ark-2

[untold totem]

not really after what happened to the souls clones

[rare heart]

They dont even do what they are describing

[untold totem]

and at worse monster hunter clones

[rare heart]

When they say souls they are probably referring to their control scheme and layout

[untold totem]

one way to screw your current players off

[rare heart]

The dinosaur attack scheme is what should’ve already existed with other games but hasnt for some reason

[untold totem]

i am used to the ARK layout to the point i change my keybinds to emulate ARK's layout

[rare heart]

This is what makes it not a souls clone

How you control dinosaurs

Ark 1 had the first part down being you CAN tame dinosaurs

[untold totem]

monster hunter clones

same failure rate as souls clones

[rare heart]

Cant tame monsters

[untold totem]

you can ride them momentarily

[rare heart]

cant even control them really (except the dog i guess)

This games aesthetics are so vastly different from those games its impossible to tell without gameplay

But the dinosaur attack scheme is something surprisingly never done

The game also is supposed to have a lot more functions to it other than combat so it being a standard game clone doesnt make that much sense, doesnt mean it will be good though

[blissful perch]

Monster hunter is insanely successful but I think I see this point? Though only in monster hunter rise do you have any control over a mounted monster

(And that control is extremely minimal and temporary)

[untold totem]

i am talking about the monster hunter clones not MH itself

[blissful perch]

If ark 2 introduced souls like attack systems to mounted combat it would be a major step forward in gaming - no other game really has managed to do that in the survival genre

[untold totem]

i thought they given up that whole "survival" part

i way thinking they go for more MH clone

[blissful perch]

I mean surviving in the ark 2 ecosystem is “survival”

They’re dropping expansions to eating and drinking sure, but what separates survival from a monster hunter for example is that everything is persistent (the world operates in your absence, and doesn’t reset or really react much at all when you die)

[rare heart]

shelters too id assume

the dinosaur combat would make every shitty be a dino game non existent

[blissful perch]

If the dinosaur mounted combat was souls like? Yes it would smoke most of the dinosaur content out there

But we have no explicit confirmation of that level of complexity

[rare heart]

Yeah

Just that quote flobs brings up is compelling

[untold totem]

so "wild dinos take turns to "getting killed""

there is a reason why elden ring nerfed the duo boss

[rare heart]

if they do that it would be an eye opener

Dinosaurs that actually function like… dinosaurs!?!? Instead of basic machines!

Crazy idea

[untold totem]

hell even IRL animals can dog pile

[blissful perch]

There is a game design puzzle ark 2 has to figure out with how to manage horde combat

Though I’d also argue ark 1’s creature density is stupidly unrealistic and probably makes no sense to replicate in ark 2

[rare heart]

it is

In any logical scenario it would only be like that at night

[untold totem]

i dont want the "barren ocean biome but in land" tho

[rare heart]

and not even, with very limited species variety too

Dynamic creatures can easily compensate for lower populations

[blissful perch]

The ocean being a volume rather than an area helps magnify a lack of creature density

[rare heart]

Especially if they can actually “hunt you” instead of walking in their relative vicinity

ocean should be dense with life realistically, just not with the most powerful predators xd

[blissful perch]

I’d expect and hope ark 2 would have local high density areas (say a watering hole) and have less spammed around creatures just bumbling in the environment

[rare heart]

One unnecessary detail i really want is actual prey fish and have coelocanth be an actual coelocanth (also coel irl being one of the worst tasting fish ever)

[blissful perch]

I’m only open to prey fish insofar as they add meaningful gameplay

Otherwise I’m concerned they’ll just eat performance for a mild boost to immersion

[rare heart]

Sure

id also like actual prey animals on land as well that give better food

(Herbivores usually being a better food source throughout history)

Ark 1 had a lot of coel too, but quickly overlooked because there were equally as many megalodons

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer it if a kill in general was worth more

I hate meat running…it just doesn’t feel right to clear all the wildlife for meat. It felt so much better as a Bob to savor every carcass for its materials

[winged dome]

Age old decision. Pick for meat and live another day, or hatchet for hide and secure a respawn point 😂

[blissful perch]

Then you get one tame and oops that’s resolved

Just munch everything mindlessly - and it just feels so not right. Idk if it’s because I really like the idea of carefully respecting and choosing what I kill or what

I felt that way in monster hunter too…I really carefully picked what to slay versus capture because it felt wrong to waste taking a life. Until the immersion wore off many years into me playing ark and everything became a walking hide repository 😞

[rare heart]

Early game far cry primal survival mode was sort of like that, i think the best at it in that mentality

Once you got 1 particular skill though it throws it out the window as one full pack of arrows killed all of the boss animals in 5 minutes

[neon meteor]

When you want to raise an army, everything is on the menu. It's just the way it is.

[rare heart]

True though ark once you know what ur doing is industrialism simulator

[blissful perch]

There’s no reason for it to be that way

[rare heart]

easier lol, that is the reason

simple route for gameplay

[blissful perch]

It IS that way in ark 1…because the cost of everything is jacked way up and that’s just how you meet your resource needs. But ark 2 doesn’t need to do that

[rare heart]

shouldnt

[neon meteor]

Then how are you ever getting the exp you need? Changing lystrosaurus to give a flat amount of EXP based on its MD stat?

[rare heart]

learn it like a realistic person

[neon meteor]

Oh sure. Ark 2 everything could be different. Who knows if dino stats are even still a thing? 🤣

[blissful perch]

Each kill could be harder and grant more exp

[rare heart]

When ur fighting/something you should just learn it over time by repeatedly doing it

i mean that makes the most sense

Im good at hunting megaloceros because ive died to/killed a lot of them

[blissful perch]

It should be something that requires learning imo. Right now it’s all W + M1

If it’s faster than you, get your hitbox stuck in theirs -> see above. If it’s slower -> see above

[split dove]

can it by cc'd or bullied by knockback attacks -> bully it to death

[rare heart]

Me (if its small enough you should be able to do finishers on it)

[blissful perch]

Not much true cc in ark 1…beyond every bite cone being planet sized lmao

[split dove]

Giga bite cone is galaxy sized lmao

[rare heart]

Bites if they actually hold on and tear like they imply would possible fix that

or make it so much worse

[split dove]

from what that said you won't really model clip anymore while fighting

[blissful perch]

I largely have ignored this until I see gameplay

[rare heart]

Fair

[blissful perch]

What it means tho is that as Flobs said perhaps models will actually stay separate which means you can’t trap smaller creatures within your neck or feet lol

[rare heart]

Ye ik

[split dove]

we all know it's like rexes going into the stomach of another rex while fighting in Ark 1, let's hope it's a thing of the past with that change 😅

[rare heart]

It does say they want bites to feel like bites though

Locational damage, etc

which is why the dino survival games like TI have absolutely no soul or charm

[blissful perch]

I dunno if there’s gonna be formal hitzones or not

The way hitboxes work suggests hitzones would be possible…but they are clearly two different promises imo

[rare heart]

Ye

it all ties into what i would label as realistic combat

I cant think of any game that has that except i guess medieval fighting games

Chivalry or mordhau

But animals

So really no game i can think of off the top of my head has genuine animal combat

[south lance]

the animation will be done as if there are highly complex hitboxes

seems trivial to utilize that tech and use it for stats

[rare heart]

Changeable stats would be a nightmare with that if thats what ur saying

[south lance]

?

[rare heart]

Idk wdym

[south lance]

if they already have the animation dependent on the exact location damage was taken and in what form, then they can easily utilize that to make damage dealt far more complex than is the case now

[rare heart]

yeah i agree

I was adding on that i think stat leveling as it is now would make that incredibly annoying and clunky

[south lance]

thats separate

it could be annoying, may not be

[rare heart]

Idk if bites by default grabbed like they suggest it would be, quite annoying if we could simply boost all of the basic stats

Or i guess just rex in this case

idk basically can alter a dark souls boss so its even more insane than it already was

[potent hull]

this week is the week for news hope is good news

[rare heart]

Id assume the roadmap would cover the two main pieces of content plus their releases

Followed by a linear map of expected releases for said content

IE series seasons and major updates for ark2 that are significant

[stray elm]

It's pretty basic.

Like, it really is truly Shifter, fucking basic as all fuck.
Cause I've made an AI in UE5 that does the exact same thing.
ARK-1's AI is literally what Epic-Games teaches you on "how to make an AI in UE5"

[rare heart]

Small game with small code that was made in 7 months so

That blew up

[ionic meteor]

Its kinda crazy that people expect really advanced AI from an indie dev team with like.. 30 people?

[stray elm]

30 people is standard for a AA-team

[ionic meteor]

besides its not as easy as some people think it is even now

[stray elm]

And Wildcard isn't indie anymore.
They're between AA and AAA

[split dove]

AA.0.50A

[stray elm]

Nope.
But they have literal billions of dollars they can put into it.

If a 10-people team that made Sons-of-the-Forest that 'are' true indie teams can make compelling AI's, then Wildcard can.

[rare heart]

Fr

[ionic meteor]

Billions?

[rare heart]

There are a lot of games that are much smaller then their competitors pushing out stuff better than the ppl that dominate said genre/subgenre

[stray elm]

Sorry, I meant millions

"Ark has sold 16 million copies across PC and console, with ten million installs on mobile, and it's often one of the most played titles on Xbox Game Pass."
This was back in 2019, so they most likely have even more now.

