🔱┃weapons-combat

[undone anchor]

i reckon that staff does not work

maybe the horizontal

[elder wave]

tbf it's pretty much the same concept 😂

[stuck osprey]

how do I paste a clip? I just recorded a clip through discord and hoping to get some feedback here.

I'm hoping to get some feedback on what I'm missing in my basic katana grapple combo. I made a clip, but need a higher level permission to paste.

okay, I made some more posts and hit level 1! hoping I can share this clip.

Any thoughts on why my blue focus isn't landing in the clip below. Once I hit the uppercut I hold D on my keyboard and release W
-Is it where my grapple is hitting?
-Overholding the focus?
-some other input I'm messing up?

[elder wave]

it's sheathe > dash > swap btw
or rather i personally just "pseudo 211" except i release lmb instantly after the swap lol

[undone anchor]

gotcha

this one i made only with the swap tho 🤔 ; from there my assumption

[elder wave]

Is that one true though?

[final escarp]

the grapple can mostly be a tad more near you and I think you can release blue faster

[undone anchor]

yep

full true

just close cuz i got bad fps

[stuck osprey]

IDK what the problem is on that blue release. for some reason it's either a half charge or an overcharge. if that's the issue. I guess I gotta find the right rhythm. Thanks for your thoughts!

[elder wave]

Hmm i feel like i've tried something similar before and i think i remember the bot dodging out of it
might just have been a skill issue at the time though
i'll give it another try later on

[undone anchor]

it's a small window

it's one of the basic swap combos 👍

[elder wave]

does it work with x2 horizontal as well? 'cause that'd be a lot more chill than my variation inputwise 😂

[undone anchor]

no idea 🤔

didnt try that

[elder wave]

The more you know lol
Thanks ❤️

[undone anchor]

yw

[undone anchor]

here is another useless thing you can do aswell 👍

it's not true, but it's fun, and most players will get caught by it if they dont mash a soft combo break skill ; they forget that they can dodge out of the cancelled choke 👍

[elder wave]

lmao gotta love kylin shenannigans

[undone anchor]

yepyep

[elder wave]

though i reckon many people actually just dash Out of a cancelled choke
been trying that shit a lot when kylin first released lol

[undone anchor]

funny enough; LS catches them if they dodge there normally

it's just harder to lineup the kick after

[elder wave]

oh that sounds fun
gotta give that a shot some time

[undone anchor]

👍

the only issue is when they spam skills

[elder wave]

Thanks for the intel chief
appreciated as always ❤️

[undone anchor]

👍

[elder wave]

@stuck osprey grapple distance looks fine to me personally
that's around where i would usually aim at as well
even when i aim it further back it's no issue
though that might be a ping thing i guess?

[stuck osprey]

hmmm.... ping on practice mode? getting 38ms....

[stuck osprey]

but really glad to know the distance looks good!

[elder wave]

That's not too far off from my own ping so i'd assume your grapple aim's fine

[stuck osprey]

I can't figure it out, I feel like I'm really close, but missing something.....

[elder wave]

not sure If it'd make a difference but have you tried doing the grapple input earlier?
Like doing it right after the uppercut Input
everything in one go

[stuck osprey]

Yeah, I feel like I'm hitting the grapple the moment I connect on the uppercut, but maybe that's where I'm off

[elder wave]

i usually slightly delay the uppercut input
i input it torwards the end of the horizontal animation and do the rest in one fluid go as fast as possible
c > rmb > q > hold rmb

[stuck osprey]

oooo! okay maybe that's it, trying now

[elder wave]

did that make a difference at all?

[stuck osprey]

no here's the latest

oh! I may have figured it out. need to hold the blue a little longer, until the escape starts

WE DID IT -- ASURA HERE I COME

[elder wave]

@stuck osprey again i'm not sure if that's the actual issue but you seem to input the grapple way later than i personally do
like the little grapple hook icon at the bottom of the screen lights up mid-uppercut in your clip for me it lights up right at the very beginning of the uppercut animation where the character basically crouches down

[elder wave]

no the whole point is to land the focus before the opponent gets up and gets a chance to do something

[stuck osprey]

ohhh

ill work on focus timing then

i mean grapple timing

[elder wave]

i mean i'm not entirely sure if that's the issue as your uppercut animation does seem to get cancelled

though i guess it might not get cancelled early enough?

[split spire]

so first of all it has enough window to hit real players

2nd of all ur grapple timing is a bit too late

[elder wave]

ah okay glad i wasn't bullshitting then XD

[split spire]

yeah im used to the sound of this combo i knew the pace was off when i watched it xD

[stuck osprey]

I believe you guys of course, but crazy that I need to hit that grapple faster. as a 39 year old gamer I feel like my neurons are firing at top speed.

Maybe Q is better than M4 for that reason....

[elder wave]

actual giga chad

[undone anchor]

nop

u dont want to hold after they dodge

u need to catch them before

i say that in the clips you sent, first ones, the grapple is too slow; hence the bump is weird and a bit too low

that's the reason you cant get it generally

[stuck osprey]

gotcha

[undone anchor]

in this clip, you are just exploiting the fact that after the roll the bot stops

[stuck osprey]

hmmm, any tips on how to grapple faster?

[undone anchor]

try pressing grapple as soon as you see your hand reach for the hilt of the katana

and once you get that timing, do it a bit faster

here is a clip for reference on the timing

eventually

[split spire]

nah when i first started the game a lot of things felt they had tight timings, but then i got used to all of them and now they all feel easy and natural to me

[stuck osprey]

good comms!

[undone anchor]

the idea is to try and never leave the ground

[elder wave]

well like i've described earlier
i personally delay the uppercut slightly and just fire through the rest of the inputs in one go without any pauses in-between

[stuck osprey]

okay, I've done it correctly like 3 times. but don't actually know what im doing differently. ill keep at it!

[undone anchor]

Send a clip when in doubt, we'll see what we can do 🤔👍👍

[elder wave]

ayy congrats boss

[final escarp]

Is there a video somewhere for greatsword infinite with tarka?

or what's the theory behind it

[undone anchor]

use the stagger and height of the focus attack on GS to keep the person up in the air / staggered all the way

and cancel the animation with the tarka ult speed enhancement, in order to be able to catch that small height

[elder wave]

so i gave this one a try and i can't seem to get it to work
how do you even dash out of the uppercut that early without swap/sheathe?

[undone anchor]

You do swap

You need to swap at the apex of the uppercut (pre input the swap itself); the dash comes as soon as you swapped, like instantly

It's all a matter of timingg

[naive plaza]

can we pick your brain over in #❓┃help ? mysterious tech issues re naraka freezing on launch over and over again

[stray mason]

How to do carrousel with longsword?

[split spire]

which version

so we have the double uppercut LS combo which is easy, deals less dmg and then there is the harder carrousel which requires precise positioning of ur grapple on the ground and precise timing of holding W.

and a consistent position of initial uppercut (front/back)

personally double uppercut LS combo is usually the go-to combo in most situations, and the difficult carrousel combo is better used near a wall.

[final escarp]

Thank you!

