ark-2

[past wind]

The cap is 255, but it gets the stat locked. That’s what you mean?

@blissful perch what are your ideas to improve the breeding system? I’d like to hear.

[blissful perch]

If you want the essay search this chat’s history

I can assure you it’s loaded to the gills with the answer to that question

[untold ingot]

Lol, I was goi g to say. That was like a 2 week conversation a bit ago jaja

[past wind]

What should I look for? Breeding?

[blissful perch]

Try breeding, mutation stacking, etc

If you want a fun conversation I had with Raq you can try “genetics” where we talked about a super experimental system

[untold ingot]

That one would be really cool to see

[blissful perch]

I’m eager to hear your comments Charlie, and appreciate you taking a look

[untold ingot]

The more complex the breeding system is, the more engaging it is. And let's face it, a ton of people like the breeding Sim lol 😂😂😂

[tropic crag]

We have talked just about every talking point to death, it seems 😅

[blissful perch]

I could make more, but at some point there’s no basis in reality to initiate a new discussion

[tropic crag]

Eventually it's just theorycrafting, yeah

[blissful perch]

Eventually it’s off topic is my point lol

We’re just pure spit balling outside the realm of anything we’ve heard seen or observed from ark 1 or ark 1 news 😂

[untold ingot]

I feel like there will be something in extra life, but I do think it'll mostly be about the switch stuff, the ascentions, and the animated show

[blissful perch]

I’m expecting 5-10% ark 2

Maybe a couple concept art pictures or a very short trailer or comment

[untold ingot]

It could be a release date, if it is early 2020

[lavish rain]

Several times

[lavish rain]

2020?

[raven heart]

@tropic crag lmao rename your character in ark 2 to kissass

[safe mural]

What time will extra life be?What time will extra life be?

[untold ingot]

My brain is still back in 2019 I guess

[iron sequoia]

Lmfao

[blissful perch]

Expect to see a time given in this week’s community crunch

[split dove]

i thought it was 10:00 am pdt

[blissful perch]

Could be. It’s most of the day iirc

@past wind if you have trouble finding the old chats let me know and I can take a look later as well. I wish you could link discord chats here but the bot catches it

[split dove]

yh it's 10:00 am pdt

[broken dune]

any news on ark 2?

or still nothing

[rotund grail]

Nothing .Guess coming out after Easter next year Sucks .

[broken dune]

this is the only game I've been excited about in my entire life and it's making wanna kill myself everytime there's nothing

I got 480 hours in ark and I feel like I just blinked and got them

[blissful perch]

480? My boi there’s plenty more to do then before ark 2 so you’re good

[broken dune]

yeah 5k is the minimum

there's definitely so much stuff to do left

[blissful perch]

I’ve got 3k I think? But I’d say 500-1000 is a reasonable number to have to at least see the content

[broken dune]

480 hours and I feel like I'm 5% at completing the game

[blissful perch]

You definitely move slower when you’re a Bob and don’t know much. Then again I’m hype for ark 2 so I can BE a clueless Bob again

[broken dune]

I'm way slower I play 3 hours everyday I need to give the game more time it deserves it

[blissful perch]

Singleplayer?

[broken dune]

I played multiplayer with friends on modded server. I think i have more hours on multiplayer than singleplayer

[mint swan]

Who wants first person in ark 2

[fallow niche]

A lot of people probably do, but it will not be available in vanilla. The modding community I'm sure has already figured they will make a mod for it.

[blissful perch]

Really depends on the gameplay

[mint swan]

Yeah I'm just gonna stick w ark 1 then

[blissful perch]

If the gameplay is in tight spaces where third person camera works poorly, I’ll want first person. If the combat is “souls like” however with blocks dodges and parries, third person will be far better

It’s fair to not move to ark 2. It sounds like the games will be a Ven diagram where some traits are shared but many/most are not between ark 1 and 2

[fallow niche]

Personally, I'm going to at least try/watch the game/gameplay before I decide whether or not to stay on Ark 1

[blissful perch]

I’m already pretty sold on ark 2 from the AI and crafting comments alone, but that’s because it appeals to how I like to play ark 1

[fallow niche]

I just must have ark stuffs

[mortal kestrel]

Im sold on ArkII just because its Ark ngl

ark is my most played game on steam with no contest

[fallow niche]

Sameeee

Need all the ark things

[blissful perch]

Ark I think is my number 2? But that’s because of breeding

[untold ingot]

Anyone with ark has ark as the most played game lol. Even if it's just because it takes 6 years to load 🤣🤣

[blissful perch]

If I took out the afk time I spent squatting on eggs and babies it would probably be lower

[fallow niche]

I for one am just excited for new gameplay tbh. Ark 1 has gotten kind of stale after 7 years of almost nonstop playing with slight breaks in between. I want to have something new to look forward to. New experiences and redone dinos.

[blissful perch]

I found that what made me come back to ark 1 were maps and creatures rather than mechanics. I tended to fall off quickly after “seeing” the new content

[fallow niche]

I miss being a bob okay, not know what the heck to do 😂

[blissful perch]

I love being a bob

It’s the most fun I have in the game by a massive margin

Although I also have really enjoyed having one small/medium mount and just roaming with it. Can’t be careless but you don’t have to avoid almost every fight either when your weapon breaks 😂

[stray elm]

Is it just me, or is it hilarious that people go "well I'm going now since ARK-2 seems like it's bad" and act all dramatic, acting like we would give a fuck.

What is this, like the 10th to 15th person that has said this in the almost two years this channel has been open?

[tropic crag]

More like 400th person, lmao

[solemn hemlock]

Any1 think of a better name for ark 2 yet? Hah

Genesis survival evolved heh

[mortal kestrel]

Ark: Settlers Evolved

yes, I am poking fun at the british

[solemn hemlock]

Them damn red coats

[mortal kestrel]

colonizes half the world

holds onto basically none of them

[solemn hemlock]

The whole world should colonize the brits

[mortal kestrel]

lol

[mint swan]

❤️

[stray elm]

Unironically, I do think ARK-2 is bland as fuck of a name.

At least compared to "ARK: Survival Evolved"

It needs an undertitle, like ARK-1.

[tropic crag]

Well, there could be an undertitle, but honestly it's been so long since I've played a game that was just a straight ass sequel, like Halo 2 or something. So I kinda hope it stays just the 2

[stray elm]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Halo games.
But the titles have been lackluster as fuck since they moved away from undertitles.
Besides 5 and Infinite, which have undertitles now.

Well, I guess 'Infinite' isn't really the undertitle, and more part of the actual title.

[tropic crag]

Eh, to each their own

I miss when games were just sequels

[lavish rain]

Ark:eclipse

[stray elm]

Fuck it. I'll take it.

[ripe cedar]

Ark: 2 Survival 2 Evolved

[mortal kestrel]

I cant wait to see what kind of other trailers we will get for arkII

when I think Im bored of arkI, I'd randomly watch some of the expansion trailers and I am excited to play it all over again

I hope arkIIs trailers will keep with the awesomeness

[clever vortex]

ARK 2: Electric Boogaloo

[mortal kestrel]

Ark 2: Shipwrecked

wouldnt be a terrible title, since we did kind of blow up our ship killing rockwell

though I do think the subtitle should be survival something to keep in line with the original

[clever vortex]

Between "Survival Evolved" and "Scorched Earth" it had initially seemed like each story DLC was gonna have an "SE" title, but then Aberration came out lmao. Clearly ARK 2 should bring that little trend back.

"ARK 2: Savage Exoplanet"

[static sparrow]

I think Ark2 won’t really be following the storyline of Ark 1 in regards to Rockwell and whatnot? I don’t think it follows the same survivor who made it through all of the Arks, but rather switches to a new people on whatever the heck that new planet is XD

I think thats why we got Vinny

Though I’m not super up to date on the story and general Ark 2 content so someone please correct me if I’m wrong lol

Ig Vin plays Santiago so nvm, it sorta does follow that same patch of survivors in a way

[mortal kestrel]

it is though

while it might not be confirmed that we are the same survivor from arkI

I do believe thats purposefully left ambiguous so people can decide that for themselves

[mortal kestrel]

also you can quite literally see Arat in Gen2s ascension cutscene

[static sparrow]

Ahh gotchu

[leaden wyvern]

fix the paints not crafting in the cooker

[lime forge]

Wrong channel man

[leaden wyvern]

fix the paints not crafting in the cooker #wildcard

[tropic crag]

Take it to #bobs-with-probs buddy

[leaden wyvern]

hey i wana make my paintings on point

[tropic crag]

Ok, and? This is a channel for discussing Ark 2, not Ark 1

[mint swan]

will it be split differently into singleplayer and multiplayer? Singleplayer where you play with Santiago to complete the story and multiplayer being like ARK1 ?

that would be super awesome cus then modders can make many playable campaigns for singleplayer (like there are made many maps in ark1)

[tropic crag]

Highly doubt it'll be any different in singleplayer to the multiplayer aspect, like Ark 1. But I'd be fine seeing a dedicated singleplayer story though, don't get me wrong! I just think it's unlikely they'd change the formula for that aspect so drastically, and make more work for themselves in the process.

[mint swan]

singleplayer could be a slighty modified version of the same map but with missions similar to gen 1&2 in a succession. (like a campaign)
im pretty sure they added lots of missions similar to gen1&2 but more... better and more variety , since they already had the ideas from gen1&2 it would be easier for them to make more mission types for ark2
They said theyll make more modding capabilities so maybe missions are fully customizable , in a way modders can create unlimited new types

[wanton pike]

I think it’ll be cool to have areas on the map(s) where you have pve missions tied to the storyline that you could do with a party

[mint swan]

yeah like in gen maps , thats be cool

[tropic crag]

Modders will likely have more tools to make custom missions, modes, and other such things this time around, I would think. So yeah, that's more than likely on the table. Missions are also likely to be in the game as a whole, so there's that too

[lime forge]

I’m thinking the story part of the game is gonna be tied to progression in both single and multiplayer

[wanton pike]

With better cutscenes too, that’ll be amazing

[mint swan]

yeah youre right!!! completing story missions on harder difficulties will award you skins which you can use in multiplayer

[wanton pike]

Also loved to see dungeon areas that’ll be separate from the pvp areas on the map, with tier difficulties, rewarding you with loot 🙀

[lime forge]

Progression as in tech tiers

Or skills

[mint swan]

MAYBE this time around theyll have special skins for each dino aside from skeletal ones and some cosmetics which are globally used (dino glasses skin or santa dino hat skin)

[wanton pike]

Kinda like how they have dungeons on new world, but with a ark tone to it

[mint swan]

maybe pve only , it would be unbalanced to pop into pvp with a lot of skills and tech tiers etc that you obtained in singleplayer

[mint swan]

like in ark mobile?

