#lore-nerdz

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fallow sapphire
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there is a lot about genesis that I am questioning, that is one of them. In one of Gabriel's notes he talks about how she asked him to help her, but then in our experience she didnt even know Rockwell was on the ship while in the simulation

urban stone
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Is it explicitly stated that it’s HLN-A that Gabriel is talking to though?

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I haven’t read his notes yet

fallow sapphire
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its possible there was a original holographic guide HLN-A took the shape of, because in one of Nida's notes before she saw HLN-A she had a picture of what HLN-A looks like, and in a later note when she actually did talk to our lovely australian guide, she didn't give HLN-A the usual body we see, but a more human looking one

fallow sapphire
urban stone
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Thinking about it now, how long would our character have been in the simulation? Could it be possible that HLN-A (and us) arrived around a time where the crew wasn’t dead yet? Like how long have we been in the simulation since our arrival on the ship?

rigid palm
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Well if we are the same survivor from earth then we would have gotten there probably the same time as rockwell

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But if we arent then we wouldve been there probably since the start

fallow sapphire
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well we know HLN-A was there long before the crew was killed, but who knows when (if you play as the person from exinction) you arrive, could be around the same time as Rockwell as Perry said, or maybe it was some time before/after

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and if you are a fresh person, then again as Perry said you would have been there from the start, though I imagine not everyone has been awake in the simulation for all that time, or that time passes differently in the simulation cause the ship had been going for generations

plain plover
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Ned said in his video that HLN-A was on the ship for 8 years before she was found, but I don't think this is the case

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I think by "Cycles" they're reffering to the 48 minute increments when the ship jumps

fallow sapphire
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but how long are the cycles ingame?

plain plover
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48 minutes

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vanilla settings

fallow sapphire
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sorry not what i meant, i meant by what they see it as

plain plover
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every map but extinction and aberration follow this, aberration having seasons that extend of shorten these "Days" and extinction not having a night cycle

fallow sapphire
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but the days on ab are still the same length no matter what, just longer day time or night time

plain plover
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it's my belief that the reason extinction's day is infinite is because as a game play challenge, the devs couldn't find a way to implement a true 24 hour day night cycle

fallow sapphire
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makes sense, so they added the fact they couldnt to the lore of the map

plain plover
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so every artificial ecosystem has a 48 minute day/night cycle, and I think it's not out of reason to believe the genesis ship also followed this rule prior to our arrival.

bold dove
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Didn't the rotation of the Earth stop by the time of Extinction?

fallow sapphire
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its 48 mins for us, but that doesnt mean it is for the story. I think people on the ARK's would notice if the days only lasted 48 minutes

plain plover
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so the 3000 cycles while that would be in real time 8 years, it would only be 3 months following the average ARK day cycle

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which is why Nida doesn't make mention of the fact she is suprised that HLN-A was in the system for over half her life and no-one noticed

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it makes sense with the crew but gets a bit weird considering the ARKs, the Crew probably didn't sleep in huts on the rings and spent a lot of time inside the inner parts of the ship like where Rockwell's innards now is

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but in the ARKs there is a bit of inconsistancy like it taking days to make it to places on the island when it's totally possible to run the length of the map in 30 minutes on foot

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also the survivors didn't seemed bothered by the short day cycle, even though they had experience with the real earth one. no one mentions it

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but with the crew it makes sense that they don't care about the 48 minute days, they had never experienced a 24 hour one

fallow sapphire
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first of all, why would they add a 24 hour clock ingame if the days were only 48 mins long, and second why is arks sped up cycles different from any other games? Just because its sped up for us doesnt mean it was actually 48 mins for the people in lore

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i could accept that the genesis ship's cycles were only 48 minutes. I don't think its true, but i could believe it out of all the other maps. But the ARK's were built to simulate earth, some people most likely thought they were on earth, and if floating drops that had loot inside was part of the story then the lack of someone not mentioning the faster time would be fine, but the fact that the obelisks get mentioned but drops dont means that they werent part of the story

south osprey
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Only in aberration time passed irregularly iirc (seasons).
On extinction it likely did, but it never was dark, despite what the time showed.
I still believe time passed normally on the gen ship. In this case I don't want to bring in a gameplay feature into the lore.

gusty turret
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I still wanna know what the hell happened to the moon 👹

bold dove
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Cause if that didn't happen. Then the Earth would've been fucked.

half epoch
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So what are the alien tentacle looking things I keep seeing in ark caves, and in extinction underground and some in the background? Is it corruption nodes from the element?

ornate hull
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They put a tek forcefeild and the asteroid hit it and bounced off

half epoch
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Q innit

bold dove
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You mean the metal beams coming out of the walls of caves, that are made out of the same stuff as the obelisks?

half epoch
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It’s like tek looking stuff
Yea what you said

bold dove
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I have no fucking idea what kinky shit you've seen. But those don't look 'anything' like tentacles.

half epoch
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It’s cuz it looks like Rockwell fight dude that’s what I relate it to, his arena

bold dove
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They're support beams for the ARK's.
'That's' what a actual ARK looks like.

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Not at all. But....ight.

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It's kind of like how a building is just rebar and metal beams if you strip it off of everything.

half epoch
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So they’re like the roots of the platforms of the obelisks on the surface?

bold dove
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They're the roots of 'everything'

half epoch
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Shiii

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Roots . Of the “ark”?

bold dove
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Yes

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If you stripped a ARK to the bearminimal. Then you'd get 'those'

half epoch
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Dam so it’s unique to ark, I never seen those things in dungeons in any other game it weird tek sht

bold dove
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Well, no der.

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Have you also seen a man injecting himself with a alien virus that breaks all laws of physics and reality itself into himself and turn into a calmari monster in other games?

half epoch
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This game hot

bold dove
half epoch
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Sweet pfp btw

bold dove
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Thanks.

half epoch
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😘

gusty turret
astral cedar
silk copper
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Guys how come Rockwell didn’t piss?

gusty turret
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He probably did

bronze turtle
silk copper
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I mean cannocalily Rockwell never pissed or crapped

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Where is his excrement

bronze turtle
lyric tendon
silk copper
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He has no cannonical anus or for lack of better word “floppy pickle”

astral cedar
static ether
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🇵 🇴 🇬

urban stone
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This is getting worse by every new message

static ether
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🇸 🇦 🇩

astral cedar
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im so sorry

static ether
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^^

crude charm
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Every so often lore nerds ends up discussing rockwells anus

fallow sapphire
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seems more frequent as of late

ornate hull
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Its because we have more new people as of late

remote leaf
teal kelp
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I know about the anus but since when it started spewing shit

final jetty
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XD

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It’s definitely something that is talked about a lot

crude charm
teal kelp
bronze turtle
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Coords I must see this lol

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Pls

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Itd be funny to see

urban stone
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mods, this is relevant!

fallow sapphire
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I highly doubt that

pale mesa
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j

bronze turtle
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.

urban stone
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So, any news about the shit spewing anus?

remote leaf
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Not yet

cursive wyvern
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What is the lore of Ark: Winter Wonderland?

fallow sapphire
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The events arent canon

cursive wyvern
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why

rigid palm
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Because they arent

cursive wyvern
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I have decided they are

rigid palm
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Well you cant do that

cursive wyvern
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I did

rigid palm
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Canon is defined as a fact that is accepted by everyone to be true

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So 1 person not believing it to be true doesnt make it not true

cursive wyvern
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I just made it canon

fallow sapphire
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You can head canon them into existence, but the actual canon doesnt have them

cursive wyvern
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@hardy marsh does

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So 2 people

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So it canon

hardy marsh
fallow sapphire
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It wasnt written by the person who wrote the lore, thus is not canon

cursive wyvern
hardy marsh
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I wrote the gen 5 lore

cursive wyvern
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In the club penguin lore

fallow sapphire
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As i said you can head canon it, but its not the legit canon

cursive wyvern
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It is in club penguin

hardy marsh
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Dododex says i can tame it with a head canon and legit canon

fallow sapphire
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I highly doubt that

hardy marsh
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??? But it does

rigid palm
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Astrocetus are tameable

cursive wyvern
fallow sapphire
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With meat or extraordinary kibble

cursive wyvern
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Or head canon and normal canon

fallow sapphire
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Or really not

cursive wyvern
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How I ko then?

rigid palm
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You can tame with cannon

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Not with canon

fallow sapphire
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True, with cannon not canon

cursive wyvern
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It canon in Siberia

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In the language

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Sorry I got it confused with 6 other languages

ornate hull
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ARK: Fear Evolved better

rigid palm
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Fear evolved is the most fun but the worst for chibis

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The easter one is the best for chibis

gusty turret
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How do we know the events aren't canon 🤨

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Helena could very well make them happen in the Arks if she wished

ornate hull
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This is were you fall to your knees

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Just like all the other ones

fallow sapphire
fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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I would've joined Rockwell

fallow sapphire
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I dont think we would have wanted you… as you. You would have become one of his corrupted survivors

ornate hull
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"Go on, beg and plead...

