lore-nerdz

[quaint marsh]

Interesting. They are my favourite tribe from the notes, since they interact with every author at some point, before getting destroyed by Nerva. When looking at the Island's tribes I assume they were one of the strongest, since they had such a strong foothold in the Southern Islets and a fortress on Herbivore Island. Didn't put them above the law though, which there was one in the Southern Islets, probably created by them and the other tribes in the area. There were other strong and well built tribes aswell I would imagine, but the only other one really mentioned is the Howling Wolves. All other tribes in the notes only have a few lines said about them before falling victim to Nerva or something like that.

Got a little off topic there, sorry

[solemn linden]

Yeah. So far it seems like we're just getting more info on the other Island tribes and getting to actually see some of the people within those tribes. It'll be interesting to see what they do with it. It'd be cool if they give enough time for us to get emotionally attached to some of those tribes before Nerva wipes them out.

[quaint marsh]

Yeah, that would be great! The series has great potential, let's see how they handle it

[glad crow]

So animated channel became Bob, and lore nerdz becomes animated channel.

[bold dove]

Lore-Nerdz is just cursed-general

[solemn linden]

To be fair, we were discussing the animated series in relation to lore

[lyric tendon]

we are allowed to critique here compared to the ARK Anime chat that become the Bob praising chat

[buoyant flame]

damn this game got a lore... Interesting Expected...

[torn osprey]

personal opinion/theory: rock drakes are evolved wyverns

they couldnt live on the surface (except fire wyverns) because all the food had been removed, so they followed the prey into the caves but couldnt fly

slowly lost their wings and gained feathers- but kept their ancestral nesting habits of having carved out nests into stone walls

+they might have lost their elemental breath due to rock drakes eating nameless venom

[bronze turtle]

Rockdrakes look like element-exposed deinonychus though lol. Sadly enough the deinonychus is not canon

Also what did actually all crash on the alien planet of ark II? only the pods we see in Gen2 beginning trailer or also just complete arks?

[true skiff]

Give me the lore of the deathworms

[bronze turtle]

They are the protectors of you leaving the boundaries, right?

[true skiff]

I meant the ones in the desert

[bronze turtle]

I know lol

[torn osprey]

centipede

[true skiff]

starting the think the lore here is just memes

[torn osprey]

its a baby DUNE worm

...tbh i think its an evolution within centipedes it does have limbs

[tired osprey]

Case #27809 @thorny epoch has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[true skiff]

ok no more

I don't want the lore anymore

[arctic bison]

here comes the lore bible from Quantum

[solemn linden]

The deathworms exist as a barrier to prevent you from reaching the edge of the map, specifically because each ARK is a space station and the horizon is a hologram, so to prevent the illusion from being shattered, the giant genetically engineered worms eat you before you get there.

[true skiff]

No more.

[solemn linden]

Damn, the lore bible shorter than I remember

[arctic bison]

i was expecting 10 times more tbf

[solemn linden]

lmao yeah, I just took a little long to type that cause it's late at night for me and I kept phrasing things in ways that would be hard to understand

[solemn linden]

The only real similarities between wyverns and drakes is that they are both large, scaly and nest in trenches. Drakes have actual arms instead of wings and are feathered + are somehow able to go invisible, whereas wyverns have big bat wings, no feathers and have elemental breath. I'd argue that the managarmrs are closer related to wyverns since aside from some additional mammalian traits like live-birth and fur (which can be easily explained by the fact that the wyverns were genetically engineered and are probably a mix of many different species), the manas are very similar to wyverns, as both have elemental breath, bat like wings (just a little more vestigial) and scales.

[torn osprey]

what if-

i was- okie now i gotta read this huh

[torn osprey]

is this from the wiki or ur thoughts

[solemn linden]

Just my thoughts. Seems like the wyverns have more similarities with the managarmrs than the drakes though

[torn osprey]

i dont think the creatures are engineered by the arks

i think they naturally breed and whatnot its just not a feature or mechanism ark has

imma come back to read your paragraph in 3mins lmao

[solemn linden]

Pretty sure wyverns aren't a naturally occurring species

[torn osprey]

u were typing for a while-

no wyverns arnt natural but neither are phoenix

or golems

[solemn linden]

I typed a lot more and then cut it cause there was a far more obvious point in far fewer words

[torn osprey]

or giant worms

[solemn linden]

All the mythical creatures in ARK were genetically engineered

It's like how all the dinosaurs are clones

[torn osprey]

(scorched earth was a under developed map tho...)

[torn osprey]

where does it say that

[solemn linden]

I'll find you some of the explorer notes that demonstrate this

[torn osprey]

i believe all the creatures were made on earth

and transported to the arks

[solemn linden]

Helena note #17 (Aberration): "As we made our way deeper into the station, we passed through a massive chamber. It was so vast that I couldn't see the bottom of it from the bridge we were on. Yet it was packed full. From wall to wall, it was filled with specimen tubes, each containing creatures, fetuses or eggs.

I knew from the holograms that I'd seen on the Island's control center that each station created it's own creatures, but I'd never seen where the process actually occurred! There were specimens for every creature that lived on the station - from dinosaurs to huge, alien looking monsters. I would have loved to get more data from the room's consoles, but..."

Santiago note #19 (Genesis Part 2): "I stopped to touch a newly-cloned mammoth calf, and it wrapped its trunk around my wrist.

Wasn't expecting to feel a connection to some lab animal, but it felt like neither of us wanted to let go.

Two lost souls dragged back from oblivion, holding onto each other in orbit..."

@torn osprey

They're clones lmao

[torn osprey]

i thought the consoles were monitoring stations

but... ig it makes sence to why theres more carnivores then herbivores but a working ecosystem

[solemn linden]

Yup, the ARKs just constantly clone new ones to keep the balance in check

[torn osprey]

...my entire perspective of ark has changed.

[glad oak]

yep the only reason the arks can sustain as they are is due to cloning

[solemn linden]

So yeah, the wyverns are genetically engineered and therefore are likely made up of DNA from heaps of different species. Judging by the specifically bat-like wings and the fact they produce milk, there might be some mammal DNA in there, which then would explain why the managarmrs (which might be descended from wyverns) would have fur and give live-birth.

[torn osprey]

no-no-no dont bring the mana's into this please

i still have my theory to their origin and its not cloning

[solemn linden]

The rock drakes on the other hand have so many anatomical differences when compared to wyverns that they might just be genetically engineered separately to the wyverns and only be related in that they are both genetically engineered dragons.

[torn osprey]

but the ark was orginally a normal island ark'

so the computer learns?

[solemn linden]

If you mean the manas, even if their ancestors were a engineered species like the wyverns, the manas have evolved over time on Earth

[torn osprey]

mana's were never genetically messed with

thats my theory.

all the dinosaurs when they touched tek they got corrupted and the tek neaver fused well with them

(i dont even know the theory of why the earth is destroyed)

[solemn linden]

The ARKs seem to have an archive of DNA for possible species they could clone and they have been shown to start cloning new species under different circumstances. For example, the Scorched Earth overseer produced wyverns as a punishment for the people living on that ARK.

[torn osprey]

huh survival of thr fittest

[solemn linden]

lmao

The overseer just decided it didn't like humans anymore and made some dragons

[torn osprey]

nah-

[glad oak]

"know what frick you, take these fire bats"

[torn osprey]

the cities are made of tek...

[solemn linden]

I was talking about what happened on Scorched Earth lmao

[torn osprey]

oh lol

the whole point of the arks is to get the strongest human tho-

[solemn linden]

It was kind of this thing where the people on Scorched Earth had gotten powerful enough that there were no more challenges for them on that particular ARK, but they didn't want to move to the next ARK so they just built a city and got all comfortable instead, so the overseer split open a trench in the middle of their city and started making wyverns to encourage them to leave.

[torn osprey]

makes sence

[quaint marsh]

Basically, the Overseer was saying "Get tf out prosperous humans!"

[brazen sparrow]

Actually, they are. They appear in the Survive The Ark mission on Gen 2, which means they're in the database of recorded creatures, as are the crystal wyverns, griffins, tropeognathus, ice wyvern, and even zombie dodos and dodorex. The creatures that don't appear there from community maps (i.e., the Lost Island and Fjordur creatures, and now the carcharodontosaurus) came out post-Gen 2, otherwise they may have been canon as well (and may still be, if Wildcard says so)

[bronze turtle]

Huh. Well thats a surprise

[lyric tendon]

bare in mind Nida is canonically a modder so she may possibly add those in the database as well aside from the Zombie dodos and the Dodorex

[solemn fulcrum]

Does anyone know the original use of the Artifact of the Flamekeeper, or if even had one?

[rough kite]

Are the bosses lore accurate? Like if ark was real would they still be bosses the same as in the game? Furthermore why would Rockwell make himself a boss? What were the bosses before he destroyed the ark?

[sudden olive]

Guys I have 2 questions about lore. 1.What is Homo-Deus? 2.Who create dinos ,sci fi creatures and mythics creatures in Arks and Colony Ship, Humans or Homo-Deus?

[rough kite]

Homo deus is a Status, its one a person can gain by accession.

[arctic bison]

second, overseers, as they're just nerds that can make anything they want

[rough kite]

People created the dinos to add to the challenge made for humans to prepare them for the world.

