lore

[earnest linden]

Hagrid was trying to go for full human transfiguration but botched it.

So I think human meat for piggy Dudley.

[frosty venture]

True

I guess that is one thing, Magic can not create food

At least for the most part

Maybe some god tier stuff like the stone can

[worthy trench]

I mean magic obviously has its own definition i guess since anything can be eaten

JK is obviously intending realistic boundries when it comes to what is considered food

And its a transfiguration spell

not a conjuration

[astral ether]

Chocolate frogs? She must've visited France.

[worthy trench]

so its notdealing in any food limitations

[worthy trench]

yah well we can eat anything when you get down to it

it just may poison ya if u do in some cases

[frosty venture]

I mean hey, if it don't kill ya, it can only make ya stronger

[worthy trench]

I mean.... if u try eat or drink lava good bye

watch as wizards use magic to remove the heat

but can they remove the other poisonous stuff in it

[frosty venture]

Good point

Like magic is well magic

Can you burn away the bad stuff while its in the body

[worthy trench]

uhhh

well i don't wanna test it

u understand

[frosty venture]

But like the body has pores

[worthy trench]

I'd like to keep my insides intact

and my life intact

[frosty venture]

MAGIC

[worthy trench]

well i don't have that

[frosty venture]

It will fix it all

[worthy trench]

yah so il just go see wong or dr strange

[frosty venture]

Dr who

Does he live in Hogsmeade

[worthy trench]

oh im sure he's been there some time

may have posed as a crazy man

[random moon]

Magic isn’t limitless. There are rules and restrictions.

Magic on a microscopic level would require such a level of precision that they just can’t do.

That’s why they tend to use potions more for medical purposes, rather than magic itself.

[worthy trench]

And ive realized that no we can't technically eat everythinh

cos we die trying in some cases

like u have to be insane to attempt eating magma

[frosty venture]

I mean

Theres some crazy mages out there

[worthy trench]

ok I'd hope they wouldn't try

cos there's plenty of already non fatal options

like chicken

[frosty venture]

But why live life like a bore

[worthy trench]

well if some wizard wants to do that thats their choice

though i advise against it

[frosty venture]

I mean lord fish face turned himself into a noseless freak

[worthy trench]

Well he wasn't of sane disposition

i do wonder if i had a choice in the nose loss or not

regardless he didn't' seem to care

[frosty venture]

Maybe he needed more air

Too much sewer air

[worthy trench]

i mean he's immortal

so he doesn't need his nostril hairs to filter bacteria i guess

[frosty venture]

I mean hes just immortal

I would assume he can still get sick

[worthy trench]

Ya'd think

but who knows

magical sickness he could get

and we know some mundane ones

but they can cure most of both

[frosty venture]

Or like maybe sole sickness

Soul

[worthy trench]

i mean that only had one cure which was beyond him

[frosty venture]

I mean Harry and the team did a real good job fixing that

[worthy trench]

well the actual cure which was healing the soul

that was beyond him

so HP did what had to be done

gave him the choice

he rejected it

and sealed his fate

[frosty venture]

After what

Like 100 chances

[worthy trench]

Well AD wanted to give him one when he got to the school.

Then again when he went for the DADA job

LV just wasn't going for it

HP again in book 7

So he got 3

at least

[frosty venture]

Still more than fish face needed

Dude should had been killed right off the bat

[worthy trench]

Tried and failed after the war began And impossible literally by then

until nagini died

[frosty venture]

Nagini

So sad

I liked her

Even as a snake

[worthy trench]

Assuming she's not complicit in all of LVs horrible acts, yah sad

If she is complicit then not so much

[frosty venture]

Nah, im sure she was 100% willing and ok with what she was doing

[worthy trench]

Its unclear cos she became a Horcrux at one point

and AD noted even as Parselmouth LV had unusual control over her

so its unclear how much of it is on her as a snake or not

[frosty venture]

I mean she was prob happy to be able to talk to someone

[worthy trench]

Alas she chose him

i bet he offered to cure her malediction

or try to

and well that wasn't happening

again if they met when she was human

if she was a snake she may well have lost herself to her affliction by then

we know her story won't end well in FB

if she comes back

[frosty venture]

She gonna come back

Too cool noot too

[worthy trench]

We'll see

FB is in an unclear state

Like will there be 2 movies or just 1 more

What happens with Credence?

[frosty venture]

Idk

[worthy trench]

Does he die next movie or die off screen

etc

they got 13 years between 3 end and the AD GG showdown

[frosty venture]

I don't really know fantastic beast lore

I know its the same stuff but like

[earnest linden]

It’s based loosely on the same world. Some things taken out of context thus continuity of the hp books to suit better but otherwise the same lore. Bathilda bagshot and life n lies of Dumbledore Rita skeeter to be taken with salt.

Also Harry memory diving in riddles and co memories.

[blissful stump]

When Harry Potter morbed it make the whole cinema shout, it’s pottying time

[tawdry moss]

Makes sense

[agile pollen]

she ate the muggle studies teacher 😀

[humble grotto]

With the ps4 game will I be able to play on ps5 and upgrade to the next-gen?

[worthy trench]

Among other things. Yah as I said if she's actually complicit and has free will or enough to chose to partake in these horrible acts assuming she even has her human mind, memories, intellect etc anymore by then, then most won't be crying over her demise in book 7 i imagine.

Really depends on how much of the former human she was is even in there anymore by the time she met LV or did horrible acts for her

I doubt we'll we know unless JK tells

Like if she's being controlled and not acting per own will all through that time then she given a mercy kill by Neville

[stone matrix]

I believe the head canon of LV promised Nagini to be cured. Maybe even before they met when she was a full snake. She was an adult when he was at school so plenty of time between then and when he disappeared.

[stuck epoch]

think its been confirmed that he found her in a rain forest and made her into a horcrux then. so they have a good relationship because he is the only one who can understand her so she naturally stays with him and she is someone who cannot betray him so he naturally trust her

[worthy trench]

He only made her a horcrux post book 4.

How JK fits the FB Nagini lore into older lore I dunno

[stone matrix]

Yeah so far she is MIA in the FB films.

[sick night]

He turned Nagini into a Horcrux when they were using the Riddle mansion as a base of operations.

[stone matrix]

Wouldn’t the books have been so different if Dumbledore had gone to Frank and got him to help watch the house (which he was doing anyway). Instead of getting killed, he could have summoned Dumbledore and attempt to kill Voldemort without his body

Okay yes horcruxes… but he could have imprisoned him and no one would have known

[subtle olive]

Dumbledore at the time didn't put all that much stalk into the idea that Lord Voldemort would DARE return to places even kind of connected to Tom Riddle. I suspect when Frank Bryce ate it, his tune changed and he went "Well crap,"

[worthy trench]

Yah AD probably figured since LV wanted nothing to do with his muggle heritage he would never use any of the places that connected him to that as hideouts

[stuck epoch]

you good?

[umbral mortar]

Kinda off topic ngl

[waxen lintel]

Fine deal with him yourself

[stuck epoch]

nothing to deal with

[timid juniper]

Tf?

[short bolt]

Just finished this interesting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMLfdUe2ldw

[modest plinth]

thats not you is it?

[worthy trench]

I think a reference to Herbert Varney would be cool since he died only the year prior to MC starting

Heck I'd like some vampire expansion in general but JK decided she couldn't add much there to it.

Also they don't seem to have some of their classic traits like immortality nor seem to be living dead or undead either

And who knows if they have any other traditional powers and weaknesses minus needing blood to survive

or a desire to drink blood

[short bolt]

No, it isn't me

[fluid wolf]

Who's got the Alter wand?

[stone matrix]

Elder wand? Unknown

[modern moth]

Isn't it broken when Harry snapped it and threw it into the valley above which the Hogwarts bridge is located?

[stone matrix]

I think the question was about 1890

[modern moth]

ah

[sour garnet]

In the movies that happens, but in the books he wants to return it to Dumbledore's grave - we never find out if he managed that but it's assumed he did.

• Historically Gregorovitch had it before Grindelwald stole it some time after Dumbledore finished school and before he fought him so likely 1920's - 1930's but he would have been too young to have held it for long before it was stolen so by lore it was probably overseas somewhere in that time

[worthy trench]

It's either in Gregorovitch's hands or another person by 1890

We dunno how old Gregorovitch actually was when he died but he was i assume older then either AD or GG given he was a wandmaker which i assume takes along time to learn and master and then build up a rep.

[wicked roost]

I don’t see him being older than either tbh, the wand was owned by either arcus or livius prior to gregorovitch which could have been any amount of time up to a century

[boreal shuttle]

Since Gregorovitch was already a renowned wandmaker by 1926, he was definitely at the very least close to them in age.

And yeah, as Jdot said, we really can't know for sure who the wand belonged to during the late 19th century, especially considering that it's unlikely for every known owner to be known to history.

[wicked roost]

Gotta love a wand with no loyalty 😂

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, especially in the case of Dumbledore: "Oh, you've been my master/owner for 52 years? Tough luck, you just got disarmed by a school boy in a non-combative scenario while being exhausted beyond belief. Bye!"

[wicked roost]

Yeah that was dirtyyyyy

[copper fractal]

Sharing these photos here as they are of Hogsmead station in Goathland Uk, though ppl might like them.

[trail spindle]

Remember that’s what a true niffler looks like

[umbral mortar]

Lol i don't think they have the bodies of snakes

[stone matrix]

I’ve been there 😊

[brave echo]

It would have been great if you removed your finger.

[violet leaf]

anyone else think it would be nice if our character could be an metamorphmagus and be able to change our character's appearance at any time?

[wooden horizon]

I approve! 👍

[umbral mortar]

I would want to see more metamorphmagi in hp world

We only know of Tonks and Teddy

Although there's one in Hogwarts Mystery too

[random moon]

Metamorphmagi are extremely rare.

[random moon]

There will probably be an appearance altering thing we can do with potions or something.

[vivid owl]

And Delphini

[hard crow]

Omg HP 4 on DS

[trail spindle]

Yes, the true beast

[umbral mortar]

She wasn't a metamorphmagus

[vast imp]

are we talking bout the hp lore or hl lore?

[stuck epoch]

Both

Kinda same thing as hl lore is based on the already existing hp lore

[vast imp]

are u like every where on the server?

[stuck epoch]

No only in theory and here

[vast imp]

its not. hl is before hp

[stuck epoch]

Its based on the lore

[vast imp]

but yes if u were to think of the origin lore then yes it would be the same

as the founders play a big part

[stuck epoch]

There is lore from way before hp and hl is based on the lore we have (mostly atleast)

[blazing plaza]

5 head move, for character customization

[fair coral]

For customization 😂

[olive flint]

I wonder if you can choose if you are muggle-born, half blood or pure-blood since it could affect dialogues.

[fickle rock]

Depends, but if you choose to be pure-blood you get put at an elevated status

[indigo pelican]

the sacred 28 was written in 1930 so i'd assume blood status wasn't as big at the time of the game

[fickle rock]

True

But I do think blood status has always been a relevance

All the back to hogwarts creation

When they argued whether or not to let in muggleborns and half bloods

When the pure blood population was much higher

[indigo pelican]

in the chamber of secrets book binns says that slytherin viewed muggleborns as untrustworthy

[fickle rock]

Yeah, blood status

He planted the seeds

So it’s always been relevant

Especially from 1500s onwards when muggles started focusing heavy on lineage

[indigo pelican]

i agree but i think the sacred 28 made it a much bigger thing

[fickle rock]

It’s only normal wizards and witches would do the same

[fickle rock]

I think it was as big before than too.

[indigo pelican]

maybe for muggleborns but it would have made the view of half-bloods worse

[fickle rock]

Mudblood was made before the sacred 28

And halfbloods could be viewed as middle class

Halfbloods can become a pure blood in their lineage

In the wizarding world you need 3 concurrent pure blood generations to be considered pure blood

Which is why Chao Chang was a pure blood.

