lore-nerdz

[stiff loom]

I like to think that it was thousands to millions of years because that sounds cooler 😎

[rain dock]

Millions of years and you wouldn't have ruins

Well, throw in a few dinosaurs and it can happen faster.

[glad crow]

Would the overseer help accelerate the decay of ruins?

[bold dove]

Why would it?

[glad crow]

The overseer would push survivors to challenge themselves, and having existing structures to avail of instead of making your own could compromise that slightly.

I do not think the overseer would like survivors relying on their predecessors work.

[bold dove]

Challenge isn't their only motivation. It's actually very much a last ditch effort motivation.
Their prime directive is to preserve life. (the genetic samples of life, not individual life)
If the Overseers kept challenging survivors, forcefully pushing them or punishing them for the most minute things. It would lower moral for the entire human population of an ARK. As now they have to worry not just about beasts, but not what appears to be a very angry god.
No moral or motivation leads to a lack of ingenuity. A lack of ingenuity shatters any hope of a survivor braving the Overseer itself.
Humans also literally 'REQUIRE' to learn from predecessors. As no one human can learn everything.
So, if you constantly destroy any remnants of any predecessors. You keep resetting humanity, and they'll go nowhere.

[glad crow]

Good point.

[dawn geyser]

Not entirely if they are ruins from Helena’s time on the arks
Who knows how long the arks were in the sky before them

The ruins make sense it’s been hundreds of years after the note survivors… that’s why they are in the state they are in now

On top of that Rockwell himself says it’s been ages since he’s seen a human
And a age is more then 100 years

Like throughout the game we see multiple examples wording pointing towards the story taking place over a huge timespan

And it makes sense for the story to take place over like only a hundred years considering the state of decay of earth and how the arks are now failing
Even Helena states that these errors only exist because a huge amount of time makes it unavoidable

[small hull]

“it’s been ages” could just be hyperbole

[rain dock]

My point is Helena to Bob isn't millions of years

[stiff loom]

Yes, that was what I meant. Even before the writers of the explorer notes there could have been hundreds to thousands of years before.

[swift lily]

What the hell happened to the moon on extinction

[floral sedge]

Nothing

[swift lily]

Why is it blown up

[floral sedge]

Simply a choice by the map developers that has nothing to do with the lore

I’m pretty sure

[sturdy swallow]

How did people get transported to the ARKS

[swift lily]

Are you fr

[floral sedge]

Cloning

[dawn geyser]

Moon blew up somehow no answer to why though … and never will have a answer

[bold dove]

Cause some bozo in Wildcard thought it was cool.

[median fractal]

What if ark megaladon is actually a great white shark

[topaz bolt]

What if the moon situation is just the King Titan looking up one day and deciding he didn't like it. So he directed a bunch of meteors to crash into it. Orbital 9/11.

[glad crow]

If he has enough meteors for that, then he would be essentially unstoppable.

[bold dove]

Also, pretty sure the meteors 'are' from the moon.

[floral sedge]

That’s very possible. If you notice ARKs dinos aren’t too accurate to regular dinos. I’m pretty sure they grabbed the dinos dna and mixed it with more modern dna if the creatures.

I can’t remember if that’s Jurassic world or ark

[median fractal]

Jurassic world, but it goes to hybrids

Wait no, it was said in Jurassic park 1

[bold dove]

Well, not exactly.
They're just creatures that resemble prehistoric animals.
They're not biologically the same. As creatures like 'Utah-Raptor Prime' Never existed IRL.
DNA collection from creatures that old would also be impossible. As if I recall, every DNA trace of dinosaurs have been dead for years now.

[cloud knoll]

Likely during the Element war or whatever it was called

[dawn geyser]

Yeah… I just call it the tek war

It’s only referred to as a century of open tek warfare

So 🤷‍♂️

[cloud knoll]

Since we know there were advanced aircraft since Diana was a pilot we can assume they were on the level of interstellar travel

[bold dove]

Diana's aircraft was a Jet. Not really something suitable for space.
And while they 100% had the technology for interstellar travel. (Genesis ship) I kind of doubt most militaries would put time and resources into that.
Especially when the most valuable resource (Element) is on Earth. So unless the Element meteor broke apart and crashed on our other planets. There'd be no reason to colonize Mars when the most valuable resource is on Earth.

[cloud knoll]

Yes her aircraft was a jet. But was it modern or Futuristic? Futuristic, so it may have been suitable for space. Bit I do agree with you on the second point

[lament raft]

not really on the interstellar level i think since the Genesis ship was a last ditch effort kinda thing. it was the only ftl ship as far as we know

[dawn geyser]

There are multiple ships that seem like they can enter space

I honestly think war would of been fought in space and on earth… at least the moon we know they had space infrastructure… like the space elevators which do appear in aberrations ascension

[stiff loom]

Personally I don’t think it would be very easy to survive without the moon even after the ARKs reseeded the earth. With people that were on the ARKs that are used to tides and a stable day/night cycle (because the moon influences and stabilizes the earths rotation) it would be difficult to adapt to life without it

[bold dove]

Realistically, you'd be right.
ARK logic...uhh....hmm....uhhhhh....
'BeCaUsE iT's CoOl'

[low briar]

There aren't any tides on the Ark though
All the water is flat as glass 😂

Something I'd really hoping was going to change in ASA, buuuuuut...

[bold dove]

It's suppose to be imitating a real environment. So I'd imagine canonically the ARK's would have tides.

[low briar]

Yeah probably - makes sense with the simulated moon/sky

[stiff loom]

I like to imagine a developer meeting going a little something like this:
Dev 1: How should we make Ark look cooler?
Dev 2: What if we tidally lock the earth and blow up the moon?
Dev 3: Why? What will this have to do with the story?
Dev 2: I don’t know… But it looks cool!
all devs nod in agreement

[west kernel]

The moon is the friends we made in the way.

But I don’t know, they are an ultra civilization they would just made their own moon.

At this point they won’t ruin all that “Hurray you made Earth a nice place again”

[stiff loom]

I don’t know about you, but I don’t tend to blow up my friends…

[west kernel]

Well, in my tribe I am known for having blasted my tribemates with a shotgun

Minor missclick

Now that I think about it.

Since the Ark returned home.

Does that mean that canonically, the Dinos we’ve tamed in the 3 arks end up with us in Extintion?

Supposing they didn’t starve in the meanwhile.

[stiff loom]

“Misclick”

[stiff loom]

Yeah, they could’ve.

[stiff loom]

Assuming they survived reentry

[bold dove]

That ultra civilization is destroyed by the end of Extinction.

Everything with Element is eradicated on Earth during the ending.

[stiff loom]

I don’t know exactly how big the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was, but I assume the ARKs were similar in size, and with hundreds of them falling from the sky at the same time, I feel like it would have just killed them all anyway.

[west kernel]

Weeeellll the ending custcene shows people and Dinos getting out of the arks

[stiff loom]

It’s probably just a plot hole that we probably shouldn’t think too hard about

[west kernel]

Well, we learned to craft a perfect riot in a fabricator (which we crafted in a smithy) I don’t see why we couldn’t craft a moon in an argentavis

[bold dove]

Gameplay over lore, my friend.

[west kernel]

Yeah I’m just messing.

But idk, they will probably figure out something.

[bold dove]

Like, it's not impossible to survive on a moonless planet. Just really, really hard.

[west kernel]

Anyway, I don’t see us seeing Extintion so we shouldn’t bother about it

[stiff loom]

Exactly. I said that it would be difficult to survive, but we could eventually adapt.

[west kernel]

I mean an Extintion post titan

[west kernel]

Maybe the arks that landed in the earth could somehow, someway help about it.

[stiff loom]

Maybe. For awhile we would probably be just trying to survive before trying to do stuff like that.

[west kernel]

Yeah but what I mean

Maybe the survivors will live in the shells of the arks

Provided the land of the island, SE and that stuff are left intact

As seen in the ending custcene

[stiff loom]

Somehow they are intact. I don’t know how since they are probably the size of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. I’m surprised that the impact of the reseeding doesn’t just cause a global extinction.

[west kernel]

Maybe they have some kind of counterforce to slow the landing

When they ask you about it, the tek did it

[stiff loom]

Yeah. Most Ark questions could be answered with just “Magic space rock go brr.”

[west kernel]

But I still don’t know what they will do about ASAs new maps (which they said new maps were coming)

[bold dove]

Most of ARK's universe is bullshit logic, just because it sounded cool to add.

[west kernel]

“You sure a 50 meters dinosaur with the bite force of a sun collapsing is a good idea”

Yeah sure, add it in.

[stiff loom]

Real. But if you don’t think about it too hard then it is cool!

[bold dove]

That's the issue.
Any rational person that's into world building in other games 'will' look into ARK's lore too hard.

[stiff loom]

Like us

[west kernel]

It’s not even that the Ark story have little plot holes

Is that Genesis is a thing, and that is a huge plot hole

[bold dove]

Oh no, there's some plot holes and world building issues during the original maps as well.

[west kernel]

Devs say the survivor from Extintion can be the same as in Genesis.

But Genesis ship left thousands of years before you even got to the island

[bold dove]

Well, that's actually due to Arat Prime.

Arat Prime still had a terminal that could transfer any survivors from Earth to the ship.
It's how Rockwell got onto it.

It's not really a plot hole. Just shittly explained in a Tweet instead of in-game

[west kernel]

Yeah and Arat prime was like some random place in the side of the earth were the sun doesn’t shine?

Because the earth stopped rotating

[bold dove]

It was the launch site of the Genesis ship

[west kernel]

Yeah which was in the other side of earth I mean, or so I think I’ve read

[stiff loom]

I like the ark lore… but needing to be explained in a tweet and not in game is just bad storytelling

[west kernel]

I also THINK Helena and Mei Yin got to Arat prime right?

This is knowledge from the notes I haven’t read for 5 years maybe

[exotic plaza]

Ark lore is best taken in stride without thinking too hard about it. The story has tons of issues, so it's really just a loose premise to backdrop a cool dinosaur game into. It starts to unravel if you dig too deeply

[bold dove]

Nah, when I mean ARK's story has issues. I mean other things.
We see Element, and in turn Corruption warping and twisting planets throughout the galaxy in Gen-2.
This of course confirms Element has been to other planets before Earth.
Though, Element was able to be beaten by a bunch of primates that dominate their planet by....using itself against it?
How long has Element existed within our universe? And if for millenniums. How the fuck did it get outsmarted by such a primitive civilization compared to itself?
Has it never encounter a sapient species before?
Are we 'the' most technologically advanced civilization in our galaxy? And if not, how the fuck did it not encounter the same issues with the other civilizations?
You'd think a hivemind species that can warp reality to do whatever it wants, would know that if used correctly. Other species can use it to destroy itself.

"I used the stone to destroy the stones"

[west kernel]

Then ask about Rockwells mutation?

How can he eat element and become a Demi god, and I eat organic polymer and die.

Jokes aside

Are we supposed to think that if you infuse element to yourself you become that thing

A literally demigod?

[bold dove]

It kind of reminds me of Halo, to an extent.
It'd be like if the Forerunners based their entire technology on the flood, and the flood just using it to wipe out the Forerunners. Cause it's literally shards of themselves the Forerunners are using.
**Oh wait, that does happen in Halo. **

[west kernel]

How many species could’ve done that?
Why didn’t he just get corrupted like normal corrupt dinosaurs

How did the element even arrive in the first place to Earth?

Did it come on a meteorite and shitted on the laws of the physics and multiplied itself.

