ark-2

[lyric kayak]

its too much work for me

they should simplify it so I can do it lol

[gentle monolith]

its fun tho

[tawny juniper]

It’s a challenge and takes time which is the whole point of the system

[untold ingot]

I mean, I think it should be more complex, but have less of a complete monopoly on playtime

[lyric kayak]

that would be better for sure

thats what I meant

anyone can do it, it just takes a lot of time

adding "enable mating" was very nice

[tawny juniper]

Every MMORPG was time based playing time in game is reward with either more resources more tames better tames ETC if time isn’t reward why play the game?

[lyric kayak]

some dinos have to be so close to mate

the time should be in how long the dino takes

to raise

not how long it takes to breed 100 dinos

[tawny juniper]

Sorry on my phone so the lack of punctuation makes some of these sentences hard to read

[lyric kayak]

thats what we mean

[untold ingot]

Ark currently has something close to a 1 to 2000 scale between basic gear and good gear. I can't think of any other game in existence where that was a thing and people called it balanced lol

[lyric kayak]

lol ur right

[tawny juniper]

Heard of WOW?

[lyric kayak]

crafting characters are broken

[tawny juniper]

World of Warcraft most successful MMORPG of all time

[lime forge]

WoW gear and Ark gear are nothing alike

[tawny juniper]

But WOW has a greater than 1 to 2000 scale

[lyric kayak]

armor should give different benefits. not just defence.

[untold ingot]

Does the 1 have to fight the 2000 every day of gameplay?

[lyric kayak]

everyone only uses flak

[tawny juniper]

It does often keeps out cold and hot and makes less durability DMG

[lyric kayak]

yeah temperature

[tawny juniper]

Flak is the best armor in the game because it can get the highest armor and only requires basic resources

[lyric kayak]

lots of games have movement penalty's

[tawny juniper]

Weight is the movement penalty in ark

[lyric kayak]

and even buffs to your character

[untold ingot]

Flak is the only viable armor in ark1, which makes it very uninteresting

[lime forge]

I don’t really view this as a gear issue.

[tawny juniper]

Tek is so duped cap suits are viable for everything LMAO

[lyric kayak]

conan has stat increase

[lyric kayak]

thats why I quit the game

what about set bonuses in ark lol

I wonder if the devs read this chat for ideas

[tawny juniper]

Absolutely not

[lyric kayak]

if so, make the diplodocus the most op dino in ark 2

[lime forge]

Something needs done to disincentivize attacking people who have played the game for a day when you yourself has played for 5 years.

[untold ingot]

They do read this chat on occasion lol

[tawny juniper]

I destroy bob bases just so people don’t have the suffer of getting addicted to a game with shit devs who can’t fix cheats for shit

[lyric kayak]

I want to be one of the pve threat characters

[lime forge]

I mean they’re already adding multiple rpg elements. I wouldn’t be opposed to set bonuses.

[lime forge]

Oh. You’re one of those guys lol

[lyric kayak]

bobs make the best tribemates

you can groom them

lol

[tawny juniper]

Oh fuck me a cheater just turned my tribed generator off

With cheats good game

[stray elm]

Ayo, what the fuck?

[lyric kayak]

I mean you can turn them into hardcore pve grinders

mold them

[stray elm]

Why are you grooming people?

[lyric kayak]

because we need more metal foundations of course

[stray elm]

You.....you do know what grooming is, right?

[lyric kayak]

manipulate them into doing things because they have limited knowledge

its a joke

its also true

[lime forge]

You….you do know homonyms exist right?

[lyric kayak]

yeah thats it

they should add baby dinos walking around

following their mothers

like minecraft pocket edition

[gritty nexus]

I really hope ark 2 you can be further then 250 meters from the host in none servers shits annoying

[untold ingot]

That probably can't be helped, just because computers aren't all super computers

[potent hull]

it will only be on you lol i do not think the new ark2 onue5 i will be good then ark 1

[gritty nexus]

Huh sorry i have no idea what your trying to say

[gritty nexus]

Yeah I get that but like a slider or something that could change it would be nice

[untold ingot]

There is on pc, but most consoles can't support it

[tropic crag]

Current consoles certainly could, lol

Also, just gotta say, love the gatekeeping, PvP, dev haters in here today, amazing flex that you waste time playing the least desirable form of the game to exist 🤣

[lyric kayak]

bro is a pve player but also toxic

nobody is hating on the devs

[south lance]

pve v pvp player shenanigans

[tropic crag]

You must be joking

[untold totem]

Well it's not like a severe ass death threat like most devs got

[lyric kayak]

do you count criticizing ark 1 as dev hating?

[tropic crag]

No, but I count this as it, LMAO

[south lance]

shark has a point but like 80% of people shitting on devs are xbox pvp players

[lyric kayak]

well that guy is not wrong

[untold totem]

Last time I checked, I still play the game despite me downright criticizing both ARK 2 and ARK Anime

Hell I find the new SOTF more enjoyable

[south lance]

he isnt

[lyric kayak]

sotf is fun

[south lance]

thats kinda why i want ark2

offi is lost cause

[lyric kayak]

yeah idc about ark 1 anymore

duping, meshing, ddoss.

why would I play that

[south lance]

the moment you normalize 30 hour sessions is where you know you went wrong

[lyric kayak]

if ddoss is still a thing ill play. but mesh and dup need fix

imo dupe is worst

[south lance]

i dont think those are the worst even

[lyric kayak]

litteraly the only problem with the game other than I dont like caves

but maybe thats just me

[south lance]

like its bad enough to quit offi over

but even if you fix them the mode is fundementally terrible

[lyric kayak]

pve players got nothing to complain about other than spam they cant destroy.

[untold totem]

If they resort back to ATLAS like primitive

I think that somewhat solve some issues about caves

You need an NPC to controll the turrets

[lyric kayak]

that will be great

[south lance]

pvp is the only reason they cant effectively godmode with a pt

thats the source of pve anger imo

[lyric kayak]

im lost

[south lance]

pvp balancing nerfs pve tames

[lyric kayak]

oh yeah

[south lance]

pve complains about those nerfs

[untold totem]

Ah the speed nerf

[lyric kayak]

I think speed nerf was fine

why reduce the stamina so much lol

who cares though that was years ago

[south lance]

its not just speed

its any nerf at all

[lyric kayak]

I only recall like 4 occasions where stat changes happened on dinos

[untold totem]

TBF realistically, PTs aren't meant to carry people

[south lance]

like, whens the last time something needed to be buffed immediately after release to be relevant

[lyric kayak]

mostly mana nerfs

[south lance]

its nerfs across the board

every dino gets untouched or nerfed

except years later

[lyric kayak]

the thing is that things do need buff

they only nerf though

[south lance]

yes

[lyric kayak]

unless its a tlc

[south lance]

so many things need to be brought back to relevancy

[lyric kayak]

or just adding bleed to any random dino

[south lance]

but it doesnt happen

[lyric kayak]

bleeds that dont even work the same

and all look different lol

for real the diplos need a buff

[south lance]

its aesthetically lazy but its some variety ig

yeah both diplos

xd

[lyric kayak]

diplos need a tech saddle

or they need a platform saddle

[south lance]

i dont think scaling things for mid and early game works in ark

end game is too achievable and becomes permanent afterwards

[lyric kayak]

Agreed

they know where dino stats will end up

but its hard to balance unless people play test

using the actual dino at max stats

which people just wont have

I wonder how many dinos the game will launch with

[potent hull]

123 we need new ark 2 news shark go fish for some news lol

[south lance]

wonder if most dinos should be buffed up to current end game standards or if endgame should be scaled back to make the rest of the game viable

[south lance]

i heard therell be fewer in the initial roster

than like, ark1 island roster

[lyric kayak]

they should start small

[lavish rain]

@south lance stop tweaking out

[south lance]

your mother tweakin out

[lyric kayak]

dung beetle needs a buf

why are toilets so op? devs dont know about toilet glitch?

[south lance]

they probably are fine with it

[lyric kayak]

does not actually matter but its funny

[lavish rain]

Tweaker

[lyric kayak]

toilet needs a re work

[mint swan]

when ark2 release?

[lyric kayak]

toilets in ark 2?

[south lance]

tomorrow

[mint swan]

30 des 2023?

