lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Like, I'm sorry. But that's not really possible if you've looked at how Meeka looks.

[vital plume]

Ehh we're talking about the game where element turned people into Eldtrich horrors some modifications to someone isn't a stretch

[bold dove]

Narratively a copout.

[calm lark]

Can someone explain why there are no flyers on abb
Apart from the big ones like quetz and tropes
Smaller ones like pts and pelagornis

Apart from map design. Ark has shown to have a lore explanation for everything

[bold dove]

Basically just the new design the ARK has.
Tek jetpacks for some reason started to malfunction whenever used after the Tek tribe blew up the Overseer.

So, not really confirmed as to 'why'.
But probably the same reason as the Tek jetpacks, which I'd assume would be punishment for using such advance stuff to destroy the ARK's Overseer.
Or every flier just got Thanos snapped on the surface the moment the dome went down.

[calm lark]

I thought they said that most of the creatures that were fast enough got into the caves before going extinct
Hence why spinos spawn and rexes don't

[bold dove]

Everything on the surface died.

The ARK just reworked the entire ecosystem to be underground to make it still sustainable.

[calm lark]

Oh. I might need to go and reread the lore again😪

[strong heart]

Watch them pull a fast one and have the lost king be a corrupted form of Santiago.

[bold dove]

Not voiced by Vin Diesel.

[calm lark]

Can someone explain if the abberation exclusive creatures like rock drakes and reapers and karkinos and roll rats and the likes were part of the ark or mutations due to element

And also. Why are rock drakes or dinosaurs really. On extinction. Since its earth

[hollow creek]

both reaper, drakes and dinos existed on earth before the corruption spread

[calm lark]

Oh. That means the only mutation of some sorts on abberation are abberant dinos?

[hollow creek]

probably, reapers existed in the cloning area of the command station of ab

not a rockwell creation like most assume

[calm lark]

I saw smth about all the mythical creatures were just the scientists playing around with dna and stuff
They said griffins were a result of this

[calm lark]

What about nameless?

[hollow creek]

griffin only cannon to survive the ark on gen2

[calm lark]

Hmm alr

[mental basin]

A lot of the fantasy Creatures you see in ARK were either made by the URE long, long ago

Or they were just made by the ARK at some point

The Aberrant Creatures specifically, like the ones with the prefix 'Aberrant' are just a result of the liquid Element seeping through Aberration, as confirmed by Rockwell pretty early on.

Just kinda how liquid of that volume would work. Despite it being at the very bottom of the ARK, it'd inevitably seep up in small amounts over a long time.

[bold dove]

Reapers in fact did not exist before Ab, or Corruption spreading

If we're to take what Marc said in a reddit QnA still canon.
Reapers and Nameless where both made by the ARK's directly after Santiago nuked the station.

[random quiver]

Did the ark predict everything that happened after that?

[bold dove]

It just adapted/made new stuff as it kept degrading.

[calm lark]

But I thought it was destroyed with the explosion
The obelisk were destroyed right?

[bold dove]

You literally see two floating just fine in-game.

[calm lark]

Its been a while since I played abb😪

[bold dove]

Actually, my bad. They're all three still floating. Just one has survivor-made machinery on them.

[calm lark]

And I have another question
Why is it possible to fall of the earth in extinction
At first. I thought extinction was a broken ark without the barriers 😭

[bold dove]

Also, Stel can correct me. But if I recall, the Obelisks don't make direct decisions on what creatures are placed on their ARK's.
The new (new as in ASA's release) Obelisks have tek-text on them, calling them sentinels.
Which means they're all-seeing-eyes that keep watch and guard the station for any survivors doing little pranks.

[bold dove]

That's only the bottom side of the map. Which is a giant-ass crater.

That's because an ARK came from the crater.

And as seen in Extinction's ending, you can see it, as well as every other ARK, returning back to Earth

[calm lark]

Aren't the sentinels the homo deus basically?

[indigo tartan]

Hi, I have a question: Is there a list of how long the servers will remain available? The Island server 5312 is supposed to be shut down. Can anyone give me more information about that?

[calm lark]

Oh alr

[bold dove]

Not the channel

[bold dove]

No, they can't do jack shit.

They be ghosts

With every downside of not being physical anymore.

Can't even fucking eat mac & cheese anymore.

[calm lark]

Damn😪

[calm lark]

The way they explained the homo deus to me was that they were the watchers of the arks and stuff
But since they were humans minds processing infinite time. They basically lost themselves and became useless

[bold dove]

Like, they can watch over. But they can't do anything.
Homo-Deus was just the third means to escape from the Corruption.
One that, ultimately, was the worse fate.

[calm lark]

Well that's unfortunate

[bold dove]

ARK's are all self-moderated by AI's.
Either that from the Obelisks, Overseer's, or The System itself.

The Overseer's are what you're probably more thinking of.
They're the ones that watch over their ARK's and decide what-is-what with it.

[calm lark]

So the overseer caused the village wipe on scorched?

How have I even forgotten the name of the village😪

[bold dove]

Nosti

[bold dove]

Yeah.
Again, Stel can correct me.
But the Obelisks saw the shit going on at Nosti (or the lack of) and the Obelisks threw shit like Mantises and earthquakes after them, to act as a warning.
Nosti just adapted to those issues, and the Overseer directly decided to rip a giant ass scar on the ARK, summoning a new species (wyverns).
That didn't work as well.
So it decided "fuck it" and just sunk the entire city like Rapture from Bioshock.

[calm lark]

Petty ass obelisks

Now. How tf did rockwell find his way from abb to gen 2🫩

I think he was on gen 1?

[calm lark]

I thought he was forever stuck as abb's new overseer

[bold dove]

Gen1 is just a computer simulation (the Genesis Simulation) which is directly on Gen2 (the Colony ship.)

[bold dove]

Extinction.

[calm lark]

Ye but all the glitches and stuff were him right?

[calm lark]

So abberation came down?

[bold dove]

'All' the ARK's did

[calm lark]

I mean. It was a broken ark😪

[bold dove]

No exceptions.

[calm lark]

Hmm alr

[bold dove]

That was also the crashed remains of the Aberrant ARK at the end of the alpha ending for Extinction.

[bold dove]

Most.
Some where caused by idiots.

[calm lark]

Lol

Also. Why no fliers in gen 1?

[bold dove]

Because Wildcard decided.

[calm lark]

Oh. I thought it also had a reason like abberation

[bold dove]

Nope.
Map has fliers.

Just can't ride on them.

It's actually the first map to have tamable flier variants.

Just not usable.

[calm lark]

Flyer variants?

[bold dove]

X-Argentavis.

[calm lark]

I deadass havent seen those

[calm lark]

Also
How did the r and x creatures come about

[bold dove]

Also has X-Tapejara

[bold dove]

Because Wildcard decided.

They looked cool

[calm lark]

🫩 wildcard gimme more lore explanations
I like what they did with abberant creatures

[bold dove]

R-ones though if I recall do slightly have lore.
X-ones are purely for shits and giggles, probably in-universe as well. Since they're just digital versions of the real world (to the game) versions of creatures.
If I recall, the R-variants on the Eden side have just adapted to the ecosystem on the ring.
The ones on the Rockwell ring have just adapted to the crazy ass shit Rockwell has been doing over there.

[calm lark]

But wait
If abberation came down to
Wouldn't the other arks have cleansed the element from it along with rockwell?

[bold dove]

Not if the Aberrant ARK was meant to cleanse the area around itself.

And, you know.

Failed.

[calm lark]

Oh. So it only cleanes the ones around itself
Horrible design ure

[bold dove]

Yeah, the URE and Federation's where kind of fucking idiots.

Average politician moment.

Making idiotic decisions so better people have to clean up their mess.

[calm lark]

Still thinking about politics when the equivalent of monster verse is outside your dourstep😪

[bold dove]

To be fair, it'd be more like Call of Duty: Zombies, or World-War Z.
Titans didn't form until after most life was already extinct.

[calm lark]

The earth was on its way to a Tupac concert
And they still being dumb about it😪

[bold dove]

Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun is probably the best depiction I can think of, of how the end state of the Element War looked like.

[calm lark]

Ill check it out
Thanks for your help today

[bold dove]

FYI, it's the sequel to the first C&C game. Just called "Command & Conquer"
It's an RTS game, so do keep that in mind if that's a problem.

[vital plume]

Ah yes the infinite war

[sturdy elk]

do the ark maps have names outside of what the dlc's call them

[bold dove]

No

Well, kind of.

Island is literally "The" Island, or the "ARK".
Scorched, Ab, and Ext don't name their general location. Just Points of Interests in them.
Gen1 is the Genesis Simulation.
Gen2 is the Colony Ship.

[sturdy elk]

So the main Arks would be referred to as just Arks

[rain heart]

Genuine debate, but The king titan or the titans has to be at some constant state of pain with the corrupted/corruption nodules embedded inside of them

And plus the fact their the last of their kind can prove this,cause the element killed off the rest off the titans. Even ones in harsh environments

[bold dove]

Yerp

[bold dove]

Probably not.

[rain heart]

But the element killed off the rest of the population?

[bold dove]

The titans ARE Element.

[bold dove]

No, Mei-Yin did

Because they're direct physical manifestation of the Corruption hivemind.
Them being animals is a huge misconception that came from nowhere.

The titans, are by all accounts. The cloests you can get to objective evil.

Because they feel nothing but rage and malice for all life.

The One Who Waits directly states this

Corrupted creatures though are infected.

[rain heart]

Something isnt a monster for how it feels. Just on how its thoughts are truly are

[bold dove]

And their thoughts are to kill you.
That's their nature, as that's all they where made for by the Corruption.

[rain heart]

The corruption is in control, no? Until we shoot off the nodules

[bold dove]

It's not that philosophically deep.
They're narratively are just evil, and where written and are portrayed as such.

[rain heart]

The literal way we tame them

[bold dove]

They ARE Corruption.

[bold dove]

You lobotomize them by doing so.

[rain heart]

I forgot some stuff abt lore of ark

[bold dove]

Of course it's not going to kill you if you destroy the parts of their nature that links them to the hivemind.
That's like taking a bad person, and scrambling their brain until they no longer have those urges.

[rain heart]

Hold up, is it just me or like

Do yall also see killers in ark as cute. Like megaraptor or Carch’s

Cause idk why something about the designs make em cute

Especially how dumb the forward view of them look

[bold dove]

Well, 'those' are actual animals by the end of the day.
They do hunt for sports, but so do most intelligent predators.
We've been desensitized do the fact dogs are still major predators. And can rip off your throat at any moment if they 'reaaaaally' wanted to.

So like, yeah. It's normal to think those things are cute.

[rain heart]

I didn’t specify the specs as “those”
i call em Killers cause they’re the main thing keeping overspawn down

[bold dove]

That's fair.

[rain heart]

One time i came across a herd of 29 bison cause we decided to kill the predators

Cause we needed trophies for bosses

On rag

[random quiver]

I've seen videos of 50 something beavers just hanging out

[quaint marsh]

That's probably just overspawn, but yeah, the herbivores do tend to multiply once you kill off their competitors

It's nice that you can kill off most of the carnivores in your area and live in peace and quiet

[random quiver]

Where did gas bags actually come from?

[bold dove]

Element-infused tardigrades.

[random quiver]

Ok it's just weird how big they are

[bold dove]

Element moment

[random quiver]

Managarmr and velonosaur are even more unrealistic than gasbags. What are they?

[main steppe]

Element monster

If there’s a mutated thing on earth that wasn’t on the previous ark’s, it’s very likely either a fully element creature (the titans) or a mutated creature

[random quiver]

Ok so like small titans or something?

I'm thinking velonosaur is like a dilo with spines instead of venom

[golden citrus]

you think rockwell will be in lost colony or nah

[mortal hedge]

i hope so

[golden citrus]

if he is this might be the biggest map yet

imagine exploring the frozen wastes and a aberration zone as big as well, Aberration

[mental basin]

Manas are snow leopards.

Velonosaurs are likely just something the Desert ARK spat out a long time ago that eventually formed a symbiosis with Element.

[mental basin]

He's already been teased lol

[bold dove]

Anything Element related is unrealistic.

[main mural]

can't believe my space bio-dome dinosaur and fantasy creature game is unrealistic

[solemn linden]

Personally, I think the theories that Manas are descended from felines or canines are incorrect. There's just way too many differences. I think Helena is probably right in thinking that they are related to wyverns. I sent a message in here ages ago breaking down my reasoning for that so I can link it if you'd like.

