🔱┃weapons-combat

[viscid kelp]

Fistblades had their stagger nerfed like 5 times and are still problematic

They released with 2 soft true infinites

[stray mason]

Sad for non CN users

I assume they will see this beign a problem unce everyone starts abussing it

Like the heaven step thing or fan infinite

[viscid kelp]

That tech is ancient

Like over a year old

[stray mason]

Yeah like heaven step that it was old too, and now can be done with duals too

But really who wants to play a game in which you get 1 stagger and you are dead? Neutral is a joke then

[viscid kelp]

Heavenstep/fan infinite were mostly removed because they created an abomination like Matari that can neutral skip 4 times

So CN became Matari into infinite

x48

per lobby

[stray mason]

I know, if everybody abuse one thing then is removed/patch/nerfed/fixed

If no body uses it is not worthy to take accions on that

So maybe is time to learn those c*nc3r combos...

So shitty man

[viscid kelp]

Combos are part of the skill ceiling, so yeah, I would say investing into them is good

[stray mason]

I mean, investing time on things that shouldn't be true is a little demotivating...

and I mean combos are not the problem, but confirms that are untrue depending on your FPS is the thing that kills me

[viscid kelp]

I mean this has very little to do with fps really

Whether you can dodge just depends on ping

Higher ping pulls back dodges

Be like that

[stray mason]

No i mean to exectue those untrue connects

[viscid kelp]

Yeah

They can be done on any fps

This being undodgable is purely a ping thing

[stray mason]

You sure?

[viscid kelp]

With input overlay

[viscid kelp]

Well, not on 10fps, but you get the idea

Bot is not on dodge mode btw, just a demonstration with inputs/how it should look

[stray mason]

Oh ok, just making stupid practices with bot dodging rn lmao

[viscid kelp]

Yeah bot will usually dodge it either way, because the bot cancels desync and is on 0ms
He's a little cheater that shouldn't be trusted

[stray mason]

Well if they are possible just i'll take time to spam those shitty ass connects

I really don't like the game being like that but it is what it is..

I hope they fix those things

[undone anchor]

!?!?!?!?

we sure that this is balanced

[viscid kelp]

It's not

oh yeah and one thing I forgot, I think if your ping is a lot higher than the enemy's, it might not work
The issue is, if your ping is high, your swap is slower, and if their ping is low, their hold is faster

So the bigger the discrepancy the worse it will be

So while fps wise it's kinda forgiving usually, ping wise it absolutely is not

[stray mason]

For real i think this kind of things has to be fixed...

I see your video and i tried to do it the faster i can and i cannot do it that fast

[viscid kelp]

Find a way to give everyone in CN +20ms

and it will be fixed in like

3 months

[stray mason]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-gif-21375906

Time to hack

[viscid kelp]

[stray mason]

How many fps do you do it in here?

[viscid kelp]

Oh I didn't have my fps overlay on, weirdge

I assume like 200

In free training I usually have 180-220fps while recording
Ingame more like 110-140

[stray mason]

Shiii.. no I wouldn't be able to do it that fast then

Cap on 120 fps, i believe it can be done just a bit slower

[viscid kelp]

Here I did it with 100fps cap

Should also show fps doesn't change a ton

Ping however makes the swap worse

[stray mason]

How much ping is worth to do it?

[viscid kelp]

I honestly couldn't tell you, I haven't tried it on various ping ranges. It's just a general rule that swaps slow down as ping increases, especially crouch/dodge swaps, and this trap is very tight

I think it will also depend on your enemy's ping a fair bit

Because higher ping means your blue focus armor is slower, takes longer to protect from light attacks

So if your enemy has higher ping, a slower swap is okay

[stray mason]

So in average like having 45 up to 60 ms is ok?
And if your opponent has like above 50 would be worth doing those traps

[viscid kelp]

On low enough ping, you can actually focus armor Shayol V2 -> lmb
Doesn't work on 20ms+, only below that

[stray mason]

Or i missunderstood?

[viscid kelp]

Try to get it down as fast as you can, ideally try somewhat matching my videos

If you did that, try it on a buddy in custom

That's gonna be the best way to figure out how well it will work for you

For this one I feel like swapping with mousewheel is better than 1/2, but might be skill issue
Just as a heads up

[stray mason]

Like this is ok?

[viscid kelp]

Maybe a bit slow on the dodge swap still
The order is dodge->swap->lmb but it should happen almost at the same time

With dagger it's even less true btw, DB has better stagger

Not sure how fast you can ultimately get it with that ping though

[stray mason]

I know, the thing is that it was done with dagger to me

[stray mason]

sad

[viscid kelp]

If I remember I can test it at some point, I have a software to change my ping for that

[stray mason]

Maybe like this

[viscid kelp]

That looked solid

[stray mason]

Well i'll practice it more, ty for helping me
I hope this gets patched or something i really don't like this kind of confirms being meta

Nvm hope to see them meta, just to nerf them

[neat hound]

dualblades+katana always been cringe

[silk shore]

is learning on controller significantly more difficult than kb + m?

[lusty cosmos]

Not necessarily. There isn't much difference besides a few things like inventory management. Overall kbm would be better to learn, but if you prefer controller than go with that

[stray mason]

Yeah same as katana dagger, i don't know which one is worst

[undone anchor]

Db

By far

[silk shore]

Are there any up-to-date recommended videos/guides anywhere?

[lusty cosmos]

You can check out the pinned messages in #🔱┃weapons-combat and #🙎┃character-guides
There are also plenty of great guides on yt and of course you can always learn from streams of high rank players or official tournaments.
Also look out for the next announcement in #🏋┃dojo-coaching when signups open for the next free weekly coaching session you already got the dojo role so you will get a notification

[silk shore]

ty ty, I'm going through a bread and butter combo video rn.
Is the longsword grapple into Focus Vertical a true combo on a bot set to evade? I feel like I miss the focus attack by a fraction of a second

[undone anchor]

Grapple combos are all true on the bot aswell

👍

[silk shore]

oof. I can't land it and I don't know why

[undone anchor]

Send a clip, we can try and help 👍👍

[undone anchor]

sry for the delay, but i would suggest 2 things as of now:

1. try playing around a bit with the grapple position; your grapple timing is correct, but the bump is too behind you, which usually does not happen

2. start holding focus during the grapple animation; there is a delay between the bump and the focus state; this is mostly due to the fact that you wait for the bump to hold focus 👍

here is a reference video, maybe it can help

[silk shore]

ty for the feedback

i start holding focus (RT on my controller) before the grapple comes out, still during the spin animation

[undone anchor]

yw!

[undone anchor]

🤔

then it's mostly grapple position

i'm not an expert on controllers sadly 😅

[silk shore]

this is driving me crazy ;_;

[undone anchor]

you chose the hardest grapple focus to land, it's normal 👍

since the focus attack is that small in hitbox, it's harder to hit aswell 😆

[silk shore]

at least i have the auto aim for that lol

[undone anchor]

It has it's limits 🤔😂👍

The width and the speed the focus gets released impact on the fact of whether the focus will hit or not

For example in my experience the katana vertical focus is the easiest to hit after a grapple bump

[silk shore]

wdym? Like the animation is different if you make contact?

[undone anchor]

Nah

[silk shore]

or do you mean just the different attacks between weapons

[undone anchor]

Exactly that

Katana vertical focus can catch the beginning of the roll aswell, so it's a bit more lenient in a grapple combo

[silk shore]

lol i'll try the easier weapons tomorrow then so i feel better

[final escarp]

How to do 3 aerial horizontals after double uppercut with katana? I can only do 2 but ik others can do 3 on the bot

I feel like after my 2nd uppercut my opponent should come out higher

[undone anchor]

FPS, terrain, timing 👍🤔

[final escarp]

it's possible on flat terrain

and fps should be enough

the timing is what I don't have

[undone anchor]

It is possible indeed, but slightly downwards terrain helps a lot with it

[final escarp]

btw wanna play duos?@undone anchor

[undone anchor]

I'm at uni

[stray mason]

Is there a trick to do floating V-H-Focus instead of H-H-Focus with katana?

