#lore-nerdz

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haughty pilot
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could dinosaur equivalent "grolar bears" happen?

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equuses and chalics are a little related afterall

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does the island have its own "lumberjack tales" that involve hilariously fake "fearsome critters"

rain dock
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Mei is the most Bob of all the characters in the notes, other than Bob himself

gusty turret
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She tamed a giga like a bob

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Mei gets plot armor again

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She was shooting from the back of an argy -_-

eternal stream
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I didn’t know this I need more information

gusty turret
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Wait no i was mistaken she was shooting from the back of the carno which isn't much better in terms of her hacks

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I was thinking of how she was playing with the giga afterwards on the argy

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Or one of her "flying beasts" at least

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Anyways isn't element technically gonna one day just overrun the universe since it endlessly grows from itself unless its all used up?

lean bobcat
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Mei-Yin knockout tamed a rock drake and brought a giga into the boss fight

gusty turret
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That too

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She so quirky she can't just play the game like the rest of us

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She also managed to get a dead body to ascend with her out of the boss fight room- actually I can't recall if Nerva was dead before or after they teleported

hollow holly
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they need to fill in the gap between extinction and gen one

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they didn’t lay out how HLN-A came to be

mental basin
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They did.

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They literally did.

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Helena first was beamed into Genesis by Mei-Yin and Diana at Arat Prime, where she made HLN-A. Afterwards Rockwell made it to Arat Prime and beamed himself onto the Genesis-Ship.

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Who we are is apparently "up to interpretation", but I haven't been given a source.

gusty turret
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they could still fill the gap in the sense of telling us if it is canonically the one who tried again on the ship or if it's an entirely different survivor

mental basin
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The rest though, is confirmed by Peter Fries.

gusty turret
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Would much prefer there be a canonical set answer to that for linear story progression, like are we gonna know Santiago from the notes in Ark 2 if we are the same person? Or are we gonna have no clue who he is?

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Assuming we're even still the random person/the one who tries again and not just some random bob in Ark 2

dense ice
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There's obviously a pretty big divide here over the changes the Animated Series makes, but I think it's important to understand a few things:

1. The Animated Series will not be following the notes closely. It will hit some of the main "story arcs" but otherwise is doing its own thing.

2. This is good. We do not need to be upset over the fact the animated series won't follow or be "accurate" to the main story because it's an entirely new medium and it's an adaptation. If they were following the same old story from the game, it wouldn't be as exciting. Despite how little people know about the lore, the ones who do would not find the animated series as "fresh" if it were an exact repeat of the game's story. I for one appreciate this, and it's the main reason why I'm fine with so many changes.

3. We need to have a clear distinction between the game and the show, and not try and freak out over what is "canon." They're ultimately two completely separate things, and I think we should focus on educating and entertaining people while also making it crystal clear that they are two. separate. stories.

4. Let's be welcoming to people and not "all-knowing" when it comes to ARK lore. Yes I get really specific and squint my eyes when talking about technical nitty-gritty details of the ARK story, but we can do that while also not being rude about it. Given how many new ARK-lore enthusiasts will be cropping up, being nice and relaxed is the best way to welcome new people 🙂
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lyric tendon
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that is why the best copium in this situation is treat the Anime as an MCU of sorts, it has its own thing compared to the comics

hell the Fox and the Hound animated movie is hugely different from the source material (because the movie used a different book for the plot while keep the character's names) yet the disney version is well recieved

tired ospreyBOT
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check Case #30651 @wet frigate has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

bronze turtle
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Am4 no, you can't do that

rain dock
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Dollie wrote a message in the #ark-animated-series that said that for the most part it follows the notes pretty closely

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We haven't seen it all, but to be fair we haven't seen anything but the trailers

digital flower
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I think she'd already said something similar to that in her tweets

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I mainly think their selling the AAS to the wider audience who don't know much about the lore and haven't read any/much of the notes to introduce it to them whilst also covering the backstorys of some characters in the lore and potentially filling in gaps of the lore and hopefully fixing some plotholes.

rain dock
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Yeah, I anticipate it to be pretty close to the note lore, but it might be a bit different. Even still that doesn't mean it isn't the same timeline/story since the game lore is all journals. Journals are notoriously inaccurate, so it give them some room to elaborate

pine surge
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huh

lyric tendon
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I am leaning to "waaaayyy too different"

brazen sparrow
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And that's ok

bold dove
mental basin
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ARK

lyric tendon
grave linden
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i wonder how rockwell died in his original life

bold dove
grave linden
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nerva and mei yin likely fell in battle

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but rockwell how'd he die he aparently came to the ark not as the old coger from the notes but as a strapping young man

lyric tendon
lyric tendon
bold dove
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Key-word is 'worse.'
We have yet to see the show fully, and you're already disregarding it entirely?
A one to one adaptation will never work for any books, since those are two completely separate medias that entertain their viewers two separate ways.

lyric tendon
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i guess you missed the part that i accept the ARK Anime as an MCU across multiple lore-related servers now, and that is pretty much my copium

grave linden
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mazzy there are things books are good at things movies are good at and things games are good at they have superior abilities for certain styles of story telling and weaknesses in other ways it's literally subjective and here's something i like saying helenas sexuality never mattered it has no influence on her life and story if the lore is anything to go off so i hope to god they don't make it her entire personality like she gay ok good move on

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mmmmhmmm

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just like shows these days tend to go that way

lyric tendon
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the gripe i have is the anime is not 1:1 to the lore as we expected... we were hoping for the plotholes be patched, not a full 180

grave linden
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plotholes explain

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what exactly are arks plotholes

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i mean rockwell on gen 1 and 2 obviously

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how'd he get there

lyric tendon
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rockwell manor's locations, heather, that is just the Island

SE... i dont remember any tbh

Ab... a lot to list but mostly the mysterious "element extractor" and the mysterious structure before the Tek Tribe

grave linden
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heather?\

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wait isn't she rockwells assistant???

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or am i mistaken i need to read the notes again

lyric tendon
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yep

fallow sapphire
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wasn't that Isabelle?

brazen sparrow
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He had many assistants, why and how is one of them a plothole? Tf? And the element extractor, as already proven, is not canon, it's just a name for an item in the devkit lol

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Stop reaching so much, just enjoy the new lore that fills in the gaps between the notes and chilllllll

brazen sparrow
# grave linden i mean rockwell on gen 1 and 2 obviously

This is explained, actually. He gets there the same way we and HLN-A do, through the uplink at Arat Prime on Earth, post-Extinction, as seen in the reveal trailer for Genesis. As for where it's explained, I believe it's through some of the Gen 2 notes, iirc? Not 100% sure, been awhile

warped gyro
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guys

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in wich chanel can i ask some questions?

lyric tendon
lyric tendon
bold dove
lyric tendon
bold dove
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No soviets allowed

gusty turret
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They're putting element in the water that turn the fricken frogs gay

waxen flame
gusty turret
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When did gay become a word that didn't get automatically deleted

waxen flame
lyric tendon
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the word being blocked was common in some discord servers

gusty turret
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I wanna say it was a while ago

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We should compile the lore for this discord server instead of the game

lyric tendon
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we already have the #CursedLore

gusty turret
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That doesn't exist for me

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But if i recall isn't that just a lot of talk about Rockwell tentacles

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After it got ran out of here by the mods for ussifying too many words

lyric tendon
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it all started with a screenshot that is posted here about HLNA and a bed

toxic citrus
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So are Rockwell and the corruption the same or different? If different where did the corruption come from

bold dove
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Corrupted is a mutated strain (or the real form, still never confirmed) of Element.

toxic citrus
bold dove
toxic citrus
bold dove
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He tells you in his new lines on Aberration.

toxic citrus
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o cool

bold dove
# toxic citrus o cool

Basically, after Aberration crashed on Earth, it landed near Arat-Prime.
The launch-station of the Genesis-ship.
He was able to transfer his conscious onto the Genesis-ship, but left his old body behind to be destroyed by the ARK's. (hints why he looks different in Genesis-2

toxic citrus
vital acorn
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That doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t have somethings from the notes

toxic citrus
vital acorn
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There are definitely things that are going to be from the notes in the show, because it would be a waste not to use the stuff from the game

vital acorn
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I have a question lets say hypothetically that a survivor who woke up on an ark was able to remove their specimen implant what do you think would happen to them?

