💥〕leaks-discussion

[gusty kiln]

Taking leak suggestions but I'm leaning spore

[valid anchor]

Well I suggest poison because its overpowered in every game lol

[rigid cypress]

Spore is solid

[junior thunder]

any leak is good leak

[valid anchor]

exactly xd

[somber steeple]

Spore sounds cool

[gusty kiln]

Locking in spore then!

[rigid cypress]

SPORE

[valid anchor]

spore

[brazen vale]

gogo spore

[last minnow]

Sporeee

🤣

[somber steeple]

Friday hype!!🔥🔥

[rigid cypress]

@gusty kiln

[violet smelt]

There we go

[gusty kiln]

Ooh - interesting one! ty!

[valid anchor]

nice thank u

[lunar hill]

Oh man, the complexity is so cool

[somber steeple]

Daaamn cool

[somber steeple]

was just about to say

[lunar hill]

Such neat interactions

[violet smelt]

Learning all this will give me a headache, but worth it xD

[junior thunder]

My weekend is complete

[somber steeple]

shit i think there is a risk i will frie my brain while theorycrafting these synergies when its live

[valid anchor]

gonna create a discord for an overview I think lol

[rigid cypress]

It's complex but isn't as bad as you think. In honour of @gusty kiln's fine choice I'll give a little detail

So each base affinity does something. So for example - Air is all about agility (which gives dodge - which causes attacks against that Illuvial to have a % chance to just entirely miss and do nothing)

[lunar hill]

Some complexity is good. Creates more strategic uses and so many more possibilities...

[rigid cypress]

So each of the secondary affinities that have Air as a component - do something on dodge.

Which then scales with Air count.

Nature -> recovers health.

[last minnow]

Yeah seems very complexe to have an harmonious team

Don't know if that s the correct word

[valid anchor]

So the picture u provided can u see which synergies belong to what?

[rigid cypress]

And then each affinity has it's own 'thing' some of the community might remember when I held a little word association session in the voice chat a few months back

[violet smelt]

Cant wait to own one of these nfts

[ebon salmon]

Yea spore looks so BAASED lol healing after dodging? YES please. Going to prob be a bit broken...

[violet smelt]

Balance is key @ebon salmon

[rigid cypress]

So Spore had various associations with infection, and weakening. Which shaped the identity.

So think if you kick a wild fungus -> spores come out.

So on death -> out come the spores.

[gusty kiln]

Probably not the correct place to ask - and ofc there's little known outside of devs - but is there a concern about dodge being too oppressive similar to early DAC days with elves if you're familiar? Especially with additional effects after dodge

[rigid cypress]

One of the design challenges of autobattlers is power begets power. So spore acts as a fantastic counter to higher power focus on a single attack based Illuvial.

[ebon salmon]

Yea but balance is an art not science... (prob wrong but sounds right lol)

[last minnow]

Damed I didn t expect it to be so complex 😂, that's so nice 😍🔥🔥

[rigid cypress]

bit of both!

[somber steeple]

not necessarily, if your climbing like an adventure tower that is free to join and have unlimited tries on hard lneups, yes dodge is already overpowered as it is.

but if its important fights thats maybe 1-2 rounds and pretty short, its a whole different ball-game and probably rely on more RNG to be successful

[violet smelt]

Playtesting will be very importing with this system, so many combinations and potential broken outcomes.

[rigid cypress]

For sure, but for example -> we have built in tools to avoid that. So there are Enhancements that cause attacks to be more accurate, and there is an effect called 'True Sight' that causes the effected character's attacks to never miss.

The numbers themselves will get tweaked as the game progresses and playtesting reveals the OP's and the problem children. But generally my design philosophy for strategy is give tools in both directions.

[ebon salmon]

Ok i realize we will need to optimize for different situations but I really like the Spore synergy and will probably be looking at building some strats around maxing its potential.

[gusty kiln]

ah, good to know - ty! multiple ways to get around dodge sounds way healthier

[somber steeple]

usually builds are broken until ppl figure out how to counter it

[valid anchor]

yea thats true but at one point there is always a meta

[rigid cypress]

Thanks for playing all, have a great weekend! Will do again next week!

[valid anchor]

thank you you too and can't wait 🙂

[upper light]

Holy spore frontline! Thanks Ben!

I picked a bad time to walk to dog F

[last minnow]

Why is there 2) 3) 4) with different stats ?
Is it linked with the stage 1,2,3 of iluvials ?

[rigid cypress]

No it's the number of that affinity. So if you have 2,3 or 4 spore you get that.

If you just have 1 spore, you just get the initial effect. So the dodge and heal on dodge.

[ebon salmon]

I think the early meta will be hilarious looking back... we will be mostly using whatever we can jerry rig and it will be so funny to see the trends change and evolve.

[last minnow]

Ahhhh okok thanks
And having 1, 2, 3 or 4 spore IS just depending of Luck when we catch the illuvial or can we upgrade it ? 👀😁

[rigid cypress]

Each Illuvial has a class/affinity. They're locked so if you get a Rhamphyre, it's always going to be inferno. (At least in this set) we might release a water Rhamphyre for example in a later set.

[last minnow]

Oh ok I think I misunderstood 😆🙈

I confused with synergy levels 😅

So the synergy levels are depending of luck or could we upgrade them ?

Or maybe it only depends of the kind of iluvial and each iluvial of thé same kind would have same synergy levels 😅

[rigid cypress]

Synergy is what you get when you play something to the board. Based on the affinity and the class of the character you place. It's something you can get better versions of by placing more of those affinity/classes to the board. But isn't something you control via the NFT's you own.

So if I play an Earth Illuvial to the board, I get an Earth Synergy of 1.

Play two different Earth Illuvials, I get an Earth Synergy of 2.

Play a spore? My Air, Nature and Spore synergy count goes up by one in each of those.

[bleak trout]

Remind me of Dota :v

[last minnow]

Ohhh okk i see, thanks for your answer Ben, much clearer now 👌😁

[bleak holly]

@rigid cypress Is there a distinction between attack damage from autoattacks vs the damage from Omega abilities? Is it like spell damage or something?

Also very glad to hear about true strike. Was hoping it was included as soon as I saw a dodge stat.

[copper mauve]

Lets do challenge when cbt1 is out. Whoever get the highest score win.

[steady crag]

Will that erase the uniqueness of lynx?

[hollow bobcat]

What's the uniqueness of a Lynx?

[cunning grail]

wen roadrunner

[next harbor]

Oooh so there are synergies that count for other synergies as well! These ones can be easily OP but at the same time it can create infinite combinations of team comps

[hollow bobcat]

True! Big brain moment bound to hurt hehehe

[next harbor]

Yeah, this is super cool! It reminds me a bit of the triple synergy units from TFT but this is even more than that. Can't wait to have my hands on!

[copper mauve]

Same here, looks fun to theorycraft.

I wanna see slayer synergy effect, and inferno.

[lunar hill]

Axodon is ready to go toe to toe with some opponents! Love the new chain attacks 😁

[copper mauve]

Sick animation as always

[lethal pulsar]

yeah, those attack animations are nice indeed

[next harbor]

Great animations, does the damage remain the same or it is dealing more damage at the 3rd attack like a combo?

[lean dragon]

Wow. That animation and chain attacks are so smooth

[thick gull]

https://c.tenor.com/_zm0eCGh-PQAAAAM/taekook-taekook-sing.gif

Most auto battler I've played does have repetitive attack animation. It's good to see this game went extra miles. Can't wait for open beta

[muted blaze]

When I see new updates, joy takes over me, but it's the fact that you listen to the community and implement what they ask is what makes it truly spectacular. (to the ones who said attacks were repetitive, there you go) 😄

[dusky quiver]

Dear lord that's epic!!

[ember steeple]

gorgeous! the water effects even with the simple punches!

[junior thunder]

omg！

The chained attack is awesome!

[stone aurora]

Its the same Damage, but it can be a crit based on your Cc % . A Crit with the value will pop up on top of the character when it happens

This is the main focus that we have at the moment with the animation team, Creating all the Attack sequences, and that will look a lot better than just a Basic attack + a critical.

[dusky quiver]

Honestly amazing job, can't wait to experience it on all the Illuvials!

[stone aurora]

Its coming !!

[light moat]

Saw last Grant's video, just wonderfull

[vivid sonnet]

really loving the subtle hints of elements in that last video. little drops of water splashing about. Its not too much but also just enough so you can really feel that this creature is a water type

[next harbor]

Great, in TFT they have a different animation when the units crits (+ the crit value popping as well) and that looks already good. Since here they are more "monsters" than humans, it feels lievelier to see combo attacks like shown

[light moat]

It looks just beatifull

high quality

[copper mauve]

The chain attack looks so smooth

[light moat]

yes, the strikes are very well chained and smooth, very natural looking, even the body balance when atacking. TOP!

[cosmic swan]

Wonderful work guys! Those chain attacks are 🔥💯

[lethal pulsar]

monkey king bar

[worn sparrow]

Is there a way to only see content in the character-leak channel ?

[lunar hill]

Not sure I understand the question? Character leak channel can only be posted in by CCs...

[worn sparrow]

Is there a way just to see leak content in this channel ? like not see our discution

[stone aurora]

#🚰〕leaks

[worn sparrow]

wow yeah I was just not in the right channel... Thanks Alex

[autumn hollow]

Yo! Those attach chains looks soooo smooth

[last minnow]

Yeah, looking amazing

[tall spoke]

wow amazing the chain attack!

[light moat]

I want more!

https://tenor.com/view/more-i-want-more-give-me-more-gimme-more-more-please-gif-4808376

[copper mauve]

I want synergy leaks

Waiting for ben

[lunar hill]

I think you'll be waiting a week! I think he said he'll do it Fridays

[copper mauve]

Rip

[dusky quiver]

He leaked some yesterday #🚰〕leaks

[copper mauve]

Yeah, the spore right?

[dusky quiver]

And air nature

[copper mauve]

I kinda have an idea how to counter that.

[copper mauve]

Yeah saw that as well

[granite musk]

TFT actually does not have this.

[dusky quiver]

But we do now 💪

[granite musk]

We do listen to the community, but actually this system was designed by Alex and I more than 5 months ago. We just didn’t have time to implement it until after the trailer.

This has been part of the plan literally since after the public sale. 🙂

[muted blaze]

Oh cool. I said it because Grant said “Repetitive fighting style was mentioned in The Trailer” 😄 I am fully 100% aware that you ILV takes community’s comments into account 🙏 that's why it's the best there is

[light moat]

Yes, ive tried another games communitis and is pretty boring all the time the same questions and no feedback, no communication, no leaks, and of course dont listen much to the users

[west monolith]

Somebody played Ark ))

[light moat]

so Illuvium is the best I've seen in all aspects

[granite musk]

Yep. We were aware of it just like you guys.