[lyric kayak]

6 months

[mint swan]

lol

[lyric kayak]

its will release in the next 6 months

get hyped

[mint swan]

not get hype

still long

[lyric kayak]

not long at all lol

if its ready in the next 6 months thats huge

[mint swan]

hope not get alot bug

[lyric kayak]

I hope the devs all get 8 hours of sleep every night

more sleep = less bugs

[mint swan]

haha

[lyric kayak]

please allow me to shoot my gun more than once before I have to put it away and take it back out

we need two headed creature mutations

lol

[mint swan]

i hope giganotosaurus become normal size

[lyric kayak]

yeah its huge compaired to real life

[mint swan]

yeah

[lyric kayak]

one thing also, spinos are not even aquatic.

[mint swan]

yes

[lyric kayak]

I wonder if they care

[mint swan]

i hope so

[lyric kayak]

spinos are for sure getting in the game

all of the commonly known dinos

its hype

[untold ingot]

Spinos are the new rexes

Rexes are only famous because of jurrasic Park, spinos are famous because they are actually cool lol

[late compass]

Rexes can bite a spino’s head off easily

[untold ingot]

I mean, that's typically not how actual fights happen

[untold totem]

Spinos is also famous for JP 3 because of the Rex V Spino argument

Only the Theri and the Giga is more known in ARK until the new JW film

[untold ingot]

Theri >> giga

[untold totem]

Anyways ARK 2

[lime forge]

That’s not true. I knew what a rex was before Jurassic park. But I never would have heard of a spino if it wasn’t for Jurassic park 3

[untold ingot]

I didn't know what jurrasic Park was until I was like 20

[untold totem]

I swear you failed your mod duties to keep the chat on topic

🗞️

[lime forge]

We’re talking about Jurassic pARK 2

[slender barn]

Not wrong

[mint swan]

Ark 2 should have cars and i don't mean like.. ferraris or something, like a cart or something

[wanton pike]

I always wished they would’ve made a raft version but for on land, so basically a plateau on wheels where you can build on whatever you’d like.

Hope they will add that to ark 2

[mint swan]

that's what i mean, thanks for explaining better 😄

would be pretty cool

and i mean, can we build a tek dinosaur cloner and a so on, we should be avaible to build atleast a motorbike

Would be cool if you make a theme park and you have a tour car and stuff

[wanton pike]

Yh that would be nice. I reckon they haven’t add anything like that purely because it will probably cause more bugs and glitches to the game. I imagine that the coding alone would be awful

[mint swan]

probably lol

[steel lichen]

If wildcard decides to add FPP, how would that even work with the souls-like combat mechanics that they are planning to add, which usually is TPP.

[lime forge]

WildCard is not adding first person to Ark 2.

[steel lichen]

you think so? I feel like they might add it and if they don't, there will probably be a mod for it, which I still can't understand how it would work with this type of combat

[lime forge]

They’ve already said it’s only gonna be third person, but I would expect it to be modded in quickly. I also don’t expect it to be a quality mod that adds anything good to gameplay because parkour, and souls like combat would be pretty bad in first person.

[iron sequoia]

Yea they have stated it won’t be added

[wanton pike]

I thought they said it could easily be modded in, and that they are still considering adding first person later.

Idc though, I always use 3rd person anyways

[worldly garden]

They said it can be modded in, but don't think they've ever said about considering adding it later.

[thick moat]

Maybe have the view change to 3rd person after going into combat mode while having everything else 1st person with optional 3rd person toggle

[blissful perch]

Scaled back. Easy answer 😛

I’ve always been a proponent of the power curve being shallow in a survival game though

[naive junco]

Well it's not really conjugated, since in hungarian, the simplest form of a verb is it's singular third person form.

[south lance]

ta same but idk how to keep the longevity

[blissful perch]

Side grades or make people breed for unique skills on creatures

Or accept that like most games you don’t need to endlessly progress and creep up your power to be engaged

[timid raptor]

i dont mind 3P only for combat, but building in 3P sucks! Conan pulled this off well, having weapon out pushes you into 3P. not a hard problem to solve.

so i've not followed as deeply on news lately, has there been any extra news on status for release this year since the announcement at the game show thingy?

or is that still last 'official' word

[untold totem]

Not really

It still sucks

[timid raptor]

you do combat in 1P?

[untold totem]

Talking about building

[timid raptor]

oh i agree 3P building sucks, what I meant about conan is ABILITY to still have 1P in a 3P game, they allow 1P, but force 3P for combat

[untold totem]

If they want to force us to 3rd person just make the character invisible client side but still remained visible server side

[timid raptor]

uh you dont want that, good luck with parkour on that lol

[untold totem]

1st person is more immersive in PVE as you appreciate the scale

Megs looked smaller in 3rd

[timid raptor]

have you never played conan or grounded? 1P combat sucks there lol, you want that FOV To see enemy attacks better to block

[untold totem]

I don't care about PVP, they just do whatever they can to optimize

Immersion be dammed

[timid raptor]

well immersion and combat tactics are different 😛

i meant PVE combat too

[untold totem]

You will sense fear in 1st person

I think there is a game that is dedicated 1st person with parkour and combat mechanic

Dying Light I think

[abstract dragon]

Yesir

[timid raptor]

ready for some ark2 now, i've 'beat' ark1 in all the senses I care about, but prob about to play modded as I haven't done that before, was playing Conan modded but it seems I just can't play that game w/o my progression being wiped shortly after starting in every single server ive played (mostly admins choosing to server wipe)

[abstract dragon]

Vegans fear aikar for his profile banner

[timid raptor]

oh yes 😛

[untold totem]

#WipeOfficial

[timid raptor]

I eat steaks 4-5+ times a week 😛

[abstract dragon]

I should tell this vegan i know about ark

[untold totem]

Back to ARK 2

[timid raptor]

vegan usually crosses lines with PETA which yeah PETA hates ARK so badly

[abstract dragon]

Ark 2 gonna be lit

Peta wouldnt aprove of my poly farm

[untold totem]

Back to ARK 2

[timid raptor]

they need an ark2 dedicated news channel so it can be separately subscribed to and consumed w/o filtering through ark1 news 😦

[untold totem]

This is the chat

[timid raptor]

this isn't an official news channel that discord server owners can subscribe to 😛

[blissful perch]

Good immersive third person shouldn’t have zooming out I agree with ya there 😅

But take monster hunter world. Amazingly immersive, you had a damn good sense of scale, and you got the snot scared out of you every time you ran into the funky monkey

All in third person

[untold totem]

TBF the monsters are huge to begin with

Unlike in ARK they have to play with real scale or even small creatures

Even smaller babies

[abstract dragon]

Third person has 2 varitions, still cam like ark or moving cam like gta

Ark 2 better have a still cam

[blissful perch]

Monster hunter world has small monsters that are about raptor sized and endemic life that’s as small as the dragonflies and ants of ark

[untold totem]

But the smaller ones are interactive like ARK?

Or it is just there to be pretty

[blissful perch]

They can be attacked and caught if that’s your question

[untold totem]

Bare in mind small babies are a pain to raise in 3rd person

[abstract dragon]

Ark 2 island mod is ehat i need to see

How will the maps work in 3rd person

[timid raptor]

? what would change there

[untold totem]

Like how you play ARK normally lol

[elfin pumice]

wdym

[timid raptor]

ark1 has 3P lol

[abstract dragon]

You have to go to first person to check your map

[timid raptor]

oh, prob wont be that lame system anymore

just open a map like every other game lmao

[abstract dragon]

I love the handheld map it makes the game emersive

[timid raptor]

immersion people sure might hate it, but really thats such an unimportant detail

having your marker on the map breaks immersion, and no marker makes the map damn useless

[abstract dragon]

The sad truth...

[blissful perch]

There are other better ways to maintain immersion

[abstract dragon]

Markers are like thumtacks tho

[blissful perch]

For example it’s immersive to have the map get wet in the rain and disintegrate. But it’s horrid for gameplay and thus isn’t something people want to add

[untold totem]

Tbh no player tracker in the map is immersive yet hard lol
Especially ATLAS with almost invisible player tracker

[timid raptor]

IRL you arent GPS locating yourself to update the thumbtack position every time you open it, and if you dont have a GPS, you wouldn't have accurate position anyways

[abstract dragon]

Like making the ai travle in herds

[astral token]

They’re moving in herds! GIF here

[abstract dragon]

I was meaning the markerd not player tracker

[timid raptor]

i do hope they continue a style of grid design like atlas though but a bit more optimized/smoother.

it does create an interesting way to expand world size as a community grows

[untold totem]

Through the power of future Tek

Waterproof maps exists

[abstract dragon]

Ark with lumen will be fire, just like my pc running ark with lumen

[astral token]

It can be simulated with a movement speed debuff depending on terrain tags during rain

[elfin pumice]

so more map regions unlock the more players have joined the server?