brazen sparrow
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They'd die

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Theoretically and literally

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And even hypothetically

unkempt pond
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😖

gusty turret
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They wouldn't be able to respawn anymore, they wouldn't be able to translate any other languages anymore, theyd probably just bleed out on the spot from the damage caused to the wrist from ripping it out

brazen sparrow
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As seen in the second Ark 2 trailer, it is grafted to our skeleton (as was previously theorized). So it'd be almost impossible to take out in the first place 😅

gusty turret
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Nahhhh it wouldn't be that hard it would just require such an extensive amount of blunt force that you would probably crush your forearm, lose your hand, and bleed out

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A hammer and a chisel would probably do the job

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Which is actually a sick method of being a murderer on the arks now that i think about it

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Like if you survive it getting torn out what are you gonna do anyways its not like you can tell anyone you could be an ancient Egyptian talking to a Native American and you no longer have the implant to translate so

brazen sparrow
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Again, it is GRAFTED to your SKELETON. You would not survive, period. Do you know how hard it is to remove things attached to your skeleton? Because it is very hard, if not impossible, fyi

gusty turret
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You would just have to get someone else to do it for you

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H a m m e r and c h i s e l

brazen sparrow
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🤦‍♂️

gusty turret
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You just gotta break it off smh

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But it also depends what its made out of

brazen sparrow
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Element

obsidian skiff
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can someone check out if you can join my non-dedicated server

brazen sparrow
gusty turret
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Rockwell is going to eat you in your sleep

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Anyways

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Its kinda weird they used element for everything

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They also kinda didn't even fix the element problem they just temporarily solved it, no?

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Cuz once the arks came down didn't the little barrier thing stopping meteors of it coming in also come down?

brazen sparrow
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In what way? That's exceedingly vague

gusty turret
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Like they purged it once but there's literally nothing stopping it from the eventuality that it will come back and do the exact same thing all over again

gusty turret
brazen sparrow
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Go seep

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Get rest

gusty turret
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I slept for 3 hours thats enough

brazen sparrow
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It really isn't

gusty turret
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Im ready to ungraft the implant from my skeletal system

brazen sparrow
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I can tell

gusty turret
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I bet if they invented laser surgery it would do it

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Reinvented

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I just wonder why people randomly wake up with absolutely no pattern at all

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And what age do they start at when waking up

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A l s o

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How tf could Mei with a few pets do pretty much everything that the entire uhhh- I don't remember what faction it was- army couldn't

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This woman has such an ungodly amount of plot armor it is ridiculous

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Like they had access to all those robots all those meks a metric crapton of who knows what else and they couldn't dent the corrupted at all

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Also we know from sanctuary that they were at the very least testing overseers there- i would believe they were using them to fight also tho like how did they fail so badly

wary ruin
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What

gusty turret
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How does one ancient Chinese women do what an entire army of futuristic cyborg people couldn't

wary ruin
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Sorry but I don’t remember there being cyborgs

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The only army I remember are nerva’s

gusty turret
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Yeah the URE that like used the element to modify themselves and become the homodeus

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i use cyborg very loosely

wary ruin
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Yeah no I’m pretty sure there’s no cyborgs on the arks, and from what I know they didn’t try to fight the titans if that’s what you’re saying

gusty turret
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Technically everyone on the Arks are cyborgs because they're cybernetically enhanced via the implant but that's neither here nor there and also not what I'm talking about

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Like the whole army that was supposed to defeat the corruption and give the Arks the signal to come back to Earth once it was safe

wary ruin
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What exactly are you talking about then

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Iirc the arks broke

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So instead of sending people back down to earth they just kept repeating

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But I’m not really sure what you’re saying.. as you’re just touching on so many topics it’s hard to follow

gusty turret
gusty turret
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The whole repeating thing only came to be when Helena ascended and started playing around to cause us to be able to come back after death

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But both the Terran Federation and the URE failed to contain the corruption at all while a random ancient Chinese woman with a half broken mek manages to exterminate an entire horde and is only stopped once the king titan gets there

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The same random Chinese woman that tranqed out a rock drake and tamed it that way

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What im saying is Mei Yin is hacking

grave linden
grave linden
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mei yin she's a different breed

lyric tendon
grave linden
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there is no lore............in dlc maps............ i beg to differ it may not be written but it is clearly intended from small bits hither are there

gusty turret
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In free dlc maps

grave linden
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ruins caves the like

gusty turret
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You can put any story you want to it and it could make sense because theres no guided sense of storytelling

grave linden
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the torture chamber on rag

gusty turret
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Theres corpses in caves on Ragnarok you could say they were killed by cannibal tribes or they were at war with a rival kingdom or anything

grave linden
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some crazy mf skinning people in there

gusty turret
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Theres no story to it you can just say whatever you want and theres no way to say you're right or wrong because the story just isn't there

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Its like looking at a still picture from some random place at some random time you can say basic concepts that you see but theres no story to it to go in depth for

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Unlike the story maps that have written lore and now extra cutscenes

lyric tendon
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like seriously now, you are trying to make the literal fan map of Skyrim or Lord of the Rings as "ark lore canon" lmao

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or the GProtal cave has something to do with the Tek War lmao

gusty turret
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Tbh tho i think Rag and Lost Island are the most plausible to be an actual Ark cuz they're the ones that follow the whole "just a plain island nothing special" vibe

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They just have no story to support that

gusty turret
lyric tendon
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Lost Island especially... i mean c'mon it's freaking Tamriel from Bathesda's The Elder Scroll Series

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plus never forget the first free DLC "The Center"

there is no lore excuse having a literal sun in the center of the earth

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there is a reason why the Rag notes are scrapped, because they have to make one for The Center as well

gusty turret
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Im not saying that they actually are im just saying that if any of the free maps were to be actual arks it would be Rag or Lost Island because they fit the mold for the vast majority of the Arks

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Which is just an Island

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Like modders aside just the structure of the map compared to what we know most other arks are like

scarlet junco
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Did anybody notice that Rockwell note 30 on aberration got updated?

dense ice
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with the lines added talking about how he's sorry?

scarlet junco
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Yea

dense ice
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correct, that was added in the explorer notes update

scarlet junco
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I cant really understand if he Actually regrets turning himself into “a god”

mental basin
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Internally, yes.

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Deep down inside.

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But he's too far gone.

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In Gen1 he was even searching through old Earth texts on loneliness.

scarlet junco
mental basin
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No, I'm talking about HLN-A finding the records he was rooting through.

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Again, one that stands out is loneliness.

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He's lonely.

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Sadwell iseer

scarlet junco
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😭

gusty turret
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Rockwell is brocken 🖤🖤🖤

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Tbh that makes me question if he himself was actually scared or not when the ship imploded

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At least he didn't die alone

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He had an obnoxious Australian robot with him

scarlet junco
gusty turret
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Anyways do you think the species R plants that grow meat are just little pieces of rockwell

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Are we feasting on rockwells tentacle meat

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Or is it unrelated tentacle meat

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And if it is rockwell tentacle meat

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Is he beyond the point that it would be considered cannibalism

brazen sparrow
gusty turret
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How is it false that we only started being able to come back/repeat once Helena ascended and played around with the system until she discovered the ability to make people respawn?

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I think i was just talking about something entirely different than that person was talking about now that im rereading it

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Im not wrong i was just not talking about the right topic

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But that person was also wrong because they weren't broken they just weren't designed to send people down on their own

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Cuz like i said it had to receive a signal and the element levels had to be safe enough

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Aka what happens when we kill the king titan

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And send the signal

grave linden
lyric tendon
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that is why modded maps should not be canon

grave linden
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and both val and fjord have helms deep

lyric tendon
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they are custom made maps for a reason

gusty turret
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The point is steady that free dlc maps are not canon and should not be canon

lyric tendon
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they are not meant to be part of the main story anyways

grave linden
gusty turret
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although it would be cool for lotr nerd to end up on the Arks and just causally build Helms deep

grave linden
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just that the maps themselves convey the history of the map

lyric tendon
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the modders made their maps for personal reasoning... not "i want my map to be part of the story too"

gusty turret
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Is Fortnite canon in the Ark universe? Do you think Santiago could crank 90's?

