ark-2

[blissful perch]

To satisfy “both teams” you need Asa and Ark 2. People will have issues with a mandatory third person combat style, but it’s sort of required to properly communicate dodges and parries if the game is built around them

The advantages are pretty major, but it’s also true that folks who liked running around in first person will lose something. Thankfully they didn’t go the other way and make us all motion sick with mandatory first person mounted camera

[untold ingot]

Ase pvp had more unofficial players than official. Mts at its height had higher pop than main official

[tribal chasm]

Yes but those are extremely short term servers, Ark is a long term game unless having a 'few weeks of fun'

[untold ingot]

Most of the pvp playerbase does short term stints. The longterm stuff isn't actually good for playercount stability

[blissful perch]

For a small but vocal minority of players. Most gamers can’t or won’t spend the number of hours that official 24/7 forever pvp asks of them - at least not for that type of stint. It’s part of why so many people show up when a new map comes out and the number sharply drops

[azure wave]

Couldn't agree more. Ark is designed as one big playthrough across the different maps. Players need to retrieve their Ascended Engram from the Tek Cave and use ferry resources from some maps onto others. It's a very key part of Ark.

Take Aberration, there's hardly any metal available to last long-term. But, if you go to Ragnarok or even the Center, you'll find amazing zones for metal coverage.

I would never use the metal nodes on Aberration for a metal base, there's just not enough to go around.

Furthermore, let's say you go to sleep and someone comes in to kill your Therizinos or Rexes containing 40 mutations into a stat while you're away. You've lost MONTHS of progress.

Ark isn't a PvP game, it's a progressive story based game. It was never intended to have full wipes all the time. Only a very small percentage of the community play PvP, and even then a smaller percentage of that group actually kill all Alpha bosses throughout the maps.

Personally, I don't understand why they consistently nerf and balance around PvP like it's the main attraction. It's a tiny lil gamemode that really should have it's own completely separate balancing adjustments.

I'm not sure if what I heard was accurate, but rock drakes don't allow the player to turn in a meaningful way unless they're out of first person view on the saddle because of PvP.

So everyone in PvE on aberration get's boned for Reaper Taming because my dino is TOO STUPID to turn quickly in first person thanks to PvP? Dumbest thing I've heard, only implement that function on PvP, not PvE too.

Wildcard has the HARDEST time separating the boundary between PvE and PvP, which is a huge reason why Ark will forever have mixed to negative reviews. Choose one mode and balance around it for progression, then create another game mode with stricter rules (PvP) that are focused on social-sandbox type interactions.

Palworld has done exactly this and the game is FLOURISHING. Wildcard needs to figure it out.

[winged dome]

But Ab is -the- best map for metal if you know where to look 🤔

[hearty osprey]

yeah, ab is the top map for metal

even with the nerf it got in ASA

[rough cloak]

Whats ark 2? Asa or smth else?

[winged dome]

smth else

[blissful perch]

Ark is designed as a sandbox, not as any specific experience. It’s not really meant to have an “end”, and most of the objectives and experiences are defined by players. Lots of people play Ark PvP, and that’s great - I rarely bash that format. The issue is that official PvP for a game like this is a huge investment of resources to moderate, provide anti-cheat, etc that I see as having failed to ensure the experience is sufficiently fair. So much so that I feel it’s better to cut losses and invest in making a better base game that the community can build upon to make PvP work best for them (and wc saves money they can invest into the game’s content)

Also…nerfing stuff is vital to a PvE game’s success almost as much as it is for PvP. Just as you would buff/TLC a useless thing, sometimes you need to nerf something that is smothering the incentives to explore other options (ie a tame so good in PvE there’s no point in trying anything else). Diversity in what people choose to do, and the viability of those choices, is extremely important to the long term engagement of players in any format

[hearty osprey]

yeah, people claiming there is no point in nerfs for pve are imo just wrong, i don't think it's fun to have something that does everything and is a win button that u can get in 5s

[azure wave]

Oh for sure! Nerfs are okay for some things, but right down to my CAMERA view and TURN radius on a mount in first person? That's a little much to me. In real life, I can physically look behind me when I'm backing a vehicle to make sure I don't hit anything >.>

[civic osprey]

Also question is it just me or dose the ASE UI look like it was made for mobile ?

[hearty osprey]

no, don't think so, ASE final UI was fine, old mobile ASE UI is something else

[civic osprey]

ik but like i look at it and i feel the urge to use a touch screen idk why

[untold ingot]

I mean that's not exactly agreeing with me. I wasn't saying that ark is better at pve than pve. I was more saying that pvp is both more fun and more active on a good wipe schedule with active admin support. The issue with longterm pvp isn't actually losing progress, and it's also not the start to stable loop. It's the networking with other players that's inhibiting to people. Teaming on smalls and being in a mega on 1x are the real downsides. Those aren't as much of an issue on unofficial because they are either caught by admins or just not worth the effort. You can't make Megas on a wipe server that come close to Megas on 1x,because there's no real motivation to do so. In ark in general 40% of players are pvp. So saying small percentage isn't right.

[untold ingot]

But I can't use 20 gloons to beat alpha lc anymore. 😂

[hearty osprey]

||don't think they could ever even enter it as classed as flyer||

[untold ingot]

Was I accidentally exploiting? Because I used gloons.

[hearty osprey]

on shoulder maybe?

[untold ingot]

Following me around

It was busted they onshot everything

[hearty osprey]

no, when u tp, was it on shoulder?

[untold ingot]

No, I had 20 of the

[hearty osprey]

weird, never got mine to enter

[azure wave]

I'm focusing on the overall progression of the game, really. The developers intend players to fight every boss on alpha difficulty as there's an achievement to reach max survivor level.

I don't see any achievement to kill x amount of players like 7 days to Die does.

While the PvP community may be large, they work best in small stints as you've said. None of that coincides with progression which is the main point of Ark.

The reasoning is pretty clear, my points aren't invalid, and they honestly pair with yours. Networking becomes a major problem in PvP especially as people's lives change.

Some get busy, resulting in less people in a tribe, resulting in more wipes for that tribe. An unlucky player just can't progress in PvP within a meaningful amount of time.

For unofficial, everyone on PvP needs to become allies and the host steps in to create large events for PvP amongst players in an isolated zone.

I used to play PvP on a server like that once back in ASE, but people became busy and the host got annoyed with some players wiping bases outside that zone, resulting in the shutdown of their servers, permanently. It became a headache for them to manage everything and constantly roll back. I've witnessed it first hand, personally. Lost a good 250 hours I'll never get back :/

[hearty osprey]

"For unofficial, everyone on PvP needs to become allies and the host steps in to create large events for PvP amongst players in an isolated zone. "
wtf unofficial pvp u on? what u described at best is a pvpve server or just a pve server during a pvp events

and ark is about progression about as much as minecraft is, they sandbox games, u do what u want, there's bosses, yeah, none mandatory

[azure wave]

This is PRECISELY my point about Ark having a terrible blend between PvP and PvE. Ark has an ENTIRE STORY with built-in cutscenes specifically after defeating any of the Ark's defenders. To say they're not mandatory is true, but they're a CORE part of the game Wildcard has built. It's foolish to pretend otherwise

[blissful perch]

Idk, the game doesn’t really guide you towards the bosses though

[hearty osprey]

it's a sandbox game that just ask, survive

[blissful perch]

It’s more guided than ASE’s “zero cutscenes between spawn and boss” but only very marginally

The core is really about taming creatures - everything else is sort of a “you’ll probably wind up attempting it because it’s on the map for you to try”

[azure wave]

I'd argue it most definitely does. You don't put MASSIVE obelisks in the sky with a terminal below it showing different boss portals for little reason. You can put 2 and 2 together.

That's how me and my brother in law learned about the bosses and proceeded to look em up online.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[azure wave]

Ark 2 exists in the same plane of existence as The Elder Scrolls 6

[azure wave]

I'm just going to pull it back a little bit. Ark is intended to be a full playthrough from one map to the next. After annihilating the overseer, a cutscene displays the player going through space and landing on Scorched Earth. Lo and behold, Scorched Earth was the first paid DLC launched for ASE.

While PvP content exists, it is NOT the main focus.

The developers genuinely need to service both game modes INDIVIDUALLY.

I remember the great Flyer nerf of 2016 because people were attaching C4 on speed mutated Pteranodons capable of bypassing turret rotate and shoot speed. Which caused the developers to FLATTEN the speed of flyers, no longer allowing them to become blazingly fast.

So everyone on PvE gets to feel this nerf because of PvP? No. Terrible decision and shame on the devs for not implementing that feature in PvP only.

If you enable PvP in Ark Ascended, you can kill unclaimed dinos, but if you enable PvE, you can no longer kill said unclaimed dinos.

They very clearly have the technology and functionality IN PLACE currently to detect the servers game mode and apply dynamic changes. There is absolutely ZERO reason for PvE to receive PvP nerfs. Ark will forever stay in this mixed-negative review state because they can't figure out how to service one game mode from the next.

[blissful perch]

I agree there is a guiding force towards obelisks and bosses, but it’s much softer than even other survival games. You aren’t level locked (for the massive bulk of ark’s progression anyway) until you beat certain bosses, you’re not really locked to certain man regions, and you’re not really locked to specific tames or gear beyond your player level (that can be increased by pretty much anything). That’s more my point - the direction for the bulk of your player experience is self defined (even if yes that involves most people very early on looking at obelisks and interacting with the story)

[blissful perch]

I think WC is very much pulled in two directions, so I agree with that. I know a lot of people disagree with their approach to keeping both modes as similar as possible, but the theoretical benefit of easier transition from PvE to PvP and vice versa is something worth noting - it also helps WC design one game rather than in essence two different games. I also appreciate you bringing up the flier nerf. As a PvE player this was actually an amazing boon for me, because it helped reign in the most OP tames at the time (remember when you could run most caves with a speed boosted PT?) and allowed me to experiment with and enjoy using grounded tames out of necessity. As part of their sandbox mindset wc did of course allow players to turn this nerf off with an ini change or via mods

As for negative reviews? It’s not imo too much because of the PvP vs PvE split. It’s because they’re struggling to make official pvp a fair place (imo it’s just never worked well, hence my push to remove official pvp), and people lash out in reviews about it. For many other pvp and PvE folks the main gripes are monetization practices and performance rather than balance changes. All fixable issues, but not really due to the PvP/pve split

[azure wave]

Sadly only to an extent. Flyer speed mutations couldn't be achieved anymore, and we got a static 1.0% movement speed per point spent. But they tried to alleviate the pain a little bit.

The flier nerf was extremely off-putting for everyone in my group back on official PvE and we all quit shortly after. It took us over 3 months to get those pteranodons and they simply vanished. It's not so much that the movement speed got nerfed, as much as our time being wasted as players. It could've been handled FAR better on Wildcard's end. Unofficial became the ONLY way for us to play after 2 years moving forward.

I've seen a couple reviews regarding PvE/PvP decisions, but the majority does revolve around performance, DLC cost, and the community too.

I'm really hoping Wildcard can learn from past mistakes because Ark really is an amazing game with extreme "potential". Just so it's out there, I gave Ark a positive review back in 2024 and I don't plan on changing it anytime soon.

I also understand why they don't service both game modes separately too, it would require at least 2.5x the amount of manpower. Teams need to communicate and work on basically 2 different titles at the same time, while project managers implement updates between both versions for newer creatures. It can get messy pretty quick

[blissful perch]

I also think a bigger issue linked to your concerns about the flier nerf was that WC promised “infinite duration officials” despite their game being early access or otherwise subject to being developed. This is another reason I dislike officials…it hard locks wc because they’re aware changing things that impact player progress is miserable for players, so they reduce the types of changes they can make and how they make them to avoid doing this as much as possible. What WC should have done imo was clearly and transparently state at the outset that certain major update thresholds may or would fully wipe all official servers so new features, balance changes, etc could be rolled out

Though this opinion is colored by my dislike of Ark as an MMO, which I don’t really know what WC’s thoughts on making Ark an mmo are. If they want an MMO, they’re going to continue to want infinite duration officials and minimal changes that impact player progress (as they should if they promise a place where your progress is infinitely available as long as the game’s servers are online)

[azure wave]

I couldn't agree more here. Recently I completed Alpha Rockwell solo, and if I didn't have my 755.4% pump shotgun, it would've been impossible due to time. I had 2 minutes and 57 seconds to spare if I remember that correctly.