[undone anchor]

wym?

by floating vertical

[stray mason]

Hitting Vertical instead of Horizontal to start the floating

Usually everyone does H to do it

But i see people using V

[wary escarp]

No, Vertical first hit will not have enough stagger to do so

[stray mason]

I believe it is possible

[wary escarp]

Well, it is possible if your opponent has high ping or a really bad pc

But if you consider your enemy just have decent fps and ping, vertical into horizontal to start combo is not possible

[lusty cosmos]

I think they meant the float combo, as a way to end it.

[wary escarp]

Oh, then I am a dum dum then

[lusty cosmos]

It is. Just slightly different timing. I believe there is a video on https://nararaka.com/combos that shows it

[stray mason]

That is not very old in comparison with the new updates?

Enemy body tend to fall faster than in those times

[lusty cosmos]

Should still work

But tighter timing

[stray mason]

Ok i'll try it then

Ty

[silk shore]

i am 90% convinced the longsword grapple broken ;_;

[viscid kelp]

Longsword has one of the slowest release animations alongside spear rmb focus

So it's normal that its grapple focus combo is the hardest, despite its usually good bump

[silk shore]

I see a few videos where they start the animation sooner than I can, something about holding a directional key while grappling?

[meager trail]

don't need that
there's just something you should keep in mind while doing grapple combo

these things

[silk shore]

I've been relying on the buffer hoping that compensates for low FPS

[meager trail]

hm fps you got?

[silk shore]

gotta check when I get home but I'm sure less than 60

[meager trail]

that's tough

[edgy osprey]

come guys Bloodbath EU is in queue

[silk shore]

got it up to 120 fps. I've landed it once now.

[neat steppe]

@undone anchor here

i dunno how to fix

[undone anchor]

try to grapple closer; you want the bump to be in front of you, not behind or to the side

[neat steppe]

yeah

[undone anchor]

try that; if it still does not work, try going a bit less to the right with the grapple

[neat steppe]

thank you i almost do it

[undone anchor]

nice!

keep at it, you are really close 👍

[supple vector]

hey, any tips how to play against bots? i always feel locked in infinite combos and cant get away from them :/

[undone anchor]

hello; what you ask is a really important question indeed 👍

first of all, it's good to know that in this game there are not that many infinitel combos, especially if we are talking about not using any skill

in my experience, the mistake oyu are doing in this specific moment is that you are most likely not holding the focus stance long enough

ideally when you hit the ground after a uppercut, ot get hit 3 times in a row while on the ground, the enemy cant keep the combo going

i would suggest then watching 2 specifi cvideos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU&t=93s

this one for the basics of the combat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZw3aPhmgiE&t=189s

and this one

aside form that, for bot specifically; try to never release blue focus attacks, unless you manage to react to a parry the bot did at some point, and combo them after if possible

htey have 0 ms, so it's harder to do some things against them, but with practice you will see a few aprrrterns 👍

[supple vector]

wow thank you for your answer, ill look into the videos and try my best to learn those things

[undone anchor]

you're welcome

if you need further help dont hesitate to ask; i also take the moment to recommend joining our weekly dojos (free coaching sessions in this server for players of all levels 👍 it's a nice thing from the community to the community #🏋┃dojo-coaching )

[supple vector]

yea i have seen the combat training i hope i'll have time for it 🙂

[silk shore]

I am happy to report that I finally got it down

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-clap-clapping-clapping-gif-gif-3962014923707235210

very nice

[undone anchor]

Let's gooo!!

[pliant bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-kwpdH-B_U

[lusty cosmos]

Awesome video zay!

[pliant bough]

thnx man ❤️ @lusty cosmos

[solar wyvern]

Whenever im doing an uppercut combo im always flying too high

This makes me unable to do the grapple combo

Any tips?

Im on controller

Also is buying those control rings helpful? Or is there any accessories i can use to improve myself?

[undone anchor]

Controller and console or controller on pc?

[solar wyvern]

On ps5

[undone anchor]

(if you go too high, it means that you are grappling too late; you need to input it as soon as the uppercut animation starts, your goal is to cancel it and not leave the ground)

[solar wyvern]

Oh ok

[undone anchor]

There is an FPS problem for console; they are usually locked at around 60-70 FPS; to pull this combo off consistently you need at least 80 I would say

[solar wyvern]

Also does ping affect your input cuz im getting like 80-90ms

[undone anchor]

And there too is still a bit limit. Optimal is 100+ fps

[undone anchor]

Yes, it does

[solar wyvern]

Danggg

[undone anchor]

FPS and ms impact the speed animation and the speed of execution of the command

[final escarp]

the dagger combo is only soft true or completely true?

[solar wyvern]

Damn so theres no way i can do proper combos

No wonder my inputs were so late😔

[undone anchor]

Most likely you are also slow on the inputs; i said hard to pull off consistently 👍👍

It is still possible, just precise

[solar wyvern]

Will try to practice more

Thx

[undone anchor]

👍👍

[pliant bough]

its true, but sometimes the rmb at the end can miss, you can do lmb then instead

[final escarp]

[warped kettle]

Hola

[proper elm]

D

[undone anchor]

Hello

[dusky harness]

[final escarp]

Why is dual blades katana such a good combination?

[undone anchor]

cuz of the crouch swap

[meager trail]

db rmb is fast and have a long reach, really good to catch enemy, but its stagger duration is short so you can't start a combo with just the db (only 1-2 is true), katana swap is the perfect missing piece for it since kata lmb is short reach but long stagger duration
in short, use db to tech chase and catch ur opponent, once you hit it swap to katana to start the combo

[neat hound]

everyone hates it unless u the one using it

[final escarp]

is that not possible with dB and sth like longsword or fistblades?

[neat hound]

they sound very untrue

[undone anchor]

Fistblades nop

Ls I have no clue, but most likely not

[final escarp]

did you test the stagger?

[undone anchor]

animation is too slow to permit capitalizing on the stagger from vertical on DB

[final escarp]

ty

[honest crescent]

@honest crescent

[cinder thorn]

its very fun to use tbf

[raw widget]

I hope we get new weapons in me season

Scythe would be dope

Or big gauntlet

[cinder thorn]

i am scared of new weapons

just add alternate longsword tbh

[pure steppe]

Hi quick question on this, so is it like tech chade with DB_RMB > (swap) Katana_LMB into combo?

or chase with DB_RMB then DB_LMB into the katana LMB?

Sorry, i just discovered this is a thing, and was wondering how it works with the db swap.

[undone anchor]

It's a crouch swap

[meager trail]

db rmb for tech chase (fast, long reach), once you confirm a hit on ur opponent (prio siezed), crouch swap to katana and lmb (long stagger duration) to start the combo

then if ur combo ends with a charge attack you could swap back to db to perfom the charge attack instead of katana charge attack, cuz db charge does more damages

[pure steppe]

sick, is there a point where you input or pre-input the swap? for example after or before grapple bump

[meager trail]

you could pre-input the swap right after grapple fired

and pre-input the charge attack right after, before you bumped onto ur opponent

[craggy drum]

And how do u do the crouch swap

Just like db.V-crouch-katana.h

Or is there any technique

[undone anchor]

Pretty much that

It's just timing

[craggy drum]

Okay I'll try it in training thank u very much

[sacred mortar]

What is the most balanced weapon overall in terms of as, ad, moves etc, like what is the best for starters

[meager trail]

dh, staff, hengsword

[sacred mortar]

Alr

[wispy locust]

Can someone explain to me best way of using dual blades? (Im kinda new)

[wispy locust]

What stagger means?