Colony ship was made by people who believed the earth was beyond repair and left to find a new home that is before rockwell took control of the ship.

The earth was fixed by you in extinction when the element was slowly contained and the arks crashed to earth to replant everything and bring dinos and people to earth

[sudden olive]

I know that but my friend told me Homo-deus is Alien who help Humans create Arks

[rough kite]

Its kinda like 2 different storylines

[rough kite]

Well idk man going off a lore video I watched a year ago

Lemme search it ill be back

Uh both ig

Kinda a controversial topic on the internet

Basically homo deus means man god

So your like a man but also a god

Its hinted that humans went extinct and theres only homo deus left but

Its not for sure

Another point is dinosaurs are also extinct and here they are, so perhaps just like the dinos were clones of the real thing

[lyric tendon]

basically we are just a back up in case the corruption wiped the remaining people on earth

hence the people from different era

[rough kite]

Homo deus is what you become once you ascend from extinction, your implant disappears I think.

You become the man who saved the earth, so you become a god

Just a guess

[lyric tendon]

no they are really purposely made to challenge you

they are not really scientific accurate as the overseers thinks it's a good idea to use Jurassic Park as their inspiration

[rough kite]

Yeah but they are also clones

[lyric tendon]

that is gameplay, and in the ending, you will see you dont become like helena... just that your implant is gone

in lore there is 1 way to become a true homodeus, is a crystal that Helena picked up and the tek bed in the forest titan cave

[rough kite]

Im saying the game says humans are extinct. So maybe you are a “human” but a clone

[sudden olive]

Survivor=clone of real person who live in earth?

[lyric tendon]

yep

[rough kite]

Weird I’ve never heard that before. I thought she died kinda like santiago but something special happened?

[rough kite]

Fake person with fake memories

[sudden olive]

Homo deus=person who kill a boss?

[lyric tendon]

she is not technically dead but she is truely transformed into homodeus

[rough kite]

Person who won the ark challenge

Who restored earth

You don’t become homo deus simply by ascending or killing a boss, you must win.

Watch the ending for extinction

It might give you idea

[sudden olive]

I see the end of excition but I still dont know how Homo deus live after create Arks

Before*

Sry for my eng

In ark wiki I wond information about homo deus help people create arks

[lyric tendon]

dont trust the ARK wiki as it is filled with outdated info

[sudden olive]

But in Official lore Helena turn itno homo deus without killing a boss

[lyric tendon]

some say the transhumans is the pre-homodeus as they use element to augment themselves

[lyric tendon]

yes, she just found a gem and insert it in her implant then lay on a tek bed in the forest titan cave

that is directly from her note

[sudden olive]

Finally Humans create Arks, take dino D-na and clone them, but mythical creatures how they was created?

Mythical creatures: Feniks, basilisk

[arctic bison]

Overseers create every creature on the arks

[lyric tendon]

overseer made them to keep the people in the ARKs on their toes

[sudden olive]

Overseer was created by humans right?

[arctic bison]

better than that ''rockwell made the nameless and reaper'' theory

[lyric tendon]

makes me wonna download ARK Park and see if there is anything that shows how they made their dinos

[fallow sapphire]

Is it really worth it though?

[lyric tendon]

eeh i dont have VR

i already bought and played ATLAS just to be a fair comparison with ARK 2

[bronze turtle]

everything on Ab was probably made by the actual Overseer

other than Nameless

[lyric tendon]

no, the nameless is still made by the overseer and they exist before rockwell plays around with element

[fallow sapphire]

Idk if Atlas is a good comparison

[bronze turtle]

they're element humans it says that in the description of map

[lyric tendon]

ATLAS has everything that the ARK 2 description describes

from "far more advanced combat" than ARK 2, traversal, parkour and such

hell ATLAS grappling hooks are more fun than ARK 1's

[fallow sapphire]

I guess thats fair

[lyric tendon]

i am streaming it rn lmao

[sudden olive]

Ok, Overssers clone dinos and humans and create hybrids: reapers, karkinos... but who create the frist overrsers?

[lyric tendon]

the Tek era people

[fallow sapphire]

Dang it gotta dip, otherwise i would definitely watch

[bronze turtle]

Overseers are closely related to Homo Deus they magical

I think

[lyric tendon]

no they are not magical

[bronze turtle]

word

[lyric tendon]

but they used homodeus as an "AI" for the Overseer

[brazen sparrow]

It really isn't

[brazen sparrow]

Close, overseers are Homo Deus

[brazen sparrow]

Also this is false, look again. It never states they are humans

[sudden olive]

But Rocwell was no homo deus and they be Overseer of AB

[brazen sparrow]

The Aberration Ark is broken, and it placed him as the overseer only because he was the closest thing to a Homo Deus that it could find

[sudden olive]

Manticora was created by Tek era people and Ark system give manticora homo deus AI?

[bronze turtle]

I stg it does

[brazen sparrow]

Scorched is a rough one, it's hard to know for sure

[lyric tendon]

if you gonna compare it to ARK 1, it is gonna be league ahead plus ATLAS is a slight improvement to ARK at that time

[lyric tendon]

all the bosses are made by the overseer as they are use as the "key" to the final test

[bronze turtle]

it calls them "Element infused humanoids" so yeah they're not human

ur right my bad

[sudden olive]

Overrser is Ark system created by Tek Era People and have a Homo deus AI,

[bronze turtle]

I used to think humanoid meant human that's probably where I got that from

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, you've said that

[brazen sparrow]

All good, that's where the misconception comes from, I understand

[sudden olive]

But how they get overrseer homo deus AI before ascension (ascension=kill a boss)

[brazen sparrow]

Like Helena did, using pre-Ark tek to ascend with the use of element. You should probably read the Extinction and Genesis 1&2 notes to help you understand a bit more how "ascension" to Homo Deus works 😅

[bitter crater]

please feel to update it 🙂

[lyric tendon]

i nominate @solemn linden to do it

[arctic bison]

small bible texts

[brazen sparrow]

The old wiki is what Mazzy meant, the new wiki is fine and should be held as pretty much gospel, at Wildcard's behest

[thin pecan]

Gimme the lore on morellatops

Because I found nothing

[bold dove]

The dossier.

They're genetically created dinosaur/camels.

They have the ability to help store water for Survivors that tame them.
Besides that, there's nothing else.

[silk whale]

Are the servers down?I've not been able to get into mine for hours now

[thin pecan]

That's it? I thought thered be in depth stuff about all the weirdo creatures

Well thank you tho

[bold dove]

Nah, the story more focuses on the general plot of things then minor details like that.

[brazen sparrow]

#bobs-with-probs

[torn osprey]

scorched earth was more of a "wow cool creatures" more then alot of lore

[lyric tendon]

no..... SE is when Rockwell starts going insane for element

[fallow sapphire]

Scorched is set up for ab

Cause you also have Helena learning about the obelisks going ham on people for doing bad things

[bitter crater]

tbf the lore stuff could use a general review and a maintainer, but based on experience this is always going to be a very heated topic no matter what.

[umbral yoke]

Wasnt the obelisks targeting the people who progressed too far?

[bold dove]

That's The-Island.
Scorched is when we finally see how far he'll go for it

[bold dove]

Yes, but that was the Overseer

[high fable]

Stupid question again
In rockwells prime boss areana there is a second smaller body like figure with like praying matice claw

Is that like one of rockwells vessels he can posses or somthing else

Idk what its even called

[solemn linden]

Those are called Rockwell Nodes and much like all the other fleshy stuff in that arena, they are an extension of Rockwell's body, which he can control. HLN-A even refers to one of them as a "meat puppet" at one point.

[quaint marsh]

Wild and dark theory, it could be Gabriel or possibly Nida. Maybe both of them.

[brazen sparrow]

The only thing stopping that theory dead in it's tracks are the number of puppets (4? I think?) and the fact that they look like Rockwell just with mantis blades for arms

[solemn linden]

Pretty sure there was a picture of one of them in one of Gabriel's notes, which would imply that at least some of them existed before Gabriel and Nida even encountered Rockwell. Therefore, if that theory were correct, it would mean that they weren't the first to suffer that particular fate.

[quaint marsh]

I mean, I wouldn't put it past Rockwell to do something like that. He did kill most of, if not all of the crew aswell, and those that weren't completely mangled he could have made into his servants using element or some other means that he possessed. Just a wild theory though

[obtuse haven]

the dodo's made giga extinct in abberation

[rough kite]

Edumandiom is element right?

I was reading the explorer notes

[bold dove]

Yes

[bitter ledge]

nerds

[arctic bison]

📚

[torn osprey]

i had a theory for a while, i think its dead now.

most of Ark's dino's look inaccurate to real life dinosaurs. for instance allosaurs being covered in keratinous armour and tyrannosaurus having scutes along its back in places as well as parasaurolophus having spikes here and there along its limbs and crest. are these adaptations from the real life dinosaur because of game lore like: all the dinosaurs have evolved with there time being on Ark. or is it just how the Ark's designed them

[bold dove]

Close.

The dinosaurs on the ARK's, from what the notes suggest, aren't true dinosaurs

[bold dove]

They seem to be genetically created animals that resemble dinosaurs.
For example, the raptors in ARK are "Utah-Raptor Prime" and the Rexes are actually "Tyrannosaurus dominum" and aren't Rexes. But they just look so much like the Jurassic-Park version of Rexes that people called them that on the ARKs.

