🎮〕illuvium-zero

[analog inlet]

.... i will also be claiming silv2 from staking at the time so no fuel for me .... The land owners literally get nothing form me😆

https://tenor.com/view/denied-barney-legendary-stinson-st-legend-challenge-accepted-gif-17940726

[thin wolf]

Eventually you need to give yourself to the fuel,it is inevitable(2024) and i will be waiting with my fuel.

also 😆

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-ugh-wrr-grr-anger-gif-21903272

[slim harbor]

And me, I'll be producing fuel out of spite now

Can now view imx nft's and imx l2 funds in GameStop wallet 👀 more volume sooooon

[queen folio]

Ehh, you've got a point there. Although some sILV2 may still be selling at a premium on a DEX somewhere out there for a short while after yield farming ends

[slender copper]

Was that latest leak from Abyssal Basin? Either way, it's looking pretty pretty good!!

[queen folio]

Yeahhh! I agree! I’m liking the updates they’ve done for Illuvium: Zero a lot (from what we’ve seen so far anyways)

Can’t wait to see what all of the other regions are looking like!

[slender copper]

Every time there is a leak...which is all the time, I get more and more pumped.

Can't wait for the other regions as well, especially Shardbluff! That's where my two little plots are!

[queen folio]

Ooh and darker region too, I bet it’ll look cool with the structures on it, kind of lighting it up some

[little moon]

I think what you’ll find is “basic skins” which will have multiple duplicates… the. “Rare” and “Unique” if not more levels of skins. And as the higher level of skin less people are able to find it making it more valuable. So even if they launched all 10k at one time it wouldn’t matter because a %would be unique and a %would be duplicates shared over many addresses. As for price I think the actual blueprints will be worth high values 5-10k seem reasonable where the skins would be 50-100$ maybe a bit more. I can’t see skins going for multiple thousands unless it’s a unique one of a kind ultra rare kinda thing. Obviously all this is my speculation and we can only wait to find out 🙂

[slim harbor]

I thought you also had to burn 3 blueprints of tier 1 to get the blueprint for tier 2 and then 3 of tier 2 for tier 3? Or have I misremembered and that's only illuvials themselves

[deep brook]

its going up in dollar value, just down in eth

[rotund forum]

and yet ALL upcoming and future games will depend on it

[rotund forum]

I don´t know if this by now is an outdated calculus but at the question of to invest in land or the token the answer was if the userbase is greater than 800.000 then the token starts to be more profitable than the land (fuel sales). I did not check this, but I think it was Scoriox who did the math on this at the time (and we all know he is pretty involved and accurate)

[analog inlet]

Your point being ? Landowners still only produce 5% of total Fuel, its still only 5% of fuel token related sales revenue at most when a new game comes up that is when landowners will get a " increase " as the 5% will be worth " more" as there will be addtional fuel sales form the new game

[rotund forum]

well, I was not really trying to make a point, it was just a fact. And it is also a fact that it is pretty likely that the first 20K plots will be the only ones producing fuel at launch... so even if it is "only" the 5% we all agreed upon on investing, this should produce some nice gains

if the game is succesfull ofcourse

[analog inlet]

Its much simpler to compare the token will always be more valueable in a reveneu generating sense than land

ILZ- 5% of total Fuel Token related sales only - not passive as in you have to play the game and produce fuel to get your share and dependent on how much fuel each individual landowner can produce
Land owner "A" produces 1 fuel token per day and swaps it to the balancer for ETH
Land Owner "B" produces 5 fuel tokens per day to swap to the balancer
In this example Land owner B will make more than land owner A on a daily basis

( this does not take into account one time sales ( selling your land ,selling blue prints etc which are also not passive and depended on market value at the time)

ILV staking ( Revdis example not selling the token)

• 100% Of ALL Revenue form** ALL **sources ( -5% of the fuels sales designated for landowners) (Stakers still get 95% of all fuel rated sales)
• Passive income
• Compounding interest staking rewards grows you initial principle
• Your profit is not dependent of touching your principle product ( IZ selling the land itself)
• Both revenue generated and token price can increase the value of your Rewards.

So the question is do you one % 5 form one income stream you have to work for.
Or 100% (- 5% percent of one revenue stream) of every $1 the DAO recives from EVERY source

[rotund forum]

I won´t argue on this, I prefer to do both, but if you hold land you will get 5% of all the fuelsales YOU sell. If you hold ILV you will get 95% of fuelsales shared between all 22.000 ILV holders. And not Revenue from ALL sources goes to ILV holders. Any commercial E tournament revenue, tickets sales, sponsorships, naming rights will go to the T5 Landholders who organise the tournament. ILV holders will not get anything out of those huge sums

[analog inlet]

WRONG - those source are part of REVDIS Every single $1 the DAO receives other than the 5% goes back to stakers .

[rotund forum]

nope. Ask Andrew, or watch the videos he posted, it is pretty clear

[analog inlet]

@whole spear @noble quest can you clarify please regarding Revdis allocation for sources outside game related sales as stated above #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

https://c.tenor.com/luD92hxIVAIAAAAM/colbert-popcorn-popcorn.gif

[rotund forum]

start from minute 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUeB2mPb3I&t=1771s

[little moon]

The blueprints are tied to the illuvial set so they won’t be available for multiple years. Once the new set comes out the old blueprints will become unavailable. So if you are the only one to have discovered a particular blueprint when the sets change you will have a 1/1 blueprint forever.

[rotund forum]

Please don´t get me wrong, I am quite excited about both ILV token staking as well as the IZ game, and I might very well be mistaken, if so... I gladly and humbly apologise but I do try to follow all news whenever I can and this is what I understood on that particular point. Esports revenue basically to the T5 who organises it.

[oak ruin]

Next land sale, I am getting plot #1 on Taiga Boreal. I want the "King of the North" title

[rotund forum]

I am just doing some quick math here, so please correct me if I am wrong. But imagine every fuelsite sells a 100 $ fuel. There would currently be 20.016 lands, with a total of 47.457 fuelsites, thus creating a pot of 4.745.668 $. If you own a Tier 2 you would receive 5% of your 4 (fuelsites) x 100$ = 400$ = 20 $ (being 5%). If you hold 1 ILV you will receive 95% of 4.745.668$ in this scenario, divided by the 1.920.000 ILV staked (for argument sake staked at 2.0 weight). That would leave you with 2.47$. The price of a T2 is about 1 ETH, being today 1.777$. You would need to stake more than 8 ILV at maximum weight to outperform, being 904$. So yes, with these markets it does seem more sensible to buy the token and stake it than to buy land.

[analog inlet]

I have not watched that but if your only talking about "sports" i haven't looked into how that works i would be surprised if the DAO does not get some sort of "cut" -

we may be talking about 2 different things but "other sources" revering to i am personally referring to are

• other games the studio produces
• other IP the studio produces movies, comic books etc. novels etc.)
• Buyer / seller fees form Secondary land sales , illuvials etc.
• Licensing deals
  -merch / cosmetics
  _ 4 more lands sales
• illuvitar sales
  -etc

_ basically my whole point was putting aside selling the land itself and blue prints the main feature of IZ revenue is based on a a fixed % point of 1 revenue stream in which your revenue is based on the individuals own ability to continuous produce a swappable item with a various value dependent on the value the balancer determines 1 fuel token is worth at any given time.

compared to the passive income of Staking 's multitude of revenue streams and higher parentage that make revenue without touching the actual principle and the principle itself grows though compounding interest and possible increase in the base toke value.

I based on the above I do not see in my personal own opinion how there can be any comparison on to which has more inerrant value or possible profitability.

[rotund forum]

Thank you for your input very much appreciated. Yes, I agree that Revdis is very interesting although secondary land sales, I am not sure if I buy someones land from Illuvidex a part of that would go to revdis, but if so... great. I thank you for trading your knowledge,

I think for me personally I bought into land, because I like these kind of building games. And it will create some kind of semi passive income (I don´t really count gaming as "work" although nowadays it can better than your dayjob). But if you want the best income and all passive, maybe staking ILV seems the best option.

[little moon]

I’m thinking most of the value of land will just be the NFTs going up in price. They likely won’t ever produce more revenue by cost than ILV but because the NFT market is super irrational we could easily see a 3-5 ETH floor at some point in the not too far future.

[rotund forum]

I am not sure. I did not do the math on this so I can´t stick my hand in the oven for it, but, they are talking 3B revenue. If it were only 1B renevue in a year a T4 would get its initial investment back, and if bought with Silv2 ... a lot sooner

[analog inlet]

Honestly I am not a math's person so I am not going to comment on your numbers .
But I'm not sure of the concept you are pursuing.
Is your premise based on you passively getting revenue simply based on having land ?
Or on the land that you as a individual landowner are personally producing?
Have you included the dilution of "value" of the %5 as more land sales happen up to full dilution of 100 000 land ?

If you haven't read this already I wrote this to explain how I personally understand Illuvium Zero landowner revenue works and to this date no one has told me i am in error.

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[harsh acorn]

Don't underestimate Skins in AAA games they are a huge revenue generator. Blueprints could be a huge benefit of land ownership.

Also the Dao can vote to increase lands utility/ROI if need be

[analog inlet]

read up there was a discussion on that ealier today
here is where it started #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[rotund forum]

I´m off to bed, it is quite late here. Will read it tomorrow mate, and get back to you. Thanks. have a good night/day all

[little moon]

I think your both right in your discussion, you keep saying however to disregard secondary land sale and blue print sales but those are both part of owning land to. That would be like saying forget about the weight in revdis on your tokens. I get that the basics of both leaves the token ahead of the land but with the potential to sell the land or find a blueprint to generate skins or just flip could make some (not all) land better. So I honestly think it’s dependent on what your end game is, are you willing to play half hour a day to try and get a blue print? Or do you wanna lock in and forget about it? But… in saying that, you could also rent your land to a scholar for passive income on land itself. Lmao I can argue with myself all night here on what’s better!!

[compact nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[little moon]

Blueprints will probably do pretty well but not everyone will be able to get a good blueprint otherwise the dilution will be too high. My guess is maybe 1000 lands make a lot of money from getting good blueprints but its definitely a risk to count on that.

[analog inlet]

In this converstaion The reason for me disregarding selling the land and blueprints I was focusing on the core concepts of what the primary revenue is based on for both.

"weight" is a core concept for staking so cannot be disregarded.