fallow sapphire
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“I promise I won’t think any less of you”

ornate hull
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"Dont imagine I could think any less of you"

fallow sapphire
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“I mean honestly, with those beady little eyes and that slack jaw”

ornate hull
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"Your like a vole that's tunneled it's way into an abattoir"

fallow sapphire
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"And I'm afraid it's far to late for you to try... scurrying back out again"

ornate hull
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"Seems pretty sure of himself? huh"

fallow sapphire
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"Probably wise to work your way up to dealing with 'His Lordship'"

ornate hull
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epic music starts

fallow sapphire
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"I suggest starting with all these nasty tentacles"

ornate hull
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(We doin the whole thing?)

fallow sapphire
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(up to you)

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(I've nearly memorized it)

ornate hull
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(I dont remember the whole fight I've just memorized the intro)

fallow sapphire
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(eh its fine, what we did was good enough)

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speaking of which, I'm gonna be attempting beta solo tomorrow

ornate hull
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Yes

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I would do gamma but u cant FUCKING GET PAST STAR DOLPHIN

fallow sapphire
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that bad huh?

ornate hull
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Ya

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The asteroids fuck me over everytime

fallow sapphire
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yeah I'm workin my way up to alpha

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got the points down, now its just defending the astrocetus

ornate hull
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Ya that's were I get and then 10 asteroids spawn and that just kills it everytime

bold dove
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"ENOUGH. This ends now. And 'YOU,' your survival ends here."

fallow sapphire
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"Is that desperation I hear?"

ornate hull
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Is it bad I had to look up what a vole and a abattoir was

fallow sapphire
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i mean maybe, but so did i

ornate hull
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Ya that's the first time I've ever heard that XD

fallow sapphire
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yeah same

bold dove
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"Do this, and you've doomed your precious mission. Cause i ensure you, i 'will' take this ship down with me."

fallow sapphire
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"I'd better start that ring-separation sequence now... Ya know, just in case this doesn't uh... work"

hybrid ice
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Rockman

ornate hull
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Waterman

hybrid ice
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Rockwell man

rigid palm
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Tentacle man

urban stone
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Meat man

hybrid ice
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British tentacle meat man

dusty coral
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Those were 4 words I never expected to see together

urban stone
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Always expect the unexpected

lyric tendon
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I actually expected that to happen

gusty turret
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Rockwells meat obviously tastes pretty good since we can harvest plants made of it

fallow sapphire
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Technically plant species r isnt him, just one of his experiments

urban stone
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But how can you be sure they aren’t from him biologically

lyric tendon
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I mean Rockwell just pulled a Dr. Wu to made the Shadowmane

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1 part lion, 1 part fish, 1 part soul of the damned

fallow sapphire
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Beta Rockwell down, lets go

analog pawn
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i

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bobb

gusty turret
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I hate the overseer

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How could someone make a spider that big

urban stone
arctic bison
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overseer catchphrase: if it looks cool we will make it, no matter how afraid people might be

lapis cloak
lapis cloak
gusty turret
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Even not plant R he has those weird meat trees in his innards

gusty turret
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People keep pinging me and deleting it

queen crystal
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Hey anyone know why at the end of the credits for gen 1 it says Helena and Mej Yin will return? As far as I know Mei Yin isn’t mentioned in gen 2.

gusty turret
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It either means Ark 2 or the animated series @queen crystal

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I imagine Mei and Diana at least will be in Ark 2 since they were supposed to go to Arat Prime too

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Unless my little theory is true and they died on the ship without being mentioned

fallow sapphire
fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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Its happened twice now so

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And it was gone within like less than a minute both times

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Weirdchamp

hollow jackal
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rockwell kinda floatin over the ark tho

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howd he get out there????

still dagger
fallow sapphire
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hmm…

prisma storm
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where is Helena and Mei Yin? In the end credits of Genesis 1 states that Helena and Mei Yin WILL return but they aren't anywhere, i haven't beaten the game though.

fallow sapphire
fallow sapphire
prisma storm
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like in the end credits for gen 1 after you defeat Corrupted Master Controller (Rockwell) at the end of the end credits it states that Helena and Mei Yin will return.

fallow sapphire
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Yeah that was originally put in in the ab credits, hinting to their story on extinction. It just never got taken out so it stuck around till gen 1

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Helena in a sense did return but Mei’s and Helena’s story ended on extinction

prisma storm
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ohh... okay then, but that seems kinda lazy though

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just sayin

fallow sapphire
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I mean how many people actually stick through the whole credits

rain dock
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It would really be terrible if Mei yin didn't return in ark 2, I feel like the story wasn't completed lol, and if santiago is coming back

urban stone
ornate hull
queen crystal
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I wish I could but the boss fight on gen 2 kills your tames if you don’t get to them quick enough

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Dumps them in the acid

tender wasp
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I hope none of the other chars returns in Ark 2 and I really hope they keep the gen 2 Vindiago sepperated from the Abs/ext Santiago (which is the case atm). It allready felt meh they brought another totaly rewritten version of him back. Hopefully mei and diana will be spared of that fate and found their final peace on earth like original abs/ext Santiago.

fallow sapphire
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Yeah thats what i hope for, i ended my survivors story on the ship, in my story i didnt get sucked out of the ship, i stayed behind with HLN-A

fallow sapphire
rigid palm
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The ab boss fight music gives me ptsd

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I was unprepared and it didnt go well

fallow sapphire
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My first legit attempt on Rockwell was through my story character, I beat Rockwell with 10 seconds to spare on alpha and it was terrifying

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Actually thinking about it the only boss that wasnt my first time doing it when i did them with my story character was the corrupted master controller

rigid palm
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I tried to do it with a friend on a non dedi, we tried on two drakes and then both of us on one drake, either way it kept teleporting him to me because of tether and then he accidentally threw his shoulder pet off, he hopped off and died, then i died shortly after

fallow sapphire
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I think it was on my alpha run I couldn’t keep my glowtail on shoulder, so i eventually had to leave it… it somehow survived, and I brought Gecko over to gen 1 later in my play through

south osprey
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Ab boss theme is pretty creepy to me. my 4 th favorite boss theme anyway

fallow sapphire
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That was the point

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I think my favorite boss theme is the overseer… my original favorite theme was the overseer but journey’s end took that spot

south osprey
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I don't really have a favorite overall, all of them were great to me.
My favorite boss theme is Rockwell Prime's though, used to be King Titan's but oh well.

fallow sapphire
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Rockwell prime’s is pretty noice, definitely comes second… king titans was pretty good, but definitely not in my top favorites

rigid palm
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After the lizard in geico commercials

fallow sapphire
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ooo i like that... yeah i chose glowtails as my favorite glowpet, not sure why but i love them so much

rigid palm
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Glowtails and shinehorns are the best imo

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Bulbdogs are ugly and featherlights are just meh

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Glowtails and shinehorns are both super cute tho

fallow sapphire
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shinehorns are definitely my second favorite, featherlights are decent but i prefer one of the other two... and yeah bulbdogs are only ever for the first light pet

gusty turret
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A theory i don't like but is in my head is Nida, Mei, and Diana all died on the ship, just without being mentioned

fallow sapphire
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It can be a head canon, but if they had gone there would be some mention of them, maybe nothing big but something, and who knows what happened to Nida, cause I personally don’t think she programmed the ring separation, she didn’t have that kind of teknilogical experience

gusty turret
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Didn't she mention stealing the plans for it early on on her notes?

fallow sapphire
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For the rings? No, if i remember correctly the crew were talking about disconnecting the tainted ring

tender wasp
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Nida mentions that they worked on sepperating the ring and that they were able to seal it of. My guess is, that Nida died on the ship like all the others and if Mei and Diana have been on the ship, there would have been mentions of them (at least when they went there from Arat prime).

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The only way I see they could be there is same as Vindigao, like as totaly new chars like him, stored away as base copies like when they first spwaned on their Arks.. but even then they can be totaly altered in their memories like Vindiago and in the end be totaly different chars.

lyric tendon
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great, this is like Primal Clone Wars with Dinosaurs

tender wasp
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Yeah, it allreasy was a imo shitty move with Santiago. Would have been way better to simply make a new char instead of a total rewrite in favour of Diesel only to make the char more fitting to him.

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Cause that is what it fells like.

lean sage
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valguero was abberation before it got roasted

fallow sapphire
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that is a negative

thorny tangle
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I think it’s quite a good theory

fallow sapphire
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i dont think abs cave was what it is today until the overseer got taken out... especially the rad zone

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plus they also call the place a paradise, and ngl val isnt much of a paradise

tender wasp
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Abs is ABs.. it allways was it's own Ark and has nothing to do with Val.

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Even when it was still intact it was it's own Ark..

rigid palm
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Wait a second

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If ab was a normal ark, it must have had fliers, but how come theres no fliers in the broken version of ab?

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Did it just not have fliers (or come to think of it, gigas/rexes) or am i just forgetting something

tender wasp
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They might have all been on the surface and cause the surface turning into a burning hell died.