[solemn linden]

I used to think that they had probably evolved a bit during their time on the ARKs, but considering the dinos all look almost entirely the same, aside from skin patterns, on every map, regardless of what biome they would be adapting to, it seems more likely that the ARKs just design them that way.

[broken star]

Ark's dinosaurs are A) genetically engineered (Designed in the simulation and then made for real on the arks/proto-arks) and B) have had time to adapt to the arks

They didn't start out 100% normal dinosaurs, and then evolution happened to further adapt them to the new situations they're living in

[solemn linden]

Interestingly the raptors in ARK 2 look somewhat more accurate than the ones in ARK 1, so maybe now that they are not within an artificial ecosystem they are beginning to evolve naturally and traits that had been suppressed in their ARK 1 counterparts are now starting to show in the population.

[broken star]

You can kind of see adaptations to different terrains in genesis, where dinosaurs in the different biomes have different color palettes, even ignoring the obvious of the x-dinosaurs, and of course all of the aberrant critters adapting to a life underground based on charge

[bold dove]

Or they're getting a non-canon redesign.

[broken star]

It looks like there's been a lot of time between Ark 1 and Ark 2

Plenty of time for Raptors to re-evolve feathers especially given how quickly Ark animals reproduce

[bold dove]

Sure, but not thousands of years worth

[broken star]

The base breeding times are more or less canon

[solemn linden]

Yeah, but the adaptions are all restricted to skin patterns and not all maps have variants. A raptor on the Island is identical to a raptor from Scorched Earth, despite the obvious differences between a tropical island environment and a desert. Genesis is a simulation as well so I think those variants (especially the volcanic ones) would have just been made that way.

[bold dove]

There where also no canon explanation on TLC's.
So I kind of doubt they'll explain the redesign.

[solemn linden]

The TLCs don't drastically change the look of the creature, just improve the quality of the model. The change in appearance between ARK 1 and 2 is much more drastic.

[bold dove]

Nah, it doesn't take a in-game week for a Megalodon to mature.

[bold dove]

The raptor TLC adding more feathers is a bit dramatic.
Same with the Giganthopithicus

We'll see. But I'm not expecting a explanation.

[brazen sparrow]

Well I am, damnit! Where's my explanation!?

/j

[solemn linden]

Me neither, but at least the population evolving naturally now that there isn't as much human intervention would be a good head-canon explanation. If taming is drastically different in ARK 2 we could even theorize that the original genetically engineered specimens on the ARKs were designed to be easier to domesticate, whereas the wild population on Arat is beginning to evolve past that.

[bold dove]

True

[broken star]

A lot of Ark 1 is taking place in custom-made enviroments to test survivors, and ark 2 is just straight up on a different alien world. Unless there's a big twist that it, too, is actually a homo deus creation, we're probably going to see how all of that training and testing works without the obelisks supporting humanity/the dinosaurs

[merry cipher]

good evening lore-nerdz channel

well . morning for me as it's
4 am
whoops!

[fallow sapphire]

Don’t see you here often

[torn osprey]

sure the dinosaurs on the Ark's may not have been true dinosaurs but thet somewhat resembled them at the beginning of their evolutionary stand, and the Ark's must've been sharing data across to eachother as to which dinosaur form is superior and they cloned that form to every Ark

[merry cipher]

i got burnt out on ARK for a few months but i'm back

Scorched ascension grabbed me by the heels and dragged me into The Pit

[fallow sapphire]

Likewise

[torn osprey]

what if the pit in the scorched earth is where baby deathworms are . 3 .

[fallow sapphire]

I mean… ab don’t have deathworms

[torn osprey]

because deathworms cant sig through rock

[umbral yoke]

Man i dont even want to imagine

[bold dove]

Sad that they removed corrupted deathworms from Extinction

[fallow sapphire]

Really is

[torn osprey]

there was corrupted worms?

[bold dove]

Yep

[fallow sapphire]

Yep, used to see em in osds

[bold dove]

They used to explore near the edge.

[torn osprey]

damn

too op?

they got rid of em for gameplay complaints or bugy

[fallow sapphire]

I think it was mainly because of bugs

[torn osprey]

yeah

i have a theory upon the corruption but i bet im wrong

because element and stuff rains from the sky, the dinosaurs who got hit with the rain where corrupted as the element attempted to fuse to the organic creature. however managarmr (fox) had some sort of connection to it and it bonded correctly

possibly via from drinking water from an element pool- same as snow owls

[jovial warren]

aren't corrupted creatures just dinos summoned by the king titan

[torn osprey]

no they roam the world freely

[jovial warren]

They have the same spawn in animation as the titans

[fallow sapphire]

Nah just creatures that were infected with element

[torn osprey]

the corrupted king just has some control over the corruption

[bold dove]

When has element came from rain?

[fallow sapphire]

Rains from the sky?

[torn osprey]

the meteor showers on extinction

[bold dove]

If you mean "it came from they sky"
They meant from space

[bold dove]

That's not their origins

[fallow sapphire]

And no not exactly, he isnt the literal king, just the strongest power so element tries to keep it alive

[bold dove]

Those meteors just exist "cause they're cool"

[jovial warren]

the extinction creatures are made by the proto arks

[torn osprey]

because the tek when used releases evaporative gases and they combine with rain clouds polluting the world with tek

i read that in an explorer note somewhere

[jovial warren]

Also considering the king titan pulls meteors during his fight we can make a good assumption that the king titan could be pulling down the meteors

[fallow sapphire]

Can you find the note? I can’t remember anything about rain clouds at all

[bold dove]

They never stated that.

[torn osprey]

it had a holographic screen?

[bold dove]

You're misremembering stuff.

[jovial warren]

I'm pretty sure the earth being polluted was from a war and the titans

[torn osprey]

i'll play extinction again and read all the explorer notes

[bold dove]

Element came from a single meteor from space.
Element is able to self-replicate, and so it was able to spread from that initial source.

[torn osprey]

but the cities are made of tek

[jovial warren]

yeah

[bold dove]

Yep.

And?

[torn osprey]

so people lived with tek

[jovial warren]

Ok?

[bold dove]

Yep.
Humans made tek.

[torn osprey]

and then it corrupted creatures right

[jovial warren]

No

[bold dove]

No

[torn osprey]

then whats the corruption

[jovial warren]

element

[bold dove]

Tek is element in a metal casing.
Tek itself can't corrupt

[jovial warren]

Also

Isn't the element used in tek more like

Refined

[bold dove]

Specifically, vaporized element that has turned into spores.

When you turn on a tek-gen.
The blue shit you see in the air, 'are' spore particles.

[torn osprey]

oh

[jovial warren]

Oh

[fallow sapphire]

Pollution at its finest

[jovial warren]

I thought the corrupted creatures were manifestations of element like the titans are
Since they have the spawn in animation

[bold dove]

Everytime you use a tek-based item "ANY"
I releases a bit of spores into the air.
Small amounts is fine, hints why survivors can use it.
But it literally caused a planet-sized WW3 war that lasted for 100-200 years straight.

[torn osprey]

the corruption is element

so how do u discribe managarmr and snow owls

[bold dove]

Nope.
They're literally zombies

[jovial warren]

They were made by the proto arks

[torn osprey]

using element?

[bold dove]

Don't know why they don't in-game. But normal animals can get infected and get corrupted in-canon

[bold dove]

Hang on, slightly incorrect

Let me explain.

Element and Corruption are the same, but evolve stuff differently.

[fallow sapphire]

Wouldve been such a cool system if tamed and wild creatures could get corrupted

[torn osprey]

cuz that would devestate kids who want a normal rex only for it to turn on them

[bold dove]

GOOD!

[torn osprey]

lmao

[bold dove]

Traumatize them!

[jovial warren]

Yeah that would be cool

[torn osprey]

horizon zero dawn lore incoming lmao

[bold dove]

Extinction creatures where normal Earth creatures.
But 'element' (not corruption) helped adapt them to this new dead world, while using their bodies it seems like as a reproducing chamber.
They're not purely made from the Proto-ARKS

[torn osprey]

Exactly!

[bold dove]

The ARK's just help their population stay stable.

[torn osprey]

managarmr are element foxes

[bold dove]

Basically.

[torn osprey]

and snowowls are element owls

[bold dove]

And Snow-Owls are mutated owls

[torn osprey]

gacha's are... we dont talk about them...

[bold dove]

Gasbags are Tartigrades

[jovial warren]

Like
Have a "corruption meter" on dinos that raise up the more they are in the wasteland
Be able to like
Cleanse them or something to reset it
Have tek dinos immune to it to make tek dinos more useful (yes I know tek dinos can be corrupted but they rarer)

[fallow sapphire]

And then you have velos

[bold dove]

Sloths.

[fallow sapphire]

Exactly!

[jovial warren]

But it should be a very long meter

[bold dove]

Nah, have tek creatures still be affected. But at a much slower rate.

[torn osprey]

velo's seem like element dilophosaurs

[jovial warren]

Cause it would be really annoying

[bold dove]

It'd make tek-creatures more useful on Extinction.