For IZ the primary revenue is based on swapping fuel to the balancer - if you sell that land yes you make a lump sum hopefully a profit on your purchase price ( unless you intended to sell at los ) but then your primary is gone and staking will be more valuable as it will over take your "profit" in x amount of time though passive means

Blueprints are also an unreliable, random, burstable form revenue you

1. You need to find one that is in demand
2. pay listing fees
   3 you need to find a buyer and the buyer determines the value you That will not happen instantly
   4 you need to repeat the process

Meanwhile while the the landowner is progressing though steps 1 -4 which takes a random and variable amount of time the staker is passively generating revenue as well as having thier principle investment increased though compound interest which also increases the amount of REVDIS they receive

Put a different way the staker earns "24/ 7 " without having the "pauses" somone trying to farm blueprints has therfore has a higher income more stable income potential that retains the intergity and grows thier principle investment

[reef jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-solar-flare-heat-hot-outer-space-gif-15855155

[little moon]

I agree that staking is the safest and most reliable way but there will be people with land who make way more. In my opinion. If they land that skin that’s worth tons then it’s worth more! So I’d agree that token is the better option but I like the gamble and the game 🙂

[gaunt gyro]

Wen Zero?

[empty path]

This is the last update:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[mystic solstice]

any news on when the land will be out?

[empty path]

Land has been sold quite a while ago?

[harsh acorn]

Check the link above lol

[mystic solstice]

like when land can be played

[empty path]

This is the last update:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[odd marlin]

@empty path fulltime job reposting the same response from 20min ago

[empty path]

This job is not for everyone

[chrome goblet]

long long long time

[lapis gulch]

There's a small caveat to skin price, which is it has a minimum price which equals 3x certain illuvial. So prices might be a bit out there if the required illuvials are expensive themselves. This however does not guarantee a bigger profit, because it will have higher ingredients cost.

[thin wolf]

Getting the impression that Illuvials will be in abundance intially

[woeful gate]

Starting to get the feeling that IZ might be launched at the same time as the main game... 🤣

[mystic umbra]

I appreciate all the community feedback you guys gave, it was way more than I expected i love our community even if our views may dissent from one another our hearts are all in the right place.

[grave spade]

today's land depreciation is quite strong, -7% for T1

[slim harbor]

Dollar is basically the same though

Cheapest T1 is 0.3672 atm that's still $650 o.o

[slender copper]

My T4 has gone up from under 20k value in USD to just over 23k in the past 24 hours. This whole thing about having an asset worth that much tied into a game that I play on my phone has me nervous....but in a good can't wait to see what happens way.

[slim harbor]

Yeah this is the biggest "eh whatever happens happens" I've invested in

[grave spade]

and this is definitely looks wierd

[grave spade]

yesterday's price is about $695

[grave spade]

at least you are not lost in Vegas to have same kind of experience

[slender copper]

Just selling back between their own accounts....what benefit does that give?

[grave spade]

In a first glance I thought about mega city

[slender copper]

Yeah, it's not a "put 23k on black" scenario.....I'm feeling much more confident in ILZ! Haha.

[grave spade]

may by IMX cashback

[slender copper]

Like an IMX airdrop?

[grave spade]

need to investigate fee/reward ratio. Somebody in here told me it's a bit more then 1,0 so scammers are playing the game of trading in a collab between each other

this guy was from God Unchained

but this hustle looks so sad

[slender copper]

Haha actually I felt like I was a little bit in Vegas after I hit the 'buy' button on land sale on the T4 and having to wait to see what random elements and fuels I would get.......got pretty lucky with mine....phew!

[slender copper]

Yeah, this has to be what they are trying to exploit

[grave spade]

Wow, did you participate on auction? I missed it so bought my peace from hands so I saw everything and even found balanced one after a tedious scrolling ^^`

didn't know that they were covered in auction

[little moon]

Good morning fellas

[slender copper]

Yes sir! Was in the land auction and was stacking sILV for quite a while before hand. Was expecting to only get a T3, but the price came down enough for me to get a T4. Got 5 fuel sites that match my landmark with good balance for the rest. Am very excited for the game to launch. Would love a nice rare skin, either way it should be good fun!

[analog inlet]

it may enter beta first but it will go " live " at the same time as the main game and there will be progress reset before live

[proven orbit]

thats like 4 weeks or so away?

[empty path]

No dates for now, once there are they will be posted in #📣〕announcements

[grave spade]

Wow this is great 🙂 You should definitely have enough 🙂 And I hope to save one for myself (still don't know, would T1 be enough or should I think about T2 at least)

[worn scaffold]

I just bought my 2nd T3 😍

Lovely discounts today

[misty rock]

Congrad. Still have Dry Powder

Now we wait for Zero...

[worn scaffold]

Yep, hopefully it will come soon and my feeling says; it will. 😄

[misty rock]

How would you like Illuvium Zero?
1️⃣ Perfecto AAA Quality at Alpha Launch (Up to Dev to lead us)

2️⃣ Good Quality playable content at Alpha Launch (A while later, quickly)

3️⃣ Simple graphic playable content with bugs to be reported at Alpha Launch (Now)

Do note that after launch we still need to play it, test it, exploit it, then update again and test again. Many round before final version.

Personally since its alpha. I dun really brother about impressive graphic. Those can be improved during patches or update.

There will be bugs and we need to fix it eventually in alpha. Then we can proceed with the actual launch.

[viral star]

What you get it for?

[worn scaffold]

2.88 eth

[viral star]

Damn that’s not bad - you see any opps to build a city?

Kinda want to get a second

[spark ruin]

why is illuvium zero taking so long?

[empty path]

You can read the updates in the pinned messages

[spark ruin]

they said 3/4 weeks after land sale

[worn scaffold]

At the moment, no. I don't think it's necessary at this point to pay the premium price for a mega city.

For now I'll try to snipe as many 'cheap' lands as possible and then I can start thinking about a city later. I might have some lands that I can trade with someone else, who knows? 😄

[worn scaffold]

You already have a mega city?

[viral star]

Haha that’s a good idea

Yeah got lucky and got one during the sale. T4,1,1,1

[worn scaffold]

Sweet!

[dire pier]

whoever waited to buy the dip on eth and is now scooping up the fire sale on t3's and that one t4 is getting some great deals

[slim harbor]

I'm Whaley happy for them

[simple lance]

They actually meant 4-6 months, but wanted a good land sale.

[little moon]

Yes , they say 4 weeks after land sale... but when u dont know exactly the status of ur product and just focus in make the money.. this happens

at least the design improve a lot

thats a good step

[hearty cradle]

so far we have done crimson and halycon

brightland WIP
and 4 more

gonna be awhile

[whole spear]

Welcome

[hearty cradle]

Welcome

[empty path]

Please use English only in public chats

[hearty cradle]

Looks like people dumping land

[radiant sky]

Was rprtty busy last days, so i couldn't read that much. Did you Stream ilz Alpha? Ccan't Find anything online. Do you still Plan to do, or dies is it need more time for showing gameplay, because Marketing wants to make it Big af?

[whole spear]

Not yet

but soon

[hearty cradle]

Before fp 0.2

[radiant sky]

Sweet, looking forward to it

[hearty cradle]

not even @wary notch sweeping this floor

[wary notch]

When funds come in, I will

[empty path]

How many do you guys have now

[wary notch]

205

[empty path]

Goals to beat Polemos?

[wary notch]

Which wallet ate they?

Are

[empty path]

They announced they have 707 😅

[hearty cradle]

i'll list some once you have swept

Crimson T2 at 1e

thats a big L

[radiant sky]

Looks Like there is arround 50% of all plots in the Hands of players, and 50% in the hand of a few whales

[hearty cradle]

yea, land was an exit liquidity for OG stakers

$65m converted from potential locked $ILV to jpegs

clever

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

[hollow shoal]

Woah why do you guys have so many? Haha

[wary notch]

Do You guys think it's beneficial or negative for whales to hold such a % of they supply

[empty path]

I don't see a problem with it since there will be a lending system

[wary notch]

Can't help it, i'm in love with land

[hollow shoal]

Good answer, right there with you but will never have as much as you.

[radiant sky]

I think if you watch for just 1 Region, it is a huge advantage, simply because you gona have something close to Like a skin-monopol...
When i hear 700 plots, and imagine that in 1 Region.. prices for specific skins could be insane high, just because no other has them or has them yet

[wary notch]

Specifically I meant for the project

[thin wolf]

actually the small holders 1-3 roughley has 80% of the plots.

[empty path]

👀

[radiant sky]

Na, don't See a Problem there.

[radiant sky]

I can imagine a good percentage of the 2 plots wallets are leftovers of second-wallets in order to mint megacities without beeing sniped. I for myself have 2x 2 plot wallets for this reason

But yea, you End up maybe with 60+ % for small holders

[thin wolf]

True,i did that after the fact🥲

[hollow shoal]

So I own 9 plots of land, does this count me?

[thin wolf]

No sir your top 1% and you should throw prices at us peasants.

[hollow shoal]

Hang on I ain’t a whale lol

[thin wolf]

A whale would say

[hollow shoal]

How was this calculated? Haha

[radiant sky]

Probably not at all... Just a Bad guess 😂

[thin wolf]

i pulled the data from imutascan,i need to do a new one as the one above is almost 2 months old. give me 15 Hours and i wil have a new one up

[empty path]

Thanks for your hard work

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-excellent-extra-hello-hello-u-gif-21823546

[hollow shoal]

Honestly thank you, super cool to see.

[radiant sky]

Do you have a Lot of t1 or a good amount of high Tiers aswell?

[wary notch]

I have a T4 for every fuel landmark and a T3 for every element landmark, 21 T2 3 per región, other than that only T1 spread on all regions

I'm thinking once the bid system is in place I can complete a few mega cities

[worn scaffold]

Nice and well spread! Are you open to trade lands? Maybe we can help eachother out with 2x2s?

[wary notch]

Sure, how tho

I would only trade land to Buy more land

[radiant sky]

Sounds Like you bougth with a Plan👍
You planned to rent out your t1 or Flip them for a higher price in a later Stage of the game?

[worn scaffold]

Not sure if you have a list with your coordinates? I can give you mine, but I only have 7 lands so my list will be a little bit shorter. But maybe I currently own something which you need

[wary notch]

I'm hoping to set up shop as a skin factory

[radiant sky]

Great idea

[fair temple]

Thats cool

[wary notch]

You can check out my adress at immutascan

[worn scaffold]

Oh yes, that’s probably the easiest way 😉

[wary notch]

0xae3967dc7896eecb35a6e7c77b4b0ce361076bd2

[slim harbor]

You gonna bid for a T5?