[bold dove]

So, just a personal theory. But I think the Corruption can pick and choose who gets infected and who becomes a demigod.
Rockwell was an obessive old man that could easily be manipulated to think he's the one in control. And so, the Corruption needed some form of power within the ARK's. As it's main issue is that the Corruption can't reach the ARK's.
So, it used this obsessive old man to start the downfall of the ARK's, and spread his influance on it.
Issue is, the system outsmarted the Corruption and just quarantined the ARK.

The Corruption could've also knew the King Titan's time was nearing its end. Since it nearly lost its last fight.
So it needed a backup plan.

Which REALLY gives me Flood/Gravemind vibes.
Aaaaand it was outsmarted by one tiny oversight.

[west kernel]

Well makes kinda sense

But why wouldn’t the element make everyone a demigod?

If it is still in control, why not have 100 gods instead of 1 god and 99 regular humans

I forgot! Because the element wanted it that way.

[fallow sapphire]

I think it’s more how the element is administered to someone. Cause I highly doubt the Corruption would have cared for what Rockwell did to the light pet. We also don’t truly know how creatures on Earth got corrupted. Was it by digesting bits of element, or just living on a planet with it for long enough. Either way, Rockwell’s method was entirely different by injecting element straight into himself, thus a very different instance than how creatures on Earth get corrupted

[stiff loom]

Speaking of corruption, why aren’t snow owls and gasbags and other creatures on extinction corrupted?

[fallow sapphire]

And on this, I think you overestimate Corruption’s intelligence. Cause with all the time the ARK’s were in space, it had access to all the knowledge left on earth, including the Reseed Protocol. Yet, if it did learn about all this, it’s best plan was to create gigantic avatars to squash any bugs that try to activate the Reseed Protocol. Corruption in itself doesn’t seem to be that intelligent, only through Rockwell and his who knows how many years on the ARK was it able to take over the Genesis Ship, and even that it didn’t take over fully

[bold dove]

The intelligence of the hivemind seems inconsistent, and works only with the plot.
In some situations, it seems smart.
It purposely picks and chooses what to corrupt, as seen in-game via The One Who Waits notes.
She describes how anything useful is converted, and anything useless is devoured and extinct. (basically the Flood)
Though, in other cases it's really, really fucking dumb. And when it's dumb, it bites itself in the ass.

[fallow sapphire]

i feel like thats a different form of intelligence. Corruption being able to figure out creatures are powerful or structures being dangerous is very different from deciphering sentient beings plans to develop a way to stop it

[bold dove]

And yet, it also understood the threat of having humans build up a camp. And sent 'ALL' of its forced towards them. Resulting in one of the most intelligent humans of the time dying.
If I recall right as well, in the Extinction notes it was somewhat hinted that they had militaristic like tactics. Understanding flanking and flushing out their enemies.

[fallow sapphire]

also on your point of how primitive beings beat it, that takes into question of how many other worlds it has taken over. Earth fell because of its overusage of element based weaponry. Although the effect it had may happen with or without an element war, i would imagine most species either aren't intelligent enough to do anything about it, or are smart enough to combat it before it's to big of a problem

[fallow sapphire]

fair

[bold dove]

We've seen multiple planets in Gen-2 being fully taken over by Corruption.

The astro-creatures also naturally eat Element within space.
It's safe to say it has encountered a comical amount of planets that it'd be hard to believe it never encountered anything like humanity before.

[fallow sapphire]

fair, but then that brings into question how vast is the hivemind? Is it truly all element, or is there a limit? Can it control the element in the ARK's, atleast to an extent, or is it cut off on Earth?

[bold dove]

And with the Aratai's. It's shown that humanity aren't the only dominant intelligent species.
The Aratai's show potential for a future civilization to form. (if it doesn't turn out they actually where, and just nuked themselves into unga-bunga mode)

[bold dove]

To an extent, it can.
Rockwell knows about the Titans, and believes his destiny is to strike them down and help recover Earth 'WITH' Element.
That doesn't sound like a Rockwell original plan. He isn't one to normally go out and fight.
That was 100% the Corruption's plan that implanted itself.

[exotic plaza]

He chose blue ending and should have gone red

[bold dove]

Exactly.

Kill them all.

[exotic plaza]

It's the only way to be sure you haven't been indoctrinated

[bold dove]

Man chose to control the Reapers, not destroy them.

It's bad that I knew that reference only from it being color-coded.

The RGB ending.

[exotic plaza]

yeah it wasn't great, but red was the only true option for someone who was paying attention

Shepard was being indoctrinated the whole time

[fallow sapphire]

thats with all the knowledge the ARK's held and Helena talking to him. It doesn't specifically have to be Corruption communicating with him, but his opportunity to create a world in his image

[exotic plaza]

And so was Rockwell!

[bold dove]

Red was a good ending.
Just wish they only did the red ending, with multiple red sub-endings that change depending on your choices throughout the trilogy.

[exotic plaza]

Agreed

[bold dove]

Sorry, got sidetracked. Reading this now.

[fallow sapphire]

just to clarify, I'm not refuting the possibility that element's hivemind is everything, more just shooting out other ideas that also make sense

[bold dove]

Nah, fair. There's always going to be a devil's advocate.
(though also, I believe he literally has stated that it whispers to him when he first found liquid Element on Aberration. And the fact his last few moments alive was regret kind of shows in a writing perspective that he's been manipulated this whole time.)

[fallow sapphire]

this is true, but that doesn't mean 100% that the element on Aberration is connected to the rest of Corruption

same goals, different minds

[bold dove]

That defeats the purpose of a hivemind

It's a colony then, not a hivemind.

[fallow sapphire]

heck, it could be him literally going insane and element isn't actually doing anything

[fallow sapphire]

which is my point, how do we know that the element on other planets is on the same hivemind as that on Earth

[bold dove]

Again, wouldn't be a hivemind then. Would defeat the purpose.
ARK's lore is heavily inspired by multiple films, shows, and games.
Element is more or less a evil-fied version of the protomolecule from The Expanse. Which was a fully on hivemind.

Just for context. A hivemind is when everything and anything connected to that entity is within one single mind.
It's not a hivemind if they can separate and branch off. It's a ant colony at that point.
Helena has stated that Corruption is a hivemind.

The necromorph's from Dead Space are a hivemind.
The Flood from Halo are a hivemind.
Every individual connected by one consciousness.

[fallow sapphire]

By that definition, yes, Corruption is a dumb ass. Infinite knowledge spread across the entire universe

[bold dove]

That's the definition of a hive mind.

[fallow sapphire]

I know

[bold dove]

It's a bit funny to see some people call ants a hiveminded species, when they're not.
Cause hiveminds are fictional.

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah, I’ve always found that amusing as well

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying.
Element has been confirmed to be a hiveminded entity.
If a corrupted raptor sees you, the entire Corruption throughout the entire universe knows of your existence. (which is a horrifying thought)
Yet....it allowed itself to be outsmarted by technology made from itself?

[fallow sapphire]

If it was the case that it never faced a species that could fight it whatsoever, then it could make some sense. But like you said, in the grand scheme of the universe the odds of it never encountering a situation like this makes no sense

[bold dove]

Especially when we have a proof of concept that they have.
The Aratai's.

They're not smart, yet.
But the fact they just confirmed the existence of other alien life that could be on-par to humanity now leaves many questions.

If the Aratai's can exist. What makes humanity so special anymore?

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed

I could understand if it didn’t know how to combat technology that was using itself. Obviously there could have been other life that tried it, but honestly talking about the infinite amount of life that could be in the universe opens up a can of worms that brings up a number of different possibilities

[bold dove]

There's also the theory that it was possibly created. So it would have knowledge of their creatures technological .

[fallow sapphire]

If it had that knowledge of its creators, there should literally be no way any world survives

There should already be little chance of any world surviving, but basically no chance if it had that knowledge

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying.
The more you think about it. The less ARK's world building makes any sense.

[fallow sapphire]

Oh yeah, that much I know

They put thought into the world building for sure, but the dinosaur survival game was definitely priority over fact checking everything

[bold dove]

Seems like by the end of the day. The lore is to serve the gameplay and what the dev's thought was cool to add. Not to merge lore and gameplay into something unanimous and consistent with each other.

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed, and us lore nerdz suffer for it

[bold dove]

Which is sad, cause I'd like to see a unanimous version of ARK's lore that actually works with each other.

It's why I wouldn't be surprised if they made Power Rangers canon to ARK.
I know they probably wont, due to listensing expiring and shit like that. But I wouldn't be surprised if they considered it.

"Just cause it's cool"

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed

[junior pendant]

can someone write out the whole ase lore please

[junior pendant]

@fallow sapphire @bold dove

and im fr

[bold dove]

@junior pendant

[junior pendant]

i ned you to write it

need

[junior pendant]

[stiff loom]

Magic space rock cool

[junior pendant]

WHAT

[small hull]

magic space rock start war

[floral sedge]

war causes accelerated pollution

[cloud knoll]

Pollution cause space stations

[topaz bolt]

and big space ship

[cloud knoll]

People wake up on space stations

[topaz bolt]

People meet each other on space stations

[west kernel]

People goes on vacation to another space station after murdering in a brutal way the boss of the space station firm

[cloud knoll]

Person gains trust of tribe then betrays them to learn about magic space rock

Then goes to other space station and injects himself with magic space rock turning him into big bad

[sturdy swallow]

are the non-story arks like lost island and ragnarok canon but not in the story?

[floral sedge]

Nope

Not even as other arks

They just don’t exist

[bold dove]

Nope.

[sturdy swallow]

ok

[lofty scaffold]

Oh it will probably get retconned

Power rangerz

[cloud knoll]

We don't really know that. During the Island ascension we see many more arks. They could honestly exist. We just may not see them

[cloud knoll]

Potentially

[manic trail]

It would be cool if the custom maps had their own lore, separate from the lore of the official maps, Fjordur would be full of lore if this was the case.

[fallow sapphire]

It has been directly stated that the non-story arks are not canon, so they are definitely not canon

[cloud knoll]

Where'd it say that?

[fallow sapphire]

a crunch quite a ways back, don't know the exact one but they do state that they are not canon

[cloud knoll]

So in Helen's story they don't even exist as other ARKs orbiting the earth? Feel like it should be where they do exist cause why else would they exist then as playable maps?

[fallow sapphire]

It would make sense, atleast for some of them, but yeah they have been stated to not be canon

Definitely could do head canons, but it isn’t part of the official canon

[lofty scaffold]

Rag was supposed to have its own story line

Wildcard don't care abt the lore anymore so yes my head canon everything exists they just aren't apart of Helenas story

[left prism]

Yes

[floral sedge]

Really?

[hybrid sand]

Why did Helena become homo deus ?

[lyric tendon]

last ditch effort to save Mei

[hybrid sand]

Ty

[floral sedge]

She got high on extinction then had highly accurate hallucinations/visions

Trust

[lofty scaffold]

She took a premiere dab

[bold dove]

Reverse to what Mazzy said.
It was Mei's last ditch effort to save Helena. As Helena was clinically dead for a bit.

[lament raft]

it was a mix of both?

Helena had absorbed the artifact they found and told Mei what to do

[thorn ore]

she eated the artifact trust me

[vagrant locust]

Rockwell really had something going with injecting himself with element

Think of the hundreds of thousands of survivors tested over the years. How many actually bettered themselves as much as Rockwell did? Even if it is somewhat monstrous. His Aberrant form seemed to be a phase if you compare it to his prime version.