[split spire]

since most of the difficult aspects of that combo are fixed by the wall preventing u and ur opp from going forwards.

[stray mason]

The optimal way of doing it

obviusly

[split spire]

But here is the combo in simple terms assuming u are facing a wall:

RMB -> hold dodge RMB -> Uppercut -> Instant grapple on the ground bellow the enemy -> Land grapple kick and instantly after landing the grapple kick make sure to hold W -> RMB -> LMB -> LMB

If you decide ur last hit to be an RMB near a wall, u can reset the carrousel by canceling ur final hit RMB with a grapple targeted at the enemy at a precise timing, instantly after it hits the enemy, to reput them into carrousel.

[stray mason]

The better the consistency the better the combo is

[stray mason]

But this is a situational case

[split spire]

optimal combo is

RMB hold dodge RMB -> uppercut -> grapple ground -> instantly after grapple and subtly click shift then instantly also click RMB -> Leave ur hand off any keys -> instantly after grapple kick -> Uppercut again -> LMB in the air -> Land -> Jump -> JLMB in the air again.

[elder wave]

ah so it is the same concept after all
looked like you dashed first and swapped after in the clip so i got confused

[stray mason]

So the trick basically is hold shift before bump or what?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Smallfry leveled up!

[split spire]

not hold

[undone anchor]

Same concept, but with a step less 🤔👍👍

[split spire]

click shift

tap it

[stray mason]

Sorry tap it i mean

[split spire]

and the more important one is to tap RMB as well

[undone anchor]

What weapon is this? 🤔

[split spire]

tapping rmb instantly after grapple will ensure ur char is ready to hold blue after grapple kick, but u actually wont hold blue, u will uppercut instead

[split spire]

long sword

[undone anchor]

Double uppercut?

[split spire]

yeah

[elder wave]

gotcha chief 👌

[undone anchor]

I'm confused about the RMB after the grapple bump

That one isn't necessary 🤔

[split spire]

it is, it improves the window by a lot

[stray mason]

So it is possible to do double uppercut into 211 into carrousel?

[undone anchor]

Should be feasible

[split spire]

also it isnt after grapple bump

[undone anchor]

But not completely sure; it depends on your fps

[split spire]

it is before the bump

[undone anchor]

Even more confused then 🤔

[stray mason]

Damn, i'm cap at 120

[undone anchor]

Got a clip of what you mean?

[undone anchor]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it then 🤔👍

[split spire]

basically when u click RMB before grapple bump (a small tap) ur char will land lower after the grapple kick and u will land faster, which makes the window to launch an uppercut after u grapple kick bigger.

u wont see it in the video

[stray mason]

I bring this because i want to optimize my longsword combos but i rarely do it without GS

So i ask if it is possible something optimal or the weapon is not that good

[split spire]

i had to do this prior to the buff of the low fps double uppercut, now u dont need it, but i discovered it back then and it actually makes the window much bigger to not mess up the combo

so im still doing it naturally now

also the tap on the shift key clears any directional input which means u wont roll

so its always healthy to do Uppercut -> grapple -> quick shift tap then quick RMB Tap before grapple kick.

[stray mason]

So which is the best combo to do with LS then?

Is it carrousel or is it better to 211 JRMB JRMB?

[undone anchor]

I ee 🤔

[split spire]

u wont see the difference with longsword that much, but try it with heng

there is actually a very big difference there

[undone anchor]

Gotcha 🤔

[viscid kelp]

This is the optimal general combo if you can execute it

It's the best compromise of consistency and dmg

There's stuff like this which is harder/less consistent to execute but more dmg

[stray mason]

Oh nice follow up from the 211

I'm going to try it

[stray mason]

And there is any chance to do some other combos on LS that still relevant to learn? i mean in terms of dmg and consistency

[lusty cosmos]

If you have someone against a wall you can end your combo with a carousel pretty consistently. Especially useful in yang

Rmb - lmb - hold rmb

[stray mason]

Yeah i know, i've seen it alot

But is good to know other variants that doesn't depend on terrain

[viscid kelp]

Carousel unfortunately is not a combo that is easy to get consistent

Some more exotic setups, none of which is easy though

[split spire]

@viscid kelp i found a way to 211 at high ping btw

its TOO SILLY

u have to weapon swap using ur bag while ur 2 slot is empty

🙂

idk it confirms to me the theory of the game hardcoding something to prevent 211s at high ping

cuz its possible when u do it in a silly way?

thats not the netcode

its clearly some restriction band aid code

[viscid kelp]

Bag swaps are just weird

they're like dodge or crouch swaps

just without dodge or crouch

[silent mica]

Is there a new optimal spear/staff bnb now after update or is it still the same?

[silent mica]

Holy molly.

In longsword we trust. 🗣️ 🙏

[undone anchor]

I think I answered that a while back already 🤔👍👍

Staff always the same, nothing changed; spear u can now do the grapple combo

[median wren]

is there a combo guide for zai's Ult?

[dim abyss]

Yea

[median wren]

uh where is it?

[dim abyss]

Let me find it

https://youtu.be/Bson6rt0D3E?si=vepVi8mEFuk0-tQS

It says its patched now

This was it im pretty sure

Try on bot and if it doesnt work try and experiment

[median wren]

aight

thanks

[dim abyss]

I'll send it if i find another

[median wren]

[final escarp]

@dim abyss@median wren the only combo that still works on Zai ult is light atk, uppercut, aerial horizontal land light atk, crouch horizontal

[median wren]

Got it thanks

[final escarp]

I've been trying to find a combo with light atk, uppercut, grapple, focus but that's only soft true at best. I think with repair dodge ppl can get out

I still have hopes that there is a combo with the knock back from her ult activation but I couldn't find any yet

[silent mica]

Cant seem to land the grapple spear combo on the bot in training mode. Are we sure its true? Also i asked again in case anyone found anything else.

[undone anchor]

Yes , it's true

Takao sent a clip of it a while back

It s hard on the bot because it's the bot

But on people it works

[silent mica]

Ok sick. Cant seem to get it on the bot tho yea.

[undone anchor]

You can also technically do a double uppercut, but aside from connecting it with Kylin f2 I didn't reseatch much into it yet

[inner sparrow]

What do you think about New Katana

does it a bit faster than Hengsword now?

i feel a bit easier to land neutrals

Spear had improve nicely , now working much better than staff

thats what i feel about it

[undone anchor]

Staff and spear have 2 different playstyles; staff is imo still a bit better, but spear is definitely stronger (and my favourite weapon. ATM)

But both are strong

[runic current]

ufu

[undone anchor]

New katana is still inferior to Heng sword imo, mostly because of smaller range and also the fact that the dash light attack after blue u can't use to combo start 🤔

[inner sparrow]

yeah cannot do combo start, i thought it could

But is it faster than before?

i feel like a bit faster than before

[undone anchor]

It's not

[inner sparrow]

then a big let down

just gonna keep to spear , heng sword and fan

[undone anchor]

You will eventually have to play every weapon anyways 🤔👍

I would recommend keeping a ranged weapon aswell; they can really come in handy in a lot of situations👍

[inner sparrow]

i play almost every , except nunchucks and duals , i really hate them

i love bow and musket

but cannot do in-between combos

just for chasing

[undone anchor]

Duals are really strong 🤔👍

[inner sparrow]

yeah but i don't like its moves and animations lol 😄

and i really hate their souljades being un-parriably OP

[undone anchor]

They got buffed this patch 👍👍

[inner sparrow]

they are already op

they got more buff?