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The caves have allways been there so but flyers besides some smaller ones and bats normaly avoid caves.. at least the ones we habe in Ark.

urban stone
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Or the ark was designed without flyers to add an extra certain amount of challenge?

south osprey
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Large fliers likely went extinct on AB in a matter of minutes after the surface was roasted.
None of these large ones lived in the gigantic cave, probably.

tender wasp
gusty turret
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The 4 meat puppets have gotta represent something

bitter barn
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Good morning

gusty turret
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Either the 4 master AIs he ate, or representing he ate 4 people, being where my theory of Mei, Diana, and Nida being munched comes in

plain plover
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Nida… never had an implied death and I really think she is going to make an appearance in ARK 2, it makes a lot of sense Because you don’t just say they died when their last appearance was escaping a near death situation

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And then her addition to the cast would make for an interesting plot point, where there is not much tek around Or people building tek like the aberration villagers Becuase there are few people that have that knowledge (drophips probably went all over the planet) and also they lack the resources

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The “Tribe” would see Nida and Vin petroleum as being the people who they rely on for these advanced technologies, but Vindiago resents anything element related and has returned to the simple loin cloth life. Nida while having knowledge on some of the inner workings of the tek in the genesis ship is relatively inexperienced

bold dove
tender wasp
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If I am not totaly mistaken Rockwell mentions that he killed her.

plain plover
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Rockwell never calls out her specifically, only that he “tore the crew to pieces”

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And he states the crew I general

tender wasp
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Then I would asume she is dead.

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SO she might have gotten released as clone again (probably the girl that is with Vindiago in the Ark 2 trailer)

bitter barn
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you mean the child or the other woman that escaped the rex?

hybrid ice
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Wait how old was Nida

tender wasp
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A teen but allready some time on the ship allready again.

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she allways speaks of herself as "I am still a child."

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SO depending how long she allready was again on the ship after she got cloned it might be possible. Cause the chid in the trailer has an implant after all.

bitter barn
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hmm would be pretty interesting but would the clone have all her memories or just the ones she had kinda before all the rockwell stuff

tender wasp
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more likely the memories bevore the Rockwell stuff.

gusty turret
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It just doesn't make sense to me that she escaped

hybrid ice
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Curious to who the next ark villain will be

gusty turret
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Probably the weird cannibal orcs

tender wasp
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Vindiago's tribe also could be villians.

hybrid ice
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Interesting but probably won't happen

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I just hope its not Rockwell again or any form of him because we've fought him in 3 different maps

tender wasp
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At least would be more interessting as "We have Orks and they are the evil ones" scenario like allways.

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And I don't think there will be Rockwell at all in Ark 2

bronze turtle
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tame an ork?

tender wasp
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I don't think so. They seem to be at the same primitive state like onga bonga Vindiago and I would asume they are not dumb or like a dino that can be tamed.

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Maybe enslaed but that would feel like Conan.

bronze turtle
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maybe sometime of conquest mode with it?

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like risk the game, but ark style?

tender wasp
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They feel more like Antagonists, if WC does not pull a twist and makes Vindiago the Antagonist.

lofty tundra
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that was my idea all along

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you can notice how santiago has problem with himself, he will probably turn into mechazord but on wooden cog gears instead of element

potent bone
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I’m betting on we end fighting Rockwell using element before Ark 2 is finished

fallow sapphire
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If Rockwell returns in Ark 2 I am giving up on the game and staying with Ark 1

south osprey
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I'm starting to have a feeling there will be some war or anything like that between the humans and orcs.

lyric tendon
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yep that is my guess as well

i'm more interested in playing as an "orc"

south osprey
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If that may be the case, I hope they won't pull some "third team" where it attacks both humans and orcs forcing them to team up.

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It would be more intriguing if they find a way to coexist in peace, it could dig into the lore and might as well answer to our questions about the plot holes from gen (although I don't think filling these holes is 100% necessary...?).

fallow sapphire
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I doubt coexisting in peace is how its gonna turn out, but i do agree i don’t particularly want a 3rd force in the background

gusty turret
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What's the difference between an orc and an ork 👹

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I know there is one

quaint raven
fallow sapphire
quaint raven
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Fair

ornate hull
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"Santiago element doesn't exist anymore so I'm going to become the god of spears hahaaaa"

fallow sapphire
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heh the fool, trying to ping everyone

tame surge
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Summarize ark’s lore in 2 sentences. I want to see what you all can come up with.

fallow sapphire
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there is a giant war, the two side are the feds and ure, and they are fighting over element but they then find out it is destroying their planet so they build different plans and help each other with them, the ure doing the arks and feds doing the colony ship, and the arks were build to bring life back to earth once the element levels were lowered enough, which after generations we finally do so, bringing the arks back but also bringing the big bad guy Edmund Rockwell back aswell. He then goes to the ship, takes over and kills the crew, and you, whether someone new or the old person take him on in the simulation before escaping and killing him in the real world, getting the ship destroyed and landing on the ark 2 planet.

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you never said i couldnt use run on sentences so....

tame surge
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Well…

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You never put periods lol.

fallow sapphire
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i put 1

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fine i'll put a second

tame surge
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Thx it works I guess.

fallow sapphire
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alright I'll actually do a proper 2 sentence version now

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war breaks out over element, element corrupts planet, people create plans to deal with the problem, being the ARKs and the colony ship. The ARKs save earth after we deal with the element enough, but Rockwell escapes and goes to the colony ship where we face him again and land on the ark 2 planet after killing him.

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better?

tame surge
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Sure? Idk.

fallow sapphire
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Yeah idk either, but its shorter and still catches most of main lore

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If you want Rockwells story included you would need 3 sentences

bold dove
# tame surge Summarize ark’s lore in 2 sentences. I want to see what you all can come up with...

Funny alien metal comes down, and humans being the dumbass's we are, use it for war since war never changes, and dumbass's fight over funny alien metal and pollute the planet to the point of "Extinction" (get the pun) and so Dumbass's need to make different projects to help the Dumbass race, and they think of that one person named "ARK" in the book of a Noah, and while at it, the Dumbass race finds a way to evolve into the "SUPER!!" Dumbass race.
Dumbass race dies off from the funny alien metal pollution and the rest of the Noahs are in space.

tame surge
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Nice

left vortex
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War, Ark, Spaceship, transhuman. Element corruption go bye bye.

lyric tendon
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summary of Rockwell: "don't do drugs"

ornate hull
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While drunken British scientist tries to stop it

hybrid ice
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British tentacle meat man

ornate hull
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Silence troll man

tender wasp
#

Funny how some people allways claim it as lore that humans on earth died out which is actually not true. It is left open if earth prospers on earth or not. So it woul actually be correct to say that what happens to earth is unknown and up to the player.

ornate hull
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Am I the only one that hates how they leave alot up to the player

tender wasp
ornate hull
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I'm not saying have it all fixed its just alot of the ark story is up to the player and it just feels like they ran out of ideas

tender wasp
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I don't think they run out of ideas. They could have said the player dies at the end or that earth is fucked up, etc if they had wanted to but they did keep that open an purpos so you can decide yourself. That is how a lot of games like that work cause you play your own story.

ornate hull
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Honestly the only thing I'm mad about is I want to know what happens to earth

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It just seems like such an important detail

tender wasp
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Keeping that open is actually a smart move cause if they want to they can allways go back to earth or if wanted make a whole new game involving it.

ornate hull
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After extinction the earth turns into pix ark

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Actually this sounds stupid but maybe ark park could be what earth looks like after extinction

tender wasp
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If they say it is fucked they block that way so keeping it open still leaves some options for them. I like they kept it open, so I can go on with my story on earth and don't have to deal with Gen/Gen 2 or anything on the planet.

tender wasp
ornate hull
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Realy?

tender wasp
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One of the students on Abs has art of it in a journal entry.

ornate hull
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I didnt think it even tied into the lore

tender wasp
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It is slightly

gusty turret
hybrid ice
lyric tendon
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I think ARK Park is the best distraction from the secret project that involved Arat Prime and the Proto ARKs away from public

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If they ever attempt to make those projects a secret at all

gusty turret
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I didn't know Ark park actually had content to it

tender wasp
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A lot of people think that of Ark too. I know a lot of people that even don't know that Ark has a story XD

hybrid ice
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Lol

gusty turret
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Idk if i only watched the beta of it or what but it never seemed like it got very in depth people just stopped playing after the weird little drive through the redwoods with the Giga

lyric tendon
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basically high tech Jurassic Park

gusty turret
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Sound's lame

bronze turtle
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Ok ok hear me out

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So alll the spiders in the caves on the island is the brood of the brood mommy

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So that means they need to have a dad

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But you the survivor are the only 1 who goes in there

lyric tendon
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They can reproduce asexually

bronze turtle
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So that means

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You are the father

lyric tendon
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Also the ARK can make the creatures that arent breedable

Like titanoboas

bronze turtle
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Hmmmmm

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I mean u can already breed spiders in ark

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So it’s not too far off

lyric tendon
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They can breed each other so...

bronze turtle
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Does that mean we’re part spider?!?!?!?

lyric tendon
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Plus IRL male spiders are smaller than the females

bronze turtle
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We’re spider man

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It all makes sense now

lyric tendon
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And no we dont mate with spiders

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They dont have implants while we do so... No, your theory is flawed

bronze turtle
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I mean let’s put logic and cold hard facts we already know to the side

urban stone
#

the question is however, where do the monkes come from when fighting big monke

gusty turret
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Cool lore bro

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@lyric tendon what are your thoughts on this fan theory?

lyric tendon
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Needs to Gid Gud Scrub

fallow sapphire
#

Oh yeah good lore right there

gusty turret
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Why'd it get deleted it was better when it wasn't deleted

ornate hull
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I'm sad

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The server I've been playing on for a year goes down in November

bold dove
ornate hull
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wait how do you do that

tender wasp
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You use a transmitter/Obelisk/loot crate and upload your stuff and at the end your survivor. It will be in the cloud then and you can use it in SP or any unofficial server that allowes downloads.

hybrid ice
glacial rivet
fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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Won't be the only thing going down in November

urban stone
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did you just

chilly hornet
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idk if I said this before but I think the orc creatures from the ark 2 trailer are native to the planet that the non corrupted ring landed on

sour fog
subtle crow
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Is single player the best way to experience the lore this game has to offer? And does anyone have a canonical list of maps?

