ark-2

[winged dome]

I mean, ASA is pretty amazing for what it could be. It lacks optimzation which has never been WC's strong suit

[stray elm]

And if ASA is truly a completely new game that was made from the ground-up instead of them porting over code. Then that doesn't bode well for ARK-2.

[mint swan]

Lol ark ascended is 100 percent a port they lied about "being made from the ground up ", why the developers didn't started from scratch lol

[stray elm]

I don't know man.
Some people I know that actually know coding have said that the game isn't a port.
I'm not a software programmer unlike them, so I can't say for sure who's right or not.

[mint swan]

Lol how can you not see this , asa is a port I'm 100 percent sure , the dinos are the same most animations are the same mainly in first person lol , they just ported ark 1 to ue5 and made some minor changes to the game

[stray elm]

We're talking about the code, not assets.

[mint swan]

Oh ok

[stray elm]

Assets like animations, models, etc, aren't tied to software engineering.

[mint swan]

I thought you we talking about the entire game but the code looks the same tbh as ase

[stray elm]

How do you know what the code looks like?

[mint swan]

Assumption

[stray elm]

Ight, so you don't know at all.

[mint swan]

No it's just assumption

How could I know lol

[stray elm]

Cause the game could be completely different within the actual coding.

[stray elm]

If you where a software engineer.

[mint swan]

I'm not lol

You are one ?

If yes what do you think the is coding same as ase or not ?

[stray elm]

No, if you read the messages I sent earlier. You'd know that I know people who are software engineers.
These people say that ASA 'isn't' a direct port of ASE with the code. Which the code would be what would be causing most of the optimization issues.
'If' this is the case and real. Then I have no hope for ARK-2 being better in performance, as ASA is already an example of them making a entirely new code for another product.

[signal heath]

asa should get refunded but sadly that would kill ark 2

[stray elm]

It is refundable on Steam.
Sadly though, most people are past the refund threshold.

[mint swan]

I know that the code is tied up to the optimization but the optimization of asa is worse than ase , I don't even know how it can be possible to have worse optimization for a remake

[stray elm]

That's why if this is true. I have even less hope for ARK-2.
If ASA is completely new coding, then they've proven to us that they can't develop a optimized and stable game at all.

[blissful perch]

It’s the same triangle guys. Polish, content, and speed - pick two. This community, gaming at large, and WC all seem to agree polish comes last. It was bad with ASE, bad with Asa now, and likely will be bad with ark 2

[stray elm]

Yerp.
Which is kind of sad, cause I personally would rather a game take longer to develop and be stable on launch then getting what is the equivalent to fast-food slop.

Though with recent titles, we've seen that just cause a game takes a long time to develop. Doesn't mean anything if it'll actually be stable or not.

[blissful perch]

Very true that lengthy dev cycles don’t guarantee polish

[blissful perch]

The incentives imo are simple - people can now be paid for their game while they polish it, and gamers want things now rather than later

[stray elm]

I must be in the minority then.

[blissful perch]

You are. Which is all well and good, but it’s not what the market does

Look at how many folks pounce on a new game without checking if they can even run it, let alone if it’s stable. They see content and instantly buy it -> which signals the market to keep providing it

[stray elm]

Though, even when gamers want games quickly. We've seen with the Triple-A community that they're getting sick of all the slop being served. And are now moving to more Indie studios like Palword, Helldivers, Enshrouded, etc.

Communities can only take so much abuse and slop before someone speaks out, and the community becomes an echo chamber of hate.
With enough hate, people will go from threats to actually doing what they're saying if a better alternative is given.

[blissful perch]

To be clear tho it’s not abuse. Gamers and players want new content, and leave for other games if a studio fails to satiate their hunger. It’s a two way failure

[stray elm]

Probably should've rephrased it, but I believe you get the point.

[blissful perch]

Sometimes the desire for new content is “more of the same” and other times it’s “I want something brand new”

The move to indie has also been occurring over the last 10+ years, as it’s become easier to publish games and the polish/content needs that were once a barrier to entry are way lower

[stray elm]

I thoroughly believe the only reason why ARK hasn't collapsed yet, is cause there's literally no other game out there that gives the same quality of content that ARK does with its taming system.
I'm almost certain minor mechanics like color-regions subconsciously brings players back, cause functions like that makes a static world less static.
Each tame, even if it's of the same species and share literally the exact same model, is different to a degree.

[blissful perch]

You’re correct that ark is set apart because of the diversity and complexity of the “tamed creatures” genre

The remainder of the awful mechanics I’ve talked about for years can disappear as long as that core design principle remains

[stray elm]

And the moment a new game is created to have the same amount of diversity and complexity, while being a creature-taming simulator more or less with survival mechanics of PvE and PvP. I don't think there'd be any reason to play ARK anymore.

[blissful perch]

The “I want to ride a Trex” comes before anything else

[stray elm]

Honestly, I don't even think it's just the dinosaurs anymore.
Each expansion has gained more and more players due to the new interest and players wanting to experience the new expansion.
And no expansion in ASE had any dinosaurs. All of them had badass fictional creatures.

[blissful perch]

“I want to ride a weird lion thing” is the same general principle

[stray elm]

(no expansions had 'new' dinosaurs I should say)

[stray elm]

"I wanna ride a badass monster"

[blissful perch]

Point being, the tames make the game here. The remaining mechanics are basically chaff. You can junk 99% of them and the appeal isn’t lost

[stray elm]

It'll be interesting to see what Wildcard will do the day a new Indie studio releases a game of the same quality that 2015 ARK had. (or even later years, if they have the time/funding)

[blissful perch]

Ark also straddles a TON of genres which protects it

It’s on paper a sandbox survival, but it also has heavy rpg elements (as an example)

So Palworld, a more rpg survival game with slightly weaker sandbox elements, didn’t compete as much as I expected (though it obviously still did)

[stray elm]

Sandbox, survival, open-world, sci-fi, primal, RPG, MMO, single-player, creature taming.

The sci-fi and primal genres could probably be taken out. Cause that's more personal taste.
If a new game had all of the other elements though and actually made them all work together, then it'd be an interesting time for Wildcard.

[stray elm]

Yeah, I feel like if Palworld for some reason strayed away less of Pokemon aspects, and went more towards ARK aspects. It'd be a pretty decent compete between the two.
Palworld is more of a competitor to Pokemon though.

[blissful perch]

Palworld sits comfortably between Pokemon and ark

Which is great for everyone imo…because it competes less than I thought but collects players from both

[stray elm]

Correct, though I'd say it's more towards Pokemon. Cause Nintendo saw Palworld enough of a threat to try to investigate the game to see if they have any legal backings they could take advantage of.

[blissful perch]

Palworld did basically lift some pokemon designs lol, so that’s fair. They also lifted ark’s engram system. It’s reasonable to investigate sometimes for stuff like that

[stray elm]

ARK didn't really invent the point-buy system when getting new technology.
And Palworld, even with almost direct copies, is different enough that Nintendo can't do anything about it.

[blissful perch]

Correct on both points. But that doesn’t mean it’s worth noting the careful line between inspiration and theft. Imo Palworld is distinct enough to not be theft, but I’m not a lawyer

[stray elm]

I'm not a lawyer either, but I could imagine that it's a attempt of theft, yet they changed the original designs enough that it could legally be considered inspiration.

[fallow niche]

Bring it back to Ark2

[winged dome]

WC only gets 1 pick 😂

[blissful perch]

well...speed is relative 😅

but in terms of palworld, I do think ark 2 will have to manage a similar challenge of making mounted combat not feel extremely janky - something that palworld imo was not super good at addressing

[mint swan]

Just a quick question You are more into asa or ark 2?

[blissful perch]

i don't own ASA, and have been in this chat since the ark 2 annoucement - so I think I have to say ark 2

[mint swan]

You don't like asa ?

[mint swan]

He said he doesn't own it.

[mint swan]

I know ? But I was thinking maybe he don't like it since he doesn't own it

Some people can't afford it 😕 (Like me)

[mint swan]

Oh ok lol

Ark 2 price not gonna be different bud

Exactly. But some people might not have enough money because of house bills or saving for car or stuff like that.

[blissful perch]

i was not sufficiently interested in buying ark 1 again if that's your question

what i wanted was a game with more engaging combat and a post game that didn't consist of endless material grinding and breeding - seeing as that wasn't gonna happen in ark 1 (and ASA), I saved my money and have not purchased the game. If ab doesn't bring me back, I'll just wait patiently for ark 2

[mint swan]

Ok you answered now tx

[blissful perch]

I do wonder why I was asked about my preference for ark 2 over Asa 😆

[mint swan]

Just like this ? Idk and also because you are on the ark community and you don't have asa so that's Why I was like do you prefer asa or ark 2 that's pretty simple to understand why

[blissful perch]

No harm no foul btw, I was just curious 🙂

But i can only reliably speak for myself. I feel like my role in the ark community is a bit weird because im exclusively in the ark 2 chat looking forward - I haven’t played ark of any kind since ASA came out and have been discussing how to improve the ark experience for years now (rather than what I imagine most “ark regulars” do, which is play all the time lol)

[pine basin]

Lucky you. Since ASA's release and after playing it for 700 hours, I lost hope Ark 2 will ever release or if it ever happens, it probably won't be good.

They managed to release a remake with most of the issues that plagued the old game, incuding issues that have been fixed on the original game.

[wet grove]

Ase -> Atlas + ASA. If the same trend continues i imagine that ASA is more than 'training' for UE5. It will be another asset farm to rip and reuse in Ark2 mark my words.

[blissful perch]

It’s weird how much Asa reminds me of ase’s low budget launch. But I can’t stop huffing the copium for ark 2

Maybe the new creatures can show us the complexity that’s possible in ark 2 tho

[mint swan]

The developers of Ark 2 is also made by wildcard so how can it be different from asa you are right

[modern bay]

@teal elk

[pine basin]

I mean I was hopeful for Ark 2, it was supposed to be a new (and bright) beginning for the series. But everything they did since earlier 2023 was messed up. They lost their focus. Changing focus (and moving resources) to complete ASA was probably a bad decision, even more when you see the current state of the game and the DLCs. My point is, if the state of their main focus right now is this, why would I expect a good outcome for their side project (Ark 2)?

[blissful perch]

yea I really have no clue if asa is a main focus or a temporary fund raising focus. At this point idk if it's a failsafe for ark 2 or what exactly happened with ark 2

[stray elm]

Assets are one thing.
I believe they're more talking about the actual coding though.

Wait, nope. They did say asset rip.

[mint swan]

You really do? How ? Doesn't make sense

[pine basin]

I don't, but I would like if it gets released in a playable state. It was a very promising game (IMO).

[blissful perch]

It can still be, so I wouldn’t write it off yet. But ASA has certainly tempered my expectations

[thick moat]

I still have some hype for ark 2... but

seeing how they are doing with asaxd

[broken kestrel]

i look at it this way, hopefully the reason asa is buggy is because they are focusing most of their resources on ark2

[blissful perch]

I don’t own Asa but I do feel like this much more complex but immersive Gigantoraptor taming method is a good litmus test for ark 2

[stray elm]

Wouldn't say immersive.
A lot of gamey mechanics.
If you ever played Spore, it's literally the dance mini-game to befriend other species.

[blissful perch]

Compared to mindlessly throwing meat into an inventory and waiting…it’s immersive 😅

[stray elm]

Fair

Though, if we where to take canon into account. Seems like every creature is able to easily have Stockholm syndrome.