I think proper study in that area could be worth looking in to

I imagine as element is sentient it would have some sort of bad effect on humans with it in their blood

But theres beings with good corruption such as managarmrs and snow owls. So why not humans?

[fallow sapphire]

Because humans are sentient enough to use it for evil. Even if a few don’t, a few will. And then we’ll have tek war v.2

Most tribes never got access to element, Aberration being the only ARK we know of where element was given abundantly to survivors. And that was under the specification of survivors being from the tek era, thus knowing about elements ability. Have it around someone from an earlier century, and you have Rockwell.

[floral sedge]

My guess is evolution

The managarmers and stuff adapted to it over time

Taking a look at dinos and stuff they got corruption and the proto arks kept constantly producing the same dinos (hence why they couldn’t adapt to it)

Humans couldn’t adapt to it overtime either (because most of them went extinct)

And because humans were sentient they got corrupted but still had control of themselves

I’m confused on if Rockwell prime is corrupted by element

[dawn geyser]

Yeah the extinction creatures evolved ways to lower element levels in there bodies so that they can benefit but not be taken over by element

[floral sedge]

That makes me wonder if there are any humans that adapted to the corruption

[dawn geyser]

I’m pretty sure that Rockwell is corrupted… Element is weird as it can either become like a zombie or mutated either way element talk/controls the creature

[dawn geyser]

I wish we got corrupted survivors on extinction

Imagine hords of element zombies

[floral sedge]

Also I hope there are corrupted survivors during osds riding dinos and stuff

I was typing my message right when you sent yours 💀

[hybrid sand]

But what Mei did to Helena that made she ascend ?

[hybrid sand]

Where did the element come from ?

[bold dove]

There was a machine within the sunken forest cave that was used back then to create Homo-Deus's.
Mei put Helena in it

[bold dove]

Meteor.

[hybrid sand]

Hummm

Ty

[hybrid sand]

So, it's alien

[bold dove]

Yep.

[dawn geyser]

Space

[hybrid sand]

It's artificial ?

[dawn geyser]

The extinction intro states it’s a alien element

It’s natural

It comes from somewhere in the universe and in gen 2 we see planets taken over by it

It’s a element that has a mind of its own and controls things like puppets when they are infected by it

Idk if it’s worth anything but Rockwell mentions that it’s what lights the stars… so maybe it’s Origen is from the cores of some stars
All we know is it landed on earth and fucked us up like the other planets

[hybrid sand]

But we were responsible for it, right? By using it

[bold dove]

Yes, and no.

It came from a meteor, but acting only as a resource.
It's still unknown why Corruption started, only popular theories.
We do know though that Element spreads via usage of it. As it spreads via the byproduct produced from it.
Though, none of this was an issue until the Element went Corrupt.

[dawn geyser]

It’s kinda of both

Like we spread the element faster

But it was all ready a mass killing monster

[dawn geyser]

Like… In the end it is element that’s trying to kill us we just happened to basically give it a kick start

[bold dove]

Yesn't-ish?
It does spread, 100%.
Though we still have no confirmation of how Corruption starts. As even in Gen-2, we never see the Element ridden planets being Corrupted. Just infested with Element.

[dawn geyser]

A hlna note gives us a element profile and in its natural form it states it’s highly corruptive, radioactive, ect
We know that element is naturally corruptive we just made it go faster because of “ a century of tek warfare”

[bold dove]

Wonder if it's just weird inconsistency.
Cause again, in Gen-2 there's a cycle we go to that seems to be a fully Element ridden planet.
Yet, it doesn't harvest any Corruption nodes from it?
Just a bit strange to me.

[bold dove]

Wonder also if HLN-A might've meant this in a less literal way, and more of a 'it corrupts minds of political figures'.
Akin to how one may argue that gold is a corruptive material.

[dawn geyser]

When scientists make a property chart for elements they don’t say gold is corruptive
I’m less inclined to believe that because hlna’s notes are supposed to teach us
She has also stated before that it did make people go mad over wanting it but I see no reason why that applies on a element property chart

[bold dove]

That's fair.
But the above still makes me confused.

[dawn geyser]

What part ?

[bold dove]

@dawn geyser

[dawn geyser]

Like why we can’t harvest corrupt nodes from rocks in space ?
It’s organic material the nodes you only get them off of corrupted Dino’s

[bold dove]

No, as in 'how come this planet that in-theory is covered in Element, only has Element and no Corruption?'

Cause the ship harvests Element crystals from the planet during that cycle. No Element nodes.

[floral sedge]

Element doesn’t actually seem to be bad

Corruption is just a byproduct of element

I’m pretty sure correct me if I’m wrong

[dawn geyser]

Element once again is a living thing with the motives to kill sure it has wonderful properties that help us but we abused it and sped up the damage

It wants life gone it’s not a good things but I has some wonderful properties

[bold dove]

That's what I thought as well. But more or less, this is incorrect.

[dawn geyser]

Nothing living on it… it’s just in its solid form… just like the meteor that landed on earth

[bold dove]

Basically every world leader.

[dawn geyser]

Idk it’s just a pain they won’t give us answers

Like why can’t they give us a time line or more facts in game

Like it’s becoming frustrating how little they give us lmao

[bold dove]

Probably cause they want to milk this question as much as they can for marketing.

[dawn geyser]

The lore community it’s all ready small tho most play for the game play…

It’s more of oh dinosaur game and less about the story behind said Dino game

[floral sedge]

I guess you could use the damage on extinction as a starting point. But the metal in the city is fused with element and element probably changes chemical reactions with what it bonds to

[bold dove]

Story-wise, why else would any lore nerd be interested in ARK-2 if it (seemingly) is so heavily disconnected from the first game's story?
Cause they'll sprinkle some more shit about Element in it, but not enough to satisfy anyone.

[bold dove]

More or less, the Element used during construction is dead.

[dawn geyser]

I wouldn’t say dead it’s more of just trapped and can’t do anything

[cloud knoll]

Remember, there's a processed and unprocessed version of element. The processed is the kind we the player use. The unprocessed is what Rockwell used

[dawn geyser]

Yes

But it’s never cut off from the hive mind

Pure is the most dangerous and refined is like freezing the body of element still thinking but can do anything at all

[stiff loom]

Is it possible that element was artificially made? Could have been made by aliens for conquest or other purposes, but it went wrong and grew out of control. Like a grey goo type of thing.

[fallow sapphire]

It is indeed possible, but absolutely no information has been shared to Element’s origin

[bold dove]

It's more likely to be artificial then natural.

Wildcard really likes to take many, many inspirations from other media pieces for the lore.
RedGear had a theory that Wildcard could take a Half-Life approach, and have it that Element was created by a inter-dimensional super species. And Element is trying to find this universes equivalent to their creators to manipulate them into making a gateway between our dimension and the creators.

[hybrid sand]

The element is like the goo from the Alien movies

The black goo that mutates everything alive that comes into contact with it

[bold dove]

More like the thing from The Expanse.

[sturdy swallow]

why did the broodmother get bodied in such a low quality way in the animated series

[floral sedge]

They were using mods

Hence why purlovias are rideable

[lament raft]

because it's a show and it doesn't play as well to see them breed 20 dinos to take on a boss

[limber valley]

Because the Terran Element learned violence from man's cruelty

We used it for genetic engineering and advanced warfare, and it continued to do that.

[bold dove]

Never confirmed.

Give me solid proof of that.

[limber valley]

My face when I need to give proof to a literal theory that, like literally every other interpretation of the resource, has not been confirmed by Wildcard.

Element is described as intelligent, but not malevolent.

We know for a fact that humanity used element for warfare as an energy source, but element is also used as alchemical catalyst, allowing for the literal transmutation of resources into their base elements on the molecular level; this is how the Tek Replicator and Specimen Implant do their crafting, they literally reformat the materials given, and 3D print the desired object from the selected Engram.

This alchemical property also allows for the literal cloning of matter, in the form of the Tek Cloning machine.

I theorize that humanity used Element to artificially forge the genome for the fantasy creatures we see in Ark, and both sides of the conflict pitted these genetic aberrations against themselves, engineering the creatures to counter the others. Rock Drakes being able to sense to presence of Reapers, and Rock Elementals being able to resist all of the breath attacks of the various wyvern types are clear examples of this.

In the end, I believe the element hivemind learned from this, and began to understand WHAT it was being used for. Perhaps the reason why corrupted creatures exist is because the element seeded itself in the corpses of these fallen war machines and animals and reanimated them, just as it brought them to life before, either from nothing, or from extinction itself.

Tl;Dr, Element had many practical applications and began to make use of this automatically without the input of humans, causing "corruption" in element, as it began acting in an unintentional way.

[cloud knoll]

I like how you explained this. I agree that it isn't inherently evil and the way humans used it was why it became "evil" and started corrupting things. Kinda like how all evil AI/Robot movies start

[bold dove]

I'll go through the message in a bit, as it's most likely well put together.
But the issue with this mindset, is multiple times in the notes, characters have referred to Element as a entity with malice.

You have Homo-Deus Helena that refers to Corruption as something that can only feel hatred and malice towards all life.
Then you have HLN-A in Gen-1 referring Element as a Corruptive substance.
If taken literal, this means Corruption is just the end state/natural assurance for Element to go evolve into.

[cloud knoll]

Because at that point it would have inherited the evil traits/intentions of the humans that were using it. If this is how it happened though

[cloud knoll]

Perhaps, unfortunately we may never truly know everything about this stuff.

[bold dove]

Personally, I think that theory would be more interesting in a writing perspective.
But more recent things in the Genesis maps seem to point that Element is just flat out evil, for the sake of being evil.
Especially since Wildcard loves taking heavy amounts of inspiration from other media pieces. Seems like they're wanting to turn Element into a Flood-like situation from Halo.

[cloud knoll]

I like to think about element as Marvel made Ultron. He was created with good intentions but he saw through that to what was really happening. He saw humans for what they were. So what did he do, he turned evil. Or how other movies with AI or robots, they see or take on the bad parts of humans.

Just my way of thinking about it

[bold dove]

Well sure, you can think that.
But I'm more trying to go off of what is so-far confirmed, and seems to be the likely approach with more recent lore dumps.

This is a direct quote from the original writer on a Q&A after Extinction released.
-Question: "Abig question left after Extinction is "Where did element come from?" Was it a happenstance it landed on Earth or was it sent here? If that isn't a spoiler for Genesis 2, of course! "
-Answer: "- The short answer is "space." It came on a meteor and spread rapidly - in part with the help of humans. It does have some intelligence, so it could have guided itself towards signs of biological lifeforms a la the Proto Molecule from The Expanse. More than that, I can't elaborate on though, sorry! "

[cloud knoll]

Or another way to think about it while taking into account the lore is that element is a living metal, it converts nearby matter into itself however there are certain situations that can accelerate this spread. Since it is living though it has a mind that can think for itself it would eventually learn to hate humans after what they used it for and therefore turned evil determined to wipe them out. This is where the corruption begins and the titans are made. However there is a way to "domesticate" if you will, this is in the form of the element that the Arks/ Genesis ship were built with and what we the player use. So I guess there is peaceful and hostile element, kinda like the Element taken over planet we see in Gen 2.