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Im playing on PC and recently got into Ark and was trying to figure out the best way to go about it

gusty turret
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Island
Scorched
Aberration
Extinction
Gen 1
Gen 2

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So the order they were released

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And singleplayer is better for lore 100%

chilly hornet
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makes me wonder if there will be eden dino variants in ark to, maybe even the ring itself being partly in the map or maybe in the view

thorn sierra
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i just realized that lore in some games go really deep

chilly hornet
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halo goes extemeley deep

thorn sierra
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like ive been with ark forever and now that the end is here i jumped over to the isle and they are pretty interesting and deep

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yea same with halo

gusty turret
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Most games are pretty bland at first glance

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I never have and never will learn destiny lore because thats one of the worst games in existence

chilly hornet
thorn sierra
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lol

south osprey
#

Don't we actually see the ring in the ark 2 trailer-? I could swear that circular thing at the end was the ring, but oh well.

fallow sapphire
#

i am wondering the same thing, though i am leaning towards it not being as you can see another ring like structure in the background

south osprey
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...2 rings? But we know what happened to the corrupted ring though.

fallow sapphire
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thats why i am saying i dont think its the ring from the colony ship, just a natural ring

hybrid ice
hybrid ice
tender wasp
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Depending on how the ring crashed and broke it could end up in a two half ring structure in the back.

gusty turret
#

If the ring "crashed" it probably would've been a large scale extinction event on the planet with the size of the ring even though it was slow as hell, there were definitely some kind of fall slowing methods on the ring to prevent it snapping or anything

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The game will probably take place in an area that is enclosed by the ring and that will act as the world border

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Wait theory time, what if the segments of the rings were made to divide and form a shield like the Arks did in orbit to prevent element meteors

urban dragon
#

I've nerver fought a boss and i played only scorched earth and the island, so i was asking to myself, without getting spoilers about anything when will i get some info about the lore in the game?

gusty turret
urban dragon
gusty turret
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The dossiers are part of Helenas notes but they're like everywhere around the canon maps you've just gotta find them all

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You could probably find a map of where to find them in order online or something

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But the notes have an order, island is first, them scorched, then Aberration, then Extinction, then Gen 1, then Gen 2

urban dragon
gusty turret
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And there's some gaps in some peoples notes that are covered by one of the others notes its kinda confusing until you've found them all

south osprey
tender wasp
tender wasp
fallow sapphire
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It would have to have a soft enough landing to keep everything on the ring alive

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I wonder if ark 2 will have that reasoning for creatures spawning instead of breeding, or if everything is finally natural… well, as natural as possible

lyric tendon
south osprey
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Keep in mind there's is a tek looking bridge in the middle of the map.
Assuming these could close and allow certain parts to separate.

lyric tendon
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i was talking about the map barrier in the north and south

south osprey
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Uh- but does it have relevance? It's just limiting us from going further.

lyric tendon
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it be hinting that the eden ring can separate further compared to being ||separated from the ship which is already hinted in the boss fight anyways||

i mean it makes sense for chunks of eden to land instead of the whole ring

fallow sapphire
#

that would make sense, disperse the creatures around the planet

tender wasp
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Yep would make sense cause. Will ensure that live will not concentrate on only one point.

gusty turret
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I think the parts are gonna form a shell like the Arks so element doesn't happen again that seems like an obvious thing for them to plan out

south osprey
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That's what I'm saying.
Also it might as well allow the landing for rings to be slower, without a wayyy too large amount of mass to land once.

gusty turret
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Except it wouldn't be able to be fulfilled since the corrupted ring went bye bye

lyric tendon
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i think it goes in stages

1: human biopods will drop
2: ring slowly descend in the planet's atmosphere
3: with enough pressure the ring itself will separate making the "seeding" manageable

like a reverse rocket launch except we make a mess on someone elses property

stuck torrent
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after all why would there be dinos in pods in the code red mission

tender wasp
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The humans are a different matter cause they only have the ones operating the ship "awake" the rest is kept in pods and the simulation.

gusty turret
lyric tendon
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partially because those dinos in pods represent data for the ship to make more in case the population goes down within the rings

south osprey
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They were probably experimented upon so they can survive on the ark 2 planet.
Idk for sure.

lyric tendon
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No one knows what the ARK 2 planet is, plus they are not "experimented" they are genetically modified in the first place (see Maewing's description from HLN-A and even the ARK Mobile bosses' notes), a little genetic tweak here and there will not harm them in any way compared to Rockwell's "Experiment G"

bold dove
lyric tendon
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Are they tho? Since the ship is constantly looking around for the most compatible planets out there

HLN-A just chooses the closest one (to the ship) during our fight with Rockwell that may not be intended by the default programming

urban stone
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How can you be certain of that though? Certain that HLN-A Choose it?

iron hound
#

Rockwell choose the planet, at the end of the fight he says something like "we are at my new domain" when the ship goes out of FTL

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Maybe the Element kinda "told" to Rockwell where to go, maybe it's the origine planet of the Element

south osprey
#

I mean, there seems two planets relatively close to each other.

iron hound
lyric tendon
#

We are possibly in a hapitable moon ||the ship exploded near a gas giant||

lyric tendon
south osprey
gusty turret
#

The ship was on auto pilot scanning for shit Rockwell has absolutely no play in it

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We have some impeccable timing

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Showing up and killing him just as we find the new world and are like less than 5 minutes away from it

bold dove
#

If you actually pay attention to Rubymcnugget when they where trying to talk about it. The skybox for Genesis 2 uses actual star consolations.

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In short, without getting too much in detail. You can round it down that the planet is set on the polar opposite side of the Milky-way galaxy from Earth.
So we do know the general location.

fallow sapphire
lyric tendon
#

huh kinda weird even though the ship is still searching

bold dove
fallow sapphire
#

Its in the antechamber, its heading to the planet

bold dove
lyric tendon
bold dove
#

If that's the case. Then i must be shoving 125 pounds worth of wood up my ass. Cause where else is it going. veggies

fallow sapphire
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A pocket dimension that exists in your pants

bold dove
#

By Mazda's logic. That's how it is.

fallow sapphire
#

Valid

urban stone
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The void that is the anus

#

Why the hell does everything always come back to the anus or ass

lofty tundra
#

I'm interested if ark2 planet will have its native dinos + ours from genesis ship

lyric tendon
lofty tundra
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Where i talk about ark2 planet

lyric tendon
#

yes

rigid grove
solid iris
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What do the survivors know before they wake up on an ark? Are they like completely mind wiped? Did they have lives before they were on the ark? How does that part work?

fallow sapphire
#

They have lives before, but their memories get wiped up to a certain point

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On the colony ship its different though, they remember their past up to their deaths

bold dove
rigid grove
empty pivot
#

I’m new and need help looking for a tribe

fallow sapphire
bold dove
left vortex
#

tomorrows the end of the voting poll. what creature will be chosen for Lost Island.

bold dove
left vortex
#

what the super ugly pterosaur shoulder mount thing

bold dove
#

Yep

left vortex
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i dont want another pterosaur, we already got one with the tropeognathus. plus a shoulder mount is not really what im looking for

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I'm hoping for Carcharadontosaurus or Ceratosaur. those two are my top picks

bold dove
#

Tough luck, sadly.
Youtubers wanted to rub off their ideas. And blinded followers voted for their votes, even though they don't actually care.