[undone anchor]

They got a better horizontal into crouch animation

So you can now toothpick more comfortably and it's actually true 🤔👍

Plus the uppercut animation feels smoother because of it

[inner sparrow]

argh i hate them

i think spear H1 charge as fast as Jabbing now

nice

[undone anchor]

slower than jabbing, you can also tap dodge back or sideways and parry the second hit 🤔👍

But way faster than before

[fallen cedar]

Does tarka ji still have an infinite?

[undone anchor]

Yes, multiple

[fallen cedar]

Ok lol

[undone anchor]

U can infinite easily on katana, as before, Heng sword, since it's the same

Plus DH, db

Fistblades with the new skypunch jade (works same as katana, just a bit slower)

There is dunking's infinite with GS

Nunchucks infinite,...

[fallen cedar]

speaking of which what are the quarks of DB, DH never used them until today

Good to know

[undone anchor]

Quarks? What does that word mean?

[meager trail]

like good sides ig

[fallen cedar]

sorry I meant quirks

[meager trail]

dh db is ehhh, good techchase, everything else is so so

[fallen cedar]

It just means its particular behaviors and such

[meager trail]

good sj also

[undone anchor]

They got good chasing abilities with vertical 1-2 ; hard to read neutral, due to their long focus animation and 2 stages of holding

They can move while in horizontal focus state, which can be useful

Some nice combo adaptations into 1-2 if you mess up the grapple combo

They also got buffed this patch to have an actually true toothpick conversion into uppercut (smoother crouch animation after horizontal)

Plus they got decent dmg and really nice jades, especially DH

They got decent rage aswell; slightly more than katana on the chase

[fallen cedar]

Ok sounds pretty good then thanks

Is their any weapon meta right now

Also do weapon combos where you change weapon mid combo still exist?

[undone anchor]

Swap combos are still there indeed 👍👍

My favourite one is the continuos slide uppercut with swap between katana and Heng sword

[undone anchor]

All of them, but fistblades are by far the strongest (they just are broken; can't guard them pretty much)

Aside from that Heng sword is really strong (fake focus), fan and dagger still are what they are

Spear got changed this patch, so it's stronger, but it depends on what you like to play 🤔

Ideally every weapon works atm

[lusty cosmos]

Fistblades and fan are top tier, heng sword is good too. All weapons are viable but those just stand above the rest

[fallen cedar]

So how in the world does neutral with fan work, and combos. Just fan in general

I've always been a longsword and tech chase person

[undone anchor]

Hold check; swap into fan for grapple combo; hit and dash (it has dagger dash)

Usually u get dmg with the release or 1-2

Ah, windwall comboes into an uppercut if you are close enough

[fallen cedar]

oh ok

Anything new with greatsword counterplay?

[undone anchor]

Always the same 🤔

Dash back, punish stoneform

[fallen cedar]

Ok, figured I'd check I've just never liked going against good greatswords

[undone anchor]

👍👍

[inner sparrow]

looks like dagger is only thing that can comfirm blue focus into true combo

[final escarp]

Could you eleborate on that? I'm too dumb rn

[viscid kelp]

Where'd you get that from?

DB/DH change was just QoL, because in the past, if you pre-inputted the uppercut too fast after an lmb, you'd just do an rmb

Now even if you buffer the input quickly it will uppercut

[undone anchor]

Practice, for some reason it seems to always work now 🤔

If I was wrong, In that case, I apologize 😓

[inner sparrow]

how crouch lmbs are useful outside of combos?

[fallen cedar]

Does lmb/horizontal no longer toothpick into anything with longsword?

[undone anchor]

never did as far as i am aware 🤔

[fallen cedar]

oh maybe im just insane my bad lol

[fallen cedar]

Any tips for people struggling with grapple combos, trying to do the basic longsword one but it seems im just bad

[meager trail]

there's few things to keep in mind:

• the uppercut animation must be cancelled by your grapple as soon as it hit
• grapple position matters
• pre-input your blue charge as soon as you fired your grapple
• release your blue as soon as it just reached 1st stage (you could call it a 0.9 release, with a 1.1 timing release it gonna be too late), you need to feel this, don't rely on the ''ding'' and the blue glows to release
• FPS and ping matters

[fallen cedar]

Thanks

[sullen gate]

should pin this

[wary escarp]

pst Mention the fake out

[undone anchor]

?

[undone anchor]

Ahhh 😂😂

[dapper sparrow]

is that actually making dmg?

works with any character and weapon?

[wary escarp]

No, this is a trick to fake out release Dual Blades Horizontal focus

[dapper sparrow]

sad

[wary escarp]

If your opponent really don't have a pulse that is. This works as long as you have a dual blades, dual halberds work too but they don't make sounds like dual blades do

[frail cliff]

yo i can do basicly any grapple combo but i just cant seem to get an uppercut after the first grapple bump when doing the classic inf longsword combo any1 got sm tips?

[undone anchor]

there is not any LS infinite anymore 🤔

got patched out several seasons ago

you can get max 2 uppercuts in a row now

[frail cliff]

like i cant get the 2cnd uppercut tho

[undone anchor]

can you send a clip?

[frail cliff]

even if its patcvhed

would be too long and im too lazy to edit

[undone anchor]

??

a clip of you doing the double uppercut?

it should take about 15 sec ; no edit 🤔

you are struggling with the second uppercut, i wanted to understand what was wrong with that specifically 👍

[frail cliff]

uploading..

[undone anchor]

you are not crouching for long enough for the game to register the crouch input

try to hold crouch instead of tapping it

[frail cliff]

i am

even when i hold it before it just registres as a normal horizontal

but dk its alr

[undone anchor]

horizontal?

also, another thing you do, you hold your attack button (RMB) too long 👍

if you see, you start entering the animation of the focus attack; that one you need to tap quicker 👍

[frail cliff]

ver sry and im nt

(seeing the fcs animation) but ITS FINE OK

[undone anchor]

?

[hallow marsh]

Hello

[undone anchor]

hello hello 👋

[inner sparrow]

ACCA is hard for me AHopA is easier , why ACCA is more popular here?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | v3ss0n leveled up!

[inner sparrow]

any advantages of ACCA vs AJ(short hop)A ?

[undone anchor]

You don't use stamina 🤔

[meager trail]

they're 2 completely different thing

if you're asking about the pros and cons of ACCA vs ADA (attack > dash > attack) then ACCA use no stamina while ADA allow you to reposition yourself

but both of them are used to initiates combos while AJA are not

[dim abyss]

Never seen anyone use a jump a before a combo

[undone anchor]

you technically can, but it's not recommended; it misplaces you

the more common example is the grapple attack

[inner sparrow]

i had tried , short hop and attack again it works same as ACCA

I had seen people using in SEA server

for me ACCA miss timing alot , and makes 2 crouches instead of crouch and stand up

so i tried short hop and easier to time ( except if LMB too early it become jump attack)

i see

misplace as in?

if getting hit during jump , can be more diastarous ?

yeah..