[wary notch]

It's hard cause I almost never sit on cash, every time I hey funds they get invested

[thin wolf]

Single plot owners have gone up,could be to avoid getting sniped when hunting for MC

[fair temple]

Me and my one 2x2 megacity are top 21%!
Lets gooo!

[thin wolf]

That means you have 4 plots..10% Whale..

[fair temple]

10%? I guess i cant math but 1 +2 + 3 amount of plots is 79% total.

[worn scaffold]

Thanks, checked your coordinates and mine but we can't help each other out. 😦

[thin wolf]

you have 4 plots to make up a Mega city

[fair temple]

Yes. So i am in the 21% that is nót the owners of 1 or 2 or 3 plots 👀

[thin wolf]

yes,i dident consider looking at it that way😬

[fair temple]

Do you already have someone to manage all those lands? Its gonna be a huge undertaking to manage all the people involved as well as making it run smoothly by giving everyone tasks to perform within set timeframes 👀

[thin wolf]

Fraggy?

[fair temple]

Yeah we wont see her once Illuvium zero starts 😂

[wary notch]

She won't help me 🥲

[wary notch]

I justo have 10 people, i'm hoping full time myself to oversee all that

[thin wolf]

i think she has her work cut out for her with Kierans plots

[wary notch]

True

Thats like 150 plots already

[thin wolf]

Polemos will be building out something to facilitate renting out land,but nothing is confirmed

[fair temple]

Dang yeah well Infoluvial will try to support you with tools however we can. Please call on us whenever you find things that we should add to the site once the game comes out

[thin wolf]

@wary notch 205 is insane amount of plots,are you considering T5?

[fair temple]

And 10 people for 200 lands is insanity xD

[thin wolf]

Best i can do is be morale support and give out internet high fives,iam feeling overwhelmed with 15 Plots...

[fair temple]

I asked if i could play on a megacity of Kieran's I think 2 megacities is all I will be able to handle on a daily basis 😬

[wary notch]

I may need help to stop myself from buying more land

[thin wolf]

Sadly i can not help you there😆

[fair temple]

I dont think that should be your concern 😄
If you buy more lands you should just focus on more people as well. But that will become easier once the game comes out so just continue buying, but try to do so in strategic locations to finish megacities 🤣

[thin wolf]

if its 30Min per plot for max efficiency,it will be hard ot maintain.

[dire pier]

mega's might not be functional at beta

[fair temple]

But if you can play the megacity as 1 plot it would be easier.

[vivid cipher]

I do not actually have one really really good t1, like nearly as good as a t4 really. Let me know if you want to buy it. It’ll be the last one you ever need to buy.

[wary notch]

Plan on doing that when the bid system is in place

[dire pier]

johnny said mega functionality won't be in beta. i can see how reworking the interface for multiple plots might not be on the top of the agenda, but really hoping they get it in somehow.

[wary notch]

Lemme see

[slim harbor]

What's the bid system?

[thin wolf]

We need Bidding and Rental system before launch, at least bidding😬

[wary notch]

Please IMX 🥲

[thin wolf]

we have @misty orbit he could sort us out?

[dire pier]

i keep thinking bidding isn't happening because it doesn't generate fees and IMX does everything at 0 gas. but since it's their own chain, do gas fees they pay even matter?

i'd definitely pay to bid

[thin wolf]

it would still count towards protocol fees and Creator fees.

like with OS

[fair temple]

It may incease trading volume because people will more easily sell the assets thay the market wants and with that they will gain more fees -> more revenue.

[thin wolf]

And Lars would have a chance for a mega city

Iam so spread out its not even funny..

[wary notch]

Go Lars!

[slim harbor]

I've got 2 very lonesome T2 plots that are basically in the sticks lol

[fair temple]

Like with nothing around? Those are true lottery tickets

[slim harbor]

Nothing around haha, but I'm keeping them and wasn't going for a MC so

[thin wolf]

and most wont,i dont think.just makes things easier.

[fair temple]

What if the next batch of lands is sold and you are surrounded by T4s... then your value will SPIKE! XD but you couldve also bought it at the edge of the map and then you get no lands around it and it just drops in value xD (worthless is the wrong wording)
Please keep us posted on whether you make it during the upcoming years haha

[slim harbor]

I'm trying to work out if it's a good idea to sell 3 T2's for a T3... But I keep thinking with the T2's I have more blueprint chance and more land to sell if things start popping

[slim harbor]

I actually didn't consider that lol

[queen folio]

[charred aspen]

I also think about to sell 3 T1 and buy a T2 or sell 2T1 put some eth on top and get 1 T2 and keep 1 T1

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-say-ill-do-it-conrad-the-summer-i-turned-pretty-i-didnt-agree-with-it-i-didnt-accept-it-gif-25985776

[charred aspen]

But with 3 T1 I have access to more regions 🤷

[slim harbor]

For fuel I think it makes sense to get the T2's, 3 T1's generate 3 fuel, a single T2 generates 4, but If you want more spread for blueprints then T1's I guess, but T2's just feel like the sweet spot for self sustaining

[thin wolf]

Its like the saying goes,when in doubt.buy more plots..

[hollow shoal]

Lol is.. is that the saying?

[charred aspen]

That’s what I also thinking, but I have the feeling that it is a better idea to wait til IZ beta before switching land. Because then I will have a much clearer picture about the game mechanics itself

[slim harbor]

Yeah exactly, smarter than me, I just panic buy cheap land

[thin wolf]

it should be

[charred aspen]

😂 so I should get a loan 🥴

[fair temple]

Yep right now everyone is just speculating on the limited amount of information available.
Right now i would say T1s are better if you have the discipline to work on them for a year or 2. But will see little revenue until that time while T2s should in comparison be easy to manage and give a more stable output in the earlier days.

[hollow shoal]

I just can’t wait to share blueprints lol that will be the hype I am excited for.

[slim harbor]

You'll have to send me your blueprints to have a look at, I'll send them right back

[thin wolf]

Would this make sense for land like an average?proabley not as t1 and t2 would have a massice ROI

[hollow shoal]

Haha oh yeah no problem, send me your land so I can see how you got your blueprints 😉

[thin wolf]

pretty sure you have to,Not financial advice(iam covered)

[fair temple]

Is the revenue avaraged for every land owner?

[hollow shoal]

I remember we talked about creating a system to better produce items from blueprints. Create a factory haha

[fair temple]

So every land owner per land would see 2300$ in the lowest scale per year?

[slim harbor]

Also I didn't think land owners received revdis, or am I wrong

[thin wolf]

yes,it was just a fun to see what numbers i could see,not taking account Boost and fule sites,just spread over landowners.

[hollow shoal]

That’s the dream, if those numbers were remotely accurate then I will buy two T2s right now!

[charred aspen]

If I remember correctly, owners will receive revdis

[fair temple]

Landowners gain 5% of ingame revenue. Some people confuse revdis with ingame rewards. While the ingame revenue is only a small part of revdis.
(It does not include merch, sponsorships esports etc.)

[slim harbor]

I know I should know this, but how is the payment made to land owners, Eth or ilv or silv2

[thin wolf]

No,its dogshit,we need @high sleet math.

[slim harbor]

I'm assuming not silv2

[thin wolf]

Eth

[fair temple]

You sell fuel to a balancer pool with eth and the fuel.
When you plug it in the pool,the dao mints 19x the amount and adds that as well in some way...

[slim harbor]

Sweet, so I guess my last question is as a land owner can I get silv2 in any way or is that only through staking

[fair temple]

You can "unofficially" buy sILV2 from stakeholders who want to sell it for Eth 👀

[cinder wing]

Tier 1 lands are worth alot more than people think. It's not just what they can put out by themselves but how they can be part of a larger grouping or block other groupings from forming.

[fair temple]

But a T1 in the middle of other T1s is just that... a very normal tier one :]

[slim harbor]

Mine has a snail called Greg on it, 1 eth

[cinder wing]

Like lets say you got a tier 1 right next to a string of 5 tier 3s. Some day when they for a larger grouping they may have to purchase your land at a premium

[slim harbor]

Is this when megacities can form megamega cities and the corpos take over crimson waste

[hollow shoal]

Guys why hasn’t anyone voted on the iip24?

[fair temple]

They have 2 more days... so no rush 😄

[slim harbor]

Because I am a poor investor who got wowed by pretty land colours and an actual game, the rest is slowly coming

[hollow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/deku-midoriya-izuku-kudurmak-8292828-gif-21444155

[abstract dock]

So, any updated news on the IZ release date?

[slim harbor]

Ctrl v anyone

[dry mango]

no fixed date yet TBA

[charred aspen]

To add my part to the speculation 😜, these are my numbers I play around to figure out the earning potential of land. At lest for fuel sites:

I consider 2 million players spending 20$ a month as conservative

[abstract dock]

How are prices for land now compared to the sale? Up or down. %?

[slim harbor]

I know this discussion has been had before but I hope they open up a vote for a revenue split increase if and when more land is sold (if it's way sooner than we expect)

[cinder wing]

remarkably similar. In USD its basically about the same.

[abstract dock]

Thanks

[cinder wing]

I came in here like a week ago all hot and heavy about that very issue. It has to be some sort of manipulation. I mean either that or wallstreet hasn't figured out how to short digital land yet.

[abstract dock]

I think that shows incredible strength if in face land prices are the same as during the sale....

*if in fact

[slim harbor]

Aw man someone scooped the 0.97 crimson waste T2

[dry mango]

the floor price has been holding up too consistently

[slim harbor]

I was scheming funds together

Had all resources

[hollow shoal]

My bonus comes in on Friday guys. No one buy anything until then 😉

[cinder wing]

lol right. I wanted to get some lands on the cheap but settled for two at about .4 eth each. I convinced my 12 year old that I would buy the lands and she would manage them for me. What a sucker. 🙂

[charred aspen]

It actually much higher now in USD if you payed in silv2. I payed 361 usd on average for my T1 plots

[misty orbit]

Haha, up to the team building it hey 😋

[cinder wing]

that is insane. what one of the plot numbers. I gotta look it up.

[thin wolf]

love it

[thin wolf]

i know,was a massive reach😆 do you rember the link to the WIP page IMX have?

[charred aspen]

Thanks, the big unknown are blueprints. I have no idea how to value them. I ‘m just sure, if we see a major hype around Illuvium, blueprints or skins can get insanely valuable. Other than for fuel, there is no mechanic place that keeps the price on a reasonable level.

[thin wolf]

With all the content they are pushing out now,we have only seen the start of it.its going to be a wild tide from here to launch imo

[thin wolf]

Solar incoming😬

[vivid cipher]

This shows prices in eth during the land sale.