[random quiver]

I know, I was just saying tardigrades are real but flying wolf leopard wyvern things aren't.

[lusty mist]

I see a dragon type on each dlc map, including genesis (magmasaur).
So to me this makes more sense than a feline.

[barren echo]

rockwell is everywhere

[true flower]

What came first the dodo or the egg?

[random quiver]

Dodo

They have to spawn in before they can lay eggs

[bold dove]

Ah, but the genetic chambers of the ARK's had to incubate those dodo's for them to first appear on an ARK.

[tough egret]

but how did they spawn if they didnt come from an egg

and how did the egg incubate if there wasnt good temp

[magic roost]

Did the devs ever specify state the actual size of the creatures in ARK ?

[random quiver]

Are the ark creatures actually physical or simulations like genesis

Or some kind of real simulation that exists digitally but also physically

I lost myself there

[hollow creek]

physical

full on living and breathing

[bold dove]

[pure cipher]

||Wait, how does Rockwell have human explorer notes that will be on lc (post-reseed protocol)?||

[hollow creek]

maybe in the crashing, he backed the overseer verion into a human body

[bold dove]

Where is that confirmed?

[hollow creek]

Syntac stream

[bold dove]

I'm gonna assume they ||might be redoing some of Genesis lore, and adding his new body part of the lore to LC.||

Because on Gen2 (this is old lore) it confirms his Prime body is a new one, away from his Aberration/original now husk of a body.

Genesis I'd say is the ||most divided lore with the lore side of the community.
So them changing stuff may be for the better||

Watching the reveal now

Oh wait, I think I know.

Ooooooooohhh

Ooooooooooooh yeah

Okay, let me write it down.

[pure cipher]

||In the note shown Rockwell shows the element overtaking his consciousness already after the crash. I’m curious to see when and how he is now in a different, human body.||

[bold dove]

Spoiler that.

[pure cipher]

Meant to lol. Also ||interactions between Mei Yin and Rockwell will be more interesting now imo.||

[bold dove]

||So, what I think is that Ab Rockwell died in the crash.
Arat Prime, if they're going to keep respawning canon, is bound to have a respawn-like protocol.
So his engramic matrix was likely uploaded to a new body after his death in the crash, and now he's human.
Rockwell's character arc here seems to be him having amnesia, either from having his mind scrambled from just respawning, The System trying to repress his Corruption, or Element purposely leaving his mind blank, so it can have minimal direct influence to him. Allowing him to recreate what he did on Ab, and go into temptation again.
Obviously the more demonic voice is either Element, or him before the crash/Ab Rockwell.
Or, another theory I just thought of as writing this down. Is the voice IS the Aberrant Rockwell, that transferred his consciousness to a now new Rockwell body. Issue is, the body also has a conscious of its own.||

[hushed ravine]

||Maybe the reason rockwell prime looks so different to aberration rockwell is due to him using red element in lc?||

[pure cipher]

||I think both are viable. I like to believe more so what you theorize that Rockwell now has a conscious that was transferred when he died, and one now with his human body. I feel like because of this is why Rockwell will inevitably link to the lifeboat on Arat Prime as a means of spreading and expanding his “will”. Now I wonder if he will end up joining one of the factions (vampires… URE?.. etc.) on lc. Maybe just forming an alliance before he is fully overcome by corruption, and gains a more available access to element (yet again) which then plays on with Gen 1 and Gen 2. I wonder, because of this, if the red element-infested survivors in one of the previous teasers for lc a few months back were inspiration for the mutated survivors on Gen 2. Now that Rockwell is confirmed to be human at the start of lc there’s a lot of unknowns, and imo that’s a good thing in this case. It will explain the rest of the lore with Gen 1 and Gen 2 better I believe. ||

[pure cipher]

||I think that’s a good reason why. I assume that will be explained in some form. Also, with the revealed lc Rockwell note showing a split conscious, between his transferred self and new body, it reminds me of the antechamber on Gen 2 with all of his talking heads. Some saying different voice lines directed at the survivor, about Charlotte, etc.||

[clever junco]

||so is Rockwell the creator of the ossidon? Or at least the dossier? I can see how that ties to his creations in his garden but is it him confirmed in any way?||

||or where can I read that note reveal?||

||because I was thinking that Rockwell having a split mind after the crash is what would have helped him get into Gabriel’s mind on the genesis ship||

[pure cipher]

||If I had to guess I would say it’s probably the “Lost King”. As far as I know we don’t know much about this new antagonist but from how the writer of the dossier gives some outside information (Such as “our mounted forces”, “our peacekeepers and guardians”, and “biotech teams are laboring”). To me it sounds like it’s likely the Lost King. I don’t think it could be Rockwell because of also the initial reveal of the Ossidon stating that it was a mutation gone wrong, and their purpose was to defend and fight titans. So, the ossidon in my mind couldn’t of been created by Rockwell since the titans are already dead post-extinction as blue element was purged from the earth, in the areas affected by the reseed protocol. Thus only red element was left as I believe.||

[bold dove]

||No, it seems to had been made by the Arat Prime residence||

[bold dove]

Spoilers

[bold dove]

||Don't forget the end of the note gives it away that it's probably the Lost King.
Dude threatens to use the Ossidon on anyone going against the writer.||

[clever junco]

||okay that makes sense I don’t know that much about the lost king, I know a lot of the lore but I don’t really know that much besides it’s arat prime for lc but I thought it was Rockwell because of “And should any of my subjects – my esteemed colleagues – feel tempted to challenge my rule, the Ossidons under my command would prove to be an effective deterrent…” I see how it’s definitely the lost king but at first it sounded like Rockwell to me||

||specifically the my esteemed colleagues||

[pure cipher]

||Forgot about the few extra parts in the community crunch. But yes it definitely supports the case for it being the Lost King as the writer of the ossidon dossier, and probably the rest of the new dossiers on lc based on the “Arat Prime Fauna Data”. ||

||Oh, and with the saddle design being made of red element supports the case that the same faction as the Lost King (I suspect the vampire-faction) created and took control of the ossidons as mentioned in the dossier. ||

[summer trench]

what is the lore?

[bold dove]

Want a TL;DR of it, or a thorough breakdown?

[waxen flame]

explain in one sentence

[bold dove]

Element make tech become Tek, and causes global warming 2x.

[waxen flame]

thanks

[gusty turret]

Walter white dust makes evil tentacle hivemind and people leave

[summer trench]

yes

[summer trench]

is extinction actually earth or is it still in the simulation

[bold dove]

It's actually Earth.

[bold dove]

Yes on...what?

[summer trench]

so we got to earth and then we get of and go to THE ark

[bold dove]

No.

[summer trench]

for info?

[bold dove]

What do you mean by "the" ARK?

Arat Prime?

[summer trench]

genesis part 2

[bold dove]

That's a ship

[summer trench]

oh

[bold dove]

The Island, Scorched, and Aberration are on ARK's.
Extinction is on a dead Earth.
Lost Colony is (presumably) set on a now recovering Earth.
Genesis 1 is in a simulation.
Genesis 2 is on a giant ass colony ship that the simulation was created on.

[summer trench]

a earth?

[bold dove]

"on dead Earth" wouldn't exactly be grammatically correct. (given, that hasn't stopped me from fucking up.)

[summer trench]

oh

[granite stump]

It’s essentially devoid of any human life which is the main thing. Dinosaurs still run around but that’s due to the systems left behind in sanctuary causing them to spawn and accidentally feed into the corruption

[granite stump]

||This would imply they might be used during the boss fight with the lost king which is horrifying to think about-||

[random quiver]

I thought lost colony was just on the other side of earth. What you said would be right though

Also, is red element actually different or just a different color

[granite stump]

It is, it would of been impossible for Mei yin to reach it otherwise

[granite stump]

It’s presumably a whole different variant of element that has some very drastic differences between the normal/corrupted stuff and the blue element certain creatures on extinction has

[vital plume]

I wonder if it's going to have its own version of the corruption

Being a variant of element and because of that it has a unique version of corruption

[granite stump]

||Its possibly the reason why Rockwell looks different, he may have gained red element into his system and is using both since the normal corruption was affecting the survivors still in cryosleep||

[versed geyser]

Lore nerd 🤔

[arctic bronze]

Any theories on “Red Element”?🤔

[granite stump]

It was created by the lost king to act as an escape from being corrupted. The people of arat prime shunned him and likely kept him out of the genesis ship and he ended up letting it loose in Arat prime which caused major damage

[bold dove]

And he seems to be a dictator.

Assuming the writer of the Ossidon dossier is him.

[granite stump]

It’s likely after he took over arat prime and that’s why he talks like that

[snow hedge]

From the look of the dossier being completely different from the previous notes look (which could just be cosmetic for the sake of the crunch) but it would be epic if lost colony had computer terminal hubs or structure we could craft where we could check out different tames or info. Make it more tech instead of primitive since there's an established civilization.

[bold dove]

Genesis 1-2 has similar digital dossiers that never made it into the final game. So we'll see on this one.

[frank herald]

This rockwell note changes A LOT
Is he... ALIVE? Is this what he meant by he will find a way out of death in genesis 2?

It HAS to be right? It did say he felt like a monstrosity before dosnt remember it

[warped herald]

No I think he just put his psyche in a clone version of himself before he went insane and each time when he falls asleep rock well will push Edmond to the pushing brain quarry Edmund stuck inside his own body while Rockwell controls the meat suit

[vague pilot]

seems like he's suffering from a form of Split-Personality disorder, almost like he's internally fighting what he became on Aberration, really interesting

it's the first time we've seen him so.. human in years, i like the sound of it

[frank herald]

Or his monstrous form made a clone of himself and somehow transferred his will into it allbeit not his memories

[vague pilot]

explains his confusion, and goes to show that element will just corrupt and taint everything, even memories and consciousness

[frank herald]

I dont think it is split personality disorder it dosnt fit

I think its LITERALLY rockwell reincarnated without his memories as a last ditch effort to let his will survive

Probably created it and stored it in a hibernation pod inside of a drop ship like seen in the ark 2 stuff and sent it to the nearest ark (lost colony)

@vague pilot

Which also explains the crater and the debris surrounding him in his note

[main steppe]

It’ll be interesting to see how this’ll connect to Gen 1 and 2, because the Rockwell we’re seeing here has an intact, healthy body

[agile ocean]

I can only assume the element is about to just start hitting him with the Cordyceps techniques at this point to keep him alive as a host. I've gotta say Rockwell getting revealed to have immediately tried to kill himself after Aberration's crash was completely unexpected but also completely understandable, like he's at least 3 mass murders in at this point

[vague pilot]

Theoretically if he made himself a clone while his brain was still tainted with element it would certainly explain how his insanity is still vaguely present within him, and how he respawned on Lost Colony is still a mystery considering he's now landed on earth unscathed from the ARK crashing. It's interesting.

[frank herald]

Wait he landed on earth?

[vague pilot]

Yeah his idea of wanting to just give up and die was surprising

[vague pilot]

Lost Colony takes place on the other side of earth

[frank herald]

OH

[vague pilot]

It's technically an Extinction Sequel

[frank herald]

So yeah maybe he was on the ark in storage before it crashed

[vague pilot]

While we completed extinction and made the ARKs return home, aberration crash landed due to it being faulty and that's why there's a big crater with debris surrounding him

[frank herald]

Wait so is lost colony taking place AFTER the events of extinction

[main steppe]

Yeah, it’s in between extinction and gen 1

[agile ocean]

I don't even think he's particularly mentally ill in terms of committing all the war crimes I think him injecting the living metal into his veins probably just. Took him over. Bro got 5 seconds of freedom and tried to escape

[frank herald]

So why is there element in lost colony

[agile ocean]

The reseed protocol just didn't reach there

[vague pilot]

Yes, Lost Colony is a city/station on the other side of earth named Arat Prime that was used to create the Genesis colony ship as a last resort in case the ARK strategy failed,

[agile ocean]

And also aberration crash landed. There's a lot of element in that ark

[vague pilot]

Reseed protocol didn't hit every spot of the earth and left some places still tainted with element

[main steppe]

The reseed protocol likely doesn’t recognize Red Element as a target

[vague pilot]

it basically undone all our work when you think of it yeah

[frank herald]

Abb also crash landed?? That HAD to have happened after extinction right?