[untold totem]

The grid system is nice for RP and PVE

PVP will rage because of latency

[astral token]

Will ARK II trump Cyberpunk in the bugs category of steam reviews? 😂

[untold totem]

I could go with a Sea of Thieves route of having your tribe pop out within the side of the grid to prevent from spawn kill but .. I dunno

Hard to balance out greedy PVPers

[untold totem]

Pokemon S/V beats it out of the water

[astral token]

ARK II is a sandbox game

Truee!

[floral umbra]

I hope in Ark2 people will have too progress thru the game too get too for example another map, so the only way too unlock it is play, not just jump around maps and cherry pick all the good stuff

[pulsar stratus]

whats a sandbox game ?

[untold totem]

I am talking about solving the grid map system

[astral token]

No my meaning was fuck the greedy PvPers

[untold totem]

Non Linear kind of play with endless ways of playing

[pulsar stratus]

is ark 1 also sandbox game ?

[untold totem]

Minimal NPCs and settlements

Yep

[naive junco]

where you can do whatever you want without a strict story. A story can still be there, it's just not the main point and doesn't affect the gameplay too much.

[astral token]

It is

[naive junco]

of course

[pulsar stratus]

any possible release date ?

[astral token]

Did any of u see those biome concepts

[elfin pumice]

this year probably

[astral token]

Which 1 guy uploaded to Artstation by accident

And then took it down later

[pulsar stratus]

i just upgraded my PC just to play ark 2

[astral token]

Bruh

[timid raptor]

anytime of 2023 unless wildcard pulls a wildcard and delays again

[naive junco]

which it most likely will

[astral token]

I have my tea and I am settled for the long haul

[elfin pumice]

i trust WC this time

[timid raptor]

'trust', living life dangerously

[blissful perch]

I trust 2023

[astral token]

Of those “floating islands”, and the mushroom forest

[blissful perch]

I don’t trust Q1-2 2023 😂

[timid raptor]

I am not misremembering things right? they did mention Q1-Q2 to somewhere before right?

[astral token]

Yea

[timid raptor]

but id expect much more news to be flowing already if it was Q1

[astral token]

Within 1 year of June 2022

[timid raptor]

so def rule that out

[astral token]

I expect a gameplay trailer at Xbox Games Showcase

[blissful perch]

WC hasn’t said Q1-2 2023

[elfin pumice]

When is that

[astral token]

A release or early access near Extra Life and a full release in 2024 Jan or Dec

[timid raptor]

I swear I heard that mentioned officially somewhere

[astral token]

June probably

[blissful perch]

That’s imo a safe bet

[timid raptor]

Full release? LOL you're joking right 😛

this will be early access for 3 years again 😛

it's a safety net devs pull to justify larger scale changes if something doesn't work out

[blissful perch]

Oh I thought by full release he meant the EA came out

Lmao yea full release out of EA is at least 3 years away from when we get to play ark 2 in early access

[timid raptor]

they said 'and a full release' so i took that as 2 separate releases, EA first

[blissful perch]

Fair reading of it lol

[astral token]

Release or early access

[timid raptor]

im fine with it being EA, its what I expect and games of this scale is justifiable

[astral token]

Or we’ll see an early access with gameplay at the showcase

Then a release at extra life

[timid raptor]

Grounded did a good long EA, but finally 'released' and was in a damn good shape

[astral token]

But that’s being overly optimistic

[blissful perch]

Early access is confirmed by WC

…steam?

[timid raptor]

I have SeriesX and PC

[astral token]

PC gayming

[fallow niche]

Xbox series x/s, windows 10, steam.

[astral token]

Epic too I guess

[fallow niche]

They haven't said anything about epic

Only those 3.

[astral token]

Honestly mod.io destroying Steam Supremacy 😢

[timid raptor]

I orig was heavy console as I'm a work aholic and I tended to wor ktoo much while gaming on PC so console is a good forced separation, and couch gaming IS more comfortable, but ive been good lately., and im glad Steam and Xbox will be fully crossplay like Atlas was, and now WITH MODS!

[astral token]

I can just imagine the combined chaos

[timid raptor]

what?

[astral token]

On official from crossplay

The whiners will grow

[timid raptor]

do you mean cheating? thats already a thing on ark1

[naive junco]

One of the most requested things in ark 2 is to make the map hard to cross / nerf flyers. How do you think it could be done? I think weather like wind and rain could affect flyers. Rain could slow down flyers and wind would make it harder to move to one direction and easier to another.

[astral token]

No the whiners

Oh I got raided please help

[timid raptor]

what's new vs ark1? we already have cross play in ark1 too, just not steam to xbox

[astral token]

Oh he is on PC and has better controls and wiped me help, coming 2023 😎

[timid raptor]

that's already a thing in ark1 lol

[astral token]

With xbox ig

But steam users a different breed

[timid raptor]

yep, but makes no diff pc vs win10 pc, only difference is mods, and mods could least help mitigate cheating

[blissful perch]

Go to pins -> note from founders

And the steam page also has some notes on what’s new. It’s a lot

[astral token]

I think he meant wrt my message

[timid raptor]

I think you misread my message, I was asking them why they think ark2 is going to be anything new vs ark1 on topic of pc and xbox crossplay in regards to cheaters

[naive junco]

will it ever come out to ps4, or will they completely move to ps5?

[astral token]

Not cheaters just whiners in general

[timid raptor]

has it even been said it will support last gen consoles? ark1 cant even run on last gen unless OneX for PVP i can't see ark2 supporting last gen

[astral token]

Probably no PS4

[lavish rain]

[lime forge]

There’s not even any guarantees it’s coming to PlayStation at all

[blissful perch]

It’s also confirmed next Gen only

[astral token]

Classic tek bow emoji, beautiful stuff by BaK

[naive junco]

😩

[timid raptor]

i hope unofficial servers are ready day 1

[blissful perch]

They’ll likely be broken af, much like officials

[south lance]

think youd need a stupid number of creatures for this

[blissful perch]

You don’t

[south lance]

how many skills can a creature have

[blissful perch]

You may need a reasonably large skill pool

[south lance]

ig ya that could work

[blissful perch]

You’d likely not need more than 3-4 slots minimum. A large pool though is critical

[stray elm]

I love pools!!

[blissful perch]

That being said, it’s a survival game, not an RPG. Infinite progression, or really any major emphasis on post game progression, isn’t really required or desirable imo

[south lance]

i think most creatures wont be able to find any utility in most skills if said creature had a large number of skills to spec into

[blissful perch]

An extremely common rpg tactic is to vary the skill pools of different creatures as a way to differentiate them

[south lance]

if they make wipes more common and nobody gets to run away from getting wiped by weasling their way into a massive tribe, ya fine progression can be limited

[blissful perch]

For example two Pokémon having identical base stats but having different moves and abilities

[blissful perch]

Even without wipes progression can be limited. People right now are at end game and continue to play. It’s not like capping lines is the sole reason to keep playing for those folks

You need stuff to do, but it doesn’t have to endlessly make players and tames stronger against the environment

[lime forge]

Yeah. Wipes are a turn off for me. I’m cool with like Arkpoc for shits and gigs, but if all my work gets erased like it’s 2002 and my memory card corrupted officials gonna be a no for me.

[south lance]

there should be an end, but atm any conception of an end game in ark seems way too achievable let alone the optimizations players will find later

i dont know if most people would even like the current end game

[blissful perch]

It’s fine for the end to be low if there’s stuff to do after the end. PvP is a great example of that because everyone beats the boss -> you still have to sweat raids and regular PvP

[south lance]

pvp is kind of a crutch for end game content though, since youll always need to defend against people

it doesnt mean the game is fun outside pvp after all

the same can be said of mod support to an extent but i wouldnt really complain about that if modders have the ability to do whatever they want

[timid raptor]

well the benefits of an infinite progression tier is if you continously add new content thats stronger, so you're always working to gain access to newer tiers, or ability to kill bosses faster/easier. or if stuff like traits that allow you to farm easier, ie more points into weight. Atlas had an interesting system that im sure they may carry over to ark 2 (I call Atlas Ark 1.5) of capping combat related skill points so you cant go godmode even with more levels and you just pump it into weight and fort.

but pvp did have advantage of giving PURPOSE to capping lines, to gain an advantage. in pve i felt like well why make em stronger if i can already smoke the bosses.

biggest mistake ive noticed over the years on unofficial though is raising dino level cap, that made too big of an impact to power scaling

if everything in game scaled accordingly wouldnt be a big deal, but it doesn't. stuff like the dolphin was wrecking official and unofficial was laughing at it being meh. and building health not scaling. so for ark2 when i start my own server def not touching max levels.