But not on the list

[indigo pelican]

potter wasn't on the list either, neither was weasley

both of those families were ancient

[fickle rock]

Weasley was on the list

Potter was considered a blood traitor

Terms that were used before the sacred 28

Mudblood was before sacred 28’

[indigo pelican]

i didn't realise weasley was on it since they were considered blood-traitors

[fickle rock]

The weasleys weren’t considered blood traitors then I think

But the weasleys are no longer considered pure blood

I don’t think any of their kids married purebloods

And considering they didn’t have many cousins

I think their isn’t a weasley line that’s considered pure blood anymore

Same with gaunt

Gaunt is just extinct

Same with Potter’

Even tho they weren’t on the list they were still pure blood

But I think only 16-17 families on the list still are considered pure blood families

But many of those 16-17 are locked in prison

Such as the pure blood Carrow twins

They can’t have kids so their line will die out unless they have cousins or other siblings

[indigo pelican]

bills children might be considered pure-blood but i'm not sure if fleur was pure blood given she was part veela

[fickle rock]

Yeah she’s not completely human perse: so she would be considered half blood

The malfoy family is still pure blood

Considering malfoy married a pure blood

Harry grandchildren could be considered pure blood if any of his kids married a pure blood and had kids

Harry was more than a pure blood than Voldermort was because both of his parents were wizards

[indigo pelican]

i know about that bit

[fickle rock]

But it takes 3 generations of “magical pure blood” to be considered pure blood

Lilly with James, Harry with Ginny, and then his kids with another pure blood

Then their children would be considered pure blood

[indigo pelican]

neville's children might still be pure blood but i don't know if hannah abbots parents were both magical

luna's children should be too

[fickle rock]

Yes but you need to marry pirebloods

Not half bloods

[indigo pelican]

luna married rolf scamander who i think was pureblood

[fickle rock]

They would need to keep marrying and conceiving with purebloods

[fickle rock]

He’s half blood

At least I’m pretty sure although his status isn’t confirmed

[indigo pelican]

oh, i assumed he was pureblood but i haven't seen it confirmed anywhere

[fickle rock]

Yeah. He’s not confirmed but it’s assumed half blood

Not many people considered “pure blood” left

And those that are are either too old (Olivander) or locked up in Azkaban

most of the death eaters were pure blood supremists

[indigo pelican]

i think there might be enough across the world but not in britain

[fickle rock]

Maybe, but most magic in other places of the world are very different. There’s even magic that don’t require wands. That’s a strictly European thing that was transferred to America

[indigo pelican]

maybe, but i'd say even europe should have enough pure-bloods

though the number of people that care about blood status would also play a part

[random moon]

These are better suited to #🤣memes tbh

[dusk summit]

You need to sort yourself in a house first to be able to post images in memes #🏰choose-your-house

[wicked roost]

For the people that didn’t understand the genetics in the previous conversation this is how magical genetics work

[snow quiver]

last one is mud-blood 😍

[glad chasm]

Haha

Geez

[wicked roost]

Oof

[glad chasm]

Eat slugs!

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-mrw-ron-harry-potter-gif-4981943

[umbral mortar]

Pure-blood and Half-blood can also make Pure-blood

[wicked roost]

No, it can’t

[umbral mortar]

To be a pure-blood you need parents and grandparents to not be muggle/muggle-born. So depending on what kind of half-blood one of your parents is you can be a pure-blood. In theory you could be a pure-blood even if your parents are considered half-blood.

[wicked roost]

In theory but not actuality, there’s a reason half blood is the most populated type of magical heritage

[umbral mortar]

Well people like the Blacks for example wouldn't consider someone like that a proper pure-blood, but most still consider thst a pure-blood

[wicked roost]

It’s not really a blood issue it’s a society standard issue

Supremacists just made up the blood purity propaganda to warrant more respect and standing in wizarding society

Hell the malfoys got their fortune from manipulating muggle trade

[umbral mortar]

Yeah that's kinda obvious

[wicked roost]

I compare it to culture vs ethnicity

[prime trench]

Half-breeds were also a thing weren’t they? (Basically siren(?) x wizard etc)

Or were they just pushed into being halfbloods?
I ask cuz was slowly reading down this and I remember someone who was pretty knowledgeable telling me that other magical “creatures” like werewolves/sirens etc would have half-breeds

[random moon]

You mean Half Veela?

Half breeds would… well be considered half breeds. So loans as they had a magical parent and capable of integrating into Wizarding society they’d be begrudgingly accepted but also have to suffer prejudice for being a half breed

[prime trench]

Edited my response a bit better but yeah that’s what I mean! I’m a bit rusty on the names.
But that answers my question!

[boreal shuttle]

To be fair, this is another topic JKR has made a few contradicting comments about. Some of her takes can be laid out as a pure-blood being someone with no Muggle or Muggle-born (grand)parents but as you said, we have no actual example of that. Furthermore the pottermore/WW article about pure-bloods states that they have no non-magic blood whatsoever.

But yeah, since the latter is the way more recent and official source, it should be prioritized here.

[umbral mortar]

It does seem a bit contradicting. But if we go by the latter then really nobody is a pure-blood

[boreal shuttle]

I think that's the point, it's supposed to be a hypocritical. Most pure-blood families have had numerous half-bloods to avoid inbreeding and they probably lie to themselves by arguing that said half-bloods didn't have any immediate Muggle ancestors and thus their blood isn't polluted, even if it's still "lesser".

But yeah, the whole system is kind of a straw man either way.

[tropic oracle]

How do house pointings work? For example, if you gift 5 points to Gryffindor, does it count or something? Is there a magic spell where when you say it, it will count on the points? Or do they have to list it down itself? Cause if you do then prefect duties are exhausting...

[boreal shuttle]

Afaik we don't have direct confirmation on that, but over the course of the books it's heavily implied that the addition and deduction of points magically adjusts itself within the hourglasses.

If it didn't, Snape really wouldn't have had time to do anything else but adjust points by hand lol

[tropic oracle]

really? it has been in my mind for a while, it would be rlly cool if they control it if you say it, and it can only be deduction or addition of points by prefects and teachers

[boreal shuttle]

Yes, that seems to be how it works - as soon as a gain/loss of points is verbally stated by a professor, prefect or the head boy & girl, the score magically adjusts to reflect it

It also seems to be intricate enough to recognize that prefects can't deduct points from other prefects and can also be adjusted on the fly because members of the Inquisitorial Squad could so in OotP.

[tropic oracle]

wait, about the book 5 about the Inquisitorial Squad by umbridge, they were able to take and add points, how does one gain control? or is it never mention in the books

[frank jewel]

Wasn't there some indication of this in the books, like Harry noting he could see them lose points as it was said

[tropic oracle]

could be adjusted? how so?

[boreal shuttle]

I'm 99% sure that's the case, yes. But I'd really have to dive in to find the exact position in the book/s

[frank jewel]

if I remember it, it's like 80% chance it's in book 4 or 6 as those are the ones I know the best

[boreal shuttle]

That we don't know, presumably by the headmaster and each individual head of house.

[tropic oracle]

that being said, maybe it was binded by some ancient law or something that the headmaster- presumably Umbridge who she was a headmaster at the time did lol.

[frank jewel]

According to the wiki prefects can only deduct points from their own house too, idk if that was mentioned

[tropic oracle]

not rlly, i think i recall draco removing points and abusing his power

dont think he would remove points from his own house

[boreal shuttle]

Draco was a member of the Inquisitorial Squad though. I think we never actually see a regular prefect deducting points from a member of a different house.

[frank jewel]

Just a quote from the wiki:
"It is stated that prefects are allowed to dock points from students in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. However, this idea is diminished in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix when it is stated that prefects are in fact not allowed to do so. In later editions, however, it seems that, with the exception of the Inquisitorial Squad, prefects can dock points only from their own house."

[tropic oracle]

i think it was mentioned in the train ride to the 5th year that he was gonna abuse his power? umbridge was not at that time or she was the headmistress at that time

[boreal shuttle]

You can still abuse it by handing out detentions, favouring your own house etc.

But yeah, canon isn't completely clear on that and I don't think JKR has ever directly confirmed anything in that regard

[tropic oracle]

oh yes thats right, i might have misinterpreted book 5,

"In book 2, Percy takes away points from Ron when Ron accused him of only being worried about Percy's chances at being head boy. But in book 5, it is mentioned that prefects can't take away points when Malfoy takes away points from Gryffindor."

why didn't Voldemort make his wand a horcrux?
Voldemort was obsessed with magic and his own superiority through it. you would think that his wand, the biggest representation of magic that there is, that he keeps by his side at all times, and that through his mind was an artifact of Hogwarts's greatest trained wizard, (himself) would be the perfect horcrux over let's say his diary.

[boreal shuttle]

Maybe because he thought that in the unlikely (not so unlikely after all lol) event that he'd ever be defeated/vanquished, the wand would undoubtedly be destroyed as well or serve as direct evidence as to the existence of his Horcruxes for the likes of Dumbledore? Basically giving it up for free and making himself even more vulnerable. Good question though.

[tropic oracle]

might be, yes good question, but he never really thought of losing in the first place 🧐

[boreal shuttle]

True, but he still made contingency plans for all of his horcruxes except the diary, which he intended to be used as a weapon.

[umbral mortar]

It was in OotP when Mcgonagall was awarding point to Gryffindor and Ravenclaw. When she says the words, the points just get added

[frank jewel]

Ay cheers

Funny I remember that as I don't listen to the 5th one a lot

[boreal shuttle]

That's right, directly after the DoM fiasco. I was pretty sure that was it but didn't want to treat it as fact, cheers for that.

[umbral mortar]

Speaking of prefects. I thought that they were able to deduct points from students, but not from other prefects, as Ernie told Draco in OotP, when Draco was taking points from Hermione and Ron. But in earlier versions there was a mistake where Ernie said that prefects weren't allowed to deduct points in general. I may be wrong tho

[boreal shuttle]

Yep, the the quote is based on an earlier draft, as you said. They can 100% deduct points, we're just not sure if they can deduct points from members of other houses.

[umbral mortar]

Ah i see

[frank jewel]

JK was never super consistent anyway

most of the time it just seems like whatever works for the story is how it goes

[boreal shuttle]

That's the one

But yeah, JKR isn't known for her lore and worldbuilding consistency

[rare knot]

Tbf I wouldn't envy her the amount of painstaking detail you have to think about every time you write a simple conversation and the consequences it could have on the wider world.

Even author's like Tolkien just completely ignored earlier versions they wrote and revised their own lore anytime they wanted to

[dusty mango]

Exactly, especially when theres a legion of plot hole researchers out there.

[boreal shuttle]

It's definitely incredibly hard work but there are still a lot of authors who are way, way better when it comes to staying true to their own established lore.

Imo her biggest flaw is that she sometimes retcons stuff for no reason because she feels like it and not because she forgot or it benefiting the story in a meaningful way - like the McGonagall situation.

[rare knot]

I mean many authors also retcon because they feel like it (Tolkien). But sure, there are authors out there that are probably more consistent. It doesn't bother me too much really. Nothing on the same level as some of JK's remarks about what Hogwarts students did prior to plumbing.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeaaah... the less said about the last part, the better lol.

[umbral mortar]

Lol in my mind that thats stuff never happened 💀. It's like a joke or smth. Makes very little sense

[rare knot]

It really keeps me up at night. What happens with first years that haven't learned the vanishing charm? Do they ask older friends to vanish the "evidence" for them? So many questions

Although it proves that JK is best at parodying herself. No onion article could have topped what she wrote herself.

[umbral mortar]

Yep. Also toilets existed before that

[rare knot]

She was definitely drunk when she tweeted that.

And tbf I would do something like that to troll my fans too

[boreal shuttle]

The best part is that it's literally an O.W.L. level spell, fourth year at the earliest. Seems problematic when more than half of the students can't perform the spell correctly or at all lol

[rare knot]

It never fails to make me laugh tbh. It could have simply been holes in the floor in designed "toilets" with a permanent vanishing spell put on them. But no - she went for the weirdest possible option.