[rare heart]

Best example in terms of dinosaurs is bob

[ionic meteor]

That I can agree with

[past wind]

Unfortunately it’s not just about how many millions they have but also about finding the right persons willing to join the team. They have job positions open for ages.

[rare heart]

Money still

[past wind]

You can’t just throw money on the wall and the features will suddenly materialize

[stray elm]

That doesn't mean they're not doing well.
All of those jobs are accepting 'at home' work, so as long as they have the money, a limit within their office isn't an issue.

[tropic crag]

I mean, you can, but that's not how you make a good game

[rare heart]

When you offer more money you can draw more applicants

[stray elm]

That's literally what Activision does with every CoD game

[split dove]

same shit different disk

[ionic meteor]

A game with a high budget isn't always a great game

some flop

[rare heart]

Duh

[stray elm]

Yep.
But it still materializes via money.

[split dove]

sadly it does

[stray elm]

No shit.
Not like we haven't seen that for the past years

[past wind]

The job positions being open for so long mean they haven’t found the right person. I’m not saying they are doing bad, just pointing out the development process is more complex than just having money > developing good games.

[rare heart]

Gaming is a growing industry

Talented game devs arent necessarily tied down to one company like most jobs

[past wind]

If that was true, Microsoft and Ubisoft would have the best games and they would be free of bugs 😂

[stray elm]

Again, that doesn't mean that.
It could also mean that they have multiple positions in that role that they can hire multiple people of said jobs.

[rare heart]

Ubisoft is like a mixed bag

Does all the right things but never in the same game

Incapable if making a good game

Why im scared theyll destroy the new avatar game they had to make an entire engine for

[past wind]

Well, the job positions being open for so long + a huge amount of news about the lack of qualified workers for tech positions makes me think they have an issue finding new devs.

[stray elm]

Okay, the latter I didn't know.

[past wind]

It’s not just Wc

[stray elm]

'Eh'
If it flops, it flops.
If Ubisoft flops, that's one less corporative company gone.

[rare heart]

i like avatar 🤓

[stray elm]

Never been one for Avatar, but I get your feeling with the worry.
At this point, I just emotionally don't care enough for major corporations.

[rare heart]

Me too but shimmers of hope sometimes

Big companies can make good games except theyre so greedy they trash it once they figure out what works

[past wind]

What’s a good game? To me is a game that makes me enjoy it for a while. I like all the assassins creed and far cry games. I know they aren’t GoY material but still they give some entertainment for a while.

[rare heart]

I think that, and being able to appeal to mass amounts of ppl

Plus this corporate journalistic standard the world has made when critiquing movies and games (i guess)

But ppl have different tastes so like, take what you will from youtube videos

Ark is like half of a good game in my opinion

I can find enough ppl in the real world and start a conversation but the average person usually will talk about its negatives more than its positives

[stray elm]

Honestly, I never understood this mentality with them.

[rare heart]

Cheaper

They want to be efficient in the money making because that has always came first

Far cry being the most obvious

[stray elm]

Sure, a bad game with hype gets a LOT of money at first. But it'll die down a lot more quicker.
A objectively good game though, may not get a lot of money at first, but the long-term amount it'll make is more then what a shitty game will make.

[rare heart]

Every game being the same game but with a different filter

Yeah

Same reason like how monster hunter handled it

Very small game for capcom relative to the other stuff they were making

Then they make world

Goes back to nintendo products. Bruh!

[tropic crag]

Not for this channel, try #ark-survival-ascended or #bobs-with-probs

[winged dome]

Keep asking in the wrong channels, I'm sure you'll get the answer

[rare heart]

Like idk world was such a fresh of breath air aside from its variety of bosses why the hell would you ever go back to nintendo

Rise was… fine i guess i thought it was too easy

[winged dome]

Didn't like Rise, wirebugs and silkbind skills are so dumb, and didn't like how they handled mounting. And Rampages ... god what an awful idea

[rare heart]

Fr

[winged dome]

Plus they gutted Hunting Horn

[rare heart]

True my friend was very mad about that xd

Idk i was just disappointed going from world to rise

[stray elm]

They didn't?
Rise came out on consoles and PC later on.

[rare heart]

It started out on swtich

[stray elm]

Also, have they've been with Nintendo beforehand?
Cause I remember the older games being Playstation exclusive.

[stray elm]

Yeah, as a 'launch' exclusive

[rare heart]

The switch is the worst console rn in my opinion

[winged dome]

Thankfully they have mobile dev teams vs console dev teams, so hopefully the next game is more like World's quality

[rare heart]

And like zen said the game itself has more flaws

[astral token]

Rise and World were developed parallely

[rare heart]

Ik the previous games were on nintendo i played them they were good too. Just such a big leap

[winged dome]

Yes, I know. Thats why I said they had two separate dev teams

[astral token]

Hmm

[rare heart]

World also raked in a lot of new ppl

Id say anywhere but japan the average person who played mh is gonna say they played world first, might be a stretch

[stray elm]

I think they where 'on' Nintendo devices, not exclusive though.

[rare heart]

It was good marketing more or less

iT XBox ooga booga (the western world)

[stray elm]

Wait, you're totally right.
3 and 4 where Nintendo exclusive, and still are

[rare heart]

To relate to ark 2 do you think ppl will buy next gen xboxes just for ark 2

[stray elm]

Probably.

People bought next-gen console just to get more updates for GTA5.

[split dove]

they're gonna have to buy them soon regardless, less and less new games are still supporting old gen

[rare heart]

I might have too my pc is getting old and with how everything is rn i dint wanna spend that money as a broke college sudent

[blissful perch]

Hmm from what i saw (never coded it myself) it seems the basic blueprint is super basic…but WC sorta stacked stuff on top of it?

[split dove]

1 month of work and i had enough saved to upgrade my rig, good that i did before i became jobless bc i still am

[stray elm]

The taming system itself is solid in a technical view.
But no, even newer creatures from what I can see have the three basic tasks.

[potent hull]

taming bootleg 101 her how first find him next trap him and then tame him there you got your self a one of a kind booleg pet lol

[stray elm]

Where's the punchline?

[potent hull]

taming you is the punchline your sow rare

[stray elm]

Ahh, I see.
It's a slavery joke.

[potent hull]

i sad pet

[stray elm]

"first find him next trap him and then tame him"
That sounds like slavery.

[potent hull]

ark you trap the dino

[stray elm]

Yep, and they're dinosaurs, not humans.

[potent hull]

what is that icon

[stray elm]

Issac Clarke

[potent hull]

that it was a drake

[south lance]

drook

drikle

[stray elm]

It's Issac Clarke from Dead-Space about to be consumed by a Rex.

[potent hull]

ethere your sow rare no one can find you in ark

[stray elm]

I'm a rare slave?

[south lance]

its not that hes rare its that he doesnt exist

simply conjured up in our minds

[potent hull]

lol

[south lance]

[potent hull]

boot leg mad now

[south lance]

very mand perhaps

[stray elm]

Reality is a enigma, and everything I perceive is within my own mind.
To me, you're all just random flesh basics that I conjured up.
To you, everyone else has been conjured up.

[south lance]

the one who wins is the one who copes the most

[stray elm]

Nah, I love fucking with others.
Your thing is that you make no fucking sense, while my thing is to be an ass and fuck with others, since I'm a sadist and take entertainment from others.

[potent hull]

power of copy a copy i win

[south lance]

nah copium

the drug of the mind

rejection of the weapons others use

the mind weapons

[stray elm]

dopamine*

[south lance]

dopamine is just the motivation chemical

[stray elm]

No, it's the happy chemical also

[south lance]

its only use is for me to break myself for rich people

[stray elm]

"What is dopamine? Dopamine is a chemical released in the brain that makes you feel good. Having the right amount of dopamine is important both for your body and your brain. Dopamine helps nerve cells to send messages to each other."

[south lance]

happy is seratonin i think

nah most sites are dumb with the NTs

i took a intro psychology class i know slightly more than them

[stray elm]

seratonin is what carries dopamine.

[potent hull]

hay sigma i her boot leg has ark 2 news he ban holing out a reading it not giveing it to no one lol

[south lance]

they are separate NTs

[ripe cedar]

Maybe neuroscience isn’t black and white and different chemicals can have a range if effects

[stray elm]

"Serotonin is a chemical that carries messages between nerve cells in the brain and throughout your body. Serotonin plays a key role in such body functions as mood, sleep, digestion, nausea, wound healing, bone health, blood clotting and sexual desire."

[south lance]

dopamine is part of the process that gets you motivated

its closer to desire than happiness

[stray elm]

And happy

[south lance]

dopamine will get you through shit even if youre not happy

[stray elm]

Addiction is the process of producing too much dopamine from an act.

[desert swallow]

I had no idea Ark 2 was going to be so complicated

we have to manage our dopamine levels

[south lance]

ark2 is gonna hack these dope receptors to force you into metal farming again

[desert swallow]

Do you think they'll have tek that helps you control your dopamine levels?

[potent hull]

no is just boot leg dos lol

[south lance]

the tek is at wc hq

its called evo events

[potent hull]

soon we will no sigma soon

[stray elm]

I'm looking through multiple websites right now, and every single one is disproving your point Bada

[south lance]

actually

[desert swallow]

ark produces cortisol.

[south lance]

people seem to work harder on evo because of how rare they are

[potent hull]

lest work to do

[south lance]

most psychology online is complete garbage

[potent hull]

les

[south lance]

id have failed my psych course if i used the internet

[desert swallow]

you suck at google then

[south lance]

theres good stuff but anyone claiming X is happiness chemical is wrong

[mint swan]

did ark 2 come out?