Another way to do it is to add a secondary leveling tier after combat/progression related one that lets you earn non combat related rewards like building supplies, cosmetics, etc. give people a sense of reward for the grind

[blissful perch]

But you’re mentioning this like it’s an RPG

If ark 2 is a survival game, it doesn’t have to lean so heavily into the RPG elements

You could simply add scaling PvE challenges/dungeons and that would be plenty for post game play

[lime forge]

It is tagged as an rpg on the steam store. 😎

RPGs are cool

Survival sandboxes are cool

Roll them together and you get pure awesomeness

[lavish rain]

Yeah I like blowing things up

I hope explosives stay in ark 2

[naive junco]

XD

[potent hull]

good day ark fans

[untold ingot]

For pve there has to be a solid endgame and a great progression system yes. For pvp it has to be reachable in a reasonable amount of time.

[untold ingot]

Weather affects would be nice to limit fliers. Removing cryos and any similar carryable way to transport dps dinos or soakers while on a flier would also be nice. Having actual predators or other things that make it harder to fly would be nice too. Not necessarily untameable apexes, but something akin to the eagle VS crow arrangement. Eagles are the apex, but crows get the food

[mint swan]

anytime of 2023 includes 31 december

😂😂😂

[timid raptor]

@blissful perch i think you're associating character progression too much with RPG's, its simply a shared element of RPG and survival games and many other games. how to define your games character progression, and what 'endgame progression' is defined as, is a general game design concept, and not exclusive to rpg games.

[blissful perch]

Almost no other PvP games have endless character scaling…because it widens the stat gap between players

[untold ingot]

I think character progression needs to have some limits, specifically in things like movement speed and how good the endgame gear is. But those limits have to be achievable in a reasonable amount of time playing

[blissful perch]

The answer imo is to not rely on endless stat scaling for end/post game content 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

Conan handles player leveling a lot better than ark1 imo, and I would love to see changes more like that

[blissful perch]

It ruins the PvE and makes PvP miserable for anyone who isn’t able to quickly scale to post game and maintain constant grind to remain at “peak stats”

[thick moat]

the modular weapon system with "endless combinations" may help with human pvp on end game

depends on how they do it and how much do the differents parts of the weapon change on how it's used

[untold ingot]

It could help yes, but what I am really hoping it does is get rid of the ridiculous resource costs of items and the crazy difference between basic gear and BP gear

[thick moat]

yeah I have a feeling most of the higher tier modules will be found in the dynamic events you find in the world

more than just farming resources for the blueprint

[untold ingot]

Like a difference of 50% better for endgame gear is enough imo, but not the 6000% that it is now

[thick moat]

yeah breeding is too much + crafting skill bps

[untold ingot]

There has to be skill involved to win fights, not just having better bps

[thick moat]

yep yep

[untold ingot]

Also, auto turrets w/ batteries should disappear 😂😂😂

[thick moat]

even on the start of wipes it can be a problem cuz u can have bad RNG on missions or wherever you are going for good bps

[blissful perch]

The reality of ark 1 endless scaling though is that it sucks to be on the wrong end of a massive stat gap in gear and tames

[untold ingot]

BP quality on wipe servers is a much bigger deal than on official, that's typically why the unofficials change the loot tables so much

[thick moat]

yeah only thing you can do is buy those tames

that are op

if not you'll have to pray you don't find no one

[untold ingot]

That's not actually the case, but I'll concede the point because I want to see endgame dinos vs tamed dinos to not have as huge a difference

[thick moat]

im still clueless on how dino v dino look like

[untold ingot]

Well, it doesn't really happen anymore honestly

[thick moat]

visceral damage and the attack not just phasing through the dino makes it hard to imagine how it could work

[untold ingot]

Unless you are in a mega or just get plain unlucky when scouting

Oohh, you are talking ark2 combat?

[thick moat]

ye

[untold ingot]

I am imagining rexes doing a dodge roll while equipping a shield lol

[thick moat]

AHAH

i've seen a video of a spino with a ultra sword like on dark souls

the animations were so good

[untold ingot]

I think path of titans has a pretty good way of handling visceral damage in their game. The dinos actually get hurt and those wounds do scar up after time. I don't think it's a perfect system and that game isnt as smooth as I would hope ark2 is, but it's an example

[thick moat]

i fear that ark 2 one may be too realistic that it will feel clunky

[blissful perch]

As long as it doesn’t do what the isle does it should be fine

[naive junco]

wait, what does The Isle do with scars?

[blissful perch]

You trip on a tiny ledge and break your leg -> oops now you have -90% movement speed for 30 minutes or starve to death

[naive junco]

i see

[tough bolt]

l'll be glad if it feels too realistic

[split dove]

except they already stated it won't be more realistic survival wise and expect it to be as ''realistic'' as ark 1

[naive junco]

i hope it won't be too dull and desaturated. No need to oversaturate it to youtube kids levels, but a generally more colorful palette would fit the setting.

[south lance]

maybe theres no way to reconcile the two without making endgame less about specific item/engram unlocks and more about materials

this wouldnt work with a skill tree system so i hope they separate pve and pvp

unless im overlooking something

[blissful perch]

It’s called repeatable dungeons 😂. Ideally with scaling

[crude dagger]

So when will we get something about ark 2 again?

[blissful perch]

When we see an announcement 🤷‍♂️

[south lance]

sure but how does pve find doing the same pve problem over and over fun

like are the rag and lost island puzzle caves fun

to most pve players

[blissful perch]

Repeatable dungeons don’t exist in ark 1

The concept is that the PvE challenge scales in difficulty, and ideally contains some sort of random or procedural component to make it repeatable.

[south lance]

oh

[blissful perch]

You need to complete all of ark 1’s caves once to beat the game…so I wouldn’t really call em repeatable

[south lance]

i mean the puzzle cav3s are made to be done over and over

but ya you could make them a lot better with more randomized layouts

[blissful perch]

The rag one is the only one I’m aware of that requires two completions

[south lance]

and difficulty scalinh

[untold ingot]

I mean, there is enough ark content especially with yearlyish dlcs that there is enough for casual pve players to do

[blissful perch]

PvE also can do more by virtue of taking way more advantage of the sandbox elements

[south lance]

map exploration is fucked with the travel tames though

[blissful perch]

You can’t really meme around on a saber in PvP without instantly getting deleted

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I want to see quick travel speed get nerfed a ton

[south lance]

i could see regular dlc being a substitute to what shifter proposed with proper changes to map exploration

[untold ingot]

Also with no cryos it could make caves a lot more difficult because you won't be able to bring a thyla or theri in

It could take significantly more prep

A definite plus in my books

[blissful perch]

Regular DLC is a marketing refresh and a time to sell more content for sure

But in terms of repeatable end game content…DLC hasn’t really done that

[untold ingot]

It has kind of made it so that you don't need repeatable endgame content though

[blissful perch]

For ark 1, almost all DLC content has added linear single time content (beyond missions, which are repeatable and in some cases quite fun to repeat)

[untold ingot]

Although, it's not ideal I think

[south lance]

the issue with this is how fast people can burn through dlc content

[untold ingot]

None of the dlcs until gen1 really added to the endgame content

[south lance]

if you had sufficiently long progression times, like 100 hours, itd last a while

[blissful perch]

It satisfies people’s need for novelty…but doesn’t really fix the “now what” feeling of ark’s late and post game

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I agree with that point

[south lance]

youd also have to remove all cheese but idk if wc is actually capable of making these changes correctly

[blissful perch]

Discovering said cheese is a form of longevity as people test different things

But really what the game needs imo is something to actually go out and DO once you beat the boss (should the end of ark 2 be a boss)

[untold ingot]

If the game were to focus more on getting rare materials rather than just engrams, add that to an ldl type approach to pve for new dlc and that could add the playtime

Although on a planet I find it hard to justify ldl pve

[blissful perch]

Events may be that solution, but they need to scale to actually be hard for players in the late and post game

[untold ingot]

Scaling things on a completely open world with loads of people at different progression levels may well be impossible, unless it is in a dungeon of some sort that take progression into consideration

[blissful perch]

I mean nothing can dynamically scale in ark 2

The idea is that some world events would be naturally scaled to “end/post game” power levels

Others would not

[untold ingot]

I think drastically scaling up the threat of wild vs tamed dinos could help with that though

Although I really hope the difficulty scale of events isn't things akin to ext drops being just swarms of creatures that mob you. I find that not fun. I would rather hard fights against a few really difficult opponents

[south lance]

i completelt forgot about this

these could actually work really well

[mint swan]

I wanna see some variation in tasks instead of just "go kill this" or "move here then kill some things to move to the next bland spot".