[next harbor]

Yeah TFT doesn't have that combo animation but they do have a specific animation when the unit crits. What I'm saying is the last character leak was refreshing to see because that combo animation is new and fits very well these little monsters

[light moat]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-family-road-trip-vacation-the-simpsons-gif-12392645

[glossy horizon]

Why are Grant and Aaron awake.. it's 3:45am 😂. I got home from a night out to recent posts from both of them! #dedication

[light moat]

They are older than they think and need to go to WC lol

There you have what Grant is doing, throwing more leaks!

Every little piece is soooo beautifull!

Dodo, pangolin...all of them

Grant has taken the Von newman role again!

[old sierra]

Being totally honest, I took a couple weeks off this month and haven't put any crazy hours in but I'm ramping back up to it and my contribution will come in waves. Aaron has been grinding non stop, it's crazy

[light moat]

You deserved it for sure

[muted blaze]

@light moat leaks coming in hot from now on 😄

[light moat]

YUP!!!!

back to old days before trailer

I usually see all the discord stuff on my mobile, but today im at my desktop and it looks just amazing in a 27" screen too

[muted blaze]

Did you just tried to let me know you have. 27” screen just to burn me? 😄

[light moat]

mmmm no Bro! I find my monitor to be quiet common nowadays

[muted blaze]

Guess I need one too then

[light moat]

If I told you I watched the trailer in my homecinema with 11 speakers channel system and a 120" screen with JVC Projector....then I would give you the reason im trying to burn you hahahaha

[muted blaze]

Consider me burned 😄

[light moat]

( in fact I did)

[dusk flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814318329430540298/914138304046313483/Axolotl_Stage2_Stage3__AttackSequence_VFX.mp4

The water drops are such a cool extra effect. Adds so much to the battle

[light moat]

Yes, its just amazing

Imagine now all the battlefiled full of Illuvials with such cool effects. Its not going to look so static as in the trailer anymore

[ashen patio]

Is this leak Kukka? Looks outrageous 🤩. Must have.

[dusky quiver]

Did you see the attack animation it has! Hilarious 😆, throws out a tornado and hides in a bubble shield like nah I'm good back here

[forest fern]

Man those trees are huge! Can't wait to see that terror bird evolving into a beast.

[open dagger]

Awesome stuff this week as well. I can't wait to see the world for myself.

[round igloo]

👀

[dusky quiver]

We battle on the board too!

[round igloo]

I didnt know we can put 3 hunter or its just there for testing? And its 0 cost

[dusky quiver]

Probably testing

[round igloo]

Wait thats the tier

[dusky quiver]

Our journey will be from 0 to hero

[round igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-hercules-archer-gif-5794607

[prisma glen]

Loving all the sound FX from the recent leaks, game is going to feel so polished when it all comes together

[safe wolf]

New favorite Cute Illuvial is the Pangolin ❤️

[dense breach]

How does one get credits?

[copper mauve]

Dodo is cute

[ashen patio]

I haven’t! I gotta see it.

[thick gull]

What credits?

[main bane]

can't wait for the scoriox...i think i'lll mostly be making armour for sale

[dense breach]

@thick gull they seem to be an in-game currency( which I assumed was silv). Perhaps used to speed up building processes? etc

[old sierra]

definitely place holder.
All the NFT art will be polished in the end like the NFT art we have been releasing

[copper mauve]

Nice

[modern salmon]

the chain attacks definitely alleviate some of the issues of looking repetitive. I also wonder if it might be good to make each attack random in sequence and also with different time delays to even make it look less repetitive.

Also, it would be cool to see them in a defensive posture or showing them getting hit and being drained of energy. I think this would also create more dynamism. Sorry if this has all been addressed already. Just wanted to provide constructive feedback. Loving how everything looks!

[copper mauve]

Different time delay might not be a good idea. There will be more rng in the competitive side.
Randomize the sequence could make it looks less smooth IMO.
There taunt, faint, and lazy animation.

[round igloo]

Waiting for poodle moth leaks

[stoic rune]

alright, the dodo is pretty cute i admit

[loud hare]

Some damn smooth attack animations

[edgy abyss]

I think I have to prepare stereo set too not just new pc

[dusky quiver]

Right!? Have you heard the zone music yet?

[gray path]

yeah sound is exorbitant in the game, as well as anything else

[torpid acorn]

Ooooh this is awesome! Ah, this really is the same level of excitement I had for the original Pokemon, in terms of wanting to find and collect all my favourites!

[gentle tusk]

Atlas > everything 😄

[hazy arch]

HOLY MOTHBALLS! 😱

Anytime I see a new Illuvial I can’t help hear this song 🤦🏼‍♀️🌟😜

[bleak holly]

But the illuvians can evolves..?

[light moat]

Yes

They have 3 different stages

[dusky quiver]

Yes

[bleak holly]

How can i play this game...?
I need to buy Illuvim cripto..?
or i need to ricevet invite from the illuvim company for play this game whene is come out..?
I really love RPG...
So I'm very excited to see this world!!

[muted blaze]

!read this 👇 and the game will launch late Q1 2022

[tawdry coral]

Some important sources of information that everyone interested in and/or new to Illuvium should take a careful look at are:

https://docs.illuvium.io/
https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be
https://medium.com/illuvium/28-everything-you-need-to-know-about-staking-ilv-6669594b2fac
https://medium.com/illuvium/29-governance-yield-farming-and-vault-distribution-faq-7327ae7eb507

[dusky quiver]

Game is free to play, like Arash said ^ it launches early next year and all those links above is everything to learn about the game

[bleak holly]

And how can I have the Nft o the rare illuvians..?

[dusky quiver]

Catch them in game, like Pokemon

[bleak holly]

And after I can sell in market page..?

😍 Wawoooooooo I want too play now.... I can't wait.

[dusky quiver]

Yep!

[bleak holly]

This game can be like a work...?

I think is this the point right...?

[gray path]

the point is good game, but looks like it can be a full time job for some, like it is with Axie

[lean dragon]

IF you earn enough yea. I mean in the Philippines P2E games have been the main source of income of some people. Anyway, seems your line of questions are more suited to #💬〕general.

[marble bloom]

Hello ! Is there a list of all leaked in game mechanics ? Ressources, batiments on elluvium zero... ? 🙂 Thanks !

[muted blaze]

Guys watch out for DMs. They are scams and they impersonate ppl. Here's how to find out you are being scammed:

1). The Suffix (Illuvimod) and (Illuvium) are server based. Means they do not show in DMs. So if anyone like ( Arash | Illuvimod) DMed you, it's scam.

2. Also, most of our names are white listed. Meaning if anyone uses our names for their profile, they will be banned by bots. This means, there is always an inconsistency with the names.

3. For God sake click on the names and compare. Everyone has a unique ID.

4. Turn off your DMs so you wouldn't come to us saying you've been scammed.

5. Illuvium’s website is with (.io) not (.com)

6. Keep in mind scammers also use colored dots in their description to impersonate mods

7. they will always send you screenshots of mod’s profiles to fool you so you wouldn't click in names

If you still get scammed, then please blame it on yourself.

[silent jewel]

i do hope tier 5 lands goes 500eth each 😄

[lean dragon]

Wrong channel? #914732662609043456 or #🎮〕illuvium-zero ?

[silent jewel]

MB

[supple crescent]

[copper mauve]

Finally a leak

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-chuckle-you-gif-14521742

[dusk flare]

Atlas so mad in the leak. Wonder which girl hurt him

[main bane]

man definately going for an atlas...

[bleak holly]

Im SO PUMPED for these new attack animation sequences. They are going to give Illuvium so much more visual variability than other autobattlers.
Also thrilled to have von leakman back in action. Im glad you got your chance to take a rest but I would be lying if I said I didnt miss the consistent leaks.

[gray path]

whoa really pissed off cutie

[fiery wind]

The people on the animation team are fuckin' killing it with getting some weight behind those attacks

[lunar jungle]

Looks super good and super cute 🙂 The amount of details is so sick.. All those droplets splashing everywhere are sick!

[loud hare]

Atlas got that backflip move downpact

[dusk flare]

The quality on Atlas made the quality of the rocks in the playground look weak

[keen sundial]

Suffering from Quality Inflation!

[cunning grail]

Actually those rocks look a bit weird and unnatural to me.

[dusk flare]

I'm sure that's not the final product. But I just realised I haven't thought about the ground earlier until I saw Atlas close up with such high quality. It would be great to have more of a 3D ground. Like grass with some flowers/shrooms etc. Or make this rock arena more 3D with gravel and stones. Just something to match up with the Illuvials qualities

[light moat]

Sure there is room for cosmetic improvement, but first lets focus on important things get finished

[bleak holly]

Do they have skills?

[bronze pilot]

I really liked the more cute approach with Atlas just biting super carefully in the trailer xD "Mjam i hurt you"
I think this is a bit too brutish for a cute water creature.
Idk Amazing graphics though!

[light moat]

This little atlas is so cute... If they make plushies, they will sell like candys at school

[dusk flare]

I want a 3D printer just to make me cute decoration models of Atlas and other cuties

[junior thunder]

we need more Zero leaks~ please

[magic obsidian]

you got your request lol

these look insane! i love em. so hyped for illuvium

[night ledge]

@terse forge Nice work on IZ mate, sometimes that game doesn't get as much love as the main one, but everyone's contribution makes ILV what it really is

[junior thunder]

we need more of this

[magic obsidian]

yeah definitely- i think that zero will be one of the biggest parts for daos tho

like i think that eventually it would be scholars playing the zero game vs ilv in the beginning

[terse forge]

Many thanks mate!

[dusk flare]

https://tenor.com/view/new-russia-the-federation-russia-gif-22413792

I want to be Russian from now on

[untold saddle]

it looks amazing, what the team put together in such a short time is unbelievable!

[night ledge]

I love how much Grant always hypes up all of his team.

It can be surprising to see how far a little bit of appreciation & acknowledgement goes, everyone is a lot happier & driven to work for the project

[lunar hill]

Getting really strong Supreme Commander vibes from Zero. I really hope it does evolve into some sort of RTS. I remember Aaron talking about Total Annihilation with Zyonik (I think). I used to play the shit out of RTS games. It would be a really cool thing to see it evolve into that

[junior thunder]

Those buildings looks really cool in motion

Reminds me when you finish a construction in starcraft

bring back the memories, love your work

[lunar hill]

Yeah it's got some cool nostalgia vibes going

[lethal pulsar]

watch CCs mess around and create a game bigger than a "mini" game

[round igloo]

looks like a protoss base

[night ledge]

I think IZ will eventually become a lot more than a mini game, just needs some time

[old sierra]

TA is in all 4 of our brothers top 3 games ever.
It was the first game all 4 of us played against eachother on PC

I still think it has the best cinematic ever for raw chills

[night ledge]

That game was out before i was even born rip

[junior thunder]

Total Annihilation?