[fallow sapphire]

Aye

[bold dove]

Or thorny-devils

[jovial warren]

Thorny dragons look no where near velonas

[fallow sapphire]

And then it would make using the element adapted dinos (manas, velos, etc.) even more useful out there

[bold dove]

Nor do Gasbags to Tartigrades

[torn osprey]

theres nothing about australia apart from helena being from aus

i dont see why a thorny devil would be in extinction

[jovial warren]

Most of the element dinos look like their unelemented counterparts

[bold dove]

You're questioning this while we have no fucking idea where Extinction is even located

[jovial warren]

Owls are obv owls

Manas are foxes/wolves

[torn osprey]

san Francisco

get it cause santiago...

[jovial warren]

🗿

[torn osprey]

idk american locations :-:

[bold dove]

Ah, you see though.
Wildcard are inconsistent, and shows that Extinction is somewhere in Europe in Aberrations ending. xD

[torn osprey]

well wtf lmao

[bold dove]

So again.
"We have no idea"

[torn osprey]

well for a fox and owl in extinction

unless it isnt a fox

and its a weazel

[bold dove]

Could be

[torn osprey]

and the gacha's could be from zoo's

velo's are mystery creatures

[bold dove]

Oh, also Peter Fries says that Reapers and Nameless are "just friends"
So, in other words.
They had a one night stand and never talked to each other ever again.

[torn osprey]

fair enough

[bold dove]

You know what a one-night-stand means?

[torn osprey]

ik what it means

[jovial warren]

Wait
What even is the sunken forest

[bold dove]

[torn osprey]

reapers prolly repopulate through nameless

[bold dove]

Nope

Peter Fries did confirm that Humans are their host

[torn osprey]

but nameless are humans

[bold dove]

Nope

[torn osprey]

sorry wut

[bold dove]

Not confirmed.
Just a highly popular theory.

We officially don't know what the fuck the Nameless are

[torn osprey]

abberant humans

[bold dove]

Never confirmed

[torn osprey]

are u serious? nothing confirmed it

[jovial warren]

Wouldn't reapers and nameless be like a symbiotic relationship since they protect eachother

[torn osprey]

wow

[jovial warren]

(I have barely played abb)

[bold dove]

Marc (the old writer) says "they're just made from the ARK"
Peter on the other hand, left it vague for 'you' to decide.

[torn osprey]

they could be abberant peopke who got irradiated during tge kaboom

[jovial warren]

hmmm

[bold dove]

Could be, and I believe this.
But nothing official has been stated in-game

[jovial warren]

Have a question

I have a question*

[torn osprey]

[bold dove]

There's an edit button for a reason (like that)

[torn osprey]

it is kinda useful ngl

[jovial warren]

What were the purpose of nameless before the whole ark got exploded

[bold dove]

They didn't exist

[torn osprey]

hoomans

[jovial warren]

oh

[torn osprey]

zombies maybe?

[bold dove]

They came after they nuked the Overseer

[bold dove]

Nah, corrupted creatures are already that.

[torn osprey]

idk the lore of abb

is the overseer just dead

[bold dove]

It got literally nuked.

[torn osprey]

and a rockwell puppet is the boss

[bold dove]

Yes.
That's why Aberration is so fucked.

[bold dove]

That 'IS' Rockwell

[torn osprey]

oh- wait tf

[bold dove]

That's his old, heavily mutated body.

[torn osprey]

he lives the boss fight?

[bold dove]

He's stuck there.

[torn osprey]

how's he on genesis

[jovial warren]

Then what made them
Overseers control the arks and clone the dinos etc.
And the explosion was before Helena and Rockwell got there no?
Who would've been making the dinos if there was no overseer

Do the arks just start doing random things if there is no overseer?

[torn osprey]

its a seperate system

like a big backup system for the biosphere

[bold dove]

TL:DR
Man injected himself with Element and turned into that, and accidently became the overseer of the ARK.
After Extinction, Aberration landed right next to Arat-Prime and he used it to transfer his consciousness to the Genesis-ship. Leaving his old body behind.
He had to recreate a new body, hints he redesign.

[torn osprey]

it adapts to chamge

[sturdy elk]

im making a custom map with a custom dino too i have all the sound effect but a bite anyone know a good way to make a realist croc like bite (i searched everywhere on the web and youtube)

[bold dove]

Overseer doesn't make dinosaurs, they just 'oversee' everything.
The obelisks makes stuff.

[jovial warren]

So they just make sure it doesn't go out of hand?

[torn osprey]

depends on what croc

[bold dove]

Oh no, the ARK was going to blow itself up.

[torn osprey]

and fake green ob on extinction?

[bold dove]

After it detected no Overseer. It entered a self-destruct sequence.
Since Helena and gang where still on Aberration, they had to cancel this sequence.
Which has deevolved the ARK even more.

[jovial warren]

Oh

[bold dove]

In short: Aberration is a shit-show, and shouldn't exist within the ARK's-Program

[sturdy elk]

it a ancestor to the croc family called carnufex carolinensis

[quaint marsh]

Go interview a salty out back. I bet you'll get some good sound effects

[sturdy elk]

im 2 hour from fl but i dont think and crocs will want to they are very salty boys

[quaint marsh]

Aww, too bad. Well, I'm sure there are crocodile sounds available on YouTube or in documentaries.

[sturdy elk]

i try youtube and the web ill see if there 1 or 2 in some croc documentaries

[quaint marsh]

You just need a snap, right?

[sturdy elk]

more like a kapro mixed with a baryo bite i found a jaw snap but it dosnt sound like a bite so i use it for how the dinos tamed

[solemn linden]

The sunken forest is a proto-ARK that sunk into the ground for some reason. That's why it has an obelisk.

[torn osprey]

Oh

[quaint marsh]

The ground under it gave way, maybe. A sink hole of a sort

[solemn linden]

There's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary lmao

[solemn linden]

Do we know that for sure? Like didn't the tek tribe not really explore the caves until after they nuked the overseer, so for all we know the nameless could have been down there the whole time but were only discovered after everything went to hell.

[bold dove]

True, but there where other humans on the ARK.
You'd think word would spread quickly of something that wasn't a dinosaur

And was humanoid.

[solemn linden]

Maybe the tek tribe had heard about them but didn't mention it in any of their notes since random rumors they had heard weren't relevant at the time. That's the issue with having a story be told through journal entries - we don't know what info is left out.

[bold dove]

I guess.
But I still like to think they're mutated miners that got stuck down in the deepest pits of pre-Aberration that got mutated

[solemn linden]

Fair. We'll just have to wait and see if anything ever gets confirmed about them. For all we know they could show up in ARK 2 or something lmao

[torn osprey]

creature yall want in ark 2 the most?

but with presumably the same abilities as ark 1

i shoulda prolly put this in #ark-2

[solemn linden]

The creatures I want to see return the most are thylacoleos, reapers, gasbags, bulbdogs and rock drakes. Thylas are probably the most likely.

[torn osprey]

noice

[bold dove]

Nameless

I want them to be tamable this time around.

[torn osprey]

a tamable human, back to the 1800's eh?

[bold dove]

Ain't slavery if they're no longer biologically humans anymore

[torn osprey]

[lyric tendon]

I want new unique creatures, mostly alien fauna

I want to see WC full ham on the creative liberties when comes to making creatures instead of conforming to "realistic dinosaurs" that may change as paleontology progresses

I am looking at you spinosaurus

I am just waiting for you guys to finish btw

[bold dove]

Oh, cLeo. Just making sure.
But you haven't fall for the "ARK-2 is a Prequel" and "the orc guys are mutated nameless/the corrupted survivors"

[torn osprey]

....

[bold dove]

Which one.

[torn osprey]

well

[bold dove]

Which one did you fall for.

[torn osprey]

i dont think the aratai are human per say

[bold dove]

They're natives before you say

It's already been confirmed they're the natives of Arat

[torn osprey]

but why are they humanoid

[lyric tendon]

They are literally space orks

[solemn linden]

Wouldn't them appearing in ARK 2 kind of contradict the whole "nameless were human" theory that you're so fond of, since it would suggest that they were just another genetically engineered species in the colony ship's archives.

I guess it could also be element happening to induce the same mutations, maybe due to it's hivemind allowing it to perfectly replicate what it had already done?

[bold dove]

Cause they're aliens

90% of sapient aliens in media are humanoid.

[torn osprey]

suggesting there's gonna be alien creatures

apart from leaf lizard

[bold dove]

We're on a alien planet

[lyric tendon]

See the flower lizard spider things

[bold dove]

Of fucking course there's going to be aliens.

The astro-creatures are already aliens

[torn osprey]

everyone who's watched jurassic park who sees an Ark tapejara: Alien

[bold dove]

I mean legit aliens, but ight

[torn osprey]

lmao

[lyric tendon]

[torn osprey]

no space lazers tho

[bold dove]

'Yet'

[torn osprey]

just spears

[bold dove]

For now

Future DLC's are another story.

[torn osprey]

pulls out an ak47

WHAT IF

[lyric tendon]

It is confirmed that they are gonna ease the Tek for a bit instead of TEK NOW back in The Island

[torn osprey]

now hear me out

[bold dove]

They also said 'mostly' primitive.
Which means we'll see something like swords and such.

[torn osprey]

the dlc's arnt other maps

but add-on's to 1 extremely big map

[bold dove]

Nah, I think it's the same

[torn osprey]

i mean it is 1 planet after all

[bold dove]

The Island has only Obelisks and implants on day-one with tek

[bold dove]

Nah, hang on.

