lore-nerdz

[mental basin]

LORE

[echo barn]

@mental basin what do you mean

[mental basin]

This is the lore chat

Not for ingame questions

#bobs-with-probs <<<

[eager shard]

Isn't she ascended by the time of Genesis? Maybe this is why

[north bear]

She becomes an humodeus 1000 years before that

[north bear]

HLNA was created by Helena but isn’t Helena

[eager shard]

I see, thanks

[eager shard]

I am confused so she ascended 1000 years before the great exodus

I will have to recap the story

[north bear]

This is the timeline

@eager shard

[hollow creek]

year 0 as the year we play island
-1k before - Helena story happens
bit after mei goes to LC and becomes lost queen
-0 we play island till extinction, ab crashes, Rockwell messes with lost king
sometime after he goes to genesis, Helena sends HLNA into the system to stop him both are undetected for a while
-37 (not exact) genesis happens
-1k - we play LC

[lean fog]

hope they change time of genesis to closer match LC otherwise timeline is even more worthless

[hollow creek]

honestly they could have made genesis and LC we play close together and not 1k years off

there's literalt nothing stopping it

they just make a real weird ass decision and now santiago is 1k years old cause family

[lean fog]

like i keep saying if they make genesis be a few months at at least a few years before LC would work out

[hollow creek]

There was nothing stopping them, they just shoot themselves in the foot, cause

[narrow lark]

How engrams work lorewise i mean survivor learn complex machine out of nothing?

[hard sun]

I don't think there's much of an explanation about that other than your implant allowing you to have knowledge of certain things and being able to understand other people perfectly, even if their primary language is different from yours.

[lean fog]

yeah i think the knowledge and skill is just put into brain/dna or something so you just know

tbh fabricator prob does alot of it's work but other stuff you prob actually make over a period of hours or days or so logically

[bold dove]

Engrams is an IRL theory of a possible neuron/cell dedicated to storing memories.
So, while not official canon. One can interpret that The Survivor has memories of other past survivors, with our ability to easily learn new stuff.
(I.E, there should be no way we could make the exact same Mek Kazuma was issued without having prior knowledge of how it looked)

[velvet field]

guys we know that moon is broken we know that from abb and lost colony loading screen but we dont know anything about how that happend and etc what if there will be future dlcs explaining that or new map where we go to moon (not likley)

[bold dove]

There likely isn't, since LC is seemingly the last content in ASA that's set on Earth.

[velvet field]

what isnt

[bold dove]

That there'll be an expansion explaining stuff about the moon, or us going there.

[velvet field]

idk i think it will be hard for wc to explain how we got there or how dinos will be there

[bold dove]

"what if there will be future dlcs explaining that or new map where we go to moon (not likley)"
Aye, you're the one that suggested it. 🤷

[obsidian ore]

Instead of dino we tame rocks xd

[velvet field]

thats why i said not likley cuz it will be hard to make

[velvet field]

or they will have to make lots of dinos that only live in space and we wont have old ones

[bold dove]

They already pulled out that alien dolphins and whales exist in space. (somehow, even though it sustains no ecosystem)
So they could pull more out of their asses that there's just aliens on the moon.
Or genetically modified dinosaurs that are able to survive in space.

The issue isn't really of logic.
More so that there'd be no reason for them to explore the moon as an expansion

[velvet field]

yes but how they will make flora ecosystem on moon

its too complicated

[bold dove]

Space flora

[bold dove]

Element bullshit, as they've always used as an excuse

You're thinking harder then Wildcard does with their narratives

[velvet field]

yeah but wildcard wont do it hardway

could be something like biome balls on ext

but on moon

and space thingys are in beetween them

[lean fog]

ngl i don't really see moon bases being a thing given the fact that there's no atmo to either break up or weaken asteroids/meteors and feel like shields can only handle so much before they break and boom wiped out

[fluid yarrow]

I've always thought about that but now it's more obvious with what the Lost King says in the LC boss fight but are we the bad guys ?

[lyric tendon]

If you read his notes, he is just as mentally insane as rockwell, except he end up being a LARPer than a warcrime

[compact zenith]

try not to be insane after living so long

[lyric tendon]

The thing is Darius is already insane when he decided to use human clones as livestock instead of cloning literal animals, they haven't reached the "vampire stage" in their life yet

[compact zenith]

daym, ok

btw, do you have LC notes from quests?

[fluid yarrow]

I mean ok lost king is evil but his people literally did nothing and we genocide them

Just so Helena can get the codex so she can replace the indigenous people of Arat by humans

[lyric tendon]

to be frank, he killed the people who protested his idea of "turning them into vampires" as well WHILE in the middle of getting harassed by Titans

Lost Colony is just Grim Derp

[north bear]

Since when we let indigenous people leave in peace

[lean fog]

uh bro they're mindless thralls

for most part anyway

[lean fog]

they're basically enslaved and are fully sapient etc inside knowing he's feeding on them etc

that stuff which he can remove btw

he can remove the whole self aware ish thing but nope he wants them to know they getting fed/enslaved

so no his "my people " is more "my rule being undermined"

[mental basin]

They aren't, by any means, mindless

They're like Rockwell, in that they have their own free will, underlined by an Element Hivemind

That being the Lost King's

Which is why they are capable of defecting to our side during the events of Lost Colony

Also, they call Gloons by their funnier name, much to the Lost King's chagrin, which they couldn't do if they were truly under full control

[lean fog]

point still stands darius is a prick and just evil sob

[lyric tendon]

Well more of a "misguided prick" with "dumb decisions"

Him being "evil" is just him leaning to the Vampire LARP

[compact zenith]

also in veilwyn dossier he allowed them for closest thralls so there will be not only intimidation to control them

[bold dove]

He's still a horrible, evil person that got what he deserved.

Falling off his bat, and somehow dying from a 10 foot drop.

[lean fog]

i mean small falls can def be useful but woulcn't be shocked if he got slammed into throne or something and ruptured his organs

[bold dove]

He was already bloody before hand.

[lean fog]

i mean you're attacking the creature he's on realisticly you'd think someone would get a lucky hit in on him

[bold dove]

It's just a case of "Wildcard didn't think it through".
-Boss fight focuses on us killing his bat.
-Bat dies, and so does he somehow.

[bold dove]

A lethal hit in Tek armor?

They demonstrated how durable Tek amor is during his and Mei-Yin's fight.

[lean fog]

i mean your character would prob go in full gear which i'd assume is tek

[bold dove]

Likely on a creature

[lean fog]

plus maybe a dino got a good hit

[bold dove]

Think you're giving Wildcard too much credit.

[fluid yarrow]

I don't think it really dangerous for him to have his organs ruptured since when he fighted Mei she opened his belly and like his organs exited his body but after he was fine

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, there's that too

Fucker literally had his guts spilling out, and was just fine

[lean fog]

wasn't there something about him not fully healed since he can't use codex to regenerate stuff?

[fluid yarrow]

Well he didn't healed his wings

[lean fog]

ngl feel like he maybe woulda got hurt dealing with the rebellions since feel like maybe there was still some that ended after she got there but before we did

still say the whole "ok i'll let myslf be corrupted cause helena has some big brain plan going on" and other stuff meh

[bold dove]

His wings are part of Mei-Yin.

Seems more like he gifted it to her, after the fight.

Same with the scythes.

[lean fog]

prob was too hurt to fight well for awhile?

[bold dove]

Or that Mei is just the better fighter, so there was no need for him to fight anymore.

[north bear]

That most likely the option (remember that she beats Rockwell which had killed a tribe with full tek armor)

[lean fog]

pretty sure rockwell prob ambushed em with out helmets on using some experiment thing

[bold dove]

This was because he was already rapidly mutated.

He was a lesser version of what we see in-game, which was enough to destroy an entire small Tek community. (note: half of them where gone to go on an expedition with Helena and Santiago.)

[lean fog]

he still prob got them un prepped and not fully equipped which would be brutal

[bold dove]

Some initially, sure.
But it'd be pretty unrealistic to imagine "some" didn't get their shit together after the initial ambush, and shot his ass.
They're trained futuristic soldiers, and probably have more discipline from the time period they came from. (more war torn "always on edge" type of world)

[lean fog]

they prob did but wasn't enough and he prob slinked off like a rat he was

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, no. I doubt they did much in damaging him.
LC shows that Mei-Yin uses a Tek sword, but I don't recall what she actually uses in the note to "kill" Rockwell.

[lean fog]

oh no expect they did damage but feel like was barely enough to chase him off while taking massive losses

[astral mesa]

What is the significance of manticore in the ARK lore?

[lean fog]

just one of the bosses to oversee the se ark 🤷

[north bear]

It is an amalgamation of the three scorched gardien (probably an overseer experiment)

I think

[main steppe]

It’s not

There’s no lore significance to it being manticore

[hollow creek]

Exactly, just is a manticore

[north bear]

Why is there no overseer or other gardian?

[hollow creek]

Simply is that way, don't think we are ever explained why it differs from island

[north bear]

It’s been a bit since I watched needy the noodle videos

[hollow creek]

And we basically only have 2 instances of a ARK in cannon working mostly as intended

And their bosses couldn't be more different

Hard to say which one is the outlier

[lyric tendon]

SE's remastering is a wasted opportunity to add dino-less puzzle dungeons as the overseer arena

[mental basin]

Not all ARKs are equal

Scorched Earth has an Overseer

And a Tek Cave

The fact that we don't get to access either in-game is an inconsistency

[main steppe]

I feel like that’s moreso for player benefit, so we don’t have to go through the hell that is a tek cave and overseer fight

But they really should have written something in about it either having a tek cave different to the island, or just not mentioned one at all

[mental basin]

The Tek Cave is mentioned in the Notes

[lean fog]

for all we know the manticore was the weakest of scorched's 3 bosses and that the scorched overseer would tranform into each of them but we'll likely never know

[main steppe]

Maybe when they were human, a manticore was the overseer’s fursona, so they used it for the ark

[bold dove]

The realistic answer, is that Wildcard was too lazy and likely on a time crunch to bother implementing a Tek Cave to Scorched.
So just because people where complaining about a lack of an ascension on the map, since The Island got one, they finally gave it a partial half ass one near the end of ASE's lifespan.

[wide pelican]

Can someone please tell me how to get to understand the lore without having to do a note run on all the canon maps? Like a video or something, cuz i dont think ill complete the explorer notes any soon

[hazy dragon]

I haven’t watched it in a long time, but NeddyTheNoodle made a pretty good video covering it all from what I remember

[lean fog]

Question is if manticore was 1/3 of the bosses what were the other 2? wanna Say giant Deatworm and other a suped up rock golem

[bold dove]

Helena and Rockwell canonically just needed the key from the Manticore to go to the ARK's Tek Cave.

So as of current canon, the Scorched ARK has only one guardian.

[lean fog]

i know but it prob had more until the overseer said "screw it if creatures won't work i'll just drag their cities into the dunes"

[bold dove]

Nothing suggests that.