[south lance]

happiness doesnt really exist as a singular chemical

[stray elm]

Sure, but when multiple websites are saying the opposite of what one random person that is proclaiming to have took classes for this, I'd rather go with the former.

[south lance]

theres euphoria

but thats basically it

[south lance]

i know you would

😛

[desert swallow]

alternative facts are true facts

[stray elm]

Alternative facts can also be false facts.

[tropic crag]

One would think it'd be the latest announcement in the #announcements tab if it did, right?

[potent hull]

we can all was yous boot leg and sigma as fishing bait for a new tames in ark 2 lol

[stray elm]

Or that you could also Google it

[south lance]

i havent done noodling ever

seens fun, catfish have big teeth in some places tho

[blissful perch]

It’s called game design and yes 😂

If games don’t generate appropriate dopamine flow -> bad game

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

You know it true @tropic crag 😂

[tropic crag]

I use that as my fake surprised emoji, so uhhhh lol

[hazy elm]

We have seen no gameplay for a game that has been delayed twice and we are approaching the summer. I demand a free DQ Blizzard!

[blissful perch]

Delayed once but I’m down for a free blizzard

[hazy elm]

Indeed I think WC owes us a delicious DQ Blizzard

[stray elm]

Hey Shifter, do you know anything about neuroscience?

[blissful perch]

A minor’s worth and no more 😂. Though I did major in traditional biology

[stray elm]

What did you learn about dopamine?

[blissful perch]

It’s primarily the reward mechanism for the brain

[stray elm]

Right, it's the happy sauce

Also the cause of addiction, since gaining too much happy sauce from an activity will make you dependent on it.

[blissful perch]

Eh it’s a bit trickier than “happy”

[stray elm]

So 'happy'

[blissful perch]

The emotional response to dopamine varies based on how much over what time period

[stray elm]

Right.
So I was more or less correct earlier that it's the "happy sauce" (in a simple term)

[blissful perch]

I mean colloquially yea it’s happy juice

However it’s not quite that simple in practice is what I’ll say haha

[stray elm]

Cause I have no idea what Bada was talking about earlier, with dopamine not being a chemical that makes you happy/rewarding.

[stray elm]

Right, nothing is.

[blissful perch]

I think Bada was referring to the valid reality that increased dopamine ≠ increased happiness (it’s not a 1:1 relationship, there’s other stuff involved in emotions like that)

But if the argument was about colloquial use then yea I think the point was lost

[stray elm]

Right, which then goes back to addiction. (pretty sure a lot of addicted people aren't happy)

[hazy elm]

So if we stop playing ark will we go into convulsions and be super sad cause it was our reward mechanism? If so how long are the side effects?

[blissful perch]

Depends on the addiction but largely yes. If you Bork your dopamine system it’ll ruin your mood

[stray elm]

I haven't touched ARK in two weeks, so that's not saying much about my own addiction

[blissful perch]

Some addicted folks? Yes. Servers go down for three seconds and you can see who most of them are

[stray elm]

Gaming addiction is a serious act.

[hazy elm]

what if I just want something to do and am bored while playing it

[blissful perch]

Any addiction is. It’s why I worry about ark 1’s PvP hook of round the clock base defense

[split dove]

the gaming addiction clearly rots away what's left of their already small brain, it's clear with ark chatters especially

[hazy elm]

bold of you to assume i had a brain

[blissful perch]

Addicts are sad anywhere you see them

[split dove]

we have one among us

[stray elm]

Very valid, but I personally take the more shamed addictions (like eating addictions, gaming, etc) more seriously then stuff like hard-drugs, since there's already people out there that take those extremely seriously.

[hazy elm]

I have played for 16,000 hours

spent countless nights and days defending bases

and ark 2 might be no different

[blissful perch]

Addiction isn’t measured by time committed: it’s measured by what happens if you’re forced to stop

[blissful perch]

Fair take, but addiction is at the core the same principle…so imo it’s about who you know that’s suffering and helping where you can

[stray elm]

Which is why most recoveries ease you into having less and less of what you're addicted to, then stripping it away straight up, no?

[hazy elm]

Oh well I usually have to go and spend a lot of money, eat 4 double cheeseburgers, a large coke, 1 large onion rings, and a bag of kit kat

[split dove]

america moment

[blissful perch]

Depends big time on relapse. Some substances you can’t cold turkey because it leads to fatal physical withdrawal. Others like gaming that almost never have that you are supposed to cold cut

[stray elm]

Right, since with drugs, you become physically dependent on it, so stripping it can kill you. Versus a gaming addiction where it's just the dopamine levels going out of control.

[blissful perch]

And other brain chemicals - but usually dopamine is the primary. The point is that you’re not introducing foreign substances that your brain and body become dependent on

[hazy elm]

Yeah like heroin addicts that require a drug to detox

[blissful perch]

Better example is people who quit smoking that need a nicotine patch or a vape

[hazy elm]

wait you can die from quitting nicotine

[mint swan]

Good ark 2 discussion! You all have pea brains

[blissful perch]

Welcome to 🧠

[stray elm]

Nicotine is a drug that you can become dependent on.

[split dove]

oh no Shifter, i was wondering how long it would take for some dummy to interupt our good convo again

[blissful perch]

Eh, it’s hardly an interruption

[split dove]

still counts in my book

[blissful perch]

We can easily pivot into a nice chat about how we don’t want people addicted to ark 2 and explain what ark 1 addictive features we dislike

[mint swan]

Is Ark 2 going to be PvP as well as PvE

[split dove]

yes

[mint swan]

Someone said just PvE but i dont think that would be the case

[blissful perch]

Confirmed by WC!

[mint swan]

WC?

nvm

[split dove]

Wildcard -__-

[mint swan]

yhyh lol sorry its late

[blissful perch]

Nbd. Hope that helped

Anyway Flobs and bootleg let’s get back to business lmao

[split dove]

Mutations and stat breeding

🥹

[blissful perch]

🔫

[stray elm]

Hope they make it into ARK-2 to spite Shifter

[mint swan]

Yea cheers bud

[split dove]

i will do a triple twister from the bridge if they return

[mint swan]

Just hoping they give us a date friday

[blissful perch]

Don’t expect that lol

[stray elm]

Can you record it?

[split dove]

🫣

[mint swan]

Or atleast a month or some idea

[blissful perch]

At best expect a quarter or month for release

[split dove]

when the roadmap is shared we're officially moving into Q2

[mint swan]

Gotta come out before june aint it coz of the Xbox deal

Did you call me dumb

[stray elm]

Yes

[split dove]

clearly, and it seems i was right

[blissful perch]

Nah, the Xbox showcase isn’t entirely making ark 2 release certain by June. It was just possible it came out June

[split dove]

gonna cry?

[mint swan]

No :/

[blissful perch]

YEET

[fallow niche]

Let's not.

[split dove]

this is my way to vent anger Bee

[fallow niche]

Back on topic and be nice

[mint swan]

Hey!

[fallow niche]

Vent with kindness

[mint swan]

How many times is he gonna disrespect me

[stray elm]

Anyway, I hope ARK-2 doesn't encourage such a fucking shitty playstyle on PvP that it causes people to stay on for 24+ hours.

[mint swan]

:/

[blissful perch]

So true

[stray elm]

Wait, legit question.
How do you vent with kindness?

[mint swan]

Yeah it became a job… crazy

[mint swan]

Yhyh if they thought that was possible then they should be close but then again its wildcard

[blissful perch]

Drop the 24/7 play requirement, drop the “yeet people’s work while they sleep”…

[blissful perch]

Was gonna say but you already know lol

[stray elm]

Online protection needs to be a heavy thing.

[mint swan]

yh man dw im not a noob when it comes to ark

[tropic crag]

I mean, I don't see you interjecting any good points, leave them to their neuroscience ramblings, let the mods do their job, aka mind ya bidness

[mint swan]

they take ages to release stuff

[stray elm]

Or, better yet.
Have safe-zones that're PvE based, but at a minimal. So most of the map is still PvP.

[blissful perch]

Tbh they need to take longer. They tend to have a horrid habit of scope creeping and releasing things in a rushed state

[mint swan]

You a mod? Na… anyways the zone pve thing would never work

[untold totem]

That "safe zone" camping tho

[stray elm]

And?

[untold totem]

And?

[mint swan]

Eh... I think that the tek update should of been delayed and never released that ruined it for me

havent really been on ark since they released it

[stray elm]

I will still never understand why they have never put in a counter for tek.

[winged dome]

🍻

[untold totem]

Monkey but very underwhelming

[blissful perch]

That’s slightly different than for example releasing astros and velos with ranges greater than turrets

[mint swan]

Like i say mate when tek was released i stopped playing so i wouldnt really know abt the new stuff

[tropic crag]

Are you? Point set, match. Anywho, PvPvE servers can and should be the norm, there can definitely be PvE only zones on a PvP server and it not be done poorly, just look at Rust.