[wispy locust]

What combo on katana? And what tech chase means?

[meager trail]

a form crowd control caused by weapon attacks, enemy is unable to act if they got staggered (unless they use abilities that are labelled ''can be use under attack'')

[meager trail]

for combos, youtube is your best friend
tech chase and fight states explaining: https://youtu.be/MZw3aPhmgiE

[wispy locust]

Thx

[undone anchor]

And fan aswell

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Edward leveled up!

[sacred mortar]

Is longsword good?

[undone anchor]

LS is good, but mostly at neutral; focus releases are slow 🤔👍👍

So if you play longsword I would recommend playing everything around your hold checking 🤔👍

[sacred mortar]

Alr ty for help

[undone anchor]

Np

[sacred mortar]

how do u even counter spear? its such a cringe and broken weapon.

[undone anchor]

Not really

Fistblades and Heng sword are way worse

The only thing to never do against spear is parry, unless you got some distance

As soon as they start charging, take some distance back, and you will be able to parry everything they do on reaction, especially vertical focus and 1.5 focus

Horizontal one you only can dodge backwards and parry the second hit

Or clash

[sacred mortar]

oh wait so its more worth trying to go away rather taking some hits in?

[undone anchor]

Yep

Always

A rule of thumb should always be to not parry but try to dodge, unless you are sure they will release

And this works on any weapon; dash back, react to whatever they do after

Best case u can punish them, worst case, u reset neutrsl

Neutral*

[sacred mortar]

oh i see

[undone anchor]

It is hard, but way easier than to try and guess a parry

Remember to tap dodge if you want to create distance btw; it's the safest option unless u want a faster reaction

[sacred mortar]

but is it possible to escape if they get u in the combo with no focus attacks which are parryable

[undone anchor]

What combo?

Uppercut into juggle?

[dim abyss]

show a clip of how it's killing u

[sacred mortar]

ye

[dim abyss]

and i will tell u how to not die like that

[sacred mortar]

anything with uppercut

[undone anchor]

The sec you hit the ground u are free from the combo

On any weapon, if they don't use any ability

[dim abyss]

if u get hit by combo starter and uppercut theres nothing u can do except use combo breaker

[sacred mortar]

oh accually?

dan

dam

i never tried escaping

[dim abyss]

not really

[sacred mortar]

i thought i was placelock stunned

[dim abyss]

since spear has grapple combo now

[sacred mortar]

alr

[undone anchor]

Yep; combos in this game mostly end the sec I hit the ground; after that is a matter of avoiding the tech chase

[dim abyss]

but to start, u can just spam shift + away keys

until you get up off the ground

and as you play you will learn what the actual timing is so you don't spam

[undone anchor]

Still part of the uppercut combo; with grapple u don't touch the ground

[dim abyss]

fair

anyways the real solution is to learn how to not eat combos

you cannot be combo started on while holding blue focus

so to "counter" combo starters just hold focus

[undone anchor]

Every combo ends when u are on the ground, since stagger meter fills up and u can't get staggered while downed generally

[sacred mortar]

i see, well thank both of u for help

[undone anchor]

Np

[sacred mortar]

alr

[undone anchor]

Have u watched a video on hold checking?

[sacred mortar]

no, not really

[dim abyss]

u should

[sacred mortar]

i watched on basic combat

[undone anchor]

Lemme link one to you; it can be really useful

[sacred mortar]

and like tips on weapons i use

[dim abyss]

penemue's?

[undone anchor]

Since hold checking is the base of fighting in naraka

[undone anchor]

Ye

[sacred mortar]

i only know its like when u charge focus and cancle no?

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=mE5qBqtUq7nhReXo

Yeah, but it's not as easy as that

[sacred mortar]

alr ima watch it

[undone anchor]

Here heaven does a nice job explaining it

[dim abyss]

that's exactly what it is

good luck

[sacred mortar]

thank you

[undone anchor]

Yep

[sacred mortar]

btw i recognise ur name

[undone anchor]

If you need further help we are here for you 👍👍

[sacred mortar]

u from balkans

by any chance?

[dim abyss]

da

[sacred mortar]

alr

[sacred mortar]

a najs

[sacred mortar]

@dim abyss @undone anchor acc ty both of u for help i watched that vid and used ur tips and acc dominated in one bloodbath match

[dim abyss]

go do it in ranked

bloodbath = bots

u won't improve there

[sacred mortar]

i dont even have ranked unlocked 😭

im only lvl 36

ive got more playing to do

[restive lake]

im lvl 7 be happy

[dim abyss]

diabolical

u will unlock it fast

[cyan falcon]

How do you do 211 on controller?

[storm void]

Hi

Regarding the Halloween event, what to expect?

[placid marlin]

im really strugling doing 211 is there anything i could do more to get used to it or just need to keep trying

[undone anchor]

Not doable usually

Like, the inputs work, but console does not have enough FPS to allow it

[undone anchor]

Send a clip of you trying, we can figure out the problem togheter if you want 👍👍👍

[undone anchor]

No idea, but I recommend checking for this kind of info in either #❓┃help , #💬┃general-chat or #1286185822835703889

Here you will only receive answers about combos or combat in naraka 👍👍

[cyan falcon]

Im pc now, i just still use controller

[undone anchor]

It's feasible then 👍

[cyan falcon]

Yis.. but how?

[undone anchor]

Same inputs and timings as the normal 211 🤔

Not sure I understand the question 🤔

Ilu just need to translate the inputs for any keyboard and mouse tutorial into controller keys 🤔 👍👍

[quartz geyser]

https://www.tiktok.com/@sickgunzofficial/video/7338552988593868078

[cyan falcon]

Ty this is interesting tho… i thought 211 has to have unsheathing or whatever… theres no bind for it..

Ill have to try it later cause im still not exactly sure what hes pressing tho.. i wonder if he has his controller binds changed

Would so so much easier if i could just bind my elite controllers paddles for these inputs

[undone anchor]

no unsheating; the name 211 just is a weapon swap

practically u do a swap, and then reverse it

the first one is at the top of the uppercut; after that u dodge, and u cancel the whole dodge animation wiht a second swap into focus

[cyan falcon]

Ill try later today. Thank you!

[undone anchor]

np

[storm void]

There isn't a chat dedicated to Naraka. That's why I posted here.

Though, I am a community moderator too.

[undone anchor]

??

General should be dedicated to Naraka , but it's true that it does not always seem like it 🤔😅

[stray mason]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/INTcKqsAi8I

How is this so consistent?

[dim abyss]

check his playtime

u will see thousands of hours

that's thousands of hours practicing the right things and improving on what was bad

the title says it too

[stray mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058165069499879514/1264976589117194372/icon_bubble_waitou.gif

The question was how to make the carrousel consistent, no why is he making it look that consistent

[dim abyss]

carousel is really hard to get consistent

[stray mason]

Look at the imputs he press W some seconds after the uppercut

[stray mason]

I know, that was my question..

How to get it more optimal without a wall

[dim abyss]

i will send u a video sec

[undone anchor]

Carousel w timing all depends on terrain, FPS, ms, direction from which you hit the enemy for the bump (like from his left side, front, back,...)

Either you spend a lot of time to find the specifics for you, or it's going to be hard to get consistently

[stray mason]

So basically is a combo where you have to make it specific for your specs

[undone anchor]

Pretty much, yeah

For example, for someone I know, it's best starting to press w when they hear the sound queue for the second hit on the uppercut, while for someone else is mid uppercut anomation

Or for others at the peak of the uppercut, or even after,...