[blissful perch]

I agree immersion can be even greater, but it’s certainly a big step up

[split dove]

it's not kidnapping a baby from it's parent, it's a surprise adoption

[cyan grove]

Servus suche 2-3 mates für smalltribes crossplay pvp bei Interesse gerne melden

[stray elm]

Ight, to be fair. That one is a bit more immersive then every creature having Stockhold syndrome within their genes.

[split dove]

true

[stray elm]

If they're young enough. They wont remember.
Still feel like egg-stealing will be a large way of taming for ARK-2.

[split dove]

early life trauma does tend to cause dementia

[stray elm]

Can't be traumatic if you don't remember it.

[split dove]

can't remember if your brain was a peanut

[stray elm]

True

Anyway.
Hopefully there's more cooking recipes in ARK-2, cause I wanna cook up an omelette.

[split dove]

i won't mind cooking dodo drumsticks

[blissful perch]

I’m ok with that if I don’t need to spend an irl week raising what I got

[stray elm]

No game outside of mobile games should do this.

Nothing should take a literal week to get. 🫠

[blissful perch]

If they do NOTHING else in ark 2, they need to remove all the hard timer gates.

I should not need to take days to raise something, wait to hatch, wait for mating cooldowns, etc

[stray elm]

Fuck, even grinding raids in MMO's take only a few hours to get what you want with RNG. (or a day or two, at tops if you're hella unlucky)

ARK's current raise timers feels more like a mobile game, where I'd have to pay to make them raise faster.

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with daily events for example having a timer, but the rest of it is seriously just a waste of time

[stray elm]

Yerp.

Honestly, raise timers are the only thing I can think of from the top of my head that are comically tedious.
A good 150 giga can take like an hour to tame, but fine. That's understandable. When are you needing to mass tame them anyway? (cause you'd most likely would only tame specific ones for breeders.)
It's annoying to make high tier items via blueprints. But as long as you already have the harvesters for the materials the BP asks for, it'll take a few hours to the day to grind enough.

Raising is really the only thing I'd want them to change, no matter what.
Other things I can think of are more in the line of "it's annoying, but can get this done in a few hours."

[blissful perch]

I begrudgingly accept the grind for materials - though I loathe it. My preference is that material rarity (ie it’s harder to get a key material and it takes time via difficulty) rather than quantity be the gate, but a survival game is gonna have mat grind

[stray elm]

I agree.
Kind of the reasoning I hope if BP's (if they return) in ARK-2 will be more akin to ATLAS.
Each tier added onto an additonal sub-type of the resource the BP needs. And some of the specific type of resources where in dangerous areas.
Though, it felt annoying cause of how comically large ATLAS was.

[blissful perch]

Yes I should say that difficulty should be mechanic rather than “spend two hours holding W on a flier or a boat”

[stray elm]

If lets say ASA had the ATLAS style of BP's. I'd be down if there was a type of wood you had to get that can only spawn on snowy mountain tops.
Same areas Giga's can spawn.

[blissful perch]

Ab was close with red gems being in the radioactive zone

But then you needed a billion of them for a good saddle so it was back to square one

[winged dome]

Less number of mats, but more different 'types' of mats - especially depending on rarity of whatever you want to craft. I'd definitely be down for this especially if it forces travel

Like Regular bow takes 10 wood to craft, a Rare would be 15 of two/three different woods, ect

[stray elm]

Like Shifter said, they almost nailed this with the gems in Aberration. If it wasn't for the fact you needed an absurd amount still for high tier BP's.

[winged dome]

All we have to do is hope WC doesn't make the same mistake again 😁
for the twelfth time...

[fallow niche]

Required posting of the saladmander

[blissful perch]

“Doesn’t matter anymore” implies it’s easy. Which is true, because it IS easy…but that’s not the complaint. The complaint is that it takes a ton of time (or manpower I suppose? IMO really it’s time) rather than anything resembling skill or even gameplay

I’m not enjoying the ark experience of “surviving in a hostile environment with my trusty tames” when I am spending hours and hours clicking on rocks

[untold ingot]

There is nothing wrong with playing ark for pve lol.

The game has a majority of its players being pve, and most of them (and a lot of pvp players too) would enjoy a more balanced resource system

[topaz badge]

Is it true snail games blew all their money on electric cars and thats why we arent getting ark 2

[stray elm]

Yes on the former, technically unconfirmed on the latter.

[topaz badge]

Well it seems like ark 2 was at least placed on long term hold

[stray elm]

Still scheduled for this year. But I doubt it'll come out.

[topaz badge]

And considering whats been going on with ascended, doesnt look good 🫤

[stray elm]

Game seems to be stuck in development hell.

[topaz badge]

Locking tames and features behind paywalls is obscenely stupid

[stray elm]

Unconfirmed if that's how the Oasisaur will work.

[topaz badge]

Ah I thought that was the rumor, that it would be in the paid dlc pack

[stray elm]

Keyword is 'rumor'

[topaz badge]

Doesnt scorched release soon though?

[stray elm]

It is in the paid DLC pack.
But we don't know if it'll be locked fully behind a paywall, like you can't literally use it unless you bought the pack.
Or if it'll just be something that the host needs to buy, and anyone on the server can use them, even if they don't own the pack.

[stray elm]

Directly a month from now, if it doesn't get delayed again.
April 1st.

[fallow niche]

Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[pine basin]

I wouldn’t say it’s accurate. SG never spent money with electric vehicles, Shi Hai did. It was his money as a shareholder, so he could burn the money and it shouldn’t affect Ark or Wildcard. I still think there are other issues on why Ark 2 or Wildcard are failing, besides SG.

[stray elm]

Fair

[frigid grail]

This question gets asked a lot i think, but when will ark 2 be released?

[split dove]

current ETA is end of 2024, but that can and will likely change

[blissful perch]

The idea would be 1) you’d need way less material so you’d only need a few trips and 2) you wouldn’t need ALL these unique rocks…so it would be 1-2 trips to specific spots on the map rather than “go everywhere around the map”

[stray elm]

In the same message, I also acknowledged this.
I personally was fine with it, if it wasn't for how comically large the map was. Which I believe was the core reason why it felt tedious.
If these multi-resources where on a smaller map, like The Island for example. I don't think it'd be as horrible to farm.

Well, then don't have specific resources in specific caves.
Have that specific resource in 'all' caves. You'd just need to go into one cave.
Whether that's a surface cave that's unblocked, or an ocean one, doesn't matter. As long as it's a cave.

Fair.

Main issue I think with that, is those caves are very specific. Which would bring us back to the previous issue of 'specific resources in specific caves'
Which could be blocked off.

Would be better though in situations like Gen1 where places like the volcano isn't buildable. So that place could have unique resources.

Agreed.
I mostly play PvE now. But I used to play PvP, so I get how annoying that shit is.

Feel like cave building wouldn't be as much of an issue, if all caves where a connected network.
Like, instead of each entrance being to a new cave. It's just an entrance to that specific sections.
So any cave entrance can lead to the main network that connects all of the entrances.

The ASE one technically can. But if someone where to make that other then Wildcard, it'd be an extension to the existing map.

Yep.
Map Extensions can alter anything about existing maps.
Only downside is the mod 'has' to be at the top of the loadorder. Which would conflict with any other mod that also requires the same thing.
Other then that, you can modify about anything on existing Wildcard maps.

[fallow niche]

Please bring it back to ark 2

[stray elm]

ARK 2 should have cave networks instead of normal one-track caves.

[winged dome]

One entrance/exit caves
Extensive interwoven cave networks

[mint swan]

is this going to be shit like ark? or is there hope

[winged dome]

I mean, Ark is in the name 😂

[mint swan]

Good point

[blissful perch]

Sure, but imo my preference is instanced or even procedural caves for ark 2

[stray elm]

Either way. They should have multiple entrances so people don't block them off.

[blissful perch]

That way there’s a 0% chance of anyone being able to block a cave that has progression tied to it. What I’d also love is specific resources that can be earned through exploring these instances caves

I mean the idea is that there’s nothing to “block” in my ideal model, because the caves aren’t actually present in the buildable world. They’re more like mission zones

[stray elm]

Unless the entire landscape of the game is procedurally generation. I'd assume it'd be easier to make preset entrance points with procedural caves.

[blissful perch]

You could do it kinda like Gen 2 mission terminals

[stray elm]

Ah, that works too.
Feel like though this'd be a bit bad for anyone on private servers/single-player that actually want to live in caves. In which it wouldn't be harmful.

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with small caves that exist on tons of maps

[stray elm]

Then unless something changes, the issue still exists.

[blissful perch]

Those are often too small for big tribes anyway, and also don’t gate any progression so they’re fairly harmless

[stray elm]

You'd be surprised how much you can fit into small caves.

[blissful perch]

A rathole can fit a ton too. But it’s got limits

And, most critically, it doesn’t block people from progressing like say an ice cave base would

[stray elm]

Sure.
But better to have limits around indestructible terrain, then a base without limits, but can be destroyed from all sides.

[blissful perch]

I certainly can concede that cave meta is a real issue, but I’d also say that part of the reason cave meta works is because of numerous massive story caves people can build huge bases in

[stray elm]

Well, sure. But the issue isn't that people can build in caves.
The issue is that it blocks off artifacts and cave crates to be able to progress.
If, lets say all caves where connected, had multiple paths, and was built like a spiders web, and the artifact chamber had multiple entrances. Then the issue wouldn't be as bad.

[blissful perch]

I’ve always seen cave meta as 2-3 issues. 1) people block progression, 2) caves are stupidly safe and hard/unfun to raid, and 3) not having a cave often means you don’t have a base spot, so the carrying capacity of a server is much lower than normal

[stray elm]

Here's my personal take.
1: Could be solved if there's multiple networks going towards the artifact/specific cave crates chambers. There could even be a specific path that is restricted to build in, alongside the main artifact chamber.
2: in ARK-2, there could be specific building tiles for cave building, and specific counters to go against them (siege weapons)
Additionally, they could allow it that you could allow some of the cave ceiling to collapse in onto itself temporarily, before the ceiling heals up and the rubble despawns. This could allow people to collapse the cave ontop of bases.
3: I don't know what you mean by this.

[mint swan]

That would make pvp hard and pointless aswell as no maps would exist

[blissful perch]

*current PvP. Ark PvP originally didn’t have cave meta and it was played plenty. It can work if values and a few other things are tweaked

[mint swan]

But for the majority of ark life it was cave pvp building what you want is near impossible and are asking way to much of wildcard this isn’t Minecraft

[blissful perch]

3. is basically saying that you have X base spots that are viable where X is the number of large caves. Instead of a much larger value if everyone made use of land bases

[blissful perch]

3 years of no cave meta is enough data imo to argue it can work. WC could make it work, but I suspect the existing playerbase would be unhappy

[mint swan]

Ark was extremely dead during those years

[blissful perch]

For ark 2 though there’s no existing playerbase to appease, and the cave meta is awfully stifling

[blissful perch]

I heard the most about PvP being dead when extinction dropped. “Extinction killed ark” was everywhere. Prolly cause titans made land bases completely unviable

[stray elm]

Honestly, I think ARK-2 is more going towards the PvE aspects of survival games then PvP.
Which, even though it saddens my old PvP self. There's a larger market for PvE survival games now a days.

