🎮〕illuvium-zero

[thin wolf]

Speculate how much I can sell it for🥳

[humble lichen]

what do others do with BPs untill game comes out

[thin wolf]

On a more serious note, I want to get as much exposure to Illuvium as I can (token, land, illuvitars & Bp) for the long term

[humble lichen]

also speculate on how much they can sell it for, wait who is buying, oh nobody, oh fuck everybody selling aaaah ok i'm just going to hold BPs now I'm a BP bull now, BP investor cool, I have a long term horizon, I'm not a trader, I'm an investor

[thin wolf]

No point to sell BP before the game is out and even then you can instee produce skins and keep the bp. Me personaly is not looking for a short term profit.think 2-5 years.

[thin wolf]

Did you just responf to your own post?or did you forget to switch account😬

[ocean haven]

dont worry you can use them in about a year, or you watch land fall 90% more and buy 5x more land

[humble lichen]

I'm answering for you

[thin wolf]

No need😃

[humble lichen]

It's no problem, I just described your exact thought process for when BPs come out, it will be fun!

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-19567619

[humble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-evil-laugh-mwahaha-motivated-bad-boy-gif-16287658

[primal kayak]

Would be great if we see update on IZ how work is going from devs

[gusty fractal]

check the pinned 🙂

[analog inlet]

That was an estimate not a "released date" there has never been any specific date when it was "supposed" to come out estimates can change.

Its been said that the team is "aiming" to get #🎮〕illuvium-zero Alpha version out sometime in September but you will need to be a landowner to play

If your talking about "LIVE" IZ will be in beta mode till overworld is ready to go LIVE. No estimate when Overworld will go live as it has not even entered any form of beta yet .

( #🎮〕illuvium-zero and Illuvium Overworld will go live at the same time No earning till Live and all #🎮〕illuvium-zero progress will be reset before live as well)

[primal kayak]

Last message was 13.08 🙂

[gusty fractal]

#🚰〕leaks message

[hearty cradle]

lookscommon doesnt look common at all

[devout elk]

What is BP?

[radiant sky]

Blueprint

[devout elk]

And whats that ?

[thin wolf]

Its basically a recipe to make the skins in the maingame

Like these.

Only people who have the BP can make skins.

These are the base skins😃

[devout elk]

Okkk nice

[cyan dew]

That's actually sick smh.

[hearty cradle]

wht do u guys think about skins

[humble lichen]

hot

[hearty cradle]

do u think it will be noticeable in the arena

some illuvials are huge

[humble lichen]

I get what you are saying, maybe not the details but should be visible to see you got a rhamphy mozart

[hearty cradle]

but mozart is single player

[humble lichen]

in the arena, you can see mozart on the right side next to the board

[shrewd nova]

I think it'll be based on how popular this game gets....I think imtrest in BPs scale with number of players

The more players the more you wanna look cool in pvp and tournaments and if the game makes it so players can make money bps could be a rev source

[slate kayak]

Actually a good point, would be cooler if Mozart worked like tft little legends. Where you can emote with him mid battle

[humble lichen]

That's why we need multiplayer in Sanctum Mesa asap, the "pre game social lobby"

[hearty cradle]

yea of course more popular = more overall demand

but is the skin noticeable?

the ranger is very small next to titanor

[humble lichen]

mozart 🥰

[hearty cradle]

lol

thats very very smol

[humble lichen]

smol tings can be cool too

[hearty cradle]

i spent money on skins

but the ranger

is so smol

[empty path]

Zoom out a bit more

[hearty cradle]

do people zoom in every wave?

[humble lichen]

Jag zoom out a bit plz, I can still see titanor from here

[hearty cradle]

lol

i took this from youtube

hang on

let me find a better one

better?

is this how people normally view?

[shrewd nova]

You make a good point honestly

Maybe skins can have streaks?

And make attacks lool different

[little moon]

Well people buy skins for themselves in first person shooter games. And in those you cant see yourself at all. You just get to look at it on the menu screen 🤣

I know most people dont but I zoom in a lot when i play cause I like to see the action up close.

[humble lichen]

Don't really agree with this, Counter Strike has the biggest market on skins of the 1st person shooter genre (if not all games btw). And there you can see your own gun skins and other players can also see your skins

[grizzled remnant]

your skin will show in overworld too, will be amazing there

[little moon]

You dont agree that you cant see your character in a first person game? Yeah theres other skins like gun skins that you can see but the PLAYER SKIN is not visible to you while youre playing.

[humble lichen]

Why are you even talking about "real" skin, there is no skin for a "character skin" in CSGO, it's not relevant at all. If you can't see your own "character skin", you don't buy it to view it yourself, you buy it to just own it or flex on others. If you can't flex on others there is less value in a skin

And I am disagreeing with your statement that "people buy skins for themselves", not the "can't see character in fps game" statement

[little moon]

Im not talking about a "'real' skin." You may actually notice that the word 'real' was not used in either of my statements so im not sure who you're trying to quote here.
CSGO is not the only first person shooter so just because there isnt a player skin in that particular game doesnt make my statement about first person shooters in general irrelevant. It just makes your example irrelevant.
I was thinking of games like Apex or COD where you can buy skins and you dont see them while you play. Yes people buy the skins for other people to see them but in Illuvium your opponent WILL be able to see the skins, so they will be able to be used to "flex on others."

Im just confused by this last part. People buy skins for themselves. Are you saying you think that 100% of skins are purchased by someone as a gift for someone else? I know for a fact this isnt true.

[humble lichen]

What is your point?

[shrewd nova]

Illuvial skins

[humble lichen]

Who cares about Apex or COD, I'm taking CSGO as an example because it's the biggest skin marketplace, so the dynamics there are interesting. I don't care about cod or apex, or some other low liquidity skin marketplace and you shouldn't either

[little moon]

My point is that even though areln is small, people will still want to buy skins for her. The fact that it will mostly only be seen on menus, in the overworld, and when zooming into the autobattler wont be a significant turnoff. This is evidenced by the fact that people buy plenty of skins in games where the character skin is even LESS VISIBLE than it will be in Illuvium.

[humble lichen]

Did it occur to you that the volume on skins of COD and Apex is so low because of the reason you can't see the skins *compared to CSGO?

[shrewd nova]

But they only pay a few dollars, no where to what web3 skins will cost. Also I think illuvial skins is more important

[humble lichen]

It's not about you buying skins for Arlen, it's about "how do we get the most people to buy skins for arlen"*

[hearty cradle]

Arlen need beef up

[shrewd nova]

I thought they actually said no skins for her

[little moon]

Honestly I dont spend my free time researching the volume of skin purchases on games I dont play. I do know that games other than counter strike do hundreds of millions of dollars in skin sales annually.
Im confused what you think the solution is though? Just make Arlen bigger so that she is easier to see?

[shrewd nova]

Since elements change the skin

[little moon]

You get skins for the ranger and Moz4rt. Illuvials dont have skins.

[humble lichen]

There doesn't need to be a solution. We're just looking at the situation as is and trying to see what will happen and what would be smart to do for the DAO

[hearty cradle]

We need bigger ranger for the skins

[winter python]

I’m feeling better got some new lands 😀

[little moon]

So you just want to complain that people wont buy skins because the ranger is too small? And tell people who say people will still buy the skins that they are wrong? Weird FUD

[shrewd nova]

No I'm pretty sure it's the opposite...

[little moon]

Im 100% sure im correct.

[shrewd nova]

There will def be illuvial skins

[hearty cradle]

why would titanor wear atlas skin

[shrewd nova]

Any resources?

[empty path]

Illuvials always look the same (if you ignore the holo's)

[hearty cradle]

[shrewd nova]

So the skins from research is just for character?

[hearty cradle]

Armor

[shrewd nova]

Not illuvials?

[humble lichen]

Look man, there is no reason to become angry because you don't like the situation as is. Would say it's more like feedback than fud but ok

[empty path]

Skin for ranger / drone

[hearty cradle]

sell?

[shrewd nova]

So just to confirm, the skins in the research center are not for illuvials?

[little moon]

Im not angry dude. All I said was that I think people will still buy the skins even with the ranger being small and you started trying to tell me im wrong 🤣

[shrewd nova]

Omg if that's the case yeah then this is a scam

[little moon]

scammed yourself by not doing research?