I got a good setting with Kylin f2 eventually, but it's not technically a full carousel 🤔, and the setting itself isn't true, although it catches people off guard most of the times

[quartz geyser]

So after all changes and such is there any difference in quick parry vs compo ? Most of the time iam geting mixed answers so i would like to get a clean answear afterall and if there is a difference than when exactly

[undone anchor]

Not really no; composite is slightly faster in activation in some instances

Only real moment where composite is better, is right after a dodge; in that case the composite parry is 2 times. Faster than quick parry

[neat hound]

i always just have both parries on

just incase

[undone anchor]

It is always better to have both

As said quick parry is mostly the same; aside from that dodge parry

[wary escarp]

Holy, I just realized it has been 10 days since @viscid kelp chat in here Uncanny

[undone anchor]

😱😱😱

We lost him 😱

[viscid kelp]

I still live, I'm just fairly checked out of Naraka at the moment

But I can still answer questions, unless they're about current meta or w/e

[wary escarp]

Alright, stay safe tho

[viscid kelp]

[undone anchor]

So u got no interesting spear double uppercut techs yet 🤔😓

[sacred mortar]

yoo justina gu, valda cui or kylin zhang which is the best?

[neat hound]

kylin meta rn

cringe character tho

idk if the updates nerfed him or not

[naive plaza]

Updates definitely nerfed him but he’s 100% still viable

[winged peak]

how do you do the special staff charge attack

[distant relic]

you have to have a specific soul jade for the special weapon attacks

[dim abyss]

release at perfect timing of the 2nd flash

[silk yoke]

Does anyone know anyway to figure out the grapple combo thing that people are doing,,, im seeing a lot of combo guides that are updated such as the one in the most recent pins. I have the dummy in the training mode set up right. Even connecting basic stuff like katana (lmb). crouch cancel (lmb), uppercut doesnt even wanna cooperate right?

[meager trail]

wdym uppercut doesn't even wanna cooperate

[silk yoke]

like it doesnt connect despite me doing the input at the fastest available time. the bot dodges before then? If there is something im missing it's not easy for me to distinguish nor articulate what is going on with it

the uppercut will come out it just wont connect in time before the bot dodges out of it

hence not cooperating is what i mean and I'm struggling to understand

I mean ill be the first to tell you it can easily be a skill issue on my part im just trying to figure it out with the tools available

I can connect a running lmb to another running lmb then do the uppercut just fine on katana. Not so much ( lmb ,crouch cancel lmb, uppercut)

Very weird stuff

[pure steppe]

Would you happen to have a clip of that? It's really easier for people in here to help out if you have a short video.

[meager trail]

for ACCA you need to do 2x crouching (attack > hold crouch > tap crouch > attack)

hold crouch: until your character entered crouching state
tap crouch: stand back up

speed and precision

[undone anchor]

well saaid 👍

[silk yoke]

Didn't want to do that outright as I thought it was against the rules of the channel. I'll clip it now then

[silk yoke]

its uploading had some difficulties but ill have it soon

https://youtu.be/TW3LFJ2YUvk

[silk yoke]

Ill attempt it

[meager trail]

yeah u're just doing ACA

you're supposed to do ACCA as i mentioned above

the crouching lmb stagger duration is not enough to confirm the uppercut

so you need to tap crouch again to stand back up and do the normal lmb then uppercut

[silk yoke]

^ I just had to muscle memory the the hold crouch tap crouch part never done that before ty for clearing that up. In my head when people say crouch cancel I just think of tapping the button once. It worked when I did that way

Lowkey feel stupid but at least i learned something new

[undone anchor]

your second attack is still crouched, u need to "decrouch" in order to hit that

being still in the crouch makes the attack a crouch horizontal, which has a slower animation and a shorter stagger, hence why u cannot connect the uppercut 👍

[winged peak]

ty

[charred yew]

Yeah it is, I was about to say the same.

[charred yew]

You need to start crouch hold when lmb attack animation is still performing, so that after that animation done you will auto start to crouch and you are keep holding it until you almost(or not almost, but fully) sit then unpress and tap crouch again. When you learn this you can start do this slowly, doesn't matter will the bot dodge or not. Slowly to feel it first. Then little by little you need to start to do it faster and faster. And at some point finally you'll see that you do it so fast that bot can't dodge and it is working.

[random shale]

guys i am new, do you guys know about free redeem code?

[undone anchor]

as of now there are none aviable in the game

[deft kestrel]

[meager trail]

TIL Soulshatter could do this

[undone anchor]

!?!?!?!??!??!?!

wtf!?!?!?!?!?

wut

!?!?

[cinder thorn]

insane cancel

is that new

maybe they added it after making soulshatter slow as shit

[undone anchor]

not that i knew og

of*

[cyan falcon]

After i left a while and came back to soul shatter being that slow i aint know what to do lol

Game companies tend to over nerf everything

[cinder thorn]

It’s still a combo starter so ignoring tai chi fan which is better, I think it’s okay if you can play safely

You can probably grapple cancel it now as well which gives it some mixup potential I guess

[meager trail]

ikr 😂

after performing that sht i was like

but i went to test it in practice room and turn out it's intended

[pulsar dock]

[celest tundra]

🤓

[sly ore]

I accidentally started reading from here:

Slowly to feel it first. Then little by little you need to start to do it faster and faster.

I got so confused for a moment

[sly ore]

Wait so was there a grapple cancel or did you just scissor parry or quick parry? When I watched I didn't see a grapple cancel

[meager trail]

just a quick parry

[sly ore]

Hmm ok

I'll test if I can scissor parry too

I'm too old school for quick parry

[sly ore]

Also what's his ping

If it's stable at 35+ it might not be particularly hard to get it consistent

Most of my carousels fail because my Uppercut height is too low

Because I'm on 5-8 ping

Gotta be frame perfect to hit it there

When I was playing on 50ish ping I instantly got 90% hit rate, it's so much easier

If he can do it on low ping the he's really good though

[feral belfry]

[sleek shard]

[undone anchor]

@jovial quail u want your combo to look smth like this with the LS and grapple 👍

never leaving the ground when you uppercut

[hoary musk]

sa

nice combo ,

❤️

[charred yew]

[undone anchor]

smth i am working on atm

more of a flex than a useful combo 😆

flashy but definitely too low dmg as of now

and not fully true (the dash after chocking them is untrue, but unless they spam abilities, you will hit them, because no one expects that)

[snow gyro]

Where do you guys learn combos from. The complex ones. I am trying to start combos. And was wondering about it

[snow gyro]

Also, I was practicing the basic Grappling Hook Combo with long sword and katana. I was able to grapple but was unable to to hit the charged attack everytime.
I can't send the file or YT link (for my uploads) as I need to send few messages to have that permission .

[cinder thorn]

can't players instantly dodge out after canceling the kylin grab

i thought the bot just didn't recognise it as an attack or something

[undone anchor]

Yep, but they won't mostly expect it 👍, so either they are mashing and you catch them, or they stand still 👍👍

(that's why I said that the combo is untrue; I just listed only one of the two reasons tho)

I have a similar one with LS that I hit consistently on people with the same idea

[wary escarp]

I think you can only do this with composite parry no?

Let me test, since composite parry have a funky way to work

[wary escarp]

WAIT THAT A QUICK PARRY?

[meager trail]

yea

[wary escarp]

Usually when an attack almost come out but result in a parry is composite parry doing but this is... ugh

[meager trail]

yeah but this is not ''almost come out''

it already out

[pallid rune]

You can do the same with soulbreak too, no?

[wary escarp]

No, you can only parry with soulbreak at the start up of the attack, not after you already moving toward your opponent

[pallid rune]

ok!

[pseudo surge]

ok I just got killed by something I've never seen before, someone riding a horse with a polesword I believe, is that thanks to a souljade?

[meager trail]

yes

the overcomer

[pseudo surge]

can you parry it or cancel it with a focus attack?

[meager trail]

you can

the sj hitbox is whacky though

[undone anchor]

yes, justr parry slightly before what you think you should parry 👍

cuz it's coming to you, not standing still

[pseudo surge]

can you cancel it with a focus attack?