[mint swan]

No gen 2 killed pvp after a few months of extinction and multiple mana nerfs have pvp gained nearly all of its player base back

[blissful perch]

Open world PvP is a horrifically hard genre to create, maintain, and manage in an official context. What ark 2 should do is focus on PvE for officials and have PvP unofficials where people structure and balance the PvP as they see fit. But dolly already confirmed both modes in their standard official states in ark 2

[mint swan]

Wild card got punished for its constant abuse to pvp players and will be punished again if it doesn’t make good on ark 2 but we probably won t see ark 2 till 2026

[blissful perch]

I don’t really believe that

PvP players certainly rally pretty loud, but they also get abused basically constantly all the time and keep wanting to be abused more

[untold ingot]

The cave meta isn't an issue imo

[mint swan]

They just said they are focusing on asa unless you think they are going to do another release way to early

[untold ingot]

Well, it is, but only because it limits the number of base spots

[blissful perch]

Nah 2026 ark 2 is pretty reasonable tbh, that’s something I can agree to

[mint swan]

They released the trailer in 2020 ☠️

[blissful perch]

Yes it’s been a minute 😞. At this point this chat can be named “ark future design” because that’s what I’ve used it for

[mint swan]

Wanting to work on asa is wild asf

[blissful perch]

We have some ark 2 stuff to go off, but it’s still so broad and open ended that almost any design idea might have breathing room

Nah, Asa is safe so it makes sense. Ark 2 is going to be a departure from the shackles of Ark 1, but it’s also a departure from a large safe audience that Ark 1 already gathered

[mint swan]

Asa is a flop and didn’t fix any of the actual issues of ark

[untold ingot]

I mean, that's not what it was designed to do though

[mint swan]

We wanted bug fixes but wildcard would rather give us decent graphics for the small price of 44$

[untold ingot]

Nor was that what it was advertised as

[mint swan]

Should not have been designed at all

[blissful perch]

They fixed some things a little (nerfing the strength of mutated lines for example by not allowing them to provide an exponential buff to player added stat levels), but agree with Raq the point isn’t to really change much about ark 1. It’s to redo ark 1 in a more modern engine

[untold ingot]

Okay... Thats subjective lol

[blissful perch]

I mean, there is a noted quality increase in asa over 2015 ase. But i agree it’s dubious that the quality suggests the title of a formal remaster. I just pray the bugs in Asa are not an omen for ark 2

[mint swan]

As are most things in the world

[untold ingot]

Asa for pve is indisputably better, for pvp it's only bad because of a lack of maps, (and issues with large bases)

[blissful perch]

Asa was also requested from the community in spades because they were so unhappy with ark 2’s departure from ark 1. To appease the folks who want the game again, Asa was made, and to appease people who want WC to seek a new way to achieve an innovate survival taming experience ark 2 stayed on the books

[lavish lava]

Am I the only one who feels that Ark 2 (if it ever sees the light of day) ought to be given a new title?

[stray elm]

Nah, I think it's bland.

[blissful perch]

A new title like Ark 2: Survival Reborn? Or not ark at all?

[winged dome]

Ark Sequel: Survival but More™️

[marble basin]

They did say that rather than rewriting the code to fix underlaying bugs in ue4 it would be easier to just redo the entire game in ue5. So i was also expecting them to fix their stuff in asa

[marble basin]

Not if you have same specs as last ark lol

[fallow niche]

This channel is only for Ark 2. Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[marble basin]

Cant wait for my grandkids to use this chat when ark 2 comes out

[crimson osprey]

Ark 2 or ark ascended

[thick moat]

Im honestly fine with ark 2 as a name

specially because it will still follow what ark 1 was but with different mechanics and vision, just having something like ark: or ark 2: would be pretty unnecesary

But if it really went that way (if the game ever releases) I would like it to be named Ark 2: Unknown World or Survival Reborn as Shifter said xd

[blissful perch]

Unknown world reminds me too much of unknown worlds entertainment, the beloved company that made ns2 and subnautica 😅

[astral token]

ARK 2: for real this time!

[thick moat]

ARK 2: Toretto Awakens

[pine basin]

Ark 2: never happening, just deal with it GOTY edition

[pine basin]

The Devil would send you to heaven, because you would be too Naive to be in Hell, believing Ark 2 will ever release.

[zenith remnant]

Ark 2 will be a AAAAA Game after 10 years Early access

[spice badger]

It is not yet known whether the last map will be released by the end of this section, let alone Ark 2

[broken dune]

I think by now Wildcard lost like 90% of hype for ARK 2... No news or communication from them 🫤

they think they're Rockstar like we can always forgive them for it and keep the hype

[edgy merlin]

ASA is ark 2 😂

[blissful perch]

People said that years ago, then people went ballistic when news came out again 👀

[untold ingot]

Can't keep hype if there isn't updates

[broken dune]

not anymore this time it's really disappointing

[stray elm]

Most of the talk with ARK-2 last reveal where negative. So....technically some interest?

[snow apex]

Ark 2 will be trash just like asa with wildcard running the show

[thick moat]

they said this year they would update us more on it :clueless: 😂

im still wondering if the surprise on November has something to do with ark 2

[blissful perch]

Hype and/or people going ballistic does not specify if it’s good or bad attention 😅

[stray elm]

Fair.

[tame bobcat]

💀

[blissful perch]

I do wonder if people say that to be funny or if they still don’t understand that Asa isn’t ark 2

[stray elm]

Some people do unironically think so.

[pine basin]

That's true, but I wouldn't say Ark is now at the same position it was years ago. A lot of people left. Most streamers I used to watch moved to other games. Also, they did something I thought was impossible: ASA's development has been worse than what they did to ASE, when they were a smaller company. I know next time I wouldn't be too excited, unless it's the actual release of the game and it happens to be good.

[pine basin]

I doubt it, they are just trying to trigger other people here

[stray elm]

I've had a conversation here before with someone that actually had to ask.
Gave them the answer, and "thanks, I wanted to make sure" before it ended.

[pine basin]

I wasn't talking about people asking questions, but those saying: "ASA is actually Ark 2"

Maybe people has to ask people of those spreading lies

[stray elm]

The question was 'is ARK-2 ASA?'

To be fair, it's a valid question if you never watched the ARK-2 trailer or seen the steampage, and a new game just dropped under the ARK IP.

[pine basin]

All the above are actually affirming, not asking

[pine basin]

If you never watched the trailer or saw the steam page, you wouldn't even know what is ark 2 🤣

[stray elm]

This channel

[pine basin]

This channel is just full of missinformations. If you read the pins you would know.

[stray elm]

Which the reality is, sadly not many do.

[pine basin]

And back to what I've said, people has to ask, because some just spread lies here

[blissful perch]

I agree with much of this, but I’d also argue that it’s not too shocking content is lower for Asa given there’s less novelty to market with a remaster of ark that has less in the way of mods/community content

I’ve certainly become more worried about ark 2 after seeing ASA though…mostly the monetization and strange method of pushing mods through a funnel

[thick moat]

That seems more on a desperate attempt at trying to give us content that's not recycled

[jade vale]

This game is how many years late?

[untold ingot]

2

[lapis trench]

Ark 2 prolly flop best they keep working on asa and the sereis

[narrow sorrel]

Ark is not coming, since they screwed up sa.

[safe flower]

Ark 2 is never coming.

[mortal plover]

so the ark series is dying?

[barren siren]

Sadly

[untold vine]

no its coming dw

[river plank]

Asa is a cash grab so they can continue to work on ark 2

[frank bramble]

Lol so are groceries

[river plank]

Nah that's to stay alive

[topaz escarp]

Cigarettes better example

[wide elm]

It's coming , just might be called something different from all the backlash. Might take longer than we expect. It'll be called something like (Ark:Adrinaline rush) 😂

[vernal niche]

i mean if they dont fix asa soon it isnt going to be anything but a flop

still can't believe that they haven't fixed the servers.

[blissful perch]

Imo having servers was the issue but that’s something I’ve already said 😉

[hexed drift]

Asa is buns ngl they shoulda just made Ase better

We’re just waiting for maps that we’ve been playing for years

They shoulda just wiped all official servers like they did with legacy years ago and made the game better

Gen 2 did ruin ark tho

[winged dome]

The irony when ASA is ASE but better

[gilded vessel]

i mean ark is a 2015 game and look how far it came with in the last 9 years with mods graphics and servers and many other dinos and easter eggs and all that jazz, so i can see why ark 2 is taking for ever like gta6 yk

[boreal stratus]

Are there different teams working on the different ASA maps and Ark 2?

[stray elm]

Currently it seems like most, if not all developers from Wildcard are on ASA. To help the employees in the studio to train with UE5 before releasing ARK-2.

Also, they have Grove-Street as partners. So they may be working on some stuff on ARK-2 while Wildcard mostly works on ASA.

[verbal schooner]

Yea

[red trench]

2058

[fierce fiber]

That's not reassuring. They're work mostly consists of mobile ports, and poorly at that with lots of it feeling like nothing more than ai upscaling...

Like the GTA Definitive Edition which was just a trash attempt at remastering that has now been abandoned.

[stray elm]

They where forced by Rockstar if I recall to use the AI tools for GTA Definitive Edition. Due to Rockstar developing them and wanting to test them out.
They're the ones that gave us the 2.0 update for the Switch, which heavily revamped the entire game and made it more stable then Wildcard has ever done with that version of ARK.

[pine basin]

In what aspects? Besides graphics, ASE can be considered way better than ASA (at least for now). ASA brought back a lot of bugs that were fixed for ASE. Content wise, ASA is way behind and they will take a long time to deliver what is already there for ASE. It’s debatable if ASA is really an improved version of ASE (I would disagree).

This made me get concerned about Ark 2 if it ever comes to light

[winged dome]

ASE also has what, 8 years of bug fixes and content behind it? In time, ASA should be brought to the same relative end quality with the bonus of a better engine, graphic quality, true crossplay with mod support, tons of QoL features, and more

[pulsar jay]

Ark 2 on 2040

[blissful perch]

Imo a big unanswered question that’s gonna set the tone for a while to come is how the new Se oasis creature/kinda op sounding mechanics are monetized

While people complained about se dlc being paid, it was ultimately a content expansion for a fee - a well known and accepted monetization scheme where generally people weren’t directly exposed to content they couldn’t interact with on the map. I’m a bit nervous about the new tone that could extend to ark 2 of paying for content on a map you’re already playing on

[fallow niche]

Gentle reminder that this channel is only for Ark 2. Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[verbal wind]

with the changes to ark 2 combat, think we'll get a bfg?

and/or will rocket launchers be better

would also be nice to have an upgrade system for weapons instead of having to find blueprints

[left edge]

Like, if you keep developing your knowledge, you should be able to make better weapons.

I imagined a system where you level up based on item usage. Use stone axe enough, learn requirements and how to make metal. Learn basic metal and after so much XP you learn how to make mastercraft version etc

[blissful perch]

But that’s not how tools are going to work anyway. It’s component based crafting, meaning you have a series of parts (axe head, shaft, etc) which have different properties based on the material

My guess is that the knowledge system will unlock either new skills, new tools, or the ability to use new materials as components

[left edge]

That sounds horrible

I always like last call of duty my games

[blissful perch]

You may gain knowledge by using tools, harvesting resources, and fighting…not sure about that piece

But it doesn’t look like weapon quality will be tied to using it

[left edge]

The more I hear about Ark 2 the less interested I am… LOL

[blissful perch]

In fairness it’s still a survival game rather than a COD game

But I also would love to have a trusty favorite tool rather than constantly needing to repair and remake everything

[native harbor]

ty

[empty lake]

Bruh

When is ts coming out?