During the sale people could also use sILV2 instead of eth. It was possible even back then to get sILV2 at a significant discount when compared to the value those sILV2 tokens would have when used in the sale. (When used in a sale sILV2 is worth whatever the price of ILV @main sequoia is at the time)

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[onyx cosmos]

5% increase per land sale seems fitting

[little moon]

Probably not the greatest idea since itll decrease the value of the ILV token, thereby reducing the value of the treasury and ingame rewards as well.

[dire pier]

Ya but land holders deserve something after being manipulated with the 4 weeks nonsense. We gave token holders the only revdis theyre going to get in all of 2022, they can kick us back a few extra percent

[slim harbor]

I wasn't thinking anything extreme, max of 10% total, maybe 1.25% extra per 20k land sale (or 0.75 for 10) assuming a land sale would only happen with growth anyway

[little moon]

Token holders were told the game would release last year. Kinda sounds like maybe we should decrease land yield 1-2% since token holders were "manipulated" in an even more severe way 🤣

[thorny falcon]

Is this a good time to buy Illuvium land?

[hollow shoal]

I think so, NFA. Always depends on your budget and what you are willing to spend.

[slim harbor]

Pure speculation but I think so too, when imx games get added to the GameStop market and with that binance announcement for more publicity too I think land will start getting slowly eaten up

Unless they do a sudden land sale like a tonne of bricks to the face

👀

[vivid cipher]

That will not happen. I won’t let it.

[analog inlet]

@dire pier I disagree they deserve anything . Its not like land will have any actual utility other than " beta mode" until Overworld is ready to got live soo really

what is being "missed" or " lost" that deserves compensation?

( yes i know you keep the blue prints which are useable till live either) completely disagree with giving anything more to land .

[analog inlet]

@onyx cosmos #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[onyx cosmos]

Ahhh I meant only fuel sale RevDis (not all inclusive)

[analog inlet]

II would use the term fuel sales revenue to avoid confusion.

"Fuel sales revenue" and "REVDIS" are completely separate things.
I am completely against any increase of any kind. personally as explained in that conversation

[onyx cosmos]

totally understand why, but what are your thoughts on driving land prices up via making them more valuable to own for the purposes of the rest of the DAO receiving increased REVDIS from secondary market sales (since it's a percentage thing) AND increasing attention to illuvium thus increasing the player base?

@analog inlet In a way, you'd be growing two communities at once thus increasing stability of the DAO

@analog inlet Maybe it also helps to think of this as illuvium already having two completely separate games (cause they do). Would you remove (or not allow) increased benefits to one of the games for the sake of the stakers? What about the next game Illuvium launches? I don't think that's the proper mindset for our DAO to have.

My thoughts are that because ILZ's game mechanics are split between 50% being about generating resources and 50% blueprints, granting 25% of the fuel revenue to the game would make it that much more desirable as a game (at least until future games are released and ILZ gets updates for additional utilities).

[analog inlet]

Just my personal opinion of course again i think that is extream and completely without jsutification

[dire pier]

Agree 25% for land and another 5% for every text wall solarstorm posts

[little moon]

Illuvitar accessories that can only be obtained through land would be cool. Land owners seem to be regretting their purchases right about now and maybe adding some new utility would help them feel better so they can stop whining about how they want money that ILV stakers are already entitled to.

[viral star]

any idea how many mega cities there are? at least the ones all in one wallet?

[hearty cradle]

IZ has infinite utility potential

you can literally add any utility to it without an IIP

the only thing you cant change is the maximum fuel supply

there are more token holders than landowners

for example, aaron has leaked spaceport for megacity for building spaceships (nod to SA?)

there is a whole new economy for building space ships

parts and materials are produced by individual plots

T1s being the lowest tier might produce nuts and bolts, while a T4 can produce the engine using parts produced by the lower tiers

[queen folio]

Oh snap, where was this? I must have missed that 👀

[hearty cradle]

Landowner gets 95% of revenue (blueprints, skins, ship parts) while stakers get 5% passively

[hearty cradle]

before the land sale, i think you can search aaron's chat + spaceport

[queen folio]

Ah, was it chatter as opposed to an image/concept art?

[hearty cradle]

yea it was an alpha

[queen folio]

I’ll take a little look around then!

[empty path]

Afaik all changes require and IIP

[hearty cradle]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

found it

they are going to add new revenues to land

this is why im bullish on land in opposite to token

[queen folio]

Ah I did see this… and forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder! Makes a bit more sense to me knowing that it’s the manufacturing of parts for space ships in the event there is ever a spaceship game.

Not just simply adding a spaceport to land just for us to have it. I guess that could end up being a possibility at some point. Who knows?

But yeah, additions like this would have to come through the passing of a proposal

Now I’m wondering what features could come to land plots to help support an Illuvium MOBA, if that gets proposed/approved in the future 👀

[hearty cradle]

something as big as a ship game and ship factory would need an iip

but we can treat it as a "blanket" IIP

and add tons of utility using that IIP

[hearty cradle]

Exactly land is going to be the building block of ILV verse

thats why its Zero

The originator

1. It produces fuels, the ingame currency of ILV
2. It produces bp->skins, prob our biggest source of rev
3. To catch illuvials to make skins u need fuels
4. Any future game will utilize IZ, e.g. space game, CoC,

[queen folio]

Jeez Jag— way to make a man feel bad for not having a megacity sheeeesh

But really if I could make up my mind about a region… I might be able to get a megacity one day 😅

There’s just so many good choices!

[hearty cradle]

T1s megacity?

[radiant sky]

T0 megacity 😤

[sonic needle]

extremely useful!

[exotic yacht]

Dua Lipa’s body is something else 🤌

[noble drum]

What percentage of illuvium revenue do people think will come from fuel sales? 50%? 80%? Is there any breakdown of the illuvium expected revenue streams?

[hearty cradle]

that a good range

[slim harbor]

69% because we live in a sim

[hearty cradle]

thank god u added probably

[radiant sky]

That's not illuvium colors...

Looks Like you have some work to do

[hearty cradle]

looks like SA color

[valid swallow]

Guys, what are the commissions on IlluviDEX?

[lapis gulch]

Only the protocol ones. No additional for the marketplace.

i.e. it's cheaper than IMX and tokentrove.

They have 2% on top of illuvidex.

I might be wrong here, but I think 4% royalties 1% IMX and 0% marketplace fees.

[quick elm]

And $ILV available to US customers too..🔥

[humble lichen]

Has anybody checked the chain yet? It's 4% ilv fees + 2% imx, does IMX L2 have a proper address scanner?

[lapis gulch]

Immutascan

[humble lichen]

It doesn't show anything

No fees, just from/to

[lapis gulch]

I think the split sells in two transactions. One to transfer the tokens and one to transfer the nft.

I guess it can be better in many ways, but if fees are alway x% then what is the point. You can just have it in your mind.

[valid swallow]

From my experience, I can tell that they are about 10%. The exact amount, unfortunately, I did not count

[solemn creek]

I took a few weeks off from checking, sorry if this gets asked like 9 times a day. Just checked the pinned messages and there’s supposed to be an update video, is that out yet? I don’t suppose there’s a release date announced?

[dry mango]

https://twitter.com/illuviumio/status/1544324249581588480

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no date yet

[fickle ore]

Any word when the T5 auction will be? Been a few months since the land sale was thinking they would have done it by now.

[hearty cradle]

[deep brook]

Was curious too, the theory is that they’re partnering with GameStop to launch on their marketplace and were waiting on that but that’s not confirmed by the team at all

[fickle ore]

I wonder if any potential bidders of T5 would be exposed to ILV due to the GameStop partnership. 🤞

[deep brook]

Eggzaachly

[hollow shoal]

@thin wolf please tag me when you create the new unique land owner chart 🙂 thank you!

[thin wolf]

Here you go

[hollow shoal]

A god among men, thank you haha

[signal rose]

Do we any ETA on illuvium zero?

[sly summit]

Soon

[onyx cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/legion2010-legion-horror-movie-movie-angels-of-death-gif-24194827

[undone phoenix]

This is the latest update #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[signal rose]

Thanks

[paper flame]

You should try God's Unchained. It's pretty awesome.

[empty path]

I once did but didn't understand it

[paper flame]

It's simular to illuvium battle board but it turn based not auto. Once illuvium releases I think both games will share alot of players. IMX flagship games.

[worn scaffold]

It’s more similar/copy of Hearthstone right?

But yeah, it’s a great game. Played it quite a while as well, but I don’t think it will share a lot of players since Illuvium is way different.

[hollow shoal]

@paper flame what are the returns like for gods?

[winter summit]

Haven’t been here in awhile. Wen alpha/beta

[fair temple]

ways out still 🙂 any new announcements in #📣〕announcements

[bleak raven]

wenwen, why ILV$ 117

[mortal merlin]

Lol they are?

I mean the maths were easy

I didnt buy any lands

No way they are getting more revdis at this point it would be such a disgrace to token holders

Always said the main source of rev from lands will probably be exclusive BPs anyway

[lyric hamlet]

Just got an email from Illuvium

Was hoping for the announcement for the release

Instead, they offered me a tshirt

[hearty cradle]

it's not a tshirt

it's a jersey

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-mind-megamind-potato-tomato-gif-25213138

[hearty cradle]

can someone tell him

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-happy-dance-gif-18982959

Not really

[cosmic aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-doing-this-to-me-why-asking-why-me-what-are-you-doing-gif-14963486

[vivid cipher]

It was for SM

[whole spear]

this is usually @brisk plume

oh

i see your comment now

[empty path]

Time for a nap?

[gilded olive]

How much a land like this would cost

[obtuse violet]

The cheapest one I see on tokentrove with perfect split is 1.89, it also has tons of space for scanning I think

[dire pier]

U can get 2 floor t2s for the same price. Resources are convertable. Dev has said all lands are meant to be relatively equal within tier.

[rotund reef]

How much space are we going to need for scanning?

[obtuse violet]

No clue. I just remember reading/hearing/seeing somewhere that the scanning building would be more effective if it is placed in some distance from other structures 🤷‍♀️

[slim harbor]

I have a all corner except 1 node tucked away for that reason haha, never know

It would be awful/hilarious if you couldn't build on a node if it's too close to another one already built on

[slim harbor]

But wouldn't this mean T1's would excel at scanning or is the higher tier land technically bigger?