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I think if any of the characters in the lore could crank hypothetical 90's it would be Santiago

grave linden
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also dwarves on fjord

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i can't even with fortnite

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please don't give the devs new emote and skin ideas

lyric tendon
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no matter how much you want to force the Mod maps being headcanon... i doubt the mod makers are intent to agree to it or they dont even know the game's lore just like the common people

grave linden
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i'm not trying to force it to be head cannon

broken star
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I mean, there's canonically hundreds of arks

grave linden
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yeah

broken star
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They're not all Islands, Scorched Earths, and Aberrations

gusty turret
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I don't think theres hundreds

grave linden
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possibly thousands

gusty turret
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Theres like maybe a 100 with a very generous estimate

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Iirc from the cutscenes at least

grave linden
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we are talking about the actual story arks though

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which are all around the same size

gusty turret
grave linden
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because the canon arks are all uniformly the same size

lyric tendon
grave linden
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if rag existed in the lore that ark would be huge and there'd have to be an explanation as to why some where bigger

lyric tendon
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and that is why the idea having notes in rag is scrapped

grave linden
lyric tendon
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in the 6 lore maps, Gen is the closest you have to the big map.... which is more sense given its a life ship and a sim

gusty turret
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You can see the size of the arks from the massive crater in extinction, assuming that is an ark launch site at least, it would not at all be plausible to displace that much soil x thousands especially with the corruption already being decently imbedded while they were working on the projects to save humanity

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Im still thinking about this

grave linden
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val is the only free dlc map that has no weird stuff and is also the size of a normal ark it's the only plausible variable and also the entire extinction map is smaller than the island map

lyric tendon
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uuh no

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val is still weird

grave linden
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no it ain't

lyric tendon
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the caverns and puzzles have no connection to the lore

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Nek just love lord of the rings

grave linden
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and those automatically make it implausible

lyric tendon
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and val is LOTR inspired map hence free roam brood

grave linden
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in a pit it cannot get out of

lyric tendon
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if nek knows about the lore he would add that to his map but no... that is why it is not

grave linden
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why do you assume map creators don't know about the lore

lyric tendon
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did you asked them if they do tho?

grave linden
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i like to assume anyone passionate enough to mod and make maps for this game are by default aware it has lore

lyric tendon
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bare in mind the ARK's story is made by a writer... they need the modder's input/permission to include their map to their story

gusty turret
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val also doesn't have an overseer that we have any reason to believe exists so

grave linden
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val i like to imagine is what ab looked like before the tek tribe moidled tje overseer

lyric tendon
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bruh

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we made a 1 hour movie about this

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val is not ab

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and there is a literal map of Pre-Ab and it's nothing like Val

grave linden
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but it's what i like to imagine an ark like val but without the infleunces of lotr

gusty turret
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Abb looked like abb before the tek tribe nuked the overseer, the surface was literally the only part that was different and its only changed from the sun scorching the surface every day

grave linden
lyric tendon
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well like i just said, Nek likes LOTR and that is why he made Val and Fjord as a tribute to LOTR, not the ARK lore

gusty turret
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Wasn't the surface initially like a lush tropical paradise?

lyric tendon
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yes like in the words of the writer "it's like the island"

lyric tendon
grave linden
grave linden
gusty turret
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Idk i mean the writers explanation is good enough for me

lyric tendon
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only the graph of the map itself

gusty turret
brazen sparrow
grave linden
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yep tried that i have 90% of them

lyric tendon
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bruh... we just realeased a movie about pre-ab lol

grave linden
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but there's like 4 helena notes 2 rockwell 3 mei yin and a john note

gusty turret
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I was saying just like pull them up on the Ark wiki and read them thats what i did

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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I only read Helena's notes for scorched cuz thats all i could be bothered to read for scorched and that covered most of the important stuff anyways but yeah

grave linden
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skips john and raia

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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We already know hes crazy he just does some more crazy stuff

grave linden
gusty turret
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Reading Helena covers pretty much all the story progression you really need on scorched with learning about obelisks smiting people and stuff

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You could probably even skip scorched entirely and just infer what happened from the abb notes

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im not a fan of scorched if you can't tell

grave linden
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your talking to the guy whos favorite map is scorched

gusty turret
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I could never

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The most annoying boss to fight plus the most aggressive environment right off the bat plus stupid weather

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No thanks I'll take Aberration every time

grave linden
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and i hate aberration

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polar opposites

brazen sparrow
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Aberration has the best map-feel, change my mind

gusty turret
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Oh absolutely

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Especially cuz theres no flyers

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I do like taking bloodstalkers but thats a middleground

lyric tendon
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ew no flyers

grave linden
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no flyers

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just like downloads a wyv from scorched

gusty turret
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But its just so pretty and it feels like it had the most details put in it overall for the first 4 maps

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Imo at least

grave linden
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ab is not my favorite for several reasons
weird shroom patches abundance of microraptors and ravagers exactly when i don't want em nowhere to build that i like same problem on extinction earthquakes rockwells tp being in the rad zone

broken star
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There are no microraptors on Aberration

The mushroom patches are defeated with a sickle or wearing a hazard suit, or just watching for the weird pointy one and not touching that in a patch

brazen sparrow
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Yeah, I think you just played it sub-optimally there lol

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You can do a boss portal at any drop, too

broken star
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Rockwell's terminal being in the rad zone isn't even a problem

grave linden
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guess the server cluster i'm on swith an ab creature spawn with micro raptors then

broken star
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Since the high end boss creatures you're using are rad-immune anyway

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And there's plenty of base bait locations on aberration

grave linden
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honestly if i ever get a server all the itchyornis pego miroraptor and ant spawns are getting replaced by glowpets

broken star
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i mean all of those are no big deal unless you're the beachest of bobs but ok

brazen sparrow
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One behe gate, boom whole area to yourself

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So nice

broken star
brazen sparrow
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Blue zone is ok, the lighting there isn't really my thing though

broken star
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Oh, not to mention the giant structure in the lake

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That's an incredible spot too if you can claim it

brazen sparrow
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Oh yeah, easily one of the best spots

grave linden
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no ichthyornis bother me reutinely in tek armor late game pegos stealing my cryod tek rex
micro raptors knocking me off my rock golem
and ants somehow getting in my base past all my turrets and killing my baby giga

brazen sparrow
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Skill issue

gusty turret
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Oh yeah icthys and pegos can eat cryos i forgot about that...

grave linden
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i be getting ark'd

gusty turret
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casually digests magic metal

brazen sparrow
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They can't anymore

gusty turret
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Oh really?

grave linden
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pegos can steal cryos still

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happened yesterday

brazen sparrow
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Yeah, was patched forever ago

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They can steal em, but not delete them

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The icthy can't take them whatsoever

gusty turret
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Probably haven't gotten that yet cuz i play primitive plus mostly and it takes years for p+ to get updates🤩

grave linden
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lost my freaking rex because i killed it with such force it's body did the stretched out no collision or hitbox thing

brazen sparrow
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Prim+ is dead, sorry to tell ya

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No more updates are coming

gusty turret
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Noooo its still got like a couple hundred people

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Its not dead yetttt

grave linden
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you can't play fjord or lost island on prim +

broken star
# grave linden no ichthyornis bother me reutinely in tek armor late game pegos stealing my cryo...

In all my hours Ichtyornis have knocked something out of my hand maybe once, and that's including when I've specifically tried to tame them or piss them off. Them killing dodos is the biggest problem I've had with them, which was solved just by installing a turret over the dodo farm if it absolutely had to be in icthy territory

Leave something like a gps in your last hotbar and the pegos will steal that. Then you can claim it at your leisure or let them have it. Just don't put your damn valuable rex in the last hotbar slot that's stupid

Leave your mount on neutral and they'll kill the microraptor. Who are just mildly obnoxious at best. Although they don't often aggro to big mounts anyway unless you piss them off

gusty turret
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Rag is like the only one that works

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Val might but its iffy

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Drops don't work on it anymore

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You can't make half the special materials

grave linden
gusty turret
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Im sure it couldn't be that hard or time consuming to just do minor repairs to the code and fix the appeal that prim+ has but they totally could never do that

brazen sparrow
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Seeing as how Ced has told us he won't, I don't see that happening

gusty turret
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Or just merge it with regular so we get more crops structure types melee weapons and bows🤩🤩

grave linden
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prim+ characters cannot be edited in the charater creation

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the differences don't stick

broken star
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I mean, it's still a mod just like, one officially in the game I think? The main person programming it wandered off there's not a lot to be done about it

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It's not an official wildcard-made game mode or anything

gusty turret
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One of my main issues with ark is it has basically 0 weapon diversity

broken star
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???

There's. There's loads of weapons

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what are you smoking

grave linden
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ark 2 gonna fix that

gusty turret
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Loads is a strong word and theres no diversity in said weapons

broken star
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Even just guns you've got pistol, shotgun, assault rifle, sniper rifle, tek rifle... Grenade launcher, minigun...