[old sierra]

If IZ evolves into a RTS?
When bro, when lol

[dense solar]

i played this on LAN with my buddies since i was 11 or something 😂

[junior thunder]

oh bro, I'm gonna start drafting the IIP now

[old sierra]

We just gotta nail this release then all doors are open

[desert depot]

I’m going to enjoy this game, next @terse forge have to work on a RTS like total annihilation / Starcraft that’s going to be awesome ! 😈😈😈

[dusk flare]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fat-sink-sink-facewashing-haha-gif-16715243

When they release new leaks

[muted blaze]

please....I have nightmares of the word "WHEN" 😦

[old sierra]

Lol

[junior thunder]

I still can't believe, IZ only got approved in Aug, and you guys are actually doing it

[old sierra]

I'd hate to see the community become overly impatient 🤣

[muted blaze]

you just headshot me 😄

[old sierra]

Haha

[desert depot]

Ok just noticed you have total annihilation mind … incredible ….

I spent so much time on this game … not as much as Starcraft 2 though ….

[night ledge]

What im excited about are the developments after launch in 2022, when the team have a lot more revdis coming through and how they would scale if the game was successful

They aren't afraid of using their funds, i can only imagine the possibilities

[old sierra]

Imo Supreme Commander was just as good

[desert depot]

I think there was too many bugs in my hacked versions 😦 the design was crazy though

[old sierra]

Well it's very hard to spend tons and not waste it so I'm sure that will ramp up as Aaron is sure we're on the right track, long term

[desert depot]

The main issue is going to onboard enough people to handle all the streams of dev …

[old sierra]

We have made mistakes there but I think we've shown an ability to admit them and try and fix

[night ledge]

I have to ask, how well will Iluvium's graphics translate onto mobile?

Do you think we would be able to have one of the best immersive mobile games going around ?

[desert depot]

At least it’s the right time to steal some blizzard’s folks …. Seems lots will be happy to leave …. 😹

[old sierra]

Contracts are hard man

[desert depot]

On scaling up the teams ?

[old sierra]

Spending incorrectly

[desert depot]

You mean on the contract themselves or you mean bringing talent into the crypto world ?

[old sierra]

Artists get locked into multi year contracts at major studios a lot of the time

It's like ufc

Our mentality is if you want to poach our artists, come and get them

[desert depot]

That will force the team to choose some battles, not all of them

[night ledge]

Kieran made a tweet about employee retention the other day : https://twitter.com/KieranWarwick/status/1463983240742465539

[light moat]

You are doing a great job team, just every aspect of the game seems to get a lot of love, therefore this sense of quality.
A M A Z I N G

[muted blaze]

More leaks plz. We never get tired 😄 Please, go on

[idle totem]

Todays IZ leaks looks awesome
When can we start playing, Kieran?

[junior thunder]

The best Monday 😆

[light moat]

Outstanding work man. There arent words to do justice to your work quality. You where the man in the shadows and now you deserve the community respect

[terse forge]

Many thanks mate😊

[spring shuttle]

Love the mushroom filled swamp art!

[lean dragon]

Wow... Two IIPs and a deluge of leaks.

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-today-was-a-good-day-good-day-happy-smile-gif-5173799

[true tapir]

Oh Boy I am getting the Starcraft 2 feeling as I saw these Landplots, anyone else?

[granite musk]

That is what Kukka fuses into.

[lunar hill]

We are now best friends... Lol. I played so many LAN parties with my buddies. I liked TA but liked SC better, especially the Forged Alliance expansion.

I love that all you guys are big fans of TA. Makes me excited for the future of ILVZ

[granite musk]

TA was how I learned how to code. I made a unit pack that was designed around stopping the 'always best strat' of peewee rush. It allowed the game to go a bit longer and I felt it was more fun. It was also (I think) the first time Grant started modelling. We used Rhino3d.

[desert depot]

Unit packs were so fun

[lunar hill]

Oh man, brings back so many memories. I would download different AI packs to try and stop the rush tactics too. I didn't delve into coding, glad you did though lol. I def spent many more hours in SC but still really enjoyed TA. I never play RTS these days, the odd few times I've tried to pick up ones now it's not the same.

Some of those several hour LAN parties were some good times

[granite musk]

You might have downloaded one of my packs! The main option was a 'flower' turret that would heal fast, but had low health. It could not get rushed by peewees easily, and it would do enough damage to take out one peewee per missile. But when it came up against tanks and better units it would die. So it allowed for some new options. If you built them, then a rush to tanks might be the best. But if the person didn't scout and just sent peewees it would be a waste.

that pack got some good reviews.

[lunar hill]

Man, that would be a trip. I'd have to re-read the names of them again to try jog my memory. But what a small world we live in if I randomly downloaded one of your packs and then stumbled upon the game you're developing 15 years later.

[granite musk]

Hopefully you download many of our games in time.

[lunar hill]

I don't doubt it! 😁

[stuck radish]

There's so much

https://tenor.com/view/excited-jizz-gif-13405529

RTX 3070?

[lusty tundra]

With Illuvials as units and arlen as hero on a faction. Dang please make it happen in the future. Im a big fan of RTS games. Lol. Or like a Clash of Clans, Clash of Illuvials.

[flint wharf]

Excellent work! Quality AND quantity! Really impressive. I only hope my fuel extractors produce as well as you. 😉

[terse forge]

Haha, appreciate it mate😊

[potent thistle]

Красавчик!

[terse forge]

Спасиб😊

[sly snow]

LOL my thought when I first saw this too 😂

[stuck radish]

Haha great minds think alike

[granite musk]

I've actually started a design on this (when I need a break from the main game) and it's very much not what you think. But also I think it will make sense if we ever get to do it.

[copper mauve]

Same here, big fan of RTS game. What about MMORTS? But will be very heavy to run.

With pvp such as

• Battle Royale RTS
• Siege RTS
• Duel RTS
• GvGvG

[mint silo]

Personally would love to see if they can out do CDPR or Bioware on a single player/rpg /romance game like mass effect /Dragon age /Witcher

[lusty tundra]

Already glad that it’s on your radar to make it happen. No pressure, no rush. Focus on our Open World TFT first. I like what Grant said, IZ evolves to an RTS game of Illuvium. You could already use those buildings as part of the RTS game. And then just add the illuvials as units to produce using the resources mined on the land. Then Arlen as the hero of the clan/faction. It’s a solid idea. I’ll be more bullish If Illuvium gets an RTS game in the future.

If you could do more than like the “ Clash of Clans “ game and have it like “ Warcraft III “ as an inspiration, why not! Either of those two I’m still down. Knowing Illuvium Open World TFT is there to back-up these games. It already has a name and peeps from TFT will go play RTS right away.

[granite musk]

I would like to say that while this idea is good, it's a bit obvious. My idea, like many, is the sort of thing that you will say and say "I don't like that" and then in a month you will say "Actually I like that".

At least that is the plan.

[stoic rune]

dating sim confirmed

excited to see the swamp biome in all its glory!

[woven magnet]

Can someone help me understand this better?

If you have 2 spore type Illuvials you get 40% Attack damage reduction plus 5% dodge chance and 45 health recovery per air or nature type Illuvials on the baord?

[silent jewel]

those are some cool sht right there. the vibe of playing an RTS games are really growing. BZ ❤️

[copper mauve]

Yes, extra 5% dodge for every air and extra 45 heal for every nature

Only the spore illuvials got the buff, i think 1 spore is enough to get air and nature buff

[woven magnet]

Ah k cool thank you!

[loud hare]

Loving the leaks, looks fucking sick, so keen to get in game with both games, team is doing amazing!

[granite musk]

If you faint, your vanquisher (the one who finally made you faint) gets reduced attack damage based on how many Spore you have on the board.

In addition to this you gain AGILITY (dodge chance) based on how many air stacks you have, and you gain health recovery based on how many nature you have.

[woven magnet]

Well laid out thanks!

I'm looking forward to playing this. I like the extra bonuses you can get from different affinities. You are going to need quite the memory to get good at this game haha

[chilly parcel]

thats what auto battlers are about. In the beginning of tft people used to have another screen just for the classes

[granite musk]

The idea is that you can just play stuff and it will be fun. But to get good you have to know stuff.

And to get expert you need to be able to react in the moment.

[woven magnet]

Have there been previous leaks or any new ones you can give on how long you will have to pick your illuvials during the initial battle setup?

I'm guessing it will be player 1 picks one player 2 picks two player 1 picks two and so on snake draft style so everyone gets to counter each other?

[granite musk]

It will be about 15 seconds to make your choice. And yeah, we might use a staggered approach. We will try many things.

[woven magnet]

Thanks!

[copper mauve]

Staggered approach will takes quite some time.

Number of pick might not be possible to implement right? It depend on what illuvial they board (control point)

Any thought to implement 2v2? Maybe with bigger board

[woven magnet]

Yeah but you have to do some sort of staggering or there will be no counter picking strategy

[copper mauve]

Maybe both player can't see whats the other player board. It will be mind game.

[woven magnet]

Yeah but that's not counter plays thats just picking something in hopes that you pick the right thing.

[copper mauve]

It is hard if both player can see each other boarding. They will keep changing their board till the last second.
We can counter in the next round. Its HP based so you won't after after losing 1 round.

[woven magnet]

I don't see what is so bad about alternating picks to have counter pick strategy. I would assume there will be a max character amount approx the same as TFT 8-12.

If you go by the Illuvium trailer which they made sound like its a later game battle then it appears to be about 5-6 each side. That's 2.5-6 minutes tops. It usually takes that long to do the pick/ban phase and enter a league of legends match.

If you do it snake style like i said you could get people doing 2 picks in 15-20 seconds which would probably decrease the time down to 1-3 minutes

I think as you start picking and figuring out your strategy you probably won't even notice how long it takes

[copper mauve]

I mean the picking part is hard. What if the guy just have enough for 1 summon (high control point illuvial)

[woven magnet]

Then i would assume that would be a pretty easy match for you to win as they are making the choice to show you their hand early.

[copper mauve]

I don't know the full detail of the system yet. Thus i don't know whether that tactic is good or not.

It must be tested first

In your idea, is it possible to skip summon?

[flat rose]

Ben shared a thing awhile back about how the ranked play should work. It’s pinned in #💬〕general actually a couple of posts.

[dusk flare]

I both like and don't like the talk of RTS and Clash of Clans look a like games. As one of the OG's as a professional Clash of Clans tournament players my life will get ruined if Illuvium releases an RTS game. I've put way too much time on that in my passed 😂 Don't get me wrong, I love the idea

[copper mauve]

From ben? I couldn't find it.

[flat rose]

From like may or something. Very old.

[copper mauve]

I will wait for the detail of the ranked system i guess

Maybe aaron will tell us in next devlog. Most likely he will just talk about survival mode tho.

[woven magnet]

I would say no because the whole point of the initial setup would be to create an even first match. But like you said we don't know how it will work yet so no way to know.

If i were to give an example

P1, P2, P2, P1, P1, P2, P2, P1, P1, P2, P2

In this example P1 pick 4 low control point illuvials to start and then one high control point illuvial at the end. P2 mainly picked average control point illuvials and therefore managed to get 6.

[flat rose]

#💬〕general message the two oldest pins in #💬〕general it seems

[woven magnet]

After you do this you could also choose to stup multiple other options to mess with it. You could do one more blind pick round after the snake draft where both players get to swap out 1 illuvial if they wish.