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Ugly pterosaur is in the lead. And so it'll win.

left vortex
#

isn't wildcard supposed to be the ones who pick the winner though?

bold dove
left vortex
#

they said they will pick the top 10

bold dove
left vortex
#

ill look it over real quick

#

yeah we pick who will win

#

the top 10 are

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ugly pterosaur

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giant baboon

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Ceratosaurus

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Gorganops

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Carcharadontosaurus

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Tanystropheus

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Yi Qi : pterosaur

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Suchomimus

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Ant queen

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and Deinotherium

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those are the top 10

teal kelp
#

Bro you skipped the Livyaton and the Bison

left vortex
#

oh shit thats right

#

then the last two shouldnt be there

bold dove
#

Though imma try to get her to the 10th place. 👀

left vortex
bold dove
left vortex
#

im pretty surprised Tanystropheus was high on the list.

lyric tendon
#

so basiaclly 50% theropods

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i'm more disappointed if it's another rex/spino clone

left vortex
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if suchomimus gets chosen, i have a feeling itll be really similar to baryonyx

lyric tendon
#

basically, it's a bigger bary

teal kelp
#

I'd love either the baboon or the whale

bold dove
lyric tendon
left vortex
#

i still really want Carcharadontosaur though. bigger than a rex but can maybe have the firepower to challenge a giga. plus being a keratin farm as it passively drops teeth

teal kelp
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Even tho I think I prefer the whale cuz the ocean needs a giga like creature

lyric tendon
left vortex
#

tuso sobs

teal kelp
lyric tendon
#

plus no one goes to the ocean unless ocean base and that's it

left vortex
#

unless your on Gen1

teal kelp
lyric tendon
teal kelp
#

Whatever

#

I honestly would want that Tuso eating whale

south osprey
#

Can we get more mammals and aquatic creatures.

teal kelp
#

The only whale we have is just an annoyance

left vortex
lyric tendon
south osprey
#

Shadowmanes are better for boss battles imo.

teal kelp
#

Shadowmanes destroyed the competition in terms of bossfighters

south osprey
#

they demolish Rex in that

teal kelp
#

Only thing that can maybe rival them is deinos but they are glass cannons

charred dock
#

I am new where do I go to find people ho do boss fight

lyric tendon
#

still wishing for better saber tlc

left vortex
lyric tendon
teal kelp
south osprey
#

They better don't get nerfed.

fallow sapphire
lyric tendon
left vortex
teal kelp
#

They just need their health and armor lowered and a longer stun cooldown and they would be balanced

lyric tendon
#

bosses can't be stunned

teal kelp
#

We have to count pvp in too

lyric tendon
#

health breeders go brr

fallow sapphire
#

Health aint to bad, armor i can more see

teal kelp
#

Remember they have more health than a spino and are just kitties

lyric tendon
#

i mean compared to say a good saddled rex?

south osprey
#

Big cats.

fallow sapphire
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I get that, but really they are only that good cause they have crazy good armor

teal kelp
#

Spino base hp: 700
Shadowmane: 825

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I would get em to 700 just like the spino

#

Just because I don't see the logic of this

lyric tendon
#

like i just said, health breeders will negate that "nerf" immidiately

left vortex
#

i mean Spinos to me arent always the tankiest creatures.

fallow sapphire
#

Its really the armor that would be needed to be nerfed

south osprey
#

I'm ehh to it.

teal kelp
teal kelp
south osprey
#

I just want some new creatures to control as which rival if not beat large dinos like Spinos or Rexes.

lyric tendon
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i'm kinda ify about the armor nerf because spinos and rexes will get saddles higher than shadowmane's natural armor especially with crafting skill

fallow sapphire
#

I mean i guess the balance is they arent easy tames, extremely easy to mess up

left vortex
lyric tendon
south osprey
#

pretty sure ascendant is wayyyyy above ramshackle.

lyric tendon
#

anything than primitive is what i'm sayin'

fallow sapphire
#

I assume its more effective the higher the tier of armor, so ramshackle would be affected, but ascendent would get the worst of it

south osprey
#

At least herbivores finally get some time to shine.

teal kelp
#

The only herbivores that are good are Stego and Theri, or atleast that is what I can remember

lyric tendon
#

yep, Stego and Theri

south osprey
#

Stego and Theri.

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Rest are pretty much used as punching bags.

gusty turret
#

They have a whole roar that decreases torpor and stuff....

crude charm
#

So uh do we know how long it was between gen 2 and Extinction yet?

#

Better yet, how long the ark dlcs span as a whole?

bold dove
# crude charm Better yet, how long the ark dlcs span as a whole?

They span as long as you want them to. Since The island-Extinction are directly after each other.
Genesis 1-2 are different, since they're made by a whole new writer.
There's no exact timespan for Extinction-Genesis 1. Since it's up to the player.
Either you're the same character from The Island-Extinction. Or you're a whole new survivor.

south osprey
#

I heard that the time gap between extinction and gen 2 is 10 years, but Idk if it's 100% true.

fallow sapphire
#

it depends on when helena made HLN-A

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cause HLN-A was in the simulation for 3000 cycles, or about 8 years

south osprey
#

Damn, Rockwell managed to spread extremely quickly in 8 years then.

fallow sapphire
#

oh he wasnt there for 8 years

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he got there around the time nida talked to hln-a

tender wasp
#

Which was shortly after hlna appeard on the ship and hlna was made when we „awake“ in the simulation. Also rockwell allready was on the ship when we get in the sim an hlna gets made.

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So rockwell is allready there before hlna

south osprey
#

I still don't think the difference of years is anywhere huge.

fallow sapphire
#

idk the writing for gen is strange, because hln-a wasnt just for us

tender wasp
fallow sapphire
#

its possible he was on the ship for that long, but at the same time hln-a says mei and diana beamed helena into the simulation, then she made hln-a

tender wasp
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And he must have gotten on the ship shortly after the arks came back to earth imo

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It is never said that mei and diana brought her there and it is super unlikely

fallow sapphire
#

she said "helenas friends beamed her into the simulation, then she made me"

tender wasp
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Mei and diana are long dead allready when the end of extinction happens

south osprey
#

I don't remember any mention of Diana and Mei beaming Helena into the simulation, it's likely helena got herself in there.

fallow sapphire
#

technically they arent directly mentioned, but what other friends does she have?

tender wasp
#

She never says her friends brought her to the ship

fallow sapphire
#

she says she beamed her into the simulation, which is on the ship

tender wasp
#

She never says that anywere

fallow sapphire
#

hlna discovery #15 on extinction

south osprey
#

I'll take a quick look.

tender wasp
#

Makes no sense, cause she mentions several times in the extinction notes that a lot of time has passed.

#

Then mei and diana must be centuries old..

fallow sapphire
#

everything is confusing about it, i really dont understand... cause she also says on number 14 "years ago"... that doesnt sound like centures, maybe a decade or 2 at most

south osprey
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"Once Helena's friends beamed her into the Genesis Simulation, she made me."

fallow sapphire
#

"but then she left" right after

tender wasp
#

Actually sounds like very condradicting writing which makes no sense

fallow sapphire
#

at that time marc wasnt doing the writing anymore correct? So thats probably why

tender wasp
#

Yeah he was gone allready

south osprey
#

Maybe the Gen ship was just partially active on earth then? and Diana and Mei reached it and took the little time they had left to beam Helena into the simulation.

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I don't know, it's hard to tell.

fallow sapphire
#

time is about the most confusing thing in ark

tender wasp
#

Nope I think it is simple an issue with switching the writers

south osprey
#

I still refuse to believe the theory the gen ship was build in space.

valid adder
#

Creeper, aw man...

fallow sapphire
#

more of what i meant, the times they set up are completely different

bronze turtle
#

this clears up a lot of confusion, but it doesn't necessarily solve the issue lol

valid adder
#

So we back in the mine...

bronze turtle
#

In reality it could have been a few years or several centuries like you all mentioned before

tender wasp
#

The problem is that the original writer never intended any gen/gen 2 and did write the whole thing with ext as ending in mind.

fallow sapphire
#

yep, which messed up gens part in the story

valid adder
#

Gotta pickaxe swinging from side to side side side to side...

south osprey
#

To be fair, the extinction extra ending cutscene did intend for another story-based DLC, ofc nobody expected for it to continue on a colony ship, likely.

tender wasp
#

And now there are some stuff that makes no sense or totaly makes no sense anymore

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
#

Yeah would have made more sense to stick to earth

south osprey
#

I gotta be honest though, I like the idea of a colony ship more than half wasteland, half healthy earth where humanity fights Rockwell.

tender wasp
#

But I think thay wanted a new planet so the can go onga bonga

#

I would have prefered earth

fallow sapphire
#

yeah, but a new planet means new opportunities

south osprey
#

ark 2 has all changes to clear out these plot holes though.

tender wasp
#

Would have been possible with earth too

fallow sapphire
#

also true

tender wasp
fallow sapphire
#

i like it either way

#

the only problem i have with the future is santiago

south osprey
#

I still like the gen lore part though, I can make up my own story without blowing this one up.

tender wasp
#

He is the biggest issue. They never ever should have brought him back, especially totaly rewritten. They should better have made a total new char for a new start.

fallow sapphire
#

i agree, santiago had his run on ab and extinction, even if he is a different one it doesnt feel right

tender wasp
#

Yeah and it only brings up a lot of confusion.

fallow sapphire
south osprey
#

At first I wondered as well why they brought him back (I'm excluding the whole Vin Diesel thing rn), but again, he created the Striders that kept the ship clean (well... the Eden Ring at least) . assuming bringing back old memories could prove devastating.

tender wasp
#

If they had made jorge da costa instead of Santiago as a new char who was on the ship and saw how bad element can be and then is on the planet would have been way more plaussible, less annoying and confusing.

tender wasp
south osprey
#

I'm honestly 50/50 here.

tender wasp
#

Vindiago anyways never saw the arks or was on them, never made mechs, never saw king titan, never sacrificed himself.

south osprey
#

Wasn't Santiago originally a future survivor?

tender wasp
#

Yes, but from the time bevor the arks were active

#

The abs/ext Santiago does not even know about the arks or a gen ship

south osprey
#

But he still had enough knowledge to create the meks, at this point it makes me feel like, lore-wise, they brought him back in gen 2 to use that knowledge in creating the striders and all.
I admit that quite feels rushed, but again, I'm 50/50.