[hearty cradle]

[empty path]

No

[hearty cradle]

u seriously thought it was for the illuvials?

damn i was right

[humble lichen]

Think about it, why would people buy a T3 version of rhampy Arlen skin if others can't tell the difference between a T1 and T3. Market of fake Louis Vuitton bags is big for a reason

[hearty cradle]

ranger is too smoll

Imagine the same skin but in 5 tiers

[shrewd nova]

Yeah this is useless

I thought it would be like armor on your illuvials

[hearty cradle]

Lol

U wish

[empty path]

No

[hearty cradle]

its for no booty arlen

arlen need some calorie

yea i was hesistant to buy land because of this

[shrewd nova]

Yeah I'm probably gonna start off loading

[hearty cradle]

they need to show us ranger skin on the arena

next to stage 3 illuvials

[little moon]

Im really glad they arent trying to do Illuvial skins. The game would be in dev for 5 more years if they did that.

[shrewd nova]

Why did we need to get bio data from passing illuvials if it's for ranger

[hearty cradle]

omg man

[shrewd nova]

Man everyday I get more disappointed

[empty path]

Because the skin looks like the Illuvial

lol

[hearty cradle]

lol

ru trolling

[empty path]

I think so

[shrewd nova]

Honestly no....I really didn't think they were trying to sell us on ranger skins

[little moon]

Im pretty sure a T1 ramphy skin and a T5 ramphy skin will look exactly the same. Its just the armor stats that would be different.

[hearty cradle]

we capture the illuvials, we skin them alive and then bind it to our armor

T5 ramphy armor get meteor strike omega

9999999 damage to all

[humble lichen]

Ok stage 1 and stage 3 then

[empty path]

Do you even watch the leaks?

[hearty cradle]

he prob just degen land

[shrewd nova]

Lol yes fraggy

Where did it specify this?

[empty path]

So how many ranger / drone skins did you see and how many Illuvials playing dress up did you see?

[hearty cradle]

Trus me bro

jag knows everything

[shrewd nova]

How many leaks were meaningful? Very few

[empty path]

I'm actually surprised you knew this

[hearty cradle]

what

[shrewd nova]

I do....I'm gonna start off loading

[empty path]

Yeah, maybe better you sell

[shrewd nova]

100000% still in the green better get out of this train wreck

[hearty cradle]

Kek

[empty path]

Thanks for joining

[hearty cradle]

goodluck seling

[little moon]

Well I assume people would by the stage 3 because it looks cooler. As I said before there are games where people buy the skin and cant see it at all ingame so even if the differences are less visible than you might like there will still be a lot of people who want to buy the skins.

Ill buy T1s at .24 and T2 at .6 if youre selling

[hearty cradle]

lol

Is that the floor now?

[little moon]

I dunno. Volume is kinda trash so if he wants to get out fast its a guarantee sell.

[hearty cradle]

which region

[shrewd nova]

Lol honestly, might be better than holding this trash

[hearty cradle]

its not trash, its jpegs

[little moon]

I knew ppl were gonna get tilted when they realized land wasnt everything the youtubers cracked it up to be but I wasnt expecting it to happen before the alpha released!

[empty path]

It's ok, he didn't say a positive thing since he joined. Probably doesn't even have land

[hearty cradle]

scoriox promised me generational wealth

[left musk]

Hahahahahahahahshahahahah

[shrewd nova]

Eh fraggy, you're grumpy and only see grumpy.

[little moon]

Scorix seems like a nice guy but if you follow his investing advice youre doomed to be poor.

[shrewd nova]

Hahaha

[hearty cradle]

He said ill be a millionooooooorrr

[shrewd nova]

TSG everything illuvium says is "absolutely insane"

[empty path]

If you say so 😅 Don't know if I believe you tho, you wanna put titanor in a dress

[winter python]

I thought lands were going to be residual income

[shrewd nova]

You don't have to believe me 😃

[hearty cradle]

turns out to be an expense

[little moon]

Its more like active income. Since you have to play the game to earn.

[winter python]

Yeah I don’t mind that part

[little moon]

Kinda like a job but you pay to get it and you can do it while you poop.

[hearty cradle]

i buy land so i can lose money

so we buy land to work??

wait a min

hold on

[shrewd nova]

It's those jobs that require you to pay for training

[hearty cradle]

Let me get this clear

[empty path]

Here we go

[little moon]

no you buy the land to rent it to a vassal so they can work.

[winter python]

I wasn’t expecting that lol I was just saying

[hearty cradle]

we buy an investment but we have to work?

[empty path]

That depends

We don't know the reason you got land

Maybe you just want to flip it later because you think price will go up 🤷‍♀️

[shrewd nova]

They don't know the reason why we bought land lol

[hearty cradle]

Im a collectooor

[little moon]

Aww heck i gotta go. Later Gs

[hearty cradle]

cya

yea this chat is getting depressing

have fun tajir

[shrewd nova]

Thanks man, you too and good luck

[empty path]

What's depressing about it

[shrewd nova]

Wait

Do you own land?

[winter python]

Well hopefully in a couple years we are making a nice income form our lands

[hearty cradle]

if

[shrewd nova]

Do you own land?

[hearty cradle]

yes

maybe not for long

[shrewd nova]

How many plots?

[hearty cradle]

too many

im in red

[shrewd nova]

Ukh yeah gotta sell them all

That's the illuvial catch phrase

[hearty cradle]

i didnt expect it to drop like this tbh

i was a fool

[shrewd nova]

Me too

[little moon]

Solar tried to warn you guys...

[left musk]

We

[hearty cradle]

yea damnit

[little moon]

But the landbois just wouldnt listen

[hearty cradle]

i kno

[shrewd nova]

I trusted them when they said 4 weeks....that's what gets me man. It was so obvious as soon as the sale ended they were like ummm we meant 4-8 weeks

[hearty cradle]

[shrewd nova]

Then 🤷‍♂️

[hearty cradle]

Poof

[little moon]

This might be the low RN if the game releases in september like they say.

[hearty cradle]

if

[little moon]

could always just average down

[hearty cradle]

u want me to dig deeper?

[compact nebula]

It will be 24 weeks again I think

[shrewd nova]

I don't think so...can't earn until overworld

[little moon]

Theres a degen inside you clawing toward the keyboard ready to buy.

[hearty cradle]

i gotta pay the loan shark man

[thin wolf]

What the shit is this depressing talk about Land?

[hearty cradle]

the usual

[empty path]

It's hilarious

[hearty cradle]

im in token

haha

[little moon]

you are token

[hearty cradle]

yeaaaaa

[shrewd nova]

Also depressing

[hearty cradle]

what is

[empty path]

You kids be nice, I gotta go to the gym

[shrewd nova]

The token

[hearty cradle]

[hearty cradle]

hav fun

[hearty cradle]

its the greatest

[thin wolf]

We need Imx to get Offering in so i can have my MC😢

[winter python]

I’m confused on why everyone so upset with lands

[hearty cradle]

ur not?

have u checked yur bag?

[shrewd nova]

What's there to not be?

[thin wolf]

Ohhh,i get it.Jag is looking to get cheap land so he is using psyops to get people to sell😬

[shrewd nova]

It's been going down

[winter python]

I get the dates and all getting pushed back,

[shrewd nova]

Jag doesn't need to do anything for it to drop

Illuvium is taking care of that for him

[winter python]

Is that why you think it’s down?

[thin wolf]

You seem like a bundle of joy

[little moon]

A lot of people just didnt understand what they were buying.

[shrewd nova]

Eh Im not a fan boi and I call it as I see it

[thin wolf]

See what?

[shrewd nova]

This

All this mess

[thin wolf]

You need to expand your view longer than weeks.
When we get the full game,no one will remember this.

[shrewd nova]

What do you base you vision on? I base it on everything they've said showed us and done and everything that has happened so far this is buts

[dusty agate]

So when

[thin wolf]

You must be watching a different channel, they are building something that will have an impact and build a foundation for many games the next 10 years.

[thin wolf]

Best guess.

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[shrewd nova]

Cuz they post pretty art? Yeah... revaluationary

[winter python]

My understanding is that the lands will fuel the games they make on illuvium, all the games, they will provide you with blueprints/skins you can sell on the market place… idk if the game does well people who own lands should do well

[dusty agate]

I bought land to play game free, got no financial interest. Maybe later when it is released i ll do some more investments.

Lot of people spend lot of money in non crypto games they like to play.