[agile ocean]

Yeah it happened in the reseed protocol. Extinction end credits

[bold dove]

He would have to, since this is set before Gen1

[vague pilot]

Have you watched the Extinction ending after defeating the ALPHA King Titan?

[bold dove]

You see the crashed ARK on the Alpha ascension for Extinction

[frank herald]

Woe

[vague pilot]

If not, give it a look it's a brief but good cutscene

[agile ocean]

Tbh I thought earth was cooked right from the end of extinction like. Thatssssss a lot of very active corruption

[main steppe]

Wait wait wait, I’m remembering something
That guy. That guy from Gen 2. The prospector.

He had two sets of memories in his head wrestling for control

[bold dove]

You see Earth heal at the end

[frank herald]

Wait dosnt this mean the king titan could also be back

[bold dove]

Gabriel, yeah.

[main steppe]

Because the ark screwed up when it revived him

[agile ocean]

He was a glitch in the system, from Santiago's gen 2 notes

[vague pilot]

The way the city collapsed under the island and plant growth started appearing made me think we truly done it, but the alpha post cutscene changed my view of that instantly

[main steppe]

So it’s possible the same thing happened here

[bold dove]

No, the King Titan was slain by us.
And the Corruption levels on Earth now are too low for titans to form.

[frank herald]

Iirc the king titan was a manifestation of the corruption and not a technically fully mortal being

[agile ocean]

It's immediately after that that we see the abb crash reveal

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[main steppe]

The Ark tried to revive Rockwell, but ended up making a Rockwell that had the memories of old Rockwell AND an untarnished Rockwell

[bold dove]

No, it is.
It ran away from Mei-Yin out of fear of its own mortality.

[vague pilot]

I haven't dug too deeply into the lore but is there any history behind the Kaijus and what they were originally before the element fused with them?

or did they just

appear?

[frank herald]

By that i mean aslong as theres enough element i dont think they can be TRULY killed

[agile ocean]

King titan was solely element, Rockwell/prime is a human host corrupted. I treat it like Cordyceps especially the way the corruption works like spores

[bold dove]

They ARE Element basically.

[bold dove]

Sure, but that'd require more then LC probably has.
A new planet-wide war would need to happen.

[frank herald]

If theres enough element im pretty sure the titans can come back

[frank herald]

True

[vague pilot]

It's wild how the manifestation of element is literally just godzilla himself, i love that

[bold dove]

All four Titans are solely Element.

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[agile ocean]

And he injected ACTIVE, MOLTEN CORRUPTED ELEMENT directly into his veins which. Just. Yeah that was a terrible idea really just do crack like a normal Englishman buddy

[frank herald]

I wonder if earths rotation will come back since the extremly large amounts of element is now gone

Also makes you wonder tho. Why do rock drakes and reapers exist?

[bold dove]

It has.
Since all traces of Element (outside of around Arat Prime is seems) are gone, that means there's nothing holding/cooling the Earth's core. Allowing it to rotate.
Also Helena at the end does say "the suns rising" which is only possible with rotations.

[frank herald]

Ohhhhh right

[bold dove]

Both are made by the Aberrant ARK.

[frank herald]

Why were they even made? It had to be designed like that before the UV shield broke

[bold dove]

If we're going off of what Marc Soskin said. (the original writer)

[main steppe]

I like to think the aberrant ark’s overseer was a big fan of Alien.

[agile ocean]

I think drakes are an ark creation like wyverns and reapers existed prior to Rockwell I think? Aberration always had very hefty caves even before the UV shield

[bold dove]

Reapers where probably exactly like wyverns.
As a punishment to survivors fucking with The System.

[frank herald]

It was killed before the collapse

The abberation overseer was destroyed after the survivors blew up one of the teee towers of the ark

Which is also why the surface is like that

[agile ocean]

Yeah overseers evidently don't do well with being nuked. We have 2 examples of that now 😭

[bold dove]

Rock Drakes where probably just made as an natural equalizer to Reapers. To make Reapers still seem semi-natural, while allowing the ARK to punish the people on it for blowing up the Overseer.

[frank herald]

But why is abberation the only ark like that

[bold dove]

To make creatures?

[agile ocean]

Shield generator go bye bye

[frank herald]

Besides scorched ofc

[bold dove]

To what?

[agile ocean]

Just very intense solar rays

[main steppe]

It’s possible other arks are like this, or have encountered survivors doing something like that. We just don’t play on those ones

[frank herald]

Make completely new creatures like that

Scorched being the exception because most of it comes from mythology

[bold dove]

Also, it's just a theory. But it's possible that the Giga's was The Islands response to the New Legion.

[agile ocean]

If anything the island is the exception all the others are the ones that have the weird stuff lol

Not to mention the Genesis simulations

[frank herald]

Also how do reapers survive on the surface? They shouldnt have been able to survive it if they were made before the surface was screwed

[agile ocean]

They probably just have high radiation resistance, element is clearly radioactive so they'd have a reason to be resistant down in the molten element caverns

[bold dove]

Because probably for different themes of the ARK's.
Island has prehistoric creatures, so it'd use those as any punishment.
Scorched is mythological-like, so it'd use mythology creatures.
Aberration is fucked up, so the ARK probably just adapted to the new cave-like structure the ARK supports now for its creatures.

[agile ocean]

Caves were always there iirc so it's more just. A mostly subterranean ark

[frank herald]

A lot of evidence points to reapers and rock drakes aswell as seekers being made after the overseer was destroyed which the only way thats possible is for groups of the same creatures to be exposed to the element and were actually able to breed into a new species

[bold dove]

Believe it's stated they expanded larger after the Overseer was destroyed. But could be wrong

[agile ocean]

I think it's just that the people moved down into the extensive caverns that had been mostly unexplored before then?

[bold dove]

The ARK's can just make new creatures. 🤷

[frank herald]

The overseer is well the overseer of the arks they basically are the controller

[agile ocean]

Yeah a large portion of the arks is adaptability given they're partially a testing ground for the reseed protocol. They can do all sorts of things. The overseer probably isn't the sole controller of everything

Bros the store manager but there's plenty of other employees doing the physical work is what I'm saying

[bold dove]

'buzzer sound'
Overseers 'oversee' their ARK, and make sure everything is doing what it needs to do. Like a Warden.
But The System itself has the final say over any Overseer.

[frank herald]

Makes me wonder who the boss of lost colony will be

[agile ocean]

I'm fairly certain theres people running that place, and they probably built their own system so I'd say that?
Funny option is just Rockwell again

[frank herald]

Or we have to battle multiple of his creations

[agile ocean]

I don't think he's really much of an antagonist here given he seems um. A bit otherwise occupied

[frank herald]

Yeahhh

[agile ocean]

The one blue eye in gen 2 prime form makes sense now though. I mean it was always fairly clear to me that the human person was still buried in there

[bold dove]

Lost King is probably the end boss

If we're to assume he's the one that wrote the Ossidon dossier, seems like he's a bit of a dictator.

[agile ocean]

Yeah I guess he's probably also consumed massive amounts of element because a small human sized boss would be impossible for an ark boss LOL
Rockwell watching some other guy also inject himself with element only to get immediately obliterated by the player survivor like 🧍

[bold dove]

Remember, vampires.

He's probably decently large, or has his own army we'll have to get through

[agile ocean]

Yeah but vampires don't usually get ark-boss big
But they're ark vampires they can do whatever

[bold dove]

Depends also how they're handling bosses on this map.

[agile ocean]

Either way it's established they're element fuelled which just gets really funny knowing Rockwell is involved

[bold dove]

Jeremy confirmed in his QnA with Raas, that a lot of the LC mechanics are recreations of ARK-2 concepts.

So, we might see more personalize/1v1 bosses on this map. And less zerg rushing with dinos.

[agile ocean]

That scares me just because I remember corrupted master controller
Then again I did that on a dying Xbox one so that made it... A bit more difficult

[bold dove]

Which, if they can make it fun with the current system. I'd be down for the Lost King to be a Ganondorf type of duel.

[agile ocean]

Lost king when I pull out an ascendant pump shotgun with absolutely no regard for ammo count

Overall I'm very excited for LC's potential especially after they hit one of my favorite characters with the suicidal beam lmaoooo. Another one down

[heavy sandal]

lost colony boss could be more like cmc and gen2, waves of thralls and their tames, then a final phase where its whats left of your army vs Lost King on his perfected Ossidon

that way we dont have to fight just another giant man

[main steppe]

A one on one duel with a sci fi Keith David vampire would definitely make it into the top 5 ark moments

[light slate]

Lost King and Lost Queen (Mei Yin) is who I’d wager

[granite stump]

I haven’t read down yet so I apologize for the @ but to clarify…

Lost colony is between extinction and genesis part 1.

This new Rockwell aka Edmund is seemingly a clone of the original clone which became the aberration overseer and has both this new fresh Edmund mind but also the mind of Rockwell which isn’t new. We had a gen 2 character with a very similar personality disorder due to 2 different minds coming into one body. This Edmund isn’t the exact same as the Rockwell we met and fought but he’s going down a dark path which may result in him infecting himself with red element and becoming more flesh body horror then his old purple like tentacle monster state

[bold dove]

Think from now on, just so we can give a difference to either the personalities, or flat out consciousness.
We should call the new LC Rockwell just "Edmund" and anything to do with pre-LC Rockwell as just Rockwell.

[granite stump]

That’s why I did my best to specify the new guy as Edmund and the other Rockwell

[bold dove]

Ye

Gonna be a bit confusing for a bit. But any active people here will probably get used to it over time.

Wonder if we can convince Dollie to pin that.

[granite stump]

In all honesty I wasn’t expecting things to go like this but I’m all for a ‘Edmund’ redemption only for him to go down the dark path due to Rockwells influence and go full circle

[bold dove]

@snow seal Sorry to tag you, but if you're reading this. Could you possible pin one of our message talking about the difference between Edmund and Rockwell?
Until we're given more information, we kind of have to seperate the new LC Rockwell and Ab Rockwell for now.

[bold dove]

Aye, honestly it's killing two birds with one stone.
Rockwell should stay as the irredeemable monster.
While the Edmund personality/mind could have a chance to return in a new body in ARK-2.

It'll also make Gen2's ending even sadder, if they double down on this.

[strong heart]

Old classic jekyll/hyde treatment Rockwell getting.

[granite stump]

Yeah, that would insinuate this new Edmund isn’t as monstrous as he was and that little fragment remaining of his original self comes poking out to address HLN-A directly that he’s afraid

[bold dove]

Ab Rockwell: "I swear you, I'll find a way out of this. I will"
HLN-A: "No you won't. Far too late for that"
LC Rockwell: "It's so bright. Helena...? I'm afraid."
HLN-A: "Shh. She knew."

[agile ocean]

Id argue it's the exact same Rockwell, just briefly freed from the Element's control. I'd say it's more tragic if he tries to go back to normal but it takes him over again and gen 2 is giving him the ol' yeller treatment. Also fits with how he tells Gabriel there's no way out of the corruption once it starts in the gen 2 notes. He'd be speaking from experience by that point

[bold dove]

We'll have to see. But the note kind of hints more that there's now two Rockwell's in one body.

We'll have to see though

In around a little over a month now.

[agile ocean]

I read it more as it's the element fighting to keep its host alive, rather than a second Rockwell personality
I am very excited for the future

[bold dove]

Personally read it as both.
This new Rockwell doesn't know anything beforehand, which would be weird for a respawned survivor.
Usually, in cases like Diana. They remember at least 'some' stuff beforehand.
But all Rockwell remembers is absolute nothing.

[granite stump]

It’s established that there’s

Edmund

And

Rockwell

Edmund is the human which has no memories of his past let alone murdering people but seemingly Rockwell is flooding those memories in slowly and forcing him to see what Rockwell aka his previous self did faintly

[bold dove]

So to me, it seems like this is a fresh new Rockwell, that Ab Rockwell transferred his consciousness into, to possibly make a new mobile form after his Ab body got crushed from the crash.

And Ab Rockwell's motives would be influenced by the Element hivemind.

Making it kind of a hierarchy in one body.

[granite stump]

Yeah it’s seemingly 2 people sharing a body but unlike the guy in gen 2 where it was 2 different people, this is 2 people that are technically the same just one is pure while the other is twisted

[bold dove]

LC Rockwell/Edmund: the new clone controlling the body.
Ab Rockwell/Rockwell: the little voice in the new clones head to tell them what to do.
Element Hivemind: telling Rockwell what it needs to feel Edmund to attempt to reform some form of new power on this planet.