[lean fog]

we'll never know tbh

[glossy sandal]

If we base ourselves on the trophies (eg : The Island, 3 Guardians' trophies to fight the The Island Overseer) then the Manticore is the single Guardian (and Overseer) in Scorched Earth since there only are apex drops and artifacts required to summon it

The Rock Golem is very unlikely to be a boss. The Alpha Wyvern is much more plausible as the base Wyvern has its Alpha form and could be considered in a way "mini-boss" or wandering boss, as I like to call them. And also you get a loot table + a trophy from killing it

[glossy sandal]

Also no proofs that Scorched has 3 Guardians. In fact I don't think a single note (Bob's Tall Tales and cinematics excluded) ever mentioned the Manticore, let alone a proper Guardian (Wali al-Aswad likely wasn't one)

[hollow creek]

Again we have 2 examples of the bosses of an ARK in cannon, and they couldn't be more different in their set up, 4 vs 1

[fluid yarrow]

Rockwell mentioned the manticore

[lyric tendon]

Literally nothing suggested that

In both environmental design and the notes

Only the manticore is the only boss mentioned in the notes and that is it and that is how it is

And the funny thing is neither Helena nor Rockwell go to the manticore arena to fight it, they just straight up ascend since Timur already "killed" the manticore and don't bother with the Tek Cave

[glossy sandal]

I've not seen the word "Manticore" in any explorer note, neither Rockwell's record (source : https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Explorer_Notes , checked through quite all notes)
However it does mention that Scorched Earth has in fact, a Guardian (a single one, Helena Note #28 (Scorched Earth)) and also that Rockwell says that Timur (a human) jumped off from a flying Wyvern to grab the Guardian's horns (which could be the Manticore), on Rockwell's Record #22 (Scorched Earth)

[fluid yarrow]

Yeah he didn't mention the name directly but I just guessed he was talking about the manticore because it's the only known scorched boss

[glossy sandal]

I think Rockwell still went to the arena with Timur but likely avoided to fight, and only grabbed the guardian drop which contained raw edmundium

[glossy sandal]

I've searched for terms like "myth, tail, mant" glad I finally found it

[fluid yarrow]

Also why does killing bosses gives element to survivors if they don't learn the tekgrams ?

[glossy sandal]

The thing is, when you slay a Guardian, it gives you Tekgrams

[lyric tendon]

✨gameplay ✨

[fluid yarrow]

I mean in the island and scorched they never craft a Tek replicator

[lyric tendon]

There is no lore reason, it's just gameplay

Tekgrams is just a gameplay thing

[glossy sandal]

Unless you slained several Guardians before and already learnt quite a few Tekgrams because yes if you kill like Megapithecus on The Island then transfer to Aberration and kill Rockwell, you wouldn't learn the Tek gauntlet Tekgram since it already was learnt

[fluid yarrow]

If tekgrams are just a gameplay thing why does killing bosses gives element in lore ?

Like what do they do with that element

[glossy sandal]

Rockwell never did? I don't think he ever made a Tek thing to be honest, as far as I know only Diana make Tek stuff. She made a Tek armour on Aberration and even Rockwell was a witness of it

[fluid yarrow]

My question is why the ark gives element to survivors if they can't do anything with it

[glossy sandal]

I'm just getting started into ARK lore but edmundium is likely fuel rather than a construction material. Although Edmund Rockwell described it as "metallic", it had very frequent pulsations, which is physically unsustainable for a solid object made out of eventual edmundium. So edmundium does have an utility. In the lore they already had all this Tek stuff and knew it (Diana is a URE fighter, she used the Tek tier daily) so I honestly don't know and also why edmundium is a Guardian drop on both game and lore (also naturally manifests in all ARKs biospheres believe it or not but only harvestable on maps Aberration and past it)

In the game, edmundium is a required crafting recipe but this is probably not lore accurate and only force players to pretty much grind for it (Tek replicator might be excusable since it literally is floating and could use eventually a bit of edmundium + as a catalyser for crafting) and there is still a real use for survivors to give them access to higher technology

But Rockwell never made any sort of object using edmundium and only mutated creatures with this (on Aberration. The Scorched raw edmundium idk where it went honestly)

[lyric tendon]

Because tekgrams were NEVER mentioned in the notes

Rockwell managed to get a sample of Element in the Island before him ascending

[lyric tendon]

The goal for the ARKs is to have the most adaptable human possible

They never "hand hold" their survivors, there is no respawn nor supply drops at the time of the notes where made

[glossy sandal]

Wait no supply drops too?

[hollow creek]

They are never mentioned

[lyric tendon]

Nope, supply drops where never mentioned

Which is kinda weird, Helena or Rockwell would be over the moon if they do see strange lights appear in the sky

Again WC is baaaad at consistant storytelling

[glossy sandal]

But The Island's Overseer dropping the crates is lore canon or not?

[glossy sandal]

Never agreed with a stranger so much in my life

[lyric tendon]

The notes are the lore itself, so no

Because the existence of supply drops will break the lore's narrative of "ARKs in the notes are Hardcore" and Rockwell would have gotten his hands on element way earlier, no Nerva or Iron Brotherhood needed

[glossy sandal]

Supply drops' loot do not contain a single pint of edmundium

[lyric tendon]

The drops themselves is made of one

[glossy sandal]

That's obvious even the Arks are made out of edmundium

[lyric tendon]

Especially with ASA version having "bio-metal" like structure in the "legs"

[glossy sandal]

But the Arks are made so that survivors came in contact with edmundium as little as possible (that is, until Aberration. Idek about this Ark tbh)

[glossy sandal]

Tek dinos?

[lyric tendon]

Even the obelisk itself is made of it, that is mentioned in the note

[lyric tendon]

Nope, its made to promote Extinction DLC

[glossy sandal]

My ahh really thought they were canon 😭🙏🏻

[lyric tendon]

Reading the notes is easy it has all your answers

[glossy sandal]

I mean Enforcer is 100%, Defense Unit 200%, but not Tek variants

[glossy sandal]

Fair

[lyric tendon]

Eehhh debatable, they would've been mentioned by Santiago or Diana if that was the case

The dossier is just a "manufacturing sheet"

(Mega)Mek is the only Tek mount that is mentioned in the notes

[glossy sandal]

Enforcer is mentioned indirectly (mentioned through his teleportation property) by Santiago's Log #13 (Extinction)

Defense Unit is debatable, but multiple notes mention "drones" but the term drone is mostly nowadays to designate UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicules), however they could potentially designate ground vehicules
By typing this, I also learnt a fun fact, that in my native language (French) we call "drones" any type of robotic vehicules pretty much, air, land or sea unmanned vehicules. I did not know that!
On Extinction, there aren't Attack Drones and "combat drones" on Diana's Log #19 and "security drones" on Diana's Log #4 could not refer to Scouts since they cannot attack

[lyric tendon]

I mean security means alerting as well

[lean fog]

reminds me of that rishi station episode from clone wars

long as signal sent nonstop then it's providing security and alerting is security yeah

[sturdy elk]

Do new in game dossier no longer have blood splatter on some of them?

[bold dove]

Not all of them had blood splatter, anyway

[sturdy elk]

Ik but im saying its been a long time since I’ve seen any have it

[lyric tendon]

The "blood splatter" is from fear evolved stuff, they are not in game as far as i recall

[night quartz]

Did King Titan ever have a Queen Titan

[lean fog]

think the King part was just what survivors gave it as a ruler of titans kinda title

[bold dove]

The only queen it has, is rage.

[lean fog]

#general or so place to ask for that not here

[compact zenith]

Bro literally spammed it in each channel

[snow forge]

Yeah she was a 4’11 goth mommy latina

[uneven iris]

I have a question guys, how does lost colony fit in the story? Because like, im pretty sure story wise it happens before genesis because its when we beat the lost king that we get transferred to the ship where genesis happens, but if then, how on earth are the remains of the ship in lost colony? That happens post genesis 2, or are those remains not from the ship?
How does lost colony fit between extinction and genesis?

[hollow creek]

LC that we play is after genesis ending

the rockwell notes and the lost king convo with him are before genesis and after extinction

[uneven iris]

This is so confusing

[hollow creek]

year 0 as the year we play island

-1k before - Helena story happens
bit after mei goes to LC and becomes lost queen

-0 we play island till extinction, ab crashes, Rockwell messes with lost king
sometime after he goes to genesis, Helena sends HLNA into the system to stop him both are undetected for a while

-37 (not exact) genesis happens

-1k - we play LC

[uneven iris]

Ok so after we go through genesis and kill rockwell we get sent to lost colony?

Basically
Rockwell go to lost colony, get sent to to genesis by lost king, we get sent to genesis, beat rockwell, then we go beat lost king, after that, we go ark 2?

[hollow creek]

no, we do island, we do SE, we do Ab, we do Ex, Ab crashes on earth, Rockwell and Lost King fight for a bit, Losk King send Rockwell to genesis ship to get rid of him, Helanadeus makes HLNA send it to genesis, we do genesis, we kill Rockwell prime, genesis ship arrives at Arat.
1k years later we go to LC and beat the bap

[hollow creek]

more or less

the 1k gap is really stupid

[uneven iris]

Got it

[hollow creek]

cause it makes all the people in Arat basicly be 1k old

they should have made the 1k gap be ext and gen and not gen and LC

[uneven iris]

So its
Extinction -> LC lore -> genesis -> LC

[hollow creek]

yup

[uneven iris]

Not so confusing after all

But yeah the 1k year gap is weird

[hollow creek]

it comes out of nowhere and instead of using it well they shoot themselves on the foot

[uneven iris]

Also, is Bob from Bob's tall tales™ us or not?
Because like, he meets Helena, but we don't but his story represents ours within the game, so like, are we bob? Or nah, its extremely confusing

[hollow creek]

but i guess since the 1k gap and gen and ext being close was only stated here, it could get fixed ingame (copium 1000000x

[hollow creek]

no, Bob is a actual character, not the player

Bob inclusion is where i get completly lost

[uneven iris]

Yeah it messes me up because im used to ASE lore but ASA has a lotta additions to the lore

[hollow creek]

a good chunk of the faulty stuff could be chalked up to the TALL TALES he telling

[hollow creek]

most thing that revolve around meeka and Bob i get a bit lost

[uneven iris]

Well, we know that he was kind of lying on tall tales and nos he will tell us the truth on bob's true tales

[hollow creek]

yeah, we will see what True tales add

the inclusions of TAS canon into the main canon are the worst, and LC ignoring diana

[uneven iris]

So bob is just part of Helena and Friends™

[hollow creek]

more or less

[uneven iris]

Yes i really like the ™

[hollow creek]

i'm still confused on the Bob goes to cryo sleep during the LC final cutscene

[uneven iris]

But i got it now, when we go through extinction, ab falls on arat prime, rockwell messes with lost king a little, gets sent to genesis ship, after that we wait 1k years for rockwell to mess with genesis ship, Helena then sends us there for us to beat rockwell, we do that but uh oh, we still have to beat lost king, so we go there, kill the lost king and get mei Yin to be friend again, to finally go to ark 2

[hollow creek]

"gets sent to genesis ship, after that we wait 1k years for rockwell to mess with genesis ship, Helena then sends us there for us to beat rockwell"

we don't wait 1k for rockwell, genesis happens months after extintion ending

[uneven iris]

Yeah i noticed my mistake

Its rockwell goes there, then we go there, beat rockwell, and only then we wait the thousand years

I did notice my mistake there lol

[hollow creek]

the holy grail of the timeline rn is what dollie has pinned here

#lore-nerdz message

[uneven iris]

Sadly idk how to check pins lol

[hollow creek]

pc or mobile

[uneven iris]

Both (same acc on pc and mobile)

[hollow creek]

on pc it's near the search bar

on top right corner

on mobile u click the channel name on top while on it

then swipe left till pins

ups

[uneven iris]

Bruh

I though the caps thing was based on how much (%) of your message was caps, and not a set number

[uneven iris]

Alr thanks

[gloomy trout]

its like in a row

[hollow creek]

i have no clue the bot does it, i sometime feel like i abuse it

[hollow creek]

thanks snow

[waxen flame]

(posting so you don’t have to retype 😛)

[uneven iris]

My savior

[gloomy trout]

IdK lOl TeSt TeSt TeSt BlAh

its not amount

[uneven iris]

Oooh

[gloomy trout]

its in a row i thinik

[hollow creek]

u are correct Thor

[gloomy trout]

CAUSE LIKE JSUT THIS

i was exepcting that to get got

[hollow creek]

the bot likes us

[gloomy trout]

so tru

[uneven iris]

The bot did not like my attempt to be funny

But its kinda funny how the whole ark lore can be defined by "uh oh, helena called, she needs our help"

Ark lore in a nutshell: helena needs our help constantly, rockwell is springtrap (he always comes back) and element has 2 personalities, he is friend sometimes and enemy sometimes

[lean fog]

element is never friend tho?

it's made clear it's malicious and hostile to anything not itself tbh

[bold dove]

It can be "allied" with, via manipulation. As long as its the one getting most of the benefits, like a parasite.