[bold dove]

So, the theory that was made by one of the more active lord enthusiasts in the community (they talk more in the ARK lore discord instead of here) Theories that, since Wildcard LOVES to just flat out take aspects from other games and give them a minor twist to not get copyrighted. (Pacific Rim, Halo, etc) their next plan for Element is to take it the Command & Conquer route.
What he means by this, is that. Is that C&C literally made Element before Wildcard did.
C&C has a substance called Tiberium that came from a meteor.
The usages of Tiberium was unlimited, and due to political greed. This caused another World War from two of the most powerful nations trying to hog all of the Tiberium.
Due to the overuse of Tiberium weaponry, the Earth got slowly polluted with remnants of Tiberium.
Turns out that Tiberium is semi-alive and can mutate living organisms into monsters.

All of that is basically the Tek-War from ARK.

[cloud knoll]

Interesting, still like mine better

No offense

[bold dove]

What is there to like better?
It's kind of clear they just ripped off a older games lore.

[cloud knoll]

So, others do it all the time. The amount of minecraft and pokemon ripoff are to many to count at this point. I know that ain't lore but who cares

[bold dove]

"I know that ain't lore but who cares"
The only person that you're currently talking to, about 'LORE' stuff, kind of cares you're comparing an apple to a yarn.

And the point isn't if they're ripoffs or not.
It's the fact that they took so much from C&C's story, that ARK's story seems to be a bit predictable.

"ARK has a substance called Element that came from a meteor.
The usages of Element was unlimited, and due to political greed. This caused another World War from two of the most powerful nations trying to hog all of the Element.
Due to the overuse of Element weaponry, the Earth got slowly polluted with remnants of Element.
Turns out that Element is semi-alive and can Corrupt living organisms into monsters."
The fact I just copy and pasted a segment from my last message, and switch 'Tiberium' with 'Element', and how stupidly similar this is to ARK's lore kind of ruins the magic of the entire lore of ARK, personally.
Unless they make a sudden B-line away from this original inspiration, we can just look at the last C&C game to see where ARK's storyline is heading, and how it'll end.

[cloud knoll]

I admit I didn't think about it that way. Perhaps the main reason they haven't given us a substantial explanation for this is either because it would bring this connection to light or so they can divert it by giving it a whole different and expanded story when it does come to light? Doubt that makes much sense but just an idea that came to me

[sturdy swallow]

is bob canon now

since hes in the animatd series

[cloud knoll]

Guess so

[fallow sapphire]

Not to the point you make, as the animated series is not canon to the game, however as Bob’s Tall Tales are set on Ark 2, it would seem he is canon there

[floral sedge]

Maybe there’s too different universes

One is the games lore and the other is tas lore

[fallow sapphire]

i mean sure, if you want to make it complicated. The simplest form though is just that the animated series and the game have two distinct stories that do not affect each other

[last sundial]

Wait did ragnarok turn himself into a monster?

[rigid grove]

Ragnarok is a map, unless you meant Rockwell, in which case yes he did basically

[last sundial]

Oh

Thanks

[mellow granite]

Is this a relatively spoiler unjderstood channel? I want to ask a question about moving around maps but don't want to get into hot water. OK, to ask story questions here?

[rigid grove]

As long as its lore related

[fallow sapphire]

We can stay fairly spoiler free if you want, though don’t expect to come in here regularly without spoilers. Whatcha wanna know?

[mellow granite]

I am playing a very lore centric play through of all the maps. I am curious when the 'thing' happens at the end of the Island. And say... you want to maybe play on Scorched Earth now. How does the story feel about your memories (engrams), dinos, gear, etc. I know we technically have the ability to go where we lilke but I would really like to play it through the way the 'lore' tells the story, not necessarily the way the game mechanics allow you to. If that makes sense.

[fallow sapphire]

From the story perspective, once you complete the Island, you will depart for Scorched Earth. From there to Aberration, then Extinction, then Genesis Part 1, then Genesis Part 2. Keeping your character would be canon, items/creatures less so.

We will eventually have a new story dlc for ASA, but we don’t yet know where it will fit into the timeline

[mellow granite]

OK so that was kind of the core of my question. When you arrive on Scorched Earth, you would still be 'you' and whatever level you were when you completed the Island. Buck nekid I am guessing with no gear or dinos though. Kind of a Terminator teleport? Looks at nearby jerboa "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."

[fallow sapphire]

Yep, precisely. The transfer from Aberration to Extinction would be allowed to bring items though

[mellow granite]

OK, thank you very much everyone.

On a side not I just thought, wow, you better drink an engram tonic before you leave otherwise you might land in the middle of a heat wave, with no engrams points to spend and hundreds of thousands of XP before your next level and no way to learn adobe or any new life saving gear. O.O

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah, it would certainly suck

[floral sedge]

Depends on the jump from extinction to genesis if your playing map through map

You can choose to start again from Genesis or transfer your extinction survivor

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed, unless the new story map is set between the two

[bold dove]

What idontsk8 said was mostly true. But one thing was a bit off.
Technically, you do canonically transfer with items/armor, as everyone else ascended with anything they had on them.
As for creatures. It's never specifically stated if they can travel with survivors or not. As all attempts in the story goes flat, outside of one.
(every tame died during the Overseer's fight on The Island, and Helena gave Radar to Raia before she left Scorched.)
Though, Extinction does confirm the gateway project/Aberration's ascension does transfer tames. As they brought their Aberration creatures to Extinction.

ARK also has a tendency to try to explain away gameplay mechanics in their canon, instead of having them just be mechanics for the sake of a video game like most other games.
So, it's more than likely transferring tames could be canon. But just never outright stated to be. (outside of Aberration.)

[limber valley]

Personally I always bring 1 creature type across the maps each time I ascend.

From Island to Scorched and Scorched to Aberration, I really don't have a set tame to take with me.

But I definitely take Rock Drakes from Aberration to Extinction. They are probably the best tame to bring there, and additionally, I will have the Rock Drake Tek Saddle Tekgram unlocked after ascension, meaning I can get a decent upgrade in the Extinction map, especially since Extinction has all of the Aberration Resources.

[bold dove]

I just realized something.

Carchar's can fit through the door for the tek-cave.

[limber valley]

But can't go in to the teleporter I'm guessing

[bold dove]

That means, technically you could argue that canonically, you could bring a Carchar through the tek-cave, teleport to the Overseer arena (since teleport weight doesn't canonically exist), fuck up the Overseer with a beast of a creature, and ascend onto Scorched with the biggest Trump card you've ever held against, and give the Scorched Overseer the biggest middle finger.

[limber valley]

I mean, Mei Yin fought the Megapithicus with a damn Giga, it wouldn't be that outrageous in my opinion

[bold dove]

Only downside is that the Carchar would probably have to stay on Scorched.
Since the tek-cave on Scorched is located through a door within the Manticore colosseum. (before ASA for some reason removed the door.)

[limber valley]

Also, I have a little bit of an odd theory

[bold dove]

Throw it at me.

[limber valley]

What if the reason why Scorched Earth has only one guardian is because the Manticore is being directly controlled by the Overseer, not a Guardian Intelligence

A bit of personal flair

[bold dove]

Don't think that's how it works.
Guardians are just genetically modified animals.
And there's no rules that hint that the Overseer can take control over other creatures. Only that it can roughly mimic them with a shapeless form.
I'm 99% sure the reason why it only has one guardian, is cause in Wildcards eyes, they have better things to do.

[limber valley]

That's fair enough

[mellow granite]

If I might bother with a follow up question. Is there any story precedence for the use of the gateways in the opposite direction? Is travel back to previously defeated maps lore appropriate or simply another game mechanic?

[mellow granite]

Also, I have seen some defeat the Overseer only to be back on the Island and others do it and land on Scorchec Earth. It is random or do you only progress if you defeat the Alpha version? 😰

[limber valley]

Your survivor gets uploaded after, you can then just "download" your survivor onto an ARK, this can be the map you just ascended off of, or literally any other ARK.

You can ascend from ANY ascension level

Additionally, this is literally just how going from map to map works.

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah the items thing is where you need to make the choice of ingame vs lore, cause ingame it seems like you go with nothing. As for creatures, I’m actually curious what note that was cause I don’t remember that whatsoever

[fallow sapphire]

The boss difficulties are not canon technically. As for which map you go to, the ending cutscene takes you to the next map in the story, so although you could do other maps first story wise you should be doing it Island-Scorched-Aberration and so on

[mellow granite]

Do you happen to know if there is any precedence in the story for traveling back to previous maps? Or lore wise do we consider it a one way trip?

[fallow sapphire]

It’s definitely a thing yes, Helena wanted to return to the Island on Scorched but Rockwell insisted on Aberration. Game wise it seems fairly set in stone that you are constantly progressing, but story says you can

However to canonically do it you’d have to beat the map again

[mellow granite]

Helena: "Honey the desert was beautiful thank you. What do you say we go back to the beautiful paradise with all the water and hang out on the beach? Make some drinks..." Rockwell: "No, we are pushing on to the bleak, dark, nightmarish hellscape like we planned. We are making great time and the deposits are non-refundable."

[limber valley]

Maybe it WAS a choice, but Helena modified the program to lead you to Aberration no matter what

[lofty scaffold]

Abb is my favorite tby

[bronze turtle]

Are new creatures that are offical addet by wildcard canon? Like the carcha? And the Dinos that come with the "new" Maps on ASA? Like the Gigantoraptor or that big Sand thing that can go in sand on scorch earth

[topaz bolt]

If a creature is added to a map after the map has been released and the story written. It's not canon to it.

[bronze turtle]

So the next canon creatures we get in the next ARK DLC?

[topaz bolt]

If it's a brand new story DLC then all the creatures that come with it will be canon. Any that are added afterwards like vote dinos will not be canon.

[tired osprey]

Case #45257 @wise tundra has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

Case #45258 @bitter geode has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[fallow sapphire]

I don’t entirely agree with the sentiment that those creatures aren’t canon. I feel like them being on the story maps canonizes them, as not every creature was mentioned in the notes. All the new creatures are however getting explorer notes. Does that specifically mean I agree with some of the things said in the dossiers? No, but I don’t directly see why they wouldn’t be canon

[serene quiver]

I think if they have dossiers written by Helena we can definitely consider them canon (even though Genesis animals don’t have proper dossiers)…since ASA is in early access the story can be considered somewhat “in-progress” / under revision imo

[bold dove]

Like, it's really hard to actually tell.

They could 100% be non-canon.
But Wildcard could also give so little shits about continuity, that they've been retconned to be canon.
Until officially stated otherwise. It seems to be more of a 'whatever you personally think' situation.

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed, that’s my feelings on the current situation as well

[west kernel]

Wouldn’t the existence of Helena Dossiers make them canon?

[bold dove]

None of the dossiers are in-game for the voted creatures. (outside of the rhynio)
It's just the default format Wildcard uses to give off creature information now a days.

[west kernel]

Carcharadontosaur dossier is in the island.

I know it because I did a note run not so long ago

[bold dove]

Is it?

[west kernel]

Yeah it is.

[bold dove]

Is it like the Rhynio, that you get it after you kill one?

[west kernel]

Rhynio dossier is also in a box.

[bold dove]

Where?

[west kernel]

However, Rhynio dossier is not voiced while the carcha dossier is voiced.

Carcha Doisser is : 32.8 85.1

Rhynio dossier cannot find the cords…. But I believe it was on the north east, in like a castle between the woods

Again, I know 100% that they are inside boxes of explorer notes because I got them all not long ago.

[bold dove]

Interesting.
Mind taking a picture of the boxes while hovering over them? (so it shows the name of what dossier it is.)

[west kernel]

I cannot send pictures, atleast here.

Found the Rhynio dossier coords: 31.8 50.8

[bold dove]

I meant in dm's, sorry.