[south lance]

so you can have monthly or weekly pve server wide events that incorporate situations and missions or whatever for people of all sorts of progress levels

[untold ingot]

I am not certain that the events stated in the steam page will be plannable things with a set schedule. I am anticipating that they will be more like a gen2 biome and you have to get lucky to get them

[mint swan]

Some of the Gen 2 missions were really fun for spicing up the game imho. I wanna see more Survive the Ark, Starwing and separated races.

[untold ingot]

So I don't think they will fill the need

[south lance]

i mean if its often enough to be a significant aspect of gameplay id xount it

[untold ingot]

Yeah those were really good

[untold ingot]

True, but if it can't be scheduled then it doesn't make it repeatable endgame content, it makes it rng

[south lance]

ya

though you can modify the rng to involve set ranges

[untold ingot]

I don't have a problem with rng, there should be some to keep the game varied, but it's not like camping event locations is prime endgame content

[tropic forge]

to hell whit the races, it was the worst missions on gen 1 and 2 on a official server

[south lance]

so the next time an event can happen could be some set range between 2 days and a week or something

though i think relying less on rng in this case would be advantageous

[mint swan]

Gen 1 was bad, like REALLY bad... Gen 2 was improved massively since it was closed area and much more detailed (maewing race was beautiful). Never had issues with races in Gen 2, but i mostly play Ark solo these days, no more official.

[untold ingot]

I think events should be a lot more common than 2 days or a week. Because the wording of the steam page makes me think they could be injured animals or watering hole gatherings etc, rather than something big like a holiday event. Those need to be constantly happening in game imo

[tropic forge]

yeh official servers were rubberbanding lag not to forget crash time to time so it was a nightmare doing races on all difficulties

[south lance]

depending on the event the range can be modified

i was thinking something like a minor aratai battle happening over some region

[untold ingot]

True, that could happen

[mint swan]

Yeah, i can see that. I sorta forgot about the canoe missions as they had BAD rubberbanding issues even on a private server run on LAN with amazing hardware... "fun" stuff...

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 you kinda had to do that to be hard imo. If ark 2 has more mechanic based combat I see harder movement and attack patterns being a viable difficulty knob to tweak

[mint swan]

Worst optimized missions, definitely least fun of the Gen 2 breeds.

[untold ingot]

That's what I want to see

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m talking about world events…which I assume would happen as often as rain/fog/an element vein spawning but would be tons of different things all across the map

[untold ingot]

I want the game to be difficult in timing and movement, not just number crunching

[blissful perch]

Perhaps not in fixed points either, like in a far cry game

[untold ingot]

They can't be random locations though, but multiple locations would be good

[blissful perch]

They can absolutely be random

[tranquil coyote]

A good idea for a event is a mission of sorts, for example there could be a herd that spawns randomly on the map and whoever knocks the most out gets a reward

[blissful perch]

Just have them not occur in range of structures similar to creature spawns

[untold ingot]

Well, ideally they would be, but I don't want an event to happen that is important to getting something, and then it happens under the mesh somewhere

[south lance]

i dont want actual gen type missions

[blissful perch]

I don’t want to incentivize meat running, as I find it to be a really dull gameplay experience that severely limits PvE complexity

[south lance]

i want organic events that dont require extra UI to handle

[blissful perch]

I believe the point of events is to be optional though. You’d never know one occurred outside the map is my guess

[south lance]

especially if theres like, genesis type terminals

ive gotten shot by way too many turrets near those

[untold ingot]

I like the idea of interacting with herds, I less like the idea of having to knock out wild dinos though. That's been overdone imo

[blissful perch]

Oh my B I thought by knock you meant kill

[untold ingot]

True, maybe. But they have to happen in regions that the devs planned out

[south lance]

plus i dislike the whole move to a whole new arena to commence a mission

the survival aspect is gone and you reinforce how arcadey ark is

[blissful perch]

I do think if most tames don’t use KO methods having KO events may be interesting

Say there’s a rampaging trike that needs to be sedated or something 😆

[blissful perch]

Instanced missions are a net positive for many reasons

Because the alternative is large unbuildable zones like in genesis 1 and I hated those

[south lance]

i see the practical value but i dont like missions the way they are as is

i want things to come and you have to respond rather than you being in complete control

[blissful perch]

That’s what events do

[south lance]

yes

[blissful perch]

Story missions ≠ events is a big change in ark 2, which seems to have both

[south lance]

i like world events to replace missions

or at best, missions are within these events

[blissful perch]

I don’t think they will

If there’s voice acting, I highly doubt there won’t be scripted events that need the rigid environment of a mission

[south lance]

prob won't but i can hope

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure you even want to hope for that tbh. Do you want people turret blocking a key story mission halfway through?

[south lance]

i mean theres VA for ascension, though yeah we could see more rigid environment to force a more story oriented game

[blissful perch]

Ascension is scripted tho 😂

[south lance]

yes

i dont really care about that cause its like .003% of gameplay

you ascend, and its done

i dont want to go through that little girl crying over her dead dodo every week

[blissful perch]

I find ascension to be one of the most iconic and memorable parts of ark. But I admit it’s a very tiny fraction of the hours spent

[south lance]

or whatever story bs they put out thatll be cliche af

[south lance]

it being so small is why its good

or at least part of it, you also work for it a lot

everyone includes the ascension sequence even pvp youtubers

[untold ingot]

One of the key things I liked about ark1 and the reason I chose it over so many games was the lack of an invasive storyline

Any missions or story added to the game I would sincerely hope that it is entirely optional and not required for actual gameplay

[timid raptor]

Read what I said again 😛 #ark-2 message
I specifically mentioned NOT having endless levels for combat related details, how Atlas puts a cap on combat stats.

Having a secondary leveling tier that isn't combat stat increases related but still gives useful rewards like schematics, building supplies, cosmetics. it gives PVE mode something to continue to do, then leaderboards for being highest level introduces competition into PVE.

All while not impacting PvP balance (And no, schematics and building supplies does not impact pvp balance, you could go out and focus farm those items instead of focusing on leveling, and doesn't have to be OP stuff either. And every pvp player has same potential to progress and get those rewards)

But also doesnt have to even be character based, just ultimately more endgame repetitive tasks to add rewards, Make it feel like you have many choices to do each day you play with different rewards.

Endgame PVE for ARK1 was.... Breeding. Thats all you had, each and every day, and then hit a point, what am I doing this for?

Think of things like
Grind for ability to choose and repaint a dino color region
Grind for ability to 'make up' and recover missed imprint %
Grind for ability to make building structures like Atlas and actually upgradable, so rather than layers of walls, a stronger wall (Atlas being an example of them accomplishing this allowing you to grind harder for stronger bases)

For ARK2, this will be more relevant in PVE with Base raids, lets just hope the raids are actually a real threat and not like Conan's where you can laugh at them most of the time.

And let me be clear I'm a PvP player too, just do enjoy PVE to not have the stress also, but it does run out of shit to do and hope they fix that.

[blissful perch]

I mean your original message includes a line about endlessly scaling non combat stats like weight, which DO have a severe impact on player power level (for example being able to carry larger kits)

[untold ingot]

I mean, being able to level weight a ton isn't a huge issue imo. It doesn't directly impact combat other than having more stuff. If the game isn't all about shooting and flaming then it shouldn't be a huge factor for anything but farming or running away with loot

[lavish rain]

A line?

[untold ingot]

A circle?

[bold juniper]

You underestimate how infuriating being a loot goblin can be for an opponent

[tough bolt]

Will there be sea creatures in ark like mosasaurs?

[old hemlock]

Is there a month that ark 2 is coming?

[untold ingot]

I don't underestimate it, I just think it shouldn't not be a thing if you get my meaning. It's like the only way of retaining progress when you lose your base, so it still should be viable

[untold ingot]

Not yet

[rocky steppe]

Probably 2089 december

[fair pasture]

Month not desided yet iirc, q3 from a rumour ive heard but no idea if it's right...

[thick moat]

it's said that it'll come out on the end of June from the Xbox Game Pass schedule that was posted on june of 2022, but it's all up in the air so don't get your hopes up

[iron sequoia]

Just 2023 is all we have confirmed

[fair pasture]

Well yes. But we also had 2022 confirmed

I hope for 2023 tho

[fiery oracle]

thats just the obligatory release delay

every single piece of content announced by wc has been delayed by at least 24h

[untold ingot]

2022 was a tentative schedule set like 2 years ago

[split dove]

During the first half of the pandemic iirc too at the end of 2020

[fair pasture]

eh, itl come when it comes. id much rather they spend abit more time on it and release an acctual finish game, then rush it..