The difficulty slider doesn't even affect anything outside of max level dino spawns, meaning you'd need to otherwise adjust the player damage output itself or lower creature resist, which further breaks balancing because you'll be modifying everything else.

Ark requiring larger groups has never been a favorite thing of mine. Other games scale bosses' health and damage by the amount of players within a designated arena. While I'm happy there are big tribes with 10+ people actively playing, it feels terrible needing maxed equipment to complete bosses solo

[blissful perch]

SP being scuffed (which I’ve said a lot here should not be an ark 2 problem) is a big deal for sure. The stat based combat that it sounds like LC is trying to slowly wean the game away from is also going to help with that

[untold ingot]

It takes between a week and a month for a decent solo to complete all bosses on 1x rates.

[warm bane]

ark 2 is like GTA6 now will never be out.

[stark fjord]

ark 2 i heard abt it when iwas in 10th now i have graduated

and its still not out

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[queen sorrel]

World war 3 is gonna start before Ark 2

[pine brook]

I mean ww3 will happen eventually in the next 1000 years

[queen sorrel]

I dont mean to be political but considering america and russias situation yeah maybe ww3 could be sooner

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a fuckin myth

[vernal glen]

they not getting on LC boss arena, neither shoulder or on themselfes

[grizzled vector]

Is this game still happening? I forgot all about this tbh

[turbid steppe]

[hearty osprey]

they keep saying it, must be true

[daring bone]

gooner

[wind swift]

so im like, waiting for 6 years or so now, when will there ever be more than concept art drawings 😄

(rhetoric question, this thing is about as real as the hyperloop)

[wintry cloud]

alot of us pray this never comes out just improve and work on ASA there is so much that needs fixed and its not even getting any attention and yall want to even think about another game

[winged dome]

Meanwhile a lot of us are hyped for the changes, hoping WC abandons the Official Network entirely and lets those resources be used on development and polish

[mystic wharf]

To be honest the only way i will want ark ascended and not ark 2 is if they change 2 things i dont like in the game but they will probably never do it since they dont care about players

[mystic wharf]

a lot dont seems hyped for ark 2 otherwise peoples would have asked for ark 2 instead of ark ascended remake

I want ark 2 because there is things that bothers me in ark ascended and maybe it will be in ark 2 like for example i feel that the world of ark is pretty boring it lacks some kind of immersion to the environnement and that's tiring to play and not feel immersed in the world because i like the other part of the game so i kind of like ark but at the same time i dont feel a lot engaged in the game because im not a guy that play the game just for building bases and stuff

[mystic wharf]

But i feel that its insane to wait for another game for that kind of stuff

Why make ark ascended then

[viscid breach]

please snail games i need this

[cunning grove]

to milk us for more greenbacks to fund Ark 2 after grossly underestimating the cost of game development and losing ASE's cash in a failed bid to start an electric car company XP Having us beta test the newest unreal engine and coding techniques planned for Ark 2 is a free QA win for them too

[untold ingot]

Multiple things can be true. The main reason for Asa is because people asked for it tho.

[mystic wharf]

Ye thats exactly what i said above to the other guy , peoples asked for asa that's why we got the complete remake we could have had ark 2 instead by now but some peoples love to deny that fact

[untold ingot]

I think it's better that it's been delayed tbh

[mystic wharf]

Ye but at the same time i want to Play a new game lol i kind of like ark ascended but it can be better for me and the wait of ark 2 get me tired and for me it will release in a very long time

[untold ingot]

2 years isnt that long. And ark isn't the only game out there.

[mystic wharf]

Its long to me even more with the fact that ark ascended is like ark evolved nothing new really

[split dove]

are you employed? if so it shouldn't be a a issue to pass your time

[untold ingot]

Nothing new? Just a new story map l, astraeos like 4 dlc.

[mystic wharf]

When i say nothing new it means not a complète différent game its still feels like im playing ark evolved

[untold ingot]

That's literally every game released in the last decade.

If you really want something new, play something else. Learn some math, or do some physics.There is a lot to do for physicists.

[mystic wharf]

I dont want a new game if they improve the first that's what i said above , but i want ark 2 because they might add more stuff that they will Never add in first game , like for example a game that feels More realistic than asa like getting more environnmental immersion etc .... That kind of stuff because ark World feels meh

[untold ingot]

Asa is majorly improved

[mint swan]

Any news or updates about ark 2 release date or anything? Im fed up with survival evolved and ascended, haven't completed either but I get so far everytime and then just give up when im reminded how broken both games are, hoping ark 2 actually works without bugs and stuff ruining it

[oblique horizon]

[mystic wharf]

For real

[mint swan]

Ive started playing palworld on single player as compensation, not gonna lie the game play quality and enjoyment far exceeds the ark experience

[mystic wharf]

Ye ark is just a trashy game tbh pallworld better, im gonna say that and gp gonna come defend the game lol , fanatics....

[winged dome]

Projecting 2028ish release

[blissful perch]

I think we all are hoping for Ark 2 is a smoother experience, but given the track record WC has I’m struggling to have that expectation…

[untold ingot]

For someone who doesn't like ark you sure are here an awful lot.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[modern pond]

Please give us an option to center our camera veiw with ranged weapons no right or left corner peaking just center the veiw entirely how about that?

[upbeat elk]

Les pica el ano

[mystic wharf]

Ark is a trashy game , What's false about that ? And who said that i dont like ark ? You are the only one that is saying this

[mint swan]

Isn’t Ark like still One of the best survival Games?

[mystic wharf]

I agree with you The rigid caméra without Options to modify it how you want throws me off and when you want to modify it in the game , the Options are not good at all in this game

[mystic wharf]

But to be honest im a guy that play mostly in 3rd person and they need to add an complete orbitale caméra system not a half made one because when im on players against players its so hard to counter attack them because you can't even see behind you while running away from them and that makes gameplay so hard for me , that's what i dont like with the camera that ark has , its like you are Lucky or not Lucky when someone is trying to shoot you from behind and you can't avoid it because you can't see where the ennemies are ,
How about you improve the already existing orbitale caméra and making it more complete like being able to attack and turn in different directions ? you can already attack with dinos just improve it , i have enough to be killed unfairly
@cunning talon @vale pike

[mystic wharf]

Dude you are kidding i hope

[mint swan]

I mean it’s buggy asff I know it the best, I play singleplayer on consoles, but look at the Game besides the bugs and I know it’s difficult to do that. You wouldn’t be here if it wasnt right?

[mystic wharf]

The game is good in terms of what i like to see in a game its my type of game yes , but other than that everything else is bad

[mint swan]

The only Bad thing are the Bugs, imagine This Game Bug free

[mystic wharf]

For me its bugs , lags, slow gameplay, lack of good options (mostly for me) caméra systems, then the rest is fine for me but its dépends what the individal person like

[mint swan]

Oh Yeah and dont forget the Performance… I kinda like the slow gameplay it makes the Game more grindy, but you could also set the settings to faster taming, faster grow (Baby Dinos, plants) etc

[mystic wharf]

To be honest if this game had everything that i said and made it right , it will be the best game for me at least or one of the Best

[mystic wharf]

Grindy isnt a problem for me , slow gameplay means performance for me but nevermind we are just talking for nothing i think i need to stop talking because its something that will Never happen knowing the developers , so this discussion is useless to be honest@mint swan

[untold ingot]

I mean, you do seem to spend all your time here complaining about it. It gets old.

[mystic wharf]

I have the right to complain about something i dont like About the game though , We are not in a prison right ?

[untold ingot]

I mean,complaining about a game that hasn't released yet is a bit wierd

Not to mention its not constructive, and no one wants to hear it.

[mystic wharf]

its kind of constructive and Not everyone dont want to hear it , some peoples complain about the same things as me , not to mention Wether its constructive or not it will never happen with these développers, so why losing my time trying to write it in a magnificient manner like i did some times ago with developers that dont Even care ? ,they bring down the motivation to do so

[untold ingot]

A magnificent manner 🤣. Bro, the devs know the issues with the Asa and ase far better than you. Guaranteed. To them you are just one more person complaining, but you don't actually have a conception of what it would take to "fix" your issues.

[mystic wharf]

Its easy i think, some devs just seem lazy or dont care

Ark is the worst game i played

When comparing all the others

[untold ingot]

Yeah, of course they would seem that way to you. You aren't a dev, you have probably never shipped software

[mystic wharf]

I already played

[mystic wharf]

Its not about that its about that ark is the worst game i played compared to all the other games i played

[untold ingot]

Then why are you still here?

[mystic wharf]

Because i like ark

[untold ingot]

You just said its the worst game you ever played. In a channel about a game that hasn't released.

[blissful perch]

IMO it’s only really weird to complain about stuff that is impossible to confirm and makes no sense whatsoever to discuss at the stage where we have no gameplay to look at. Stuff like graphics and models. If the complaints were about something like Aratai, taming methods, component crafting, etc I feel like at least a game design conversation could happen

[untold ingot]

Yeah at least those discussions have something worth exploring

[mystic wharf]

I think you didn't understood what I was talking about , actually I was complaining about ark ascended not ark 2

[untold ingot]

This is a channel for Ark2. If you have complaints about Asa, you should be in #bobs-with-probs or general

[mystic wharf]

I was just answering to numb apex about the fact that he finds the ark ascended expérience less enjoyable than other games though I didn't began to speak about ark ascended directly out of nowhere but i guess that you like ark so much that you dont like peoples to talk about that kind of stuff right ?

[blissful perch]

Again the issue I’m taking here is not that

The issue is that you’re making extremely odd assertions about stuff nobody can possibly confirm at this stage

[untold ingot]

This is an Ark2 channel. Designed to talk about Ark2. It's not an Asa complain zone.

[ebon pulsar]

I wish ark 2 really solve the ass performance that both asa and asv have it we need smooth clean game for all platforms

[wind swift]

You really think these devs will produce a smooth perfectly memory optimized game 😂
They are incapable of it, going by their track record

[blissful perch]

I wish that too. Tho I also don’t know how likely it will come to pass 😔

[ebon pulsar]

Ngl ye they trash but i wish they do that

[ebon pulsar]

Fr ☹️

[blissful perch]

maybe if we steal a full AI datacenter we can run ark 2 as high as 30fps

[ebon pulsar]

What do you mean

[blissful perch]

i mean you need a whole AI datacenter worth of computing to run ark

[potent shore]

i just want some cool ass dinosaurs man

[ebon pulsar]

I guess we will get only dinosaurs ass

[grizzled vector]

There will be no dinosaurs in ark 2 just a bunch of vin diesels

[blissful perch]

That IS a dinosaur if you think about

[winged dome]

I have a feeling Ark2 is going to have a stronger focus on alien/fantasy fauna than Ark1. We're landing on a whole new planet with its own ecosystem. Expect more creatures like the Saladmander

[blissful perch]

That’s sort of my hope. A mix of dinosaurs and well-made speculative biology exercises

[hearty thistle]

i wish they add more ankylosaurids

[potent shore]

Maybe furry dinosaurs?

[keen cipher]

,

[obsidian plume]

Will ark 2 be able to play on the new xbox

[tranquil lichen]

will my ps4 run ark two?

i urgently need a responce

[long sparrow]

no, last we heard it won't be on playstation at all either. we don't know if thats still gonna happen tho 🤷

[tranquil lichen]

k thx

[solemn trout]

So it launches on XBOX Series S/X and steam… more platforms aren’t confirmed, but all they want is money so they will probably bring a PlayStation Port and maybe even a switch 2 port. But if they port it to PlayStation, it won’t run on PS4, UE5 is way too demanding for this console if even on PS5 and PS5 Pro Are issues with the performance. Hopefully UE5.7 will solve some of these problems, but a PS4 Port is very unrealistic

You think if UE6 is launched before Ark 2 they will bring a remake-remake?