[fallow niche]

End of 2024, currently

[digital pulsar]

At this point never lol

[north grail]

If they just poured the remaster effort into ark 2, they would have double the pop at least and be able to ground up the dlc and mod monetisation, which is clearly the goal. Y'all missed the boat on ark 1, they didn't rebuild the titanic

[untold ingot]

Spoken like a true discord business major

[obsidian ermine]

im convinced wildcard has forgotten about ark 2

[rancid lagoon]

they so focused on getting asa good I dont blame 'em 😭

[obsidian ermine]

im still of the thought they should have put the effort into ark2

ark 1 was and still is going very strong

[winged dome]

Don't forget, the community completely shat on Ark2 - demanding instead Ark1 but better - thus ASA

[split dove]

in other words for the vocal majority of the community: You get what you freaking deserve 🔫

[mint swan]

No they didn't

Ark 2 will be graphically different than asa though like really good graphics compared to asa in which the graphics are not so good and looks like ark 1 but a bit better

[untold ingot]

Um, graphically ark2 will be very similar to Asa. Being as it's the same company on the same engine, with much of the same tools

[green hedge]

might as well delete this channel and bring it back the last 5 years leading up to release

[pine basin]

I never asked and still got it

[winged dome]

So
Bob met Meeka.
Does that mean Bob could be a returning character in Ark2 🤔

[thick moat]

and on the right of the promo image for the adventure pack dlcs the guy with the skull mask has like tek scrap weapons from the modular weapon concept art, im starting to think they are gonna cancel ark 2 and add all the ideas to ASA in some way or another, maybe not the gameplay, but interactive environments, npcs, events with creatures and maybe better AI

and them mentioning Meeka out of nowhere honestly reinforces this theory further for me

[empty mural]

Make ark 2 ❌
Remake ark 1, add most feature you were gonna out in ark 2 and make people buy bigger space cause at the end of the day, ark will take 1tb of space ✅

[solar agate]

Well guess everyone might want to invest in a external hard drives for their systems, if not done so already. 😅

[thick moat]

External hard drives? U can't play the game without everything being on the same hard drive right?

If anythinf we should be upgrading our storage🤓👆

[solar agate]

External hard drives is extra storage and if you get the correct kind for one’s system then yes your able to use it to play many games. We use them for ours to be able to keep up with all our games.

[thick moat]

oh so u could have the dlcs on an external hard drive and the base game on something else?

[blissful perch]

🙏 may you be wrong and instead that imagery is for lore that’s meant to build up to ark 2

That would be a heartbreaking moment for me to be here for so long only to have the idea of a better ark yanked out from under me

[thick moat]

I hope i am wrong🙏 but hey maybe ark 2 will exist but on ASA lol

[blissful perch]

They won’t change the combat or progression in Asa to be ark 2

I wouldn’t mind some stuff being test driven in Asa tho, but I do also want my ark 2 😅

[pine basin]

I'm saying this for a while, but some people think it isn't a good idea. I mean I would love to see the new rex, saber, carno etc in ASA. Just as a test.

But of course, not just that. World events and some kind of enemies controlled by AI would also be awesome

I just got sad again remebering all the good stuff Ark 2 was supposed to have

[blissful perch]

I think I remember this discussion. Didn’t I say that it wouldn’t happen tho because it would change the ark 1 status quo and piss people off?

[pine basin]

The thing is, people are already pissed, so... LOL

[blissful perch]

Not wrong lmao. Which is why I said rip the bandaid off with breeding and everything else

But I do get the risk when it comes to changing up a formula that ultimately worked to get tons of players. You want to change things to be better, but what “better” is (be it for Asa or ark 2) isn’t the same for everyone

[pine basin]

Look at the "Frontier's Pack" DLC and this last art concept they've published in the latest CC. They are not afraid to change or implement new features. They are just doing it wrong (at least IMO).

I mean, at first (march 2023) I was cool with the release of ASA and a year or so later we would get Ark 2

But... I thought ASA would be a 6 month development (I thought by now we would have all cannon and non-cannon ASE maps with all the old creatures).

And we would be getting lots of new info about Ark 2, and it would be an imminent release

Instead, we are in the dark

[blissful perch]

I will admit Asa has much more than I had thought it would have. But I also agree the total shutdown of movement on ark 2 has kind of sucked

Then again, I was also hoping Asa would get rid of KO tames

[pine basin]

That's something I'm not sure they intend to change for Ark 2

[blissful perch]

Given we haven’t seen a new creature with a KO tame in a long time, I’m feeling like that’s the trend

[pine basin]

But I'm not sure just getting eggs/claiming babies I would consider better

[blissful perch]

I’m certainly on the fence about certain non-KO methods, but I also really like a lot of them on paper. Stuff like bringing very specific food (shadowmane), needing to hunt with the tame (amarga and hawk), or even what I’ve seen from the gigantoraptor…while in practice I’m a bit worried at how inconsistent it feels, it’s really interesting and exciting to not just spam tranqs and wait around

[pine basin]

Look, if they deliver the rest they've been promising, I would just ignore how boring taming and breeding is right now.

I just want all the other features promissed for Ark 2 and I would be good

[blissful perch]

The combat, events, knowledge system, and component crafting? Or something else?

[pine basin]

All of them. Those and also PVE humanoids that would attack us, new World map, creature migrations etc.

I don't even remember all of them, but it was very promissing. Also the new combat system looked awesome.

[blissful perch]

Ah right. Imo all that kinda depends on breeding being better

Because a migration is kinda worthless if a herd of herbivores is all one bite killed by your mutated tames

Taming is the only kinda odd one out. The reason that I think it’s important to change is mostly because it’s such a central component to ark’s core of “taming survival”. And I doubt anyone really enjoys sitting around waiting for tames to come up. The hype part is the chase and the KO

[winged dome]

We haven't seen anything regarding the combat system other than 'Souls-like', which is still a pretty vague term

[blissful perch]

After palworld I’m also a bit nervous about the Aratai. Because in palworld it’s just annoying when you get raided by kinda stupid ai characters. Personal choice ig

[winged dome]

I don't think there will be much improvement over AI raids due to the nature of open world basebuilding just adds so much complexity. Maybe at best, AI goons will try and prioritize certain structures like defenses or generators to shut down a base, but I highly doubt we'll see any actually intelligent AI anytime soon

Lots of easy pathfinding traps/fatal funnels make them little more than occasional nuisances anyway

[blissful perch]

What I prefer ai raids do is act as deterrence from some map areas

[winged dome]

Zone/difficulty variance ala Conan?

[blissful perch]

So instead of spawning them tower defense style, they exist in certain territories and will act like a hazard for any base that’s set up there or a threat to anyone walking nearby. Similar to how it’s done in far cry primal (idk about Conan)

[winged dome]

Conan is basically like Palworld - occasional raids but they pull from a local pool. 'Higher level' zones will have much harder raids than Noobtown for example

Despite actual player progression/gear level

[blissful perch]

I kinda hate that it feels like a chore to go back and defend base

[winged dome]

Yeah, thats one thing I didn't like about Conan but did like about Palworld - Palworld raids only happen if you're already at base. Conan, any time, and any base with online players

It'd suck to travel the entire map to get local rare resources, just to get a raid notification

[pine basin]

There's also those mechanics that depending on where you hit your opponent there will be different consequences, like broken legs, arms etc

Even on creature vs creature fight would be awesome, instead of just smashing the mouse button

[winged dome]

I honestly don't remember if that was a confirmed feature, or player speculation

Neat if it was, all for it

[pine basin]

confirmed by Jesse actually

it was on that "founder's something something" they did at some point

I will look for it and quote exactly what he said

[split dove]

For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!

[pine basin]

This is it, thanks

[blissful perch]

I did fear that the new combat only applied to players, but MH style hitzones would be amazing

[blissful perch]

Also yes. This sucks. Even in palworld it was annoying mid base build to get raided from a weird direction that made no sense

I’d much rather have the danger exist in the landscape and then you choose to build nearby…it makes the threat of raids much more of a choice/risk rather than a repetitive base maintenance activity

[stray elm]

Think a way to fix this is that you'll only get raided if you're nearby an Aratai camp, and/or have a proper pathfinding towards your base that the game can detect.

[untold ingot]

Might just be me. But actually I think this would be amazing. Would keep you on your toes and make the game feel less passive, which ark desperately needs

[blissful perch]

The events actually having an impact on your base (migration causing creatures to collide with your stuff or an event being Aratai set up near your base then raid it) is imo not quite the same as a set timer before repetitive raids on any base that will feel like a chore

Events would be good, but raids on a timer would be just as passive as anything else after the novelty wears off

[young anvil]

Is ark 2 only a story mode game?

[fallow niche]

No, the steam page has all currently known game information. It is in the pinned messages.

[untold ingot]

Well, if you want something that will never be repetitive, then gaming probably isn't the thing. It's all about finding what kind of repetition you enjoy

If you don't want to something to be passive when the novelty wears off, you have to play pvp, or wait for a few years for when Ai can outsmart you

[blissful perch]

I think there’s a pretty plausible gap between “do a chore every 30 minutes” and “over the course of your playthrough you may encounter events that you need to respond and react to”. Even if after a thousand hours you’ve seen all the events, it’s easy to imagine a scenario where they don’t feel like a chore off the bat.

[mint swan]

is this real xD

[coral phoenix]

TBF, lots of current gen non-generative AI can outsmart most people. 🙏

[untold ingot]

Only if people don't know or don't care. I have never played a game where the Ai outsmarted me, (except chess. But that's a special case). Most games the Ai has to out cheat you to come close to competeing

[mint swan]

GTA 7 before ark 2 🫨

[clear scarab]

🤫🧏‍♂️

[mint swan]

you did not mew me

[dark nest]

You think ark 2 will come out on ps5 eventually?

[serene onyx]

Maybe after a year or two

[glad glacier]

By the time that happens I’d think the game would be outta commission

[orchid solar]

Yeah ark 2 basically seems like it will be conan exiles but with dinosaurs and worse building mechanics anyways, as much as I love ark I’m pretty sure almost all of their energy is going into salvaging ASA, well most likely get something half baked at launch because we keep begging for a release and then they will try to bug fix to keep the game alive

[thorny rain]

asa has less players then ase to

[verbal wind]

conan with dinosaurs sounds almost perfect honestly

[orchid solar]

Hopefully then bringing it to game pass will get some more people on asa

[thorny rain]

i guess jus wish it was optimized

[orchid solar]

Amen, that’s been my only complaint with ark has been the combat

[verbal wind]

if we could get conan gameplay with ark setting/taming/etc, that would be amazing

and asa building

[orchid solar]

No I’d rather have Conan building honestly

[verbal wind]

i like most of conan building but it has some small issues here and there

[orchid solar]

And a mix of Conan and Ark dungeons

[orchid solar]

I do too, idk what it is but ark building always makes me angry

[verbal wind]

what i don't like with conan's higher tier buildings is what resources it takes to build simple structures

i never went past sandstone buildings because of the hoops you started to have to jump through to get enough resources

[orchid solar]

It really doesn’t take much to build better structures but it’s certainly a bit of a hassle, I play with friends mostly and I know the game really well though so I could see how it would be hard for new players

[orchid solar]

Conan’s building in general is better than arks though, plus the structures look a lot better

[verbal wind]

its a mix for me.