[undone anchor]

yes, it will clash

it's not a golden focus 👍

as long as it's not golden focus, it will clash

(same goes for purple, that one too clashes)

[pseudo surge]

ok thanks 🙂

[undone anchor]

npnp

[loud garnet]

Repeater crossbow + Bow = yes

[undone anchor]

?

[loud garnet]

I accidentally won using a crossbow and bow

[undone anchor]

wp

[dark hornet]

I saw someone dual wield spear and staff, how do you even do that?

[undone anchor]

Attack once with spear or staff, press the button to swap to the other weapon right after, spam attacks 🤔👍

[dark hornet]

thanks

[undone anchor]

Np

[dim abyss]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/iZq2cGjtleZ57bmuK?invite=cr-MSxtMzYsMTExNzEyNDA3LA

can i get any true followup combo after this kick

[undone anchor]

Not that I know of, no

[viscid kelp]

You can weapon swap into high stagger combo starters

So katana/heng lmb for example

[dim abyss]

oh wow

strong

thanks taka

[supple vector]

Hey,
Is there a good Fan Guide out there?

[dim abyss]

here's one

your basic fan playbook:

1. your primary tool is holding your focus attack from a long distance where you are able to hit them but they are not able to hit you - even if you get parried from here, if they are a bad player they will try to counter and it will miss you - here you are at a range where they cannot pressure you but you can pressure them so you put them on the defensive, a lot of people panic and parry too early which can give you free damage, so don't be afraid to hold it for a long time to make them make a mistake, it's very scary to play against a fan player who is patient with focus attacks and can read your patterns. Get your self familiar with this video to fully take advantage.
2. don't forget about the wind gust attack, it's very good in team fights and even 1v1s to alleviate pressure or mix it up or to CC enemies for your teammates to get free hits
3. your basic combo for when you think they will fall for your parry bait is LMB/RMB -> Crouch LMB -> RMB, this will not work on the practice but but it will work on players
4. There is also an uppercut combo I believe that is Uppercut -> LMB LMB -> Land on the ground -> Instantly jump LMB LMB again -> RMB, but to be sure you can test this one

@supple vector

[supple vector]

Thank you for this detailed Information!

[dim abyss]

@tepid trellis
heng/katana/dual weapons/longsword - combo start -> uppercut -> grapple combo (with dual weapons, acca is only soft true)
spear - if you have high fps you can do grapple combo with the new horizontal focus, if not, you can do the following:
staff/spear - combo start -> uppercut -> land -> rmb -> rmb -> crouch lmb, or just double jumping lmb after uppercut
dagger/fan i explained above to gido
nunchucks - combo start -> uppercut -> air lmb -> land -> double rmb
fistblade - combo start -> uppercut -> rmb -> lmb (if you would get griefed by terrain, you could do rmb -> rmb because it hits faster for less damage)
after every attack that launches the enemy away from you onto the floor, you can do weapon swap tech to ranged weapon and shoot them, ideally in the the head -> dodge back and repeat for additional damage, bow is excellent for this as it stuns them on headshot which is a guaranteed combo extension then

[tepid trellis]

thanks🙏

[sly ore]

wtf i wanted to learn about fan max range holdcheck and clicked the link, but it was my own video

...

There is also an uppercut combo I believe that is Uppercut -> LMB LMB -> Land on the ground -> Instantly jump LMB LMB again -> RMB, but to be sure you can test this one
can confirm this is the fan combo, but i'd denote it with airlmb and slam to avoid confusion

there is also a grapple combo with uppercut -> grapple bump -> rmb focus -> air rmb

must hold A or D to fall faster

[wise coral]

suffering from success

[unkempt remnant]

anybody know how or where i could train perry timing?

[meager trail]

in matches

[manic orbit]

Does anyone know why when i try to grapple combo with the katana, i do H, then CV, grapple at the end of the circle of landing, then charge attack, the charged attack doesn't hit

[meager trail]

many reasons

got a clip?

[manic orbit]

i'll record one and send it to u if that's okay

[meager trail]

sure

[dim abyss]

Real matches, just keep in mind parry timing can vary depending on weapon you use and the ping of you and your opponent - higher ping means parry earlier

Train yourself to be able to keep every single player in the fight in your field of vision, and to pay attention to every one of them at all times to be able to recognize their attack animation so that you can properly react

You will get so many easy parries in teamfights off of people thinking you're not paying attention to them and just throwing attacks recklessly

Also train yourself to listen for the focus attack sound cues, this will let you parry on pure prediction against enemies you can't see but are threatening you from behind or dropping from above or something

Beyond that, learn this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU
https://youtu.be/gFhMiSDPgDI

Avoid going for prediction parries unless it's necessary, always prefer lower risk punish-parries

and here are the parry speeds of different weapons

based on this you can see heng, katana and ls have fastest but shortest parries, and nunchucks have the slowest but longest parry

[final escarp]

How to hit dual blades vertical focus follow up attack? I remember there was sth with camera angle

[undone anchor]

it's just grapple position, luck and fps 👍

[meager trail]

hold directional keys and turn your camera when you're hitting the blue

[final escarp]

Turning camera only for the first part of blue or full blue atk? I'm having trouble with how long to turn

[meager trail]

as soon as your blue hit, quickly hold A/D/W and turn the camera away for just a moment, then you can turn back immediately

[final escarp]

got it, thank you!

[manic orbit]

Why doesn't the charged attack hit? i'm holding A till the bump then starting charge as soon as the bump hits

@meager trail This is the clip it starts at 0:06

If anyone knows why could ya'll tell me

[meager trail]

you grapple way too late

[manic orbit]

Owh that's the case then

Might be a ping issue then my ping is at 80-100

[meager trail]

the core mechanic is to grapple to cancel uppercut animation
if you do it right you barely see the uppercut animation, or not at all

[meager trail]

100 ping

also you don't need to hold A and you can pre-charge the blue right after grapple fired (recommended)

[undone anchor]

also you are holding too late; u can start holding during the grapple animation; that way it wont stop before charging but it will start charging the same frame of the bump

if you check here, the character starts holding the second it hits the bump

[manic orbit]

Damn ain't no way i'm hitting this lmao

I think it's where i'm grappling i see that you guys do it at the end of the circle but i'm not

[undone anchor]

u want to ideally go to the center of the gray circle, but it's pretty forgiving on the position

[manic orbit]

wooo i hit it once lmao

@undone anchor this was correct towards the end right?

[undone anchor]

last one was really good

just careful that you are going too much on the side

and your bump looks really low for some reason

[manic orbit]

That's what i noticed from ur clips, idk if it's fps or something

[meager trail]

the charge still abit slow

if i'm not wrong the bot did dodged but got rubberbanded back

[manic orbit]

I'm bugging idk why the bump is so close to the ground even though i'm trying to cancel the animation asap

[undone anchor]

(you can also chzarge faster yeah; there is still a delay )

[undone anchor]

how many fps you have?

(ping might be the issue tbf; over 60 it's lag in my opinion

[manic orbit]

How could i see that

[undone anchor]

u playing on steam?

if so, you can activate the overlay; it loses 3-4 but at least u can see your fps

[manic orbit]

yeah

[manic orbit]

somewhere around 70 to 85

[undone anchor]

then there should be no issue 👍

[manic orbit]

Towards the end here it worked again

[undone anchor]

the hold timing is now correct, but careful that you tend to grapple too much to the right

u need to aim to the center

that's the sole problem now

[manic orbit]

This one is pretty much perfect i guess

with aiming to the center more

[undone anchor]

still a bit to the right, but way better yeah, wp 👍

[manic orbit]

Thanks for the help, i can do it consistently now !D

[undone anchor]

wp!!!!