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Rocket launcher...

grave linden
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which have little to no actual difference

brazen sparrow
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Lol

broken star
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Yes, there is no difference between a close-range pellet shooting weapon and a sniper rifle

grave linden
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press button dmg

brazen sparrow
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Idk, your takes so far are a little iffy

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AND you like prim+

grave linden
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i do

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i like yurts

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i liked prim+ pvp when it still worked

gusty turret
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No weapons except the bow have any more than 2 different types and most don't even have that

broken star
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There is no difference between a weapon with a limited magazine size and one that you have to manage a heat system

There is no difference between single shots of intense AOE damage and a large magazine with loads of rounds to needle targets with

brazen sparrow
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Apparently, lol

gusty turret
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But theres no v a r i e t y

broken star
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I absolutely performed equally exactly as well with a sniper rifle in the rockwell fight as I did with a shotgun

gusty turret
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Theres like 4 whole weapons that anyone ever uses

grave linden
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what he's getting at is yes there are different weapons but there are not multiple sniper rifles that are different

brazen sparrow
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I could say the same for Prim+, everything is a bow lmao

broken star
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And swapping out the sniper rifle for said shotgun did not change a crushing defeat into a relatively easy victory with no other changes

brazen sparrow
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No variety

gusty turret
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Flamethrower, pump shotgun, fabi, and tek rifle

brazen sparrow
gusty turret
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Everything else is impractical

brazen sparrow
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It's called a meta

gusty turret
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Even in pve most other things are impractical

grave linden
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sniper rifle > tek railgun

broken star
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Options being better than other options doesn't mean that the other options don't exist?

grave linden
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slingshot > revolver > fabi pistol > tek pistol >

gusty turret
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In prim plus you two spear types, two axe types, three bow types with a lot of different kinds of arrows you can make with different benefits, a new pistol type, a new rifle type, anddd i think thats it? I may be wrongr

grave linden
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there is variety it's just seperated by like tech levels

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you get a muzzle loader and a flintlock

broken star
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Tech levels aren't always upgrades

Like, try to say with a straight face the railgun is better than a sniper rifle

gusty turret
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Like they could've made a burst assault rifle for regular, that would be cool and add more weapon variety

grave linden
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well it do be better

gusty turret
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I want a muzzle loader

gusty turret
grave linden
gusty turret
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The railgun has the unique advantage of shooting through walls

grave linden
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and sniping players out of the titan saddles

broken star
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it also has the unique advantage of being terrible and having no range but okay

This whole conversation is A) dumb B) Doesn't belong in this channel

brazen sparrow
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True and real

lyric tendon
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Bruh

broken star
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I think there's a level of abstraction

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For Rockwell in particular though, I think that technically he's no longer human to the point that eating him probably wouldn't be cannibalism

I also don't know if the plant species R you grow/harvest are technically a part of Rockwell. They're weird

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But that whole area is weird af

gusty turret
gusty turret
broken star
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HLNA herself doesn't seem to act like they're part of rockwell, at least? When she gives the record about the tentacles you've grown

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"If you can get past its tentacular looks, this mutant hybrid seems useful as a foodsource...
You can grow it from seeds, but it provides edible meat.
Another of Rockwell's genetic modification experiments, I guess."

brazen sparrow
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They aren't his tentacles, pretty obviously and easily disproven by just... looking at them

broken star
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Sounds like it's not really part of him but just a weird mutant... thing that happens to live in his guts

gusty turret
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I really think Rockwell needs to see a medical professional

broken star
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He's a whole ecosystem down there- You wouldn't really argue the mantids or whatever are part of him either. And probably not even the summoners/macrophages

gusty turret
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Like his internal organs are going through all the stages of grief at the same time

gusty turret
brazen sparrow
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TF???

rigid grove
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Let's not circumvent the filter. Thanks.

grave linden
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alright

gusty turret
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Can we start a GoFundMe to get Rockwell a doctor

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Technically hes already a doctor

broken star
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a bit late for that

gusty turret
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In more ways than one

brazen sparrow
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Can we get past this conversation already?

gusty turret
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Doctor.... Who?

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Which part the cannibal part or the part where we moved on to rockwells innards

brazen sparrow
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The whole part

rigid grove
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Safe bet to move on yes

brazen sparrow
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It serves no purpose but to talk about non-lore things in the lore channel

rigid grove
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Rockwell is lore, but this topic is getting a little out there.

grave linden
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this whole conversation started with a lore queastion

gusty turret
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It was 50/50 it was more of just the semantics of species r then anything

grave linden
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regarding rockwells tentacle plants

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they are weird

gusty turret
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But the macrophage thing is cool and i like talking about how they serve as antibodies for his guts

grave linden
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also why the giant heart

brazen sparrow
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Cardiomegaly, but to an extreme

gusty turret
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I've gotta look up what that word means

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But his heart is in his body in the ships control room he had no reason to just grow that massive heart there

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I don't get the point of the innards at all what point does that ecosystem serve?

brazen sparrow
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That is his heart, idk what you mean

gusty turret
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I mean like... I guess to "protect" the access to the control room but surely thats not canonically the way we get there

brazen sparrow
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Except it is

grave linden
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the control rooms of the arks were locked behind all kinds of stuff

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why not do it on the ship

gusty turret
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Why would they put the sole access point to the control room in some random hole in only one of the biozone thingys

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You would think there would be a good amount of ways to access the control room for like redundancy or something

grave linden
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there probably is another one but the doors are just closed in the green ring

vital acorn
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I thought i was quite well versed in the ark lore but turns out I’m wrong, so i have another question does anybody who wakes up on an Ark remember their past life? And if so how much of it? like is it all of it or only parts of it?

grave linden
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all

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and to that person they wake up after they originally died

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as if they're previous life was a dream

broken star
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HLNA tells you that it's not just meat on the walls- he's turning the metal into himself at the molecular level

vital acorn
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Thank you

bold dove
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He meant it literally when he says "the ship is me"

gusty turret
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Idk... Its just gross and weird and i don't get why if he already controls that ring why does he have to make it meat

broken star
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Because he's not satisfied with just control

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As is abundantly obvious when you hear him speak at all in Genesis 2

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He sees himself as a god

gusty turret
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Yeahhh he does kinda say that hes even beginning to feel restrained in the ship

grave linden
broken star
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He doesn't want to just rule over everything, he wants to remake everything in his own image and rule over it

grave linden
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lore wise

broken star
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The Santiago on the Genesis ship isn't the Santiago on extinction

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He predates the arks

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The one on extinction was reborn as a Survivor on aberration and went to Earth with all those people

grave linden
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THAT is what i said

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two seperate people

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i didn't say santiago from ark and santiago from genisis were the same

broken star
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I mean I'm just saying that that Santiago doesn't prove anything

Rockwell's presence alone indicates that the gen 2 story is after the main ark story because otherwise it would just be the story of how a completely normal 19th century chemist was causing problems

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Actually can we have that version of Genesis 2 that sounds funny

grave linden
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i consider them two seperate stories seperated by literal millions of lightyears

broken star
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Rockwell is still the antagonist but he's just some guy wandering around

gusty turret
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Ark just becomes a really weird episode of Dr.Who

grave linden
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imagine young rockwell looking extactly like david tenant

broken star
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Picture this version of the final battle where you're storming the ships controls with all your T-Rexes or whatever all to kill just one random Survivor

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Who maybe has a decent shotgun

brazen sparrow
gusty turret
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Oh yeah absolutely not

grave linden
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how though

brazen sparrow
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It happens directly after Extinction

broken star
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Genesis is kind of an episode 2 or a second season

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It's not completely linked with the main story but it's continuing the same themes

gusty turret
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We arrive on Genesis like a scale of days to weeks after the Arks return to Earth

vital acorn
grave linden
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and that means we followed him

brazen sparrow
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It's been explained here so many times, someone else do it 😂 , I gotta eat dindin

grave linden
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that we know he did it

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that we even care now that the earth is restored

broken star
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I'm still not convinced that Genesis Survivor is canonically the Survivor that went to Extinction just like, logistically

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I mean even if Earth is restored Rockwell is still doing horrible things on the ship and he's posed to corrupt an innocent planet

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And so he deserves to be stopped

grave linden
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like rockwell could've done that without us knowing he did it

broken star
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I mean he almost did

gusty turret
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Wait don't all the locations the ship warps to correlate to actual locations in space we've documented ?