[winter python]

I’m sure we are all here for different reasons or own land for different reasons, I do want to play the game but more than that I hope the income from the lands will eventually be worth the inves

[dusty agate]

Idk how many or wich tier lands you got, but my several T1 think can t bring much money.

[winter python]

Idk you may find some blueprints that make you some money T1s will be great for scanning imo

I have some T1s also

Just for that reason

[dusty agate]

Thats why i m thinking to use fuel for myself and not trade it.

[thin wolf]

Why are you here? not trying to be a dick I am just genuinely curious

[winter python]

Exactly what im doing with my T1

The others I’m just selling fuel

[hearty cradle]

Jag is not a person
Jag is an idea
You cant mute ideas

[dusty agate]

Maybe i ll buy some silv2 they have to worth of ILV inside game so thats also an option for faster progress

[hearty cradle]

i am just saying what you guys are feeling deep down

most people like to live in denial

i dont

[winter python]

I just think it’s to early to tell what’s goanna happen the game isn’t even out yet

[dusty agate]

Theres a beta version

[winter python]

I haven’t yet but have been circling my mind to buy some

[shrewd nova]

Cuz I believed in this at some point

[radiant sky]

To buy disks and sell them unopened at gamelaunch?

[winter python]

Buying silv2

[hearty cradle]

thats real conviction

[winter python]

I am goanna get a couple disks tho

[dusty agate]

Think those illuviatars will be more tradable due to lower price

[radiant sky]

Yes

[winter python]

Maybe just hold on to them for a year or 2

[hearty cradle]

2025 we gonna see some return

[thin wolf]

Only thing that has changed is the timeline and we will be glad that they took their time instead of releasing too early.

[hearty cradle]

fax

[dusty agate]

I dont understand from were those cheap lands are coming 🤷‍♂️

[hearty cradle]

no point launching half baked in a bear market

[winter python]

Scammers reselling them

And they say it’s nothing they can do

Let me not go this rout

I just wanna play the game lol

[hearty cradle]

wht ru talking about

[dusty agate]

So did they scammed so many people?

[hearty cradle]

who scammed who

[winter python]

Not y’all

[dusty agate]

I wanted to say that floor price goes down and down every day

[shrewd nova]

That's not true. Let me list, I'll take ownership for a missunderstanding but let me list.

[winter python]

I’m saying I got hit a little while ago and the cheapest ones was the scammed ones

[dusty agate]

I dont know why people want to sell cheap

[radiant sky]

Prob. They need liquidity

[dusty agate]

So this NFT market is full of people who can t manage their money well 😂😂

[radiant sky]

I think a Lot of Land was bought by flippers, and now since ilz Alpha not releasing for a while, they are desperate. They thought they could Flip it in 2-3 weeks for double or tripple the mint price.

[dusty agate]

Why buying something lets say for 500$ if u know that u ll need that money back in 2 weeks

[radiant sky]

But yea... Actually markets are full of people who can't handle the money... In traditional share market exactly the same

[dusty agate]

I know Selling land for silv 2 was important generally but think price of lands wont be fixed until people own land bought by it

[shrewd nova]

• The way land got delayed was very upsetting the day the land sale end it got delayed which was very suspect then got delayed even further.
• the leaks are 90% art. Where has been the PVP leaks? PB2 mechanics leaks? Fusion leaks?
• overworld has been delayed indefinitely.
• no timeline

[radiant sky]

They bprrow $ and if they don't get into Profit in 1 month they need to sell it lower and have still some debt left 😂

[dusty agate]

Yeh thats crazy… U can go in casino and try your luck there, thats much better 😂😂

[dusty agate]

Personally i need Iz alpha

[ocean haven]

Looks like whales selling to me, havent looked into tho, but see a few reasons why they would

[real solstice]

Wen

[ocean haven]

i think if this was the case they would have sold when delay was annonced where prices was still high.
Before we had like 4-6 plots at floor price, now there so many, one of the reasons i think it could be big boys selling
also they will gain nothing from holding so many plots for alpha, and who know how faar away we are from game release

[stable sable]

Fine by me, still scouting 🤓

[ocean haven]

go crazy some people always are

[stable sable]

I’m more krill material than whale 🐳 so I also have to cool off from some deals ahah

[ocean haven]

lol

[shrewd nova]

To add onto this, there may not be wagering in illuvium due to some laws..... illuvials just got a hell of a lot less valuable

[shrewd nova]

To do what with it? Seriously asking, the game will definitely be inferior to other city builders and you can't generate revenue

[ocean haven]

Think they can fix this by just doing a ladder/rank with prices or something no?

[shrewd nova]

What do you mean?

[ocean haven]

So you can win ilv/eth for rank or something

for pvp ofc

[empty path]

There is no pvp in iz

[ocean haven]

maybe a weekly reset or something

[shrewd nova]

I don't think I full understand your idea. Can you give me an example?

[empty path]

Then how do you scan for blueprints if you gotta start over every week 😉

[radiant sky]

They were, but they have has no buyers yet. I think there was just arround 4k sells yet?

[ocean haven]

lets say there a top 100 players for pvp - and etc top 10 get a reward ILV/ETH
nr:1 - 30%
nr:2 - 20%
from x amout price pool

[shrewd nova]

Where would that reward come from? Who pays for it?

[fathom ridge]

I’m just excited 😜

[ocean haven]

iknow the team have tokens locked for prices in-game. other wise lets say everyone who wanna join pay 10$ for a season or something

[ocean haven]

You could be right it might just be huge lack of buyers

[shrewd nova]

Hey man, I hope you didn't get offended. I'm just joking...and mad about the project

[fathom ridge]

Hahaha dude definitely not insulted! Really hoping we have a solid 6 months coming up! 😁

[shrewd nova]

The won't work unfortunately for the economics of the game...I'm seriously curious to see how they will make illuvials valuable because that's the only real asset in the game

[shrewd nova]

Well that's good. Eh I'm not very hopeful there's a lot of major concerns, maybe you can a video addressing some of them

[empty path]

He probably already did 😅

[ocean haven]

i do agree i think its a problem, but lets hope the team find a way

[fathom ridge]

Oh? Like what?!

[shrewd nova]

Give me a min gotta do something then I'll summarize some of my concerns.

[fathom ridge]

No promises on a video but I’m keen to hear you out

[thin wolf]

Wagering does not need to be on Illuviums end.

[wind briar]

anymore shocking faces with the video?

[queen folio]

Gotta do it for the algo

[fathom ridge]

Come one now, you know that’s on every video hahah 😜

I wish I could post a random photo here

[wind briar]

I somehow just noticed the latest one lol

[fathom ridge]

Legit looked at my first thumbnails compared to my newest ones

Fuck me i improved a lot in 6 months

[empty path]

That wasn't hard

[trim pendant]

Uhhm how’s it going down ???

[hearty cradle]

u have

[shrewd nova]

Sure no worries. Just ideas.

1- how will illuvials be valuable? In the town hall Kieran said wagering may not be allowed to some laws....so why would people pay money for them? The way I see the economics of the game is that you have collectors who will profit by capturing and selling illuvials and PVPers who will make money off of tournaments and mainly PVP....if you take wagering away that's a huge loss in value in illuvials... tournaments happen what a few times a year with a few winners not enough to sustain interest and keep having people pay for gas to play. People will have to pay for gas so how would they make that money back? I don't buy the whole people pay for Pokemon cards....we did that because there's the whole show behind it and young me wanted to be a pokemon trainer so that's the closest we could get...there's no real lore here.

[shrewd nova]

You have... getting to be more balanced

[shrewd nova]

Why haven't we seen some real leaks of PvP, PB2, fusion, quests, capturing etc...

[empty path]

I have 🤓

[north lily]

You're approaching this all wrong my dude, you're thinking like an investor, not a gamer. You're just assuming that the sole purpose of this game is making money and having value, when really those aren't the focus. The focus is the ACTUAL GAME, it needs to be fun and nothing else, everything else is a bonus. Now I don't know about you but the game looks fun, I've seen gameplay and PB1 is real and working so you can't say I need to see it to beilve it. Overworld looks fun too, the inner explorer in me wants to see every inch of every map and hord all the resources because why not. And the illuvitars are the stars here, who cares of they're OP or usable for PVP? I just want them alllll!