[hollow oxide]

Yes think so

[obtuse violet]

Scanning will cost resources, so higher tier land would have resources to scan more often. Afaik, lands are all same size. I think it would also be plausible that you use a high tier land to generate resources and use a scanner on a tier one to which you either transfer resources or that is a part of your megacity. Until we know costs and time spent/real money cost of everything, we won't know

[grizzled remnant]

people think that a balanced plot is good. In my point of view. it's not.

[rotund reef]

If it's your only one maybe. Otherwise I agree.

[little moon]

Hi! When will release illuvium zero??

[empty path]

You can see the last update in the pinned messages

[crude bramble]

2024

[little moon]

I kind of agree, if you’re only aiming for 1 plot, t2 with all the element and fuel sites is probably the best deal, but if you’re aiming for multiple plots on different regions or megacities even, then wanting a balanced plot for most if not all of those wouldn’t even be realistic

[rotund reef]

Yeah, we still don't really know how valuable these resources and fuels are going to be yet. It's unfortunate, but once these things are more known, price is gonna go up a lot, so it's a trade off.

[paper flame]

Not so great if you got in at the top. Most of my nft's (cards) are worth less than they were when I got them. Playing ranked you can earn nft's and tokens but not alot of value unless you're at the top of mythic. You have to be very good to get to mythic rank. I'm sure my Illuvium land will earn alot more than what's possible currently in GU. It's really fun though and you can play and earn without investing anything.

[hollow shoal]

Thank you, I might play but we shall see

[slow zephyr]

hi

[slim harbor]

Or down a lot 😅

[exotic escarp]

Is there a way to check the current value of 1 SLP (ETH/ILV pairing)?

[thin wolf]

Credits to @craggy shoal awesome work.

[thin wolf]

roughley 1K per SLP

[winter python]

I watched his video how accurate would you think he is… I have actually watched a couple different ones on YouTube

[thin wolf]

It assumes the lower revenue per year is 500million which is alot so if that happens we are in for a good time as land owners

[hollow shoal]

So I should get more land? Haha

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-excited-crazy-tutu-gif-20409905

[little moon]

t4 , 4k every month?

[thin wolf]

Yearley according to the above chart(not mine,just speculating)

[exotic escarp]

Thank you. Is the only way to figure this out to go on sushi swap and play with the pairings?

[sharp elk]

Anybody who already has SLP staked can work it out with some basic maths. 🙂

[exotic escarp]

Would you mind showing me?

[little moon]

well 4k yearly is not a big deal , compared to now Axie Lands

But i guess u can improve reveues with the game

plus the intrinsic value of the land

[whole stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/wen-gif-23310998

[thin wolf]

does not concider Blueprints which is a wild card.

[little moon]

Oh yeah , u right

plus the stuff u can get playing , another plus

im here waiting to play the beta hahah

[thin wolf]

landowners are the only ones getting BP to sell or make skins

which will be massive,if you see the skins the team is putting out.

[little moon]

yes!

Then meanwhile we wait for ZERO , i will hope one day the give me my beta

plus , waiting for t5

[thin wolf]

T5 will be a fun one😃

[little moon]

YEs

how much do u think the price will be?

[orchid isle]

More

[thin wolf]

Skies the limit buddy,have no idea with Tournements,e sports,ad revenues etc.

[little moon]

I like that

do u have the beta?

[sharp elk]

You just log into your dashboard. It tells you the value of your slp, then just divide by the number of slp.

[thin wolf]

Yep,been playing since first batch,have played it every day(except for when i was on vaication)

[hollow shoal]

How many lands would you trade for a T5?
Half? All?

[thin wolf]

All probably😬

[hollow shoal]

Crazy. I like it.

[thin wolf]

Yep it will be awesome when the sale hits

[hollow shoal]

Feel free to sell some T2s for $1500 or less tomorrow. My bonus will hit tonight and going for at least one ;3

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[little moon]

i want to play beta , lets see if someone see me as a t4 owner and give me the beta haha

[hollow shoal]

Haha trying, trust me.

[little moon]

And i will go for t5 , when the sale is on.

I own a genesis and 19 mystic in Axie

time for ILV

[exotic escarp]

Oh! Easy peasy. Thanks lol

[thin wolf]

How much is that worth?

[little moon]

500 k i guess

[mystic umbra]

I want to get some leaks of the possible skins we’ll be able to get on zero

[little moon]

a little bit more

[mystic umbra]

Or is the only way to get skins through zero

[thin wolf]

Holy shit, dollars?

[little moon]

Yep

In Lands

i own a Axie Team and some Stake too 🙂

[thin wolf]

You can go shopping like a crazy person

[little moon]

And i want to enter here now in ILV , my first adquisition was 3 lands T4.

and now waiting for a beta and t5

[thin wolf]

T5 will be a different beast entirely

[little moon]

and i want it hahah

meanwhile i will wait for beta

[orchid isle]

do higher tiers of land get more of the 5% in game revenue or is it all the same?

[coral tree]

All lands added together get 5% of total ILV revenue estimated…. But land revenue is based on fuel and higher tier lands produce more fuel

[little moon]

yeah, think illuvium earns 100$, 5$ are split up to all land owners, the other 95$ comes from somewhere else, e.g. other sales, sponsors, etc.

[teal mural]

T5 Going for a million+ most likely. shit if they wait till next year then I might go for it if it’s around 500k shit for a T5 yeah I want that!

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-22046787

[orchid isle]

my point being does a t1 landowner and t2 land owner get the same % as eachother

[noble drum]

It’s based on fuel generated. A tier 2 land generates 4x more fuel than a T1. So it will gets 4x more money

[coral tree]

No they don’t. A t1 will get a lower share of the 5% which is split up by all lands. T2 gets about 3x-4x the fuel income of T1…… T3 gets about 9-12X a T1 and T4 and T5 I don’t know.

[orchid isle]

pure fuel generated or fuel sold?

[queen folio]

It would be fuel sold (but it has to be produced on your land first, of course) 👍

[noble drum]

I think there is something like 88-89,000 (if I remember the math correctly) fuel output of all the lands. (Sites plus boosts). So 5% of all the fuel sales will to the land owners. And then you will get 1/88,000 of that money per fuel site generation that your land has. Example 1 for a T1 and 4 for a T2 etc

[pulsar carbon]

What was the math on Land fuel sales vs ILV rev-dis?

I know someone did that at some point and figured out the land price point where a T1 would give you the same amount of return as however much ILV once the game launched

Can't for the life of me remember where it was or what the calc came out to though.

[orchid isle]

I know the devs said something about some price fixing with fuel so land owners don’t drive the price of one fuel up to much. Does anyone know what that price range for fuel is?

[hearty cradle]

guys everything about fuel supply, we need IZ alpha data first. it's impossible to figure out fuel price without extrapolating the average fuel production from IZ. To extrapolate we need some statistic for the alpha, just hope we have enough sample.

[austere whale]

Hope they can match IZ alpha release with upcoming merge

[hearty cradle]

lets say from 3 months of alpha we get 1000 of crypton per day, assuming 50% of plots are being played during the alpha ranging from T1-T4, this is assuming megacity hasnt been implemented. So we extrapolate that data to a full production post launch

remember the problem :

1. we need to figure out the starting price of fuel
2. We have a rail of +-25% price range

3. IZ supply must be up to 5%

i'll suggest to remove the rail at the start and let the price find market equilibrium

[spiral shadow]

what's the best resource to look out for when you buy lands?

[harsh acorn]

I'd suggest the rails for launch as not to discourage new players from entering with fuel costs going through the roof with out rails.

[fair temple]

All resources will likely be equally important.

[coral tree]

Having an even amount of each resource and being close to other tier 3’s and tier 4’s which increases their value as an NFT

[spiral shadow]

Thank you! Do we know when's the next land sale?

[coral tree]

For tier 3 you also want a landmark that matches your resources if possible

[spiral shadow]

Got cha! i figured those would be expensive compared to floor

[spiral shadow]

i cant afford a t3. i might just go for a t2 or 2 t1s

[coral tree]

well, right now prices have been coming down and one other benefit is multiple T1 in different areas allows you to scan for blueprints of different types. Fuel is useless until illuvium full game is out, but they are letting us keep blueprints, so might be a better idea to get multiple T1s and go for as many blueprints as you can get. You can always sell on IMX later on.

[spiral shadow]

That's a great idea! thank you!

[hearty cradle]

someone good with math maybe can explain to us how to work out the supply and price

[mystic umbra]

Yeah math person

[hearty cradle]

my simple brain literally just blew up imagining the complexity

[coral tree]

I’m pretty good with math, but I don’t get the question.

If it’s about supply of fuel and price you’d really need to make some big assumptions… such as all fuels are equal in value…

[hearty cradle]

how do we figure out how much crpton, solon and hyperion will be produced from IZ?

[empty path]

I don't think you can since we don't know if everybody that has land will be playing

[thin wolf]

not sure if this is what you are looking for but it made sense to me.its made by @craggy shoal https://youtu.be/h4qw7tn3oyI

He also has the spreadsheet up on his Discord.

[hearty cradle]

did he calculated hw much fuel is produced?
i havent watch it, but i saw some screenshots that he made the calculation from the top down, like ILV revenue divided by the number of fuel nodes ?

[hearty cradle]

yea thats my biggest question
imagine only a fraction of people play IZ alpha, how reliable is IZ alpha data

[thin wolf]

he took all the individual fuels into consideration,went more indepth than any other video i have seen on the matter based on the information we have,he also adds in videos of Kieran were there is statements made in the past to base his numbers on.

[hearty cradle]

because we have to put a price on fuels and the amount of fuel needed for traveling to T1-T5, cure shards and craft things

[thin wolf]

the bases was that 5% of revenue goes to Land owners.and worked out from there.

[hearty cradle]

damn nijafe looks viking badass

[empty path]

I would say not accurate at all

[hearty cradle]

i wish i have beard that epic

ok im watching the videos, and numbers man
im having a massive withdrawals

this looks like a monday watch

note to myself, dont party on a thursday

[kindred kettle]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that we can only travel to a region where we have a plot in

To explore the main game I mean

[hearty cradle]

completely different game, wont affect each other, other than fuel price

[empty path]

This is incorrect 🙂

[kindred kettle]

Ah I see, so I don't need to have a land in say brightland steppe in order to gain access to it?

[empty path]

No ser

[kindred kettle]

Got it

Thank you

So owning a plot of land in a certain region only affect which illuvial blue print we can hope to get?