tender wasp
#

I think main reason is they did that so they can promote vin diesel in the series and the game

fallow sapphire
#

honestly yeah basically

tender wasp
#

Cause lore wise it would not have mattered to add a new char that can construct stryders

crude charm
#

Yeah why is vin Santiago anyway? Have nothing against vin but I literally still cannot see him as Santiago

south osprey
#

Yeah, it feels rushed on bringing back an already existing character.
But again, I'm not upset either.

tender wasp
#

Caise they basically removed any other trade of the original Santiago like hacking, sarcasm, super high intelligence, idetic memory, worksholic, etc

crude charm
#

And like you said, a new character would have felt so much better tbh

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
south osprey
#

I can deal with Vin voicing Santiago, but look wise they went too far.

tender wasp
tender wasp
south osprey
#

Even if they explain that cloning altered his body entirely, it still feels veeeery forced.

tender wasp
#

Yes

crude charm
tender wasp
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Also he could have voiced santiago still in the series and beeing a new char in ark 2

south osprey
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Doubt they would have hired a second voice actor for the gen 2 Santiago.

tender wasp
crude charm
tender wasp
crude charm
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  • Pod literally gets shot down by some unknown force*
    Vin: "Damn, that's unfortunate ig"
tender wasp
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Yeah also he is crashing on a new planet and not real reaction.. snd the „respawned again.“ was so anticlimactic after the rockwell ending

south osprey
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The ONLY thing I hope they won't do is make gen 2 santiago remember his ab/ex self.

tender wasp
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He actually can’t have that memories

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And I hope they don’t make the Series Santiago a Vind diesel comic copy

south osprey
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Same.
But it's unlikely, they'll clearly go for the ab/ex Santiago in the series.

crude charm
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I want to show my friend the Gen 2 ending but vin popping out gives me second hand embarrassment

tender wasp
south osprey
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It wouldn't make A SINGLE sense to use the gen Santiago, duhh.

tender wasp
crude charm
south osprey
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Pause it right before VD shows up

fallow sapphire
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honestly i am glad that that part wasnt a secret alpha ending, that would be such a let down

tender wasp
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Or make the pc crash lol

fallow sapphire
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cut the power to the city right as that part begins

crude charm
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Fucking ddoso him before he shows up

tender wasp
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Or use jedi power „this is not the part of the ending you wanna see.“

crude charm
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Real talk, I am now slightly more excited for ark 2 now then when I was

tender wasp
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I am not at all lol

south osprey
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if anything, I'm more hyped about the series than ark 2

fallow sapphire
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other then vin im excited for it, starting a fresh story and a new world

crude charm
crude charm
fallow sapphire
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oh yeah im super hyped for the series

crude charm
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What scenes do you guys want to see animated?

south osprey
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THANK GOD, they didn't went for an ooga booga live action and went with series instead.

tender wasp
crude charm
fallow sapphire
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eh i dont care as much about the ingame story, i more mean a new story as i will have a new character, i let my original character's story end on gen 2

crude charm
south osprey
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I'm still hyped for ark 2, just not as hyped as I am for the seires.

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ark 2 will deliver something interesting to me.

tender wasp
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Actually the only wish I have is that Santiago is his Abs/ext self in look in personality and not vin diesel and that there will be Diana

crude charm
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It's like I was crying over the ending and then my brain just went lmao wouldn't it be funny if i decided my survivor died also?

south osprey
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I won't be able to afford the game so what do I have left?

tender wasp
fallow sapphire
crude charm
fallow sapphire
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sure but it will look epic

crude charm
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Which reminds me, Abberation would look amazing animated

tender wasp
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My original survivor continues his story on earth

fallow sapphire
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i wonder if we will get to see aberration before the nuke

south osprey
crude charm
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I have two survivor actually, one for the arks and another for genesis

south osprey
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I definitely would love to see the boss fights

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and see how Mei slaughters the Megaphiteus with a Giga.

tender wasp
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Actually the isle story and helena stuff interessted me never much lol

fallow sapphire
crude charm
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I like the idea of my genesis survivor actually being one of the crewmembers because of one line from the final mission

tender wasp
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For me the story started to become really relevant was on abs

south osprey
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aight I know what I want to see the most on the island

crude charm
south osprey
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the overseer battle, and the background towards the other arks and a wasteland earth.

fallow sapphire
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oooo that would be a good one

crude charm
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I wanna see more survivors from the pass reacting to modern stuff tbh

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Idk

fallow sapphire
crude charm
tender wasp
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It is centered on helena

crude charm
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Pain

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Anyway are the ark mobile notes canon?

tender wasp
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I don’t think so

south osprey
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Yes but she still needs to fight the overseer at some point, no?

Actually, is this the correct chat to talk about it?

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
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Lore nerds is pretty open to all topics that slightly touch lore

crude charm
tender wasp
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Lol

fallow sapphire
latent fractal
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@fallow sapphire believe the last legion fought the overseer, and helena just had to activate the terminal

fallow sapphire
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on the island yes, but what about scorched?

south osprey
fallow sapphire
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there is an overseer on every ark, but they never mention having to fight it

latent fractal
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Believe they just needed the manticore head to ascend

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thats what I read in the notes atleast

fallow sapphire
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they needed the key, but they had to go to a "tek cave" to use ut

south osprey
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which brings the question, the places where the dossiers/notes are placed has a relevance? since there is one in the Hall before fighting the Overseer.

latent fractal
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Since we have said guardian's artifact, Wali says that we can leave this station at any time. I suppose we may as well. Rockwell's eager to depart, and as much as I like Wali, I've had my fill of sand.

fallow sapphire
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dossiers and notes are 2 different things

south osprey
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should have specified both.

fallow sapphire
latent fractal
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Pretty sure other people had ascended off of SE in raia's time right?

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she just liked the sand or something not sure

fallow sapphire
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she never really says

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its possible some did, but who knows

tender wasp
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I don’t know but for me Helena is the least interessting survivor

fallow sapphire
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welp its been fun, but i gtg

south osprey
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rip.
Cya.

tender wasp
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Cya Idontsk8

south osprey
latent fractal
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I personally really like santiago, the real santiago, not vindiago

tender wasp
tender wasp
latent fractal
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Don't like the way they went with the character just to make him usable for vin, they should have ended it at ext for him in my opinion

tender wasp
south osprey
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Yea, it was quite a lazy move right there to reuse him.

latent fractal
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Like you said earlier, if they made another character for gen 2 with the same notes, ofcourse altered a bit it would have been better imo

south osprey
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Let that guy just rest in peace

tender wasp
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Gen 2 Santiago (later Vindiago) is really boring and totally different. Lost all that made the real Santiago special

latent fractal
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Yeah, guess he didn't have the same experiences santiago did on the arks.

south osprey
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Neither experience, neither his memories.

latent fractal
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we should just refer to santiago and vindiago as different characters from now on lol

tender wasp
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Yeah he did not even have hos memories from the war and that he was a cyber terrorist..

latent fractal
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@tender wasp your santiago drawing looks alot more like I imagined him, well more than vin atleast lol

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They should have just created a new character for him to play

tender wasp
tender wasp
latent fractal
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Yeah didn't have an full on image in my head or something, but one thing I did now is he was not vin lol

tender wasp
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I think that is the case for most people

gaunt flume
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did you know the trex in ark is a reference to the 76,000,000 B.C. american resident tyrannosaurus rex :0

south osprey
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Although I was surprised to see Vin being Vintiago Gen Santiago image, couldn't they just get someone else, lol.

tender wasp
south osprey
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at the ending.

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and the ark 2 trailer, ofc.

tender wasp
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Yeah I was like cringe

latent fractal
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I haven't even seen the ending yet lol, ark decided to be a jerk and hard crash me right after after the fightjerboasad

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not wanting to watch a video so gonna beat it again soon lol

south osprey
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Voice wise I'm 100% fine, but just, y'know, model him after his ab/ex look?

tender wasp
latent fractal
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Yeah it was like "trust me you don't want to see this"

tender wasp
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No vd voice for me

latent fractal
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Yeah voice is fine, not like we get any stuff on his voice in the notes, but didn't they describe him somewhere in the notes

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which didn't look anything like vin

south osprey
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I definitely didn't expect that much of a deep voice... but are we really going to duct points for that...? I'm perfectly fine with David Tennant voicing Rockwell, despite sounding a lot younger than he should be soooooo

tender wasp
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There are pics of him in the notes

latent fractal
tender wasp
south osprey
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plus, David Tennant is a genuinely good voice actor.

latent fractal
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I mean he basically made himself into a ship so making himself sound younger isn't impossible

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Also haven't read all of the gen 2 notes yet, did we get any explanations around how rockwell got into the sim?

south osprey
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I didn't manage to read them fully either.

tender wasp
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Nida mentioned something about an open port.