Rockwell is pretty clearly tapped into its hivemind, as he hears voices in his head.
And his actions are nothing but to spread its influence more, one way or another.

[lean fog]

not really an alliance if it's a parasite tho

[lean fog]

if was symbiote maybe but it's clear it's not

[bold dove]

That's why it's in quotations.

It's a manipulative cosmic abomination of an entity, that will taint and 'corrupt' others into doing horrible stuff for its own gains.

[lean fog]

still wouldn't make it an alliance just a slave to the hivemind

[bold dove]

" a bond or connection between families, states, parties, or individuals "
"an association to further the common interests of the members"
It's a fucked up one, but it still would be considered an "alliance".
A forceful, manipulative alliance.

[lean fog]

eh seems more like reaper indoctrination tbh

let them think they in control or in an alliance but not

[bold dove]

Rockwell wanted to study more Element, and become a God.
Element provided, at the cost of his sanity and freewill.

[lean fog]

i mean tbf rockwell was always more of a mad scientist beforehand

[night quartz]

Why didn't he adapt to useable legs

[lean fog]

ngl i would not be shocked if it turned out he was jack the ripper and whatnot

[bold dove]

Didn't need them anymore.

[night quartz]

I knew he was into kink octopus stuff

[bronze turtle]

Is there anywhere in the dossiers that state about the creatures on the arks spawning or smth

[glad crow]

Well we have a note which mentions a megalodon reproducing the conventional way, albeit with a significantly reduced gestation time. I don't remember spawning being directly mentioned but it's definitely stated that the arks mess with the population.

[lyric tendon]

Helena Island note i believe forgot the page

[safe epoch]

So question, where on earth does extinction take place? Is it ever stated?

[north bear]

No but I found that on Reddit:This is from the ark wiki and has to do with the aberration ascension that plays so take it with a grain of salt

In Aberration's Ascension cinematic, Australia and Indonesia are visible on the globe when the planet is in view, with the camera taking the survivor towards present day South Kalimantan, Indonesia. Key landmarks aiding the locating process are Australia's northwest coast on the right side of the planet, and the Sunda Island chain visible as a string of mountains, with southeast China on the left of the player's view. In the cinematic, the Earth has been tilted 90 degrees, and there is water visible in the pacific basin beyond the Present day Philippines. It is therefore possible that one of Kalimantan's mountain ranges is the geographic location of Extinction's Sanctuary City, though it may be equally possible that the cut scene cinematic was made with no particular location in mind, lore-wise.

[safe epoch]

Neat

[west kernel]

How did the Lost King planned to face the titans with the ossidons

Did he even meassured them in the first place to see how it is a bad idea

[north bear]

Most titan aren’t that big (I think Mek size)

Ossidons were to fight them

So a few ossidon could kill one

(Not a good source for answers I haven’t beaten lc)

[lean fog]

i'd like to point out the ossidons were viable imo

like they're massive so can contend with the corrupted rexes and giga's etc and given they got massive bladed armor would wreck them and the snowball thing would be great for just sweeping up all the smaller things and just clearing the field

[hollow creek]

"Our biotech teams are laboring around the clock to gestate and domesticate as many Ossidons as possible, should the day come when they may be needed to defend against a Titan" from dossier

"Behold the Ossidon, a monstrous primate that has turned frozen alchemy into power and adapted to survive where even Titans falter, where even the Reseed Protocol can not reach" from CC 480

Ossidon isn't a titan counter/killer, but it's their best/last shot if the dome fails. in the CC 480 titans falter to the place of LC (where RP can't reach) not to Ossidons

Lost king never planned to go on the offensive, he would have just sat back in LC

[lean fog]

kinda find it weird in the 2k some years from when helena if not sooner and them were on earth and we're in LC that titans never tried to take it over

[hollow creek]

for 1k of those years titans were gone

but i get u, since the arks and genesis were launched the barrier just did it's job like 100% well to not have Lost king mention a breach once, and Titans never sent full on forces there

Plot for sake of plot, or maybe it did happen, we aren't told

[lean fog]

For all we know they were going to send a full force but the actions of camp omega inflicted enough dmg it would take a bit to restore forces but then we came along and finished them off

but yeah against ice and forest titan i can see the ossidons and other tames holding their own but the problem is the desert titan could just lightning strike everything and swarm attackers as it sits back

Question would be how many neophytes would it take to bring one down tho maybe if some can get inside could go damage but thing is pretty massive and lightning strikes and the defensive swarm would prob get moster of the attackers

[hollow creek]

one thing i always like to image is that there's more models for titans, but i guess it would be too much headcannon

[lean fog]

maybe but those 3 got things covered tbh

forest can trap things and keep em moving which in battle is death and same for ice who can freeze and if that not working impaled by giant ice spikes will and lightnign strikes and swarm great too since just look at games like GoW 1 or other swam things and yeah

[worn mango]

so dinosaur god punished people for killing dino jesus and they got sent to eternal torture by dinos, on the arks.

[lyric tendon]

Mei's notes has a Oni like titan

There are other kinda of titans that isn't the "lieutenants" aka the 3 tameable titans

[lean fog]

question is would they be on same level of the 3 in ext or would it be smaller more subordinate to them or even something else below them

[lyric tendon]

With little information in the notes and by extension the dossiers

No one knows about KT's army aside the lieutenants and the corrupted

[lean fog]

tho who probably do prob either got almost little intel other then looks or died

[bold dove]

She makes out the lieutenants also as Oni-like depictions. Even though we see they're way more animalistic in-game.
So as usual, I think that's just an artistical choice to make them look more like Oni's in her notes.

So the only think I think we can go off of. Is that they might've been bipedal.

[lyric tendon]

which is the forest titan is the only biped

[bold dove]

King Titan?

[lyric tendon]

aside from KT

[night quartz]

It took place at Detroit obviously

[hollow creek]

Oh god, anything but that

[night quartz]

Fuck it I have an idea to draw

King Titan and the other three in the Detroit hood

[lean fog]

lore idea

you got KT and it's 3 titans from the detroid hood facing off against rockwell and whatnot from the chicago hood

[ocean mulch]

ark has lore?

i thought we just spawned as a beach bob on the sand with a rock in our arm with one goal in mind to kill everything

[north bear]

What did you think the girl at the start was talking about?

[ocean mulch]

cant even lie brother i skipped that shi

no i lied i was just high asf when i saw it so either i did skip it or i just dont remember

[north bear]

Why were you playing ark high?

[ocean mulch]

cuz its freaking awesome u should give it a shot

seeing a dodo while high is a whole new level of hilarious not to mention punching it in the face

[north bear]

If you want to learn it you should watch needy the noodles video

[twin garden]

Chat I accidentaly skipped the opening LC cutscene, what did the weird lady say

[hollow creek]

Helena?
Fight lost king, get codex, see u soon

[twin garden]

Banger, thanks king

[lean fog]

sleep time for few hours

[north bear]

It’s been 8 hours you should maybe wake up (it’s the first of the month)

[mental basin]

SURVIVOR

i have reawakened you after forty thousand years so you can retrieve my gameboy advance sp blue edition from the lost king's eeevil fortress

We must ethnically cleanse and destroy the Antarctic so I can be with my wife who doesn't even love me again

Go forth, and zap to the extreme

[lyric tendon]

That actually tracks XD

Ethnically Cleanse the Ethnically Cleansed

[twin garden]

Thanks boss man. Bit more into depth than the other one

[brave lodge]

Dose anyone agree that lost colony dosent realy fit in verry well or has contracditories with the rest of the franchise?

[mental basin]

Yeah, I made a 40 minute long Video Essay on it

[brave lodge]

Link?

Dms open if cant post here

[mental basin]

Search up 'nanOS ARK' on YT

[compact zenith]

Cuz it's lore made for damn animated series

[native forge]

Not REALLY lore related, but still something to nerd out on.

Is there anything online where any of the high profile voice actors talk about the game or their work on the game? Like I’d love to hear Karl Urban talk about his role as “Bob”. Is there anything out there like this??

[lyric tendon]

The old fashioned way, mail ✉️

[uneven iris]

i have a queston, how different do you guys think the ark storyline would go if instead of choosing to help Helena our survivor just went ''nah'' and did his own thing?

[hollow creek]

like we spawn in the island, and just bob there forever
rockwell just stays there in orbit, LC just keeps on chugging, Element keeps it's grip on earth, Genesis find arat without any major issues

[versed cradle]

Then ig either Helena goes and finds another survivor on another ark to help or she never picks us in the first place if she saw us as not willing to help

[lean fog]

i mean we never outright agree to help her when we wake up on the island we just hear some mysterious voice and go from there

[vital plume]

I feel like there should've been more reason why Darius lost himself because the survivor was infected the whole time during the map and there was nothing wrong with him like what happened to Rockwell no voice in his head from the actual substance talking to him.

[lyric tendon]

he has more experience and the technical know how when comes to handling element compared to Rockwell

hence Darius doesnt have voices in his head, he is the voice in the survivor's head

[vital plume]

I just want to know more of why they lost themselves in red element when the survivor seems perfectly fine compared to the turned.

[lyric tendon]

Prolonged exposure also they don't have a Helena to stop it from progressing

Survivor only just took a whiff on it, given the open narrative and "the blank player character energy" the survivor is, it is up to you how "exposed" you are before getting uploaded to the Gen Ship

[bold dove]

Mental willpower.

At least how I interpret it. Darius had nothing to lose anymore after his mission with Project Genesis was over.
Rockwell was an already mentally declining man.
The Survivor is a beyond peak health physically.
And we still have a mission, a purpose to complete. A reason to actually be alive.