[manic orbit]

@meager trail you too thanks ❤️

[manic orbit]

tyty

[dim abyss]

u can do it at that ping

my friend 90-100ms and he does this consistently

[dim abyss]

ah nice

[sly ore]

@viscid kelp do you know if there are any ways to react punish blistering in different situations?

for example when they holdcheck it (i.e. i didn't stoneform them), would it be realistic to holddodge on prediction and jump parry on reaction to parry with the magnet?

and what if i stoneform them instead?

[undone anchor]

mostly hold dodge and scissor parry

it's fast enough if you predict with dodge

and this goes for all animations of the heavy weapons

jump parry is a bit too slow 🤔

[sly ore]

yesterday my holddodge parry didn't reach, enemy was too far

if i'm much closer it becomes harder to react no?

[undone anchor]

it usually works for me, but if i do it diagonally 🤔

yeah, it is

but since it's way faster it seems to work 🤔

i'm on low fps also, so maybe it has weird things 🤔

[sly ore]

if you're dropping the frames in which you should get hit but parrying next frame, yeah, this could affect stuff

[undone anchor]

70 frames 🤔

not dropping

[sly ore]

when i think about frames, the most mindblowing example to me is how a low fps player doesn't need to halfcharge clmb to catch tapdodge with dagger

a standard clmb catches both holddodge and tapdodge

that should not be a thing, but low fps makes it possible

[undone anchor]

i feel like my only issue with fps atm is the fact that higher fps can get up to 2-3 times faster animation than me 😆

when playing against someone with 150-200 fps, if we do smth at the same time they are 2 times faster

[sly ore]

i think someone posted numbers before, i recall something like 300 fps causing 9 or 11% shorter animations

i really should have bookmarked that message

or screenshot it

[undone anchor]

i have the video 👍

[sly ore]

it's definitely not 2-3 times faster lmao

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnY1S-9s2r4

yeah, 2 - 3 is an exageration

but it's still way faster

on some weapons

like katana

[viscid kelp]

Honestly haven't practiced much against that jade, but I can imagine it's doable, since as far as I remember, it has a good few lingering frames

[viscid kelp]

What weapon were you on? It's possible that you can only dodge parry it well on weapons with a short hold dodge like nunnies, dagger or fan

Weapons with long hold dodge like staff/spear might not work

[undone anchor]

And LS 🤔

[viscid kelp]

LS has more of a medium length hold dodge

Not same ballpark as dagger/fan/nunnies

[undone anchor]

Feels one of the faster ones tho 🤔

[viscid kelp]

I only tested with nunnies and staff, but as far as I can tell, all hold dodges have the same speed
Which means that the longer it goes, the more time it takes

To go from holding focus -> hold dodge -> holding focus on staff took almost twice as many frames as it did on nunnies if I recall correctly

But you also dodge further naturally

[undone anchor]

Isn't there smth like a faster parry animation depending on the weapon?

Maybe it's that

(it's noted in the Naraka wiki)

[viscid kelp]

Dagger, fan, nunnies, DB and DH all have fairly short hold dodges
Katana, heng, ls, ps and gs are medium length
Staff/spear are omega long

As far as I remember anyway

Fistblades I think were kinda short too but I didn't play that weapon enough to remember

[viscid kelp]

I think the wiki only notes the timings for the type of parry
MelonSoju did a vid on parry startup/duration for each weapon

I still think while the video is well made, the absolute numbers might not be true in PvP interactions
MelonSoju tested in free training which has different rules for parries/netcode

[undone anchor]

ah right

[dim abyss]

ye

and in pvp the numbers would be offset a little bit but the relative difference should remain the same

if you compare ls and nunchucks, even though parry timing isnt exactly the same as in training, nunchucks would still have a parry stance that's just as much longer than ls, and ls would still have a startup that's just as much faster than nunchucks

[viscid kelp]

The issue is that the different startup times are hard to prove in PvP since there, ping affects the startup frames heavily
Whereas in free training it doesn't do so at all

[dim abyss]

but that's a good thing, it's consistent there so you can make a point about them

[viscid kelp]

However stoneform and how fast it releases is also affected by ping as far as I'm aware, so MelonSoju's testing method unfortunately doesn't work there

[dim abyss]

butif ur saying in pvp the startup time is less relevant cause of ping

yea

[viscid kelp]

So it's a bit tough to prove

[dim abyss]

with longsword against 150ms opponent u might have to parry a lot earlier than with nunchucks against 5ms opponent

even though the weapon has a faster and shorter parry

and i wish that wasnt the case, i think it holds back the game

that the most impactful action in a fight you can do is so inconsistent

[dim abyss]

yea i noticed the stoneform inconsistencies too

makes heavy swords kinda scary to play against

[viscid kelp]

Well yeah, the general ping antics with diff timings are clear
My point is more so that while in terms of game mechanics the startups differ heavily, how these mechanics are handled by netcode is unclear

I.e. is it parry input -> animation time -> data sent to server -> parry is active
Or is it parry input -> data sent to server regardless of animation -> parry is active

[dim abyss]

ah i see what u mean

[viscid kelp]

Duration definitely transfers

[dim abyss]

i think its 2nd

or it should be 2nd

makes more sense

[viscid kelp]

Nunchucks undoubtedly have the longest parry even in PvP

[dim abyss]

but from what ive seen it might seem like it's 1st sadly

because the most consistent thing about parries that ive seen is

if you are not glowing red you are not parrying, if you are glowing red you are parrying

[sage lynx]

Does every weapon have 211 combo??

[undone anchor]

Not every weapon 🤔

But u can do it with nearly all of them

[sly ore]

i'll check after work, i don't remember by heart

[undone anchor]

not related to anything, just a classic GS swap into 1-2

[neat hound]

i hope u get an upgrade

70 fps looks painful

[undone anchor]

it is, but amen, i'm getting better at neutral because of it 😆

either i'm perfect, or people just abuse fps on me 😆

[cinder thorn]

can you even land that on players with that framerate

the second gs hit looks way too slow

[undone anchor]

Yes, it's just insanely weird

Bumps were inexistent even at 100 for a while after netcode update

Now I can do mostly anythid

I just got nearly frame perfect precision for things like double uppercuts 😂🤔

[cinder thorn]

i know stuff like polesword out of spear and staff were really tight since i was on 60fps for a while and had a lot of trouble getting the second hit

[undone anchor]

Things like carousel are off limits now tho

[cinder thorn]

yeah fs

[undone anchor]

Yeah

I prefer double spear uppercut into a second grapple bump and 1-2

That's by far the most dmg ATM on spear

[cinder thorn]

greatsword is really lenient out of staff or katana if you just dodge out though

[undone anchor]

Yeah

Katana is fun to do the swap to Heng sword for the repeated slide uppercuts

Can do only 3 under 140 fps tho

And it's insanely tight

I have I think a clip on 100-110 fps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194046114048000161/1281377810669240382/katana_heng_swap_triple_uppercut_HS.mp4?ex=672b4254&is=6729f0d4&hm=f5cabd7df8e1aa84bcc3a995caf6dc7fb3841ba8a90cd754dc2939ad1e0cb92e&

This one

[cinder thorn]

thats fire

[rain shoal]

what is a good weapon to use to fimilarize with the game? i feel like long swords are pretty limited, kinda wish to do a bit more then just charge attacks and basic attacks

[undone anchor]

What do you mean familiarise with the game?

Like start?

Or learn?

[naive plaza]

A lot of people recommend katana to learn the game 🙂 I’d also say avoid things like fistblades & hengsword as they have special “dodge” mechanics that otherwise don’t exist in the game. So if you want to really learn neutral you probably want to learn without those weapon specific mechanics

[undone anchor]

I say start with staff

So you can think about hold checking, which is the foundation of the game fighting system

Once you are at ease with that, start slowly building up 🤔

Katana is the next step, once you know how hold checking works

[rain shoal]

idk why, i find staff and spears the hardest to learn🥲

[undone anchor]

They are the easiest imo

U can just put pressure when holding, and the enemy won't ever know when u parry

Overhold once, they will not parry early,...