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So most obviously he uploaded himself

south osprey
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He got in unnoticed and then uploaded himself, like a "virus".

tender wasp
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Yep and I guess put himself into a new body he maybe had altered allready from the sim

south osprey
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His new look definitely caught me by offguard.

latent fractal
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yeah cause no way he got his old body onto the ship

south osprey
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as well as regenerating, it seems.

tender wasp
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Also makes sense why he looks so@different

south osprey
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I definitely prefer his new look over the old one, lol.

latent fractal
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yeah in my version of the lore he landed with abberation and then found a way to beam himself up. cause keep in mind the arks were also "cleaning" him from the element at the time I believe

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so no way he could survive on earth for long

south osprey
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Which is practically the only reason why he got onto the ship other than "earth too small, I'd rather have the whole universe".

latent fractal
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yeah i'm torn between he corrupted earth again then got bored and decided to take the whole universe which sounds like a really rockwell thing to do, or he landed with abb and did everything he could to save himself

tender wasp
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Yeah same reason for me. He had to go not to suffer of getting purged

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Also I allways had the impression he somehow fears helena, even he would never admit it

south osprey
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And I have to sleep.
Cya.

latent fractal
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deep inside though, he probably didn't even realise it himself.

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or in denial lol

tender wasp
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Lol

latent fractal
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as he does mention him being superior quite a few times

tender wasp
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Good night gipsy

latent fractal
tender wasp
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Yep

latent fractal
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I really like rockwells character as well, loved seeing him slowly descend into madness

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But yeah i'm gonna head off as well

tender wasp
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Sleep well. I need to sleep too.

latent fractal
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Yep 3am for me lol

tender wasp
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Same lol

lyric tendon
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oof i missed the happenings but ye i prefer the ARK saga ended in earth as well especially with Abb seeded, that would fit Rockwell Prime as well as the "last legacy of Element"

for me shipping people to another planet especially with already sentient life is a bad idea and a bad story premise since "Avatar: not the cartoon, the movie: the game" might released the same time as ARK 2 did

tender wasp
lyric tendon
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I feel the ending is a meh for me because it gave me that Undertale feeling of a "desperate villain trying to take over/destroy the world" ||and then suddenly he gets "i'm afraid" when he's beaten, it's a bit meh for me because i see him as a egomaniac with little sense of humility even in his first day on the Island

i only cried for HLN-A because i'm the only one who keeps "HLN-A all the way" mode and enjoys it despite the jumpscares when you about to go hungry/thursty or how annoyed i am crossing the middle bridge talking about "jumping to star system to star system, searching for hapitable worlds" and i'm gonna miss that because that's the closest thing we have for Helena||

i hope the animated series changed my mind for this when they make the Rockwell's Assistant filler episodes

Then again I think there is a possibility of change for plot for ARK 2 hopefully since they still have time/s knowing they might delay it anyways

tender wasp
# lyric tendon I feel the ending is a meh for me because it gave me that Undertale feeling of a...

||I doubt they will leave the story route they allready have planned and seeing who is invovled does not give me much hope to be honest.
The ending with Rockwell was ok for me and I expected him to die, so for me the affraid part only proved, that Rockwell, as egomaniac and power hungry he was in the end still was human in some parts and that a lot what he did he did cause he was affraid of death and beeing forgotten. For me more disappointing and anticlimatic was the ending with Vindiago and forcing in an old character that is totally rewritten and actually a new character instead of using a really new, fresh char.||

teal kelp
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Yeah for vinny they should have made a whole new char

gusty turret
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You cannot compare undertale to Ark

south osprey
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What are the similarities even-

Although, to be fair with you, I didn't find undertale at all interesting, other than the music.

gusty turret
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I've never watched a full playthrough of it but i think i have enough general knowledge

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With all the options in Undertale there isn't even really a definitive villain it's all in the eyes of the player

lyric tendon
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The dialog between God of Mega Death/Asriel and Rockwell Prime is eerly simillar especially on his desperation to win, i cant help it to humm "Save the World"

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If people dont get that, it's fine

late crescent
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@jagged kite this page is so you lol

stuck torrent
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is it just me or is... chat dead

teal kelp
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Atm yes it is dead

bold dove
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@violet sapphire So....you wanna talk about 'why' you though titans where originally critters? 👀

violet sapphire
bold dove
violet sapphire
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I mean look at rockwell who was another "hivemind". He stoped looking very much like what he was orginaly

bold dove
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That's cause he injected element directly into his veins. Forcing it to mutate him.
Though with him being put into the remnants of the overseers deck. He was forcefully made to become immortal by the ARK, as a replacement to the overseer.

violet sapphire
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That was a satisfying twist. (what the fuck is an overseer anyways.) But I think its likely element mutates a host for itself... I mean the titans dont bleed element? They where a real creature at some point. Or the element came from an alien biome and is imatating creatures from where its native to

bold dove
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And no, they where 'never' real creatures at one point.

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And a overseer is a Homo-Deus controlling a ARK.
Though after hundreds of thousands of years of being in orbit, they've lost all humanity. And so just became mindless machines.

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And from everything the lore is suggesting so far, it's more then likely that element is actually 'biologically' made. Possibly as a weapon from another race.

rigid palm
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Overseers arent homodeus…

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At least they have never been confirmed to be homodeus

rigid palm
south osprey
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The in-game titans form out of element when the spawn 'em.
We don't see bones, muscles or organs, or anything like that.

wary rivet
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Good chat

bold dove
rigid palm
bold dove
# rigid palm Wdym?

The writer made a Reddit post confirming different things.
The overseers 'are' homo-deus's.
And one of "The One Who Waits" notes literally fucking says it too.

gusty turret
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I don't think it's too far fetched to say the titans evolved from something, certainly not beetles but something

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The ice titan seems like it would've evolved from the Megapithicus ngl

bold dove
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The writer confirmed otherwise.

gusty turret
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Too bad for the writer because im still gonna believe otherwise

bold dove
gusty turret
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Like how i believe in that massive Rockwell dumpy sitting somewhere in space

tender wasp
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Theories are for stuff that never was confirmed and not fix in lore.

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Would be as if you say your theorie ist that the Gen 2 ship is a giant space hamster flying through space having all what is in the rings in their cheeks when it is confimed to be a space ship.

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Theorie =/= making what the writer confirmed obsolet and replace it with own stuff

gusty turret
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You must be real fun to play with

tender wasp
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No on says you can not make up your own stuff..

gusty turret
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I never said it was a theory lmao i said i was gonna believe it was anyways, aka a headcanon

tender wasp
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then you should state it as that cause yours sounded like you don't believe the writer at all

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And as stated above I changed a lot in my little Ark universe but also state it as "I changed XYZ."

dense ice
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Sorry, I'm very late to the party haha

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The reason it has no grounds is because I have not found any evidence whatsoever that the speed the time moves in-game has ever been described in the explorer notes.

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Not to say it couldn't have been the case, in which case -- I'd have been VERY off. But, that is to say that it has no evidence backing it up.

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Helena Walker and many others very likely would have reported that, since 48 minutes like you described -- let alone the actual 72 minutes for a full day night cycle, would be super alien for any survivor just waking up.

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There is the possibility that their memories could have been altered to think nothing of it, though the URE wasn't really ever known for doing that -- just the Terran Federation with Santiago. That possibility alone is not at all evidence for such a thing, either.

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So, to conclude -- unless there is something I missed, your claim about the in-game day/night cycle is unsubstantiated and has about as much evidence for it as me saying that survivors are made out of rubberbands in the ARK lore, due to the weird glitchy ragdoll anomolies that exist during gameplay. Said gameplay itself does not accurately tell or prove anything about the lore as we've seen many times. There is only a general flow of the gameplay following in the direction of the lore, but there are an incredible amount of things within the gameplay that are never explained, proven, or shown to be accurate to the Explorer Notes. Because of that, I don't think it's fair to correlate the day/night cycle's mere existence during gameplay (which likely exists for the convenience of players because it is a video-game) to the story as if it has any real connection. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

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I also encourage anyone else to join the debate 🙂

tender wasp
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I think they have a normal 24 day which is hinted by the time when you press "H" on PC and the minutes are a simply game mechanic, nothing else. I think strange day times and super short days would have been mentioned in the notes.

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Not everything in the game is connected to lore and there are some things, that are simple game mechanics.

dense ice
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Yep. If it were, I think ARK would be an insanely different game. We'd probably have an atlas food mechanic, but 10x more insane -- having to fill our nutritional requirements with vitamins and minerals.

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Whereas our survivors can just live off only berries or cooked meat

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Hell, you could live off of like.. cactus sap and you'd never die of malnutrition.

tender wasp
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Yep, cause the food the survivors eat would make them suffer of a lot of vitamines missing, etc XD and it would be hell to have a super complex food mechanic to make up for it.. or sleep.. which of our survivors does really sleep a lot ? We play for weeks straight without any sleep (the survivor).

dense ice
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Though of all game mechanics, I do think that is one which perhaps could be more easily explained by the lore -- at least given that we're genetically modified human clones. I would maybe find it more feasible for survivors to have just never mentioned that they didn't need to fulfil certain dietary requirements instead of just happening to not mention that the sun and moon moves at an insane rate through the sky.

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Yep... no sleep either.

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Well- I guess we can sleep when we log off, but that doesn't mean we have to log off think

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Just, so many game mechanics which are not necessarily connected in any way to the lore, or to the ARK universe itself and can only be explained as "gamey" functions because it is a video-game.

tender wasp
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Some stuff is simply mechanics, otherwise games would get out of hand and it would be no fun anymore. It allready was more complicated in Atlas to get all stuff you needed to have a balanced diet or you became ill pretty fast.

dense ice
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Yep

tender wasp
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Also why do we only have to poop and never need to pee? Also a simple game mechanics lol.