[compact zenith]

If you looked first cutscene on lost colony, Helena kinda helped him

[lean fog]

sounds like dark souls thing of hollowing

[dawn stirrup]

When does Lost Colony take place comparative to the other dlcs?

[mental basin]

1,000 years after Gen2

Approx- not 1,000 on the dot, lol

Well, technically ~1,000 years after the Reseed Protocol, but Genesis happens like, a couple months after the end of Extinction, so...

[potent igloo]

I recently finished and did the final boss of extinction. But I’m having problems on wether or not if I should do lost colony now, or wait and do Genesis 1 and 2. I never played evolved, so I have played ascended from the Island to extinction

I want the best way of understanding the lore

[dawn stirrup]

So the map…that was supposed to bridge the gap between Extinction & Genesis…didn’t bridge the gap at all?

[mental basin]

Yep

Well, there's a set of Rockwell - Darius Notes that explain how he got to Genesis, lol

A whopping 5 Notes

[mental basin]

LC's story is abysmal

An affront to everything Marc had created, but

It's got some spectacle, I suppose

[potent igloo]

Oh. Well, I may as well js wait for Genesis. Considering the fact it didn’t bridge the gap between extinction and gen, I’ll probably js get more confused

[hard sun]

Might help to know that the survivor in Gen 1 and 2 is not the same survivor as the one that did Island thru Lost Colony.

[dawn stirrup]

That pisses me off

[hard sun]

We don't know what happened to The One Who Tries Again (aka you, the player character) between Extinction and LC, but we do know that they were resurrected by Helena about 1000 or so years after the Reseed Protocol was activated for the purpose of retrieving the Codex.

[dawn stirrup]

I wish they had just made it be the one character through the whole thing, would’ve tied together much nicer

Esp with our continued rivalry with Rockwell

[hard sun]

We also know that the colony ship has already been out in space...somewhere by the time LC's events in the game begin.

It would just take a single retcon and boom, same survivor, continuous story.

[potent igloo]

That’s actually so far more confusing

[hard sun]

However (Gen 2 spoiler alert), ||you would have still died after defeating Rockwell and we just don't know how many survivors caught in the explosion survived or can be respawned planetside||

[dawn stirrup]

I feel like after Extinction the story got so muddled, what happened?

[hard sun]

to me, Gen 1 and 2 feel more like a side story

What is the colony ship, what is ||Rockwell|| doing on it, why is he doing it, etc

It wouldn't be much of a surprise if we found out that Gen 1/2 was only meant to be filler content to keep players busy until Ark 2 or new maps came out.

end ASE with a bang type of deal, yk?

I think given the new context for the Genesis ship, paired with the big changes coming to both maps, going back into them will feel different like in a "kinda new" way.

[potent igloo]

This is one thing I don’t really like about game companies. They keep on adding and adding stuff to the already perfectly wrapped up lore. They should have just stopped at extinction, to me it looked like a perfect way to end the game. Maybe what they should have done is just make more non story maps like the center and stuff

[dawn stirrup]

Agreed

Was probably cause of wanting money

[hard sun]

They felt the need to plug a narrative hole, but the execution doesn't seem to be done that well.

Gen 1 being a totally different survivor / its own self-contained storyline was not the play

Maybe for the ASA versions they will have retconned that

I think LC's purpose (narratively) was to explain how Rockwell got onto the Genesis ship in the first place, not so much about what's going on with the playable character or Arat Prime or anyone else, really.

[dawn stirrup]

So they made a map with the sole intention of adding 5 explorer notes and then adding a bunch of extra shit because why not?

[potent igloo]

Since I haven’t played LC and the gens I don’t know anything much about it. But I absolutely agree that the survivor being new in gen 1 was a horrible mistake

[dawn stirrup]

What's the lore explanation for that anyhow? How do they go about saying it?

[hard sun]

Something to do with HLNA choosing your specific character to enter the sim

[bold dove]

We'll have to see when Gen1 comes around for ASA.

[hard sun]

Some people believe it's a clone of the person who saved the world in Extinction, just without any memories which we know is possible.

[bold dove]

As of right now, we have no idea how/if the Genesis Survivor is going to change.
Ooooooooor if that's just a random lore bit that they'll forget about when Gen1 releases.

[bold dove]

Maybe?
But then there'd be two The One Who Tries Again on Arat. Since we know at the end of Gen2, the Survivor is alive in the Mek.
And LC shows us directly teleporting to the planet.

[hard sun]

Seems like a plot hole they overlooked

[dawn stirrup]

I wish it were possible for this crap to be retconned but ik that'd take time & money for something most people dont really care about

[bold dove]

You think?!?!

[hard sun]

I know so

Too much conflicting information/opinions.

[bold dove]

The entirty of LC is a plothole.

[hard sun]

I think it was an attempt (done wrong) to explain what happened between LC and Gen 1.

Extinction*

[bold dove]

But then they shat all over that, since LC is set 1,000 years both events. Making it irrelevant.

[hard sun]

Sure it explained how Rockwell got there, but not us. It looked like we got beamed directly to the new world and that was it.

Gen also apparently takes place at the same time (looking for confirmation on this) as the rest of the story.

For gameplay reasons it makes sense why your implant/progress would be kept.

For story reasons.....ehhhhhhhhhh

[bold dove]

Maaaaan.
They should've just made LC as what it needed to be. A gap between Ext and Gen1.
Just confirm the Genesis Survivor is The One Who Tries Again. And leave their ending ambiguous in Gen2, so we can either choose to play as a new survivor or as the same one from ARK-1 if we wanted to headcanon it.

[hard sun]

Had they teleported us to the genesis ship instead of Arat, then yeah that problem would've been solved. But that's not what happened.

[main steppe]

The original steam description literally called it a bridge between extinction and gen 1

[bold dove]

Which was a lie

[hard sun]

It does but it doesn't if that makes sense.

[main steppe]

See, I don’t think it exactly was.

I think somewhere in production it was planned to be a bridge story, but plans changed

[dawn stirrup]

why the hell would they change it?

[hard sun]

It only really explains how rockwell got onto the ship and that's pretty much it. The rest is kindaa wrapup for the element/reseed plot thread

[bold dove]

Really, the plot can easily shit back to being a presequel.
Just remove the "1,000 year" line from Helena, and change the ending to be white screen that goes "Hello, my name is HLN-A!"
That's the minimal of what they would need to do.

[bold dove]

Probably to promote ARK-2 and get us "hyped" for it

[hard sun]

Which didn't really need wrapping up since it felt wrapped up nicely as it was. But they were teasing Arat Prime in the Extinction lore too, so who knows what the original plan was. If they even planned for an Arat Prime map in Ark 1

[bold dove]

Which now, instead. I have even less interest then the basically no interest I had in it.
Now out of spite.

[hard sun]

Come for the story, stay for the shoulder pets

[dawn stirrup]

Riiiiiiight, hype for the game that we've recieved no comms for in like what, 5 years?

Half a decade is crazy

[bold dove]

[dawn stirrup]

I dont think anyone gives a shit about Ark II atp, I wish they'd just make Ark I the best it could be

Fix the plot holes, connect Extinction & Gen I, give Scorched its missing bosses, all that jazz

[hard sun]

Don't forget they also plan to develop both games side by side so that if Ark 2's flavor isn't really doing it for you, classic ARK is still there

[dawn stirrup]

Let's be real for a second

Do you truly expect them to keep that promise?

[hard sun]

Oh we both know that's going to go about as well as putting all of your silverware in the microwave

I mean you never know

[bold dove]

Yeah, in reality.
But Wildcard (likely higher ups) probably don't realize this since they're out of touch. And probably think people are bored of ARK-1. (ASE/ASA are both ARK-1 in my eyes)

[hard sun]

Same

Some call ASA ark 1.5, but 1 is 1, no matter what decimal it has attached

[dawn stirrup]

The disconnect between executives of like any major company and their consumer-base needs to be studied

[hard sun]

Look at snail, lol

[dawn stirrup]

It is fascinating how often they do the exact opposite of what everyone wants

[bold dove]

I say ASA to be specific.
But if I'm talking about stuff that falls under both games. Like the general plot. I just call it "ARK-1"

[hard sun]

Company is a walking dumpster fire

I actually feel bad for Wildcard for being stuck with them.

[dawn stirrup]

Is there any chance WC is able to leave Snail or nah?

[hard sun]

But Jeremy broke a contract which led to Snail acquiring them.

Only if Snail sells them or Wildcard buys the rights

but seeing as how Ark is snail's ONLY money maker... dont see that happening

[bold dove]

Wildcard has good people in it.
But I don't feel bad for the higher ups, really.
They're the ones that make the final call in the creative decisions.
We saw that Snail tried to do shit with ASA with Aquatica being marketed originally for being on a "next-gen" game, if I recall. Only for it to release on ASE.
Wildcard seemingly has more control then we give them credit for.

[hard sun]

They fought tooth and nail against Snail for a lot of things over the years.

A microtransaction store was one of them.

[bold dove]

Which makes me think narrative issues are purely a Wildcard problem. Not a Snail Games issue.

[hard sun]

Idk if you would consider Fantastic Tames to be "microtransactions" but they're walking a thin line with that imo

[hard sun]

100%

I would imagine Snail only really steps in where money is concerned.

[dawn stirrup]

Why did the story get so screwy afetr Extinction?

[hard sun]

They probably didn't plan for Ark 2 to take so long to make.

Needed filler content to keep things going.

I see Gen 1 and 2 as filler content only. Sure it's canon, but it's not essential to anything.

[dawn stirrup]

truth be told I think it would've been better if they hadn't made Gen

There'd have prolly been more hype for Ark II if it was like "a long awaited return to the Ark franchise"

[hard sun]

They could have just marketed them as endgame maps that exist for the pure purpose of going all out with tek

which in reality, is all those maps are used for

[dawn stirrup]

who knows, maybe they'll do that with the revamp

[hard sun]

Gen 2 more so than 1 but we'll see how the map edits change things

[dawn stirrup]

I hope Eden gets more variety. Doubt it will, but one can dream

[hard sun]

If it's truly the dynamic water system that Atlas had, they should bring that to all the maps with an ocean

I'd also like to see LC's snow storms on other maps too

I honestly think the best way to frame Gen1/2 is that it's a side-story that takes place at the same time as the rest of the story and has little to do with the overarching plot.

[dawn stirrup]

I feel like that would've worked better if it weren't Rockwell returning

[hard sun]

at least we know how he got on the ship

[dawn stirrup]

yeah but still

[hard sun]

even if it wasn't that spectacular

Some people are saying LC takes place after Gen 2 since there's already people on Arat and debris still falling from the sky.

take this with a grain of salt since its coming from reddit, but I think I may have found an answer.

Initially, in ASE, the survivor's story ended with Extinction and the survivor that wakes up on Gen 1 is presumably a different survivor, but the writers said (prob in an extra life stream) that they wanted to leave that up to interpretation on whether or not that actually is us or someone else.

Apparently the Gen 1 survivor is just a clone made from the same source human as the extinction survivor (any lore pros, pls add/remove to this)

[main steppe]

The trailer for Gen1 implied it was the same survivor. In the final game, it’s ambiguous.