[untold ingot]

I think Asa builds better than Conan now

[verbal wind]

ark and conan both have good structures

[untold ingot]

Ase building was just bad. Because doors were always too short 🤣

[orchid solar]

I think being able to climb in Conan contributes a lot to the fun of the building in it, also all the structure pieces have a distinct look unlike asa and ase which is kinda boring

[verbal wind]

never forget having to build extra pieces because inevitably a few would smash existing pieces

[fallow niche]

@vestal canopy
This channel is only for Ark 2. Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[vestal canopy]

Crap i typed here im sorry

[viscid marlin]

This game still exist

[marble basin]

It hasnt come out yet so no

[left arch]

any day now boys

probably tomorrow even definitely

[tulip tide]

Thought they given up on ark 2 by now

[pine basin]

Not officially/publicly, but they’ve completely stopped talking about it for a year now. And that happened after saying they would talk more about it.

[open fjord]

Personally not expecting Ark 2 to release while ASA is still releasing content. I'd figure Ark 2 would drop sometime (maybe a year) after ASA's content feed ends.
Doesn't really make much sense to self-compete (hence why official support for ASE ended before ASA released; though, they should have avoided the gap we ended up with, imho).

[solid dome]

What if the "Surprise" for ASA is actually something not related at all to ASA but its Ark 2? We would not expect it that's for sure, would be a crazy surprise

[brave notch]

When ark 2 releasing?

[split dove]

current ETA is end of 2024 for now

[drowsy bison]

2026

[glad halo]

2620

[pseudo burrow]

Lets be real here, that aint happening😭

[peak field]

When pigs fly

[indigo hamlet]

haha

[craggy tundra]

Out of the blue on a midsummer day. 🤣

[molten saddle]

After Gta 7

[tall zenith]

Though they had some paid beta come out?

[marble basin]

That was asa

[mossy monolith]

ark 2 gonna come out after gta 6 😭

[glass robin]

So, do you have a good news about Ark 2 ?

[pine basin]

Good news? It's not canceled (yet).

Bad news? They seem to be 100% focused on ASA, and it will get new content updates all the way through the end of 2025.

[astral vigil]

Not canceld? A man can dream

[pine basin]

Not yet no. But they are not talking about it for ~1 year now. I don't have much hope Ark 2 will be released this year. I actually think it's going to be canceled eventually (unless ASA makes so much money they can revisit Ark 2, which doesn't seem to be the case).

[untold ingot]

I mean, one of the advertised reasons for asa is to fund ark2. And ark2 is already in contracts. So I doubt theyll fold now

[winged aurora]

Also would surprise me if they used how asa was done to try an make ark2 actually playable unlike asa at times, pls I beg for better optimization

[pine basin]

It depends on how successful ASA is compared to what they were expecting. We have an idea how much ASA has sold, but we don't know how many copies they needed to sell to break even, or how many copies they needed to sell to profit and fund the Ark 2 project. ASA isn't doing well (IMO), so I don't know Ark 2 is viable right now. Also they decided to stay silent about Ark 2, we don't even know if they are still developing it, or they are all focusing exclusively on ASA.

TLDR: We don't even know if ASA is funding ASA's developement. So we have no idea if ASA will be able to fund ARK 2's development.

[winged aurora]

I'll be real I think and just me there best thing going forward, post map transfers , is to A) make ark2 a series of expansions to ascended maybe or B) if they need money make more maps that aren't cannon

[blissful perch]

Asa may be attractive to outside investment too and may be earning that on top of sales

Short answer is that it’s hard to tell, and it also kinda doesn’t matter. Eventually WC will need a new something and there’s no reason to believe it won’t be ark 2

[pine basin]

I'm just saying the whole picture isn't good: 1 - taking too long to release new content 2 - active player base shrank super fast. I'm not so sure they are attractive to new investment. Again, we don't have precise numbers, everything is based on public info.

No money means no Ark 2

And yeah, they will need a new title eventually, but in ~2 years

[blissful perch]

I would hope things like official support drop before ark 2 if money ever gets so tight WC can’t afford to create their product (ark games)

But ark 2 may also become cheaper over time, since lengthy development during the infancy of ue5 may be more expensive than making money from the trail run (Asa) and having a more efficient development cycle for ark 2 when WC pivots to that

[untold ingot]

Game has been out like 4 months. Ase was out for a year before it got scorched. They aren't making progress

[pine basin]

Progression is much faster now. We had tek stuff day one this time. They don't have the same time they had for ASE. Also, it's been 5 months already. I mean, I'm just assessing the data. The numbers are way lower than they were for ASE at this same point of the development.

The important aspect here is, Ark 2 IMO is at stake

I believe Ark 2 would (or will) have a much slower pace

[untold ingot]

The joint numbers between Asa and ase have been stable to what ase had. They are slightly lower, but that was due more to people being upset over circumstance of launch than the game being bad

As of right now there are 40k people in both. Whereas the average for ase in its height was 45kish

[winged aurora]

And if better optimization occurs +SE release should boost it a decent bit

[untold ingot]

The people who aren't playing aren't playing because they are mad at wc. Optimization won't change that

[winged aurora]

Imo ASE servers should've stayed till Asa had all its maps

[winged aurora]

Fair

[untold ingot]

That's a lot of wasted money

[winged aurora]

True but I mean at the very least phase it out so when SE releases remove SE servers or something

[untold ingot]

It's over and done with now

Doesn't make any difference. Most ase players didn't even play official anyway

[pine basin]

No they haven’t. But even if they were, WC doesn’t make any money from ASE anymore, so it won’t help funding Ark 2.

[untold ingot]

Everytime I have looked at the numbers in the last 3 months it's been roughly 15k Asa, 25k ase. That's pretty stable

[pine basin]

That’s my hope. I even got back playing ASA waiting for it.

[untold ingot]

True. But ark is not cod. The playerbase isn't forced over just to be able to play

[winged aurora]

I'll give wc that I would play cod if it weren't for that :/

[pine basin]

Look at the ASE graphs before officials went off, then compare to ASE + ASA.

Ase was consistently in the top10 Steam games until the very end

Asa was also really fine for the first weeks, then…

But my whole point here is, will they be able to fund Ark 2?

If so, when they plan to release Ark 2? In two years?

[pine basin]

Just a FYI, I quit because there wasn’t anything left to do. Old players will beat bosses and overseer really fast. Unless you are pvping, you will leave fast.

I don’t know if they have 2 years to roll out all the content and then move to Ark 2

This is why I’m not really hopeful

[winged aurora]

As long as Ark 2 isn't a cyberpunk 2077 launch we are chilling

[tranquil fiber]

i don’t care how long they take as long as they release a complete game

[pine basin]

It will definitely be, I assure you

[untold ingot]

With an average of 45k

[winged aurora]

Current steam charts 45 is just top 25, don't get me wrong 45k concurrent players is still good and that's just steam alone there's epic, Playstation, xbox,

[pine basin]

It was more than that, ~60k.

[winged dome]

We already know its going to be released as Early Access, so there goes that hope 😂

[untold ingot]

It usually peaked at 60k

[tranquil fiber]

the main part of the reason ark isnt generating interest anymore is because they seem to have 0 marketing budget. i haven’t seen any ark promotion since like 2020 and i am IN ARK SPACES

[winged aurora]

But how many went to console for asa cuz there pc was dog

[untold ingot]

Like yeah, numbers are down, but who cares?

[tranquil fiber]

early access is one thing, you know the game is not complete in that. it’s when they release the full game and it’s a mess (like 2077) that it’s a problem

[untold ingot]

Ark2 will be early access. Pretty much guaranteed

[winged dome]

With ASA, WC actually had a chance to get things right. But they didn't, rushed release and are still cleaning up the mess

[untold ingot]

They are working on a new codebase (believe it or not) and that takes time. They have made a lot of significant gameplay improvements already

[tranquil fiber]

i haven’t lost complete faith in wildcard but i don’t have high expectations either

[pine basin]

Nitrado cares, Microsoft cares. Well, at least ASA is on Gamepass, Some new money flow for them, but if the numbers aren’t great, it will be out.

[winged dome]

That I don't disagree, but 90% of their updates and 'improvements' should have been done before the game was released to the public

[untold ingot]

Nitrado had confidence enough to sign a 7 year contract

For ark2

[fallow niche]

Can move the asa stuff to any other channel above this category

[pine basin]

That’s where I am right now. Not sure if ark 2 is coming out, but still around here if it happens to be released 😂

[untold ingot]

I mean sure. But if all the gamers come at it trying to be sidekick analysts and marketing experts, of course it will die 🤣

[winged aurora]

True I mean asa being on game pass is huge for the game icl should bring in a lot of players who don't wanna buy the game outright, and they should be getting a good chunk of cash from it to help fund ark 2 as iirc ark 2 will also come to it

[untold ingot]

The ark franchises niche has always been longevity. And Asa is too recent to judge it's longevity

[tranquil fiber]

i have no doubt that ark 2 will draw in big numbers if wildcard learns what a marketing budget is

[winged aurora]

Wouldn't surprise me if someone like microsoft bought out wildcard cuz then they would have 0 funding issues

[pine basin]

We are just conjecturing. That’s pretty much what we have left for now. No new info for a while, and their statements are always evasive. So it is what it is. Would be great if they at least could say: we are still working on Ark 2.

[untold ingot]

Scorched is coming out in like 5 days wdym there is no new info lol

[pine basin]

Not a chance, TBF. They’ve just put a lot of money and effort on the blizzard purchase. They will take some time before they are ready to buy new studios, they need some money back first.

[pine basin]

Are you sure you will believe in that?

Looking their history, I wouldn’t bet on that

[untold ingot]

They have never done a massive delay on a dated release date 5 days before launch. Maybe it delays a week, but it's coming very promptly

[untold ingot]

Microsoft failed hard on blizzard purchase lol. Cod died hard the last few years 😂

[winged aurora]

True but this is a company that could buy out Sony like 10 times over if they wanted + I mean it would be a small purchase compared to blizzard and likely be more structured as a way to fund

[winged aurora]

Didn't help that company's like Sony and Google so badly wanted to stop it, where Sony wanted to stop it in "fear" they wouldn't get cod anymore

[pine basin]

They have the money, but the blizzard purchase showed governments are not willing to let that kind of fusion happen.

[untold ingot]

I would greatly prefer that wc doesn't end up in Microsofts hands lol

[pine basin]

It would be cool for me, Ark 2 would be out by now

Infinite money and all

[winged aurora]

Ye but I mean they let Sony buyout crunchyroll so 🤷‍♂️ which almost effectively gave them a monopoly on western anime streaming

[untold ingot]

With .01% the vision and dedication

[pine basin]

You can’t compare. But yeah, they are not always fair.

[pine basin]

I mean, the devs would be the same

Microsoft would just publish it

[tranquil fiber]

not necessarily true

[winged aurora]

Issue is today everyone is so damn picky with games, as long as ark 2 is not like the new pokemon games graphics in the sense that they had 3 or so years to make a game but had worse graphics and playability then the old games

[pine basin]

Internet is a toxic waste compound 😂

[winged aurora]

I miss the good old days not being in uni and just enjoying games for what they where

[tranquil fiber]

gaming community puts way too much stock on graphics over a good game

[pine basin]

Graphics are important also, we can have both. There are games that have both.

[winged aurora]

Tbf ark 2 being delayed is good hear me out

[tranquil fiber]

i didn’t say graphics aren’t important. but a lot of gamers seem to throw games away if the graphics aren’t perfectly crisp completely even if the game is solid

to the point where companies now focus more on the visuals than the actual gameplay and story

[pine basin]

Which specific game are you talking about? There are a lot of indie games being praised by the community

[winged aurora]

With constant need for better systems to play new games it gives company's like nividia amd and intel to improve things like dlss and furthermore allows for more time to be given into cpu and gpu creation and with a new series of cards asa and ark 2 in theory would be alot more playable than they currently are where you need a 2k graphics card just for epic setting to run well

[pine basin]

The thing is, they delayed it so much they’ve lost momentum

[winged aurora]

Ye I get that but at least when it release many systems should be able to actually run it unlike asa currently

[pine basin]

The community is already falling apart (for more than a year I’d say).

