8WD Merc+ 48V

[sturdy tide]

I mean I could botl it to the wall 🤔

I’m doing a temp tower now then I’ll rerun input shaper

May just do shaper_calibrate and see what it picks

[fast ingot]

220 should be fine

[sturdy tide]

I know but I’m not sure why it’s looking like that so I’m gonna try lower temp. Only other thing I can think of is the extruder. I don’t think taking it off that mat and just having it on the floor would change anything

[hidden basin]

So extruder is wayyyyy better

Still some minor issues but I'm reverting all the changes I made.

[sturdy tide]

Nice! Yeah I’m leaning towards it being the extruder. I’m letting the temp tower go and then I may try a lower temp benchy to see if that helps but if not I’m gonna pull the extruder and motor and get ready for the hgx that gets here today

Any opinion on LDO vs moons? I’ll have both to use but have to wait till tomorrow for the moons

[sturdy tide]

What changes 👀 just so I know for later when I swap mine and throw the hextrudort out the window 😂

[charred ether]

Good to know hgx is the way to go, easy to get, cheap and good, I wish the 2.0 didn't have tacky blood spatter though

[sturdy tide]

I know I wish it was solid colors but the first version looks just as good

[charred ether]

Yeah, you reckon it's worth just getting that shorter one?

[sturdy tide]

I’d say so 🙂 it’s the one flight uses and we know it’s good for a sub 3 min benchy 🤣

[fast ingot]

So hgx it is for both of you?

[sturdy tide]

Yeah for this machine. I can run your toolhead on another machine if it’s not merc specific 😏

My enderxy is front mount rail rn but it won’t be hard to top mount it

[hidden basin]

The 2.0 is the exact same

I'd grab the first one.

That's what I have

[hidden basin]

Everything under the sun trying to fix the hex

[sturdy tide]

Ooof well I haven’t changed a ton tbh as far as slicer profiles I’ve pretty much just left it alone with your speedy one. I could try tuning accels but 55k isn’t crazy.

[sturdy tide]

One of my heatsinks fell off -_-

Also re-tensioning my belts cause input shaper graph was booty and I don’t think they were tensioned properly after cnc toolhead swap.

Only had 120hz 😭

[charred ether]

Yeah, I learn from their tests ahah definitely HGX

@sturdy tide get this bed with me, I'm gonna tap the hydra holes and Il be set
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPOJaCB

[sturdy tide]

I run 110v in the states 😭. I thought about grabbing that for my sv08 honestly

I may buy it and grab a different heater

[charred ether]

Oh shit! True, good for me yay, finally Aus is a real place

[fast ingot]

Ok
I'll get to figuring out hgx mounting

[charred ether]

You

Absolute

Legend

I'm super keen

[sturdy tide]

You may be able to use flights mount as reference

#1320853526691319809 message

It’s for vz cnc toolhead

[charred ether]

I could print a little squid cover for the top and draw tentacles over the ducts

@sturdy tide also, no rigidity issues with the stock plus frame? Planning on the beta enclosure?

[fast ingot]

I just wanted to wait till you guys came to a conclusion in terms of extruders XD

[sturdy tide]

So far it’s been solid. I may do a beta enclosure as a separate build but not on this one

[sturdy tide]

True I don’t blame you lol we’re all over the place 🤣.

oof the x

[charred ether]

Ahaha! I was thinking that lol, lock me in, sign those papers

[charred ether]

But you need to spend the money first, I want free experience

[sturdy tide]

I know you’re doing metal gantry but are you also doing AWD/Hybrid too or just all metal? I’m curious to see how it performs. May have to swap to metal eventually

[sturdy tide]

I got you 😎 I’m great at spending money. My main hiccup is finding a spot for another plus unless I can put it on the floor too lol even then I’m running out of space. I know flight’s gonna be doing a plus beta build at some point

I got mine to do a 4:20 speedboat it held up at 115k accel

[charred ether]

Yeah that was the idea, hopefully quality first then speed, I actually found that a z axis ender stepper mount works as the hybrid mount so that's one metal part, Il probably find a way to print the idler parts and belt parts SLM if it's worth it

[charred ether]

Bro, just outa nowhere, what's the it look like?

[sturdy tide]

That’s awesome! I’m hyped to see the build 😎

[sturdy tide]

#1320853526691319809 message

it was more like a benchy shaped object 🤣

[charred ether]

Yeah and of course the alu tube is done, basically just printhead, 2 extra steppers for hybrid, CPAP and hydra

I wish I could just do 2 more metal stepper mounts and make it AWD but pretty sure I'd need new inserts

[sturdy tide]

For the front? They’re probably a separate design cause of the tensioner towers too

[charred ether]

True, I could adjust the printed AWD parts to work maybeee and then just paint it with metal spray paint lol, shh, it's totally real metal

"just" it's probably difficult

@shadow ravine please?

Sensei

[sturdy tide]

I don’t think my hgx is going to be delivered till tomorrow. Rip

[charred ether]

That's not bad though, I literally live in literal most remote city in the world

AliExpress it is

[sturdy tide]

Oh yeah it’s really not bad. I’m super lucky to get fast shipping on stuff

[charred ether]

Back in my day!

Lol I'm not that old yet

[fast ingot]

I'm on it
I just need to fix the cw2 latch first
cause voron made the hinge hole way too big...

[charred ether]

I have a dirty mind

[fast ingot]

@charred ether @sturdy tide I'm gonna hop into voice shortly so if you want to partake in the adventure of trying to make the hgx fit XD

the hinge is a m3 screw
the hole is 3.4mm
causing the latch if printed properly to not snap close that well and since the fysetc helical gears put the idler arm further out it will just open on its own
gj

[fast ingot]

hgx or hgx lite?

[hidden basin]

lite

[sturdy tide]

Heatset inserts on this side or the two holes on the bottom?

[hidden basin]

that side

[sturdy tide]

Dope ty

[fast ingot]

none of the holes have heatset dimensions :O

[sturdy tide]

Should still work 😎

Also need to print right side hybrid mount it snapped in same place as the one oof

[hidden basin]

I made em smaller to grip better since I was cranking those screws down

[charred ether]

I should really be asleep

[sturdy tide]

That's not a bad idea. I had trouble getting the left side belt to go into the holder

[charred ether]

I printed them in PC, have no idea if it'll be any good though

[sturdy tide]

Hmm I haven't messed with PC before but I think it should be good

Whelp time to wait 40min for this part to print and cool down

[charred ether]

@sturdy tide you gonna jump on voice?

[sturdy tide]

I can't right now I'm on a work meeting 😦

I probably need to stop wasting filament on doing tests and just take off the extruder and wait for the new one to get here

[fast ingot]

ah guys
according to spec the hole spacing on the hgx lite is 43.5mm
my hole spacing is 43.49999 (probably a flipping error cause the xol cad is slightly busted)

[sturdy tide]

@hidden basin red or blue?

[hidden basin]

blue

Red is for button head m3 that connect the bracket to the pillars the belts mount to

blue is for the hgx

[sturdy tide]

Dopeee ty

[fast ingot]

I ahve to move the mount up again though as otherwise it wont fit

and remove the k-face

[shadow ravine]

It will be some time until I will be able to do work in cad

[hidden basin]

Hows your job going!?

[shadow ravine]

Good for now, doing simple stuff, hanging out with colleagues and talking about how things are going at the higher level in the company and other juicy stuff, regular meals, I got into cooking, I get plenty of exercice, all in all its going great

[hidden basin]

I LOVE THAT

That is amazing man

[sturdy tide]

Awesome! Glad to hear that ❤️

[hidden basin]

So glad to hear it

[sturdy tide]

Send over any solid recipes you get 👀

[hidden basin]

Gotta take care of yourself above anything else 🙂

[sturdy tide]

FACTS

[shadow ravine]

For now I did some pasta with cheese sauce, I want to learn to do some pasta with chicken soon

[sturdy tide]

That sounds so good. Cooking is always fun

[shadow ravine]

It was good, but it might have tasted better because I was hungry

How have you been doing guys?