[lime forge]

I never said you’d be transferring progress from single player to multiplayer

[wanton pike]

Not familiar with ark mobile, but you could check new world if you want to have an idea

[mint swan]

that depends solely on vin diesel , if he wanted to voice many cutscenes , then yes , if he didnt want then no

[lime forge]

I see how you could take it that way, but what I meant was in both single player and multiplayer, the story is gonna be tied to progression.

[mint swan]

they tp u to a dungeon area which if you complete it will award you good things (osd tier kind of loot)

[mint swan]

idk about that but im sure they can award you skins for progressing

similar to collecting explorer notes

oooo maybe they hide secret mission givers around the map , similar to explorer notes

[tropic crag]

I don't think you are quite understanding what he's saying...

[lime forge]

I’m picturing full blown rpg quest givers.

[mint swan]

me neither

[lime forge]

Chain quests, side quests the whole 9 yards.

[jaunty nexus]

Interesting

[mint swan]

i hope some of the quests will be large scale , so you wont need just 1 dino to complete quests , so that players can fully use those systems from ark1 with dino squads/teams

and hopefully strenght will be in numbers in ark2 , rather than trying to infinitely breed a single type of dino to have insanse stats where you end up 1 vs 100 and win
it seems absurd to have a lower lvl rex 1 shotted by higher dmg% shotgun or your max lvl tamed rex overleved in damage, hence ,5 lower lvl rexes coming to your over leveled rex and u 1 hit all at once. Too unreal.

[wanton pike]

Yh that’ll work. On New World you have special places with dungeon portals. It’ll be cool if ark did something similar too

[mint swan]

they could pretty much get ideas from all their arks mechanics , ark 1 , ark1 mobile , even pixark , and with those ideas can create brilliant things for ark 2

[mint swan]

if you know in most rpg or exploration games , theres secret areas , either with loot ,collectibles or even hiding behind a hard to find door/entrance a whole area with more playtrought , some extra quest or fight for loot etc(take skyrim or enderal for example , it haves many of those)

since they will optimize it this time and upgrade the graphics by much more , they can make lots of tight spaces or small hidden areas for secrets etc

[wanton pike]

Tbh bro, I’m not that big of a gamer, but I imagine many games indeed have the same system. Just wanted to give out an idea of how I imagined it😁

[mint swan]

😂

[mint swan]

well , they sure know many games overall , so theyll sure have many ideas 😃

were just some peeps with much imagination purely speculating things

[wanton pike]

Exactly hahah. I only tried to say that I haven’t played many different games in my life 😅 didn’t mean anything else with what I said

[mint swan]

basically this entire channel is for those overly excited peeps about this game so they can share their toughts , but nothing is for sure other than what they announced on the steam store page. lol

myself ill legit play ark2 the entire 2023 lol

maybe 2024 too if i dont finnish all the content , if modders are fast , i doubt i will 😂😂😂

[wanton pike]

Yh, I love speculating though. Ark is literally the only game I genuinely played a lot for many years

[mint swan]

same

[stone fable]

Dying light meets dark souls meets ark?

[mint swan]

add warcraft (not world of warcraft) if they add more features to use dinosaurs in masses other than playing with only 1 damage-type dino most of the playtrought

if they add a way to control dinos similar to tek surveillance console then def it will be like warcraft too lol

[untold totem]

Why not just make an ARK RTS game based on the Tek War instead

The Exo Mek already have the concept of RTS mode

So why not

[mint swan]

maybe ppl will make smth like that as a mod later on

[blissful perch]

I would unrionically play an Xcom style ark game

[bold juniper]

With Dino’s having smarter ai they should be more compatible in group traveling

[blissful perch]

I think group tames will not be as much of a thing

Mechanics based combat means horde fights will almost certainly be worse, so I suspect the goal will be to make combat as “1v1” as possible. Maybe if we’re lucky a pack of creatures can act with a single “group” AI

[blissful perch]

I’m expecting instanced missions that tell a more linear story. After completing these missions you get knowledge points that you can use to improve skills etc. That’s my expectation from what I’ve seen on the steam page

[mint swan]

so then mega tribes wont be able to be a thing in pvp?

[blissful perch]

Not sure how that’ll all work

But it’s possible that a mega tribe would have to engage in multiple 1v1 fights rather than everyone just dumping people and tames into a space. Meaning you can hit multiple targets but your camera and the fight itself are centered around one opponent at a time

[blissful perch]

In short, my comment has nothing to do with megas

Megas can exist separately from what I’m saying…and I doubt megas will go anywhere

[mint swan]

ahh so instead of attacking all at once , they come many guys and attack you in turns , once a guy dies hes quickly replaced by another , untill most of them are beaten , the first ones who died would already geared up and made their way back into battle... damn man then soloing pvp will be impossible at that point 😂

[blissful perch]

No

I’m thinking like a mega is 50 players locked onto your sad solo butt, and you can only lock onto one of them at a time

[ionic meteor]

At this point just retreat lol

[blissful perch]

Same as ark 1 😂

[ionic meteor]

I hope not, group tames are my favorite thing

[blissful perch]

I’m thinking that you’d not be able to bring a swarm of rex out at once

[ionic meteor]

its helps you move dinos in an organized way

[ionic meteor]

why not

[blissful perch]

Because the combat wouldn’t work?

Mechanics based combat kinda relies on each enemy being more complex but there being fewer of them

If I just send in 10 rex on something, mechanics won’t do much because you can’t dodge 10 desynced attacks lol, you just die

[ionic meteor]

What about 10v10? how would that work?

[lime forge]

What do you guys mean by “group tames”?

[blissful perch]

Do you want my guess or WC’s answer

[ionic meteor]

your guess

[blissful perch]

I meant a swarm of rexes

[ripe cedar]

What about friendly fire so you dont clump everything in one spot

[lime forge]

I believe the correct term is “gaggle” a gaggle of rexes

[blissful perch]

Ok. I’m guessing a 10v10 (let’s say I have 10 rex and my opponent has 10 rex) would result in each rex targeting another in a roughly 1 to 1 pairing

Some fights would be 2 on 1, maybe 3 on 1, but no more

[ionic meteor]

yeah that could work

[blissful perch]

It’s actually a rampage, get with it paddy smh my head

[lime forge]

No. It’s a rampage of gigas, a gaggle of rexes, a pack of raptors, and a murder of dodos

[blissful perch]

@ionic meteor were you saying something 🙃

[blissful perch]

How to have an oof take place in 10 seconds or less. Large hitboxes means FF is a really rough idea

[ionic meteor]

problem with ark 1 is when you have a large scale battle like lets 30v30 you can only whistle on one target

[lime forge]

You can whistle aggressive if you want to spread them out

[blissful perch]

Well they do naturally split

Aggressive makes them target closest, and even if you all attack one target, if another attacks them and the target does not they swap aggro

[ionic meteor]

I always put my dinos on attacking target, i haven't thought of that

[ripe cedar]

Well idk what else you want if you can set the ai to prioritize damaging enemy or to be cautious when attacking near teammates(and the ai in this game actually works) then i dont see it as a problem for the smaller scale battles you want, it could be only damaging friendly creatures and not players if you want

[blissful perch]

You’d really need a major change in how ark handles hitboxes. If that happened then sure

[ripe cedar]

Well yeah i think with the new combat changes hit boxes will be more accurate

[prisma pike]

Bruh it's a second game

[blissful perch]

Meaning what? A second game can be anything 😂

[prisma pike]

Meaning it'll be coded differently

[ripe cedar]

If the bite impacts the site of the hit then id expect the hitbixes to represent where the bite actually is

[ionic meteor]

ark 2 should improve navigating with a horde of dinos, like adding a special kind of whistle that creates a convoy on a selected dinos, or adding the feature to select one dino at a time

[blissful perch]

You act like ark 1 hitboxes are a bug |||

They are intentionally large so you can hit things with a creature without having to constantly turn around

[ripe cedar]

For ark 1 that is fine but it seems like that isnt gonna be as much of the case in ark 2

[prisma pike]

Yeah well hopefully dinos in ark 2 can turn like they're not a car

[ripe cedar]

Well if your rex is hard at turning maybe it will encourage bringing some smaller more agile dinos along with you as a backup for a rear end attack

As long as they arent as useless as ark 1

[blissful perch]

Hard to say, but I’m pointing out that other things have to change to make FF remotely viable

[ionic meteor]

agreed

[prisma pike]

Nah I'll just get a spino

[blissful perch]

If spinos even work the same. Or rexes 😛

[prisma pike]

The ff I'm thinking of is probably not the same as yours

[blissful perch]

Friendly fire is doing damage to a friendly unit. Do you have another definition in mind?

[prisma pike]

Forward fob

[blissful perch]

Ok with some mild reading you could have gathered person and I were talking about friendly fire 😅

[prisma pike]

I'm eating rn I don't wanna scroll up

[lime forge]

Forward fob? Tf

Mans got a forward forward operating base

That’s like people who say ATM machine. Automated teller machine machine.

[blissful perch]

It does reveal the infinite genius of ark players

Smh my head ya know?

[lime forge]

We’re a degenerate lot, that’s for sure.

[blissful perch]

Easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen

[fallow niche]

Automated food machine?

Kidding

FF needs to be off by default for tames I accidentally murder tames all the time

[blissful perch]

Do you normally attack your tames that often?

[fallow niche]

Not on purpose, I'll be killing off something with a pike or whatever, and stab another dino

[prisma pike]

Yeah you keep all ur shit in main fob and push from ff

[lime forge]

If you haven’t accidentally murdered 6 tames are you really a survivor

[fallow niche]

6 is very specific

[lime forge]

It was July 17th. I had just tamed my first giga… May the pack Rest In Peace

[fallow niche]

Rip

[lime forge]

Nobody tells you a gigas bite wraps all the way around to the tip of its tail

This is a thing people should know

[prisma pike]

I wish the hitbox was that big

That'd be way too balanced ong

[prisma pike]

Anyways, every heard of the fff?

Or the ffff

[lime forge]

Why not rearward operating base, central command base, tactical retreat position? You can’t just keep adding forwards. Use some of the phonetic alphabet even. Alpha fob, bravo fob. Shit even numbers.

[blissful perch]

Ark brain small

Use simple words

[wispy sierra]

Once I hacked one of my trikes to death with a hatchet while trying to harvest a corpse

[fallow niche]

see

[blissful perch]

I hear a flesh sound and just stop attacking ☠️

Y’all are heartless. Your tames should abandon you

[wispy sierra]

I didn’t know ff existed

[fallow niche]

WELL if we're harvesting a corpse

[wispy sierra]

Thought it was just something to show the dinos existed

[south lance]

better if they just gave most dinos stationary turning tbh

make it slow if you want

but like, its kinda ridiculous how hard it is to move larger dinos

[ionic meteor]

istg theres nothing worse than the spino/giga turning radius

they take a walk around the map just to turn around

[split dove]

just use the secondary attack mode to turn the spino better

[ionic meteor]

i do that when im riding the spino but when i don't they just fall off a cliff

[blissful perch]

The issue is that without large hitboxes and even WITH stationary turning you’ll have issues where you endlessly spin around a smaller attacker. Or, as is evident with the amarga, you have issues where stuff gets stuck in the creature model and outside the hitbox such that it’s invincible

[pseudo beacon]

hi guys, is there a place where i can get more information of ark 2? the trailer doesn't tell me a lot

[split dove]

we are expecting to get more news on november 5th during the annual extra life charity stream wildcard does. the steam page also reveals a bunch

[pseudo beacon]

nice

[split dove]

have you looked at the steam page yet or only the trailers?