[pine basin]

The question is how many users will still be around willing to play it

[pine basin]

Palworld was a huge hit, and it looks like a cartoon

I’d prefer Wc don’t go this way. I like reallistic looking games

[winged aurora]

Just wait till another pandemic and where stuck in homes and boom ark 2 released lmfao

[pine basin]

People don’t invest so much money to play low quality games. Both the history and graphics (also all other technical aspects) are important

[pine basin]

Please no.

The pandemic was bad for the gaming industry, another one and we would see a lot of studios closing their doors

It was good for the games that were about to release though

[tranquil fiber]

the pandemic was bad for every industry 💀

except the facemask industry

[winged aurora]

Lol tbf if I where wc I would split development into to 3 sections A) Asa main map development B) Asa new maps that are paid C) ark 2

[winged aurora]

It had the best air quality though

[pine basin]

Sure, but some people think just because steam numbers skyrocketed in the pandemic, the gaming industry was healthy. But truth be told, they faced a lot of issues

[pine basin]

But last time they had a development update stream Jeremy said they were fully focused on Asa. But what about Ark 2?

Like I said before, it’s been a year of complete radio silence about Ark 2

[winged aurora]

Ye

[untold ingot]

Palworld died ridiculously fast

[winged aurora]

Made the company hundred upon hundred of million of dollars so they ain't complaining

[pine basin]

thank god

[pine basin]

true

[untold ingot]

Every survival game in the last 5 years people have called the ark killer, but none of them hold up over time

[winged aurora]

Rust

[untold ingot]

Rust is older than ark lol

[winged aurora]

Yet it's doing better

Although I'll play ark as I don't wanna be called slurs every two seconds in rust

[untold ingot]

Rust is a different genre almost than ark

[winged aurora]

Foundation is the same main difference is one has dinos other doesn't

[untold ingot]

60% of arks pop is pve. And ark has longevity per server in a way rust can't maintain

[pine basin]

But WC was never able to monetize it over time

So it's more a cost than anything

[untold ingot]

Dlc monetizes over time

[pine basin]

I'm pretty sure someone shared the info about the DLC sales around here, they were pretty low. Like really low compared to the sales of the base game.

But I know server owners who made a lot of money with their in-game shops LOL

[untold ingot]

If wc made a buy a cryo thing for official they would make a killing, right as all their long term base quit

[pine basin]

Hence why I've said above they lost momentum

I know people hate mtx, but it's a solid source of money

the dev just needs to balance what it will sell

like dragon's dogma selling teleports, this is too much LOL

[blissful perch]

If you’re going to run a game as service model, it makes logical sense to monetize that gameplay. However, it’s always been dubious for me that ark is solely about endless progression and endgame play. Most content I see for ark is focused on either endgame PvP (sizable but not the majority) and a massive amount of content that ends and restarts fairly consistently with some new twist

[untold ingot]

Most ark content is actually more geared towards midgame pve lol

[blissful perch]

Then it’s even more unclear to me that ark the series has to rely so heavily on endless longevity. The appeal is toward surviving with tons of creatures that can be tamed and played with, so it follows that a payment model for additional content generally (the current dlc model) seems pretty strong

Though the focus on midgame PvE is a fascinating proposition unless you assume midgame is pre overseer

[untold ingot]

Yeah, pretty much.

If you aren't beating overseer in a week of casual play, you are honestly delaying it

Gamma overseer is extremely easy

[winged aurora]

How many hours of game play you think in a week is casual

[blissful perch]

I was gonna say most casuals play about 4-6 hours a week tops

[winged aurora]

I spent 5 hours looking for a doedicurus :/

[blissful perch]

And if you’re taking 1-2 hours to tame anything to get started (assuming it’s a KO tame and you just sit there), that’s already a week just to get basics

[untold ingot]

If it's an important pvp tame in pvp, like a giga or quetz I can see you watching the progress bar. But if you sit and watch taming bars you are playing the game not only slow, but weird lol.

[winged aurora]

Tbf I do that in areas like snow when I find a high level yuti and don't want it murdered

[untold ingot]

That's one special case

[blissful perch]

Assuming you don’t watch those bars, you still need the game running or at minimum need to be there on the other side when the tame completes

[untold ingot]

And even that can be avoided with spikes

[untold ingot]

Or literally do something else while it's taming. There is nothing in ark that says you have to stay in the region of a dino taming for it to tame

And in Asa you literally have free prime everywhere, getting an argy takes 2 minutes

[blissful perch]

Ok, but that’s still let’s say 2-3 hours to get basic tames, even if you’re doing other things

Did they massively buff taming rates in Asa? Last I checked, a medium sized tame still takes a while to tame

[winged aurora]

Your name made me really want a pure ocean map all of a sudden :/

[blissful perch]

Good. That’s what I want for ark 2

[wild stirrup]

Server 5439 down

[blissful perch]

I want NO ocean in ark 2 on launch, then a fully designed ocean map with a huge amount of ocean specific content

[untold ingot]

And in those same 2-3 hours you can already have a raft base with essentials going, so right when your argy tames you are going for metal mountains.

[winged aurora]

I think you guys just play way to effiently

[blissful perch]

Assuming you’re a casual that is doing everything right, which I’ll accept for this point, that period is one of your two play sessions for the week

[untold ingot]

I mean, it depends on your rates. But I have beat most maps except ext and gen in less than 24 hours

[blissful perch]

Doing all caves and the bosses alone is a 2-3 hour affair for most players unless I’m wildly wrong

[winged aurora]

Aha but breeding and mutations will take time on regular rates

[untold ingot]

There is no cave that takes 2 hours in asa

[blissful perch]

No casual is gonna be doing things that fast - but I think we’re talking casual timelines for gamma overseer

[untold ingot]

Why do you need those?

[blissful perch]

Where breeding and mutations aren’t required

[winged aurora]

Cuz I have 0 faith in myself

[untold ingot]

Playing ultra efficient, you need like 3 tames and a sword to beat the entire map.

[blissful perch]

ALL caves and bosses on the island are surely at minimum 2-3 hours. Add that to the 2-3 for the raft/metal and that’s your casual 6 hours for the week

[untold ingot]

Casual gamers spend like 2 hours a day playing, and more on weekends

6 hours a week for a gamer is honestly not thst common

Especially in ark

[blissful perch]

That’s not casual gamers with jobs lol. That’s a dedicated player who’s not efficient

[untold ingot]

Um, what

[blissful perch]

If you’re clocking in 10-20 hours a week on ark that’s not casual gaming

[untold ingot]

... For ark? Yes it is

[winged aurora]

I spent 20 hours on ark in the past 3 days (25% getting settings that look good and give good fps) and I'd say I'm pretty casual

[untold ingot]

Statistically the average gamer plays 8-10 hours of gameplay every week. (Google statistics) ark attracts a more dedicated playerbase, where 10-25 hours a week is not unheard of

For the average player

[blissful perch]

Ok, so 8-10 hours for a casual to beat the overseer is pretty tight

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they know the game? Not much

[blissful perch]

You beating the overseer in 8-10 hours? Since you claimed yourself casual

[untold ingot]

Put 3x rates (very common, 10x is actually extremely common) it takes like no time at all

[untold ingot]

I thought we established that ark players generally play more than the average gamer for other games lol

[winged aurora]

Yeah no I just got a 145 yuti and struggling to find any good rexes or megatheriums, I do 2x harvest and tame speed on single player

[blissful perch]

You stated it, but all I would agree with is that ark players play longer contiguous sessions than other gamers

I know plenty of folks who play two 3ish hour sessions on the weekends and that’s it for the week for ark

[untold ingot]

They are outliers, not averages for ark

[blissful perch]

Do you have an average for ark?

[untold ingot]

I don't even know why we are arguing this. If the game is hard for you, then sure make it hard. It's really not

[blissful perch]

What I have is the helpful stat you provided on the average casual gamer’s hours per week, and that 4.8% of all ase players beat gamma overseer (includes cheating on sp, high rates, etc)

[untold ingot]

You know how many ark "players" there are?

[blissful perch]

How many ark players (no quote marks) are there?

[untold ingot]

2 millionish

Out of that 2 million, 300k actively play

[blissful perch]

But here, let me try to make another estimate. Since this point is that most players don’t focus on endgame because they don’t beat the final boss to get there - 55.9% of players survive one night on an ark. Of those, let’s say it’s about a 9.6% clear rate on gamma overseer

[untold ingot]

4% of 2 million is 80k. That's like 30% of the playerbase.

[blissful perch]

I have no clue where you got 2 million or even 300k, but even assuming that, in the entire life of ASE only 30% of players actually cleared the gamma overseer? Seems a bit low

[untold ingot]

2 million is a low estimate of the number of sales (which is closely related to the 100% of players counted in achievements). 300kish is the number reported by snail in their tax documents of active playerbase

[blissful perch]

Do we have snail’s definition of active?

[untold ingot]

Daily

You can look up the document

[blissful perch]

Meaning 300k unique users per day?

[untold ingot]

Windows and Xbox sales for ark total were 5.5 million accounts. Steam probably made similar numbers. So 4% of 5.5 million is 220k, or 70% of the active daily playerbase that have beaten the overseer

[untold ingot]

Yes

[blissful perch]

That does assume it’s the same 300k users each day

Would be nice to know how many of those are playing every day vs number of unique users per day

[untold ingot]

Yes. I made a bunch of simplifying assumptions.

Either way, I estimate the number of people who have beaten the overseer that would count as relatively active players is between 30% and 70%.

On official, that probably is closer to 90% due to how easy it is to find a group that will take you

[blissful perch]

It’s probably lower given you can cheat it in SP, but those bounds unfortunately are more uninformative than I thought

[untold ingot]

Probably not that much lower

[blissful perch]

Official is likely the skew towards beating overseer for sure

But again, I think ark’s “post overseer gameplay” being the sole draw is missing something given how often people restart off officials

Which, for ark 2, makes me curious about how WC intends to handle progression and their endgame structure

[untold ingot]

Post overseer gameplay is average pvp gameplay, and average official pve gameplay

[blissful perch]

PvP is going to play with whatever endgame is, so that’s an obvious assumption

Official PvE is weird because it seems to rapidly decay players

[untold ingot]

Maybe

[blissful perch]

My question is what the remaining massive chunk of unofficials and SP gets up to, and what works for them. Is endgame more important than replayability? It’s something I’ve seen a split on in terms of content being created and posted, but that’s not always a clean measure of what players are doing

[untold ingot]

I mean, you could play the game, and you would get a pretty good indication of it

[blissful perch]

True, I wish I had spent more time on officials and unofficials polling people about their preferences and how often they restart or want to restart

[untold ingot]

Either way, ark is not hard game, but it takes some time.