[rain shoal]

oh~ i see i see, i will spend some time with it

[pastel heart]

Interesting!

[naive plaza]

Yeah! Obviously it’s important to get a feel for all weapons so you understand how to better play against them even if they aren’t your style, but starting out other more “standard” weapons like katana, staff, spear, dual blades/halberds can be better so you don’t end up crutching on those special mechanics

[wary escarp]

Also with dagger and fan, quick dash can be served as a crutch too, they are quick with a lot of i-frames, can double dash from and have enormous range, they also don't have any combo starter outside of jade (ignore dagger's focuses)

[undone anchor]

And fan windwall 🤔👍

[wary escarp]

Anyway, should not touch dagger, fan, fistblades if you want to learn the game mechanic

[undone anchor]

yepyep

and heng

[wary escarp]

Heng is similar to katana enough that I would say you can learn with both but just in case you won't get too relied on Heng's horizontal focus, Katana is better (just recommend actually learning it in custom, in BR people just gonna fight in every single way they can)

[dim abyss]

ye people recommend katana because it has no crutches

just make sure you learn to abuse all the other weapons' op crutches in the optimal way too

you want a complete arsenal - strong fundamental skills + knowledge and skill with abusing op mechanics

[trail mauve]

is it new that using staff and then switching to a particular long weapon also can trigger 2 long weapon yield combo?

[dim abyss]

not new

staff and spear have a special attack together

[undone anchor]

Staff & spear have one as Marko said and also greatsword & polesword

[wise coral]

Are Muya parries ping reliant? Can I achieve similar parries to this if I work at it around 75-85 ping?

My friend is a menace no blues are safe. Can I do this as well? lolol

(lost this fight ofc )

[undone anchor]

Everything in Naraka is ping reliant 👍

The lower the ping the better

75-80 is pretty high already

[copper basin]

I usually rock dual blades or halberds as people usually think that the blue will go through making it easier to catch on neutral

[dense juniper]

what is a good weapon for beginners?

[undone anchor]

Staff, fan, dual halberds I would say 👍

[dense juniper]

oke thanks

[austere lance]

I would swap the staff with longsword

[undone anchor]

LS is easily parried, since it has a slow release; staff it's overall easier because on the hold checking it puts way more pressure and people have a harder time parrying it 👍

[austere lance]

true but it also has a chance of not dropping when parried if your enemy isn't close enough

[undone anchor]

But since it's easier to parry, since it's reactable, it still isn't worth

Id prefer losing my weapon once after a party than still getting parried and losing it to get parried on the next release 🤔

Also LS focus u can easily dash through and the horizontal one hardly hits if the terrain isn't completely flat 🤔👍

Overall LS has a stronger combo potential, and if you know neutral it works somewhat better, but for starting of I would prefer a katana compared to a LS

Personally at least

But the staff is must; it's just too strong and hard to guard to not start with

And also pretty easy

• long feach

[meager trail]

ls and kata is good for neutral practicing but if you want to WIN as a beginner don't touch them

[undone anchor]

yepyep

[dim abyss]

if u want to win as a noob getting carried by a weapon

fan

fan

fan

it will carry u more than any other weapon

just hold focus longer until enemies panic

and keep them at a distance

vary your release timing

[cinder thorn]

just play fistblades

prediction dodge when you think people will release focus then dodge more if they holdcheck

reaction punish release or if they dodge out 😭

[undone anchor]

I wouldn't recommend it for beginners and new players

It won't teach you anything

[cinder thorn]

yeah it's true the reasons it's strong don't apply to anything else

but at the same time it's infinite iframes and a free punish against most focus attacks

[undone anchor]

Still requires timing but yeah

I reckon a total newbie would still get parried 100% of the time with it tho

And my main issue with it is that you need to consider focus and movement at the same time; learning either moving or holding focus is somewhat easier, since it's less info to process

In the end all weapons have pro and cons 🤔👍

[granite comet]

Hey y'all, very new to the game. Just started doing the duel fights in the lobby waiting area thing. Feel stupid asking this, but how on earth do I stop someone from literally just slapping me repeatedly lol I feel like I've tried horizontal attack, vertical, charged versions of both, parry, and dodging and I can't get anything to work. Literally just been spammed with slap repeatedly til I die sometimes. It sucks lol

[naive plaza]

The slap is the fastest blue charge in the game

You need to tap dodge out if it’s reach if they’re holding before you

[harsh umbra]

can anyone explain how can use heaven step i try but something it work sometime short dash and slide to up swing mess up really confuse

[granite comet]

Ahh okay, that's what worked the most but when they have me against the wall, it's difficult. Thanks for the response!

[naive plaza]

heaven step doesnt work anymore iirc, theres still some double uppercut combos but i think anytime you go for a third itll probably send the person flying too far away to catch them again

[harsh umbra]

ohh what about the ji toxic combo

[naive plaza]

you mean the basic katana infinite with tarka? yea thats still a thing

[wary escarp]

But his V's sprinting punch got nerfed so it is not an easy access like it used to

[rain yew]

Is attach -> hold c -> c -> attach hard? can't seem to properly connect it

[wary escarp]

It is at the beginning, but if you can pull it off a couple of times, you can do it consistently

Just do it slow at the beginning where you hold C then press C, if your character stand up straight after second C then you doing it right, do the hold C faster, if your character sway twice then try hold C a little bit longer

[dim abyss]

no

just practice

[placid obsidian]

everything is too hard

[undone anchor]

What is?

(yes, this game has indeed a really steep learning curve at the beginning; but if you persevere a little bit in learning it, you will feel your progress every step of the road 👍👍)

[wary escarp]

Every single thing you learn feel like an achievement on its own

So in a word of encouragement, Naraka is a game where every little improvement feel like it contributes to the bigger picture of you winning

Just don't look too much into how the game work and you will be fine, your sanity will stay intact

[solar wyvern]

Whats a good range weapon to kill runners?

Also is there a way to counter runner?

[undone anchor]

wym by "runner"?

[solar wyvern]

Like im killing this guy

Hes 1 hp

Then he grapples away or just does not dash movement thing

And runs away

[wary escarp]

Depended on how they run, if it is just them running away by feet or grapple, counter it with grapple usually do

Oh, just counter grapple them

When you see they throw out grapple, just throw a grapple at them while they staying still

For people who know how to scale rush and using many method of running away, you usually have to get good at the same technique as well for both escaping your opponent and chasing your opponent

And for time like that range weapon like bow or musket (which have stagger headshot) can be used to stop enemy from getting way too far

But only headshot will do so you have to get good at using range too

[viscid kelp]

If an enemy is 1hp generally pistol is best

AoE makes hitting easier

also pistol projectiles are quite fast

[viscid kelp]

Also unless they changed it recently, Musket has no stagger on headshot

[wary escarp]

Oh, I thought it has

Could be me received dying as a state of stagger and think so

me being dumbass and sending false information I guess

[viscid kelp]

I guess death is a form of CC too, but I wouldn't say that's inherent to musket

[wary escarp]

[lusty cosmos]

It's the best kind of CC

[rain yew]

How to set direction of rolling after being down? mine is always going forward

[meager trail]

hold directional keys before you input the roll

[rain yew]

whats the input for roll? I only press wasd

[meager trail]

dodge button

[rain yew]

ahh i see

[viscid kelp]

I like how I have to preface this every time because I don't really play this game anymore, but unless they recently changed it, the wakeup roll does not require a shift input at all

Performing the wakeup roll works purely off WASD

There's also another roll that happens after tap dodging back to back very quickly, which naturally does require a dodge input, but it also has different properties

[meager trail]

well for the wake up roll you get out of knocked down state faster with holding WSAD + tap shift compare to just WSAD

actually not ''faster'' but more consistent

sometimes your character just kinda get locked in the knocked down state and only input WSAD won't result in a roll immediately, but holding WSAD and input dodge works everytime

[viscid kelp]

Don't think I ever had anything like that happen before

[meager trail]

sure

[undone anchor]

yep, it doesnt

[unreal wyvern]

can confirm

[undone anchor]

new idea; nothing fancy 😅

[elfin ermine]

So much to learn.