[pseudo beacon]

only the trailers

[split dove]

i'd suggest going to the steam page for descriptions of what you can expect the gameplay to be like

[pseudo beacon]

thanks

[fallow niche]

It's all helpfully pinned in this channel too

[blissful perch]

You’re contractually obligated to tell us what you think of the steam page and other pinned messages though

[pseudo beacon]

aight ill start working on an essay

[carmine zephyr]

I just thought of this if ark 2 doesnt have otters ill be very upset

Like very very upset

[mortal kestrel]

they most definitely should not

all of conans monsters all have no turn radius at all

and I dont think you realize how ridiculous that looks, or how awkward it makes fighting

its just straight up ridiculous

especially since the monsters dont even have a turn animation, they just slide in a circle and its dumb

I do agree that most creatures having a smaller turn radius would be nice, as long as they can make the animation look clean

[south lance]

you can just update with propee animations

[south lance]

this would be solved with better hit aoe imo

[blissful perch]

'better' how?

[mortal kestrel]

the problem is, you can really make a large creature turning in place look good tbh

I think the current rex turn radius is good enough, dont need to turn on a dime

[south lance]

improve it so 1) you can hit shit directly beneath you and 2) idk i think thats basically it

youre basically talking about how troodons can just gank things like spinos cause they rush to their legs right

[south lance]

i think its possible to make a decent turn animation

that isnt just slide rotation

[mortal kestrel]

like I said, the current rex turn animation is pretty good

and thats honestly as sharp as turns need to be

any sharper and fights just dont feel natural, which takes away from how fun they can be

you're just forcing damage by breaking the laws of physics

I think a wider turn animation can feel better if dinos in arkII have a rear attack, like a tail swipe or a kick

hell, I wouldnt even mind dinos being able to do a lunge to turn around, like sarcos can do now

[dry flame]

If Ark 2 doesn't have a Tek toilet,

[blissful perch]

i wouldn't mind sidesteps or slides, etc

or even just more neck radius

[oak crystal]

This will get a lot of heat but get rid of wyverns.

[mortal kestrel]

thats not going to happen

they are too popular to not make a return, hopefully reworked to better fit with the new combat

[blissful perch]

agree

[tropic crag]

I wish they would, but we all know they'll return in some fashion

[blissful perch]

i wish only the fire wyvern returned lol

[tropic crag]

Only the lightning, for me, if even that. Maaaaaaaaaaybe the voidwyrm too, as a temporary tame that breaks down after 24 hours or something, like a titan

I wish the Ark 1 bosses stayed tamable like they were in early access, that would've been cool. Seeing as they used the concept for the titans, I don't see how it's much different. They are also much weaker than the titans, too. Maybe we'll see temporary boss tames in Ark 2🤞

[blissful perch]

Idk, I didn’t really like the concept

I hate gigas, which are basically tamable mini bosses, because they’re just stats and not much else

I was kinda ok with the concept of titans, but it’s super annoying in PvE to compete with people to get them tamed, and the balance of things gets a wee bit totally broken

[ripe marsh]

I agree with the both of you. Taming bosses is really cool but in the sense of PvE or PvP it shouldn't be allowed

[tropic crag]

I think that the bosses were actually much better balanced than the titans, if only for the fact that you could:

1. Summon them from any drop or obelisk
2. Get the artifacts and tributes much easier than the titans' tributes, or even the mats to tame a titanosaur
3. Not build on them, which is a big part of the issue with titans, imo

Made it far easier for the little guys to fight back than the titans or titanosaurs ever did, too

(Which I thought was their whole point, for them to be used as a way for smaller tribes to actually fight the alpha tribes off)

And as far as titans in PvE, there really shouldn't have been a limit to how many of them could be tamed at once, since they despawn/die eventually anyways. They're literally just show off tames in PvE.

Except maybe like one per tribe/player, if only to help with server performance I guess

Don't know how taxing they are on servers and low-end clients tbh

[blissful perch]

Not sure how this would ever work without alphas using it to greater effect

[tropic crag]

Precisely what I was thinking too, sadly

You also run into the issues of how many are allowed per server, and how to balance it without it seeming unfair for the bigger tribes (to which I say, fuck em. Mega tribes are powerful enough, any tribe bigger than 20 or something can't tame em, problem solved)

[blissful perch]

better to just not do that lol

I think mission specific boss tames and such could work though

[pseudo beacon]

hello people of this discord
shifter told me i had to tell my opinion of ark II (using the information we have rn)

Ahum

when i saw the things on the yt channel i thought it was just gonna be ark but better graphics, new map and some little changes.
then flobs opened my eyes (thanks)
so i read the steam desc, and the full website thing, and now im gonna tell my opinion about it.

first of all, and i know this might sound weird but, i always get just more excited when a game delays, idk. the longer i have to wait, the more i think about it, so the delay is no problem for me. (im also happy wildcard gives a f about their employees health)

NPC’s:
i just hope they test this shit, like, i could be so cool if they do it good, like conquering the island and basically raiding bases in singleplayer, but if they’re just gonna be little groups of some guys in leather with a raptor its not gonna add much to the game.
also i dont know what they mean with “team-up with legendary heroes”, but i hope it’s not gonna be ARK: Shadow Legends.

MODS:
ive never played modded but its cool they add mods to console

THIRD PERSON:
i personally like first person more than third person, in first person it feels like you’re actually there, in third person it feels like im controlling a robot, but ill give it a try, the combat is probably better in third person.

im excited for the new traversal mechanics, especially the swinging, i love some good parkour in a game

COMBAT:
yes. i love this.

CRAFTING:
yes. just, like, different parts of the island, different looks for the weapons. i love that they did this.

EVENTS:
they don’t say what the event’s are, so i can’t have an opinion on it yet, sounds cool!
the fact that it always loads the events sounds heavy tho, but i think wildcard know’s what they’re doing.

BUILDING TEMPLATES:
i’ve never tried getting good at building in ark, so idk, sounds good but i probably won’t use it.

CREATURE AI:
yes.

SKILL SYSTEM:
yes, i just hope it isn’t too OP

UE5:
sounds amazing, i love good graphics, i hope my 3060 can handle it.

in the message from the founders they say attacks of creatures are gonna be more realistic which is amazing, they also give more information about the events, which are different than what i thought of when i read about them, but im still excited for them.

‘Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right.’
ARK has been my favorite game ever since i know of it, but im pretty sure ARK II is gonna be better

[ripe cedar]

I think any 30 series gpu should be fine, if it isnt i would be worries about what wildcard was doing

[blissful perch]

Agree…I’m worried my 2080Ti won’t cut it but if a 3060 can’t cut it that’s bad news lol

[blissful perch]

Thanks for letting us know! I was also really surprised about the events being things like migrations, watering holes, injured creatures, and den encounters

[ripe cedar]

Worries about 2080ti? Its actually slightly better than a 3060 according to userbenchmark

[lime forge]

I’m gonna read all that anyways, but I do feel it could have been condensed and summarized. Just sayin.

[ripe cedar]

Why do people here hate reading so much

[blissful perch]

It’s people in general

[lime forge]

I love reading, I read hundreds of pages a night at work.

[ripe cedar]

By slightly better i mean 75% better

[blissful perch]

Well then lol

[lime forge]

I’m not even a little worried about my 1080ti. This thing is a monster

[ripe cedar]

I only have a 1080 which would be fine for ark for mostly stable fps if i didnt play on 1440p lol

[blissful perch]

Ah whoops messed up my specs

[lime forge]

I’ve yet to come across a game that can make my gpu cry. I can play every game I’ve ever downloaded on max settings with 120+ fps. As soon as I have to lower settings I’ll consider a new card, but I’d be surprised if Ark 2 was that game.

[blissful perch]

It’s a GeForce RTX 2080…8GB

I imagined the ti 🥲

[oak crystal]

I haven’t needed to buy a new card since 2017. I’ll probably get a 3060ti at my local shop if they carry them. Ain’t no way am I going to trust any online stores.

Only time I experienced lag is when I’m on pvp severs and we are doing big raids. But I don’t think WC can really do anything about the lag in those scenarios. People have different pings and PCs.

[blissful perch]

Well that and that lag doesn’t really relate to graphics cards iirc

That’s just the server sucking wind or your CPU lol

[oak crystal]

I’ve seen people mess with files and the maps look like barren wastelands in order to achieve a competitive edge over the others. At some point WC should raise the gpu/cpu requirements to a more current level. Like if you’re rocking an i3 and a 580, the game isn’t going you let you play on a pc.

[blissful perch]

I do prefer that

But at the same time, some settings variation is just gonna be essential. For example shadows needlessly raise minimum specs, and when off DO provide a small competitive advantage…but imo it’s worth having the setting

Stuff like invalidating plant Z and removing all cover foliage tho is messed up 😂

[ripe cedar]

Well then maybe dont provide complete file access to be able to edit settings as easily to do that

[blissful perch]

Well that’s the ini editing stuff which I’m hella sus about

But there is an argument about totally vanilla settings being a bit TOO forgiving

[untold ingot]

I mean, hopefully you don't need to do ini edits in ark2. Having a sufficiently good menu with advanced settings, and the ability to mod new settings in should be enough

[mortal kestrel]

I only have a GTX960, so my pc is a big potato

I'd like to be able to run arkII even if I have to keep all the settings low, so Ill be annoyed if the minimum requirements are raised just to be raised

[oak crystal]

It’s going to based on Unreal 5. It’s probably a good time to upgrade.

[blissful perch]

On the flip side, I don’t want WC to cater to literal potatoes at the cost of the product

Ark 2 is a 2023-2024 product and should be expected to run on readily available current hardware rather than cater to fossils

[lime forge]

Amen

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, you literally dont have to

graphics settings exist for a reason

[past wind]

You shouldn’t expect they will support a seven years old GPU. It’s not reallistic.

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, yeah it is

I can run modded ark just fine with the most mods I've ran at once being a bit above 40 at one time, so I really dont see my system being completely incapable of running arkII

that would be just straight bullshit, that my system can run heavily modded ark, but cant even run base arkII

especially considering that arkIs system requirements are inflated to begin because of how badly coded the game is

[past wind]

Being able to run is different from being supported.

You will have trouble to run Ark 2 with that GPU

[mortal kestrel]

if anything arkII should be easier to run because it would be (hopefully) coded better

[past wind]

I’m almost certain

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt

[lilac atlas]

Can't keep Ark 1 official servers up , also the same devs that have it so flyers take fall damage that sais it all oh and the no anti cheat .

