#lore-nerdz

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gusty turret
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In theory defeating all arks is impossible

bold dove
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That's why the portal was created.

gusty turret
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Yup

bold dove
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Also, this wouldn't be the case.

gusty turret
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We have no reason to believe candidacy for homodeus is a thing

bold dove
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Even if that 'was' the endgoal, it isn't anymore.
As Helena confirmed that the last device on Earth to create Homo-Deus's was destroyed when she used it.

gusty turret
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We have no idea how that process works we have a single given example which is with Helena

gusty turret
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She never specified if any existed elsewhere

bold dove
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Sure, but they don't have the means either

bold dove
low briar
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Iirc, the Portal was created because the Tekkies nuked the Overseer and fucked that Ark to all hell. They would have been trapped/stranded on the dying Ark so they built the portal to escape to Earth, *skipping the rest of the Arks

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Basically they skipped to the final exam without taking the class

bold dove
gusty turret
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They built the portal because they wanted to get back to Earth it wasn't really an "escape the rotten ark thing" until Rockwell started harassing them

low briar
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That we know of

gusty turret
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Speculations are not valid theories

low briar
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Which is why I think the end goal of the Arks was to produce another Deus

gusty turret
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Theres a reason you can't speculate in court you can speculate basically anything it doesn't give it any chance of being true

low briar
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Good thing this is a message board for discussing fantasy lore about a videogame and not a court of law šŸ˜‚

gusty turret
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Theories generally require facts as a basis and the facts to support the idea of another homodeus aren't there

bold dove
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Yeah, all of that Zen is more of a hypothesis, not theories.

low briar
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Call it whatever you want then (being respectful!)

Do we have actual evidence that the Arks are NOT to create a Deus?

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Actual true, hard 100% facts

gusty turret
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We kinda do

bold dove
gusty turret
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Helena makes it abundantly clear there will be no more

low briar
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Show me the copy/paste lore and I will drop all further discussion about my (now debunked) whatever you want to call it

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So it only needed one Deus?

bold dove
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No, we have hundreds already

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The overseers 'are' Homo-Deus's

low briar
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One *more Deus

gusty turret
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The cave collapsed once she ascended the device was destroyed

low briar
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And do you have the context for that quote?

bold dove
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It's in The-One-Who-Waits notes

gusty turret
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time to sniff through Helena's notes

low briar
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Okay, if it's there and not anything post-Genesis leading to why HLNA is a thing then I can believe there is not meant to be more than one *more new Deus

bold dove
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HLN-A was created by Helena

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To help the survivor on the Genesis-ship

low briar
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(because I was thinking maybe that quote was referencing to Helena's where-you-go-I-cannot-follow stuff for Genesis)

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Yeah, I know that

gusty turret
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I'm by far the most junior of us, but the rest of my kind can do even less than I. They cannot touch minds or leave slivers of thought. They rely on flawed proxies to oversee the grand System they created, for they can no longer manage it themselves.

It is not that they are weak, not at all. It is their power that nurtures the seeds that orbit our home, each one drawing strength from a member of our number. Yes, power they have, but nothing to guide it. Their identity, their sense of self, has decayed and crumbled.

Only I can speak for us. I, the youngest, the weakest and the last.

low briar
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So the Deus, are safely assumedly looking for a leader?

gusty turret
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I'm grateful for your company too. Very grateful! I know I've been rambling. This conversation is quite one sided. I'm just glad for the chance to speak to another being, if only through these shards of thought.

As I've said, time and I are at odds, and I have no idea how long I've been waiting here. Alone. Completely alone.

My elders had lost their identities before I came to be. There were no others to teach me what I am. No one to speak to. No one to know. There never will be, for the path was shut behind me. No one else will rise to these heights from the tomb of man. I'm certain that is for the best, but selfishly, I sometimes wish it weren't the case.

low briar
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Thank you for posting the relevant lore

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So as far as we know for certainty, the device used to create a new Deus on Earth was destroyed after fulfilling its purpose at least one more time - wether it's intentional destruction or not, we don't know

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The Deus controlling the Arks are looking for leadership, something to guide them - so they need/want a new Deus to be created

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As for the Arks, the only Ascension reward we know of is choosing which Ark you get to go to next, there may or may not be other options we didn't see explored in official lore, but for certain 'continuing the test in a new environment' is an option

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So I still think it's plausible that the goal of the Arks is to find a candidate to create a new Deus to guide the Arks

mental basin
low briar
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'They rely on flawed proxies to oversee the grand System they created, for they can no longer manage it themselves.

It is not that they are weak, not at all. It is their power that nurtures the seeds that orbit our home, each one drawing strength from a member of our number. Yes, power they have, but nothing to guide it.'

mental basin
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You took that quote the wrong way- note the word 'Oversee'.

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They rely on the Overseers to oversee the ARKs.

low briar
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Aren't the Overseers the Deus?

gusty turret
low briar
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Or an extension of them?

mental basin
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Helena claim that each HomoDeus is assigned an ARK. Once those HomoDeus pass out of the world, they rely on the Overseers.

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I think they're like extensions, yes.

low briar
gusty turret
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But... The test is neverending...

mental basin
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What question are you asking, Zen?

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Put it simply.

low briar
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Gimmie a sec, I'm in a work meeting šŸ˜‚

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Shame on me for multitasking

mental basin
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ARK is more important! cedfail

gusty turret
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The Arks endgame was hoping the corruption would die off over time like radiation, which it didn't

low briar
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And in the context of the quote, that makes sense too

mental basin
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Rockwell not only describes them as 'half-mechanical Overseers', but there's a Genesis Chronicle showing a HomoDeus connected to an Overseer.

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It's safe to say that they're intertwined in some way.

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Actually, I'd assume they left a piece of themselves inside of the Overseers, similar to what Helena did with HLN-A. (Seeing as HomoDeus can't stay out of their own reality forever)

low briar
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Ark Overseers are just HLNA's cranked to 11 šŸ˜‚

mental basin
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Helena got the idea.

low briar
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No, it makes sense

mental basin
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To even further cement that point, the Overseers are actually the first NPC to speak in the game.

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Go to the wiki, and listen to the noise they make.

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'The chosen one... HomoDeus...'

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Knowing what we know now, that's probably referencing us as Helena's chosen, and Helena herself.

restive latch
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And yet they still try to tear us limb from limb

gusty turret
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Thats their job

low briar
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Pretty sure the intro theme is masking the sounds of loading program Murder.exe

humble depot
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So i started playing ark a month ago, and really want to know the storyline and purpose of everything. Iā€™ve built bases, tamed things, and explored, but lastly I havenā€™t tried the Gen 1 and 2 maps or extinction, so Iā€™m missing out on any lore or storyline so far. Does anyone know a good YouTube video or anything to watch that explains all the lore, the ones Iā€™ve watched were a little confusing, or is there a chat in here that explains it all.

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Nevermind I found the pinned documents for it in here

bold dove
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He does machinima's of recreating the notes, in-game with the in-game camera.

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Do you know the order of the maps?

humble depot
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Yea so Iā€™m halfway through the ark storyline document part 1 thatā€™s pinned in here. But having trouble understanding something. So at first rockwell, nerva, and mei donā€™t know what the ark is?

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Like they have memories of their past homeland, but they seem to all not know about the ark so far, will it explain how they got there eventually

humble depot
bold dove
bold dove
humble depot
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Oh okay gotcha

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So they just wake up as well on the island like us

bold dove
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The-Island, Scorched-Earth, Aberration, Extinction, then Genesis 1-2

humble depot
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Not knowing how or what theyā€™re standing on

bold dove
humble depot
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Are they all from different time periods?

bold dove
humble depot
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Interesting

bold dove
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All homo-sapiens, but throughout different time periods.

humble depot
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Iā€™m gonna finish reading all the lore document that has all the journal entries, itā€™s actually a really nice story then Iā€™ll watch that video you said

bold dove
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Trust me, watch NeddytheNoodles series, it's a lot easier to follow then reading.

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Want me to DM it to you?

mental basin
humble depot
bold dove
mental basin
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Yeah, I8, watch NeddyTheNoodle's stuff.