[past wind]

So... What does it mean all those Ark 1 on UE5 posts? LOL

Is it related to Ark 2 or not?

[thick moat]

imagine

ark 1 and ark 2 being connected

that may be the big thing never done in gaming, somehow

[past wind]

Man... I would be happy with an Ark 2 gameplay... I don't need more complexity right now (it would mean more time to be released)

[split dove]

all the broken dinos can stay on ark 1

[thick moat]

yessssss, relaunch it like the og days hahah

[past wind]

Noooooooo... It would mean Ark 2 coming in 2030

[thick moat]

for ark 1 on ue5?

[past wind]

Let's just focus on one game: Ark 2

[thick moat]

WORTH

[past wind]

No, thanks

[potent hull]

well flobs i guess you will need to stay on ark 1 then lol

[split dove]

if it's just switching engine and upgrading some graphical stuff i'd rather wait for them to do ark 2 first or if it's like TSOTF with minimal people to not slow down ark 2 development while doing this if it's real

[thick moat]

hey they just pinged now, im sayign it's real

[past wind]

Ok, Jat is messing with us

I'm done

[split dove]

he better be

[potent hull]

what going on her flobs

[fair pasture]

that ping is naughty

[swift moat]

when is ark2, they just teased us with #announcements

almost gotta boner but i remembered , this is wildcard now

[potent hull]

i look at it but do not get it

[swift moat]

its gonna be primitive?

[fair pasture]

yeah

[swift moat]

hmmm might be good then

[potent hull]

no

[fair pasture]

its a meme

prolly jus teasing us waiting for ARK 2 news

[swift moat]

oh so just a port to eu5?

[fair pasture]

my guess would be its just messing with us...

[swift moat]

looks like new lvl up mechanics

[potent hull]

nice photos sir

[potent hull]

love the comdy move of it

[swift moat]

i love ark1 i still play and host servers still lol im hopeless

[potent hull]

tasty now is are tern to meme the ark 2 team lol

[swift moat]

i like the idea of ark i hope they actually improve it somehow

[potent hull]

twiter blowing up with this meme lol

[rugged flower]

All of ark 1 ported to UE5? That would take a looong time to develop surely

[stray elm]

Sure.
Most likely why they might've had another team working on it, and been working on it for awhile.

[rugged flower]

Idk that would be like 4 projects at once split between teams. That would be insane

[stray elm]

4 projects?

What're the other two?

Cause the Animated-Series has only like 3-4 of the dev's

[rugged flower]

Ark 2, ark 1 remastered (If it's real), Ark ported to the switch, TSotf.

[stray elm]

The switch is mostly done

And that's mostly done by Grove-Street.

TSotF also has I believe just a few people working on it

[split dove]

iirc it's just Alex and Jat doing TSoTF as their own side project

[rugged flower]

Either way, seems like a silly thing to work on when everyone is awaiting the sequel. I imagine its just a tease for the sequel

[royal nebula]

It’s probably good for people who might not like ark 2

[split dove]

Going of the founders note statement "Ark 2 is what we originally wanted ark 1 to be..." 🤔

[rugged flower]

^

If i had to "assume" anything. They may be leading into the gameplay being shown at the xbox showcase

[past wind]

Hence why I think they might be just messing with us

ark 1 on ue5 = ark 2?

[rugged flower]

Pretty much

[fair pasture]

it just seems like a joke.. i dont belive.. even from a company like wildcard... they would announce something like that thrue a unofficial meme in their discord ?

[split dove]

We'll be certain of it when the gameplay is shared

[fair pasture]

i now see they also posted it on twitter

[split dove]

New year, new jokes and cryptic hints

[fair pasture]

still seems... like.. not ''proper'' enough..

[royal nebula]

Maybe it’s a teaser or something

For just ark 2 at Xbox showcase thing

[fair pasture]

potentialy.

i jus want a date tbh...

[bold juniper]

I wanna see ark2 Allos

[split dove]

They still got 2 weeks to announce if they will show up there

[fair pasture]

or they announce it on it..

Maybe along with some gameplay

[split dove]

I need my Allo skull club from the first trailer

[royal nebula]

Knowing wildcard they would announce it with a gif that’s like 2 seconds long showing gameplay

[fair pasture]

wouldnt be suprised.

[bold juniper]

Pack Dino’s with smart ai seems evil

[foggy surge]

What are you guys talking about?

[fair pasture]

#announcements

[foggy surge]

I see

Looks interesting

[split dove]

Jeremy's latest pinned tweet did say they weren't ready to share the gameplay "just yet" which was just before Christmas

[fair pasture]

Well... they could be ready in like march... or whenever the Xbox conferance is.

[royal nebula]

The Xbox thing is like end of this month

[split dove]

The upcoming one should be January 25th

[fair pasture]

oh wait shit

didnt think it was this early in the year

[split dove]

They did it earlier this year, more of a game direct esc show

[royal nebula]

They have to show gameplay at some point soon I’d imagine

[foggy surge]

I didn’t know it was that close

I though Xbox only had one game event

[royal nebula]

Like within now to March or April

[fair pasture]

Wildcard doesnt have to do anything sadly xd

[royal nebula]

For marketing purposes it would make sense if the game is actually coming out this year

[split dove]

It's early access, no way it ain't coming this year

[fair pasture]

we can hope

[royal nebula]

I want some better character customization, one of the few things on my wishlist

[fair pasture]

i just want a finished game..

[bold juniper]

Never

[royal nebula]

Well it’s launching in early access lol

So idk about that one

[fair pasture]

if they jus re-released ark 1.. with better AI.. less glitches... and as a finished product.. id be happy xd

but yeah... ark 2. woop 😛

[bold juniper]

Impossible

[royal nebula]

That’s the bare minimum honestly

[fair pasture]

Not saying its resonable or plausable. just... my expectations...

a finished game...

[split dove]

That'd be like overwatch 2,slight changes and calling it a upgrade

[royal nebula]

Why have ark 1 remastered when you can have ark 2

I just want ark 2 to feel like ark if that makes any sense

Change is scary

Sometimes atleast

[fair pasture]

Ark 1 is still genuinly an amazing game imo. just... not what it could be. New maps are gona be great. same with new animations and dinos.. just.. dont wana lose the ark feeling.. its a game i genuinly do love... or atleast loved until gen.. but yk.. i got big hopes. low expectations.

jus hope they dont change the total feel of the game..

[lime forge]

Bro wtf

[thick moat]

He's right though

At least we know akr 1 is getting ue5 so if ark 2 isn't what we expected we got that

[lime forge]

I’ve got thousands of hours in Ark man. Idc how good it looks I’m not gonna keep playing it.

Who tf announces a new game and then releases multiple unannounced side projects while refusing to give any new information on the new game for years.

This is the epitome of to little to late

[potent hull]

cant the meme mean 2 things in one ark 2 game play coming and ark 1 going to ue5

[lime forge]

Why aren’t any of these side projects being mentioned in Dollies “transparency”

[potent hull]

she cant tell us un till she is told

to

[lime forge]

Deathblades out here looking for signs of game play in his tea leaves like he’s fucking Harry Potter

[potent hull]

go up a read what people are saying

[astral token]

This is gonna cover for the 2024 release of ARK II, my theory being we will see a gameplay trailer at the Xbox Games Showcase, more info at Extra Life and a release in March 24 maybe

[calm scaffold]

LOLL

speaking facts though

if theres just gonna be aimbotters again on the remaster then who cares

not gonna do the same shit again

we want the sequel

[lime forge]

I really don’t care what people are saying. It’s not game play. It’s not concept art. It’s not any kind of relevant information on what we actually want. All this entire channel is, is people debating what breeding in Ark should have been. And that’s because the devs haven’t given us anything to actually discuss in 3 years.

And god fucking forbid we go off topic

[lime forge]

I can’t help but feel you’re right on this.

[lyric kayak]

supposed to be 6 months until release

[calm scaffold]

its also very strange they just REFUSE to show off gameplay of ark 2

[lime forge]

That’s never even been confirmed by wildcard

[calm scaffold]

for SOME UNKNOWN reason

[lime forge]

It’s not “supposed to be”

[calm scaffold]

and after the dumpster fire that SOTF was and its horrible pvp

i dont trust shit

[astral token]

They were not ready for Game Awards

And no more gaming events till Games showcase

[ionic meteor]

sniff sniff smell that? .. ||ITS ANOTHER DELAY||

[lyric kayak]

hype for ark 2

who else

[lime forge]

Nope. I lost all hype and hope with todays meme from the dev.