[past wind]

Look… I’m expecting Ark 2 world will be massive. Running it with 2gb of vram will be hard.

But the ini might be a solution

Read between the lines. Old gen consoles won’t be supported. They are aiming more modern hardware

[mortal kestrel]

it doesnt matter how massive a game is, you can make it easier to run by just having a bit loading at a time, similar to minecrafts chunks

[past wind]

The tech is going the other way, to lower loading times

If WC is aiming new tech, is hard to go that far back (8 years)

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt that they wouldnt have a setting to enable loading a bit at a time, it even exists in arkI

[past wind]

You know that’s been a complain on pvp for years, right? One of the reasons they might not allow lower LODs

On Ark 1 it’s possible to lower LODs so much you can see people behind rocks or trees

Also the bases taking a lot of time to load

There’s a lower limit

[tropic crag]

Yeah, fuck that, no offense. But we are going to hopefully have no more of that. Current gen is the only gen that should be considered when it comes to game development, change my mind

[mighty lion]

What do you think about using orbit cam to look through mesh at bases? Remove that too?

[tropic crag]

Orbit cam shouldn't exist except MAYBE in PvE, so yes

[blissful perch]

You literally do. It’s called games getting more complex. A computer that can run minesweeper should not be the standard any modern game should have to adhere to at any settings range

[mortal kestrel]

my computer isnt a computer that can just run minesweeper, its a computer that can run modded ark with 40+ mods

and if my system cant run arkII despite that then there's something wrong here

[tropic crag]

With a 7 year old GPU*

[blissful perch]

Ark is a seven year old game

[mortal kestrel]

with its requirements inflated because of its poor coding

[blissful perch]

Ark had bad system requirements seven years ago when it came out. With both time AND optimization it’s been able to become more accessible

More people now would be able to run original ark 1 because seven years means hardware has evolved a lot

[mortal kestrel]

arkII should be even easier to run than arkI if its coded properly, especially in early access

[tropic crag]

We've already had this conversation about the store page requirements 🙄

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 will be harder on the cpu is my guess

Complex AI and combat in a large ecosystem does not sound specs friendly

Especially with the sense system…you need multiple overlays for each “sense” which I suspect further taxes hardware

[tropic crag]

Early access also does not in any shape or form mean easier to run, that isn't true whatsoever

Citation: Ark 1

[pseudo beacon]

i think they will try to make it around the same as ark 1 so all players can play ark 2 without having to upgrade

[stray elm]

Doubtful.

[tropic crag]

It's already not coming to previous gen consoles, what makes you say that?

[blissful perch]

Doubt. Ark 1 again is seven years old

[mortal kestrel]

for pc? not really doubtful

consoles is different, pc is just pc

[blissful perch]

And they confirmed ark 2 isn’t coming to old Gen consoles

[tropic crag]

Your logic makes no sense

Hardware has changed in seven years

So has the software

[blissful perch]

I’m assuming max settings ark 1 players will be fine for ark 2

But folks at the lower or lowest end? I’m suspecting they’ll be left out

[mortal kestrel]

a pc is much more expensive to upgrade than a console

whereas people typically upgrade to the latest console anyways within a few years

[pseudo beacon]

yeah i just thought if they wanted people to buy the game they would need to make it as easy to run as possible

[blissful perch]

A pc can be upgraded in a modular fashion. Price varies a lot

[blissful perch]

There’s a balance between accessible and “oops you sacked the cutting edge of the genre to make potatoes able to play the game”

[mortal kestrel]

"max settings" okay ue5 games are not that much more taxing than ue4

people who can run ark on medium settings should be fine for arkII, more realistically

[mortal kestrel]

not really

again, graphics settings exist

for a pretty good damn reason

[blissful perch]

Graphics is but one dimension of specs requirements

Ark also has huge issues with RAM, where large bases and crowded servers just dunk on your RAM

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but its the most significant

[tropic crag]

I was moreso talking to Eve, but I understand your point though. That is kinda the dilemma, keep it low spec (and therefore lower quality to boot, as it needs to be compatible with older specs) or upgrade everything and have it all look (and be) better

[blissful perch]

It’s the most costly, but it’s not the most significant

[mortal kestrel]

arkII is already confirmed to have that issue addressed though

[blissful perch]

It’s confirmed to solve the ark 1 issue of mob clutter perhaps. But a massive map with more complex creatures isn’t gonna lighten the net load

You could kiss ark 2 AI, Aratai, and events goodbye if ark 2 had ark 1 levels of creature clutter and poor optimization

[mortal kestrel]

well, I mean the building issues too

[blissful perch]

Right, but it looks like the building is becoming more complex as a result, so it will fill that vacuum

Basically they’re fixing ark 1 hurdles so they can do MORE in ark 2. My guess is that they’ll have ark 2 operate with modern hardware in mind simply because that’s what a cutting edge product tends to do

[tropic crag]

I don't even know why this is a point of contention for anyone, they should use every resource available/at their disposal, should they not? And if that means half (or more) of the playerbase has to upgrade their rig, why would that be a bad thing? Games are held back so often by previous gen specs, and it's not good for most aspects of the games (see: literally any game released on the Wii-U, then re-released on the Switch)

[blissful perch]

There’s a time and place to be accommodating

If I’m releasing a game like minesweeper, why on earth wouldn’t I seek to make that as accessible as possible?

But if I’m releasing a massive project with a large/complex world and a lot of systems that challenge new tech? Potatoes just won’t cut it and shouldn’t be part of the discussion

[split dove]

i'm getting flashbacks of the wii-u rn

[tropic crag]

Same, poor Wii-U BotW, gone but also forgotten

[mortal kestrel]

just because building is more complex doesnt automatically mean it gets significantly harder to load, like what?

they literally made that whole statement about building to stress that it would be easier to load 😂

[blissful perch]

It’s all in aggregate

If ark 1 has tons of structures and entities and causes lag, and ark 2 makes that better but THEN adds complexity to the fewer entities and structures, you can see how spec requirements may not change

[tropic crag]

Where does it say that? I just see better client and serverside performance, not "easier to load"...

[mortal kestrel]

I dont know why its a point of contention either

its extremely snobbish to complain about games being accessible to the larger audience... I am not even saying the game has to look good for older pcs, I'm just happy with it running

hence my emphasis on having settings to make the game easier to load

you can have an extremely good final product while still making it accessible

[tropic crag]

Since those are not the same thing

[mortal kestrel]

if it wasnt easier to load then performance wouldnt be affected

[blissful perch]

It’s unrealistic coping to expect certain games to appeal to all forms of hardware is the point. Some hardware just can’t handle it

[tropic crag]

There's a difference between accessible and dragging the game down to accommodate older tech

[blissful perch]

It’s not a request to avoid optimizing the game. Everyone wins when a game is optimized. But certain hardware is flat out too old for certain advancements in gaming, and I expect UE 5 is a big jump in gaming that will render some hardware unable to keep up

[mortal kestrel]

anyway, this conversation is pointless regardless, yall are clearly deadset on being snobby, and I honestly couldnt care less about yalls opinions on the matter, since I bet yall are the kind of person who judges a game based on graphics alone anyways 🤷‍♀️

[blissful perch]

So the choice then becomes cutting out real content to satisfy the potato gamers…or create the content that’s actually possible on the new tech

[tropic crag]

That is really funny, keep assuming. I'm the last person to care about graphics LMAO

[blissful perch]

I set graphics to lowest except for my creature textures 🧠

[lavish rain]

Wanna test that?

[tropic crag]

Sure

Try me

[lavish rain]

Alright

Play ark with 80s retro graphics

[tropic crag]

You mean PixArk? Meh, didn't like the gameplay and style too much

[lavish rain]

You said you don't like the style

Boom point proven

[blissful perch]

You look delusional when you ask people to make cutting edge modern games accommodate ancient hardware, and I’m trying to help you see why that’s an entitled take 😂. There’s real limits on what can be made accessible to a certain point

[lavish rain]

Hip thrusting

[tropic crag]

Quality and style are two different things, lmao

The style of a game hardly denotes the quality of it

But on the real, go play like, FTL, or Infernax, or Tinykin. Not graphically challenging games by any means, but man are they fun

Ark, on the other hand, is pushing the envelope on what games can look like. Or at least trying to, that is.

[blissful perch]

Some games also profit from good graphics more

Horizon zero dawn with low poly graphics would be shit lol. But xcom would probably play just fine

[lavish rain]

It's pushing the envelope on what modern hardware can handle

[blissful perch]

You mean ark 1 in 2015 did? I’d say that’s fair

[lavish rain]

Ye

[tropic crag]

Hardly. If it can be ran on current specs, it's not pushing any envelopes as far as handling/running the game. But graphically, it may impress some. And yet again, we still don't know the minimum requirements so this is all a moot point 🫥

[blissful perch]

It can push the envelope and still be playable lol

I’d say WC has pretty aggressive ambition on trying to push the engine and what’s possible creatively and code wise

[tropic crag]

I'm thinking like NASA computer requirements when I think crazy under-the-hood requirements though, to be fair 😅

[tropic crag]

True, they are trying to do things that are pretty out there, even for a AAA studio, at times

[blissful perch]

Fair take, but yea I didn’t mean that and I assume @lavish rain didn’t either

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[blissful perch]

I’d say this is WC’s shining trait is their ambition. I think it needs a little dampening with QC to catch some uh big oops moments, but I love the soul they put into making something that’s unique regardless of the risk

WC will never disappoint me by taking the “safe but lame” route. Almost everything that was new to ark 1 had something WC was testing to try to take the game farther

[lime forge]

Ark 2 release yet?

[tropic crag]

For sure, I'm with ya on that

[noble epoch]

Honestly, i'm gonna stick to Ark 1. I don't think ark 2 is gonna be worth all the hype.

[blissful perch]

You’re entitled to that opinion. I do hope you’re not on official tho, cause the end of official is likely a couple years away unless ark 2 flops horribly

[tropic crag]

It'll be on gamepass, so there's that at least. You can try it before buying it like Ark 1 as well, I would hope (1 hour demo type stuff)

[past wind]

Ark 2 will be more optimized for sure. UE5 is more optimized than UE4, what you fail to understand is being more optimized means 2023 hardware will run Ark 2 better than 2015 hardware ran Ark 1 back then.

You really expect the same hardware will run Ark 2 with more fps than Ark 1? That’s not reallistic.

[blissful perch]

^this. It’s not snobbish to be realistic 😂

[mortal kestrel]

no Im not

Im just saying its snobbish expect ark to only run on the absolute latest pc hardware

[blissful perch]

You said you have a 960 right? That’s…old

[past wind]

That’s how the world works, my friend. You can’t expect they implement new stuff aiming old hardware.

Also, I don’t believe anyone is talking about “absolute latest pc hardware”, but anything lower than a Gtx 1660 or a Rx 5600 is delusional.