[hidden basin]

Living in extruder hell, but other than that doing great 🙂

[shadow ravine]

I read some of the messages

[hidden basin]

It's been fun to say the least

haha

[shadow ravine]

It does not sound fun

[hidden basin]

So glad to hear you are doing good man 🙂 Makes me so happy

[shadow ravine]

Thank you guys, it means a lot🤗

I hope to get some time after I get home so that I can finish the toolchanger design and share it among other mods

[sturdy tide]

I’ve been good! Just trying to figure out this hextrudort. Bought a hgx lite and may do an orbiter later on 🤣🤣.

[shadow ravine]

I don't understand what is wrong with the hextrudort, It also seems that it is a problem that Goldy had as well

[hidden basin]

IT'S CURSED

[shadow ravine]

I was trying not to say that but it kinda looks like it

[sturdy tide]

I know it’s just crazy cause so many vz bot users use them and have great results, etc

Either it’s cursed or I’m cursed ☠️

[shadow ravine]

I suggest you keep some money aside, I have some outlandish ideas coming

[sturdy tide]

I wonder if Goldy ever got their issue fixed

[sturdy tide]

32WD 👀

[hidden basin]

Legit applying for new jobs so give me a few weeks haha

[sturdy tide]

ALL MOTORS

[hidden basin]

No belts

Just motors

Direct gear meshes

[sturdy tide]

We have an open position at where I work 👀. East TN though

[hidden basin]

Only the other side of the country haha

Commute would be rough

[sturdy tide]

Under the bed is a bajillion motors that just move the bed at supersonic speed

[sturdy tide]

Perks it’s only 2 days a week in office 😎🤣

[hidden basin]

Magnets

[sturdy tide]

But yes very rough 🤣🤣🤣

[hidden basin]

No motors

[sturdy tide]

Oooo electromagnets

[shadow ravine]

Electromagnetic filament deposition🤣

[sturdy tide]

Make the bed move with the toolhead

[hidden basin]

Quantum printing

Is it printing? Yes and No

[shadow ravine]

Than we have a quantum printer already

[sturdy tide]

Let’s just convert them to injection molding

The bed changes shape of the stl then it fills it with plastic

[hidden basin]

On Demand Injection Molding

[shadow ravine]

Selective heating might be a great idea

I am keeping it in mind

[hidden basin]

oooo

[sturdy tide]

We should make an auto part ejection system 👀

[shadow ravine]

The vertigo(voroff) style of automatic part release

And a toolchanger combined with multimaterial unit

Some filament management system

[sturdy tide]

Exactly. Their kit was too pricey for me but I love the idea

[shadow ravine]

For all the toolheads

[sturdy tide]

Hinge on the bed to have it drop it off

Out the front though cause all our electronics are on the bottom

[shadow ravine]

I will look into what the best aproach would be

[sturdy tide]

Multi toolhead tradrack lol

[sturdy tide]

Okay if you want any help brainstorming or working on it let me know. Always happy to help 😎

[shadow ravine]

Yes but a system that can switch from any toolhead

[sturdy tide]

I think we need to make our own discord at this point 🤣🤣. I’ve been talking with some guys about modding some stuff on the sv08 and we’ve talked about it lol

[sturdy tide]

Oooo could have like extruders that can swap between hotends/tool heads.

[shadow ravine]

I meant switch a filament from one toolhead to another

Depending on what you need

And also a infinity spool style of system, like the meme, swithing to secondary is faster than reloading

[sturdy tide]

Ahhh yeah okay I got you now

[shadow ravine]

A lot of complexity

With such a system it would enable you to have a big fillament cabinet and the printer would know which filament is where and auto load any filament to any toolhead

[sturdy tide]

That’d be super cool. Kind of like mosaic array I think

Sorry element

https://www.mosaicmfg.com/products/element-ht

[shadow ravine]

I am thinking of some sort of filament manifold

[shadow ravine]

Each filament would have a small unit so that its modular

[sturdy tide]

That’d be sick

[sturdy tide]

11 min

Tuned the accels some and it looks better

[hidden basin]

Still hex

?

[sturdy tide]

Upped cpap to 25 minimum with 30 for overhang

Yeah my hgx won’t be here till tomorrow

Just messing around rn and seeing if I can get it better but I’ll still probably swap hex and get your extruder config

Then I’ll use this for the IDEX toolhead then 🤔

I feel like hex is good for normal print and semi fast speeds but I think super speed runs it may have issues. At least that’s the only thing I can come up with. The statue looked great and all my slow prints look great. Slow being less than 20k accel and 300mm/s

Which is crazy to call that slow ☠️. I see what you mean by this makes all other printers slow. My bambu’s look like ender 3s now 🤣🤣🤣

[shadow ravine]

@sturdy tide did you get the light weight x beam?

[sturdy tide]

No just the standard x beam

I heard it can cause issues on the plus also I just haven’t really thought about it

I wonder if I just let klipper handle all the accels if it’ll be better. I’m gonna try that next set max accel to 55k

[shadow ravine]

I have it, I cant say if it does or not

[sturdy tide]

Did you get yours printing before you left?

10:30. Pulled it immediately so the smoke stack warped. Maybe a little more cooling or slow down outer wall

Maybe I’ll use the hgx for the IDEX toolhead and just order the chc xl 👀

Do we use mgn12h or c carriages? I realized I’d need another one for my second toolhead

[shadow ravine]

I did not print on it since september

So my mods went untested since then

[sturdy tide]

Ahh okay, it’ll be ready for you when you get back 😎

We’ve done all the testing 🤣

So we should be good

[shadow ravine]

I had trouble with bdsensor and the bed so I was a little worried to print on it if the offset is wrong, if it started scraping the bed or tried to do some funky stuff it had enough power to keep pushing until the bed and toolhead were just metal shavings

[hidden basin]

Not bad!

for 10min with a cursed hex

[sturdy tide]

oh wow, did your carto probe ever ship?

[sturdy tide]

thanks! trying with klipper handling the accels right now

also going to try this cooling duct https://www.printables.com/model/457589-tentacool-beacon-for-vz-printhead/files

[shadow ravine]

I think its somewhere in europe

The traking is not very specific

[hidden basin]

Sub 10 before

And sub 10 after (right

[sturdy tide]

Yeah their tracking is not the best. Mine just randomly showed up after saying it got sent back lol

[hidden basin]

Needs some tuning but huge improvement

[sturdy tide]

That’s WAY better

I’m hyped

10:26 klipper handling all accels

[hidden basin]

That looks good!

[sturdy tide]

Let me try going faster lol

I know I’m actually uncursing it or something lolol

[hidden basin]

4 min

[sturdy tide]

Damn not bad at all

9:27. 75k accel klipper. I don’t even think I’m doing .5 lw lol let me set it for speedboat settings I bet I can get faster

[hidden basin]

That's not good

[sturdy tide]

How

Maybe inner ptfe

[sturdy tide]

Or was the thermistor not tight enough?

[hidden basin]

Inner ptfe

[sturdy tide]

Damn was it too small?

[fast ingot]

@sturdy tide @charred ether since looking at the parts, I realize maybe it would actually be better to not have the goliath mounting holes slightly rotated (mine are bent weird cause I bent them to shape before I had the sock and then was like: well I'd rather cut the sock than break the nichrome)
I would need someone to print a prototype though and check whether wire routing works as I obviously cant test that

[sturdy tide]

I can print a prototype and test it. I’m gonna have to take mine off anyways to swap the extruder so I can do it then or another time.