[signal marsh]

Ark 2 will never be released

[real topaz]

So we're going from Ark Survival Evolved -> Ark Survival Descended -> Ark Two Never Release?

[mellow valve]

from gonna release in 2024 to delayed to 2025 to rip 2026

[mint swan]

I bought the new xbox because my bro said Ark 2 is definitely gonna release this year about 3 years ago 😂

Can't even remember when the last bit of news about it was, like a year or maybe even two ago? Seems like its not gonna come.

[oblique horizon]

most recent news was 2 months ago #ark-2 message

[prisma oyster]

Well this game is scrap worst programming ever

[winged dome]

Its not even out yet

[wild condor]

Ark 2 out yet ?

[hearty osprey]

no

[versed cosmos]

Hopefully ark 2 has movement like arc raiders

[untold ingot]

What does that mean

[old heron]

he is hoping its a better game like Arc Raiders rather like Anthem lol

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[violet pulsar]

ini pvp?

[mint swan]

What did they say? Did they mention anything to do with a release or expectations?

[winged dome]

It ... literally says in the title of the post

[proven aurora]

When ark 2

[hearty osprey]

Minimum 2028

[vernal jasper]

Ah 😭

[mint swan]

Sorry didnt see you had linked it, I barely use discord. But yea 2028 is jokes 😂 I give up 😆

[covert fox]

Will Ark-2 have Manganese ?

[outer zinc]

It's a souls like... in what world is Arc Raiders souls like.... lmao Movement is super imporrtnant in souls like and without this you're not gonna be called a souls like so it wont even come close to arc raiders

[versed cosmos]

👍

[shell nimbus]

Used the phrase "Souls like" five times in one sentence 😭🙏

[tulip hill]

😐

[outer zinc]

Whatever

[mint swan]

It was used 3 times not 5, if youre going to come at someone for using the same term 3 times you better be damn sure you can count to 3 and if you can I can't imagine being so lazy you cant count to 3 so you just estimate it as 5. Youve been watching too many tiktok reels brother.

[untold ingot]

4 times technically

Imagine going after someone who went after someone, and still being wrong 🤣

[tame geode]

I think that interaction just about sums up this whole channel.

[shell nimbus]

You get me❤️‍🩹

Somebody give Raq vip

[blissful perch]

I’m so sad to agree with you. I just wish we had something new to sink our teeth into like we used to get

[acoustic bridge]

Unfortunately that’s how it works, no content, no brains.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[fading atlas]

Ark3 when?

[real topaz]

Ark Survival Descended (Brand new code built from the ground up)

[timid grotto]

Wym descended, are you talking about ASE or what?

[mint swan]

I miscounted, ill take that. Can you take that youre a needless douchebag to people for no reason at all though?

[untold ingot]

You called someone lazy for miscounting. You started it 🤨

[mint swan]

I didnt even realise you weren't that person, I need to stop arguing with people on the Internet 😂

[winged dome]

Yikes moment

[latent grail]

yo

[wind badger]

yo

[shell nimbus]

yo

[serene widget]

yo

[strange dome]

Ark 2 is a myth

[median dune]

is this the race between Ark 2 and GTA 6?

[winged dome]

There's no race. The games are not remotely similar. Stop comparing them.

[hearty osprey]

no

only people here are even comparing the 2

[radiant furnace]

If ark 2 does that mean no more new official map

For ark ascended

[hearty osprey]

no

they said they don't want to end ASA like they did with ASE

[winged dome]

Might be the end of canon story maps, but unofficial maps becoming official will likely still happen

[hearty osprey]

yeah, dragontopia is WC making a non cannon map, more can come, if not more people like Nek can be brought in to make new maps

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[tiny glade]

Your a myth

[tame geode]

Dragontopia... how inspired.

[hearty osprey]

is atlantis any better of a name?
if it has cool tames a beutifull that what i'm looking for

[tame geode]

No Atlantis isn't better.

[fleet crest]

there already is ark two!

Ascended bruh!\

Wth..

[untold ingot]

They can't exactly call it dinotopia now can they?

[tame geode]

Maybe we'll get Snailtopia for ASE while we're at it.

[tame geode]

I mean Ark 2! I swear! Gotta keep it on topic...

[half nova]

ts coming after gta 7

[astral gyro]

i forgot ts was a thing

[iron pasture]

Will never be

[hollow basin]

👴🏻 me when Ark 2 comes out

2028 release lmao

[mystic wharf]

Be careful of annoying hard fanatics they gonna come at you lol i expérience that a lot of times when i say the same thing as you but i dont care about them i still say it , by the way What Do you find boring in the game ?

[untold ingot]

You don't say the same things. You ask if th graphics will be the same between 10 and 1000 times.

[hearty osprey]

u don't have the same issue

[mystic wharf]

Dont play dude , i didn't spoke about graphics since days ,yesterday there was crismon and another hard fanatics complaining for something différent i said

[untold ingot]

No messages from you yesterday

[mystic wharf]

Its on the ark ascended page , but no annoying fanatics should stop someone from complaining , you find it bad , i rather find the ones who complain about that truth bad i have différent vision than you

[tribal chasm]

He wasn't entirely wrong with his now deleted message, summarized it was saying that he wants purpose/difficulty/better balance in Ark 2, as ASA has not been successful in that regard

[untold ingot]

Yeah. Valid complaints imo. Then again, Asa wasn't supposed to be a new experience

[mystic wharf]

if only i didn't said that to him he is not a brave one , i think he got scared , but i agree with him i want more difficulty in the 2 but with asa too the lack of challenge makes me less interested in the game

[untold ingot]

He posted that message in like every channel. It was technically spam. Maybe don't be so fast to judge people

[mystic wharf]

Why he deleted it then ? And everyone can judge ive been judged too yesterday

[untold ingot]

He probably didn't. A mod probably did. Tbh you get judged a lot because you are very judgemental

[oblique horizon]

message was complaints about ark mobile and requesting servers to be wiped. that is not relevant to ark2 discussion

[mystic wharf]

No its just hard fanatics that dont like the truth so they like to judge someone because they got annoyed by the truth that's called being evil

[untold ingot]

I get annoyed at you because you are repetitive and usually that's about all you bring to the conversation. Also, calling someone evil because they don't agree with you about a game is kinda stupid. Grow up

[mystic wharf]

No i call them evil because they are always being agressive when someone says a true thing about the game even if what i say is true its not about that , they just dont want hear bad stuff about the game that's why i called them evil , i dont care if they dont agree with me or not im not that kind of dude

[untold ingot]

You think you aren't.

[mystic wharf]

No.

[hearty osprey]

it was about mobile 🤣

[worldly garden]

Ark II

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[astral siren]

much rather have more content pushed into ASA vs actually getting a "ARK 2"

[modern pond]

The offset forced camera when building and shooting is horrible please don't put this in ARK 2!

[modern pond]

Infact remove it from asa.

[toxic pine]

hi

[outer zinc]

Didnt go aftr someone with purpose other then to lecture the dude what a souls like is. Arc Raiders movement dont fit dark souls jsut because it has rolls in it, and a very annoying pvp exploit that people like to aabuse cause people uise anim cancel all the time and embark dont do shit about it. 🤣 .

[keen coral]

Couldn't disagree more, asa shouldn't even exist and wouldn't if snail games hadn't syphoned off the profits away from ase

[feral moss]

Aye

[mystic wharf]

What are you even talking about ? He said he dont want ark 2 , not the opposite

[mystic wharf]

Dude you are exactly like me you hâte the camera system so much as i do

[mystic wharf]

I dont want to wait for ark 2 they need to change the caméra system its a joke @cunning talon

That's why i get some not good feeling about asa sometimes

Ark has a lot of issues that makes the game less enjoyable than it can be

[outer zinc]

ASA has a crap ton of issues, and probally will always have. Ark 2 isnt even ark 2 imho. Thats just a spinoff.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[blissful perch]

Not sure about that…I think a sandbox’s sequel sort of has to change the script a bit. That being said, Asa is already using a chunk of Ark 2’s proposed mechanics so it may not feel so different when Ark 2 finally arrives

[outer zinc]

Its not gonna be sandbopx thou

Its gonna be linear game

[blissful perch]

It’s been confirmed to be a sandbox game

Similar to genesis 2 it will have a more involved story than say, ase’s SE, but it will be in the context of a sandbox game

[outer zinc]

But how when the taming is progress based?

[blissful perch]

In ark right now it’s loosely progress based

[outer zinc]

It is only based on engram level if you want to saddle

With etxeption of some passive tames

[blissful perch]

You can’t tame a rex unless you level up (which in ark IS a form of progression). In theory it’s similar to limiting tames behind the skill tree missions or genesis style missions

I’d argue that’s not quite linear

Linear would be if for example you had to clear a certain mission for a Rex reward, and that’s the only way to get a Rex

Though I agree it’s a risk - it really boils down to implementation

[hearty osprey]

There's already tames that requires u to be set level or with items on a specific level

[worldly garden]

Try reading properly before responding might help you understand what he's talking about.

[blissful perch]

And some do require pretty substantial progression, like the tek saddle requirements for Astrocetus and delphis

[keen coral]

@mystic wharf and I said I disagree, what about that is hard to comprehend?

[mystic wharf]

Dont know why i read agree instead of disagree

[mystic wharf]

Ye you want ark 2 instead of ark ascended most peoples like the contrary personally if they improve ark ascended i have no problem staying to ascended if not i might be more interested in ark 2

[mystic wharf]

Most peoples do this already , me its not the same , for some reason i read agree instead of disagree

[mystic wharf]

Lot of peoples seems to prefer ascended over ark 2 , for me it dépends on personal stuff i want in the game

[worldly garden]

I want Ark 2 because I want a new Ark game, but i'm also very happy for them to do more ASA. Long Live Ark 🖖🏻

[peak yacht]

That's so valid

[untold ingot]

You haven't talked with many people tbh. On the pvp side people don't want Asa or ark 2 for the most part. On the pve side it's a bit more split, but loads would rather have ark 2. Asa is fine, but people are still mad about it.

The number of people who say they are bored with ark and that Asa just feels same old same old seem to grow exponentially.

[hybrid vault]

ark 2 isn't coming out until 2028 correct?

[hearty osprey]

yeah, 2028 minimum, so like 2030

[hybrid vault]

ty

[winged dome]

Show me the source on that one. I'll wait.

[outer zinc]

YOu'll see yourself 🤣

[winged dome]

I'll continue to wait for you to provide a source other than 'you made it up'

[outer zinc]

Not made up. It is known this one will have progression based taming

[winged dome]

I'm asking for your source of Ark2 being a linear game

[outer zinc]

I am telling you to google it. Posting al ink is useless anyway cause it will get deleted 😉

[winged dome]

So, you made it up.
Because the Steam Store page specifically says 'open world multiplayer sandbox'

[oblique horizon]

feel free to post the link and i’ll grab it from the logs

[worldly garden]

It's going to be an open-world game that is somewhat more story based than Ark 1. It won't be a linear game.

Please people stop googling things and taking the AI overviews.

[atomic tiger]

man i hope to god they are rethinking the souls like aspect

and 3rd person only

[outer zinc]

CP2077 is open world yet linear.

[worldly garden]

Unlikely. I mean they already admit it won't be everyone's cup of tea, but what's better, have Ark 1 for those that like that style of game, and have Ark 2 for a new crowd that like that style of game, or make Ark 2 similar to Ark 1 and just split the same playerbase over ASE, ASA, and ARK 2?

So many people think of Ark 2 from an Ark player perspective, when as a business they could very well be looking for a new playerbase for Ark 2. otherwise they'll never grow.

[outer zinc]

The fact is if you habe progression based taming it issnt as sandboxy as you think it.,

[winged dome]

Minecraft is technically a progression based sandbox, but that doesn't really change the fact that Minecraft is probably the most sandboxy game to ever sandbox

[outer zinc]

Minecraft is a pure sandbox, by making tames progression based means its based on story prog. Not level prog. Not material prog. Not survival prog.