[hearty cradle]

Factx

i got into ilv for the wager

[undone phoenix]

Me too

[shrewd nova]

I played the beta its fun but it doesn't matter the game will die if there's no return on investment....do you really expect players to just pay for fuel everytime they want to play and not expect to make a profit? If that's the case There's a million other fun web2 games that won't make you pay so much. Web3 needs a fun game and a return on investment not one or the other.

[radiant sky]

Not everyone can earn money in a serious Web 3 game... Where is all this money from? There will always bei gamers who pay for Fun, and they pay the ones who earn.

[vivid cipher]

Pyramids are pyramids regardless of what they are composed of.

[shrewd nova]

Selling Illuvials and PVP some people will loose but the majority have to make money to keep the game moving....what's the difference between web3 and web2 besides paying more for web3? Just the asset belongs to you on the Blockchain?

[vivid cipher]

Conservation of “matter” there cannot be more coming out than is going in.

[shrewd nova]

So this is just a game where I have to pay everytime I want to play....am I getting that right?

[vivid cipher]

No. Pay every time you want to get new (paid tier) illuvials.

[shrewd nova]

Which is the game? Correct? you play to catch illuvials and to do that I have to pay to go through each loop?

[radiant sky]

It's not logical a mojority can earn. The Differenzen between Web2 and web3 gaming is that you actually own your assets, and if you don't Like the game anymore you can sell them and Start another game. And of course everyone one has the possibility to earn, so a Lot will try to earn... Some do it, some don't. Just my Personal opinion

[vivid cipher]

It’s one aspect of the game. Maybe a significant one. But not the only one.

[shrewd nova]

What are the other aspects?

[vivid cipher]

Ranked pvp modes. Survival mode. Free to play tiers.

[shrewd nova]

I mean for these purposes it doesn't really matter, right if it's under your name on the Blockchain or some centralized database....this is just more expensive gaming.

[shrewd nova]

Besides free to play you need illuvials for those

[north lily]

You can use free to play illuvials to play the other modes

[vivid cipher]

Which could be bought with ETH on the IlluviDex.

[radiant sky]

Not sure it is more expensive than an average gamer would spend anyways in a month. Do you have some numbers what a loop costs?

[shrewd nova]

Kieran threw $30 a loop lol

I don't spend that much on a full game

[radiant sky]

Well that's truely a Lot... I heard arround 5$ Max on a very early Stage of developement

[elder badge]

Full game is not even out, we don’t know all there is to know so why make such assumptions now?

[north lily]

I know gacha gamers pending hundreds a month on 2d wifus

[shrewd nova]

So its like $10/ fuel type so 30 that's what Kieran said

[vivid cipher]

If it’s cheaper to buy an illuvial off the IlluviDex than to pay to catch it myself then that’s what I’d do.

[shrewd nova]

That's not the mainstream average gammer

[vivid cipher]

But it is where the money in gaming comes from.

[radiant sky]

No... 5$ a loop

[north lily]

Mainstream average gamers spend hundreds on skins 😂

[shrewd nova]

Some games but they have thousands of players and few spend some money on cosmetics....not the other way around

[shrewd nova]

How much have you spent? I spent 0

[elder badge]

Mainstream gamers spend money on games from steam that they play a few times then buy a new game

[north lily]

You're not a gamer, it's very clear

And that's OK

[shrewd nova]

Hahaha don't get mad ya mostafa

[vivid cipher]

I’m not sure when last he said that. It’s very possible the expected loop cost has been updated to match more widely accepted micro transactions

[radiant sky]

So do i, but i am pretty lonely with this opinion from gamerfriends i know... You would be surprised what normal people spend in Games 🙃

[north lily]

Why would I get mad?

[elder badge]

He isn’t mad, just stating facts

[vivid cipher]

This is an unhealthy assumption

[radiant sky]

To cost per loop could be really a gamebreaker. If it is 30$ a loop ilv probably never gets mainstream

[shrewd nova]

I have a large gammer group, played mmos, shooters and everything...very few people pay regardless...if this is the economy illuvium seeks to create good luck truly

[shrewd nova]

It's how they will pay everyone

[empty path]

Not upset about the skin anymore?

[elder badge]

So nobody is mentioning the free to play? 😂

[empty path]

Can't FUD that

[elder badge]

You only spend money if you want to “own” it

[north lily]

Preach King

[vivid cipher]

What’s crazy is we will even own the free to play stuff.

[hollow shoal]

It was said that it could be $2-$5 per loop. However many of us land owners essential play for free as we can make these resources for ourselves.

[elder badge]

Exactly

[shrewd nova]

This keeps getting worse....

[empty path]

And the free Illuvials are cute as F

[empty path]

You still here?

[radiant sky]

That really surpises me, but i believe that. Regarding the money web2 gamers Make with ingame assets etc. Your friends doesn't represent an average gamer i think?

[shrewd nova]

I'm gonna sell my tokens the second I unlock and probably start selling my land too good luck to yall

[elder badge]

Bye don’t let the door hit ya on the way out

[shrewd nova]

Are you mad cuz your bosses called you to try to stop negative talk? You can be very bitter

[empty path]

Nobody asked me anything ser. They complimented me on my good work.

[shrewd nova]

I'm sure you tell yourself that every night.

[empty path]

If I was bitter I would sell my tokens the second I unlock and probably start selling my land

[north lily]

Dude are you OK? Like who hurt you

[elder badge]

If your going to be negative, at least come with something of substance, not your hypothetical thoughts

[shrewd nova]

You are very fragile aren't you? Can't handle real criticism about the game no?

[radiant sky]

That's sad. 😔 But ibwish you all the best.
And with all kidness, think about where the money cames from if the majority can earn money in the game. I would never ever invest in a game which make this promise. It's Like the Definition of a red flag in Web3 gaming.

[shrewd nova]

I did several times but fan bois be fan bois

[shrewd nova]

It's not a promise the need to create an environment where illuvials are valuable and people will pay for them...that's how card games and collectable games work...they don't seem to care about this.

[empty path]

Please don't hurt me

[elder badge]

You have no solid argument just repeating the same things that people have addressed to you, yet you don’t want to engage and instead repeat your 1 liner.

[radiant sky]

I think that's all they care about actually 😅
But maybe i got that wrong

[north lily]

I think you don't care to listen

[shrewd nova]

Who told me these? What did I not respond exactly?

[empty path]

Can't you see everybody in this channel is wrong and he is right?

[elder badge]

I am sure you know more about making games than the people who have done it before…so go on. (S)

[shrewd nova]

So I asked what did I not answer and you come back to me with a sly? Signs of a healthy community right here...enjoy the echo chamber

[north lily]

All hail the king Tajir, let's have you take grants job

[elder badge]

Check the messages I don’t need to repeat myself

If you are overwhelmed with your investment then you are over invested, it’s ok to sell nobody is stopping you from creating “your” financial freedom

[dusty agate]

I will learn what to do, plus i may get the blueprint. In addition i like to play mobile games thats my hobby

[stiff talon]

Games like League of Legends, TeamFight Tactics and Fortnite to name a few wouldn't survive without those purchases. There's a market for it otherwise these games would have been out of business years ago.

BPs etc are a flex for the time spent on the game and gamers don't mind spending on a game that's free to play because they didn't pay anything in the first place. The difference is now you actually own those assets.

[dusty agate]

Have never played any of these games. I play MCOC (Kabam) think theres no more then 100k active players but think that game studio makes lot of money.

[stiff talon]

You should give TFT (TeamFight Tactics) - you can play on mobile and it's the leader of Autochess until Illuvium gets released that is. So you can taste the genre. I was just reiterating your point to previous comments that there's a market for this. League of Legends has millions of players and so does TFT. They are a pure free to play model and Riot games is a massive worldwide company. They would not be able to still be functioning if they weren't making money off of cosmetics such as skins or in TFTs case arena skins and little legends. This is where the hope Illuvium will be one day and to dig into that marketshare of playerbase.

[elder badge]

DOTA & DOTA2 is a free to play game that has and still is on going with people buying skins all the time and battle passes if Illuvium does their thing no doubt it will be successful

Which of course is my favorite game until Illuvium launch

[dusty agate]

I play MLBB its similar to LOL tho. Yeh they are free but i agree lot of people spend money for those skins and other stuff .