ACCA could sometime evade a LMB attack

[inner sparrow]

A+J(Land)+A

[meager trail]

it's not true

when you land your opponent can dodge out already

[inner sparrow]

Gonna try again against combo bot

[final escarp]

it works on combat bot

but not all things working on the bot work on ppl

kylin f combo for example

[inner sparrow]

If combo bot dosen't dodge away , 100% chance that it will not be dodge by real person right?

[meager trail]

no

you can do DH ADA on combo bot but with real player they can dodge

[final escarp]

I don't know how to say it clearer

[meager trail]

the bot is just weird

[inner sparrow]

ahh...

i always believed that bot...

so if its true or not always have to test against person?

[final escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/everything's-a-lie-edward-homm-rabbit-hole-everything's-fake-everything's-false-gif-12231038201565005841

[final escarp]

to be certain, yes

[inner sparrow]

THE CAKE IS A LIE!

Quite Sad 😄

[meager trail]

even you success at performed it against real player it still doesn't guarantee to be true

ping diff, fps diff, rubberbanding

[inner sparrow]

right..

[meager trail]

the DH combo i mentioned earlier can be perfom on ppl

[inner sparrow]

i see

[meager trail]

you can even do DH upper cut and when you land just charge a blue vertical and release 1.0 and they can't dodge

if ur ping is high enough

don't even need grapple

[inner sparrow]

from the youtube tutorials , i thought if combo bot cannot dodge i am good.

[meager trail]

most of the case yes

but there's ''combos'' that you have to record the footage and slow it down frame by frame to actually see the bot actually dodged but got rubberbanded back into your attacks

[inner sparrow]

Oh No

[meager trail]

that's called a soft true, or untrue

[inner sparrow]

ahh i see..

[meager trail]

and when you perfom that on real ppl

and they escaped when you thought they couldn't, you're screwed

[inner sparrow]

face many of that

i rarely got one full combo a day on enemies

i mean grapple combo

[meager trail]

that's why it's important to know which one is true, which one is soft true and which one is untrue
doesn't mean that you should absolutely never use soft true or even untrue ''combos'' in matches

[inner sparrow]

i see

[meager trail]

sometime they works, sometime they don't, if they works you catched your enemies offguard and could lead to huge advantage, if they don't well as long as you have tools to cover your mistakes

[inner sparrow]

how many times you guys get fully combos a match? for me like 1 in 5 hr lol

not everyday too

[meager trail]

eh i play trios so what combo lol

blues all day everyday

[inner sparrow]

same here , trios are worse for comobos

as soon as i got an uppercut going and almost get into full mode my teamate rush in and breaks it.. lol

[meager trail]

well you still should learn at least the basic grapple combo in case you isolated someone and get a light attack on them

[meager trail]

yeah that's the thing

should only go for combo if you isolated someone

[inner sparrow]

but can't complain either they are doing their job lol

[meager trail]

else when you catched someone better just light attacks spamming for your teammate to release their blues

[inner sparrow]

good idea 😄

sometime i just jump slam after uppercut

better damage that way and teammate can continue

[meager trail]

well i mean good teammates will know how to follow up

[inner sparrow]

not 3 person premade , just 2 , with 1 rando so

[meager trail]

if they just screw you over again and again then well

[inner sparrow]

yeah

[meager trail]

better just 1-2 or jh spam

[inner sparrow]

yeah!

thanks a lot , that would do better instead of me trying to full combo

[meager trail]

mhmm
solo and trios plays very different

[inner sparrow]

seems like just need to get better at parries and

still silver in solo coz i cant bare to start with bots

[meager trail]

also for the AJA it is indeed working on the combo bot, still don't know if the bot just got rubberbanded on the 2nd light attack

i also feels like i drop down to the ground faster compare to before

wonder if there's a ninja patch or something

[inner sparrow]

i tried it and working fine on bots since like pedoria patch

but haven't really tried on people

[meager trail]

but i'm **very **certain that it's untrue before

[inner sparrow]

but i got hit by it from players at astral

SEA

[meager trail]

yeah maybe wait till Takao see this

[inner sparrow]

ok

vietnamese player do it and some chinese

[meager trail]

maybe he could give us a correct answer of either it's true now or not

[inner sparrow]

other most ADA combo

ok , cool

[undone anchor]

got a clip of it? i am having trouble seeing what you mean 😓 (i couldnt read all the messages atm)

[meager trail]

here

[inner sparrow]

oh @meager trail vietnam player ?

[meager trail]

i think so

[inner sparrow]

so you are in SEA svr too?

[meager trail]

😂

yea

[inner sparrow]

i see

i am from Myanmar

[meager trail]

hi

[inner sparrow]

Gaming from Literal Warzone

I visited Hanio last month really love there , best food and people ever!

[meager trail]

[undone anchor]

oh, i see now

[neat hound]

[undone anchor]

it works still; always worked, the sole problem is that regulating that hop,its height, it's really hard overall

[inner sparrow]

just quick tap on space is fine i think

[undone anchor]

it's easy to mess up, so people simply dont go for it, since it's less of a safe thing

[inner sparrow]

easier to do for me than ACCA

[undone anchor]

acca is hard, but once you get the timing is always the same

[inner sparrow]

i see

[undone anchor]

your safest bet is the dash version

[neat hound]

acca always the most consistent

[inner sparrow]

yeah it dosges other attack too.

[meager trail]

that makes no sense
i mean if it's always have been true then at least some combo guides from like years ago would have mentioned it

[inner sparrow]

another thing that works is A Mid-dodge A

[meager trail]

along with the downside of ''easily screwed up the jump''

but there's none

[undone anchor]

i mean, it's timing

[meager trail]

what aren't about timing anyway

[undone anchor]

the time in between the attacks is the same

so it should be true

[meager trail]

that's the thing, i don't remember the timing between 2 light attacks with a light jump in the middle being this fast

[inner sparrow]

i think A+MidDodge+A is fastest

[undone anchor]

as long as it's an horizontal, in the stagger window, it's true; if you jump, dash, crouch, all those are possible variations

[undone anchor]

yes

[meager trail]

that's why i'm wondering if they ninja patched it

[undone anchor]

also need to remember that ACCa does not work with all weapons 👍

[undone anchor]

the jump thing?

[meager trail]

or increased the stagger duration of light attacks

[undone anchor]

nono

this didnt happen

all the same

[inner sparrow]

yeah i wonder too and asked because nobody mention about that move in youtube tutorials

and i got attacked by vietnamese guys that way

and i tried

stagger not increased for sure tho , it will be visiable across the board if they did

[undone anchor]

it's not worth learning

as you see the hop it's insanely low and also really precise, so i would suppose that you could only do it also on a flat terrain 🤔

[inner sparrow]

right

[undone anchor]

but i am not sure

[inner sparrow]

if not flat will screw i think (not sure too)

[undone anchor]

on this last part

so better to ask takao i guess

[inner sparrow]

also , how to properly hold-dodge behind enemy

really good enemies do that to me

and screw me up a lot

Dodge to back - Nothing Personal Kid ..