[fast ingot]

yeah I need to finlaize it first
also I think the m2.5x5 screws that come with it are a little short
that does not leave much plastic to grab onto

[sturdy tide]

Yeah no worries. I should have some longer m2.5 screws but if not I can always get some more

[sturdy tide]

Time for tentacles

[charred ether]

awesome. I can print it too once I get the HGX

[hidden basin]

I fell in love with my printer again

After almost wanting to kill it

Back to flawless 10min benchies

finally

[sturdy tide]

With the hgx? I’ve been getting mined tuned and debating not swapping it but nah once it gets here today I’m swapping that mfer

Im gonna do one test print with the tentacles then take off my extruder and motor so im ready for when it gets delivered

Can you send your extruder config? @hidden basin

[fast ingot]

my people
we are getting somewhere

just have to do some small cleanups and then add back the rest of the stuff and the m2 screws and I can send it your way

or I can send the stls for the core and carriage front plate first so you can print and then do the full cad

beacn rev d was the probe right?

[sturdy tide]

I’m using rev h

[fast ingot]

Goliath heater cable is supposed to be routed out here

[fast ingot]

well revH I already have
I have 4 mounts with different distance to the nozzle
I havent tested which one is best concerning temperature

[sturdy tide]

Okay sweet

[fast ingot]

loading it into fusion to do the final touchups and then export the stls
I will send you core and carriage first cause that needs testing for wire routing (which I cant do cause as said my nichrome is bent weird)

[sturdy tide]

Tentacle didn’t work. Beacon plug got in the way rip

[fast ingot]

I also made it use the m2.5x5 screws for now

3mm of plastic
should work but thicker=better

[sturdy tide]

Yeah mines bent to the right currently

[fast ingot]

print the core out of pla first and test it, if the holes need adjustment just tell me, its fairly easy to rotate them

[sturdy tide]

Cool will do! Idk when I’ll get to it. @charred ether may be better to print it but I’ll get to it after I tackle some of my other issues/projects lol

[charred ether]

Yeah Il print it with my newly acquired x-plus, Il do it in PC

But first in ye Olde pla

Polymax because I can

[fast ingot]

I mean you can also print it in asa/abs
but pla is normally cheaper XD

[charred ether]

Yay!

How does the carriage bolt in though?

[sturdy tide]

gonna try this one again, but any advice on getting the back heatset inserts in? they're such a pain lol

[charred ether]

You could get an unused solder tip and bend it on a right angle

I really need to start a build log

[sturdy tide]

Oooo that may work. Idk if I have one but I can find one

Do ittttt

[charred ether]

Yeah I need to clean up the area and take some nice photos and then post tomorrow, I'm getting that voron bed, it's like $160 cheaper than the Zerog one and only 20mm smaller

[sturdy tide]

I feel that my area is still a mess ☠️. Ayeeee that’s significantly cheaper

[fast ingot]

I only sent the parts that are relavant for fitment testing rn
I have to finish up the full cad with screws and figure out a toolheadboard mount/strain relief

[sturdy tide]

Gonna try this lmao we’ll see if it works.

[fast ingot]

oh btw, obviously the stuff prints on their back
forgot to adjust the orientation

[hidden basin]

Getting so close

10 min

[sturdy tide]

That’s perfect

Whenever you get a sec I’ll take that extruder config and beacon offset 👀👀. Amazon will be here today I already got a hot plug ran for extruder I’m hypedddd

I’m gonna full send another 4 min benchy after swapping the extruder too

[hidden basin]

Oooo Right

Give me a few minutes

[sturdy tide]

yessir no rush

thank you ❤️

[hidden basin]

serial: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Beacon_Beacon_RevH_65C9DF0D5154354D38202020FF0A150A-if00
x_offset: 0 # update with offset from nozzle on your machine
y_offset: -25 # update with offset from nozzle on your machine
mesh_main_direction: x
mesh_runs: 2
is_non_critical: true

[extruder]
step_pin: skr:PB0
dir_pin: skr:PC5
enable_pin: !skr:PB1
nozzle_diameter: 0.400
filament_diameter: 1.650
microsteps: 16
rotation_distance: 42.075
gear_ratio: 9.5:1
heater_pin: skr:PC9
heater_power: 100
sensor_type: PT1000
sensor_pin: skr:PA0
min_temp: 0
max_temp: 350
max_extrude_cross_section: 5
max_extrude_only_distance: 250
cooling_fan: fan

[tmc2209 extruder]
uart_pin: skr:PC11
tx_pin: skr:PC10
uart_address: 1
run_current: 0.750
sense_resistor: 0.110

[autotune_tmc extruder]
motor: ldo-36sth20-1004ahg```

[sturdy tide]

Thank you! now I need amazon to hurry lol

did you swap in the moons motor or still running the ldo? which one do you think i should use? I have both 10t

[hidden basin]

I couldn't use the moons

The stepper cooler rubs on the back

[sturdy tide]

ohh

i should be fine with it though

This is the ldo one I have

also i think once i get it set up. I'm going to run the exact same gcode as the ones from last night and hopefully prove it's the extruder

did you swap back to cht? I have the one that came with goliath on rn

Time to be saved for whenever I add idex to this Merc. At least I'll have an extruder for it lol just need hotend and rail carriage

[hidden basin]

Yeah I swapped back to cht

Amazing results now

So happy

Trying to dial in pressure advance

[sturdy tide]

dope i'll swap it back in once i get it hooked up and heated up

I'll probably use the moons motor i gotta find it's config for autotune

I need to get .5 cht for benchies and .6 for fun lol

[sturdy tide]

#1320853526691319809 message

did you see this message? It’s free and he goes over how he tunes his pa for the t250

Which it being able to do 200k accel is wild what motors are they using

Also I realized the belts were slipping from the clamps I had on them cause my tension was way down. Added zip ties and re-tensioned. Gonna re-run input shaper when it’s back all together

[hidden basin]

He speaks my language

LDO 42STH48-2804AH

That is what they are using

[sturdy tide]

Did you sub? I’m on the free tier but kinda wanna build a t250. I know I just got that email 🤣🤣

[hidden basin]

Yeah

haha

[sturdy tide]

Ahh I wonder how they deal with vfa’s

Niceeee

[hidden basin]

I was for a while

[sturdy tide]

I may sub soon I’ve been thinking about it but I gotta find room for a printer lol

[hidden basin]

THen stopped when I built this

[sturdy tide]

If I could enclose it I could make it my parts printer 🤔 but I still wanna do a mini build

My friends shipping me an old ender 3 too so I have another thing to corexy convert if I want 🤣.

[hidden basin]

Classic debate as old as time

Jack of all trades, master of none?

Or Master of One

[sturdy tide]

Basically lol now that all my other printers look slow and the project lists keeps piling up 🤣

[hidden basin]

I think the three I want at the end of the day are Merc Plus Idex, Speed Merc, Lil Ripper

[sturdy tide]

I may use it as the foundation of a parts printer and go custom 🤔

[sturdy tide]

I like that lineup. I’m really leaning towards idexing mine since it’d be another hotend and carriage.

I think one of my sv08’s will be a tool changer. The other one will probably just be a tinker machine. Enderxy will be a speed demon. Then a smol parts one

What small one are you thinking of?

[hidden basin]

Prob a v0

[sturdy tide]

That’s what I’m leaning towards. May do sovols sv08 mini cause it’s a v0 with dual z but idk how much it’s going to cost. I also like building them so v0 may be the way to go

[sturdy tide]

is there a reason your filament is 1.65? also i do think beacon offset needs to be positive 25 not negative. i could be wrong though but i had positive on my current one and it was fine. maybe it doesnt care

[hidden basin]

wtf

How did that get changed

For mine, since I home back right, its 25 behind the nozzle which......yup that is accurate

Good lord

maybe i'm the problem

its me

[sturdy tide]

Lmaooo idk maybe a typo one day from working on it?

