🙎┃character-guides

[kind ginkgo]

all that's done to get the liht attack in

[olive sun]

skill game too

[kind ginkgo]

part of it

mind game is the hold checking

the rest is pure skill

[trail mango]

gotcha

[kind ginkgo]

dodging, attacking, backing off,...

[trail mango]

whats a good way to practice?

[olive sun]

you're thinking right but failed to execute then you still fked up

[olive sun]

sparring
lots of sparring

[trail mango]

damn

i cant even get step 1 done T-T

[olive sun]

the best way would be getting someone who's above your skill level to explain it to you while sparring with them

they will point out your mistakes

what you should or shouldn't do

[trail mango]

thats practically anyone since ive had the game for less than a week

[olive sun]

well i mean you can get better by just playing

just that if there's no one there to coach you you'll have to figure it out yourself

[trail mango]

sadge

[kind ginkgo]

in any case i recommend #🏋┃dojo-coaching 👍

this can always help

make sure to start from beginners tho; and make your way up

[sudden onyx]

Look up yt tutorials I’ve been doing that a lot recently

But someone who could coach you would do better bc you could get everything out the way if they know what they are talking about

[solar lava]

Havent been playing for 2 weeks now, how is justina after rework guys

[kind ginkgo]

Too strong

Needs a few nerfs 🤔

[arctic sinew]

hi any good glyph boards for cyra and feria pls

[kind ginkgo]

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[runic oriole]

ik that tessa just came out in showdown but does anybody have a build for her?

[kind ginkgo]

Try asking in #👾┃showdown 👍

Here we don't really know much about it I fear 🤔😅

[runic oriole]

i didnt have the channel activated lmao

thank u for the help

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[vernal sparrow]

which hadi ult do i play v1/v2?

[olive sun]

solo V2, team modes both are viable but usually ppl prefer V1 for the escape cube

[vernal sparrow]

alright ty

[kind ginkgo]

Isn't v1 the cube? 🤔

Unless they recently changed it

[olive sun]

idk me no hadi

😂

oh yeah u were right, v1 is cube v2 is burn

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

[kind ginkgo]

So V2 on solos , and v1 is the one with the cube 🤔👍

[exotic marsh]

Dumb question

But how do vets feel about the justina skill update

is it good?

Better than before?

[worn spindle]

better than before cuz more options

meta still better

[opal depot]

justina feels extremely strong

[kind ginkgo]

Not a vet, but she is was too strong atm

[exotic marsh]

How so?

What’s made her better?

[olive sun]

both of her F now just straight up better than before

• cleanse her off negative effects when she enter or get out of ice
• can get out of ice by using light attack, and when she get out of ice she got AOE knock back = free combo starter
  her V1 is basically the same but now you can cast V again to freeze enemies around (consume rage) and enhance your next dash to be old V2's dash (can freeze ppl in focus states except ultimate focus). Realistically speaking it's very situational but if you just use V1 like old V1 then there's nothing changed

V2 is quite busted in team modes, only 50% rage for a large area last for 8s that could freeze enemies if they enter and also block melee attacks, it's old V3 with yoto F3 combined, when enemies attack got blocked they also got staggered long enough for you to light attack and start a combo, you can also use heal items twice w/o worried about getting interrupted by melee weapon attacks

it's literally a ''no entry'' zone for enemies, well before it kinda is already but now it's even better

[slate sierra]

v2 also blocks ranged focus strikes, i was curious if i could smack someone with longsword blues while they were in v2 but the slashes "clanked" off the ult. Because it specified melee attacks but i wasnt sure how it would interact with an attack where my weapon never actually touches them melee wise

[exotic marsh]

That is OP

Can’t wait for OP kurumi

[kind ginkgo]

She already is 🤷🏻‍♂️

[exotic marsh]

nah

Justina was already good but now she supa strong

kurumi is already good in teams. But after the update she betta be supa strong so she can run solos

they better make her so strong they have to nerf her like 50 times

[little cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-paw-simpsons-wish-gif-22682473

Wish granted, she got nerfed 50 times, she is so weak no one remember her again

Imagine that happen

[main glen]

What’s the correct way to play Tessa

[kind ginkgo]

Keep her f to block combos, as you would for any combo breaker

And use her v as a soft combo breaker or a way to capture people

When someone is hit, they will try and interact with the orb, to cancel it, you need to defend in order to stun them

[main glen]

I play on console so the f is the first skill right

[kind ginkgo]

Do that and it's pretty much all you need for Tessa 🤔👍

[kind ginkgo]

Yes, f is the skill and v the ultimat

[main glen]

Ok ok

Thank you

So you can use her v as a combo breaker?

[kind ginkgo]

Soft combo breaker

It's not a combo breaker, but it works for all of the untrue combos, like repeated toothpick, weird interactions after u landed, ....

Can't break a combo, but for example, toothpick into uppercut for DH and DB isn't true, although, if you have high enough FPS or low enough ping it works

Tessa ult can avoid that

[main glen]

What is Dh and Db

[kind ginkgo]

Dual halberds and blades

[main glen]

Ok ok

[digital carbon]

pretty new to the game just Started Yesterday, trying out some hero's is there a Tier list or is it just actually what you like? t

[kind ginkgo]

Start with what you think is cool and you like 🤔

There are tierlists, but all heroes are viable, what matters the most is your personal skill in the fighting; try to focus on learning the fighting system , especially at the beginning 👍

[digital carbon]

so far im really liking Yoto hime

[kind ginkgo]

She is a bit underwhelming the more you go up in ranks, especially due to her slow ult release and the speed of the ult attacks themselves 🤔👍

But she is a great pick; really fun to play hero indeed

[digital carbon]

any suggestions

[kind ginkgo]

On what?

[digital carbon]

maybe some classes to try out

[kind ginkgo]

not really 🤔

i would prolly say to try and avoid justina and tarka at the beginning, but aside from that just go all out 🙂

[main glen]

How do you setup Tessa V/ or combo into her V

[kind ginkgo]

you don't 🤔

its mostly smth that you try and adapt on the moment

with experience you will know when to use it and how

generally

it's really straight forwars as an ability

[main glen]

Ok

And what are some things I can do to improve and get better on the game

I decent but I feel I can be a whole lot better

And Ferria shen what’s the correct way to play her too

[olive sun]

well there's neutral, movement, game knowledge, combo, and few more things

practice them

[olive sun]

solo it doesn't really matter what character you playing, there isn't really a ''correct way to play a character'' in solo

team modes you can start by watching this vid

https://youtu.be/Ic5gwfexRX8

[main glen]

Does that work for duos too

[olive sun]

no one cares about duo

cuz you just pair a kurumi with whatever then you got a good comp

[main glen]

Copy

[kind ginkgo]

improving at hold checking

[main glen]

Hold crouch and crouch again right

[kind ginkgo]

nop

[kind ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU&t=96s

[main glen]

Ohhhhh

Yea I do that

I was thinking of something else

[crude raft]

Who's the hardest character to master

So I would suffer

[olive sun]

tarka & justina

[crude raft]

You activate tarka's F and he can't move? What's the point then?

[slate sierra]

he is in a "block" state, so attacks wont stagger/dmg him

if someone attacks tarka while hes doing that theyre typically close enough to get caught by his follow up punch out of the block state to be put into a combo

[crude raft]

But when I activate it enemies can tell it's on, right?

[slate sierra]

that youre in block state? yes players will recognize the stance/animation same way they recognize any other characters ability animations or souljade animations

all combo breakers in this game are pretty obvious when used, if anything tarka has one of the least flashy ones if we want to compare him to character f's like Cyra, Feria, Hadi, Valda etc

[kind ginkgo]

Yes, it's really reachable; the hard part is finding out the right moment to use it 🤔👍

It can be somewhat of a disengage, since the enemy will try and get away from you when u use it, or a move to get out of a pressing situation in 1v1 and turn it on the enemy

[little cargo]

Well, imagine it as a parry move against opponents instead of defensive move

Use it before an attack landed and you are on the offensive

However people who used to the game can tell you blocking attack the moment they see you not losing hp

[kind ginkgo]

And they will dash away 👍

[little cargo]

So unless their attack lock them under an animation or else they will dodge out to avoid the fist. Still if you catch them doing that (which is unlikely to happen in BR) you can hold dodge out of it and catch them with a horizontal

[main glen]

What glyps should I use

For Tessa

[kind ginkgo]

#🙎┃character-guides message

Pinned ckmments

All you need is always there 👍👍

But in case, asking as you did is always a good choice

[crude raft]

Is it a bad idea to choose recommended glyphs?