[undone anchor]

dash slightly to their side and tilt the screenm

best imo would be to use 2 hold dodges, but if in the right direction a tap dodge work

s

[inner sparrow]

Tilt the screen??

like move my monitor to sides?

😛

[meager trail]

😂

the camera direction

[inner sparrow]

j/k 😄

ok just rotate abit or full 360?

[meager trail]

just abit lol

[inner sparrow]

i see , ia m not doing 2 hold dodges

i just did one and didn't go well

[meager trail]

if you do that at the right moment you'll do a ''curve'' dodge which go around ur opponent, to their back

[inner sparrow]

yeah that one i want

tap dodge is something i tried to avoid , as a habit i did that a lot and screw up a lot without unable to punish and

i got punished hard during recovery

so i avoid tap dodging and trying to hold dodge as a habit

[undone anchor]

tap dodge is good to avoid single blue focuses, but generally only going backwards, since it creates more distance, but lets you vulnerable right after for long

if you go forward u usually want to hold dodge

[inner sparrow]

i see

[neat hound]

Just do a lot of 3bans and youll get it trst

[inner sparrow]

good

so

• Tap dodges for going back
• Hold dodge for doing fowrd and sides

[neat hound]

if the enemy times it right u could be punished for the tap dodge back

beware

[inner sparrow]

yeah

better just avoid , so that it won't become a habit

[inner sparrow]

doing blue focus and hold dodge and turn better?

[neat hound]

i would press rmb then jump lmb w katana after holding dodgin behind them to catch the opponent if they try to dodge out after releasing a focus

the aim assist w the rmb helps w it

[inner sparrow]

cool!

with spear that rmb tech chase + slam works really well

[neat hound]

slam the focus?

rmb focus

[inner sparrow]

no , jump rmb

rmb focus is too dumb and parriable

spear jump rmb is quite strong

[neat hound]

jump rmb recovery frames tho

[inner sparrow]

yea

too long

if missed ur ass is poked

[neat hound]

jump lmb just better

no reason for the slam

[inner sparrow]

good idea

[undone anchor]

i agree in this

[neat hound]

unless u in tarka ult

[undone anchor]

but even better, just reset and go back to hold checking

[inner sparrow]

hehe

safer

[undone anchor]

doing a jump attack is usually going to put you in a disadvantageous position overall

on any weapon

[inner sparrow]

yea

[undone anchor]

if the enemy is right outside a roll

[neat hound]

[inner sparrow]

i think spear is easierst to parry , Katana and Hengsword are best for Mind Games

new comer is Fistblades..

way too annoying

[neat hound]

mind games ps

[inner sparrow]

polesword?

[neat hound]

katana still weaker than heng

heng always safer but i hate heng

[inner sparrow]

yeah heng have so many options

even straight jab of heng got tru easily

they don't know what to do

[neat hound]

qnd the lmb after the lmb focus

[inner sparrow]

yeah , that always caught them

just outdamage by katana 2.0?

[undone anchor]

yes and no 🤔

same as staff

especially now that it has a decent focus release on horiozontal

[inner sparrow]

yeah now is much better

before , totally parry magnet

[undone anchor]

nah

before it was strong aswell, just required you to know how to play around your neutral mroe

[inner sparrow]

then i am a parry magnet

[undone anchor]

a nice parry bait machine 👍

that was spear

[inner sparrow]

i see

parry bait and then crouch lmb?

[undone anchor]

you were playing around your 1.5 charge instead of the 1.0

but at the same time you could release

before

or later

nice mind games, and nice range

but weaker

now it's a bit stronger, but still balanced

[inner sparrow]

yeah i play 1.5 a lot

it is easily parryable without baiting option

no way to cancle too

[undone anchor]

grapple mid focus

it will cancel it

[inner sparrow]

so almost stabbing grapple?

hmm good idea , but gotta be really fast

[meager trail]

not really

grapple will just cancel ur blue

[undone anchor]

also the dash

[meager trail]

even after the animation played

[inner sparrow]

i mean after started nezha

[meager trail]

wdym

[inner sparrow]

after 1.5 going , cancle

[meager trail]

this?

[undone anchor]

yep

can cancel at any moment

not very used, but can come in handy if they are parrying a bit too early

[meager trail]

actually really useful though

[undone anchor]

yep

works also for any blue attack that lasts a bit

[meager trail]

i mostly use it when i whiped my nunchuck horizontal blue lol

[undone anchor]

can use it on Nunnies, can use it on spear, ....

[undone anchor]

yep, exactly

there is the most used

[meager trail]

or fan

well just at any moment that i gamble release but realize right after that i probably will get parried

based on the distance between me and opponent

and what they doing

so i cancel blue with grapple to fix it

but i also sometime do it on purpose to fake my blue and gain some minor advantage

[neat hound]

justina v1 finally viable?

[meager trail]

wdym ''finally''

[undone anchor]

???? always has been the go to choice 🤔

[neat hound]

nah like less shayols

[undone anchor]

?

[inner sparrow]

but can that hit enemy if close?

i mean if enemy is close and parrying

would the spear hit first?

and got parried?

[undone anchor]

Depends how close

If the hitbox connects you will get parried

[dim abyss]

just face them while being in front of them and hold dodge without even any movement inputs

you can use this to slip through their attack and get behind them so they can't see your next move and have to guess

[wary escarp]

Trust that thing not

[wary escarp]

You can release, do the animation of release then grapple out of it before the hitbox comes out even

[inner sparrow]

not bad

[sly ore]

nunchucks are actually unusable if you don't make intense love to the Q key all the time

turning 180 to avoid getting parried does not work reliably

[undone anchor]

cuz u can get parried from behind your back 👍

[sly ore]

gotta hold LMB and already be in Q

that's why we all hate nunchucks

trash weapon since it's not usable on a high level for gorilla iq players

[cyan oriole]

is there any tips on weapons to get used to, i dont wanna use the wrong ones.