[west kernel]

Fasolasuchus dossier is also inside a box of Helena, it’s actually in the new underwater SE cave.

[west kernel]

I’ll hop into The Island now, I was at SE, you have like 10 minutes?

[bold dove]

Yeah. I can wait.

[west kernel]

I think I know what happened.

Carcha and rhynio dossiers are not in ASE

They have been recently added in ASA.

[bold dove]

Interesting.

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah the boxes got added to ASA, which is why atleast the sentiment of the Rhynio and Carcha not being canon seems less likely. Yet at the same time, the Rhynio’s i believe mentions cryopods which, as per usual, breaks continuity.

[west kernel]

It’s already in your dms btw

[bold dove]

Yeah, I saw them.

Thanks.

[bronze turtle]

ark has lore?!?!?!?

[west kernel]

Np, at your service.

[bold dove]

Like most titles now a days, yes.

[bronze turtle]

dang

didnt know that till now

[west kernel]

😂😂😂😂

[west kernel]

Dont worry, it took me also a while to know there was lore, of course there wasn’t overseer or SE or anything, so I thought the notes where like reminiscing of other civilisations

[bronze turtle]

oh alright thanks! 😄

[bold dove]

The overseer came out only like two months after Explorer Notes where added during early access.
Scorched also was already released by that point.

[west kernel]

Shit I’m getting too old.

I started with around 13-14 years? Now I’m 20

[lofty scaffold]

No it was pretty much at the same time Same update that massacred My volcano base 😭

[bold dove]

More or less around the same time I started as well.

[west kernel]

I remember that, one guy had a massive metal farming base in there.

One day a big orange box appeared warning us not to build there because it would get deleted

Turns out, the guy that already was there wasn’t happy…..

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah we tore down our mega base on volcano then it got turned into the ascension cave but hey the 15 extra lvls were nice

[bold dove]

Oct 20, 2016 is when ruins and explorer notes where added.
May 5, 2017 was when part one of the ascension was added.

[west kernel]

I didn’t do the ascension until I don’t know much, I was soo young then, so I couldn’t do much.

[fallow sapphire]

I started playing not long after the ascension was added, felt like a whole new world to me lol

[lofty scaffold]

I remember notes being a thing pior too may 5th and the ruins but there Definitely wasn't hundreds of notes before may 5th may was when they added like 75% of the notes

[lofty scaffold]

Oh you missed out on fast flyers

[fallow sapphire]

Yessir

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's probably where the confusion comes from.
Notes have been in the game since after the first year of the game.
But more where added once The Island/ASE came out of early access.

Then there's Scorched.
That got the most lackluster ascension like five years later.

[lofty scaffold]

Before may it was just helenas notes then they added everyone else

[west kernel]

I remember I was pissed a lot about this, I remember it ruined my chances of getting a wyvern

[bold dove]

Yep.
I believe most of them, if not all where just Dossiers.

[west kernel]

But then I understood why, looked really Damm bad

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah my war quetzals were ruined

[bold dove]

Cause at the time. It was more of a method of removing the previous shitty way of getting Dossiers.

You know.
The one that whenever you killed or tame a creature, the Dossier would forcefully pull up on your screen.

[west kernel]

Didn’t bosses also spawn on the obelisk and didn’t lead you to an arena?

[bold dove]

I love killing a pack of raptors and getting stopped mid-fight to look at a piece of paper while I still have two more raptors to deal with.

[bold dove]

Yeah, but arenas where pretty quickly added.

[west kernel]

I think I remember using an ascendant rocket launcher to send them to oblivion.

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah we are talking 2015 to 2016 rn lol

[bold dove]

Broodmother is still the only boss to get her arena revamped.

[lofty scaffold]

Not too quickly tbh

[west kernel]

Yeah I also think they had a different obelisk foundation, The Center did conserve that I believe

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah then we'd farm the bodies with sabers

[bold dove]

Came out before Scorched did, to be fair.

[west kernel]

The Sabertooh was the first Dino to ever get a TLC, I remember that face…

Still haunts me

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah but that was like a good 7 months on console without arenas

[bold dove]

Fair.

[hollow needle]

Hi. I’m a lord and I’m a nerd.

[thorn ore]

wrong channel
this is the channel for nerdz and lores, not lords

[hollow needle]

I’m sorry 😭. Ill go away now.

[west kernel]

In a Lore fight: Who would win a Rhynio or a wyvern? 🤔🤔🤔

I would say more a wyvern but Rhynios could put up a fight.

[bronze turtle]

Mh okay, because i dont really like the Oasissaurus because its sooo unrealistic, even with element and the other stuff it makes no sense that this thing is flying.

[lament raft]

the last canon things to be added were in gen 2

[small hull]

probably a wyvern but rhynios technically aren’t canon in the lore

[bold dove]

They are.

[bold dove]

Neither does FTL warp travel with the worlds most impractical spaceship.
Oasissaurus is the least of ARK's concerns when it comes to 'realism'.

[bold dove]

ASA added the voted in creatures to the canon.
So there's that.

[lament raft]

their canonicity is questionable iirc

[bold dove]

As me and Roman fan where talking about. They added their dossiers physically in ASA.
They have their own ruins now.

Faslo dossier is apparently in one of the new caves on Scorched.

[fallow sapphire]

I see this as basically the same argument we used to have with the non-story ark’s canonicity. We won’t get closure on if the new creatures are canon till we get a throwaway line in a crunch or tweet from someone stating outright if they are canon or not

[serene quiver]

I consider them canon because they have dossiers but I agree that until a dev says something offhand about it, we can’t really “know.” Since we’re getting a new canon map (iirc) maybe the new animals will get included in the story there. which I would adore personally

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, as it will be a canon map I see no reason to suggest the new creatures added to it wouldn’t be canon

[lofty scaffold]

I consider things canon because there's dossiers abt them the maps tho it could be head canon

[dawn cove]

Did the tribe that Ria and John had a name? I know the burning Phoenix, prophets rest? (Ik it's the name of the place but who cares about those crazy cultists... oh wait)

Also the group Diania and Santiago as well? Did they have a tribe name?

I'm working on a project

[west kernel]

It was until ASA added their own physical box for the dossier.

Now the question should revolve about the canonicity of Ceratosaur and Xipactinus, they have the same problem as Rhynios and Carchas used to have.

They have dossier, but not a physical one.

Tho I have a better question:

We know Genesis 1 isn’t real, that it is a simulation, but, are the creatures inside of it “fake”?

Genesis 2 is indeed the real world, BUT the Ferox is found on the ship.

Does this make us think, Magmasaur/Astrocetus/Megachelon and Bloodstalker are also real?

Actually Astrocetus also spawn in Genesis 2, so it wouldn’t be too crazy to think Magmasaur exists in another place of the universe?

[serene quiver]

Perhaps the simulated ones found in Gen 1 are reflective of real creatures that were created or discovered? Thats how I interpreted it

[west kernel]

I would assume the same.

[dawn cove]

The bloodstalker too!

[west kernel]

Bloodstalker spawns in Genesis 2?

I’ve never seen it

[dawn cove]

Yeah in the upper corner of rockwells garden

I wouldn't try taming them tho it's a pain

[solemn linden]

HLN-A mentions that the magmasaurs were once tested on Scorched Earth so we know for a fact that they existed outside of the simulation at one point and were presumably genetically engineered like everything else on the ARKs.

"I just discovered something curious. The minds that made the Arks used them to test some of the critters that you’ll find in the Genesis simulation. My scanner tells me that an immense lizard with an internal bio-furnace was tested here.
They don’t have that creature on this Ark anymore -- we’d see the scorch marks if they did. But they tested the fire lizard here before you survivors came along. I wonder why they decided to have them only in the simulation?"

[bronze turtle]

Is the Gigantoraptor Canon? Because it was not planned for the Island, but it came out at the Island. So is it canon? If it came out on the Center it wouldnt canon right?

[rigid grove]

No. It was a voted creature.

[bronze turtle]

Strange, some peopel say that they are canon, some say that they are not. Because some of them even have a Dossier written and with Audio form Helena.

[rigid grove]

That does not make them canon

[bronze turtle]

😦 so is the Fasalo also not canon? What makes a creature canon?

[rigid grove]

The fasalo was also a voted creature, so no.

[fallow sapphire]

see once again, i see no direct reason for the voted creatures not to be canon

[weak hedge]

vin diesel

[bronze turtle]

As long Wildcard dont say anything else (they probably wont) they are canon for me:)

[serene quiver]

In my heart they are canon

[bronze turtle]

I think that all the voted dinos that realese in a canon map and have a dossier are canon

[dawn geyser]

Any creature on a canon map is canon

Creatures on non canon maps are not

They have never said voted creatures are non canon and since they appear on story maps they are officially canon Dino’s

[west kernel]

The fasolasuchus IS a canon dinosaur.

It has its own dossier with a physical box.

Implying it is 100% canon

[rigid grove]

All of them do, that doesn't make it canon

It was voted

Not originally added

[west kernel]

Gigantoraptor does not have a physical box

So it is not canon

But the Fasolasuchus is canon, as it has its own physical box, implying Helena did found the Fasolasuchus

[tidal mural]

Whats the differences with canon and non canon ? And any updates on the center ?

[rigid grove]

Content added after as a vote has a note, that doesn't make it canon.

[west kernel]

It is not about having a note, but having a physical box.

[rigid grove]

Physical boxes don't make them canon

It's a voted creature from the community that has its own dossier

[west kernel]

So we could argue Phoenix isn’t canon because it was added after the SE release

[rigid grove]

A physical box doesn't specifically say "oh it's canon"

[fallow sapphire]

being voted doesn't specifcially say it isn't

[tidal mural]

Phoenix has a box also by the coliseum 🙃

[rigid grove]

At this point I think the devs themselves would have to specify what is and is not canon, as everyone has their own opinions on it.

[west kernel]

Yeah but I’m following her logic, that being voted means it’s not canon, so we could argue phoenix isn’t canon as well.

[fallow sapphire]

i'm not really on either side of this argument, because there isn't any confirmation to either side. There is logic on both sides to say why it is or isn't canon, but until a direct confirmation is made no statement of canonicity can be made

[tidal mural]

Phoenix is a base game

As far as I know

[west kernel]

Yeah, but it was added after the release of SE, so that’s what I mean then you could argue the same about Phoenix.

[rigid grove]

It wasn't a community voted creature, is my point.

[tidal mural]

No, cause phoenix was not added this time phoenix has been there since ascended as far as I know faso it’s a new one

Since evolved and faso has been voted for the community

[west kernel]

But what’s the difference? It has its own ruins, its own physical box made by Helena, its own dossier, not the fan one but one actually made by wc.

The only difference it’s that it was voted by us, and not arbitrary chosen

[rigid grove]

They make the dossier for the creature after it wins the vote.

The original creature author also makes their own dossiers.

[west kernel]

Yeah, I know, but they still made it, which is my point, and added ruins for them, like any other Dinos.

[rigid grove]

I don't know another way to say that they've done that for every vote creature, it does not make it canon, imo.

[fallow sapphire]

here's the main reason i would believe the voted creatures would count as canon. If creatures added exclusively to Ascended would not count as canon, then that would entail that the new canon story map's creatures are also not canon

i don't see it being voted vs wildcard decided having any reason to canonicity

cause by that logic, the fasalo isn't canon but the oasisaur is

[rigid grove]

The new canon map is made by WC, not voted content

[west kernel]

Gigantoraptor was voted, yet doesn’t have a physical box (meaning Helena did not encounter it) so your point it’s just wrong.