No worries lol I get confused between negative and positive for it. I’ve been messing with beacon for so long I’m pretty good with it now

I’m the problem too 🤣

Amazon needs to hurry 😩

It says by 9pm and I bet it’ll be 8:59 when it shows up

[hidden basin]

whenever I really want something

That happens

[sturdy tide]

Same that’s always how it goes

They can sense the excitement and decide to reverse their route 🤣

Okay should I put the classifieds on the merc when they get here or put them on a smaller printer for extra speed. I’m leaning towards smaller printer but not sure

[hidden basin]

Prob merc tbh

You need the torque

Small one doesn't

[sturdy tide]

Yeah true I wanna hit higher accels

I could order 2 more 🤔

[hidden basin]

classifieds on top with 2504 on hybrid has been great for me

[sturdy tide]

Then run it on both. But then I wouldn’t have a use for the 2504s so I’ll use those for the other ones

Yeah I’ll probably run that

Then use 4 classifieds and 4 2504s on the enderxy if I 8WD it or just AWD with 4 classifieds

Or use them for that custom build i was talking about earlier with the 3 pro bed

[sturdy tide]

The right and left hole didn't like up for the extruder mount but it's solid so it's fine. Got them both in and one of the heatset inserts is loose will probably reprint the mount later but for now it'll work

[sturdy tide]

it's extruding. time to tune input shaper then do the same gcode benchy from last night

gonna do 55k accel

[hidden basin]

Full send

[sturdy tide]

i'm gonna have to mess with the x

[hidden basin]

I've spent way too much time tuning PA

[sturdy tide]

ooof what's been wrong with it? .02 worked well for me with your speed profile

may need to redo it with this extruder

[crystal yew]

where are the numbers?

[sturdy tide]

idk my shake n tune hates me cause i'm on extended corexy

or it just hates me in general cause flight's may work

y is crispy

[sturdy tide]

it's been sent. previous 10:30 one so same accell as this one #1320853526691319809 message

we're going full science mode. only difference is cht nozzle vs normal nozzle.

Forgot to redo z offset oof

[hidden basin]

oh nutz

I have ruined two plates because of that lmao

[sturdy tide]

lol there’s a huge gash in 2 of my plates from something similar. This plate I’m using now and my sv08 plate. Took like 3/4 of it out

Oof gotta reprint that mount lolol

[hidden basin]

Oh man

What material?

Does it need changes?

[sturdy tide]

abs and the screw holes didnt line up

i'll space them out rq and see if that fixes it. I have the step 😄

although my cad skills are ass lol

[hidden basin]

Which screw holes?

[fast ingot]

What are those stepper towers:O

[sturdy tide]

the right one. the left one was good, but the right one needs to be like .75 mm to the right more

[sturdy tide]

the ones from @shadow ravine 8WD mod. It has shoulder bolts all the way through and a bracked on the back holding it to the frame. He did a wonderful job with them

[fast ingot]

Hm

I'm gonna stick with my metal ones XD

[sturdy tide]

if i could get his in metal that'd be sick

[shadow ravine]

One day

[sturdy tide]

tbh i couldve just put the heatset insert wrong @hidden basin

[fast ingot]

With the metal ones you can run m3 screws through the spacers and bolt them to the longer extrusion from nebula as well

[sturdy tide]

like it looks right

ah wait the right one barely rubs it on the outside

so maybe .5 mm to the right for the right side hole

[shadow ravine]

I made is so it bolts to the beta frame the same way

[shadow ravine]

But with m5

[fast ingot]

theoretically the center screw could also be m5 but I didnt want to drill out the plates

(not saying yours are bad btw, was just curious)

[hidden basin]

Nough said

one sec

[shadow ravine]

I dont know how they compare but the metal mounts are stronger, the question is if it is noticeable

[fast ingot]

my main reason for the metal mounts is temp resistance

[shadow ravine]

That would be my choice too

[sturdy tide]

@hidden basin i think i got it

[hidden basin]

I made the wings a bit thicker too

[sturdy tide]

oh dope i'll use yours

[hidden basin]

So the heat inserts don't crack it

[sturdy tide]

ty

[hidden basin]

Is that the HGX?

Model

[sturdy tide]

yee

[hidden basin]

lemme test fit rq

[sturdy tide]

can you re-upload? it's giving me an error in the slicer

dope that works for me

[hidden basin]

Try this

[sturdy tide]

loaded perfectly

printing now

4 walls 40% infill sound good?

[hidden basin]

Yup

That is what I used

[sturdy tide]

dope

20 mins then gotta wait for it to cool

i should put the merc in the pop up tent and get fast abs prints

maybe that's what the sv08 or the custom printer will be

[hidden basin]

Are you printing open air?

[fast ingot]

make the hole roughly 4.7mm wide, otherwise you will run into issues

or 4mm for the smaller m3 heatsets

[sturdy tide]

For abs? No I haven’t had any luck open air printing. My p1s does all my abs stuff mainly

Sometimes the sv08

[sturdy tide]

We ready v2 lets go

Time to hook it up and full send a benchy

It fit perfectly

Benchy time

So smexy

Oof I got some tuning to do

[hidden basin]

Check extrusion rate

Then do a flow rate

My PA is 0.02735

I am using the input shaper PA tho

[input_shaper]
enabled_extruders: extruder

to enable that

[sturdy tide]

I double checked rotation distance. I’m doing flow rate now. I didn’t have the thumb screw tight at all so I wonder if it wasn’t gripping enough

[sturdy tide]

What’s that?

[hidden basin]

kalico feature

That looks like hella over-extrusion

[sturdy tide]

Ahh I’ll have to read into it that sounds cool

Yeah it does but rotation distance lined up

At least from what I measured

all the flow tests were under extruded

hmmmm

[hidden basin]

hmmm

[sturdy tide]

Okay adjusted fan duct and the thumb screw. It seems to extrude consistently so we’ll see

[sturdy tide]

Still looks like crap. What’s your retraction and speed?

[hidden basin]

0.15mm 30mm/s

What does it look like

[sturdy tide]

Mines .5

[sturdy tide]

Ugh I may need to use the tower method

[hidden basin]

Looks like super over extrusion to me tbh

Not sure why that would be though

It's the exact same as mine

[sturdy tide]

maybe rotation distance is off?

[hidden basin]

Did you try a 100mm extrusion?

[sturdy tide]

yeah i measured 120 and there was 20 left but let me try again

also why is there no github or any info on the hgx lite? lol i couldnt find crap

[hidden basin]

Solid question

No clue lol

[sturdy tide]

i saw one thing say the rotation distance should be 5.7 on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/VORONDesign/comments/1d9suqi/whats_the_sketch_with_hgxlite_gears_im_going_for/

maybe i'll try 5.7

lol it didnt like that

[hidden basin]

yeah it's def 9.5:1

[sturdy tide]

yeah i dont think that reddit thing is right

[hidden basin]

Maybe we are cursed for extruders

Or I got super lucky with my hgx and unlucky with my hex

idk anymore lol

[sturdy tide]

re-measured

overextruded by 23mm

[hidden basin]

AH

Yeah that'll do it

[sturdy tide]

re-calculating rq

[hidden basin]

Although idk why it would be diff than the one I gave you

wack

[sturdy tide]

idk i'm using moons 10t

okay updated to 51.75225

going to try to re-measure first

overextruded more lol 53.82234 new calculation

53.8 is perfect. sending benchy now lol

[hidden basin]

8min

[sturdy tide]

Not bad at all for 8 min

[hidden basin]

Still trying to figure out those layer lines

[sturdy tide]

Why’s your cooling so much better than mine 😭 what settings are you using?

[sturdy tide]

Yeah I’m curious how this benchy is after the rotation distance change

Okay I need to up mine a little bit more

10 min 7 seconds

With klipper handling all accels

Need to rerun input shaper I think or maybe take the mat from under the printer it’s making it bounce around

[hidden basin]

Now that is an improvement!