[blissful perch]

Seven years old to be exact. Not being able to use that for ark 2 does not qualify as “omg they’re gatekeeping only to the most modern hardware”

[split dove]

the benefits of working and earning money so i can already upgrade after 1 month of work 💰

me money

[untold ingot]

I mean that seems reasonable. The 1660 released like 4 years ago

They probably will make it more accessible to older computers though

Pcs generally don't have the same concrete hardware limitations that console does. I ran ark1 on a pc thst didn't even have a dedicated gpu for a year, I could play every map except ab at 30fps. The Ue5 engine does require dx11 or dx12, which most computers should have anyway. I think it's probably safe to say that if your pc gets 60fps in ark1, it'll probably get like 45fps in ark2

[past wind]

Right?!

[untold ingot]

It's hard to say for certain because we don't k ow the specs of the game

But if your computer doesn't have at least dx11, and ideally dx12 then it won't run at all

[past wind]

It’s not just age, it’s specs + hardware generation. Like DX12 tiers and amount of Vram

I mean his/her GPU has 2GB of Vram. Entry level GPUs today have at least 4GB.

Massive open worlds demand a lot of Vram

[untold ingot]

True

[past wind]

Also CPUs with less than 6/12 cores/threads

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I agree. I would recommend upgrading if you are totally set on playing ark2 at the best capability, but there is a chance that for pc you won't have to

Worst case scenario, ark1 is still going to be playable

Maybe not on official (nothing has been said officially about this yet) , but you'll still be able to get a server, or play sp

[past wind]

Sure, but I really doubt they will support GPUs like the GTX 960. Will it run?! Probably, but you can’t complain the game crashs of underperform on certain situations.

I’m not saying it won’t run, but I’m saying wildcard won’t support hardware that’s too old

[untold ingot]

It won't run well, that is for sure. But it might run

There is nothing inherent about the 960 that says it can't run on Ue5, but it'll struggle for sure

[past wind]

Agreed, but he/she was expecting WC would support his/her hardware.

[untold ingot]

Ou definitely won't need a 30 or 40 tier Nvidia, because game designers know that most people don't have and can't get those, so even if they design it for that, they still allow other ones to work

[past wind]

Definitely, but look, he is expecting his hardware will pass WC’s minimum requirements. I believe it won’t.

Does it mean it won’t run? No! But like you said, it will struggle on certain scenarios.

What means some hardware isn’t supported?! If you open a support ticket, they will just say you need better hardware to run the game.

[mortal kestrel]

I never said support, I said I should be able to run arkII with it

no way arkII is more performance intensive than arkI with 40 mods back in 2019

[blissful perch]

That…sorta implies support. Support usually implies “should be able to run”

[past wind]

You talked about minimum requirements on Steam page. That’s support…

[past wind]

It will be… more physics, more effects etc

[blissful perch]

Well, could be anyway

Reduction of entities may be a pretty major load lightener. But I suspect like you do Charlie that the added complexity will result in a net need for better specs

[past wind]

I could be wrong, but I never saw a game sequel, with improved graphics and physics that’s lighter than the older game.

I’m sure entry level 2023 gpus will run it better than what we saw on 2015

[blissful perch]

I suspect there are a few with sequels that came out a couple years after that may be like that

[past wind]

Using the same engine, maybe. But Ark 2 is a huge step ahead.

[blissful perch]

Agree completely

Experimental UE4 in 2015 -> UE5 in 2023 is a major jump

[past wind]

We will see. I’m basing my assessment on some facts: new engine with implementation of lots of new effects. They are aiming to do now everything they envisioned to Ark 1. And so on.

👆using 2014 mid-range GPU isn’t something I would recommend to run Ark 2 having the above on my mind

[blissful perch]

Well and this assumes a not 2014 level spec in everything else

My computer in 2014 would likely burst into flames trying ark 2. And rightly so

[past wind]

4/8 cpu will probably struggle

8700k (6/12) is already struggling on some titles

The current gen consoles have 8/16 CPUs

[untold ingot]

Well, as I said before, there is a lot of difference between console and pc. Pc is generally way more flexible on what it can and cant run. Games arent hardcoded for a certain number of cpu cores or anything. As long as it meets the minimum requirements it should run. Like I said, I ran ark1 without a gpu for a year. It wasnt great but it worked. Generally you can make a 960 work for any game, but it will struggle and you cant use high settings. I think putting a 1660 gpu and an i5 as a minimum for a 2023 game is a little too ambitious. I would expect to see that as the recommended honestly

[blissful perch]

You think an i5 as minimum is too ambitious?

[past wind]

About CPUs core count, I meant consoles are the standard to the gaming industry (for most titles). When they increase the amount of cores/threads the new game engines tend to be optimized for more cores, as IPC and clocks are on the limit already.

[past wind]

My guess: mid-tier cpu (i5) not older than 2 generations behind, mid-tier GPU (xxx60) not older than 2 generations, 16GB of ram, SSD

👆min req

For epic settings I GUESS we will need RTX 4000 series to use DLSS and ray tracing. Gen 4 nvme to use DirectStorage

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I really doubt that will be the min requirement

A 960 is a pretty standard min for most games released recently

[oak crystal]

I’ll miss the days of having an entire ssd dedicated to Ark maps. Though I’m sure that’ll be only enjoy for a short time.

[past wind]

I won’t. 😂

[dry flame]

Ark 2 needs looping emotes or

[rotund grail]

Ark 2 leak come on .

[dry flame]

I mean, if you just want rumors I can make up a few.

[rotund grail]

Lol bet it delayed

[dry flame]

Oh, it's already been delayed three times, canceled once, revived, and scripted for a movie.

Where you been?

[rotund grail]

Lol

True might be out next year .But probably 1 more delay tho .

[dry flame]

Add eight months to any announced timeframe. Enjoy the feeling of being pleasantly surprised.

(Honestly, more dev studios need to do this. SWTOR pulls this with their maintenance all the time and people think they just have fast maintenance. Nah! They just pad the estimated time!)

[rotund grail]

Instead of wildcard Need to change to delayedcard

[oak crystal]

Late 2023 😜

[potent hull]

we my see some ark 2 next month on 5 at :Extra Life if you think we will give me a 👍🏻

[stray elm]

Haha.

No.
I will not give you reactions.

[tropic crag]

Don't be pooing in our party, ya hoser

[stray elm]

Asking for reactions is the discord equivalent of begging for likes on Youtube.
And you can't change my mind about it.

[tropic crag]

Asking for an opinion and begging for approval are very different things, but ok lol

[distant fractal]

will ark 2 have missions?

[tropic crag]

More than likely

[distant fractal]

whyyyyyyyy gen 2 missions was better but as a single player i cant do it

[tropic crag]

I mean, I would hope they've learned from Genesis 1 & 2 about how to balance missions and such. And also not to do anything like Downriver Run ever again.

[blissful perch]

enforcer race? S tier

Downriver Run? F tier

[tropic crag]

I would also like to see them have adjustable missions, as in missions that change depending on how many people are participating, what dinos are being used, level of players, etc

[untold ingot]

Downriver run is only bad on a server though

[tropic crag]

The enforcer race was alright, still not super doable by the average Ark player though

[tropic crag]

Uhh, it's bad no matter what, lol

[untold ingot]

Nah, it's a piece of cake with good ping

[tropic crag]

In singleplayer, alpha is still impossible without cheats

[untold ingot]

Only takes like 3-4 retrys

Is the sp different than then server version?

[tropic crag]

That may be an issue of separate balance between Steam and Xbox, tbh

You don't get nearly enough time to complete it on Xbox

[distant fractal]

same on pc

[tropic crag]

Since we already know they have weird balance shit, like decaying goddamn seeds, only on Steam

[untold ingot]

Hmm, because I completed it on alpha both on server and sp

[distant fractal]

HOW

[tropic crag]

I thought so, but idk, haven't seen it myself

[distant fractal]

its like imposible on single player

[untold ingot]

I don't know, I had 1 second of spare tjme

[distant fractal]

did u complete the gauntlets and stuf?

[untold ingot]

On a server yeaj

[distant fractal]

i dont think its possible in single player corect me if im wrong

[untold ingot]

I don't know honestly, with tek legs and the tek bow it should be fine

[blissful perch]

It’s bearable in my experience but it was just insanely unfun lol

[distant fractal]

first 2 are fun last in just torture in single player

[blissful perch]

I didn’t really like any of them lol. Stupidly slow paced and kinda clunky

[stray elm]

Enforcer race is fun, when said enforcer isn't being janky.
Downriver is just.....bad....
I have PTSD over it.

[lavish rain]

Downriver run feels like your playing on 1 sensitivity

[elfin pumice]

my canoe didn't even spawn in the 3 times I attempted downriver run

[tropic crag]

It's widely regarded as the shittiest mission for a reason, I'll say that much

[prisma pike]

You have to have a mouse and keyboard. It's pretty easy with one I first tried it on a laggy gen 2 and did the same on a friend's acc

If you can't beat it on PC then skill issue but with a controller it's impossible because the analog controls

[tropic crag]

It's not the controls, I can handle it fine with the controller, the mission is just buggy for me all around

[prisma pike]

Unless you can push your stick directly straight and back constantly it's impossible

[prisma pike]

Rock hitboxes?

Cause those things are not correct lol

[tropic crag]

That's one issue, yeah

[prisma pike]

That's the only real issue I've really had with the mission besides controller controls and lag tbh

But I had a friend who's star dolphin was completely unresponsive and he ate fed suits for like 6 months

[tropic crag]

Star Dolphin was bad, too, but eventually it got better. For me, at least

[prisma pike]

Remember the vents antimesh lmao

I lived in one and the antimesh never really showed up till we had walls on each side

Next thing you know people are dropping like flies while chilling in the base lol

[tropic crag]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah... that was rough

Landed my first voidwyrm in one of em, in singleplayer so it didn't matter as much, but OOF did that hurt

[prisma pike]

There's no antimesh in singleplayer though?

[tropic crag]

It was for me, idk

[prisma pike]

Speaking of voids someone was taming a noglin with one and the noglin came off and the void was still wild lol

That and it tried breeding with the skiff beforehand like wut

[tropic crag]

It thought it's "hardware" was... compatible.

[prisma pike]

It was a female void 🤔

[tropic crag]

Girls gotta have fun too 🤣

I do hope they make it in to Ark 2 in some way, even as just like a set piece in the wreckage of the ship or something, maybe even a harvestable node for scrap metal and the like

[prisma pike]

For the love of God don't make ark 2 have extra levels from shit like explorer notes

I've killed the Titans so many times and have none of their notes somehow

And I have to go back and start a gamma ab and shit for the notes in the arena like bro

At least make the game register that you've killed a boss correctly if you're gonna do that lol

[mighty lion]

9 days until extra life

[worldly garden]

😱

[wintry bobcat]

Morning anyone on Xbox PvE selling top stats rexes and x rexes ? Thanks

[tropic crag]

This is the Ark 2 channel, you probably want #general or #ark-survival-ascended

[lime forge]

Yeah. Nobody has top stat rexes in Ark 2 yet.