[blissful perch]

Or when a whole bunch of stuff came out in a questionably finished state

[untold totem]

Noglin bypass turrets unless velo or plant

[quiet bison]

😂

[mint swan]

I remember the good old days with the old gui and you could fly so fast u wouldnt be shot at by turrets on a pt

[stray elm]

Those where shit times

[mint swan]

not if your in a big tribe

[sturdy hull]

that part hence why it was removed lmfao

[blissful perch]

Flier nerf was the best ark patch of all time

[split dove]

ah yes, the ''good old times'' where you'd fly to the other side of the map in 5 seconds

[tropic crag]

I think everyone can agree flyer speed levelling is only good for PvE servers, if even then

[untold totem]

Now we have gliders for that

[split dove]

anyways, flier and glider nerfs for ark 2

[sturdy hull]

when the game couldn't even load in fast enough you clip through the mesh lmfao

[stray elm]

Those where dark times

[sturdy hull]

bahahha yes they were

[stray elm]

Fun at the moment, but shit looking back at it

[blissful perch]

Ark in 2015 is not ark 2023, and you know who knows that lol

[sturdy hull]

shit messing on a freinds pve server i gave my shadowman a 350 movement speed and yeah its not even fun anymore its just stupid lol

[split dove]

fliers should be endgame for ark 2 and even then heavily nerfed compared to their current versions

[tropic crag]

Shadowmanes can have a little bit of movement speed, as a treat

[rare heart]

Shadowmane art wise is peak

[sturdy hull]

i mean yeah but when your so fast you cant even control it specially whenn you add hydrate and this ^^

[rare heart]

Cats are goated

I wanted cheetah but we cant have nice things all the time

If i could id make a mod for ark 2 for cheetah

[untold totem]

Saber:

[quiet bison]

I’m sure there are at least a few mods with cheetahs

[stray elm]

Can we get a prehistoric cat?
Like an actual house-cat.

[rare heart]

Saber in ark is underwhelming

Gets overshadowed by the fake cat

[stray elm]

"Felis silvestris lybica"
Can we have those?

[rare heart]

can we have actual smilodon?

[blissful perch]

I’d kinda not mind if fliers were mid game if their role was very clearly limited

[rare heart]

Instead if this weak ass panther with goofy teeth?

[quiet bison]

pretty sure there’s a mod for that aswell 😂

[stray elm]

True

[blissful perch]

Pts for example are…kinda not a big deal. Raise the mount/dismount animation time and they’re pretty gutted for most cheese

[rare heart]

I dont want a mod though

[untold totem]

Nah I like long tail sabers better

[quiet bison]

fair

[rare heart]

I want saber to actually be scary like its supposed to be

[mint swan]

Ark 2 needs to be primitive

[quiet bison]

true

[mint swan]

No heavy turrets no tek

[untold totem]

It is.... Primarily

[quiet bison]

I’m tired of all this machinery

[rare heart]

I want thylacoleo to stay a tree assasin but make saber the brawler

[untold totem]

Has scrap metal in concept art tho

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[sturdy hull]

they should at least make it way harder to get kind like the 190 tech sword skin if they do intend to add tech

[quiet bison]

😔

[stray elm]

Can't wait till tek is reintroduced in the first dlc for ARK-2, and Wildcard says "technically, it isn't in ARK-2, it's in a dlc."

[untold totem]

Megatribe gatekeeping intensifies

[tropic crag]

So proud of you, you can't even imagine

[mint swan]

You need some way to defend your base, so basic turrets are ok or maybe even find a way to use the environment to defend your base like making traps n stuff but just no heavy turrets or anything

[rare heart]

Dinosaurs that actually guard

[stray elm]

Honestly, I wouldn't be mad.
I'd be fucking like "well played"

[rare heart]

fr never got a proper guard dog dinosaur

[quiet bison]

I want more aquatic stuff in ark 2

would be nice

[untold ingot]

We have a person of culture and quality here

[untold totem]

Every thing is a "guard dinosaur" If you set on aggressive

[tropic crag]

Hyaenodon would like to know your location

[rare heart]

Not that reliable

[stray elm]

I think they need to take into consideration if ARK-1's mechanics that're never used.
Like purlovia's land-mine like approach.
I think that could work better if revamped.

[mint swan]

And u log on the next day and someone has made it chase them to the other side of the map

[untold ingot]

Creatures in ark are limited by their ai

[sturdy hull]

thalisaphobia be hitting different when playing ark idk i cant stand arks oceans

[blissful perch]

I agree. So much more it’s DLC worthy. #oceanDLC

[untold ingot]

It's not water though, so nothing to be afraid of

[untold ingot]

😤

[untold totem]

That is why you set the distance for that and have them follow on a say passive small pet

[stray elm]

Don't do that.
Give us an ocean update.
Cause last time we had an ocean DLC, we got ATLAS

[rare heart]

Ik thats why you couldnt have a genuine guard dog

Guard dog dinosaurs would work better if they were bound to items and people instead of by just being in the same tribe

would be a funny way to catch thieves

[blissful perch]

That’s the most fair argument I’ve ever read

[untold ingot]

I think quality oceans is something that can be there from the start

It doesn't even have to be hand crafted either

[untold totem]

They can be bound on a small pet in base

[stray elm]

True.
I think shit like proper waves, and such should be focused on.

[sturdy hull]

i mean they did a whole ocean biome so im sure they gonna really expand on it hopfully i think it really depends on the full way there trying to take ark 2 since its supposed to be heavily story based as well

[untold ingot]

This honestly would be epic.

[stray elm]

Honestly, I think it'd be badass trying to cross the ocean to a new continent, and trying to survive fucking hurricanes.

[untold ingot]

Having actual ships would be so epic

[untold totem]

But is it really worth going in ocean when it's safer to get resources on land

[rare heart]

rafts were so dumb

Canoe was cooler

[sturdy hull]

sounds more like atlas bahha

[untold ingot]

Like even just copy paste atlas ships would be fine

[untold totem]

ATLAS intensifies

[stray elm]

Treat the ocean as an extension to what we're already being given.
They want going to point A-to-B harder for land? Do it for oceans also.

[rare heart]

atlas is fake he cant hurt you

[untold ingot]

I want to sail around with a parasuar on the prow of my ship

[sturdy hull]

i mean take ark land pve and caves aff atlas oceans and what not with the storms and ships

[stray elm]

Make megalodons try to destroy smaller boats/rafts, and rafts topple over with storms.
Requires the player to have proper preparation before sailing.

[untold ingot]

Yeeeessss

[untold totem]

ARK Leeds and ATLAS Whales said hi and goodbye

[untold ingot]

How about no?

[rare heart]

Can we just replace what ark 1 meg does with a regular sized shark xd

[untold totem]

Basically Valheim but with more surpents

[stray elm]

How about yes?
When I mean smaller boats, I mean canoes and shit.
But you're safe within actual sea-sailing ships, like galleons and stuff.

[untold ingot]

This is fine, I tolerate the idea

I want Polynesian style boats too though

Those are frikin epic

[untold totem]

Me getting PTSD form constantly repairing the galleon

[stray elm]

Only thing that'll attack bigger ships are Mosa's and Tuso's.
But those could be rare encounters.

[rare heart]

i need

Animals that actually jump out of water

Maybe even a giant sailfish to ride

[untold totem]

Like the delphis

[untold ingot]

Manta be like 😭

[quiet bison]

Bartonyx 😂

[rare heart]

Damn i forgot manta existed

still

[sturdy hull]

tuso= sea of thevies kraken fight lol

[untold totem]

It constantly dies on land

All fish should be flopping out of the water, only have water stat = to oxy

[rare heart]

i need a giant flying fish to ride (like avatar)

[rare heart]

Any aquatic should have some ability to breach

[untold ingot]

Why?

[rare heart]

Because sea creatures?

[untold ingot]

In a competition of useless explanations, this one wins lol

[rare heart]

dont see why an icthy couldn’t jump out of the water

[quiet bison]

Do you think they’ll make compress ark 2 or just make it 5 terabytes

[untold ingot]

5 terabytes sounds reasonable

But seriously, it'll probably be less than ark1 because you don't need 3 types of lods

Don't need to bake lighting either

[rare heart]

how marine animals works, sometimes they get a little silly and jump out of the water

Surprisingly whales dont die instantly when they breach

Or beach for that matter

Same reason flyers should be able to actually land in water, no matter how fucked they are

Except for those few in the game that have work arounds

No reason a dumby cant fly over the ocean with his ptera, and the pteranodon can actually drown (it should)

[untold totem]

Some do some will die due to decompression like the blob fish and other very deep sea creatures for example

[rare heart]

I doubt ark 2 will have that if you could tame deep sea ceatures

Unless you could recall creatures

[winged dome]

Reverse-Basi depth damage

[untold ingot]

That needs to be a thing though

Deep sea stuff should be worse the deeper it goes

Like not realistic levels of the bends, but it should have harsh effects on certain crestures

[untold totem]

Tbh basi shouldn't have that depth damage being related to whales and all

The Tuso on the other hand should get that depth surface damage when tamed

[stray elm]

Well, here's the thing.
Some companies have used the extra space to make higher-res meshes, making the size no different.

[untold ingot]

I mean, there is that too. I didn't think about thst

[stray elm]

I'd say it's safe to say ARK-2 will be around 120-isg Gigs.

Since they could be using the extra space to either make higher-res stuff, or add more mechanics that're going to stack ontop of the storage.

[untold ingot]

Yeah that's kind of the range for a game as big as ark

[blissful perch]

all ocean creatures should be able to surface...like they do. But I agree ichy and a lot of other water mounts being able to leap from the water wouldn't be bad

though idiots beaching them and complaining I'm SURE will follow

[stray elm]

Red-Dead 2 is like 150Gb if I recall, so since ARK-2 is hyping itself to be a immersive-ish game like Red-Dead 2, I think that's a good game to use as a benchmark.