[hearty cradle]

ok i have watched it
cmiiw, he assumed :

• all land maxed out
• all IZ owners are playing efficiently
• peaked players = peaked fuel demand

imo these assumptions do not help to determine the fuel price at the launch, or at least 6 months post launch

the hardest part is to estimate the numbers from launch to peak

im predicting the IZ fuel supply and demand for fuel is going to be very volatile for the first 3-6 months post launch

and, IZ need to produce fuel a few months before to launch to prepare the supply
otherwise, fuel supply from the DAO is going to be close to 100% post launch

most fuel from IZ is going to be used to build and upgrade structures

[radiant sky]

Totally agree with you. Nontheless i heared they are going both live at the same time

[thin wolf]

Yep, so to me I would think maybe 1/3 of lands is not producing or is producing at 95-100% efficiency.which would give more revenue to the people who is active.

[sage inlet]

New stuff from me this week:

• Some fixes to the plant / obstacle respawn system,
• Goal system reworked to provide suitable daily goals based on what structures you have and what level / stage those structures are,
• Wrote a big (internal) document detailing the art asset update procedure.

Have a great weekend, y'all! ❤️

[thin wolf]

Appreciate the update, have a great weekend😃

[worn scaffold]

Thanks for the update!

[harsh dew]

Hello, Nick I just noticed the music of Shardbluff_Theme_01 you shared it's beautiful.
Do you know if the music is only for Illuvium Zero Shardbluff Labyrinth region or it's might be use as well in Illuvium Open World ?

[hearty cradle]

That daily/weekly goal is so essential

in web2 thats the most important aspect of the game to hook players

early gameplay at least

related to dopamine release

gotta need frequent dopamine release at the start

[slim harbor]

I think there's also a huge element of low income countries playing pay to earn games too that might be way more than we think

[hearty cradle]

just need to afford a decent gaming pc worth their annual salary

[empty path]

Not for IZ

[hearty cradle]

not for IZ yes

[harsh dew]

They are saying that price of composant in computer will go down due to the improvement in the crypto mining.

[neon light]

This is great. Thx for sharing. Imo messages of that kind are worth to tag as an announcement so that we dont miss them.

[fair temple]

The numbers are inaccurate in this sheet, as the production boost for higher tiers is not taken into account. A Tier 2 produces from 3x as many fuel sites as a T1 at a rate of 133% so 133*3=400%. In the sheet you can clearly see 1363 being the returns on a T1 and then 4080 being the returns on T2, which is only 3x. So the fuel revenue is skewed.

If the production boost was taken into account you would see a lot less revenue on lower tier lands, and a significantly higher return on T3-5s.

[slim harbor]

Gotta watch it now, surely someone making a video about ilz revenue wouldn't mess up fuel gen rates

Damn haha

[fair temple]

Ive not seen a lot of youtube videos that were actually 100% accurate 🙂 But the content is great. So i hope they will keep it up!

[slim harbor]

We need a company produced formula we can stick our made up values into and see potential revenue, that'd be cool

[fair temple]

they shouldn't do this as this would be seen as financial advice and speculation by the company. Would paint a bad picture if the amount of revenue never was achieved or such 🙂

[thin wolf]

@craggy shoal

[slim harbor]

Ah okay I wasn't thinking with my legal cap haha

But wouldn't it be much the same as producing a tokenomics document, a formula only shows how the revenue works, illuvium themselves haven't given any estimates or indications of what you could make, only the formula

[oak isle]

Guys I am super excited. Just want to know if I don't own land can I still play for skins (Blueprints) and keep them by playing the beta?

And do you think the price of land will drop more?

I see it is about 720 Euros for Level 1 plot

[fair temple]

you would have to buy skins/blueprints off the marketplace if you don't own a land. some blueprints/skins will likely be sold by Illuvium themselves but all the other blueprints will only be obtainable through ILZ, where you will need a land to actually play connected to the blockchain.

[slim harbor]

Keep your Eth on the imx L2 ready to buy and if you refresh every now and then you usually find someone looking for liquidity fast so might put up a land for below the floor quite a bit, this is the lowest in Eth I've seen T1's for ages so if you've got Eth already it isn't too bad

[fair temple]

they basically gave that in the form of amount of lands in total, amount of plots in one batch, amount of fuel sites and production boost.

Things such as run-cost are still vague and the 25% bars are also not set yet. So the amount of revenue for certain fuel types will also fluctuate. Its not as simple as it sounds to give the entire formula at this point.

[slim harbor]

Ah okay I see thank you, so we can do pretty reasonable guesses right now

[hearty cradle]

any number is purely entertainment

[slim harbor]

a trillion dollars seems reasonable

[lament viper]

Hello

[coral tree]

Hi

[lament viper]

I just discovered illuvium a good month ago, just in time to miss out the land sale.. But its been a wild month just sucking in everything illuvium, web3 gaming. Im left with a feeling, this this is no doubt the future. I cannot decide if I need to jump in and buy a land plot (tier 1), just because I gotta try it out (when IZ becomes available). Am I right in having observed a slight decrease in land plots for sale on dex? Anyone else new to illivium in here who missed the land sale and bought a plot afterwards?

*decrease in price of land plots on the dex

[coral tree]

Yes, prices have been falling. Maybe watch like a hawk for the floor to stop falling then buy tier 1. That’s what I’d do if that was all the funds I had.

Only other option to make a decent profit would be to wait for gas to hit like 4 GWEI and split ETH/ILV to stake SLP then just don’t touch it for years. IMO

[coral tree]

T1 has fallen about 25% in the past week or so

[empty path]

Is that in ETH price or USD value? (I don't check prices)

[grizzled heath]

that last screenshot of illuvium zero looks really really amazing!

[coral tree]

In ETH

[lament viper]

Glad I didnt FOMOed in then

[empty path]

Well ETH did go up in value a lot

[coral tree]

It was .41 a week ago and .31 right now

It did that’s true

[lament viper]

Thanks, Im already raking in ILV and ETH for staking. I just wanna wait till after ETH merge. Im still fairly new and all, so I cant figure out what is going ot happen past that in terms of ETH price and volatility. And ILV for that matter

[craggy shoal]

Ahh that’s right. I only took the fuel site into consideration. Makes a lot of sense. I was making it thinking a bunch of T1s might have been a better move.
I will update my calculator and make another videos to clear up that and a couple other things. @thin wolf

[crystal smelt]

Any update on Illuvium 0 ?

[empty path]

Check the pinned messages for the most recent updates

[thin wolf]

Awesome, looking forward how that looks like:-)

[queen folio]

Hey Mutos! If you haven't seen the UI updates already... definitely have a look through some of what Grant leaked last week too! Definitely has me wanting to play IZ right meow! Of course, I already wanted to play right meow before these leaks came through 😄

#🚰〕leaks message

It's lookin gooood 👀

[craggy shoal]

Yeah. I always have something telling me I made a mistake before I put out a video. I’m glad the community can point those out for me so I can make the fixes and deliver the best possible end product

[coral tree]

I wonder if zero ended up being very successful if ILV could turn into a mobile gaming company primarily. There’s a lot of people that have phones and I think zero looks very cool

[crystal smelt]

LOOKSSS GOOOOODDDDD

[coral tree]

Did I see that they plan to port the full game to mobile eventually too?

[hearty cradle]

just need to raise funding

[coral tree]

Yeah

[queen folio]

[wise widget]

They said months ago that they were already taking to another mobile gaming studio to take the main game mobile next year.

That will open us up to a vast amount of new players. They'll come a day when illuvium is on every major platform to players to play.

[coral tree]

Thought so thanks. That is great

Well mobile games are just easier to produce too…. And they have assets to make them now

But I’m all for the main game launching on PC with stellar success as well

[hearty cradle]

netease did immortal

i like immortal

it's not a new gameplay, but it's cleaner than similar games in the genre

idk if you have played lineage 2

genshin impact is a huge sucess

[keen river]

how is it possible to have the main game on mobile? isn’t it a bit too resource heavy for mobiles? On the Ipad pro for sure but than on the other hand, I don’t believe apple would accept a game with a crypto economy and a marketplace within the game

[hearty cradle]

they do accept

thetan arena

there are a few already

[keen river]

well better for me, I’d like to play the game on my ipad

[craggy shoal]

@thin wolf @fair temple
Does this look like a better representation of share per lot?

Also, does anyone know where I can find the average price for each tier of land during the land sale?

[thin wolf]

Maybe this can help? #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[craggy shoal]

Perfect. Thanks you

[slim harbor]

Is that per year?

Well I guess it applies to both

Month and year

Ignore me lol, it's a % I'm a numpty

[zinc vector]

Something seems wrong with the percentages. Did you factor in that land owners will only receive 5% of the total fuel costs?

[craggy shoal]

Yeah so these numbers get pulled into another chart and the percentages here are based off of 5% of the total expected ingame revenue.

[hearty cradle]

divided by number of nodes?

Plus the boost

[craggy shoal]

If by nodes you mean fuel sites then yes. And then boost is added in a well.

[hearty cradle]

do you think we should denominate fuel supply in $USD? Or in eth?

like the quantity of fuel

[craggy shoal]

Give me a minute. I show you the second chart this gets pulled into

[hearty cradle]

Like 10 crypton to travel to T1 crimson waste, assuming 1 crypton is $1

[craggy shoal]

That would be too much speculation in my optimism. We really don’t know what fuel type will be in the highest demand

[hearty cradle]

T2 is so sexy

T2 has almost 100% ROI

[little moon]

t4 for the win!

[hearty cradle]

$1b per year is doable

[mystic umbra]

I bought in silv2

[celest wagon]

1 year ROI

[hearty cradle]

not only you look delicious
ur a highly intelligent
i should introduce you to my parents

land sale was a real bargain

[mystic umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-damn-gif-21840770

Eventually $3b in revenue should be doable

[hearty cradle]

just need papa powell to hit the button

[mystic umbra]

Just in terms of successful gaming companies in recent years

[craggy shoal]

Yeah. I’m going to remake my last video and use some of the estimated numbers from @high sleet ‘s videos so we can get a better idea of the ROI with or without using a renter.

[orchid isle]

do we have an idea on the crypton to shard conversion rate?

[hearty cradle]

no

we need the supply number first

IZ alpha

is gonna be epic

we are going to debate all week

[mystic umbra]

Are those numbers in that based solely on the 5% revdis or is that basically your max amount you can get back if you are selling your fuel constantly

[craggy shoal]

It’s all based on averages. And assuming your land is played efficiently.
If you have lots of 1 type of fuel site and that fuel has the highest demand you’ll make more. If you suck at playing and forgot to log in some days you’ll make less.