Probably not even the devs.

Bruh. Give us SOMETHING… been daydreaming about Ark 2 all night. I feel like SpongeBob when he visited Sandy’s bubble for the first time. Shits getting ridiculous.

[mortal kestrel]

bruh you know what arkII really needs?

stealth camping

[lime forge]

Stealth camping?

[mortal kestrel]

like, imagine having a waist high sleeping bag, or the ability to make lean-tos or a small A frame shelter

[mortal kestrel]

its what it sounds like

camping without being noticed, would be an awesome mechanic for pvp, and possibly observing the local fauna or world events while being harder to detect

[lime forge]

Ooooh. Yeah that’d be great.

I hope there’s some kind of stealth mechanic

If I can’t throw fireballs at least let me be a rogue

[blissful perch]

I mean the sensing system sounds like stealth is sort of a major gameplay mechanic

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

thats part of why I am suggesting stealth camping

if you really dont know what stealth camping is, I recommend looking it up on youtube

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t feel safe in a lean to in ark 2 lol

I’d much prefer living in a tree 😂

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but say you are traveling early game, its easier to set up a lean to than be in a tree

especially if you lack rope

[lime forge]

I want stealth against players

[blissful perch]

parkour (or ya know, just climbing)

[blissful perch]

If we can use the sensing of creatures stealth would be cool. Imagine finding a way to mask your heat in ark 1 to evade owl detection

[lime forge]

I’m starting to swell up just thinking about it

[broken dune]

Is there gonna be multiple maps in ark 2? just like ark 1

[lime forge]

We don’t know

[ripe cedar]

Add spy to ark 2?

[blissful perch]

That’s too based. Reduce

[ripe cedar]

Include janky source engine melee

[winged dome]

-Gets facestabbed by a Raptor-
Bullshit, I'm switching to Soldier...

[blissful perch]

Rocket jump kills a raptor

[oak crystal]

I hope they add more foods to eat in the game that provide various buffs. The current ones were good but I kinda wished they added more variety. Give me cheese in the game that adds a decrease to bones breaking at the expense of pooping all the time because I’m lactose intolerant.

[wary trail]

yea

[blissful perch]

I’d like more foods that aren’t just straight up buffing items

[peak mulch]

I hope I can find Maewings in Ark 2

[lavish rain]

I hate to break it to you but they most likely aren't coming

[blissful perch]

that's the dream

[lime forge]

Why wouldn’t they

[ripe cedar]

Ark 2 just isnt ready for milkers

[lavish rain]

Maewings are busted in ark1

And people hate gen2 so yeah

[terse swallow]

If they add anything like a Maewing to ark2 then that's totally going to suck. One mount can trivialize all travel and exploration in a game. I personally wouldnt mind if fliers were much weaker or could only fly very short distances.

[mint swan]

bro if they add anti cheat and make ark 2 better graphics and a few changes but basically the same pvp scene as ark 1 then that would be best if its dead pvp i aint buying😂

[blissful perch]

(Who’s gonna tell him ark 2 PvP won’t resemble ark 1 PvP)

[split dove]

that might be for the best seeing as how it's currently going

[terse swallow]

Has anyone seen any real game play yet? If not then how will we know if ark2 pvp is any different?

[untold totem]

see Steam decription

your tame dinos is not gonna be the left click nomnom spam

the AI will be different

[blissful perch]

Third person souls combat is not how I’d describe ark 1 combat

[split dove]

ark 1 combat doesn't require a lot of skill either

[winged dome]

What makes 'Souls combat' ... souls combat? Dodging and rolling? Locking on? Legend of Zelda had most of that back in N64 days

[lime forge]

It do be true

[lavish rain]

Combat system souls games have, as they are the most well known games with said combat

[lime forge]

Pretty sure Ocarina of Time is more known and played than any souls game

[lavish rain]

Wtf is ocarina of time

[lavish rain]

Tf is that game

[lime forge]

Don’t play dumb

[oak crystal]

[lavish rain]

Oh

[lime forge]

I’ve never been so disappointed in another human being

[lavish rain]

It's zelda

I was a dumbfuck

@lime forge well I'm sorry I've never played a Zelda game before

[lime forge]

I will never speak to you again

[lavish rain]

Point being

It's still considered souls like combat

Nobody gonna call it ocarina like combat

[oak crystal]

Ocarina combat coming soon to Ark 2.

[fallow niche]

[past wind]

Please WC share more info about Ark 2. We don’t want to argue about what is an NPC or an Ocarina-like game.

Thanks

[lavish rain]

Like they'll just do that

I genuinely think they won't do very much ark2 in extra life

[oak crystal]

same

[lavish rain]

They could easily, not do very much. They could fill the stream with carchar and animated series

With MAYBE a leak about how the carno is confirmed for ark2

[oak crystal]

Carnos are coming to Ark 2? NICE!!

[past wind]

If it’s a souls-like combat Carno, I’m in.

[lavish rain]

This shows how desperate we are for info

[wise shadow]

if only i could take my 190 char to ark 2😢

[blissful perch]

Haven’t commented on the breeding conversations yet have you 😞

[lime forge]

And all our mutated tames, fuck yeah.

[wise shadow]

those i don’t care about. was the 15 billion xp i gotta get agian

[winged dome]

Kinda got me thinking about experience curves ... Just thinking aloud, but I'm curious on other people's thoughts.

I like the idea of increasing max level with in-game accomplishments like bosses or Ascension, but the drastic increase in experience required for some of those later levels gets to MMO levels of grinding for such a small benefit.

Or do people like how the curve is now?

[blissful perch]

All the exp in ark 1 is scuffed something awful because of explorer notes

[winged dome]

Early game, yeah but seeing as you get 10 extra levels for finding them all, that still leave a ton of experience to grab without any major boosts

Yeah, thats kinda my thinking. Earlier levels should be a bit slower, and later levels a looooot faster

[blissful perch]

Exp boost from genesis 2 missions

And ofc you can always line up eggs in ark 1 and farm like crazy

[muted cloak]

i hope mutts and breeding get an overhaul

[blissful perch]

Removing mutation stacking, or at minimum dropping the stat points they come with, would be the best thing ever changed in ark 2

[muted cloak]

stacking is fun tho it just needs a new method

too easy to do

gets abused

[blissful perch]

Too…easy?

It takes 10 thousand hours to cap a rex line with 50 females. That’s a hellofa gate keep

[muted cloak]

my b ☠️

what i mean is that its abused

[blissful perch]

The capped stats are abused lol

[untold ingot]

Well, with gen2, the incubator and Evo events, the time gets cut in half

[blissful perch]

No certainty those would be in ark 2 at the frequency of ark 1 if at all. And most of that only got added to the last two years or less of ark 1’s seven year life (in fairness mutation stacking came out in 2016, so let’s say 6)

[winged dome]

Gen2 exp boost is like 1.5x? That's pretty small compared to 4x/8x from the notes

[untold ingot]

Uh, what

You can't use a 4x note to mutate a capped line though 🤔

[winged dome]

Sorry, two different conversations

[untold ingot]

It's all good 🤣🤣🤣

[blissful perch]

Those last note levels don’t really do much in terms of engrams either, so they don’t need to be rushed down. But 1.5x is way better than 1x lol. And ofc eggs are still king

I think it’s insane you get experience for killing your own tames…it’s such a massive oversight

[untold ingot]

Gen2 still does have the 2x notes though

[blissful perch]

The conversation referred to the extra levels gained for getting ALL notes

[untold ingot]

Either way, for leveling past like 120ish, having a consistent source of boosted xp is better than a 4x note.

[untold ingot]

The xp notes unlock the levels, but they still have to get leveled up. Gen2 is hands down the best map to cap player level on

[blissful perch]

I simply said you couldn’t use Gen 2 notes to get those extra levels

[muted cloak]

yep like the ppl who hatch baby gigas just to kill them for dino xp

[blissful perch]

being able to breed up capped stats is already dumb imo because it just breaks balance horribly, but a baby giga giving equal exp to a wild adult is kinda...nonsense lol

[past wind]

I’m planning to look for it over the weekend, on my PC. The discord search on the phone isn't great. 😂

[blissful perch]

facts and respect

[tropic crag]

Sure you could, just get those last, right?

[mint swan]

You guys think ark 2 will be harder or easier

I think it will be much harder

[tropic crag]

I hope it's harder in the early game

[winged dome]

Harder in some areas, easier in others

[tropic crag]

That too, zone based difficulty would be nice

Well duh, yeah. But to more of an extent/extreme than just "this place cold, you no go here" or "this place has a chance to have a giga, be carefullllllll!!!11!!"

[past wind]

So what do you mean? Because I remember, back in 2015, it was way too hard the early game. At least on officials pvp.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I want that again, not today's Ark where it's too easy to start on any map because of note runs and the like, not to mention the ai that is easier to outsmart than a 2 year old lol

I want my first few hundred deaths to be to the AI, not fall damage

[past wind]

Makes sense. I bet the AI will be much improved compared to ark 1. It’s one of the features they’ve said they are reworking, right? The Aratai for example.

[tropic crag]

I hope that notes are either removed entirely and the lore is just told through the NPCs, or that the missions give you the "notes", and they are hard earned rather than just found out in the world for free

[winged dome]

Some combination would be alright, I think. Been playing Conan Exiles for the first real time and I kinda like how it's lore is presented. Lore tablets dot the landscape, usually around important structures or whatever that explain their purpose, the history, or whatever relevant info. There's a few NPCs as well, with more to share

The lore is also pretty fragmentary, they're not really trying to tell the stories of a handful of characters interacting with the world and each other throughout 6 maps, so that probably makes things easier to understand and follow

[blissful perch]

This is what I picture good breeding working like

[static sparrow]

I’m really hopeful to see some nice AI in Ark 2

Right now the Dinos will literally run in place, run away for no reason or run into rocks 😭

They are not intuitive guys

I don’t think their AI is like, utterly dreadful to the point it doesn’t work but it’d be kinda cool if they actually acted as hunters and not necessarily… well mostly broken tbf

[blissful perch]

The ai is pretty intelligent for 2015 standards

But it’s handicapped by the game’s systems. The detection radius for example that all creatures have is elliptical and based only on distance

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the AI is going to be better regardless, but I just hope it's good enough to fit what they want to do

[untold totem]

Currently playing it as well

The lore of the game is kinda small compared to the actual comic it is based on

(in b4 the Marvel ones ofc)

[regal spear]

Judging from the trailer I’m guessing our most advanced weapons will probably be simple gunpowder mechanics

I think taming is going to be a lot less linear since we’re no longer on a ||big-ass space ship hurtling through space and being artificially naturally selected||

I think they’re going to take some inspiration from Far Cry Primal since that game had potential to become a series by itself

[winged dome]

I admit, I know nothing of Conan lore, but the game at least does a decent job of getting me interested to find more lore tablets. I actually take time to listen/read them which I haven't really done in a game recently

[blissful perch]

Far cry primal taming was…very basic

I suspect ark 2 taming will be improving upon the taming methods we’ve seen in some of the lost island/Fjordur tames

Emphasis on improving…since tames like amarga are miserable if done the “intended” way by adventuring and hunting with the amarga

[regal spear]

I think KO taming could be replaced by some kind of random encounter where you find a hurt animal

[untold totem]

I low-key want a old school God of War QTE for taming big creatures tho

[lime forge]

Are you talking about the parts that you push the buttons as they pop up or you get wrecked?

