole community. Instead you, and mock the users who spent $72 million on land. You are not interested in them, you are only interested in playing. If you tell me what your problem is, I might be able to help you. I remind you that it is the adult chat Illuvium Zero.

[rancid lion]

Incorrect. They talked about the first iteration of alpha PROBABLY 6-8 weeks after landsale, but then decided to improve graphics quality.
What you have now is what they talked about releasing last year.

[low river]

Bro, if the game is a success investor will come. You are asking the devs to release a half baked game for no reason. If no one wants to play this game the lands you own will worth 0 dollars. Is it that hard to understand?

[tall crypt]

I told you July because I already included the 4-6 weeks since July. I find it acceptable that it was delayed until January, but since they said the game would be released on February 21st, there shouldn't be any further delays. the only thing the Illuvium Zero launch announcement has achieved is doubling the price of ILV tokens.
I insist that they have not given a convincing explanation and neither have they given a new date. I also think that users like me who have been involved since the beginning do not have access to play in ARENA or OVERWORLD, is a disgrace.
It is also that I express my disappointment with the situation and try to neutralize me by jumping on the neck of users (such as you) who never dare to criticize, they find everything fine. Notice that since the 21st, all the You Tubers who come out every 6 hours talking about Illuvium's news, haven't released any videos or posts. They are in a state of shock, they are not able to criticize the placement, but they quietly say nothing.

[severe sparrow]

You need to get a bit more sleep mate 😂

[rancid lion]

How do you not have access to arena or overworld? They've literally been giving beta out like candy to anyone over level 5 on here.

What do you think S1 alpha being released does for you that you're so upset about it?

[tall crypt]

this is an excuse. For how long do I feel this.

[low river]

You need to verify your assets and you can get access in less than one day . At least it was for me. https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1043838185446330388

It seems i cannot link the channel hopefully the mods can help

[hoary forge]

@tall crypt go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out that form. you get a email in the next days with the code

[potent dock]

If you want to be upset about Alpha S1's release date being pushed back, that's reasonable. No one is trying to stifle your opinion. I'm just pointing out that showing up with your guns blazing asserting things that aren't true without doing research isn't a constructive way to bring criticism forward. iPhone users are not "soibois", they are a portion of the addressable market for IL:Z, and they are also land owners. That's neither here nor there with regard to Alpha S1 getting pushed back, but it's not a productive way to bring criticism forward.

It's completely reasonable to ask for communication further in advance of a delay. It's unreasonable to assert that the delay was because the council was (somehow?) going to profit by adding a delay using our allegedly massive bags of sILV2. Just keep it constructive and to the facts.

[tall crypt]

To meet you in the dream.

[tall crypt]

If the moderators come, they will ban me for saying what I think.

[low river]

No…. Thats not true.

[rancid lion]

Literally had lead moderator in here replying to them the whole time lmao

[void raft]

@tall crypt I share some of your concerns.
As an investor, I dont like delays at all...
I dont think we need this perfect 8K graphics or whatever, we need the game asap, otherwise people will get tired of waiting and just simply move to other projects...
We should have been testing this marketplace functionality long time ago, not now like few days before season 1...
I really dont like that ILZ will be pushed further away because of Illuvitars
And I also agree, that if someone here expresses his/hers concerns then they are laughed at...

And I am also thinking about selling my land because of the delays and recent decisions I dont agree with...

[potent dock]

I'll reiterate I have no problem with criticism. My issues start and end at name calling and baseless assertions of the council acting for personal gain. By all means, post your feedback, let's just leave the "soiboi iphone users who happen to be silv whales in the council (i imagine) is cringe af" out of it.

[void raft]

I dont want to insult anyone or anything I just get @tall crypt frustration. I also have the growing fear of things not turning out as we all thought few months back...

[tall crypt]

I just said that 1.- I am disappointed by the postponement. 2.-The reason has not been specified, with which a temporary budget could be made. And if we have been making forecasts for some time, then 3.-make a new forecast that says May 21.

I've played Illuvium- Zero and liked it like a junkie, I think instead of having 5 illuvitars to hunt if there were problems they could give away a d1sks of illuvitars or whatever. I don't see any flaws in Illuvium Zero.
Everything else, you didn't know how to rebut. As I said, I knew perfectly well that the rise of the ILV token has been due to a general rise in the market. The Illuvium Beyond project is developed separately from I-Zero, Overworld or Arena.
Well, it's hard for me to write and understand why I don't speak English, our conversation is translated. I leave it here now. Good afternoon.

[potent dock]

Honestly I'm not here to rebut your feedback or argue, I spend a lot of time reading to get a gauge on how the community is feeling. The way you feel is the way you feel. I could steel man an argument for the delay, but I'm not looking to tell you you're wrong. I'll add that I'll hop in on portions of the argument that are incorrect, such as the delay being for WebGL. The delay is for the addition of the marketplace.

[void raft]

I am afraid that there might be many more people feeling like this, they are just not expressing them publicly like this...
I personally know of several other people, that are not disappointed, but angry...

[timber glacier]

I'd recommend reading through Johnny's posts in this channel, he explains the reasons for pushing back the S1 reset pretty well in my opinion.

[void raft]

I know the reasons and now there is no other way, but I think that things should have been different a long time ago, instead of "wasting time" on the graphics the team should have been developing the marketplace and economics in the first place, but thats just my opinion...

[tropic saddle]

I disagree, there are thousands of Web3 games being built right now. The market is going to be flooded in the next couple of years. If we want this game to be successful for a decade plus, it needs to stand out above all others. Graphics, game play, story, are all very important.

[rancid lion]

People are certainly free to feel how they want, but Illuvium has ALWAYS been a long term play, and it's obvious that the way to maximize returns is to have the game be adopted by as many players as possible in the long run. You don't get players by releasing sub-standard games early.

The studio shouldn't let retail investor sentiment (in regards to when they want their return) affect quality of the product. I highly doubt any of the VC that invested in Illuvium are angry and demanding IZ alpha season 1 be released immediately.

As I've mentioned multiple times here that nobody's bothered to respond to, alpha S1 release has NO BEARING on investors getting revenue. Why hyperfocus on this? Might as well be upset we don't have the next Overworld beta with the next region.

Also, the studio FREQUENTLY asks the community for direction. The only reason we didn't get Illuvitars months ago is because the community wanted albums/collection game instead of just PFPs. The time to voice opinions as an ILV holder/investor is at the time that governance is happening. There's no use in not being involved and then being upset afterwards. If someone doesn't like that they improved graphics quality, should have voiced that concern when they were talking about it last year, not now. Write an IIP. Run a Discord poll. It's a DAO. If the rest of the community agrees with you, the DAO will change direction.

[void raft]

Graphics can be improved overtime, the internal game mechanics have to be developed first imo
And yes you are right, there are many other games, so there more the game is delayed the bigger the competition will be

[void raft]

Who is talking about releasing sub-standard? not me, the DAO wants everything to be perfect and it wont ever be, talking from my experience in SW development of more than 13 years...
I dont demand to be released immediately, I just dont like the focus of the devs right now...
Why release it asap? There is a certain time needed so things can be tested the marketplace, balancing etc, so the later you release now the later the final game will be...
Rev dis were promoted last year, so I was like hell yeah I want that and now a year later? still nothing, so...
I can only express my feelings and experience, I cannot write some IIP I cannot design the complicated stuff in the game, thats someone elses job I can just point out the flaws I see in them...

[low river]

Two different teams brother. It's like asking a janitor to build a bridge.

[void raft]

what do you mean?

[low river]

Your are asking the graphics designers team to do a job their are not qualified to do. Their job is to model, create and animated Illuviums, not to balance the economy for the marketplace. That's what a mean.

[rancid lion]

Yeah no worries, not pointing the finger at you. The other person that was in here ranting and raving about council members stopping alpha season 1 release is more what I was talking about.

As a software dev, do you think the person working on making 4k graphics in IZ was the same person doing marketplace system design and implementation now?

Revdis happened last year, but nobody ever gave a release date for full game. Even when revdis starts there's no guarantees how much it will be. The studio's vision is 9+ games, this is a long term play.

You can express feelings and experience, but you can write an IIP. Anyone can write and submit an IIP. Quite literally. Any DAO member.

[void raft]

no 🙂 the game was ready(ish) long time ago and was postponed several times because the graphics was not ready... that is what I mean, I am not asking the graphics designers to do the programming...

[rancid lion]

Yes the release to testers was delayed, but that doesn't necessarily mean the systems that made it into the first alpha release we got were already in it. It's much more likely that programmers kept working and developing more systems while graphics were being improved.

So July build + 4k graphics + more systems programmed in the mean time = January build

[void raft]

no, not anyone I have no idea how to write an IIP and what needs to be in it and there should be every detail of the model and such, thats what I mean, I know I have the right to write it, but 99% of people here dont have the skills to do that...

[rancid lion]

This is an IIP. It passed the council. Now the studio has to put a spider Illuvial in the game.

[void raft]

well, thats an easy one 🙂
I am talking about IIP about DAO priority in the general, about the economics model etc
not adding a simple Illuvial

[potent dock]

I'll just reference this as a guide, in the event you (or anyone else) is interested. #🎨〕community-content message

The council is also generally available to help get proposals into the proper format and assist with getting proposals in a votable state.

[rancid lion]

I agree, this is a simple example, but it shows that writing an IIP is not hard or necessarily require skills. (No offense Fraggy lmao)

And yes, it means that an IIP that requests a fundamental change in release cadence has a very high burden of proof. You better do your research, because there are a LOT of other investors it affects.

[void raft]

Well the problem with this is that I probably dont have all the info I need...
For example I have no idea what other components are missing in the IZ, is it just the marketplace? or are there like other 10 components that are in play? and we need all of them for the whole economics to work?

[timber glacier]

Sure, both graphics and game mechanics can be developed over time. However, first impressions can't. And a lot of the success nowadays is tied to players first impressions. If they don't like what they see they will likely move on and not care about the improvements that come later.

[rancid lion]

Agreed, it would require talking to the team, probably the council, talking to the general community and gauging sentiment and convincing people. But if it's a big enough deal and passing the IIP is important enough, someone's gotta do the work. We can't just sit and do nothing and then say we don't like how it turned out. That's why I spend a LOT of my time reading this Discord (lucky I work from home!) and chatting with community and team members.

[void raft]

and that IIP example is exactly the opposite that you said, retail investors voted that they want an Spider, which is imo useless right n now 🙂 DAO has more important stuff to work on...

[rancid lion]

yeah no timeline on it though, it could be implemented after release

the reason for the IIP was Kieran said "no spider illuvial EVARRRRR" and Fraggy took offense to that

[void raft]

yes general public cares about graphics, but imo we could have been testing the fuel economics for months now

[void raft]

I am dealing with dev "bullshit" every day at my work, for several hours, changing priority of project, wrong allocation of resources, noone wanting to make decisions and stuff, so honestly I dont have the energy to get so deep in Illuviums dev process after I get home my work - I would get crazy from that...

[cyan bone]

The Marketplace is the final gameplay/balancing feature currently planned for the Alpha > Beta Phase.
The team are actively balancing the game and taking on feedback provided by Land Owners (Hugely appreciated)

[cyan bone]

That's fair, we could have launched with the original graphics and have relied on the DAO to help balance while uplifting the graphic assets in the background.
The call was made to prioritize the graphic assets/UIs as we didn't want to risk reputation damage/people shitting on the project that heavily markets itself as AAA.

But I see your point, if public perception wasn't a concern we could have used that time wisely to benefit from an extra couple of months of feedback.

[cyan bone]

I can say we're pretty damn prioritized on Illuvium Zero. We made a decision and we're going hard to deliver. We really try to ensure there is ZERO downtime.

@spring mist has come in as a phenomenal leader for this team btw. Huge depth of technical knowledge as well as leadership skills.

[void raft]

the public you mean the few land owners that now actually play the game?
I see your point - the reputation as well 🙂
I (I am sure other people as well) are just afraid, that the balancing will now take a lot of time yet so we wont be able to play the full game anytime soon. And I also know I wont get any time estimates from you so I/we will just have to wait

[cyan bone]

Johnny, Julien and the team are balancing and I really mean it when I say Land Owner feedback is hugely important here, we're also hiring a new Architect for the Illuvium Zero Team as well as an additional Game Designer.

[void raft]

now a new architect at this time of the project? 🤔
such a person will need several months to get up to speed in the project

[rancid lion]

all of these games are going to morph and change considerably over time, with more new features. hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but I imagine this at least.

[cyan bone]

Johnny has been the architect/product owner for the life of the game, the new architect will continue to support both him and Julien

Currently the devs are going hard on preparing this v0.1.4 build, we're also planning/pushing on the the Season 1 Minting Delivery as well as a roadmap for Open Beta

[void raft]

careful with the roadmap, if you give people time and then postpone it, they will get mad 🙂

[cyan bone]

I hope we've learnt that lesson. It's tough, we're building openly (as much as we can do) and we want to deliver so bad.

[mystic umbra]

I believe in you guys

[void raft]

Maybe I feel like, some people still dont understand why the next phase was postponed

[cyan bone]

It won't be postponed by a whole lot, build v0.1.4 isn't far off, we want to let the dust settle briefly once that drops and we'll move into Season 1 from that point

[void raft]

yeah I get that, but even I dont like that Beyond will be released sooner than ILZ
eventhough I understand the reasons

Anyway, thanks @cyan bone and all for the reactions, I really need to get something to eat now 😄 see ya later

[cyan bone]

easy dude, enjoy

[cyan bone]

I feel you, to confirm - we have completely separate teams working on Illuvium: Beyond to Illuvium Zero.

Illuvium: Beyond is predominantly Web, Backend, Blockchain, UX/UI, Graphics Art
Zero is Unity, Backend, Blockchain, Art Dept, Game UX/UI

[mortal smelt]

wen IOS mobile?

[slim wigeon]

Thank you Nick for working so hard!
You are an inspiration starting the day 5 o‘clock answering questions and then hitting the gym before you go hard at work! Illuvium has an insane team!

Hope we meet at the Illuvifest ❤️

[empty path]

Not at all. The IIP was to show everybody can make a change 🙂

[rotund forum]

Which is exactly the reason why the team sometimes delays things much to the chagrin of some, who have no patience and don’t care about a better adoption of the games by the masses… which is very much in all our interest.

[teal mural]

I’m cool with them pushing it back, it will be much better if they can get it working on IOS before S1 start anyway 💪🏾

And plus as a long-term investor whenever anything is postponed, prices go down a little bit and we can eat it up and buy

[high hinge]

Hi, im wondering where is the best place to get information about Zero? I have been playing since day one and i only just now stumbled upon the third version of the game. (ive been playing the first version this whole time). And now i see there was going to be a reset that i had no idea about.. I get emails that are basically marketing but nothing about resets and new versions of ZERO. I see now i need to be proactive about discovering new information. So where do find out the info?