[kind ginkgo]

never really looked which ones are the recommended 🤔

[crude raft]

well they are def different from the pinned ones

[kind ginkgo]

recommended ones are the pinned 👍

recommended by us, not the game 👍

[surreal kiln]

Hey guys , we’re newbies, playing duos/trios and sometimes bloodbath apart. What champs do I unlock first to learn faster? I got Matari but I cannot really utilize her, unless it’s just an unprepared player or bot 😎

[empty swallow]

If you want to improve quickly, you should aim to get good at 2 main things

Movement and weapon combat

For movement you can just practice in matches regularly, trying things out, seeing how geometry works etc. and apply this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERpDpM4tck

Weapon combat is improved fastest in custom 1v1s https://youtu.be/eEnjEpzzfps

General combat beginner guides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZw3aPhmgiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU

Hero ability usage is also important of course, but these are the fundamentals which you will use on every hero that you play

And you will get better at abilities over time

[surreal kiln]

Hope so, thanks 👍🏼

[crude raft]

How do I counter Zai? Especially her ulti

[olive sun]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-running-oops-wrongway-gif-342679303393949979

nah fr

well, ''run'' in this context is not just ''turn away and grapple as far as possible''

keep your distance, dodge her attacks, jump high (she can't hit you with charge attack if you're high enough), use your own gold focus abilities to tank through her ensnared soul attack, catch her with ur light attack at the end of her release and combo her

anyway just don't stand in front of her and charge your blue

[little cargo]

Or blindly press attack button

[edgy needle]

im extra noob low level and i like to play matari, any tips?

[olive sun]

be agressive and take control of the fight since you don't have a combo breaker
and learn combo, at least the basic grapple combo cuz you gonna waste alot of Matari potential if you don't know combos

[edgy needle]

okay i have to look up the combos! thanks for tips

[kind ginkgo]

If you need combos, check the pinned comments in #🔱┃weapons-combat , all the basic ones for all weapons are listed there

[karmic wolf]

Question about Wuchen, what am I suppose to do against the freaking blade spam?

[kind ginkgo]

Can't do nothing, either avoid it, or u need abilities that allow to tank it

[karmic wolf]

So im guessing there is a cue I need to react and dodge?

[kind ginkgo]

Depends on how close you are

U need to dodge it when wuchen throws the projectile at you

Otherwise , when the blades are simply falling, if you stay in blue focus you won't get staggered, but the ones that fall after the "ding" are to be dodged, they will stun you anyways

[karmic wolf]

Okay, Thank you

[kind ginkgo]

Np 👍

[stuck pine]

I was wondering if any of yall know what other characters than Matari and Temulch have matching voice lines? xD

[olive sun]

if just loading screen then there's alot of them

[stuck pine]

No in game too

[olive sun]

if in-game then there's uhh shayol-akos, hadi-lyam, wuchen-tessa

tarka and valda too iirc

[stuck pine]

Oh didnt know that many

I guess lore related?

[olive sun]

yeah all lore related

[stuck pine]

Where you get all dem lore? Lore pages from each character?

[olive sun]

cultivation stories, weapons/outfits description, naraka wiki, lots of google search

and #📖┃lore-discussion

[stuck pine]

Thanks!

[kind ginkgo]

Also Shayol and zai

[little cargo]

Some killing voice lines for Feria and Yueshan, Tarka and Takeda and some some that I forgor

[wet shale]

Idk if this is the best place to ask this question so sorry if it is the wrong thread. I am a new player and I saw some tier lists saying Yoto Hime is a lower tier character to play in solos. Would anyone agree with that? Also, how much does that matter if you are good with the character? I feel like her skills are very strong if you know how to use them. Basically how much does it matter what tier a character is in this game is what Im trying to see?

[kind ginkgo]

Yoto is indeed lower tier compared to other characters, mostly because her ult is really easy to avoid

If you are good, you can make It work; but it's going to be way harder compared for example to a lyam

[slim spire]

does anyone have video of like some basic tips for valda? like really basic stuff im beginner lol

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | TenKey leveled up!

[teal flicker]

what are your guys thought about justina v2 compared to tessa's v1 rn? is justina's harder to hit for instance?

and what are your general thoughts on Justina and Cyra right now after the changes?

[kind ginkgo]

Justina's is stronger, but for different reasons

They are pretty much the same to hit thf

Tbf**

[teal flicker]

@kind ginkgo alot of people have said that justina got a clear buff in the recent update, while with cyra people can't decide whether cyra got a buff or nerf overall. what do you think? and some people say that cyra got purple stance in her v1 where in the update notes does that say lol.

[olive sun]

''people'' are dumb
on cyra release they whined about how she's so weak, hard to control and how it's so easy to avoid her beam, then jcup happens and pros was dominated left and right with her and they begin to whine again ''smh cyra gaming''

[teal flicker]

idk what to think anymore 😭

[olive sun]

just care less about it
if it works for you, good

[teal flicker]

where is the reliable source of information

[olive sun]

if it doesn't, do something else

[olive sun]

your own gameplay

in this game you don't have bans and unique picks anyway

so knowing a character is strong or weak doesn't matters that much

since you can't avoid facing them

and if you were the person who's using them, it's also meaningless if you can't make the most use of their kit

[teal flicker]

ok i see what you mean it's just that i am a sucker for knowing what is what because i don't want to waste time practicing a hero which is slightly less good, even though that is subject to change anyway. it's just knowing that you made a good choice right now assurance that i want i guess. probably one of the reason why tierlists are a popular thing in all things and i love tierlists too tbh.

[little cargo]

She did received a massive buff that is no stamina penalty for her V

[olive sun]

still i see no one saying ''damn she's op'' after the buff happens

only when jcup happens ppl starting to see how pros uses her and they was like ''oh so she's op, we just don't know how to use her but we're not gonna admit it, instead we go spam meaningless sentences and act like we knew it all along''

[kind ginkgo]

Didn't really follow cyra that much, I'll come back after I've read what they did to her and tested 🤔👍

[teal flicker]

which hero has the most combo potential and ToD potential if played "perfect" is it justina, takeda, lyam or someone else?

[half turtle]

Justina, Valda, Takeda, Akos and Tarka all have very good combo potential but require alot of mastery to pull off, but ultimately it's about your skill to be able to do the combo as to which will be the best for you in that regard, and playing in duo and trio obviously this changes aswell as if you want meta its different there aswell so, Matari is also a good honourable mention for combo potential.

[olive sun]

temmy, yoto can also do TOD

[little cargo]

Yeah, that's true lmao, I am guilty of doubting her too

[half turtle]

To be fair, it's because again people don't know how to play her effectively, but it's also because pro play is also much slower than ranked queue etc, pros don't always take fights etc and cyra is just amazing for Yang and endgame circle collapse, which lets be honest it's soo rare in normal games for the circle to get to full collapse so people fail to see her full potential in that regard and well yeah, 99.5% of players don't have the technical ability of pros so 😂 it's not your fault for doubting the character

[kind ginkgo]

Tarka ji 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

Don't even need to play perfect

I reckon u asked a similar question a while back, possible?

[teal flicker]

i ask alot of questions, so it may be possible

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Mysticshadow leveled up!

[magic hinge]

I’ve been saying that she was op since day 1

Proud to have found that out early

[modest roost]

Which chars would you recommend for Solo and which for Duo?

[kind ginkgo]

Solos and duos are insanely similar

There isn't really a recommendation that differs from the two

Usually it's between solos and truos

Trios*

But then again, especially at the beginning, I would say to avoid kurumi for solos , the rest works pretty well; most important part is learning how to foght

Just play what u think is cool 👍👍

[modest roost]

Alright, thanks a lot c:

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[silent ibex]

Hello,
What ult should I use for lyam in Solo ?

The one where he stuns or the one where he transforms enemy into a ball

[magic hinge]

Btw did Lyam get nerfed some time ago, stopped seeing people using him?

[kind ginkgo]

f1 v1

[kind ginkgo]

they still use him; just got blinded by buffed hadi, matari and cyra

[silent ibex]

Wich on are those ?

[silent ibex]

How strong is he right now ?

[kind ginkgo]

first f choice (skill) and first v choice (ultimate)

from the top

[kind ginkgo]

solid a tier i would say?