We're actually on a moon.

[lyric tendon]

Same with industrial they gonna treat it as a final tier almost like prim + but with guns

Of course they gonna slow down the tier progression

[torn osprey]

sorry wut

[bold dove]

So, future DLC's can be set on the main celestial planet.
Where the Genesis-Ship 'ACTUALLY' crashed

[torn osprey]

well the implants are deactivated right

[torn osprey]

OKAY noe you've fed my brain

[bold dove]

When you see the ship explode, that's a different planet.
Then you're exo-mek turns a 180 degree once it explodes, to Arat.

[lyric tendon]

No

See ARK 2 trailer

[torn osprey]

all the creatures on the genesis 2 ship will be where the ship crashed

possible rockwell problem

[bold dove]

Also, the Ship wasn't heading towards Arat in the final Genesis-2 fight.
It actually passes it if you notice.
It was heading to the main BIG planet

[bold dove]

All 'Eden' ring.

[lyric tendon]

May depends if WC keep some of them after they made a lot of creatures prior

[bold dove]

Rockwell's ring got exploded also

[torn osprey]

i hope shadowmanes lived

[quaint marsh]

no. don't

[bold dove]

They're a Rockwell creation, so I doubt it.

[lyric tendon]

Unless they made a better Shadowmane

[bold dove]

They'd be hunted to extinction if they did.

[torn osprey]

i really wanna see an inproved A.I shadowmane that hunts

[solemn linden]

I think they meant the creatures on the corrupted ring, since it is the one that actually crashed where the main ship did. The Eden ring detached from the ship.

[torn osprey]

as well as nests for nearly every creature

[bold dove]

Right.
But it exploded with the ship.

[torn osprey]

ya know breeding grounds and stuff

[solemn linden]

True. Not sure what they were trying to suggest lmao

[lyric tendon]

Like I just said

I rather WC make new and actually well balanced creatures instead of recycling old ones

It makes ARK 2 more different than ARK 1 roster wise

[bold dove]

Nothing would've survived that dude.
That was a fucking artifical STAR exploding

[torn osprey]

reapers:

[bold dove]

Rockwell isn't just dead.
But they're fucking nothing but atoms now

[bold dove]

They're dead.

[torn osprey]

some mfing piranha

[bold dove]

They where only on the corrupted ring

[lyric tendon]

Very dead

All the Rockwell Garden stuff

Dead

[torn osprey]

microraptors:

ants:

[bold dove]

About that

There's ants in the ARK-2 trailer

[lyric tendon]

There are ants

Just normal sized

[solemn linden]

While my 5 minute old baby reaper was strong enough to survive that alpha ferox that wandered into my base due to my friend doing a hunt mission, I doubt it could survive an explosion of that size.

[bold dove]

Right.
But ants are from Earth, none the less

[torn osprey]

a n t s

[bold dove]

I'll fucking ants in your pants if you don't delete that wall of text.

[torn osprey]

[bold dove]

[torn osprey]

[bold dove]

HLN-A is about to fucking kill some fuckers

[torn osprey]

[bold dove]

Now, hear me out

[torn osprey]

🏃

[solemn linden]

Finally. There was a distinct lack of murder around here.

[bold dove]

Why didn't we ever bother to modify HLN-A's little floating nub to be able to shoot a gun?

Or super-glue a sword to it

[torn osprey]

or just be able to hack the tek stryders or anything tek

[bold dove]

Tek doesn't work like that

You can't hack a tek-wall

[torn osprey]

it should

i was playing Ark not horizon

[bold dove]

[torn osprey]

[bold dove]

[solemn linden]

To be fair there was some dialogue that implied that she is a hologram even outside of the simulation and I don't remember ever seeing an object actually interact with her, so maybe we can't attach a gun to her since it would just fall through her.

[torn osprey]

speaking of hologram

[bold dove]

This doesn't make fucking sense though

[torn osprey]

what does the hologram on valguero abberation zone say

[bold dove]

If she's a hologram.
Why do we care if she dies?
She's just a hologram and can't be physically harmed.

Which is why I call bullshit on that.
Cause we see a holographic HLN-A at the end.

[torn osprey]

dies to a raptor
HLN-A: git gud survivor

[bold dove]

I fucking love that line

She also makes fun of you making a sandwich if you're AFK

[torn osprey]

lmao

[bold dove]

She also asks if you could grab her something to eat since you're so willing to do nothing

[torn osprey]

[solemn linden]

Probably because her consciousness was in the colony ship's systems so when it went boom boom she died. HLN-A mentions that the hologram that appears in the exo-mek after the ship blows up is just a recorded message.

[bold dove]

She's a sassy bi-tch and I love it. (sorry for loopholing the censorbot admins, but this isn't towards anyone. So fair-game)

[torn osprey]

my freind: hay do you know where all my resources went?

the 34 c4's shoved up my ass':

[bold dove]

But the thing is.
'Why would she be blue now, if she was a hologram before'

And it seems like holograms need projetors in this universe also.
Where's her projector while following you around?

[solemn linden]

I dunno, could be due to it being projected by the exo-mek instead of the colony ship?

[solemn linden]

Honestly no idea, which is why it's kind of weird that she mentions being a hologram in dialogue from outside of the simulation. It's most likely just an inconsistency.

[bold dove]

Which is why I call 'bullshit'

[solemn linden]

Still, it's the only excuse we have for why we never modify her to be more useful.

[bold dove]

She's my friendly 'physical' robot companion

[bold dove]

Or we forgor

Or, since it is a copy of Helena.
She'd be a shitty shot and get us killed.

[solemn linden]

Clearly HLN-A is a pacifist and wouldn't hurt a meganeura

[bold dove]

Until you're afk, and she threatens to you.

[solemn linden]

HLN-A is a pacifist until she gets sick of waiting for you, then the threats begin... at least she wouldn't go through with them... I think...

[bold dove]

[solemn linden]

[bold dove]

Survivor: "Hey, what you got there?"
HLN-A: "A KNIFE!!"
Survivor: "NO!!"

[solemn linden]

lmao

Clearly with how much inspiration Gen 2 in particular took from Halo, HLN-A will do a Cortana and become a villain in ARK 2 lmao

[bold dove]

My headcanon has always been "the survivor treats HLN-A like their own daughter, since Helena just fucking drops them off at them feet without warning"

[bold dove]

Then blow up Arat
Then feel bad at the last second.

Pickle HLN-A

She angy

[solemn linden]

"Put that thing back where it came from, or so help me!"

[bold dove]

You know, I'm a bit pissed now they've killed her off.
Cause two maps seems too little for that little ball of joy to die off.

[bold dove]

"HLN-A, stop fucking with Bob and help me with my car"

[solemn linden]

At least HLN-A hints that there is a possibility of her return with the whole "And who knows? Maybe two lost souls can still meet again somewhere, out among the stars."

She also uses the term "deactivation" instead of "death" when talking about her own demise, so while that may just be robot terminology, maybe she just means that she is temporarily shut down for the time being.

[bold dove]

She's also very hesitant saying it, and slouches her arms down when saying "deactivation"
Pretty clear she means 'dead'

[solemn linden]

Fair enough. There goes what little hope we had left lmao

[jovial warren]

That's what they were based on💀

[torn osprey]

just big and element infused

[solemn linden]

The word managarmr translates as moon wolf, sure. But physically they don't really have many similarities to wolves. The face is somewhat canine, but I've seen plenty of people think they are cats so it's just generic mammalian features. They also have vestigial-looking wings (which implies whatever they evolved from had larger wings), iridescent scales (suggesting they aren't fully mammalian) and elemental breath. My theory is that they evolved from wyverns, since wyverns A. Have big bat wings B. have scales and C. have elemental breath. The additional mammalian traits seen in manas can be explained by one simple fact: The wyverns in ARK are genetically engineered and as such are likely made from a combination of DNA from different species. The only creature with wings even remotely similar to that seen in the wyverns and manas is a bat, which suggests bat DNA was incorporated into the wyvern genome. This mammal DNA would explain why wyverns produce milk and would mean that something descended from wyverns would likely have additional mammalian traits.

What's more likely, the scaley, winged creature with elemental breath gained fur and the ability to give live birth, or a wolf got more than 4 times bigger, grew scales and wings + gained the ability to breath ice?

I know there's a lot of inaccuracies in the dossiers, but there is a pretty obvious reason why Helena thinks the manas and wyverns are related.

[brazen sparrow]

We don't know this, they and the reapers could've been there before, just in the caves the whole time

[bold dove]

We already discussed this.
Read along and you'll see the final verdict.

[brazen sparrow]

Just saw this, sorry playing catchup @bold dove

[bold dove]

[brazen sparrow]

Humanoid is literally just in reference to stance and the state at which they live, which is to say like oxygen based life, it doesn't mean human in any other sense than that

[bold dove]

In short: It's just a shape

[torn osprey]

no i meant they have similar weapons to us

similar armour weaving styles

[bold dove]

Welcome to alien life.

[torn osprey]

they're human for an alien race

[bold dove]

Tribal armor is basic as fuck.
It's literally 'put strong stuff on me' logic.
So it ALL looks the same.