Ark2 won't be different from thst by much

[blissful perch]

I hope that’s wrong. Would love to see ark 2 demand more skill

[untold ingot]

Specifically what skill? Because Asa requires skill too lol

[gusty jewel]

Is ark 2 a rip off

[tranquil fiber]

we dont know, it doesn't exist yet

[split jacinth]

Hi all

So many new names here

👀

[wooden kestrel]

Is ark 2 still coming? 😳 It just got brushed under the carpet 🙄 we need some gameplay

[winged dome]

Supposedly, but no news for a while. Gameplay reveal was promised sometime this year, but WC gonna WC

[ripe flicker]

I would not even think about it, they got too many hands on ASA rn

[tranquil fiber]

i have a feeling we’ll get another trailer at TGA, with a low possibility of release date announcement

[pine basin]

Not happening, TGA is mostly aimed to new announcements, I’m not sure but I think it’s a bit pricey to have an spot there. There are other most effective means to release this trailer, like the Xbox event in June (Ark 2 is supposedly a release exclusive).

But being reallistic, I’m not expecting anything this year or the next. ASA is their priority until they release all the content.

[stray elm]

If they're going to show anything this year, it'll probably be at another Xbox event, as that's been the case for two years now.

[main gust]

is ark2 gonna be singleplayer or multiplayer?

[fallow niche]

Read the pinned messages. Steam page has all info.

[old hearth]

ً

[slender sable]

Is this ascended?

[split dove]

no, Ascended is the remake of Ark Survival Evolved. Ark 2 is the sequel to Ark and is slated for a end of 2024 release (for now)

[pine basin]

Also ASA is a reality, Ark 2 is a dream (or nightmare)

[fallow niche]

@static goblet #bobs-with-probs.

@cerulean pelican #general for non Ark 2 content. Wait for #announcements.

[abstract prism]

Ark 2 coming out in 2045.

[tranquil fiber]

awfully optimistic, wouldn’t you think

[tardy spruce]

I was thinking 2420

[mint swan]

ark 2 coming 6969

[tranquil fiber]

ark 2 coming out alongside the winds of winter and the doors of stone

[lavish echo]

hi

[fallow niche]

@open stirrup
This channel is only for Ark 2. Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[open stirrup]

Ohh sorry

[forest crater]

Does any one no when this is "supposed" to come out

[ripe yoke]

End of 2024

[abstract haven]

When coming out ark2?

[lavish echo]

hi

[tiny geode]

Ark 2 was indefinitely delayed and that was announced SEVERAL crunches ago

[pine basin]

That's not true. Last time they talked about Ark 2 release they've said it would release at the end of this year. They've stopped talking about it though, for ~1 year now.

[tiny geode]

They said in a few crunches, prior to the centers indefinite delay, that ark 2 was infinitely delayed

If i can ill try n find it but its not on the main page

[pine basin]

Again, that's not true, it's been a year without them talking about it. I think you missunderstood something.

What they've said and caused a fuzz was in their last stream, they've said all their resources would be directed to ASA. So the community implied Ark 2 developement would be put on a pause. But they never said that themselves.

And yeah, I think it's not coming this year or the next, but that's not official info. Official info is: end of 2024.

[tiny geode]

Istg i saw it in a crunch stating delayed indefinitely.

[fallow niche]

It would have been pinned here if that were the case.

[tiny geode]

Deja Vu istg lol

[fallow niche]

I've said it a lot tbf lol

[sonic skiff]

When did Snailgames say ARK 2 would come out late 2024??? All the gaming news places say they did but I cant find where/when

[stray elm]

Wildcard stated themselves a few months ago in a Community Crunch

[sonic skiff]

aight, Ill hunt it down

[stray elm]

Believe it was the same one with the first roadmap.
The one that first revealed ASA, showed the sabertooth concept art

Actually, that'd be a year ago tomorrow.

[sonic skiff]

found it. Its a year ago today

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/

and according to gamesradar there has been no update or info on dates beyond that apart from steam moving it to "To be announced"

[lofty needle]

The timeline for ASA will probably go through 2026.

[pine basin]

The TBA from Steam is there since June 2022 when they've released their second trailer at the XBOX Showcase and released the Steam page.

Back then they've postponed Ark from 2022 to 2023 (but some other postponements came after that).

[sonic skiff]

ah okay. I missed that then. so novemberish is still prolly our best shot

[abstract prism]

Ark 2 is no more.

[safe smelt]

Whenever they get their debts paid Ark 2 will be released.

[abstract prism]

If Ark 2 comes out before 2030 it will be a miracle.

[tranquil fiber]

delays will continue until morale improves

[sonic skiff]

Until that it put out by wild card/snail that is not the truth

[tranquil fiber]

its a joke bud

[tranquil fiber]

ark 2 will be releasing onside anticipated fantasy novels "the winds of winter" by george r.r. martin and patrick rothfuss' "the doors of stone."

[upbeat crescent]

Ya casi

Almost there

[lavish echo]

hi

[ionic dew]

hi

[sleek vale]

the real Ark 2 was the friends we made along the way

[hybrid mulch]

is ark 2 coming out or is this just scorched?

[winged dome]

Scorched is coming out for ASA
Ark2 is a completely separate game supposed to release towards the end of 2024

[soft galleon]

i heard ark 2 might be canceled don't quote me on it

[deft night]

yo

[velvet trellis]

huh

[tranquil fiber]

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

[mint swan]

This ain't coming till 2030

[mint swan]

alright maybe I'm being a bit too generous lets say 2040

[tranquil fiber]

we've got a new bannerlord on our hands

[thick kraken]

No gta 6 first

[mint swan]

ARK 2 will come out in 3000 years when we are all gone

[hoary matrix]

Our grandkids will play this game not us. They wont even know who Vin Diesel is by the time it drops.

[velvet sequoia]

Oh my lmao

[proud flame]

Bro even GTA 6 will be released before this💀

[mint swan]

Witcher 4 too

[abstract haven]

How many gigabytes do you think Ark 2 will take up?

[crude dagger]

probably around the same.. 40+ GB

[abstract haven]

Thanks

[ionic meteor]

That moment when you realize Bob's Tall Tales takes place during ARK2 😅

And ||Meeka is pissed at Santiago for some odd reason||

[wild condor]

Ark 2 out yet ?

[split dove]

no, currently planned for the end of 2024 (9/10 chance of it being changed)

[wild condor]

that's pretty good odds

[shy falcon]

More like 99.9...%

[untold ingot]

Does it?

[split dove]

seems to be implied Bob will be around in Ark 2's time as he's telling his tales to santiago's kid from Ark 2

Gather 'round the campfire, Survivors! Everyone who’s played has a story about the first Bob they encountered on an ARK… Now the legendary ARK veteran Bob -- voiced by Karl Urban -- is ready to share his incredibly true adventures with you for the first time! Nothing can prepare you for the wonder and two-fisted action of Bob's Tall Tales!
Piece together Bob's larger-than-life ARK saga by recovering his animated Explorer Notes! You’ll feel like you were right there with Bob from the beginning, as he describes his pivotal role in ARK’s history to young Meeka -- voiced by Auliʻi Cravalho.

[ionic meteor]

Yes it does, bob is eternal

[paper sigil]

Bobs old asf

[stray elm]

"ready to share his own incredibly true adventures with you for the first time!"
"as he describes his absolutely pivotal, undeniably central role in ARK’s history to young Meeka"
Sounds hella ironic.
The way I take the writing of the description, is that all of this isn't fully canon. Just like the Animated Series.

It's probably more teasing ARK-2 stuff like how the actors will play their roles, and teasing story bits. While using the joke character in the non-canon show.

[distant goblet]

When will it be out

[shrewd tartan]

its a bit odd since he died.. in...not spoiling

[hollow crest]

Ark 2 wont have bob. He will die with wildcard and their continued botched releases

[mint swan]

Wait ark 2 isn’t Asa

[fallow niche]

No. Ark Survival Ascended is the remaster of Ark Survival Evolved.

Ark 2 is the sequel.

[mint swan]

Cool ty

[past eagle]

is ark 2 even a thing? i thought they canceled like 20 times already?

[fallow niche]

It has never been canceled, only delayed.

[past eagle]

oh its been delayed 20 times lol

well maybe we will eventually get it....one day

[viscid marlin]

Ark 2 is a conspiracy made up by Microsoft to get people to stay loyal to Xbox(and pc but shhhh)

[stray elm]

Microsoft has no say in ARK-2's development.

[raw ether]

Give them a bit theyre waiting for stocks to drop they'll buy them out eventually.

[stray elm]

Shi-Hi seems to be the type of dude that would rather see the company die before he sells the rights.
Cause technically, he could just make a new company later on. As he'd be the rightful next owner to the ARK IP is Snail Games goes under.

[raw ether]

Always possible.

[young shell]

If we get GTA6 before Ark 2 I’m losing my shit

[lavish echo]

Ja

[robust dew]

Ark 2 will be cancelled because they are now focused on asa they should just say asa is ark 2 and add more lore maps after gen 2

We would be all happy with that

[viscid marlin]

Yeah

[crude dagger]

Ark 2 will not be cancelled, it will just be released a lot later

[mint swan]

2040

[tacit oak]

2140

[halcyon iron]

Ima be 6 ft under before it comes out at this point with 12 grandchildren trying to play it themselves

[crude dagger]

yup

[carmine citrus]

Honestly who even wants a story based souls like ark

[thick moat]

no one because it's not even a story based souls game

it's just ark with souls combat and more story elements

this misconception that it's just a dark souls story game is just made up

[winged dome]

Bro wrecked himself before he checked (the pins) himself

[thick moat]

i sweeer tuu good dud

[carmine citrus]

Still sounds lame

[thick moat]

ok

[winged dome]

Back to #general with you

[thick moat]

fr

[carmine citrus]

Womp womp

[blissful perch]

🍻 to that

[lavish echo]

ja ok

[storm acorn]

2093

[cinder nova]

dead chat

[verbal wind]

not much to talk about until we get news on ark 2

[young shell]

Let’s place bets on when we think Ark 2 is coming out

[real cobalt]

2028?

[hexed knoll]

2040

[eager shore]

2463

Maybe

[tawny juniper]

Never or just asa rerelease but first person locked and souls combat

[hexed knoll]

You mean 3rd ?

[lavish echo]

Hi

[young shell]

What does the gameplay have to do with the release date if I may ask

I may just not be understanding though

[eager shore]

2170

[torpid folio]

Its going to release like 2028 ish and will only be playable on rtx 8090s or nasa supercomputers is what im guessing. Probably the people at wildcard will be unable to run it whilst developing

[gleaming geyser]

Will be streaming ark 2 day 1, can’t wait!

[shadow field]

how about never… i am betting they tabled it forever to take advantage of the ASA release, money making opportunities, and new content stuff that is going so well, despite it all pretty much being a repeat. we are all suckers. 😂😂 and enjoying every minute of ASA. lol.

[hollow basin]

I’m still playing ASE. I can’t move my server and character there that I’ve sunk years into so why bother

Ark 2 I’ll buy bc it’s a sequel and not the same upgraded game, but I don’t mind if it’s delayed. A friend and I are playing the story maps

[sonic skiff]

Late 2024 -early 2025

[young shell]

I’d move that up a year on each estimate personally

[sonic skiff]

Until they've said so, I'm trusting their numbers. That's just me thi

[hexed knoll]

Honestly I couldn’t care less if they release ark 2 anyways the game play sounds horrible anyways

[sonic skiff]

is this entire server just anti ark??? It seems like yalls never have anything good to say about the game.

[ebon ridge]

Probably Dec 2024

[sonic skiff]

i was placing my bets closer to mid november so they could capitalize on cyber monday steam sale

or at least preorder then.

[ebon ridge]

Would ark 2 be on mobile too?