[silent ibex]

Okay thanks

So ball for ult

[kind ginkgo]

but then again, it's the combat and the game basics that you need to master before thinking about how strong a hero is; without those it wont matter who you pick

[silent ibex]

And pull for skill

[kind ginkgo]

exactly the opposite

those are f2 v2

[silent ibex]

PERFECT

[kind ginkgo]

you want the combo breaker and the teleport one

[silent ibex]

I LOVE THOSE SO MUCH MORE

Yeahhh perfecto

[kind ginkgo]

i personally prefer the pull, for combo potential

[silent ibex]

I am not
That good at the game yet and it’s nice to have a combo breaker to interrupt enemy combo

And for sai ?

[kind ginkgo]

zai goes f2 v2 or f1 v2 usually

[silent ibex]

Okay thank you

Who is stronger for solo queue out of these two ?

[kind ginkgo]

lyam

but zai is better at lower ranks because no one knows what to do against her ult

[silent ibex]

Yeah her ult is pretty cool

And for duos ?

[magic hinge]

The cyra spam after j cup has been cancer

Good thing some people still don’t know how to use her

[kind ginkgo]

pretty straightforward

[kind ginkgo]

exactly the same, and same for trios too

[silent ibex]

Okay thank you a lot

Who is the easiest char ?

So I can learn the basics first

Like combat

[magic hinge]

Feria

Or do you mean get better at neutral?

[kind ginkgo]

this isnt true 🤔

personally i would recommend ziping (purely to learn neutral, and because she is hard to kill), tessa (strongly), lyam

feria is not bad, but her ult kind of defies the idea of learning basics imo

[kind ginkgo]

for that dont really think about the hero; just practice and most importantly check out the guides 👍

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU&t=106s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEptZXEWU0g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rduuu7Qt7JE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFhMiSDPgDI&t=58s

these might be of help

once all of this works, i recommend checking out some basics combos; the ones pinned by takao in the #🔱┃weapons-combat channel are the most common ones

they offer a good dmg option, but they also require some practice and game understanding before learning

cuz if you cannot manage to start them, even knowing the most powerful combos wont be really useful 👍

((if in need of more help, i always recommend checking out #🏋┃dojo-coaching ; this server offers coaching for naraka on all levels (or most of them) , in order to help new and veteran players to improve. 👍 ((it's totally free, just some passionate people willing to help others enjoy this wonderful game ))))

hope this was a little bit of help 😅

[silent ibex]

I love you so much

Thank you

[silent ibex]

Exactly what I needed

[dapper pollen]

Is shayol good?

[slate sierra]

She’s considered weaker atm but I think she’ll be getting some buffs in the new season

[kind ginkgo]

she's decent 👍

definitely really fun

[teal flicker]

i was told akos and matari is good for combos what are their recommended skills for solo? akos f2 v2 and matari f2 v2?

[olive sun]

yes

akos because he can start a combo if he lands his pounces, matari is her F2

[teal flicker]

@olive sun you are the fastest to answer almost every time. do you live here or something? 😂

appreciate the help though

[olive sun]

my works basically require me to glue myself to my PC all day so

[teal flicker]

you have become the pc 🤖

[olive sun]

i wish that all i need is just electricity too

[teal flicker]

i wonder if tabbie is seeing this

https://tenor.com/view/fish-mouth-open-trick-gif-10838812

[olive sun]

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[prisma hare]

Ayoo, just ayoo

[silent ibex]

What are the meta char right now ?

[teal flicker]

@olive sun and @prisma hare i don't know what it means for you guys, but it's just the "i made you look" meme format nothing weird

[prisma hare]

uhuh, so we just gonna ignore the great skill and technique bro has with his fingers/fist. alright

poor fish

[kind ginkgo]

Solos or trios?

[silent ibex]

Both

[magic hinge]

Not Akos I tell you that

[teal flicker]

can people parry matari f2 when its launched as blue?

[olive sun]

wrong

[olive sun]

no

[magic hinge]

huh?

dont get me wrong, he is super cool

but i'm pretty sure he is not meta like lyam and cyra

[olive sun]

he's solid af in solo, if you think otherwise either you don't know how to play him or you haven't met a good akos yet

[magic hinge]

he is good

especially in solos

[olive sun]

lyam is not even meta anymore after the V1 nerf, he's just so-so atm

[magic hinge]

but akos doesnt feel meta at all

[teal flicker]

random contribution: i feel like matari is solid rn

[magic hinge]

he has not gotten nerfs or buffs in a long time

[olive sun]

there's a bunch more heroes that isn't meta and is weaker than akos

in solo

at least akos still got pick on jcup and does well, he's still a solid choice

[magic hinge]

hahaha but in the finals

like 1 time

[olive sun]

yeah because in tourney ppl focus on the ability to survive against multiple ppl fights and that akos does not do well

but ranked gameplay is different

[magic hinge]

ranked is where people spam mataris skill while third partying

[kind ginkgo]

Yes they can

I ve done it a few times

[olive sun]

bro

read the question again

[kind ginkgo]

parrying matari f when she dashes in blue form

it's feasible 🤔

[olive sun]

how do you even parry a non weapon attack?

[kind ginkgo]

no idea

but it's parriable

when i discovered it i was baffled

[olive sun]

the fuck

really?

you're telling me we can't parry bare hand blue or focus slide blue but matari F can be parried?

[kind ginkgo]

yep

i'm not completely sure, but i reckon that slide focus can be parried also

(matari dashes forward with her weapon in a thrust technically tho)

[olive sun]

nah nah this can't be right

[kind ginkgo]

need to test it

[thin owl]

who is still getting terrorized by tessa that they have again done another mini nerf

[olive sun]

nerf? tessa got a buff

[kind ginkgo]

yep

[slate sierra]

matari f can not be parried...

it is not a weapon attack

if you are referencing v2 usage, where you tap v to teleport behind an enemy, and then release a blue after teleporting, yes that can be parried because it is a weapon attack

you are just utilizing the v2 to teleport in last second to release it, but esp with 360 parries it can be parried

[little cargo]

Slide focus cannot be parried

[kind ginkgo]

Yet I did parry it a few times a while back ,🤷🏻‍♂️

[slate sierra]

I promise whatever you parried was not Matari F. You can’t parry abilities.

Please don’t tell new people to try and parry matari F they’re gonna get rolled 🥲😅

Focus slide also isn’t able to be parried. That’s partially why it isn’t allowed in solos, not enough counter play.

[kind ginkgo]

Focus slide, I said I was not sure

[scarlet dew]

not meta but is spammed all time in jcup grand final, weird

plus they played on patch before hadi and cyra got turbo nerfed

[teal flicker]

i know it's mostly mechanics eranicks, but still, got a solo tier list?

[kind ginkgo]

i'd say to wait a bit; need to see situation after the patch 👍

buth with lyam, justina, cyra u aint going wrong i guess 🤔

or hadi and valda

[tawny furnace]

Since the right click on Cyras 2nd ult is gone, do u pref 1st ult in Trio or still 2nd because of dmg down and hot?

[slim spire]

which v u guys use on justina in duo?

[kind ginkgo]

v2

[slim spire]

thanks

[kind ginkgo]

np

[half turtle]

Only one way to work it out I guess

[tawny furnace]

[kind ginkgo]

Yep

[half turtle]

Ima test it later, cause I'm interested to know aswell, doesn't make sense that you could as it is an ability but at the same time it is a melee attack technically which can go into blue focus so 🤷‍♂️ and I will never be the one to be someone who says you can't do it when someone else claims they have done such as yourself, so I wanna know now :D haha

[kind ginkgo]

Same goes for me 👍👍

Codnt just find someone yesterday to try it 😂

[half turtle]

Well I don't know when your about but I'm happy to the theory with you when I get home from work shortly

[kind ginkgo]

Literally just woke up, omw to uni 😅😂

[half turtle]

well let me know when your about to do it, il be around!

[karmic wolf]

If you are NA I can help you test it

[kind ginkgo]

I'm EU 😅

[half turtle]

Same

[mystic relic]

Takeda can parry your f2 when you're in blue focus. Trust me, I've been there

With his skill

I don't think regular parry works, but his f can parry you

[kind ginkgo]

Matari dashes forward with her weapon, that's why takeda can parry it 👍

And also why I reckon it's parriable

[karmic wolf]

just a lil swim and you can make it

did you test it already?