But i think there has to be some sort of fair setup to launch the game as it forces you to think about counter picking. If you just do it like you said where its just mind games you pick at the same time or blind pick then it's just leaving it way too much up to luck

[copper mauve]

This system could be 1 sided. Whether it give advantage to the first pick, or maybe the second pick.

In LoL, the team that lose mostly choose first pick (blue side). Its 1 sided.

[woven magnet]

How could it be one sided?

It's just for the start

you have to do something

What do you suggest?

[copper mauve]

In LoL, first pick mean you could take out your opponent ace card. In illuvium the second pick might be beneficial since he can counter the first pick.

[flat rose]

The pick system is tricky to start fair. Maybe the first placement for both is blind. And the player that played the lowest power score or plays the slowest goes next.

[flat rose]

That’s why first play is a bluff

[woven magnet]

Yeah but then the first person gets to counter pick their other pick?

That's why its a snake draft

[copper mauve]

Maybe the one who win the round must first pick. Which give advantage to the loser.

[flat rose]

And blind enhancement play is done to make a significant change to the board

[flat rose]

Yeah

[copper mauve]

It needs to be tested i think.

Its not just about counter picking. Its about synergy as well. And hyper and many factors.

[woven magnet]

Yeah and that's why using LOL counter picks imo isnt a good example of first pick losing

There are too many options so it's not like they are just going to solely focus on the counter pick

maybe p2 first 2 picks are. synergy for them

that would allow pick 2 and 3 for player 1 to be a counter and synergy pick

if they choose

[copper mauve]

This system could also make entire counter game.

[woven magnet]

Not really, you still need to synergize if people only focus on counter picking they will get beat by people who are both counter picking and synergizing

Anyway that's enough speculation on this for me i am sure we will see more info on this soon enough

[rigid cypress]

dingdingding! Placement is blind per round. But then you have a round to place your enhancements. then battle starts. And in the next round you know what they placed so you can react.

[mint silo]

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-this-is-the-way-gif-21058271

I was hoping it was going to be this . Doing the whole put one down at time sounds very tedious and unfun.

@rigid cypress is every round separate can you use different illuvials round 2 so they cant react efficiently ?

[rigid cypress]

No you can't.

[mint silo]

@fiery turret do you place enhancements every round till someone wins ?

[rigid cypress]

I'll double check if we can leak this, and if I can. I'll post the battle flow on Friday.

[muted blaze]

OOOOFFFFF is that the fox you drew in 2 hours on Twitch @dense solar ?

[jovial sun]

Nine tailed fox ?

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dicaprio-maybe-gif-20413224

[jovial sun]

scary AF

[bleak trout]

Yep, Kurama

[main bane]

looks like an air type...if it's a fire type I'll be pissed😩

but if it's an air type would have pretty cool wind attacks

[oblique dawn]

I knew it looked like Kurama

[gray path]

with the covid lockdowns we all are sort of cavemen now

[dense solar]

😂 i guess so

[regal linden]

https://tenor.com/view/caveman-thats-the-way-i-think-im-a-cave-man-gif-12848646

[mint silo]

did somone call me ?😆

[edgy abyss]

Rasengan

[dusk flare]

The fox is taking a shit on the wall

[tight ermine]

wow is this new leak based on Kyūbi????

@regal linden ?

[gray path]

illuvials don't shit, they are delicate energy creatures

[ebon salmon]

@regal linden amazing work such an iconic aesthetic. Look forward to see more of you guys in the spotlight.

[regal linden]

Based on the design of Rogier 🙂

[regal linden]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[lean dragon]

Holy mind blown batman. Why am I seeing this only now. Deck building is so much fun!

[tight ermine]

@dense solar ???

[sterile ether]

have grant posted more videos of him building the Levithan arena?

[mint silo]

its what made MTG successful for close to 30 years .

[jovial sun]

where is the KAIN ape !!!

[lean dragon]

Im just surprised how the deck building elements with enhancements are a crucial part of the auto battler. It adds so much complexity

[undone escarp]

There is a ninetails fox too 😮

[tight ermine]

the apes are awesome @regal linden great work

[ebon salmon]

Are these things we will find inside the game?! Can’t wait to look under and over every rock lol

[tight ermine]

yes !

[dense solar]

Yeah they are used to bring the world to live, just like plants. They sell the world to you basicly 😄

take you in

[tight ermine]

this is definitely the most complete environment I have seen in any game 💙

[dense solar]

there are some games that do it insanely well tho

[tight ermine]

I'm sure I would just be happy to discover the world without playing anything

[dense solar]

but we do it our way and try the best we can

[tight ermine]

there are but I've never seen one that goes to so much detail.

[dense solar]

if ur into that sort of stuff i think God of War does it pretty well

[tight ermine]

like I nver cared about plants in games and I'm in love with all of them here

[dense solar]

we indeed are recreating everything

[copper mauve]

How will the control point system works?

• Do both players get the same amount or winner gets more?
• Is there deposit system like TFT?

While you are on it, can you leaks survival mode as well 😆 ?

[dense solar]

that is different from those type of games

but they set dress it really well make the world feel real sort of

we will try and make it unique

thats not seen in othergames before i guess 😮

[tight ermine]

@dense solar do you watch anime?

[dense solar]

i dont :X

[tight ermine]

where did you get the inspiration for the fox? is exactly like Kyūbi from Naruto 😮

[ionic mortar]

lmao, they look one on one @regal linden Great job!

[copper mauve]

I will gather all apes lol

The ape brothers

[mint silo]

Yes well as per a previous discussions i know they are going for toned down version of MTG but I am hoping there is at least some aspects of MTG involved as well rarity and collection matter and actually give some sort of advantage . My worst fear is that the Ranked game will be balanced to a point where setting up the illuvials board will be like setting up a chess board perfectly balances . I will play both.

I think Lev is goings be a lot more "fun" as from what I understand its more "raw" more like going to a MTG major tourney

who knows what the reality in regards to which wil be more "Fun" will be . All we can do till March is speculate

[robust lily]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-naruto-shippuden-nine-tails-nine-tailed-beast-kurama-gif-18061223

Bruh

[dense solar]

it really doesnt if you would see the actual illuvial - also please keep in mind that the 9 tailed fox is based on a thousands of year old mythical creature that appears in folklore around the world. 🙂

and ours isnt that 😄

[rigid cypress]

I'm trying to get him to bribe me to make a super ape -> which you get by fusing all the other apes into him.

(don't tell the other brothers)

[jovial sun]

Don't worry the other brothers don't hang out here, we are safe

[lean dragon]

By your powers combined...

[copper mauve]

As long as aapon is not here, we are safe.

Btw, is there a job to test the balance of the game? I can be one if you need any 😆

[mint silo]

that would scare me .

[silent jewel]

best misdirection ever hahahahaha

the walls better be telling me the story of previous life in illuvium!

[tight ermine]

i didn't see your original drawing but the picture on leaks is super similar! very curious nowwwww
yes the Kyubi in Naruto is based on that mythical creature too.

[steady crag]

True

[regal linden]

ty 🙂

[prime briar]

Quick question about Illuvials with mixed affinities, e.g. Frost (air + water). Will a Frost Illuvial be able to perform Frost, Air and Water attacks? Or only Frost attacks? If it's able to perform all 3 types of attacks, then a counter-pick will not be a counter-pick anymore. And another question: are Illuvials capable of learning multiple charged/secondary attacks so that we can cover our weaknesses and counter the counter ?

[copper mauve]

Any cc around?

[flat rose]

They are always working it seems.

[copper mauve]

Will illuvium support linux right after release?

[flat rose]

About 60 online.

[flat rose]

No

[copper mauve]

Rip, is that confirmed?

[flat rose]

Maybe eventually I guess. But not right away.

[copper mauve]

Guess i gotta buy windows

[next harbor]

I was wondering earlier and I think I didn't see this anywhere, do we know how much RNG will weight for the autobattler ? Since it's a 1 v 1 there is no such things as carousels, fight order and since we have to own the illuvials to fight, there is no such a thing as completely random shops like TFT (I come from TFT so that's why I compare with it)

[rigid cypress]

There is no output randomness, there is some input randomness via Legendary Enhancements.

[dusky quiver]

https://c.tenor.com/x8OXNmhgqvAAAAAM/the-office-michael-scott.gif

[next harbor]

I think I would need a bit more to understand this, what is the difference between input and output randomness? Sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, I really have no clue

Like, input randomness in TFT is "knowing that this shop has 20% to be a rare unit" and output randomness is that "you get a random loot after beating a PVE mob" ?

[rigid cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwI5b-wRLic&t=762s @next harbor If you don't mind a video. This one is good

[next harbor]

I'll check this a bit later, thanks for the reference!

(Juste started a TFT game lol)

[next harbor]

I genuinely found that video interesting. Input randomness have indeed a lot of value for strategic games and output randomness is always present in auto battlers because we can't control the fights (which is fine)

[sleek pollen]

Seriously?? 9 tails???

[rigid cypress]

Confirmed @mint silo. I'll leak the ranked flow on Friday!

[flat rose]

That illuvial based on a fennec fox is the one that first had the concept art worked on LIVE steaming in the discord. And not only that… the community got to jump in and chat and give ideas and further develop what the illuvial line would looks like and discuss what affinities and classes it might have. It was a super cool thing to be part of.

[mint silo]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-thank-you-cheers-smile-gif-17045602

[steady crag]

What class and affinity does the fox have?can u show us the concept art?

[lean dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-yay-african-child-screaming-shouting-gif-7212866

[upper light]

Any other favorite game dev talks you're keen on?

[copper mauve]

Nice vfx

[main bane]

nice

[loud hare]

The movement and walking around of the player is pretty smooth for pre alpha, vfx look sick too

The mushroom plant oozing out of the top kinda looks a little like... nvm

[night ledge]

lol

[flat rose]

Stage 1 is air affinity. Stage 2-3 is dust affinity I believe.

Not sure about class.

[finite junco]

Yeah I have already nicknamed those Goblin Bukake

[flat rose]

The fox is in #🚰〕leaks awhile back

[flat rose]

Actually I’m not sure it is even.

I tried looking there for it.

[flat rose]

I had it saved on my phone.

Back from July 9!

[copper mauve]

That is 1 tail?

[flat rose]

Yeah. Stage 1.

More tails as the stage increases.

That’s my understanding

[copper mauve]

Ic, cool

Stage 3 ultimate should be 9x combos with 9 tails (single target) lol

[light moat]

How many illuvials do we know so far?

10-15?

From 50

In its stage 1 I mean

So there is lot to discover yet

[dense solar]

When it move the tails wrap into 1 :)

[flat rose]

Oh nice

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-umbrella-to-my-haters-gif-5679654

[flat rose]

Why tho?

[dense solar]

And thats a hint, not to be offensive 🤣

[flat rose]

Hmm hinting at like the affinity or how it moves around… so cryptic

[dense solar]

3 6 9

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-malone-kevin-office-white-collar-gif-4013003

[woven magnet]

Has anyone kept a running list of all the Illuvials released so far?