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And his Shorts.

humble depot
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Okay thank you guys so much, lot of help, Iā€™ve been quite lost on the story

frozen shadow
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Anyone trying to play im new

mental basin
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And... his Summary Series. We're still working on the Summary Series, but it'll be done sometime.

bold dove
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Ned's Survival-Stories are by far the easiest to digest.

mental basin
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Or just ask here, whichever suits you.

bold dove
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SteL is fucking crazy with the lore.

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He makes my knowledge look like a fucking joke.
But that isn't hard in the first place.

mental basin
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Ned lets me write Shorts and Summary Videos now, I'm unstoppable. deviousg

bold dove
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Seriously, this fucker is 'THE' lore-nerd.

mental basin
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Thanks, grandpa, for getting me into ARK. Love ya.

humble depot
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Okay Iā€™ll read the rest and watch the videos and if I have questions Iā€™ll send them your way

bold dove
mental basin
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Kidnap the Peter Fries, beat him with a stick
Lock him up for ninety years, see what makes him tick
Kidnap the Peter Fries, chop him into bits
Mr. NeddyTheNoodle is sure to get his kicks
Kidnap the Peter Fries, see what we will see
Lock him in a cage, and then throw away the key

bold dove
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Was that a Hobbit reference?

mental basin
bold dove
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Take that as a 'no

mental basin
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The Nightmare Before Christmas

bold dove
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OOOH!!

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Been years since I watched that movie

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Okay, but SteL. You gotta admit, the mutated survivors theory is cooler then generic-ARK-animal%0539 for the nameless.

mental basin
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Ye

humble depot
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These lore journal stories are a really fun read

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Halfway through the scorched earth one right now, praying for Mei to still be alive šŸ™

bold dove
sick canyon
humble depot
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Iā€™m gonna watch the island and scorched earth part right after i finish reading

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Would be cool to find like a ark RP server that recreates these communities and tribes and towns

bold dove
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There's lots of those, but they stick to PC due to mod support. And they more go off of their own universe then ARK's canon

humble depot
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Dahkeya and Raiaā€™s love story, is beautiful šŸ˜¢

low briar
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Hopefully Ark Asc brings back an interest in RP servers with true cross platform play and mods

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Even on PC the selection of good servers is ... slim šŸ˜‚

sick canyon
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You know what I really, like REALLY want to see in ASA?
Better ruins and ruins that actually connect with the lore
Like, the ruins of rockwell manor, the ruins of the the new legions main base, two shipwrecks next to each other in the ocean near the southern isles as a reference to the minor conflict between the painted sharks and the blackthumbs that rockwell that rockwell writes about in rockwell record #3
All that and other lore related easter eggs and references would be amazing, scorched earth already does this really well with the ruins of nosti and the other city in the scorched lore

bold dove
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@mental basin Thoughts on the new supply drop?

mellow grove
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i think it amazing and it fit so fell to element vain and just the overseer tek so much so i think its perfect

ornate hull
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You guys think the other notes will be voiced in asa

gusty turret
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I don't like the new drop It's probably just because I'm used to the old one but the new one just looks like a spider

bold dove
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A: How does it stay upright?
B: How do we get the loot from it if there's constant rotating blades?
C: Where's the loot stored?

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We see that there's only 4-blades now, and those are its stands. That answers the first question.
As now the blades are connected and act more as legs, it may not spin anymore, solving that mystery.
And at the top of the new one, you can see what appears to be storage opened.

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It's also a lot more in-tune to the ARK's tek-style

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Current supply-drop looks like generic sci-fi stuff.
While the newer one is taking advantage of who made the ARK's, the URE.
The URE has a thing of blending organic/inorganic type of tek together, as we see with the overseer-arena, the caves, and stuff like enforcers on Extinction.

jovial warren
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Mmmmm organic technology is so cool

bold dove
lament raft
mental basin
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Its gonna have to grow on me, seems like an unnecessary change. It's a bit overcomplicates in its design now.

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But if they're changing something as arbitrary as the Loot Crates... that gives me hope for ASA.

arctic bison
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Fun fact: the original ARK Supply Crate was a placeholder model with a temporary animation I personally made to test the system. Proto-duction at its finest! (So glad the talented Wildcard team is giving it a long overdue URE-themed revamp for Survival Ascended)

lament raft
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if thats the new look for drops, im interested in seeing the aesthetic of the rest of the game

arctic bison
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as long as the drops don't agro on me i'm fine, i don't want that thing to scutle towards me scared

lament raft
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also lol, if true then Ark really never did get out of Alpha

mental basin
lament raft
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sauce?

arctic bison
carmine cedar
lament raft
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the drops will be like those walking tanks in BotW

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EARN YOUR LOOT!!!!

arctic bison
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you have to earn your water jar bp now

lament raft
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yus

mental basin
arctic bison
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watch them have a 1% chance of becoming sentient and killing you, all while getting rockwells proliferation heavy battle music murdering your ears

lament raft
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need to approach every drop with a giga

arctic bison
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out of the 4 small openings you will be attacked by laser beams youcedwhat

lament raft
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laser beams with frickin sharks attached

arctic bison
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knowing the overseers they would do something like that as a ''test''

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definitely not trolling approven

gusty turret
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I think its clear based on the beams though they rely on some form of tractor beam as we already know that technology exists in the universe

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We also know antigravity devices exist but the gravity grenade seems a lot like some kind of small scale wormhole technology more than anything

low briar
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I love how Scuttle Drops are becoming a thing šŸ˜‚

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Hunting you down at night to deliver Compass and Medium Crop Plot BPs

humble depot
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Lot of work put into them

bold dove
humble depot
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Iā€™ve mentally noted and gonna steal some of the build and outfit styles to use on the server I play on

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The building was really pretty and well done

sick canyon
surreal portal
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Hey weried thought on the the lore but what if helana created our playable character because to me that does seem possible she made hlna so why not a survivoršŸ¤”

last drift
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survivors are human correct?

sharp peak
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All survivors are made by the arks

surreal portal
surreal portal
sharp peak
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No

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Nothing special, beating each ark is intended for every survivor

last drift
surreal portal
surreal portal
# sharp peak Nothing special, beating each ark is intended for every survivor

I mean its in the lore the ark make survivers we were made after everyone else ethier died or quote entered god hood and im just saying with helana makeing hlna for us specifically to get a little help beating rockwell because remember the courpptioun started on abnertion and ended on genesis 2 and it doesn't seem far fetched for helana makeing us to be rockwell because we beat him but hlna dies not helna

glad crow
surreal portal
glad crow
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What exactly do you mean by choosing one?

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Helena allowed us to respawn, and began to aid us after the reseed protocol with hlna. Before that I believe she just watched.

gusty turret
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Helena chose everyone

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Its not just us, all of the notes post Helena ascension makes it clear every single person is canon

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We aren't chosen in the slightest we just do the most out of any of the other survivors

ornate hull
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So its a monkey on a typewriter situation

gusty turret
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Exactly

lyric tendon
ornate hull
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So I get the fire on the surface of aberration is just to indicate its day better but what's it actually burning

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Cause to my knowledge if you stand on an asteroid it won't be on fire XD

bold dove
# ornate hull Cause to my knowledge if you stand on an asteroid it won't be on fire XD

An asteroid stays cool enough due to the vacuum of space.
But the reason why Aberration's surface is burning, is cause the ozone-layer is damaged on the ARK.
If I recall right, I believe this would happen to Earth if its ozone-layer was heavily damaged.
I believe this is due that Earth's core would still be active in theory, which would cause it to produce enough heat that space wouldn't freeze it, and the blazing hot heat coming from the sun isn't being dispersed with the coldness of space, causing the surface to be on fire.
I'd imagine it'd be something similar for ARK's.

ornate hull
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I get the heats not being dispursed but that alone wouldn't explain the flames so would that just be the oxygen the ark pumping out?

gusty turret
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I don't think anything is actually burning id say it's just the ground being superheated

brazen sparrow
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The oxygen being produced in the caves escapes to the surface and combusts when it's facing the sun, not really all that far fetched

gusty turret
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If anything was actually burning it would be evident from charring/scorching of the ground

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Although I can't tell if the ground is rock or just really charred dirt

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The terrain in ark is weird i hope with ASA they differentiate more between dirt and stone and other terrain types

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It'd be pointless but it'd just make things more pretty

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Especially in aberration

valid gale
bold dove
valid gale
bold dove
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I think the only thing that makes it not considered a fully dead planet, is that it has a ozone layer.

gusty turret
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Im gonna give Mara CPR

bold dove
gusty turret
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If we reactivated its core could it theoretically become a more habitable place

bold dove
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Yeah, I have no idea why Elon think we'll be able to have bases on Mars by 2030

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Not only is there no oxygen, so we'd need to bring some form of machine to create oxygen.
But the bases would need to be durable enough to withstand the mile tall sandstorms, radiation storms, and just every natural disaster Mars has due to it being dead.