[little cargo]

Depended

F2? nah. F3? Yah

[kind ginkgo]

Nop, arrived home too late

[kind ginkgo]

A small swim.... 🤔😂😂

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[mystic relic]

I mean matari's f2

[little cargo]

I mean Takeda F

[chrome cliff]

giga hot take lmao

things that are meta in tournament will also be meta in ranked

because people who play well treat ranked as a training environment for tournaments

people who don't play well will die no matter what character they use, so they don't contribute to what's meta

liam is meta because of the vajra grip built into his combo-breaking F, he can play very risky until he uses F, then run and repeat

if he gets an HP advantage big enough until his F is forced, he can choose to just continue the fight

with good enough movement, lyam can't die

that's why he'll be a staple in tournaments and in ranked until balance changes drastically

[half turtle]

Not to mention he has very good combo potential with ult which can be used offensively, defensively and for escapes

[sturdy reef]

What does this mean? I am just trying to do my cultivation for Tessa and im stuck on this. I looked it up and people said that its just the golden quest around the map but I did those during a game and it didn't count?

[olive sun]

there's multiple quests that use the same golden scroll as indicator

not just blessing

[sturdy reef]

what should i be looking for ?

[olive sun]

the scroll that says ''blessing''

also wrong channel for this question

go #❓┃help

[sturdy reef]

oh shoot okay thank you

[exotic marsh]

Uh so does anyone have any advice for zai users… like tips on using ult
How to fight zai ult vs zai ult
How to hit someone who is sliding and dodging in a circular motion around you
Mmm any other tips on how to be more effective at hitting people tbh

[kind ginkgo]

Ideally u just have to time it 🤔

If they are constantly rolling, just charge fully up and release on them 🤔, it will catch them anyways

Ult Vs ult is a matter of playing a focus game; who releases first eins

So you need to create space when needed and jump back in

Personally I would say to keep Ur ult the longest possible against another zai; bait theirs out, run around and kite it, when they finish ult yourself 🤔👍

[brittle thorn]

Hello chat. Tell me about the talent panel, which ones are better to use?

[kind ginkgo]

You mean the glyphs?

[brittle thorn]

yea

[kind ginkgo]

If you look I made a guide with all the most commonly used glyph pages for all characters , you find it in the pinned comments 👍👍

#🙎┃character-guides message

Here 👍

[exotic marsh]

It doesn’t tho… I wish I clipped what happened

This Tessa was sliding into a roll and back to sliding. Like I could not hit her while she was sliding

even charging up to full

[brittle thorn]

thx bro

[kind ginkgo]

Np

[kind ginkgo]

Slide you can hit np problem, just gotta aim correctly 👍

Only roll, hold dodge and tap dodge have I. Frames 👍

[exotic marsh]

How you aim correctly when melee assist derails you? Also on controller

[kind ginkgo]

Can't speak for controller; only ever played on mouse and keyboard 🤔

But auto aim should not derail u usually

[half turtle]

If your playing solos a good general glyph page to run for all heroes aswell is this, can remove the 1 purple node and replace with rage/dmg taken or damage aswell, but its a good page for solos. Duos and trios @kind ginkgo pages are generally better as this page focuses alot on mobility and stamina regen etc which teammates naturally help with this already, but its quite widely used among top players in solos so :)

[kind ginkgo]

I reckon top players use a totally different glyph page TBF 🤔

Ult charge is always very important, there is not reason to sacrifice that much for a bit of grapple speed 🤔

What I mostly see used is full stamina, grapple glyphs just to get the distance, the rest in right side red

Nono uses that for example, and I reckon also spinach? Not fully sure tho

[half turtle]

You'd be suprised 😂 im sure it depends on preference and i agree ult charge is obviously important but the ability to reset is aswell and being able to prolong a fight you will naturally get more ult charge anyway, i think its kinda of split, but i think overall the ability to reset a fight etc is probably more useful in the hands of newer players or not as skilled/learning players in general, wave rolling for example is busted ofc which you will get down the stamina side and the 18% cdr on F is quite nice, i think its definitely a preference thing

[kind ginkgo]

stamina is important i agree

but that 3% grappling speed isnt that important 🤔

tbf i tryed testing how much it impacts, and it's nearly nonexistent 🤔

[half turtle]

obviously once your performing to huge efficiency on characters you play alot ofc more specialised glyphs become 10x more useful without a doubt, and its 50% grapple speed overall, but the 30% grapple distance at the very least is quite worthwhile and is very noticeable if you ask me

can make or break a chase for sure if you need to dip or secure a kill

providing the opponent knows how to run effectively anyway 😂

[kind ginkgo]

fair 👍

[half turtle]

As i said, all of yours are very effective and in duos and trios personally yours are miles better, but solos that page i put is very good, and is used by top players and quite a few pros, but again it is definitely preference

what your saying also is not wrong or worse ultimately, grapple speed isnt nearly as important as the stamina recovery for sure and can be dropped for ult recovery, but it does help and the grapple distance is definitely the key factor of it as yeah that is very noticeable 😂

[kind ginkgo]

grapple distance is to be considered essential tbf

except in some cases like let's say zai in trios where ult has full priority

but that grapple speed i can't really understand how much it impacts the game as of now

i tested it to see if there was a difference, by having multiple people with various levels of speed enabled trying it at the same time or in decalage 🤔

but it feels like it's smth more similar to a few frames than anything

but then again i could be totally wrong

[half turtle]

i think if you were to replace anything it would be this more than likely, starting rage is nice but conversion ultimately better for most heroes as starting only impacts the early game and doesnt do anything for you moving towards mid -late

[kind ginkgo]

not a pro nor a top player myself 😆 , just an average combo fan

[kind ginkgo]

yes, this is the one i was talking about 👍

also the one i personally use

[half turtle]

Nah i fully agree with you, grapple speed definitely isnt as important

the range is, but the speed isnt as useful, as you said its literally a few frames and has the complete most NICHE use ever that you will find only 1/50 situations it will actually have an impact

[kind ginkgo]

starting rage i agree it's pretty useless in most scenarios, but weirdly enough people like OUG.Mike and other top players started taking it during the last cup 🤔

still very situational tho

[kind ginkgo]

it can technically help getting some grapple combos more consistent 🤔 😆

or at least sometimes that is the feel

[half turtle]

I feel like in pro play its very different though, as they are trying to accumulate as many kills possible in the early game where its a bit more fast paced before they lose soul, i think thats the only reason they use it because they know late game conversion isnt going to help as much as the play is so slow

[kind ginkgo]

yes, in tournament having ult earlier than the enemy can determine a win or a loss over the course of the game

so being like a telmuch and being able to ult super early, same as lyam, gives you a ton of survivability in early game and also a lot of kill potential

[half turtle]

Yeah for sure, but we both know besides the very rare games in non pro play and your standard ranked, its just see someone and fight 😂 very rarely is it played that strategically

[kind ginkgo]

yeah

1005

100%

except if they are playing zai and dropping in the middle of the hottest spawn zone 😆

and i had this happen a few times

u get gray weapon, they find a purple / gold one, press ult after a while and gg wp 😆

[half turtle]

Yeah true true 😂

[kind ginkgo]

gl getting out on no armor 😆

[olive sun]

''quite widely used among top players in solos''?

who's the ''top solo players'' you're talking about?

who run this?

i'm sorry but if you show this glyphs page to any average naraka player they gonna laugh their asses off
not to mention ''top solo players''

[half turtle]

Sorry, not as specific as i should of been, i cant speak for all regions by any means, but the top solo players that i know in my chamber and friends chambers, and I'm pretty sure was recommended to a friend of mine by LLeXNN during a coaching session, i may be remembering wrong but as i said, im not speaking for the demons in CN and SEA.

[olive sun]

the only node worth consider taking on top green tree is 30% grapple range, and you only consider taking it on trios because there's situations when your whole team want to arrive at a location as fast as possible, but even then it's still very not worth it if you have to give up on red tree
and on solo grapple range became even less important cause you don't move around maps that much, for chasing and escaping you mostly use scale rush
grapple speed does nothing, doesn't affect combos at all

stamina regen almost does nothing too, but there's wave roll on that tree and wave roll is just too damn good

[kind ginkgo]

at max it gives you 1 more dodge

pretty worth overall if you are like me and love dashing around 🤔

[olive sun]

if you are that bad at manage your stamina and have to rely on that 0.25s earlier for another dodge then you're screwed anyway

[kind ginkgo]

Don't need to be bad to use it 🤔

It gives you an advantage over someone who does not have it 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

For comparison people like mike, Nono,... Use it regularly

[olive sun]

the same with everthing else

[kind ginkgo]

Why nerf your options when you can perform better 🤔

[kind ginkgo]

Yes

[olive sun]

so you're saying there's no node are not worth taking?