[stiff talon]

Exactly so I understand people's frustration. I'm a massive gamer but to read that people hardly spend on these assets that you can't even keep is total BS. Imagine the possibilities where you not only keep those assets but they are transferrable to different games in the Illuvium universe. This is a long term investment.

[ripe ore]

Guys, can you buy land on the Illuvidex with sILV2??

[dusty agate]

Theres a chess game too included in MLBB and i was doing it well 😂

[dusty agate]

Not until next landsale

[elder badge]

Hit it right on the head, ownership is the Web3 way

[minor sage]

illuvidex don't support sILV2 to buy/sell between players.
you can only use sILV2 when "Illuvium team" sell the lands. so you will need to wait till next land sale.
otherwise you can buy a land using ETH/USDC in illuvidex

[elder badge]

The Illuvial sale will use Silv2 as well fyi

[minor sage]

there will no be illuvial sale

[elder badge]

?

[minor sage]

when the overworld start thats when you can "catch" and try to sell them but illuvium team will not sell illuvials a pre-sale or something

[elder badge]

No D1sks?

[queen folio]

You possibly meant "Illuvitars" which will be the D1sks and PFPs

[minor sage]

Illuvitars yeah i guess i read Illuvials

[elder badge]

My bad illuvitars 😂

[minor sage]

Don't worry fam

[elder badge]

Sorry I forgot the term

[minor sage]

Did you got any land @elder badge ? or you plan to get one?

[ripe ore]

Thanks everyone. I decided to participate in the sale last minute, cashed in some sILV then missed on any land by missreading the demand. I guess I'll be going in hard on the Illuvitars.

[elder badge]

Have 2 T-2s, one Abyssal Basin & Crimson Waste

[minor sage]

Beautiful regions nice pick

[elder badge]

It balances out what I could find Bp wise

[dusty agate]

Yeh you can use them there.

[minor sage]

What about elements and fuel sites? did u got lucky?

[elder badge]

Basin has all 3 fuels crimson has 2:1 Solon and Hyperion

[minor sage]

Sounds good

[elder badge]

But crimson has all elements needed to build, so I took a 50/50 approach

[ocean haven]

holy i can't breath in here chill out with the copium guys lol

or share

[elder badge]

I’ve been with other projects that were rugged or the devs switched projects midway, Illuvium is awesome in how open they are with the community with developments. Even with the delays at least we get to speak with people within the team and not outsourced 3rd party mods.

[ocean haven]

i agree on that, just saw someone say dota2 and illuvium lol

[minor sage]

this is why i fall in love with the project

[ocean haven]

btw rivian is the new tesla NFA

[glad junco]

Was there a Dev blog for July or no?

[queen folio]

Nah, there was not since Aaron fell ill-- so we wait for the next one 🙂

[marsh idol]

Aaron needs to take whatever Vitalik has been taking.. He's as healthy as a horse 😆

[neat tangle]

just bought my first land!! hopefully we get to start using them next month!!

[minor sage]

Congratz SuperDope!!

[teal mural]

Welcome new land owner!

What type of land did you get and where?

[neat tangle]

thanks guys! @minor sage @teal mural I've been following illuvium for ages and got tired of watching from the sidelines 😛 im just a pleb so all I could afford was a Tier 1 so I picked up Crimson Wasteland because fire types are ❤️ and seem pretty popular here too!

[radiant sky]

Fire is everywhere and always popular, nice choice

[teal mural]

A T1 is great and goin to most likely be worth a nice amount later so your winnings! I still need to add Crimson Wast! FIRE is POWER 🔥

[radiant sky]

You could also go shardbluff for fire

[minor sage]

Lets go!
The beggining of your empire

[teal mural]

I forgot about that and I grabbed a T2 shardbluff a few days ago. Still trying to grab one in each area but we will see

[neat tangle]

Thanks for that! I wasnt worried about people knowing my wallet but maybe I should be 😅 ill edit

[hollow shoal]

Congratulations! What did you get?

[hollow shoal]

Nvm I saw haha

[trim pendant]

Someone from usa here should really help me take this card off my hands pretty please I need liquidity 🤲🤲🥺🥺

[harsh acorn]

Why only from the USA? Sell for a fair price and there will be a taker no matter the location of the purchaser

[odd pumice]

Do we know what will be the rarerst Element? I think Kieren mentioned once something about Crypton, but I don't remember what exactly he meant.

[little moon]

They have said the goal is for them to all be about the same.

[vivid cipher]

The different elemental production sites have very similar totals across the 20k lands.

[odd pumice]

Makes sense, but I was sure he mentioned something about Crypton that you can't get that one by converting or something.

[odd pumice]

Are all the conversation rates from Element to Element the same?

Also, can you convert Elements to fuel and the other way around?

[hearty cradle]

khaleed faded me

[spring jetty]

rip

[hearty cradle]

should i ping johnny?

is it too tacky

[spring jetty]

follow your heart

some Chinese dude thinks the team is bailing lol and they are exiting

everything he says amuses me

he also accuses that not many people are working on the coding side cos all they leaked in the past few month are art stuff lol

[hearty cradle]

i collected some questions about the BP and research progress for Khaleed/Johnny:

1. (lookscommon) Can we mint the BP during alpha? prob to trade them?
2. Does the BP in alpha include Tier 1 - Tier 5?
3. Do we need to burn BP to upgrade the research tree?
4. If the answer to no. 2 and 3, is no, does it mean we can hoard/trade T1-T5 BP from alpha, and then use those BPs to upgrade the research tree in open beta?
5. Does each plot in the same wallet share the same research tree? Or each plot has its own research tree?
6. What would happen to the research tree if the plot is sold?
7. Can we bind the research tree to Illuvium account?
8. (Garf) Is the chance of getting the exact same BP on one plot stays the same? or will the chance drop? (bonding curve)

@amber atlas @thorn wren
im sorry to ping you guys
Thank you!

[hearty cradle]

damn that explains the fp

people been dumping land

[spring jetty]

oh he thinks the core contributors like Kieran are exiting

some serious fudding happening in non English channels

and he also claimed that ILV is not good enough to be a AAA game

[hearty cradle]

the graphic or the gameplay?

maybe not AAA in web2 sense

but its okay for a web3 game

[spring jetty]

he said something about the graphics being not good, his words "3D doesnt make the game AAA"

I guess he thinks the beta is the final product since the team hasnt updated it for months

[hearty cradle]

he's not wrong

[spring jetty]

also he thinks the team are noobs at using Unreal Engine, maybe he is a Unreal wizard who knows

[hearty cradle]

lol

which team

[spring jetty]

Im guessing Aaron's team

he complained about memory overflow or something

[hearty cradle]

wow

he prob is

[thin wolf]

We need to get Mob into that Chinese channel.

[hearty cradle]

or solar

[spring jetty]

sadly most of them cant read Chinese lol

[hearty cradle]

but comments like this is important

web3 is about direct feedback from user

[thin wolf]

Solar hates the land😂

[hearty cradle]

sjud been complaining about the game, he went too far tho

but what hes been complaining is legit i think

[autumn island]

I am looking into it now

[hearty cradle]

ur not banning the guy right scott

[queen folio]

Thanks, Scott!

[spring jetty]

i dont think they ban people for fudding

[hearty cradle]

im jk

kek

people can fud, but just have to be careful

[autumn island]

They have options, sometimes if it's miss leading I will sure to stop them

[spring jetty]

I know this cos you have been warned by Fraggy so many times yet you are still here lol

[hearty cradle]

one wrong word and you're out

[spring jetty]

i mean a lot of the accusations from that guy are based on his own assumptions lol

[hearty cradle]

lol yea thats true

sometimes people can see things

i mean we are gamers and investors

[spring jetty]

when I see things like they only leak art stuff, im like what do you wanna see the source code?