[flat rose]

😂 I wish. It’s too hard. There’s so many

[woven magnet]

Apparently only 15 that's not very many!

[flat rose]

Haha 😂 we’ve seen more like 50

[copper mauve]

Lets list illuvials together

[lean dragon]

Ooh a Fennec Illuvial

[dusk flare]

Fun idea! A shared google spreadsheet would do. Where all can edit

[copper mauve]

Tier 0

• Doka
• Grocko
• h
• Flish
• Atippo

Tier 1

• Atlas, Axon, Axodon
• Archos, Archie, Archeleon
• , , Scoriox

Tier 2

Tier 3

• , Singe, Sear
• , Rypterus
• Fern, Fernite

Tier 4

• , , Titanor
• , Rake, Umbre
• Alphie, Synalph

Tier 5

• Rhamphy, Rhamphite, Rhamphyre

Unknown Tier

• Snail
• Dodo
• Pistol Shrimp
• Star Nosed Mole
• Froggie (idk the name)
• Heal unicorn (idk the name)
• , , Monkier
• , , Grilla
• , , Aapon

I will let others do the spreadsheet lol

[dusk flare]

Are those confirmed tiers?

[copper mauve]

Yes, from leaks

[dusk flare]

cool cool, and the evolution stages separated with ","

[copper mauve]

Yes, started with stage1 to stage 3

[dusk flare]

I'll look in to making a simple and logic sheet

[rigid cypress]

Sorry guys -> I swapped up Tiers this week heavily.

About half of Illuvials are now different.

Rhamphyre and Squizz are still T5 though 🙂

[copper mauve]

Owh rip data

Its ok tho, we will get all the new dtata from cbt1

[lunar hill]

I have a spreadsheet I'm working on. I'll share it here soon

Its compiled of the Illuvials lines, names, affinity and classes that we know

[light moat]

Good job!

[lunar hill]

Just saw your comment. I'll share mine with you if you like rather than starting from scratch. Then we can share a link here for everyone and pin it

And it can be updated easily with whatever Ben changes 😀

[lunar hill]

Hey all,

@lean dragon @bronze pilot @bleak holly and I have been working on a little project dubbed The Infoluvial. The goal is to create some easy information for new members of the community in the form of infographics and guides.

We also thought it would be neat to compile a list of known Illuvials. Please tag me if there's any amendments to be made, it is a work in progress! Appreciate any info from the community to create the most comprehensive list available!

All feedback welcome 😀
~~https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/~~
EDIT: We have all the info on our website infoluvial.io now 🙂

[lean dragon]

Will add and revise the list whenever necessary. As well as add some assets down the road

[lunar hill]

It will be an ever improving working doc

[dusk flare]

The sheet you sent is perfect. I see no need for any extra document. 👌🏼

[lean dragon]

I'll take this time to ask if any graphics artist or have experience with layouts in Photoshop or canva is interested to join our group please let us know. The more GAs we have the faster we can release and share the infographics we plan for the community

[lunar hill]

Thanks! 😀 Easy to update too with any changes Ben and the team make. Or any errors

[dusk flare]

I had a vision to hyperlink a leaked picture to each name in the list to easily see what any Illuvial looks like. @lean dragon

[lunar hill]

Love it! Scruba has aggregated all the leaks in a folder. I'll work on that later today where there's a link for each Illuvial we have. Great idea! I was trying to figure out how to get pictures in without disrupting the size and flow. That's perfect.

[lean dragon]

Reminded me to add the new leaks. I didn't add all the videos though :(

We can just create an over all banner then hyperlink the rest of the illuvials

[dusk flare]

Neat! It's possible to just copy the media link directly from discord and enter it as hyperlink. Byt of course even better to have a spare folder with all pictures/videos

[lunar hill]

Yeah this is true. But would be nice to share externally too and might draw some more people into the community

[dusk flare]

Yeah I love the document. Good job with that all of you. Unfortunately I can't help with the Photoshop illustrations for social media

[lean dragon]

If you're into writing content we need help on those too

[dusk flare]

I'll gladly help with anything I can and share if any idea comes to mind.

[copper mauve]

Good job, nice docs

[lean dragon]

Send me or @lunar hill a DM. I might forget about our conversation later. Currently out of the house hahaha

[flat rose]

This is cool guys. Eventually I’ll see what I can do to help fill in anything that’s missing.

[desert depot]

Well done ! 👌🏻

[gray path]

Ouch, @random sky Dodo's slapping fury is no joke! Scary Nicely done!

[lunar hill]

Thanks for pinning it too! 👌

[gray path]

Cool table, lots of work, thanks!

[random sky]

Credits goes to @haughty lodge 😛 but thank you!

[gray path]

Thanks guys, you are all gods in what you do!

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painting-bo-bross-gif-4988743

[gray path]

who said gods can't fuck things up though🤪

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/platypus-walking-gif-19817633

[gray path]

Btw is there a platypus illuvial?🤔

[hollow bobcat]

Can't edit, but I believe the stage 3 of the water buffalo is Bulldozer. (Carablu, Boss, Bulldozer)

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/barackobama-talks-press-con-maybe-classified-gif-11864017

[flat rose]

Blazenite. Stage 3 shoebill. (Conflagration Templar)

Vermillia anteater in assume stage 1 but not sure actually.

Mammoth names are a bit off I’d say.

Kukka stage 1 dodo.

Scarabok stage 1 beetle.

The nft names maybe helpful.
#🛒〕land-dex message

[jovial sun]

beautiful creature

[rigid cypress]

Line is Pterodactyl for Rhamphyre.

[lunar hill]

Oh my bad I thought it was that specific type of pterodactyl. I couldn't remember the name Aaron mentioned in an interview but thought that was the one.

Thanks everyone for the additions. Will update when back at my PC later!

[sly snow]

That's where the name itself (Rhamphyre) comes from, yeah! Rhamphorhynchus.

[lunar hill]

That's what I thought but Ben threw me off lol. I'll change it to Rhamphorhynchus Pterodactyl

[flat rose]

So the idea is that the team uses the common name as the line name. Not the scientific name.

[sly snow]

Didn't mean to further confuse 😅

Name: Rhamphyre
Line: Pterodactyl (as Ben said)

I was just clarifying that you likely saw Aaron mention Rhamphorhynchus because he has stated that the name Rhamphyre is based on that.

[lunar hill]

Lol thanks for the clarification. Third time's the charm right 😅

[sly snow]

Some possible amendments based on what I can recall...

Illuvial Line for #19-21 would be Rhinobeetle instead of Beetle. Not sure if it's 1 or 2 words.
And I believe Stage 1 of that line is named Scarabok

Illuvial Line for #34-36 would just be Mammoth instead of Mammoth Elephant.

Stage 1 for Anteater is named Vermillia.

Illuvial Line for #40-42 would be Squid. Although Psychic Octopus does sound a bit cooler 😄

Stage 3 for Shoebill is named Blazenite

[lunar hill]

Love all the additional input. I figured as soon as I posted here is get some more additions. It kind of surprised me how many we actually know. I'll be home shortly and will update 👌

Lol I forgot I put that 😂 it was a bit tongue in cheek from when Grant refered to having to design a psychic octopus like creature 😝

[flat rose]

Do you get how the lynx naming system works?

Of course we don’t know the illuviary numbers but we can get the names at least.

[sly snow]

#💥〕leaks-discussion message

#💥〕leaks-discussion message

[lunar hill]

You guys are pulling out all the stops!

We had the first few Illuviary numbers from the Medium articles. I was hoping to find more, but no luck. Maybe this sheet will cause a few more to get leaked....

[light moat]

Wow! Amazing fire bird and plants

[jovial sun]

hold the phone, never seen that bird before

[light moat]

Yeah I didn't too

[jovial sun]

thought the earlier stagies to this were air

[light moat]

Just beautifull and menacing

[bronze pilot]

Loving how more and more different creators are being tagged. Had the feeling at first that there were only 5 people working on the Graphics but this is extra confirmation that the project is growing rapidly!!!! 🥳 🥳
I know, there never were only 5, but it is great to see more names popping up there!

[light moat]

Well over 100 people in the project and many more to come! Incredible work

Close to 200 soon probably

This isnt just a project with a bunch of people, its something very serious

[ember steeple]

the bird is like Ramphyre's cool cousin

[light moat]

Come on guys, a bit more of love for the team who designed this

@hearty fiber @knotty tinsel great work guys!!! Amazing Bird and elements. Keep up the good work

I love all of them

[lunar hill]

Agreed, it's great to see the other CCs posting and being tagged! Fantastic work, it just continues to impress. I am not sure how we are going to contain our hype until launch

[flat rose]

It’s BLAZENITE! Conflagration affinity (nature+fire)

I love it so very much

[viscid laurel]

anyone have a picture of all the classes, affinities or synergies? or know where to find it

[charred seal]

Check the pinned messages in here, several graphics of what is publicly known so far.

[lunar hill]

I think I have added all these updates, let me know if anyone has anymore!

[brave obsidian]

I think there is one pinned in this channel

Here

[viscid laurel]

saw that, thanks!

[untold saddle]

The details are just insane, this is going to be a game on another level 😍

[ripe wadi]

Yes this is going to be the best game of the 21st century!!

[elder falcon]

omg that bird is so awesome

[hallow spoke]

That final plant with the holes makin my skin crawl

[copper mauve]

I love plants

[woven magnet]

Do we know the names/affinities/classes of any of these yet?

[dusk flare]

Check last pinned post in this channel and you might figure out who's who. Not sure if all these are added to the list yet tho. The list keeps updating

[woven magnet]

No pictures to match up with :(

Should be able to matchup some of them though. Thank you!

[dusk flare]

I gave as suggestion to add hyperlinks to each name so it’s easily accessible 👌🏼 so it should be updated when they have time for it 😁

[woven magnet]

Good suggestion!

[woven magnet]

I think what they should do instead is just send me a picture of all the Illuvial cards and I can make it for them

@granite musk @old sierra

It would look much nicer with the cards! :)

[hollow bobcat]

Not all have in-game names already. Also not all have reveled class and affinity. But I do remember some:
Titanor / rhino beetle - Juggernaught.
Blazenite - air/conflagration
Atippo - only one affinity, but will have 5 classes (Tier 0)

[woven magnet]

Is Blazenite the last bird?

[dusk flare]

Not fun to spoil everything either 🤭

[copper mauve]

All T0 have 5 affinities

[woven magnet]

Not asking for extra just want what has already been released.

[hollow bobcat]

I did do this, until I realized that illuvials are not fixed when fused. We can have 3 of the same illuvial with the same affinity, but different class. So there could be 2-3 possible outcome for the stage 2. Unless all 3 to be fused have the exact class the affinity.

[woven magnet]

Which one is Atippo

[dusk flare]

Ah I see. Yeah the cards are good looking. Pleasant for the eye

[hollow bobcat]

The cute one with like a cup on the head with a floating pearl.

[woven magnet]

Messed around with some manual filtering

[woven magnet]

Thank you

[dusk flare]

Sweet. Are you familiar with photoshop or some?