[kind ginkgo]

There are definitely that are suboptimal

Don't twist my words

We are talking about dodges and stamina here

Not about resurrection speed nor about things like healing after parries

[half turtle]

Yeah i mean to be honest, its not about being bad at stamina management but sometimes you have no choice, its especially helpful when being 3rd partied etc, like there arent as many honor fights in eu and na for example as sea and cn 😂 and even t ere its not that common anymore from what i know, having that extra mobility / dodge option is helpful 100% of the time and can always be utilized, some other things can not. but again as i said, its purely preference but nobody can argue that it is not a good page all round and especially for newer players or players less skilled.

[olive sun]

Why am i "twisting your words"? By your logic if your think your setup is good then it's good then why even bother bring it into a discussion?

[kind ginkgo]

???

Not following u in the "bringing it into a discussion" part 🤔

[olive sun]

So it's not up to discussion?

[kind ginkgo]

I'm not following u

Like, wym by up for discussion?

You are totally free to have your one 🤔, and also you can try to convince me on smth new

But "if you use this you are just bad at stamina management" is not an argument 🤔

I was waiting for your better option🤔🤷🏻‍♂️, to try and understand your point of view

(brb, need to go eat 😅)

[half turtle]

Yeah I mean everyone has their own opinions and ultimately what works for you isn't wrong, like there are some abysmall nodes that shouldn't be used ofcourse, but when it comes to green and red tree, most of the nodes are viable and have use, eranicks wasn't saying your point is invalid, but your arguement was stamina nodes are useless cause It just means you can't manage stamina at all, which isn't true and it is helpful 100% of the time and situations where you are having to dodge and run more for example 3rd partying it can help alot and has nothing to do with not being able to sustain stamina, everything is always up for discussion in my opinion.

[olive sun]

The thing is the whole purple and blue tree are trash, red tree lower branch also trash, while -18% cd on green is too good so you always go upper red + 1 green tree, and since upper green is trash too that's why you go lower for the wave roll and the stamina regen is a bonus. Yes it isnt completely useless BUT what i'm saying is the value of the stamina regen isnt the prio or the reason why you go that tree.

[kind ginkgo]

Absolutely; my point was for why choosing the full stamina tree instead of the grapple one 🤔👍👍

I would much more prefer having 1 dodge more, than a grapple that moves a few frames faster 🤔👍

[kind ginkgo]

(for context I use this, if it was not said before)

[olive sun]

You go green for the last node and choose lower branch because in most situation it's less shitty compare to upper branch, but it's still mostly shit aside from the wave roll. I only disagree with you on the value of the abysmal stamina regen speed increase. You think it's pretty good, i think it's meh and unreliable.

[kind ginkgo]

Well, 1 more dodge can do a lot, in a 1v1 situation 🤔

But then again, it's not broken as you said

[olive sun]

It's not even "1 more dodge", the way you say it is very misleading

[kind ginkgo]

It does allow you to perform 1 more dodge

If you dodge sequentially, 1 dodge after the other,without using wave roll, you can dodge 1 more time before the stamina meter is completely empty

Compared to someone that does not have that

Hence, 1 more

[olive sun]

That's not how it is but ok, ig i'm not gonna continue this

[kind ginkgo]

🤷🏻‍♂️

The end effect is that one

[half turtle]

As I said before, this is a discussion, not an arguement, you are entitled to your own opinion but making aggressive comments is pointless we are simply discussing options and what not

[olive sun]

wdym ''aggressive comments''? i just decide to end the discussion here cuz i don't think i can, or need to convince anyone

why is it considered ''aggressive''

[half turtle]

May be a language barrier, but earlier aswell you came in hot is all, its gucci, dont worry

[olive sun]

well the glyphs plan you suggested is just, sorry, bad, and the part that you said it was recommended by top solo players really baffled me

i mean if you just say ''this is my favorite glyphs plan and it worked well for me'' i wouldn't open my mouth
but ''recommended by top solo players'' is really ehhhh

anyway i don't mean to be aggressive, and i'm sorry if any of my words make you feel that way

pardon my wording

[half turtle]

Nah your good, but i mean you can think all you want to think as i said, your own opinion is still valid, BUT im just saying what ive been suggested, by top players im not talking mike, spider etc. im saying 1. in my region, and 2 just very good players in the top of my region and what has been suggested specifically for solo play, but as i said, everyone plays differently, but saying its bad is just wrong, it depends on how you play, if your very aggressive and comfortable always taking the fight and your ability to win then yes, half green stam side for wave roll and half red is better. but as i said people generally who are asking for glyph pages probably arent at that level yet regardless, so having the ability for pure escape glyphs that are in effect 100% is a mile and a half better

i agree with the grappling speed, its useless and insanely niche, but the distance is useful.

[slate sierra]

I disagree. Dodges require a lot of skill, reaction time, good ping, fps etc

Having your ult more often will probably save you more than “one extra dodge”

Especially if you’re running something with an ult that adds survivability which is insanely common in solos (Hadi, Cyra, Valda come to mind)

I’m not saying you need to go full red by any means, but I don’t know a single person who’s running full green or anything close to that page either

Also if you’re going to say top players use this, best to specify your region or server at the very least. With naraka being so dominated by Chinese players, people will probably hear “top player” and assume you mean CN pros or those at the top of CNs immortal war leaderboard.

[slate sierra]

I agree with this

[half turtle]

Interesting, as i said, personally i dont actually run full green either but i think its better for newer players, i dont know how long its been since you seen newer players or lower skilled players play, but alot of the time they dont get the chance to get close to their ults 😅 i may be being obnoxious which i apologise for but generally if someone asking for glyph plans etc they are probably newer, and yeah i reiterated that earlier, i didnt mean CN or SEA because they are different players entirely, breeds of demons over there.

But again, if thats what ya'll think that is up to you, if anyone disagrees with me thats more than fine, i aint saying this is absolute or anything like that, everything ultimately is based on your playstyle, unless your trying to go comp yourself and basically have to play a very specific meta then it is all down to your own skill and the way you play 🤷‍♂️

[low raven]

Are these skins available in-game?

Season greetings 🧑‍🎄🎄

[kind ginkgo]

Not at this precise moment for sure 🤔

[chrome cliff]

Sorry to crash your glyph party, but wave roll and grappling range are used a lot in Solos now

It doesn't make a big difference if you go for stamina/s or grapple speed, they are both almost useless

[low raven]

So disappointed

[kind ginkgo]

they can't release all the best skins at the same time 🤷‍♂️ 😆

[chrome cliff]

But you need one of them to skill wave roll and grappling range

[magic hinge]

I’m back here again for tips on characters

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Aero leveled up!

[magic hinge]

Since I got to platinum in solo, I wanted to get better at trios

But we have a new friend who just started playing

What’s the best comp for trios if there are 2 newbies( me and my friend) and 1 more intermediate guy(my other friend)

I recently tried playing temulch in trios

And he is cool, but I think only the circle of his ult does the sandstorm debuff

[kind ginkgo]

there is plenty of trios synergies; it could probably be best if you checked the video pinned in this channel about how to make a trios comp 👍

it could probably help a lot

the key is to find heroes that fit the role that you like to play and that you can play, and build around that

it would be useless to play say "matari, zai, ziping", if you cannot play well not even one of those 🤔

matari especially would require a precise series of actions and decisions to work correctly, even if she works perfectly in synergy with zai

[magic hinge]

Should I just use general glyphs for trios?

We tried to invest a bit into luck, and it’s been working working quite good for us

[kind ginkgo]

luck is a weird stat, i personally wouldnt recomment it

generally, if you have a kurumi or such, u would want to get cheaper shop deals, especially for things like IW; luck is a secondary stat

that usually does not impact that much

[mossy jackal]

Guys is there a place for Showdown guides ?