[solemn linden]

You mean their spears and clubs? Those are kind of just the most basic weapons anything could really create. One is a pointy thingy and the other is a heavy thingy.

[bold dove]

Right.
They're like the blueprint for every species ever to eventually make, to LATER on make their own versions of them.

[torn osprey]

but for an alien planet you'd think they'd have some sort of unique weapons/armour

[bold dove]

No. Why?

[tender wasp]

The problem is that the Aratai are humanoid as well, very humanoid, so it makes sense in some way they have very similar primtive armors and weapons.

Like the anatomy alone limits them to it.

And I guess the physics as well.

[bold dove]

If we take our own planet for example, and look at another Earth-like planet.
If they had sapient life, then they'd also use similar tools at first.
It's not till they're in their more Bronze-age that it'll start to look unique.

[jovial warren]

it's kinda weird tho how the only other native arat animal is the leaf lizard weve seen which looks VERY different from what's on earth
Yet the aratai are almost identical to humans

[bold dove]

It's an actual theory that exists that the human shape, of being on two legs, fingers and a thumb, etc, are the best blueprint for sapient life that can make tools.

[tender wasp]

Cause somehow fiction loves to use humanoid Aliens.

[bold dove]

Nah, cause it's possible IRL

[solemn linden]

They are anatomically humanoid, so the weapon and armour designs that are most effective for us will be most effective for them. It's why different populations of humans with no contact with each other have historically invented a lot of similar things to each other.

[jovial warren]

Wasn't that theory developed in the 1800s💀

[bold dove]

And wasn't Einstein's theories made the same time?
They still hold up though

[torn osprey]

but why does this planet have sapient life in the first place

[bold dove]

Cause Earth isn't special.

And we've discovered 20+ Earth-like planets in real life

[tender wasp]

But also fiction often uses very humanoid forms, cause it is something familiar to us and makes it easier to connect to them.
Most none humanoid Aliens are often antagonists or used more for horror.

[solemn linden]

Shoutout to the scientists back in 1897 for telling H.G Wells that The War of the Worlds isn't scientifically accurate because the smart aliens are squid-like instead of humanoid lmao. Whereas scientists now thing squid-like intelligent life is more likely than humanoid.

[torn osprey]

ik its not but its highly unlikely that a single planet has the same enviromental pressures as earth

[bold dove]

Also, sapient life isn't rare once you 'have' life.
It just needs time to grow and adapt.

[tender wasp]

But the 20 Earth like planets differ in some things like gravity which alone would create different life cause of that.

[torn osprey]

especially with the planet being a moon thing

[bold dove]

Ironic.

[bold dove]

No shit.
That wouldn't 'not' make a humanoid species though.

[tender wasp]

So Rockwell was right after all XD

[jovial warren]

Sapient life on other planets would look nothing like us
Different environments
Different predators
Different atmospheres
Entirely different evolutionary paths

[bold dove]

It takes literally one thought of an animal deciding "hmm, I wanna stand upright for now on" to cause a chain-reaction of a humanoid species.

[bold dove]

And you're right.
The aratai are more reptilian then mammal.
So they're nothing like us.

[tender wasp]

But that would depend on if staying upright would even make sense in the environment.

[solemn linden]

It's probs gonna be like how in Avatar all the alien species are really creative and unique and make sense as part of that fictional ecosystem... but the Na'vi are still randomly humanoid and drastically different from every other species on that planet, entirely so that the audience can sympathize with them.

[tender wasp]

The Aratia look not very reptilian to me.. more like Orks (some kind of "perverted" humans)

[bold dove]

It doesn't on our planet.
And yet, we did it anyway.
And look at us now.
Having fucking back issues in our 40s due to gravity. Cause we evolved to be like this, but the planet wasn't meant for bipedal life.

[torn osprey]

thats not how evolution worked for us lol

we werent a lizard then bang a mammal then bang a standing human

[bold dove]

No shit.

[torn osprey]

there was millions of yrs of de-evolution for humans

[bold dove]

But it did take an ape to decide being upright was faster.

[torn osprey]

...im not even gonna argue

ape didnt do that the foking rats did!

[solemn linden]

Not really a decision, random mutations that gradually made walking upright increasingly more effective over hundreds of thousands of years.

[bold dove]

You know what I fucking meant

[solemn linden]

lmao

[tender wasp]

Also the most important thing that made us "Special" is our brain power.

[bold dove]

Yep

[torn osprey]

dolphins:

[tender wasp]

We were lucky that our brain developed the way it did.

[torn osprey]

parrots:

[bold dove]

I'm looking at their skin now, and it defiantly looks rough and scaley.
Almost like the Locust from Gears-of-War

[torn osprey]

there smart af

[tender wasp]

They are smart but compared to a human they lack the complexity we can achive with our thinking

[rain dock]

My brain didn't develop though, so that must shoot down the whole concept jaja 🤣

[bold dove]

'too' smart

[solemn linden]

smart enough to know what they are doing ;-;

[bold dove]

Aye, so you got something in common with the Aratai!

[torn osprey]

complexities hve nothing to do with it, the advantage is we have hands

[tender wasp]

My theory ist, that our brain started to degenerate some time ago and with every generation it gets worse now XD

[rain dock]

Wait, why is that?

[jovial warren]

Dolphins aren't as advanced as us because of socioeconomic factors ||/j||

[tender wasp]

If we didn't have hands, we could find other solutions with our brains.

[bold dove]

Also, I'm getting a good look at them and they don't look anything like a human other then being humanoid.

[torn osprey]

if dolphins had hands we'd be pests to the superior dolphanic race

[solemn linden]

Also with all this talk about intelligence, aren't octopus around as smart as a 2-3 year old, but most species only live for around a year? Imagine if octopus lived longer.

[tender wasp]

Nah, they would get nerved by WC

[torn osprey]

idfk what im saying now

[solemn linden]

The dolphins would commit atrocities against all living things.

[tender wasp]

They don't look exactly like us but they have the same basic anatomy.

Nose, Ears, eyes, head at the same locations we have, bodyshape very similar, etc.

[bold dove]

They have pretty scaily skin.
They have a more downward face.
Their teeth are all canines.
They're broad as fuck, and naturally jacked.
They kind of don't have a nose, and it's a bit flat.
Orange eyes.

[tender wasp]

Even the same amount like we have

[bold dove]

And?

Why would you need three hands if you live in a jungle?

[tender wasp]

That is humanoid and very close to us.

[jovial warren]

Oh yeah
Anyone else notice the aratai glitch out when it got eaten by the rex in the trailer

[bold dove]

Nope

When?

[jovial warren]

The first ark 2 trailer

[bold dove]

No shit

[solemn linden]

He a bit janky lmao

Btw did you read what I said about the manas?

[jovial warren]

He groovin

[brazen sparrow]

She puts herself in the exo mek in the Gen 2 boss fight, seems pretty physical to me 😅 (also, slow DOOOOWN guys jesus I can only catch up so fast)

[jovial warren]

Yeah

[bold dove]

I don't see it.

[bold dove]

Skill issue

[solemn linden]

It seemed like she was just hovering in front of it lmao

[tender wasp]

maybe they fixed it like the typo and the ketchup blood

[solemn linden]

You see why I don't think they're wolves?

[tender wasp]

The humanoid animations are still ass so

[jovial warren]

1:35

[solemn linden]

To be fair, Wildcard only really has experience with animating creatures

[jovial warren]

He like

Shakes violently

Like when ur playing gmod and something gets stuck in the ground

[solemn linden]

lmaooooo true

[tender wasp]

The had nearly 7 years to improve lol

[jovial warren]

After rewatching it
I don't think it's shaking
I think it's the blood effects lmao

[bold dove]

Well, yeah.
He's fucking dead. xD

[bold dove]

That is 100% blood.
It's red

[solemn linden]

7 years of animating more creatures and barely touching human animations.

[bold dove]

You looking at the IGN trailer?

[jovial warren]

Uhh

Yes

[bold dove]

That's why.

[tender wasp]

But if I am planning to make a trailer I should take in consideration working on it and not make it looks stiff and wooden.

[bold dove]

For some reason, the IGN trailer is shit.
Watch the official ARK channel version.

[tender wasp]

Or getting someone hired that is good with it.

[bold dove]

The IGN blood effects are weird and globby.
The ARK channel blood effects is more misty, for some reason.

[jovial warren]

Yeah it looks better

[bold dove]

(though it's nice that they got blood splat accurate)

[tender wasp]

Maybe they still have the old not fixed one

[bold dove]

Maybe.
It was the Game-Awards version.
So maybe they sent them that a few months before, and by the time they published it on their channel, it was a newer build.

[jovial warren]

The ign trailers blood is a lot brighter

I think

[bold dove]

Which is less realistic.
And more chonky

[solemn linden]

That first trailer was janky in general with the dinosaur animations and the lighting as well, so it seems like it may have been a bit rushed. Though the human animations specifically are still a bit janky in the second trailer.

[bold dove]

When you shoot a living thing, their blood doesn't splatter in globs.
They shoot out as a mist/rain of blood

Same rules apply to chomping

[brazen sparrow]

You might need to re-run the boss fight then, maybe use some cheats to freecam and pause time. She is definitely hooked into the top of it, and is the sole reason why that model of exo mek can shoot a giant laser beam lol

[bold dove]

She 'is' the beam

[solemn linden]

I see what it is. She is placed slightly infront of the exo-mek and has these two thin support pillars connecting her to it. From most angles the supports aren't really visible so she just seemed to be floating in front of it.