[winged dome]

Mine Iron with a Wood Pickaxe.

Or hell, your hands

[outer zinc]

You ever played souls likes?

Cause then you know thats based on upgrade materials that are much rarer for every upgrade

[worldly garden]

you mean souls-like combat right?

[outer zinc]

Minecraft they are litterally everywhere

Souls like is souls like, not souls lite

[worldly garden]

souls-like combat though

[outer zinc]

Dont make it a souls like that makes it a souls lite

[winged dome]

I'm getting lost in this spaghetti logic train lol

[split dove]

there was logic on that train?

[outer zinc]

Go play Surge 2, then HZD. You will learn difference between souls like and souls lite.

[winged dome]

So ...
What difference does Souls-Like vs Souls-LITE mean in a game being sandbox or having linear progression?

[tribal chasm]

I'm all for more character mobility options, but seems too ambituous to try having dinosaur parrying and stuff especially given how laggy multiplayer is

[worldly garden]

Wildcard themselves have clearly stated souls-like combat specifically. If anyone reads more into that, then you are simply reading more into it and therefore not based on fact.

[winged dome]

To me, they are totally unrelated.
So chef please, help me understand this spaghetti

[worldly garden]

I doubt dinos will be parrying anything

[winged dome]

That I totally get. Souls-Like combat is very easy to understand. Lockons, dodges, timed animations, ect

[worldly garden]

don't forget the souls lite though....

[winged dome]

How it links to progression is where I'm getting lost in the parmesan

... 'cuz it don't

[worldly garden]

I also am not sure if they have actually specifically stated progression-based taming. I'm not sure they've gone into detail about how taming will be different.

[winged dome]

I don't believe they have either, but our spaghetti chef seems to think so

[worldly garden]

More Google AI Summaries

[winged dome]

AI spaghetti recipes lol

[oblique horizon]

the parrying stuff will most likely only apply to pvp and fighting the npcs. would be funny to parry a rex though

[outer zinc]

You guys enjoy your spinoff ;0 I will wait patiently a year after it get released

[winged dome]

Spinoff? Man's playing Atlas now lol

[outer zinc]

Never got into atlas

[winged dome]

Sorry - Ark Park

[worldly garden]

A spinoff? Strange, there I was thinking it was a sequel all this time.

[outer zinc]

ASA is Ark 2 at this point

[winged dome]

But it's not though. Remaster =/= sequel

[outer zinc]

Your definition of remaster

To me remaster is just a upscaled version of a game.

[blissful perch]

They did say that they were toying with progression “points” from story missions that would unlock things, potentially tames…not sure if that’s what Silvertail is referring to

[worldly garden]

a remaster can simply be upscale, but it often means new content as well. In fact i'd find a simple upscale much more boring for any game if everything about it is exactly the same.

[outer zinc]

Yup.

[blissful perch]

However that statement was pretty vague. It could be super linear or it could be akin to genesis missions where you can do any number of a large number of potential missions to unlock these points

[worldly garden]

yeah, still can't take that as progression-based taming though, they've not told us enough to know the exact mechanics.

[outer zinc]

If its more then jsut an upscale its starting to become a remake.

[winged dome]

I'd take that over swiping my credit card for tames like they do in ASA

[blissful perch]

I agree. The details of implementation are critical as to how linear that makes taming

Note that one could argue Astrocetus taming in ark right now is linear since you need to beat bosses to unlock the saddles (for example)

[worldly garden]

a remake is usually a complete rebuild.... which ASA was definitely not.

[outer zinc]

But only seelct few bosses are required for select few tames. Look at all the tames you c an get w/o need of boss fights

[blissful perch]

Yea I think it’s a different but valid question to ask “is this good or healthy as a choice”. IMO it’s healthy within certain limits

[blissful perch]

Agree, though I think we can both agree nothing so far indicates otherwise for Ark 2

[outer zinc]

And what stops them from implementing something like fantastic tames to ark 2 anyway :p

[blissful perch]

Also yes sadly I don’t see any reason wc will stop with the paid tames and mods

[winged dome]

Y'know, I'm no Discord Accountant™, but I bet they'd save a lot of money and resources on shutting down the Official Network ...

[worldly garden]

nothing stopping them doing that, but the one thing I do wonder is whether it would be needed. Fantastic Tames are in ASA to raise more funds, because the only paid content outside of that are the BTTs as all maps are free. Ark 2 nothing would be free because people would have to buy the game.

[blissful perch]

I’m also curious how that’ll play into things

[outer zinc]

Lost Colony, Astreos, All premium content on CF? :p

[blissful perch]

However, it IS a money stream for Asa, so I suspect at minimum it’ll be thrown out to see if people bite for Ark 2 - it in theory could be “free money”

Though even now it seems fantastic tames are functionally slowing as they get bundled in with other paid content (see LC)

[worldly garden]

Lost Colony was brand new content, which is what Ark 2 would be. They did BTT because without BTT there would be no revenue because everything for 2 years was free DLCs. Without BTT there wouldn't have been that revenue for 2 years. Fantastic Tames helps push that revenue a bit more. ARK 2 wouldn't have the free DLCs, so paid dinos might not be needed.

[blissful perch]

The hope is that it’s all bundled into content drops similar to what ase did. However it’s hard not to be concerned about a repeat if WC so chose

[outer zinc]

Yeah, Originally ASA was... to be only availabe if you purchased Ark 2

[blissful perch]

Credit where due, that was pitched but never actually possible to buy

[winged dome]

ASE expansion tames weren't locked behind a paywall - if you got ahold of a cryopod with one then you could use the creature.

Fantastic and LC tames actually prevent you from mounting, and pretty sure un-cryoing if you don't own the expansion(s)

[outer zinc]

What? ASE tames wernt locked behind paypal cause they got released on free maps afterawards

[blissful perch]

The dlc tames structure in general is not good in Asa. A repeat in ark 2 would be a step backwards

[outer zinc]

And if you had to have the maps installed tooo

[winged dome]

Yes, that's what I said.

[outer zinc]

And what I am saying is untill those dinos came to free maps, they would be b ehind paywall

[worldly garden]

no

not like on ASA

[blissful perch]

Yea not true in ase. In ase you could use them if you could acquire them on a multiplayer server

[worldly garden]

you could ride and use DLC dinos without owning the DLC

[winged dome]

You could still spawn them in/trade with other players to get them. Nothing actually preventing you from riding/using the creature unlike in ASA

[blissful perch]

You could own them too - ex if someone gave you an egg or unclaimed a tame. At least that’s my recollection

[worldly garden]

I expect that to be the same with Ark 2

[outer zinc]

Yes, but who spawns in dinos on singlelpayer for example

Cause then you open yourself for a lawsuit if they are from DLC

[worldly garden]

🤣

[outer zinc]

Go ask Capcom 😉

[worldly garden]

i'm sorry i'm too busy laughing at the lawsuit comment

[blissful perch]

Wait what

[worldly garden]

don't spawn in dinos in single player or face the lawsuit

[blissful perch]

You spawning a dlc tame in singleplayer doesn’t break the law

[worldly garden]

I think I might face a few life sentences for my actions in game.

[blissful perch]

RMT trades of any creature violate ark TOS, but even that’s not breaking the law

[worldly garden]

The real question is.... will Ark 2 be exactly like Ark 1 visually?....... 💀

[outer zinc]

No

It will be disaster if its anything like ASA and performance wise

[worldly garden]

I'll leave you guys with that question and come back later to the fallout

[winged dome]

Do you think they'll re-use models? Again? Yet again? For the 12th time?

[outer zinc]

100%

[blissful perch]

They will but they also won’t

[outer zinc]

Guess as long as they do the minimum such as terror bird run

Unlike Fromsoftware

[blissful perch]

I do admire that WC has earned the rank of AAA studio when it comes to comparisons

[outer zinc]

Just because they dont price theyr game as typical AAA games dont mean theyr not AAA. They been around long enough. They arnt A AA and surely not quadruple. Thats only one company apparantly. They have SG behind them. They invest to much in vin diesel 😛

[blissful perch]

I’d argue their staff capacity alone isn’t AAA

[outer zinc]

Staff dont make a game AAA. Investment and production cost does

[blissful perch]

Well investments went into electric cars so idk how you square that one

[winged dome]

Ok, genuine curious question:
What makes a AAA game/studio a AAA game/studio?

[umbral nova]

Keep ark 2 the same as asa just new maps and tames and items

[blissful perch]

I always treated it as a function of company size/capacity more than anything else

[outer zinc]

Thats a comon mistake that alot of people do

How small is Snailgames in total? 😛

[umbral nova]

Bruh if the change it and make it some atlas bulshit im out

[blissful perch]

They’re making a new game with largely improved mechanics is the TLDR

Which makes sense because the ark 1 mechanics and systems of 2015 are old

[umbral nova]

But it should be kept fist and 3d person

[winged dome]

The funny thing is ... Atlas is probably more similar to ASE than ASA is now 😂

[blissful perch]

To accommodate the advanced combat style, first person simply doesn’t make much sense from a play perspective

It’s extremely difficult to judge your hitbox and general behavior when in true first person when you are asked to dodge and parry

[umbral nova]

That the hole fun of ark tho running away from stuff in first person being immersed in the game and its wild

[outer zinc]

Having done that 100s of times, personally, I just rush towards mid game

[winged dome]

Early-game Ark is the best part of Ark. Every little victory and tame feels so much more meaningful over taming your 12th Rex for the day

[runic tiger]

If they do make ark 2..have character, tames, home bases, and progress tied to a players identities.... stuff that can never be overwritten or lost. A
If a player dies = they just lose kit
If a tame dies = it respawns just over time / it's locked to the player.

If I tamed a 50pt something or other.. stop playing for a few months and return. That dino is still in a digital storage. I can just throw out and start from where I left off. Trying to gather better up-to-date dinos. If I join a tribe and get eggies and babies I've invested days. Those go whoever I go to.

If I own a top stated dino in my storage and go to another tribe. I can throw it our and allow tribe breeding with options for babies to spawn neutered...or not.. etc

A player should be able to have a home base they customize and personal, that gets stored digital per player identity. This base isn't stored on any server at 0 pop all the time. It's a base generated as the player logins in that is connected via dynamic meshing.
Players should be able to visit each other's personal hubs, when player is logged in. Either by invite and public discoverable/joinable.
If a player progress in a 1x enviroment, or 3x, enviroment. Mega tribe or smalls. Players progress should be carry-able. Nothing can be transfered from cluster type to cluster type..but players don't have to restart their lives just to try a different branch of the game and mix it up. Essentially no progress ever gets reverted, and you never have to start again from nothing..maybe start from less...but not nothing after a break..shouldn't have to 'live' in a game just to keep up with it

HONESTLY. If ark 2 do become a thing. Make it glorious.

[winged dome]

There'd be no point in raiding if progress and tames were account bound. People would progress as quick as possible, hit cap and ... then what? No point in fighting since nobody would really lose/gain anything from a raid, everything would be based around PvE and resource locations

[blissful perch]

I think this is being tested with the tek bunkers tbh

[blissful perch]

To be fair though, 24/7 raid PvP is insufferable for a lot of people because you need round the clock protection. A lot more people would engage with ark if it was pvpve and you could build up safely in a PvE setting. However, PvP appears to be a certainty in Ark 2 so who knows

[tribal chasm]

A wipe every 6 months might be healthier for everyone...I have seen people who just don't let go for literal years, waking up multiple times per night to defend their base (small tribes) it's very bad

[hearty osprey]

ark's is exploiting those people, from the foundational game design philosophy it's making the game a drug to that kind of people

[blissful perch]

It’s just dangerous game design. I really don’t think it’s healthy, and tbh it’s not even the most appealing to a broad audience. However I’m also aware that whoever cracks the survival pvp code is gonna rake in a huge win

[untold ingot]

It would need a bit more thought than just timed pvpve. Ark did try some strategies like that in the start (on mobile) and they werent super successful. Its hard to say if thats just because it was mobile tho.