[slate sierra]

You can try checking #👾┃showdown

[gloomy brook]

this is the solo standard usually, especially during the cyra meta where you pretty much need wave roll if you wanna fight her in yang assuming both are good players. Wave roll also has higher prio than grapple distance imo, if you are good at dodging and want to capitalize on spacing to play more aggressive. If you are confident with your movement you dont really need grapple distance, but unless you are very confident in being able to chase most of your fights without it, id take it instead of rage-kill conversion

[empty swallow]

no

luck is trash

you need red glyphs for ultimate charge

every hero needs red

and some green for grapple range or wave roll

some heroes also benefit from cooldown reduction

this is a fine general page

You may also opt for this

I personally run this most of the time, as I spawn in crowded areas to get my ult fast

Ultimately, pun unintended, if you are caught without your ults by enemies that have their ults, you are at a massive disadvantage and will most likely die

That's why the glyphs that massively increase your ult charging are most consistently useful

[ripe sable]

hello just started the game whats the best way to use tarka ji ult?

[kind ginkgo]

Infinite combos

Usually you get an advantage in neutral with the double dodge

(the fire punch)

And because of that you can start a combo; most of weapons can extend that combo until the enemy is dead

If you want some reference, I recommend watching dunkingdonuts' stream, his tarka is probably one of the best you can find

[ripe sable]

is there a beginner guide for him

[kind ginkgo]

Not really 🤔

He's generally acknowledged as a non beginner character 🤔😅

https://youtu.be/InYX649NWBw?si=6UG9sv5ku7gVkwOB

You can try this one tho, it's not bad

[ripe sable]

i get that haha but i dont want the geralt skin to be rotting away

will check it out thx

also would u say yueshan is good beginner chara? and takeda

[kind ginkgo]

Both have pretty much fallen out of the meta ATM; but they are for sure usable

Takeda has a high skill ceiling aswell, when you start comoping etc, but it's also solid for beginners

Yueshan is also good

Just need to learn how to use the ult

((for the tarka guide, consider all it says for solos, but remember that tarka Ji in trios is not the greatest thing 🤔👍👍))

[ripe sable]

as in?

[kind ginkgo]

learning when to activate it and where; it can be a debuff if you for example transform in a building and get stuck

or also you need to learn how to attack with it, since it has slowish attacks that not always hit

plus there are some possibilities with the jumping, how to get to some places,...

pretty straightforward, but definitely useufl to learn

[twin wyvern]

Looking to play better as Cyra any tips

[magic hinge]

Does Justina ult only freeze people in neutral?

[olive sun]

wdym ''in neutral''

[mystic relic]

Her ult description shows when she can freeze ppl. I'm guessing by neutral you mean the state of the player, like if they are just running or doing light attack, in which case they can be frozen

If you hold blue you can avoid getting froze by her v1 (not sure about v2).

Then there are some specifications as to when can you freeze them in gold focus or ult status but those are in the ult description. Can't say for certain since they recently got reworked

[magic hinge]

So as long as somebody is in ult i can't freeze them

and if somebody is in blue, it only stuns them like a katana horz light atack

v1 seems super fun

but what should i do in ult vs ult against heroes who cant even get frozen

[olive sun]

depends on what type of focus status their ults are

''golden color'' focus states are not all the same

there's 4 types

• weapon gold focus
• parry focus
• ultimate focus
• extreme focus

and don't let the name deceive you, ''ultimate focus'' doesn't always means ''the focus state you get during your ultimate''

for example zai V gold focus attack is considered weapon gold focus

[magic hinge]

Yeah, because Kylin is gray focus

or purple weapon focus

only his f is golden

[olive sun]

the holding state is purple focus yes

but his slashes are gold weapon focus

or ultimate focus, i don't remember seeing it clashes with other weapon gold focus attacks

it interrupting those, so it must be a higher tier

[magic hinge]

yeah the slashes are golden

sbut i dont think Justina ult v1 even freezes blue focus weapon

it just stuns them, no?

[olive sun]

the normal cast doesn't

[magic hinge]

the enhaced one does?

[olive sun]

that's not a stun, that's a stagger

[olive sun]

yeah, after you press V again then your next F cast will freeze enemies in blue focus

i mean it's all on her V description

[magic hinge]

usually didnt work out so well for me, so i always thoought it didnt

and the desc was just scamming me

[olive sun]

if you're familiar with her old V2 it's easy to understand new v1

[magic hinge]

i just unlocked justina

[olive sun]

cuz the rework just merged her old v1 and v2 into a new v1

[magic hinge]

no idea how she was pre patch

[olive sun]

anyway, current v1

• if you don't press V again then your dash will only freeze enemies who aren't in focus state
• if you press V again then you do an ice circle around you that only freeze enemies who aren't in focus state
• after you press V again, your next dash will freeze enemies who's on a focus state** lower than ultimate focus**

[magic hinge]

Thank you

i'll try it out in ranked

any tips on fighting Zai?

[olive sun]

as?

general tip just try to avoid her attacks
dodging, keeping distance, her charge attacks won't hit you if you staying high enough
or you can use your own gold focus abilities which gave dmg reduction to tank through her attacks

or try to catch her after she release

zai is abit op atm i think, 30s ult is kinda too long

[magic hinge]

well the moment i see a zai ult

i just run away and kite her

and then wait

as long as there are buildings, it's just scalerushing

but on even terrain

luck is where it's at

[olive sun]

well the general tip is just avoid fighting her head-on when she's on her V

[mint parrot]

guys

i just realised cyra got buffed and used her v2 it feels kinda insane that it heals so much now

is she S tier?

the stun feels so long

[magic hinge]

She was s-tier even before

[mint parrot]

i heard everyone saying shes still worse than the other supports

[mystic relic]

I feel like she's good if you want to play a defensive character that has a chance to be offensive. I'm guessing you're using her on teammodes. And yeah she can be good, but if you wanna be fully a support I feel zip and kurumi are still better answers

I feel like cyra's support comes more from her stunning the enemies to take some pressure off her teammates. Kurumi and zip are just purely focus on healing and I feel they fit that role much better than cyra imo.

Tho I've never played her and my buddy as only played her once or twice, so take my opinion with a grain of salt

[olive sun]

Cyra was never a support

[lone mural]

Can some one giv me advise for mirata pve build at begin

[kind ginkgo]

#👾┃showdown here you will have more luck asking 🤔👍👍

[digital lava]

anyone can quide me about Shayol Wei ?

[chrome cliff]

Why post about her when you have never played her

She is a deadly space lazer from another universe currently dominating trio meta

If you don't play her and anyone on your team trolls for 5 seconds, any team who runs her will kill you

She isn't a support, she is a stagger-immune ranged DPS with mega armor

The entire community is praying for a nerf so we get to play something other than her

[mystic relic]

Idk man freedom of speech? that's why I stated to take my comment with a grain of salt, and never claimed to be stating facts

In fact you're just agreeing with me, she's more a range dps than a healer. Hence why I say she's more offensive and not much of a support, compared to kurumi or zip who are focused on healing

[chrome cliff]

Your intro just doesn't make sense

She is always good, you can slap her into any comp and it will be optimal

She is best in slot out of all characters

[mystic relic]

Read again, as a support, aka as a healer, she isn't as good as kurumi or zip

Never said her character itself was bad

She's a different type of support compared to kurumi or zip

[chrome cliff]

Freedom of speech means you can say what you want, but anyone can disagree with you

She isn't a support at all

She can't even use group heal while she is in ult

[mystic relic]

True, but funny thing is we are saying the same basically

[mystic relic]

Alright did you read op's message then? Tabbie already replied to them saying she isn't a support

But op said "she is considered a bad support' hence why I replied in the context of support

[chrome cliff]

I'm out, i rectified your statement for the person who asked, nothing to gain from here

You can't see the nuances, no point in explaining it

[mystic relic]

Nice!

Guess I should thank you

[magic hinge]

Tips on dealing with wuchen ult

[olive sun]

dodge it
if you get hit try to blue armor the small blades and iframe the big blades, or tank them with your gold focus abilities
if you dodged it and it hits the ground, don't step inside or you will die

[magic hinge]

The thing is, I often get hit by wuchen ult in the air

And then, until I hit the ground it’s alr -armour

[olive sun]

if so then just git gud
cuz if wuchen hit you with his V while you're in the air meaning you lose neutral to him so he was able to do uppercut into V

[exotic marsh]

Do you by chance have any clips on how people use her?

And how to counter or like just run

[kind ginkgo]

Now her ult is purple focus; with golden focus or combo breakers ,... You can interrupt her

[exotic marsh]

Ah dragon roar or havoc that hoe bet bet

[kind ginkgo]

For example

Or a zai ult focus attack

Or a Kylin dash, a Lyam v1 stasys,....