[hard sun]

So I'm guessing then, the LC clone we play as didn't make it in time to Arat Prime to upload before the colony ship left for Arat.

Died somewhere along the way, or maybe just never bothered.

After all that stuff you go through, I'd probably just want to park myself right on the beach, build a nice house and retire lol

Well one thing that is now clear for me is that Gen 1/2 already happened by the time we wake up on LC.

[dawn stirrup]

Just a small thing, is singleplayer or multiplayer "more canon?"

[hard sun]

Up to you, IMO since you can do all the same things.

[dawn stirrup]

Ik Extinction's ascension cutscene shows people, so I'm inclined to assume multiplayer?

[hard sun]

yeah id say so

[dawn stirrup]

Imagine an ARK server where people actually tried playing realistically for the setting

That'd be fun

[hard sun]

try hardcore settings

if you die, you stay dead

every action counts or its back to level 1

[dawn stirrup]

I mean moreso in terms of like playstyle: Realistic builds, reasonable amounts of tames and diversity of tames per tribe, etc.

[hard sun]

That sounds fun, kinda reminds me of Primitive+

[dawn stirrup]

Somethin like that yea

[hard sun]

too bad it got left in ase

no one has tried reviving it yet afaik

[dawn stirrup]

I'm realizing that I'd want to play on an RP server that actually adheres to ark's lore

alas, everything is just GoT/Fantasy

[hard sun]

Those do exist!

[dawn stirrup]

I've had no luck finding such servers

[hard sun]

I can only imagine. With how fantastical a lot of maps are, those fantasy RPs must be wild

[dawn stirrup]

yeah

[dawn stirrup]

how did you find them? Everything I see is just the high fantasy stuff

[hard sun]

I came across it randomly trying to find a server one day and noticed it was RP

despite not having any RP signage

people were RP'ing as tek survivors on ab

[dawn stirrup]

oh sick

what's it called? Might give it a look

[hard sun]

i dont remember, this was a while ago

[dawn stirrup]

pain

[hard sun]

I didnt stay there for long

went back to the community cluster I usually play on

[lyric tendon]

It be difficult to pull off given how few people interested to the actual lore vs the TAS version (or i liked to call the "non-canon" canon) vs the majority who don't give a damn anymore XD

Ned's project was the closest thing but unfortunately cancelled

[lean fog]

Yeah never saw appeal of trying to rp as ingame characters tbh, feel like since ingame lore is ancient past or so compared to when characters are around you could make up your own personal stuff for you and or friends

[glossy sierra]

Like, how we fit into the story?

[lean fog]

we're just a random dude helena see's potential in

[glossy sierra]

We are The One Who Tries Again. A survivor picked by Deus Ex Helena to complete the arks and establish the reseed, link the Genesis Ship, and get the Implant Index

[lean fog]

our only real interaction with cast outside ext ascencion is on way through one of the arks rockwell hijacks us and we end up on ab

[glossy sierra]

I strongly suggest looking up a lore video covering the story of the game, since it pretty much covers the backstory and how we fit into it all

[lean fog]

they didn't

[glossy sierra]

They didnt?

[lean fog]

notes are still a thing

[glossy sierra]

Someone lied to you.

You can literally look at your implant and see that the Island, SE and Ab are +10 levels, and the Bobs Tall Tales allows an additional like 15?

Through bonus story notes

[lean fog]

you mean recipe ones?

yeah those are still there

mhm

bruh you still get xp from em

cause he's an arrogant prick tho was obssessed with stuff and then proceeded to go looney cause element bad for you(totally not shocker) and get a god complex

[lean fog]

they changed it up cause of animated series stuff with LC cause now he wants to bring back his daughter or something

think it only brought up once in a LC note thing too

which if they went into more then one note mentioning her then yeah i could see it being fine since i doubt he shared everything he knew on old notes but it feels like offhand mention

so him having a daughter be reason for his desire to get to tek etc after seeing what it can do is fine but at least expand on it more then offhand mention

[compact zenith]

Each alpha ascension+15

[glossy sierra]

Was talking about notes here 🙂

[compact zenith]

Doesn't it require all notes to get +10? with exception of bob notes

[glossy sierra]

+10 for all of the regular notes, +5 for Bobs SE +5 for Bobs Abb, +5 for Bobs Ext.

[gloomy trout]

atm its only island and SE

[lyric tendon]

He didn't mention anything about his daughter in his Island notes

He just want to rule the island and proving his colleagues back in the institute rather than "saving his daughter"

[past path]

Why do you ask a question then correct someone when they answer you 😭

[glossy sierra]

The person who asked it initially deleted the comment or left the server.

So I did no such thing, thanks

[past path]

Aauuugghhh

[glossy sierra]

My first comment was in reply to someone asking (poorly) where the survivor fits into the story, and I was making sure they meant the player character and not something else lol

[desert tide]

is Gaius Marcellus nerva based on Gaius Julius Caesar?

[lean fog]

no he was just a roman centurion who was around during caesers time

[desert tide]

i mean the naming

both being Gaius

[lean fog]

no it seems like was just a common name like alot of people name there kids stuff like that cause it's popular prob even back then

[lean fog]

Gotta wonder something

We got defense drones doing stuff in sanctuary but how come we never saw attack units at all? you'd think those would be deployed too

[bold dove]

Because they want to "defend" the city, not "attack" it.

I don't have Nitro, so you have to imagine that message having the "think" emote instead.

[lean fog]

not saying attack the city but techncially speaking if used that logic there shouldn't be attack drones in overseer fight cause they're defending not attacking it

[lean fog]

in all seriousness tho you'd think they'd be there at least if a scout does it's alarm thing would maybe trigger those too

[winter bay]

Ark devs should be put into lore as evil gods that hate every survivor

[lyric tendon]

that is just Overseer

[shadow jetty]

That’s crazy

[lyric tendon]

if you read notes in Scorched Earth, it's pretty apt

[lime elk]

If the obelisks wipe out any large civilization in lore

Why don’t they do that in game when people spam?

[compact zenith]

they afraid to do it after tek tribe exploded abb overseer (joke)

[dense quartz]

Am I tweaking or are the Carnotauruses supposed to be aggressive towards raptors, tigers etc according to the dossier notes but somehow, are not in game

[lime elk]

lol

[short night]

Wait there's lore???

[hollow creek]

Yes

[compact zenith]

only for real players who ascended

[north bear]

Yep if you want to learn it the easiest option whould be to watch needythenoodle video

[short night]

Okay

[lean fog]

I think at this point helena's gained oversight etc of the arks etc

plus even then people are still going tribal thing

vs the refusing to do anything city did on SE

[lime elk]

I like how Helena was talking to Meeka and when Meeka said SHE saved the world she didn’t deny that shit💔

[bold dove]

Helena didn't do shit.

[lime elk]

EXACTLY

I mean she did ground the ARKs

[hollow creek]

🎶 C4 bunny
C4 bunny🎶
🎶 C4 bunny
C4 bunny🎶

she did make the respawn system for us

[lime elk]

But we did most of the hard stuff

[hollow creek]

that was automatic

ark land by themselves

just were wainting on element to die down

[lime elk]

I’m pretty sure she did it🤔

[hollow creek]

which without us, woun't happend

[bold dove]

She didn't. That was the automated reseed protocol, made centuries before she was cloned

[bold dove]

All she does as a Homo-Deus, is create the "respawn" protocol.

[lime elk]

Alright

[hollow creek]

so we can be in death cycle vs dilos

[bold dove]

Which eventually made The Survivor, which in turn she navigated and guided to finish what she couldn't.
Because she got no hands.

Like that's still important.
But I wouldn't fall her under the "one of the great hero's that saved Earth" category.
Because we did 95% of the heavy lifting.

[lime elk]

Bro notice how Rockwell in lore is probably a bit weaker and less experienced in his new body and still 100s of people and tames died fighting him

[lime elk]

Yet one, only ONE person and twenty tames can beat his ass💔

[lime elk]

And yeah we can try again or whatever but we can still beat him in a single run

[lime elk]

And some of them we’re trained soldiers wearing the armor they wore in the element war (though they might not remember to do memory altering)

[bold dove]

To be fair, they where caught off gaurd.
And nothing indicated the Tek Tribe had hundreds of people in it.
And half of them went to go with Santiago and Helena to the ARK's control center, and that was only a dozen at most people.

[bold dove]

The Survivor is basically the immortal snail meme.
Training doesn't mean jack shit, when the entity you're fighting can just infinitely come back, and now has a pissed off reason to dedicate its entire existence in killing you.

The Survivor is literally the embodiment of the "Dormammu, I've come to bargain" scene from Doctor Strange.

[lime elk]

Ok, fair point, but I’d still say that in the time it would take for Rockwell to kill a couple of them he’d probably have some people attacking him

And if you saw everything they built, that’d probably mean that there were tons of people

Yes it did take years to build

But that would be beyond impressive for a group of 30-80 people to build

And also if you look at bobs true tales and Helenas notes in aberration

There is no evidence supporting that a large group went into the control center

[bold dove]

They also had 24th century technology like fabricators, so building mass structures probably took less time then IRL construction.

[hollow creek]

bobs true tales bobs tall tales
bobs true tales is gen1 and 2

[lime elk]

Sorry

[bold dove]

Kind of like how in Subnautica, humanity is so advanced that they have a handheld tool that can just fabricate an entire house out of their asses.

[lime elk]

Though this is true, I don’t think that it would be the fabricators setting it up

They would still have to work by hand to set it up

[bold dove]

There's probably some Tek construction tool in-universe instead of a fabricator.
Fabricators seem more like they're better suited to mass produce smaller objects, like firearms or such. Just because of how clunky their design is.

[bold dove]

Likely. But it can't take too much time.
Mei wakes up on Ab not too long after the idiots blew up the Overseer. (probably a year or two)
Then Helena finds Mei, and makes no comment on if she aged or not between the time they last saw each other.
So, if I had to pull a number out of my ass. It'd probably be less then 5 years between the time the ARK collapsed, and the time Helena is on Ab.

[lime elk]

Ik this is probably debatable but I’d say that they wouldn’t have done it that quickly

Mainly because Santiago had created tek gear likely a couple of months/years before they blew it up

Now you could be right

But if it was months then that would mean that some of them wouldn’t have had experience with tek

[bold dove]

The ARK's where built in a pretty short time frame for something as complicated and massive as they are. So a simple village isn't out of the question.
Feel like it'd take more time in them finding Element, and prepping it properly with circut boards and stuff, then it would in fabricating a village after getting the tech all functional.

[bold dove]

Diana does mention that some people needed training, since they weren't used to Tek.

[lime elk]

You do also have to take into consideration that they had to refine most of the element they got on the surface which being how heat resistant it is

Probably took a while

[bold dove]

Right, as they needed a modern day high-efficient forge.

[lime elk]

Which being that they were on a ark

Would probably be hard to get

It’s kind of dumb how they didn’t mention how they refined the element

Now they probably used one of two ways to get all of the element in the cave

[bold dove]

Right, the prepping to get Tek probably took awhile.
I just doubt with how nearly alien and godlike Tek technology is, and basically just being better tech then from Subnautica, that fabricating a house would be too hard and a time consuming process.