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I could understand if the mission was about 'if' it's possible to reach Mars, by going to it and dipping the fuck out the moment we plant our flag on it.
But actually making a base on it?
That seems more like a 2050 thing, at the minimal.

gusty turret
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I mean if its possible to discover any remaining water on Mars or anything like that thats a good step towards having an oxygen source

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Electrolysis or whatever

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Its not like power would be an issue dude could afford basically infinite solar panels

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Also with the whole new artificial sun reactors on the rise

brazen sparrow
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It wouldn't take very long for the planet to bounce back if we did the nuke thing and it went well, but that's a big if

bold dove
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Artificial stars are cool, but if that shit goes supernova, we're kind of fucked.

brazen sparrow
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Elon was thinking about that for a while there iirc

languid dirge
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Ark is a simulation and is used for that so the space ship can land on an planet for the humans. Some survivors are still doing it but YOU defeated Ark you find yourself in a space ship and Rockwell has taken over it in a new form. You are soon to go back to simulation and do stuff (i don't have genises 2) and you go back and you find rockwell and when you do, tentacles and other stuff try to kill you. With a exo mek you defeat the things and you see rockwell. You defeat rockwell. Leaving HLNA to die (I feel sad from it) Rockwell feels scared then dies. The space evacuates and you are now Santiago. You are awoken and see the planet and Santiago (you) feels like going to the planet is the easy part

bold dove
arctic bison
gusty turret
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Technically the entire Extinction arc could be a simulation but there is quite literally no reason to believe that in the slightest

languid dirge
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I am an ai

bold dove
arctic bison
bold dove
languid dirge
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Ok

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Im not an ark lore guy.

bold dove
gusty turret
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Freddy Fazbear hit the griddy in Rockwell's mansion (real)

arctic bison
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come on bootleg, it would be a funny prank on human civilization

gusty turret
bold dove
gusty turret
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There's also the whole Yellowstone being overdue thing

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Im gonna stick a big bendy straw in Yellowstone and drink it

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Who wants to help

bold dove
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Yep, that'll never happen within the next few centuries, cause there's more evidence showing that it'll never happen then evidence showing it will erupt.

arctic bison
gusty turret
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Science is one big Bethesda game, it just works

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Until it doesn't.

arctic bison
bold dove
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Yellowstone's activity has bounced throughout the whole time we've discovered how to predict volcanic eruptions.
Yellowstone is the definition of 'I feel like erupting today, nah, maybe tomorrow. Hmm, maybe tomorrow again.'

gusty turret
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Who wants to play where's waldo with Santiago's hair

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There's gonna be a quest on Ark 2 to make him a toupee

brazen sparrow
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Only if you mean the Where's Waldo where you buy the book, digitally edit him out of every page, perfectly paste the digital removed images into the book, then return it

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That's the only form of Where's Waldo I play

arctic bison
gusty turret
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What the hell is wrong with you

brazen sparrow
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I want the book to be fun and engaging for the person who buys it next

FOREVER

arctic bison
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Infinite and undying

gusty turret
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You can't do it with every page though then it'll be obvious

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Its gotta be the last page only so they think they're just stupid

arctic bison
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just keep 1 waldo on 1 page and give him different clothes and a hat evil_g

gusty turret
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Replace every single person with waldo

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Where isn't waldo

valid gale
round plinth
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Is there lore behind the tek creatures

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Like tek rex and etc

brazen sparrow
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Yes, but it's hard to find and really doesn't matter all that much. TL;DR, they exist in Extinction as prototypes for the dinos that would be on the Arks

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They canonically only appear on Extinction onwards, as well

gusty turret
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Just like me fr

mental basin
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I've read through every Explorer Note and every AMA I could get my hands on, and I've never seen that stated once.

lyric tendon
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Even in Gen 1, none of the tidbits explained the existence of Tek Dinos lol

They just there

mental basin
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  • TEK Creatures most likely aren't canon on The Island-Aberration, as they'd have been mentioned in the Explorer Notes
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  • TEK Creatures are canon on Extinction, we know this due to the Enraged Corrupted Trikes/Rexes, which are TEK Creatures that have been Corrupted. The best explanation would be 'security',, similar to the other TEK robots which roam Sanctuary.
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  • TEK Creatures are canon in Gen 1, as not only is the Space biome filled with them, but it's a literally just a Simulation
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  • TEK Creatures may or may not be canon on Gen 2, as while they fit the vibe, they aren't mentioned anywhere, nor does the Genesis-Ship have that kind of security. It doesn't particularly matter which side you take here.
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Additionally, they aren't 'prototypes' by any means. The first 'prototypes' were ran in a simulated environment, somewhere in Genesis.

mental basin
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I find it interesting that Rockwell found Element Ore on Scorched Earth instead of Element itself.

dark quail
mental basin
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Another thing, the Extinction Ascension infers that the people of Sanctuary had Implants.

gusty turret
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Is the key of gaia a physical object or a metaphorical object

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I always assumed it was the implant since that fades in the extinction ascension but

mental basin
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Metaphorical

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Gaia means life

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Key of Gaia meaning the key to life

carmine cedar
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Actually Gaia is the personification of earth and wanted her own son to die šŸ¤“

ornate hull
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You mean giga?

carmine cedar
mental basin
carmine cedar
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truetrue I meant it in a lighthearted manner

mental basin
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Ik ik

sick canyon
carmine cedar
mental basin
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^

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It looks different because it's his artistic interpretation.

sick canyon
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In the note picture it looks very spikey and not lumpy or impure
But who knows what the ore is supposed look like

mental basin
bronze turtle
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You guys know how after scorched earth the survivor was supposed to go to a different ark, not aberration, but then he got like glitched into aberration or something.

  1. How did he end up in aberration
  2. Why was he sent to the other ark
  3. Do you guys know what that ark somewhat looked like?
bold dove
sick canyon
bold dove
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Rockwell confirms the first two in his Aberration fight

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"Oooooh, how she begged and pleaded for me to beam you directly to the surface"

valid gale
bold dove
valid gale
valid gale
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of he means us,

bold dove
valid gale
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i mean you know what thats kinda fair

bold dove
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Like.....'he's not wrong'

valid gale
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we are kinda per pet

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we do what ever she asks no questions aks

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asked and repidly risk our life

bold dove
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We're like a Doberman pincher, being trained to bite what she commands.

valid gale
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if every death is cannon then they have been in so much pain

quaint marsh
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When do we get to rally against respawning being canon?

valid gale
quaint marsh
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It's a joke. A bad one

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anyway

valid gale
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ah ha ha

valid gale
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you know im plauing the island again and finding rockwells old notes

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and i kinda feel bad for the guy yes he has doen things that are evil but i dont think hes entirely evil.

gusty turret
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He's only human

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Most wouldn't have acted any differently facing the same circumstances

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Greed, arrogance, the desire for power, its all natural for humans he just actually got the stars to align for his "godhood"

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Similar in a way to Light Yagami from Death Note

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Although its undeniable that Light is on a much worse scale

bold dove
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Oh, sorry, correction.
"Greed is a natural (sincere) manifestation of insecurity."
So it's natural.....if you're insecure.

valid gale
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wounder if rockwell was insecure

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:)

gusty turret
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I wouldn't say thats an unreasonable assumption

proud prairie
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How did the king titan come to earth

gusty turret
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He's the definition of a midlife crisis

gusty turret
valid gale
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i belive thre is a chance in wrong

proud prairie
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Oh

bold dove
valid gale
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but if you want an answrer id say it came to earth on a metoright