[amber atlas]

The intent for the Alpha, since the very first IIP, was always that it would be primarily client side, with a focus of validating that the game is interesting to the players, and ensuring the balance of the game in isolation. The game is casual, and supposed to consume a small amount of time each day, but it should still be fun and ideally loved!

The data from the Alpha will be used to help inform the overall balancing process where we need to consider multiple games, market factors, and so on. However the expectation is that, even post launch, Zero will have ongoing changes in reflection to both community desires and market forces. This will include everything from minor balances changes to major new game features.

The Marketplace feature specifically is important for balance right now because of the changes we made to Converters. Originally they balanced the game from a resource perspective but they felt way too powerful, hurting the value of the Extractors/Sites which in turn reflects in the relative value and differentiation of the Land Plot NFTs. The Converter power reduction is one-half of the fix, the Marketlpace is the other. Without the Marketplace, the Converter change it is too punishing to unbalanced plots and we can't go in to Season 1 with such an imbalance.

The amount of time players are putting in to Zero far exceeded our expectations, and many people are still actively playing Zero, despite no revenue incentive, and no end-game content. Because of the reception we are hiring some more people in to the team, specifically building out some backend team directly assigned to Illuvium Zero rather than having to rely on the shared backend team resources (these guys are absolute guns, but also very often on the critical path). This will help us deliver faster, and likely means we can get more feaures in to the Open Beta... Raids anyone (maybe 😉 ).

It also means I don't have to spend so much time on Zero, as much as I love the game and relish working on it, my remit as CTO covers all of Illuviums tech, not just Zero, and I don't want time spent on Zero to mean I do a poor job somewhere else.

As to delays, the reasons have already been mentioned, scroll up if they aren't pinned, I'm not going over them again.

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Sorry about the wall of text, wanted to spit all that out before I head off to breakfast, I'll be back in 90 minutes or so to answer more questions 🙂

sorry I see people typing but its my wifes birthday, I really need to run, I won't be too long, feel free to @ me

[rancid lion]

This is the best place right here. If you're curious about a topic just use the search bar and you can find people talking about it. Bonus if you type from:Johnny | Illuvium as then you'll get the info straight from the master.

Otherwise ask away. Also check the pinned messages here.

[high hinge]

So when version 4 of Zero is available i need to check here? Where would i make the suggestion that new builds of the game and any major changes should be available from the client directly when i open it.

[oak solstice]

Any updates are usually in #📣〕announcements

[high hinge]

Do I have to high of expectations from a game that is in development? Im not interesting spending time on discord, id rather be playing the game.

[rancid lion]

I get notifications from discord, while I do practically live here I usually wake up to an announcement ping that there's a new version.

[vivid cipher]

I think that the issue is that none of the games are stable public builds. The studio has not released a single finished game yet. It’s all still private testing. When they are ready they will have builds that do that sort of thing.

There are other ways to be informed of new builds that need to be downloaded though.

https://illuvium.io/news

[amber atlas]

was a quick breakfast I am back

[fickle goblet]

Hope you don't mind, I need to ask something via DM, sent a request 🙏

[amber atlas]

For Alpha we didn't prioritise any of this kind of tech, once beta is out from time to time new builds will require a full download (as you would see with any other app), but MOST of the time updates will be data loaded by the client at runtime.

Even in Alpha moving forward the client should tell you that an update is needed. But it will be a full download/reinstall for a while yet.

[amber atlas]

I don't generally answer questions in DM as that's giving one person additional information that isn't available to public. If it is a about your specific account then you need to talk to support not me.

[mortal smelt]

@amber atlas do we have a timeline for IOS mobile?

[fickle goblet]

It's related to hiring since you mentioned, but can understand if you don't do DMs by principle

[amber atlas]

anything hiring related is best directed to recruiting team via the job boards

[amber atlas]

no we need to do a "spike" (short focused effort) to determine effort required for WebGL running smoothly on iOS, this should happen pretty soon, the results of that spike will inform the timeline

iOS native is not a priority given Apple policy doesn't allow us to release on app store

[slate merlin]

I'm not looking for a definitive answer because Open Beta is way down the road, but I am interested in your thoughts. I play Overworld and IZ every day and enjoy both immensely. Illuvium Zero needs a lot of time and focus in the first few days. Has there been any early discussions about IZ Open Beta launching BEFORE Overworld and Arena Open Beta? I believe this was talked about when IZ was first proposed, but recent talk has been about simultaneous launches. A week or even a few days would allow land owners to get their plots going, making progress to adding fuel to the game loop, and not require as much focused attention. I don't want to have to choose between starting my land plots, or jumping into the Overworld and going after server firsts on Day One of Open Beta!

[high hinge]

ok cool thanks. I dont mind physically downloading a new version or what i ever i need to do. Its just the lack of knowing that something

is available or needed that is a big hurdle for me to overcome.

[amber atlas]

The preference is to launch Zero first, but this needs to be balanced with other factors, an extreme example:
Would we delay completely ready Arena and Overworld games if Zero was going to be 2 months later? ... Probably not, better to come up with an alternative way to ensure Land holders get their revenue share.

[high hinge]

i think im up to speed as far as what is required from me now. Id imagine you are already aware, but for mass adoption of any game it really needs to be super easy(plug and play) for the average player(which i consider my self). There are many blockchain games that i have tried to play but lose interest super fast when the technology and computer skills are beyond my reach(which isnt that hard) . Heres hoping you guys have accessibility as a top priority.

[floral locust]

@amber atlas When it comes to minting S1 blueprints, Does it mint in order of who finds the BPs first? Do blueprints themselves have mint numbers? trying to access if there is any benefit for someone who rushes and finds BP's quickly vs someone who jumps in later in the season and eventually finds them

[trim oracle]

It'll be cool if they can integrate the Illuvitars NFT into Zero so we can send them out to attack other plots and steal their resources...

[next obsidian]

I'm firmly against attacking other plots for resources. The imbalance between tiers is pretty high, but it should be as they cost money. I can only imagine a poor t1 getting ravaged by a megacity nextdoor. Not fun.

Building some kind of capabilities in the city to raid a NPC type thing, an underground city controlled by an enemy faction or something. Another way to play and gain resources. Much better.

[steel folio]

Aye fam is this airdrop email legit or no? I ain’t tryna click it

[next obsidian]

With real life money on the line, raiding also gets complicated really quick.

[empty path]

No, it’s a scam.

[steel folio]

Bet thanks you

It’s weird they know I’ve been in for over a year

[fickle goblet]

Kinda agree, IZ to me has this theme of utopian growth where raiding is a thing of the past

[weary bluff]

wtf this dude has 100 + lands, i barely found time to develop 1 😄 https://twitter.com/Illuviumlands/status/1629190339935326213

Illuvium Zero Bot ♊️ (@Illuviumlands)

🪸 Crimson Waste (681,347) was just purchased for 0.45ETH (~$720.0)

🫅 Buyer: langames.eth
📜 Lands Owned: 100+
🧹 Tier 1 Floor: 0.382 ETH

https://t.co/hOprh8Bijl

Twitter · Feb 24, 2023, 6:43 PM

[rotund forum]

Langames.eth seems like a guild, not just one person. They even have their own twitter account

[little moon]

Im pretty sure langames is an investment fund

[rotund forum]

Meaning they just buy it as an investment to flip it at some point and not actually play it? If so… since they then won’t sell any fuel better worth for the rest of us 😝

[little moon]

They may rent them out once thats an option but potentially they just hold.

[weary bluff]

interesting

[terse sable]

what's tthe timeline approximately for the next patch on IZ and the time to look at how the marketplace is functioning?

[pearl jungle]

good question ive asked about 3 times no one answers/knows

[gusty void]

Thats because its been asked 100 times and the answer is always the same... no ETA has been given yet.

[sharp elk]

Attacking other plots for resources is only negative if the defending plot losses resources when attacked.

I doubt attacking other plots is something we will see anytime soon, however if / when it is implemented, one solution is that when you attack another plot the defender doesn’t see it at all. Their game is unaffected.

You get your forces together, you pay an attackers cost and you launch an attack hoping to get back more than you spent.
The game looks at what defences the other plot has, and simulates a battle. It tells you what forces you lost and what you brought back to your base as loot.

None of this has to affect the defender at all. They don’t even need to know that their plot was attacked, as it had absolutely no affect on them.

[wary notch]

Wanna help man? Got 250 plots needing some players

[wary notch]

Pretty much just me here, the investment not all mine tho

[weary bluff]

how does one help with 250 plots 😄

[wary notch]

Srry man, will definitely be selling fuel

[weary bluff]

this is just 1 t1, requires soo much work ;x

[wary notch]

Hold, absolutely. Those blueprints tho...

[wary notch]

Yeah, I'll need you to quit your job on open beta and manage 20 plots, sound good? 😅😂

[weary bluff]

depends how much ure willing to pay , sounds good 😄

[wary notch]

For that we'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but make sure to DM me once you like to start

[lethal wyvern]

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[weary bluff]

i sent u fr request, dm me a price when you are ready and we start

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

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Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[wary notch]

👌

[tough field]

Hi. Is the feature of registering a different wallet for the illuvium land is already available? I want to move my land to another address

[empty path]

Not yet

[tough field]

It would be interest if the feature to become available before the season 1 or at least before the public launch. Is there a date for this feature to be available?

[empty path]

Team is working on it

[mossy sorrel]

i have suggestion regarding the collection of ressources.
Instead of waiting for the collection to end and gathering all ressources at once, I think it'd make more sense if it ticked as time went on just like the passive gathering from converters.

1. it would allow proper collection based on each building's efficiency rather than moving power stations to maximize them.
2. It would prevent the need to wake up in the middle of the night to collect fuel. making the game quite stressful at times for efficiency.

you'll sell need to activate the collection to keep people actively playing, but that can be cancelled at any time to refresh the time.

I find collecting ressources slowly makes more sense than all at once as far as lore as well.

just a thought.

[empty path]

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[mossy sorrel]

ok thanks

[rotund forum]

I think you can just make another Metamask wallet and send it there?

[tall crypt]

A few days ago, disappointed by the placement of Illuvium Zero I started selling the less significant plots of the collection of 52 I had. Unfortunately, I made a mistake and in one I put the price in IMX instead of ETH. I give you a tip that before validating the price you look at the price in $. Despite having lost $700 on this mistake (mine and mine alone) I consider myself to have lost much more with the placement of D'Illuvium Zero. I have currently reduced the land portfolio from 52 to 45 lands, I have stopped sales because I am convinced that the layoff will not last more than 2 or 3 months, a period similar to 6th January to 21st February. There are people who will tell me that I made it up, of course I did. I believe in something, those who do not believe in anything do not exist. It is necessary to establish a reasonable foreseeable time, I think 2 months is reasonable. There are 3 very upcoming events: Illuvium Beyond (March 7th), Staking Release (April) and illuvium zero alpha release.

[tall crypt]

It's OK to pay a commission for proportional fuel collection at any time. can be implemented there by purchasing a build that allows it. I've played and there's plenty of fuel, with a tier 4 you accumulate more than 10 million unused fuel. More precisely, it should be the minerals that could be collected proportionally. Maybe they should have two or three decimal places. It would be good to collect the minerals in advance once a day with decimals.

[thorn shadow]

For the Windows Zero Version i wish for a fps limit i just capped the frames via nvidia control panel because otherwise it really drains too much performance

[mossy sorrel]

it's not about just having enough fuel.. sure right now it might be since it's worth nothing.. but when it could be sold for eth, fuel would be the one that truly matters in the end.. and at a generation rate of 17 hours, you'll have to wake up in the middle of the night every 2 days to collect at the appropriate time... that's going to be a major pain in the ass.

[tall crypt]

Someone mentioned raiding the other lands... I don't think anyone who has bought land is willing to lose the resources of their land. Another thing would be for the Illuvium to put imaginary plots that were not owned by any person to get additional resources. I know there are people who won't like this because they take special pleasure in stealing resources from a living being who owns land. Things that have human misery. They can create an ethical game, there are people who want it to be malevolent like human life itself. This will DEFINITELY not be done. If you want war go fight in ARENA. If you want free resources go to OVERWORLD.

[tall crypt]

Hydrogen, carbon and silicon fuel is generated in IZ, which is only used for IZ. It also generates minerals (Krypton, Solon and Hiperion) that can be sold in the market to travel to OVERWORLD or to strengthen the fights in ARENA. However, illuviums from your lands can be hunted and blueprints obtained.
Well, I'm referring to the minerals (Krypton, Solon and Hiperion), they should be obtainable proportionally to the incubation time.

[mossy sorrel]

krypton solon and hyperion are the fuels bud,

[tall crypt]

Ahh. Yes. OK. In terminology IZ elements are Hydrogen, carbon and silicon and fuel is Krypton, Solon and Hiperion.

[rotund forum]

Indeed, whenever I play the graphicscard ventilators go to 100%, as if you were playing a hi-res 3D game. I assume they will optimise this before open beta.

[errant pollen]

Is it confirmed that illuviums are going to be hunted on your land? For the moment you only get biodata and after that, facts and blueprints (NFTs) but no Illuviums (NFTs)...

[river viper]

Hi, guys! Now Zero is work ? I can't lauch game today

[timber glacier]

I believe that's called a choice. You also have the choice of using less paths and aim for the 20-24h generation time, which (generally, depending on layout) allows you to fit more converters on the plot, possibly netting you more fuel than you would get by messing up your sleep schedule.
Personally, I wouldn't let a game mechanic dictate how I run my life, I'd just adjust to a slightly lower game efficiency and stay healthy. But everyone's free to do as they choose.

[primal wagon]

No illuvials can not be caught in zero

[mossy sorrel]

That’s right, except for some, this is t just a game anymore when it comes to fuel… may become like a job… I understand it’s a choice everyone makes, I’m merely making a suggestion that could I believe accommodate more than myself, it’s still a choice you can make if you only want to collect once a day, but for those who’d like to do a bit more efficiently, I think tweaking the way to collect can accommodate most of not all players

[mystic forum]

wait a sec.. there will be an option to lease / rent your land?

[timber sapphire]

Eventually

[dire matrix]

Hi, do we know when they'll be the season 1 ?

[empty path]

No date announced yet, it got delayed.

[timber glacier]

Yeah, I would also like seeing resource/fuel production be more like the passive generation from converters. That way I can collect whenever I have time to play rather than at fixed intervals that may clash with my schedule. And as you say a shift to something like this would accomodate a lot of people.