[lime elk]

They either
A. Used the molten element from the cave that was already melted

Or

B. Multiplied the element being said in the lore that it literally grows out of its self

And sense idk how long it takes element to multiply

Likely 1000s of years because of how earth is on extinction

I’d say it’s probably A

[bold dove]

Rockwell just made a shitty forge, the best he could think of for his time period.
Modern day forges can reach up to 2,600F. And that's just for ones you can buy at a store.
Compared to a charcoal-fueled one back in the 18-hundreds that can only reach up to roughly 1,000F.

Pretty sure the note image that was drawn was literally the refining forge from the game.
So yeah, really shitty.

[lime elk]

And that barely made a dent if I remember right🤔

[bold dove]

He made a bootleg refining forge

Which is closer to a charcoal fueled one, then a modern one.

[lime elk]

So it has to be that they used the high supply of liquid element at the bottom of ab

Refined it

And fabricated it to make the large civilization in the cave

[bold dove]

That, or it just turns out that Element needs at minimal around 2,000F heat to even start melting

[lime elk]

It’d probably take days if not longer for it to melt

[bold dove]

If they had the fuel, it probably did.

And a better forge would probably be the first thing they made.

[lean fog]

you say that but given Tungsten has highest(known) melting point at 3,422°C (6192°F; 3,695°K) and element is basically unobtanium wonder thing feel like have higher melting point

[bold dove]

At that point it then depends on the writing team.
Because we know that a basic forge can't even dent it. But I don't think they really explore past that of Elements melting point

[lean fog]

True but the fact it's use as power source seems like supplants nuclear power plants it's gott be really hot makes me feel like it can handle heat but who knows tbh

[odd breach]

can someone summarize the lore in 3 sentences im new

Or less

[hollow creek]

element bad
we fight it
everything better .... family

[odd breach]

element as in like the thing in our wrist in ark?

[hollow creek]

alien space plot material

also eveil

[odd breach]

and wdym everything better family

[hollow creek]

vin diesel

[odd breach]

intresting

[lean fog]

element kills world
we fight dinosaurs and save world
then we save ship looking for new worlds

[odd breach]

Uh huh

[bold dove]

Kind of ish.

[bold dove]

That's Tek, technology made from Element.

Element is a space resource metal that's also a plague.
Ancient humans made Tek, caused global conflict, caused the Element (called now Corruption in this state) to spread and kill all natural life.
Beforehand, humanity made the ARK's and Genesis ship to clone all known parts of life and preserve them in hopes of them clearing out the Element and reseed the planet.

[odd breach]

Is that why the dinosaurs are there? To restore humanity and reseed

[bold dove]

Shitty excuse of "because human x dino combo worked better then human x canine/feline combo" when it comes to pets.

[odd breach]

I see

wait is the thing in our wrist an infection on the top part of the skin or a literal rock just stuck

[bold dove]

It's a Tek device made alongside every cloned survivor.

It's a tracking device for the ARK to know where everyone is.
As well as a universal translator.

[odd breach]

Alright Alright

that must hurt

[bold dove]

It's enflamed around the implant, so probably.

[lean fog]

it's like a tablet or so built in iirc

[main mural]

the humans didn't do anything when cats were there and the cats kept taking over when they rapidly evolved

[bold dove]

Cats always find their ways back to humans.
Imagine they're not even originally clones, but wild cats that snuck onto the ARK's as they where being built. And The System just decided "eh, fuck it. Add them in anyway."

[main mural]

the actual reason is probably just to promote growth lol.

[bold dove]

[lean fog]

yeah i picture alot of parts of an ark have various creatures to ensure biomes are supported but eventually cats got loose and by time overseer noticed they were too prolific

[oak osprey]

Bonjour 🥖

[mental basin]

Isn't that what the Dossier implies to begin with

"Why am I not surprised that common house cats survived the end of the world?" ~Cat Dossier

I do think it's likely that cats were scanned into some kinda System-wide Codex something-or-other, though, after awhile

[hardy gazelle]

where can i tame a anky

[lean fog]

on which map?

[lean fog]

do you think there were some people on arks who were in background keeping some stuff going at least early on,like similar to the genesis ship? maybe one of them did and liked cats and wanted cat to not feel as lonely and then the cats got out

[desert tide]

cats pulled a lil Per ardua ad astra and phased through the floor

also, Per ardua ad astra!

[compact zenith]

Honestly it would be so much better for lore in game if wildcard keep old araneo dossier as it is, but gave you new one after you tame araneo

[lean fog]

make it so helena and them had the old spiders but after they left the ark system updated spiders etc to make it deadlier? yeah i'd like that idea tbh

[mental basin]

That's literally what the Dossier says, lol

Except the change happens while she's on The Island

[lean fog]

good ol retcons

but yeah can see the overseer going"this shit's too easy lemme ramp it up"

[bold dove]

Not really a retcon

[mental basin]

Yeah not really traditionally

It's more of an expansion

[bold dove]

Retcon stands for 'retroactive continuity'.
When old established rules get overwritten by something new.
This is using established rules that ARK creatures adapt and change quickly

I guess the best you can argue is that it retcons our journey on The Island, if we tamed the old-style araneos before the TLC came out.

[uncut lily]

Doing lc rewrites for fun idgaf I'm bringing nerva back i miss him dearly

[hollow creek]

Fair fair fair, won't take much to be better than the LC we got

[uncut lily]

Probably not a hot take in any way but i do not fw the rewritten rockwell at all oh my god

[lean fog]

if they'd maybe mentioned his daughter in more then one note and barely then i could understand it but they didn't so rip

[uncut lily]

that and i dont care for him being sympathetic that much , he can be a great villian just by being inherently selfish

[bold dove]

Gen2 was what his "sympathy" should've peaked at.
A mentally declining man giving his mortality away, due to the fear of his inevitable death, and being manipulated by a being beyond anyone's comprehension,

[uncut lily]

RIGHT!! im not inclined to feel bad for a man that only ever said 'sorry' when he was trying to manipulate someone. i adore him but damn

[main steppe]

The most sympathetic I think Rockwell should’ve been was the end of Gen 2, and the very beginning of LC, where he’s a Rockwell who hasn’t lived through the ark’s with the Rockwell that has in his head

[lean fog]

gonna be honest if they retcon the gen 1/2 stuff and take advantage of rockwells I'm a GOD thing and expand on the whole daughter thing think would actually work since he'd think being a god he can revive his daughter and start his dynasty or something

[uncut lily]

I dont think it'd happen but it'd be cool if they expanded on Rockwells lost daughter and Helenas (supposedly) lost father as a reason the two stick together.

[lyric tendon]

Wait she has a father now?

I hate TAS so much

[uncut lily]

No I just mean supposedly as in hes either out of the picture or dead since we don't ever see him. He's never mentioned.

[lyric tendon]

that is just bad writing

[uncut lily]

Tbf he could very well just not be important.

I think my biggest problem with atas is rockwell and Helena not being friend and rockwell not being a very good liar in the show.

[clear hull]

Not a big fan of the retcons, Show stuff should stay Show stuff and Game Lore should stay its own thing

It’s just sloppy and doesn’t make sense, it’s forced imo

[uncut lily]

I totally agree. Even in just the first episode they have totally different events. And Helena and rockwells first meeting in the show is just.. so gross

[clear hull]

Also imma be real them doing a whole “But Rockwell will be back in Ark 2”

COMPLETELY ruins his entire ending in Gen2 which was honestly the perfect ending for his character, him returning to his humanity in his final moments was a beautiful scene that’s just getting ruined

Like I like David Tenant, Rockwell is a cool character, but this choice just feels like milking his character for no reason

[uncut lily]

YESSS , at the VERY least dont make him the new antagonist, also maybe bring back nerva, idk it seems like everyone else is back. It's sort of a shame that nerva is the only one of the authors of the island notes to not keep coming back. It would've been cool to see him as like a opposite to Mei and Diana working towards helenas goals

[clear hull]

Like he’ll still be around in the Show, I wouldn’t mind him popping up in prequel material or Bobs True Tales for example, but like he should have been laid to rest and them bringing him back single-handedly ruins the Gen 2 DLC ending

[uncut lily]

Yess yess u get it

[clear hull]

Honestly I don’t know what they could do as the main villain for Ark 2, I could see Element returning, but I don’t want it to be from Rockwell

[uncut lily]

They need to let him retire good god /hj

I wouldn't mind seeing more of him ( i say i dont mind like he isnt easily my favorite ) but we also need to see equal amounts from everyone else

[clear hull]

I saw someone say it’d be a interesting idea if he’s a good guy now in Ark 2, and I think I might be open to seeing how that’d play out, but from the sounds of it he’s just gonna be evil again which completely ruins Gen 2 ending

[clear hull]

Honestly the Titans are the most fascinating thing for me in the lore, I know that season is gonna be really dark and I’m all here for it, if there’s one thing I really liked about Lost Colony is that they really spell out how devastating Titans are that creatures specifically made to take them on still weren’t enough

[uncut lily]

Dear God 🥀 he overstayed his welcome in lc . I feel like he was just human again so he didnt immediately become a problem for Darius' intimidation as a antagonist for that dlc.

[uncut lily]

I really like lost colony, though I haven't caught up on what happens in it. I just cant stand that portrayal of rockwell

[clear hull]

I was pretty excited to see their interactions, Keith David is so goated as characters like the Arbiter and it was really refreshing having a new Human Antagonist

[uncut lily]

Yesss I adore his voice acting. He was the voice claim for my ark survivor for a while.

[clear hull]

Honestly same, my main biggest gripe is the ending, I hate how it just ruins Gen2 ending and it takes away from Rockwell because they are trying to force him into another DLC instead of letting him die with his honestly perfect ending in Gen2

[lean fog]

I feel like if rockwell shows up post gen 2 it has to be some corpse creature thing helena mentions in LC to meeka

she mentions something slumbering

[clear hull]

Like it perfectly closes his character arc with him returning human in his final moments while HLNA is there for him and it feels like a really good close to the story of Ark 1 as a whole leaving

[lean fog]

so my idea is that since bobs true tales is about meeka and bobs journey maybe at end of part 2 they awaken the creature and legacy of santiago is them finishing off the thing

[uncut lily]

The Jekyl and Hyde idea is cool but doesn't suit rockwell personally at all. It kind of feels like a lazy way to make him sympathetic. It's easy to sympathize with him in the notes because he believes so strongly that Helena hates him or is working against him when thats clearly not true. Until ab she talks about him so fondly it's so sad.

[clear hull]

See that’s another reason I really like the game Rockwell more than Show Rockwell

In the show he just appears as generically evil with them throwing in a random daughter as a subplot

But in the game he turns evil because not only does he feel betrayed but the Element itself is twisting his mind, and that’s the true horror of element is that it feeds off your desires and corrupts you, it mentions it does as much to the Corrupted Creatures as well, honestly it’s basically Sin if we taking the Biblical references (there’s a lot)

[uncut lily]

YESS YESSS game rockwell is SUCH a good character. He makes a great mad scientist because characters like that tend to be very aloof and stoic and not people friendly, but Rockwell uses everyone's (save for a few people obviously) trust in his word and charms to take him at face value. He does it ALL the time. Hell he literally says it in the aberration notes.