[undone anchor]

no worries, all weapon are good 👍

and eventually you will have to play every single one of them 🙂

just pick one that you like, and if you have any questions about it we'll be there to try and help you however we can 👍

[dim abyss]

all

there is no wrong weapon

all of them can delete opponents if you use them properly and outplay them

but there is one particular weapon that takes 0 skill and 0 brain to use

and that is fan

so until you get good you can abuse that to get free wins on people

just hold focus at them from a distance, they can't hit you but they are threatened by your focus and have to 50/50 parry or eat it

and keep kiting them

[cyan oriole]

i really like using a combination of Spear/Staff + Longsword/Nunchucks right now

[dim abyss]

staff is another broken weapon

[cyan oriole]

and tend to have a ranged weapon in the back

[dim abyss]

nunchucks is shit against good players if you don't know how to make them not shit

[cyan oriole]

i just like to use it for movement mainly cause its faster than grappling :D

[dim abyss]

and longsword requires skill to use if you want to get the most out of it

it's a barebones weapon with basic mechanics that don't carry you

[cyan oriole]

yeah i may need to prectice more with nunchucks tbh, i only just picked it up

[dim abyss]

but fan and staff can pretty easily carry you

[undone anchor]

no mouvement in the game is faster than grappling; on the long distance at least

👍

[dim abyss]

if you want to pick a weapon to get good with from the start to win more fights, try polesword

it is highly mobile and does massive damage when they make a mistake against you

[undone anchor]

on shorted distance you have scale rush, and then you have focus cancel to be a bit quicker on the ground 👍

[cyan oriole]

i use polesword quite often (when i get the horse souljade)

[dim abyss]

u dont need the horse

the horse jade is actually bad

[cyan oriole]

i don’t understand that

[dim abyss]

i don't pick it up half the time i see it

scale rush is press lmb while on a wall

you do a fast ninja dash from it

and you can spam those dashes to move quickly

[cyan oriole]

oh really? i was mainly using it to help drag people into my Viper’s ultimate or to just stun someone

[dim abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp2o5EeT4Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwZDl5-GXE

[undone anchor]

scale rush is the dash from the walls; it's faster than focus canceling 👍

[dim abyss]

here is how u get good at polesword

[cyan oriole]

ooooh thanks

[cyan oriole]

ill take a look thank you

[dim abyss]

there is a lot more to polesword other than the fully charged vertical

that attack gets parried quite often especially in trios

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rduuu7Qt7JE

[dim abyss]

i mostly use 1st or 2nd charge

[undone anchor]

you might like to check this out aswell 👍

[dim abyss]

rarely ever third charge

and like ed said

movement is just as important in this game as the fighting part

if not more important

naraka is a movement game first and foremost, fighting comes second

resource management and decisionmaking third

if you have superior movement you can get away from unfavorable fights, or you can turn fights into a battle of movement where they never get a fair chance to fight you normally

[cyan oriole]

thats one thing i beed to work on to i CANNOT parry/block

[undone anchor]

dw bout the parry 👍

[dim abyss]

well polesword has stone form so you can use that

[undone anchor]

it's impossible to always parry

[cyan oriole]

i always manage to run away (straight into another 4 teams)

[dim abyss]

but parry is just an aggressive callout that your enemy is going to use a blue

or a reaction parry if they make a stupid mistake

[undone anchor]

your best bet is, especially at the beginning, to forget the parry button exists 👍

just try to dodge everything, as much as you can

[dim abyss]

over time, asy ou get more experienced, you will get a better feel for when to parry

as a beginner just avoid 2 playstyles: 1. not parrying at all 2. trying to parry everything you see

[cyan oriole]

its why i begun to play Tessa and Justina because of their “use while being attacked” F’s

[dim abyss]

tessa has one of the best combo breakers for sure

[cyan oriole]

i dont parry at all cause it never works

[dim abyss]

if u like her i recommend u stick to her until u learn the fundamentals

[cyan oriole]

i cant play tessa anymore cause my friend plays her now, so im rotating between Feria Shen and Kylin Zhang because i didnt know who to play and decided to take those for their high DPS

[dim abyss]

kylin works with tessa

her ult stagger and then enchant both confirm charged dashes

[undone anchor]

you guys play quick match or ranked?

[undone anchor]

zai wourks best here 🤔

kylin takes the people away

[dim abyss]

zai is probabl y better yea

[undone anchor]

zai blocks them in place

[dim abyss]

easier to focus though

[cyan oriole]

we play ranked, we’re Gold 1, 1 and 4 right now

[dim abyss]

gonna have to be a bit more mindful to stay alive

one person i play with always gets focused as zai lol and i have to peel for her

even over the healer

[cyan oriole]

i used to love zai when i first started playing but i always struggled to hit her blades after the initial attack

[dim abyss]

trios?

when u climb a bit higher to maybe solar or emp you can join me and some of my friends when we play

[cyan oriole]

yeah my friends LOVE Viper Ning and Tessa/Valda

[dim abyss]

it'll help u see a bit higher level gameplay and help u improve faster

viper and tessa is a rly strong combo

tessa can pretty much confirm the viper ult

[cyan oriole]

yeah its why im trying to find a DPS to assist them (or maybe just play Ziping Yin)

[dim abyss]

who is your third character

the meta comp is Viper Tessa Wuchen

Viper and Tessa ult bomb the players

Wuchen gets everyone out if something goes wrong

[cyan oriole]

i could try Wuchen - i just didnt really like his playstyle but im down to try again

[dim abyss]

the idea is the third player is the backline support who keeps ur team alive if something goes wrong

wuchen is just great at that with this comp because you get a full reset button if your lethal ult combo fails

even if someone dies, you teleport their corpse away and revive them

[undone anchor]

or worst case put a telmuch in (which is definitely not optimal), he can help confirming some fights

[cyan oriole]

should we move to #🙎┃character-guides or stay here? cause i have so many more questions

[dim abyss]

yea temulch is great to have too

he's like a psuedo support

[cyan oriole]

temulch is legitimately the ONLY character i do not own

[dim abyss]

you can stand in the ultimate for safety and he can guarantee tthe viper ult too

[dim abyss]

yea sure

ask there

[inner sparrow]

I AGREE staff and fan are skilless weapons

[undone anchor]

No 🤔

[delicate grail]

hello help me

Can I use this resource to change the 2nd rare line?

[naive plaza]

Try asking in #👾┃showdown

[harsh beacon]

okay I hate this musket as I’m on console

but I need to deal 30k dmg..what are good settings to use it?

[harsh beacon]

nvm i just gotta aim to the right a little

[undone anchor]

Play against easy bots

Or bloodbath 👍

[harsh beacon]

thank you

[undone anchor]

Yw

[final escarp]

What's the combo after spear uppercut now?

I hit grapple lmb focus a few times but rmb focus feels hard to hit if it's true at all

are there extended combos like double uppercut or carrousel or anything?

[undone anchor]

rmb is too slow

[undone anchor]

double uppercut you can do but it does send the person like 20 miles away

[wise coral]

What weapons have the highest dmg combos

[undone anchor]

Depends what you mean by highest dmg

A lot of weapon, depending also on the hero you are playing, can perform what we call a "Tod" (touch of death), which is basically a combo that kills you if you get hit by the combo starter 🤔

For combos in general, usually katana and LS have the greatest combo potential tho

[wise coral]

LS is based

[undone anchor]

Ehy

Why*

[wise coral]

But i see katana more often

[wise coral]

Uh fun ig?

[undone anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146758123273605153/1283882241910509650/kylin_carousel_new_tech_optimal.mp4?ex=67019d03&is=67004b83&hm=49c0665243889f644e780071e99c99aa673fc8c383a25ab8e6ee19ff69bb534d&

Here an example of a fun combo with LS then

(important to know that this specific one works only on the bot, because if you cancel the choke the enemy is free to dodge; also true to say that usually you can catch them because they wont expect you to cancel it😂🤔👍)

[wise coral]

V-HD-V-CV-G-CV-H-KYLINSKILL-CV-KICK(kylinskill?)-V-V-(V?)