[dire matrix]

Thanks Fraggy
Weird, they announced the postpone a while back it seems, I guess it s hard to calibrate
Didn't connect recently, is the marketplace live ?

[empty path]

You can check #📣〕announcements

[weary bluff]

disappointed by the placement? im not sure i understand

[dire matrix]

Yup I know I already read it
Thought they had given some alpha I didn't read but nope

[empty path]

You can search on Johnny his messages in this channel. There are too many to pin

[mossy sorrel]

I have made that suggestion, perhaps you could do the same so they would feel many people would like it better that way.

[hazy jewel]

Hi guys, been out for 1 week: i got version 1.3, should i download any new version ? wasnt suppose to be a swipe on 21st ?

[rancid lion]

not yet, it was pushed back a few weeks so we can get one last feature tested (marketplace) before alpha S1.

[hazy jewel]

latest version is still 1.3 or there is new one ? iis marketplace open ?

[rancid lion]

1.4 will be out Very Soon™ (my guess is sometime this next week)

[quaint prism]

Agreed as a land owner in IZ, I don't like the idea of my resources being sabotaged by other players. Raiding NPC's or competing with players over neutral resources in some way would be super cool, though!

[slim wigeon]

Are there any news from the team when mega cities will be implemented.
Is it planned for the release of open beta when open world launches?
Will we have a four times bigger map if we have a small city?
If we have for example a T4, T3, T2 and T1 how is it going to work with the production boosts for each land plot? (not landmarks etc this is clear that it just stacks)

[amber atlas]

wow!

[amber atlas]

the raids idea is opt in, and is just an idea (I did do a bit of a POC to see how it could work, but that doens't mean we have to do it)

[weary bluff]

im stronk

[amber atlas]

the idea was to come up with a battle system that doesn't require too many new mechanics and thus could be done fairly quickly whilst also not stepping on the toes of future games like RTS

details were posted here: #1023666069061247116 message

[amber atlas]

yes, the plan is to launch MegaCities with Open Beta, yes it will be like one large plot the equivalent size of having 4 (or 9 plots), production boost will probably be localised (so 4x boost on the part that is T4, no boost on the part that is T1), landmark boosts apply to all plots

[orchid path]

Hey guys, any suggestions where i can learn more about the game mechanics on IZ ? Johnny i watched your 1hour live stream , but still dont quite get the full game mechanics, i want to learn as much as possible before i start so i can correctly decide what lend to get. Cant play it without land unfrotunantly so i cant get the gist of it... ( i see there is megacities involved as well now etc ) so should i get 1 t1 land or can i combine multiple t1,t2,t3 etc for a megacity ? do they need to be in the same parcels next to each other in order to combine them ? .. Where can i find all this info ? Sorry if this has been asked before, i am new and just truing to learn about the game. I love playing similar games so i think i would love Illuvium..

[amber atlas]

yes Neutral resources is another idea, raids is definitely just an idea at the moment, no ones even talked about putting it on a dev timeline ... very open to change (or maybe no-one wants and it wont happen)

[quaint prism]

I think it makes sense as a system in terms of engagement and time to implement! There's some obvious balancing questions

• T4 raids against T1 players (how to do fair matching)
• What if I sell all my fuel right before it starts (how to make sure the rewards are there)

I could see this working in some way that players contribute or lock a certain number of resources and compete with other players to come out with more than they put in. Or if the ILV team is generous it could be purely additional neutral resources we compete with other players over

[amber atlas]

I don't think resources are an issue... you don't know a raid is coming, so as a raider you might aim to keep resoures low, but you also can't build if you don't stock up resources

T1 v T4 is interesting, I hadn't thought about it as in the end game it shouldn't matter that much, if you are T1 don't opt in to raids until you have built up a lot of units ... but maybe some kind of honour system could help here too (e.g. you lose honour for attacking weaker plots, gain it for attacking stronger plots)

[amber atlas]

there's not a great single place to go to get an explanation of all of the game, there are some tutorials on Illuvium youtube (just search "Illuvium: Zero Alpha Tutorial" on offical channel), and a few pinned here as well (in archived channel)... maybe some community resources out there too (anyone?)

[orchid path]

Yeah have been reading a lot here and there, but no central place that explains the whole ecosystem, especially now when megacities come out, so i am a bit confused on how to approach this.

[amber atlas]

its up to the community resources if you want to find out 'best' ... we won't tell you the best way to do stuff, that's for you to explore and discover

[slim wigeon]

This means that one huge benefit is that on the T4 we don't need to build the town hall etc and will be able to concentrate totally on production of fuel and element. So on the T1 we can build these things and only scanning and on the T2 we could build huge storage.

[orchid path]

No of course, i mean precisely about the land buying, especially now for the megacities, would it be better to get 4 lands, do they need to be next to each other for a megacity etc.. But i`ll continue reading i guess i have missed it somewhere...

[amber atlas]

megacitities are not released, but 2x2 square of adjacent plots and 3x3 square of adjacent plots have been confirmed

[amber atlas]

yes, saving on a Nexus, Engineering Workshop, QF, Marketplace, etc will make the T4 even more productive

that + landmark boosts should be enough to ensure megacities are very worthwhile

[slim wigeon]

So I think we will also have 4 (9) builders to start with?
This would also result that the T4 part could be built much faster.

[amber atlas]

probably more than 1 but maybe not 4(9)... this needs to go through balance testing

(remember also you can buy more builders in Open Beta)

[slim wigeon]

More than one sounds already good to start with.
Did you already think about pricing of additional builders?

Builders could also be limited per plot and can only be used in that area.

[amber atlas]

all pricing stuff is very open, they will get progressively more expensive, but exact prices are not locked in

I expect IIP for pricing before Open Beta to make sure its aligned with community expectations

my feeling is that in the context of someone who is buying a megacity builders will be 'cheap' as we want them to be at a point where F2P players will buy them also

[slim wigeon]

Thank you so much Johnny for always being so transparent and answering our questions next to all the work you do!
I think ILZ will be a big part of the Illuvium IBG and bring in a lot of people from web2.
I am really glad that you took the lead and together with the team made ILZ what it is!

[amber atlas]

for example $1.00 $5.00 $25.00 $125.00, plus 1 builder that can be earned from gameplay ... (this is not final just an idea, please don't quote it 😉 )

[void raft]

How many credits will we get in the next phases?

[slim wigeon]

This indeed would seem very cheap and would be reasonable if also ftp people should spend some money.

[amber atlas]

haven't finalised Season 1 values, but similar... I'm thinking maybe just a few less coming from plants, happy to hear your thoughts on that

in Open Beta credits will be from tutorial rather than just given, and my expectation is overall the number will be a bit lower (but this is just conjecture ... will be informed by the Season 1 data, etc)

[void raft]

I agree 🙂 I feel like I get too many now

[slim wigeon]

If you want people to spend money then for sure less would be better.

[tall crypt]

for delay Illuvium Zero 21th Febrary

[weary bluff]

as a guy thats playing a lot of games and is sick of unfinished games, id say delay is better than fked up game

[slim wigeon]

Read some of your messages but it really makes no sense what you write 😅

Only thing what really matters is when we go live and I don't think ILZ will be ready after OW.

[tall crypt]

There is no productivity improvement for having a mega city, I have 3 myself, I see no justification for all 4 lands being worth more. It just makes it easier to exchange resources between the 4 lands while playing, as if they were one. It is not planned to be implemented until IZ is fully designed.

[amber atlas]

mega cities are not released yet

if you mean there is no beenfit to the planned systems then you are wrong

[orchid path]

There is improvement if you read the comments above.

[slim wigeon]

If you have a city with a t3 or t4 it will 100 % be more valuable as a package.
If you save like 10-20 % space on your T4 this would result in a huge earning boost already.
Also no fee to transfer recources for scanning to another plot is valuable too.

[tall crypt]

Forget megacitties, it's very difficult and expensive.

[orchid path]

I`d say its expensive yes. And without knowing the future market and adoption, its quite the gamble.

[tall crypt]

I follow any megacities, 1 T3 & 3 T1 selled for 14000$

[amber atlas]

we want megacities to be meaningful ... if the benefits turn out to be insignificant, we will increase them through new game features, etc, now its up to you to decide if that means they are more valuable by some small number or large number, but rest assured if people aren't chasing them, then we will make changes (or at least raise an ICCP)

[tall crypt]

Must wait to second sell of lands. Now, bought a perimetral land.

[tall crypt]

The problem is putting an owner in contact with a potential buyer. Offers can only be made for land that is being sold.

[amber atlas]

we will add more features to the Illuvidex to support this, its just not a priority right now

[tall crypt]

Of course, now it's not at all, not a bit.

[amber atlas]

in any case I'm about to head off, any last questions? (or ideas 😉 )

[orchid path]

My other concern is the economics behind it, as far as i understand ( i might be wrong since i only started exploring Illuvium recently ) is that 5% of the total fuel used would be from land owners and the rest 95% would be Game provided. As Pelican said "For every 1 fuel token land owners sell the DAO will sell 19 fuel tokens". So without knowing the pricing is hard to tell if tis a good investment or not.

[hollow shoal]

What’s the plan for the morphs and compost etc? If you can give any information please.

[floral locust]

@amber atlas any answer for this good sir? 🙂

[amber atlas]

all tokens have an ID and we typically use a sequence, but there's no in-game benefit planned (we might have a leaderboard of 'first discovered by' so it has bragging rights, but you can't sell them, it would be tied to the account/nickname)

some people might still value the lower ID numbers

[sharp elk]

Even if you knew the pricing you still wouldn’t be able to calculate anything without knowing how much fuel was being bought by players in overworld.

Basically you get to be early, but it’s a gamble and chances are that buying ILV tokens will be more profitable.

I have a T2 for fun, but I don’t expect big income from it.

[errant pollen]

You should make rectangular Megacity shapes, such as 3x2, 4x3, etc. possible. This way there will be more possibilities to make Megacities and there will be more activity in the market looking for them

[amber atlas]

the list is not final, its just two shapes have been confirmed

alright folks I'm out, talk later!

[slim wigeon]

Also think it will be hard even if we make like 100 mil per month turnover which would be a lot it would not result in more than 30-50 dollars per month per t1 as long as we have 20k plots.

But we should not forget about the blueprints we can get.

[orchid path]

There are 100k plots, so there should be 4 more plot sales, 1 would be i assume at the Beta launch or the official launch.

[slim wigeon]

depends on what the council/community thinks is right.
I think if there is another sale only after the beta launched successful.

[queen folio]

Chances are the next sale won't happen until the games have been launched and in open beta for a while. I expect the team will want to observe the market for a bit and see what the fuel demands are actually like before they toss more land into the mix.

[sharp elk]

Don’t count on there being another land sale for a long time. At least a year, maybe longer.

[mortal smelt]

20k land is all we are getting until there is more needed for unexpected growth with a max cap at 100k

There will not be a need for 100k plots of land when IZ goes live unless the ecosystem demands it

[sharp elk]

Realistically, if there was unexpected growth they would tweak the fuel mining output in ILZ first.

More land sales would probably only happen if the DAU thought we were at the height of a bull market, with a great opportunity to cash in to fund future development.

[orchid path]

if the launch goes well , and the game gets a good amount of users, i guess and expect that it will be contributed with another land sale. Maybe i am wrong.

[mortal smelt]

You are correct, but also depends on what unexpected growth is, and without proper analytics (because we are not live yet) we can only assume what can/could happen.

[sharp elk]

This is a dau. The existing land owners would be unlikely to vote to devalue their own lands by having another sale.

So realistically the votes in favour of a new land sale would be because token holders see a great opportunity to raise extra funds using the sale. The number of gamers playing overworld is irrelevant. If there is too much fuel demand the team can just increase the output of fuel mining.

[mortal smelt]

That is the perspective of the DAO, but there are other factors that can change this as well (from dev standpoint)

Although final approval goes through the DAO

[sharp elk]

Such as?

The only factor is how much money would be raised by the sale.

What factors are you thinking of?

[barren bolt]

Hi 🙂 The marketplace is not available ? 🙂

[mortal smelt]

So what you are saying is if there is a bull run that is massive in the near future, the DAO would sell more land for profits?

[sharp elk]

That’s the only reason I can think of. The whole point of selling stuff is to raise money.

They would want to time the next sale to make maximum profits for the dau. Which in turn would fund future development.

What other reason would there be?

[mortal smelt]

If it is that arbitrary that they could just plug and play other lands why cap at 100k? Makes no sense in my mind, please help it make sense

[little moon]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/land/plots

[orchid path]

Can i ask whats the best thing to look for when buying land ? For ELEMENT and FUEL ?

[sharp elk]

Well they had to give a capped figure before the first sale, otherwise saying unlimited lands would have scared away some of the investors. So 100k is a nice round number.

Is there some deeper meaning that I’m missing?

[barren bolt]

It's my fault, i talk about the building in Ill Zero ^^ the in-game marketplace is not yet available?

[little moon]

oh yeah not till they release the next patch

sometime next month

[mortal smelt]

Then why start at 20k

[orchid path]

The factor that a bull run might not happen for a long time, or even if it does it might steer in another direction ( like the AI fomo that happened recently ), so selling land on launch when you have Hype could be the best time to sell more land ?

[barren bolt]

Thanks 💪 ^^

[sharp elk]

I don’t work for the team. Presumably they looked at Axie lands and other relevant data and felt that 20k would be a number that the market would have sufficient interested investors.

Why do you think 20k has some special meaning and not 21k or 19k?

[sharp elk]

Selling at launch is practically ruled out unless land prices randomly go to the moon between now and launch.

Devaluing the lands already sold before the game has even properly stared would be a PR disaster.
Obviously nobody is going to propose that.

[mortal smelt]

So all the percentage numbers from the synergy (DAO 95%/ land owners 5%) is arbitrary and has no sway the addition of more lands?

If land owners are not making anything then to introduce more lands would not make sense

[sharp elk]

The percentage numbers are presumably based on the team’s internal data forecasts of what they think will be a reasonable return for land investors to be given.

They aren’t arbitrary, they are carefully considered. But no there is no special reason for 5% rather than 5.1% or 4.9%.
These are just round numbers.

[sharp elk]

If land owners are not making anything, that means the game has failed to attract players.
That’s not a scenario anybody really wants to plan for.

If you expect that scenario, you should probably look at other investments. NFA.

[mortal smelt]

I think we may be having miscommunication, I’ll ask Johnny or Aaron for more clarification

[sharp elk]

Sure. Team members will always know more than anonymous strangers. 🙂

[mortal smelt]

I get what you are saying, but you are not getting what I’m asking so I would rather go to the source than have my brain fried thinking to myself

[sharp elk]

Sure no problem. I’ll be interested in seeing their answers.