[agile ocean]

But... He does know. That's why he immediately attempts suicide. He gets his memories back

[bold dove]

Note directly states he doesn't. Only that he 'feels' like he shouldn't be alive, and wanted to accept death.

But a voice in his head told him otherwise, and so his instincts kicked in and drove him to survive.

Also, it would make no sense for Edmund to feel sudden flow of betrayal in him if it was souly the Hivemind in his head.

[agile ocean]

The note itself says he remembers the betrayal, murder, etc. like straight up says it. He knows he's become a monster and tried to end it while he's still consciousky in control

[bold dove]

Element wouldn't 'feel' betrayal.

[agile ocean]

And then the element goes "hey there buddy hold on a minute where do you think you're going"

[bold dove]

"Stark cold jolts something loose in my mind"
Sounds more like he's slowly being fed information.

🤷

Again, we'll see in less over a month now.

[granite stump]

He remembers faint glimpses, seemingly enough that Rockwell gave him due to being within his mind.

[agile ocean]

I read it more as just. He rember. Why would his evil alter ego feed him info likely to get him killed?

[granite stump]

Because note, he shouldn’t have any memories if he was his own person entirely and at the start of the note he seemingly had no recollection of what happened. He was seemingly a fresh new Edmund but then he suddenly had those memories flow in but it seemed to be scattered, he just knew he was a monster and wanted to die but Rockwell forced him to survive

[bold dove]

Fed wasn't the right word.
More "adding" Rockwell's memories into Edmunds, so Rockwell can slowly take over the body, and basically identity kill Edmund.

[granite stump]

It could be likely due to their minds becoming one that the Rockwell memories is bleeding into Edmund’s due to them being the same person

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[granite stump]

Like it’s an accidental thing that Rockwell didn’t really mean to happen

[agile ocean]

I guess we'll find out how he even got into normal human form which will answer some questions but given the way element treated him pre-abberration this lines up with it rather than an alter ego situation

[granite stump]

I think it’s an alter ego thing and Rockwell just didn’t realize how their minds would be in one body

Especially since this fresh Edmund had no memories of what Rockwell did until seemingly small fragments started popping up in his memory which was enough to make Edmund assume he was a monster when in reality he’s actually innocent, it’s the other guy in his head that’s the problem

[bold dove]

Like, just saying. If they did it the otherway. Feel like that'd completely would negate Rockwell's just flat out evil side.
This allows the narrative argument of "nature vs nurture". That Rockwell might always lead into the worse choices, but it's the nurture/environment he's in that adds the "why" he always becomes bad.
For the original Rockwell. That'd be temptation so easily, just by simply looking at an artifact.
For this Rockwell, it could be forced upon him to survive that he'll have to do horrid things.

Compare that if this 'was' the same Rockwell. That they're trying to make him now completely sympathetic, ignoring the fact that Rockwell went out of his way to one-side shun Helena, didn't bother trying to communicate with her at all. Poisoned an entire village after helping deliver their leaders baby. And flat out murder Diana after mutating, the one person in the Tek Tribe that was kind to him.

[agile ocean]

Oh I'm not saying there's no other control I'm saying it's the element and not just Evil Rockwell. He's always been morally gray but given he described the element as literally talking to him in abb it's not unfeasible at all
Think of it this way: the element is a parasite. It uses him as its host to carry out its will. It would want to keep that host alive, because without him, it gets nowhere.

[bold dove]

Rockwell's been, since the start. Pretty damn bad.

[granite stump]

There’s a distinct difference between just element though, it was never given a voice, just described that it’s ‘singing’ and ‘humming’ to Rockwell of what it wants

[agile ocean]

Yeah that implies it's telling him things

[granite stump]

Yes but having it have a ‘voice’ now doesn’t make any lick of sense

[agile ocean]

And one would expect it's more powerful now given he literally injected it into his veins

[bold dove]

But that wouldn't matter anymore, if this is a new body.
He'd have no connection to the hivemind. Since there'd be no physical Element in him anymore.

[granite stump]

The Edmund we see tho is pure… no element in his system

How would that work

[agile ocean]

We don't know that though

[granite stump]

We kinda do tho?

[agile ocean]

And also he's. Right next to aberration. Molten element galore

[granite stump]

The molten element is deeper in the caverns tho, none is on the surface

[agile ocean]

Ab completely exploded on impact though it's in ruins scattered everwhere

[granite stump]

There would be no way for that ‘humming’ to reach him let alone tell him what to do.

[agile ocean]

But... It did? That's how he got to it in the first place?

[granite stump]

Was it described as it was fully blown apart or was it just crashed down and everything is broken from the crash?

[bold dove]

We don't know.

[agile ocean]

We don't know but given he's shown in the new notes next to a shredded piece of it we can assume it didn't hold up well

[granite stump]

I’m willing to guess it landed like the rest of the arks but had a more harsh landing so all the obelisks and what not are broken

I doubt it fully blown up

[agile ocean]

Either way it was enough to get him from an entirely different ark, he found it from SE

And the tiny piece form the island kickstarted it all. It does not take much

[granite stump]

If I recall they were just clocking the terminal and Rockwell just accidentally clicked something it wasn’t him actually finding an ark that specifically was described as a molten element hell or something

[bold dove]

That was an artifact.

He didn't get ahold of actual Element till Scorched.

[agile ocean]

Artifact is made of element

It is very clearly affecting him even then

[bold dove]

So are the ARK's and Obelisks, but that doesn't mean they have affecting properties. 🤷
If they did, it'd be a real shitty material to build the anti-Element system with, that Element can influence through.

[bold dove]

That's his own obsession, not Element.
Like I said. He was just bad from the start.

Dude regrets not using slaves for his research, just because he keeps getting less and less volunteers.

[agile ocean]

He wasn't though and the point of his character is that he wasn't always evil

[bold dove]

Don't care the argument with that. You regret not using slaves in any way, and you're just a fucking bad person.

[agile ocean]

Important part: he didn't use the slaves though. Like he recognized they would be useful but he. Didn't use them

[granite stump]

If it was like that tho we would of seen more people get controlled from element

[agile ocean]

Gabriel

Helena almost she just happened to ascend the "right' way

[granite stump]

Wasn’t that one of the students on aberration? If so that was due to Rockwells constant whispering in their minds due to being the overseer. I wouldn’t really blame that on ‘element’

[agile ocean]

His field of expertise was chemistry of course he was the one to study the weird metal that's his thing

[agile ocean]

No, gen 2. Rockwell took advantage of what was already there

He's the 2 guys in 1

[granite stump]

Ah the split personalities guy

I feel this would also connect with that if it was 2 Rockwells

He sees Gab and is likely reminded of what the Rockwell side did to Edmund and tried to exploit that but fails

[agile ocean]

Rockwell found him because Santiago put him in the "these guys are a mess" category and rockwell found that interesting

It could also work if he's the same Rockwell the whole time. Gabriel tries to escape before Rockwell tells him it's impossible

At this point, he would know the element will retake control

[granite stump]

I don’t think that has as much of a feelings moment as it would if it was 2 Rockwells

[agile ocean]

I think we have different tastes in writing then because "I tried and you can't" is very tragic to me

By gen 2 it probably isn't really Rockwell much anymore, the element has taken over

[granite stump]

It is don’t get me wrong but it’s more of the irony feel is what I’m thinking with there being 2 Rockwells and then this new combined mind one directly addresses Gabriel and tries to pull him to his side

[granite stump]

I hard disagree there

It’s clear he’s still in there with the last line he says.

[agile ocean]

He's still in there but he's not in control is what I'm saying

[granite stump]

Nah he’s definitely in full control

[agile ocean]

No not really, everything he does is clearly twisted to serve the element

[warped herald]

No this like having a demon possess your body and your stuck inside watching as this thing takes control of your body. We literally heard Edmond say he was scared at the end of gen 2 cause Rockwell new he failed and gave control back to Edmond

[bold dove]

That's my mindset as well now.

[granite stump]

If he wasn’t he would be a mindless mass screaming at us like all the rest of the corrupted but instead he has his mind in tact enough to directly offer us a taste of what he has. He’s willingly offering us ‘godhood’ calmly instead forcibly trying to infect us like what corruption does. He’s giving us the choice

[agile ocean]

There has never been an instance of Rockwell alter egos but we know full well the element has been actively taking over him to the point of convincing him to, again, inject it directly into himself

[bold dove]

Rockwell was the part of that dialogue that was thrashing and angry. While Edmund is the last "I'm afraid" part, as Rockwell knew he lost.

[granite stump]

He is definitely still conscious on there and he is fully grasping what he’s actually doing

[granite stump]

The reason why we never seen Rockwell alter egos is because this new note is the first showing of that potentially lol

[agile ocean]

I mean it could be but his entire story arc is him getting taken over the element it would be weird if they randomly threw in a second Rockwell personality in there

The base concept is already there in every way

[granite stump]

And the element in turn never had a real voice, it hummed and gave Rockwell the feeling of what it wanted, such as when it ‘hummed in delight’ after Rockwell starting doing controlled injections into his arm to see how it would react. It’s not actually ‘speaking’. Rockwell is just that delusional that he believes that’s what the element wants

[agile ocean]

Just because he's never written out what it says doesn't mean it hasn't been controlling him especially when it's been explicitly established that element corrupts living things

[granite stump]

He describes it specifically as humming. It implies that there is no voice telling him what to do. It’s just reacting in a sense without words, such as the odd ‘humming’ or ‘pulsing’ it does

[agile ocean]

Well yeah that's before he infused himself with it. It's literally in him now

[warped herald]

At high doses, Rockwell did small calculated doses to test the water to see if he can get the benefits of element without going corrupted

[agile ocean]

Wait he says it literally spoke to him in the end of the aberration notes

It's telling him how the arks work I'm looking at it right now lol

[warped herald]

Delusions cause it fried his brain and turned him into a monster

[light slate]

Hello, how does the new Rockwell note explain or go hand in hand with the Extinction cutscene where we see the remnants of Aberration?

[granite stump]

There was a line that did say ‘it tells me secrets’ which “Could” insinuate it speaks however it’s likely his mind was just shown the details of the arks and what the reseed protocol was. As an overseer he is forced to understand the system of the ark itself. Even then he can still tamper with it and do what he wishes.

[granite stump]

That’s- Actually a good question

[agile ocean]

I feel like the existence of the corrupted dinos kind of just straight up proves the element can corrupt and control things though like. It just does that

[light slate]

Thanks, I was watching nanOS latest video and that question cane to mind

[granite stump]

I suspect the ‘I am coming’ cutscene likely means he did survive to an extent but not for too long. He likely was shut down after the creation of the new Edmund and likely this is when he had his consciousness transferred into the new Edmund too (Rockwells mind I mean)

[light slate]

That’s a plausible explanation, I think that the “I am coming” might have been Aberration rockwell’s dying moments but I could be very wrong

[agile ocean]

Imagine if the reseed protocol turned him back into a mostly normal person and that's why he's just a guy now LOL. I made a joke about that a while back like what if we just hit him with an obelisk

[granite stump]

And when I mean his mind transferred over, I mean there’s likely 2 Rockwells in 1 body. Edmund, the pure one and Rockwell, the one we tried to kill

[agile ocean]

But he's so deeply cooked at this point there's no fully purging the element

[light slate]

Yes like Jekyll and Hyde

[granite stump]

It does however corruption causes a hive mind network that’s mindless and thinks of nothing but destruction. Rockwell isn’t that yet seemingly has control over corruption himself

[agile ocean]

I don't think he does though. Everything he does just furthers the element

[granite stump]

After all, the corruption did make it aboard the genesis ship seemingly due to Rockwells influence

[warped herald]

Don't get me wrong element is a sentient thing but element doesn't have a goal for itself

[granite stump]

It just spreads like a virus/fungus

[agile ocean]

The goal is to spread like any living thing and it is in some way alive

[warped herald]

A form of corruption but not a true corruption like on extinction

[agile ocean]

I treat it like a parasitic fungus

He is a host, nothing more. By the end he's like an infected ant climbing to the highest point to release the spores

[granite stump]

That’s its main goal, grow and evolve.