[undone anchor]

yepyep

this game is insane for that 🙂

[viscid kelp]

After the F I'd wait a bit and then hold dodge backwards into running lmb as carousel starter

Maybe even re-uppercut since the float of that F is strong

[undone anchor]

i went for that because for some reason my carousel on 80 fps is never working

this is the safe option

until 75 it's guaranteed, minus some weird moments

[viscid kelp]

Hold dodge lmb on such a good float should be a very easy carousel if you time it appropriately

Ultimately should be no harder than what you did there

Re-uppercut depends

[undone anchor]

@hallow trellis

[timber geyser]

Can anybody tell me what i am doing wrong?
feel pretty consistent on other weapons thats why they are not here

Staff, is it just harder than spear? Feel like i do same inputs but it doesn't work?
Dual Blades, I am pretty sure u are supposed to hit the follow up horizontal but i might be mistaken?
Nunchucks, same as dual blades?
Longsword, feel like im doing same thing as katana or heng sword (ofc i use vertical instead of horizontal) but i can never seem to land the blue hori?
Dual Halbreds, i need to be faster on the grapple?
Spear, idek what im doing wrong.

[cyan falcon]

maybe its cuz mobile sucks but none of those videos are playing for me

Just hear the audio

[timber geyser]

I think its because its h.265 codec

can't do h.264 sry

it lags then

my friend had same problem on mobile, but she saw on pc and it was fine

[undone anchor]

how much is your fps?

staff has tighter timing compared to spear, that's why it's harder to hit
DB followup requires you to have the enemy bumber higher to follow up, i'm amazed it connected the first part in the clip

nunchucks is fps; that second hit is somewhat untrue

LS is tight timing and you need to be more precise with the grapple, the bump is still too low

DH bump too low, too forward; it's either fps or grapple position too close

spear crouch horizontal only hits on over 130 fps

[meager trail]

db you need to hold A/D and turn your camera when you releasing the blue if you want the last V to hit, but it still WILL miss sometimes
nuns the last hit was always soft true
ls/dh you need faster release
spear you need to delay the last part vertical input abit (cV > land > H > V > cH < the bold V need abit delay input)

[timber geyser]

How do u show fps ingame?

[undone anchor]

either with an external program, or with steam overaly

overlay*

[timber geyser]

160-180 with highest settings

[undone anchor]

then you need to adjust your grapple

and the low bump should never happen

[timber geyser]

How do i make the bump higher?

[meager trail]

his grapple is fine

just slow release

[timber geyser]

slow release? I spam grapple as soon as i can?

like i dont hold grapple

or is that better

[undone anchor]

the bump is way too low tho

[meager trail]

slow blue release

[meager trail]

looks fine to me

[timber geyser]

I have watched guides on it and it looks like they are higher in the air, but theya re like 8 months old so idk if that changes anything

[undone anchor]

maybe it's just camera positioning 🤔

[timber geyser]

witht he grapple bump

[undone anchor]

u seem to be right

focus release is indeed slow aswell

[timber geyser]

ok

[undone anchor]

u need to "predict it" kind of

[timber geyser]

yea

.9

[undone anchor]

if you see the flash and then release it's too slow

[timber geyser]

yea

i know that, but i wasnt sure if it was still too slow what i did

[undone anchor]

here for the LS timing for example 👍

[timber geyser]

are u holding grapple?

[undone anchor]

grappling a bit further can also help

[timber geyser]

instead Of spamming it

[undone anchor]

??

[timber geyser]

like

holding the key down

[undone anchor]

no

i use the hybrid version

[timber geyser]

wtf is that

[undone anchor]

press key, enter aim mode, press mouse button, throw the grapple

[timber geyser]

aha

[undone anchor]

it's somewhat harder at the beginning, but i find it to be more consistent

[meager trail]

also pre-input the blue

hold mouse button as soon as grapple fired

[undone anchor]

yep, that's important

but in the clip with the LS they did that 👍

[meager trail]

just slow release
ls and dh got very tight release timing

[timber geyser]

pre input blue?

but when i try and blue when i grapple

it does downwards cut

[meager trail]

that mean you input it too early/too late or didn't hold it all the way through

as soon as your grapple hit the ground you can do blue hold

or even before that, when grapple fired

just need to find the optimal/correct moment

db ''normal'' release vs hold A and camera turn when release

if you do normal release it'll knock the target too far away so your last vertical won't hit

[timber geyser]

Ok ty

[ebon onyx]

Hello. I havent played naraka in a long time and im revisiting it again, and i was trying to learn some combos again. But i found that i am unable to cancel my sliding uppercut with a graple for the katana. did they patch it or am i just doing something wrong?

[timber geyser]

oh wtf thats wonky

[meager trail]

do note that even with the hold A and camera turn it still won't hit sometime

[undone anchor]

they patched it a few patches ago in order to cancel the heavenstep

slide uppercut grapple is not possible only with a very big delay

[ebon onyx]

i see i see

thank you

[undone anchor]

np

[ebon onyx]

and here i was thinking i was just beeing bad xD

[undone anchor]

nah dw

they destroyed combos with the netcode patch ; brought them back a few patches after

(destroyed them for low fps; now aswell they have tighter timings overall)

now they work just fine, but heavenstep and fan infinite got patched out

mostly because of the matari rework

[ebon onyx]

why because of the matari rework?

[undone anchor]

because her f2 permits a combo start that's nearly undodgeable if used correctly

meaning that the gameplay was literally: "matari f2, watch them juggle you until you are dead"

[ebon onyx]

ahh haha

i see i see

[undone anchor]

not really fun, especially because with ult she can do the f 3 to 4 times in a row

[ebon onyx]

thats pretty bs yeah

[undone anchor]

yepyep

[ebon onyx]

thanks a lot :)

[undone anchor]

np

if you got any combo questions don't hesitate to ask 👍

[ebon onyx]

sure! i will 😁

[ripe monolith]

hi

[quartz kiln]

Im able to do combos in practice but i cant execute them consistently in real matches

Any tips to help or things i should work on?

[wary escarp]

Pre-input blue during the grapple initiate animation, not after you already moving

[wary escarp]

There could be a couple thing that might affect your combo if you doing it consistent during training but not real matches:
-You have yet to turn the bot on during combo training, thus means you are yet to made the combo
-Terrain, in training, on even terrain, most combos work fine, however in matches, sometimes the terrain is not even and you do not have favorable terrain that cause you to failed the combo
-Ping and/or fps reason when fighting other players, this will be a problem if your ping increase or lag spike during fighting compare to the less laggy environment that is training mode

One other potential problem is you might have yet to get used to doing the combo when the opportunity shows itself, which cause confusion and bad execution during combo, this is just a mental problem when it first comes to combo, this usually get better with time

[quartz kiln]

Thanks for all the advice

[undone anchor]

fps aswell

in game you have way less fps compared to practice tool, since there are more things loaded in

this can definitely affect your combos

[lapis epoch]

Can anyone give me some parrying tips or a has a good video to watch ?.

[meager trail]

#1 parry tip: less parry, more dodge

[lapis epoch]

Touché

But but cool parry animations 😭

[meager trail]

not so cool when your opponent overhold or cancel their blue into a light attack