[mortal smelt]

I know who you are and appreciate your feedback but being heavily invested into this project I want to really understand

[rotund forum]

Shit; we must be in totally different time zones, are you in Australia? I have been wanting to suggest an item that cost nothing to you and maybe something to us... fences. Not using a precicios square of which yoo only have 25x25 in a normal city. It will have no effect like roads but is purely estethic. people who play city builders want some kind of order... and separate areas of types of buildings.

[mortal smelt]

This is not your typical business venture and there are some questions to the planning of this, you make it sound like they just plucked things from other projects and threw it together.

[sharp elk]

I said that I assume the numbers are carefully considered. That’s pretty much the opposite of thrown together. But no problem, I look forward to seeing their response to your query. 🙂

[rotund forum]

That seems both obvious and highly unlikely.

[mortal smelt]

That makes the both of us 😃

[mortal smelt]

Exactly

[rotund forum]

I just have to say, I like very much the idea of a megacity... BUT... total land plots are 100.000 and players will be in the millions probably.

so if you want a 50x50 or 75x75 plot you will have to pay dearly, and there will not be many out there... of the 100.000 max players, there will be only like max 1000 players who have a megacity. Of millions of potencial players. This seems somehow wrong... If people are willing to pay for it then why not more?

[mortal smelt]

Someone already has 250+ plots of land already

[rotund forum]

yes like you say... one

[sharp elk]

There are several known big land holders. Kieran, Polemos, LAN games, to name a few.

[mortal smelt]

It all depends and no single individual will be able to play all those lands, to limit the mega cities would be key

[rotund forum]

polemos is a gaming guild, and lan games an investor and kieran is .. kieran

[mortal smelt]

Will be interesting for sure, can’t play more than 3 lands myself and nobody is selling next to my plots lul

Hedging my land plots by staking LP

[rotund forum]

I started playing 10 plots, and it is quite manageable... especially if you consider the beginning is the hardest. But I lost interest because there basically was none economically, except for experimentation... and I did not need so much for that. But that said... love the game and looking very much forward to open beta... not that much to alpha 1

[mortal smelt]

True, alpha gave me the insight to the game and it’s mechanics, it is up to me now to choose what I want to do and have it optimized for fuel selling (>T2) or blueprint farming T1

[weary bluff]

wait whats happening what raiding? ppl will attack our ilvz base?

[orchid path]

you will be able to keep the blueprints from alpha 1 i think and would be transferred into the open beta.. i think ..

If thats the case than hat's an incentive to play alpha 1 , and concentrate your gameplay on blueprints, before the open beta.

[shell heart]

I still believe the allocation of 5% to all land owners is bogus, this is skewed tokenomics only in favor of the dao.
I mean really 5%

[mortal smelt]

It’s your prerogative and financial decision to not invest if it doesn’t suit you.

[shell heart]

I picked up during mint unaware of the 5% already

Lowest % to holders and supporters of an ecosytems backing ive ever seen

Still hodling since mint though we shall see bit 5% wtf

[mortal smelt]

I see your concern wholeheartedly, but if we are talking about numbers in the millions of people…

[shell heart]

I understand if will be used in all games in the ecosystem but at this rate 1 game every 10 years

[shell heart]

Its all the silv holders greed holding us back

[floral locust]

He was referring to a POC he posted, it seems like a great concept for an expansion. also it's opt in so it removes the pressure on people who just want to play/collect passively and not lose loot to other players. #1023666069061247116 message

[mortal smelt]

Hmm I don’t know where you are getting 10 years from, but they have made progress in 3 games in a short period of time and with their setup future games should be made faster and easier

[little moon]

The other 95% also goes to supporters of the project who hold ILV tokens.

[shell heart]

If you want to create a gaming ecosystem with lands producing the fuel for all the products why only allocate 5% to them.
It will become unethical for them to spend there valuable time time produce at which i guess dao just makes 100%

[mortal smelt]

I think it benefits who wants to do what with their investment. Passive earners would stake, gamers sell, etc.

[shell heart]

Ilz, open world and arena

Open world and arena is 1 game

Iz is the fuel

[mortal smelt]

Different game “modes”

Fuel & blueprints

True synergy would take place when all are released

[shell heart]

Fuel will generate 5% divided by 20k bit wait lets factor tiers

Blueprints unknow but just being a skin i dont expect much

Take into account tiers lets see an oddball %

[mortal smelt]

Fuel selling would be good for higher tiers yet blueprints would be harder

[shell heart]

@ 40k per tiers allocation = .00000125%

Based on 1 mill rev

[mortal smelt]

It is difficult to calculate without actual numbers to represent what the actual player pool would be

[weary bluff]

not true, the resources required to level up labs or scanner are insane, t4 will reach high level scans months earlier

[mortal smelt]

But how many scanners can you install on a T4 to a T1?

[weary bluff]

sure, 4 months later u could install them

[shell heart]

T4 was out my range picked up several t2

[mortal smelt]

Yeah so you can get there faster but having more scanners at 100%+ can be beneficial for different tier blueprints

[weary bluff]

at that point blueprint prices will be low enough

[mortal smelt]

It’s all speculation till we get the release

[shell heart]

I see fuel bringing in $.01 per day on the 5% at 1 mill rev

[weary bluff]

t1 and maybe even t2 is pointless to make fuel for sale

atleast not until ure all maxed

which will take months and months

[mortal smelt]

Wouldn’t make sense and they would adjust or else IZ would be doomed

[shell heart]

Iz will be doomed at these %

[mortal smelt]

T2 for fuel production is viable

[meager lantern]

That’s pretty good they are gonna be get a lot more that 1 mill in a couple years

[shell heart]

Woot i have a tier 2 i make $.01 per month

[meager lantern]

Think of 5 bil

[mortal smelt]

Nothing is set in stone, if these fail the DAO will not try and sell more land

[little moon]

Its pretty unlikely IMO that the % gets changed since any extra money given to land holders would have to be taken away from ILV holders.
and ILV holders are the ones who elect the council who makes that kind of decision.

[weary bluff]

50$

[shell heart]

If fail i would consider it a calculated arbitration of the sale to screw investors

[weary bluff]

if we use his calculations ofc

[little moon]

1 million monthly revenue is also nowhere near enough to pay the bills so if we only get $1m/month itll change to 0 pretty quick after the studio shut down.

[shell heart]

Which is why i said the ilv holders screwing/ holding us back

[little moon]

That was the terms set at the time of the sale. Land prices have held up better than the token anyway so if you think ILV is better you can just sell your land and buy ILV.

[mortal smelt]

It was like this prior to the land sale

You always have options

[shell heart]

Ill do some # crunching and see on expedited extreme high end rev before i decide whaylt ill do

[mortal smelt]

Have a great weekend everyone!

[shell heart]

Even if i had 100 lands to dump the dao wouldn't care because the would make royalty on it 🤣

Ok not fudding my bag lol

[austere tendon]

I think you'll find a lot of investors waiting on the sidelines waiting to see how the system unfolds before they jump in.

[meager lantern]

The land has so much more than just the revdis

If you’re only in it for the revdis, just stake instead

[pale bough]

What do you mean by so much more ?

Just to understand it well, do you think that for the same "financial amount" in land, you will earn more than by staking ILV (same $ amount) ?

Or is your "much more" including other more than just the financial aspect ?

[honest crystal]

Any update on new date for alpha season one release for zero and when data will be wipped out

[timber sapphire]

No will be in #📣〕announcements when they know

[slate goblet]

when auction happened I mad some calcs and estimated that staking ILV would be more profitable than buying land, idk how it is with current values

I guess he meant that ppl just wanting revdis will have it easier by staking ILV because it's a single action and revdis will just come, while IZ has its revdis but also is a game ppl can play

[sharp elk]

I bought a land because I wanted to play ILZ.

ILZ will give some income, but if that is all you care about then my personal expectation is that staking ILV will give better returns.

Anybody complaining about the roughly 5% of fuel sales commitment isn’t going to get any sympathy.
The roughly 5% has always been stated, from before the land sale and since then. It is unlikely to change.

[meager lantern]

You will be able to sell fuel and scan for blueprints, who knows how much the blueprints could go for, especially alpha ones.

also being able to stock up on fuel before the game officially launches could give you a huge advantage early on.

[short thicket]

hi gyuys, can you help me with a question? how the d1sk battles took place? where does people obtained them? are the that were rewarded frdom DeQuest?

[empty path]

They played on the test net, only team members have access to that at this moment.

[short thicket]

oh, thanks 😄

[timber sapphire]

You cant stock up fuel beforehand, you can start generating fuel when open beta starts, which is when overworld opens for everyone

[meager lantern]

👍

[velvet hornet]

any info on when the restart is?

[hoary forge]

No date announced yet.

[low river]

a question regarding scanners. Lets imagine that during 24 hours scanning period the % was cero. Then I move it to a zone that has 100% and I clicked it, will it count as 100% or the scan percentage is acummulative, therefore will it be 0%? Im asking because maybe we can build like 20 scanners and rotate them and click them one by one just like converters.

Sounds like cheating but you we can do that right now with fuel converters.

[rotund forum]

As far as I know atm you can do this but it will change before open beta

[low river]

So, this "feature" will persist for season 1?

as far as I know season 1 <> open beta.

[timber sapphire]

Ssssst dont tell them then they will want to fix it before season 1 and we need to wait even longer

[faint spade]

I wonder if this is going to turn into another multi month fix... 🥺

[timber sapphire]

I mean there isn't even a date announced yet so probably after illuvitars at soonest because they want to spread the events

Kinda sucks for us landowners tho

[heavy viper]

can I play beta if I buy a land ?

[empty path]

Yes

[heavy viper]

where should I go ? is it in browser or a soft ?

[empty path]

What?

[heavy viper]

I bought a land. How can I try the beta ?

[empty path]

#🎫〕verify-asset with the wallet that holds your land

Once you got the land holder role you can acces #1075137668821823628

[heavy viper]

Thanks

[ornate spindle]

Has anyone in the abyssal bassin been able to find anything else than "Archie"? Been scanning for weeks with 5 scanners anywhere from 70 to 100%

[trim otter]

Abyssal Bassin has been my best. In the last week with 4 scanners I grabbed the last 3 biodata I needed. Tier1. I’ve played consistently since launch. Level 530

[dry mango]

regions still do not affect scanners at this time

[empty orchid]

Have a question, Do we have information on the next land sale ?

[dry mango]

only when there is demand, there is no fixed date at the moment

[tall crypt]

2025, maybe delayed to 2027. But You can buy in market place with discount. Tier 1 means price land sale to 992$ now 700$. Tier 2 2687$ now 1700$. Tier 3 8700$ now 4700$ and Tier 4 33000$ now 17000$. For launch new sale the prices must be greater to first sale.

[empty path]

What are you talking about

[tall crypt]

The average placement prices of the first lands sale were much higher than the market prices. I don't know why you want a new land placement if Illuvium Zero isn't out yet and you can buy it now at a higher price. Maybe you want, you want 75000 land to be placed now so you can buy cheap.

[empty path]

Ofc they were higher, it was an dutch auction

[tall crypt]

It has nothing to do with it. All placements will follow the same procedure, but will not have a similar degree of acceptance. If a land placement is announced the current owners will sell some of their land to try to buy at a lower price, or perhaps not buy at all. At the rate of release of the game, IZ will not finish consolidating this year, perhaps in 2024 and in 2025 we would have a new sale.

[sharp elk]

I’ve never seen such a large amount of completely made up facts in one post, and i’ve spent a lot of time in #💰〕token .

[main smelt]

why does the crypton collider, hyperian lathe, solon inverter, dont passivley generate in 2 days as it says in the information ?

[opal thistle]

It's probably a bug, team is working to get alpha season 1 ASAP and will get fixed. You can also report it

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Support

For support, bug reports, and feedback, please use the following methods to contact us:

• Bug reporting: http://link.illuvium.io/bug
• Feedback: http://link.illuvium.io/feedback
• General requests: email us at [e-mail]

[tall crypt]

I like to see users as tender as you.

[empty path]

But this image doesn't explain any of the numbers you just said?

[tall crypt]

Tier1: 11,908.000/12003lands = 992$

[sharp elk]

Your logic will not defeat the mighty Fadishop! 😏

[empty path]

But sILV2 was used, so that was like 50% discount

or free if you got it from staking

[tall crypt]

Don't understand. Please write simple, Google translator don't understand.

[tall crypt]

Ahhhh.. Yes But not all people pay with SILV2

[sharp elk]

Ah ok no problem. 🙂

Bad picture. No same as made up facts.

[tall crypt]

Ja ja ja. I remember this report bearing the seal of Illuvium, how dare you question it. Lean back and ask for forgiveness. Look at the video: https://youtu.be/4Yp6NRrww9g

[sharp elk]

There is your mistake. You believe what a YouTuber says.

Welcome to crypto. 😏

[tall crypt]

Youtuber is most beautiful as You. Well,
Inquire and tell me at what prices the lands were sold.

[sharp elk]

I am a particularly beautiful mushroom. That is true. 🙂

[naive knoll]

Do Blueprints require a certain amount of Facts to be found? What is the difference between a Blueprint and a Fact? You can make a skin from one Blueprint, is that right, but not from a Fact?

[empty path]

Correct, facts improve your chances to find a blueprint

[sharp elk]

Is that for me?

Very kind. 🙂

[tall crypt]

Remember price: 1000$-2700$-8700$-33000$

[sharp elk]

I’m starting to think that you aren’t going to send me a T4 🙁

[tall crypt]

Ohhh even 2, but if you don't give me your address. But since the World is upside down, if I gave them to you, you would say I cheated you.

[sharp elk]

I think it’s worth the risk. We could try with one T4, and then if I say I cheated you, you could keep the second. 🙂

Got to go before I get muted. 😆

Cya hf.

[dusk basin]

I have a t1 land I’ve been playing on, no blueprints yet. The free land they let you play on, do we get to keep anything from that or just the land we own?

[hoary salmon]

I started to play the beta this week and really enjoyed the experience. What can you do with the land nft side of the game?

[floral locust]

For now there is nothing you keep with free to play land, there is speculation that maybe in the future there could be account bound items obtained from free to play but that's just an idea

[bitter phoenix]

You will only be able to keep blueprints from land that you own. Not the free to play

[floral locust]

You can build up your city in IZ to farm fuel that is used to travel in the overworld, and find blueprints to make cosmetic skins for your ranger

[vivid cipher]

Hey. What is your primary language? We do have a pretty good number of mods that can speak different languages. They may be able to help.