[outer zinc]

The same accounts for breeding and imprinting. I dont think a wipe would help. I think that only makes it worse :p

[blissful perch]

It would in some ways (less “build up” to lose) and wouldn’t in others

[outer zinc]

Honestly if I work so hard for something I am not keen on getting wiped. I like to reflect back. Come back later to see how it aged to current stuff I am doing.

[blissful perch]

I think that’s fine in 1) singleplayer 2) unofficials and 3) situations with instanced bases…but ark right now isn’t like that. Your memories take up space on official pve servers and on pvp it’ll get wiped via raids anyway if you’re offline - the benefit for wipes in that format is to give more “starting” chances instead of tasking people to keep up with alphas from day one

[blissful perch]

Sorry, forgot to mention PvE needs it less because of the decay timer

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[mystic wharf]

But Ark ascended is a janky uncomplete game that looks like he is in beginning of developement although he is not

[blissful perch]

Janky yes, not sure what you mean by “incomplete”. It’s got everything in ase up through extinction, but there’s no clear gap in content beyond the genesis dlcs

[worldly garden]

They've got until June to get back to $1, they did it last year, no reason they can't again. There's no RIP ASA coming.

[outer zinc]

If they release gen1 in q2 in a poor state then I dont know

[blissful perch]

I’m curious and somewhat ignorant about what would happen if snail goes under. Doesn’t WC just get sold off in that case? Or does Asa have to be formally shut down

[outer zinc]

That is up to SG what to do if they own the IP they decide it. At least for about... 75 years?

[harsh spear]

in a world where u can buy IPs, AI will buy all IPs and you will own no rights on anything. AI will own you.

[blissful perch]

You sure they have to buy them? Is this because there’s suspicion about Ai generated dinos in ark 2

[indigo python]

so they say ark 2 is going to be more like a bloodbourne type game is that true?

[hearty osprey]

it is what they say

[bold prawn]

Wait…. Isn’t Ascended Ark 2 👀

[hearty osprey]

and nothing more

no

[indigo python]

nah ark 2 to me is a whole different game, the one with vin diesel and sht

suppose to be more story like

[bold prawn]

Yeah…. And unicorns exist…

[hearty osprey]

in ark they do

[indigo python]

@hearty osprey got em

[bold prawn]

I’ll believe in Ark 2 when I see it. Pretty convinced ascended came out cuz they just couldn’t with Ark 2… but here’s to hoping 🥂
(Four years and waiting)

[indigo python]

and apparently gotta wait a minimum 2 more 🙂

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[blissful perch]

@indigo python there ya go

[wild jungle]

Jeff bezos style

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth my guy

[fierce stag]

pay colonies

[untold ingot]

No it isn't.

[upper hound]

oo no this is just the beta wait till they actually release the finished game😭

[rancid galleon]

Always something when a server opens..

[pure lotus]

.

[twilit pelican]

whenis it gonna get released tho

[fierce stag]

Just after gta7

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[quartz cypress]

And the trailer was in 2023

[lilac wasp]

Hi

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[tepid granite]

Yh

[timber birch]

hi

[forest imp]

whens the next dlc coming out?

[hearty osprey]

Q2 2026

[outer bison]

Ark 2 would have so many bugs... would be unplayable for years after the relase.. and probably will be so badly optimized that you will need NASA technology to play it right...

[hearty osprey]

So the same as ASE and ASA.

Both released with "bugs that make it unplayable for years" and "needing NASA pc", and yeah we all still here.

[outer bison]

Asa was a rework... i mean its not the same challenge and problems... ark2 its another thing... and i really dont see much sense in developing it wither lol, if they spent some time optimizing ASA instead of developing new thing...

[untold ingot]

Asa is very optimized. With decentish hardware any 30 series+ card it can run 90fps on okay ish settings.

[blissful perch]

(My 2060 however is in shambles, but this is not surprising)

[rich shell]

They only ported the game onto ue5 and changed minor details

[rich shell]

Yes you are right if the 30s+ gpus in question are 3090 ti , 4090 and 5090

[hearty osprey]

A 4070 can do it, u don't need the 90 ones, 60 ones can at like 60

[strange dome]

Ark 2 is a myth

[untold ingot]

I get it on a 3060

[rich shell]

30 fps

[mint swan]

Yall when is ark 2 actually gonna be out cus like

[untold ingot]

2028 earliest

[proven aurora]

When ark 2

[mint swan]

Bruh

[bold prawn]

That’s what I said lol

[woeful hornet]

its never coming out it aint even real

[icy agate]

2028 ark 2 will be released depending on development and testing because it got delayed last time

[mystic wharf]

This game is so bad i can't even download the dlc Lost colony that's insane, there is always problems with this game

[oblique horizon]

this is the ark 2 channel, this game is not released yet

[mystic wharf]

Ye i know i was mostly talking about ark ascended but sure ark 2 gonna be the same

[azure wave]

Wildcard made the same title twice, both in early access, both in a very broken state... Surely they can't screw it up a 3rd time... Right?

[marsh moon]

Mmh...

[silent fjord]

Is there an actual release date? They seem to be doing EVERYTHING on ASE and NOTHING on ARK 2

[winged dome]

Because ASA is the focus.
Ark2 has a projected release of 2028 at the earliest

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[untold ingot]

If they had a release date they would need to rush it out. By not giving a release date it gives them more time to make it good.

At least thts what we convince ourselves of

[feral drum]

lets not fool ourselves. if u make a game preview at an event years ago that means u created a barebones but decided u could make more profit later. until ark survival ascended isnt profitable they wont be doing ark 2. so plan it to match the last dlc for ascended

lets go with 2029 bare minimum even though they said tentative 2028

also "Fundamental Design Shifts: ARK 2 is moving away from the original's formula to a third-person, Soulslike combat system with intense, melee-focused gameplay, which is difficult to implement in a PvP environment."

so its not ark at all. its like a final fantasy ripoff with dino theme

[untold ingot]

It's honestly to early to judge thst.

[long sparrow]

final fantasy has souls like combat?

and using final fantasy as the example of design shifts is wild 😂

[blissful perch]

I don’t recall seeing that, but I do recall seeing that first person soulslike combat is hard to implement for PvP especially…is that in one of the posts? My B if so

[feral drum]

guess i cant link ark content in ark

so anyways dualshockers was given this info and quoted wildcard

"Ark 2 has quite a few "must-haves" that the studio won't let it ship without. Among them is the soulslike combat system, something that the studio says is "very difficult" to include alongside player-vs-player considerations. "You could probably count the number of games on one hand that have even attempted that in an actual PvP context.""

"While development so far has been mere 'nibbles' instead of a full feast, Studio wildcard does know roughly how long it would take to bring the game to market, assuming they went all-hands-on-deck to get it out the door. It would take "18 months of hardcore team focus to [turn] that vertical slice into an early access game.""

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[wispy holly]

Never will release lol

[blissful perch]

I appreciate the quote - though as I’m reading it I think they mean they know this will take a long time to make because it’s so rare and hard to pull off in PvP

Asa I see is trying some of these tactics in advance of Ark 2 already with the tek spear

[frozen stratus]

should be called ark 4 cuz there is ark survival evo and ark survival of the fittest And theres ark asceneded so it should be called ark 4

[worldly garden]

That completely depends on what you consider makes ARK... ARK. Yes ASE/ASA is Ark, but at what point in changes would you consider it not Ark anymore? I'm not sure why so many people just want Ark 2 to be so close to ASE. We've already got ASE/ASA just play that instead.

[kindred osprey]

Theres also pix ark, ark park and the dino discovery thing so by this logic it should be ark 7

You know what technically each map is a whole new ark so if we count those (canon; the island ×2, scorched ×2, aberration ×2, extinction ×2, genesis 1 and 2, and lost colony) were already on ark 17!

But then we get to the debate of if the other officially released maps count which if they do brings us up to 27 or 28 (depending on if youre counting aquatica or not)

But does that argument matter when technically genesis and ark 2 dont take place on actual arks!

Oh and extinction and lost colony too

[hearty osprey]

So ark 22?

[kindred osprey]

Maybe... or should someone do the calculations on how many arks are in orbit around earth and go from there?

[wise ore]

i heard ark 2 is getting released before pc game pass update this true?

[worldly garden]

There's no word about Ark 2 release besides 2028 at the earliest.

[hearty osprey]

ASE
(Island+SOTF+Center+Scorched+Ragnarok+Aberration+Valguero+Crystal+Lost+TSOTF) = 10
The switch kid thing +1
ASA
(Island+SOTF+Center+Scorched+Ragnarok+Aberration+Valguero) = 7

Coming to ASA, another SOTF, Crystal, Lost

So we on ark 21, so ark 2 is ark 22

If u count Fjordur and astra as arks, ark 2 becomes ark 25

If we assume dragontopia and Atlantis to be the same, ark 2 becomes ark 27

If by god forsaken reason we include Shitquatica, we get ark 2 = ark 28

And it all comes back to the 2028 date from WC, they big braining timing

[empty prawn]

before GTA6 😉

[haughty valley]

What if Ark 2 is all maps put together for one giant map

[winged dome]

This channel is for Ark2

[oblique horizon]

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[rotund ferry]

Ark

[wanton mesa]

Ark 2 is never coming

[rotund ferry]

A

[raven tiger]

Ark 2 now with 50% more down servers

[bronze axle]

algum br duo ark 2?

[wise drum]

idk

[stark skiff]

What servers ark 2 doesnt even exist and it will never exist

[low token]

Bro

[stark skiff]

You mean ark 3 sotf is a mode

[kindred osprey]

Omg it all makes sense now!

[kindred osprey]

Wait holy! I bet theyre gonna reveal it was ark 28 weve been waiting for this entire time and they just cropped the 8 out of everything so far to not spoil that wed be getting it after the 27th officially released ark

We cracked it! Thats why its not coming out any sooner!

[peak pivot]

ASA It's a good game

[lethal jay]

I cant see Ark2 making it when the current game is so broke

Shame

[worldly garden]

Current game is often broke only on official servers majority of the time, so don't have official servers on Ark 2 90% of issues go away.

[jade nimbus]

I hope they add a proper way to play the game with friends, maybe with P2P connection

[hearty osprey]

Host your own dedicated server, it's free

[tight ridge]

Please dont even think about dropping ark 2 if you cant run ASA efficiently.

[spring sleet]

third person only not the move they should be going with

[blissful perch]

Honest question, because I’ve read this exact comment so many times from so many people. Would you prefer Asa release no content whatsoever and focus exclusively on polish for a year?

Also curious if this means that a game needs to be perfectly polished before a sequel should be released

[restive sorrel]

Polish for one year gives enough time for people to catch up with top stat Dino's and get resources

[tight ridge]

If they were to drop ark 2, it wouldnt matter what content they release for asa. Asa would become a thing of the past for them, just like ase.

[blissful perch]

I guess I’m a little skeptical of that comparison, since Asa launched after ase had its official servers shut down (which we heard wc wouldn’t shut down Asa servers when launching Ark 2)

[novel hull]

what is ark 2?

[novel hull]

I don't think ASE will die if ark 2 drop. ASA probably would. ase is 8 years old and still have almost same player base as ASA

[untold ingot]

The whole point of Asa is to have a version of ark that people who didn't want Ark2 can still play. Things feel up in the air, but the most likely scenario is that Asa stays supported and relatively active for at least another 5 years

8ts hard to say whether Asa or ase would suffer more in playercount. Because it all depends on how many ase players are there because they couldn't run Asa vs wouldn't run it.

It's really not something you can get an unbiased survey of

[winged dome]

ASE's botched released of Aquatica didn't do it any favors lol

[untold ingot]

Yah, but weirdly enough it didn't kill playercount. Everyone just switched to preaquatica

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth
Can’t even get This game to work right

[vocal night]

Can you program a game better?

[tiny glade]

I’m sure I could

[winged dome]

Mod stability > adding content to a dying game no one asked for lol

[vast lagoon]

why even make ark 1.5? just stick with ase until 2

[idle hemlock]

He can release Ark 2, I'm not going to buy it.
If it's just to use them as testers.👎 👎 👎 🇫🇷

[untold ingot]

Could be.