[umbral mortar]

I like the idea of the vanishing spell on the toilet itself

[worthy trench]

She didn't even need to answer a question that probably no had asked

[coral elk]

hello fellow kingdom hearts fan

[worthy trench]

Hi there

May your heart shine brightly in the Darkness always

Too cliche?

probably

[coral elk]

The arguments you have presented seem believable

[worthy trench]

So its a shame no one ever invented an enchantment that prevented anyone who ever gave into their inner darkness once in their lives or from entering/exiting a place or from grabbing or using an item of importance. Would have been handy if so.

[vivid owl]

And what would you consider "inner darkness" ?

What you may consider "evil" someone else may merely say is "bad"

And if you created a spell that blocked people who have committed murder from a place, then how could it tell such a thing?

All questions that would concern such a created spell

[worthy trench]

I guess the caster can put a definition in or magic itself defines it. I mean if they can make an enchantment that can tell whether a person wants to do or find or use something or not so as to prevent someone from getting it or a spell that can create a barrier that can detect loyalty to the caster allowing them to pass barrier safely, a powerful enough wizard i'd wager can create such an enchantment

[sick night]

Something I've always wondered; how did Grindelwald view Muggle-Borns? Did he think they were inherently inferior to half/pure-bloods like Tom Riddle did?

[boreal shuttle]

Afaik Grindelwald never cared for pure-blood supremacy.
"Magic blooms only in rare souls." - as long as someone was magically gifted, that seemed to have been enough for him.
This is of course circumstantial because he wanted to unite all of Wizardkind against Muggles, so he, being the master manipulator he is, would have said anything to appeal to the masses.

You can even argue that Voldemort didn't believe in it either and only used it as a means to an end, that being his campaign.

In the end it's tough to say because we never witnessed either in a normal scenario or through a direct PoV but "For the Greater Good" only ever suggested "Magic is Might", albeit communicated in different ways.

[surreal heath]

hey guys, i've been really intrested in wand lore but i can hardly find anything on it

only a brief comment on the woods and 3 cores

but nothing else

i wanna know about the other cores

how making them works

how the choosing works

or even the properties of the other cores

[boreal shuttle]

https://www.hp-lexicon.org/thing/wandlore/
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Wand
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Subtle_laws_of_wands
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Wand_core
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/wand-cores
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/wand-lengths-and-flexibility
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/wand-woods

You'll learn pretty much everything there is to learn in these articles and their associated links (in case of the lexicon and wiki). Some things on the fandom wiki are to be taken with a grain of salt though.

[surreal heath]

thanks mate

most of it i already knew but there are some new things there for me

i'm thinking to actually build my own wand at some point

[sick night]

I highly doubt Riddle didn't believe in it. After all, he commanded the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets to hunt down and kill any Muggle-Born students attending the school.

And when he took over the Ministry, all Muggle-Borns were prosecuted

[vivid owl]

Doing so is nice, though if you decide to use woods that don't have any canon info then I suggest looking up their symbolism and uses.

For example the two wands I've made from rhododendron. Looking at the mix of what the plants are like and their symbolism, I'd say that a rhododendron wand would find its best fit with someone who is wary, and may be a bit paranoid, though with a tendency towards either healing, poisons, or illusions.

If you decide to use something else that doesn't have canon info like say iroko or sapele or wenge or tulipwood or hickory or boxwood, then you can still come up with something for a personality match.

[boreal shuttle]

He hated Muggles and Muggle-borns by extension because of his own personal experiences, not because he thought the latter were magically inferior.

He was a half-blood and while he denied his heritage because of his upbringing, he was the personified antithesis to the idea of pure blood making someone more gifted/powerful.

But yeah, as I said in my original post, it's ultimately conjecture and just an argument that can be made.

[olive swan]

I think his anti muggle sentiment festered after his years in Hogwarts. While he was radicalised and xenophobic early on, his deep hatred towards Muggles reached its peak post his Hogwarts years before his return as Lord Voldemort.

I don't like the whole, people are born inherently evil rethoric. There are of course disabilities that can cause certain, let's say difficenies in regards to empathy and such but JKR mentioned once herself that if he had grown up under better circumstances, things would have turned out differently.

I'd wager, several factors lead down to his insanity and eventual spiral to commit mass murder.

[surreal heath]

oh that is an intresting idea. i love discussing wandlore and expanding the branch

more then once i had an hour long discussion on wand lore in my common room

i have a blackthorn/dragonheart wand myself, but that fits more with my playstyle and not so much my RL personality

[hardy wolf]

I saw someone with a Red Oak wand the other day. I loved it, it is better at dueling and produces quicker response than a English Oak wand. It was cool to see a new type of Oak. But now I want to be able to identify different Oak species lol

Unfortunately since Winter is coming no leaves or acorns and I have feeling the acorns are how you can tell some species from others

Might be leaf and bark variations too but as for bark it is sometimes hard to tell by bark unless you know exactly what you are looking for.

I am interested because each wandlore has truth added in so it makes me curious if medicines made by Red Oak are quicker acting, that would be interesting. Oaks smooth underbark is used in medicines but must be dosed appropriately

This also is why Oak itself is considered an intuitive tree it combines knowledge and wisdom. As for it's healing it is a sign of healing snd prosperity as well, though technicslly I did not find all of these in the Wandlore for the Oak. This is just all from my studies of the trees themselves

[loud basin]

Which type of wand wand do you have?

[hardy wolf]

English Oak

[loud basin]

Cool

I got sycamore

[hardy wolf]

The Red Oak is more uncommon

[loud basin]

Uncommon doesn't mean better

[hardy wolf]

I don't know much about Sycamore

[hardy wolf]

Every wood is unique, I got English Oak for a reason. Each has an area it shines and where it falls short. I would not change my wood for the world 😉

[loud basin]

The sycamore makes a questing wand, eager for new experience and losing brilliance if engaged in mundane activities. It is a quirk of these handsome wands that they may combust if allowed to become ‘bored,’ and many witches and wizards, settling down into middle age, are disconcerted to find their trusty wand bursting into flame in their hand as they ask it, one more time, to fetch their slippers. As may be deduced, the sycamore’s ideal owner is curious, vital and adventurous, and when paired with such an owner, it demonstrates a capacity to learn and adapt that earns it a rightful place among the world's most highly-prized wand woods.

[loud basin]

It's wand that likes adventures and I like it

[surreal heath]

oh boy here we go 😄

[hardy wolf]

That sounds great, you would excel in exploration than. That would be cool, though highly unlikely, that your wands personality would have the same effect as Felix Felicis potion. Though it is because of this fact I don't believe wands personalities will be a thing, In this game, perhaps in a sequel.

It is a new IP first off so they are focused on making it enjoyable. I have a unicorn core and I have a feeling I will still be able to learn the dark arts even with my wands unbending flexibility

[surreal heath]

i fully agree. i fully believee there is no such thing as 'the best wand'

[surreal heath]

yeah i have a LOT of questions about wands en game mechanics

your wand shoud have trouble with dark spells altough i think no wand is unable to cast "unforgivable" spells

[hardy wolf]

Unforgiveable Curses are dark spells is my point

Oh shoot I just realized Sectumsempra will not exist in this game

[surreal heath]

yeah i know, but i think if you try to cast one you'd stil be able to

it just wouldn't be amazing

[hardy wolf]

Possibly but the wand as whole is the reason I believe I wouldn't

My wands Unbending Flexibility means it won't change for me at all

[umbral mortar]

We don't know that much about wands to assume that unbending means not being able to use dark magic

[hardy wolf]

I have to bend where my wand won't. This means I am both resilient and spontaneous and canadjust better than one with a wand that adjusts to them

[umbral mortar]

Flexibility simply denotes the ability for the wand and person to adapt to change

[hardy wolf]

But the wand as a whole, it is a Unicorn Hair core

I can guarantee wand personalities, at least at launch, will not matter

Either that or perhaps if they do we can buy others?

[umbral mortar]

Quirrell had a unicorn wand too. He was able to use dark magic. Having a unicorn core doesn't mean you can't use dark spells. Look at Draco

[umbral mortar]

Yeah i doubt they'll matter

[hardy wolf]

Draco never cssted actual dark magic though that I remember

[umbral mortar]

He used imperio and crucio

[hardy wolf]

It does say they might in the wandlore, so I guess that does make sense. If they did add that wand personality thing they could makw it rng and when it fails you have to collect a new core or something, this level of polish won't come till much later, sequel maybe

[umbral mortar]

Unicorn wands are just harder to turn to dark magic, compared to like dragon

[hardy wolf]

@umbral mortar Draco did? In the books?

I am working on the books now

[umbral mortar]

Yes. He used imperio on Madam Rosmerta and Crucio on a fellow death eater i think

[hardy wolf]

I honestly believe it depends on the intention, why was the spell cast. Me I believe there is a correct time and place for everything.

If disarming them is not going to stop them from killing you, you respond back with equal or wiser response. If you can find a way to not curse them to death more power to you, but sometimes you aren't given the choice if it comes down to them or you so to speak

So maybe since my wand chose me it would understand I would never use unforgiveable curses just to show off

Or with dark purposes in mind

Even Harry percieved as the good guy used SectumSempra on Draco in their bathroom duel. His intent was not to kill but since it was dark he had some control but I believe also seeing what it had done it made him not want to use dark arts

I believe that was The Half-Blood Prince Snape's Spell he invented. It means to cut deep always roughly

They believe he invented it after James ended up with Lilly

He was kinda an expressionist

[surreal heath]

isnt flexibility sort of a "you won me so i'll stick to you"?

[hardy wolf]

Unbending just says the wands personality is set in stone, no user can make it bend to them. It is the "Pickiest" wand personality.

Slightly flexible means it only chsnges for it's first owner. To everyone else it will appear unbending

Still it makes each wand completely unique

The Wand that chooses you always regardless of Flexibility will work better for you than anyone else but at the same time that doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't allow certain things but at the same time they also could do just that.

[loud basin]

Wand

[hardy wolf]

That is why I made the argument it could be rng based. Try to learn the dark arts there is a possibility it could fail killing the core but you find another core, replace it and try again. Though this most likely will not be in HL but possibly a second title

If it does get incorporated in this groundwork title I will be super surprised and also ecstatic but regardless it will be a great game

[surreal heath]

you can take your house and wand to the game but not your patronus

so i think wand have some kind of stat

why else make such an efford to make a wand shop and put 2500 wands in the game if you're just going to use it for the looks?

[hardy wolf]

I hope so this would be badass if even they did wand personality to some extent

My wand core is known for the most consistent magic so perhaps it gives every spell a small buff but say smaller than a specialized wand for something. That wand would subtract from some areas but give a huge boost to the type of spells relating to it's personality

It will be interesting to see how they do this, if in fact they do. It is an open World RPG so this is such a badass idea

[surreal heath]

`well

you could make woods have different stats

like how you have one handed swords have less dmg but more attack speed then 2handed

[hardy wolf]

That too

[surreal heath]

but that would mean that wands have set stats

and you would buy new wands to fit your casting style

[hardy wolf]

Like Red Oak wands say they are better for dueling because they cast faster than others

[surreal heath]

yeah

they's have a +2 attack speed or something

[hardy wolf]

That really would be interesting, wands, cores, length and flexibility add/subtract stats for each wand

[surreal heath]

honestly i dont expect them to invent the new game mechanic. (like how the 1st assassins creed did with wall climbing

so i'm not putting any money on advanced wand mechanics aswell

but i think wands have some minor effect

[hardy wolf]

For sure, this is all hypothetical

But it is just different ways to mske each wand feel differently without having to sacrifice gameplay

They most likely will keep it much more simple because this is the first of it's kind. After a groundwork is set the next title you can add/subtract things to make it even better

This is basically groundwork ^^

I will love it regardless, but extra polish such as that would be welcomed. Not needed but cool

[vivid owl]

Feel like you guys have branched into #🧠theories really rather than lore

[surreal heath]

Its lore+gamemechanics

As this still is a game discord i think it fits

[umbral mortar]

But if you theorise then it's better to probably use #🧠theories

[surreal heath]

Fine, back to wandlore it is

So i wonder, i am someone who does his work and makes some jokes from time to time. I like precision and calm environments. Im only agressive with words(preferably without swearing) when i see something thats unfair(standing up against unfair behavior) even if this is against friends/colleagues. I always manage to avoid physical fights even my words would invoke one.