[jolly iris]

Any rumors on the season 1 launch date for ILV Zero? I want all these blue prints to mean something finally haha.

[hollow shoal]

Haha don’t we all

[rancid lion]

we'll see how soon we get 0.1.4. If we get it tomorrow or in the next couple days then we're about 2 weeks out from season 1

[sullen remnant]

Is there a Chinese community?

[queen folio]

Yes, you can find it here:#1025478041192902767

[sullen remnant]

thank you

[sterile roost]

is quantum fabricant 6 the highest level?

[viscid remnant]

yes

[abstract wedge]

Is there a way to unlink your wallet from your illuvium account?

[little moon]

Not currently, its being worked on. Right now the only solution for changing wallet is just to make a new account and link the new wallet.

[abstract wedge]

Thanks for the quick reply. Is there a estimated date when it will be added?

[little moon]

I wouldnt count on it being super soon. I think its not the highest priority right now, resources are focused more on gamedev.

[abstract wedge]

Fair enough. Don't want to create a new account so will just wait. Want to transfer my land to new ledger address but no rush.

[little moon]

My guess would be late march at the earliest.

[abstract wedge]

Hopefully it's before they start illuvium zero alpha season 1 🤞

[slow geode]

how do i get ranger role?

ah wait i have twitter raider, that should be enough to get on beta?

[hoary forge]

Chatting with people but not spamming.
Yes Go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out the form

[slow geode]

thx, so i should recive access withing a week?

[hoary forge]

Yes you will get a email from [e-mail] in a few days.

[slow geode]

nice really wanna try it out

[lyric hamlet]

Wen

[slate merlin]

I finally got a Ti-ru! I have now found all 5 Illuvials on my T2 Halcyon Sea plot, and I'm just missing 2 blueprints right now.

[ancient panther]

Do we keep anything from the land we own on this first release of the game? Ive found all the blue prints so I otherwise have nothing to play for...unless this stuff rolls over...like the resources

[vivid cipher]

Everything you have right now will be wiped. You will keep nothing.

[ancient panther]

Sounds kinda sad...too bad we didnt at least get a participation NFT...lol

[vivid cipher]

Its for testing. Maybe reset the plot and see how to optimize your upgrading to getting blueprints even faster.

[vivid cipher]

Yeah that’d be cool

[ancient panther]

Is there going to be different types of Ore to mine in upcoming releases?

[vivid cipher]

There’s a bunch of types. Different ones in each of the 4 travel zones

[agile wasp]

Is it very rare for that scanner to pick up an illuvial??

[vivid cipher]

It can be.

[rotund reef]

Oddly enough, the two lands I play daily have both given me the 1% illuvial.

[idle rover]

I’m sure it’s been asked but are there plans to get this on IOS??

[little moon]

Apples current appstore terms of service would not allow Illuvium Zero to be put on the appstore.
There is a webGL version in development that IOS users would be able to use to play the game on their iphone's browser.

[languid flint]

What is it ?

[vivid cipher]

That was the percentage drop rate for successful scanning. I think the rate for the lowest ones was increased to like 4% or something though.

[timber glacier]

Fuel converters passive generation are also affected by efficiency. If their efficiency is below 51% they produce nothing. (on level 1, 2 and 4, as that would only have a generation of 1 multiplied by efficiency then rounded down if at 50% or lower)

And got it! 5th Biodata on my T1, just before lv1000

[fierce pollen]

Does anyone know if there is a bug that prevents you from finding the 4th and 5th fact for a biodata?

[rough stone]

feels great hey. I just got my 5th on T1 at level 478. I must have been really lucky. I've also got 6 facts but no blueprints.

[lyric lodge]

Wow on T1...can you share your strategy?

[rough stone]

Once we have our 5 biodatas should we remove our singularity scanners and replace them with more Materials labs? In my labs I've got some facts but no blueprints. How do we get blueprints? Finally, is there any point in getting the other science items or the statue and marketplace?

[lyric lodge]

How are is it to create skins ? Wil it take lots of time and resources ?

[lyric lodge]

Is there any update on when zero will relaunch ?

[rough stone]

Sorry I don't know.

[ivory bough]

You mean the reset and season 1? Not yet. There will be another patch where they will gather more info and feedback regarding the marketplace, but no more info about that.

[lyric lodge]

Yes ....nothing ....month ...year...week...decade ...century lol. No idea at all ?

[ivory bough]

The latest info can be found in the latest #📣〕announcements no more info has been shared regarding the reset.

[rough stone]

Can anyone please help me with these questions, or guide me to where I can find the information. Thanks.

[split root]

when

[amber rune]

how many days to get to level 1000

[thorn shadow]

can i install zero on another pc or is the progress saved locally?

[copper inlet]

both locally and on server, there is a risk you will overwrite server one with old save from one of your devices, so always remember to log off when you done playing

[errant pollen]

I am only getting 3 facts max per biodata too as per now.

[lyric hamlet]

Wen

[cursive mirage]

Is that how it should be? Since last update i also just find 3 facts on all plots. On some plots I allready got 5 and 2 of them were wiped after update.

[timber glacier]

About six weeks, if my count is correct.

[timber glacier]

well, I started out with 2 scanners, only got 1 biodata for like 3 weeks. Then upped the count first to 7 scanners, got 3 more biodata, then added another 3 scanners for a total of 10 before I found the last one.
If you meant the level, it's mostly from having high level resource buildings pretty early (1 of each mine, 2 of each converter, all lv8 with enough paths to harvest twice in a day).

[lyric lodge]

So for t1 I think best to just build a blueprint farm haha

[timber glacier]

Yeah, it's a lot easier than on higher tiers it seems. Much more free space on T1, just need a good layout. I can fit at most 13 Scanners (100% efficiency) on my plot, but then I barely have space for anything else.

[lyric lodge]

Did you use paths ?

[lyric lodge]

But don't higher tiers have more space ?

[timber glacier]

Yes, but just one side. Only scanned once per 24h.

[timber glacier]

No, higher tiers have the same dimensions, but also more resource tiles, so there's less space to fit scanners.

[lyric lodge]

There is less spacer on higher tiers hmmmm...well I think T2 are going to be the best middle ground

[timber glacier]

Higher tiers also have the production boost, so they generate more resources and fuel per building.

[marsh frigate]

Yes for the alpha, once you have the 5 biodatas, you could remove all your scanners and replace them with material labs and other buildings.
To find the blueprints, you need to research for them in your material labs. To help increase the efficiency of your material labs, you can put Databanks nearby.
Other science buildings are not needed yet. The holographic statue will increase your chance of finding an illuvial of the same affinity. No help in alpha but looks cool.
The marketplace is the big update coming in the next patch. There will be a simulated marketplace they want to test out before alpha season 1.

[lyric lodge]

Yes yes ☺️

[junior hollow]

can you transfer fuels to a different plot of land?

[ivory bough]

Not atm. It should be possible when it launches publicly.

[junior hollow]

yeah sounds good

[rough stone]

Thank you so much for that awesome information.

[serene prawn]

Question frens, if i buy secondary or transfer to another wallet a land level 500. I will receive it with the construction or it will reset during transaction?

[copper inlet]

reset in this aplha, but after official release buildings will persist (afaik)

[serene prawn]

@copper inlet thanks for answer, im aware about the global reset, just wondering if i buy, sell or transfer a land

[rough stone]

Quick question, if my Material Labs are already on 150% because of nearby power stations, is there any benefit of Databanks?

[copper inlet]

yes, that's what i meant, it will reset on sale event for now

[vivid cipher]

After v0.1.4 rolls out the marketplace should be usable. At least for in game trading or something like that.

If you have all the scans done there should be no need to scan further.

Biodata needs further research. Perhaps you need more of the science buildings to help in that research. I believe There are several YouTubers in #🎨〕community-content that have found all the skins.
I’ll try to take a look at who on here has gotten all of the blueprints

@empty path knows

[empty path]

You could place a holographic statue

[hexed talon]

For what do we need holographic statue in game?

[empty path]

Helps you find blueprints of that Illuvial

[hexed talon]

Got it, thank you

[marsh frigate]

No, if your material labs are already at 150%, the databank will not increase the efficiency further. Maybe the databank could allow you to reposition the power stations to increase the efficiency of other buildings however

[deep spade]

Can I use my zero account's fuel and resources to play Overworld on another account after the production is released?

My wife and I will each have our own accounts to play illuvium.

[fiery iris]

v.0.1.4 shouldnt be out until feedback for marketplace is addressed correct?

[random meadow]

Somebody correct me if Im wrong but I think you will have to sell the fuel either way and then buy it again,even for your acc

[deep spade]

thank you for your answer.

[deep spade]

I understand I can't send fuel/resources directly to another account.

[vivid cipher]

Not necessarily. The team way wait to make changes to their design after players have actually experienced it. The team is not guaranteed to accept the changes suggested by feedback. Not without significant DAO wide support.

You could try posting in #1020759212172775464 and finding support

[graceful vector]

Yeah, I asked the official illuvium account on reddit about that and they said you have to sell it to the market. It was something about keeping track of the total supply and demand to determine the prices of each fuel. But I agree, you should be able to transfer them as long as its within the same account.

[vivid cipher]

There’s some technical limitations that will make this tricky. But the team is certainly wanting it to at least FEEL like it’s a transfer.

[low river]

Are those fuel requirements from illuvium overworld set in stone? 3500 Crypton per run on a tier 3 seems quite masive in paper at least.

[queen folio]

They are not set in stone. So there will likely be some adjustments 🙂

[low river]

Makes sence to make it expensive, but with those current numbers maybe it will take months of farming in a tier 2 land just for a 15 min run in Illuvium overworld xD

[subtle frost]

Whats going on with ILV Zero updates?

[vivid cipher]

No news since this

#📣〕announcements message

[iron ginkgo]

Hello I have a problem with the converter I am converting crypton for hyperion, I have already done this manipulation it worked but just once since when the conversion is finished I claim the hyperion but it disappears from my tank you had a solution ?

[idle rover]

Will season one start a reset of the land?

[trim oracle]

Its calming to see its not just me that have no luck in scanning for biodata lol

[vivid cipher]

It will. Full reset.

[trim oracle]

how do you increase research efficiency? I'm stuck at 5%

[vivid cipher]

This has been resolved elsewhere it seems. The solution is higher efficiency. Don’t keep the same type of converters close together.

[vivid cipher]

Move the building around. Place power stations nearby. 5% sounds really low. Do you have multiple research labs next to each other?

I don’t actually have any running on my lands but I know others around here do.

[trim oracle]

sorry, let me rephrase that question. the efficiency of the building is at 150%, but when i research the biodata, the success rate is only at 5%. Is there a way to increase that?

[vivid cipher]

Oh. No. It’s simply not often successful

R&D is always expensive.

Maybe this…#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[graceful vector]

Yeah, Ive got 3 T1's, got all 5 illuvials + 15 blueprints on 2 of them, but then I just cannot get a damn Atlas on my last one.

[graceful vector]

No, the key is to just build more Research Labs. I had one scanner, 1 research lab, and 1 illuvial and managed to get all facts and blueprints for the 1 illuvial. But then I somehow got 4 more illuvials over the next couple days where I now had 20 more facts and 12 more blueprints to collect so I ended up with 5 research labs running daily and was able to collect them all in a couple weeks.

[cyan dew]

when iz

[hoary salmon]

anybody care to share their experience with a t1, not much availalable funding right now and want to determine if its worth it or too much of a grind

[trim oracle]

is there any point in upgrading the scanner or the research lab?

[graceful vector]

It is hard to tell what the return on investment will be this early. But the value in T1's vs the higher tiers is the skins. The cost of scanning and researching is pretty minimal once you get to Stage 7 for your resource converters and extractors and the Tier 1's have bigger spaces to build multiple scanners. There is a bit of a grind to get to a stage 7 nexus where your building count jumps from 50-100, but after that, you can just keep building power stations to get 150% and extra storage units instead of upgrading to the more expensive ones which helps you get the resources for building the scanners and research stations.

[graceful vector]

In this Alpha, no. But apparently in the future it will allow for scanning/researching higher tier illuvials.

[trim oracle]

so the 5% success rate is the cap right now for researching right?

[trim oracle]

is there any tips to finding more biodata with the scanners? or is it up to luck when the building is already at 100%?

[graceful vector]

yeah, I found it comes in waves. Like on 5 research labs, 1 day I will get zero facts or blueprints and the next day I'll get 5 facts/blueprints.

[graceful vector]

Anecdotally, I built a holographic statue and scanned 2 new biodata the next day, but that was probably coincidence. The way the statues are supposed to work in the full game is to find Illuvials of the same affinity. But the 5 available in Alpha all have different affinities.

[trim oracle]

thanks for your insights, this alpha is a really good tutorial for when the game launches.

[signal dew]

Up to 4 biodatas, 1 fact, 1 blueprint

[slate merlin]

Since Illuvium Beyond will be the primary focus next week, I was really hoping we would get Illuvium Zero Patch 0.1.4 this week . . . I'm ready to test out the Marketplace and any other changes.

[tardy falcon]

Took a little over two weeks to find first BP since converter nerf reset... then another week or two to find the other two for the same biodata. Still scanning for the other Illuvials... It's grindy on a t1 but once it gets going it's okay.

[analog drum]

Anyone else been on a Biodata skid the past two weeks? Don’t think I’ve pulled one on either scanner on my T1 in about that timeframe.

[hollow shoal]

This makes me a little happy because that just reinforces that these things will be hard to get. Or maybe you got them all already haha

[analog drum]

Haha fair point. Nope, only two so far. Did get all the blueprints for those two though

[hollow shoal]

Haha well that’s good. Can’t wait for wipe. Things will get more hardcore.

[slate goblet]

how much will it cost to use a blueprint and craft a skin?

[half turtle]

hey everyone, I have not played zero for several weeks, but I thought the data wipe a week ago? I downloaded IlluviumZero_Mac_v0.1.3_ProductionBuild_PROD but all my previous data (levels, credits & structures) are still there?
whats up?

[hoary forge]

The wipe plus the season 1 got delayed. Check #📣〕announcements

[half turtle]

Yea I was just saw pin with no dates and scrolled up to find pelican left a link to the announcement.. thanks!

[left onyx]

Will our land reset when season 1 starts?

[hoary forge]

Yes. All will be wiped.

[mystic crater]

So what do you think guys how much ROI is on the lands ? How much time and energy you need for return on investment

[opal thistle]

Imposible to say at the moment because there are too many unknown variables

[low river]

Are the blueprint skins only color palette swap? or are we going to get good quality skins such as games like fornite and so on?