[fallow sapphire]

also by that logic, the rhynio wouldn't be canon as it was voted, but the carch was not voted thus it would be canon

[west kernel]

Having a physical box with a dossier made by Helena already implies some canonicity, as that box wouldn’t appear from nowhere.

[rigid grove]

Them missing a creature does not automatically invalidate an opinion but ok lol

Voted creatures having boxes doesn't make them canon, imo, as I've said like 10x

[west kernel]

They doesn’t because…..?

[fallow sapphire]

that i can agree with

however the fact that they are voted in should not mean they aren't canon

[rigid grove]

That's what they're attempting to say though. "They have a physical box, so they are canon"

[fallow sapphire]

oh i know, and i don't agree at all with that logic

[rigid grove]

Making a physical box doesn't automatically mean something is canon, they decided to add the boxes to the voted creatures shortly before ASE officials shut down and ASA was announced.

[fallow sapphire]

are the boxes even on ASE?

[low briar]

^ 100% flawed
Rhynio Dossier on the Island mentions use of Cryopods which weren't a thing on the Island - there was no Tek presence

[fallow sapphire]

the content of the dossiers is completely different, cause they are very inconsistent with the lore

[rigid grove]

The rhynio and carcha are iirc yes

[rigid grove]

Mhmm

[fallow sapphire]

managarmr dossier mentions ice wyverns

which Helena should never have seen

[rigid grove]

Sorry I'm forgetting to turn off pings too I'm in several channels atm.

[fallow sapphire]

all good, it's more annoying when someone way after the conversation does it rather then during lol

[rigid grove]

Ice wyverns aren't even in the story maps??

[fallow sapphire]

precisely

[west kernel]

No, they are part of ragnarok

[rigid grove]

I know that. That was my point.

[west kernel]

It’s lore inconsistency.

[rigid grove]

...that's our point

[west kernel]

And I’m just saying you guys are right there…..

[rigid grove]

The physical boxes don't make things canon XD

[west kernel]

Im not even talking about anymore since we won’t reach a point

[fallow sapphire]

anyhow back to this, that is very interesting if that is the case

now i wanna look to see

[rigid grove]

Like I said, they decided to add them before it all went down

I'd have to find the announcement or whatever but right now I don't have time

[fallow sapphire]

i genuinely don't remember, but like i said i'm fine with looking as well

[rigid grove]

Go for it, I'll look too in a bit when I'm able

I do not remember if it was a Twitter post or an actual #announcements/ #patch-notes thing, is the issue

Or one of the devs chatting

[west kernel]

Carcha dossier is located behind a collapsed wall in the south east mountain (the crystal one) rhynio is located near the coelacanth in the north west south between 2 mountain

[fallow sapphire]

if it was a Twitter thing, i may just believe you instead of looking lol

[rigid grove]

My memory is awful

Sorry 😂

[fallow sapphire]

on ASE, or just ASA?

[west kernel]

Just ASA

ASE you get by taking them

[fallow sapphire]

yeah i know they are on ASA

[west kernel]

Like with Cerato

You need to tame them in ASE to get the dossier.

Or kill them, dunno anymore

[rigid grove]

Tame them, the same with ASA. That's where it started.

[west kernel]

Anyway from here

I make a call to Ark, to add the killer whale, they deserved better!

[bronze turtle]

If a Dino is on a Canon Map and have a Dossier made by Helena they are for me canon. My Opinon:)

Other Question: If the Gigantoraptor or the Faso would be on the new DLC Canon Map from the start. Would they be then canon?

[dawn geyser]

Im sorry but a discord mod doesn’t decide the how canon a creature is. Everything in game point to these creatures being canon and as stated these are canon maps meaning anything on them or happens is canon to your survivor

I would argue that saying these creatures are non canon because they didn’t exist in ase is flawed… almost half the creatures on island were added after the island came out

[bronze turtle]

I guess the only reason that the Gigantoraptor dont have a box and dossier is that it was planned for the Center. Maye it will get one in a update

[vocal knoll]

Nerds

Jk i love game lore

[dawn geyser]

Bro

I was gonna go off lmao

[vocal knoll]

😂

[bronze turtle]

xD

[vocal knoll]

For me new ASA créatures are not a part of the lore

Too récent

[bronze turtle]

I would say everything on canon maps is canon. Because we play on the same ARK as Helena did, so where should this new dinos come from? Or they are not canon and our Surviver just halucinate

[vocal knoll]

It just doesnt feel right hearing Helena talk about tames she has never encountered in evolved

[bronze turtle]

She encounterd them:) ASA is canon like ASE. Now you can argue wich game is more canon xD

[vocal knoll]

Its quite paradoxal, they exist, its like they have always been here but it isnt true and it feels wrong to me

[bronze turtle]

But they are always there i guess. Because Helena wrote about it.

[vocal knoll]

For me ase is the true lore, asa just adds new éléments like they were alwahs there

Even tho they were not

So yeah its weird to explain

[bronze turtle]

But why should ASA not the real lore and in ASE they just forgott some stuff.

[vocal knoll]

If u dont look back at ASE then ASA lore is perfect n very developped

With more content than ever

[worldly obsidian]

Evolved isnt canon anymore

[bronze turtle]

#make ase un canon xD

[vocal knoll]

But evolved seemed more canon and still does for me

[worldly obsidian]

Old testament lol

[vocal knoll]

I'd have to agree

Then ASA would be perfect lore wise

[bronze turtle]

ASA is the new lore:)

[vocal knoll]

Ig

[bronze turtle]

We will see if this creatures are canon when the new official DLC realeses. If they are on the new DLC they are canon.

[vocal knoll]

Oasisaurus aint canon tho

The rest is

[bronze turtle]

Idk

Its on SE

[vocal knoll]

Yup but its pure comedy

[bronze turtle]

So it should be canon? Where should it cime from?

[vocal knoll]

Even if its on SE its not, its too different imo

[bronze turtle]

Think of the Titans on Extinction

They atr to different xD

[vocal knoll]

Different, they were the final bosses, oasisaurus isnt à boss its useless

[bronze turtle]

Are you from france? Because of the è xD

[vocal knoll]

And its not à tame everybody can Have since u gotta pay 50 bucks for it

[vocal knoll]

Yup and the autocorrect is annoying af

[bronze turtle]

For the DLCs in ASE you also had to pay

[bronze turtle]

Europe, unite xD

[vocal knoll]

Yup but u paid for the whole map and everything that came with it

On ASA its weirder

[bronze turtle]

(Btw i dont like this too)

[vocal knoll]

Its just too weird having à creature that flies infront of u but u cant Have it bc u havent spent 50€

Anyways i gtg @bronze turtle ,good to talk with u see ya

[proper heart]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive crest]

We need a series about the TEK WARS!

URE marines fighting Terran marines and tek jets and all that tek stuff everywhere, it would be so cool

[dim palm]

wait is the center canon now? its in "story arks"

[bold dove]

Might be a mistake, cause they just stated on last CC that The Center is a non-canon map.

[dim palm]

thank goodness

[west kernel]

I would assume the same, but hey the map looks nice.

[prime flume]

I like to think that the community made maps are canon as in they are other arks around the earth but don’t contribute to Helena’s story

[bronze turtle]

But on this maps are ofthen dinos that make no sense, wierd landscapes that nerver could exist on earth (crystel, Fjourdur) . And Fjourdur dont even habe Obelisks

[bold dove]

Like I stated above. They've flat out stated that they're non-canon in community crunches.

[west kernel]

Yeah but it won’t change they are not canon, you can have it as “head-canon” tho.

I would’ve loved that ice wyvern and now the new pyromane were canon, but unfortunately they aren’t.

[prime flume]

Yeah, just what I like to have in my mind

[west kernel]

Altho ice wyvern are mentioned on the managarm dossier, so it technically is canon in some way?

[prime flume]

Maybe

[west kernel]

The line of canon and non canon it’s so rare in Ark, you could be just looking at inconsistency or canon.

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause if I recall right. The dossiers where written by developers instead of Marc.

[west kernel]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Marc?

[bold dove]

Marc Soskin.
The previous writer who wrote the main story for The Island through Extinction.

Gen-1's writer is undetermined. (I think it was another developer, since they had to find a new writer at the time)
Gen-2 is by Peter Fries, and seems like he's also doing ARK-2.

[west kernel]

So techinically ice wyvern are indeed canon?

Just, not in ragnarok, because it’s a non canon map.

[bold dove]

Like, maybe? (Griffons are within the Genesis simulation. But so far aren't canon physically.)
The Dossiers also stated that the Broodmother formed the caves on The Island.
But that can't be possible, since guardians are confined to arenas they physically cannot leave from. And Aberration flat out confirms the ARK itself forms the cave formations.

So honestly, I don't personally take what the Dossiers say seriously. As by the end of the day, they mechanically only exist to hint towards how to tame this new cool creature. With some random ass lore sprinkled in.
Compare that to Explorer notes, that their entire purpose is for the story.

[west kernel]

I don’t think griffons where in Genesis.

[bold dove]

They are in Gen-2

They're in the Survive the ARK mission.

Which is set in the simulation.

[west kernel]

Oh damm

[bold dove]

And the Dodorex is also the boss for the mission aswell.

[west kernel]

Yeah I knew about DDR

[bold dove]

So, non-canon map creatures can be 100% canon.
It's just that we probably never physically interact with them, since they're all currently catalogued within The System and the Genesis Simulation.

Probably akin to wyverns pre-Nosti.
Their data more then likely always existed. It's just that there has been no need to add them onto an ARK's ecosystem.

Funny thing is. If I'm correct and they only exist within a digital format right now cause they have no use in the physical world. That means (unless the Genesis ship had a reason to) Santiago just fucking deleted every non-canon map creatures. Cause in the ARK-2 trailer, he terminated the Simulation.

[west kernel]

I hope he downloaded them into a USB 😂😂

[bold dove]

It would be a tek USB stick.
And this braindead version of Santiago doesn't like tek.

[west kernel]

Vin Diesel Santiago and Santiago Extintion are the same right?

[bold dove]

No.

Extinction Santiago is dead.

[west kernel]

Oh yeah

Only MeiYinLi and Diana made it

[bold dove]

They're probably dead as well at this point.

[west kernel]

Well, far as I’ve been reading, us defeating king titan is mostly at the same time where MeiYinLi and Diana reaches Arat Prime, so I wouldn’t be so sure?

[bold dove]

They where like in their 30s.
Even if the game is only set, lets say 30 years later. They'd be in their 60s.
Which with how much physical and mental stress their bodies would go through, their lifespans would decrease.

Especially since neither of them knew much medical treatments. (to my knowledge)
The average lifespan of a human without medical assistance back then I believe was like 50.

[west kernel]

Yeah but that’s the thing

[bold dove]

Where is this indicated?

[west kernel]

When the survivor (us) kill the king titan, 3000 cycles had passed.

Which is the same time as MeiYinLi and Diana reaches Arat Prime

[bold dove]

Again, can you quote where this is stated?

[west kernel]

Think it’s in Nidas Explorer notes

[bold dove]

Also, what exactly is a cycle in this case?
A cycle of days, years, decades?

[west kernel]

It’s based on the Genesis 2 cycles, meaning 1 cycle = 1 day

Again take this with too caution, I do not remember 80% of Ark lores, and I’ve been just getting in line since a few days.

So it may not be accurate. But as far as I’ve been reading via the notes of the game, should be that.