[untold ingot]

Heeey, you're only an idiot if you do it more than 200x

[verbal wind]

Megalodon surface breach. short-range dismount/grab for anyone caught

[untold ingot]

Is it hyping to be immersiveish?

[stray elm]

"Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging!"
"Explore a mysterious, chaotic world where native flora and fauna are being overrun by invasive primeval creatures from an extinct Earth!"
"Natural and unnatural occurrences are always happening across the game world, independent of your presence! Your choices in deciding whether to interact with these events will yield rewards or challenges."
"Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world."
"No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures."

Just me, but it does sound like it's trying to be immersive.

[untold ingot]

I feel like they are pushing less on immersion than games like sons of the forest, and more on quality movement and ai

I mean, I guess that take is right. With those changes it'll definitely feel more immersive I think

[stray elm]

"Natural and unnatural occurrences are always happening across the game world, independent of your presence! Your choices in deciding whether to interact with these events will yield rewards or challenges"
This alone sounds like they're trying to mix immersion with gameplay

[untold totem]

V i t a m i n S y s t e m

[rare heart]

I mean sounds pretty immersive to me

[stray elm]

Honestly, I love the idea of the new system in ATLAS

Actually does shit now then just kills you

[untold totem]

I prefer the debuff tbh

[stray elm]

Which is the new system

[verbal wind]

have to keep track of a dozen different meters. food, water, psyche, metabolism, sleep, etc.

[stray elm]

Actually makes taking care of yourself rewarding in the game.

[untold totem]

And not bypassing certain combat rules lol

[stray elm]

Something I wished more survival games did, is give you debuffs throughout the process of your stats lowering, then just killing you.

Like, having a lack of food should start to lower your max stamina until you're well-fed.

[blissful perch]

That just sounds annoying lol

I want to survive against tricky animals not my belly

[untold totem]

I like how Valheim did with the food system

[stray elm]

More entertaining then just dying from having funny stat low

There's also the issue of food and water becoming more of a chore, due to how fast they drain.
I don't think it'll be as bad if they drained slower.

[untold totem]

I don't mind making heat drains water and use of stam drains food tho

[split dove]

Your belly already is a tricky animal you need to keep fed

[stray elm]

Or, you know.
'Actually fucking drain like a normal human would'
A normal, healthy human takes 3-days to die from dehydration, and around 2-weeks to a month to fully starve to death.
In every fucking survival game, you 'have' to eat daily, but that's just objectively not true for real survival.
So if you're able to survive multiple in-game days without water or hunger, but you get debuffs as it goes on, I don't think that'd be as bad.

[untold totem]

That is the point of "Plain Jane" Survival, not "Survival Horror"

[stray elm]

The point of survival games like ARK, Conan, The-Forest, is to not only survive from AI's, but to survive from 'all' elements.
If you wanted to survive from just AI, then play Dead-Space.

[untold totem]

Or any dino horror survival that is popping up

[stray elm]

True

[untold totem]

Nvm

[stray elm]

...that'd be survival

[untold totem]

It's still plain survival

[stray elm]

I play survival games cause I wanna survive from all of the elements.
But hunger and thirst have always been the go-to for this genre. But it's never changed other then 'funny stat hurts when empty'

I saw you Bruise!!

Speak!!
Join into the conversation!!!!

[blissful perch]

I don't MIND hunger and thirst as environmental challenges

but if both food and water are readily available everywhere it just adds a chore to gameplay imo

[stray elm]

Which is my issue with ARK's survival.

Infinite food from bushes, and infinite water from the ocean

Scorched is the closest I felt with survival in ARK, due to the lack of water.

[split dove]

Did the dear atleast taste good?

[stray elm]

Yes.

Thank you for asking

[split dove]

[untold totem]

Why not put in a Zelda style of cooking and make berries quick to spoil

[stray elm]

If animals where harder to hunt, berry bushes being harder to find, or have a 90/10 ratio of poison berries vs edible berries, and have water harder to find, or you need to actually filter it first would be nice.

[split dove]

But keep narcoberries edible for comedic relief moments

[untold totem]

Or what ATLAS did to drinkable water

You have to find the 100% water spot to dig and not drinking the literal ocean water

There is a lot of ATLAS things that are a wasted potential

[blissful perch]

ab fertile zone away from the river with that instant water loss was true survival lmao

[blissful perch]

or just mandate that berries be prepped into an actual food item (similar to raw meat) to avoid health loss

[split dove]

Berry mush

[stray elm]

Nah, water mushrooms still gave enough water

[untold totem]

Fish meat should be the "easy to eat food" because sushi

[stray elm]

That....doesn't make sense for berries?

[blissful perch]

many plants need cooking or other prep to be edible

[untold totem]

Strawberry bruh

[tropic crag]

I think you mean to be nutritious

[split dove]

[untold totem]

I mean some do require cooking to be edible

[blissful perch]

some are toxic - like cassava

[tropic crag]

But not all of them, or even most of them

[untold totem]

Yo you can't dunk on my fave kind of chips like that jk

[blissful perch]

technically potatoes require prep...raw potatoes have low levels of poisonous material

[tropic crag]

Well, if you eat the skin, sure

But that's semantics almost by then

[vapid panther]

Many plants go thru stages of toxic and edible. It seems like we are getting seasons so maybe they will make plants die back in winter etc

[blissful perch]

"Raw potatoes contain solanine and lectins, two compounds that can cause gastric distress and potentially make you sick." (this is the flesh)

[blissful perch]

could be cool to see the landscape and resources change by season

[tropic crag]

Keyword being potentially, and that's mostly by way of them flooding your immune system and making what is on the skin get you sick

[blissful perch]

concentrations are key, but I'm reading it ain't the skin

[tropic crag]

I know my potato knowledge boiiii

[split dove]

Can't wait to have to wait for a season to roll up, and the resource to be blocked by a large tribe 😂

[blissful perch]

I want to clarify that I concede the more dangerous solanines are in the skin

[vapid panther]

Or a world event where big carnivores hang around berry bushes for easy pickings

[blissful perch]

i see that as a normal rather than world event occurance

[tropic crag]

But anywho, yeah, I think tier 2 fruits and veggies (what would essentially be crop tier in Ark 1) should maybe need to be cooked, I guess

[split dove]

Aratai just plant home alone traps around berry bushes every so often

[blissful perch]

idk, I kinda think all food should need some prep. Call it shucking or peeling or whatever

it would just make for good balance to not be able to shovel berries

[vapid panther]

Id love to see migratory patterns where the herbivores eat all the foliage and move on. and the carnivores are right behind them.

[tropic crag]

But that goes dangerously into advanced survival mechanics, which they've already stated aren't going to go anywhere further than they already have, hence my apprehension

[blissful perch]

i don't see how that's advanced survival

it's still "food". WHAT you eat doesn't matter...you just can't eat raw gathered food

[split dove]

Anyways, we need aratai to setup booby traps. That's my last take for the night

[vapid panther]

pit traps where you cant get out but take days to die!!

[split dove]

Have them mimic pvp players and trap everything you need

[tropic crag]

Needing to peel the potato before you can eat it, else you get sick? I'd say that's a step up from Ark 1's "did you grow the potate? Ok go ahead an eat that shit fam"

But maybe I'm wrong

[blissful perch]

i mean...it's peel the "anything" to eat it. I wouldn't attach a buttload of specific tasks to each food type

[split dove]

"did you just pull that fruit out of the dirty ground? Perfectly fine to eat man"

[split dove]

Perfectly mimics pvp players

[vapid panther]

we already have cooking to decrease spoiling and increase value. shouldnt be too hard to make that have greater impact on the day. Im ok with Ark food now but it is rather stale

[stray elm]

Back
What shit did Shifter try to say about needing to fucking cook berries to have them edible? @tropic crag

[vapid panther]

not just the aratai... let animals learn. You build a trap to get a rexes mother... now he uses it against you.

[blissful perch]

nothing i swear

[stray elm]

Guess I'll fucking die from all the raw strawberries, blueberries, and every other edible berries sold at stores then. 🤷‍♂️

[blissful perch]

eating 400 blueberries like in ark would also kill you instead of restore 100 food 😂

[stray elm]

Well yeah, but that's due to a ruptured stomach. Not poison

[vapid panther]

Atlas does have a debuff if you overeat. that would be fun

[stray elm]

If I ate 20+ good sized steaks, I'm going to die not from overdosing on the nutrients.
But from my stomach fucking popping.

I'm sorry

[past wind]

I wouldn't count on that, apparently they think that was a bad decision on Atlas and they've already stated they don't want to make those basic survival aspects more complex.

[stray elm]

Didn't know it had an open beta.
Then tis fine.
Wasn't sure if you'd get scammed from a game hyping to be good, turning to shit

[tropic crag]

You don't need to peel like half the foods that appear in Ark 1 is all I'm saying, and I don't think that changing the requirements to eat and not die/get sick from it any more than maybe by just cooking it to make it better for you (which is already a thing) would stick to the rules they've set out about not furthering the survival aspects 🤷‍♂️

[stray elm]

Which is fucking dumb if you ask me.
They should learn from these experiences, not remove it if it does bad.

I have.
It's B-tier.

Yeah, the opening

[vapid panther]

I like the food levels now. But it would be funny to have to change your armor cause you ate a bad date or too many berries!