[hearty cradle]

lol

maybe not a bad idea

it's a DAO

anything paid by the Treasury is technically belongs to the DAO, token holder

we can vote to ask for it tbh

[spring jetty]

i dont think source code should be seen by public

[hearty cradle]

yea

i prob want to see the bp scanning chance % tho

that can be made public

[spring jetty]

lol

[hearty cradle]

not the one aaron shared

but for each illuvials, tiers and piece of armor

games like WoW have drop % published

[spring jetty]

you should propose it

[hearty cradle]

people need to play the alpha first, rn they dnt feel the need to

[spring jetty]

true

[hearty cradle]

once they get frustated they will ask for it lol

like when we keep getting atlas bp for the 100 times

[spring jetty]

i think fraggy will vote against it in that case

[hearty cradle]

ohh u think fraggy gonna get council

[spring jetty]

never

[hearty cradle]

lol yea never

[spring jetty]

she too lazy

[hearty cradle]

u wan to get muted wind

[spring jetty]

in a beautiful way

😂

[queen folio]

👀

[empty path]

True

[spring jetty]

i have been caught red handed

[empty path]

And SJUD did not get banned for fud or comments on the game. Was something totally different

[hearty cradle]

i know

[autumn island]

I hate to see what that guy have said, but I don't think I can ban him. I made some points clear to him and so the others understand the ace team is working hard to make the games as awesome as possibility they can be.

[mystic umbra]

Sjuds gone 🤣

[hearty cradle]

for now

[empty path]

What did I miss?

[spring jetty]

read above

[hearty cradle]

its in mandarin

[queen folio]

FUD in Chinese chat

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[empty path]

I’m lazy according to you, gotta act lile it. Wouldn’t want to have to ban you for spreading false information

[spring jetty]

but i also said in a beautiful way

does that change anything?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/jlew-gif-5708789

[hearty cradle]

u prob jk fraggy, but ur scaring the new people

[spring jetty]

im new here

[hearty cradle]

lets not throw the "b" word easily lol

tokentrove is down?

[cyan dew]

[reef jasper]

[hearty cradle]

guys its september

[reef jasper]

[gusty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/dieter-dieter-open-gif-24633043

[reef jasper]

BP season

[austere whale]

Wow that dude got banned who used to claim to be no.1 player everytime?

[ancient nacelle]

Any reason why most of the listings land on illuvidex have been removed?

[empty path]

Already replied in General and told you in IMX-support to not post in multiple channels.

[reef jasper]

whats the answer though?

[ancient nacelle]

Just trying to see where I would get answered first. Sorry if this annoys....

[ancient nacelle]

apparently the fee for IMX has been updated.

We need to relist our lands if we want to sell

[little moon]

#📣〕announcements message

[ancient nacelle]

Thanks mate.

[mystic crater]

I hold 2.4 eth for 3T land and the chepeast was 2.7 now it all jumped to 3.7 o.0

[hearty cradle]

people has not relisted

[dusty agate]

Who ?

[austere whale]

SJUD

[dusty agate]

😂😂 i knew he gonna be banned one day… mighty hulkling :))

[austere whale]

lmao yeah was kind of a big mouth but I wanna know why he got banned

[dusty agate]

I have my history with him, but think he insulted someone :))

[hearty cradle]

he went too far with cc

[austere whale]

I remember he used to insult another pro player in #🎮〕illuvium-arena

[hearty cradle]

his complaints are legit, but he chose violence

[austere whale]

you mean core contributors?

[hearty cradle]

yea

[austere whale]

what did he exactly say?

Please tell Jaga

[hearty cradle]

dnt worry man

[austere whale]

You can dm me if you want

[hearty cradle]

lol

i wont tell

u gotta ask the mods

[austere whale]

please man, I wanna know

[hearty cradle]

yurself

snitches get stiches

[spring jetty]

I dont even know who is SJUD

[austere whale]

This discord used to be fun

[hearty cradle]

yeah i know

[fickle ore]

It’s a little quiet rn, but not forever.

[dusty agate]

He is the best in finding bugs 😂😂

[austere whale]

Now I feel like people are getting banned/muted for no reasons

I saw you got muted too few days back

[dusty agate]

Dark side of Fraggy 😂😂

[sly summit]

No reasons? Lol

[hearty cradle]

yea its not fun anymore

[sly summit]

They would get banned so fast in other discords

[hearty cradle]

nah man

things changed

been here for awhile

bear things

[sly summit]

Sure, go try troll other discords and see how fast you get banned

[dusty agate]

Landsale was successful 😏

[empty path]

It's not about trolling

[austere whale]

The day you get a ban hammer, I will be out from this server too

[hearty cradle]

u said i was muted for trolling

[mystic gull]

and still here

[dusty agate]

Why Jslut got banned?:))

[hearty cradle]

im just trying to voice some concerns

[empty path]

Breaking the rules

[hearty cradle]

the silent majority likes to stay silent

things that i said or complaints legit for the better of the plebs

not for whales

[austere whale]

Thats what I like about you man, atleast you provide constructive critics

[dusty agate]

Sure

[hearty cradle]

whales dont care about small investors like us

we are their exit liquidity

always been, always will

[mystic gull]

well I'm broke and no liquidity, cannot be their exit

[hearty cradle]

but u still holding right

[dusty agate]

So how much i should invest to become whale?:))

[hearty cradle]

look at the top 10 $ILV hodler

[hearty cradle]

i will always do my friend

im a gamer first, investor second

i will call bs when i see them

[dusty agate]

SJUD is a gamer too, i dont like the way he was talking with me but he is very good 🙂

[hearty cradle]

yea i honestly like SJUD, he just too rough

[mystic gull]

yeah, but he had that coming ages ago

[hearty cradle]

last thing i said to him was dont get banned

the kid just need some love

hes trying so hard to be recognized

too hard

hes trying to prove something

and thats a sad story

[spring jetty]

i just stopped caring about anything

[hearty cradle]

yea because ur matured

[spring jetty]

no alpha, fine. no beta? whatever

[hearty cradle]

some people hasnt realized that people just simply dont care about u

people behave based on his/her personal needs and wants

[spring jetty]

even eating is like a task for me now. as long as im full i dont really care if it doesnt taste that good

[empty path]

Stay healthy Wind!

[hearty cradle]

we'll get there together friend

[spring jetty]

I might need to see a therapist, but im too broke

[hearty cradle]

discord is a free therapy

[empty path]

With unskilled people that will push you even deeper

[spring jetty]

im aware of my problem but i also dont care about it anymore

[hearty cradle]

thats good man

no point of banging your head to the wall

[empty path]

If you ever need a talk, you can always DM me

[spring jetty]

thanks Fraggy

[hearty cradle]

Focus on the thing u can control

And that is your state of mind and action

[spring jetty]

I just need to escape this prison, C

[hearty cradle]

you cant change other people

[spring jetty]

dont wanna get into trouble lol

[hearty cradle]

Lol

they are watching

[austere whale]

damn that was fear lmao

[spring jetty]

shh, we dont have freedom of speech here

[mystic gull]

no VPN?

[thin wolf]

[spring jetty]

let's not talk about politics in IZ

[mystic gull]

[spring jetty]

IZ is a free place

[hearty cradle]

you can chain me, but my mind is free

[thin wolf]

Hopefully we get some updates from Johnny this week, been over two weeks since last update🤔

Sjud got banned?

[hearty cradle]

i pinged johnny and khaleed

[dusty agate]

What happened, sounds like deep depression:)

[thin wolf]

I pinged Johnny 2 days ago.
Some nice gameplay would be a good start

[austere whale]

I wish you good luck man

[hearty cradle]

anything would be nice really

Even if its delayed

ill be good

just need to know

[austere whale]

I'm not hopeful we are getting ILZ in September

[dusty agate]

Talking with people u dont know helps much.

[hearty cradle]

yea thats the idea of therapy

its weightless

no judgement

no consequences

no shame

this is what web3 is all about

[thin wolf]

I went to a therapist 14 years ago and they helped change my path in life for the better.

[hearty cradle]

happy for u man

going to therapy prob the best advice u can give to anyone

[thin wolf]

100% ,to much shit in the world to handle it alone

[dusty agate]

I see more people go to therapist in wealthier countries, were its supposed to have less problems.

[hearty cradle]

it is sad that we have to pay someone $200 dollar just to listen

and thats the world we are living

[thin wolf]

Luckily in Norway it is paid by the government.

[hearty cradle]

wow

ur blessed

[dusty agate]

The biggest problem i can see is the loneliness, lot of people just have noone to talk with

[austere whale]

EU is blessed, free healthcare.

[hearty cradle]

i gotta check if therapy is covered by medicare

i know colonoscopy is

infact, stool sample checking is mandated

[empty path]

Well that's my queue to remind you to stay on topic.