What would my wand wood be?

on the wizarding world i have blackthorn/dragon but that is because i'd be a battle mage

[hardy wolf]

^^

I think I got what I did becsuse I am mainly into healing, defense and love people believing most to be generally good

Oak is also a sign of the application of knowledge and intuition.

[barren ivy]

Can someone explain to me the application of Walnut wand and phoenix core?

Specifically in combination with each other

[hardy wolf]

https://obversa.tumblr.com/post/127130550891/wand-analysis-walnut-with-phoenix-feather-11/amp

I found this, it is super in-depth

How flexible is the wand?

[surreal heath]

Ok so its a wand thats for the intelligent but only if the dude is selfish?

That with phoenix core means you can do basically any spell, invent new spells easily and cast them without problem. Also the eand seems to steer the wielder towards whatever benefits them both?

[hardy wolf]

I haven't looked up this flexibility but judging bt the name I would say it would sort of bend to not just the wand owners but maybe even to a new owner as well

[surreal heath]

I might have found my new evil wizard wand xD

[barren ivy]

As a slytherin it seems to be an extremely rare wand combination

[surreal heath]

Why?

Slythers can be intelligent

[barren ivy]

Phoenix feather is hard to turn to the dark side @surreal heath

[surreal heath]

No thats unicorn

[hardy wolf]

Yeah like my wand, it says hard, not impossible as well

[sly bramble]

Unicorn wand holders are almost always pure of heart.

[hardy wolf]

I got English Oak and Unicorn Hair

[barren ivy]

Slytherin for producing “dark witches and wizards”, the presence of walnut wands amongst a few members of that House has also added to the negative stereotype of walnut wands as being “easier to turn to the Dark Arts”. Yet, a noticeable difference in your wand, as opposed to the walnut wand of a Slytherin, is that yours contains a core of phoenix feather. Unlike the core of dragon heartstring found so commonly in Slytherin, a phoenix feather core is less prone to be turned to a Dark path

[hardy wolf]

Interesting

[barren ivy]

Sorry, “less prone” mb

It’s more based off stereotype and the fact that Walnut is more commonly ravenclaw oriented, with the combo of phoenix feather it seems to be one of the rarest for slytherin or so far that I’ve read. Then again I don’t know much about wands so I asked here lol

[hardy wolf]

Unicorn said it is difficult to turn to dark arts. Though nowhere does it say impossible. At the same time going against it's nature can stagnate the core making it useless as if dead. You can find another Unicorn Hair and change it.

[surreal heath]

Ah so its the core that makes it rarer in Slytherin

I disagree with the steriotype of Slytherin=99%evil

[hardy wolf]

Draco Malfoy had a Unicorn Hair wand

[worthy trench]

Well its from the POV of the heroes

[barren ivy]

There’s nothing wrong in being ambitious and cunning

It just so happens that most dark wizards tend to be ambitious

[worthy trench]

All houses show prejudice

and their prejudice to newer slytherins pushes them into the dark side of slytherin house

[hardy wolf]

The houses themselves do in a sense though not all therein each house are prejudice

[surreal heath]

Good one.

[worthy trench]

Even McGonagall sent them all to dungeons when not all of em wanted to give up HP which is not something I think Ablus would approve of

Ambition is just easier to turn to selfish ends

[surreal heath]

Yeah that was a shlong move on her part

[barren ivy]

I will be playing like how I feel myself as… Gray, I don’t believe that all spells should be locked away, there are those that are inherently evil and wish to corrupt but then there are others that were originally meant for good just used for evil means

[surreal heath]

Altough i think non of them actually did anything during the battle

[worthy trench]

Seems the blood puritism in Slytherin didn't take root until a later stage even when the Founder of it was supremist of it

[surreal heath]

Or where they send down before?

[hardy wolf]

I think everything is fair game but has it's proper place and time

[worthy trench]

Some went to get help later i think and are amon the defenders i think when they get out

[barren ivy]

They were sent down to the dungeons at first, then few came back to help

[worthy trench]

Hmm

[barren ivy]

From what I see it looks like it would be hard to transfer ownership?

[hardy wolf]

Aww I was guessing based on wording, was going to look it up later

[barren ivy]

https://sites.google.com/site/wondrouswands/home/flexibility

[hardy wolf]

@barren ivy yoy're right

[barren ivy]

This is what I looked at

[hardy wolf]

You're right

Curious what does it say about Unbending Flexibility?

I don't see this on that

I was wrong about my own Wand Flexibility. I was explaining it wrong.

I love how it has both strengths and weaknesses ^^

[surreal heath]

I think my wand is hard AF

[hardy wolf]

Hard flexibility?

When I saw Unbending I thpught it meant literally unbending as in it was the most stubborn wand lol

[surreal heath]

i think walnut might be a good fit for one of my playstyles i'm planning to do

[halcyon geyser]

Although I’ve taken the wand test a couple of times and sometimes I get different results lol

[hardy wolf]

I always get the exact same result lol

[hardy wolf]

No one knows yet, but I have a feeling Wand personalities won't be a thing but every wand and wood might add different boosts

[viral badger]

#🧙wizarding-world-passport-channel @safe crow that would be best in passports

[hardy wolf]

Thanks @viral badger

[viral badger]

Np

No worries

[hardy wolf]

@safe crow I sometimes put stuff in the wrong spot as well, it happens ^^

[fast canopy]

Does anyone in here know weather the leaky cauldron could be in the game and when it was released

Same with the three broom sticks

[shy gyro]

three broomsticks is visible in promotional material. I didn't notice the leaky cauldron.

[random moon]

The Leaky Cauldron is in London, not the Scottish Highlands.

So I don’t think we’ll see it

[lusty relic]

shame. but understandable they wouldn’t include yknow, the city of london

i wonder how borders will be enforced tho

sorry wrong channel lmao

[fluid belfry]

I would like to explore Diagon Alley though.

[stuck epoch]

ever been to a shopping ally its like that just with different shops if you havent its not that great

[zealous zealot]

Are there any characters from the book that have this type of wand 👀 ?

[umbral mortar]

As far as we know no.

[oak parcel]

nope

[hardy wolf]

I heard Merlin, who also was Slytherin had my same wood ^^

English Oak

[zealous zealot]

Ahh I see, thanks for the reply

[fringe vale]

the descriptions will be under your items on the website. it will tell you what your selections mean and a bit about them.

You can also go to the #🧙wizarding-world-passport-channel and looked at the pinned links. : )

[boreal shuttle]

#lore message

[native light]

thanks 🙂

[viral badger]

@native light these wand and passport belong in #🧙wizarding-world-passport-channel and welcome to the server

[raw bolt]

i prefer australian oak

its pretty much the same, just abit more criminal

[hardy wolf]

Criminal?

[raw bolt]

Welcome to Australia

[hardy wolf]

Australian Oak wands don't exist in HP world. There is someone that did wand meanings if they did a fan fic where the School was Australian but Australian Oak was not even labeled among them.

Which surprises me, but I could find physical meanings elsewhere for the tree, this topic is for HP lore only ^^

[dusty mango]

Because we stem from English convicts

[hardy wolf]

@dusty mango and @raw bolt we should move this to #😎off-topic I find it personally intriguing but doesn't belong in Lore ^^

[shy gyro]

I read that Hufflepuff takes in all those students who don't fit into any of the other houses, even if they don't align with the Hufflepuff values either...

[timid juniper]

And is that a bad thing?

The way it's phrased "takes all those students who don't fit" makes it sound like hufflepuff is the throw away house. I wish the author phrased it better

[modern moth]

Uagadou

[shy gyro]

I wish it was phrased better too, because it does make it sound like the throw away house. And it seems like several characters in the books think so too...

[timid juniper]

They've done us dirty

[shy gyro]

I'm sorry I don't know how to phrase it better either. I don't think that's a bad thing. It allows for people who aren't one of 4 specific stereotypes to still be in Hogwarts. Thus a good thing

[shy gyro]

If you ask me, you got the best common room hands down. In Hogwarts Legacy.

[timid juniper]

Still think the Slitherin entrance is the best

But I'd say the Griffindor entrance is the most iconic

[shy gyro]

The Slytherin entrance is awesome. Agreed.
I like the Ravenclaw one too. But when it comes to the inside of the common room, Hufflepuff is clearly the best.

[timid juniper]

Oh for sure, very happy that they put so much attention and detail in a common room never seen before. Tho, all of them look fantastic

[modern moth]

I like Ravenclaw's room

[timid juniper]

If u had to rank them?

[modern moth]

but all the rooms look nice

[modern moth]

like best to worst?

[timid juniper]

Ye

[modern moth]

Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, Slytherin, Gryffindor

[timid juniper]

I would say the same but raven and huff switched

[modern moth]

yeah the Hufflepuff one does look quite nice and i like the hanging plants

[timid juniper]

The devs did a great job with it all

All houses

[wicked roost]

I don’t read into it as being negative, I read it as someone not having a standout value or trait being sorted there, hufflepuff isn’t the house of eccentric like ravenclaw, it’s the house of variety

[rare knot]

Tbf JK Rowling said that writing the Hats Songs was one of the things she hated most doing and found extremely difficult.

And while Hufflepuff is the house I would probably fit least into, I acknowledge that if the world was full of Hufflepuffs it would be a much better place

[wicked roost]

I agree

[dusty mango]

:))

[raw bolt]

We'd never cure cancer

[rare knot]

You'd be surprised what hard work can achieve.

[raw bolt]

Althought to be fair, not much luck so far

Maybe we just need more huffles

[rare knot]

Looking at the state of the world at the moment - being nice, loyal and hard-working working is something we definitely need more of.

[tropic jewel]

Weird qwuestion but how do birds know where to deliever a letter/package? I don't think it was ever addressed how they knew exactly (especially since the birds used tend to seem to be more mundane than magical in nature) where to take it or who to give it to. Especially if it was in different countries (sender to recepient)

[rocky sierra]

magic

you're welcome

[tropic jewel]

yeah....i should of figured that xD

[random moon]

Owls in the WW universe are magical.

[umbral mortar]

Owls have a natural affinity to magic, so they can find the recipient without knowing adress. Although the person could only be found if they wanted to be found. And the owls have to be trained to some extent.
Here's more info: https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/owls

[tropic jewel]

okay good to know

[worthy trench]

Poor pigs

I guess the myth of Hen Wen the oracle pig isn't based on fact in WW verse

[raw bolt]

We don't talk about owl post

it just.. works ya know

[hardy wolf]

Also Owls are naturally intelligent as well ^^

[shy gyro]

The Black Couldron, a Disney movie. That's the only place I ever saw Hen Wen the oracle pig. Didn't know it was an actual myth.

[worthy trench]

Yah its based on some Welsh Myths. The Black Cauldron is based on the Chronicles of Prydain books which in turn are based on Welsh Mythology. However I'm not sure if the pig is capable of prophecy herself in the myth or its that a prophecy existed that regarded her in the myth. Either way prophecy is involved.

[shy gyro]

If you can turn tables into pigs, you can turn other things into pigs.
And there was a scene where McGonagall turned a desk into a pig and back in the book, purely for demonstration.

[shy gyro]

Either way, that's cool.

[modest yoke]

Guys here is the book posted on instagram

An unauthorised guide to hogwarts is this book

https://www.wizardingworld.com/news/pottermore-presents-ebook-series-published-september

Its the red book in the middle

[brazen bobcat]

We know, ingame its called the filed guide, we get more info on it later

[raw bolt]

We have seen it multiple hundreds of times

[limpid trail]

Is this channel only about HP lore or can you talk about other lores

[umbral mortar]

HP lore

[frail kayak]

Maybe, they create a character surprise and important for ravenclaw.

[sick night]

Did Minerva know Voldemort's real name?