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as its formed from element and i belive thats how element got here might be wrong

bold dove
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Element did come from a meteor, yes.
But the King-Titan was created on Earth, via Corruption

gusty turret
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With a difference that infinitely approaches zero being the line between greed and ambition

valid gale
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man got to love it when a lore chat for a game becaomes diagnosing the humen conditon

bold dove
valid gale
bold dove
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Wanting more out of life, isn't greed, that's life.

gusty turret
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No this is Patrick

valid gale
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ha ha ha wow

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thre are osme intresting blocked words

bold dove
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Greed, by definition, isn't a human instinct.
"intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."
Humans are social animals, if someone is hungry and we have extra food, the reasonable human thing to do is to give some food, then both of you can survive to help the species survive

valid gale
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yep

gusty turret
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But the reasonable thing to do isn't what happens, what happens is "what can i leech from you so you can get something you need to survive"

bold dove
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Buuuut, wanting more food then you need is a form of greed.
But that's an individual trait, not an instinct.

bold dove
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There's also too many variables to make greed an instinct thing, since not many people feel it.
For it to be instinct, it'd be nearly universal.
But it varies from community to community, being more prominent in richer communities, as this is (most of the time) how they got riched.
Taking advantage of others kindness.

gusty turret
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And thats the kind of people we let represent us and make decisions for us

bold dove
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But they're not representing humanity, they represent a fictional nation.

gusty turret
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But the representation is what matters, in an outside looking in perspective the ones that hold power are what set the precedent, like in the case of an alien invasion if i was an alien i would be like "wow these meat things are pricks"

bold dove
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Honest question.
If you had food for three weeks of survival, and you see someone starving, bones nearly through skin, nearly dead.
Would you give them a small portion of your rations, to at least allow them to survive a few days?

brazen sparrow
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I love this lore, best lore, you'll find no better lore than this lore

gusty turret
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I mean at that rate they're basically already dead anyways, their system would struggle to handle a full meal and if there was no way of knowing they would be able to get food more in the future it would be more of just subjecting them to more suffering than helping

bold dove
bold dove
gusty turret
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Although it isn't really my place to decide whether or not prolonging their life by giving them food at the risk of just making them suffer is right or wrong

bold dove
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It is though your choice, as you're the one with the rations.

gusty turret
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But it isn't my choice because this isn't a real scenario and im not equipped with the experience nor details of that situation to be able to properly decide which would be right or wrong

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Both choices are morally gray

bold dove
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I'm not asking what is morally gray, nor if you're equipped or experienced.
I'm asking, what 'you' in your current position, would do.

gusty turret
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If they are to the point of bones nearly through the skin and i only had three weeks of rations myself i would keep the rations

valid gale
valid gale
gusty turret
valid gale
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then theyd have had to not eaten in mouths and even then bootlegs point stands given the right amounts they woudl able to eat

bold dove
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There we have it people, two totally different outcomes.
Like I said, greed isn't in everyone.
Can't be categorized as an 'instinct'

valid gale
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again

gusty turret
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That question isn't necessarily greed based though

valid gale
valid gale
gusty turret
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I mean like is the onceler bad

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Ambition turned to greed

valid gale
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onceler?

gusty turret
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Im just talking about how its so easy to cross that line and isn't uncommon at all

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The antagonist of the lorax

valid gale
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ah sorry

bold dove
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Yep.
Greed is more of a behavior, then an instinct.
People 'can' inherit it, they can be taught it.
But it's not naturally wired in our brain.
If we where all greedy, how would be able to form a community?
How would we be highly social animals between our communities?
Why would some people dump hundreds of dollars for a pet, that has no means of protection for them?

valid gale
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i cant translate words to how they sound very well but yes i know of who you speak

bold dove
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Okay, so are we talking about the book or movie Lorax?

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Cause there's a heavy difference in message.

valid gale
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thre are some siriusly fluffy boys out there :)

bold dove
valid gale
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if its all the same with you chaps im going to tap out got soem ark to play have a good one

valid gale
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greed woyld be more seeing someone has a dog and wanting a dog because they have one

bold dove
valid gale
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or wnting a dog so you have more then they do

valid gale
bold dove
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Or wanting a dog only for self protection.

gusty turret
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There's probably a correlation between pet ownership and reduced stress/longer lifespans

valid gale
bold dove
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What would be though not selfish, is if you want a dog for mutual protection.

gusty turret
valid gale
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taking care of it for only your own could still be agrued as selsish

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man humean contrsutcts are cool\

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anyway tooldles plessre chating to yoou both

bold dove
# gusty turret Good question, I haven't absorbed either in like 8 years probably so interpret t...

Okay, so movie wise that was shit.
The 'how bad can this be' song was a replacement due to corporate outlash, in a story about greed.
The original song 'biggering' is the opposite.
It's about how greedy people will try to make excuses for everything, about how they'll make it seem like what they're doing is good for everyone.
Cause what is one more tree to fuel the money?
They'll even go to the length of making greed seem like it's human nature, that it's normal, but it isn't.
This is just due to corporations wanting to normalize it, then they can make themselves look good in the public, while they're destroying the planet.

gusty turret
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Okay but with biggering what is the line between the ambition of "whats one more tree" and the greed of "whats one more tree"

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Its a slippery slope

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There is a turning point between ambition and greed and its impossible to identify until its too late

bold dove
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One more tree in a wipe forest isn't an issue.
One more tree in a decaying one, is.

bold dove
valid gale
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you know creidit where its due

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rockwell got a lot of stuff done and basicly a god when we kill him

gusty turret
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Hes not even close to a god hes just a monster

mental basin
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He's quite literally just a mutated Survivor.

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It's a miracle he's even alive.

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The only 'Godlike' thing about him was his connection to Aberration, and by extension, the System.

mental basin
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Writing a Script right now regarding Scorched Earth and it's TEK Cave.

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How do I explain away our Ascension in the Manticore Arena?

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Actually, I'll just write it off as an inconsistency. Simple as that.

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'Devs no want make Scorch TEK Cave', period, the end.

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Though, cough, ASA would be a great time to do so, cough, cough, @calm wadi, cough.

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He's not gonna see that. cedblink

gusty turret
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He might

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He's gonna come down from the heavens and slap you for pinging him

mental basin
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He would never

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Ced's my favorite

bold dove
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He himself can create life now, his own creations, his own world, if given the chance.

gusty turret
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He can create nothing he can only convert

bold dove
gusty turret
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He didn't just magically will them into existence

bold dove
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No shit.
That doesn't make a god.
Being able to create life and worlds is, the means by doing so doesn't matter.

gusty turret
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He bruteforced his way through putting DNA together then just repurposed biomatter

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He also never displayed the possibility to actually create a world

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If thats the parameters for godhood then humanity has reached themšŸ˜­

bold dove
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If we where to terraform Mars, and research more into genesplicing and made original lifeforms with the blueprints of Earth animals. We'd be in a very basic sense, gods among the galaxy.

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Especially if we're the only sapient life to this level within our galaxy.

gusty turret
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But the thing is we wouldn't be creating anything

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While it is just semantics around the word create i view create as turning nothing into something

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The whole matter can not be created or destroyed only converted bs

bold dove
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Dava, I'm not going off what 'you' think.
I'm going off of the wikipedia/definition of what a god is.

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"In monotheistic thought, God is usually viewed as the supreme being, creator, and principal object of faith."
To a degree, Rockwell is biologically more supreme then most humans are.
Rockwell, whether you like it or not did create life.
Whether that blueprint was original or not doesn't matter.
And he was starting to be worshipped by what's-his-names alternative personality.

gusty turret
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Except we already know exactly what god Ixium worshipped because its stated in the notes

bold dove
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You.....'you know you can switch who you worship, right?'

gusty turret
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But theres no reason to believe that happened

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Until Gabriel got noglined

bold dove
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šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

valid gale
valid gale
valid gale
valid gale
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if this dose not cont as creating life im not sure what does

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unlesss you what him to magic it form thin air

gusty turret
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I mean that is generally what gods do

valid gale
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ok alow me to rephrase that

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i think hes as cloes to a god as humen could get

gusty turret
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He's a mutated freak who wishes he was a god, Helena is much closer and she admits how unlike godhood it is

gusty turret
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That doesn't really mean anything though

valid gale
gusty turret
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A world full of murderers the word loses its significance

valid gale
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90% of the words in langwige are subjective and realitive

gusty turret
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It doesn't make it untrue though

valid gale
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it makes its state (ture or false) subjective to the setting

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but if were using our current setting then yes i think many would regard rockwell as monsterus

gusty turret
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Even in his setting hes a monster

valid gale
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if helana has assened to a homo deus, then figgerd out how to mkae the same way rockwell, and do everything rockell has done in terms on interfacing then i think that would be the closeent

gusty turret
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Across multiple meanings of th word

valid gale
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closet thing a humen coudl get to god hood

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but helena woudl never do what rockwell has done

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hey sorry just somthing in not clear on how did mutagel and mutagen happen?