[dusty agate]

So people need IZ to avoid therapists

[mystic gull]

IZ needs to have healthcare

[hearty cradle]

we should get our own dao

people who only have the token shouldnt tell us what to do lol

[dusty agate]

They should have something else ?:))

[hearty cradle]

their own rugby team maybe

[dusty agate]

At least T- Shirt :))) I m gonna follow one with T shirt signed buy rugby player 😂😂

[timber sapphire]

"free"

[hearty cradle]

free for freeloader

[lyric hamlet]

Alright mfs!

September is here

Wake up

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-why-are-you-sleeping-wake-up-gif-16960498

[lyric hamlet]

Lol

[mystic gull]

September all month long

[lyric hamlet]

All I heard is wake me up when septiember is here

I really hope by next year

I see Illuvium advertised on the super bowl

World series

And nba finals

Then have an arena named after illuvium

Just like crypto.com

[hearty cradle]

maybe we can start from Allianz Stadium in sydney

[lyric hamlet]

Is illuvium HQ in Australia?

[empty path]

Yes

[lyric hamlet]

Why?

Lol

[empty path]

Probably because all the founders are in Australia?

[lyric hamlet]

Just bugging

I thought y'all were in the states

[empty path]

The Illuvium team has people all over the world

[lyric hamlet]

How that works with getting paid?

Through crypto?

[hearty cradle]

stables

[rotund reef]

It's paid by your taxes. Then your government tells you it's "free" so you'll like them better, and happily pay your taxes.

[hearty cradle]

in 3rd world country that money goes straight to the officials pocket

[slim harbor]

I'd happily pay Norway taxes for Norway level of public services

[thin wolf]

Ofcourse nothing in this world is free, and we do have high taxes.
But there is a good infrastructure in place for people to get help and easy too use for the most part

[rotund reef]

Agree, I was just in Oslo. Things run remarkably smooth there.

[hearty cradle]

maybe some people like to pay for US healtcare

its highway robbery

[lyric hamlet]

I rather have low taxes

[rotund reef]

I moved to Mexico (from the US). I rarely need it, but when I do I just pay cash, skip the line, and save about 80% for the same care. Actually better care IMO. The doctors will spend a lot more time with you.

[lyric hamlet]

Most of what the government claims the money goes to, is a lie.

Hard fact to swallow

[rotund reef]

"Roads and schools!!" Erm....have you seem the roads and schools lately?

[hearty cradle]

prob cant compare it to UAE

[tardy furnace]

Tier 3 land sold for over 9K usd. Why is that?

[timber sapphire]

Megacity

[rotund reef]

Could be somebody putting together a MegaCity.

This is why I didn't even try to build one. I knew the premiums could get crazy.

[tardy furnace]

Ah that must be it. Totally forgot about that.

[ocean haven]

check announcements lol

[abstract knot]

why have I not read that

my fault haha

[ocean haven]

😄

[abstract knot]

Hopefully we can play the alpha this month

[ocean haven]

i sold all my land 6 weeks or so ago, looking for a reason to buy back in

might buy a tier 1 just to try it

[abstract knot]

I am still sitting on my 2 tier 2 hoping to play soon

[abstract knot]

get a tier one for 900 usdc haha

[ocean haven]

just w8 untiil people relist

and very liikely a year before they will make any fuel, im not worryed at all

maybe longer

[abstract knot]

maybe we will see a spike in price when the alpha launches

[ocean haven]

probly, i think it will be short liived

[abstract knot]

yeah thats what I think

[ocean haven]

and then we have to wait a year for game release, and from land sale to iz release dindt go to well, and only 1/4 of the time

[abstract knot]

maybe I will sell one of my lands at alpha launch to invest it in ilv

[ocean haven]

ill probly end up buying ILV too

[abstract knot]

this month will be interesting in general since we will see the ethereum merge and I am curious on how that will effect eth/ilv price

there are people saying eth will fall down and others saying it will reach ath haha

[ocean haven]

there always is heh, personally idc to much, i like to play cycles

but in general whatever happens to the market it will probly follow

[little moon]

This is my plan. I have 2 T1 going to sell one with the spike play on the other and hope the spike brings in enough profits to justify investing more and getting a t2 to go with the second t1 (in the long run)

[abstract knot]

thats also a good idea

[ocean haven]

I was talking to a guy yesterday where all the selling is coming from, could be whales or huge lack of buyers, anyone know if any plots get sold, or if we can see volume some where

[hearty cradle]

all got delisted because of fee change

[radiant sky]

Immutascan

[ocean haven]

Volume looks pretty good, only beat by Gods and they have a game released. also checked tier 1's, looks like about bottom 20 lands is mainly 4-5 different addresse's, to me it looks like whales slowly selling off

Do we know why 95% of fuel sales gos to token holders, seems odd to me land owners (who own land to make fuel) only get 5% cut

i understand theres only 20k plots atm but still seem way off

[hearty cradle]

yea people are unloading

[analog inlet]

Because Staking is the official investment in the tokenomics - #🎮〕illuvium-zero is just a mobile mini game and not part of the official tokenomics which is why it does not qualify for revdis and only get 5% from one source paid directly in ETH. ( fuels token sales revenue) and is not passive. ( you have to produce/ swap to the balancer to earn)

[ocean haven]

Why would a whale or anyone for that matter buy land most expensive mobile game in the world? lol

could be a good flex

[empty path]

Ask those that already did 😉

[slim harbor]

For the novelty and potential payout along with it being fun 🤷

[hearty cradle]

because land is the exit liquidity

[ocean haven]

but 95% of fuel profit gos to token holders, so bacisly u just pay to "have fun" most expensive mobile game in the world, and why not just play the main game then

[hearty cradle]

95% divided by 9m token

while land is 5% divided by 20k plots

plus u get blueprints

and they can add more utility to land

u can sell land, while token staking u need to vest for 12months or sell sILV2 at high discount

land is the smart play

[lusty breach]

Hey team, a question. What happens if you sell your land after the game is already out and you built some buildings. Does the new owner get the land together with the buildings or does he get an empty land?

[hearty cradle]

the building stays

[ocean haven]

I think buildnings will stay, but not sure if its 100% confirmed

[lusty breach]

If he gets the buildings as well, how do you plan to visualise the buildings for potential buyers so that they can see what they are buying in Illuvidex?

[ocean haven]

Uhh thats a good one

maybe he have to vist it in-game to see the land

[lusty breach]

Actually the price of the land will differ between lands quite a lot.

Fully built out land vs a fresh one.

[lusty breach]

That would be a terrible buying experience ;p

[ocean haven]

2022 bruh its the metaverse heh

[slim harbor]

I am hoping for a fleshed out land bid system and with it more in depth land details

For the purchaser to see

[radiant sky]

Even if you divide by 9.7mio token. With floorprices 3 days ago, and you just want to sell fuel as much as you can, you would have rather bought ilv than buying a t4 or a t1.
Imo the 5%cut is to less

[hearty cradle]

its not

[radiant sky]

It is

[hearty cradle]

well its up to 5%

it can go lower

[radiant sky]

Y i know...it would Land Make even less value

[hearty cradle]

it doesnt

[radiant sky]

It does

[hearty cradle]

my ILV bag is down by 87%

i bought at $600

[radiant sky]

I didn't calculated in the red bags of holders, just if you are a new investor

[hearty cradle]

something for sure, that 5% wont increase

u gotta rely on bp

[radiant sky]

Yes i know, because council holders are also token holders 🙃

[hearty cradle]

yea lol

token holder get passive income, while land holder get active income

[radiant sky]

And rely on bp... Oh well, i rather play Roulette then Euromillions

[hearty cradle]

so u prefer revdis?

good luck with that

[hearty cradle]

investing in land is like investing in property

[radiant sky]

Don't get me wrong, i own some Land... But the more i play arround with some numbers the more i think i'm gona sell it and buy ilv instead

[hearty cradle]

higher risk return

u can opt to invest in dividend stocks

or t bills

[radiant sky]

Mmh don't Like dividend Stocks

[hearty cradle]

my land is holding way better than my ilv

[radiant sky]

Duno what t Bills are

[hearty cradle]

us treasury bonds

[ocean haven]

i hear this a lot from people i talk too

i love the idea of land tho

[hearty cradle]

i dnt want to settle with tx fee when i can sell skins

[radiant sky]

Oh, for sure... But a reasonbfor that could be the sell pressure because token unlocks. If a big part of it is unlocked he will stabilize and maybe go up

[hearty cradle]

ilv goes up, land goes up

[hearty cradle]

ilv gonna get so dilluted

we can opt not to sell more land

im just following the whales

they are exiting to land

[radiant sky]

Yea, maybe they know about more utility we don't?