Looking really good!

omg

I tightned my belts and forgot input shaper, thats prob those lines

ugh

[sturdy tide]

i'm doing shaper_calibrate and letting it do it's reccomendations

i get hz but it gives me 0s for all the accels

may need to reinstall shake n tune or something

[hidden basin]

I am starting a 250% benchy and then going to bed haha

[sturdy tide]

dope i feel that i'm doing a 14 min benchy then calling it lol

[hidden basin]

This has been today

Lol

Big Boi

[sturdy tide]

Same and I should do a 250% one too lol

I need a filament recycling machine

[hidden basin]

I just grabbed the x1c settings, slapped a 250% scale and said that'll do

I figure I have a million tiny ones lets make one cool big one

lol

This lil boat has become my life

[sturdy tide]

Lmao forreal we need to make our own test model 🤣

[hidden basin]

Yo a scorpion could be sick, and a great model

Tail for overhangs

Antennas for stringing

[sturdy tide]

I’ve wasted so much filament lol. I want to find that perfect balance of speed and quality but faster than all other normal corexy printers lol

Dude that would be sick

[hidden basin]

Exactly what I'm doing

[sturdy tide]

We got this 😎

I need to loctite the extruder to the printed part. It started coming loose lmao

[harsh canyon]

Make sure the loctite doesn't touch the printed part, otherwise, melting will occur 🤐

There is a loctite alternative that is printed part friendly.

[sturdy tide]

ooo didnt know that. ty for the tip!

if i end up melting it i'll have to check it out

[sturdy tide]

Okay so my Goliath kind of wiggles a little bit. I think the speeds were pushing is pushing the screws out lmao. I’m gonna loctite those too. Not to the heartbreak but to the vz cnc toolhead

[charred ether]

I bought the voron 350mm bed kit, should be good $225 aud

I immediately knew there was a huge markup on beds when I was offered $100 less for a kit with a slightly askew heater and he said "otherwise, we remove heater and re-applied towards next year if no ones want them."

So really it's no loss to them

[sturdy tide]

Yeah I’m glad fabreeko has them here in the states. Only thing is idk if I wanna buy a voron bed for my sv08 🤔.

[sturdy tide]

Hmmm so it is the 2.5 screws holding the heartbreak to the plate. Maybe I should loctite them 🤔

[sturdy tide]

Also the extruder gears kinda flop around do I need to shin them 🤔they resonate during input shaper lol

[sturdy tide]

added a washer and re-ran input shaper. it didnt change anything so i took the washer out

[sturdy tide]

12:03

[hidden basin]

SUPER BENCHY

OMG it literally turned out flawless

Probably my best print ever

[sturdy tide]

Yeah that is flawless

Looks amazing

What all did you change in your slicer profile for flawless? I can’t figure out those lines 😭

Unless my outer wall is too fast maybe

[hidden basin]

Literally just copied the x1c standard profile and adjusted the speeds a little bit lmao

[sturdy tide]

i need to redo pa. I didn't redo it after my rotation distance got fixed

hell yeah so lower accels?

[hidden basin]

Actually sped up the default profile

[sturdy tide]

Okay, I think I’m gonna try that route to get the balance instead of going from fast to slow

if I can do quality at 40-50k accel that’d be the sweet spot

[hidden basin]

I'm running 35k

250 benchy in 2h

I remember my first benchy took about that long

[sturdy tide]

that's really quick and same lol

on this stock ender 5 plus

it's come a long way lol

[hidden basin]

Back when print speed s were in the tens not the hundreds, almost thousands

Acceleration of like 500 lol

[sturdy tide]

Dude I should hook up the ender 3 that’s on its way to me and get it running it’ll be soooooooo slow 🤣🤣

I don’t really want to waste my time troubleshooting it kinda just wanna start the teardown

12:20 not bad need to tune pa still

[sturdy tide]

Pa tuned to .046 looks much better

[hidden basin]

Guys

You know mineral oil PCs

What about mineral oil cooled stepper motors

Actually that wouldn't work at all lol

Forgot belts exist

[sturdy tide]

dude i cant get rid of the two lines lmao

Re-tuning flow rate it has to be that cooling is fine

[hidden basin]

Oh those will always be there

https://help.prusa3d.com/article/the-benchy-hull-line_124745

Legendary

[sturdy tide]

oh rip then maybe i have it good enough? there's some spots on the seams that have gaps so redoing flow rate

i'm gonna try something other than a benchy

maybe the astronaut

I wonder if we could remix the feet to be more dampening? Idk if tpu would help

[hidden basin]

I was actually thinking of printing them in tpu

I just got some

[sturdy tide]

Do we have a file? I have some tpu laying around that’ll work

[hidden basin]

Yeah

It's in the step they have

I'll send it over

Mine moves so mf much

What

How did you get red

[sturdy tide]

same it hops around on the floor

[sturdy tide]

hit level 30 by being a no life and staying on here xD

[daring goblet]

Vote Booster: Vote now for a 10% boost. https://arcane.bot/vote
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[hidden basin]

so close

[sturdy tide]

flow rate had underextrusion so i upped it back to 51.75 and am printing an astronaut right now

[sturdy tide]

Hotend clogged whole trying to replace filament time to take it apart lmao

Looking better overall but still looks a little odd

[crystal yew]

almost looks like too high PA

[sturdy tide]

I'll try turning it down. I did the tower method and got .046 but maybe I'll try .04

[crystal yew]

thats my PA

[sturdy tide]

.04 or .046?

[crystal yew]

0.046

[hidden basin]

Mine is 0.02765

I recommend the PA test from kalico

[sturdy tide]

sweet just got it unclogged i'll try that one

what do you all use for smooth time? mines .03s right now

[crystal yew]

same

[fast ingot]

0.02

[sturdy tide]

okay sweet. how do you calibrate that? or do you just pick a number and send it

[crystal yew]

I have no idea what smooth time does that why I left it at 0.03

[fast ingot]

ellis pa tuner

[sturdy tide]

dope

[fast ingot]

its basically the time pa will kick in before a corner

the faster you go the lower it has to be

[crystal yew]

ah thx

another thing I learned from you

[hidden basin]

This is todays goal

[sturdy tide]

Good luck! Sounds like youd need a spreadsheet 😂

I think I need to move my CPAP location from the bottom back. I think it's pulling in warm air. Not sure if that's bad or not

[fast ingot]

Quick update
I haven't been able to get to the toolhead today as I was tidying up the printer room
I hope I can get to it tomorrow and send you guys the full cad
Did the cable routing work?

[sturdy tide]

I haven’t been able to print it I’ve been working on getting mine tuned

Small spot messed up on top but I’m slowly getting there

[sturdy tide]

The back lost adhesion and had to up the temp to 260 starting at 55mm/s cubed from 240. Made it to 72 before it really started looking bad. Pla+ non high flow type

Need to load up polyterra and try. Last time I tried my unload filament macro it clogged the hotend so gonna try manual removal 🤣

[hidden basin]

Maybe its the filament but this looks like its melty? Like printed too hot or not enough cooling?

What filament

I have been really liking the polyterra although the matte really shows layer lines

[sturdy tide]

iiidmax Pla+

That was at 220 with 40% cpap but I think my cpap is pulling in the warm air. The area it’s in is hotter than ambient temps

It flowed really well at 240c but I do think it’s just the filament. I’m gonna try polyterra next

[charred ether]

Printing in a sec on ye big delta

[fast ingot]

No rush
But making sure the wires fit is good XD
And I can't test it😂

[fast ingot]

You want your CPAP to pull chamber air

[sturdy tide]

I’m not enclosed 🙂

[fast ingot]

Hm

[sturdy tide]

Yeah lol. It’s like sitting in a warm spot in my room so it’s pulling in warm air when it cools the prints. I’m thinking about just moving the printer

[charred ether]

put it in a fridge

[sturdy tide]

I do have a deep freezer in the room next to it 🤔

[sturdy tide]

So I ran one of the max accel tests and best I can get on y without it separating is 15k @300mm/s outer wall speed. X does better to about 20k-25k 🤔

[sturdy tide]

https://youtu.be/P7BhMKqIkig?si=zzOZF8JY6RLI_zUv

I know now what all the parts of the benchy indicate lol

[sturdy tide]

I think if I want to go faster(with quality) I’m gonna have to go smaller or do a new frame on the plus. May price out a beta pro build or look at modifying the enderxy/custom route

[hidden basin]

Adaptive helped some areas and made some way worse

So that was a waste of time

eh maybe just needs some more tuning

[sturdy tide]

Damn that sucks 😭

Yeah probably

[hidden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/son-of-a-bitch-chris-farley-saturday-night-live-god-damn-it-aw-come-one-gif-18069882

[sturdy tide]

There’s gotta be a way to automate it into the slicer or a macro you can run so it doesn’t take so much time. Maybe once it gets more reliable 🤔.