[bold dove]

So, where does it state that Mei and Diana made it during those 3000 cycles?

[west kernel]

Give me a few minutes, but it all gets together with the HLNA upload

I think it is in the explorer note 28

There it is stated HLNA has been in the simulation for 3000 days, and we know it was MeiYinLi and Diana who “sent” her to the simulation.

Since Nida saw HLNA but no errors, it implies HLNA was there before Rockwell.

Meaning us a character, had to defeat King Titan in that time more or less, so the Reseed protocol took place, and Rockwell could get into the colony ship.

So in the worst it’s 8 years after the events (which wouldn’t be as our character needs to also reach Arat Prime) and in the best case scenario it would be maybe days or months.

Sorry it took me some minutes but there is the explanation @bold dove

[bold dove]

I'll read this in a bit. Need to get back to work

[dim palm]

im disappointed the center doesnt have its own guardians. and yes, i know its an older map, and yes, i know its not canonical. but if they went out of the way to build the map again from scratch i feel like this would propel it to be the best out there

im also disappointed scorched earth was just a copy paste from UE4 to UE5 and its still super small and open. while it is much more visually appealing and isnt an eye strain, it suffers from the same issues the original did because of its size and openness + lack of bosses

[bold dove]

Well, like. Yeah.
Sadly they never promised flat out new content for legacy maps.
(new Center arena though is still dogshit.)

[bold dove]

So, here's the confusion I noticed.

HLN-A and Helena are two separate entities.
Helena created HLN-A 'after' Helena was brought to the simulation.
And it was Helena herself that Mei and Diana where opening up the uplink for.

So yes, while HLN-A has been in the simulation for 8 years.
That's cause she's 8 years old.
Now, for how long 'Helena' has been in the simulation for, is unknown I believe.
Cause it's never stated in the notes if Helena made HLN-A right after being uplinked, or a few years later.

[dim palm]

didnt they promise that ASA was gonna be built from the ground up? the fact that they use the same terrible code is the reason its so buggy

[sturdy swallow]

was abb after center?

[bold dove]

Yes.
Though, you can argue they did with landscaping, not with coding.
Since you can't actually import landscapes from UE4 to UE5. Cause the way they handle landscapes are totally seperate.

[bold dove]

For ASA?
Yeah, it'll release in July (pre delays)

[sturdy swallow]

in july😱😱

that’s probably the fastest asa map to be made if it does get released then

[dim palm]

so youre telling me they built scorched from scratch, and didnt expand it? or like, do any meaningful terrain changes that the map desperately needed?

[bold dove]

They built it from the ground up, and didn't change its size.

[dim palm]

I really, genuinely cannot stand wildcard

[quaint marsh]

What if our character and the one on Genesis are different though? That's always how I've viewed it

[west kernel]

But that’s the thing, Helena was brought to the Arat Prime place where It was uploaded by Meiyinli and Diana, then it would create the HLNA.

We know Helena as an Homo deus presence was short lived In the simulation, records said brief, so the upload and creation of HLNA can’t be so much apart.

[west kernel]

Then that wouldn’t matter, as the time of the events would be the same, but our character would’ve been in the ship for hundreds of years.

[bronze turtle]

How dont we all suffecate on Abberation? Because the dome is destroyed, so the Air should escape.

And is Abberation controlled by anything? First it was the Overseer, then Rockwell and now?

What controlls evolution, dino spawning, keeping the life support going?

[cedar comet]

I think something people continually forgot is WC is only making ASA to purely gain UE5 experience. For ark 2. I as a fellow dev never expected a thing from WC knowing they are doing this for the experience. Which btw they are losing money as we speak for months now because they make almost nothing from this project of ASA. That’s why we are seeing micro transactions.

[west kernel]

Well Rockwell didn’t die, and I also think the Ark somehow trapped Rockwell in, enslaving it and making it the new overseer.

[west kernel]

Again, don’t take as 100%, only take as 100% the part where Rockwell survived.

[bronze turtle]

But if he was the overseer, why dont he landed the ARK erlier? Because he knew that if Abbaration lands at the same time as the other ARKs that he would be maybe in danger if he dont get fast enough to Arat Prime.

[bronze turtle]

Can a ARK operate and do decissions without a overseer? And i think it was stated that Rockwell controlled the ARK untill Helena and (i guess) Mei Ying came down to him and killed him. Then the ARK just took him and made him as a Boss so that the surviver could ascend. So somehow the ARK can operate on his own, maybe the Obelisks?

[west kernel]

I believe it the Reseed protocol couldn’t be activated, rather it would only come back when the King Titan was slain.

[bronze turtle]

But i guess he was not the Overseer.

Does the Overseer controll the ARK? or does he just controll if everything is allright.

[west kernel]

I don’t know, i would assume it control the Ark, but cannot return to earth.

[cedar comet]

But wasn’t this all speculator because of gen2? Now that we know all of the arks were a simulation from Rockwell??

[glad oak]

only gen1 was a simulation

[cedar comet]

Then why did we wake up in pods on gen2?

How did us going thru all the arks then randomly be in a pod work lore wise?

[frosty arrow]

I think rockwell poisoned the earth after all the arks came down. We had to go on gen2 ship to be saved and go to the new planet. But rockwell hacked us into the gen 1 simulation and when we beat it. We get pulled by the tentacle in the opening cutscene of gen2

[west kernel]

Because the pods where the simulation.

[cedar comet]

Right so all the arks, and gen 1 were sinulations?

[west kernel]

No, the Arks are real.

[cedar comet]

So how did we get to the simulation? How did we just go from surviving on arks to now being on a simulation

[west kernel]

What you don’t understand is how we end in the Genesis ship after the event of Extintion?

[cedar comet]

Yeah

I think, I know extinction is earth??

[west kernel]

Yeah, it is Earth, in the side we play it’s face of the earth which is always sunny (as the earth stopped rotating)

But on the frozen side of the Earth, there’s a launch site called Arat Prime, with a way to aboard the Genesis Ship, which I would assume it uploads your mind into a clone body, or it uploads the whole body (I don’t know technical part)

So that’s how you end in the Genesis Ship (In case you wanna think your character made his way into Arat Prime rather than living a normal life in the Earth) because devs said you can think the survivor of Genesis is the same of the arks or a completely new one. (I personally like to think it is the same)

[cedar comet]

Ohhh that’s neat

[west kernel]

So Genesis 1 is the simulation in which you end after going to Arat Prime (after defeating the King titan), and Genesis 2 starts as soon as you exit the simulation by beating the Ai Master Controller.

[cedar comet]

I like your words magic man, Ty for explaining that

[west kernel]

Now we just need to know what happened to our survivor after Genesis 2 lol.

Either we also crash in Arat, or roam the space for years to come.

[cedar comet]

We are the captain of the ship obv! And become space pirates

[west kernel]

Captain of a sunken ship, because it was blown to pieces.

I don’t know about physics, but if we crash in Arat with a broken mek, I don’t think we would be much more than smashed survivor. 😂😂😂

Probably we would desintegrare when entering atmosphere

[cedar comet]

Isn’t ark2 suppose to be like the after affects of everything on ASE?

People just return to being a cavemen

[arctic bison]

yes, Ark 2 is set to take place years after the events of Genesis part 2

[dawn geyser]

They uploaded our mind from earth into a new body on the colony ship after shit hit the fan on earth again once the arks came down… only genesis 1 is in a simulation because your mind has been put in a new body and the system treats you like a colonist that needs to be trained

[west kernel]

Yeah, but I would doubt we end up in Arat.

We are supposed to get a new canon DLC, so It’s either a prequel (which I kinda doubt) or it’s after the events of Genesis 2 in another place than Arat

[cedar comet]

I pray it fixes the gap between ext and gen

[cloud knoll]

I hope so as well

[fallow sapphire]

The odds of a sequel dlc feel lower than that of a prequel dlc as that passes into Ark 2’s territory

However, anything is possible especially with how they’ve been treating the story lately

[bronze turtle]

I dont think he poisend thd earth. If he stayed there the ARKs would have killed him

[west kernel]

We still could get to know about the fate of Earth after we defeat King Titan

[fallow sapphire]

indeed, which out of all the possible options would make the most sense for a story dlc

[west kernel]

You think the “Ark surprise” from the timeline has something to do with it?

I would believe it would be a trailer, a map seems rushed.

[fallow sapphire]

it's possible, but i would agree that a map seems unlikely

[west kernel]

A map soon after Aberration seems so unlikely

Aberration is one of the most beloved maps in the game by far.

And I would think they will want to release all ASE maps first.

So maybe it’s a collab?

[fallow sapphire]

well the new canon map is supposed to release after Extinction, so who knows

[stiff halo]

As long as it doesn’t take quite so many artistic liberties w/ the lore like Ark animated, I’m curious to see where the new story fits in

[dawn geyser]

Animated series is not canon … and honestly it never should be

[dim palm]

asa shouldnt be a "learning experience." ASE shouldnt have been, either. right now ark 2 is basically not gonna be a thing until they finish asa.

[west kernel]

I agree, I believe they did Rockwell a bit dirty….

It’s downfall into madness was really good… Now he is just mad since the beginning.

[lament raft]

good otherwise tho

[bronze turtle]

What happend to the Abberation Ark after it "landet"? Did it just got "eaten/destroyed" by the other ARKS?

[lament raft]

it landed/crashed, thats the last we know of it afaik

[bronze turtle]

Yeah, im just thinking what probably happend

[west kernel]

Landed as the others, that’s it.

[west marlin]

wait in lore everyone is cloned/revived?

so someone like george washington is in a random ark somewhere before the ending of extinction

[stiff halo]

All the big playmakers, yeah; tho obs w/o the wigs and clothes and whatnot they had at the time period

[lyric tendon]

if their engrammic matrix is either compatible or intact

hence no historical figure in the ARK... (unless you RP as one)

[fallow sapphire]

i mean, out of the hundreds, maybe thousands of ARK's it is entirely possible there are historical figures, just no mention of them on the ARK's we visited

[limber valley]

Or they are just really far down in the queue for awakening, letting the little guys go first so to speak.

OOR, they have been alive for hundreds of cycles before even the original survivors in the notes, either ascending to an Ark we never reached or dying out.

Needless to say, famous humans whose remains were never found likely aren't in the hall of history's records.

IE: D.B. Cooper, Amelia Earhart, or the specific character that ruled Germany in the 1940s

[bold dove]

ARK's story (pre-Genesis) was about political issues, and how politics cause issues and how the little guys have to fix those previous leaders caused.
So, if we're going with this mindset of politics. Then honestly, I can imagine The System being a bit more bias towards political leaders that are well known in history.
Cause by the end of the days. The ARK's and Genesis ship where made by governments that caused the issue in the first place.

Hell, in a twisted way. They could have a few ARK's dedicated to only respawning political figures.
To see what happens when so many known world leaders are forced to physically interact with each other, instead of long distance communications where it's easier to be emotionless.

[fallow sapphire]

That actually would be interesting, and feasibly possible knowing about aberration

[bold dove]

Exactly.
Cause that ARK was hella bias it seems towards future survivors.
It seems to me ARK's are somewhat bias towards the theme of the ARK.
Cause, while not great evidence. Scorched, a desert ARK, had Raia (an egyptian priestess) and John, a literal fucking cowboy.

[fallow sapphire]

There definitely has to be some criteria for an ARK

[bold dove]

The Island as well had a few Island/tropical/near water survivors.
Helena, that was in Australlia. (I believe most of their cities are near the coast)
Rome, near a coast.
Bob, literally fucking was on Normandy.