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it says biomechanical so if they were who created who did?

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not im not massivly up to date on my gen 2 lore

gusty turret
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Seeing as it naturally occurs in space they probably just found it, i dunno though thats a question for someone else

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It seems like it's element based imo but i dunno

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-a threatening force
-one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character
-an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure
-one unusually large for its kind
-an animal of strange or terrifying shape

  • a person of unnatural or extreme ugliness, deformity, wickedness, or cruelty
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Rockwell fills the mold for a monster in every way

bold dove
valid gale
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oh i agree that by current social standers and the current human consutrut that he woudl likly clasify as a monster

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my point was simply that said moster lable would be realavie to the socail construct he found himself in

valid gale
gusty turret
bold dove
valid gale
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why can dinos from gen 1 leave the sim

gusty turret
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Because their genetic code exists and can be fabricated onto the arks/ship

valid gale
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were we told this?

gusty turret
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Seeing as the magmasaur was a living creature that was tested on scorched initially

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Thats in one of the gen 1 chronicles

valid gale
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love the continuity

valid gale
gusty turret
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So lorewise it would be entirely possible for those creatures to exist on the arks, doesn't mean they do but they could

valid gale
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fair

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but we do somtimes jsut ave to acsept that the devs dont have a lore resson for everythihng

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it sucks but somestimes its jsut sadly the case

gusty turret
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Also in Gabriel's notes i noticed a strange tie in with ouroboros

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I have no idea what significance that has but its a strange thing to just randomly toss in there

valid gale
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used synbolics for loops?

gusty turret
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Yup

valid gale
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huh weird

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what was the tie?

gusty turret
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I wandered lost in that garden for some time, transfixed by its impossible sky...

I could see that everything around me lay on the inner rim of a gleaming wheel that arched overhead, from horizon to horizon.

There was another wheel alongside this one, and together they rolled through the firmament.

The sight of them brought back something I'd heard slaves singing in the Anglos' gold mines: "Ezekiel saw a wheel, way up in the middle of the air..."

Then I recalled an old image of a snake looping around to devour itself.

Where had I seen that...?

In my adult life I figured anything spiritual had long since been ground out of me, but that was before I'd been banished to purgation.

I quieted my mind to listen for the voices of the exalted, only to hear from another soul lost in that garden.

My magic helmet showed me a hidden door in the ground nearby.

Did I dare enter?

valid gale
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where is when he wrote that?

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my lore knologe ends at rockwell and helena

gusty turret
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Its only a few notes in, right before he meets Nida, a short while after he woke up on the ship

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I just find it odd to have ouroboros there if theres absolutely no meaning or significance behind it

valid gale
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ya

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the only loop i can think of in ark is the respawning thiong

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but thats not really a loop

gusty turret
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I feel like it would have to be separate from the Arks since the Ark arc is already over but what do i know

valid gale
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true

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you recon wer will ever go back?

gusty turret
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Etymology of Ouroboros, the Infinity Symbol:
Known as the oldest allegorical symbol in alchemy in ancient Egypt, Ouroboros expresses the unity of all things, material and spiritual, which never disappear but perpetually change form in an eternal cycle of destruction and re-creation. represents the concept of eternity and endless return as the lower part of the symbol showcases the destructive force of nature, night, earth and even Yin while the upper half represents the generation and creative force, day, heaven & yang.

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The ouroboros appears elsewhere in Egyptian sources, where, like many Egyptian serpent deities, it represents the formless disorder that surrounds the orderly world and is involved in that worldā€™s periodic renewal.The symbol persisted in Egypt into Roman times, as it appeared on magical talismans & emblems. The ouroboros acts as the mathematical equivalent for infinity and a representation of the idea of primordial unity related to something existing or preexisting before any beginning by any sort of force. The symbol is featured in religion & mythology and can be associated with Gnosticism and hermeticism.

valid gale
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also come to think about with helan on earth and the robot dead

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i think she might be done in terms of the plot

gusty turret
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I looked for a focus on Egyptian etymology since Ixion is Egyptian

valid gale
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really

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wow the arks really pulled people form all over time

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whihc i never did get did it reconstruct them form what they left behind or time travle?

gusty turret
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Its not time travel but i can't explain what it actually is well enough to do so so I'll just let someone else do it

gusty turret
valid gale
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sorry

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small thing, the eden ring desisnded to the new planet right?

gusty turret
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Narrowing it down even more "something existing or preexisting before any beginning or sort of force"

gusty turret
valid gale
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ok

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wouldent that have shadow manes on it?

gusty turret
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Nope shadowmanes are only on the ring that exploded and the ring itself likely didn't land or crashed if it did, the survivors themselves seemed to land in drop pods of sorts

valid gale
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so as far as the canons considred they are extint?

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im guessing alone with everthing else rockwell ever made?

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if so wow they really want him dead

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rockwell based genoside

gusty turret
#

I mean they all died when he imploded the shipšŸ˜­

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It was entirely his fault

valid gale
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true

lament raft
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the ship probably had the same systems as the Arks, meaning the ship could likely recreate shadowmanes

valid gale
lament raft
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if the systems are intact enough

valid gale
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well i waas going to say that if shadow manes make it to artate primt (that is the name of the planet right?) then it could be argued that a part of rockwell metaphoricly did too

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them being his creation

gusty turret
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Nah if they were in the system Rockwell would've fabricated them in the eden ring

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He was locked out of the eden ring no matter how badly he wanted it to be otherwise

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Now if we hadn't came along and booted him out of the subsystems that would be a different story

valid gale
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guess we wil find out for certion when ark 2 drops

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:)

gusty turret
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Yes i would say they're extinct

valid gale
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i think thats a shame

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they seemed nice not there fault rockwell made them

gusty turret
#

W h a t

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They're designed to be hyperaggressive super predators šŸ˜­

valid gale
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bloody hel;l

wary ruin
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Very strange mix of creatures to be hyper aggressive, why a lion fish + lion

carmine cedar
carmine cedar
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If the Rockwell ring engaged in any data backup with the Eden ring (most high-tech systems do, especially when made by an advanced civilisation), they are still in existence

brazen sparrow
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Yeah, they're still in the databanks for sure, as are every other creature that has a dossier (and is therefore canon)

mental basin
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I'm not sure he put them in any databank.

carmine cedar
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Itā€™s unconfirmed

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So thereā€™s room to add them in

gusty turret
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I mean technically they were in the simulation?

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But that could be an entirely Nida thing from where she encountered them

lyric tendon
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Did we forget the Code Red mission is essentially removing Rockwell's creations in the database?