How much was the beta frame 👀. I wonder if I should do it 🤔

[hidden basin]

I got it on black friday

It was like $180 or something crazy

[sturdy tide]

Damn that’s not bad at all. Hmm I may have to look into it or see if @shadow ravine wants to do a custom frame if we’re renaming it 🤔 maybe 3030

[fast ingot]

Go 4040
Easier to adapt

[sturdy tide]

True, 4040 would be solid too

[hidden basin]

OK I found a much better way to tune it

Way faster

[crystal yew]

??

[hidden basin]

Adaptive PA

I keep meaning to post in mine lol

[crystal yew]

hmm so far I have my PA in the cfg file and it looks good on every filament

[hidden basin]

It makes a huge difference when you start really pushing speeds, and transition between speeds alot

I wasn't sold on it at first, but after this new method it's looking promising

Results will get posted in my build log

[charred ether]

I was looking at 4040 problem is that the difference in price to 3030 is $75 to $160 per 5m

[sturdy tide]

Damn that is a huge price difference. I wonder if it’s any cheaper here but I doubt it

[sturdy tide]

https://8020.net/40-4040.html

[fast ingot]

rough estimation for misumi europe:
5pro beta frame 2020 ~155
5pro beta frame 4040 ~220

[sturdy tide]

Not bad. I’m in the states. I wonder if what I sent would work

[sturdy tide]

Only thing is I don't know if I want to spend the extra money and do Hydra if I don't have to. I bet I could adopt the stock bed until I decide I want to do Hydra

[charred ether]

Well I had the thought to simply convert the basic frame to 3030 and the beta parts that make up the enclosure as 2020

[sturdy tide]

That may not be a bad plan. 3030 would defintley be an improvement. I may try to shoot for 4040 with stock bed support but we’ll see

[fast ingot]

4040 (double 2020) profiles are rather easy to adapt, you basically just have to adapt the skirts

[sturdy tide]

Okay cool I’m not even running the skirts right now just the feet so it’d be even easier

[charred ether]

Im not going to do the skirts either, Im either doing external electronics case or back mounted like the vzbot

[sturdy tide]

I wonder if I should buy a drill press to drill all my access holes 🤔

[charred ether]

They are useful, get a second hand one

[sturdy tide]

Yeah brand new is $100 for a mini one I’d probably just start with that

[shadow ravine]

Yes, but it will take time, I will be back home in a week, 4040 on the outside and mostly 2020 on the inside, I will still need to check and see what the best aproach is

[sturdy tide]

No worries I’m not in a rush or anything 😁. I can help you work on it too and obviously test it

[shadow ravine]

Also it might help if I make it so the electronics are on the back so that the bottom is free for the next step

[sturdy tide]

I like the idea of putting it on the back and freeing up the bottom

On top of the backpack could reside the mmu unit 🤔

[hidden basin]

I love the backpack on mine

[sturdy tide]

Could add a third set of feet on the backpack for extra stability 🤔

[fast ingot]

backpack is important if you go wc in the chamber imo
keeps the ac away from potential drips

[sturdy tide]

Yeah I don’t think I want to do water cooling but defintley a good point

https://youtu.be/MffF5_rbtW8?si=0FeHNVHBmkShzcV1

This looks interesting

[shadow ravine]

Yes, but I want to clean the bottom so I can make a mod similar to vertigo(voroff)

By the end of the mods there will be no parts in common with mercury or hydra, but there should be an upgrade path

[eager snow]

I have always wanted this for infill, never thought about it for inner walls. Pretty slick.

[sturdy tide]

I have too! Also one of the reasons I’d like to have a toolchanger for larger nozzle infill with smaler outside walls

[sturdy tide]

https://trianglelab.net/products/mze™-dlc-v6-melt-zone-extruder

new mze with socks included 🤔

[sturdy tide]

Numakers Pla+. 230c up to 60mm/s3. 240c from 60-70 and 250c from 70-75mm/s3

[sturdy tide]

17:50. Goal is to hit 15 flawless

[fast ingot]

@charred ether @sturdy tide I definitely didnt more or less finish up the cad and then forgot to send it XD

I havent figured out a solution for strain relief yet, so save the carriage top plate for last cause the heatset hole in there might change
Beacon is gonna use the beacon screws (I would use the long ones, the holes in the plastic part are deliberately 3mm wide so the screw slightly threads into plastic)
both normal and right angle beacon should work
also I would use m2 washers on the fan ducts, might add those later in the cad

[sturdy tide]

Does anyone know how to update the build log photos for when you click on it?

[hidden basin]

Nope

Mine doesn't have any because of that

[sturdy tide]

I think @coarse lance updated their photos maybe they know 👀.

[coarse lance]

You delete the original photos then put a link of the photo in the first post of the thread

[sturdy tide]

Thank you!

[charred ether]

looks great, how do I separate these new parts to print?

[fast ingot]

open them in any cad program and export the stls

I sent the step so you guys know how to assemble it and what goes where
just fyi, the strain relief isnt done yet

oh actually I also need to make the beacon rev d mount

[sturdy tide]

@lofty walrus

Here’s the message with the changes for Shake n tune. Mine works but it doesn’t show accel numbers for me

#1320853526691319809 message

[lofty walrus]

Thank you!

[sturdy tide]

Of course! There’s 3 files you have to modify it’s listed right below that message. Basically just adding extended_corexy and then it’ll work 😁.

[lofty walrus]

Where is this located?

[sturdy tide]

#1320853526691319809 message

[lofty walrus]

Oh man. It was the very next message lmao

Thanks

[sturdy tide]

lol no worries I had to ask him a few times 🤣. Of course

[lofty walrus]

Lol

[sturdy tide]

I’m curious how it works for you. I wonder if I need to reinstall to get it to show the accel numbers. Normal input shaper works fine

[sturdy tide]

15m 8 seconds. Time to throw a larger print with this profile and see how it goes

[hidden basin]

Ayyyyy

Now that's looking good

Quite a bit better than this

[sturdy tide]

Yeee a little bit of rippling but I’m going to up the temp. Was doing 230 but numaker’s Bambu profile has it at 250 for shiny finish so we’re gonna send that lol

Also that was like sub 3 minutes though 🤣

I need to try another speedboat but for now I’m thinking of printing a bust or something. Trying to find a cool file

It’ll be single color but may send this 🤔

[sturdy tide]

Think I got a decent speed/quality profile. Mix between 20-40k accel

[shadow ravine]

Looks great

Speed?

[charred ether]

So I might be getting $2.8k from a medical study, guess Il be spending more based on what works well on both your builds ahah

Downside Il be in a hospital for 4 days lol

[shadow ravine]

Lol

Anything for printer parts I guess haha

[fast ingot]

Do we need to implement limited_hybrid in Kalico?