[past wind]

Yeah, I guess they could improve on that. But their statement means, at least to me, they didn't think it's good to make it more complex than Ark 1.

[stray elm]

Which is bullshit.
Especially during early-access, where it's all about experimenting.

[past wind]

Sure, but we don't know for sure why they've decided to go this way.

[stray elm]

If hunting for food and water is harder, make the stat drains slow enough to survive a few days, and give buffs and debuffs to the stats throughout them draining or raising, then I think that'd be solid.

[past wind]

I mean, they have limited resources and time, they probably just decided to work on other aspects.

[stray elm]

'Early access'

[past wind]

Yeah, this would definitely turn this feature from annoying to interesting

[vapid panther]

I wouldnt mind having food drain slower but harder to find. Shouldnt be too hard to make that happen.

[past wind]

The way it is in Atlas, is very annoying. You basically play thinking about vitamins, food and water.

[stray elm]

Defiantly not, just calculate how long a in-game day is, and increase the decrease rate to how many days you want it to take till a player dies from starvation.

[stray elm]

They changed it finally

[vapid panther]

Vitamins is a mistake in Atlas... they made it too hard to find each vitamin.

[stray elm]

Now in ATLAS, you get debuffs throughout the process of your vitamins draining, and buffs if you keep it healthy. And the stats will carry over to your next life, so you can't cheese it.

[past wind]

Good to know. A few days ago I said exactly that. Instead of killing, vitamins should give buff/debuff.

That's good to know they changed it. But unfortunaly WC won't use it in Ark.

[stray elm]

Would be interesting if berries, instead of filling you up. Temporarily stops your hunger from draining, so it gives you time to find real meat to feed yourself.
Since, you know. Berries are meant to keep you tidy over, not fully fill you up.

[past wind]

I think this kind of feature is way more interesting than just stats

[vapid panther]

What if your character is a vegetarian?

[stray elm]

Skill issue.
Humans aren't meant to be vegetarians.

[past wind]

Yeah, it would be really nice.

[stray elm]

We're an omnivorous species, which means we need a blend of both plants and meats.

[past wind]

I mean, they never really worked on the recipes. They might have a chance to work on that and connect food to buffs and debuffs.

Atlas was going to be really complex on that regard. Our characters aged it was planned to introduce babies, but they gave up on that.

About aging, my experience was sh*tty. LOL

[vapid panther]

that would fit in well when they said that different materials will do different things for crafting. makes exploring for that rare plant more enticing

[stray elm]

They gave up the baby process due to drama.

[past wind]

My trips to the Fountain of Youth were really messy

so laggy

[stray elm]

Personally, I see no issues with it, as long as it's strictly with mature NPC's. (having it player side can easily get messy.)

[past wind]

back then I thought it was disappointing, but putting into perspective, it was better this way LOL

They had lots of issues without really expanding the complexity

[stray elm]

Yeah, with the idea of having it player-based, that could've gotten messy

[stray elm]

Especially when ARK has underaged kids.
Having player-on-player activity is a witch potion being brewed called a "lawsuit"
But many games have romance systems between player x NPC's, so 'that' I wouldn't mind/find it weird.

[vapid panther]

Wouldnt make much difference unless the baby had random starting stats.. .and doubt they'd introduce that now.

[past wind]

I mean... babies aren't really an issue with the age rates

Just don't put sexual stuff there

[stray elm]

No, I meant the process of making babies.

[past wind]

Do just like the other creatures LOL

[stray elm]

Issue is, if you have process of making babies, it already has the implications

[vapid panther]

we dont see tames getting frisky... dont have to do it for humans

[stray elm]

Again, it's the implication

[past wind]

I don't really see the issue here, I believe they just weren't capable to finish it

[stray elm]

My worry is if a 40+ year old man is trying to convince a 17 and under player on having a baby with them.

That's sus as all fuck

And a player x player mechanic like that can easily lead to situations like that.
But a NPC x player baby system, wouldn't.

[past wind]

It depends if it's graphical or not

[vapid panther]

but its ok for the 40 yr old man to kill the 17 yr old?

[stray elm]

It's not about being graphic, it's the fucking implications of doing the baby-making.

[past wind]

Still don't see the issue here LOL

but sure, if it was problematic, just raise the age rate

[stray elm]

Yeah, since that's how the game works, those are just fictional avatars.
But the implication of two age-gapped players getting it on to make a baby is fucking weird.

[stray elm]

That's not an solution.

[past wind]

Man, just create a machine to create the baby

[stray elm]

That would work.

[past wind]

doesn't need to put sexual stuff

I don't see what's the issue here

[vapid panther]

how are we getting to the new world? I had assumed we spawned in. Just spawn a baby.

[past wind]

Like Hermes said, there are other questionable stuff on games and that's fine

[past wind]

Right? I don't get the issue here

[stray elm]

A machine/NPC would be fine.
But you don't see the issue of a 40+ year old man trying to convince a child to have a in-game baby with them?

[past wind]

In a machine? No...

Unless it's something graphical, I don't see the problem

[stray elm]

@tropic crag Please, either tell me I'm a idiot or what. Cause fucking going insane from these two.

[stray elm]

It doesn't fucking matter if it's graphical.
Do you not get the point of what a 'implication' is?

[past wind]

No, I don't get what's the problem in combining avatars stats to produce a third avatar

If there's nothing sexual

[stray elm]

AHHHH
Fuck it, I'm done here.
End of discussion.

[past wind]

I really don't see the issue

[vapid panther]

as you said, they are avatars. i see two characters trying to max out a new characters stats. not a guy behind a computer. thats always a worry with online play but there are ways to keep it in the open and focused on the game.

[past wind]

This

There are a thousand other issues letting children play games with adults. The above isn't even by far the most worrisome

[vapid panther]

I dont see how it adds to the overall gameplay so it can stay out. Id rather they focus time and resources on making an ocean or better AI etc.

[past wind]

Yeah, that's probably why they are just putting those features out of the table. Focusing on more important stuff.

I'd rather see them putting more effort on the AI

The Aratai should work well

[vapid panther]

Maybe they have... we have very little real info on how the game will play out. Friday may get us all hyped up with surprises.

[past wind]

About that, 4 days to go

[vapid panther]

And there was much rejoicing!!

[past wind]

I'm catiously waiting. I'm not so sure there will be relevant information about Ark 2.

[vapid panther]

I prefer to live in my delusional world... there will be some significant news on Ark2. I still believe they havent really 'talked' about Ark 2 since saying they next time we 'talk' will be gameplay. And only evil people will shatter my illusion!!

[rare heart]

Need a bovid esc creature

[tropic crag]

Only you would think of something like this LMAO

[stray elm]

Okay, so I'm truly am the only one seeing the issue of Player x Player baby-making?

[untold ingot]

Literally anyone would think of that. The game would get a bad rep really fast

[tropic crag]

I mean, that's a pretty cool assumption you got there, but the last bit of this chat speaks otherwise

[rare heart]

The isle

[untold ingot]

The last bit of this chat was not made by legal teams or general public opinion

It was made by people who want a feature in a game. The rest of the world isn't so lenient with the idea

[stray elm]

Yeah, if I recall right, there was some controversy on that when that feature came out. But it died down since Dondy ignored it.

[rare heart]

Yes but

Ppl do that in dino games already its just with eggs so no one cares which i find weird

[untold ingot]

The isle isn't hugely popular like ark

Anything ark does like that is going to hit mainstream media

[rare heart]

Why do we need player baby making, at all? Stop it

[untold ingot]

Between players, it's not something that ever should come out. Even between player and npc in a game like ark shouldnt happen

[rare heart]

Reapers are fine, they are aliens

[stray elm]

We don't.
But I was stating earlier on my own opinion on it, and how I find it weird of player x player mating. But I'd be fine with player x NPC mating.

[rare heart]

(Even then)

[tropic crag]

No, I understand the implication, I just don't have... child related thoughts on my mind, like some apparently do, when it comes to the subject matter

[rare heart]

eh

Thin ice

[untold ingot]

Lack of awareness to potential issues isn't a good thing imo

[tropic crag]

Did you intentionally not read the first part, orrrr

[stray elm]

I was taking into everyone's consideration of age.
And ARK has a decently large underage community. So that's why I thought of that, since in a community with a 50/50 split of 18+ and 18- players, situations like that could arise more often.

[rare heart]

But why

do it at all

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's something that should be avoided like the plague

[tropic crag]

Isn't Ark rated T? Or like M at this point lol

[stray elm]

Rated-T

[rare heart]

Adopting kids in games 👍

Pre established kids from the story of a game 👍

Having kids in games

[tropic crag]

So The Sims is just off the table lmao

[rare heart]

Oh true

[stray elm]

Medieval dynasty does it fine, since it's a single-player game, and the screen fades out.

[untold ingot]

The Sims isn't a violent dinosaur war survival game

[rare heart]

i guess ill say it can work if it fits

I dont think it fits here

[stray elm]

Which is why I say player x NPC baby-creation is fine, personally.
It just gets a bit weird and convoluted if you allow player x player baby-making.

[rare heart]

Hopefully that will never exist

[untold ingot]

It'll get shut down almost immediately if it does happen

[tropic crag]

Making children in games is not an issue, nor is it when it's between two players, as long as it isn't a game where the rating denotes that children are allowed

[untold ingot]

Even the mods doing that in ark1 got shut down

[tropic crag]

If the game has the rating of E or T, then sure, leave the baby making out

Anything past 18+ is fair game

[stray elm]

Yeah, rating is important.
If Conan had that feature, it wont be horrible since it's Rated-M, and already got nudity.
But with ARK, a Rated-T game, that's a bit weird.