broken star
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Except that the Survivor in the Genesis simulation woke up and managed to succeed

gusty turret
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Like based on the stars

grave linden
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i mean from our first 4 maps survivors perspective rockwell died on ab and if he didn't somehow he certainly was purged by the arks

broken star
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The extinction teaser ending, or at least the first one, showed the Aberration crashing on earth and a roar which teased rockwell was still a threat

gusty turret
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Technically don't we also know he didn't die though because of how the Arks work with constantly restoring the overseer after its beaten?

grave linden
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yes but thats meta gaming knowledge that we as players have not our characters

broken star
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I do not see how that's relevant

gusty turret
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I guess we also don't know hes the overseer of Abb as the survivor

grave linden
broken star
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You're implying that they want to the simulation specifically to hunt Rockwell

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But the fact that Rockwell is on the ship is a twist revealed in the final boss fight of Genesis 1

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Even assuming that the Genesis simulation Survivor is the same one as the One Who Tries Again, which is a big assumption, they're still just winding up on Genesis, doing all the missions and stuff the simulation wants them to do, and incidentally discovering that there is a big problem with the simulation that spirals into the big fight with the corrupted Master controller

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And then you wake up and Rockwell is not happy with you

grave linden
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it's confirmed in the ending that the character we were playing as is in a pod on the ship which has been traveling through the stars from earth for 4000 years

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two clones of one guy or girl

gusty turret
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I personally believe the Genesis 2 chronicles are canon and when we find the notes its more of like a dream from the person in the pod remembering the Arks and its Rockwell talking in our heads like how with the gold miner guy HLNA and Rockwell both talk to him

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Thats absolutely an out there thought and has no proof to support it its just a headcanon

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But to me it gives a direction with us knowing Rockwell exists during the simulation and yeah

grave linden
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i just don't believe it's the same survivor

gusty turret
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That parts up to interpretation so its really just up to whoever it is putting together the story

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Are the cutscenes we just got canon? Like do we as the survivor experience Helena talking to us or is that more just for guidance to the player

grave linden
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our survivor see's those

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although i think of them like a dream type of thing

brazen sparrow
# grave linden it's confirmed in the ending that the character we were playing as is in a pod o...

False. As previously stated, it is a new body for the same consciousness that is The One Who Tries Again, aka THE Survivor. We know this from the Genesis reveal stream/trailer where we are being put through the upload at Arat Prime, although it was left a little intentionally vague so as to be interpreted as a separate survivor, should you wish to suspend your disbelief/roleplay in that way, and so that it could be explained in either direction the new writer chose, should they even do so.

brazen sparrow
gusty turret
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Technically we're just going off an assumption that the survivor has found and read every single note

broken star
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That has no bearing on whether the story actually happened

brazen sparrow
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Which, canonically, they do

broken star
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Also my main thing with not thinking that the Genesis Survivor is the same as the one who tries again is just that nobody acts like you're a seasoned Survivor that killed Godzilla

gusty turret
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Who even is there to act like that

brazen sparrow
broken star
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Aside from the weird canonicity of the Genesis Chronicles, Rockwell never really acts like you two have a history

gusty turret
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Rockwell and a little robot?

broken star
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HLNA talks about the arks as if they're something that happened in the last rather than something you went through, explaining events when they come up like they happened to someone else. Rockwell straight up barely recognizes you

gusty turret
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Its entirely possible if we're in a different body he either doesn't recognize us or he may just not remember most of his time as overseer of Aberration

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Hang on i need to go check his voice lines in his fight now cuz I haven't actually checked those out to see how aware of himself he is meant to be

broken star
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The new rockwell is very coherent from what I've heard

brazen sparrow
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He's pretty aware of our accomplishments by the time we get to Gen 2, and he's figured out who we are

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Also the Gen Chronicles

broken star
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No longer the rampaging monster he was initially portrayed as

brazen sparrow
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Which are canon

gusty turret
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I feel like hes aware of us he just doesn't really remember us from beating him on Aberration

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Just listening to his gen 2 voice lines

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He could also just be talking about observing us in the simulation It's hard to tell

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Im leaning more towards him knowing us

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"i have to admit, im actually glad you've made it this far, someone from the old world really should be here to witness the dawning of my new age"
"And you brought your star pupil along with you, this is the one you went with? After all those tests and game of pretend, your survivor? Well im afraid neither of you is going to survive this"

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Took me a while to type those out

brazen sparrow
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Since hearing the new voicelines in Aberration, I believe it's mostly him viewing us as lesser beings and just refusing to acknowledge our accomplishments, if anything

gusty turret
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I guess it's still equally likely he's talking about someone he genuinely doesn't know

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Why would they leave such an important detail as a plot hole up to interpretation

brazen sparrow
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Like I said, it is left up to interpretation a bit 😅

gusty turret
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I wish there was an answer i would be fine with like any other detail being a plot hole except this

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Plot hole is an extreme word but like

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I just want one definitive way to look at it

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I dont get the point of the little scene of Helena creating HLNA and beaming the person into the simulation if it isn't the survivor

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And also the whole detail about how Helena wants to stay on Earth and do what she can to help

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Oh yeah and listening to the voice lines i realized Rockwell literally tells us the time gap between him getting on the ship and us arriving

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Unless he was just being metaphorical and using it as a reference

glad dirge
#

whats the lore reason behind the blue corruption thing on the bellies of certain dinos?

gusty turret
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So the purple corruption is bad but the blue corruption is like animals who evolved with the element and it causes them to be immune to being corrupted iirc

brazen sparrow
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It's good corruption, as in it evolved them to do strange things in tandem with element, as opposed to being taken over by the element

gusty turret
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The line is Rockwell_World_Banter_Rockwell_Sanctum_B_01_En

brazen sparrow
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Not quite, but you're close there

gusty turret
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H o w c l o s e

brazen sparrow
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||He's speaking about the sixth day of him working on his weird corrupted humans||

gusty turret
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Couldn't he also be talking about his work overall? Just with the meat slaves as the face of it? Like we know we can't be far behind him and the others who were there at all

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I refuse to place it at any more than like 2 weeks, seeing as how he hadn't already corrupted the entire ship and shut down all the subsystems he didn't need entirely

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But then theres also that gap between him arriving on the ship and him actually killing off the crew when the girl and the gold miner are together

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Cuz they find the crew impaled on those spike things

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In that time Rockwell creates noglins shadowmanes all of the R variants and the experimental giga

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Technically he doesn't finish the experimental giga but he does deploy it against us so its finished enough

gusty turret
brazen sparrow
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It's kinda hard to explain, but it has roots in the bible, the whole divine work thing ||and how it relates to a god (Rockwell) creating man (the corrupted survivors)||

gusty turret
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Yeah i understand the biblical reference and it tying into his godhood but i just wanna figure out something for the time frame

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Is it safe to assume Rockwell hasn't created the corrupted survivors yet since he noglins Gabriel?

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Or maybe he just hadn't perfected them yet

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Anyways another headcanon of mine is that the 4 nodes rockwell has protecting him is in some way related to the 4 guardians he disabled in the simulation

mental basin
#

What???

lyric tendon
#

wat

arctic bison
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what the hell did i just read

bronze turtle
arctic bison
grave linden
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hyenadon > ravager
microraptor > rockdrake
titanoboa > basilisk
naked mole rat > rollrat
jerboa > nameless/reapers

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also wth rockwell only thinks he's a god he's not he's just an abomination against nature and evolution

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a malignant tumor on the universe

faint obsidian
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What is that supposed to mean?

grave linden
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and cancer that desires nothing more than to spread and remake the universe in it's grotesque image

mental basin
#

ARK Survival

frail dragon
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and nameless/reaper is giga

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ravager is direwolf

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featherlight is phoenix

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it's all in explorer notes

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exept for featherlight which is phoenix because they share animations, have a v--shaped crest on their head, have 1-clawed wings and produce light

bold dove
#

Reapers aren't mutated from anything.
They're their own original creature the ARK's created.

lyric tendon
#

When the original writer said "it's made by the ARK" then that is a definite proof the origin of the nameless

bold dove
lyric tendon
#

Tbh it's a disappointment but hey, gonna cope

bold dove
lyric tendon
#

This is pretty much I hate outside sources when comes to lore

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Unless it's an ARG

honest nebula
#

How did the people on extinction die and what happens to Mei Diana I think kuma was one too

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I know Santiago died in a mech and Helena became homo deus but what about the others

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🔫

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I will water gun you if I don’t get this explained

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😡

supple trellis
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lol

honest nebula
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Maybe

supple trellis
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lol im looking it up rn

honest nebula
#

Your gonna have to find out

supple trellis
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yea im curiius now

honest nebula
#

So you want be water gunned

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They can’t arrest me I have Saul goodman as my lawyer

supple trellis
#

Before Diana woke up on the Aberrant or Canyon ARK, Diana read a vague article about human cloning without using a mother for gestation. She had a memory of also accessing a highly classified URE file about the Terran Federation hacker named Santiago Camacho. She had a memory of also accessing a highly classified URE file about the Terran Federation hacker named Santiago Camacho. She died at the futuristic battle of the Thailand Gulf with Kazuma. When she woke up on the ARK, she keeps everyone's morale up to keep going to get back home.