Also keep in mind it’s not 5% of total revenue. It’s only the revenue used in game. And there will also be a lot of sILV2 used in the early stages of the game and that is just burned and not considered for any rev dis

[hearty cradle]

we are going to be busy building while people burning sILV2

[craggy shoal]

So Illuvium could make 1B rev in a year, but some will be from trading fee some from Illuvatar sales.
Only a portion of that is from Fuel purchased in game with ETH.

[mystic umbra]

But that’s why we’re staked as well

[shell heart]

Yikes less than $2 a day at the calculations on T1 how many going work there land for that in the long run

[craggy shoal]

This is all based on an estimated 1b per year. I think some will speculate that number will be much higher in a few year after more games come out

[shell heart]

Far stretch there

[craggy shoal]

It might be slow to start, but it should pick up

[hearty cradle]

too low?

[shell heart]

I still see the 5% as to low for the overall fuel production ,
And anytime this gets brought up ilv investors area against it because they want 95% of it

[craggy shoal]

I think most people who bought land are also staking. So not sure what there would be a big argument there. I do think 10% would sound a lot better

[cosmic aspen]

absolutely not.

[shell heart]

I watched a multi day discussion over it lol they want gaurd that 95%

[cosmic aspen]

you wanna keep ripping off the original stakers by chipping away at the terms of what they locked up at?

[grave spade]

GameDev needs money to create our game
Currently developers have 50% RevDis so 47.5% of main game investment goes to them (instead of 100% of Riots or Blizzard strategy)

[shell heart]

Lmao see i stired the pot hahahhaa

[cosmic aspen]

cuz the idea is idiotic

[reef jasper]

do you own land?

[cosmic aspen]

yep

[shell heart]

Well im prob going be exiting soon since land turned out to be a joke for me

[cosmic aspen]

over 100 plots

[grave spade]

Damn son! It sounds like winning

[craggy shoal]

Things can and do change in this game. It just takes an IIP and a vote. That’s the reason a vote takes place not everyone sees things the same way

[shell heart]

Except that the elected voters are going to protect there 95 lol

[grave spade]

Sounds like you didn’t understand built in and known mechanics

[craggy shoal]

That might be the case. But they earned that vote by staking their ILV

[shell heart]

I read tham and also understood there could be a % change voted upon but after a week sentiment here over it doesnt look good for that

[grave spade]

For sure
Do you think, how Dame Dev will make money to support the game in they not be able to sell fuel via DAO?

[fair temple]

Land is a low amount of constant revenue in comparison to ILV, but it does have certain pumps whenever you find a Blueprint or have a skin-monopoly for a certain period of time.
I dont think they should increase the constant revenue if you also have those spikes. IZ land is like a gambling game with gamified staking where you time the market etc. I like that aspect of it because someone míght get rich because of it. But just by producing fuel there wont be a ton of revenue 👍 Youd better hold ILV of the two tokens if you want to become rich passively

Or at least thats my take on it

[shell heart]

But 95% damn thats just greedy

[next obsidian]

The majority of money goes to token holders, which anyone can buy in for any amount at any time and stake. The dedicated 5% to land is a separate carve out.

[shell heart]

Also electoral votes are bs monarchy of the rich

[grave spade]

Also T1 and T2 feels like “premium edition” for Illuvium overworld as you create fuel for yourself for free after single purchase
And it shouldn’t be considered as investment. If you believe Apple will generate you income, you buy their shares, not their phones

[shell heart]

There phones where not sold as an investment
Land was sold a investment

[grave spade]

Its name is Oligarchy

Will it generate fuel? Could you sell it?

[shell heart]

I got to run ill be back to annoy you later

[craggy shoal]

Not saying increasing it is a good or bad idea. But increasing it would give land more value and increase prices and trading volume which will increase revenue slightly for the ILV stakers too. Win win right 😂

[fair temple]

It would reduce value of ILV tho(by a percent based on Lands' buff)
Yes then trading volume could go up... but what if eventually the lands find their foreverhome

[craggy shoal]

How? It would just being shifting where the ILV went right?

[fair temple]

If you take away a % of in-game rewards for ILV then its value drops no?

[grave spade]

True, next 5% will double land value and reduces ILV value by 5,5%

Hmmmmmmmm!!!

[craggy shoal]

We’re talking about staking getting 95% and land getting 5%. If that changed to 90 and 10 it’s still the same amount of ILV. It’ll just be a little more for land owners to play with and a little less for stakers. Price shouldn’t be effected.

[fair temple]

Yes but then ILV holders would get 5% less and land owners get the in-game rewards as Eth.

Because rhey sell fuel in a fuel/Eth balancer pool

So yes, ILV value will be impacted by lower rewards %.

[shell heart]

Land only generate from fuel ilv generates from all channels small slice lands have of the overall

[craggy shoal]

So tell me if this is right. The DAO takes 95% of the revenue to buy back ILV for the stakers, and the 5% for land is rewarded in ETH. So if the percentages changed the DOA would only be using 90% to buy back ILV and therefor less buying pressure on the ILV coin?

[shell heart]

5% from a single channel of rev would have minimal impact

[craggy shoal]

Okay so that makes sense. But my next question is why did they decide to pay out land rev as ETH and not ILV?

[fair temple]

Because the in-game currency is Eth and not ILV.

Btw remember that the revenue going to landowners is purely in-game revenue from fuel sales. Not other things such as promotional content/merch etc.
(Also skins/bp obv but thats another story :))

[craggy shoal]

Okay yeah. I got that. I guess they could have had players buy fuel with ETH, then have that ETH buy ILV for the land owners.
Maybe that’s too complicated

[fair temple]

Yeah i think it would be weird to speculate indirectly in-game on the price of the governance token versus the Fuel 😄

[shell heart]

Gov token is that for governance not used with in game

[craggy shoal]

True. But that would put even more buying pressure on ILV

[hearty cradle]

Treasury only has 19% of ILV supply

[craggy shoal]

Number go up! 😂

[hearty cradle]

IZ fuel supply is up to 5%, it can go lower

[fair temple]

But can it go higher?

[sly summit]

Or stay the same too

[hearty cradle]

currently no

[fair temple]

If everyone maxes out their IZ lands and sells way more than necessary to the balancer pool then wont the dao start burning once it hits the lower rails?

[shell heart]

Also dont forget there will be another 80k lands sold in the future to dilute lands even more

[hearty cradle]

they simply take liquidity out

[hearty cradle]

let' not vote for more land

[paper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-fulpstation-ss13-coding-gif-26273855

[fair temple]

Wen 500K land

[hearty cradle]

[shell heart]

Doubtfull that would happen since the dao also supplies 95% of all fuel generation

[fair temple]

I think they mint only after land sells to the pool, ór when a fuel type hits the topmost price rail.

[hearty cradle]

it possible to hit lower rail

when its low demand

thats why we wont vote for more land

im happy with 20k

our listing is 13.5% thats really high

[shell heart]

Would have to be very low demand since land only generates only 5% of all the fuel supply

[hearty cradle]

lets hope we never go there

[fair temple]

More

[hearty cradle]

u want more?

i have an idea

[shell heart]

Must be because get rev from land sales

[hearty cradle]

IZ should have its own DAO

[fair temple]

I introduce to you:
IIP-025 More land /s
Abstract
There is too little land, making its value too high which in turn makes it inaccessible to people with less liquidity.

Reasoning
500K is a big number so that is good. Look at Doge coin. 100K are rookie numbers.

Key points of interest
More land wen.

[hearty cradle]

Instead of councils, we elect commisioners

each commissioner get an assistant

[hearty cradle]

why are you here

[fair temple]

I think this is not intricate enough. Dont you know that illuvium is good at making things unnecessarily difficult?
We need advisors for the assistants and then partner councils for the advisors where 51% should vote for certain advisory directions before thats being relayed to the assistant of the commisioner

[hearty cradle]

each commisioner get a lifetime supply of wicked wings

[soft furnace]

.... gotta say, i feel like im witnessing an ADD conversation. The most random stuff pops off of in this channel and people just roll with it.

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/udh-wings-chicken-gif-16075415

[hearty cradle]

i beg your pardon?

why do you hate wicked wings?

[soft furnace]

Point made 😂

[hearty cradle]

wicked wings and onlyfans coupons

woops

[fair temple]

We have to do something without #🚰〕leaks 😔 we are just exploring more options to stall game release a little bit

[soft furnace]

Stall some more? Hmmm i guess so.

[hearty cradle]

if i do an onlyfans, do you guys gonna subscribe?

[fair temple]

Only if its that onlyfans name people came up with 2 days ago i cant remember it... i dont think i would subscribe no

[grave spade]

I would lovely agree to be your commissioner if you ask me. Coupons will be used reasonably

[hearty cradle]

Amouranth?

[austere whale]

Do you gonna lick armpits?

[soft furnace]

Are they still saying game needs to be perfect to release the beta thats supposed to check for bugs?

[hearty cradle]

i only do armpits

[fair temple]

Johnny will release IZ alpha in Q4 regardless of remaining bugs. Or so he suggested.

[hearty cradle]

sometimes rim, for a special occassion

[austere whale]

Then no

[hearty cradle]

no?

wdym no

[soft furnace]

Thats a lie. They said they will never release a game thats not 100%

[austere whale]

No sub for you

[hearty cradle]

wht ru smokin

[fair temple]

Well maybe he thinks that way but will be overruled by the other devs 🤷‍♂️ but i think it will be released in Q4. Internally they are already playing after all 😅

[hearty cradle]

*polished

[hearty cradle]

can we get beta for the alpha

[fair temple]

Could be interesting. Maybe Pre-beta for the beta of the alpha 👀

Im just making everything a little worse to sound cool at this point. Im gonna go and take a break. Hf guys 👍

[austere whale]

Imo imo imo imo imo

IZ alpha : Q4 Dec 22

Imo imo imo imo imo

[hearty cradle]

lol man

U made my day

u gonna get me intro trouble

[austere whale]

I will @ Johnny once Q4(1st October) starts and IZ still not out.

[hearty cradle]

please dont

[whole spear]

Is jag giving dates

[hearty cradle]

[coral tree]

And investors get the vote too

[coral tree]

Booooo. I’ll agree if you state all current land owners get 4 free plots lol

[hollow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-21451408

Any leaks? Haha

[quasi geyser]

Is this a joke?

[fair temple]

Am I a joke to you?
But yes the title is: More land /s

[quasi geyser]

Hard to tell what is and what is not in this clown world we live in

[fair temple]

Fair enough!

[ivory bough]

I object. I need my land to be worth 100 ETH

[whole spear]

Is this like the more tokens iip

100x the supply

[slim harbor]

Don't start meme votes, look at brexit

[dry mango]

lol

[cyan dew]

"3weeks after landsale" 🤣

[slim harbor]

Weeks as defined by tortoises

[hearty cradle]

celestial

[sage inlet]

The alpha is planned for September.