[untold ingot]

Ark isn't 18+,and I would vastly prefer it stay that way personally

[stray elm]

A kid shouldn't be playing Conan anyways.
But a kid can't help play ARK when it's marketed to both kids and adults.

[untold ingot]

Ark is a great one to play with family. Make it 18+ and it loses that quality

[stray elm]

I think ARK-2 may be Rated-M, only for the more gory shit. (the steam page warns about more gore.)

[untold ingot]

Hopefully not

[stray elm]

"Mature Content, specifically violence, can occur against other players or creatures within the fantasy setting of our game at any time and is not gated. This would primarily be demonstrated when players use their fists, melee weapons, ranged weapons, or tamed creatures against other players and/or other creatures. Violence may also be demonstrated when wild npc creatures choose to attack player characters and/or other wild or tamed creatures within the game world. Depictions of and reactions to violence (by targeted player character or creature) are not realistically portrayed and the level of blood associated with these acts is mild and limited."
Yep, sounds like it'll be Rated-M

Oooh, I wonder if creatures/players will have layers, like the demons in DOOM-Eternal?

[tropic crag]

In a perfect world, all the gory and explicit games would be rated 18+ and there would be no kids of any age playing them, but we all know that kids play GTA 5 all the time, same with CoD

[untold ingot]

Are not realistically portrayed, and level of blood is mild and limited. Doesn't sound m to me

It sounds a lot like ark1

[stray elm]

Ahh, I see.

Possibly a bit more bruising.

Ha...ha....'bruising'

[tropic crag]

Whe

[stray elm]

Anyway, yeah. I think ARK should steer away from baby-makin.
But if it 'did' have the feature, I think it should be player x NPC only.

Next topic

Hopefully lightning storms can actually fucking hit you in ARK-2

[untold ingot]

Rain making the ground wet and rivers stronger would be cool too

[verbal wind]

leave the diddling to adult mods

[untold ingot]

A flash flood would be epic

[stray elm]

TRUE!

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if ARK-2's modding scene got the attention that Skyrim has.

[untold ingot]

Being an old game?

[stray elm]

Go on Skyrim's Nexus and you'll see what I mean

[tropic crag]

That ain't nexus you're talkin' about

But uhh, let's not

[stray elm]

By the way, Bruise. What're your opinions on having the ocean more lethal?

[untold ingot]

Ocean should be lethal

But not to big ships

[stray elm]

I do think though Tuso's and Mosa's should still have the chance to agro on large ships.

[verbal wind]

on the one hand Leeds help keep people from turtling on big rafts. on the other hand Leeds are butts because I want to make a raft base

[untold ingot]

I feel like having raft bases is kind of a necessity really

But that's because I like to derp around and have mobility

[verbal wind]

and paracers/brontos are too slow

[untold ingot]

Yeah, and super vulnerable

[untold totem]

hello paleo conan

[winged dome]

Romping around on a Paracer base is a lot of fun though - totally not viable in PvP, and even PvE has its hardships since all wilds can attack straight through structures and destroy everything inside

[rare heart]

Id rather have what platform saddles are now to be something designed around like 1 land creature and 1 sea creature

id rather have some lord of the rings elephant saddles instead honestly

Also paracers to not be ugly as hell, and to exist in the arid desert WHERE IT BELONGS

Not in the fricking swamps!!

[rare heart]

Mammals in this game at least should be opting for speed over their dinosaur counterpart

Paracer especially

[prisma pike]

Racer tube op

[wanton pike]

I thought they lived in the savannah 🙈

[rare heart]

Close enough

[blissful perch]

Distinctly different biomes but we ball

[blissful perch]

It’s also a requirement that something exist to clear said raft bases, lest they ruin the world like they did in ark 1

[blissful perch]

“More”? What’s not lethal in ark 1’s ocean other than coel

[south lance]

ichthy

trilobite

basically it

carbonymus?

[split dove]

Megachelon and basi as well

[untold ingot]

Decay timer? Only one boat per tribe?

You don't exactly see oceans full of spammed boats in atlas, so just do what they did

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure ark 1 rafts have a timer like any tame/structure does?

[untold ingot]

They are easily made and easily spammed

And there was basically an unlimited number of them allowed

There are other ways to make sure the oceans aren't full of rafts that doesn't necessitate a creature that will destroy it when you are offline

[blissful perch]

I do think rafts in the shallows should be safe - issue with ark 1 was Leeds could chase you to shore

[vapid panther]

It would be challenging to have surf and waves in general. Make it so you have to choose where to beach your boat. Maybe even tidal waves created by weather events! Maybe allow breakwaters and marinas? It'd bring a whole new thing for Bobs to worry about!

[tropic forge]

dude this aint that movie ready player one, wildcard can barely make a roadmap in time and you want them to make ocean patterns whit weather behavior?

[vapid panther]

We have no idea when the roadmap was ready for release. Just that they chose to do it this week. And they already said weather and world events are in the game so it's not beyond their skill. I chose to believe in the 99% good and not dwell on the 1% bad.

[tropic forge]

damn you must have play other game and come here than 🤣 and they did say when roadmap was gonna be release which was this month but not the day so stop whit the excuses its a damn roadmap kids do that in history class at the very minimum and talk about bad did you notice dolie promise the "next thing you will see from us will be a gameplay" and not a damn roadmap that took a entire month just to be release on the last day if not on the next they so they can say it was april fool's day

[past wind]

the 31 is still march, so... if they release by friday they did on time

[vapid panther]

Huh? You've never heard of timing your release? As i said, the roadmap could have been done months ago and they chose to do it now. Could be a hundred reasons. You apparently choose to believe that people are incapable of doing well. And they haven't said no gameplay during roadmap so I'll wait till facts come out. Just cause they aren't doing what you want doesn't mean they aren't doing a decent job.

[tropic forge]

whit wildcard thats a big if 🤣

[past wind]

The gameplay, yeah, they changed that. But if they didn't do that we wouldn't have seen those concept arts or the roadmap

[tropic forge]

aint about what i want but what they promise just to go back on their word and a gameplay aint the worst they have done whit going back whit their word

[past wind]

I believe they will release it by them. Real question is: Will it contain relevant info about Ark 2?

I'm not so sure, but I hope it will.

[vapid panther]

They havent lied. Concept art is not talking about the game. The roadmap should fall under the category of talking so thats when i expect gameplay.

[past wind]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree

[tropic forge]

concept art aint a gameplay, gameplay is you seeing someone else playing the game... like see they moving around doing stuff not pictures

[past wind]

They have even stated they had changed their minds about that and decided to release things before the gameplay

[split dove]

Despite anticipating our next showing of ARK 2 to be a gameplay showcase, we see the hunger and eagerness for more ARK 2 information, and we get it. We’ve decided to give you a peek behind the curtain and begin showcasing more ARK 2 tidbits regularly as we lead up to the first gameplay trailer. We hope you enjoy these appetizers, and we can’t wait for you to get your hands on the main course
blame the people whining for more stuff as the reason they didn't show gameplay next

[tropic crag]

Not once they became enforced under/by the tribe limit they didn't

They take 20 slots, iirc?

[tropic forge]

that was after dolie said about gameplay right?

[split dove]

yes -__-

[past wind]

AFAIK only when you build on them

[vapid panther]

Again, its an interpretation of talking. Gameplay is coming when they talk about the game.

[past wind]

Read the above by FLOBS

[tropic forge]

so i stand correct, they went back on their word, maybe when they record the gameplay a anky fall trought the map and they were like "shit we need more time, hey ced tell them you gonna showcase art pics of what is to come and delay more time whit a roadmap, that should do it" 🤣

[tropic crag]

I'll place one down in a moment to confirm

[past wind]

It's a quote from them. They recognized the community's appetite for new info and decided to change their minds

[vapid panther]

Above statement doesnt say... here is us talking about the game instead of gameplay. It says we aren't ready to talk so look at this in the meantime.

[tropic forge]

call that bullshit, concept art aint crap next to a gameplay i know you know everyone knows it

[split dove]

Wildcard has almost always shared concept for DLC's leading up to the gameplay and release

[past wind]

I didn't say that... I said they CHANGED THEIR MINDS about the gameplay and just started sharing other info

Obviously a gameplay would be better than concept arts. But concept arts are better than nothing

[tropic forge]

what??? i dont recall once they share concepts before release of dlc's at all, i do recall them showcase ab like a week before release and that was it

[past wind]

Maybe you don't watch their streams then

They have always did that

[split dove]

it's not always just concept arts, it was also the torn dossiers and recently renderd images like Gen 2 had leading up to release

[vapid panther]

I think another way to see this is they never said they wouldn't releaae concept art before gameplay. The community wants gameplay and any thing less is percieved as a deceitful.

[tropic crag]

Fox, you ok, bud? You need to take your meds or something?

[tropic forge]

shit they did more than trailers for gen 2 before releasing they said ark 2 was coming even before gen 2 was out but i dont remember anyone talking about gameplay of gen 2 at all, i was watching a chinese guy play gen2 so i could get a idea of the map to pick a spot to build, gameplay i only see for ab i dont even recall for extinction and for gen1 i was on a ark break

[tropic forge]

naa i just dont kiss their buts and make excuses for them

[tropic crag]

Whe

[split dove]

Wheft

[tropic crag]

They aren't excuses LMAO you are delusional

[past wind]

You read the quote above where they clearly stated they have changed their minds? It's not about how we read it, they recon the gameplay would take longer and changed their minds.