[brazen sparrow]

Just a visual inconsistency, I'm sure

[solemn linden]

Yeah. Makes it long kinda funny tho

[mental basin]

Way, way, way better than The Island intro with Helena.

Idk why people are complaining about the human animations, they've improved drastically.

Especially since Genesis.

The only thing I can personally complain about is the intro to The Island.

[tender wasp]

Compared to other trailers of way way way way older games the human animations of the Ark 2 trailer are ass and that is what I compare it too. Even in the second CGI trailer the human animation look ass and wooden.
And the Island trailer would feel really off if it would look drastically different to all of the other Ark 1 "ingame cinematics" if they would have added a full animated CGI trailer.

If you wanna compare the Ark 2 trailer to any Ark trailer it would make more sense to compare them to the life action/CGI mix ones.

[mental basin]

Yeah, and I like that.

Honestly, I was heartbroken there was no live action trailer for Genesis 2.

There had better be one for ARK 2, I'd be extremely pleased.

Anyways, I feel like the animations are good.

And the lightshow on The Island is also very cool

It's just Helena being stiff

She's way worse than the ARK 2 trailer, by far

Seriously, go back and watch it, she is all but t-posing

After we saw her in the Genesis Trailer? Awful

I just hope it's a WiP

[dense ice]

if it aint work in progress, im gonna pick it apart hardcore in a video

i adore the music and voice over though!

gareth coker saving the day once again

[wary ruin]

Why?

[onyx sky]

Maybe they’re just trying to make trailers more realistic to the gameplay offered, lmao

[fallow sapphire]

Helenas animations are a little janky

[wary ruin]

Eh it looks fine

[lyric tendon]

TBH Helena feels like doesn't think that she has legs in that intro

plus showing her as HD at the start kinda ruins the Ext ascension for me

[fallow sapphire]

For any new player or people who dont know much if any of the lore, its not too bad

It just stops the huge reveal at the end of extinction

[wary ruin]

either way, it's a nice intro.. no need to find a reason to complain about everything

[fallow sapphire]

I definitely like the idea, kinda pushes the fact this isnt just a survival game with dinosaurs, there is a point to reach endgame

[wary ruin]

yeah

[dusty scroll]

Trade a griffin for an ocean platform anyone?

[wary ruin]

Wrong channel

[fickle goblet]

@wary ruin what channel for trading

[wary ruin]

Idk, it’s definitely not lore-nerdz :D

[quaint marsh]

Here we would discuss how the ingenuity of man created the ocean platform saddle, and how it on some Arks became so valuable that people would sell their pets for one

[mental basin]

I'm not that kinda person.

I know who you're talking about but I'm not them 💀

I like the new intro, the animation on Helena is just bad compare to what we've seen before.

[brazen sparrow]

#735196255483068497 or something, doesn't belong here

[quartz pelican]

Haha nerdz

[tired osprey]

Case #27915 @cyan shuttle has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[tender wasp]

The only one that never dissappoints XD

[minor osprey]

Do all the arks exist simultaneously?

And, if so, can the survivors transfer at will been them?

[glad crow]

They do. In the lore you need to ascend to transfer, you choose which ark in the overseer place.

[minor osprey]

so they arent technically in sequence?

when you say ascend to transfer , you mean to say that once ascended they can trasnfer anywhere? or transfer only takes place at the point of ascension in any case?

im trying to figure out how to configure a cluster of official maps to make it most like storyline..

problem is, i dont know anything about the storyline LOL

[glad crow]

Yes, they could transfer anywhere, Helena just hit a button and ended up on scorched.

Like Mei done island then abb.

[minor osprey]

Where's the best place to go to read more about it

[rigid palm]

Pins

[lean bobcat]

Pins for a detailed description, I also wrote a summary a while back in the message that I'm replying to ^^

[lean bobcat]

Highly suggest reading the full story in the pins though, it's really good and gives you a much more in-depth description of the lore and characters. Basically people destroyed the earth with element and then created hundreds of ARKs designed to be safe spaces for all kinds of life (mostly genetically engineered stuff since pretty much everything that was originally on earth died) and the idea was for the ARKs to just float in space above Earth until there was less element on the surface. In the story, the main characters go from The Island --> Scorched --> Aberration (if you're gonna read just one map's lore, read this one, it's just amazing) --> Extinction --> Genesis 1 --> Genesis 2, but for it to just feel like you're really in ARK's world inhabiting the arks, I'd suggest allowing transferring after completing the bosses from map to map (although Extinction, Gen 1 and Gen 2 aren't technically ARKs- extinction takes place on earth which, story-wise, is only accessible by using "The Gateway Project" aka "The Portal" on aberration, gen 1 takes place in a simulation, and gen 2 is on a spaceship which i THINK is called Arat Prime but I may be mistaken)

[rigid palm]

Arat prime is the launch spot of the ship which is on earth
The gen2 ship is called the lifeboat or colony ship iirc

[bold dove]

It's called literally the Genesis-Ship

Or the Genesis-Colony-Ship

Lifeboat is just what Rockwell called it to describe it.

[jovial warren]

I thought arat was the planet we were going to in ark 2?

[bold dove]

It is.

[jovial warren]

O

[bold dove]

Arat-'Prime' is the launch station.

[jovial warren]

Oh

[mental basin]

For the ship, yes.

Still mad we never get to see it.

Maybe we'll see it in Extinction in October.

With the new Map intro/outro lore cutscenes.

[solemn linden]

Well storywise, while travel between the ARKs is kind of a "pick where you want to go when you ascend" type deal, there are still some things that make way more sense when played in order. For example, a huge portal was made on Aberration to redirect the transfer system to send you to Earth and as such it makes sense to play Extinction directly after Aberration. The way that Extinction ends also makes it so that it only logically works when played after The Island, Scorched Earth and Aberration. Both the Genesis DLCs make more sense when played after Aberration and Extinction due to the presence of Rockwell.

Basically, just play them in whichever order you want, but the story will make the most sense in the order that the DLCs came out in: Island, Scorched Earth, Aberration, Extinction, Gen 1 and Gen 2.

[solemn linden]

The explorer notes can be found on either the wiki or in the pins. The wiki orders them by character, while the link in pins orders them chronologically.

[solemn linden]

Basically Arat Prime is the launch site for the Colony Ship, whereas Arat is the planet it is heading to. It's like if you were going to the moon and you named the launch site for that mission "Lunar Prime".

[jovial warren]

o h

Oh

[bronze turtle]

What is the portals function in ab?

[bold dove]

To do what they did in the ending

[solemn linden]

It hijacks the system that is supposed to send you to the next ARK and sends you to Earth instead. Basically we were supposed to go to numerous additional ARKs after Aberration, but thanks to a little meddling from the Tek tribe, we end up on Earth instead.

[supple raven]

I think the notes said that rat prime was located on the dark side of earth because the side extinction is on is always daytime and in one of the genesis 1 chronicles HLNA says that Helenas friends went to arat prime and beamed her up to the genesis simulation for a brief moment. I also remember some of the binary code banners in the sanctuary mention arat prime a few times.

[quaint marsh]

rat prime

[jovial warren]

rat prime

[brazen sparrow]

rat prime

[arctic bison]

the prime rat specimen?

[fallow sapphire]

No no no, its like Rockwell prime, but rat

[bold dove]

Ah yes.
'Rat prime'

[plain plover]

[lyric tendon]

a rat prime

[bold dove]

AberRATion.

[lean bobcat]

ark but it's just rats!?!??!?!?!?!??! (NOT clickbait)

[pure cipher]

🐀

Ratwell

[bronze turtle]

alpha ratwell would be the hardest boss fight ever

[bold dove]

[lyric tendon]

if i dont see A RAT in ARK 2 i am refunding

[merry cipher]

I heard rats and rockwell

[lean bobcat]

ratwell pog 🐀

7 foot rat, rats along his rats

when he calls your name it all fades to rats

[bronze turtle]

hewo peoples

rockwell seems kinda arrogant ngl

[lean bobcat]

VERY arrogant

[bronze turtle]

like the character but just- hes an actaul dk. dam rockwell way to go also being a dk to the only one who liked you as a frend.

[lean bobcat]

Yeah, although I think a lot of that was the corruption of the element. In the beginning on the Island he was a good guy with just slightly twisted morals, and then the element took full advantage of that and brought out the absolute worst in him

[bronze turtle]

still arrogant on the island tho. and in the island he pushed helena away at the end.

[lean bobcat]

Mhm

[bronze turtle]

yeah no i give up on genral chat. .-. syntac fans not popular there TvT welp. ig imma just discuss random lore here. Like wtf do shadowmanes exist how did rockwell decide to make them.

maybe he saw lions and breed it with fish.

[bold dove]

He also made the Noglins

[bronze turtle]

u mean the little demon monkey slugs?

[solemn linden]

You should go back and look at who it was that told you that Syntac is lame lmao cause I'm pretty sure they were joking

[solemn linden]

Shadowmanes are literally a combination of a lion and a lionfish, so it seems like Rockwell just went "Yo, what if I make a lionfish lion?"