[lyric kayak]

why

[lime forge]

It’ll come when it comes and I really don’t care anymore.

[lyric kayak]

I think everyone is going to be very happy at how soon it is out

[lime forge]

Honestly, it’s the lack of any info at all and the announcements of 2 side projects that we’ve received more info on in the last 2 months than we have of Ark 2 over the course of years.

I was hopeful it was gonna be soon, but now I’m having doubts.

[lyric kayak]

im still riding on the 6 months

its only 1 map they are working on and probably like 100 dinos

[prisma pike]

Wildcard isn't exactly a tiny company that can tell everybody everything they're doing whenever they want anymore

[lime forge]

I’m not. Had they shared anything about recently I might still be.

[lime forge]

So because they’re bigger they can’t share info anymore?

[prisma pike]

Yeah

[lime forge]

What’s the threshold there?

[lyric kayak]

there are core systems they have to flesh out but its not like its an mmo that takes 9 years to make

the maps in ark are small compared to a lot of games which is fine.

[lime forge]

Cause blizzard can do near daily updates, the AOC devs do monthly updates at a minimum, all the larger developer teams provide updates all throughout development. It’s incredibly flawed logic that WC couldn’t.

[lyric kayak]

We know nothing of what is done though

[lime forge]

Right. If core systems are still being fleshed out, how close could we possibly be?

[lyric kayak]

aoc is going to take atleast 2 more years

[prisma pike]

Informational updates or game updates?

[lyric kayak]

ow2 they told us nothing and the released the game like 2 months after telling us about it

[lime forge]

AOC isn’t even close yet they provide piles of info on what they’re up to on a monthly basis.

[prisma pike]

And is it updates on new games or existing titles

[lyric kayak]

games do things different

[lime forge]

Both, I’ve already played AOC

[lyric kayak]

I dont want lots of info for ark 2

I just want the drop

because we dont need people meta gaming already

[lime forge]

It’s super fun btw. If you’re not looking into it already I recommend doing so.

[lyric kayak]

I know everything about it

read the wiki twice

[prisma pike]

Idek what aoc is

[lyric kayak]

you got to look into it

[lime forge]

Ashes of Creatiom

Creation

[lyric kayak]

its a fantasy mmo with all of the greatest systems of modern mmos put into one, with a few new systems that wil make the game soo good.

[lime forge]

I have really high hopes for it, but concerns when it comes to how much content they’re putting into it.

[lyric kayak]

I hope it gets pushed like 4 years so I can just play ark 2

[lime forge]

It’s so much. Hopefully alpha 2 starts soon

[lyric kayak]

I want to go back to just grinding ark only

[lime forge]

Anyone wanna make bets on what comes first? Ark 2 gameplay, or Ark remastered gameplay.

[prisma pike]

Unreal engine 5 footage

[lyric kayak]

ark 2 gameplay

[lime forge]

I’m with line bro here, I’ll bet we get Ark remastered footage first.

[tough bolt]

Wait ark1 is getting remastered?

[lyric kayak]

that will be lit too though

[tough bolt]

Yeah

But what's up with this ark 1 and UE 5 thing?

[cold locust]

The meme post in announcements is what everyone is going off of.

[mint swan]

If they going to remaster ark 1 in unreal engine 5, they are working on this for a very long time. This is a very complicated proces.
If this is true what does this mean for Ark2?

[thick moat]

I hope it's connected to it OR it's a completely separate team doing it

[mint swan]

The team is already split up back in the day for atlas right? And atlas is getting unreal engine 5 to. So how are they going to do this.

[lime forge]

It means Ark 2 ain’t coming in 2023

[mint swan]

I'm just a bob but i think Ark2 is going to delay till 2024. Do i care hell no ark1 remastered is litt

[cold locust]

Atlas is done by grapeshot Ark 2 is not. I’m sure it’s fine

🔥 🔥

[mint swan]

Ok ok

Grapeshot itself is comprised of some original ARK team members as well as many new hires and operates as a separate dedicated dev team.

[astral token]

My theory is probably quite close to the mark? Idk

[mint swan]

This is from jesse back in 2018

So grapeshot is not a complete different team also members of ark1 @cold locust

[astral token]

Attempts to revive Atlas are quite futile, the game needs a rebrand or a "2" to father more attention

*gather

[mint swan]

If this all is true i really don't care about atlas or ark2 this year. Ark 1 remastered is just what alot of People want for a long time.

[lime forge]

Ark remastered sounds great on paper, but in the end it’s still the exact same game we’ve already sank thousands of hours into. It is not worth the resources to make or the price of the finished product.

The only exception is if UE5 can somehow guarantee us that hacks, exploits, meshing, and crashing will be 99.9% removed.

[cold locust]

Maybe ark remastered is the new Ark 2 🤯

[mint swan]

Wait whatttttttt

[lime forge]

That would be a permanent end of WC for me. I would never play another game made by them or any of their devs lol

[cold locust]

Bah their tweet could mean anything. I think we are looking at this way too deep.

[lime forge]

Could it?

It specifically says Ark 1

[mint swan]

I don't no

[lime forge]

I don’t think they’d post it as an announcement in the official discord of it didn’t mean what they would obviously expect us to believe.

[mint swan]

There are 2 ways 1 complete remastered or 2 some thing are changed in unreal engine 5

[astral token]

We'll get to know by Saturday

[cold locust]

And it’s a meme. Unless they outright say “hey we are redoing Ark 1 in UE 5 to capitalize on the remastered market like a certain great stealing car game cause Ark 2 is taking so long” I won’t buy into it

[lime forge]

I don’t see how that matters. It’s far from appropriate to troll the entire community through the official announcements. That’s just bad business and we all know it.

I highly doubt it’s “just a meme”

[mint swan]

This is going to happen a 100%

[cold locust]

Sparking more conversation to get our minds off of Ark2. This meme has been the point of conversation today.

[lime forge]

They’re not gonna post something like that to change the topic.

They have intentions behind that announcement.

[cold locust]

It’s about Ark 1 and they used an emoji from the animated series, does that mean they are going to change the animation style as well?

It can go on forever

[thick moat]

Specially because of all devs, dollie, ced, jat etc retweeting with emojis to follow up

[cold locust]

I’ll wait for the announcement

[lime forge]

No it can’t. That announcement didn’t say anything about Ark animated. They put bobs face in it because he’s an icon around here.

[mint swan]

The going to push back ark2 first we getting tsoft on console then maby this summer we get the animated series then after that maby ark2

[lime forge]

I highly doubt Ark 2 is coming this year.

[mint swan]

I think q1 2024

End of March 2024

[lime forge]

I’m done even speculating. They’re not providing anything new and I am beyond tired of going over the same points with the same people. I’m just gonna find a new game to focus on.

[cold locust]

Exactly

[lime forge]

I’ve always been a WC fan and I still am, but I can’t agree with or respect the silence on Ark 2 when they know we’re practically begging for scraps of info.

[untold totem]

i dont expect actual bug fix and cheat removal in this so called "remaster"

[mint swan]

If they remastered ark 1 in unreal engine 5 also give us mods on console and maby some new bosses dude i really don't care about other games then

[untold totem]

major doubts

especially previous gen will not be handling 100+ GB of mods

[mint swan]

This is the thing everything about ark 1 or 2 or the animated series are major doubts

[lime forge]

I don’t either. Better graphics and maybe performance. That speed hacked giga probably gonna look really good when it comes through the mesh and destroys my base.

[untold totem]

pretty much.. it's just like repainting an already painted turd

[astral token]

Watch it be on HBO Max and not be available in half the places of the world 💀

[untold totem]

i'm ok with ATLAS being remastered because the modding community has being shoved under the bus too hard

but in ARK 1?.. i pray for the poor modder's mental wellbeing

[astral token]

Nek seems excited don't know about the others

[lime forge]

What else could you expect? The lack of information and display of multiple side projects while denying anything relevant to what we actually want is to the point it seems like they’re hiding it from us.

[astral token]

Eclipse said, "I'll take it if it fixed things collapsing on themselves"

[lime forge]

I’m not a Nek fan. His maps and mods cater to only PvE, not my thing.

[untold totem]

most popular mods are PVE catered anyways

[astral token]

True

[untold totem]

the most popular PVP centric mod i can think of is meant for their own servers only

MTS is a good example

[astral token]

You would get creeped if someone is like, "I know a rat hole but i won't tell because it'll get patched then"

[untold totem]

i remember Eco left the modding scene because the toxicity she get from bug fixes

this is also another reason why they should not leave the most important thing like First Person View to the modders

[astral token]

I heard some talk of that when I was on my break

[orchid arch]

Will ark two have better building mechanics?