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Aren't the goal of the survivor/the crew is to stop Rockwell infecting Eden

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Us the player bringing Rockwell's creations is more gameplay than lore unless ARK 2 stated otherwise

brazen sparrow
full aurora
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so lore nerds someone explain to me why i wake up naked on a beach please

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always wanted to know

gusty turret
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Because Mommy Helena doesn't love you

hard jackal
#

What if, the Survivor secretly is one of the many iterations of Bob from the animated series šŸ™‚ ?

ornate hull
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Unfortunately that's not possible in the lore because we start off weak on the island while Bob is already immune to everything

lyric tendon
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Nor any mentioned by HLNA that his creations is in the database itself?

brazen sparrow
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That's assuming that the few dinos we do see are the whole of the database, which is silly. You know how many other dinos are canon and in the database, right? Besides, he'd probably hide the inclusion of his few successful creations away behind some kind of proxy or firewall or some such anyways

valid gale
valid gale
bold dove
opaque loom
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Hola alguien de EspaƱa?

bold dove
opaque loom
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Okey

full aurora
valid gale
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best of luck

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as if you want to kill said mosnters with offical settings solo its going to take a few hundred hours :)

jovial warren
lyric tendon
#

again that would be a guess but not confirmed unless ARK 2 stated otherwise

valid gale
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yep

brazen sparrow
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What would be a guess? Lol

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Kinda vague

gusty turret
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That would be

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Apparently

lyric tendon
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if it's confirmed then we would see his creations in the Code Red mission aside from the Experimental Giga

brazen sparrow
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I'm still so confused to what you were referring, but assuming that we'd see all these things based on some other thing because... insert arbitrary reason here? Idk about that one šŸ˜…

orchid nest
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@everyone

bold dove
gusty turret
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Good try though

valid gale
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ating everyone does not work here?

willow tiger
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Yes, like the people above just said

bold dove
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The ARK's are orbiting around Earth, and there's possibly hundreds to thousands of them.
The Genesis-ship is gone, far, far, far, away from Earth.

low briar
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I wonder if someone has calculated the orbit distance and separation distance between Arks to get a rough idea of how many there are

bold dove
low briar
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Ascension cutscenes makes the Arks seem a lot closer to Earth than the moon is, but the moon's size in the arena might have some creative liberty for spectacle

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Only from the Overseer's observation deck (arena)

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The Arks themselves have a simulated skybox, so they don't show the true sky above them. Plus, the Arks are facing away from the Earth so survivors would usually never see it anyway

bold dove
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The dead planet at the end of The-Island 'is' Earth

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Actually, you can see it at ever every map pre-Extinction.
You can see it in Scorched during the ascension.
And you can see it on Aberration on the surface.

low briar
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Actually, Ab Ark might be the best place to get a good Earth-size-to-distance ratio to determine orbit distance

bold dove
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That'd be literally what the ARK's are suppose to be.

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The ARK's are suppose to preserve life, while giving off the illusion of being on an Earth-like environment.
Having Earth in the sky would break this illusion, especially if it's the current dead Earth.

low briar
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Aside from not wanting to freak out the humans, I'm not sure what preserving the illusion would actually achieve

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Pretty sure most of them already know something's wrong, what with all the dinosaurs running around

bold dove
low briar
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Fair

gusty turret
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I think they made a mistake putting tek era people on the arks

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Like how dumb can you be actually

low briar
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As far as we know, they were only on the Ab Ark, maybe it was an experiment ala Vault-Tek (seewhatIdidthere?)

rain dock
tender wasp
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Without the Tek people there would have never been an option to get to earth, cause they broke the malefunctioning cycle.

brazen sparrow
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Sir, this is a lore channel

arctic bison
willow tiger
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Gus

tender wasp
mental basin
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ASA needs VA for all the Explorer Notes.

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Meaning Wildcard will have to reluctantly recognize the existence of Diana again.

mental basin
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On another note

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Rockwell isn't very smart

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Mixing Edmundium and human blood is literally no different than injecting Edmundium directly into himself

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When the chemist is incorrect!!

tulip jasper
mental basin
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Jesse

willow tiger
mental basin
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Jesse we need to ascend Jesse

mental basin
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When it doesn't.

willow tiger
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Well the latter doesn't specify the blood veins

mental basin
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It doesn't matter, he's focusing on the blood aspect.

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Pure injection and a mixture injection would provide zero difference, as either way Element is still coming in contact with the blood.

mental basin
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I wish they'd have given us more time with HLN-A.

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I know we're supposed to be super sad we lose her in the end, but we got one DLC where she spouts nonsense the entire time, and another where she states nothing besides the obvious.

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Gen 1 HLN-A: Water is wet.
Gen 2 HLN-A: Rockwell is made of meat.

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We don't get any critical story moments with her until the very end of Gen 2, disallowing us to get emotionally attached.

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Rockwell was a different case, thankfully. His death tortures me.

bold dove
mental basin
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You don't say.

brazen sparrow
manic mason
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ngl the lore for ark slaps

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so good

quaint marsh
lament raft
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HLNA was cute

brazen sparrow
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Yeah, I don't see the issues everyone had, they probably left their verbosity for her at high and only actually played the Gen maps when they first came out then never again (she was buggy and would repeat and/or loop lines with both maps on release, but that's a technical issue not the game or character's fault)

lament raft
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i enjoyed how emotive they made her for such a simple design

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it reminded me of that little Bit from Tron

mental basin
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But I felt way more of a connection to Edmund, the person lingering in my mind for 6 years, not HLN-A, who was only there for like, 1Ā½.

low briar
mental basin
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That's literally one of her Gen 1 Notes. She talks about 2 AIs within the simulation arguing about whether or not water is wet.

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I wish I was joking.

gusty turret
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The gen 1 notes were really just placeholders they didn't provide much if any insight into the simulation

mental basin
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Funny misconception- Rockwell isn't ACTUALLY a chemist.

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He's an alchemist. Yes, there is a difference.

lyric tendon
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didn't he stated in the notes that he is a chemist and distain religious mysticism back in SE?

mental basin
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He did, several times I think. All after The Island.

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I'd assume that Marc somehow didn't know the difference.

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Or just retconned it down the line.

lyric tendon
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probably

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then again eugenics tho

mental basin
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In the Island, Rockwell uses 'alchemy' and 'chemistry' interchangeably.

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But he started out as an alchemist.

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Then... he kinda just...

bronze turtle
#

what is the best ark lore explain vid yall?

brazen sparrow
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Rockwell is a chemist. They aren't mutually exclusive, and the only difference between the two is that alchemy was a philosophical pursuit and more often than not was used as a method of scamming rich people by telling them you could make gold out of lead if they gave you money to buy the materials for it (which you then stalled about paying back until the end of time or they had you hanged/killed, whichever came first)

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Basically, alchemy is a pseudoscience and the standard "alchemists" of the time should feel bad

mental basin
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Survival Stories

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I wrote a lot of his Summary Series as well, you're gonna wanna watch that first.

bold dove
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@mental blaze So, in-canon the Corruption is one large hivemind.
So in-canon, yes, attacking a corrupted raptor would alert literally every Corrupted creature on the planet of your existence, even the King-Titan.

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Which is why after a few scouting hordes of Corrupted creatures came to Camp-Omega in the notes, the whole damn species of Titans where going after the camp.

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Basically one big 'you're in the wrong neighborhood'

mental blaze
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Oh crap that would be nightmare fuel

bold dove
mental blaze
bold dove
mental blaze
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Urp???????

bold dove
mental blaze
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Oh

mental basin
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Urp

gusty turret
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Urp

bold dove
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Urp

dawn stirrup
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Urp

spice mirage
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Urp

snow seal
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Urp

brazen sparrow
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Urp

jovial warren
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Urp

lyric tendon
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Urp

grim locust
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Urp

arctic bison
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Urp

compact zenith
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Urp

carmine cedar
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Urp

crimson elk
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Urp

wet yew
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Urp

zinc plover
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Urp

low briar
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Urp

hard jackal
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Urp

low mango
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Urp

compact zenith
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Urp

lyric tendon
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Urp

carmine cedar
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Urp

rain nest
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Urp

wet yew
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Urp

hollow holly
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you guys are sick

bold dove
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Urp

mental basin
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Urp

hybrid grail
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What is urp

jagged heath
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Urp

hybrid grail
bold dove
jagged heath
bold dove
jagged heath
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idk why it mentioned ambitionz

remote hearth
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Peak Ark Lore:
Urp

lyric tendon
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chain has broken šŸ˜

low briar
carmine cedar
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Urp

compact zenith
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Urp

mental basin
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Wassurp

wet yew
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Urp

rain nest
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prU

gusty turret
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Er mer gerd

unique cobalt
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Yep

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Urp

lyric tendon
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urp

wet yew
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Urp

sick canyon
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Urp

vapid prawn
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Hey I got a lore question: I know gameplay wise you do not age, but what if you didnt die for many, many years, grew old and died of old age? Would the ark respawn you? If yes, as an old person or at another age? Is there evidence for that?

lyric tendon
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Before that they are basically playing in hardcore mode with Permadeath

bold dove
bold dove
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Though, becoming old also requires cells to grow old and start to decay.
This could just not be a thing for respawn protocol survivors.

vapid prawn
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Thank you for answering. Then I guess Helena (she created respawn, right?) Built it with a "not aging" feature to basically make them immortal even on an age level

carmine cedar
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Urp

mental basin
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There's no lore there because it doesn't really matter. It's in the same field as 'Why don't we brush our teeth in ARK?'