Was she a professor when he was still attending school?

[sour yew]

I believe so

[modern moth]

1938-1945 for Voldemort's years, McGonagall started her career there in early 1910 so yea

fun tidbit I learned while looking that up was that apparently in her first set of students was none other than Newt Scamander

[harsh fossil]

For her to start in the early 1910s, she would have to be born in the 1890s or earlier, making her 100 or so in Harry’s time. (Though wasn’t she born in the 1930s or smth?)

[vivid owl]

Original lore had her born in like 1938 due to her being a prefect when Pomona was at Hogwarts and as Pomona has two possible start years of either 1942 or 1952 with the latter being the more likely one, then that'd mean that Minerva started school in 1947.

The problem is that that is all old lore

[sour yew]

They need to open up WW lore to other authors to expand on it all

[vivid owl]

And the fantastic Beasts films basically rand all over it

[hardy wolf]

This

[vivid owl]

Cos we know that Minerva wasn't teaching at Hogwarts when Riddle was a student and that Fumbles was the transfiguration teacher from like 1920 through to when he became headmaster

[boreal shuttle]

Eh, I don't know if that'd be such a good idea. While parts of the EU in Star Wars were very good, most of it was below average nonsense. I really don't want other authors messing with the lore even more - I mean, wasn't Cursed Child enough?

[wicked roost]

We it also doesn’t make sense that dumbledore was teach DADA bc he was originally a transfiguration professor

[vivid owl]

Also we know that at the time of the Fantastic Beasts movies, that Galatea Merrythought was the DADA professor.

As she's the DADA professor up until 1945 and Tom tries to get her job after she retires.

[boreal shuttle]

Dumbledore teaching DADA is a loophole though and doesn't directly break canon, unlike the McGonagall situation. We only know that Dumbledore taught Transfiguration when he became a professor and before becoming Headmaster and that Galatea Merrythought was a professor at Hogwarts for almost 50 years.
It was never stated that either of them taught their respective subjects exclusively - I know, it's far-fetched but JKR had some actual breathing room there.

It is very likely though that she simply decided to change the events further after she had already aged McGonagall for no reason, which is a bummer.

[modern moth]

The game will change or bring new stuff to the wizarding world canonical line ?

[boreal shuttle]

HL isn't canon for now. That might change later on but for the moment it's an independent work based on official canon.

[modern moth]

Ok thank you I got it now 🙂

[stone matrix]

Annoyingly the fandom wiki is full of lore from Hogwarts Mystery which I think shouldn’t be lore. But I kind of would like HL to be lore 😅

[modest yoke]

I dont think you paid attention to my link , i give you the whole book to read right now

[modest yoke]

I gave you the link to read the whole book not the instagram cover post

[hardy wolf]

I skimmed it, sounded like it was talking about ebooks centered on the wizarding world. I didn't see anything about HL? Was that the right link?

[modest yoke]

Hogwarts an incomplete and unreliable guide

Thus

Totaly unauthorised

[hardy wolf]

Oh lol

It figures, giving too much is not a good idea with months left ^^

[modest yoke]

I am so surprised noone , especially not even youtubers still havent solved that this is the book

It is literally like in front of their faces the whole time

[hardy wolf]

That is interesting, how did you figure it out? If I may?

That makes so much sense though

[modest yoke]

By investigating the internet

[hardy wolf]

I like how they didn't just come out and say it though. I hope the games puzzles are going to be similar

[sturdy wagon]

Butter

[craggy moon]

can anyone explain to me that weird burn baby thing harry saw when he “died”?

[vivid owl]

That was a piece of Moldyshort's soul

[random moon]

That was the fragment of Voldy’s soul that was latched onto Harry

It’s broken and frail because Voldy’s soul was in bits.

[earnest linden]

So. This might be #🧠theories but it centres around lord and wording. And as we’re fairly certain wizard spells tend to be quite literal. So here goes.

If the killing curse kills you outright, but you manage to survive, or say the caster doesn’t quite wish to mean death could it not “kill” something inside you…..

like a cancer or metaphysical thing. After all it’s a curse.

So if the spell isn’t entirely meant with the proper level of unadulterated hatred or the intent would it not still work but at a weaker qed slower rate?

[earnest linden]

Not to mention a soul is a whole, the diary was a half. Every time after that was halved, then halved again. So what’s in Harry is a 14th as Voldemort made 7 horcruxes.

[shell sage]

What spells kill you besides Avada kedavra?

[earnest linden]

Bone breaking curse. Blood boiling curse.

Pretty sure leviosa off the astronomy tower if your disarmed would kill you.

As would a well timed diffindo to a particular vain.

And who says I’m dark wizard half of those a school kid spells.

Lol

[shell sage]

What about confringo?

[earnest linden]

Just realised Hogwarts and magical world let’s students and teachers to carry extremely versatile weapons and get away with traumatising students. Re reading goblet of fire. Moody got permission to cast imperious on students during his unforgivables lesson.

[earnest linden]

Imploding jinx. Probably, chest caves in and lungs get punctured by ribs.

Isn’t magic wonderful.

To an adult audience.

???😁

But like that doesn’t change my question. .. or a theory of someone less if the killing curse is designed to kill as quickly and efficiently as possible but cannot be fit whatever reason be cast at its full would it not stand to reason to curse someone with death over a prolonged period as the magic settles into its role of intent.

Like a poison or venom courses through the victim

[vivid owl]

An evil way of using normal charms is hitting someone with a load of cheering charms and then telling them jumping off the astronomy tower will give them a reward, and basically wincing at the end result.

really the killing curse is probably the least imaginative part of HP lore

[stuck epoch]

Believe it either kills or fails it may be that it inflicts a fatal wound/strong wound if you dont really intent to but we dunno

[stuck epoch]

And kindest kind of killing you could do

[umbral mortar]

Wouldn't too many cheering charms just result in a fit of laughter. I don't see how one would jump off a building?

[boreal shuttle]

I think to really answer that question we'd need to know how the Killing Curse works on a fundamental level. We basically only know that it kills without leaving a trace and that it failed to do so when used by Voldemort against Harry due to very specific circumstances, that's pretty much it.
So what exactly does it do? It doesn't target the soul because that would leave the victim in a vegetative state similar to the Dementor's Kiss. And it doesn't target the brain or the heart because neither of those would lead to an instantaneous death without any further physical signs that turn up in an autopsy.

I think we simply have to argue that it quite literally just "destroys" the victim's very life with magic & intent and thus an incorrectly cast version should simply do nothing at all. I do think you can make a case for it having been used as a base to create spells that do what you described though*, theoretically - I mean, in the original version/translation JKR used as inspiration, being "let the thing be destroyed", said "thing" is literally meant to be illness.

*or the other way around

[earnest linden]

Hmm. An interesting idea. I so wish Harry took arithmancy and ancient runes on the books. Literally every fan has commented on them two subjects being the basis of spell theory.

And could have offered insights into how spells are created in the universe that is Harry Potter.

[earnest linden]

I wonder why the shape of Harry’s scar is that shape.

I mean I get it’s the location for Tom’s horcrux but a spell that doesn’t leave a mark gets to leave behind a scar….

Makes more sense for lily to have prepared the scar earlier…

https://tenor.com/view/gaara-crying-naruto-tears-gif-8653505

[stuck epoch]

Its the wand movement you do for ak

[earnest linden]

Is it? That’s cool.

[stuck epoch]

So its kinda more symbolic than anything else

[earnest linden]

Hidden symbolism. Love that in a book. Is like an Easter egg.

[stuck epoch]

Yes and as it was initially cast on him he had the scar not his mother although she was the reason he survived

[worthy trench]

Some spells were likely designed with the intent to kill by the inventors but only one kills outright by default if it hits you under normal circumstances. The others won't kill by default.

[indigo pelican]

i'm pretty sure casting reducto on a person would kill them

[worthy trench]

It probably just causes all the targets vital organs to shut down all at once instantly leaving them dead.

[worthy trench]

Yes most likely but that's not likely the intended use by the inventor

[indigo pelican]

it'd still work

[worthy trench]

The intended use is what's important. AK is the only known spell where the primary and indeed only purpose is death to the target

[indigo pelican]

fair

though from what i understand it's instant so should be painless

[worthy trench]

Yah

The spell was made to end duels quickly from what I read online

[indigo pelican]

yeah, out of the three unforgivables ak doesn't seem that bad

you could almost certainly use it for euthanasia

[worthy trench]

I mean that would be one use were I think no one would dispute its use.

Mercy killing if the alt is prolonged painful death

[boreal shuttle]

That sounds way too mundane and clinical for Rowling, she usually goes for fantastical things. It also doesn't fit the theme of Voldemort losing his entire body when the curse backfired on him

[worthy trench]

Well his soul was in bits when it happened so that's not a normal effect

we know this cos later he dies rrom same curse and his body remains

dies instantly

and mundanely

[indigo pelican]

it might force the target's soul from their body

[worthy trench]

If it doesn't remove the soul from the body entirely it kills you by shutting down all your organs at once I say

[boreal shuttle]

Sure, but the literal translation of the spell is still "let the thing be destroyed", which further suggests that it quite literally destroys the life of the target - since Voldemort still had his Horcruxes, his entire body was destroyed instead.

[indigo pelican]

it states that it leaves no trace as to why someone had died, i think people might pick up on multiple organ failure

[worthy trench]

I mean there's no explanation for said organ failure

It leaves nothing they can detect

hence why they know its the AK

[indigo pelican]

yes, but organ failure would explain the death, there are explicit statement that there was nothing wrong with the bodies that would cause death

[worthy trench]

I mean it doesn't explain the spell causes the failure of the organs

Like they don't seem to know anything about the spell's mechanics other then it kills what it hits

Like how does it do the actually killing. What process does it do this by

[indigo pelican]

thats why i think it doesn't cause organ failure, people would notice that

[worthy trench]

I mean being dead is ur first clue

that the organs ain't working

Ultimately we dunno

[indigo pelican]

the organs aren't working but they didn't fail

[worthy trench]

May guess is takes the soul out

but my other is instant organ shut down

[boreal shuttle]

All we know from canon and Rowling's comments suggest that it targets your very life, not in a biological,- but in an overarching way.

[worthy trench]

The latter though leaves chance for revival maybe

cos brain death does not occur immediately. Doubt wizards know of that though

[indigo pelican]

i think it forces the soul out but instantaneous shut-down if all of someone's organs could work

all organs including the brain

[worthy trench]

Then its a soul thing

[boreal shuttle]

As I said in my original post, that would leave the victim's in a similar vegetative state as the kiss of a Dementor.

[worthy trench]

Its not clear what the corralation between soul and brain/mind is for sure

[indigo pelican]

it could be both

[shy gyro]

Now that's a topic in itself. One origin for Avada Kedavra I came across is that it's a play on Abracadabra, for which I found several translations, and even Wikipedia listing several of them, without picking a definitive one. One of those translations is "I create as I speak" and thus the death curse in Harry Potter could be spun around to mean "I destroy as I speak". The "Kedavra" part resembles the word "cadavre" for rotting corpse. So it could be "I create rotting corpses as I speak".

There is also a different origin I think I came across, but that might be something I dreamt or something, because I can't find that video anymore. It was a video with Jason Isaacs talking about the scene where Lucius realizes he just lost his elf servant and freaks out.

[worthy trench]

Well it doesn't in this case if so

[indigo pelican]

remove the soul and shut all the organs down at the same time

[worthy trench]

The tihng in movie 2 is actor's fault

its the only spell he knew so he used it

he was just told say a spell

[indigo pelican]

yeah, though he doesn't finish so it could be a different spell, but unlikely

[worthy trench]

It makes lucius in movie look more evil and stupid

yes lets kill this kid in the school near the headmasters offices

yes that'll end well

[shy gyro]

According to the video, he didn't even use an actual spell, but just random syllables he came up with on the spot, and Rowling used those later to create Avada Kedavra, retroactively making Lucius attempt to murder Harry.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, Rowling was directly inspired by an old Aramaic spell and the original of abracadabra, the aforementioned "let the thing be destroyed", which she then put her own spin on. She was generally fantastic at stuff like that

[indigo pelican]

it'd make sense if he was aiming at dobby, but it's still stupid

[worthy trench]

You can hear Avada when he speaks

Ultimately she got it from what Bryden said by all indications

From the actual word abracadabra

[random moon]

Wasn’t it a case of the actor didn’t have any direction and someone else on set suggested Avada and The actor didn’t realise it was the killing curse until after?