[woven magnet]

Nope my phone is just good with photo taking and messing around with the settings easily to make it look good

AI with pictures is a cool thing

[woven magnet]

Was Blazenite the big fire bird?

[dusk flare]

Ah okay, filters are easy to apply these days. Ask any influencer hehe

[woven magnet]

Yeah haha

[hollow bobcat]

Stage 3 of Fern and Fernite.

[hazy arch]

That’s super cool, I want Illuvium playing cards

[granite musk]

We use a very basic name for the 'line' because it's not something that you see in the game and most people understand.

For example the turtle is actually an Archelon.

[lean dragon]

Snek! This is pretty cool! You interested in expanding this?

[jovial sun]

that combination is a thing ?

[rigid cypress]

From the art legend

[supple crescent]

a new masterpiece

[copper mauve]

That art has to be minted

[night ledge]

Up there with my pepe atlas #💥〕leaks-discussion message

[granite musk]

Kick a man when he's down...

[dense solar]

I warned him not to draw again

[dusk flare]

I like it more as purple. Holo confirmed?

[supple crescent]

whamphurr lookin' a little chonky lately

[lunar hill]

Thanks for the info! Not sure if you checked out the list but we have a few missing spots.... 😉

[lunar hill]

I plan to add links to images we have leaked, just will take some time

[dusk flare]

Too much KFC lately. Cannibal....

[granite musk]

Yeah, you do.

[night ledge]

Wink at him harder

[lunar hill]

Just making sure you know in case you are feeling generous one day 😉😉😉

[lunar hill]

Is 3 enough!?

[granite musk]

I know.

[lunar hill]

https://c.tenor.com/q1yaXv-U8_4AAAAM/wink-flirty.gif

[night ledge]

I don't know how many you need to get emotion out of robots

[lunar hill]

I don't think its working!

[dusk flare]

Nedd Grant for this one. Aaron is a bot

[granite musk]

I just know you will have more fun if you find them yourself.

Your lift is missing things we have leaked.

[lunar hill]

I love the dryness and the ability to directly answer questions without giving stuff away. Often gives me a good chuckle.

[lunar hill]

That's enough! Lol. The hunt continues.

If anyone wants to check the list and see, let me know! I'm gonna work on linking pics and see if I can find other stuff we are missing

[dusk flare]

Yeah the hyperlinks will be a great add-on for the sheet. There are pictures to find in almost all kinds of channels. and most not even pinned. So there might be a few days of scrolling to find them all lol

[woven magnet]

That's the plan!

[lean dragon]

Ill send you a DM.

[turbid thorn]

So we are going to make a physical playing card game out of Illuvium, nice! That's like the reverse of Pokemon.

[woven magnet]

I'm not. I'm just making a guide

[turbid thorn]

Just a thought, it may happen at some point.

[woven magnet]

100💯

[dry wolf]

Very good project\

[dense breach]

hey @granite musk I'm making an index of all the buildings in Zero. Looking for some numbers! Any chance you can throw me a bone here!?!?!

[flat rose]

Talk to johnnya in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

Looks like a good idea.

[granite musk]

https://tenor.com/view/a-space-odyssey-kubrick-movies-movie-bone-forever-gif-16100155

No.

[charred seal]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-wow-surprised-gasp-wife-swap-gif-16775374

[flat rose]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[flat rose]

Barking up the wrong tree

[dense breach]

Nonetheless a hilarious response!

[flat rose]

Worth it for sure

[dense breach]

Def

[flat rose]

Anyone remember which regions would be the first two playable regions in the rpg? Probably mentioned in an interview with @dusky quiver or @worn quest

[granite musk]

Crimson Waste and Brightland Steppes

[copper mauve]

Sanctum mesa is like the city right?

[flat rose]

Thanks Aaron.

[steady crag]

How to properly pronounce steppes?

[granite musk]

Steps

[mint citrus]

not steepis ?

[bright shale]

@granite musk it seems to me you have some inside infos 🤣

[dense solar]

Birdflight Stierpz

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-easter-easter-bunny-easter-eggs-baby-cute-gif-16835742

[granite musk]

Could be.

[dusk flare]

So that's the entrance we'll search for to enter and unlock the new region?

[dense solar]

no 😄

[dusk flare]

Okay, silly me 😇

[dense solar]

😛 😛 its to find 1 part of the crimson waste

Crimson Waste has several large areas to explore

[copper mauve]

Nice

[dense solar]

to unlock a whole new region,, is done differently .. i dont even know.. thats all Aaron

[copper mauve]

Is every biomes has several areas?

[dense solar]

yeah they are really big

[copper mauve]

Nice

[dense solar]

with several large areas that all have their different features and characteristics

[copper mauve]

And different illuvial chance of appearance right?

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dicaprio-maybe-gif-20413224

[copper mauve]

[finite junco]

In Pokémon games, sometimes to progress to new areas, you would need to use a Pokémon skill outside of battle (such as cut, or fly etc).

Looking at this screenshot, it looks like she is using Atlas watershield to be able to push through the curtain of falling sand...

[lean dragon]

Too bad our illuvials can't walk with us in the over world yet

[finite junco]

But could our little robot guy somehow channel their abilities, or their affinity?
And that is used to unlock areas

[cold dirge]

Another mindblowing concept art 😮

[lean dragon]

Might be on to something. m0zart might have a role to play

[finite junco]

Let's search Mozart images for a Shard slot!

Hmm would need 2 slots, so you could combine Affinities

[cunning parrot]

Is the map leak the same as the mini map from recent gameplay leak?

[light moat]

Which gameplay leak?

[cunning parrot]

#🚰〕leaks message

[light moat]

Ah ok, thought you were speaking about a new video 😂

[hardy roost]

wow

[jovial sun]

my God

[cold dirge]

always happy to see more concept art 🙂

[jovial sun]

its gorgeous

[next harbor]

My only goal when I'm free is to put the French flag emote on the leaks. Idk why this gives me adrenaline

[light moat]

Beautifull!!!!

[dusky quiver]

the long tease this game is, LEMME IN

[light moat]

Yeah I try to put my Spain flag too😂

[next harbor]

So I'm not alone 😂 There is already no more space after one minute this is crazy

[dense solar]

yeah it goes a little crazy..

[dusky quiver]

if we will see some more open world adventure game play soon

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-munch-munching-gif-4883511

[dusky quiver]

i just want to Esplore as my son says

[cinder stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[night ledge]

I think Aaron mentioned a week or 2 ago that he could show us something but he wanted to add something in first

Hope we get it this month 🤔

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-jack-black-ill-be-waiting-half-stance-funny-gif-17917419

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-smile-sarcastic-look-away-unimpressed-gif-16223912

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-libre-jump-jack-black-wrestling-lucha-gif-5654741

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-funny-seals-seal-funny-fun-animal-gif-17880262

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/jig-dance-vibe-gif-7752193

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/psy-싸이-gangnam-style-dance-dance-off-gif-16745433

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-dance-off-chris-pratt-gif-14607309

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/asian-dance-kiddie-cute-gif-6014113

[night ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-crazy-party-man-bald-gif-17362387

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-chuckle-you-gif-14521742

[dusky quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-funny-gif-12939911

this is fun, im having fun

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-hey-babe-girl-whats-gif-19202265

[night ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-side-eye-confused-gif-8776030

[dense solar]

time to get back to work..

[night ledge]

Mods when they open this channel

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-gif-22948148

[dusky quiver]

me too, have a good one Cookie Monster

[flat rose]

Yeah like what are these two doing?!? 😂

#799010390201466880 !!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/issa-joke-its-a-joke-im-joking-gif-7246089

[dusky quiver]

you can't ruin our fun, it was had and it was glorious

[dense solar]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-crazy-clap-happy-snow-white-gif-12563290

[sly snow]

Ooh baby-- arena still looking good on that GTX960, imo.
Maybe I'll just stick with my 970 and allocate the funds I would have used to some more ILV or land 👀

[steady crag]

My thought exactly

[granite musk]

While that is very cool (probably cooler than our system) it is not correct. Although if you DO find a way to get to a new region I think you'll be happy.

[copper mauve]

Is the devlog out yet?

[dire tartan]

Not yet, as per Aaron he is already done making it. Other cc's just need to check it. I hope they will release it later or tommorow.

[flat rose]

I can hardly believe I missed the UI on this video. I kept watching the poison spewing out after Arlen.

[lunar hill]

Thanks for pointing that out, I did too! I just went back to look and it was like I got an extra leak 😁

[flat rose]

All props to @cunning parrot

https://tenor.com/view/shia-la-beouf-clap-clapping-applause-impressed-gif-4427576

[drifting lantern]

What is everyone's favorite illuvial concept arts? Also, is there a specific catalog anywhere of just the illuvials concepts for people to look through? The character leak page is cool and all, but I'd love to find the high res versions of the EmberLynx and Bulldozer pages.

[tawdry lichen]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/814318329430540298/916401215808614440
what is "item placement" after the illuvial placement ?

[unreal lantern]

what is legendary enhancement bidding?

[visual knoll]

Very interesting, I wonder if the item placement is for Arlen where you select what weapon/armor you want

[worn quest]

@rigid cypress knows how to make my day on a saturday mornin

[worn quest]

id love to know this too

[visual knoll]

Maybe it’s something like the current set of TFT where every few rounds (limit 3) you can select an enhancement that applies a buff to your team

[rigid cypress]

About to head out -> Discuss among yourselves what's question you most want answered? When I'm back at my desk I'll answer one question in full 😄

[worn quest]

thanks mate

[visual knoll]

Definitely Legendary Enhancement Bidding

[dusky quiver]

I vote for give over your secrets of Legendary Enhancements

[charred seal]

Legendary Enhancements... for sure

[worn quest]

Also, Obelisk lose health, do we defend an obelisk like a structure?

[unreal lantern]

it's probably like tft that when you lose a battle you lose hp based on how many characters of the opponent survives

[visual knoll]

Maybe similar to TFT where your character loses health but since you use Arlen on the board it’s your obelisk that has the health for the game

[unreal lantern]

so if it is a close fight you should have hp to play again like a best of 3

[worn quest]

yeah the term obelisk threw me. im like the big ass things lol

[visual knoll]

I’m sure it will be similar to that structure but on a smaller scale

If that is the case that would be sick to be able to get a skin for your obelisk!

[worn quest]

i just always thought this feature of the health would be tied to mozart

coz he is always with us, do we lug around an obelisk now?

[visual knoll]

I think Mozart is for your overworld companion where as for the ranked arena the obelisk might be the structure you use to go into the other side to fight so once it loses health it kicks you out ie losing the match

[worn quest]

oh yeah that makes sense, so i think the other question for ben (if he can answer) is what actually is the obelisk?