[knotty blaze]

ehi guys, news on patch or reset?

[forest ore]

random thoughts. imagine if they plan on creating barracks on these lands and then go out and then we can ransack other lands. they could build a Starcraft game into zero.

[fickle goblet]

Would be a different thing from StarCraft but I get what you mean, the art direction alone lends itself to a scifi RTS. By the way, raids are being considered but still on the ice box for now

[exotic yacht]

Team should wait on full release of illuvium, and migrate all assets from starknet to zksync era. That would be the most bullish thing to do. Zksync > starknet and other l2

[lyric hamlet]

With what info you want to calculate? The marketing info they hooked everyone with? Or the zero update they given us so far?

[dire drift]

are we ready to keep what we farm in zero or is that still to come ?

[copper inlet]

so we still waiting for a total wipe (maybe 3 more weeks 🤷 ) and after that you will be able to keep only blueprints on a wipe during official release

[inner haven]

Is there an article that talks about the iluvium regions and their characteristics and mentions which region is better?

[ivory bough]

There is no better region. All have their own perks. You can try Illuvium Mediums from the website and check out Illuvium YT channel

[slim wigeon]

Was able to complete my second mega city because of a kind community member willing to sell the last plot missing.

Can't wait to see ILZ go life together with the OW.

There will be no more time to work 😆

[static mango]

hey all, do we know what the bonuses are for upgrading the materials lab to higher ranks?

[ivory bough]

To search for higher Tier BPs. not currently available though. Soon hopefully

[static mango]

ah okay! thats one thing in the future release that would be great is a bit more info on what upgrades do for certain structures.

[slim wigeon]

But there will still be the chance to find lower tier BP's right?

I think no rarity rankings available but higher tiers will be much scarcer than 5 % I would hope?

[ivory bough]

Well, both BMW and a carriage have wheels and move, but one is way better that the other haha. so, I believe a maxed out Lab can find normal BPs with no issue 🙂

[meager zenith]

@amber atlas When do you plan to implement the possibility of connecting megacities on illuvidex? This would make it easier to buy and sell them

[shell rose]

Hey all - will the illuvitar have any utility in zero?

[copper inlet]

only as profile picture

[shell rose]

Anyone here buying any? Ha

[dry mango]

in the future they will have more uses in both ecosystems but at first they will be used as profile pictures in zero

[low river]

Not me, Hard skip for now. Probably I'll buy a Headi just for the profile picture, but it seems it is not available in the first batch. I rather buy ILV.

[signal dew]

When you say blueprints only….Does facts and biodata count as “blueprints” or literally blueprints only?

[copper inlet]

nope, just blueprints, everything else is gone

[signal dew]

Ok thanks

[rancid lion]

LIES there is a better region and everyone knows it.

[ivory bough]

[rotund forum]

That will be your new work 😝

[slim wigeon]

Hope those T4 bring some nice blue prints and some fuel!
Sad is most will be spent in the OW to get those T5 😉

[faint rapids]

Do we have news about ilvz on iPhone ?

[ivory bough]

Not atm. iPhone Policy doesn't align with NFT games

[signal dew]

If apple keeps up this attitude I will be forced to go to a crypto friendly phone

[slim wigeon]

exactly what I thought today love apple but these restrictions will make me change everything!

[unkempt socket]

Do we have news about ilvz on season 1?

A week passed

[slim wigeon]

only info is first Illuvitars and soon the market place update.

I think we should get updates from the team in the next days.

[unkempt socket]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero messageo

[rotund forum]

I think if you have more than one T4 you should be able to both play overworld and earn something nice aside for sure!

We’ll have to wait the actual numbers but that seems just common sense, if not the masses would not be able to play overworld, and there would be no revdis. Looking at the prices they set for Beyond, I think they are aiming for accessibility for all.

[slim wigeon]

so should be now the patch 😄

[slim wigeon]

I think we will earn less than many think.
Also don't care as I am a collector and I think land will be more valuable even when diluted with more land releases in the future. But would be nice to be able to make some t3 runs for t5 Illuvials every month would love to finalise the illuvidex 🔥

[brisk willow]

I apologize in advance for the stupid question…why can’t I build my Hyperion extractor? I have all the required resources and cleared land…is it blocked for Alpha?

[blissful storm]

Do you actually have a fuel deposit to build it on?

if you have it, it could be you are maxed out and need to upgrade the Nexus

[queen folio]

What Kingyo said-- a Hyperion Extractor requires a Hyperion Reservoir on your land.
Then you need to be sure you're building the extractor right on top of the Reservoir.

[brisk willow]

I hope I didn’t accidentally clear it

[blissful storm]

you cannot clear/delete the element/fuel deposit

[brisk willow]

I’ll keep looking around and see if I can find it…supposed to have one

[blissful storm]

feel free to drop a screenshot showing where you are trying to build it

[brisk willow]

Found it hiding in some plants…thanks!

[upper plover]

Are only tier 1 illuvials gointg to be able to be minted at the end of Alpha Season 1 or will higher tier illuvials be able to be minted? Im wondering if it will be worth upgrading your scanner during alpha season 1.

[copper inlet]

minting going to be for blueprints (15 in total) based on biodata from only those T1 illuvials, yes. So you dont need higher level of scanner before official release

[upper plover]

@copper inlet When you say 15 total is that based on the number of illuvials by the amount of blueprints. (5 illuvials with each having 3 blueprints)?

[copper inlet]

yes 🙂

[upper plover]

You got a list of the Illuvials that you can get or a link that shows this?

[analog drum]

Might be the wrong spot to ask, but is there any way to track if specific land plots come up for sale?

[copper inlet]

like illuvials in game or list of blueprints?

[upper plover]

@copper inlet like the 5 illuvial biodata that you can get. I currently have 3 and wondering what other 2 are out there.

[copper inlet]

there you go 🙂

[upper plover]

@copper inlet thank you for all the help

[runic blade]

If I understand correctly, once you have a blueprint, you can mint as many as you want? If this is the case then what value will they have as there will be a limitless supply on the market?

[copper inlet]

in order to make a skin from a blueprint you have to sacrifice real Illuvial 😈 so it aint free

[upper plover]

@copper inlet how do you get "real Illuvial"? is that the same as the biodata?

[copper inlet]

ahh, you have to catch it in Overworld or buy on Illuvidex form someone who caught it after game officially launch

[upper plover]

@copper inlet thank you

[vivid cipher]

Not that I’ve heard about.

[amber atlas]

further to what @copper inlet said, the holders can also decide if they do or don't make, if you have a 1 of 1, that decision is purely yours, if there are just a few people holding do you limit the supply, hoping others do the same, or do you go hard on creating the items to get your items sold first (hello Mr Nash)

[formal owl]

Hello guys! I have a question, we got before quests on DeQuest platform that was related to Illuvium ecosystem, is there any perks for completing them? Or just for educational purposes?

[hoary forge]

We had giving away some stuff for points there. You did the quest, earned points and take the points and both you in some of the raffels with them. We where giving away NFTs,land plots, tokens....

[exotic ibex]

When does the reset happen?

[dry mango]

The new date has not yet been announced.

[hybrid walrus]

hey all, wanted to report a bug in illuvium zero game, where can i do that

[hoary forge]

?zero-bug

[lethal wyvern]

How to report a Bug?

Illuvium: Zero does not have an in-game reporting system

If you encounter any issues while playing Illuvium: Zero, we encourage you to submit a request through our online support portal: http://link.illuvium.io/bug. This is the best way to report bugs, as it allows us to track and address issues more efficiently.

[hoary forge]

⬆️

[lyric hamlet]

Wen

[hoary forge]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[proper void]

We have any idea when the Illuvium Zero will wipe?

[hoary forge]

No date announced yet.

[rancid lion]

yeah theoretically they will do a landsale when the demand for fuel outpaces the existing lands... so the existing lands won't lose revenue, they can only make so much and the DAO had to have been creating extra fuel just to keep up with demand.

but still, I think it makes sense to break it into smaller chunks than 20,000. if the fuel demand is extra high, maybe release a couple thousand new lands. that way if demand craters (market conditions) you don't suddenly have 40,000 lands fighting to sell fuel.

[fickle goblet]

They want you to reinvest your first sale profits into the 2nd... J/k yes I also think an adjustment will be made, will trust the council to decide what's best for all stakeholders 😇

[hardy brook]

I still haven't found atlas

[iron laurel]

I just found him today after a week of running 8 scanners on one plot.

I have found all five but not on the same plot.

My Shardbluff T3 has 4 and my Abyssal T1 I found Archie. I am not really playing the others, no scanners on them yet.

So now I am running the T3 scanners to see how long until I find Archie. They will probably reset first.LOL

[hardy brook]

You're doing better than me. I've only bothered with my T3. Look at the state of my T2 now lol

[pale bough]

The purple forest

[hardy brook]

I'm a little curious how many credits I could get out of this. Can't be bothered chopping the whole forest down though 😅

[pale bough]

I'm not sure to understand Land revenues.

It is said that 5% of the "Illuvium metavers" profits will go to the land owners and as land owner, we also need to sell fuel to get revenue, so what does it mean exactly ?

The 5% are not distributed but stored in a smart contract then when you sell your fuels, then you get ETH from this contract ?

[iron laurel]

I started chopping through plants on one of mine the other day and gave up. It looks like that.😂

[hardy brook]

Yeah let's just wait for the reset 😆

[iron laurel]

It'sall we can do at this point. It's too late.😂

[fickle goblet]

Id pay extra to mow that all at once 😄

[rancid lion]

When a landowner mints fuel from their land and sells it to the balancer pool, the DAO mints 19x the fuel as well. So 95% of revenue from fuel sales (in-game revenue) goes to ILV stakers. Last 5% goes to the land owners selling fuel.

The price and demand of fuel can change, however.

[analog drum]

Can higher level singularity scanners find T1 biodata?

[tall crypt]

if you now get a fuel income of $150/year for a Tier1, assuming that the number of users doubles, then your lands will go on to earn $300/year. Then it will be at this time that Illuvium places 20000 new plots. Income would return to $150/year.

[tall crypt]

With what you will have the fuel to mint new ones, you will lose the desire to mint more.

[fickle goblet]

How do you determine that 2x the revenue will prompt the DAO to launch the 2nd sale?

We'll never know at this point, that needs more data from player sentiment if we're losing velocity due to people getting priced out of fuel and/or T1s getting too expensive

[tall crypt]

suppose that in the month of June 8000 people play, if in the month of August the users increase to 16000, the demand for fuel would double. These are rough numbers, which would explain that a hypothetical exit to the market of 20,000 lands does not affect the income of landowners.

[fickle goblet]

Those are just random numbers, what if those 16000 players in August spend 5x more money? Can also speculate the other way

[tall crypt]

the summary of the mechanism that will reveal that a new placement of land must be made, lies in the fact that now a Tier1 piece of land is worth $550, if the market detects that it is profitable and productive, it will buy land until the price rises to $1100. Illuvium will then place new lands to drive the price down.

[fickle goblet]

That's not how it works lol

[tall crypt]

In any case, the system for the income you will get will be manipulated. Perhaps the marketing will establish that to play one day you will need 10 units of fuel at $5, one day to attract new players a campaign will be released that will say that you only need 4 units of fuel at $2. If the number of players is increased x10, the fuel price will be set to 1 unit at $5. The sale price of the fuel and the purchase price will always be adjusted as appropriate. That's why I think that the landowners will get between 15-25% annual return.

[vivid cipher]

It sounds like you may need to read up on how the rails on the price of fuel will work. The cost in the game will be priced in fuel tokens. And the price of the fuel tokens will only be allowed to fluctuate 25% up from the middle goal price and 25% down from the middle goal price.

[rough stone]

Geez I must have got lucky then. I only had to run 3 scanners on a single T1 for about 3 weeks to find all 5.

[tall crypt]

And if no one wants to play, how will you pay the landlords? What is the middle goal?

[vivid cipher]

If no one plays the game then no one buys fuel and the landlords sell into oblivion. There’s no guarantee.

[rough stone]

I don't even want to think about that scenario.

[vivid cipher]

We do not know what the base price of fuel tokens will be yet.

[hardy brook]

Yeah I'm saving my luck for the reset...hopefully 😅

[vapid quartz]

Feedback on alpha. This is a maxed level 9 Nexus. The airdrop is not even worth pushing the button at these high levels. If you want to keep the air drop function remain relevant, need to scale it up much more. Having a fun time playing the city builder game, looking forward to season one.
(I was going to copy the screen shot in here, but can't paste items I guess in here, anyways, the 25.6k for each resource while waiting 17.5 hours is way too low)

[empty path]

?support Please use the link below to log feedback so it doesn’t get lost

[lethal wyvern]

Illuvium Support

For support, bug reports, and feedback, please use the following methods to contact us:

• Bug reporting: http://link.illuvium.io/bug
• Feedback: http://link.illuvium.io/feedback
• General requests: email us at [e-mail]

[pale bough]

Oh, if that's true then It's really more interesting to buy ILV than lands.

If you have a land that will be 1/100 000 shares, worst than that because T1 will not give 1/100 000 of the resources because other land tiers have production boost and landmark boosts. But let just assume than 1 T1 = 1/100 000 of the fuels production (let put aside the fact that optimizing and playing lands will become a full part job and only pro gamers/guild will produce correctly, and lets assume than all T1 produce the same amount of fuels)

With all these wrong supposition, on the market, it will represent only 5% of the market volume.

Regarding the revdis, for the land owner, that will be the only income source.

For ILV stakers, and without doing anything, they will earn 95% of the fuels volume, which will be 20 times more than land owners.
And in addition, they (only ILV stakers) will also have other sources for their revdis.

Let say that right now a T1 cost about $700.
That's about the price of 10 ILV.
The max supply of ILV is 1M, so 10 ILV is also is like land, 1/100 000 of the supply.

So for the same price you can choose to work everyday and get land revdis OR staking ILV, doing nothing and earn more than 20 times this previous amount.

Am I correct ??

So why are we still buying lands ???

[fickle goblet]

I'd love to hear a more complete answer to this, but my take is that 1. land utility is subject to variables controlled by the council (can be made more profitable if it's proven to be lacking), but that also might mean less of an asymmetric bet investing in these. And 2. there could be other uses for land down the line that makes it more valuable apart from the fuel yield. Again, it's a good point you're making if we consider revdis so will follow this conversation

[fickle goblet]

I mean, downside to #1 is if landowners are owning too much we might see profits get toned down from policy changes which sucks but if the ILV price goes to the moon nobody will put a damper on it

[little moon]

Lands are just a lot more speculative.
ILV gets revdis and thats it.
Land gets 5% of fuel, blueprints, and maybe other cool stuff in the future.