[indigo pelican]

that's what i've heard

[shy gyro]

Yes. Back then, again, according to the video I once saw but can't find anymore, it was just syllables he came up on the spot. He was meant to cast a spell, didn't know any, so he want like Aaah Vaaah Daaah... And 4th book wasn't out when this was shot (Again, according to the video. Don't remember if that's actually true or not, I'd have to look it up) and when Rowling came to creating Avada Kedavra, she used those Aaah Vaah Daah sounds Jason Isaacs made.

The "Rowling made Avada Kedavra from Abracadabra" and the "Rowling took the random sounds Jason Isaacs said to make the spell" are two origin stories I've read. (watched, whatever)
Maybe one is true and one is bs, maybe they are both partially true, and maybe they are both bs and the truth is actually completely different.

[random moon]

He mentions it here

https://youtu.be/Gn0PVENZnpw

[boreal shuttle]

The 4th book came out in 2000 though and the CoS movie was filmed in 2001 and 2002.

[random moon]

He says he was talking to a grip on set who suggested Avada Kedavra so he started to say it in the scene

[random moon]

I posted a link to an interview he did where he says that as he didn’t know any spells, he asked a random grip on set who suggested AK and as Bryden has said, the 4th book was already out by the time CoS was being filmed so she can’t have gotten it from random syllables

[worthy trench]

Ok so that settles it

[shy gyro]

It does

The video I saw did have a few snippets from the one you linked, but with the part about him asking a staff member, and him suggesting AK, missing. Also it had blurry images of JK rowling with narrator voice explaining all that. Maybe it was an april fools joke I saw long after april fools, so I took it seriously? IDK. Maybe I'll never know.

[limpid trail]

If muggleborns go to hogwarts and stay there for 9 months lets say

How wont other muggles not realize that hes missing in the family for 9 months

[umbral mortar]

I've thought about this too. I assume they'd tell they go to a boarding school, but idk what kind of school name they'd give

And i wonder how many relatives would know

[limpid trail]

Yea but
If they say that they go to boarding school

[shy gyro]

Well, the parents know. They are being told alongside their kids. They just don't take part in those experiences and are meant to keep the thing a secret from friends, neighbours, other family members, etc. Make up a story about a boarding school, as said already.
At least that's what we as the audience are supposed to believe, while reading the books/watching the movies.
I highly doubt that this would work out long term.
Especially if the kid is being bullied, tortured, or otherwise harmed. Parents don't like to see that and not being able to do anything about it. And It's not really easy to keep a secret from close friends and family. Especially if it's as big as "My Daughter is learning magic! Actual, real magic!"

[limpid trail]

Then they can see that he isnt there

Yea
But still
They can see that he isnt there im boarding school

[umbral mortar]

That's why i said idk what kind of school name they'd give

[shy gyro]

My wife suggested another way to include muggleborns into magical society, while involving the muggles less and importing less muggle culture into the magic one: Take them in a lot younger, place them with wizard foster families, and memory wipe the actual family and their closest friends.

Certainly not what happened to Lily or Hermione. So not as a theory what happens instead, but as a suggestion what they could do instead.

[stuck epoch]

There are some schools in my country that are like hogwarts where you stay on schoolgrounds at all times and sleep there till holidays and then you get home

So its not that far fetched

And honestly who would bother checking that if the parents say so

[stuck epoch]

Probably what a boarding school is but not to sure

[random moon]

Yeah that sounds like a boarding school

Parents are probably instructed to lie and say that their kid got paid for tuition to a private boarding school in the countryside.

Maybe they’re given enchanted papers to show to anyone asking that look legit and aren’t questioned by anyone reading.

A Boarding School would explain the long absences of the student. So it wouldn’t really be questioned.

[stuck epoch]

Yep and i dont see any reason as to why someone would question the parents if they say so

Unless you’re from the government or something but friends/neighbors/family would just take their word generally

[random moon]

The Muggle government (or at least certain members) would be aware about Mugglebown witches or wizards being sent to Hogwarts so it wouldn’t be investigated

[hardy wolf]

In some Countries Boarding Schools are common as well. Once a kid reaches a certain age you send them off for a school year. I don't know quite how I feel about that as a Dad myself because I would want my son to be able to spend time with his family if he so chooses.

[umbral mortar]

Wow that's a dark theory. Would be interesting to see how that would work. Imagine the muggle-born finding out

[stuck epoch]

Yes certain members but if ones who arent come looking the it would make sense to have magic formula like you said

[earnest linden]

except that euthanasia is a way of ending a life with dignity the ak requires extreme levels of hatred

also while we're in lore can we do away with the tempus spell it makes no canonical sense just look out a window or buy a pocket watch

[random moon]

AK doesn’t require hatred, just the willingness and intent to kill.

If you don’t have that, the spell won’t work

[earnest linden]

the book says need hatred to be able to cast any of the unforgivables

[random moon]

You have to really mean it for it to work

[shy gyro]

As I said, not a theory, but a suggestion for what they could do that isn't "leave them in the dark until they are 11, then show up and invite them to Hogwarts and get the parents involved, risking our exposure in the process, and let them carry muggle beliefs and values into our society" or "leave them in the dark forever, and kill those who know already"

[earnest linden]

that too not arguing that tyou need the unflinching intent just that like the patronus need an emotion to feed it too.

and that the difference between euthanasia and murder is a the intent and b the ethical practice that goes with it.

[random moon]

Not necessarily. Snape cast it on Dumbledore and while he perhaps didn’t approve of Dumbledore’s plans, he respected him and didn’t hate him. He was doing what was necessary for their plan. He truly intended to kill Dumbledore but it was a mercy killing as he was already dying slowly from the cursed ring.

It was cast on the old groundskeeper of the Riddle house. I don’t there was much emotion felt towards him, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time stand killing him was simpler in Voldy’s opinion. He truly intended to kill him but here wasn’t any big emotion behind it. The man never wronged him, he was just an inconvenience

[earnest linden]

i mean he may have, the muggle in little hangleton was on the payrll of riddle jrs fathers

but i suppose your right in the other instances. the desire to inflict pain is required above anger

and pain for the sadistic pleasure of causing pain. as much as the desire to use someone else as apuppet.

i wonder if legilimens are better able to use imperio? considering the nature of skill that is legilimens

being a mind magic

and imperio being a spell to render control over ones body and dominate their mind

[random moon]

Intent and the right emotion are more needed for Crucio, intent is what’s mainly needed for AK and Imperio is a little different. It isn’t made stronger by emotion. And it’s the only one of the three Unforgivables that can be resisted with a strong enough mind and experience in Occlumency

[earnest linden]

harry resisited it with out occlumency and wasnt very accomplished in occlumency, granted pretty sure snape didnt teach him in the right order if the purpose is controlling your mind then meditation should have ben the first step not just empty ones mind

i find it funny that evrey lore discussion i bring up we all end up debating *how *the spells work and why

when that was never mentioned in the book

[olive swan]

#poorworldbuilding

[random moon]

Sure, but Snape considered the power needed to use Occlumency effevtively was the same as what you used to resist Imperio.

Plus Occlumency is a fortifying and defending of the mind from outside penetration so it makes sense that it could also help in resisting Imperio

[random moon]

I mean, you’re not wrong lol.

Lots of blanks that need to be filled in either after the fact, or through your own interpretation lol

[earnest linden]

yeh wasnt depating that hence why im considering a person skilled in legilimens could be considered quite skilled in imerio as both require domination over anothers mind

[earnest linden]

particulaly from tt game ideas

and how to make spell rulings lol

[hardy wolf]

Truth, which isn't necessarily bad. If an opponent no materr what comes at you with intent as a last resort taking theirs in exchange for yours is not considered an evil act, if that makes sense.

AK becomes a Protection Spell at that point

[earnest linden]

sounds like a best offense is good deffense

[random moon]

Though Legilimency was just invading a mind to be able to travel through it correctly and be able to interpret what is found correctly.

It’s not controlling a mind, just accessing memories, thoughts and intentions. Mind reading essentially. But they can’t exert control over it

[earnest linden]

unless the person theyre activley trying to read is an occlumens

...?

[hardy wolf]

For me anyway, my character will be very defensively minded, at least at first. I am afteral a Ravenclaw and want to learn as much about my opponents before, if necessary putting them down.

[random moon]

A skilled Legilimens may find other kind related spells easier to do but they’re not necessarily stronger

[earnest linden]

sounds like a slytherin tactic

[hardy wolf]

Not at all

[hardy wolf]

Well yes and no

[random moon]

Yeah someone with skill in Occlumency would be able to defend themselves and fool a Legilimens

[hardy wolf]

Depends on their ambition ^^

[earnest linden]

i would have thought hte raven approach would be undermining and negotiation to have a no conflict solution

much like say logic battles

[earnest linden]

see im a slyth my reasoning is always find their weakness and exploit

[hardy wolf]

It also is Ravenclaw because it gives them opportunity to learn attack patterns, say like Elden Ring. Possibly withput taking damage, or much while allowing to see if there is another way aside from killing or knocking them unconscious

[earnest linden]

alot of the times without being seen

so gonna be learning invisibility and notice me not and many others

and stealth my way around

and just be smart about my opponents

[earnest linden]

i have yet to prchase ands download elden ring.

[hardy wolf]

That is cool too, will most likely use every advantage

[earnest linden]

hmmm

i like the shadows

was probably why i loved the first 4 assassins creed games

finally a game where your in the shadows and not seeking active confrontation

[hardy wolf]

I see character only using stealth after learning in head on battle. Experience is the best teacher. You learn or possibly die trying

That spunds partly Gryffindor now... but the reason is still Ravenclaw minded

After I know the enemy intimately, even if stealth goes badly I have experience to fall back on.

[boreal shuttle]

I don't disagree with your overall reasoning but I do think that a part of Snape definitely hated Dumbledore, not that it matters in this particular case.

I think many associate the spell with hatred and strong negative emotions because it applies to almost all wizards & witches who actually use the spell. But there are definite examples of it being used almost nonchalantly (like Barty Crouch Jr. killing the spider during DADA), which further proves that it's mostly about skill and intent.

[shy gyro]

Does it actually say it requires hatred, or does it "just" say it requires intent?

[random moon]

AK doesn’t require hatred. Just the will and genuine intent to kill.

[boreal shuttle]

It only requires skill and strong intent, as Siren said. It's less sinister than the Cruciatus in a lot of ways.

I still think that it's not suitable for a mercy killing though, at least for the vast majority of wizards and witches.

[shy gyro]

There are other reasons for killing than just hatred and mercy. I would argue that self defense would be an even "purer" one than hate, because Hate is rationalized fear.

[boreal shuttle]

Self defense lacks even more in intent than mercy killing though. And hatred being "rationalized fear" is a huge generalisation considering it only applies to very specific circumstances.

e.g.: A Pure-blood hating Muggle-borns could be interpreted as rationalised fear but the same can't be said about Harry hating Bellatrix.

[shy gyro]

Fair

Either way, there is always a reason for hate.
It doesn't appear in a vacuum.

And to the one who hates, the hate always appears justified

[hardy wolf]

Not necessarily, self-defense can be just as lethal as full intent, or even moreso if one realizes to preserve themself they need to end the other. Though I am defensive as an example someone threatened my son I would not let them leave alive if the threat was legitimate. The same would go if someone threatened me legitimately.

You can kill easier if justified, intent comes with and it can be stronger in justification ^^

Hardened resolve basically

[earnest linden]

you gyuys make harry potter sound like bleach with resolve

https://tenor.com/view/ichigo-ichigo-kurosaki-bankai-zangetsu-tensa-zangetsu-gif-25689425

[hardy wolf]

I love Bleach, but that is not what I was going for. I remember that though, but if you think about it it kinda is true

"When you cut, you strike to kill."