Rockwell wants something ‘similar’ but it’s his own influence as he dubs it. Not element/corruption

[warped herald]

Last of us basically it's just want to spread but no real goals

[agile ocean]

More like the element influences his goals. He's just playing with his tuoys in Genesis but it's clearly doing immense corruption

[granite stump]

I’m still of the belief Rockwell knows what the hell he’s doing and is that self absorbed that he wants everything to bend to his every whim

[agile ocean]

No not really, if he wanted that he'd have gone after you instead of telling you to leave him alone when you enter the garden

[granite stump]

Not because of element fully but it was the cause for this drastic change but it soon became his own goal. To spread his own influence instead of saying something like “Our influence”

[warped herald]

Oh he does and he doesn't care what he's doing as long as he seen as a new god and continues to conquer everything in the universe

[agile ocean]

Rockwell himself is just making cool creatures over there but the element is using that to go absolutely wild

[granite stump]

As said, dude instead of killing us on aberration kept offering us what he had. Dude KNEW what he was doing and was willing to even share his own “divinity” with those he seemed chill with

That’s not an element thing

[agile ocean]

Doesn't he literally tell you to leave him alone in gen 2 he wants nothing to do with you until you enter the proliferation
Gen 1 is a bit different but you're not physically there

[warped herald]

The reason he tells us to leave him alone in gen 2 is cause he knows us, and what we're capable of doing, he's scared of us

[granite stump]

That’s Rockwell being in total control.

In gen 2 he seemed ‘curious’ of us until we entered his proliferation and he started to tell us off, warning us even to stay away or face dire consequences

He still has reason to basically warn us to not come near him or he will retaliate instead of instantly go for the kill when we are in his territory. The element would have made him attack or send everything at us but instead he lets us approach him. Rockwell is definitely in total control he’s just that self important that he didn’t feel the need to actually deal with us before we could become a danger to his cause

And that’s also shown during the actual Rockwell prime fight itself, he was STILL so self important that he didn’t feel the need to directly attack us until we angered him enough to make him directly fight us.

[agile ocean]

I'd say there's no total control here. It's him wrestling the element. You can see it in his interactions with Gabriel and Nina, Gabriel he puts to work in the element mines or whatever but Nina? He wants her to... Use the Genesis system to give his corrupted survivors "dreams?"

[warped herald]

He talks big game until he's back into a corner and start getting scared that he starts sending everything he has against us and failed

[agile ocean]

Also I feel is important: in the Rockwell Prime fight he refers to the corrupted survivors as his "new children" and tells you they're "much better behaved." Hey buddy wanna elaborate on that a little bit
I think it's a bit boring if he's just flat out evil and hates you

[granite stump]

I feel you’re missing the in general point of how Rockwell is when he became who he was. Rockwell was offering them the services just like how he offered us back on aberration but to a lesser degree since I assume he realizes there’s no reason to have equals since his original plan was to take over earth and have back up with us leading the charge against the king titan. Heck if it WAS him and the element why would he wage war against the king titan when that thing is just pure element? Corruption and element are one and the same after all

[agile ocean]

When on earth did he wage war against the king titan

[granite stump]

He desired to have us go down and face the titan on his side, using element as our sword

[agile ocean]

Do you have a source for that???

[warped herald]

He became an overseer of aberration, he was apart of the ark. The ark mission was to stop and destroy the corruption on earth and he needs soldiers to do that while he stuck in space

[agile ocean]

The aberration ark was completely cooked it's overseer was dead and Rockwell just happened to fall down to the place with the controls

[granite stump]

The aberration boss fight dialogue, at a certain point he mentions the dangers down below and offers us godhood and even references how element can be the tool to slay a dragon but this metaphor was leaned toward the hellish beasts down below on earth. This dialogue meant that he wanted us to fight on his side to get rid of the titans and have him be the one in control.

[warped herald]

Yes it was but an ark needs an overseer to see if survivors can ascend to earth to fight the corruption

[agile ocean]

Oh god the new boss fight dialogue that's right that exists. Do you have a link to where I can read through that LOL

[granite stump]

It’s not even that new it’s been out back when ASE had updates lol

[agile ocean]

Aberration is basically out of the protocol at this point it's just gone rogue and is dying

[agile ocean]

Ok "new" as in "was added afterwards"

[granite stump]

It’s still an ark, it means the systems are still in place

[warped herald]

The ark literally chose Rockwell cause the element running throughout him. He was connected via element and was made the overseer and brought to the center of the ark control

[granite stump]

The ark was just ‘broken down’ too far for it to release the pulse to clean the element up around there and arat prime

[agile ocean]

They blew up the thing keeping the systems in place and it's falling apart. That's why the earthquakes are there and why Helena and the gang needed to get the hell out

[granite stump]

That is a fair point however it’s likely also tied to the overseer themselves that and the system seemed to of still existed when choosing an overseer. If it was destroyed then Rockwell shouldn’t of been an overseer at all

[agile ocean]

I mean he does a terrible job at being an overseer to begin with, he personally messes with the people on the ark

[granite stump]

That’s not what I mean

[warped herald]

Yes but what does an overseer do? They test the survivors and see if they want it takes to be the best hope for humanity

[granite stump]

The point is the ark still has a system since it still after the main control room was destroyed. Now does that mean the system itself isn’t broken? No it’s definitely suffered major damage but there’s still enough of it left to actually choose a suitable replacement overseer in the system

[warped herald]

Testing things is what Rockwell does best and he wants to see what he can to do to test the survivors of aberration

[agile ocean]

I don't think it really chose him I mean he's literally a giant element monster he's the biggest active threat to the reseed protocol behind the titans. I think he just took control of the systems without any of the responsibilities

[granite stump]

The point of the system ‘being gone and the ark being unstable’ isn’t all there since the system is in fact, still there if it chose an overseer replacement

[granite stump]

That’s- Okay I’m sorry but I don’t see how that logic fits with what Rockwell had said upon waking up. He had no recollection of anything and it was clear he didn’t forcibly take control of the system. He had been basically given the admin codes and he just kinda started to fiddle and figure out the admin console while reading up on some data.

[agile ocean]

He got knocked down into the control room and found the controls it's not like the ark chose him

[warped herald]

This what Rockwell meant when he heard the element talk to him, it was the ark telling him to become the new overseer. He thought he would be in control but it was a trap that he couldn't escape from

[granite stump]

But didn’t you mention the control room was nuked?…

[agile ocean]

Most of it, he fell into the remains. Mentioned in Helena's notes I think

[granite stump]

That’s- No

That’s not at all what happened

[warped herald]

The overseer room is at the top of the ark, it a control area. The one in the bottom of the ark is a human access area to control of the ark

This why we see the overseer tower blown off the ark, that control room is out of order

[granite stump]

He just fell into a deeper part of the ark, the main control systems are up above the ark itself, other fragmentary systems are likely in the pillars around the ark, one of which being destroyed in the aftermath of the nuke. Rockwell didn’t end up in any of those locations, he’s just deeper in the ark itself. There’s no overseer room, it’s just a specific chamber deep in the ark

[agile ocean]

Rockwell record 28 from aberration. Says Helena "banished" him to a place where he can feel and sense everything, then the next goes into him learning the controls. In Helena's notes it mentions Rockwell accidentally cracked open a hole in the ground and falls in. These two line up

[granite stump]

Yes… this means he fell deeper into the ark since they found in the lands of aberration…

[surreal meteor]

Can I human remove their implant? (Diamond shaped think in your wrist)

[granite stump]

Seemingly no

[agile ocean]

No I think it's attached to the bone. So I guess if you remove the arm lol

[warped herald]

Unlikely is infused to the bone

[granite stump]

No one really tried fully since it’s tied around the bone of the human

[agile ocean]

I mean someone has probably tried it at some point we just haven't seen it lol

[granite stump]

There’s a metal piece wrapped around the bone. It’s not infused

[surreal meteor]

If the ark 2 trailer is worth anything, you see an implant attached to bones when a dodo pecks at it

[agile ocean]

It would probably just read you as dead though if you removed it

[granite stump]

I should rephrase. No one we have seen in the series has tried

[warped herald]

If they have they probably broke they arm removing it

[agile ocean]

Easy peasy just chop off the arm at the wrist. You definitely won't die of blood loss

[warped herald]

That if know how to make a tourniquet to stop them from bleeding out

[surreal meteor]

Do the dinos have implants (in lore) or is it just humans

[agile ocean]

I think they do?

[warped herald]

Just humans

[agile ocean]

I believe it's how they track vitals and stuff for the purpose of simulating an ecosystem. Either that or magic sensing powers lol

I swear there was something where you could obtain the implants of your tames or am I just tired idk

[surreal meteor]

Yea it was in mobile

Or older mobile

Idk. If they updated it

[warped herald]

I believe that was a mod so that's not canon and the soul essence is just a game mechanic for the oasissaur

[agile ocean]

Oh it was mobile right
So not technically a mod but also probably not canon lol

[surreal meteor]

How did gross body horror Rockwell get on the genesis part 2 ship, I probably wasn't paying attention but like how

[main steppe]

Basically, there’s a teleporter at Arat Prime, and he uses that to beam himself onto the ship. Whether it’s his full body or just his consciousness is a bit vague.

[granite stump]

That didn’t really answer the question of how he got the body horror design

[granite stump]

The likely answer was Edmund (the new Rockwell coming to lost colony) likely injected themself with red element

Oh wait I just misread the question- god I’m hella tired- Sorry for the confusion that’s on me

It’s 1:45 am for me- yeah I’m heading to bed XD

[bold dove]

It'll probably be explained in LC.

[warped herald]

Yeah it will get explained how he got on genesis and us as well

[merry cipher]

let my man rockwell stay dead in the freezer he's been through enough
(i know this is a prequel DLC i'm joking)

[lunar dagger]

They’re milking tf out of Rockwell though I can’t lie
But idm Rockwell is peak writing

[arctic bison]

David Tennant my beloved

[strong heart]

Closest thing to an implant is the essence they drop off as majority of Dinos drop it when tamed and then die after.

[granite stump]

I wouldn’t really say it’s milking it. It’s just connecting the dots that what there were between aberration and genesis. Now if he shown up in ark 2 then yeah it definitely will be milking it but rn it’s fine

[ornate hull]

Do we have a reason behind the reaper floating in water and not beaing able to submerge or is that just a gameplay element?

[bold dove]

Gameplay

[ornate hull]

Dam

[light slate]

Something that I don’t hear people talking about a lot is that the existence of the Astrocetus and Astrodelphis confirms that extraterrestrial life is canon to Ark. And I just remembered the natives on the ARK 2 planet

[bold dove]

Yerp.

Element, Astro-creatures, Aratai's, and assumingly the leaf lizard at the beginning of the first ARK-2 trailer are all aliens.

Technically the titans as well, if you want to get semantic.

[cunning finch]

Can someone give me best lore story source? I need to get best knowledge before Lost Colony, whats happen here and where is action in storyline

[hollow creek]

what The Complete Story of ARK Explained! from NeddyTheNoodle on Youtube

[cunning finch]

is this include Lost Colony?

[hollow creek]

it's not out yet

[cunning finch]

yes but i dont need whole lost colony story but the story timeline.. we now know that Edmund explorer notes will be in Lost Colony.. so when the story is or who Sir Edmund is... a scientst, Rockwell form... or else..

[hollow creek]

the video i said has the entire timeline

LC happens after extinction ending and before the start of gen1

[bold dove]

Are you asking when this is set?

[cunning finch]

I thought I was asking a simple question. I'm asking where the Lost Colony story is set. In terms of time and place. WC published Edmund Rockwell's Explorer Note, in which he discusses his feelings and who he's becoming. So I ask... is this a side story, and what is its place in the ark history just before Aberration?

[bold dove]

It's set between Extinction and Gen1 chronologically, and the map is going to take place on Arat Prime. The city/launch site of the Genesis ship.

[cunning finch]

So the story is between EXT and GEN1, and what we read in the note is a historical note left by Edmund before the Aberration era. Before he transformed into a monster.

[bold dove]

Nope, it's set during LC.

He's now human again.

Until the events of Genesis happen.

[cunning finch]

alright, thanks

[strong heart]

What if I told you they are using lost colony to fill the plot hole between extinction and genesis?

[lunar dagger]

Ik and im all for it just pointing out that they’re milking Rockwell

[strong heart]

They aren’t really, cus what if I told you Rockwell is one of the main characters?