Plus the NFT market is super irrational and things can be worth a ton just because people want it and its a limited supply. Thats a lot less likely to happen with the token.

[tall crypt]

I disagree.
ILV has gone from $1500 to $38 in 1 year. The land sold for $992 and is now worth $600.

[lapis gulch]

And T1 sold for around 3 sILV2 that was worth around 600 dollars.

[primal wagon]

Sorry spamming my idea but would really love anyone’s feedback #1080380994667941888

[blissful storm]

Land didn’t sell at ATH, isn’t it? it would have reached higher prices if so imo

[blissful storm]

I don’t think it’s a full time job once the land is setup and you only have to collect resource once or twice a day.
To get revdis you must lock your tokens whilst to get fuel revenue you don’t have to lock your land meaning you can sell your NFT if valuations get crazy but you wouldn’t be able to sell your ILV

[fickle goblet]

And in a dutch auction with no game to play or anything, which one is more speculative now

[pale bough]

That's true but you still need to connect everyday.

what about the ILV you already staked more than 365 days ago ?
I mean, it's not only the locked ILV in the staking which give you revdis ?
once it get unlock (able to unstake) after the period you chose when you stake you ILV, you still get full revdis (and staking rewards)

So if you lock now, you will be free to sell your ILV for the next bullrun

[blissful storm]

I thought the comparison was buy ILV now and stake it for revdis vs buy land?

[blissful storm]

at the end if the day people can do math and buy whatever they think it’s best for them but no one knows what the market will do in the future. I do enjoy building my land so that’s a pro for me. The team could also improve the Zero game and build an end-game 🙂

[pale bough]

yeah, that's the idea

[sharp elk]

Firstly, there are only 20k lands and not 100k.
100k is just the theoretical limit.

Secondly, ILZ is designed to be an enjoyable game. It’s not supposed to be a job. If you want to grind the game with the mentality of a job, that’s up to you, but the ‘having fun’ part is the main reason to buy a land.

Finally, yes you are right that buying ILV is very likely to give you better financial returns than buying land.
Many people have said this, but I don’t hang out in this chat much, so I couldn’t be certain how recently.

[rancid lion]

I wouldn't assume land is 1/100,000. There's only 20,000. It could take a couple years before the next 20,000 even go up for sale, could be a decade or more before full 100,000 are out.

Here I did some made up math projections, check out image attached. I took total number of fuel sites, multiplied by tier production boost, fuel landmark (which is an overestimation because fuel boost doesn't work for all fuels, T4 is slightly overrepresented here, based on each land's makeup). Based on my math for every $10m monthly revenue fuel sales do:
T1 - $5.45
T2 - $21.79
T3 - $65.37
T4 - $215.72
T5 - $653.70
And revdis would be ~$0.99 per ILV

So a T1 is AT BEST probably worth 5.5 ILV if you're only looking at fuel revenue.

Further Cons of Land vs ILV:
There's fuel overhead to construct buildings and perform actions. This will lower T1 revenue a more significant portion than it would say a T4.
ILV has more sources of revenue than just fuel.
You have to login and actually claim the fuel and sell it or it's wasted.

Further Pros of Land vs ILV:
Blueprints. If you get a good one and you're the only one with it you could make bucketloads selling skins.
The price could get stupid for no good reason because it's more scarce. The value can be affected by FOMO if people see skins raking in cash.

Conclusion
Personal opinion, I don't think a single T1 is worth buying for fuel production unless for some reason passive fuel generation from mass converters is viable. A T1 is imo for blueprint farming when you own a higher tier that you can send resources from, or in a megacity.

I decided to diversify. I got a T3 so I could be involved as it was the largest portion of my portfolio I could invest. I spent like 1.7 ETH on sILV2 and current floor is 2.85 ETH. I also got a T1 to focus more on blueprint farming. I also have a good chunk of SLP and ILV. My strategy was: "Why not both?"

[pale bough]

Sure, Having all Illuvium assets is a good diversification to whatever can happen.

All we know for now is that Illuvium will change the world so betting on anything in it should be good 😆

Thanks for your analysis and your figures, it's really helpful.

Now it's up to us to find out how much of our portfolio we are comfortable to allocate to each of these assets.

[fickle goblet]

Damn I wish they'd change the 95-5 split. It's so small 😦

It looks ridiculously low the more I look at that sheet haha that it's a bit lame thinking about it

[slim wigeon]

yes but you know the land has it's value also with out earning so I think 5-95 is reasonable as we need those funds for the DAO to run and grow!

[fickle goblet]

I don't know how to derive the value of the land other than it's expected yield. DAO will run and grow massively even at 90-10 or something. Imagine with the sheet above you need >$500M of revenue to recoup a T4. Just hope they do, could be an IIP one day

[rancid lion]

that was relatively low revenue... how about this per month?

[slim wigeon]

I think better would be not to launch any land until we really need to because of constant high fuel prices.
As this will bring down the value of land massively

[slim wigeon]

One day this will for sure be achieved at least when new games/regions launch!

[blissful storm]

How much did Axie did per month? and other AAA games? No idea if $200M is reasonable or not

[rancid lion]

Axie did $1.3b in one year, highest month was $364m in August 2021.

[fickle goblet]

I don't think that was exactly low... road to tens of millions in revenue will be hard! Maybe it's fair to compare this with other games, if we can pull up data

Are you considering the base land tier multiplier? T4s for instance will do 4x of everything a T1 does given same number of resources

The sheet assumes having extractors only (1:1 to fuel sites), but when you introduce converters the gap even widens, as the cost to convert don't go higher on T4

[low river]

Keep in mind that each tier of land produces more fuel. A Tier 4 land the extractor makes 300% more fuel than a tier one land extractor (0% boost)

[fickle goblet]

When I was playing around with optimizing land layouts before I was able to reach around 37 extractors in a T4 with 150%ish efficiency, with the landmark ones at 175. So an order of magnitude sounds pretty accurate given that

1. T1s will be the best space to do scans so using valuable real estate
2. The cost of conversion will eat into their net yield, and this happens each time they convert
   It really is gonna be tough for T1s to recoup their investment with the current variables

[real dawn]

Is there a new date yet for the season 1 where we can actually get blueprints?

[hoary forge]

No date announced yet. Sorry

[real dawn]

That's fine! just wanted to make sure I did not miss any news

[hoary forge]

No but if you like, go to #1038034977864032276 and get you the announcement role. So you get a ping everytime news coming up on #📣〕announcements

[empty path]

Clean

[fickle goblet]

Yeah between lands (each tier, the differences are reflected well on the price, but not sure with relation to the overall revenue potential of the project

Prediciting that updates to paths will change how we think about these layouts. Right now I wouldn't bother with them, the decrease in duration is an efficiency you won't get to take advantage all the time and better to optimize for more impactful clicks (ie better to click 1x a day for 1.2x vs click 1.2x a day for 1x) if that makes sense

[rancid lion]

In this area up here you can fit 10 scanners at 25% efficiency = 2.5x the output you have 😉

[fickle goblet]

Johnny mentioned iirc that Paths should imply connectivity, so I guess there should be more intention behind placing your paths. Sounds complicated but it would be fun to have a transportation system for all the buildings

[subtle frost]

can you keep your scanned blue prints now?

[rancid lion]

starting in about 2-3 weeks yes (there is one wipe before then)

[subtle frost]

oh so what you build now will be all gone and have to be rebuilt

[rancid lion]

correct

[subtle frost]

okay. great. 2-3 weeks or later.

[low river]

Or you can add 20 scanners and rotate them one by one to the 100% zone (probably is going to get fixed though)

[rancid lion]

Except we've already been told converters are being massively nerfed so they're more 1:1 and extractors being buffed to compensate, with the marketplace picking up the slack from converters.

At that point all resource production should be extractor output + passive converter output + any extra gained from converters operating above 100% efficiency.

Worth keeping in mind, you're really just competing against other land owners creating fuel to get a bigger slice of the 5%. You making more fuel won't increase sales of fuel in the game. So it's irrelevant whether you can spam 13+ converters at 150% efficiency... everyone else can too, which puts you right back at the same tiny slice of revenue.

Also I usually underestimate revenue because I want to be pleasantly surprised. I'm expecting maybe $100/mo from my T3 and $1-$3/mo revdis per ILV. If/when it does better than that I'm happy.

In regards to skin construction, yes it requires mats and an Illuvial. So the floor price of a rampyhre skin will be a ramphyre illuvial + all the mats, plus whatever profit you can get.

maybe my game didn't get the memo I dunno, I'm on 0.1.3 and I never noticed any change.

[rancid lion]

Well something's not right, I can find no evidence of that in patch notes, no mention of that balance change. I can find messages from Johnny about pairing the marketplace with converter changes to 1:1. Converters were never supposed to take the tier production boost.

So if tier production boost affects converters, then it feels like T3/T4 didn't really get nerfed much but T1 got massively nerfed and T2 is stuck in the middle.

[drowsy flower]

Is nft farming activated?

[blissful storm]

?

what do you mean?

[rancid lion]

fuel extractors do, I think it does matter if it's in patch notes, changes should be in patch notes

yeah I can see that now, thanks for the info. still seems wild to have tier production boost affect it, balance is completely different between different tiers.

I never saw anyone say the point of the nerf was to nerf T1s, it was because converters felt too powerful in general. Converters still feel massively overpowered on T3... enough I didn't even notice the values had changed. My T1 was already a LOT slower than my T3, didn't feel like that needed a nerf.

[cyan bone]

For those playing on Desktop and looking to zoom out for a complete view of your Land, this means new Extended BGs! (Halcyon Sea WIP)

This will change dramatically, but wanted to share a first look.

[fickle goblet]

It's already a dramatic improvement 🤩

[blissful storm]

It looks great!

[stiff talon]

That's actually proper beautiful! Looking forward to seeing the others!

[late grove]

might have missed this, but will IZ be available on iOS?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. But maybe just in browser as webgl.

[late grove]

ok, after a little google research, still cant figure out how to use that 😦

[vivid cipher]

It’s not available to use yet.

It’s playing a game in a web browser. But it’s not live yet.

[late grove]

Ok cool, that makes more sense then, I though I was having a brain malfunction

[sharp locust]

fine...

[bitter phoenix]

I ❤️ this. So beautiful.

[random siren]

So good!

[barren bolt]

Hi team ^^ little question, in terms of scanning, by region we have how many illuvial to scan? I've been stuck at 3 with all the facts and bleprints for a few weeks. I deduce that there are 3 per region max?

[amber atlas]

Tier 4: Level 6 Converter at 150% takes 6 grid squares and 24 hours to Convert 6 Fuel to 36 Fuel (+30 Fuel given the cost of 6). The converter gets 18 from passive generation during this time.

In the same time an Extractor at same level and efficiency produces 90 Fuel.

Extractor is ~2x better than converter in raw value 3x better per grid square.

(It is also easier to increase efficiency of Extractors, and Sites impact Converter efficiency too)

Extractors are much better even in T4 where the difference is most pronounced. At T1 the ratio is 5x better (raw).

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We don't want Converts to feel super powerful (like they did in first patch), but without Converters being reasonably effective there is almost no micro management gameplay (you can't move Sites/Extractors which limits gameplay choices).

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I'm not saying that Open Beta wont have changes to Converters, maybe enabled by new structures which add more interesting choices, but it is important that there are decisions to make.

[rancid lion]

Cool, thanks. Lowering the converters definitely lowered the ceiling for max fuel production for someone spamming converters. I like the change overall, just sort of expected it to be more punishing. Appreciate the insight.

Not sure it will change with upgrading scanners/mat labs to higher tiers, but right now I have zero challenge with element resources. I'm basically always capped max storage, and "wasting" my resources on cooldown just to pump my level for funsies. The things that I build cost WAY less resources than the millions upon millions of resources I'm getting.

[amber atlas]

we are thinking of ways to sink more elements in the game

for example alternative structures that decay over time, they produce better but need repairs

[rancid lion]

It would be nice to have some "minigames" or something else to do when everything is building/harvesting. Use resources to send a scouting party to look for illuvials for a short term boost to scanner efficiency. (with some interaction, not just starting an action)

[amber atlas]

yeah, for sure, do remember this is alpha and we put a pretty hard line on new features to make sure we got something out

[rancid lion]

Absolutely I'm just spitballing ideas. I assume the game will be a living project and keep growing.

[amber atlas]

the core features are there (marketplace to be there soon), but beyond this there are a lot of ideas floating around!

[amber atlas]

exactly

[slim wigeon]

Can fuel be sold against elements on the market place?

[amber atlas]

as of now no, if elements one day become ERC-20 then there would be no reason not to (given it could be done out of marketplace), but as of now no

[slim wigeon]

So the market place is only to test selling fuel to a virtual balancer pool or what exactly is it?

[slate merlin]

Can you give us any idea how much longer till the next patch? If not this week, it likely won't be next week with Beyond happening, and you previously indicated the Marketplace needed to be tested for at least a week, but probably more . . . so it's starting to look like April for the wipe?

[amber atlas]

@spring mist and @cyan bone are looking after the schedule, but I imagine the patch will be about a week after Beyond yes

[amber atlas]

End state: its allow player to player trade of elements for elements or fuel to fuel, this happens in game world and there is a time cost associated with how far away your plots are.

Alpha: the trades are simulated.

Primary purpose in Alpha is to ensure those with unbalanced plots, particularly at lower Tiers, aren't too harshly punished by Converter changes.

Longer term its just another way to distribute resources between plots, and creates a reason for clan/guild members to purchase plots near other members (fast resource swapping).

[cyan bone]

Shooting for 10th of March for Illuvium Zero v0.1.4, currently no blockers - testing is on-going to ensure no critical issues present.

[slate merlin]

Thanks for the reply Nick, I'm ready to test out the Marketplace!

[rancid lion]

Is the distance = time true for sending resources to our own plots with the zero point transducer? Should I sell my T1 and try to pick one up super close?

[bitter phoenix]

Welcome back Johnny. I hope you had a lovely holiday.

[blazing ferry]

Should in game goals be working now? daily/weekly/ability to claim old goals achieved?

[empty orchid]

Hello, I would like to know something about the staking of ILV. Is the price or the number of ILV who is stake ? Like for exemple I stake 1 ILV now at 80$ and tomorrow this same ILV will take 10$ on binance, will my ILV stake take it too or it stay 80$?

[blazing ferry]

The ILV you stake will keep market value, you just won't be able to sell it until the staking period is over

[empty orchid]

Ok thanks a lot ! that's clear

[blazing ferry]

So your staking dashboard will show 1 ILV / $90 if it goes up 10

np

[stable basin]

WHY DID I JUST LOG IN AND ALL OF MY SCANNERS AND MATERIALS LABS ARE GONE?!!!