Show rockwell is just so terrible because hes a complete coward and pushover. The major leaders of the island already know he's a liar because he openly betrayed them. He wants Helena to work with him in the first episode (if I remember it right) but he doesn't try to deceive her? It's like he thinks what he's doing is totally fine, versus game rockwell who KNEW what he was doing was bad and just didnt care.

[clear hull]

Facts, like he was low-key already like that, he did care for some people mainly Helena but the Element forces that darker side to the surface and twisted his mind giving him his god complex

Honestly again kinda related but I love that Element is essentially Sin from a Biblical perspective, it’s seductive the power it gives, it corrupts and twists people, Earth in Extinction is even considered Hell and the Titans are Arks equivalent to Demons

And Rockwell is the pinnacle of showing how bad someone can be twisted and tempted by Element

[uncut lily]

YESS YESS ❤️

He is INCREDIBLY captivating to me. I wish we got more of him from the prospective of ordinary survivors, especially on ab. That one note from the graduate students is incredibly haunting. Especially because they might not even know he's even there.

[clear hull]

Also something else that was cool is in Vampire lore they get their powers from making a deal with the Devil, and in Ark they purposefully fused themselves with Element (King Titan is essentially the Devil in Ark Lore)

[clear hull]

I hope they do his transformation justice in the show, there’s honestly some body horror stuff they could do since in lore his Game form wasn’t actually his first form

[lean fog]

I mean i'd like to point out that element is basically sentient/sapient

so it'd be more like a tech kinda version of stuff that feels like the flood or so tbh

[uncut lily]

I can't draw his normal mutated form so I've been giving him a centipede esc gorgon look, since some notes make him look almost insect like.

[clear hull]

Facts, Element embodies itself into the Pillars, it’s a sentient force but it takes its main form in the Pillars (with the King Titan essentially being the embodiment of Element since he’s the Central Pillar and all Titans are made entirely of Element)

[lean fog]

KT isn't so much as embodiment so much as it's the biggest creature and acts as a hive node filtering orders down

[clear hull]

I always take Helena’s depictions as the most faithful since she does the Dossiers and they are all pretty much 1 - 1

[lean fog]

closest example i got is the mothership from independance day

you take out main thing and while weaker ones are disurpted they can recover and build a new creature to be hiveminds lynchpin

[uncut lily]

Ty Helena for delivering all the best rockwell content oh my god

[lean fog]

i mean they can all be accurate

like one we fight different then one they did cause he had like 1k some years to pull himself back together

[uncut lily]

I figure over time he kept changing how he looks to suit environmental needs. Kind of like a plant shedding a leaf or branch it doesn't need anymore

[clear hull]

Yeah but the King Titan specifically is the Central Pillar, it’s the closest thing to a Embodiment the Element had

[clear hull]

I figured since he fell into the Ark and had effectively become the Overseer that also helped in him forming his body back together

[lean fog]

feel like the element itself is the embodiment i mean look at those giant element veins north of EXT

[clear hull]

Kinda, I could see that, but without the King Titan the entire planet basically reverted, the King Titan itself holds most of the element which kept the Arks in space

[lean fog]

not really

[clear hull]

It’s a central body (or pillar, either works) that helps keep the earth element infested

[lean fog]

the kt keeps the element focused and active

when it died the chain of command basically went down for long enough for reseed things to keep going

it'd be liking a massive jamming thing then slamming defenses with missiles and bombs before can coordinate a defense properly

if the arks never landed the element prob woulda just made a nother KT but even stronger

is why the KT camp omega fought would be beta KT but one we fought is alpha who realized and armored up

[clear hull]

It’s that and the King Titan is just that powerful, realistically if they tried the reseeding protocol he’d just coordinate everything to obliterate the Arks

[lean fog]

that's the whole point of lynch pin

the arks themselves prob would never land cause too much element like that ship in wall ee with pollution

my guess is helena saw you take KT out and since she basically took over network force arks to land and start purifying before element could focus

[clear hull]

Honestly that, the coordinated assaults he would lead, and the fact that even those aside he’s the strongest thing in the verse and it’s not remotely close

Like technically the player couldn’t even beat him alone, Helena made augmentations to the Mega Mek to make it possible

[lean fog]

her only change was making it so it only needed 1 person not 4

[clear hull]

Like Mei Yin only has 2 legit loses (not counting tricks, outside interference or purposefully giving up)

One was against the player and the other was the King Titan where he obliterated her

[clear hull]

The Mega Mek was 70% complete when Mei and Diana fought the King Titan, I believe we use the finished Mega Mek as well, but yeah it’s mainly it’s been adjusted so the player character can use it

[lean fog]

plus there has to be other smaller lynch pins

once we took it out ark landed started purifying making a breach in element defenses and then more and more

[clear hull]

Considering you have to fight all the King Titan levels yeah him becoming his Alpha Form took too much of a toll for him to regenerate quick enough

[lethal plaza]

Who is the king titan even

[mental basin]

A sentient manifestation of Element

As a sort of defense mechanism, once Element goes from planet to planet (as it's implied to spread) and proliferates enough, seeing as Element in it's natural state has the ability to create carbon-based life, it does just that- in the form of giant, alien 'Titans' which essentially carry out the will of the hivemind.

Technically, the King Titan isn't even the big bad. The purple veins of Element you see on Extinction are, lol. It's just that Element can't defend itself in a state like that, so it creates enforcers of its own.

[lethal plaza]

Oh ok

So titan is element creation

[bold dove]

Same shit we harvest and snort up

[clear hull]

I’m genuinely curious to hear how far people think Nerva and his New Legion would have gotten if the main characters didn’t interfere

I know he’s getting bodied in Extinction and in essence wouldn’t make it to Lost Colony

But do we think he could make it through Scorched Earth and Aberration?

I think Scorched would actually be manageable, as long as they stay away from the Dunes & Wyvern Trench then they should be fine enough to adapt and get a foothold on Scorched to eventually become the biggest tribe

Aberration would be more tricky and tougher

[lean fog]

not far at all tbh

he woulda broke everytime once found out his gods were fake and it's all for nothing

even if he pullled through he'd prob stop at scorched

either he tries making his empire there and overseer steps in or previous survivors knowing what overseer did stop him

[clear hull]

For sure, I think he definitely clears The Island since he already almost did, Scorched aside from Psychological stuff I still think is possible as long as he avoids the more dangerous areas first

Aberration is weird because it was really different around that time but they’d likely die there for sure

[hollow creek]

" clears The Island since he already almost did" got completely shredded by overseer

[clear hull]

And again Extinction isn’t worth mentioning since even Survivors with Meks couldn’t even survive and by extension they wouldn’t make it to Lost Colony

[lean fog]

i see nerva walking around in a daze if brought to SE and getting mauled or dying or so tbh

[clear hull]

You gotta remember a large part of that was from previous damage as well, Mei Yin caused a lot of damage from her tames and specifically the Giga, this scenario is they are out of the picture

[lean fog]

maybe going so delirious gets fake visions but yeah he ain't gonna make it off scorched

[clear hull]

I still think the Overseer would do a number, but they would be entering the Overseer with a larger force than they did in lore

[lean fog]

remember after fall of raia's city etc and until we got to scorched there was no ascension so not getting off

[lean fog]

even if they did he'd still break since he woulda taken crippling losses and that it was allf or nothing

[clear hull]

Yeah for sure that’d be the biggest factor is the psychological toll of even if he does make it past Scorched and Aberration the world he came from is vastly different, he was definitely screwed no matter what way it’s spun but I still think he could potentially work his way through Scorched, it wouldn’t be easy with the weather and more dangerous threats like the Wyvern and Deathworms (those are the main reasons I think he’d probably stay away from the Dunes and Wyvern Scar after finding out)

[lean fog]

keep in mind tho abb itself is basically dead end too

he woulda been there well after they nuked the overseer which given him and mei yin ended up top even if he lived stabbing he woulda been too hurt to move and still died on surface

[clear hull]

Basically I think Scorched he has a chance, maybe it’s not a high chance but if he goes about it right with his remaining forces he could rebuild and expand, Aberration he’s going down and everything past he wouldn’t stand a chance

[lean fog]

his forces would be scattered all over and they'd have their own break downs further reducing ones left

[clear hull]

A big part is definitely how many forces he has left, again Mei Yin was the primary cause for the Legion being weakened, the Dragon is the other reason but with Mei Yin out of the picture that’d leave them in a stronger position

It depends on how scattered they are like you said and how quick they are to adapt to the new environment, maybe some get lucky and go to really advantageous areas of Scorched, others might be screwed, but bigger numbers increases the likelihood they will be able to regroup

From there I could see them trying to recruit the Scorched native tribes to improve their numbers

[lean fog]

problem is they'd go straight for conquest route and unlike the tribes of island ones on scorched know full well the wrath of the arks and they'd resist the legion violently

once helena and co meet raia and let them know about legion she could just roll over them with her wyvern army which given how religious etc legion was would make it more brutal

[clear hull]

Wyverns would definitely be the Legion Endgoal for Scorched but they wouldn’t be able to pull it off with the numbers even with the most optimal scenarios I think and they do the best they could against The Island Overseer it’d be really rough

I think if they managed to get Wyverns then they’d take over but yeah it’d be really tough to “convince” the Scorched tribes

I can definitely see them threatening them and at that point it’s what they are more scared of, the Legion wiping them out or possibly bringing down the Scorched Overseers wrath

I think the whole scenario entirely depends on how well off they are when getting to Scorched, how many are left and if they are lucky enough to spawn in the more hospitable areas of Scorched

[lean fog]

at best it'd be stragglers

quite a few would succcumb from being on wrong spot and die to weather while others wildlife, and others would prob get reduced from trying to rebuild

all of this with previous ptsd etc over their heads

the legion is basically up a creek without paddle and there's a torrential downpower about to slam in

[dusky hamlet]

Is Bob true tales canon? They just showed a tidepup dossier but (if its canon) how did Helena write it?

[main mural]

not all dossiers are written by helena and its probably the actual notes/story rather then the dinos/items/structures you get that are canon lol

[hollow creek]

the lore we about to get is probably cannon, at least compare to Tall Tales
dossier itself nah

[lean fog]

for most part maybe

wouldn't be shocked if homo deus helena was able to write in the dossier and let it exist but bit random idea so eh

[lyric tendon]

True tales 🤷🏽 (personally not care anymore)

but the tide pup is not, it's like the same level as creature votes, non-story ARK exclusives (like tropeo and amarga) and fantastic tames, the dossier is there as a teaser or a guide than actually lore worthy

[bold dove]

It's the same Helena format as she always uses.
I doubt modern dossiers are suppose to be taken too seriously anymore.

Seriously as in, Helena writing them or not.

[bold dove]

They mentioned Tall Tales was semi-canon.
But they never went into more details on the content, and only mentioned that "What Bob is saying is all bullshit" basically.
Which was obvious.

So content wise, kind of hard to say if the creatures or items like the gene-scanner is canon.