[slate crypt]

Sounds like a money grab 🤣 we play this game for the official servers 🤣 you want a single person game your job and so many other jobs go with it.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[steady blade]

because the code with unreal engine 5 is way more different than ASE used

[fickle sigil]

Money grab that is all.

[fading horizon]

Try to finish correctly the ark1/1,5 before ark2

[vagrant vessel]

ive been thinking that ark 2 is the new half life 3 where people say it will come out but it never will

[lapis siren]

Just hope ark 2 don’t need to buy so many dlc

[rocky sigil]

I thought ark 2 was suppose to.c9me out along time ago and was suppose to replace ase

But people got mad

Essentially Asa being ark 2

[mystic wharf]

Is ark 2 gonna have a caméra that is the same type as ark ascended meaning the camera is locked into the body of the character or detached? Like for example dark soul ?@cunning talon
Tbh i dont like that caméra of asa so if ark 2 gonna have the same i have no interest to quit asa

[blissful perch]

(That was always allowed)

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 is a big myth

They dont even care about ark 2 tbh im very sure

[sacred robin]

I don't think its a myth, but I do think it will take some time. These people have made one of the best games out there. You cant do most of anything you do in ark in other games. So I will wait years. If that means it will be an AMAZING game. Do ya know what I mean

[bronze garnet]

only if consoles ran better it would indeed be the greatest game ever this is the only game i was so addicted to

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[broken otter]

The parent company (snail games) was running out of money to create ARK 2, so ASA is used to fund ARK 2. This is the only way to have enough funds in order to pay for the making of ARK 2.

[warm sun]

aint that why they made the failed attempt of pixark because they ran out of money for ark xD

[untold ingot]

No. Ark never ran out of money

[frank tendon]

I'm pretty sure they did, after the lawsuit.

[untold ingot]

Tht was before snail bought them. Was before scorched earth too

[raw crypt]

Ark 2 was announced 6 years ago.

Santiago, we leave it in your hands to set the tone for 2028...

[proven jasper]

Release ATLAS Ascended

[worldly garden]

Closer to 5 years than 6.

[stone oak]

When’s the release date folks

[tame geode]

Oh, you know... Soon.

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[stone oak]

Can’t wait

[elder heron]

help me my ark frizz on server page

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[noble zinc]

For a DLC is always like 6+ months more than the release date so for a game we can expected few years easily

[untold ingot]

It's usually 3 months between dlc

In asa

[pure igloo]

WHEN DOES ARK 2 DROP?

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[fiery sparrow]

Same energy as asking when you can invest in IndieEV

[proven aurora]

When I get a gf so never

[pure igloo]

xD

[wispy charm]

Ark 2 is coming out after gta 6 xd

[spring rapids]

Ark 2 come after 1-2 year and official serversASA they close after 3-4 years. That why they rush with all maps 😂

[rustic sigil]

it would be so silly for them to close official in 3-4 years when they have a 2 year road map for asa plus if ark 2 is souls like combat they might loose most of the chill older player base it would be wise if they kept official going for at least 5-8 more years and allow it to be mod ran so they could focus on ark2

[spring rapids]

This is the life 🫤
Everyone try same things feeling more money 🤑.
We paid double money for this game (ASE & ASA) and dame is not fixed. All the time problem.
So they close servers and problems sorted 😂
My self I stopped playing because game is not stable and I not enjoying playing. Not matter what someone have PC -game isn't stable 🫤

[slim brook]

I play this game perfectly fine on a Xbox, you're just finding excuses to run from your fate.

[spring rapids]

I believe Ur good on Xbox 😂

Enjoy your game 🙂😁

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[untold ingot]

You could have not bought it. You are in charge of your finances.

[restive sundial]

GTA 6 coming out before ark 2🫩

[hearty osprey]

correct

it's not even a competicion, never was

[spring rapids]

have ready lost 10k+ hours in ASA so do u think i want lost more my life? 😂
I not stop u to buy ARK2 and didnt say nothing about ARK2 (that game what ready have to be online)

"...charge of your finances" that mean i have money 😂 . Try to write something worse to annoy me 😂

||@untold ingot||

[untold ingot]

Not trying to annoy you. It seems you do that well enough yourself. If you quit ark and do something productive or worthwhile that would be good. Make sure the next 10k hours of your life aren't lost.

[spring rapids]

well i like ASA but i need a bit relax from this game and do something more interesting

[round burrow]

How the hell do you have 10k hrs on asa

It came out in 2023

[blissful perch]

Waiting around breeding be like

[spring rapids]

ohh sorry by my mistake. I was wrong. Have only 7k.

[sly swift]

vin disle

[winged dome]

'Peak rewarding gameplay loop'

[mental cape]

Ark 2? Never heard of it…. I guess it gets like that when everyone talks about it but nothing gets done 😏

[drowsy python]

Might as well just implement the ark 2 concepts into ark ascended

[winged dome]

Thats ... kind of what they're doing to some extent

[mystic wharf]

Just release ark 2

I really dont like ark ascended combat it looks like the combat was made by a 2 year old

And the game lacks fun

[hearty osprey]

still a long wait till that
give a souls like game a try if u bored of ark

[worldly garden]

I can't wait till Ark 2 comes out and see what complaints you make about it. 😂

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 gonna be more of my type of game im pretty sure , ark ascended lacks fun gameplay , some peoples likes ark ascended style , me its more oriented into ark 2 style

[worldly garden]

We have almost zero insight into Ark 2 gameplay, so not sure how anyone can think it would be more fun at this stage.

[mystic wharf]

I like games that have an actual combat mechanic and ark 2 lean towards that at least more than asa , asa doesn't Even have a combat mechanic lol its just a building game nothing more the combat is very boring....'

[mystic wharf]

Lot of peoples like building in games only , i like that too but i want ark to have some kind of combat also because that's my style of play , everyone has his own thing

[untold ingot]

You can play enshrouded or elden ring for that if you don't like asa

[tame geode]

I think the point is that your judging a non-existent game purely off your interpretation of the buzzwords that Wildcard used to describe the game. We have no idea of knowing what the gameplay will actually be like, until we see actual gameplay.

Terms like, "soul-like combat" can refer to any aspect of combat. Could just be a simple parry system. Could have dynamic robust damage detection with blend framed, or custom, animations for when a Rex bites you on the leg vs your arm. Who knows... Wildcard don't even seem to know yet.

I feel like it's hard to prefer something we know objectively nothing about. Although it may be easy to derive that conclusion if you have bias against ASA.

We also live in world where words can simultaneously mean nothing and anything at the same time depending on the emotional context of the moment.

[tribal chasm]

I am hoping Wildcard can 'return to monke' so to speak in Ark 2, something that feels more like Ark in the 2015-2018 era. I am still confused how they went from a relatively hardcore survival game, to what ASA is today...one of the most 'quality of life', power-exploded games I have ever seen.

[dire needle]

I agree with you the combat of ascended is so boring , i dont find ascended Amazing tbh

[mystic wharf]

What i would like them to changé the most is mostly the camera system giving more options to that a camera detached from the body for easier and more immersive exploration, and second will be dinos avoiding obstacles better will be good because seeing everytime dinos glitching and getting stuck on rocks not being a able to get out of rocks is so stupid , the combat is the very last thing i would maybe complain about but my 2 focus is on that

[worldly garden]

Having proper dino/ai pathing would be a huge win for Ark 2, something i hoped would have improved with ASA.

[untold ingot]

I mean. Their algorithm is much better. But really no game that isn't designed for pathfinding has good pathfinding.

To really have good pathfinding you need a good learning framework, like an deep q or something. But instead most pathfinding in games is closer to an A* on a heatmap it seems.

[elder igloo]

es falso

[mystic wharf]

That's exactly what i hoped for in ark ascended but strangely its not good lol , its supossed to bé a better version than ark evolved so it makes no sense

[mystic wharf]

Hmm i know a lot of games that have good stuff, ascended is the worst i seen though

[untold ingot]

Name one lol. I have yet to so any game that really does good Ai. But I probably have way higher standards than you do

[mystic wharf]

Ark has the worst Pathfinding dude its easy to notice how bad it is

[untold ingot]

Age of empires has better Ai, but the decision space for thst game is really simple

[mystic wharf]

Ye but at least better than ascended

Ascended Pathfinding looks like it is in the first stages of development

Its pathetic

I dont know how they call it a full and finished game although the Pathfinding is so bad

Im confused

I think they are lazy or dont care , which is sad

Because i like the ideas behind this game

[untold ingot]

It's not an equivalent problem. The decision space in ark is MUCH larger than in age of empires.

[untold ingot]

Well, you also don't know anything entailed in a good pathfinding algorithm

It's easy to be uneducated on something an think they are lazy. While they definitely not doing anything cutting edge with their Ai, it's not bad given their constraints and background

[mystic wharf]

If they really cared about it , they would have improved it since a long time but they definetly dont care

[untold ingot]

It has been improved.

[mystic wharf]

Lol their improvment is so tiny that it isnt even good enough

But whatever my main focus is giving more options to caméra view

They are so lazy that they almost never work on Pathfinding , its improved but not by a lot

Asa is far from being the Best game though

Even if i like the ideas behind it

[untold ingot]

It's enough that me as an ml guy can say they did significant revamps from ase to asa.

The problem they have is their maps aren't designed with pathfinding in mind. Games that do really good pathfinding usually bake it into their map design.

[mystic wharf]

Probably

But what i can say is that I played some games and the worst i seen is ascended, the Pathfinding were decent in the other games

[untold ingot]

Pathfinding in cod is atrocious.

[blissful perch]

Are you talking about pathfinding (the ability for a creature to plot a path from point A to point B without getting stuck) or ai (the decision making of a creature in what to do in a given moment or which path to take)

[mystic wharf]

Both

Mostly when a créature Agro you

And can't even move from her place lol because of rocks and such

[blissful perch]

Right, but that’s actually neither path finding or ai

That’s poor map/level design

The creature probably has the route to reach you (pathfinding) and is choosing to seek you out to attack you (ai), but is stuck because WC placed a ton of rocks which many creatures can’t climb over all over their maps

IMO the best way to see the better pathfinding is to use a smaller creature like a raptor which is less likely to get stuck in a pile of rocks and more likely to successfully path around them

[untold ingot]

I mean, some of the best minds in the world took years to figure out self driving cars. But you want ark to figure out those algorithms for general motion regardless of environment and obstacle? I mean it's technically possible in a controlled environment (Minecraft for example) where you can control certain parameters on the motion. But for general movement the normal search algorithms don't work well. And ark uses pretty advanced versions of those algorithms. That's likely more the cause of "bad" Ai. At most they could tune a few parameters, but without a dramatic refractor of their approach and hiring an actual ML/Ai expert, the actual Ai quality won't get much better. And good luck hiring someone with those qualifications to make a game 😂

The reason games use the algorithms they do (A*) etc. Is because they are simple, efficient and can be applied to anything. They aren't optimal, but getting optimality requires hiring someone who is really good at it. And most of those people are more interested in the real world.

[blissful perch]

I think on a more simple level, ark’s map and level design create a shitload of obstacles that behave inconsistently with creatures (the classic “if you’re oriented just right you can climb the rock while on a rex, but otherwise you’re stuck)

[untold ingot]

Yeah. In the real world that's an unsolved problem. We have methods to get around it, but you aren't going to get a high quality engineer that does that to do it in a game without some major spending. And not having the high quality of engineer means any change is at best horizontal and at worse it'll be worse.

[blissful perch]

I agree, though I also think it’s at least partially solvable with some mild tweaks to level design such that there are fewer “strange shaped” rocks etc that creatures can get readily stuck on

[untold ingot]

You can get approximations given appropriate constraints. But algorithms to get the optimal path (the solution) is an NP hard problem that might not be solvable at all at any scale of meaning.