AS WELL AS MY MATERIALS LABS AND IT DOWNGRADED MY QUANTUM FABRICANT BY 3 LEVELS!!

I'm going to support

[tropic saddle]

Haha, relax, it’s alpha

[main smelt]

i converted one carbon to solon today when I was harvesting the solon, it didnt show up

so I cant upgrade beyond stage 5

[random siren]

everything will be wiped in like 2 weeks anyways

[main smelt]

Blocker

[terse sable]

Is it known when the next patch is coming out for IZ and we can test the market place?

[vivid cipher]

Probably the efficiency on your converter is too low. Get that efficiency up higher. Like 100% or more.

[main smelt]

it said it converted the carbon to solon when i went to collect it didnt show up on my screen

i waited 24 hours for that conversion from carbon to solon

as it says

[vivid cipher]

The conversion completed. But since the efficiency was so low it rounded the output down to zero.

[main smelt]

i dont understand what that means

i have a carbon now do you want me to try converting

[vivid cipher]

No. Look at this. #❓❗〕community-help message

The game’s mechanics are strongly impacted by efficiency

[main smelt]

so how do i increase efficiency

[vivid cipher]

Buildings of the same type often reduce efficiency

They need to have more space between them.

Building power plants next to building ups efficiency. There’s a number of videos on YouTube explaining how to maximize efficiency.

Move things around while looking at the efficiency numbers.

Hopefully that starts to help

[main smelt]

in wat efficiency i can be certain the conversion works

[vivid cipher]

At least 51%. But it can get up to 150%

Which would give you MORE of what you are converting to

[main smelt]

ok

[upper plover]

Hey guys, hows it going my fellow illuvians

[barren bolt]

Anyone have an answer 😁😁😁 ?

[empty path]

5 bio data at the moment

[lunar briar]

Hi guys

When the next land sale?

[empty path]

We won't do additional sales until we understand the fuel demands. And an IIP needs to be done for any sale. So it will stick at these 20k for a while I think. And those people will have an advantage for a long time.

[tall crypt]

10%. When destaking You will take 1 ILV at the same price of market of moment. You never sell ILV, You take a few income additional ILV or sILV2.

[blissful storm]

Did the team confirm the reset date?

because if the delay was so we could test the marketplace and that goes in v1.4 March 10 I would assume they won't reset at least until the end of the month...

[ivory bough]

Nothing has been announced yet.

[ivory bough]

I really need a reset. My storage is about to explode 😄

[empty path]

Need a marketplace 😄

[fallow oxide]

Not sure if this has already been reported and fixed as I'm running the old version of zero.

But the level bar when you get to 2093 gets a bit crazy

[bitter phoenix]

Have you found all blueprints yet

[empty path]

Yeah a few weeks back

[bitter phoenix]

You will have your hands full with multiple plots

I have found 8 so far

[empty path]

I'll be playing 3 plots myself

[severe sparrow]

My holographic statue doesn’t seem to be working. I can see a very small amount of the Kukka at the back of the building but the rest is hidden by the building

[empty path]

This is a known bug and will be fixed in a future patch. Thanks for taking the time to let us know

[severe sparrow]

Ah thanks Fraggy 😀

[empty path]

Thank you ejs

[vagrant osprey]

are there going to more blueprints in the next alpha session

are still 5 x 3

[ivory bough]

Thx m8. hadn't seen that message.

not officially announced though 🙂

[exotic ibex]

Any idea if iPhone users will be able to play zero on there phones ?

[signal dew]

I don’t think so yet bc apple has a stupid crypto policy

[dry mango]

the team is working on a solution for this but It might not be available at launch

[exotic ibex]

Damm that sucks man... that's the only way I can actually play

[dry mango]

unfortunately it does not depend only on our team

[austere tendon]

Slowly saving up to get my first piece of land, looking forward to playing soon 🙃

[neat zenith]

Can I research the same Illuvial Biodata if i already got its fact but havent got its blue print ? i have Kukka Biodata and Fact but not Blueprint.

[empty path]

Sure you can, getting the facts improves your chances to find the blueprint

[neat zenith]

Oh i see. so there are more than 1 fact for each Illuvial?

[empty path]

Correct 🙂

[ornate spindle]

5 stg1 biodata is all the available ones in IZ alpha ?

[copper inlet]

yes, 5 biodata and 3 blueprints for each of them (15 in total)

[lunar wraith]

We are on the alpha stage of ILV zero???

[copper inlet]

yes, alpha season 0 right now

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[severe sparrow]

How do I improve my chances of getting bio data?

[copper inlet]

for now you can only build more scanners and try to make all your scanners as efficient as possible (build as far from other buildings as you can manage)

and surround them with roads so you get more scans

[severe sparrow]

How much does upgrading the scanner help?

[copper inlet]

for now it does NOT help at all

upgrating your scanner helps you with finding higher tier illuvials (and in alpha we have only Tier 1)

[severe sparrow]

Thanks for your help 😀

[fresh glacier]

What’s the difference between bio data & blueprints?

[hallow dagger]

Hello I have tier 1 land and I have a Biodata, 3 facts and 3 blueprints, what should I do with these?

[copper inlet]

from biodata you reaserch blueprints

[copper inlet]

right now nothing, after next wipe you will be able to mint blueprints you found after this next wipe

and from this blueprints you will be able to make skins and sell them to players

[fresh glacier]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[viscid bolt]

How do you have so much fuel? What tier land is it? The fuel storage maxes out at 667, right? So, you must have at least 4 of each.

[ivory bough]

Balanced T3. 2 of each fuel + two convertors for each + two max storage for each

[rotund forum]

I don´t know if this depends also on the tier, but a fuel storage on a T4 maxes out at 2000 each.

[viscid bolt]

But isn't the max storage for converters 67 each and 667 for the containment units? Wouldn't that be 1468?

[rotund forum]

and you have room for about... 8 max. for each fuel. 16K for each fuel, plus the converters, although I don´t think they can hold that much, I haven´t leveled any of them up to max level though. So no idea on that

and it might change again in a couple of weeks

[sharp mulch]

Hmmm the alpha sticker should be in the lower right of the photo like a stamp

[rotund forum]

The higher the tier, the higher the production boost, but... this might also affect the storage silos.

[ruby gorge]

Hey guys - hoping someone can help out
trying to make an offer on the lad plot next to mine
Halcyon Sea 559,488
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd/88672

land*

[queen folio]

At the moment, offers can only be done on IMX for plots which are listed for sale. No offer ability on unlisted plots, unfortunately.

But hoping that feature will come soon in the future!

[ruby gorge]

alrighty all good - cheers mate !

[cyan bone]

IlluviDex Land UIs getting a healthy uplift also,

[ruby gorge]

Picked up Crimson Waste 706,379 instead !

[rotund forum]

selling a T4 for 3 figures... you´re either high, or reallyyyyy strapped for cash. This is fake I assume

[random siren]

yes its just updated ui graphics

[cyan bone]

Testnet 🙂 just sharing the updated BGs for the Land

as I really love the tile updates

[marble raft]

What is the best land as far investment return and affordable

[tropic stump]

tier 2 the best choice for me

[fervent rampart]

Am I allowed to attached PNG of my Land to ask for advice on how to make it better?

[vivid cipher]

Maybe in #🗻〕land-owner But I’m not sure your roles have permission to do it.

[ivory bough]

Not really, at least not on T3. I have 2 storage for each (6 in total) and all are maxed out, storing 1000 units each

[unkempt socket]

?zero-hotkey

?hotkey

OK…🙃

[lone grotto]

[barren bolt]

Hi Team ^^ for several weeks it's very boring ... I update my resources (extractor & converter) I close the game and during the restart nothing was launched and therefore no resources generated ... Anyone have the same problem?

[winged notch]

is the marketplace open now? or new alpha version still not oiut?

[ivory bough]

did you start the generators to generate resources?

[ivory bough]

Not yet

[barren bolt]

Sure ^^ I launch all and validate all, I keep the game on 5min after launching as a precaution and once the game is turned off, 1 time out of 2 no ressrouces or research has been finally launched

[ivory bough]

Everything works well on my land, but still, if there are any bugs, the new patch should fix it. Should drop soon.

[mystic forum]

Question. Will the land progress maintain when sold to another person

[bronze prairie]

Hi guys. auto_awesome

Illuvium beyonde is a separate and distinct game, nothing to do with IZ and the rest of the group?

[rose cairn]

Yes, but you can use Illuvitars as profile pictures

[agile sigil]

Have anyone upgrade some fuel to the max lvl and how much fuel they are generating then? appreciate it 🙂

[bronze prairie]

and those cards will be able to be traded like IZ land?

[marble raft]

Ok I’m trying to buy it , it says not enough funds

I still have funds available

What is the deal ? Glitch error ?

[hollow ember]

good question sir

[timber glacier]

Are these funds in your wallet or the IMX layer 2 wallet?

[marble raft]

It’s my wallet

Do I need to do something else ?

[timber glacier]

I assume you're using the Illuvidex?

You need to link your wallet to your Illuvidex account, and you also need to connect it to the IMX platform and transfer funds there to be able to interact with the marketplace if I remember correctly

[marble raft]

Ok transfer my funds to imx ?

I connected already

I’m connected

[timber glacier]

Yes, if you click your wallet at the top right of the page it should show your current funds.

There should also be a "Deposit" button to add funds to the IMX layer

[marble raft]

Ok I see it now

Man if sucks so much gas spent

[rose cairn]

They are NFTs, so I guess they will be tradable within the game

[bronze prairie]

And how do we get a new deck? By buying another one or can you earn by playing

[timber glacier]

It might take a little while for the funds to show up (for me usually 5-10 mins)

[marble raft]

How long does it takes to show up

Ok , now that I have land can I join the other games ??

[rose cairn]

I haven’t found any info on that as well

[marble raft]

It is nft for sure will be trade-able at some point

[timber glacier]

Yes, you can verify that you're a landholder then fill out a form for beta access, then you'll get access to Arena and Overwoorld as well. You just need a land in your wallet to get access to Zero.

#🎫〕verify-asset and #1075137668821823628

[marble raft]

Yes. Just bought but is taking a long time

[abstract lodge]

Is the game down right now? When I launch it on my PC, it won't get to the login screen

[timber glacier]

seems fine to me

[hoary salmon]

If I have beta access for UW and arena on one account and hold my land for zero on another account am@I doing myself a disservice? Is there a benefit for combining?

[tall crypt]

especially the price

[nova epoch]

wennnnnnnnn dzierski wennnnnnnnnn

[copper inlet]

🔮 2 weeks

thats how much i need to collect all remaining blueprints on land i play i think xD so it would be perfect time to total wipe ^^

[amber aurora]

so close to buying an android tablet just to play Zero....

[amber aurora]

How is the play experience on Android? Folks happy with it?

[copper inlet]

played both PC and Android and is very very good 🙂 sometimes is hard to click something etc, but thats partially cuz mobile and partially cuz Alpha stage i guess 🙂 for the stage we are on right now, its more than i was expecting tbh

few more features/ fixes and we golden here

[marble raft]

When she season is going to be over

Does it has ranking

[oak solstice]

Progress will transfer after open beta starts. While in Alpha testing progress will be reset if sold.

[marble raft]

Ok when does this seasons resets ??

How much are we selling from our resources , is it going to be sold in ether ?

[oak solstice]

No announcement for when the alpha season 1 starts or ends yet. Can't sell anything in alpha. Only thing we can earn potentially are the 15 blueprints

[white cedar]

Added SILV2 to TokenTrove for those that want to buy/sell land in that

[oak solstice]

That is at the current sILV2 price tho. You shouldn't buy with that since you aren't gaining the extra benefit of getting sILV2 at ILV price like during land sale or Illuvitars.

[marble raft]

Im buying lands

What is the benefits having multiple lands

[amber atlas]

The Alpha is not about earning, its about getting the core game right... its an opportunity to play and provide feedback (and learn about the game prior to Open Beta).

Although technically the Alpha Blueprints from Season 1 will be mintable and thus saleable, I would advise against going in with the expectation they will be valuable, there is likely going to be close to 20k of each!

[lapis gulch]

Not if an idea like #1077508131422216223 gets implemented to introduce a sink for them.

[amber atlas]

its a very cool idea, but I still doubt that Tier 1 Stage 1 Blueprints, which have a head start of 20k over other Tier 1 Stage 1 Blueprints, would hold a lot of value... I don't want to get any further in to price speculation, but my advice is still "Don't play the Alpha expecting big profits"

[quick crater]

Any news when the reset is coming?

[amber atlas]

I doubt we will say anything until after Illuvium: Beyond launch

[quick crater]

Alright thanks mate

[tall crypt]

What is big profits? 15-20% : Actual value of all lands is 40M$, at the begin It's acceptable 6-8 M$ in a year for landholders.

[amber atlas]

I'm talking about the blueprints minted as part of Alpha

[tall crypt]

Included combustible and blueprint

[amber atlas]

I don't even know what you are saying, 'combustible' is not a thing.

You are welcome to speculate however you want, but the facts are:

• the publicly published intent of the alpha is to test the game and assist with bugs, mechanics and balance, that's it
• the only 'reward' from the Alpha is, at most, 15 blueprint NFTs per plot, and there there will likely be approaching 20,000 copies of each Blueprint

[tall crypt]

They have not said anything, when they start to say something it will be 2 months away. Now his obsession is selling trading cards through Illuvium Beyond. We are only 7000 land holders who have bought land, how many of these will buy more than 1 d1sk, 2 at the most. For now, just play the beta to detect errors. I have paid $50 to 3 Illuvium Zero players to play and get used to it. If we stop playing it will take longer.

[tall crypt]

I said when Illuvium Zero will run completly finished:

[quick crater]

Fair. We bought a few lands back when reset was supposed to happen in Feb figuring we'd test it out, then get a few blueprints (whatever they're worth) to see how it works. Haven't played since they announced that the reset is off track and all the focus is elsewhere. 🤷‍♀️ just check in every now and again to see if there's news so I don't miss it.

[amber atlas]

The focus isn't elsewhere the IZ dev team has nothing to do with Illuvium: Beyond development (other than maybe an hour or so spent internal testing as everyone on the team is encouraged to do). The decision of the new Season 1 date needs to go to the council, informed by the teams progress, and I don't expect they will want to decide or announce that until Illuvium: Beyond is out which is just a few days away.

[tall crypt]

It didn't cost them anything to give away some discount vouchers for Illuvium Beyond for every 100 experience points we got playing in Illuvium Zero. But the marketing thing they don't do very well.