[bronze turtle]

or he made the lions and fish y'know >:3

[solemn linden]

Honestly sounds like something Rockwell would do

but no the Shadowmanes were genetically engineered, thankfully

[broken star]

Rockwell kind of just got it into his head to play god

And shadowmanes are one of the results

Of all the shit he does in Gen 2, weird fishcat lions are the ones that least strain credibility

... of all the shit he does in gen1, honestly. How does a 19th century chemist get so good at hacking

[bronze turtle]

no idea. does he just pull it out of his million year old nut cracker brain?

[broken star]

I mean realistically he probably just used element/his own mutations to corrupt the system directly rather than actually hacking but i still would like to imagine there's a keyboard somewhere in his control room and he's spent long sleepless nights tapping one key at a time slowly learning computers

one key at a time with his mutant eldritch tentacles, oh so careful not to crush the tiny keyboard or get slime all over it

[jovial warren]

I mean
Shadowmanes have lionfish as their creature ID

It's pretty obv

[brazen sparrow]

I imagine that the idea for them wasn't entirely his, he probably just stole the basis for them from the unused creature concepts stored in the simulation database

And then made them in the real world once he added whatever he wanted

[jovial warren]

He also could've mutated a creature already on board the genesis ship

[lean bobcat]

LMAO thank you for this mental image

"one day... i'll figure out how to control these noise boxes"

[outer matrix]

Ratwell

[brazen sparrow]

Ratwell

[pure cipher]

Alpha Ratwell Prime 🐀

[fallow sapphire]

You push it too far

[bold dove]

Alpha Ratwell Ripe.

[broken star]

Do rollrats count as rats...

[bronze turtle]

i mean i wouldnt put the whole breeding stuff thing pass rockwell either,he is a little over ambitious and kinda weird enough to do that lol.

[jovial warren]

Did we ever know what the ring in the sky is in the ocean biome on genesis part 1

[bold dove]

Nope

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, the Genesis ship, specifically one of the rings on it. It looks weird/different because either:

1. They hadn't really settled on the design yet
   Or
2. It's a simulation and they wanted it to look cool and strange and make you ask this question

[frail dragon]

aberration appearance theory: the south part of the map before the explosion was desert because if u look closely to the featherlight model (which spawns all over the south of ab) u will see that it's just the phoenix (which lives in the desert) model with a deformed head but it could also be a volcano because there are phoenixes spawning on gen1 and crystal isles volcanoes. the nameless look like corrupted dna files of human and jerboa that were probably mixed during the explosion, rock drakes are the same species as wyvern

[arctic bison]

[wary ruin]

No.. it was basically the same as island iirc

[frail dragon]

there was a map of it in one of the explorer notes that definately didn't look like the island and the southeast didn't have a single river so it could possible be a desert

which could also be basilisk's natural habitat as that's one of the 2 dinos that aren't immune to radiation that are exclusive to aberration

it could also be something like crystal isles savanna biome because there are mountains similar in shape to scorched's but no balands

badlands*

[brazen sparrow]

It's been stated by the devs that it looked similar to The Island, as most of the arks that we don't get to see do as well.

Also, since when in the hell do phoenixes spawn anywhere other than Scorched? Pretty sure you need to re think that point, lol

[candid onyx]

i always wondered how was ppl on earth going to survive after the re-seed protocol? You just had a ark full of reapers land there 🤣

[bold dove]

No

Marc confirmed it was another Island-like ARK before.

Not 'the' Island.
Just another Island landmass

[jovial warren]

Doesn't HLNA say it was supposed to be a "fantasy paradise" in one of the genesis chronicles notes or am I tripping

[bold dove]

I don't think she was referring in past tense.
Cause it's defiantly a Fantasy paradise (and hellscape) now

[jovial warren]

Hmmmmmmmm

Let me go find the note

[frail dragon]

there is a diana note with ab map

[frail dragon]

phoenixes appear in missions on gen2 and around the emberfall on isles

[bold dove]

Missions are just simulations.

[frail dragon]

magmasaur was originally a scorched creature but then was moved to genesis. so maybe same for phoenix but rockwell removed natural spawns

featherlight still looks identical to the phoenix

[brazen sparrow]

Not without mods they don't, and missions on Gen 2? I thought you said the volcano on Gen 1. Either way, they aren't in these locations.

[jovial warren]

Ah nvm
She says lush paradise
Not fantasy paradise

[frail dragon]

i meant gen1 missions. gen2 too but they are just nida's zoo

[brazen sparrow]

There is the one is the simulation for Survive The Ark, but again, as @bold dove stated, those are in the simulation and thus don't count as spawns per se.

[frail dragon]

they are on gen1 missions too

[brazen sparrow]

...Which is a simulation lol

[frail dragon]

parasaur defense and magma boss fight

[bold dove]

Magma boss?

Ayo, did you find one of the secret Master A.I's that no one else has found?

[frail dragon]

the x-dragon mission

[bold dove]

It's a X-Wyvern now.

Also, Genesis-1 is ALL a simulation.

[frail dragon]

all arks are simulations. just that they are connecte to pillars but gen1 is connected to one of the gen2 rings

[bold dove]

No...

The ARK's are physical objects orbiting Earth, and just have a protective dome.

Genesis-1 is literally a Matrix-style simulation.
It's why you wake up in a pod at the end, where you've 'actually' been throughout the whole Genesis-1 journey.
While Genesis-2 is set on the two rings of the ship, that the simulation was on. And you have to sometimes travel back to said simulation for specific missions.

[frail dragon]

doesn't change anything, magmasaur is still a scorched earth dino that got removed by the overseer

[arctic bison]

what tomfoolery is going on here

[bold dove]

HLN-A also never existed on the ARK's.
So, I honestly doubt the canonality of the Genesis Chronicle notes.

[frail dragon]

could be just helena/rockwell speaking through the implant

[bold dove]

Rockwell also mocks you like he's on the Genesis-ship, while you're still on Aberration.

[bold dove]

The implant isn't a fucking radio

[brazen sparrow]

The Summit Tour doesn't have any phoenixes mate, you need to check your facts a loooooooooot more before you come in here lol

[frail dragon]

it does

[brazen sparrow]

It does not, go look again

[frail dragon]

maybe it go removed

got*

i remember encountering them

[bold dove]

Wiki doesn't state anything on it.
And I've done that mission quite a bit, and never saw them

Lets see if old day-one footage has any.

[brazen sparrow]

I sure never saw any...

[frail dragon]

it could just be a server config to remove snakes but i remember getting attacked by a phoenix

[arctic bison]

only gen 1 mission that has phoenix is the gauntlet mission in the vulcano biome

[bold dove]

Yeah, if it was unofficial then that's probably how.

Yeah man, I don't see any in this old footage

[frail dragon]

or ants. i don't remember finding any snakes or ants on that server

[brazen sparrow]

Unofficial servers aren't lore friendly, just an fyi 😅

[bold dove]

Nor are evo-events

[glad oak]

unofficial servers could have always messed with the spawns and thats why this guy is thinking they spawn when they dont

[jovial warren]

Mfw beller comes in and singlehandedly ignores all the lore

[bold dove]

Ayo, don't drag my unofficial server into this.

[fading pawn]

Hi

[bold dove]

They don't all change the spawns

[bold dove]

No

[fading pawn]

Wtf

What

[bold dove]

No

[fading pawn]

No what

[bold dove]

Yes

[fading pawn]

Wtf

[bold dove]

[glad oak]

maybe

[bold dove]

Maybe

[brazen sparrow]

Maybe

[jovial warren]

Maybe

[arctic bison]

Maybe

[waxen flame]

Maybe

[wary ruin]

Maybe

[bold dove]

Maybe

[jovial warren]

I just realized there's gross stuff on the ceiling in luminous marshlands on abberation

[jovial warren]

Wait a second
Anyone else realize when you punch a reaper you get sparks instead of blood?

[mental basin]

POV: You just punched a hole through the newly tamed Reaper's chest, revealing the wires, metal plating, and CIA wiretraps.

[quaint marsh]

It was Freddy all along

[shut bough]

Maybe

[bold dove]

MAybe

[arctic bison]

maybe

[shut bough]

MaYbE

[lean bobcat]

maybe

[fallow sapphire]

mAyBe

[bold dove]

MAYbe

[small rune]

What happened here

[bold dove]

Maybe

[small rune]

Ya know I sat here waiting for that
I just knew that would be the response

Good day to you

[bold dove]

Maybe

[solemn linden]

Maybe nothing happened

[brazen sparrow]

If you've ever played Skyrim, it's clearly Chaurus poop and eggs 😂

[frail dragon]

if evo events aren't lore friendly explain me how nida tamed a dodo rex and zomdodos

[bold dove]

She didn't.
She created them within a simulation.

They're only canonically seen in the SurviveTheArk mission.
Which is a simulation.

[frail dragon]

it's still not the 1st time they appear

[bold dove]

Events don't count

[lyric tendon]

events dont count since there is no canonical connection to the dossiers especially after SE like when will Helena ever keep make those while she is trying to survive or fight or even in extreme emotional state

even with tames that are not in the story maps

[wary ruin]

Goofy ahh people thinking evo events are cannon

[frail dragon]

didn't helena state about a "wyvern god" in 1 if her explorer notes