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We don't because it just doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd say that yes, Survivors canonically age. There's nothing saying we don't, and other Survivors in the lore clearly age.

warped comet
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Also what about rockwell think his ass will return based off of the 1.overseer protocol or 2. He could still be considered a survivor

lament raft
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i hope not

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rockwell is played out

lyric tendon
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Already corrupted and too Far Gone

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Not worth redemption

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In the words of Homo Deus Helena once you beat him in Ab

"He'll be at peace"

warped comet
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Yeah I liked his death

warped comet
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And he was once a survivor Mabey he did something how ever unlikely

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Tho is probably dead

lyric tendon
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His data is too corrupted to return as a human, you already saw that in Genesis

warped comet
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True but then how he get to genisis is my question

warped comet
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Wonder how they will do bosses for ark 2

lyric tendon
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Find out in the "new" story map for ASA

If you want some current theories, it's the superteleporter thingy in Arat Prime

warped comet
lyric tendon
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Go to #ark-2 About ARK 2 as there is no lore drop currently

warped comet
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Ok

lyric tendon
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Ab is already broken to begin with, hence, no guardians, broken surface, and Rockwell being an Overseer

warped comet
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True well the ark was very unstable till he became it, tho in the after credits of extinction my question is did he like crawl to genisis ship and then take over

lyric tendon
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No one knows for sure until the new story DLC is revealed

warped comet
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Also are we the same survivor on every map or does genisis start with a new one like extinction have that survivor live on earth then we a new one on gen

lyric tendon
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We don't even know if Ab fell before or after the reseed protocol

warped comet
lyric tendon
warped comet
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Alright

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It would make sense tho if we were all one just diffrent bodyā€™s ya know

lyric tendon
warped comet
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Yeah

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I think he may have used the elements hive mind or something Mabey he became kinda like the titans

lyric tendon
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No the ARKs told him about the titans and him thinking he is gonna stop them or whateves

(I believe that is one of the hidden notes)

@bold dove @mental basin correct me on this one

mental basin
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Not a hidden Note, just bossfight dialogue. But he found info on them in the System, methinks.

warped comet
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Huh

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Well element has a hive mind right

lyric tendon
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Plausibly

warped comet
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So he is almost 100% corrupted on ab

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So then right as he is hitting earth he could have joined the element and then swapped bodyā€™s or something

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Cause heā€™s like a second master of element (first was king titan)

lyric tendon
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Doubt it but again things will change once that DLC is out

Rockwell is changed during the SE update with added dialogue during the boss fight

warped comet
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True

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I doubt they will retcon the element conssisness thing

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Cause element has some intellect

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Also is his dossier he goes insane probably because of the hive mind searching his memories and giveing him some thinking it could take him over

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He then most likely beats the elements control with some mental damage the tries kill all of the survivors on ab

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Then is beaten dies to us, and while either before impact or during connects with earths hive mind and it views him as its new master or cries out to him he uses it to get to gen ship

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Rebuilds his old body but new break free of the overseers duties(he was bound to be weaker on ab due to it) then begins to take over the ship

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It could explain how he gets to gen

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As long as their is element he could technically be brought back is some degree but I doubt it he kinda redeems him self at the end if you hear his voice

mental basin
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Rockwell is NOT Corrupted.

warped comet
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Heā€™s not????

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That kinda makes sense thank you

mental basin
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His 'corruption' is different.

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It's moreso Element mutation.

warped comet
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It does look diffrent

mental basin
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He's not in any way connected to the hivemind.

warped comet
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Oh then he is completely dead šŸ’€ then how do you think he got to the gen ship

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Cause I got no idea now

mental basin
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Watch Neddythenoodle's most recent Arat Prime video.

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I wrote it, it talks about how Rockwell got on via Arat Prime.

warped comet
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Alright also is it confirmed he survived ABā€™s fall

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Like he was able to move after it

brazen sparrow
mental basin
mental basin
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And I'd eat out of an Applebee's dumpster if it's not Arat Prime.

brazen sparrow
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She* said what she* said in a way that implies Arat Prime is the new map, which it's not as far as we know. Then, replied to the fella up there on how Rockwell got to the ship, saying it was a theory that he used the superluminal link to get there, when it is fact and not a theory as stated

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At least, that's how the sentence structure makes it read out and the way I was interpreting it (and henceforth informed the way I replied to it)

warped comet
mental basin
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Aberration (Somehow) crashed near Arat Prime, and he entered through a superluminal link to Genesis that Mei and Diana opened for Helena.

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Yes, Mei and Di are still kicking.

warped comet
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yooo

lyric tendon
brazen sparrow
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All good, just misunderstood what you said by the way it was typed, no biggie

lyric tendon
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I always say in the literal sense, I rarely imply

brazen sparrow
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I moreso mean the structure of the message, but yeah

bold dove
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You're going off with a whole other goddamn point that no one (that I can see) asked for.

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Why are you reacting instead of actually talking?

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Where does it state in their message that they're talking about Titans?

rain dock
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When the say maybe Rockwell became like the titans

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The message before lol

lyric tendon
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too busy to reply

bold dove
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Should restrict myself from talking when first waking up.

lyric tendon
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my brother in christ, plox scroll down lmao

gusty turret
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I still don't think Rockwell should've survived the fall

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If you lock a hamster in an elevator and toss it down from orbit it probably won't make it out of that

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Make it even better if the elevators stabilizers are not stabilizing and it starts spinning really fast

lyric tendon
bold dove
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I believe their point is more 'I don't think that's logical' then 'that's what happened'

proven inlet
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When are we getting the show

wet yew
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No one knows

mental basin
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Breaking Bad

gusty turret
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Breaking urp

compact zenith
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Urp

low briar
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Urp

ornate hull
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Peaking good

bold dove
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Urp: Urvival Urpvolved.

lyric tendon
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urp

compact zenith
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Urp: Urvival Urpended

rain dock
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Urp: undivided rat protectorate

crimson elk
bold dove
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Urp

crimson elk
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Urp

mental basin
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Assimilated urp

compact zenith
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Urp

timid phoenix
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Urp

bronze forge
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Urp

wet yew
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Urp

surreal zenith
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(b)Urp

lyric tendon
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Urp

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Urp

carmine cedar
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Urp

quaint marsh
hollow needle
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Urp

cloud loom
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Bark survival unevolved

compact zenith
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Urp

solar bolt
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new zealand was obliterated in lore
the king titan wiped out humanity
therefore
king titan is more durable than new zealand

mental basin
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YEAH

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SCREW New Zealand

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ALL my Survivors hate New Zealand

bold dove
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New Zealand is just the bootleg, lesser Australia.

gusty turret
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Australia is just a bootleg lesser Britain

bold dove
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Britain sucks.

rain dock
brazen sparrow
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Don't talk shit on New Zealand, it's literally basically a fantasy realm but irl

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But Australia do be a whole ass penal colony that tried to make themselves into a country though

manic mason
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its so different like austrlia is just red dirt while new zealand is like mountains an shit

gusty turret
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They're basically the same place

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Australians just have a higher pitched voice generally

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Imagine having a prime minister that just went swimming and literally disappeared

rain dock
quaint marsh
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Absolutely not

mental basin
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Hell on Earth vs. Dungeons and Dragons

sick canyon
carmine cedar
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Urp

compact zenith
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Urp

sick canyon
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Urp

bronze turtle
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Mate I live in a place which is undercoverd yet and you people will go on the verg of madness when you find out in june the 4 prep your self

gusty turret
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Bro what

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Ojay edgelord

lyric tendon
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Urp

compact zenith
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Urp

compact zenith
brazen sparrow
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What in the actual fuck is he even talking about

lyric tendon
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urp

mental basin
lyric tendon
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element

gusty turret
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He's Cthulhu

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I hate when i go on the verg of madness though

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Kinda sucks its all going down on june the 4 too thats my favorite day

compact zenith
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Urp

midnight bobcat
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Tf is a tek bomb, and if its strong enough to blow up half of abberations one landing thingy, how come anything on earth still stands after the tek war

rain dock
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And it's basically the only moderately habitable spot

midnight bobcat
# rain dock Did you notice that ext is a wasteland?