We are working super-hard to get this done.

[hoary forge]

Sep. 1st 😄

[sage inlet]

lol! No! 😂

[little moon]

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong here:
Land is able to produce a total of 5% of all fuel sold into the game.
In saying that, that doesn’t mean we’re getting 5% of what illuvium is worth we are getting 5% of what ever % money fuel brings in.
So if total revenue is $1000 and fuel made up $100 of that we would all be splitting $5 so even if their was a vote to increase the % for the land owners on fuel it wouldn’t change how much the Ilv stakers make since we’re talking about how much the DAO makes off the fuel, like 1% for us in fuel is less then 1% of iluvium it’s only 1% of the revue fuel brings in…
Right?!? Lol please if that didn’t make sense let me know or if I’m way off I can delete this I’m just trying to understand why everyone is so heated if that % went up

[mystic umbra]

So pb2 then alpha then illuvitars?

[sage inlet]

Sorry, I'm not willing to discuss land yield - you would have to take it up with people higher up in the chain. I'm merely a developer writing the systems that the game uses.

[little moon]

Sorry wasn’t directed at you lol I was back reading and saw the discussion on land and was just trying to understand a little more. Not to worried about it 🙂

[radiant sky]

Lending system for plots gona be implemented already in the Alpha?

[hoary forge]

your doing great. you get us a nice beautiful game. you and the team. 🤝

[noble drum]

yea i think you are correct in this statement. ILV holders will get 95% of fuel sales revenue PLUS all the revenue from the other streams of income.

[thin wolf]

Most likeley outsourced to 3rd party "Cough" Polemos "Cough"

[little moon]

Right so 95% of fuel and 100% of everything else

[sage inlet]

No, lol, hahaha - good one, tho 🙂

[radiant sky]

Ah i See... Never heared bout that. Always thought ilv implement it by themself

[radiant sky]

😂 im not into coding, sounds pretty easy to handle to me... But obviously i'm wrong

[thin wolf]

you just tell the computer what to do and it does it...simple.

[sage inlet]

im not into coding - oh dear =/

[noble drum]

right. so i think the way it works is that for example, if the land owners generate say 5 fuel pods (or whatever they will be called), the DAO will magicially create 95 fuel pods and sell them along side what the land owners created. thus the DAO will be getting 95% of the money of all the fuel sold

[sage inlet]

Damn! That is exactly how I wish the world worked.

[little moon]

Right so in the big picture our 5% is only 5% of what ever revenue is produced in fuel.. so again:
$1000 revenue.
$100 in fuel.
$5 for us at 5%
$995 for them
Which means we are getting 0.5% of total revenue.
If we made 10% we would still only be at 1% of their total revenue.
Obviously this is an example and not real numbers . If fuel is higher % of total revenue the numbers would be different. But our 5% would never be an actual 5% or total revenue unless fuel is the only income and I don’t think the Ilv holders are looking at it that way before yelling NoNoNo lol

[sage inlet]

Wow, that's... 1 thing trying to be another thing 😄

Should be quite a broad alpha..

[thin wolf]

like one for each landowner...

[noble drum]

yep agreed. teh question is how much of ILV revenue will be from fuel. i would think your example of 10% is quite low. but is it 50%? 75%? i dont know. either way your thoughts are correct as far as i see

[sage inlet]

To me, it would be fair if each land owner got an alpha invite.

[umbral hull]

makeawesomegame.exe

[sage inlet]

But - there's nothing spectacular in Alpha - it won't blend into Beta or Production

[thin wolf]

one last thing,if you were completely alone and no one was listening what is the one thing you would leak that no one knew about?😬

[sage inlet]

You will get everything promised in production - it's just taking longer than expected to thrash it all out & get it JUST - SO.

Fun fact: Software Engineering is hard AF

[mystic umbra]

So is it not one thing in particular that is holding the alpha up it is more of an underestimation of the workload?

[sage inlet]

The fact that I think open-backed headphones with higher-voltage drivers sound better than closed back headphones with less 'push'.

[hearty cradle]

megacity and fuel transfer in alpha?

[thin wolf]

Goddamn it! i should have been more spesific..Awesome alpha on the Higher voltage headphone thing.

[mystic umbra]

Megacity I do not think is in the cards for alpha but I could mistaken

[hearty cradle]

fuel transfer at least?

[sage inlet]

It's more about the driver cone width, but that's also about how hard you can push any given cone.

[hearty cradle]

septemberrrrrrrr

[rancid lion]

October 1st IZ alpha confirmed

[little moon]

Will alpha be pc only? And if it is on mobile will it be an app or through something like the metamask app

[sage inlet]

width => diameter => Pi X r x r, lol

[hearty cradle]

30th september 23:59

[rancid lion]

timezone?

[hearty cradle]

Sydney zone

[thin wolf]

The driver cone was my next question and how that was solved?

[sage inlet]

Absolutely no idea - but Bowers & Wilkins make fantastic headphones.

I sound like I'm selling them.

I'm not.

They're just very good IMHO.

[little moon]

I agree it was just easy math, I may or may not be driving 😏 so was trying to keep it simple for myself

[hearty cradle]

why are we talking about cones

[sage inlet]

They are my weapon of choice.

[hearty cradle]

u know cone head?

A

[sour cosmos]

When is zero being Launched

[hearty cradle]

scroll uo

Up

[sage inlet]

This guy understands the basis of the game, how procedures are proceding, and summed it up into a single quastion.

[thin wolf]

I have the Steelseries Arctis Pro wireless which is probabley one of the best ones i have had. havent tried B&W

[sly summit]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-wow-yay-omg-really-gif-15731645

[sour cosmos]

So what’s the answer lol

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-gif-26442173

😃

[cyan dew]

When do we get iz? I thought 3 weeks after landsale 🤣 🤣 🤣

[hearty cradle]

someone is not paying attention

[sage inlet]

Yes, I also use a computer mouse to listen to music.

[hearty cradle]

lol

[thin wolf]

[cyan dew]

Is it confirmed?

[hearty cradle]

does B&W have mic? I dnt think so

whoa dnt put that on me man

[thin wolf]

Al said September higher up.

[hearty cradle]

im just saying september has 30 days

[sage inlet]

Bowers & Wilkins make speakers... I haven't seen them make microphones.

[thin wolf]

Headphones?

be gentle..

[hearty cradle]

End of sep is like 7 weeks

49 days

[sage inlet]

Also yes 🙂 I have some P9's that I run through an Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt

[hearty cradle]

1,176 hours

i will be counting

[sly summit]

Minutes? Seconds? Years?

[hearty cradle]

[sly summit]

Send a message every hour counting down

[hearty cradle]

is he breathing down ur neck

[thin wolf]

lets not make this weird,they wont play with us then.

[sage inlet]

I would never say that in a public space

[hearty cradle]

addy helps

its a sprint

unsuscribe netflix

dont touch grass

[rancid lion]

what percentage of core contributors own land?

or will play Illuvium haha

[sage inlet]

All of them, I'd guess

[whole spear]

oh snap

lol

Al never dates

haahaha

[sage inlet]

I don't need to date - my GF would be like, waaah?

[whole spear]

At least these apes have something to look forward to

[mystic umbra]

We prefer the term primate

[sage inlet]

At this point Rich | Illuvium exchanged places with Al | Illuvium

[mystic umbra]

Lmao

[sage inlet]

Look up your tickets and look at the clock, Al.

[whole spear]

Looking now

Dont forget

Hawaii is the last time zone

so September isnt over until its over in hawaii

[sage inlet]

Why U So Behind On Ticket?

[whole spear]

I'm sorry ser

[dry mango]

lol

[whole spear]

I will go back to coding cave

[sage inlet]

You suck, Rich - you're just a bad programmer.

[thin wolf]

pretty sure we need that in Higher res...

[sage inlet]

Pretty sure I did that on purpose 😛

[rancid lion]

was gonna say where'd you take that screenshot from, up in a tree?

that could just be scores to Kieran's team

I have to say team because I still haven't figured out what sport that's for

[sage inlet]

It's actually my sprint task progress - in "Blob" form.

[mystic umbra]

Sprint task

[sage inlet]

..and then the weekend happened.

Take care & chat soon ❤️

[worn scaffold]

GL HF xD

[cyan bone]

No need to wonder about the above, Al is doing a ton of the heavy lifting when it comes to importing the uplifted assets, adding a ton of detail when it comes to technical documentation as well as increasing the flexibility of the Unity Editor and more..

[worn scaffold]

Thanks again for your input, enjoy your weekend!

[thin wolf]

ofcourse we wonder on the above😆

[thin wolf]

is the official stance to release Alpha ILZ in September?

[cyan bone]

To be completely transparent, yes we're feeling confident about September

I'd give my left arm if it meant we could get it to Public Alpha users sooner

[thin wolf]

are you left handed or right handed?

[cyan bone]

Right handed 😆

[thin wolf]

Well..

[cyan bone]

I'd give both my arms if it meant we could get it to you sooner

[thin wolf]

do you need hands to do your job?

[cyan bone]

Yes

I'd give both my arms, and lose my job if it meant getting IZ to Public Alpha users sooner**

[thin wolf]

Can you learn to use other body part to perform your job?

[cyan bone]

ha ha, not so much - I think I'd be in strife

We are very close, each sprint the team are knocking out an array of asset imports, bug fixes or system changes that support the future product

[mystic umbra]

What is a sprint

[thin wolf]

On a more serious note,i really appreciate you guys coming in here and answering all of our (sometime idiotic) questions. and what we have seen so far looks amazing and can not wait to play it when it comes.

[thin wolf]

where you go faster than walking speed?

[cyan bone]

A measurement of time in agile project management, basically we have a strict scope to deliver for each 2 week period

Press shift to sprint?

[thin wolf]

ahh so sprint is a thing in PM

[mystic umbra]

Makes much more sense to me now

[mystic umbra]

Well that was how I understood it but it seemed like they were using a sprint as a unit of measurement

[whole spear]

AHHHHHH

just everyone flying around willy nilly givin dates now eh

I see how it is

Ok

[thin wolf]

Not our doing...

[whole spear]

lol

totally your fault

No more questions

ever

[cyan bone]

I saw Al had already spoken about it @whole spear

Don't slap me

[whole spear]

I know

hahah

I'm just gonna remind you in the product update meetings in 2 weeks lol

[thin wolf]

You know there will be a Gif with a count down now...