You can get it to work in Minecraft because you can discretize both the step, direction, and range really cleanly. It makes it a lot simpler. But you can't do that for a general geometry

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[dire needle]

To be honest asa is Just like ark evolved i though they were going to remake the game from 0

It would have been better

Instead they just copy pasted ark evolved

And they just changed some things in it

What a shame !

[mystic wharf]

I kind of agree i would have liked that they make ascended like a new game instead of copy paste

Mostly because i wanted to have directional walking and running instead of a caméra attached to the body because the gameplay is very hard with that type of caméra

I get killed everytime because of this

One time when they were working on asa i seen directional walking and running but i dont even fucking know what they meant by that its not even directional moves what they did , if you have a caméra attached to the body you can't have directional walk
Please make an option to the camera mostly being able to have a caméra détached from the body because its like hell playing with that caméra in asa @cunning talon pvp shouldnt even exists with the camera you have in asa because its unplayable , so make options like lock on or unlock caméra type , that's the most annoying thing i hâte in asa

[blissful perch]

The camera is fine unless you’re on a climber…which then completely borks it in first person

[somber kayak]

Hi good morning

[untold ingot]

They rebuilt the engine. Asa was supposed to be ase in a new engine. It's different than Ark2.

[dire needle]

Im confused on why they call it like A New Game although it really feels the same as ark evolved

And a bit more beautiful

[untold ingot]

It's supposed feel like ase. If it does that means they did a good job. Their goal was to have ase on a new engine that they could keep working on alongside Ark2.

[blissful perch]

Raq summed it up, but I’ll also add that WC had reported ongoing challenges adding content to ase without breaking the game because of the state of the codebase. Despite Asa’s bugs, it’s designed for supporting content for a long time to come

[wind badger]

Ark 3 when

[blissful perch]

Gonna toss this here while I’m thinking about it - but it would be interesting in ark 2 to link Club Ark and SotF, where sotf matches provide some flavor of currency that can be spent in club Ark. could be a cool way to get people playing PvP without the continuous time commitment of current Ark PvP but with some flavor of long term progression

[hearty osprey]

maybe that's what they'll do with this 4th try of SOTF

both are modded server hosted in the official network, easily doable

if not, we always have SOTF number 5

[blissful perch]

Who knows, but it is shocking how difficult it’s been to get this gamemode in a sustainable shape

[hearty osprey]

Mostly cause they never leave people to work on it, cause most of the time, it just not worth it

The 5 people u can have managing this, would be better used just working on the main stuff like everyone else

[winged dome]

SO5TF

[hearty osprey]

From what I gathered, to be a ark game u need at least 2 trys of SOTF

Which means, in the millennium that ark2 releases, we will get to SOTF 6

[broken otter]

"
ARK: Survival Ascended
@survivetheark
We see your interest buuut...

the next time we talk about or share anything related to #ARK2, it will be gameplay (yay!)

figured you'd wanna see an old rock smashing buddy real quick tho😉
9:32 PM · Nov 7, 2022"

Bro this did not age well!!!

[storm agate]

me and my hb hosted non dedicated and when he invites me nun happens how do if ix this

[fast summit]

Does vin diesel even know he's apart of this

[heavy folio]

wth is ark 2

[winged dome]

The sequel

[silk vault]

what is ark 2?

[winged dome]

The sequel

[tulip nebula]

can I get an estimated time when ark 2 will come out?

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so likely 2030+

[violet cobalt]

Tommorow

[delicate vector]

This really was wind...

[spring canopy]

what is this about

is it even coming out ?

is it another gta 6?

[ruby frost]

Its not coming out not even 2028

I really stoped carinh

[plucky verge]

i didn't care from the beginning bc it's the opposite of what most of the ark player base wants

[dire needle]

Everyone has his own play style for example i really dont like some things in ark 1 and that makes me want to play ark 2 more than the one, if it has what i like and ark 1 doesn't i will only play ark 2 not ark 1 anymore

[mystic wharf]

You are like me , there is one or 2 things i dont like about ark 1

[ruby frost]

Yeah they said its gonna be soul game so idgaf

[untold ingot]

Honestly if you don't like ark1 the likelihood you like Ark2 is small tbh.

It's pretty much a guarantee that they reuse assets and code from Asa in Ark2.

[mystic wharf]

I like that sounds cool

[mystic wharf]

Nah they wont re use the same code for ark 2

[untold ingot]

Thats how this works. They reused code from atlas in Asa 😂

[mystic wharf]

To be honest i just want a new camera type for ark 2 that's all because i find it very hard to play with the one that is in asa and i play mostly in third person caméra so ark 2 will be more my style

[untold ingot]

So you have said. Like every day.

[mystic wharf]

So do you think its possible for ark 2 to have a différent type of caméra ?

Or it will be like asa ?

[untold ingot]

They already said there will be a new camera. Like 6 years ago

[mystic wharf]

Im all for that then.

But the wait dont make me interested about ark 2

[untold ingot]

You don't hve to be

[winged dome]

Are camera mechanics the new re-used models?

[delicate vector]

WW3 and GTA6 before ARK 2 ✌️😭🥀🥀

[coral urchin]

Well, i really hope for real world events, quests and much more to interact with in ark 2. Ark acended there is only boss fight, and different versions of osd. When boss is done, game is dead.. wait for next map and its the same again.

[worldly garden]

I strongly suspect the new camera will be in Legacy of Santiago. I mean they are making that prequel DLC as a standalone in ASA for a reason..... test out all the new features and mechanics for ARK 2 and give Ark players an opportunity to try it before ARK 2. I'm looking forward to it.

[untold ingot]

That's possible. Would be kinda wierd tho

[worldly garden]

Why would it be weird? Don't think it will be connected in any way to the rest of ASA.

[hearty osprey]

My bets it's a SP only thing and if it works on servers, the official server using it will be closed off.
Maybe only transferring the character Id like club ark or something like that

[worldly garden]

I doubt you'll be able to transfer anything. As they said it will be standalone, I suspect it will be single player, and possibly a closed off set of official servers.

[hearty osprey]

I maybe see skin being transferable, but the closed off and SP option seems more likely

[mystic wharf]

I would like that

[mystic wharf]

Really ? So legacy of Santiago has nothing to do with asa ?

[blissful perch]

It’s unclear what connection it has (as far as I can see)

[worldly garden]

It's described as a standalone DLC. That to me at least suggests unconnected to the rest. If they are using a lot of ARK 2 mechanics and so on in the DLC it makes sense that you wouldn't be able to bring any existing ASA stuff across. Otherwise why would it be described as a standalone DLC?

[blissful perch]

Did they also say that about the “dragon” themed one? Or did they use slightly different language?

[worldly garden]

They just said non-canonical expansion pack for the Dragontopia one

SOTF is also described as standalone

[mystic wharf]

What about models ? will it still be asa models like for example t rex , spino etc.....but with a différent style of gameplay or the models gonna be completely new ?

[worldly garden]

Let me ask my crystal ball...

[winged dome]

Eyyyy! There it is lol

[mystic wharf]

Ye i get it, but do you think it will be a dlc made from the ground up or not at all?

What's your opinion on that....

[worldly garden]

I go by what they actually say..... "Completely redesigned gameplay mechanics and features, coupled with a totally new way to enjoy living on this new world of ARK".... mechanics and features.

[mystic wharf]

Sounds cool but the wait dont make me wanting it

[grim sorrel]

Guys does anyone have exp with abyss mod

[worldly garden]

This channel is for ARK 2, best post your question in #bobs-with-probs

[tribal chasm]

I kinda wish they would bring back torpor + prime meat management as a taming method for some dinos in Ark 2. They are all about introducing these new methods of taming dinos, but have essentially removed the original method from the game too.
A bit like removing pokeballs from Pokemon in favor of 'new and exciting' methods

Like today you are able to tame dinos with berries/raw meat sometimes and get nearly a 'perfect' tame, but in the past you had to earn your perfect tame, adding skill expression to the game.

[hearty osprey]

But that's just from the rates being 4x what they were in 2015

I don't think micromanaging the torpor is all that skill full, it's just more time-consuming

And the prime + Torpor management could be simplified to just torpor and u just give all the prime when it's food has dropped enough

[winged dome]

While not the most interesting method, Tranq+Tame was at least nice for 'set it and forget it' taming. Don't need full focus on completing some stupid minigame while wild creatures respawn and attack you, ruining effectiveness or restarting the whole process

But yeah, with gradual global rate increases and just waiting for the tame to starve for a bit first, the urgency of getting Prime/Mutton has been lost

[blissful perch]

The biggest issue by far with the new taming mechanics is the retention of taming effectiveness, so in that we agree

[blissful perch]

Arguably this became moot when mutton was added for most prime tames, and ignores the really dumb experience of waiting hours to tame most herbivores with berries

The old KO + wait around for ages system just doesn’t make sense in a modern game, and that’s fine. It’s just odd that the old mechanics that were coupled to the KO system didn’t get discarded for creatures that don’t need them because skill expression can be tested in the tame itself rather than guarding a knocked out creature and feeding it the right stuff consistently

[tiny glade]

I almost forgot Ark 2 is a myth

[warped inlet]

E

[wind sable]

I dont think its a myth i just dont believe we will be getting it until like 2030-2035

[ruby shadow]

hello everyone

[delicate ivy]

hey

[forest pawn]

What are we thinking the chances of ark 2 actually coming out and being a decent game are

[hollow pine]

Nvr gonna happen imo

[lethal lantern]

What will we get first ark 2 or gta 6?

[hearty osprey]

gta 6, the 2 have never been even close
ark2 minimun is 2028, so it's 2030+

[lethal lantern]

[covert lynx]

Wait you you don’t k nothing about ark your the last person I thought would join this server

[covert lynx]

Bru it’s a game it’s not like someones Inventing a hovering car

[wind sable]

Yet theyve been dragging out the release for a long while now

[covert lynx]

Nahhhh

[solid marsh]

If it does come out, i'll be shocked if it's any better than ascended, imagine "souls-like" combat on a nitrado server 😷

[lilac ibex]

AAa

[tiny glade]

RIP Chuck Norris
He knew Ark 2 is a myth

[hearty osprey]

it's not WC dealing with mobile, never was
this the ark2 channel
take this to the mobile discord #general message

[rustic scarab]

0 lol

its ccp

[lucid crow]

SO not happanning

[merry nova]

I remember not wanting to dedicate more time on evolved thinking are 2 was right around the corner

I now see that was a mistake

[worldly garden]

But no-one said how big the corner was....

[graceful fulcrum]

If it continues not to be released, ARK 2 will probably be 3TB.

[rough cove]

Is it true it would not be online mode

[hearty osprey]

No, we know nothing of the online features or lack of them Ark2 will ahve

[thick kiln]

They have to milk out asa first which won't be done for a couple years still

[steel jackal]

Hell9

[winged dome]

We know Ark2 will be multiplayer and support Official and Unofficial servers

It's in the Steam Store page

[knotty turtle]

Sorry guys yall have to wait while i do some final changes to ark 2

[worldly garden]

No it's false. It will be the same as ARK, online official servers, PvP etc.

[merry nova]

They did actually they said it was 2023 then 2024 then never

[worldly garden]

twas a joke 🙄

[primal pawn]

2028 trust

[merry nova]

I cant trust the people who thought Noglins were a good Idea

Or gen 2 in general

[zinc shell]

Anyone know what kind of PC and stufff u need for a good gameplay for ark 2 pls ?

[blissful perch]

Nobody knows yet as the game isn’t out, but likely high end specs like Asa

[rough cove]

Thx buddy

[primal pawn]

Gen 2 goated

Gen 1 on the other hand

[clear raptor]

See you ark 2 :3

[tranquil sedge]

hi

[vernal glen]

Gen 1 was at least not so easy, gen 2 is easiest map ever

[white frost]

Is this a cope channel

[unborn plinth]

ark 2

[pliant topaz]

Yup

[outer bison]

When all the bugs in ark are resolved, then ark 2 will come lol

[blissful perch]

Is this satire? Can’t tell

[mystic wharf]

Do you think the camera view will be the same in ark 2 as asa ? Or different?