[exotic marsh]

Omy to get good with zai den

Matari can’t really do much against that

[kind ginkgo]

Hold f dash into her 🤔

Or also just to behind and hit, dash away, rinse and repeat

Matari is prolly one of the safest ones you can take 🤔

[exotic marsh]

Hmm

I still haven’t used her v2 much

I’ll spend time getting good with it then

[chrome cliff]

point the space laser at the enemy

release lmb for big boom or press rmb to heal

after v2 charms them, go on the same target as a team

to counter, run her yourself

you can't beat her, so you have to become her

and play characters with an extra hp pool like valda or feria, or run kurumi to trade with her ult

right now every trio team you encounter either runs cyra or justina/tessa or even all 3

there are some valdas and ferias

anything that explodes space laser, outheals space laser, or is a space laser is playable

you can also run wuchen and cast v2 on the enemy cyra after she used ult

i recommend running https://www.speedtest.net/ when the fight starts to make your connection laggy

this way, you can ult enemies even mid iframe and they have no idea when they should dodge

i hope you enjoyed my mildly sarcastic summary of EU meta

for more quality content, follow me on youtube and twitch

[lost dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/nobara-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-978553768139691647

[undone mirage]

any tip for yoto hime?

[olive sun]

hit your slashes
... that's about it

[midnight grove]

hey anyone have any tips for akos v2?

[opal depot]

how good is kylin against cyra? stuff like zai is really easy to counter with cyra in my experience since she can't easily hit midair opponents with gold focus and isn't too mobile

[olive sun]

kylin is kinda trash now

while cyra is at the top

[opal depot]

i don't have any friends that play him so i don't really remember how the matchup goes but in my head it seems way better with his mobility

[olive sun]

mobility for what when you deal like 0 damages lol

[opal depot]

yeah thats probably true

[kind ginkgo]

TBF, with v1 cyra isn't really a problem

V2 is bad, but v1 is still playable

Being a Kylin onetrick I can say that much at least 🤔👍

In case u need for specific combos with him a also have a few 🤔👍😂

(Kylin v1 gives him decent dmg (purple weapon u can kill someone with purple armor with 3 charged attacks, or close to it); cyra can't move while getting hit, so it's a pretty easy fight with that)

[exotic marsh]

Is there a guide on how to do the “infinite jump” on console

I’ve seen people in 6v6 that will do that jump thing over a alter and then charge a polesword or greatsword from way up in the air

great noob destroyer

[kind ginkgo]

It's the same as for pc; just need to adapt the inputs to the ones you have

But there isn't a video with controller inputs as far as I kne

Knw*

Most mechanics and combo videos are done with keyboard and mouse

[exotic marsh]

Hos

[mystic relic]

maybe try on #🎮┃console-chat see if anybody there can help

I once had a duel with a guy on songbird and I saw them do that but I don't remember their username. But at least it's doable with controller

[midnight grove]

cyra v1 or v2 for solos?

[slate sierra]

V1

[karmic wolf]

What is valda HP?

[kind ginkgo]

A lot 🤔

Depends on your souljades

Without ult, the same as everyone

With ult 2x

Or around that

[karmic wolf]

it feels way more than 2x

2x would be around a blue armor worth and is definitely not a blue armor

unless she has damage reduction too

[kind ginkgo]

2x considers shields aswell as far as I knw

But not totally sure

[olive sun]

@karmic wolf it's** this** much

[karmic wolf]

Haha, yeah that is totally x2

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Loyalight leveled up!

[olive sun]

though i don't remember it being really this much tho

3 bane explosions she's basically at 0 HP from full purple armor

then she use her V and took 5 more explosions and the V shield is still more than half?

so it means that her V shield can tank 10 bane explosions?

[karmic wolf]

Maybe some dmg reduction is going on?

[olive sun]

i mean even with the 20% dmg reduct from red potential last node it's still not right

[karmic wolf]

no I mean her water thing

the skill does not say anything but the amount of punishment she can take is ridiculous

[olive sun]

if it got build-in dmg reduct it should says so on skill description

[karmic wolf]

agree but it should also say how much HP it gives her

sooo

maybe they do not care enough

[olive sun]

damn, so you're saying if they want to ninja buff/nerf valda V we wouldn't know

we can only ''feels'' that it got buffed/nerfed

[karmic wolf]

less bitching?

😀

[olive sun]

smort devs

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-johnson-nodding-nodding-head-i-agree-i-approve-gif-27480928

[little cargo]

I can jump into training to testing out the number for you

[karmic wolf]

but how? I was thinking fixed DOT

since that cannot be reduced

but DOT is not very big in game to deal with that

amount of health

[little cargo]

I am the kind of madman who finds out Tessa exact value of charm hp

Let me be mad

[karmic wolf]

[little cargo]

With full damage reduction souljade, her HP would be 2900

Her exact amount without souljade is 2200hp

I replied to the wrong chat lmao

[karmic wolf]

How did you get it?

[little cargo]

If you asked how do I get these result, I am using the training bot custom training

I set it up so without the souljade, a white katana doing 3 stage 2 horizontal focus + vertical follow up dealing 2184 damage to be exact and it leave Valda's V with very little amount of hp left

While with full damage reduction souljade, a white Katana with the string of stage 2 vertical focus -> 3 stage 2 horizontal focus -> Horizontal -> Horizontal dealing exactly 2897 damage which leaves Valda V2 with very small amount of noticable hp left

I died tried GS 2 stage 3 Horizontal focus into a horizontal which deal 2290 damage when you have no reduction jade which deals enough to break the Valda's V2 hp

@karmic wolf HP souljade also scale with Valda V2, do you want me to test it also?

[karmic wolf]

This will confirm if your number is accurate actually, like not dmg reduction on ult by default

if you get the exact % increase on your numbers

[little cargo]

Well, even if there is a damage reduction on ult, the number should still be the same

I'm not using any method outside of butting my head against a wall and record the result

[karmic wolf]

if there is damage reduction the numbers will not be the same cuz you are using fixed damage, it should not be the exact same if there is dmg reduction?

that is why I was thinking DoT which are not affected

but too low not enough time

[hollow kettle]

Hiiii, does anyone have advice on playing matari ? I’ve been really enjoying playing her but I feel like I’m not doing her justice

[little cargo]

oh you talking about red path which provides damage reduction?

[karmic wolf]

no, but since she can take crazy amount of punishment I was thinking maybe is not only flat HP maybe there is a hidden damage reduction in her water thing

just mere speculation

[little cargo]

With max hp souljade, her blue armor is 3230 hp

[little cargo]

There could be damage reduction from gold focus at the beginning. But her F during V2 give gold focus without damage reduction

And the amount I talked about is calculated by watching Valda hp fall by using certain chain of attack to deal close to the exact amount of damage to drop her V2, so it was included the damage reduction from jades and other stuff

[karmic wolf]

damn so, would it be better for valda to use full HP instead of damage reduction?

haha

its a lot

[little cargo]

The damage reduction is quite clearer

It does reduced around 25% of damage

While increase of 48% hp result in around 46% of hp

Actually, nvm it is only around 20 different but hp jade for V2 is indeed make her more tanky

Same for character like Tianhai, Yueshan, Cyra too

HP jades increase their V ability to tank much more than damage reduction

[karmic wolf]

cool

well thanks for the data

its time for me to hit the pillow

have a good day

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[little cargo]

Good day, thank you for giving me a reason to boot up Naraka

[lost dagger]

Use f2 and v2. Use her like an assassin, her kit is really good for winning neutral and confirming kills. If needed it can be used to escape but only as a last resort. With v2 you can charge a blue and teleport before you release, you also can f, ult to get 2 more f charges, and cancel ult for a 4th f.

[hollow kettle]

Thank you 🙏

[lost dagger]

Np. That was just a brief overview. But let me know if u have more questions

[hollow kettle]

Thank you ! I’ll let you know once I play her more

[exotic marsh]

Does anyone have videos on matari TOD’s

possibly for noobs or non grapple combos

I dislike grapple combos

aesthetically uglies to me personally

[lost dagger]

Tod for noobs?