Well yeah, but a single tek bomb, made from scrap, literally ripped one of the things that are meant to survive crashing into the earth in half. Pretty sure if it was detonated anywhere near sanctuary itd be ruined

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Also just now thought of: why not use it against king titan? I mean there is plenty element scrap laying around on ext

lament raft
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it didn't break the ark in half, it just destroyed the end of one of the arms that rise above the ark itself

bold dove
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@mental basin Hey, sorry to tag you, I have no idea what time it is for you.
But do you know if there's any valid reason why they didn't just bomb the titans from orbit if they're able to make tek-bombs on Aberration?

midnight bobcat
midnight bobcat
mental basin
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They probably couldn't. It was only towards the very end of the mass Extinction event the Titans came into existence.

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By then, everyone important to the Genesis-Project had somewhat recently left Earth, while all other humans were abandoned.

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It was hopeless. Everyone was holed up in some shelter, not wanting to brave the apocalypse on their doorstep.

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Not only that, but I doubt that there were many qualified pilots at that point- whether or not they'd even have access to that weaponry anymore is unclear.

gusty turret
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Orbital bombardment platforms instead of orbital biodomes

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Sounds viable to mešŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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If they had the time to clone people that had been dead for thousands of years they definitely could've made weapons that could target titans from orbit

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Just like with not tek bombs since that evidently didn't help the first time

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Maybe napalm? Some kind of incendiary to burn all the corrupted biomatter?

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Thermite burns hotter but napalm sticks so

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They could also realistically just mass fabricate enforcers and shoot them down in drop pods

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Not realistically but a viable weapons platform strategy

brazen sparrow
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Ah yes, fight the element by shooting more element at it, very good

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Why didn't I think of that

mental basin
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I mean, that's how we tame the Titans.

brazen sparrow
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Since when? You aren't forced to use tek weapons to tame them, a rocket launcher or fabi sniper or any other ranged weapon works just as good

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The only times we canonically use tek (which isn't quite element per se, but close enough) is the mega mek against the King Titan and the fed suit/exo mek on the ship, iirc (also the tek wrench in the Gen 2 missions but idk the canonicity of that since it's in the sim)

bold dove
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Bruise having a moment where he forgets literally everything on Extinction is hinted that we're suppose to use tek, on the tek-based map.

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Literally the whole gameplay loop with the OSD's and Element-Veins is to get more element-based technology.

brazen sparrow
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I'd almost argue that (with the same logic being used here), since there's explorer notes tied to the unique structures, items, and tames that activate once you craft/tame them, that we canonically tame every creature in Gen 2, but idk about that either. Doesn't seem very necessary to me that we make the phase pistol, or tame the tek stryders, or even the noglins

bold dove
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I honestly don't think bombing the titans would be much of an issue if the ARK's where able to do it, like how they're able to shoot down the OSD's.
It takes time for titans to reform, but we also know from how scared the King-Titan was when harmed in the notes that it is mortal. So I don't even think it 'can' reform.
Which means if you nuked the big bootleg godzilla, the ARK's can come down while the corruption is regaining its strength and EMP blast their ass.

brazen sparrow
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"Hinted at" in no way means that it's canon for sure 100% lmao

bold dove
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Wait, did Bruise unblock me?
Not sure if that's meant for me, or SteL

brazen sparrow
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But anywho, I already know this is going to be an L conversation, and I have some diamonds to sell in TotK evil_g

bold dove
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Wait, so does he have me blocked or not?

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Bruise is a very, very confusing man.

gusty turret
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Maybe a big element laser for the king but

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The meks run on element so you literally are armed to fight fire with fire

bold dove
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Honestly, just in general I don't see why it can't be harmed from orbit.

gusty turret
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How the hell does he hide

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Why can't he be located without the voice of his lieutenants

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Hes literally the size of the empire state building like

bold dove
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But SteL does make a good point that no one probably thought of the idea.
The whole Collapse was probably happening so fast that no one thought of fighting back against the Corruption, and thought of the most basic human emotion.
Preservation of our species.

gusty turret
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Fight flight or freeze

bold dove
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Exactly.

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We chose flight in this situation.

gusty turret
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I feel like fight would be the first instinct but

bold dove
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Probably on a small scale, yeah.

gusty turret
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I think the reason they didn't fight or make orbital platforms for fighting would be because we wouldn't have a story if they did

bold dove
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We'd probably try to use classic nuclear bombing against the horde (since remember, there where a lot more titans then what we see in game. They just all died off by the time we get to Extinction)

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But it'd be akin to a zombie virus, and it would spread so fast that fighting it would seem hopeless, since if we kill 20, 40 more will come.

gusty turret
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I would say arm the orbital platforms with nukes but thatd make it just about as bad as it was with the element since stryders weren't utilized besides the ship

bold dove
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But Corruption is also not dumb, it's hella smart.
So it probably tactically destroyed as much of the population to force humanity to flee.

gusty turret
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I dunno it seems pretty dumb to me

bold dove
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In-canon/notes, it's smart.
King-Titan shows to have human-like intelligence.

gusty turret
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The king seems to be fooled out of hiding pretty easily

bold dove
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Being able to be fooled doesn't mean you're dumb.

gusty turret
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But when you're hiveminded with the things that are being used to fool you and you don't pick up on the three largest components of the hivemind no longer being responsive to you yet still calling you out

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Sounds like how people die in horror movies

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Anywyas

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Napalm napalm sticks like glue

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I can't finish the second verse of that

bold dove
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I don't recall also in the notes, that it's stated that we even trick the King-Titan out of hiding?

gusty turret
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We use the "voices" of the other titans to make him think they are calling him, no?

bold dove
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I don't recall that in the notes.

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I believe that's just a gameplay mechanic, like how they don't roam the map anymore.

gusty turret
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Before you can expel this darkest of shadows, you'll have to hunt him down. For one so large, he hides quite well. It's vexing. I dislike it.

If you search for him blindly, you may search forever. So instead, call him to you. Use the voice of his lieutenants, and call out his name. Then he may appear before you, with all his wrath and fury. Then you'll have your chance.

But to speak with the voice of his lieutenants, you must take their hearts. Or if you can, take their minds, and pit their strength against his. However you do it, they are the key. You must begin with them.

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With the hearts or minds of his three lieutenants in hand, you must travel across the wastes and walk the forbidden plains - into the heart of the barren garden. It's here where his power is strongest, but he will show himself nowhere else. He has no reason to step down from his throne.

Yet in this place, if you call him with the voices of his lessers, then he will come. With all the might and hatred of the violet poison from which he was born, he will answer your call:

The King of Shadows. The King of Death.

Do not summon him recklessly. Before you challenge him, you'll need to prepare. As it happens, this is one thing I can help you with.

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I always interpreted that as duping him into thinking he was being summoned by the lesser titans but

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It could also be taunting him out, or various other thingsšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

bold dove
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"Then he may appear before you, with all his wrath and fury. Then you'll have your chance."
I personally think that's more of a 'ayo, I killed your friends and now I'm using their voices. Come fight me M8'

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Not tricking, and more pissing him off.

gusty turret
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It's unclear to me whether it was a matter of evolution or awakening. That is to say, I'm not certain if the violet poison turned into the all consuming virus it is now, or if it always was that way. Either is possible.

Was it an infection, carried across the universe like interstellar pollen, or a remarkable resource, mutated into a monstrosity? Was our garden invaded, or twisted by the greed and ambition of its keepers? I don't know the answer. I'm not sure it matters.

What's clear is that it's merciless. Unfeeling. It's driven by base instincts and primal emotion - propagation, hunger, and hatred - and it spreads those to its shadows. Hatred most of all.

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The way she talks about it every time just makes me think that was just her generally talking about him and not necessarily him being pissed off especially