[visual knoll]

That is the question indeed lol

[swift flint]

So freaking cool

[visual knoll]

Maybe that’s what the legendary enhancements do is add like a shield to your obelisk or make it so when you do win your round the obelisk counts as a unit so you deal extra damage to theirs. Or it counts as an extra affinity to boost your team

[worn quest]

good idea, but still keen to know what it is. like size and appearance

[visual knoll]

Same, I’m just spitballing some crazy ideas haha

[worn quest]

also, do u think that if 3 rounds go buy and obelisk healths are both not empty, we go back to Bidding and start over. does that technically mean that you could do the same thing again and end up with infinitely looping game? not that its probable, just possible. Im thinkin like stall vs stall where you dont get to remake ur deck and you end up with a situation where neither player can defeat the other

would it then be prudent to add a draw condition after 3 full match phases?

or an enrage timer (healing down, dmg up)

[visual knoll]

It does say “Legendary Enhancement Bidding” so maybe there is some way you have to “buy” it. Like sacrifice a placement and it goes back and forth until someone stops bidding. Or you bid a % of remaining health

[next harbor]

Alright, I just loved this. That's more or less how I imagined the PVP would be (i didn't know about the legendary enhancements) but I just love this. The amount of mind game we can have is just insane

[unreal lantern]

also if we get back to the legendary enhancement phase, our obelisk will restore it's health?

[worn quest]

so u thinkin health stays the same when reverting back after 3 rounds? that would make sense

[visual knoll]

Yeah for sure, whatever your current health is after 3 rounds carries over and then you do the bidding again for the next “Legendary Enhancement”

[worn quest]

makes sense. so the 2 main questions, what is the obelisk and how does legendary enhancement bidding work. that sum it up?

[visual knoll]

Sounds good to me! I do still want to know the item placement but these first two sound more interesting personally

[worn quest]

i like the item placement round after the reveal

[worn quest]

your deck will have items like power ups that u can place on illuvials

thats how i understood it when i talked with Aaron a couple months ago

[visual knoll]

Ahhh, yeah like the fruits you can find in the overworld right? That apply buffs when held

[next harbor]

I still have some questions to understand things better, does the economy gets bigger and bigger each round (something like TFT)? Meaning like at the start we can probably use only cheap units and then each round we try to improve our boards. Or do we start immediately with all resources available and then we just try to outsmart the other with positioning, items and legendary enhancements

[worn quest]

kinda, but you actually craft them into items i think (take this with a grain of salt)

[visual knoll]

I think it is the latter

[unreal lantern]

i believe it doesnt have an economy like tft, you have your deck from the beginning

[worn quest]

id imagine u start with full availibility. TFT is more of a ramp up game, but i think illuvium is meant to be more head on

[next harbor]

In that case, what's the points in having Illuvial Tier 1, Tier 2 and tier 3?

[visual knoll]

That would be really interesting because then you could, if you do choose, be like a “blacksmith” and just make tons of items and sell them in game to people who don’t want to use time doing that themselves

[next harbor]

I thought they would evolve if we invest in them more

[worn quest]

synergies and strategies

[next harbor]

Oh okay, I thought it was the equivalent of 1 star unit, 2 star unit and 3 star unit in TFT but with the "pokemon" like evolution

[visual knoll]

The overall stats improve and the strength of their omega abilities increase. So you pay more to have T3s out because they are bigger and stronger

[worn quest]

not during battle. think of pokemon. u evolve them out of battle. once evolved they dont revert back

[next harbor]

I come from TFT so I tend to try to make analogies xD

[visual knoll]

Same lol that’s all we really have to go off of

[worn quest]

in this game i think they even want lower evolutions to be viable in situations due to lower deployment cost etc.

[next harbor]

But honestly I love the order: reveal deck then positioning then items. This brings so much in depths strategies

[next harbor]

Yeah, I suppose utility units don't necessarily require high investment to have impact on the fights

[visual knoll]

Agreed. With lower cost units you can have more synergies by having more types out

[worn quest]

the flow is perfect for counter play. see decks then chose placements to counter. see placements then chose items to counter. Plus there is the bidding once we know how that works

[next harbor]

I feel like the bidding could be something similar to a TFT set's mechanic

Like the augments we have right now for the Set 6. But here we have to spend some of our resources to borrow a strong power

Just an idea

[visual knoll]

That’s what I was thinking. Or maybe you bid a placement or % of your health

[next harbor]

True, health is also a resource

[visual knoll]

I wonder if the bidding will go back and forth for counter offers or if it’s just one bid and you have to try to guess how much they will bid and try place a higher one

[next harbor]

Also it could be like an auction and only one power is available and each player bid to get the power. The highest bidder wins the power for 3 rounds

@visual knoll You just said it ahah

[visual knoll]

That’s what I’m imagining since it says bidding. Only one will get it

[next harbor]

To add even more mind game, the one who lost the bid also lose the resources he bid with

[visual knoll]

That might be too much of a punishment

Since you already lost the legendary enhancement haha

[worn quest]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[visual knoll]

Kick a loser while he’s losing

[next harbor]

I like punishments, especially when I punish other players lmao

[unreal lantern]

i think both players will have something like 3 options of enhancements to choose one, could be like atk speed bonus, one extra slot to deploy illuvials or something like that

that would make each match different when we have a meta with everybody playing the same decks at high ranks

[worn quest]

would be cool if there was a big roster of enhancement but u only get a randomized 1-3 to bid on or something. i just like things that u cant predict and have to adjust for

[visual knoll]

I think only one of them will get it. You can’t really bid against yourself. But maybe once you win the enhancement you get to choose one of 3 options

Like a blind bid for the enhancement and upon winning it it reveals 3 choices

[unreal lantern]

i don't think bidding there means like bidding in an auction

[next harbor]

It should be random in order to adapt after according this #💥〕leaks-discussion message

[worn quest]

oh thanks

[worn quest]

or there are 3 choices and u bid on one. then u could both get one cheap or you could try and outbid ur opponent on the one u think they will want

[visual knoll]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️ but hopefully Ben gets back soon to answer us!

[visual knoll]

That would also be an interesting mechanic

I’m just so excited I can’t wait to know haha

[next harbor]

Same, I just want to play and 1 V 1 right now 😂

[unreal lantern]

I'm also curious to know how many illuvials we are gonna be able to have in our deck and in each battle round

[worn quest]

100%

[worn quest]

last time i asked they were still deciding

[woven magnet]

Gonna be a lot of arguments like that starting in a few months.
"Axodon is the strongest Illuvial"
"Na it's not even close it's Sear"
"Bro you don't even know what you are talking about"
"1V1 me dude I'll beat you"

Hahaaha

[next harbor]

Love this, also you can bet Eth on yourself to prove the point even more

[loud hare]

Ah finally the pvp flow chart, great to see thank you!

[woven magnet]

Isn't that only in the Leviathan though

[next harbor]

Maybe, I don't know everything perfectly tbh

[loud hare]

I think the legendary enhancement bidding will be like this: At that stage of the match, multiple legendary enhancement options will come up on the screen, you and your opponent bid with your energy to get the one you want, these enhancement are really strong thats why its worth sacrificing some of your energy which is used to place illuvials to bid for it, but you need to decide how much you are willing to bid before it actually hinders you by having that much less energy, whoever wins the bid gets that enhancement and the other player gets to pick one of the other ones, however if you both want different ones then theres really no bidding war. Or there could just be one legendary enhancement and yous bid war for who gets it, then it ends up being one player with less energy + enhancement vs player with no enhancement but more energy. Just my theory

[woven magnet]

I believe it's just the Leviathan from what I have read since stats there are not normalized. You won't catch me in that arena hah

[woven magnet]

What happens if you each want a different one but one player pays twice as much energy?

Would the energy get refunded since you weren't bididng on the same one?

[loud hare]

If theres no contest for the same one, then either both players get their bid refunded and get their enhancement, or you both spend your initial bid and get that enhancement?

[visual knoll]

I think you are correct, the Legendary bidding begins before placement of Illuvials so you would be using the energy that’s used to place them as the bidding component

I definitely think it would be whatever you bid is what you use to buy the enhancement, that’s the risk you run of bidding to much you over spend and too little you don’t win the enhancement. But if you lose the bid you get your energy back

[woven magnet]

I would think it would have to be the ladder. The game would be too unbalanced if not.

I mean I guess at some point people would start being more conservative out of fear of losing more energy then the other person when they didn't need to bid more

[woven magnet]

Yeah but that's just leaving a part of the game to luck of a guess. Maybe if both people bid in different ones they both pay the lowest bid?

[loud hare]

Yeah thats what i mean, you would need to learn how much energy loss is worth the enhancement to you, so that could be your bid, that way if you lose then that means your opponent has spent more energy than you deem worth the enhancement.

[woven magnet]

I just feel like if you are playing someone who is on the same playing field as you and you lose extra energy it's almost an auto loss

[visual knoll]

But that’s also strategy. Your deck is revealed by this point so you have an idea of what your opponent has so once you see the enhancements you can try to outbid the best enhancement for their team

[rigid cypress]

Want a job mate? This is pretty much exactly spot on.

Your reward - pick an advanced affinity/class for me to leak

[visual knoll]

Dammm, all my guessing for nought lol. Congrats though! Nj

[rigid cypress]

So to explain it and in slightly more depth since it seems to be the question most in demand...

[woven magnet]

It's not strategy though. Handing out auto losses because you lost more energy will happen alot

[rigid cypress]

Both players are presented with an amount of legendary enhancements (right now it's 5, but hasn't gone through full playtesting yet). They both blind bid turn points for the ones they want. They have 5 options on bid amount, highest bidder wins the item, lowest bidder gets their points back, on tie both lose their points and the enhancement is destroyed.

[visual knoll]

That’s sick!!

[next harbor]

That sounds really cool, as long as we can deny legendary enhancements for a specific situation (eg: it's too strong for the opponent's deck which could counter my deck) by bidding more energy then it's great. It allows countermeasures against bad matchups

[loud hare]

A career with illuvium doesn't sound too bad at all.

Sweet! Mate, lets go with something interesting, can we please see Conflagration?

[woven magnet]

So are there other aspects to the game that counteract the loss you might suffer in a tie?

As I mentioned before if you are playing somebody who is on equal skill and knowledge level then it's probably a higher percent chance that you're automatically going to lose that game because of the higher loss you've incurred

[rigid cypress]

Coming right up! Message me when closed beta sign-ups open and I'll get you an invite. Good understanding of game systems is what I want in my testers!

[woven magnet]

Like you can still win if you are smart about other moves but it's more likely that you will lose

[loud hare]

Wow I really appreciate that man, will do! 👍

[muted blaze]

I'm feeling jealous 😄

[rigid cypress]

It's a matter of bluff really, your opponent flips your cards and see's you've got a lot of magma. And a magma focused legendary appears. They're probably going to do bid high if they're smart to make sure it gets destroyed. So what if instead you just bid 1, they've suddenly spent a boat load of points for an enhancement they likely can't use effectively.

We want players of higher skill, higher insight to win.

It's ranked - skill is what should win you games.

[neat roost]

Please consider looking into AFK Arena's "War of Wits" game-mode for possible ideas. timestamped of the game's overview https://youtu.be/Z4PoFmS-mBw?t=250 from @worn quest

Both players are presented 4 "Enhancements" with the 1st to choose being random.

Every time an enhancement is picked, the other 3 grow in power.