[solid marsh]

Ark 2 will be 3rd person only apparently, so i reckon it'll be different

[blissful perch]

Is your question different from this one?

[twilit remnant]

LF tribe ARK mobile PvP
active player

[winged dome]

Hey, it's this question again! Welcome back buddy!

[blissful perch]

Remind me to finish my rework doc…maybe then I can swing by this chat again and start some conversations more organically 😅

[mystic wharf]

Doesn't matter, i hope they wont re use asa caméra but there is a high chance they will do it since wildcard re use some stuff from other games a lot of time

If ark 2 has the Exact same caméra type as asa i will not be interested by it

[dire needle]

I agree the camera of asa makes the game boring,the camera is so weird and really badly made

[mystic wharf]

That's the only reason why i dont say ark is my favorite game

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[untold ingot]

We've had this conversation like 30 times.

[mystic wharf]

And?

[untold ingot]

And why are we still talking about it.

They already said the camera will be 3rd person only with a souls like combat. What more do you need to stop thinking they will reuse the same camera...

[mystic wharf]

You want me to say ark 2 is a myth maybe ?

[mystic wharf]

No the camera of ark 2 will be as asa im pretty sure

[untold ingot]

Yeah, because you pulled it out of a hat.

[mystic wharf]

That's what they did will all of their game

[untold ingot]

Maybe do anything but the same 2 conversations over and over again.

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 is a myth then

[untold ingot]

The camera from Ase to asa massively changed...

[mystic wharf]

LOL , you are joking right?

Its the same , boring as Always

I want GTA 5 type of camera for everything

Dinos, characters etc. .

The one of asa is so bad

Mostly for the third person view

Meaning a caméra détached from the character not glued to it i
,it makes the expérience boring

[winged dome]

You know you can adjust the camera distance, right?

[untold ingot]

No. You can literally look into it. The camera was changed. So much thst it's annoying to me. But they did try to keep it close to ase. With how much you talk about the camera it would make people think tht it's hard to do 🤣

[tiny glade]

The revolution has begun

[mossy crest]

Hii

[drowsy steppe]

Huh

[tame geode]

They should rename this channel to "Ark Camera Whining"

[blissful perch]

Thanks for sending this in the ark 2 chat. Hopefully it doesn’t get deleted so it can illuminate the point I keep making about ark 2 maybe…not benefitting from an official server network like Ark 1’s

how could this be…reasonable mod action strikes again I suppose

[versed palm]

.

[tribal chasm]

The official network can be massively improved upon. It isn't great right now, but doesn't mean Ark 2 has to suffer from a complete removal of the concept

[tribal chasm]

I think PvP in Ark 2 should probably have wipes though like at least every 6 months to keep the game fresh.

• Very few people want to join a game where you essentially have to RMT to play.
• Early gameplay is also very fun.
• Wipes encourage the playerbase to get interested in the game at the same time, creating a good vibe
• allows players to take breaks from Ark (unlike Ark 1 where players are encouraged to never let go of their items/dinos)

They can try so many things for Ark and bring in so much $$, not sure why they never try some of the stuff like:

• Ironman Ark (dino lines can only be bred by the same tribe, can't breed dinos from outside your tribe)
• Legacy style Ark
• 'King of the Hill' (server -- claim a structure on a server, defend from other tribes)

A cross server tribe system would open a lot of potential in Ark 2

[long sparrow]

legacy would be conquest/classic woudn't it? conquest/classic and arkpoc wipe as well

not being able to breed dinos from outside your tribe just isn't viable with the way tribes work in ASE/ASA as they aren't cross server.
so it'd basically be you can only grab dinos and breed them on that server. they would need to have a cross server tribes like you said

[tribal chasm]

Aye - although I found the Conquest/Classic gamemodes to not truly capture the legacy feel, particularly with the significant rates increase + various mechanic changes (such as Plant species X)

[long sparrow]

plant species X is from 2015...

[blissful perch]

this is kinda my point though. The issue I have is with ark 1 servers in their current state. Removing all official backed multiplayer I agree would be a close minded approach, but I think this sort of "anarchy round the clock" pvp especially is unhealthy

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[brave hollow]

Ark 2 is still listed on Snail Games' Portfolio on the site, so it is not a myth

[spare shore]

Hello i am from the future and sorry flying car is not happen and Ark 2 isn't a thing here

[untold ingot]

Helicopters and overpasses are already flying cars.

[dire needle]

Why the graphic quality of creatures in asa looks bad , the maps looks beautiful but when you look at the creatures it looks nothing like the maps, if ark 2 gonna be the same then meh ...... there is something strange about these games.....

[winged dome]

I wasn't aware Ark2 was released already

[untold ingot]

Look at the Asa creatures. The ones from ase are ports. Most of them are fine. To compare with what Ark2 would have look at the Asa ones, and remember that garuga is in the wc team now

[bold nimbus]

What even is ark 2

[hearty osprey]

the sequel

[bold nimbus]

ohh

[wind sable]

Its not

[winged dome]

I'm well aware, the original comment suggested it was

[unkempt radish]

ARK 2 isn't just ASA?

[hearty osprey]

No

[smoky verge]

Does asa have vin diesel?

[unkempt radish]

I don't even know what that is

[smoky verge]

Vin diesel?

Youve 100% seen him before

[unkempt radish]

Don't believe I have

At least that I can recall

[smoky verge]

Have you watched fast and furious before?

[unkempt radish]

No

[smoky verge]

Just search the guy up then hes a massive actor

You should know him maybe not his name but his face 100%

[fair owl]

got good movies just need to stop feeding of the old fame of the movies not as good as they where

[smoky verge]

Old ones were better

[fair owl]

ye

[smoky verge]

Dude i just found out he played groot the tree in guardians of the galaxy i never knew that

[grim pivot]

Wont happen in our lifetime just saying

[vestal jackal]

nm

[floral smelt]

•-•

[winged dome]

Start posting in the proper channels and they might start taking players seriously, otherwise all they see are whiny crybabies

[outer bison]

Ark 2: bugs vs glitches
Pre launch without testing 1Q 2029

[manic crystal]

Pov ark 2 price 333t 💵

[sullen idol]

Legacy ark servers would be like 0.25 rates lmao and 3hour imprints

[candid perch]

So what’s everyone gonna do when ark 2 comes out and they shut down Asa servers

[hearty osprey]

either play Ark2 or keep playing on my ASA server

[cursive cloak]

Ark 2 Will never come out😂

2nd of all it will not be the ark we remember

[short gyro]

It wont come anytime soon thx to ASA they still have several maps left to add. To start with and then way to many bugs glitches mesh problems etc etc etc so i'd say at minimum 4-5 years until it comes if it ever does

[kindred osprey]

That was NOT the wind bruh

[untold ingot]

@tawny isle

[strange dome]

7-10 years

[blissful crescent]

2 centuries*

[strange dome]

facts

[barren creek]

Hey why did u delete my message

[scarlet cove]

Gta 6 before ark 2

[hearty osprey]

for sure

[spiral marsh]

GTA 7 will be out befor ark 2 lol 😂

[reef gazelle]

Please delete the illegal content quickly.

[dire needle]

Some dont like ark 2 like they hâte it , and there is others who just are like open but they lie deep down

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[worldly garden]

ARK 2 does not exist yet so no point asking in this channel. Please head over to #1110949794907684965

[flat citrus]

Please, do we can know when we can play or they're going to launch it?

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028. so 2030+

[faint sky]

game wont be out before we all die xD

[lucid peak]

I raided vin diesel. Rip his ark dream. I took his thatch

[prime roost]

💸

[inland latch]

Great ANOTHER DELAY FOR ARK 2!

2089!!

[sudden sphinx]

At this point we won't see ark two until gta 7

[dire needle]

Boring

[hasty silo]

Idk if ARK:2 even exists anymore bro💔

I’m pretty sure if they eve have a team working on it they’re pretty small

Compared to all the others

[hearty osprey]

Pretty sure they told us that's the case

ASA is the main focus rn

[split dove]

from a PCGamesN interview from June 2025

"We put the vertical slice on hold a couple of years ago to make ASA, and we've been only nibbling at it since then," Stieglitz says. "A small portion of our team continues to refine the mechanics of [Ark 2's] combat… It's very difficult to do soulslike combat in a multiplayer PvP context. You could probably count the number of games on one hand that have even attempted that in an actual PvP context."

Stieglitz estimates that it would take roughly "18 months of hardcore team focus to [turn] that vertical slice into an early access game, when we get to put the vast majority of our team back on it." Later in our conversation, he predicts that the game could be in your hands (in an early access state) "hopefully within the next two years." However, he says that Studio Wildcard is still trying to find the right time to shift its resources off of ASA and onto Ark 2.

[vernal glen]

and they doing random fantastic tames cuz they can

[dire needle]

Loser the developers they can't even do ark 2

[tribal chasm]

Naraka Bladepoint seems to do what Wildcard was aiming for in Ark 2, but as you can imagine, it's almost unplayable the moment you are vsing people outside of your region. That's also a game without massive bases/dinos everywhere etc...
I think it's too ambitious

[astral token]

Without ambition, greatness is never possible

[untold ingot]

I googled that. And it says it's a mobile battleroyale game?

[viral elbow]

its free to download. forget the search and just try a few rounds

[mystic wharf]

A friend of mine made a game that is just like this one but he tried to make it better and it will release soon it was my Idea since i didn't liked little things asa has , it will replace it if its good

[winged dome]

Did they re-use assets from ASE? Particularly the character models?
And how is the camera? Is it more like ASE or ASA?

[mystic wharf]

That's a joke , i wanted a game made from 0 , it just looks like a côpy paste trash with the same type of boring camera

I wanted a caméra where you can look around you instead of the same as ase for the 3rd person....

[tame geode]

Of all the issues with ASA, everytime I check this channel out it's always about the dang camera. The cameras not bad. It's just different than what you want. Make a mod.

[winged dome]

Its the same dude with the same complaints over
... and over

... and over

... and over

[mystic wharf]

But you spoke about the camera type didn't you? Its you who brought that

[winged dome]

Might need to adjust your camera a bit to see the joke that flew over your head

[tame geode]

Add that to the mod.

[mystic wharf]

Impossible to do Sadly men

Asa need a lift of better immersion

[tame geode]

What's impossible? Making a new camera actor with custom settings or render target isn't hard. Just takes time.

[mystic wharf]

I tried it , its really Impossible

Me and my friend didn't succeded

With how asa is played you can't change that because asa is too rigid for that

[tame geode]

Well, then I guess it's a good thing you and your friend are making that new game. Someone's gotta make that camera, and it ain't gonna be WC.

[mystic wharf]

Yep that and dinos getting stuck everywhere on rocks made me tired , asa is very a spécial game because the developers are special too but in a kind of weird way... Seeing the dinos from behinds everytime i walk is just so hilarious, sometimes i can't take this game seriously lmao it really feels like its a game made for trolling peoples at times , peoples who says this game is good are just in denial tbh it is very far to be good .... But other than that the rest of the game is fine for me

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[untold ingot]

Um. It's probably more skill issue tbh

[stark ore]

I love Aquatica

Almost as good as Ark2 is going to be

[marsh skiff]

Yuck..

[mystic wharf]

So ark 2 will be good for some , ok i see...

[mystic wharf]

Ok even if its a myth , What Do you mean by that ? You mean you dont want an ark 2 game or you want it but think its a myth ? I want know if you want ark 2 or not

[mystic wharf]

Its so hard though

You wont Even succeded it too probably

Asa Cars véhicles have the type of caméra i like i want that for the player/dino as well pretty tired to get killed unfairly in some player against player stuff but still like it though they already have the camera type i like in asa but you can't Even turn to right or left or attack, you can just move forward, that's why my friend is making an ark ascended Even better it will release in couple of months we decided that it will be the asa killer but dont be mad for the fact that our game can be superior to the game you love that's alright...... Zen got emotional for example Yesterday that's insane

[normal wigeon]

nobody will ever play it dawg and if they do u will get sued LMFAO