No such thing. Extended combos with matari require precise inputs and timing

[exotic marsh]

Ouch so where can I find those

[lost dagger]

I think @kind ginkgo has a couple videos

[solid patio]

hi how do u avoid wuchen 2nd v?

if u get hit by it

[exotic marsh]

Blue armor the little blades and dodge the big blades on the sound cue

if you are up in the air when it hits you then you are cooked. You messed up hard enough to be put in an air combo so. Don’t lose neutral like that

You can also find video examples of how to deal with wuchen ult here

#1305233289774239784 message

Good luck

[solid patio]

tyyyy

[kind ginkgo]

Would need to record them again, but I can send a few in 2 days 🤔👍👍

Preference for weapons?

(ATM I got a ton of Kylin ones)

[magic hinge]

Kurumi after nerf

F1 V2?

[chrome cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nfRb9S-J_g

[magic hinge]

Third partying?

Is this what video my opponents in trios keep watching?

[kind ginkgo]

Everyone should 🤔

Third partying can get you wind

[magic hinge]

Third partying is fun

Until you get fourth partied

[kind ginkgo]

Then it's a brawl

And we love big messy brawls

When not everyone is focusing you 🤔😂

[midnight grove]

valda f1 or f3 for solos?

[kind ginkgo]

Only f2 and F1 exist atm

Id recommend F2 (combo break) always

[midnight grove]

oops mb i meant f2 yea

but thanks

[kind ginkgo]

But if in solo you want to combo, or want to space in trios / duos, F1 is also a valiant choice

[midnight grove]

👍

[kind ginkgo]

👍👍

[magic hinge]

Happy New Year from Germanz

[calm nest]

Hey guys, I’m a returning player and was just wondering about the new character Cyra, comparing to Kurumi how good of a healer she is? I used to main Kurumi before and kinda wanna try Cyra, but I’m more of a support player rather than a fighter 😅😅

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | illy leveled up!

[magic hinge]

Cyra is not like a heal support

more like a controler and damage dealer

[calm nest]

Oh I see! Thank you for information. So who is the best choice for healing / support?

[calm nest]

Kurumi? I see, glad to be her again then 😅 I’ve seen some changes to her skills tho. Which one to use? I’ve been playing f1 v1 but before I used to play f2 v1. Any tips? Especially in terms of glyphs and stuff. Sorry if I’m annoying 😅

[magic hinge]

sorry i dont main her

but mz friend plays f1 v1 yeah

[calm nest]

Thank you 💜

[slim spire]

akos hu v f?

[kind ginkgo]

f2 (roar) and v2

genrally

[magic hinge]

I will keep defending my V1 until the end

even if I only ever use it in trios

[sharp belfry]

Hey, I'm a relatively new player. Do you have any guides on how to master combos perfectly? And what are the best settings in the game? (I'm talking, for example, about automatic grappling, etc.). I play Tarka Ji 😄

[ornate heart]

Yeah, could you give preference for weapons to play on matari please?

[kind ginkgo]

any is fine

LS, Katana, Heng sword are the most basic ones, since they give access to the widest range of combos

but aside from heavy weapons all is good

[ornate heart]

I mostly liked using staff, does it goes too?

[kind ginkgo]

it works

there is no weapon that makes a character

unless maybe tarka with katana, since they go insanely well togheter

it's all up to what you find in the game and the preference

[mystic relic]

personally for matari dagger works the best. Any weapon will work obviously but I find dagger to be really useful bc if you use her f2, you can cancel right after you hit them with your f and have enough time to charge a blue

like this

works with every weapon but I feel like the weapons you'll get more profit with are dagger, staff, katana, dual blades or halbers

if done right, they won't have the time to parry it bc of the stun

[olive sun]

LOL

[mystic relic]

Movement is just as important in naraka, so I'll be leaving a video for it too. Also if you main Tarka I'll recommend you watch dunking donuts since he mainly plays him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERpDpM4tck&t=599s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBggBRe6p3k&t=446s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGtVyGJVfT8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QQwVeW59iw&t=11s

mind you some videos are a bit old and there has been updates ever since but this will overall help you get a general grasp

[ornate heart]

Woah, thanks for not minding to help. These will be very useful

[ornate heart]

I've been using f1 and v1 all the time. Now, I see, I should've gone with 2s instead

[ornate heart]

I'll definitely try to do this. And also,could you please tell what combo can be done with staff using her 2s?

[rocky dove]

Staff H uv vv f h uv vv half charge H don’t know if it’ll work but that’s what I thought of out the blue for matari staff

[olive sun]

don't listen to him cause he's wrong 🙂 you can't confirm a blue charge after F2 hit, only light attack

on his clip his opponent just didn't dodge

and since you can only confirm a light attack, any weapon that allow you to start a combo with a light attack is good, which make him wrong again when he said dagger is the best weapon for matari

because dagger light attack got short stagger duration and won't be enough for you to do an uppercut into combo
at best you can only do F into uppercut into jump horizontal x2 but that combo deal miserable low damage

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[olive sun]

for matari F2 V2 you always want to have a combo weapon on 1st slot (anything but fan/dagger/ps/gs), 2nd slot you may consider equipping a greatsword
for staff it's best if you can do the 211 combo, but it's an advanced combo, other than that something like F into uppercut into jump horizontal x2 is fine

the reason for gs at 2nd slot is for weapon swap combo and for the V2 teleport instant blue release

cuz greatsword blue is the highest dmg blue in the game

[ornate heart]

Ah, I see

[ornate heart]

Gotcha

[ornate heart]

Thx

I'll try that

[rocky dove]

I never said a confirmed blue and also said I don’t know if it would work

[rocky dove]

Also don’t know if you were mentioning me XD

[olive sun]

i wasn't

[kind ginkgo]

wut, this is a thing!?!?

[mystic relic]

Yup

You can cancel her f2 anytime to combo like with Justina's dash

[kind ginkgo]

That I knew

I meant I didn't knw that you can 1.0 with the f stagger

[olive sun]

because you can't

[mystic relic]

So is this bc of ping?

#🙎┃character-guides message

[kind ginkgo]

Should be 🤔

That's why I was so surprised

[olive sun]

idk, your opponent just decide to stay still

[mystic relic]

I gotta check for more clips but I think most ppl can't dodge out. But idk if it's bc of ping

[kind ginkgo]

You can see in the clip that there is a slight lag

When you release the enemy warps back a bit 🤔

[olive sun]

it's not a true combo, that's all

[kind ginkgo]

^
That

[olive sun]

as for why they couldn't dodge out, ping or fps or rubberband or whatever

but

it's not a true combo, period

[mystic relic]

Well for once ping is on my side I guess

[olive sun]

and if it's not a true combo then there will be ppl who can dodge out

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂😂

[mystic relic]

Yup they do

[kind ginkgo]

Everyone should be able to; it's untrue all the way 👍

[olive sun]

i mean in my games i still do ADA uppercut with db/dh and most of the time ppl can't dodge out

but it's an untrue, and always will be

[kind ginkgo]

Yeah, that's weird, but it is what it is

[karmic wolf]

What is ADA uppercut?

[olive sun]

attack dash attack

[karmic wolf]

Kinda knew but wanted to be sure

with staff works too, not against bots but players can fall for it

[kind ginkgo]

Most players don't 🤔👍

Max hits you can get before confirming an uppercut is 2 👍

Aside some untrue things that work because of ping or fos

Fps*

[midnight grove]

is lyam still meta rn for solos

[kind ginkgo]

he's good, yeah

[vernal sparrow]

Free anti parry, solid cc off ult. If you read other ults right you can deny valda, takeda, im not 100% on Justina. But it’s overall a great ult for solos still.

Also aggressively using ult to set up blues they can’t parry is nice if you get timing down. But it’s not the most productive unless you third party.

[midnight grove]

cool thanks

[rocky dove]

As a lyam main he is great in solos not so much in team play unless you have solid teamwork and can work off his stuns

[karmic moth]

what F and V justina goes

[magic hinge]

F2 V1 probably

[rocky dove]

Anyone got tips on positioning to combo off Lyam’s ult?

[plucky quiver]

Fan is one of the best Matari weapons wym

F Into Uppercut into focus into jump RMB is one of the most damaging and quick attacks for Matari

[mystic relic]

@ornate heart so this combo is untrue

High ping can get rubberbanded, while low ping will be able to dodge out of it. So keep that in mind

Thanks to @plucky quiver for the clarification

[olive sun]

''most damaging''? lmao ofc, because the jrmb is untrue

[slim spire]

which f and v you guys use with kurumi playing duos?