Is that the combo string?

[undone anchor]

Until the air horizontal you are right

After that is: Kylin f2 choke, hold dash cancel(specific direction to lineup), vertical, cV, Kylin f2 activation buffered while doing the uppercut (kick), vertical attack, vertical, horizontal

[wise coral]

Awesome

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Ejjirodo (Yoto Main) leveled up!

[wise coral]

Ima try to do that with yoto hime F2

Im sure i can modify it to work

[undone anchor]

U cant

Different abilities

With yoto there is a combo called kiss of death; u find it on longnotes' channel

[final escarp]

are there any other combos other than lmb focus?

[undone anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266684295599099955/1288046736815816756/valda_tod_spear.mp4?ex=67019a40&is=670048c0&hm=aee86102fd4254c8ee2efbffe6d279480f206904849e4e1d0c9e0f551b75ccc3&

Only a 1-2 juggle after grapple bump o fear

Plus some swaps

[final escarp]

not valda

just spear combo after uppercut

[undone anchor]

No, there isn't other aside the 1-2 juggle and the focus

[final escarp]

ty

[wise coral]

longnotes channel?

[undone anchor]

Yep

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/SW9IreADq0M?si=fY3rEMjsCa8MLC-9

Demon kiss sry* had mixed up the names

[wise coral]

Thats diabolical

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-hungry-genshin-impact-genshin-meme-genshin-impact-hu-tao-gif-24184466

[undone anchor]

And also hard

Plus it requires a ton of fos

[wise coral]

Nah id win

[undone anchor]

Fps*

[wise coral]

Shit

[undone anchor]

I can't do it on 110 , my guess is that you need 200 minimum

[wise coral]

Potat pc has screwed me

[undone anchor]

Or close to it

[undone anchor]

Yeah... Same here

[wise coral]

At least u can get 100

I can only get like 50

[undone anchor]

Only in free practice with the boy

[wise coral]

Lol

[undone anchor]

Bot*

[wise coral]

Nah

[undone anchor]

Match I go between 60-70 and I go all the way down to 10

[wise coral]

Boy

[undone anchor]

If there are like 2 teams attacking us in trios plus a bit of foliage

[wise coral]

Oof

[undone anchor]

Yep ...

But, before netcode I could heavenstep 🤔😂😂

[wise coral]

Welp

Im getting a new pc soon

Just waiting on the case

[undone anchor]

Nice nice 👍👍

I'll keep relying on my "old" laptop; don't have money for a pc

[wise coral]

Yeah i might just make a case out of cardboard

Because the case is taking 4 years to even get sent out

[final escarp]

what are the input for the hepta combo on katana?

not the souljade

[undone anchor]

Is it the double uppercut into 1-2 into focus?

[final escarp]

yeah

I think there is a vertical after the 2nd uppercut and before the 1 2 focus? And is the 1 2 focus three horizontal?

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/XnpOvZZG7yQ?si=bThfK5Hu5oEGOvYf

Here you go

This is pretty netcode tho

Pre*

[final escarp]

ty

[undone anchor]

Np

[supple vector]

hey, what am i doing wrong here?
i have the same issue with every weapon where i try to do uppercut-grapple-focus attack

[meager trail]

looks like wrong grapple position and also grapple abit too slow

[supple vector]

okay, where should i aim my grapple? 🙂

[supple vector]

so i need to aim towards the enemy (slightly behind) and use my grapple more quickly right?

[meager trail]

yeah, slightly outside the circle

[supple vector]

aight, ill try that. thanks in advance!

[undone anchor]

You hold too late; grapple is also late

Position doesn't really matter in this specific case

[supple vector]

with hold too late you mean the charged focus attack? 🙂

[undone anchor]

Yes

And the grapple is too late; on LS you can do uppercut without leaving the ground at all

[supple vector]

ugh the timing is quite precise... its verry hard for me haha 😄

[meager trail]

precharge the blue

charge it as soon as you fired your grapple

[supple vector]

ive been trying this for like 3-4 hours hahaha 😄

[supple vector]

YEA THATS IT!! that changed everything hahahah

wow thanks a lot i never thought about that 😄

[undone anchor]

Works for every weapon 👍

[supple vector]

great!

[unborn prism]

👍

[final escarp]

what am I doing wrong? My opponent always flies too far after the second uppercut

[final escarp]

it's this combo; and I saw sb yesterday doing that combo so it still works

[undone anchor]

Do you hold w when doing the air horizontal?

[final escarp]

I'm not sure, will try that

[undone anchor]

I meant not pressing it

[viscid kelp]

You can probably achieve it a couple of ways, I just start holding W at a certain point during the 2nd uppercut

Either way the final focus is not generally true, and whether it works probably depends heavily on your ping/fps and your opponent's

[queen lily]

Can someone teach me the staff combo that they hold blue after upper cut pls ;-;

I still not understand how its workl

[harsh beacon]

I’m still semi new and don’t know any grapple combos, I’m sure I can find some guides on yt but do all I have to do is grapple the ground below the enemy?

[naive plaza]

Most weapons have a basic grapple bump combo but you need to do a few things for it to land properly. 1: make sure you input the grapple fast enough to interrupt the uppercut animation
2: where you aim your grapple matters. You don’t want to throw it to close to you, try to aim it for the farther half of the circle after the uppercut
3: you need to start charging your focus quickly. I personally use the audio cue of the grapple bump (when your body connects with the enemies) as my signal to start charging but you can play around with this to find the earliest window that works for you

[naive plaza]

That’s called 211 among a lot of the community, I think there’s YouTube videos on how to do it. Try searching for “staff 211 tutorial”

[harsh beacon]

thank you so much, I’m gonna ss this so I can practice later 😭

[lavish iron]

is it just me or this new season when I do dagger combo
FV - dodge - uppercut (for some reason can't land uppercut anymore)
my ping 50-60 and fps 50-70

[undone anchor]

I can't land an uppercut there

Never could

[wary escarp]

If you talk about the bot, they pretty much can just dodge out of that combo now. However against real players, the odd you can pull it off increase significant

[undone anchor]

But 2 uppercuts on dagger is not feasible still

[wary escarp]

They didn't said anything about 2 uppercut

They talking about Dagger Vertical focus cancel into uppercut

[undone anchor]

Nvm

I m stupid

For some reason my brain only saw h focus 😂😂

For the vertical into uppercut it's still feasible, but unless you have high FPS, it's really precise timing

[wary escarp]

Not really, I only have difficult doing it against bot

Against other players is not that tough once you get the hang of it

[undone anchor]

People usually roll out aswell for me 🤔

True that I usually practice against people with 100 to 200 more FPS than me 🤔😂

[wary escarp]

tbh, I usually the one with the least amount of FPS if I ever practice with anyone

[undone anchor]

Then I still need more practice 🤔👍

[lavish iron]

I can land it last season but this season for some reason uppercut hit but enemy won't go up in air

[lavish iron]

for some reason tho when I do uppercut even tho its hit enemy won't go up in air idk why
I used to be able to do it last season
3:43 https://youtu.be/eBwRczvL8K8?si=tJW-idQp2ryNLJAu&t=223

[wary escarp]

You have to hit them at specific time, doing it too fast, you won't knock them into the air, if you do it too slow, you will not hit it. The bot after recent update will always dodge this

[lavish iron]

hmm okay I'll give it try again.
thanks for the info

[lavish iron]

any tips to skip weapon switch animation?
I sometimes saw people in yt/twitch change weapon kinda fast

[undone anchor]

Depends what kind of swap you are doing; which one are you going for?