Oh course I think The System will slip up and give the ARK a random ass survivor that doesn't really have any theme towards that ARK just to fill it out. But it does seem a 'bit' bias towards the ARK's theme.

[fallow sapphire]

cough cough grad students on ab cough cough yeah definitely some slip ups lol

But yeah, i never really thought about that there does seem to be a, even if only minor, criteria for survivors on an ARK

God by that logic I would spawn on Scorched… lovely

[bold dove]

Buh, buh buh buh, buh buh, buh.
Derr, derrr, der'r der, der, derrr derrrrr, derrrrrrrrr, derrrrr, der der.

[quaint marsh]

I'd be sent straight to the frozen north of the Island to fend off wolves and mammoths

[stiff halo]

I’d be smack dab on metal mountain, getting eaten by hordes of argies

[west kernel]

Yeah, my character is a Roman centurion and the secondary is an Spanish Habsburg (Not actual characters, they have my name)

But story wise character, all characters are clones of actual characters that lived.

I think they tried to explain something about that in the series of Ark (it’s not canon, but it somewhat explains how they cloned and got the memories)

Anyway, I’m not a science guy, so I’m not gonna try to explain anything.

[sturdy swallow]

r we gonna see stuff like fasolo in the animated series

[west marlin]

ngl i like to believe that the free dlc maps are canon as in they are arks around earths orbit, just not in the story (other than fjprdur i dont think thats real)

[dawn geyser]

I believe the same things… I think they are arks we just never go to them in canon

[fallow sapphire]

you can head canon them as such, but they have been outright stated to not be canon

[cloud knoll]

Not Canon to the story but they could still exist. Don't see why they wouldn't.

[fallow sapphire]

like i said, head canon works. But Wildcard has directly stated that they aren't canon

[dawn geyser]

No reason why they wouldn’t exist

I feel the lore community has gotten to a spot where the only things that are canon are what we are directly told or see In game
Like people argue that the arks are only island and scorched just because wildcard reused assets

Or if it’s not mentioned in the notes it’s not canon… saying in game aspects of these canon maps are well not canon

[west kernel]

You cannot ascend through them

[dawn geyser]

Doesn’t mean anything

Like I said we never go to the maps so what we do on them is not canon

[west kernel]

It means you would be forever stuck in the Ark.

[main wasp]

Someone explain the entire ark lore to me

[dawn geyser]

I’m just saying the ark’s themselves with these land masses can be

[dawn geyser]

It will take ages

[main wasp]

I do not care

[dawn geyser]

Literally

[dawn geyser]

I can point you to videos

[main wasp]

Fine

[fallow sapphire]

i get that, but like when it has been stated by Wildcard themselves there isn't a lot of room to say otherwise

[west kernel]

You wake up.
You beat to death Dinos
You beat to the overseer N1
You wake up on desert
You bear to death Dinos
You bear to death overseer 2
You wake up in a cave
You beat to the death Dinos
You beat to death an old man
You wake up on earth
You bear to the death Dinos
You beat to death a titan
You travel to a space ship
You beat to death virtual Dinos
You beat to death an AI
You wake up on a ship
You get kidnapped by the old man
You best to death Dinos
You beat to death old man
In fact, you beat him to death so much, you crash him a spaceship and explode it

[main wasp]

Thanks <3

[west kernel]

Nah joking (not entirely joking) but to know about the lore you would need to learn the Helena’s travel lore.

[main wasp]

Who is helena

[west kernel]

And then there is your own lore, which you kinda write it yourself?

[west kernel]

An Aussie scientist from our century that wakes up in the island and starts doing the dossiers, she survives and yeah, pretty much that, she survives.

[main wasp]

Intresting

[dawn geyser]

Becomes a god thing

Lmao then a robot

Blow up a ship

[west kernel]

So do we

[dawn geyser]

Then vin shows up

[dawn geyser]

Yep

[main wasp]

Who the hell is vin

[dawn geyser]

Lmao

[west kernel]

She technically isn’t HLNA, but rather a part of her (maybe?)

[dawn geyser]

Well the one who waits puts a part of her self into hlna and hlna basically becomes her own thing

[west kernel]

We literally become a Demi-God that is omnipresent and omniscient and we still die to dilophosaurs when we travel to the Genesis ships

[main wasp]

"Who are you people?!"

[dawn geyser]

Just making it simple lmao

[dawn geyser]

Vin diesel

The dumbest choice of actor to play a character lmao

[west kernel]

I really don’t get the part where we become god and (if we want to assume that our character is the one to travel to the Genesis ship) gets into a simulation to demonstrate we are a good survivor.

[main wasp]

Lmao

Family and stuff

[dawn geyser]

Well… the homo deus are not really gods… more of the next stage of humans

And on genesis we get our mind put into a new body

So I guess we have a homo deus mind in a human body

[west kernel]

They are not gods, but we are literally omniscient.

[fallow sapphire]

we dont actually become a home deus, cause if we did theres no way we'd survive

[west kernel]

And Helena was for some reason not able to show herself until we become ourself Homo Deus so it’s kinda a thing like you can only see a Homo Deus when you are one yourself.

[dawn geyser]

She does appear in our mind though… like before we spawn

So maybe we can’t see her physical form

[west kernel]

We do when we become Homo Deus

[bold dove]

They've flat out called them non canon to the ARK IP.

[dawn geyser]

This is what I mean

[bold dove]

We don't become a Homo Deus.
Helena flat out stated the last gateway to become one was destroyed with her ascension.
The Homo Deus skin is just a cool reward.

[west marlin]

you are not you and infact a clone of yourself

in space

in an artificial habitat

[bold dove]

On a space fidget spinner.

[west marlin]

yeah

[dawn geyser]

Old and slowly breaking fidget spinners

[main wasp]

What

No im me

[dawn geyser]

No

[west marlin]

every human is cloned and put in arks

[west kernel]

Didn’t our implant become the homo Deus implant? I do believe I remember it being in our inventory

[dawn geyser]

You’re a clone of yourself

[bold dove]

No, you're not you.
You're you who thinks you're you, but aren't you.

[dawn geyser]

Yes

[west kernel]

Besides weren’t we the ones who kept trying?

[dawn geyser]

Same mind different body

[bold dove]

Implants changing aren't canon.
I believe Rockwell, Helena, or the entire fucking tek tribe that ascended off of Aberration would mention something.

[west marlin]

thats why everyone is from different time periods

[main wasp]

This is like when zhane from ninjago found out he was a clone

[dawn geyser]

That’s a name she gives us:

[west marlin]

like rockwell is from the 1800s i think

helena the 21st

[dawn geyser]

Breh he found out he was a robot lmao

[bold dove]

We're 'The Survivor'
The One Who Tries Again was used once, and never mentioned again.

[main wasp]

TYPO NOOOOOO

Or rather adhd

[dawn geyser]

LMAO

[main wasp]

Take your pick

[bold dove]

Both

[main wasp]

I love democracy

[bold dove]

ADHD induced typo.

[main wasp]

Yes.

[west kernel]

Yeah because it was not thought before I would believe, yet even mentioned once, makes us that.

I’m gonna watch the Extintion ending again, really sure we did become one, but I might be wrong

[bold dove]

We literally don't.

[dawn geyser]

Democracy??? For super earth !!!!

[main wasp]

FOR SUPER EARTH!

Wait is ark the prequal to helldivers

[west kernel]

So what’s all that scene with the ring things taking our implant away?

[bold dove]

Again, how in the nine fucking hells would we be able to turn into a Homo Deus?

[main wasp]

Its time for you to look inwards and begin asking yourself the big questions, like

Is ark the prequal to helldivers

[bold dove]

Cause Survivors don't need implants anymore.
The ARK's purpose is fulfilled. Implants aren't needed to track survivors anymore.

[dawn geyser]

It’s using the implant to see what ark you are from

And like cringewell said we don’t need it anymore

[dawn geyser]

Element 710 is element?????
The terminids are element creatures!!!!!!!

[main wasp]

HOOOLY CRAP

THE LOOOOOORE

We gotta get matpat on this

Oh wait...

[bold dove]

Also, I believe this is yet another thing the original writer confirmed.
The last gateway to become a Homo Deus was destroyed with Helena's ascension. With the knowledge to create them.
Because, the point of Extinction's ending is to act as a hard reboot for humanity.
Trying to ascend to godhood only makes shit worse, as seen with situations like Helena and Rockwell. So the knowledge to do so has been now destroyed forever.

[west kernel]

Well, to be honest becoming an Homo Deus must be the shittiest thing to do, literally inmortal who will forget who he is and cannot interact with anything

[bold dove]

I believe you do remember, you just care less about shit.

(I think. That one I'm not sure on.)

[west kernel]

Helena mentions she is loosing her mind or something like that

Like she remembers less each day

[bold dove]

It's alzheimer's that you become permanently alone with.

[dawn geyser]

It’s they are all alone and it drives them crazy until there kind decays I believe

[west kernel]

Yeah, because the rest of the Homo Deus are like kinda semi-faced from existence

[dawn geyser]

That’s why most of them died and the arks became so dangerous because the overseers which were Homo deus became more decayed

[west kernel]

So I would imagine the same fate will come to Helena

[bold dove]

Where does it state they die?
Thought they just mentally degrade until they have the same mindset as a machine. As overseers are Homo Deus's.

[dawn geyser]

Well that’s what I meant I kinda worded it like shit lmao

[west kernel]

Wait…. You are telling me, there is a guy out there that become a Manticore? Neat

[bold dove]

What?
No.
The manticore is organic.

[west kernel]

So only the overseer is an Homo Deus?

The island overseer I mean

[dawn geyser]

Manticore is a guardian

[bold dove]

Every ARK has an overseer, and in turn a Homo Deus.
The overseer is a shell for the Homo Deus's to be able to control something in our physical world.

[main wasp]

Are drops canon

[dawn geyser]

Every ark has a overseer

[dawn geyser]

Yea

[main wasp]

WOOOO YEQ BABY

[bold dove]

Iffy if they are.
They have a literal section in the hall of history. But not once are they mentioned in canon.

[dawn geyser]

The game is canon

[main wasp]

Welll

[dawn geyser]

Island is canon

[bold dove]

That's not how canon's work.

[main wasp]

Are pickaxes mentioned in the canon?

[main wasp]

Didnt think so

[dawn geyser]

Yes it is

There is more then notes to the game

[bold dove]

Technically, yeah.
But also. Helena, a person that was studying The Island, mentioned the Obelisks and how artificial they look.
If shit was throwing down loot crates for people to use. That should've stirred up more questions compared to the obelisks.

[main wasp]

Maybe

She just didnt find any!

[dawn geyser]

What ever let’s not go over this again

[main wasp]

Nono we should

[bold dove]

"The canon of a work of fiction is "the body of works taking place in a particular fictional world that are widely considered to be official or authoritative; [especially] those created by the original author or developer of the world"."
We're both right.
They're both canon, but the separate canon's contradict and clash with each other.
It's the same issue that in-universe Extinction is like 5x bigger then what we get in-game.

[main wasp]

ARE PICKAXES CANON

[bold dove]

Yes

[main wasp]

Uh oh stinky

Show me where they were mentioned.

[bold dove]

I believe around Note 7 of Helena on The Island, where she mentions miners on a mountain top.

[main wasp]

That doesnt say pickaxes

That says miners

[west kernel]

You want them to mine with their hands or what

[bold dove]

Miners traditionally use picks.