[lyric tendon]

True Tales, not Tall Tales

Which is not out yet until Gen 1

[clear hull]

I feel like the building stuff maybe not, creatures I don’t see why not

[main mural]

tall tales dinos also have dossiers.

pretty sure they said that the stories actually on the ark aren't real. its just that bob is telling meeka them is real we'll have to wait until true tales is actually out to know what part is true. I would say it'll probably be actual stories with the content not being real again

not sure if I explained that right. basically the ark 2 stuff is real, while the ark stories are not we don't know if that will be the same in true tales and we'll just get more ark 2 stuff or what.

[hollow creek]

as right as it can be cause it still so fing confusing

[lyric tendon]

There are some in the dossier are inconsistent with the actual note

[clear hull]

90% of the Ocean Dossiers are incredibly inconsistent

[lyric tendon]

Based on what?

The only ocean creature Helena mentioned in the notes is the Meg

[lean fog]

still say true tales is bob and meekee continuing where LC ended and going on journey to install the codex

[main mural]

the mana's note mention ice wyvern

[lyric tendon]

Neither mentioned in the note in perspective maps so it can be easily considered as not canon

[granite stump]

Or somehow icewyverns existed on scorched for some weird reason

[lyric tendon]

They are exclusive to rag and some non-story ARK so no still

[hollow creek]

They do appear in survive the ark

[late void]

they are also exclusive to valg lock in

[lyric tendon]

which is also a non-story ark

[compact zenith]

They appear on mission as Tiago said alr, so they kinda lore accurate

[hollow creek]

Survive the ark and (maybe some of the genesis 1 mission include non story creatures)

Ice elemental was introduced in val, but made a appearance in the simulation

Is the ice golem cannon now to the main story?

[carmine silo]

iPad 9th Gen runs the game smoothly with stable FPS, but the game forces an extremely low render resolution and completely hides graphics settings.
Please allow users to manually choose graphics quality instead of locking it by device profile.

[scarlet shoal]

Yes that good idea, don't give biggest player base a dlc

That how wildcard work

[golden timber]

Do you mean how close to release?

[thorn sierra]

yea

[tender wasp]

And then people ask me, why I don't wanna get Ark 2 lol

[golden timber]

It's out m8

[azure ferry]

i thouht xbox was the biggest

[ornate hull]

Ita out on xbox

[scarlet shoal]

Ark 2 2096

[tender wasp]

At least I will be dead then XD

[glacial rapids]

.

[quick tangle]

.

[bronze turtle]

damnit wtf now

[ornate hull]

And thus the fall of lore nerds has started

[thorn sierra]

playable tho??

[ornate hull]

Yep

[bronze turtle]

I think we're under attack from #general

[tender wasp]

DL possible for PS and Box

[thorn sierra]

fuck i wish i had my xbox rn

[golden timber]

yeah

[tender wasp]

I have PS but no Ark on it XD

[rotund cairn]

I think the genesis ship is heading towards a new planet after aberration corrputed the earth once more, and that's why on ark 2 trailer we see many moons and a world that doesn't look earthy, and t he reason why there was a simulation is because the homo deus had 2 protocols, the arks, and the genesis ship colony to repopulate somewhere else in case the arks failed, which they did

[azure ferry]

oh

[ornate hull]

The arks didn't fail tho

[azure ferry]

time to leave, im not tryna get spoiled by the ending, everything else idc since ill be playing pvp

[thorn sierra]

damn

[rotund cairn]

well, they didn't but aberration fell along with the rest, spreading even more element

[ornate hull]

That's not confirmed tho

[scarlet shoal]

Stop lying

[gleaming otter]

I'm downloading on steam

[rotund cairn]

That's the only reason i can think of not staying in earth and searching for an other planet, but yeah, nothing's confirmed yet, just my speculation and theories

[gleaming otter]

Downloading mods

[ornate hull]

Yep hopefully they explain it

[golden timber]

Bye guys

[scarlet shoal]

i have 1 question

[gleaming otter]

bye

[golden timber]

I'll be back once I explore gen 2 a bit

[latent fractal]

the genesis ship was made by the feds, the arks by URE.

[tender wasp]

It also can be that Rockwell fled the purge of Element and we need to stop him to rescue the people on the ship.

[scarlet shoal]

Why they launch it without trailer kurwa?

[digital flower]

Good luck

[rotund cairn]

oh, i did not know, i thought both were made by the terran federation. Thanks!

[digital flower]

They want it to be on all platforms first?

[tender wasp]

But maybe we need to watch it cause steam Gen to got delayed until 2077 XD

[ornate hull]

Same ima leave for the rest of today so I can play and do everything in spoilerd

Cya

[latent fractal]

same lol, going to need a wolf to search for the notes

[golden timber]

I'll be back for the trailer tho, can't miss that

[latent fractal]

same

[scarlet shoal]

Kurwa what the hell, this company isn't indie

[balmy storm]

I need steam to make up its mind and update

[gleaming otter]

Still really confused about the trailer

[bold dove]

The game still classifies as 'indie'

[gleaming otter]

Spartan did you find out?

[bold dove]

They're releasing it once all of the official servers goes online

[gleaming otter]

ah, nice

[bold dove]

No.
Christ. Have patience.

[gleaming otter]

I'm sorry, i just really want to know xd

[balmy storm]

Kinda hard when steam isn’t updated

[gleaming otter]

By the looks of it, the Maewing is huge as fuck

[bronze turtle]

I just dont understand what spamming is going to help to speed up the progress

Like you're not going to play gen2, 3k hours

[gleaming otter]

i do understand the frustration if you are a official server pvp guy and can't get on and everyone is stealing the good spots

[thorn sierra]

bro its so open

[latent fractal]

are you online? @thorn sierra

[bronze turtle]

I know 1 thing. My steam is down 😂

[thorn sierra]

nope watching twitch

[eternal patio]

The Twitch streams I'm watching showing Gen2:
TheRoy_TV (no voice/sound)
BonsaiBroz (voice & cam)

[bronze turtle]

How can he play it

[gleaming otter]

xbox'

[arctic bison]

he is console ofc

[balmy storm]

Pretty sure Steam itself forgot to launch the update

[thorn canopy]

One hour and 10 mins have passed 😔

[eternal patio]

I have learned that Steam tends to have issues lol

[real portal]

I want to be surprised so I wont watch it

[bronze turtle]

Steam is always slow

[ornate hull]

Ced just posted that hes awake

[thorn canopy]

Some people got already the dlc

[real portal]

Ya I saw that I'm assuming this means it launches soon

[thorn canopy]

I was about to get the map spoiled

[real portal]

I turned on Bonsai broz for a half second then clicked off

[arctic bison]

Steam is slacking

[ebon plover]

Cedric is awake praise Cedric 😏

[real portal]

Steam is normally slow to release updates. I've had this issue across multiple games so ya it sucks

[thorn canopy]

Some people are already playing it

[gleaming otter]

idk the server owner of the server i am going to play on is having really low expectations.. I don't know if i should switch to another server with more optimistic people xd

[dusty onyx]

I’m staying here with the risk of a spoiler

[real portal]

I wouldn't worry about it unless it becomes a huge problem

[dusty onyx]

Hoping nitrado hauls some ass soon

[real portal]

Cedric is talking about the trailer saying "Where is it"

[dusty onyx]

Lmao he is

[real portal]

ya

[tulip umbra]

?

[dusty onyx]

No images in here? Surprised

70% yay

[real portal]

He responded to someone saying "Timing updates on console and PC to the exact minute is challenging. It's on the way"

[gleaming otter]

0% yay

i just want to see the dope trailer, i can wait for the game xd

[ebon plover]

@real portal where you seeing this?

[azure ferry]

twitter

[real portal]

I use tweet deck. It's twitter but better

[balmy storm]

Steam needs to fix itself and decide to release the update

[gleaming otter]

i just want to see the trailer

[tender wasp]

I think a lot of PC players are pissed cause we had to wait for verification for the consoles (PS I guess) and now we have no update at all.

[arctic bison]

we are rightfully pissed

[balmy storm]

and steam is being stupid and not distrubting the update

[latent fractal]

Ced just replied on his twitter saying where is trailer😂 so hopefully we'll get it soon

[gleaming otter]

yea i believe pc people are able to be just alittle mad :/

[real portal]

I'm not going to complain about it I know it's steam fault and there's nothing we or the devs can do at this time

[balmy storm]

We can murder steam

[scarlet shoal]

si·mul·ta·ne·ous·ly
/ˌsīməlˈtānēəslē/
adverb
at the same time.

[gleaming otter]

? xD

[balmy storm]

Steam is the problem not Wildcard

[bronze turtle]

I still can't download the actual DLC itself

[tender wasp]

I would say it is both ends.

[bronze turtle]

I can download the update and it's almost finished, but the DLC isn't available to download

[thorn canopy]

Xbox players are playing the DLC while we are here doing nothing :/

[real portal]

This doesn't mean anything since console and steam are two separate verification that aren't even correlated. They also use the term very freely so it could be within the hour or not. not much they can do with steam

[bronze turtle]

I don't think PS4 can play but I'll have to see

[bitter crater]

i forgot this channel is always slower - how you doing people (don't mention the few letters with a colon and a digit)?

[tender wasp]

Drawing, cause no Ark anyways lol

[bronze turtle]

hi Alex

[real portal]

knowing steam I would say we are within the next hour of release. I could be wrong but more than likely we see it in the next 2 hours

[bitter crater]

don't forget to post it 🤭

[bronze turtle]

my ARK is done updating in about 15 minutes but I don't think I can play because the DLC isn't available to download yet

[bitter crater]

Hello Stasis Warlock Wizard!

[tender wasp]

still only working on the blueline scribbles and need to see if I can post it here XD

[bitter crater]

Steam doesn't require certification, but there's a prolly thing that needs to be done before the official network is redeployed.

[thorn canopy]

Hey Alex, will you spoil yourself everything to update the wiki ?

[balmy storm]

Petiton to Attack Steam

[bitter crater]

i always do

[thorn canopy]

Well, the map is alrdy out

[bitter crater]

i heard all the corrupted master controller voice lines first, right after Wildcard hehe

[thorn canopy]

Lol

[bitter crater]

yeah i heard, on PS4. still waiting for a PC deployment to start with data digging

[gleaming otter]

Is there more stuff then shown already?

[thorn canopy]

Good luck and thnx for the amazing wiki

[bitter crater]

perhaps

[gleaming otter]

Sheeeeesh

[tender wasp]

I will spoil myself tomorrow. Bet there will be some allready cheatkilling the boss

[bitter crater]

i'm planning a few extra things compared to Gen1 launch if everything goes right.

[real portal]

I'll steal a quote for a second, "In the land of the blind"

[bitter crater]

kinda need to tame the script first

[balmy storm]

Yeah... Once they figure out how to get to the boss lol

[tender wasp]

yeah XD. I bet we need missions for it

[thorn canopy]

We do

[real portal]

First thing I do is take a fly around the map just to see it and take a look at all the stuff anyone else do that

[bitter crater]

ooh and missions are spiced up this round 😅

[balmy storm]

Ive got a godly tek suit in my Data ima use to look around

[brisk oyster]

GEN ON PC !!! PLS !!! THX!!!

[balmy storm]

wat

[tender wasp]

hopefully, cause they were super boring and grindy on Gen 1

[real portal]

I just use creative it works just as well

[gleaming otter]

nah man