Milking would’ve been them making a plot device to shoe horn a character in that doesn’t really need to be there.

[lunar dagger]

Ik Rockwell is a main character bro 😭✌️ but you’ve beat him twice now as a boss and they’re adding him back in again as a major plot point, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had something to do with the lc boss

It makes sense that he’s back, but he doesn’t need to be. I personally don’t mind it because Rockwell is cool, but in the grand scheme of things him being taken care of a while ago would have made sense

[strong heart]

Rockwell wants that godly power back like how he had it back in aberration , hence it is a motivation for him to succeed on Lost Colony, on however he achieves it. It’s nothing really unknown here.

[surreal meteor]

On the topic of Rockwell, how did he become the overseer of aberration? What was the original overseer?

[granite stump]

Like Rockwell being in ark 2 when his story arc ended with genesis 2

[granite stump]

The original overseer was presumably the overseer implant being akin to the island one we seen before but the tek tribe that Diana was a part of nuked the station above the ark causing the system to seek out the next powerful being and after a long while, Rockwell injected himself with element and after being sent into the deeper parts of the ark he ended up getting found but he system and was given power as an overseer. The system basically substituted the missing slot with the next best thing.

[bold dove]

The original Overseer was just an Overseer.

There's no unique designs from what we know, other then that specific Overseer taking on nanobot forms of the ARK's respective guardians.

And before anyone asks. No, the Manticore is NOT an Overseer.
It just gives an ascension because Wildcard didn't bother to add a full blown tek-cave to Scorched.

[heady gulch]

anyone think the desmondus and blood wyverns will make a return in lost coloney?

[bold dove]

Probably not.
At least not the blood wyverns

[heady gulch]

so possability for the desmodus?

[bold dove]

Maybe, as it more fits the vampire theme.
I feel like the blood wyvern would need a serious redesign to fit the maps theme.

Because as of ASE, it's just a smaller wyvern with more darker/red regions.

[heady gulch]

do we have a name for that thing mai yiing was fighting?

that man bat thing

[bold dove]

Oh, and it has a slightly more spikey head.

[bold dove]

A vampire.

[heady gulch]

huh

just that?

i was thinking ''SanguiFeind'' or ''Lost''

kinda like how the Nameless are just called that

[bold dove]

They'll probably be given names. But the entire premise of LC so far is very Dracula themed.

[heady gulch]

also do we know if that vampire thing is like the nameless, as in untameable and harrasing the player for being in the dark

or are they tamable and useful?

[bold dove]

Even the faction symbol for them has little bat wings.

[bold dove]

We don't know.

But they've confirmed raidable/defendable NPC encampments, and three factions for the map.

[heady gulch]

sorry for all the questions btw now that lost coloney is so close i have so meny questions im not finding answers for ><;

mayhapse joinable vampires are a thing?

[bold dove]

So they're either enemies and can't be tamed, as we might only stick with one specific faction. (URE)
Or, they'll allow us to do trades with these factions, and we might be able to get the vampires if we have a good relationship with a faction.

All depends on how that faction system works.

[bold dove]

You good

[bold dove]

Possibly.
We literally know nothing of the faction system. Other then "there's three. And their bases are either raidable, or you can defend them"

[heady gulch]

so....we have the ossidon, and we know the veilwym has some evolution system kinda like the ferox (right?) and Drakelings are a thing that idk how they work or if they have anything uniq

and then the vampires/manbats

do we know of any other lost coloney entitys or dinos coming

overseers?
bosses?
or just new dinos
any leeks at all of anything else?

or is it that once one faction domonates the land we move on to, what im thinking is genesis pt1

[bold dove]

Draklings are a Fantastic Tames, so I doubt they'll be on LC

[heady gulch]

or wait, sinse it takes place on Arat Prime (right?) on the dark side of earth, and earth is tidal locked or not rotating, sinse its perma night im assuming, it takes place between abberation and extinction?

but that wouldent make sense eather as the chosen surviver is shown to go right from abberation to extinction

[heady gulch]

ohhh ok mb

[bold dove]

Arat*

[heady gulch]

mb

[bold dove]

Overseers seemingly where only made for the ARK's.
Well, there's bosses on every map. But we do know the Lost King is a major antagonist.
No, those are all the new creatures so far.
Yeah, the VA for Diana accidently leaked her script, and there's mention of the "Lost Queen". People think Mei-Yin might've got corrupted, and is now the forceful bride/queen/something to the Lost King.

[bold dove]

Also, no. The Earth is rotating. That's the entire half side of the purpose of Extinctions ending

[bold dove]

LC is also confirmed to take place between Ext and Gen1.
It's the bridge between the two storylines. As currently on ASE, there's a bit of a narrative jump between the two.

[heady gulch]

ooooo ok ok interesting

cos we know theres like, 1000s of years between the events of Dianas adventure and the One who Walks's ((thats the right name right ><;)) campain, so obviously if mai yiing is around shes eather like rockwell or somewhat corrupted to something

[bold dove]

We don't know that. That's just a theory.
Also, no. She's a ghost, she got no usable legs. It's "The One Who Waits"
Because she's been waiting for our slow asses, breeding creatures to an unholy amount, to actually do our job.

[heady gulch]

not daina ik shes the one who waits

i mean at the end of extinction, i remember one of the one who waits surviver notes called our surviver by a name she gave us

[bold dove]

Oh, funny story about Rockwell.
Did you see the new Rockwell Note 1# for LC that was released two days ago?

[bold dove]

Bruh.

Diana is just Diana. She has no allies.

Helena is The One Who Waits. She's the one you see at the end of Extinction.

[heady gulch]

i saw an animation where its shown rockwell is back to being a surviver in the frozen wastes

[main mural]

Arat is the planet arat prime is on earth

[heady gulch]

OH
MB!
i got those two mixed up sorry!

[bold dove]

Read further up.

[heady gulch]

Helena calls our survier something in the extinction notes

[bold dove]

The One Who Tries Again.

Or, to shorten it from that mouthload.
The Survivor.

[main mural]

I don't see any mention of the planet lol.

[bold dove]

They misspelled it and called it "Arate" Prime.
Just correcting them of removing the 'e'.

[heady gulch]

thats it!!
thats what she calls thats what i was meaning thank you!

[bold dove]

"The One Who Fucking Died From MegaRabies Again"

[heady gulch]

oh and to mention this: i mean like what happons on the island with helena and rockwell and nerva and mei yiing

theres like 1000s of years between there tale and ours right?

cos by the time we arrive theres nothing but ruins

[main mural]

HLNA kept telling me to "be more careful" I imagine helena was like that for the island through extinction part.

[heady gulch]

rockwell manner
nervas new rome

the other tribes homes

all ruins

[bold dove]

No, nothing confirms the time between the previous survivors and us. But it's enough time that Mei-Yin and most recent events are still semi-relevant, just now starting to fade.

[main mural]

we don't know how long between them and us are could be 100 years 10000 years or we could take place a day after helena became deus

probably not the last one

[heady gulch]

i thought the one who tries again was a contingency created by helena?

the reason we respawn is cos of her?

after so long of nothing happoning

[bold dove]

Might be a few decades, and the ruins can be chocked up to either artistical, or the ARK rapidly decaying them to recycle the resources.
Or it could be centuries.
But 1,000 years is a really, really long time.
More likely 1,000 years is the span between The Collapse and the first survivor notes, then it is between them and us.

[main mural]

maybe we'll find out in lost colony tho

[main mural]

the ark kinda has to be right? otherwise how did the notes survive but stone buildings didn't lol

[bold dove]

Kind of.
So the whole process was an accident at first, of respawning Diana. But that was a fluke.
Later, she then slowly added new code to The System to allow future survivors to respawn.
There's no time given. Just that "she had to be slow enough so The System wouldn't detect her, and lock her out permanently"
Every survivor after this point can respawn.

[bold dove]

Purely gameplay purposes.

[heady gulch]

i put it more to 1000s as by the looks of there notes, there were alot of tribes on the island alone, all there structures are ruins, resorses are pleantyful, and if the one who tries again is, cannonicly, alone ((speculation)) then where did everyone else go

where are the painted sharks, the ice wolves, the iron legion

[main mural]

unless they aren't

[bold dove]

Same reason why some of the notes are in caves.
In the middle of the ocean.
With upward only entrances.

[main mural]

somebody got stuck in the cave

[bold dove]

Either got completely destroyed by other wars, or destroyed by the ARK itself from them getting too large.

Like a lot can happen in just a century alone.

[bold dove]

Look at 1925 versus now.
Many wars, and nations have been completely either reworked, or destroyed.

[heady gulch]

on scorched earth we have an explination of the ark reset the massive city

aberration was taken over by the survivers

but none of the tribes on the island, appart form the iron legion and the legion were large tribes, but even then no where close to industry, like late medivel at lest cos of guns obviously

[main mural]

is us being alone actually canon

[bold dove]

Think The One Who Tries Again hints that we're suppose to be in a tribe.
Buuuuuut, that's honestly more up to the player, given what we know with the new intro cutscenes.
Everyone can respawn now, and in turn are "The One Who Tries Again".
But there's only one "THE" John Survivor.

[heady gulch]

i mean true, but stone building made a centry ago still stand
hell stone buildings made 500 years ago still stand in england withought any weathering

yet romen ruins look identical to the ones on the island, isolated ruines that have bearly disernible features

[bold dove]

The legion literally fucking made guns.

They where on their way to industrialization.

[heady gulch]

i did say they had guns

[bold dove]

Oh, my bad.

[main mural]

guns happen way before industrialization.
and we have guns ingame

[heady gulch]

on there way is not ''in''
''late medivel'' would be start of indestry

[bold dove]

Either way, it's probably just an artistical choice.

[bold dove]

From what we know. Nosti wasn't industrialized either. That isn't a requirement.

[main mural]

but did the ark do it or did the writer do it.

[heady gulch]

true, wheellocks and matchlocks, but we done have those in ark, just good old revovlers and sawn offs

[bold dove]

Uuuuuuuh.
Let's just say the ARK's glorified ChatGPT got bored and decided to fuck around with the ruins.

sawed-off.

[main mural]

makes about as much sense as the moon.

[heady gulch]

Nosti had alot of people from the wild west tho, lots of people with gun matenence or knowlage of how to make guns

[bold dove]

AYE! You get it!

[bold dove]

No?
There's nothing to confirm that. Only just John and his gang that joined Nosti are confirmed to be wild western times.
Raia was literally an Egyptian priestess.

[heady gulch]

ik about Raia being a prestess, but didnt John introduce her to firearms?

cos she doesnt know what they are at first, she doesnt even refure to them as guns?

plus theres no way john and his gang where the only frountersmen, same way raia wasnt the only egiption

[bold dove]

Yes, but that wasn't what you said that a lot of Nosti's citizens where wild west people.

[bold dove]

Other cultures in deserts exist, my man. 🤷

[heady gulch]

nonono, what i ment was like there had to be more then just john and his men?

[main mural]

I don't think guns is one of the deciding factors.
probably more along the lines of them not doing the ark's mission

[bold dove]

Not just "egyptian" and "yeehaw people"

[bold dove]

Sure, but also probably a lot of people from African countries, middle eastern, Mongolia, India, etc.

[heady gulch]

ik ik but those are what we know are there, other then the people rockwell was captured by, whm from the drawings he made of the pregnant cheftens bride may have had some persian culture, judging soly by hows shes dressed, i very much could be wrong

[heady gulch]

im making my observations soly on who and what we know was there, we know frountersmen were, we know egiptions were there, we know some degree of persions or arabic people were there as well, however, the other people who have mentioned, while they very much probably were there, after all the arks took the genetic memory and code of people from every cornor of the globe, as i said i am making my observations soly from the info the games give us

also other then Nosti, the ruins on Scorched Earth arnt as ''Ruined'' more recleamed by the desert

@bold dove you also mentioned the Manticore isnt a Overseer, what then is the signicence of the skull in its arena, or the ruins there?

[bold dove]

There isn't.

Again, Wildcard just be doing artistical stuff without considering lore implications.

There's ruins in also the Dragon and Megapithicus arena.
Because they look cool.

[heady gulch]

that accually also brings into question the big ass skeletons around both scorched earth and abberation

what where those titans???
they had to be titans right, those giant gigas or trexes with the humps?

like down in the depths of abberation that gargantuan skeleton??

ive wondered for years what they were, we know titans are a thing

[bold dove]

Again, just because they looked cool.
No lore implications.
Titans also only formed 'after' the ARK's already left. So they wouldn't be able to hitch a ride yet.