[boreal shuttle]

When you fight to protect your own life or that of someone you love, that still remains your main objective and to be willing to kill to achieve that is just a means to an end.
If your main intent is to protect, that should go against the very nature of the Killing Curse.

Killing in revenge should realistically be the only scenario where the spell could potentially work for a "normal" witch or wizard.

[hardy wolf]

Not talking of revenge, merely talking in real terms. If you push me, my resolve that is more the frame of a sword without a blade will slowly turn to rigid teeth and finally a blade of my own characters resolve. Meaning without Malice I realize there is no other choice so my hands are clean. Justification literally will make my resolve diamond, unbending like my wand. I could kill more easily than just someone seeking revenge, because the thing they wanted to pretect is already gone. They would be doing out of anger, acting out of anger is essier. I know I have done stupid things out of anger and it usually hss worse consequences whereas being justified and saving one before your forced to reaxt from anger your resolve is completely controllable and the only target that falls is the endangering one. If you need more proof that justification makes it easier to kill just look at The Knights Templar that was killing Witches in the name of righteousness. Only those people they killed spoke out against the atricities or against the leaders, most that were killed, if not all were not witches at all. No matter what once accused you would be killed one way or another. If you died early, you were not a witch, but if somehow you survived they called you a witch and executed you. They justified even killing the supposed non-witches with righteousness. They literally thought what they were doing was right. But perhaps we should agree to disagree because you might not ever see it my way, whereas I understand your thinking but to me who is easily angered and can easily do stuff I regret in said state keeping my cool works way better with less negative results/consequences.

[boreal shuttle]

You do realise that we're still in the official #lore channel and talking about the needed intent behind the Killing Curse? Like, damn.

[hardy wolf]

I do see that point but am also saying from a psychological aspect it could still be pulled off with a cooler head and resolve just as easily. Maybe more easily was taking it a bit far. I believe it could have equal power either way was how I meant it.

But I also am sorry for bringing non-lore into the Lore channel @boreal shuttle I was just trying to show my logic behind it being possible, no other reason. Also sorry for arguing.

[boreal shuttle]

I do get what you meant to say, for what it's worth. So let me offer a real response on the matter because my last post wasn't really one.

For the Killing Curse to be successful the caster needs to really want to end the life of someone else.
To put that into perspective, let us compare it to the Cruciatus because we have an actually applicable example: the Cruciatus also requires great skill and intent but in its case the required intent revolves around causing pain and taking pleasure in said pain. When Harry tried using the curse on Bellatrix he very likely hated her more than Voldemort in that very moment and he absolutely wanted her to feel pain, to share in his pain; yet the curse simply wouldn't work for him because at this point it was not in his nature to inflict pain and enjoy the suffering of others - that changed later on because the war and his experiences changed Harry as a person, enabling him to successfully cast it against Amycus Carrow.

So we can safely assume that simply wanting to kill someone won't be enough to succesfully cast Avada Kedavra, because it has to be part of your very nature to be willing to quite literally destroy a life. For some this is something they're born with while others can potentially reach that point due to circumstance and/or their experiences (loss, pain, hatred, growing into yourself etc).

[hardy wolf]

In this context I can see from a lore perspective what you mean. I think I understand now exactly what you mean. Not only needing the skill but the raw feeling of truly wanting to cause the harm/kill depending on the curse. I am so sorry for my misunderstandings, I am fairly new so have a more like reality based viewpoint because of my lack of understanding surrounding HP/ww lore. Now I really see what you mean though putting it into perspective like that. Thank you as well for explaining it for me and sorry for my ignorance.

Also @boreal shuttle I learned a lot, now this is the kind of productive conversing/debating I like as well. With substance and learning involved ^^

[boreal shuttle]

You're one of the few people who actually keep this channel alive, so never be sorry for that. And it's all in good faith anyway, no harm done

[wicked roost]

What it do boys

[hardy wolf]

I actually also gotta try to get back to sleep it is 4 AM sore throat woke me up again. I am laying here about to pass out actually. Again thanks and also hey there @wicked roost

[wicked roost]

If people would focus on what is there already rather than speculating than we may have a more active lore channel

[wicked roost]

See you buddy we’ll definitely talk sometime this weekend have a good one

[boreal shuttle]

#lore and #🧠theories mix a little too often, I can agree with that.

[hardy wolf]

🪄 keep it magical and light bros ^^

[wicked roost]

Is your pfp original? I love it but never asked lol

[boreal shuttle]

I googled "young godric gryffindor" and took the first one I liked lol. The magic of google! Just had to make some changes to it so it matches the discord background because I was too lazy to make it transparent.

[wicked roost]

It’s pretty dope I like it, what drew you to gryffindor?

[shy gyro]

You can't discuss lore without going into theories, the lore isn't deep enough for that, and you can't discuss theories without also discussing the lore, so I think it makes very little sense to have that as two separate channels.

[boreal shuttle]

There's a difference between a theory and an educated guess. It's definitely possible to discuss many aspects of the lore without needing to resort to constant guesswork.

[worthy estuary]

I see what you both mean but you would have to have the intention,understanding, and personal ability to use the 3 curses , especially as already stated Harry couldn't cast the Cruciatus curse on Bella at the time but could do it to Amycus later on

[olive swan]

Meh, since the book was told primarily through Harry's eyes, we are missing a lot of details, the finer details.

Just because something wasn't possible for Harry doesn't mean it's impossible. Period.

Just because Harry didn't know how to wield a sword doesn't mean no one in the Wizarding World knows how to wield a sword.

We don't know all the parameters that influence casting any curse or magic really. Going deeper into magic lore is wobbly at best. Heck, it's more surprising that it, Magic, is even taught to begin with.

I'd wager that not even JKR knows the real 'science' behind her magic. That's why the WW is great for fanfiction, since there are very few hard limits, compared to other series.

[boreal shuttle]

Pretty much all information about intent and spell requirements comes from other characters and JKR, not from Harry himself.

That being said, I do agree that JKR probably doesn't know any better than we do when it comes to stuff like that; or rather she doesn't care to know because it doesn't matter all that much for the kind of stories she wants to tell.

I'd love a deeper lore, a really well-crafted magic system etc. but as you said, we at least have almost endless possibilities regarding fanfiction because of it.

[silk prism]

Is there a starting point of Slytherins become dark wizards in the lore

[boreal shuttle]

They have generally been more inclined towards the dark arts from the very beginning, simply due to who their founder was.
Most of them simply weren't radicalists back then.

I'd say that there was likely a change in individual generations every time a dark lord was "around", same as the Slytherins during the time of Harry's children and after are different from the ones we saw in the books. Voldemort likely muddied the waters more than anyone before him.

[olive swan]

Meh. JKR adding something three years later or during an interview is whack to begin with.

From other characters, yes, and Harry takes it at face value. He never does his own research. I'm still not convinced.

[frank jewel]

JKR contradicts herself all the time, sadly

[boreal shuttle]

That's fair, I also don't consider many of JKRs tweets and comments during interviews to hold much weight.

[olive swan]

Did you change your house again?

[frank jewel]

Depends when you last saw me, but I rarely change my house

Also worth noting in relation to curses, specifically the killing curse, is that Harry rarely if ever even attacked his enemies. He almost always just tried to disarm. I think he really would be incapable of killing anyone, even if he really wanted to in the moment, because deep down it is truly against his entire nature. So basing any rule on what applied to Harry wouldn't necessarily be the whole truth.

[shy gyro]

That's a good argument for Harry being Dumbledores puppet rather than the Hero he believes he is. But that's a theory I have, and not something to discuss here in detail.
What I mostly wanted to say is thank you. He actually doesn't do any research of his own, and thus very easily manipulated.

[boreal shuttle]

He's a martyred teenager confronted with impossible odds, of course he is easily manipulated.

Also Harry never believed himself to be a hero, so whatever this theory of yours is, it's flawed from the getgo.

[shy gyro]

I'm starting to get the feeling we won't find a single thing we agree on. Even if we tried.

[boreal shuttle]

That's on me tbh, I don't tell people often enough when I agree with them. You've definitely written stuff I agree with

e.g. the posts you made about Muggle-born children and their families a couple days ago

[rare knot]

It's extremely rare in lore channels to find people who either admit they are wrong or agree on something. I feel people who post in these channels are inherently stubborn. Myself included. Although tbf this is much better than some other ones I'm a part of.

[boreal shuttle]

Agreed. It's pretty civilized in here, especially if I compare it to some other servers and forums I've frequented over the years - Star Wars discussions were always the real nasty ones for me personally, met some really unpleasant people there.

[rare knot]

I'm glad I've managed to avoid Star Wars. The LOTR fandom has scared me since ROP released (no matter now questionable the new series is), which is sad considering I do love LOTR. The only community I really engage with on Discord is with Elder Scrolls. But damn those lore chats can get heated and excessively pretentious.

This is much more chill

And I'm almost thankful JK Rowling is less inspired by a myriad of complex philosophical and theological contributions from around the world beyond mostly just Christianity. It's a little more straight forward.

[shy gyro]

The thing about the parents who can't be expected to keep a secret this big, or the one where the muggleborn children carry muggle culture into magic society, and it's magic society who must adapt to it?

[torn urchin]

ill be honest i feel like the lotr fandom is very elitist, agreed the series fails on every level except music and visuals, and some criticism i get, but they literally started to ban it ofr the minutest of details

[boreal shuttle]

Both, actually. They really have only two choices going forward and should have chosen one of them a long time ago: either adapt more to muggle culture & take from it everything they can or integrate Muggle-borns into their culture from the getgo, similar to the Jedi. Both have their advantages and disadvantages but with the way they have been doing it, it's a wonder that the Statute of Secrecy is still intact.

[shy gyro]

As I said, my wife suggested taking them in younger. Possibly right at age 6. According to a study from a neuroscientist 2 - 3 years ago, children learn their culture from age 6 to age 11.

[rare knot]

Tbf I don't think the series fails on every level except those two. The greatest offense is that most of the episodes were just boring. But some contributions, I didn't actively dislike, and some were actually intriguing. But I don't understand is how the frothing-at-the-mouth Tolkien gatekeeping haters of the series can't simply just...ignore it. Anyway we should get back to HP I feel.

[boreal shuttle]

Could be problematic for the Muggle-borns who don't show signs of magic until later but that should still be doable and not happen too often. I actually like that idea, even though many people would probably think of it as inhumane

[torn urchin]

Ill be honest we should take this to another Server Yeah. Cause i Do get most of the criticism

[shy gyro]

I also believe that they did adapt to muggle culture quite a bit already. For example, I believe the term "Dark Arts" to be imported from Muggles, as in the real world, it originated from the people who persecuted and killed supposed magic users, not from people claiming to be or believing to be magic users. And the term has adapted into the latter sort of people later on.
Also, Christmas, Halloween, Easter, Valentines Day, are imported muggle versions if you ask me. With wizard versions of those holydays, and wizard only holydays with no muggle equivalent, only surviving among old pureblood families, if at all...

[torn urchin]

Oh i definitely dont think they took much from muggle culture. They seem very ignorant about it and very apprehensive of someone trying to integrate it. As seen by how Mr weasly is treated. And how little they Know of muggle Innovations and auch

[rare knot]

I really wish JK Rowling put a little more world building into how wizards may perceive and celebrate Halloween and maybe some of the pagan celebrations differently from Muggles.

[torn urchin]

I feel like they just close everyone out after getting persecuted and then didnt Look back. And at the rate they are going theyll probably get found out and nuked

[torn urchin]

Ill be honest most of the World building we Do get is very surface Level of you Start poking holes a bit.

[boreal shuttle]

They took some major parts of it, like straight up copying the holidays Nero mentioned instead of having their own versions of them, and things like plumbing but yeah, overall they are extremely ignorant of the muggle world.

quoted the wrong person but whatever lol.