[untold totem]

depends how you define being "better" since there is no gameplay to cast judgement upon

[astral token]

We don't know

[spice pollen]

Ark 2 is gonna be like atlas

[mint swan]

Ark2 is a myth 🤣

[mint swan]

Where is @drowsy ibex you are the Community manager. Why do you drop a big bom and then hide like you were not here? Also @cunning talon but we know this is wat she always does fuck around with are heads lol. But come on this is so not cool.

[lime forge]

Dollie was literally just in general chat

She didn’t say anything about Ark though

[mint swan]

I love lamp @cunning talon lol this is wat i mean dollie likes to fuck with are heads

Jesus

[lime forge]

Our*

[mint swan]

Thx translator

[lime forge]

Spellcheck*

[mint swan]

Hahaha thx dude 👍

[high cradle]

[wanton pike]

I hope it has some elements of atlas, like the open sea and the weapons etc

[tough bolt]

Never played atlas before is it good?

[blissful perch]

Paddy discovers my ark 2 mindset any % speed run finally over? It took multiple years but we made it

The game comes out when it comes out. Extremely easy to understand. If WC wants to drop info before hand? Great. But they don’t have to. And if they do, it’s not like it’ll be hidden

It’s sad when the channel is full not of speculating what’ll be an actual feature of ark 2…but speculating about an announcement that may give us more to speculate about. It’s just 😂

[thick moat]

When I do it's just of pure hype and passion even if it's dumb

[bold juniper]

I hope ark 2 has sotf

[crude stone]

Any new news on ARK 2? Or leaks?

[cursive loom]

anyone more excited for ark1 getting UE5 than ark 2 coming out?

Just me?

[crude stone]

Not me man

That's bad news to me

[cursive loom]

How so?

[crude stone]

Its a subtle hint at a possible delay

[mint swan]

Its means ark2 is going to delay

[cursive loom]

not necessarily.

[mint swan]

Mark my words

[crude stone]

Studio DelayCard are running out of ideas

[cursive loom]

Just because they hint, and plan on bringing ark 1 to UE5 doesn't mean Ark2 will be delayed.

[mint swan]

Its called filling the gap

[crude stone]

UE 5 was released last april why didn't they port it then?

[mint swan]

I'm totaly cool with that but just say it out loud

[crude stone]

If they ported it back in april I'll be very happy but now is not the time to go back

[crude stone]

Because that'll cause huge backlash

[cursive loom]

Again. Just because they 'tease' ark 1 going into UE5 doesn't mean:

1. it's actually going to even happen
2. that ark 2 will be delayed
   You guys are just being superstitious

and if they do delay ark 2, then oh well. They can do what they want with their game. It is what it is 🤷🏼‍♂️

[crude stone]

ARK 1 won't have any more events

[mint swan]

Do you now how it work to remaster a game in ue5 ? Its something big real big

[crude stone]

Early Access and its getting delayed, what a joke

like what

[mint swan]

And its cool if they delay the ark2 game no problem but just say it

[tropic forge]

why ppl thing ark 1 gonna be port to UE 5? ppl thing its just clicking option "upgrade to latest version" and wait to finish upgrading??? 🤣

some might be right whit only sotf being port to UE5 but even than i have my doubt about it

[split dove]

clearly the ''tech and coding masters'' back at it again

[mint swan]

Push the button and lets go lol

[tropic forge]

if only that easy uff being playing witcher 3 on UE5 instead of having a better "light update"

[split dove]

Let's not forget about this line from the Founders Note
''Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right. So in 2023 on Xbox & PC Game Pass, we’ll look forward to seeing you all in this new world of primeval creatures and legendary heroes.''

Keeping this in mind it's more likely they're referring to Ark 2 as it was their original vision for Ark 1

[bold juniper]

People are impatient, this is their company not ours

[tropic forge]

to be honest i think they post that so ppl would spend time talking about it and maybe helping some clickbait youtubers cause this shit gonna be milk for the rest of the week 🤣

[bold juniper]

Ark2 could be released in2030 if they kept pushing content out in ark1

[split dove]

Loadedclickbait is gonna have 30 new videos from this 😂

[mint swan]

He was the first on yt pushing this out

[bold juniper]

Lol

[tropic forge]

i search early on youtube and there was 2 confirming this was gonna happen and one saying was a tease

[untold totem]

People fall for it, not just ARK YouTubers

This is a classic red herring

Someone said All WC staff liked/retweet the meme lol

[tropic forge]

as anyone read their post? ppl going crazy whit questions of "is the official servers gonna be the new legacy 2.0 now" others questioning about if they gonna loose everything they have and so on 🤣

[untold totem]

They gonna lose official anyways lol

[tropic forge]

yup

[split dove]

good

[tropic forge]

ppl think they own the servers but they dont pay the bills for those servers at least the official ones

[lime forge]

Dollie was in general earlier and refused to comment on the announcement. That leads me to believe it’s more official than a meme.

[untold totem]

Nah, it's more meme than official

[tropic forge]

dude it would take same or more time to port ark 1 to EU5 than make ark 2 from scratch

[untold totem]

It's more stirring the pot really

[split dove]

i'd rather have ark 2 instead of ''Ark 1 but better graphics and some bug fixes''

[tropic forge]

yup something new

[blissful perch]

Official or not…it likely won’t change the ark 2 timeline if the deadline is December 2023

[tropic forge]

plus i would be afraid as hell if ark 1 being port to EU5 were true

[blissful perch]

(Which is the official deadline)

[untold totem]

Until shadow delay happened

Just because XBox said so doesn't mean it is immune to the typical WC Delays

[split dove]

it's actually December 31st 23:59:59 2023

[crude stone]

Announcing ARK2 way too earlt was a mistake honestly

[astral token]

I think the ARK II delay is happening

[crude stone]

they should've worked on it in secret when its ready release a trailer and have it release in one year

no one is gonna leak it anyways

[astral token]

Regardless of whether the ARK I port to UE5 happens or not

[split dove]

the year just started -__-

We still got 11.5 months in 2023

[naive junco]

Wildcard allways does that.

[astral token]

The first gaming event is in 5 months that leaves 6.5 months of release window

Either a release with Extra Life

[split dove]

you do realise there is a xbox event on the jan 25th

[crude stone]

I'm fine with a june release

[astral token]

Not the Xbox Event

But a Xbox event

[split dove]

they're apparently targeting for a june release, but that info is 7 months old

[bold juniper]

I’ll be playing soft till it released

[split dove]

and this xbox event will be more like a game direct show

[crude stone]

Its early access they gonna need to push it regardless of its ready or not they were given a whole year

[bold juniper]

So I’m not concerned, sotf is hella fun with content seemingly coming pretty fast

[crude stone]

And so far they've said development was going great which kinda makes it more confusing

[split dove]

knowing how ''sane'' ark players act at any attempt of communication from the devs i'd also rather wait to show something closer to release to not sting the murder hornets nest.

We also don't know how involved Xbox is with Ark 2, they could be holding ark 2 info back to one of their events if they're deeply involved

[ionic meteor]

I hope Jeremy explains whats going on

[crude stone]

They're deeply involved because its part of their slate of games coming to game pass and its exclusive

[split dove]

exclusive to xbox for console yh, still a pc and xbox launch day 1

[crude stone]

Which is why ark 2 only appears on their events and shows

xbox is handling their exclusives' marketing

[untold totem]

Marketing ≠ Dev Work

Shadow Delays will happen knowing

🚾

[lime forge]

And what’s your point here?

[tropic forge]

they not going to make it thats my point

[lime forge]

You wanna bet?

I’m a gamblin man foxy

[tropic forge]

lol sure

[lime forge]

I win and you have to change your name to whatever I decide. You win and I’ll change my name to whatever you decide?

Until the release of Ark 2

[untold totem]

lol

🍿

Hey if they pulled off ATLAS

Why not lol

[lime forge]

I’m pretty sure one of the main draws of UE5 was it easing the process of porting over. Even AOC is doing it.

[crude stone]

I just hope the chinese won't invade ARK 2 same as ATLAS

[untold totem]

AOC?

[untold totem]

Knowing WC is still owned by a Chinese company

Expect it

[lime forge]

Ashes of Creation. If you’re into MMO’s you should check it out. It’s a long way off still, but I got to play alpha 1 and it was a good time.

[untold totem]

I thought that game has issues

[lime forge]

It’s not even into the second phase of alpha.

[crude stone]

Well we have to be prepared..

[lime forge]

Beautiful game though.

Was super bummed when it ended. Alpha 2 will be persistent though and I cannot wait.