[sonic skiff]

probably not. I think UE5 is a pc only thing

[ebon ridge]

Oh

I searched on Google it said yes but if yes it wouldn't even run well

You would have like 10 fps

[sonic skiff]

probably not. Mobile
a) doesnt have much if any ram

b) has no storage

[sonic skiff]

yeah. it wouldnt be pleasant

[ebon ridge]

I'm a mobile player

[sonic skiff]

ah. sadge.

is ASE any good on mobile???

[ebon ridge]

I bought ark on ps4 until it kept crashing so I deleted the game

[ebon ridge]

Yea I've been playing on it for 3 years

It's doesn't have some dinosaurs

Like the carcha

[sonic skiff]

damn.

Thats one of my favorites

[blissful perch]

Hmm, lotta people come by and drop a single message hating on ark 2 (usually with incorrect information). Most of the regulars usually just want ark to improve in some manner in the next game of the series

[young shell]

I’m actually quite excited!

I like them removing tek and modern tech, and making it fully primitive style

I also like the idea of Soulsborn style combat, making the fighting somewhat skilled compared to the seemingly mindless combat in ASE/ASA

[blissful perch]

I’m a HUGE fan of ark 2 for similar reasons 🙂

[hexed knoll]

I don’t understand the constant hate of tek… people use the excuse that ark was just a Dino game but it was never just a primitive game things like the obelisks existed since day one and the story was clearly going in that direction

[short tiger]

phones have RAM

it's not the same as PC ram, but most major phones have around 8-12GB of RAM

plus phones usually come with 1TB storage as an option

[young shell]

I just think once you get Tek the game ends and honestly sucks. And in terms of PvP Tek fully ruins the game

[maiden smelt]

Become a PvE player after that point.

[hexed knoll]

I understand the pvp aspect but as a pve player I find tek is a good aspect of end game since it’s something you have rarely during play throughs

[blissful perch]

I find tek makes players too strong compared to the creatures in the environment, and it adds benefit (like a Jetpack) that really breaks down a lot of the core gameplay in a bad way

I have no issue with tek thematically, it’s entirely because of the power curve compared to other gear

[young shell]

^

[hexed knoll]

I have to disagree though with tek you have to work your way to the end of the game and I’m that sense it’s worth it you’re basically done the map I see no issue in pve

[blissful perch]

unless you 1) transfer items between maps (many people do) or 2) beat easy gamma bosses and use it to cheese tougher bosses. Though the primary crime in ark 1 for boss fights is that it's all a stat check rather than a skill check so I can't deny tek is a small contributor

[winged dome]

Ark1 difficulty: Have I waited log enough for my number to be bigger than the boss's/enemy turrets?

[untold ingot]

Not really how it works

[blissful perch]

*numbers. You need lots of delicious breeding numbers

[strange yarrow]

really?

[torpid folio]

idk its just a random guess / joke

[strange yarrow]

i mean more like 10090 tbh and also 2050 would be more accurate

[strange yarrow]

ye haha i know its quiet funny because its not even a lie

didnt they say ARK 2 is coming in 2029?

[noble rapids]

We will have GTA 6 before Ark 2, let's put it that way

[young shell]

Ong

[peak burrow]

Fr

[true hinge]

The good news is if it comes out in 2028, they'd probably not change the engine. So maybe just maybe then you can get a nice smooth 25fps low with an nvidia RTX 8080 which is priced at 2.5k.

[gritty plume]

nah 5 fps on the playstation 9

[true hinge]

unreal 6 will be out already

using Super Ultra Mess Shaders Overdrive

[gritty plume]

true

and the game crashes every 1 minute

[true hinge]

Only works on Nvidia's we ran out of computer scientists arch.

[gritty plume]

yeah

[arctic island]

should set the dino AI on every single dino.

[gritty plume]

and dinos will still walk in to rocks and fall off the cliff

and presenting ark 2 SCAM adventure pack, you will need this pack if you want to actually play the game otherwise you will have paid $1,000 dollars and bought the nvidia 8090 that costs $4,000 just to sit in the main menu getting 5 fps. this pack cost $500.

[true hinge]

it will be 80 dollars due to inflation

i really hope these are just sh*t post and the game will be good

i love ark 1 but asa just is eh

[night vigil]

Not happening

[true hinge]

Yeah I'm just trying to cope

[fallow niche]

@toxic coral
This channel is only for Ark 2. Please use the other channels for ASA, such as #general, #ark-survival-ascended, #pve-discussion, or #pvp-discussion.

[toxic coral]

I see

Is ark 2 going to be created?

[fallow niche]

Eventually

[unkempt trail]

its been canceled

[icy oak]

Why even playing "smooth", we could also just enjoy Ark2 as a diashow story like game, couldn't we?
For example, you decide to farm stone, so you click stone and then you will see an prerenderes animation cut scene, where the char is farming stone 😍💀

[fallow niche]

@unkempt stone this channel is specifically for Ark 2. If you have other questions regarding the discord of an ingame server, you can ask in #general.

[tranquil fiber]

me when i purposely spread misinformation on the internet

[earnest kettle]

Right ...?

[graceful valley]

ark 2 defo isint happening

100% believe its not even a game being developed

[willow hawk]

ark 2 is happening

[tranquil arch]

wait i thought ark 2 was ark survival ascended

[rich arrow]

Yeah, Ark, round 2

[wooden drum]

When ark 2 gets released, I would love to see a coelophysis in game.

[grand hill]

i feel like ark 2 will be more like conan exiles style fighting, 3rd person, and that esque of building

among other things

[blissful perch]

Would it be compy reborn? Because ark compy imo has been done a bit dirty compared to modern shoulder mounts

[pale venture]

unbelievably real

[dapper moth]

They should’ve just kept focusing on ase. I’m pretty the majority of the player base is going to be sticking with ase for a good while. Especially console players

[untold ingot]

Objectively not true.

[limpid ivy]

Cause 9/10 console will get it delayed a month or 2

[blissful perch]

PlayStation is also not getting ark 2 at launch, so I can see the concern from their players

[muted coral]

Ark 2 still a thing ?

[modern ravine]

Nah, it’s more like ark 1.5

[maiden smelt]

A:SA is not Ark 2. Ark 2 is a separate game still in development whereas A:SA is supposed to be the remaster for A:SE.

[faint umbra]

So is Ark 2 gonna stay like??? Primal and tribal like

[prisma flare]

probably not

i think they will do like ark now

but with dlc or new map if they are free like first one is primal second is more modern and 3rd~4th will be tek or equivalent

[untold meteor]

Will ark 2 shut down asa

Because I watched buzzlightbeers video

[split dove]

the random youtubers video with clickbait titles would never lie ....... right guys?

probably official server support might be pulled but that might be it i'm guessing

[untold meteor]

Thank you

[faint umbra]

Isn't it only gonna be third person too

[fallow niche]

No, they will be going simultaneously according to crunches announcing ASA.

[pine basin]

What? Most people left a long while ago. Maybe focusing only on Ark 2 wouldn’t be good for them (ASA provided a good amount of money), kepping ASE alive (official servers, updates, new DLCs etc) wasn’t an option.

Hopefully they will find some time (and resources) to keep ark 2 development alive and release it eventually.

[pine basin]

This guy have an opinion for sure, but not entirely consistent to the truth. His assessment are a bit shallow IMO.

[untold meteor]

Yeah I agree now thinking about it

[pine basin]

Yes, Ark 2 is designed to be a 3rd person only game. BUT they will let people change it with mods. But again, the game isn’t designed to be played in 1st person view, so I guess playing like that won’t feel great.

[faint umbra]

True. And I'm assuming the whole parrying and dodging system would look as weird and disorienting as GTA 5 first person lol. Happy it's a new game too so they'll hopefully actually build this one from complete scratch.

[blissful perch]

If you’ve heard of monster hunter I’m hoping it works like that

Most people also spend most of their time in ark in third person while mounted anyway, so I think it’s less of a shock than people think it is

[winged dome]

I'm sure everyone has different experiences, but I pretty much only ever use first-person for building and decorating interiors

[slender torrent]

I mean just to be fair ppl complained about Cyberpunk being first-person when it was shown. Now years later no one fucking cares as long as the gameplay is fun.

[stray elm]

Difference was that Cyberpunk never had a video game adaptation before, and so there was no expectations.
ARK on the otherhand had now two full games with both first and third person players. Allowing it to become integral to most players.

[slender torrent]

Dont change the fact that ARKs melee combat atm is barebone af. Instead of constantly complaining ppl should just wait for the result (Plus CPR made the witcher.....a THIRD-PERSON game....then they made Cyberpunk a FIRST-PERSON game. And they Announced that years before Cyberpunk even went into development.) And ngl if the combat will be like Conan Exiles or Dark Souls or even Horizon Zero Dawn ppl just gotta get used to it. I doubt Wildcard would want to stick to an outdated combat system. The foot/melee combat was always arks weakest point. We have seen 0 gameplay so even if we like or dislike the idea we cant say much untill we see it for ourselfs. IF we ever will.

[pine basin]

It was the first cyberpuink indeed, but people had a lot of expectations because of The Witcher series (all 3 had third person view gameplay). And people complained BEFORE release. After they fixed all the other issues, people liked the game, it wasn't an issue. The point is: people just like to complain, without even testing first.

I know it's not the same thing, but GTA changed from "aerial view" to third person view. It's doesn't have to be a bad thing. Ark 2 isn't just locking the first person view, they are changing a lot of gameplay features (they already said combat and movement will be completely revamped).

[mossy blade]

Ark 2 is a worldwide government induced hysteria

[blissful perch]

I love horizon combat but I do think the concentration mechanic is meant exclusively for singleplayer games. I’d love to see monster hunter tho, or even horizon’s hitzone/weakspot system

[winged aurora]

and i mean between ase and asa they currently average 70k players a day so thats pretty good

[lavish echo]

Ja okay gut weiter so

[balmy kiln]

when the new game gonna come out its late this year right?

[slender torrent]

From their latest statement yep. But i say untill we dont see gameplay trailers etc atleast mid of this year i wouldnt get my hopes up it coming before 2026.

[verbal wind]

if you get gameplay trailers

asa didnt have a trailer until the day it dropped

[bright lynx]

I was wondering if they would drop a gameplay trailer a day before launch

a gameplay trailer halfway through the year would settle down the community, and generate hype

I am thinking ASA would get shelved and abandoned like ASE based on their statement unfortunately

[blissful perch]

It’s promised that Asa and ark 2 will run together at the same time

[pine basin]

It all depends on how much money it is making. Even Ark 2 depends on that (IMO). So, I believe if ASA is getting botched, Ark 2 will also be.

Even Wildcard doesn't believe Ark 2 will be as popular as Ark 1.

[blissful perch]

Right now it’s designed so both Asa and ark 2 run together (confirmed by WC). What’s extremely likely is that using good business sense WC will skew the number of open ark 1 or ark 2 servers based on player counts

[pine basin]

What I meant is: if ASA fails and gets botched, I believe Ark 2 won’t be a thing.

Believing Ark 2 will finish ASA makes no sense, because wildcard made it clear they would be making ASA from the ground up because they believe there’s space for both games.

[verbal wind]

iirc asa is supposed to maintain a revenue stream while ark 2 is being worked on

so yeah if asa stops no ark 2 prolly

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s what I understood from their statements.

But ASA is supposed to keep being in active development after Ark 2 is released.

If understood their statements right, they don’t believe Ark 2 will please the community as much as will. Because of the huge changes.

Which is not clear to me is if their assumptions are based on real research they have access to

Because for me Ark 2 seemed more interesting than the idea of having ASE on UE5