[shy gyro]

Especially early on when they miss their parents. Yes.
The alternative would be not accepting them into magic society at all, or completely throwing everything away that makes them them. And at that point, why keep magic?

[rare knot]

I'm of a mixed mind. On the one hand, writers have so much more creative freedom (with some obvious added difficulties) when they create an entire new fantasy universe. But I am impressed that JK Rowling achieved what she did creating a new world within the confines and limitations of our own. I just wish she maybe looked a bit beyond Christianity in some of the world building she did do.

[torn urchin]

Yeah no worries i got it

We understand each other bryden

[shy gyro]

The world building absolutely is surface level and paper thin at that. What makes Rowlings stories great is the detective-style mystery and the amazing characters. Not the worldbuilding.

[boreal shuttle]

I love HP and the WW and it's easily the franchise that is most dear to me for a lot of reasons but I can also see its faults. Honestly this is why I love fanfiction even though there is A LOT of nonsense in between the few very good stories. There's so much fantastic groundwork to build upon

[torn urchin]

I mean it definitely doesnt have detective style mystery. But good charachters ill. Give you that

[torn urchin]

Brave souls sifting through the Fan fic to find the little gems

I salute you

[boreal shuttle]

I get what he means though, its structure is often very similar to detective novels

[shy gyro]

That's not actually mine. Someone said that Rowling wrote a detective story set in a magic world, not a magic story. And I kind of see where they are coming from.

[indigo pelican]

it's like a detective novel but I think the golden trio are a bit too dumb to be good detectives

[shy gyro]

Agree on that one. Even tho I don't see that many good FFs, I did find an amazing one a couple years ago, and its annoying to me that I can't find it anymore.

[torn urchin]

Hmm Yeah i guess the steucture is a bit like that but thats the most basic steucture of almost every Story. Like statt here is a Problem try and find clues and then get to the solution.

[indigo pelican]

what was the premise?

[shy gyro]

There are a lot of stories that aren't as much about figuring out what the solution is, but about how difficult it is to actually apply the solution.

[boreal shuttle]

They're teenagers who sometimes make dumb teenaged decisions under high pressure - I mean, Hermione literally figured out the Basilisk before all the adults did, which is kinda embarrassing to begin with.

[indigo pelican]

i don't understand that anyway, dumbledore was there when myrtle died, he should know she came back as a ghost. it might be insensitive but as soon as the attack on mrs. norris happened he should have asked her how she died

[shy gyro]

Petunia in a psychiatric clinic. Like, a prequel to HP.
It's very detailed and very realistic. Not Hollywood asylum where you are tortured like they did 150 years ago.

[boreal shuttle]

I guess you can make an argument that Dumbledore wanted events to play out the way they did but that would be pretty dark. But it would still make more sense than him going "welp, no idea what's going on here!"

[indigo pelican]

I haven't come across anything like that before though it sounds interesting

[indigo pelican]

i understand if he wanted to let thing play out maybe, but he should at least have found out what the creature was as a security measure

[indigo pelican]

found this https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9040382/1/Psychosis

[shy gyro]

It ends with Petunia and Vernon moving into Nr 4 Privet Drive, after Petunia made her Recovery.
The last time Petunia and Lily ever spoke with each other was really impactful. I still get goosebumps thinking about it, and it was like 4 lines of dialogue.

[boreal shuttle]

He 100% should have figured it out, yeah. That's one of the reasons why CoS is my least favourite book - I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to a lot of things but Dumbledore not figuring out what the monster was or that a possessed Ginny was behind the attacks was too much.

[indigo pelican]

nevermind, i read a little and the one i found already has the dursleys at privet drive

[shy gyro]

I think I'm still gonna read the one you sent.

The one I was talking about was in German... So, yeah...

[indigo pelican]

yeah, dumbledore has had 50 years to work it out, how does hermione work it out in like 5/6 months

[indigo pelican]

oh, i don't know any german so i'm unlikely to find it then

[shy gyro]

Dumbledore wanting stuff to happen like it did, even if it means for many people to die, is what I base most of my theories on. But that one doesn't fit into what I have put together so far. So that is most definitely author oversight.

[indigo pelican]

the only explanation i can think of is that none of the books on basilisks explain that an indirect look i.e. in a reflection causes petrification

[worthy trench]

I do think AD could and prob should have figured out it was a Basilisk due to the petrification, (go through known creatures that can petrify, and the fact the monster is Salazar Slytherin's, a Parselmouth and has snake motifs all over anything associated with him.

I imagine someone had to know a Basilisk could petrify or at least put it together anyway even if its not known to do that normally

[violet hearth]

A twelve years old discovered about the Basilisk researching about it on the library. An adult could and should be able to do the same. But, again, it is a children book so children clearly will have more agency than they normally would in a realistic story.

There are things that will never make complete sense.

[glass kraken]

The teachers had much more on their mind, and they also have dramatically more preconceived biases which affect their decision making and creativity in solving problems

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, because Hermione had nothing on her mind - only schoolwork, worrying about her best friend who was being ostracized and brewing an extremely complicated potion that was realistically beyond her skills and knowledge over the course of an entire month with the added "bonus" of getting hospitalised for weeks; easy-peasy.

And while what you said has some truth to it, it's also an undeniable fact that the average adult - let alone a genius like Dumbledore - is much better at thinking outside the box than a child could ever be.

Plot convenience is the only sensible explanation for the enitre CoS fiasco and while this is perfectly normal in a lot of similar books, you really have to suspend your disbelief for this one.

[olive swan]

If always love the Dumbledore is a 'genius' part. JKR is the master of telling, not showing. Like, what exactly is it that makes him such a genius? It certainly ain't his planing.

[glass kraken]

She didn't have as much on her mind as the teachers, she could basically focus on school work and solving the mystery of the chamber. The teachers had 7 levels of students work to grade, they had worries about the school shutting down, some of them had to deal with parents. Dumbledore had already searched the castle, though he was a genius he was still human

[boreal shuttle]

That's also true, HBP is pretty much the only book where we actually see Dumbledore making smart decisions - not the he didn't make a lot of questionable ones as well - and having intelligent thoughts.

[glass kraken]

In the end Harry killed Voldemort, without Dumbledore's plans that never would of happened

[boreal shuttle]

She was a 12/13-year-old child who had way more on her plate than is even remotely normal for that age; and adults can deal with stress much better than children.

[glass kraken]

She also became the Mistress of Magic, she was clearly extremally intelligent, probably more so then many of the professors

[boreal shuttle]

I won't ever accept any of that tbh. JKR going "yeah okay" on twitter doesn't count - literally not a single part of Cursed Child can be found on the official WW site, for good reason.

That being said, Hermione was obviously very intelligent but not as intelligent as Dumbledore - he literally won international awards, had numerous of his papers published, held the position of youth representative in the Wizengamot and finished his own thesis all while still being in school. Hermione was exceptionally smart, Dumbledore was a once-in-a-century genius.

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/ministers-for-magic

She isn't even listed here and that would have been such an easy one to give Cursed Child some legitimacy. So yeah, I still don't believe that JKR truly considers the whole thing canon herself.

[glass kraken]

Yeah I don't disagree on the questionably canon part

I mean lets be honest: it's fiction it'd be lame if Dumbledore figured it out

[boreal shuttle]

That's what I'm saying, yeah. I can accept most things in fiction with that thought in mind - that particular situation somehow always bothered me though. Don't ask me why, it's not even the worst example of its kind

[glass kraken]

I just like taking the devils advocate side in things if nobody else is 😄

[glass kraken]

The worst example might be how Harry, a relatively inexperienced and weak wizard, managed to kill Voldemort, the most powerful dark wizard in recent history

[boreal shuttle]

I like doing that at times as well. If anything it almost always makes for a fun conversation

[boreal shuttle]

That one I have no trouble accepting because JKR actually had a fantastic setup for that. Voldemort literally created his ultimate nemesis in Harry and would have won if he hadn't been so set on fishing the job himself. That doesn't really make Voldemort a great villain but it really fits with the overall theme of the story imo.

Also gotta disagree on Harry being weak, the guy was an absolute powerhouse, he just lacked personal ambition regarding his magical education and wasn't especially smart - although I have always wondered if that was in part because of the Horcrux.

[olive swan]

This. If I had to go through what the golden trio dealt with 7 years with basically no break in-between, I would have some serious PTSD or some other psychological complications.

[olive swan]

Was more about self-inserting into Harry. Genius Protagonists don't make a great wishfullfillment story.

[boreal shuttle]

I actually like that about Harry, we get way too many genius/better-than-the-rest protagonists as it is.

I mean, he definitely achieved and overcame - Ron & Hermione as well by extension - way more than a child and teenager has any right to but still.

[glass kraken]

Idk about a powerhouse

[boreal shuttle]

Harry didn't have an impressive spell repertoire, so his power, reflexes and instinct were really the things that made him a natural fighter - he wouldn't have been able to hold his own against numerous adult dark wizards otherwise. Then we also have events like him casting one of the most powerful Patronuses of all time, resisting the Imperius curse (although that can be attributed to his immense willpower) and basically countering Snape's Legilimency - who was one of the best Legilimens of his time - with a simple shield charm.

I'm not saying that he was a powerhouse like Dumbledore, Riddle or Grindelwald but compared to regular wizards and witches.

[umbral mortar]

The info about basilisks in the FB textbook and the page that Hermione found both only say that the gaze of the basilisk can kill, and it doesn’t mention anything at all about how indirectly seeing the eyes only causes Petrification.
All the victims were petrified and therefore the teachers possibly didn't know about basilisk petrifying so they may have thought what beast petrifies all it meets. If someone died they'd likely realise it's a basilisk sooner

Also, Harry didn’t tell anyone but his friends that he was hearing a voice in the walls. So none of the teachers had the information to be able to make that connection that Hermione did.

Idk that's my take

[boreal shuttle]

Dumbledore had quite literally 50 years to figure it out though and simply asking Myrtle would have provided him the breakthrough he needed.

[umbral mortar]

And he didn't ask so yeah

Maybe myrtle didn't want to talk or smth. Poor myrtle

[hollow marlin]

murtle her self didnt know what killed her all she remembers seeing was a flash of yellow. but for the first few years where he probably would of wanted to ask he while its on his mind she was busy haunting her bullies. then the first was against voldemort happened and the issue with murtle would of been out his mind

[boreal shuttle]

"a pair of great, big, yellow eyes over by the sinks" seems like a good enough clue for someone like Dumbledore.

Also, did you honestly just suggest that the only student to have died from the incident/s slipped his memory? Especially after the chamber was re-opened. And that's not even mentioning that the killed roosters should have been a huge giveaway.

Seriously guys, stop trying to make excuses for an extremely obvious plot device. Dumbledore didn't figure out what the monster was or where the entrance to the chamber is located because the plot needed Hermione & Harry to figure it out.
That happens a lot in HP and stories similar to it, which is fine, the Chamber incident just really bothers me for some reason.

[shy gyro]

One way or the other, it doesn't make sense for Dumbledore not to ask, unless he knew from the very beginning and chose not to act for whatever reason.
One could argue that he did ask, and chose to keep it a secret, see what happens, and use the knowledge when it becomes necessary. But I can't think of a way how that makes sense either right now.

Until I do find a satisfying answer in-universe, I'll just say "Rowling was being stupid here"

[torn urchin]

I mean i thought we agreed on its not the most logically sound work of hers

but such is the bane of big series

[violet hearth]

For me the worst part of the series was definitely the House-Elf Liberation Front. The whole subplot was bizarre and the message behind it was odd, to say the least.

[torn urchin]

no slavery ?

[violet hearth]

Was it the message? It's actually said "Oh, the house elves of Hogwarts are happy being slaves". It was not what I took from that subplot.

Hermione is portrayed as trying to fight a loose battle because the slaves themselves didn't want to be free.

Everybody also treated her like she was exaggerating.

[torn urchin]

sounds dumb

which book was that ?

[violet hearth]

Goblet of Fire.

I guess she used the subplot as a way to include Winky more on the book.

But it was still lame.