[untold totem]

No not the big QTEs during boss fights, the ones against large mobs that you can ride and control for a brief of time until you stab them

[static sparrow]

I like passive tames in concept, but god in practice they’re so MISERABLE when every dino is programmed to be a killing machine. Not to mention the awful time investment it is

[static sparrow]

Adopting wild babies would also be kinda cute imo XD

[untold totem]

Passive tames would be nice if the taming progress is more in every attempt

I dislike the "5% per bite"

Gimme "20% per bite" at freaking least

[static sparrow]

I feel like 10-20% range would be a lot better, 5% gets really boring and slow even as an official player.

Maybe 8% on really high levels

[clever vortex]

That would make a lot of sense considering the idea behind KO taming seems to be that you are nursing a creature back to health. I guess with the current system we just go about it so violently that the creature gets enough brain damage to forget our role in its suffering lmao

[untold totem]

Even in boosted unofficial, one wrong move or one missed timing, it's back to zero for you

[static sparrow]

Yup, no fun

[tropic crag]

"Adopting" is an... interesting word for it

[lime forge]

Ooh. That would be pretty cool. I’m personally hoping for more methods like amargasaurus and Dinopithicus. Not all exactly the same but similar.

[tropic crag]

Amarga taming but good could actually be great, but would have to be used for very specific creatures I'd think

[clever vortex]

To be fair, if the parents are no longer breathing it technically is adoption...

[tropic crag]

True and real

[lime forge]

Ya know what else I want in Ark 2? More heads to mount on my wall. Right now it’s like bosses and the alpha Rex. Maybe I wanna mount a dodo head or a troodon. Or the alpha carno that wrecked my base.

[tropic crag]

And for them to be the proper size, not shrunk for no reason

Just stick that fucker's whole head on there

[clever vortex]

Then the struggle would go from trying to make the miniature rex head look realistic to trying to fit the full-scale rex head in your base.

[tropic crag]

That is a problem I would gladly have to deal with

[clever vortex]

If you play with mods you can get way more wall mount options with Eco's RP Decor.

[clever vortex]

I'd be upping the scale of my builds by like 60% just to fit in the cool decorations lmao

[lime forge]

That’s good to know I’ll have to check that out

[mortal kestrel]

I think when arkII comes out, Ill be doing a lot of cheeky stealth stuff in pvp

like what naked zombo did (does? idk) back in the day

but like, on a whole new level

like secretly living inside peoples bases like in rust

[royal nebula]

I haven’t been here in forever but they added a praise bob channel lmao

[fallow niche]

#ark-animated-series is the animated series channel, just has a meme name for now. This channel is for Ark2, please keep it on topic. Thanks.

[royal nebula]

I also want to be a stealthy rat player

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see more trophy mounts that aren’t heads too. Let me mount my raptor claws and saber teeth

[oak crystal]

A projector that can display on a wall or in the air images we've taken ingame. It can also rotate through a list of them. It would most likely get abused but it would be cool if we could.

[blissful perch]

Projector? In a tek less ark 2?

A sculpting system would be cool though

[oak crystal]

I think Ark 2 could have industrial stuff ingame like the grinder. Maybe not in the beginning but definitely could come into the game. Maybe in the form of blueprints found in the world that were drop during the ship crashing. The bp will have a limited amount of times the item can be constructed on that blueprint. The amount of times the bp could be found is on a timer so that no one can just sit there and farm the bps.

[prisma pike]

Ah, yes so basically what Tek is. You know, the thing people complain about.

[blissful perch]

Why? What purpose would that tier serve? It just sounds like inflating player power levels again, which is the entire issue with tek

[oak crystal]

In the cave and in the outside world there is tek.

[blissful perch]

Environmental tek and player tek aren’t the same in terms of gameplay

[oak crystal]

Define tek. If the game stays in a "stone age" type of vibe then ok. But people are competitive and will want better tier items to fight dinos and people with. Just look at the videos on Youtube. Most thumbnails have some level of higher tek shown. It's what brings in views and people buying the game.

[blissful perch]

What brings people in is engaging gameplay

That and ofc new shiny novelty content. It’s not shocking that people showcase tek a lot: it’s extremely strong, it’s endgame, and it’s “novel” to ark

[blissful perch]

Tek: the tek tier. Items that require element to craft and use and that are normally acquired via tekgrams, with exceptions for items like the tek bow

[prisma pike]

Tek pod for ark 2

[blissful perch]

People are competitive and will USE whatever the strongest thing is. Good designers don’t provide it if that thing breaks the game

Some folks love power tripping, others don’t. I tend to drop games pretty quickly when I pass the game’s power curve, but I know many folks who want to click LMB once to win

[oak crystal]

Your outlook towards the designers of Ark 2 are more positive than mine I suppose. 😁

[blissful perch]

I’m saying WC failed in a sense by letting tek be OP lol

[untold totem]

He just using admin spawned stuff

If defenses are like ATLAS then stealth is plausible

But I doubt people will do stealth anyways

[oak crystal]

In my early days of Ark someone told me to join a tribe on the legacy servers and teleport to a bed. What I found was ten Tek Replicators filled with Tek stuff. The base was also under the mesh. I didn’t know at the time what I was looking at but it looked cool. I now know it was all duplicated items.

I think what really killed it was aimbots and duplicating by cheats. If they can solve those issues for Ark 2 then everything else will be ok. Not great but ok enough to have fun without that feeling that it’s hopeless to play.

[blissful perch]

Cheating is obviously bad, but conversely ark should never have been marketed as an MMO if WC couldn’t keep the cheating down imo

I’d rather the time and effort been spent on making unofficial/small pop and SP better balanced experiences for pvpve and PvE

[oak crystal]

I like everything unofficial. PVP, PVE, kill everything but can’t destroy bases. All the mods. It’s all great.

But official has the numbers. When I feel like joining a large discord, with chat 30 players deep, raid timers, cancerous chat and comments, and just complete chaos, I’ll join official.

[blissful perch]

Official has fewer total players, but almost certainly more per server if that’s what you mean. But the point i was making is that WC may be spread too thin

And my perception of tek is that like any end game tier…I kinda prefer it not make the rest of the game collapse into being too easy. Especially since for PvP end game is considered the “standard”

The modding community also had to pick up steam. I imagine the same cycle would occur with ark 2 as the variance between official and unofficial widens over the game’s life

[past wind]

I played on the official pvp from 2015 to 2019. What made me quit and go to unnofficials (firstly pvp and finally pve) was the amount of time I had put on Ark, everyday, to keep it going. Also, the need to be part of huge tribes (even on smalltribes servers). I like to play alone or in small alliances.

To be fair, the game has cheaters and dupers of course, but it was never the main problem for the official pvp servers.

I know more people that quit because they got insided by “friends” than people that quit because of dupers.

You are right for sure, but on my part I hope Ark 2 will allow me to play official pvp on smaller tribes. That will avoid insiding and internal fights.

For pve, I thibk spams is the huge issue they have.

I think smaller tribes is a big leap forward on that matter.

[blissful perch]

I mean it would help if things were more personal and less shared

Time sink needs to be fixed across the board, but at least on unofficial you can slap a multiplier on things

[past wind]

But even on small, at least on my own experience, we had to share accounts and all… 😖

It’s not really small tribes 😂

[blissful perch]

PvE needs to have content sure, but time sinks for thousands of hours? Eh I’m not sure that’s required

If ark 2 is replayable, you don’t need 10k hours of breeding to make PvE last a long time

[past wind]

But you had to be on the alert all the time, right? That’s one of the things that kicked me out of officials.

[blissful perch]

True, there is two types of time sink. The “always be online” one and the “there’s more numbers to farm”

[past wind]

My whole point really 😂

I want to get home a day and just play other games, you know?

[lime forge]

It’s not required in Ark 1 lol

[past wind]

My tribe was really small, when the servers opened up transfers, players from other time zones started to attack every night. It became impossible not to go the mega tribe way. And from that Ark became more and more tiresome.

My hope is they change that with new features.

Defensive meanings should be OP. It needs to be hard to raid a base.

[blissful perch]

Alphas being invincible like

[oak crystal]

I gave up on official when we got ddos and couldn’t login.

[past wind]

I mean, it’s not fair to raid a base someone took 1000 hours to build in a night because they use glitches. 😂

[past wind]

Alphas will be alphas no matter what. My point is we need features to protect the betas 😂

Alphas are already invincible

[blissful perch]

Sure, but if a crappy alpha base survives easily it frees up more resources to be used on raiding other folks

It should cost exponentially more to protect and maintain a large base than a small one

[past wind]

Sure, I agree. I was talking about beta bases.

I remember on 2015 people had like 30 turrets on their bases and it was super safe. 😂

At some point everything changed and guys with a ptera could raid you.

[oak crystal]

Didn’t they have base maintenance early in the development of Ark but everyone hated it and they decided to remove it? I swear I read that somewhere.

[past wind]

No… I don’t remember any features regarding that

Maybe x-plants but I never did any other maintenance work

[blissful perch]

There’s soft maintenance required at all times on PvP. Making turret ammo, farming mats and kits, etc

[past wind]

True, but they’ve also made it too easy 7 years later. They've lost the balance. With a stryder you can farm in a matter of hours what we would get in weeks.

Maybe the special resources thing will make things a little more interesting

[blissful perch]

Gathering shouldn’t be mind numbing to do…but mutation stacking and breeding being hard timed meant other tasks could be made easier without upsetting things too much

I’d rather it be flipped though: fewer longer runs that net you more mats and breeding takes less time

[past wind]

I don’t really have suggestions to improve things, but I know we need things to be improved. 😂

Things need to be more dynamic/funnier

[blissful perch]

Those aren’t the same concept though

Dynamic = change, and fun = subjective 😂

I love me some dynamic gameplay, but a ton of folks hate big change and want things to stay the same. After all, there’s always winners and losers when an old meta is knocked down or a mechanic is forever altered

[oak crystal]

The frequency the Dinos cosume food and amount should be increased. You want 500 Dinos outside? That’s no problem but you’re gonna be really busy feeding them all.

[blissful perch]

Well that goes without saying, but people may love initial ark 2 and grow less happy with changes down the road. Lord knows that happened with ark 1

[blissful perch]

There’s performance reasons why that’s not ideal, not just gameplay

[past wind]

I think big changes will happen they change their minds and go tek at some point.