[heady gulch]

damn, would have been so cool if they had of been something, the implocations of monsterus dinos that big

like the ark was making its own titans to fight the ones on earth

[bold dove]

Well, funny story.

That's what the Ossidon is.

[heady gulch]

but isnt that on earth already?

[bold dove]

Yeah, it was made by the Arat Prime faction, likely after the ARK's left and left them for dead.

[heady gulch]

with red element, right?

[bold dove]

Correct.
Which we have no idea what that is, other then "It's Element, but eviler"

"Because it's red"

That's a joke. We literally know nothing about Red Element.

It's gonna be the Red-40 of ARK

[heady gulch]

accually another lore thing

Purple element is, corrupted?? or natual?

blue is refined?

red is.....evolved? a new straine? unstable?

[bold dove]

Kind of.
Element is naturally purple, and Corcuption is just the endstate/mature version of Element. All Corruption used to be Element, but not all Element is Corruption. Type of shit.
Blue is refined, yes. It's less hazardous, and presumably not tied to the hivemind. But if melted/used in a generator/gun. It can still produce spores, that said spores can then grow into new non-refined Element.
Red is 🤷

Two possible theories I've heard.
A: The people at Arat Prime tries to alter Element to some degree, probably trying to destroy the hivemind without killing all of Element, and it pissed it off and Element said "Curse be upon ye who fucked with me".
B: Red Element actually isn't true Element. Instead was completely made from humans. So a manmade Element.
But either by fucking up, or a Dead Space style shit with Markers. It turns evil and starts fucking shit up.

[heady gulch]

yeah ik that much about element

the future humans knew element let off particals but knew they were so small that the polutive response wouldnt matter....if i remember correctly santiago or diana state that the ammont of element now on earth and corruption being rampent means there must of been a massive war as the ammont of element made by said war would have let off so much particals that it couldnt be rounded out by reusage and mining and the element went rampent

[bold dove]

Kind of hope for the latter, especially with making Red Element like the Red Marker from Dead Space.
Manmade version of Element that, no matter what you do, it'll always turn out destructive.

[bold dove]

That was Santiago on Ext. Diana died on Ab.
And yeah, Element on its own can be regulated. But either political tension, or manipulation by Element itself will always warent a massive conflict to happen with Element.

Stryders on Gen2 where made for that same purpose. To keep the Element levels on the Eden ring low.

[heady gulch]

kinda thinking along the lines of it being unstable, cut off from the hive but extreamly unstable hance the rampent and vicious mutation of the ossidon

[bold dove]

Maybe.
I just like the idea of Dead Space lore being stolen into ARK.

[heady gulch]

the united earth and terren federation, correct?

[bold dove]

Ye.
United Repulic of Earth (URE) and the Terran Federation (Feds)

[heady gulch]

yee thats the ones, i remember them cos i read in the surviver notes on gen2 i think, one of them used tsunamis as terrist attacks, which i found pretty funny, fuck bombs lets throw a fuck ton of water at them

[bold dove]

Oh no, they used nukes as well

New Zealand and the entire west coast of North America are gone.
Just flat out gone.

[heady gulch]

yeah but the tsunamis was funny, like you have all this tech and obviously seem to be able to be on par with the URE/FED, yet summon tsunami

[bold dove]

Also, not sure if the Dead Space lore references from earlier hit or not.

If you know Dead Space lore.

[heady gulch]

oh no it did, the maker markers, brother moons, ect ect
humanitys huberus and necramorphs

[bold dove]

Ye.

I really want the Red Element to just be the Red Marker of ARK.
Manmade Element that blew up in the faces of the Arat Prime residence.

[heady gulch]

i mean, island was Lost, Scorched was unknown, aberation was litterly alian and predator, extinction was godzilla, gen1 was matrix

wouldnt supprise me

[bold dove]

Extinction was Pacific Rim.

[heady gulch]

''godzilla and pacific rim''

cos ''kingkaiju''

and the fact its a reference to godzilla

mecha godzilla

[bold dove]

Ye, but Extinction came out a few months after Pacific Rim.
And it's about giant mechs fighting giant aliens.

[heady gulch]

the king titan is a reference to godzilla tho, so its a shared lore reference imo

the other titans=picific rim

king titan=godzilla meets pacific rim

[bold dove]

Looks more closer to the kaiju's from Pacific Rim, but that's just me

[heady gulch]

''The King Titan's internal name is King Kaiju. "Kaiju" is a Japanese word meaning "strange beast" and is commonly used to refer to large monsters from franchises such as the Pacific Rim franchise and more specifically the Godzilla Franchise as a common title for Godzilla is King of the Monsters, though in this case the King Titan is referred to, quite literally, the king of the Titans.''

therefore godzilla meets pacific rim

[bold dove]

Not saying the name isn't a reference. But the design just looks more closer to a Pacific Rim kaiju to me, then Godzilla.

[heady gulch]

true true

i will give you that

i accually do have question reguarding the bones outside of Sanctuary

do we know what titan that was
we know one attacked Sancuary, is that the one?

ALSO ALSO @bold dove

sinse the Ossidon is going to be a titan killer, doesn that mean, possably, there are titans in LC

[bold dove]

No, that was the King Titan. The skeleton is unknown.

[heady gulch]

more unknown bones, shame

[bold dove]

Likely not.
Because two reasons.
A: The reseed protocol killed everything Element-related. Including titans.
B: We killed the King Titan, and its three generals. The Ice, Forest, and Desert where the second largest titans.
Any other titans would be considered the 'lesser titans' that the notes showed. Mek-sized titans that where in masses.

So, if any titans did survive. They'd just be tiny.

(tiny for titans)

[heady gulch]

wouldnt the Ossidon then be a titan?

mutated by rampent element severed from the hive?

a man made bio-titan

[bold dove]

No, because titans are specifically Element-created abominations to ensure its place on Earth.
Ossidon is more closer to a fucked up man-made version of the other Ext creatures. Like the gasbags/mana's.
It is just a giant monkey it seems. Compared to the titans that where completely made from scratch by Element.

[heady gulch]

right....tho from what i read they are being made ''en mass''
so....there titan killers without there prey anymore?

[bold dove]

Ye, but they also have a second purpose in the note.

Crowd control.
For any rebellions/anyone who questions the author of the dossier.

Which is likely the Lost King.

[heady gulch]

mmmmmmmm
curiouser and curiouser

[bold dove]

So, unless he has a REALLY good reason to act like this with an iron fist. Seems like he may be a dictator.

[heady gulch]

do we know rockwells roll in LC

we know obviosly he isnt a friend
but what his roll

[bold dove]

That he'll eventually fuck off into the super liminal uplink, and start the events of Genesis.

Also, he is a faction it seems

[heady gulch]

so no known story inpact other then he turns up on the uplink?

[bold dove]

So he may, depending on how the system works, be friend.

[heady gulch]

oh lol

[bold dove]

Basically

[heady gulch]

human rockwell seems to not want to be evil

*anymore

[bold dove]

Ah, so here's a cool thing

So, a lot of theories are going around for that note.

[heady gulch]

sonofa!!

hold on

it deleated my thing

end of gen 2, the ship goes boom

rockwell says ''Helena im scared''

he sound almost human voise again

do we thing theres two rockwells

evil element hive rockwell and good human rockwell

[bold dove]

Give me a moment, writing a paragraph with this in mind

[heady gulch]

jackell and hyde style

[bold dove]

This is something I really am fucking hyped for.

[heady gulch]

did i just guess that OO

[bold dove]

And there's two popular ones so far.
A: Rockwell respawned in a new body, and this caused him to gain amnesia. And Element is refusing to allow him to die. That's about it.
B: This isn't the Rockwell we know, but a new clone with also their own consciousness. And instead, the voice is Ab Rockwell/OG Rockwell that transfered into this body to have a new moving body. (since...well...Ab Rockwell probably died from the crash, if not bleeding out from it)
Rockwell throughout him notes has mostly been referred to as "Rockwell". But now, this new voice seems to be trying to be personal with him, with using his first name. "Edmund"
This is a copy and paste of what I sent to a friend.
"The voice directly refers to him as Edmund, instead of Rockwell.
So, this made me think and rewatch the Gen2 ending, and think with new context. This might make more sense if we're to assume now that Edmund, and Rockwell, are two separate characters/personalities.
HLN-A: "Edmund...I'm here to help you end this nightmare." (being controlled in his own body)
Ab Rockwell: "You did this to me! For wanting the same power she squandered"
Ab Rockwell: "Well I've survived worse. I promise you I'll find a way out of this, I will"
HLN-A: "No you won't. Far too late for that"
LC Rockwell: "It's so bright. Helena...? I'm afraid."
HLN-A: "Shh. She knew." (originally thought that this might be that Helena knew of his fall into temptation. But now, it might be because we'll see Helena-dues trying to help Edmund, but fail. And HLN-A comforting Edmund that Helena knew it wasn't his fault.)"

[heady gulch]

oh please be jackell and hyde style david tennit does that soooooooo welll

[bold dove]

This would kill two birds with one stone.
Ab/OG Rockwell can stay as the irredeemable monster he is, and finally be put to rest in Gen2 Ascended.
While Edmund is the more empathetic version that gets the more human character arc, and could possibly return with PTSD in ARK-2 as a new clone.
Allowing Rockwell's character in name to return. But with a new character arc, with it actually finishing off Ab Rockwell's character arc.

[heady gulch]

YES

two rockwell would make much sense
ALSO
we know two survivers can be made into one, ala the prospecter/ egiption prest hybred surviver

[bold dove]

YE!
Stel, in his discord puts it best.
"It's like Gabriel, but actually good."

[heady gulch]

do you think wildcard planned this or this is just a massive happy accident

[bold dove]

I think they fucked up Gen2's plot, and realized that with the community. So they might be reusing some of those concepts (Gabriel's two minds in one body) but actually rewriting them to be a better concept.

[heady gulch]

happy accident it is then

i mean its an interesting and honestly cool consept

plus as you wrote above two birds one stone

god what was that thing rockwell made back on ab, with the shinehorn?

i wonder if that would make a return in ASA gen 2

a refined version

tho tbh, douptful

they could be wendigos, with rockwell bringing them back in some sick sense of ''nostelga''

[bold dove]

Hooooooonestly, they cooould.

A wendigo-like monster would fit the snow theme map.
Fuck it, it already got vampires.

[heady gulch]

i mean: he was pretty pissed they killed the one he made, so clearly he held some attachment, even if it was from ''it ascending to godhood''

rockwells guarden was him basicly making shit, so the idea he brought them back and they became some shinehorn wendigo, a ''Gorehorn'' if you will, would be awesome

[granite stump]

Presumable leaks call those guys the “Thrall”. The word for thrall means “slaves” so it’s like what they are called

[granite stump]

The drakelings have a unique lost colony skin so it’s highly likely they will in fact be on lost colony as a unique variant along side the winter drakeling variant

On top of that there’s also the elder claw which may likely end up on the map since both the drakeling and elder claw both unlock via the lost colony preorder bonus

[hidden sphinx]

Guys,my I ask someone to explain the lore in details for me?, because i just saw a small part and already wanting to know the whole thing

[granite stump]

What part did you see?

[mental basin]

What's up

[snow hedge]

@mental basin hey man! Great work on the video. I think you used the note to bridge ext and gen very nicely and also broke it down.

[mental basin]

Which video lol

& ty

[snow hedge]

"Edmund's note"

Lost colony has me hyped and I'm here all day for the lore lol

[mental basin]

Tyyy

[clever junco]

Wait rq idk if this has already been said but does meeka have an implant because she died as a child during the war? Maybe since Santiago already has a problem with him being respawned seeing his daughter pushed him over the edge and that’s why we see a tension in the bobs tall tales notes?

Or maybe that’s why she’s a child with an implant?

Sorry being cloned as a child because that’s only as far as she made it in life yk?

[hidden sphinx]

A summary about the arks and the genesis project plus the past before them

[vagrant sedge]

My favorite Ark lore is when they said Ark 2 was a game that was coming out and then it got cancelled and never did. Really epic

[mental basin]

It ain't cancelled tho

Just delayed by a rough estimate of 42 years

[bold dove]

Development hell moment

[hidden sphinx]

Well, from what i know, ark 2 is the next stage after the events in genesis 2, right?,

[bold dove]

Correct

ARK-2 is chronologically set after the entire events of ARK-1.