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hers the background

honest nebula
supple trellis
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"I should call her by her proper name too, but Diana sounds too serious for a woman that laughs so much. Juzi fits her better. She doesn't mind it, but I don't think she knows I've named her after an orange."
~Mei Yin

Although Diana tends to tease someone or helps explain Tek technology to survivors in the past, Diana is another kind survivor who wants to resort to using words before people use violence. Diana is a bit self centered for all the bad talk she says to Santiago, but it is understandable for the whole tribe to release all their tension because the tribe is divided between URE and Terran Federation so they can push on with escaping without ill feelings towards each other. She is competitive with other survivors in her tribe when it comes to count. All she wants is to be the best but she isn't willing to be the leader.

She acts like a leader who takes responsibility and initiative but doesn't want to lead. However, she is close with for Mei-Yin. She helps two parties compromise on their actions when she persuades the tribe to put the Gateway Project on hold to do on an obelisk check on Helena's concern about the ARK being capable to level a city.

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hers the persinality

honest nebula
#

I don’t care about that k need to know what happens to her kuzama and Mei on extinction

supple trellis
#

i dont know any of arks lore so yea lol im just copying and pasteing

honest nebula
#

Ok

grave linden
# grave linden hyenadon > ravager microraptor > rockdrake titanoboa > basilisk naked mole rat >...

regardless of ants stuff which i have heard a hundred times before because people tend to refuse that element can mutate a tiny animal into a huge monstrouscity of course these are just very likely regarding several simularities between the creatures
also i actually go in game and compared they're bodies to figure out what was mutated into what at first i considered deinons as rock drakes but deinons are non canon considering however what element tends to do it is considerably likely rockdrakes are instead microraptor the nameless themselves are definitely mutated jerboa that have a symbiotic relationship with reapers whatever they were but since they have the same number of fingers and toes and very similar limb structures they are likely two varieties of mutation of the jerboa and yes it's possible that rockwell made the reapers from jerboas as a spite to helena who was fond of them also ravagers are so far removed from the bone structure of the direwolf that doesn't work hyenadons are more likely also nowhere does it mention velos being mutated dilos
but it does mention fromhelena herself that manas are mutated wyverns

supple trellis
#

After she and Diana forced the King Titan into a retreat with a bloody X, they both bury the dead Tek tribe survivors. They later travel to a location known as Arat Prime to beam Helena into the Genesis Simulation. What happened to her and Diana after that is unknown

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is this what you want

honest nebula
#

So her and Mei are on the genisis sim and kuzama died

supple trellis
#

yes

honest nebula
#

So they could be on ark 3

supple trellis
#

from what ive read breifly

honest nebula
#

2*

supple trellis
#

yes

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but ima keep looking

honest nebula
#

Ok thx I will buy your product now Walter

supple trellis
honest nebula
#

French drug baguette

supple trellis
#

you want any more stuff answerd while im here

honest nebula
supple trellis
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ill look

honest nebula
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She die by Rockwell she just disappeared after Gabriel died

grave linden
honest nebula
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I didn’t not read all that for it to be fake

supple trellis
grave linden
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from what i know helena was already a homodeus by the time she brought diana back

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she wouldn't have to have someone else upload her

rain dock
honest nebula
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What is going on

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What happens to Mei and Diana you will be water gunned

rain dock
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Mei and Diana were not on the genesis ship or simulation

honest nebula
#

Ok I know that

grave linden
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they died on earth

rain dock
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They went to arat prime and that is as far as the story goes.

honest nebula
#

Jfnzjsjs

supple trellis
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im on ark fandom and it says different

rain dock
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There is nothing about what happened to them after

honest nebula
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I hate cliff hangars

supple trellis
#

fr

honest nebula
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I’m heavily upset

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There story better be explained in ark 2

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likely there are possibly clones of them on the ship who have never met nor know each other

rain dock
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Could be.

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The ship had the same engramatic matrix as the arks i believe

honest nebula
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It could be that a few come back. The only confirmed one is santiago

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nerva would be a nightmare

honest nebula
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somehow leading the savage natives

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There could be a war with the arat aliens and he could be like a general in that

rain dock
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Kuzama is dead right

grave linden
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nerva is super dead

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No not Nerva kuzama

rain dock
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True, but so was diana

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his clone was in rockwells ring

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Nerva is one fire

rain dock
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I forget who kuzama is

honest nebula
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nerva is a genocidal warlord

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Nerva and Rockwell when he is a angry boi would make a terrifying duo

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Maybe not actually

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One is strategic the other more Barbric

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For those of us who read the ARK storyline with the past survivors like Helena, we may have developed a liking to the protaganists.

But then I realized, we shouldn't grow attached to them at all, because in the Extinction Explorer Notes, they will die.

Think about it, everything we see on the maps thus far are sort of an aftermath of what the previous survivors in the explorer notes have done. But in order for us to have a DLC that is at all exciting to play, the survivors in the explorer notes can't succeed. If they did, then the aftermath we would witness would be a earth where the corruption has been destroyed. But the aftermath we are going to witness, is Helena, Meiyin, and the others, failing. The Corruption will defeat them.

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rockwell respected nerva they'd have likely worked together for years thereafter

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if the overseer didn't decimate the new legion

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I mean, rockwell was many things, but I wouldnt say barbaric fit the bill

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rockwells actions are barbaric he however was very strategic

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Actually i think they are just long gone. I thought for a long time we came like a few hundred years after them, now i'm more on a 10k to 1m years scale in my mind :p so yeah they are dead expect likely one but not as a human anymore.

Succeeding or not is yet another point, i mean this "She Who Waits" is likely to be Helena. But i also espect something bad happened to MeiLin before Helena "godevolved"; just in a classic narratic point of view it makes sense :p

But it could also be MeiLin without that being shocking. She already lost someone she cared about and is the type of people who will fulfill any duty if necessary.

So the pain left to the one who survived and ascended being in some way a motivation for (likely) her to "make" us so sacrificies were not in vain. if "she" still think that way, but i guess so, even mathematically speaking. It's quiet clear in latest notes "she" doesn't want everything to end, that it would just be a waste and that fixing is her priority.

In a way i would be disappointed to just find out they froze themselves for 50k+ years waiting for us because..."no more bullets lel" or "the dungeon search option took forever" or something like this x)

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She who waits is helena

honest nebula
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Ya know the one who belongs in a mental asylum

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Who is obessed with a shiny metal he named edmunium

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Helena and Mei surely won't die, of course not.
They can't succeed, but they'll find some way to ride it out, right?
What if they uploaded themselves permanently and are now in control of certain aspects of Extinction, trying their best to help us win, but still not dead.
There are ways for them to not succeed at stopping corruption and still surviving.

honest nebula
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That’s homo deus Helena

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Correct

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he couldn't talk to us in his mutated form but his tactical mind was so far from gone if not multitudes greater than before he pulls us to ab gets us to fight him pretends to die then sends us to the surface to kill his only compition for control over the corruptions hive mind

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✅

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He can talk there’s voice line fights

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ON aberration

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There are voice lines there now

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Where he knows about the king titian and asks you to hold still so he can hit you

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Each of the ARKs are powered and monitored by a member of Home Deus, the state Helena ascended to before she became She Who Waits. For every ARK there is a Homo Deus. For She Who Waits, there is the Earth. She has made alterations to the battleground to give you an advantage over the Element and it's King. The MegaMEK she has altered so that only one pilot is needed to control it. She Who Waits is the youngest, the last, and the most powerful of them all. She is the only one who can interact with the System or humanity. Yet, eventually, even gods die. The Homo Deus' very strength, their ascension and ability to see everything, is ultimately what causes their minds to crumble and fade.