So while the 1st to choose has the benefit of choosing 1st, the other player will have a slightly stronger enhancement.

This goes back and forth a few times.

From my experience, this felt balanced and enjoyable to interact with the opponent in this way: Picking enhancements for my own strategy + denying my opponent of enhancements + being careful about unpicked enhancements becoming too strong.

I am willing to have an open mind but the idea of "low, medium, and high bidding" is a bit off-putting and sounds over-convoluted when it can possibly be more intuitive/simple while still being complex/strategic

[next harbor]

Yup, that's the whole mind game that we wanna see at top elo, on top of the mind game that comes after with the positioning and items. That's why I loved the PVP flow chart the second I saw it. Each round brings so many ways to express the skill level.
Out of curiosity, how long would be an average PVP duel?

[woven magnet]

I'll definitely give it a go but I have never been a fan of games where it feels like a casino bet and if you are wrong in the bet you now have to play a game that you are almost guaranteed to lose.

Might just stick with the RPG if it is like that.

[copper mauve]

It does has poker element there, but mind game is fun to play.

[visual knoll]

Man, I was so close to getting it right!! I’m so sad 😭 haha

[next harbor]

I don't think it's casino like. After some time people will figure out the approximate value of each legendary (impact of legendary on the fight = value). Based on that it's more like a mind game: do you value it more because it's your win condition? Or you don't value it because you're confident you can win without it

[lunar hill]

Why do you think it's just an immediate loss if you don't get the legendary enhancement?

[next harbor]

And then you can assess the other legendary enhancements the same way for your opponents. And after all assessment you can place your bets

[rigid cypress]

The amounts are not enough to lose you the game if you get something wrong, you'd have to screw up monumentally on all to lose as a result. It's there to add some input randomness, and add that pokereque play and to ensure that the maximum power fantasy isn't just available every game.

But it's not intended to be the deciding factor of a game, it there as a part.

[copper mauve]

The deciding factor will still be the synergies right?

[lunar hill]

I'm really excited for the PvP now! It's gonna be a hard balance between open world and PvP play

[unreal lantern]

if players choose different enhancements they both get what they bid?

[copper mauve]

Yes

[rigid cypress]

You make a decision on all.

[copper mauve]

You get what you bid higher than your opponent

[rigid cypress]

So you can get 2, opponent can get 3. You can get 0, they get all.

It's not like TFT's carousel where you only get one, but you're forced to take something.

[copper mauve]

Will everyone get the same control point each round? Is there any other factor to get control point?

[unreal lantern]

it seems better than i expected then

[copper mauve]

Does the legendary enchancemen bidding only happens in round 1 and round 3?

[next harbor]

It does look like this PVP system doesn't have any source of potential frustration that we have with TFT (carousels, shop randomness, semi random opponents, items, etc). At this point I'm wondering if ILV was designed this way on purpose

[plush kiln]

Any leaks on when we can apply for closed beta? 👀 😏

[unreal lantern]

it seems to be just before round 1 and 4, probably if it is possible to last long enough also before round 7

[lunar hill]

I think yes. Aaron has many hours spent in TFT and is a source of inspiration but they wanted to make it their own.

[bleak holly]

Can we live spectate matches ?

[copper mauve]

There is bidding mechanism, maybe yes.

[next harbor]

Yeah, when I saw an interview of Aaron mentioning this about TFT a few months ago I knew it was the game I needed to follow 😆

[bleak holly]

Member castle wars in RuneScape u could watch it go down on the wall lol

[onyx holly]

I don't see blind bidding as "skillful" but I'm willing to try anything. Maybe it's better in practice.

[next harbor]

There is a lot of skill involved like managing your resources correctly, analysing your opponent deck's strengths and weaknesses, trying to read the mind of your opponent, etc, before making the bids
Normally you'd come up with different scenarios and try to pick the one with the best success rate for you

[copper mauve]

Survival mode flow?

1. Deck building: We just need any stage and any elements of the Line?
2. Queue for a Match
3. Match Found
4. Legendary enchancement bidding against bot?
5. Illuvials placement period
6. Board reveal
7. Item placement period
8. Battle
9. If obelisk health != 0
   If round % 3 = 0 { // back to 4. }
   Else { // back to 5. }
   Else { // match end }

This cycle will be endless until our obelisk hp = 0 right?

[neat roost]

Choosing for

1. your own team's strength
2. denying your opponent

is definitely strategic. I just am not sold on the "bidding" idea for being the best way to implement it.

[lunar hill]

This is what the closed beta is for

[copper mauve]

There are 5 options bid for each items. It is not that randomized.

The mind game is 1 - 5. You just have to calculate the possibility and counter your opponent.

[onyx holly]

Purchasing a limited enchantment could be cool but casino bidding just feels like it doesn't fit well but I guess we'll see. Managing resources is a great thing in a game but gambling them is exactly that a "gamble" hoping your opponent doesn't bid the same as you to destroy the item and such.

I don't think it's a great mind game in gambling. More luck but I haven't experienced it so maybe it's just the thought of "bidding"

[neat roost]

I think taking turns with picking would be a lot better, including being a lot more interactive as you can make decisions based off of your opponent's picks.

Can be similar to a Ban/Pick system of mobas.

player 1: pick 1
player 2: pick 2 enhancements
player 1: pick 1

Or the afk arena system of increasing the power of non-picked enhancements

[woven magnet]

@lunar hill

It's not about losing the legendary enchantment. It's about losing the extra energy that may also cause you to lose out in an extra spot for placing Illuvials and weapons

[copper mauve]

Its no hoping you opponent doesn't bid the same as you.
Its reading your opponent and counter their decision.

[lunar hill]

I may have misunderstood but I thought you get returned your bid if you lose. Or you choose another? I don't think you get penalized for losing

[copper mauve]

I think blind placement system is set in stone by the team. You can counter with item placement after seeing their board.

[copper mauve]

It gets returned if you lose, but both players lose their bet if it is equal.

[unreal lantern]

mind games is no luck, imagine for example that there is an enhancement that is good for your opponent but useless for you, if you rather let him have it for 4 energy you can just bid 3 so that way you either deny him getting it cheaper or let him have it for an amount of energy that you think is more worth it for you that he spent it than for him to have the enhancement

[neat roost]

After enhancements are picked, I think a "Blind Ban" phase could be nice to have.

You and your opponent choose to ban one of their chosen enhancements and then the fight starts

[copper mauve]

That would defeat the propose of bidding for your item.

[neat roost]

I am against the bidding aspect to begin with. So I am suggesting possible alternatives.

Bidding with numbers seems like a weird way to go about this

[copper mauve]

I don't think so, but we can test it in cbt and give feedback later on

[woven magnet]

I think I might be mixing a previous tie situation with how this works so I'm confusing myself haha

[onyx holly]

Yeah I think it needs to be seen in practice because the idea of playing the auction house as the main game type just sounds really meh. Excited for all the rest

[copper mauve]

It is about resource management and reading your opponent. Which decision is the best for you.

[onyx holly]

I wanna fight monsters and have cool battles rather than calculating "gold" or energy and watching numbers. I feel like theres better strategy without the "bidding" part that could be choosing based on your team comps vs opponent and such but we'll see! Excited to see what it's all like.

[copper mauve]

Ben said the bidding part won't make you lose the game, unless you messed up really bad and lose all of your resources.

[ripe wadi]

The main way you are going to win the games are through playing the right counters and synergies

[copper mauve]

I think the only randomness is if there is no good enchancement for you and alot of good enchancement for your opponent.

[copper mauve]

I wonder how ben think about this.

[unreal lantern]

well in most competitive games you have to calculate everything to be at the highest ranks but you can also don't try as hard and stay in a rank with people who does the same thing and have fun

[copper mauve]

Maybe we can counter with placing more illuvials.

[unreal lantern]

also the enhancements can give you a pretty good idea of what cards your opponent is going to use and then it is easier to counter

[onyx holly]

I just don't want another Artifact. You can claim your game is the most complex "big brain" game ever and that doesn't mean anyone is going to care to play it. There is plenty of skill in plenty of games. I come from Yugioh where a calculator is required. So if it's fun it's fun and if it's not then most people won't want to play it.

I really hope it works out in a positive way.

[fading igloo]

it really doesn't sound like you'll literally need a calculator to play the game. the enhancements aren't even make or break based on what Ben said. I think it is simpler than you are envisioning

[ripe wadi]

SCAM

[steady crag]

I thought an illuvial(ex. Ramphyre) regardless of stages have same deployment cost.

[copper mauve]

I saw it had the same control point cost.

@unreal lantern which guild are you in?

[visual knoll]

In the images we’ve seen from the cards themselves they are all the same cost but they have mentioned that each tier has different costs when deploying them

[ripe wadi]

This is so it can’t just be pay to win and someone buys all the highest tier illuviuals

[ripe wadi]

It is very hard to implement strategy into a game where you can buy the best of the best but let me tell you they nailed it

[steady crag]

Tier is different from stages

[visual knoll]

You are correct, I miss spoke there, I meant stages. Stage 3 Illuvials will cost more than Stage 2 and 1. I am unsure whether Tiers themselves have differing costs

[steady crag]

But if the devs said tier then u misunderstood it. What they meant was different illuvials example tier 5(umbre, rhamphyre, squizz) will not have same deployment cost. But stage 1-3 rhamphyre will have same cost. But if the devs said stages then u r right

[visual knoll]

That is true, I would love to have clarification on this lol

[copper mauve]

Is the legendary enchancement permanent or 1 round only?

How many card do we take for a match?

So the battle actually started here. At this phase, we should start figuring out every counter for every possible play by our opponent.

[unreal lantern]

none yet

[ripe wadi]

Join Polemos 😎

[copper mauve]

You have a talent, independent is an option too

[dire tartan]

Hi @rigid cypress Thanks for leaking the Ranked PVP Flow Summary. I hope the team will consider that instead of (Blind Illuvial placement > Board Reveal > Item Placement) will have a revealed Picking/placement of illuvials and placement of items on board in a staggered way.
Player 1: Pick & place 2 illuvials with 2 items placement
Player 2: pick & place 3 illuvials with 1 item placement
And so on until the setup is complete.

Hopefully soon once more variety of illuvials will be released you might consider incorporating ban phase in it.

This might add more spicy on the pvp gameplay. 😁

[copper mauve]

It will be boring imo

And takes too much time

[lunar hill]

Shouldn't we at least see how it plays in the beta before trying to change it?

[small monolith]

I actually understood from some interview that it would be as sambu is describing

[round igloo]

Just like how moba works and u can ban illuvials too? Thatd be annoying af

[copper mauve]

@rigid cypress are you designing a Co-Op mode? I think illuvium biggest weakness is there is no Co-Op mode for people to play with their friends. I have an idea for it if u wanna listen.

[copper mauve]

No

[small monolith]

like 2 vs 2 in the autobattler?

[copper mauve]

That is an option, but my idea is like multi man dungeon raid.

2 v 2 is not special anymore, we want smtg new.

[copper mauve]

I have simple version and complex version