[hearty cradle]

otherwise they would have claimed ILV

whats happening to the token rn happens all the time

usual staked token got dilluted

it has served its purpose

[analog inlet]

IMO NFA DYOR

Its much simpler to compare the token will always be more valueable in a reveneu generating sense than land

ILZ- 5% of total Fuel Token related sales only - not passive as in you have to play the game and produce fuel to get your share and dependent on how much fuel each individual landowner can produce
Land owner "A" produces 1 fuel token per day and swaps it to the balancer for ETH
Land Owner "B" produces 5 fuel tokens per day to swap to the balancer
In this example Land owner B will make more than land owner A on a daily basis

( this does not take into account one time sales ( selling your land ,selling blue prints etc which are also not passive and depended on market value at the time)

ILV staking ( Revdis example not selling the token)

• 100% Of ALL Revenue form ALL sources ( -5% of the fuels sales designated for landowners) (Stakers still get 95% of all fuel rated sales)
• Passive income
• Compounding interest staking rewards grows you initial principle
• Your profit is not dependent of touching your principle product ( IZ selling the land itself)
• Both revenue generated and token price can increase the value of your Rewards.

So the question is do you one % 5 form one income stream you have to work for.
Or 100% (- 5% percent of one revenue stream) of every $1 the DAO recives from EVERY source

It no question that even with BP staking wins and the smart play. "but omg x sold"" that means ist "smart to sell" omg world stuff omg everything elser " is not relevant when revdis starts

[hearty cradle]

im glad i blocked solar

[radiant sky]

Dude we habe seen this already 100x

[hearty cradle]

meanwhile polemos got like hundreds of plot lmao

[analog inlet]

IMO NFA DYOR

For IZ the primary revenue is based on swapping fuel to the balancer - if you sell that land yes you make a lump sum hopefully a profit on your purchase price ( unless you intended to sell at los ) but then your primary is gone and staking will be more valuable as it will over take your "profit" in x amount of time though passive means

Blueprints are also an unreliable, random, burstable form revenue you

1. You need to find one that is in demand
2. pay listing fees
   3 you need to find a buyer and the buyer determines the value you That will not happen instantly
   4 you need to repeat the process

Meanwhile while the the landowner is progressing though steps 1 -4 which takes a random and variable amount of time the staker is passively generating revenue as well as having thier principle investment increased though compound interest which also increases the amount of REVDIS they receive

Put a different way the staker earns "24/ 7 " without having the "pauses" someone trying to farm blueprints has therefore has a higher income more stable income potential that retains the integrity and grows their principle investment

[radiant sky]

But a normal staked token, doesn't get revdis?

[hearty cradle]

all staked tokens get revdis

[analog inlet]

All staked and vesting ILV tokens get REVDIS locked or unlocked

[radiant sky]

Mmh then i just found Bad ones 😂

[hearty cradle]

hm?

[radiant sky]

Or is the APR/APY called revdis too?

Idk heard revdis first time in here

[ocean haven]

I've havent heared any other projects doiing revdis

[radiant sky]

The word

[empty path]

707

[analog inlet]

Thats YEILD its seprate. RevDIS is 100% ANY / ALL revenue the DAO gets form any source. Stakes get both YEILD and REVDIS until July 2024 and then they Get REVDIS for as along as the DAO exists

[radiant sky]

So saying every staked token gives revdis is just wrong

[analog inlet]

no your stament is wrong

[empty path]

But they do?

[radiant sky]

Mmh gona Tell that to another Project i looked at. Just get yield there

[analog inlet]

!revdis

[dry forge]

The DAO distributes 100% of vault revenue to token holders.

Revenue distributions are claimed through the official Staking App as unlocked ILV. The vault converts ETH spent in-game into ILV by the main Sushi pool, which increases the token price.

[radiant sky]

Yes, thats in illuvium...

[queen folio]

They're just talking about staked tokens within Illuvium's ecosystem.

Other projects may or may not have RevDis... most don't.

[mystic gull]

are you talking about other games here?

[radiant sky]

Oh... I just got i wrong all the time. Sorry for that 😅

[empty path]

Don't tell me Jaganite didn't explain it good

[radiant sky]

Was based on jagas statement happens to staked tokens all the time

[lusty breach]

This analysis doesn't take into account the $ price to acquire a certain % of revdis. 1$ in tokens might be getting 95% of revenue but the you might be getting much less revenue per 1$ vs investing this 1$ into land. My calculation (during land sale) showed that it is much more profitable to buy land than ILV tokens at the prices that the lands were selling at.

[hearty cradle]

Hmmm?

[ocean haven]

Mine showed opposite interesting, it will get better over time but even at 10mil token vs 100k lands tokens was faar better, maybe token fell way more then land since u did it

[hearty cradle]

ok u do that

[radiant sky]

It is anyways Hard to know now because we don't know anything until it's online. But in future revdis could be huge because of merch and other Stuff. Whereas fuel stays fuel. And with floorprices 3 days ago you produced more fuel for the $ with ilv than t4/t1

[lusty breach]

That analysis was made during the land sale, it is possible that things are looking different now.

I only wanted to point out that looking at 5%/95% ratio of fuel revdis doesn't show the whole picture.

[trim pendant]

Of course I’m selling for a fair price Would you buy it tho 👀👀😑??

[hearty cradle]

merch and other stuff seems like a stretch

[radiant sky]

What do you mean by a strech? Gona be a Long Way until merch pays out?

[rotund reef]

Merch would only make sense after the game gets some real steam behind it.

[hearty cradle]

movie cost $100m to make

Arcane took over 6 years

[radiant sky]

That is indeed true

[rotund reef]

Yeah, we're really really far away from any of that. Not even worth talking about.

[empty path]

Looking at what the team is saying, merch might be there faster than you would expect

[rotund reef]

Small amounts to a small audience can work. Just not what I was thinking of.

[fierce hatch]

Damn so youre saying season 2 is half a decade away?

[hearty cradle]

they already have the assets

so prob 2 years

[slim harbor]

And they might have been clever and released it a year after it was ready or something and already been working on S2 for ages

[dire pier]

arcane is so good

might be time to watch it again

[spring jetty]

arcane 2 should be next year

[dry mango]

faith

[spring jetty]

cant wait to see Daddy Zander comes back as Warwick

[tall bear]

Hi fam

Catching up after a while away, is IZ still schedule this month (the alpha)

[dry mango]

it hasn't been said officially but there's a chance if it's polished enough

[empty path]

Still nothing official but afaik that's still the goal

[tall bear]

Nice liz fraggy 😏

[empty path]

Thank you, I got it from Karen 🎁

[tall bear]

Alright thanks, and do we have any news regarding the ability to « bid » a land on IMX ? To let an owner know we want his land

[tall bear]

Haha yeah saw that on twitter

[empty path]

Waiting on IMX

[tall bear]

So still no timeline regarding this right ?

[empty path]

Not that I'm aware off

[tall bear]

I thought I read that it had been said if imx takes too long it would be done on the illuvidex, is this still true ?

[empty path]

Illuvidex runs on IMX

[tall bear]

I still need my 4th plot and the owner won’t list it 😭

[empty path]

@whole spear has council meeting soon, maybe he can give us an update on the T5 sale? We gonna wait for IMX or what

[tall bear]

Alpha won’t happen before t5 sale ?

[empty path]

We don't need T5 for alpha afaik

[whole spear]

Yea T5 is still waiting on a technical hurdle if we wanna do all on L2, thats the previous update we have. Essentially if we want to run t5 sale all on L2 it will take some more time to sort out or if ppl are adamant that we have it sooner we could do it like the land sale

[empty path]

Could be a nice event to launch IZ alpha 😏

[tall bear]

But that would delay even further (if done on l2) 🥲

[rotund reef]

Andrew was saying how he really hopes the releases of everything are fairly spaced out so it doesn't overstress him and what he needs to do. Totally legit concern. So if IZ Alpha isn't next up, be prepared to be a bit more patient.

[stiff talon]

Would make more sense to use the T5 sale as a spectacle towards the launch of the game as a means of marketing. Launching the T5s before Alpha won't accomplish anything without a finished product.

[whole spear]

There isn’t a reason to the t5 sale though especially in this market