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i haven't done that fight

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but what i said is still true sans the can't talk part

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Element is a tricky thing. In small quantities it is an exceptional resource that can push humanity beyond what it thinks it is capable of doing, but there is a thin line and once it is crossed, Element becomes like a plague, corrupting mind and body just as it did with Earth and Rockwell. Element is unlike any other element, not because it came from beyond Earth, but in that it is alive. It, like She Who Waits, can not function on its own, but acts through it's proxies. And just as anyone's greatest strength is also their greatest weakness, so this applies to the Element's proxies. They, unlike anything else, were born of the violet fire and contain a part of it's will and conscience. Defeating them would wound the Element. Using their hearts or minds, you can then call the King to your battleground and defeat him -- and in such -- defeat the Element.

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Resurrection is what reunited Diana and Mei-Yin, but it was a happy accident from a thrashing of desperation. She Who Waits did not know how she performed the resurrection and it took her a very, very long time to perfect it. Resurrections take energy however, and energy, even Elemental energy, is finite. All of the ARKs energy will be dedicated to cleansing the planet when they land, and the survivor's immortality will be taken from them.

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I feel like you are just copy pasting the Fandom website

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i dont know any lore so yea

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im just finding it

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Ultimately, the future of Earth and humanity lies to you, One Who Tries Again. Find the Titans, defeat them or turn them to your cause, travel to the Heart of the Barren Garden and summon the King. Once you defeat him, call down the ARKs from their safe positions in orbit. Then the Element will lose, then the heart of the Earth will thaw from stone, beating again, turning, allowing for a new sunrise, one She Who Waits only hopes she can see.

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excuse me

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What did I say

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?

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There memories Re before they died

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But they can fill in gaps with new fake ones we don’t know how much of there memories are fake or real

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i just did the whole entire story of extiction you guys good now did i complete your lives on extiction i dont think you could want more right?

honest nebula
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Yay

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i'ma just head out this whole convo is nonsense

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it's entirely off topic

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Before facing Rockwell, Nida studied on the entire engineering plan for ring separation to pass the time and with a little push from Gabriel on charging into the Corrupted Ring, she must have been the person to program the ring separation sequence. However, Nida writes down in her earlier explorer notes that she wanted to hide in a secret location in the ship as a way to live a life for herself and that she can never picture herself risking the ring upon separation.

In the face of Edmund Rockwell, Nida was the first Colony Ship crew member to defy him and survive. She fled with the help of Gabriel’s dagger. After that, her fate is unknown but HLN-A noted a woman “survived almost long” enough to sequence the ring separation that is rather messy, indicating she is dead. She must have been the one to program the ring sequence during her time in hiding. Though considering how smart each Colony Ship crew member was and how they knew their way around the ship, Nida could have faked her death and went into hiding. Faking her death can make HLN-A and Rockwell think that the entire crew is dead. HLN-A noted in Genesis 2 Chronicles Genesis: Part 1 Notes that new connections of various people are appearing in the Genesis Simulation.

Overall, her fate is unknown after she fled from Rockwell.

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In the lore after Santiago dies they make him again and fill in memories from that point and the point he died then died again and again

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i think it just repeats theve done all of this before they just remember it there just now being smart and making notes for when they come back

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this is all it just end no more on gen 2 or 1

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Nida is absolutely dead

honest nebula
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Most likely

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yep

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But with the new people appearing in the genisis sim she could of went in but she is 100% dead

gusty turret
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I would read everything thats been said but there's too much of everything to read so

honest nebula
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The lore in that game is a mess

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bro i go to image's and get a bunch of russin air force crap lmao

honest nebula
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Same with ark tbh from what I know

honest nebula
gusty turret
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Nah Ark isn't a mess it just has a few plot holes

grave linden
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you have no clue of the ark lore

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cosmic corgi

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Between the time he fell unconscious and when he woke up in Rockwell's throne room, his subconscious personality, Ixion, resurfaced and began to mix with Gabriel's personality and mind. The result is a person who had both traits of Gabriel and Ixion. Rockwell demanded that he begin mining the entire ship for Element, which he refused. He and Nida fought against Rockwell until a Noglin began to control him. He threw out his dagger to give Nida a chance to escape, which she did. His fate is unknown, but he is presumably killed since a player can get killed when a Noglin detaches themselves from their host.

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HERS is gabrials fate

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I know most of the island and sorched a bit of gentwo and a tiny bit of ab but none of extinction and barley of gen one

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In the 22nd century, two superpowers had mastered Element-based technology (referred to as Tek) - the United Republic of Earth (URE) and the Terran Federation (Feds). For reasons that are still unclear, the two factions were inevitably drawn into a war that ultimately consumed them both. HLN-A described both nations strangely having identical cultures and ideologies and their conflict as two dogs fighting over the last scrap of meat on a carcass (maybe element). What they were fighting over is unknown but Santiago suspects the usual culprits for starting a war: politicians. According to Genesis Santiago, one of the causes, if not the main cause of the Element War was that the Terran Federation was putting heavy restrictions to discourage their citizens from putting on neurological modifications and interfacing with the unknown. From a report that was read by Nida, a Colony Ship dirt scientist, Earth at the time has become polluted and resources are dwindling. The same report says the Terran Federation wanted to use a new energy source (Element) for a grand engineering of Earth to repair and hack it while the United Republics wanted to use the same energy source as their rival to manipulate the human body and survive by becoming more than human. Santiago's death ended the Element War, implying that the United Republics of Earth won, but at a great cost. From Santiago's notes, the Element War lasted 16 to 17 years with tensions escalating two years before the start of the war.

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By the end of the Element War, Element grew to critical masses at alarming rates. The entire planet Earth collapsed as Element spread across the planet by first digging roots deep into its crust, enabling it to create Titans to ravage everything in sight. On top of that, natural disasters ravaged the environment and killed a majority of the inhabitants. In the aftermath, both the URE and Terran Federation collapse, and very few landmarks and monuments remained intact, with most traces of the old world consumed by rapidly-growing veins of Element. Notable surviving landmark is the city of Sanctuary, the Proto-ARKs of Extinction, and Arat Prime, according to Nida, is the location of a high light speed link between Earth and the Colony Ship. Most notably, Earth's rotation has stopped for some reason, causing certain locations on Earth to have constant day, constant night, and a twilight zone. This is summarized in Helena's abstract dream in her Extinction explorer note #25 about a purple figure (Element) ripping a red molten heart (Earth's core) from another stone figure. When the heart stopped beating, shadows (Titans) rose from the purple figure and began to destroy everything.

The ARK in-lore story begins about millions, or even billions of years after The Collapse, when the ARKs begin to malfunction. Explorer notes indicate that the ARKs have remained in orbit far longer than 646 years.

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🤣

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It takes probably less time to read them unless you're a slow reader

honest nebula
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he is

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hey i got a pc im going to use my pc

honest nebula
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Stems community is not that trustworthy

supple trellis
grave linden
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i think you've had a few too many edible bageuts

honest nebula
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I know the Gabriel nida but is mostly true but no idea about extinction

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wanna know about arat prime?

honest nebula
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Launch site for Genesis ship

honest nebula
gusty turret
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Boom big explanation

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Arat Prime is a mysterious location on the far side of Earth from Sanctuary City, somehow related to both the ARKs and the Genesis Simulation. In modern times, Turkey's Mount Ararat is associated with the story of Noah's Ark in the book of Genesis. In Christian tradition, the mountain is considered the final resting place for the Ark.[10] The conspicuously similar name of Arat Prime may be a hint as to the facility's purpose. Messages scattered across the games imply that Arat Prime may be the mountain's inverse - a launching platform, not a landing site. To date, most information concerning Arat Prime comes from encrypted messages scattered across Sanctuary, readable by those wearing a Tek Helmet.

honest nebula
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I know it has some magical fancy connection where people can me beamed to the genesis ship

grave linden
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arat prime really isn't a big deal

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there is alot so be ready to read

honest nebula
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I know

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ill just skip to the end

grave linden
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it's a lauch site with a tp to the ship

honest nebula
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Ok

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According to Diana Altaras, Arat Prime was being referenced by the bunker she and Mei Yin found to show information how Element can command the Corrupted horde with troop movements, and any artificial entity made by Element can spread it anywhere they go.