If they keep it primitive, I think we will be good.

[blissful perch]

You can have big changes without tek. Remember in 2015 ark had no breeding 🙃

[past wind]

The big difference between Ark 1 and Ark 2 is the development time and resources. I mean the staff is a lot larger now and they took years developing the early-access version.

IIRC, Ark 1: 6 months of development until release
Ark 2: ~4 years until release

[blissful perch]

Ok but there’s also a truth which is that the design of the game is ultimately arbitrary and chosen by similar people to last time

[past wind]

So I think Ark 2 will be way more feature complete than Ark 1 was in 2015

[past wind]

Sure, but you probably remember Ark 1 had daily updates with new features, items and balancing

We were aiming a moving target back then

I believe Ark 2 will be more stable. But I can be wrong

[blissful perch]

We weren’t aiming, WC was 😂

Ark 2 will be more stable, but that’s no guarantee that big changes (good or bad) are any less likely

Community feedback or the desire to change something in response to the game being out…or even in preparation for new content will probably have a major effect on the game over time

[past wind]

Agreed. My point is we won’t see daily updates. They will give us a game that’s being made for 4 years, not 6 months. You won’t see new features or creatures being added constantly.

Probably the changes will be more related to balance

Or fixes of course

[blissful perch]

Yea when I say changes I mean over the course of years, not a week

[past wind]

But even over the years, don’t you think Ark 2 2023 will look closer to ark Ark 2 2030? When compared to Ark 1 2015 and Ark 1 2022.

[blissful perch]

That’s an insanely hard question to answer

I think ark after SE launched and ark now are very similar in terms of general design. But when procedural arks and SotF and community maps and SE were all being tested as the next step for ark I think things were far less clear

I think at least for me we had always thought ark would be the island. Now the island is but one step of the journey…but we kinda knew that after SE it was possible and perhaps likely we’d see another map DLC

[past wind]

But prior to that we had The Center. Scorched was the first paid DLC.

Scorched brought to us the idea traveling between maps would be a thing again.

[blissful perch]

We didn’t know what the center meant though. It was the first new official map so we all thought the new maps would be community centric and the WC content would appear in other ways like creatures. Times were very different

[potent hull]

her what i think they may say at Extra Life they my tell us the date for ark anime tv season1 as of now there working on ark anime tv season2 they my tell us the date for season 1 of the anime or the anime my come out on the day of Extra Life and all sow tell us more a bout ark 2 ps is jut what i think my happen at extra life

[south lance]

when is extra life btw

only a couple days till november starts

is it gonna be around thanksgiving

apparently last years extralife was nov 6th?

[rough charm]

Nov 5th. More details to come next week.

[south lance]

oooo

thats like, next saturday

thank god i have some free time then

[potent hull]

to day is Friday

[south lance]

ye

8 days from now

[ripe cedar]

ark-2

[south lance]

ark 2 gets closer every day

[prisma pike]

Not if they delay it

[lime forge]

Even if they delay it, it still gets closer every day.

That’s kinda just how time works

[blissful merlin]

third person only is bad

[lime forge]

Debatable

[viral stirrup]

I think if ark 2 looks anything like Horizon ZD/FW that would be awesome

[oak crystal]

Ark 2 will be a game that converted their old Unreal 4 assets, into unreal 5 with some new features and overall gameplay. I’m excited to see what they come up with. But it’s the same excitement if Structures+ came out with a new and update to his existing mod. imo

[blissful perch]

...it literally won't do that

it looks like almost everything is redone from scratch

[oak crystal]

Someone checked and most of the assets can be converted to unreal 5. They’ll do it to save money is my thinking but I could be wrong.

[fallow niche]

They even say it's redesigned in the pins, I doubt that they're going to to convert stuff from an outdated engine and just slap it into the new one, it sounds like someone fixing a rundown house with a coat of paint.

[oak crystal]

I use to flip properties and that’s exactly what people do.

[fallow niche]

....that's my point. I don't think they're going to do that.

[oak crystal]

I’m mean sure they’ll add a new skin for the giga, but the blueprint and it’s code will remain the same. They might add a new addition to the code.

[fallow niche]

..doubt it.

[oak crystal]

tbh we don’t know. If I was good at forecasting I probably should go trade stocks. 😄

[lusty hearth]

They definitely redesign it in ARK 2, i mean look at "small" improvements they did from time to time, they learned from there mistakes and made it better which every new update, they didn t spend that much time to redesign the old stuff cause they probable decided to redesigned it for ark 2 and not for ark 1.

Just to name a few examples:

1. A Skiff is after producing directly somewhere around a Reply and it can happen that it get stuck in your base. The improved version of this mechanic is the exo mek, this one gives you an item instead of directly producing, so that you can decide where to place it and it dosn t get stuck.
2. The Shadowmane has a Natural Armore on its body instead of a Saddle, this is something which would be made for all the creatures without saddles, like wyvern, reaper and so on.
3. Jumping of from a Stryder won t give you fall damage, this is an improvement which could be given to large creatures like Giga, Bronto and so on.

So they made from time to time small improvements, they learned a lot during programming the game but it would have been to much cost to redesign the old stuff always when they made a new improvement, and beside of the fact that Real Engien 5 gives more performance possibility and a nicer look, it is decently as well the fact that they want to implement all the learned stuff in the new game. And in programming it is a fact that it is most of the time easier and faster to create something new instead of improving old code.

[oak crystal]

That’s kinda my point. A game developer is not going to rewrite the code from a completely brand new file. Not when they’ve learned from many years of debugging their existing assets. I honestly don’t really mind if I see the same things come into Ark 2. If they run 100% I’m good. If they fix aimboting and duplicating that would be fantastic. If they figure out a way to remove spam, fantastic!

They just really need to fix the glitches and hopelessness in the current game and bring it to a new engine.

[blissful perch]

That’s not your point. The point is that to avoid fixing all previous code, new code is written because it’s easier

When you do a major overhaul with an insane number of assets it’s often better to start fresh and clean so your organization and consistency is kept up to date

[oak crystal]

I guess we will see…

[ionic meteor]

Extra-life will start this time next week!

[fallow niche]

Move it to #general, thanks. Unless Extra Life has Ark 2 info, it doesn't need to be announced in this channel. It's already been posted in #announcements.

[fossil trench]

I wish ark 2 would have a mechanic where things like raptors being able to make you blind by cutting both of your eyes with their claws, loss of body parts like a arm from a rex that would last for a minute before dying of bleeding or techneaclly the rex finishing you off, pachys being able to headbutt so hard that it would break your bones ete. ete.

[split dove]

highly unlikely, they already stated they won't go for a more realistic survival aspect, it's likely gonna be similar to ark 1 with the exception off the new Ai improvements and movement changes including dinos hunting based off sight, sound and smell will probably will be the only upgrade in the survival department

[lime forge]

You wanna die from every encounter with a Dino that doesn’t go perfect?

[fossil trench]

Yes.

[lime forge]

Savage

[south lance]

please abstain from realism the real world is enough i dont want it in my digital realms

[ionic meteor]

Damn imagine an R rated ark

[south lance]

i mean theres enough colorful language used by players in certain gamemodes to justify that kinda rating xd

[fossil trench]

If ark 2 does not add my idea ima just make it myself as a mod once ark 2 comes out.

[south lance]

that sounds good 👍

[fossil trench]

If i started working on the mod in ark 1, it would take so long ark 2 would be out.

Im not a modder so it would be my first time trying to mod a game.

[south lance]

gl with that

apparently modding will be more well integrated into ark2 so it might be easier to make that same mod there

but i never modded either so my opinion holds little weight

[thorny bronze]

Is the animated series out?

[stray elm]

[fallow niche]

This is for Ark 2. See pins in #ark-animated-series.

[mellow wadi]

Me: buying: A 4090 Gpu
a i9 13900K
128GB ram
4k monitor with 1ms response time and 144hz (need 8k and 160hz or 240h but can’t afford $3-4k for just a monitor;/)
8TB storage
and also buying 13 fans
Just for Ark 2:/

[mellow wadi]

$9k for just ark 2…

[split dove]

sure, it's not like the reason ark 1 runs bad is bc it wasn't optimised very well. if they didn't care about quality they would've released ark 2 this year

[static sparrow]

Amen, don’t need no broken ankles on this game everytime I take fall damage 😔

[fallow niche]

Sounds more like just for you instead of specifically Ark 2, considering we don't even have spec requirements for Ark 2.

[split dove]

wait till he spent 9k when total cost of a new pc for ark 2 will be like 1-2k 💀

[fallow niche]

Just politely pointing out that no one needs to share pc specs "for ark2" when we have nothing to go on yet 😂

[split dove]

true

you can determine the specs yourself 😂

[south lance]

i doubt actual costs will be much more than a pc normally valued at 1k

and you can just wait for som tech sale

[mint swan]

Hopefully build cost of stuff is less

[true basin]

ark 2 rip pvp

[fallow niche]

There is pvp

[true basin]

ark 2 finna be like animal crossing

💀

[lime forge]

Logically though. Ark 2 is double Ark 1, so just double the Ark 1 required specs and you got it.

[fallow niche]

Have you read any of the pinned messages or announcements?

[lime forge]

The sad part is that’ll still be better than Ark 1 PvP

[true basin]

yall fr? everyone been saying its gonna be mostly pve

[fallow niche]

I'd really encourage you to check things before just believing rumors. All official info can be found in the pinned messages here 😁

[lime forge]

Everyone’s also been asking if they’ll be able to transfer their tames from Ark 1 into Ark 2.

[fallow niche]

Doubt it, but AFAIK we haven't had any info

New engine and all that jazz

[lime forge]

I might not even play if they allowed that.

[fallow niche]

I really don't think they'll allow transfers

[lime forge]

I don’t think they will either. I think it’s kinda ridiculous that people would even need to ask that here.

[split dove]

even if they somehow did, they should be stuck with ark 1 left click only combat and movement

[blissful perch]

after passing out asleep fighting a 177k hp skeletal bronto, I want to echo how badly I want that changed

[split dove]

wait, you've been on the server? 🪦

imagine a skeletal stego with 50k hp (100k hp due to the dmg reduction basicly)

[lime forge]

Just whistle attack and let them do all the work

[blissful perch]

I only have one combat tame at the moment 😂

[blissful perch]

I told you as much, I was on for a few hours today. Was reminding myself how hype I was for ark 2 where a rex doesn’t touch my ramp and suddenly teleports to the bottom of the sea

[split dove]

he was dragged to the mariana trenches 💀

[potent hull]

ark 2 is in side us all jk 🤣

[brisk flint]

when is this game coming out?

[lunar finch]

2023

😛

[stray elm]

4090's aren't worth it right now from what I've heard.

The cables they plug into get fried.

[stray elm]

Welcome to PC-gaming life, and a thing called 'technology advances.'