[vital plume]

Might not be anymore didn't they said there is going to be a dlc after gen 2?

[bold dove]

Something like that.

It'll either be a spin-off story like Aquatica, or some form of Pre-sequel set between the events of Gen2 and ARK-2.
Because I have no idea what they could do chronologically.

Actually, on the spin-off story topic.

Could be a post-Earth storyline.
Technically LC is like that, since it's set after Ext.
But, depending on how they handle The Survivors story in LC. They might leave the ending ambiguous enough that it's still up for personal headcanon if the Genesis Survivor is, or isn't The Survivor from the ARK's.
So a post-post Earth spin-off story might work?

[slim plover]

Sir Edmund Rockwell will most likely cause even more problems for when he gets out of the cold

[vagrant sedge]

So we can all agree, per Wildcard lore, maybe our great grandkids get to play Ark 2 ? Niceee

[viscid tide]

Any one able to help I have a cluster that I run and for some reason no one can tribe up all of a sudden

[mental basin]

This is #lore-nerdz.

[hollow creek]

#unofficial-setup-help

[random quiver]

How does Rockwell get to the other side of earth? He died to get to LC right? So he must die to get back to extinction and the portal to genesis right?

I'm pretty sure he used a portal to get to genesis

[bold dove]

Aberration likely crashed near Arat Prime

[random quiver]

Arat prime has the portal right

[bold dove]

Yeah, the super luminal uplink.

[random quiver]

I watched some random lore video. That's where all my info came from

It said Helena went to gen and Rockwell followed

[bold dove]

Basically

[random quiver]

I'm just wondering how he becomes an element monster again

[bold dove]

Red 40

Red Element, I mean.
Probably.

[carmine oyster]

Lore question, is it ever stated if other places like Extinction with proto arks exists in the world or if Extinction is the only place like that

Excluding what ever Arat Prime turns out to be

[main steppe]

Excluding Arat Prime, which may or may not become the new birthplace of the Ark’s, Extinction, and sanctuary in particular is where the ark’s where first built, specifically the Proto ark’s, so yes, it is the only place with proto arks

[carmine oyster]

So no other proto ark testing sights could exist in lore?

[main steppe]

Unless they either retcon it, or elaborate on it, currently no, there are no other proto ark’s existing in the lore.

[carmine oyster]

I just ask because i had an idea for a modded map that would effectively be a diffrent take on ext and was wondering if the idea would flat out go against the ark cannon

[granite stump]

It seems that aberration landed near arat prime since that would explain why corrupted still exists near arat prime, the aberration ark couldn’t let out the pulse to purify the area

[granite stump]

There was also the rumored farm being another of the ‘proto’ arks that exist seemingly if I recall

[main steppe]

That is a possibility

I would not be surprised if that was put in so they could eventually use it for a map later on if they feel inclined

[carmine oyster]

Cool

Basically there's nothing that states that the sanctuary and Arat Prime are the only 2 locations like that?

[granite stump]

That and it was technically made around when the genesis ship was being made so it could be why arat prime is being called the ‘birthplace of the arks’

[granite stump]

Seemingly but we do know they were the last bastions of humanity which fell

Atleast on earth

[carmine oyster]

If I ever do make my map idea a reality, I could work with that to make something that doesnt just straight up contradict cannon

[snow hedge]

At least you're doing your research beforehand lol

[rain dock]

Sanctuary is where arks came from, Arat prime is where the spaceship came from iirc. The way the lore has seemed so far is thst there were 2 factions that came up with solutions, nothing about a 3rd tho. There could have been other testing sites, but due to the immediacy of the launches I kinda doubt that there would be

[carmine oyster]

I didnt know all the arks were launched front sanctuary, I figured they were either all built in space or where launched from the same spots they all landed.

[bold dove]

New lore suggests otherwise.

Helena in the LC reveal trailer says Arat Prime is the birthplace of the ARK's

[snow hedge]

Is the "birthplace" referring to where the idea of the arks originated, where they were produced, or where they were launched from or all of the above?

If all of that was on extinction side then we defeated the titan and started the reseed protocol which doesn't involve lost colony. If lost colony was only working on genesis and then launched it they wouldn't be concerned about the arks unless it was somewhere to stay until the corrupted was cleansed and then they would return (Wall-e style).

[bold dove]

We don't know, yet.

But Sanctuary/the surrounding area would be more of where they originally where produced.
Because nothing before LC was revealed hints there was anything before the proto-ARK's.

The proto-ARK's, if I recall, 'where' the original ARK's. With maybe an argument with the Genesis Simulation being a proof-of-concept to the idea of an artificial environment.
Because The Farm was after the proto-ARK's, and that was the first ARK in orbit.

[main steppe]

they could also just be retconning it but that would require changing some of the extinction notes

[bold dove]

They're retconned a handful of stuff without changing notes.

Helena directly states the King Titan shall no longer step off of his throne without either the hearts of voices of his Generals calling him. (tames titans or slain)
Because after getting his ass kicked by Mei-Yin, he has no reason to.

And now he wonders around in the wasteland.

[light slate]

Hey I have a question regarding the Extinction titans

If Mei Yin called all the lesser Titans besides the Ice, forest, desert and King Titans, why couldn’t they just… come back, like why couldn’t element just spawn in more Titans

[bold dove]

Good question.

[granite stump]

There’s likely more that just existing outside of sanctuary since the note for the Ossidon mentions that the titans never entered arat prime, meaning that could imply there are more out there we just never seen them (I like to kinda thing that sulfur titan mod in the workshop is one of those titans but that’s just a headcanon thing that and it’s just a mod, not official)

[quaint marsh]

It might be time for a new lore channel soon focusing on ASE lore haha

the retcons are getting out of hand

[carmine oyster]

Wait till they reveal a moon base exists in lore

[rain dock]

Huh, I guess I didn't see that

[snow hedge]

Probably where they keep the farm away from prying eyes of the general public

[carmine oyster]

Highkey, if I was to ever get the motivation to make a map, id try to make an Extinction style Lunar base

[light slate]

Does Neddy count?

[main steppe]

Pretty sure they mean discord channel

[mental basin]

The ARKs were public knowledge by then

The Proto-ARKs predate the Farm, and seeing as the Proto-ARKs were the first ever made at Sanctuary- an entire city, wellllll

[snow hedge]

Arks were public knowledge but the cloning and engramatic matrix was what's hidden at the farm right? People were ok with reseed protocol and genesis ship but didn't realize it would take generations so the factions knew how to extend their survivability using the clones.

[mental basin]

Cloning was public knowledge through gene webbing in the 2100s if we're considering pre-assumed retcon lore, but that's something else entirely

And I do believe that Matrix cloning was hidden until sometime after San2iago died yes

[main steppe]

2San2Iago

[snow hedge]

I'm curious as to how well guarded and if we'll see the uplink to genesis is considering Edmund got access to it after crashing. Is it something the lost king is protecting? Doesn't sound like the type of person to be interested in that project though.

[flat blaze]

Is it actually likely for the ossodon to be a mutated megapithicus

[hollow creek]

no

[granite stump]

We aren’t actually sure

It is possible but we got no real proof beyond the Ossidon being a horrific mutation and experimental thing done with red element

[warped herald]

I don't think ossidons are ape the remind me more a mutated chalicotherium. It's walking animation reminds of them then the megapithcus

[strong heart]

Cryopithecus literally translates to frost ape .

[granite stump]

Is that what they’re called?

Like scientifically

[light slate]

Yes, it is stated in the “dossier”

[granite stump]

Hm interesting

So it’s specifically in the ape genus

[light slate]

Literally everything besides it’s face and spikes points to it being an ape.

[mental basin]

We've been told repeatedly it's a primate lol

[agile glade]

It’s probably a genetic mutation mixed with Corruption. Think Fallout style where a creature is mutated beyond recognition due to the radiation

It’s still the same creature, but genetically different

[granite stump]

It’s specifically stated to be an experiment made at arat prime by seemingly the lost king himself in the dossier.

[mental basin]

No Corruption present

Mutation, yes

[bold dove]

Corruption would make it untamable, as well that....the Reseed Protocol kind of got rid of all of the Corruption on Earth.

[hot tinsel]

Red element is just angry element

Blue is sad

[kindred burrow]

And together they form garnetvelement

[hot tinsel]

Yellow element is joy

[kindred burrow]

Green is digust

[hot tinsel]

Rockwell is Riley

[kindred burrow]

Sounds valid

[quaint marsh]

Y'all forgot purple. It's the element that makes you wet your pants

[tidal agate]

How the heck did rockwell survive after the fight on abberation? I still cannot figure than one out even after reading the Wiki.

[bold dove]

Rockwell was an Overseer on Ab.
Meaning he can't die unless something absolutely atomizes him.

[tidal agate]

Ahhh I get it. Thank you. Still, his ride over to Genesis 2 must have been wild.
I shudder to think what would have happened If he made it to extinction and infested the Earth again with his Corrupted Element.

[fresh venture]

He did make it to extinction when the aberation ark landed on arat prime

[bold dove]

Extinction is miles away

Unless they're changing the lore, it's pretty accepted that Aberration crashed near Arat Prime.

[fresh venture]

He still landed on earth either way which was extinction

Arat prime is the lost colony

[pure cipher]

||The new Malwyn that was just announced seems like it arises from red element imo. “Artificial evolution of Veilwyn” “infused with a strange substance” to me implies that we will use red element on the veilwyn to create the Malwyn, based off the cc and just the appearance of the Malwyn. Similar to how Rockwell infused the Shinehorn on abb and made the gorehorn. It leads me to believe Rockwell might inevitably experiment on creatures / (veilwyn?) using red element. Just a theory.||

[snow hedge]

||I believe it was the veilwyn already mentioned that would have multiple evolutions like the ferox so it would be theoretically possible to mess around with the red element/other unknown substances||

[bold dove]

||Yeah, the pre-order confirms two evolutions. So this is one of them.||

[tidal agate]

Thanks for clarifying 🙏 I read Rockwells notes in their entirety last week and my lord that man went into full Narcicist mode real fast.

[gusty turret]

Average day as david tennant

[cobalt flame]

How did rockwell get to the gen 2 ship?

[granite stump]

Only issue with this theory, with the ossidon’s reveal and the lore we know of it thanks to the dossier we know it was experimented on via the Lost king, the final boss of the map. It’s presumed the Malwyn is also an experiment done like the Ossidon but tied to the Veilwyn. Reason why I say it was the lost king and not Rockwell is due to how the Malwyn and Ossidon look, they’re nearly identical, both having skull like head structures. One is just more refined while the other (the Malwyn) seems like a forceful injection/consumption of the red element. Point is, this has the lost kings fingerprints all over it

[cobalt flame]

Like itll probably be explained a bit in lost colony but hes still a walking glob right

[granite stump]

Arat prime, the super luminal link specifically. Rockwell survived the crash to earth via aberrations touch down and he likely used this new body (Edmund in the new note showed he’s back in a normal body seemingly suffering from 2 personalities, the Edmund we know as ‘normal’ and Rockwell aka the overseer of aberration) to travel through the lost colony map to Arat prime and made it to the genesis colony ship

[cobalt flame]

The super luminal link?

Kinda like a tek tp? (not exactly but u get my point)

[granite stump]

It’s a system tied between the genesis ship and arat prime, basically the last remaining data transfer left that links the two together

I presume once the lost colony ends, the link will be destroyed but only after we go through to arrive on the genesis colony ship to then participate in the genesis simulation

It sounds confusing but it’s not as bad once you look closer and connect the dots

[cobalt flame]

Wasnt it stated that the reseed protocol didnt even reach LC

[granite stump]

Yes, purely because aberration landed nearby and was damaged. Aberration couldn’t do its pulse to affect arat prime

[cobalt flame]

Wait so the reseed protocol was meant to heal earth right? So theoretically couldnt life be normal again on earth?

[granite stump]

Therefore, basically explaining why arat prime still has corrupted in the region as seen in one of the crunches prior with it showing corrupted forms of survivors, a Rex and a veilwyn

[cobalt flame]

Why are WE going to LC to begin with

[granite stump]

It’s basically normal to a degree, just not in the area of arat prime

[cobalt flame]

Or the gen ship

Im assuming rockwell