[lavish iron]

Melee to range
I guess for melee longsword/dagger to bow

[undone anchor]

preinput the swap in the dodge

it's the dodge that allows the quickswap

[final escarp]

is it different for ranged to melee?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Ching-Szi leveled up!

[undone anchor]

i think someone mentioned smth about the melee ranged swap at the beginning of the patch; i am not sure about it tho

what i was thinking about was the swap by dodging or by grappling

[final escarp]

You can swap by grappling?

[undone anchor]

yes

you can swap during grappling

like this

[viscid kelp]

The most common ways of swapping between weapons more quickly are dodging, crouching or jumping

For example, here I did a jump swap from polesword to pistol, did a quick shot, then backwards dodged and swapped back to polesword, then got the parry

[final escarp]

forgot about that, ty. But let's say you were shooting at sb with ranged and then a third party comes rly close, so you have to swap from ranged to melee - how do you do that the fastest?

[undone anchor]

dodge

fastest

[final escarp]

I thought it's crouch, holddodge cancel swap

ok, ty

[lavish iron]

so after I press dodge then quickly tap swap to secondary weapon?

[lavish iron]

hmmm alright going to try it once I'm back

[stray mason]

And what about restand swaps?

Any info about it?

Like katana 1.0 into H dagger to restand into katana ACCA

[undone anchor]

@viscid kelp maybe has some info on it? I personally never heard of anything like this

[viscid kelp]

Sounds omega untrue

I only know of grapple restand out of katana focus, but even that is more so a trap

[neat steppe]

@undone anchor i can;t up the video

[undone anchor]

you need to be lv 1 in the server 👍 i

it usually takes around 15 messages

[neat steppe]

wow

where can i spam

[undone anchor]

#💬┃general-chat no need to spam, just hop into a convo 🙂

[neat steppe]

well i don't know what topic in there

[stray mason]

I believe that are untrue combos as takao said

But if you do katana H focus 1.0 into hold shift and swap weapons to Dagger or Duals for an H to confirm again you have a reset to start your combo again

[meager trail]

you can't confirm nothing after katana H focus

[stray mason]

This can be done with dagger too

[meager trail]

you got hit bcoz you didn't dodge

[undone anchor]

feels like a fps abuse 🤔

more than a combo

[stray mason]

I did dodge

But it consumes my stamina and rolls me back

[meager trail]

consume your stamina? where?

[stray mason]

[stray mason]

It is not my video

Just an example

[meager trail]

then you got rubberbanded

which, the ''combo'' you mentioned is still untrue

[stray mason]

I know is untrue, how coudl be possible to combo after a focus lmao 🤣

But is there something to do with this or is just an fps abuse and nothing to do with?

[meager trail]

so what are you trying to say?

[stray mason]

Just deal with it and that's all?

[meager trail]

yeah

literally

[stray mason]

Naraka cap fps pls...

[meager trail]

against a fps/ping advantage abuser there's not much to do
you dodge you got rubberbanded
you hold focus their light attack gonna hit you before you actually armored yourself with blue focus

[stray mason]

Why devs are letting this happen? they hotfix ping combos but let FPS combos be like this

Not only console players are in disadvantage but PC under 150fps too

Sounds ilogic

[meager trail]

idk they just tell us average spec to go f ourself ig

[stray mason]

lol 💀

And that is just the tip of the iceberg...

Bow+Headshot restand, or grappling restands exists too

That is a joke, literally

[meager trail]

certain techs only available with high fps or low ping or both
trying to perfom it with the condition below the requirement usually bring the worse result compare to just not trying to do it

so yeah unless the devs do something

else average spec aka ''the poor'' will get slapped left n right

[stray mason]

I saw people with good specs, not godlike specs but like pretty above average, and not passing 120fps like, what would you do to even play the game without those abusers?

And i don't wanna think about the poor console players stick to luckily 60fps

FPS giving that huge advantage is a real problem

I tried to grapple combo at 30 FPS and is not even posible, you bump your enemy towards your back

[meager trail]

this issue was mentioned many, many times, multiple feedback threads, many people speaking about it

yet nothing changed

[stray mason]

At least has someone respond like "we are aware of this issue"?

[meager trail]

they keep responded with ''technical problem, the limit of unreal engine''

[meager trail]

yes, but with ''there's nothing we could do about it''

[stray mason]

wtf? for real?

[meager trail]

ppl been asking for a fps cap for AGES

guess what happened

[stray mason]

At least ping problem with CN players going to NA just to ping abuse was a little bit solved right? might be a posibility that they fix this too or cap fps? or is time to learn those combos? lol

[stray mason]

What?

[meager trail]

nothing happened

that's the joke

😂

[stray mason]

MF xDD

[meager trail]

anyway atm for the fps and ping issue all we could possibly do is just ''deal with it''

[stray mason]

Damn

[meager trail]

or get a better pc and move closer to the server ig

😂

[stray mason]

So might learn how to do them sadly

I don't like to use those strategies, like the heaven step thing

Too abusive

Hopefully they see this and cap FPS, not only for me but for everyone who cannot access good specs or play in console

[meager trail]

oh they do see it that's for sure
bring a solution? 😂 nah

[stray mason]

My godness

[viscid kelp]

Oh that
That has nothing to do with restand though
Restand would be if you were knocked to the ground prior to the focus in some way

From your description I misunderstood

That is not abuse or anything, it's a trap

After being hit by katana or DB focus, the most common habit of players is to continue holding

This is a dodge swap to punish that habit

You can't hold but can dodge

[stray mason]

No, the thing is, even if I dodge, the enemy can Horizontal me into true combo

That is why i'm asking how this is possible

[viscid kelp]

Well given your slightly higher ping, if an enemy also has slightly higher ping, it could be that your dodge gets pulled back

If so you should use soft combo breakers (abilities with focus state) in those cases

It's not a true combo by any means

[stray mason]

That doesn't work anymore, if some has higher ping I could even give a strike before they can hit me, But having this combination of high fps low ping is gives crazy amount of advantage if this thing of Focus into combo is untrue

It means that it doesn't matter if you got hit a H confirm or a Focus strike into H means most of your health is gone by an extended combo

Literally is a TOD with no effort at all

Just hold shift to weapon swap and do the most dmg combo you can do just to 100-0 the enemy

[viscid kelp]

I assure you, if you spam nothing but V upon being hit by a focus, your ult will break you out of that

[stray mason]

I know, but the thing is that imo is ilogical that a focus blue gives you a window to combo

[viscid kelp]

Yes, on low ping vs low ping it's just a trap too

Unfortunately the devs are clueless and test nothing for higher ping