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Not everything needs to be explained via lore cause that would end in more complex game mechanics or in totally hilarious lore XD

dense ice
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hahaha idk man

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rockwell note 42 talks about how survivors sweats 10x the rate that they did from when he was alive

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they just sweat it all out evil_g

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Sorry, I'm bad at sarcasm.

tender wasp
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XDD

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I only find it funny sometimes that some need to find a explanation in lore for everything, which in itself is allready hilarious for me XD

teal kelp
lyric tendon
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but but buuuuutt what if our GMO dinos and even own bodies already supplemented the Survivor's supplemental needs?

i mean what else is the reason why we can eat a super-sized, element-infused sushi cat, or noodle dragon, or literal xenomorph, or even oursleves without the side effects of self-cannibalism?

tender wasp
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game mechanic

gusty turret
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Cannibalism should be an effect in Ark

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Bobs would be running around with Kuru

quasi nymph
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Hold on... I'm not actually a lore nerd, so... if Santiago died a long time ago and there's no respawning anymore... how is the guy in ARK 2 still Santiago? And because Slowmode is enabled, is there a chronological order to the explorer notes as a whole, and if so, where can I find the list/order?

onyx sky
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The storyline has lots of plot holes. Wouldn’t read too much into it

fallow sapphire
bold dove
# quasi nymph Hold on... I'm not actually a lore nerd, so... if Santiago died a long time ago ...

A: Respawning wasn't a thing when he died, yes. But his DNA was generally stored. Like everyone else's.
B: No, not really. They're all happening relatively the same time on The Island. With some exceptions.
Raia and John are set 'YEARS' before Rockwell and Helena where sent to Scorched.
Diana was on Aberration before it was fucked up. Since 'she' and Santiago where the ones to fuck it up.
Mei-Yin would be next after finding the Tek-Tribe. Which consisted of Santiago and Diana post-Aberration's destruction.
Helena and Rockwell appeared afterwards. Then the Grad-Students appeared nearly our time. Years after Helena and the gang left.

plain plover
# dense ice I also encourage anyone else to join the debate 🙂

My claim isn't really based on grounds explained within the notes, rather I was pointing out the lack of them. While the activities described in the explorer notes would be something someone would do in a normal 24 hour day, there are also strange inconsistencies that bring into question just how long the days are. a good example of these are the map sizes according to the notes. on multiple occasions it's stated that it will take days to traverse distances that have corresponding locations on the map, but on the map these locations are only at most 30 minutes apart of foot. if you question how the days are much longer then they are in game in the notes, then you would also have to agree with the idea that the maps are much MUCH larger in the notes then in the game. Writing some things off as game mechanics is ok but certain things I don't think pays respect to one of my favorite things about ARK's lore, the attempts to explain game play mechanics to have a sense of illusion that ARK's universe takes place in the real universe.

plain plover
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because there is contradicting evidence, we can't really come to a conclusion, the true length of ARK's days has always been a debate topic. but not for long, unlike an explanation to the two biggest questions raised by Genesis, we may actually get an answer in future installments to the question. The Animated series is most likely going to solve this , and more. ARK 2, because this isn't Earth they don't have to stop the planet's motion to account for the day/night cycle not being 24 real hours long. but who knows, months ago I stated that while from a lore standpoint there shouldn't be any element on the Genesis ship but there would still be for gameplay purposes and what do you know I predicted the largest plothole in the entire series. maybe they'll actually make the days 24 hours on standard settings.

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I do still standby my theory that the Genesis's day cycle had always been as long as it had been in-game. Night time on Gen 2 is only brought up in Gabriel's notes and when it is, they're stated to be resting, but not that tired.

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I don't think HLN-A was in the Genesis's systems for half of Nida's life. And I certainly don't think Rockwell was in the systems destroying stuff for that time without being found.

ornate hull
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Sorry I haven't been here for a week

plain plover
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neither have I

pure cipher
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Is the time gap between the survivors (Helena, Rockwell, etc.) writing explorer notes and us reading them known?

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Because the time from when Raia wrote their first explorer note on SE and the time when Helena and Rockwell arrived was a while, years definitely, perhaps decades.

fallow sapphire
pure cipher
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Well if you think of it this way, if Homo Deus either don’t age or their appearance doesn’t change as they grow older Helena still looked as if they weren’t a homo deus for a long time

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But the Extinction note #15 makes more sense explaining what I said

plain plover
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200 year minimum according to Soskin, but HLN-A said something that wasn't quite fitting with the proposed time gap

fallow sapphire
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yeah all around time wasnt placed right thanks to the two different writers

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i personally feel the long gap is better, but technically it isn't actually stated in the game unlike HLN-A's note

plain plover
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I feel like rusting decaying ruins is kind of stating a large time gap

fallow sapphire
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same

pure cipher
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A few years would make the most sense to me as in how old Helena looked, but with decaying, abandoned, broken ruins that look extremely old just doesn’t make sense

plain plover
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Helena now is an undying god that has no physical form and how she chose to appear to us was a being of pure data and light that had her head

tender wasp
# plain plover This, is actually not quite the case. the URE was responsible for creating the c...

They only state that the URE actually have the plan of the Arks and the plan to upload people (Homo Deus) to survive the element polution. It s never stated that thae made big alternations to memories, etc onl that they stored away people from different time periods. It is not even stated if they looked for smart people or common people. I more had the impression they stored away a big varity of people to have a pool of a lot of different individuals.

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Comming to the day. I still think it is 24h in lore and why it took days for them to go from one end to another ? Try to go on foot from one end to the map to another, then you also will need several ingame days. Not everything needs to be explained in the lore and to try to explain the only 72 minutes of day,which is a game mechanic so you don't have to wait RL hours for daychange.

plain plover
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I'm referring to the time they were constructing the ARKs and Genesis ship, it's ok to assume they didn't need help designing the arks but the Federation did just yet trust Trans-humans to do all their homework. they as in the ending of Santiago's notes it was clear what the intentions of the Trans-Humans working on the Genesis project were, they wanted to finish it by any means necessary.

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yes there is no reason to shorten the day significantly unless it's a game mechanic, but still there are points in the lore where the idea would make sense to have existed with the people in ARK's universe and when it wouldn't

tender wasp
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Also cause of memory alternation. We know the Feds did, we don't know with the URE but it is more likely the URE did not really do it (they still might) but it feeld more they kept people more true to the original cause they wanted to sort out the best survivors and on the ship they wanted people to fit in, not to act up or causing any trouble, which is why Santiago who was a super smart hacker, Cyber terrorist and even a traitor in his original life and not a very easy to handle person.. so they changed his memories and even personality to make him fit in and easy to use for helping on the ship.

ember solar
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In one gen 1 note HLNA talks about survivors being able to freely edit their mind

plain plover
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wait, is that the impression of the two factions you got?
From my point of view, The URE was made up of transhumans, that in their plight to save Humanity, lost their own. the Federation was made up of Humans that wanted to survive the element scourge, but were distasteful of the idea of transhumanism. they sought to preserve natural life.

tender wasp
plain plover
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the URE was solely responsible for the cloning technology (Diana note) and the Transhumans were shown to not care about the idea of tampering with Human minds and bodies

tender wasp
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Nah I more think the URE who mainly made the arks wanted simply the original minds to sort out the best survivors and there still were a lot of humans in the URE. It allways feelt for me that Homo Deus was a minority.

plain plover
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yes, there were still many humans in the URE, but it founded or became the principal of Transhumanism

bold dove
tender wasp
plain plover
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in Santiago's notes he states that the Homo Deus's ARK satalite plan accounted for everything except themselves.

tender wasp
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But it is also stated that Homo Deus are actually overseers but there also might be a bunch of them that simply did Homo Deus things and then vanished.

plain plover
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The Homo Deus knew that they would buckle under the weight of infinite knowledge. They probably either saw it as necessary to preserve life and still the moral question of course of if becoming Homo deus or what they represent is the true meaning of life and stuff. whatever the case there were enough people that decided to become them to oversee all the arks except that one who got fired for not paying attention to their survivors

tender wasp
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Yeah makes sense or at least they knew that becoming a Homo Deus might have risks no one knows of yet and yeah there might be a lot of people that did not wanna go that path.

bold dove
plain plover
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they got VERY fired

bold dove
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I have yet read the Genesis 2 notes. So this sounds interesting.

tender wasp
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Trans Human or Homo Deus that got fired ?

plain plover
bold dove
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Oh. 👀

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Yeah, 'that' one.
They surely got fired.
You could say their employee contract was "bombed" out of their workplace after what they did.👀

tender wasp
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lol

agile loom
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it probably takes days for survivors in-lore to go anywhere cuz they walk like normal humans, instead of putting like 300 points into speed and stam and sprinting everywhere

bold dove
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Also, the ARK's are probably just bigger then they appear in-game.
Hard to make a world big when it has technical limitations.

plain plover
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That’s what I specifically addressed and I don’t think it’s really fair to make that claim, it was a deliberate choice to state the time it took to traverse areas as days, even though the authors knew the technical (and human) limitations of the map and how big it would actually be. In some cases the length of time it takes to traverse places is used a split device to allow spacious time for events to happen, but sometimes it isn’t and they for some reason took several days to walk from the desert dome to the control center

dapper cloud
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are all the maps connected in some way?