Here: Despite anticipating our next showing of ARK 2 to be a gameplay showcase, we see the hunger and eagerness for more ARK 2 information, and we get it. We’ve decided to give you a peek behind the curtain and begin showcasing more ARK 2 tidbits regularly as we lead up to the first gameplay trailer. We hope you enjoy these appetizers, and we can’t wait for you to get your hands on the main course

[split dove]

God this is entertaining 🚬

[tropic crag]

They simply changed their minds upon seeing the players whine 24/7 for info, and then when they did show the concepts, those same players are suddenly all "OMFG are you KIDDING me they LIED how dare they those bastards wtfffffff!!!!11!!!"

[split dove]

we're talking about ark players after all, the same people that threaten the devs when servers are down for 3 minutes

[tropic crag]

Sadly, yes

[past wind]

Just to be clear, Im happy they changed their minds. That's not my point. LOL

[vapid panther]

Yeah. It doesn't say they changed their mind about gameplay and talking. It says the realize the time untill they release gameplay is longer than people want so they filled the hole.

[past wind]

We would be on the dark if they didn't

[past wind]

Ok, man.

[tropic crag]

Oh no I got ya, I'm happy they did too, was a minor misstep to make a promise like that and WC knows that now, I'd imagine 😅

[split dove]

this is a win until gameplay is shared, but i guess they would rather want radio silence for half a year instead? 🤣

[tropic crag]

FR thoooooough, like make up your minds, whiny ark community, do you want the fucking reveals or not goddamn

Quit flip flopping so gd much

[split dove]

and ya wonder why i want ark 2 to draw in new players to replace some of the old ones

[tropic crag]

I honestly hope that portion of the fanbase dies off and is replaced with people who have half a brain

[split dove]

we need to up the standard of ark chatters having combined -31 iq

[tropic crag]

Would be a marked improvement for SURE

[vapid panther]

Sorry to seem argumentive. I am ok with how their progressing. I just get frustrated with the negativity of others.

[past wind]

My whole point is, like Bruising said, they did a wrong move back then and learned from that. But saying they stick to their word isn't right.

And not keeping their word on that was good

[past wind]

Nah, I'm hyped for ark 2. I don't have a negative view of it.

Just a bit frustrated with WC's erratic behavior when comes to PR

[hidden parrot]

[tropic crag]

I mean, I dunno about that, they usually keep their word. The only reason they changed their tune on the gameplay footage thing was because of the whiners

[past wind]

But I'm fine with it actually. All devs are a bit messy when comes to PR.

[tropic crag]

We would've got nothing until the gameplay footage and been fine, if not for the whiny asshats that we call our equals, begrudgingly

[past wind]

In 7-8 years I can count on my fingers how many times they've kept their word. 😂

They don't have a good history, but I like their game.

[split dove]

''equal'' i would do a 1940s move on them if i could

[tropic crag]

I need more than just my fingers to count how many times they've kept their word, but I can easily count on one hand when they haven't

The only times I can remember them not keeping their word are as follows;

1. When they said they'd add the carcharo waaaay back in 2015 (which eventually they did so I don't really count it anymore)
2. When they said there'd be explosive shotgun ammo in the initial store page blurb for Aberration (which I am fine with now, seeing as how it probably would've been broken OP garbage anyways and abused)
3. When they said they'd do another TLC after the Wyvern/Drake/invertebrate breeding TLC, which I'm still waiting on. Any day now. Pls

[split dove]

we got the Carchar giga tlc

[tropic crag]

But by all means, list me other examples, please.

List examples of WC not keeping their word challenge (impossible)

[tropic crag]

(I just want breedable basilisks and for reaper queens to be tamable/raiseable, perhaps with an extremely low chance of it being a queen when you get impregnated please that's all I ask 🙏 )

[split dove]

the mod ''no untameables'' we use on our servers has that for reaper queens

but i don't think those things will really happen anymore

[tropic crag]

I know, which is why I want it to be base as I know it can be done and then I can have it on my Xbox cluster

[potent hull]

if you build it they will com

[tropic forge]

damn it reallly escape your mind when they go back on their word whit continue support to legacy servers 3 days before officials when live or legacy servers would not be deleted if they had continue players on them (i wasent play but still talking to those were on my legacy server, there was about 20 ppl on daily and they delete the server "due to low population") (this was on PS)

[tropic crag]

They never promised to keep legacy up, but ok

[worldly garden]

I'm not sure if this was pointed out later on as I don't have time to read all the responses lol, but the tweet actually said "the next time we talk about or share anything related to #ark-survival-ascended2, it will be gameplay (yay!)" so yes you are correct about the talking aspect, but concepts fall under 'sharing' ARK 2 stuff.

[tropic forge]

bullshit i was there, read the both posts, the one they said they would continue giving support to those servers and the next one when they said they would not continue support the legacy servers

[tropic crag]

I played on legacy The Center 805 and The Island 423, was alpha on both. Trust me, I read every single BIT of those posts regarding legacy, they never once said they were going to keep all the servers up forever. Go back and reread em, bud.

[past wind]

I was talking about postponements. Like (almost) every map/major update/TLC/DLC was postponed. Like I said, it's basic dev behavior: overpromisse and underdeliver. LOL

[lime forge]

You’ve never been alpha

Not even in your single player world

[past wind]

I just wanted them to keep quiet until they can release things

[past wind]

Shut, he played on single player and got wiped by pve forces?

[vital ocean]

will ark 2 have some upscaling technology?

[past wind]

Probably DLSS, but we will have to wait confirmation

[vital ocean]

no fsr?

[past wind]

I say dlss because in 2018 Nvidia announced Ark as one of the tiles that would get dlss

BUT they never implemented, so... LOL

[tropic crag]

Well, that's not quite the same thing. I guess maybe somewhere in there, the term was mentioned and was picked up, which is understandable

[vital ocean]

hahahha 2018, thats so long ago, typical ark😂

[past wind]

I'm talking about messy PR. It doesnt bode well for the community, even more for a toxic one. LOL

[tropic crag]

Do you know who Spartans is? What about Azure? Or maybe PB&J?

[past wind]

We fought back then

I was in MERCOSUL then BLDX LOL

I hated raisinblood

F*cking MF

[tropic crag]

Spartans were our beta tribe, Azure was my best bud lol. We did everything together, even transported his giga line (the 2nd best gigas on all of official at the time) across 805 in a train, from blue ob to the ice castle

[past wind]

Actually raisinblood was in BlackKnights LOL

[tropic crag]

But once official became legacy, he stopped playing like I did I think, all I remember hearing was that Spartans took over after they found our bases

[past wind]

But I remember joining some raids against spartans

Never heard about Azure

are you talking about pc?

or consoles?

[tropic crag]

Didn't think so, sit down 😤

[tropic crag]

Xbox

[past wind]

Wrong platform then LOL

There was an Spartans on PC, but they were alphas in some servers

[tropic crag]

Azure was his short name, not tryin to say his full GT for his privacy

But yeah it was the same Spartans, they played on both

[past wind]

I wouldn't know anyway

Only played on PC since 2015

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

Why tf is my G key getting all wacky now? I have to retype my Gs like four times 🥲

[potent hull]

we are all king of ark2 till we be com big and do not die in game to much

[untold ingot]

March 31st yes. Seeing as that is still in the future

[winged dome]

🍻

My man already knew the answer, and yet asked anyway 😂
Pinnacle Ark chatter

[split dove]

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[potent hull]

ark to beer shape like this for all

[untold ingot]

Friday

[potent hull]

yes Friday

when ark 2 com out do not for get to say to there players welcome to your new home lol

[untold ingot]

I don't welcome players to my home, usually they try to steal my stuff lol

[potent hull]

i play pve or they sleep in your bead lol

[stray elm]

If anyone comes to my property, I'll fucking blast their ass.

PvE or PvP, get the fuck off my base.

[prisma pike]

If I played PvE and someone went afk in my base I'd box em lol

[ebon current]

Just build them a thatch resort right by your house :)

Then when they go offline, blow them to hell

[untold ingot]

I heard tell that there was a guy on official who collected low level players who quit (obviously before the changed being able to drag logged off players in pve)

[torn hearth]

you can still drag logged off players, people still drag them anywhere

[untold ingot]

Oh, I thought that got patched awhile ago

[tropic crag]

I was gonna say, still drag people all the time lol

[untold ingot]

Obviously I am up to date with pve lol

[rare heart]

Pve wars are the most interesting because people have no idea what theyre doing so they come up with the craziest shit

[haughty ore]

i wanna know if i can still kidnap people

in ARK of course

[untold totem]

Wrong chat

This is for ARK 2 only

[haughty ore]

yes because im totally asking if i can kidnap people knowing thats already a feature in ark 1

[unborn galleon]

Am ready!! For Friday. I can't wait for the news and get Pissed off at Ark 2 being pushed 5 years further from release

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[untold totem]

Imagine the roadmap is delayed because it's April 1 in some countries

[unborn galleon]

Can't wait for them to say here it is. Your half assed unreal engine 5 Ark 1, oh BTW Ark 2 being pushed to 2030

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