With Earth currently not rotating, the area around Sanctuary had constant exposure to the sun, giving an impression of constant day. Since the location of Arat prime is on the far side of Earth, it would experience the opposite: constant night. Remarkably, at the final cutscene of Extinction, we see that the broken aberration ARK crash landed on a dark part of earth, giving us a hint that maybe Rockwell made his way to Arat Prime.

According to HLN-A, Diana and Mei Yin made it to Arat Prime, where they sent Helena inside the Genesis simulation to make HLN-A.[11]

Arat Prime when translated into Latin is called "Primus Aratra". Primus means "first" and Aratra means "plow". Put together, Arat Prime means "The First Plow". Based on what its name means, the technology on Arat Prime will play a pivotal role with all of the ARK's Reseed Protocols where Arat Prime acts as the plowing tool to make the ground ripe for growth, and the ARKs act as seeds that plant themselves into the ground.

According to Nida, Arat Prime is a location that has a superlight speed bridge via Genesis Simulation to connect the Colony Ship with Earth.

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because ext is in austraila

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Where is sanctuary wheee on the globe is it

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yoooo heres are 2 crap

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After beating Rockwell in Genesis part 2, the whole ship aside from the Eden ring, crashes down on a gas giant/deserted looking planet. The Eden ring however, begins to launch pods with survivors including Santiago down to a neighboring planet. According to Santiago, this is, "Just the easy part".

ARK ll will be setting place on a alien planet, part of a solar system far away from earth in the galaxy. It will act as a direct sequel to Genesis: Part 2, lore wise. Very little is known about what is going to happen, and what new lore ARK ll will have in store for us. We know that it will be featuring a “presumably” clone of Santiago da Costa.

It will also feature some “orc/goblin” looking creatures, that may be native aliens to the planet, or maybe the result of survivors corrupted by Rockwell.

Notably, there is a possibility the survivor from ARK 1 meets Santiago in Ark II, due to the fact that in the Ark II trailer, there is a drawing of HLN-A on a wall, hinting that the survivor most likely made it down to the planet, and being pretty much the only one knowing about HLN-A (and the obelisks from the ARKs, which is also drawn). We can also suspect that the survivor is still alive since the Eden ring launched survivors right after the ship crash, and Santiago is still alive too, which means the crash and the survivor launching must have happened right before Ark II. This is a very exciting part, and is most likely a probability, because Santiago is probably going to discover what happened to the ship and the arks (on a scenaristic view, he has to), and the survivor is probably the only one able to explain it to him.

gusty turret
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grave linden
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My actual theory about where extinction takes place is somewhere in Asia due to the banners that display text running up and down instead of sideways

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China

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Or Russia

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Has to be a advanced big country so maybe India or Japan

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it'd be funny if the ark helena was on was the auzzy one

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also

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helenas wife def was somewhere on the ark

gusty turret
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An ark at least

grave linden
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somewhere on some ark

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Yeah she was also on the ship

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There's also another Mei and Nerva and Diana on the ship

grave linden
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yeah

gusty turret
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And John and Raia

grave linden
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yeah

rain dock
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There isn't necessarily clones of any of them on the ship lol

grave linden
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corgi didn't even acknowledge john and raia

gusty turret
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And possibly another Rockwell

grave linden
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rockwell but not influeced by elemet

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so sane

gusty turret
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Theres no reason there couldn't be another version of them on the ship

rain dock
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The engramatic matrix yes. But that's not a clone of them

gusty turret
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Unless they were on the ring we kinda...

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We really just kinda made like/trillions of people that were on that ring take one for the team didn't we...

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Anyways wildcard would be stupid not to bring Mei back in Ark 2 everyone loves her

grave linden
honest nebula
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gusty turret
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Isn't Raia the old lady that is the reason Helena knows to get the tek tribe to go recheck the obelisk and saves the entire gateway project?

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Rockwell was taking over the databases

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gusty turret
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Raia definitely might be a little bit important

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Yes I agree with that

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they are integral to the story of scorched the religion of many and the legends of the lands

rain dock
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Technically it's true, but it's not accurate

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john is a badass that man said if i'm gonna die i'm going out firing my revolver at wyverns

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So I do want them back in ark 3

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2*

rain dock
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Honestly I don't really want any of them back in ark2 lol

gusty turret
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I want Mei and Diana

honest nebula
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I want Nerva back

grave linden
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whoa whoa hold on ther cowboy they gotta make 2 first

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And John

gusty turret
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I just want the space lesbians to be happy and survive

grave linden
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and i want a version of rockwell thats not CRAZY MAD INSANE

rain dock
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If they are going to make more enemies of humans, it would be better to expand the cast rather than reintroduce the same individuals

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He had came back to many times

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They should of brought a different one back

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They probably brought him back as an excuse to use vin

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They wanna play with there new toy

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I mean of all of the characters in ark1 the only one that actually makes sense to come back is Santiago, because he was the only one fundamentally involved in the original extinction war, as well as making the genesis ship. The others weren't involved and got along on mostly happenstance

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honest nebula
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Ark 2 has nothing to do with that it’s more primitive

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Personally, I would leave dead the very person that invented the technology that killed the world.

rain dock
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Thats good logic to me, but you know... ark lol

bold dove
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Fair.

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We need this man in ark 2 Bob

bold dove
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I do hope Bob will be a preset we can select in ARK-2.

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If he was in extinction he could solo the titanic king

bold dove
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rain dock
bold dove
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Are we talking about Bob?

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Bob yes

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So, here's the thing with Bob

honest nebula
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He was in the explore notes

bold dove
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Bob isn't the survivor (at least that we know)
But the survivor 'is' Bob.

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?

bold dove
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bold dove
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Which means Bob defeated the King-Titan, if you defeat him.

honest nebula
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But he needs to be a separate character in ark 2

bold dove
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I don't personally think so.

rain dock
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Bob was floating alone in space last we saw

bold dove
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Bob is referred to as the default character in ARK-1.
That would mean our survivor would have a canon storyline, and a established character, instead of them being 'us'

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Is the animated serious cannon?

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No

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It's semi-canon

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Yeah, its fine for a tv show, because fp tv shows are dumb. But ingame bob shouldnt be a character

bold dove
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Cause game canon, it could've also been Bobette that killed the King-Titan

honest nebula
bold dove
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Also, Animated-Series Bob looks exactly like the default survivor.

bold dove
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Nor is it canon.

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Exactly

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But bob in ark 2 as non player

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Should be a thing

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Like Santiago or that other person as a box

bold dove
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But that would mean the Bob in ARK-2 either has to be a seperate clone, or a established version of the ARK-1 protagonist.

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Npc if there in the game

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I think they should put me in the game tbh

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rain dock
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I dont like the idea of a bob npc lol

honest nebula
bold dove
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I hate it also

rain dock
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Thats like having a master chief npc in a halo game

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It doesnt fit

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Fair enough

bold dove
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If they want Bob back, then he can be a male preset when you're creating your new character.

honest nebula
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It should be a preset name like it used to be

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I will unironically be depressed if they don't have the ARK-1 default survivor as a option to be in ARK-2.

bold dove
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Oooorrrr, one night an ingame day we see a blinking satellite that is the exomek with bob just circling the planet

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Ark 2 survivor should be the gentwo one

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Which if it is could mean he has a tech suit if so it should not be functional

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And never should be

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Nah, we need tek in a later DLC

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Hmm no tek kinda ruined ark

bold dove
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Tek-superiority.

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They better put a normal jetpack in if they don't put a Tek one in

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Whole lot of misinformation in here today, huh?

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In the latter dlcs like genisis it was too easy to get

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Which is ironic, since people complained it was 'too hard to get'

honest nebula
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Then the fans complain about everything

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I am one of said people. But I also never wanted tek to be removed.
I just wanted it to be revamped.

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Same

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Mid-game counters for a end-game tier.

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I think Santiago should die

bold dove
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They almost nailed it with the Dinopithicus.
If it wasn't for the fucking factor that its shit only disables tek-suits, and not everything else.

bold dove
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But in a end credits scene hen just gonna appear and say respawned again

bold dove
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This is his 4th time at life.

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Bro has had 4 chances and still died

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Every time in his middle age

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He is like 35 to 50 right

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I know Diana and Mei were

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Apparently I have been told by a lot of people

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She always has been

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Ok then it’s fine

brazen sparrow
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It's really not as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be

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I don't remember it being in the notes but i remember it being established for quite some time she was so

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They're just stupid lmao

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Idc either way tho i love the representation