[sturdy tide]

400 outer wall 20k accel 500 inner wall 30k or 40k accel I think. 550 infill at 40k

[sturdy tide]

What’s that? I haven’t really looked into it with kalico

[fast ingot]

Limited_cartesian and limited_corexy allows different accels for x and y

[sturdy tide]

Onhhh yeah I thought about trying different accels per axis. I may mess with it today and see how it goes

[fast ingot]

I don't think it works with extended

[sturdy tide]

Well damn lol

[hidden basin]

Yeah nothing really works with extended

Because the different stepper names

[sturdy tide]

That makes sense

I mean honestly I’m pretty happy with the profile I made. I may try to tweak it to go a little faster (end goal 50k quality like vez3d gets lol)

But for now I think its solid and can move onto the next printer teardown/upgrading 🤣

[hidden basin]

Yeah, I've found that 15 min benchy is like perfect balance for me. Still Uber fast but great quality

Then a flawless Uber slow (still faster than a bambu lol) for overnight prints where I don't care

25k seems to be the sweet spot IMO

[sturdy tide]

I agree. Plus I’d rather it be a little slower and look better but want to get the best performance out of it.

Yeah I mean even slow quality profile seems to be faster than any of the other premade corexy machines so I’ll take it 😎

I think my outer walls are at 20k but I may up it to 25k and see how it does

[hidden basin]

I keep my outer walls and top surfaces slow, crank everything else

Adaptive PA is a game changer

After tuning it right.

[sturdy tide]

Yeah that’s pretty much what I’ve been doing too. I need to tweak it a little bit more and look into setting up adaptive PA

[hidden basin]

I found the best method is to use the test built into bleeding edge kalico. Set low for 100, med for 300, fast for 600mm/s. Then do acceleration tests every 5-10k

Makes it pretty straight forward. I made an excel sheet that does all the math for you, going to tweak and I can send it over.

[sturdy tide]

Okay cool. I need to read into the docs for how kalico does it

[sturdy tide]

https://a.co/d/gnnSmYq

Thinking about grabbing these in the meantime before doing the new frame. May try to find metal versions of the printed style ones too.

[hidden basin]

Those are the ones I am using

[sturdy tide]

Sweet I'll pick some up. I feel like it'll help some. I don't think the printed corner braces will help but I'm debating it too 🤔

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006896551869.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006109141481.html

Those are so expensive 😭. May just do printed ones and see if it helps at all

[sturdy tide]

My left hybrid belt came loose again so I put some super glue in the channel with it 🤣. May need to order some spare gt3 belts incase I need to run it again or use the gt2 I have on hand

Probably gonna get a lot of gt3

[hidden basin]

Ohhhhhh I should have mentioned that

Yeah I super glue both ends of the hybrid

Only way to keep em in at 240+

Yeah I need to order a ton.... Wondering if I can get a bulk deal somewhere. If you find anything lmk

kb-3d was cheaper than fabreeko last time I checked

Actaully I think fabreeko is out of 9mm

[sturdy tide]

I’ll check them and west3d but honestly ordering bulk may be best from Ali and just wait for shipping

I got it like mostly in with the super glue but I think it should be fine. Not sure why it’s making that weird noise though. I’ll let this print finish then mess with it. Don’t wanna waste the filament

[hidden basin]

I just worry about quality

[sturdy tide]

From Ali?

[hidden basin]

Yeah

Vs like genuine gates

[sturdy tide]

Yeah I think they have genuine ones though. I’m sure they’re all made in China then imported to the states

[hidden basin]

facts

[sturdy tide]

I just found this on AliExpress: $7.81 | Mellow 3D Printer Parts POWERGRIP GT3 GATES-LL-2MGT Pulley Timing Belt Width 6MM 9MM 10MM 12MM Enhanced Precision And Durability
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMIwb3N

They’re out of 9mm rn I think 😭

But I may do 10M of 6mm

[hidden basin]

12mm it is

WAIT A SECOND

I KNOW THAT PRINTER

[shadow ravine]

Looks familiar

[hidden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-gif-16979335686892685769

[sturdy tide]

Time to buy 10M of 6mm and maybe some 9mm

They have 6M of 9mm

I can’t tell if it’s the extruder rattling or what

It was the extruder lmaooo

I need to loctite those 😭 idk why I keep forgetting that lmao

Tightened those and now the noise went away. After this print finishes I’m gonna loctite those holding the extruder motor to the extruder then should be good

If I do classifieds should I go 9mm 🤔. I’m thinking of buying both so I have both on hand. Also need to get the pulleys for 8mm shaft and maybe 30t. May grab some extra for the enderxy if I want to put 2 classifieds on it

[shadow ravine]

Hmm

Fun plans you are having

[sturdy tide]

lol I have no idea what to do 🤣

For now I think it’s good and going to reinforce the frame some more and then start on the enderxy. When the classifieds get here I’ll re-asses lol

[shadow ravine]

Fun stuff

[sturdy tide]

Thermistor broke but got the broken part out thankfully. Replacement parts on the way

[harsh canyon]

There's a US seller of the thermistor if you need it quickly. (If you are in the US of course).

[sturdy tide]

Yeah, I got them from print3d! Thank you for letting me know though. I'm so glad they're was one in the US lol

I was worried the thread was going to be stuck in the heartbreak. I'm glad I managed to get it out. Saved some $$$

[harsh canyon]

If you ever need an alternative, Provok3D also sells one. https://provok3d.com/product/provok3d-m3-pt1000/?v=0b3b97fa6688

Bit of a different design.

[sturdy tide]

Thank you! Got it bookmarked for later. It doesn’t look as flimsy as the other one

[waxen onyx]

Provok3d's PT1000 is the best!

[sturdy tide]

I ordered 2 so I’d have a spare but I’ll probably pick one up from them too

[waxen onyx]

Had one break a couple weeks ago, twisted it up in accident and snapped one of the wires. Got 3 mellow ones from print3d, 2 from provok3d. Will never have down time due to thermal cable problems

[sturdy tide]

Yeah it’s my first Goliath so I didn’t think about spares. I’m gonna put quick connects on the cables too so it’ll be easier to swap them in and out

[waxen onyx]

Yeah, I kicked myself for a week for not getting two when I ordered from provok3d. The one that came with my Goliath was DOA

[sturdy tide]

Merc is back up and running. Installing metal frame corner pieces and going to finish them up in the morning then test and compare before and after

[sturdy tide]

graphs after brackets

#1320853526691319809 message

#1320853526691319809 message

@fossil turtle before (message links) and after installing those metal corner braces i sent the other day. the t nuts that came with them don't fit in the extrusions so i just used m5 t nuts

[hidden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crisp-crispy-elmo-apple-heads-gif-24456581

[charred ether]

Any of you following Roetz 4.0 on yt and his printer?

[sturdy tide]

No I haven’t heard of him. I’ll have to look him up and see

Ohhhhhh. I’ve seen that. Would you even call that a printer though?

Isn’t that just specifically for doing speedboats

[crystal yew]

looks awesome

[sturdy tide]

Thank you! Did you get your hybrid working?

[crystal yew]

no now I only get internal error g28

btw I only mounted the motors no belts yet

[sturdy tide]

Were you able to successfully downgrade the extended_corexy?

Ahh okay so not that much pain to remove but I’d like to help you get it working

[crystal yew]

yeah after that I got this error

[sturdy tide]

Rebooted klipper after downgrading? Can you send your config?

[sturdy tide]

Hmm that all looks good. Does klippely.log show any error messages or anything?

[crystal yew]

I dont understand everything in klippy log

[fast ingot]

  File "/home/pi/klipper/klippy/kinematics/extended_corexy.py", line 97, in clear_homing_state
    if i in axes:
TypeError: 'in <string>' requires string as left operand, not int

thats your error

[crystal yew]

hmm

[fast ingot]

if you read a log and want to know a code error
it comes before all the sent/receive lines

are you on klipper or kalico?

[crystal yew]

kalico

i did this #1293314447036649492 message and got the error

[fast ingot]

https://github.com/SnakeOilXY/klipper-extended-corexy-kinematic/tree/b6efbdad8f6c275ab526b7c480626eb69326ee5a

use this version

[sturdy tide]

Hmm so I found where it threw the error but nothing pointing out what it is. Give me a sec let me look through some other stuff

[fast ingot]

klipper changed some stuff regarding kinematics
kalico did not cause the change is dumb

[crystal yew]

I use this

[sturdy tide]

Ahhh okay. What change was it?

[fast ingot]

this commit?

this commit will not throw the error you posted!

[crystal yew]

I only got the g28 error after I downgraded the extended-corexy-kinematic

[sturdy tide]

Try copying it over again

Should be git clone then the link he sent

I think

[fast ingot]

https://github.com/Klipper3d/klipper/commit/4aa550837fc170d0b77a0d461ca4f970b7bee7ae
this
and this:
https://github.com/Klipper3d/klipper/commit/6ab253366cca1b5d2d8e9dec6ea243c0853612f7

[sturdy tide]

Zeanon keep me in check lol

[fast ingot]

I would just manually insert the file
since we dont want updates rn

[sturdy tide]

Ahh fair point

[fast ingot]

thats a different commit than what I sent you

the command you linked me to checks out a different commit than what I told you

@sturdy tide basically kevin changed the api for no apparent reason
causing all sorts of incompatibilities

[sturdy tide]

Yeah that sounds frustrating tbh. Now all the plugin people will have to update their stuff

[fast ingot]

yeah

[crystal yew]

ugh I'm starting to hate kevin

[fast ingot]

Does the commit I sent you work?

[crystal yew]

still working on it

need to figure out everything never worked with commit

[fast ingot]

just copy the contents from the file and paste it

[crystal yew]

ugh thats a lot of stuff that I need to copy paste

[fast ingot]

It's one file

Literally
Just the extended_corexy.pi

[crystal yew]

I dont see that file

[fast ingot]

https://github.com/SnakeOilXY/klipper-extended-corexy-kinematic/blob/b6efbdad8f6c275ab526b7c480626eb69326ee5a/src/extended_corexy.py

Did you roll back Kalico?

[crystal yew]

I found another issue my SD card is hot

[sturdy tide]

Do you have a spare? I wonder if it’s dying I’ve had one die on me before

I need to set up klipper backup

[crystal yew]

yeah already installed everything and its working now

[charred ether]

Gonna try these for steppers https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrsYa3p

[sturdy tide]

Those should work well

[crystal yew]

@sturdy tide could you show me where you mounted the belt tensioner of the hybrid?

[sturdy tide]

Sure thing give me a second and I’ll get you a pic

@crystal yew

[crystal yew]

thx

[sturdy tide]

M5 x 20mm I think with a m5 washer

Of course

[crystal yew]

@sturdy tide how did you run belts responses on shaketune

[hidden basin]

You have to change like 4 files

[crystal yew]

ok

[hidden basin]

I can look them up in a bit

All torn apart right now

[crystal yew]

lol

[hidden basin]

Actually wait

I told bg somewhere

Just have to change
elif motors_config_parser.kinematics in {'corexy', 'limited_corexy'}:
to
elif motors_config_parser.kinematics in {'corexy', 'limited_corexy', 'extended_corexy'}:

Let me get file list

Detected the following modifed files: ['shaketune/commands/compare_belts_responses.py', 'shaketune/commands/create_vibrations_profile.py', 'shaketune/graph_creators/vibrations_graph_creator.py']

Just have to change

 to 

elif motors_config_parser.kinematics in {'corexy', 'limited_corexy', 'extended_corexy'}:```

'shaketune/graph_creators/vibrations_graph_creator.py']

There are three references in this file

I have a pull request out with the creator to fix it in main branch

[crystal yew]

I cant find that line to change

[hidden basin]

search for all instances of limited_corexy and change it to extended_corexy

Should find the line

[crystal yew]

I couldnt find the line in shaketune/graph_creators/vibrations_graph_creator.py' but found it in the others

[sturdy tide]

lol i only changed it once on the graph creator i bet thats why there's no numbers instead of 3 times

[crystal yew]

did you find the line in shaketune/graph_creators/vibrations_graph_creator.py?

[sturdy tide]

yeah there were 3 of them

[crystal yew]

hmm I couldnt find the last one

[sturdy tide]

about 3/4 the way down

[hidden basin]

Belt tune is hard though with 4 belts,

Technically it's comparing 3 vs 3 so you can get wack results

[sturdy tide]

Yeah I just want it to show the numbers in my graph lol

[crystal yew]

uhm it supposed to move the bed also?

[sturdy tide]

I don’t think so lol

[crystal yew]

it moves everything now

[sturdy tide]

But I’m not sure since I haven’t tried it with belt comparison

Like all the tests?

[crystal yew]

not sure I clicked belt response and its also moving the bed

looks like it doesnt move the third belt but the bed

[hidden basin]

Def not

[crystal yew]

I think its taking corexz instead of extended_corexy

[sturdy tide]

Hmmm that’s strange did you add extended_corexy for all three spots?

[crystal yew]

yep

it only does that with belt response

[sturdy tide]

Ohhh okay yeah haven’t tried that yet

[sturdy tide]

Doing some speedboat testing and 600mm @100k accel and the frame is SOLID

[crystal yew]

ooo now I wanna test mine

what are your settings for your entire toolhead I just saw we have the same

[sturdy tide]

Are you running hectrudort plus or low? I'm running plus and klipper settings or slicer settings?

[crystal yew]

plus

[sturdy tide]

i can't gert it to print faster than 6:30 for some reason and i need to tune my pa but there you go

[crystal yew]

That is maybe orca slicers fault

[sturdy tide]

Possibly. It estimated 3:30 in slicer

[sturdy tide]

My y belt came out of the holder and got messed up so swapped to gt2 for hybrid on both sides

some graphs and gonna do speedboat now hopefully

[sturdy tide]

Both of those are crispy. I need to get my x better

[sturdy tide]

@crystal yew I checked my connections for the HB motors and they’re fine at 1.6 with 48v so not sure what’s going on with yours

[crystal yew]

maybe bad motors

[sturdy tide]

Possibly. I had an extruder be bad on arrival so it’s possible

[crystal yew]

too bad I cant order from fabreeko to much import cost

[charred ether]

So the bed kit came finally and it looks great, packaged really well, has holes in top corners in M5 and a single M3 hole centre top, so I can either get M5 10mm threaded balls and then just drill/tap a single m4 hole opposite middle edge or tap/drill 2 M4 holes opposite the single M3 and just widen it, in case you thought about getting the voron 350mm kit

It's actually 355mm so you only lose like 20mm

[sturdy tide]

Quick update on the merc. I’ve been tuning it after reinforcing the frame. Most recent input shaper graphs look like a rollercoaster on y 😂. Going to try changing the accel per hz

[sturdy tide]

Broke the Goliath. Ordered mosquito magnum+ working on getting it put back together today hyped to see how it goes

Also probably going to be swapping in classifieds for the awd portion of it

[crystal yew]

Is it dead dead?

[sturdy tide]

Yeah the mze is stuck on. The threads broke or something to it infinitely spins. I may try to take a torch to it and pry it off but I’ll probably buy a replacement heater part and use it on another machine

[crystal yew]

damn that one expensive hotend

[sturdy tide]

I know, I’m hoping it works well since precursor seems to have good results with it but we’ll see

I thought about chube too so maybe that next 🤔

[sturdy tide]

Almost ready to test it

[crystal yew]

it almost looks like that gonna melt down

[sturdy tide]

It probably will but we’ll see 🤞🏽

I have a cnc toolhead worst case I can throw on

[supple star]

How’s the magnum treating you 🤔

[sturdy tide]

Tuning flow rate now but we’ll see 🤞🏽

Gonna do pa test then some practical prints

[supple star]

It looks like it’s running good? Anything on the toolhead warping?

[sturdy tide]

I think the ducts did a little bit but other than that it’s been solid. The bolts through the tensioner arms helped I believe

[supple star]

Good news about the bolts, I was hoping that concept would hold up lol. I’ll move the ducts out a bit from the hotend tho for the next version

[sturdy tide]

Dope that works for me