40k-book-club

[thorn bison]

I've only read Gotrek and Felix but you wanted to put that on hold so I can't reliably recommend anything Fantasy

[barren oar]

I just got a lot ahead of me to read and I don’t want to get burned out

I’ll prolly read Bruner or blackheart

[sonic wren]

Anyone else excited to get the guardsman handbook?

[proud hare]

Yes mine should come in tomorrow

[clear mortar]

the new red one?

[random marlin]

I have two copies of previous editions of the Imperial Infantryman's Handbook but missed that one. Looks like the only difference is the red, very nice-looking cover, so I'm not too bothered. It's an excellent, in-universe material that I use for the Imperial Guard campaign I'm GMing. 😉

And if you like this book, don't forget to read the regimental standard, they've stopped writing articles for it but it's still quite fun to read: https://regimental-standard.com/

[thorn bison]

I wish I had gotten it in time but so far I've been too slow every time they've released it

[mellow knot]

The Champions of Chaos antho is a good WHF bundle

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/champions-of-chaos-ebook.html

[glass sparrow]

just finished Titanicus, I liked it.

[clear mortar]

Nice

I began reading Sepulturum

so far nice

[drowsy urchin]

Now that Abnett has finished working on the last Siege of Terra book I really really hope the next book coming from him will be Pandemonium

Watching the Ars Technica interview with him again and he mentions a tidbit about the book and I just can't wait to hear more about it

[thorn bison]

I hope he tells us whether he's writing the next Ghosts book or not

[glass sparrow]

please let there be no main cast deaths in the next book.

We've lost to many in the last one, and I hope we have another Bonin scenario with ||Brostin's fate. I loved that fire loving bastard.||

[thorn bison]

I'm just glad that Mkoll is immortal

Literally unstoppable

What feelings would stir within you if you saw ||a man holding a knife while screaming "I am death" in your native tongue?||

Mixed ones, I'll tell you what

[bleak mauve]

Are there any books that focus on the Adeptus Mechanicus?

I adore the tech priests and I'd really like to read more about the magnificence of the omnissiah

[agile hedge]

Multiple yes, I dont know which ones are the good ones though, lemme call an expert

@tall phoenix Admech books, now

[tall phoenix]

new ping who dis

[thorn bison]

Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work and the HH book Mechanicum are amazing

imo

[tall phoenix]

Forges of Mars is also a top recommendation

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81gb6-YgeQL.jpg

its like one of the most praised mechanicus books out there

[bleak mauve]

So forges of mars and belisarius cawl are the two to aim for

massive thanks, may the omnissiah bless you

[thorn bison]

Yeah, pretty much anything featuring Cawl tends to be good

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Forges of Mars is for "I want to know what the admech is like"

The Cawl book is brilliant as well but its a lot more of a character novel than an admech one imo

That and its after The Rift opening compared to Forges which is before the fall of cadia

[drowsy urchin]

Dan Abnett's Titanicus is probably one of THE most influential mechanicus books

it just released in audiobook format finally after more than a decade

noosphere originates from it for example

[random marlin]

I didn't read the entire Gaunt's Ghosts series yet (I'm somewhere in the Lost cycle), but I find ||Mkoll|| just insufferable with how OP he is. It's something I'm not a big fan of in GG, just how powerful they are, to the point where they dispatch formidable enemies without much effort.

• We've lost this planet, what do we do?
• We could send ||Mkoll||?
• Yeah, but that wouldn't be a fair fight.
• ||Mkoll|| with just a knife?
• Ok, at least they'll have a small chance this way!

Why use Exterminatus when you have ||Mkoll||? :p

Don't get me wrong, I still find GG an enjoyable and entertaining read, it's just sometimes that I'm having a hard time not cracking a smile with how Abnett is in love with some of his characters and REALLY wants the reader to know how awesome and strong they are. It almost feels like an 80's action movie.

[thorn bison]

I agree that some characters have more plot armour than others, but DA writes his cast like George R.R. Martin

Anyone can die at any time (with a few exceptions) and you won't see it coming

[random marlin]

I see what you mean, however I feel it's different from Martin's GoT in the sense that usually, when a character dies in it, it's usually because something is their undoing.

Each major character's death is earned, it might have been avoided but a flaw, or sometimes a quality (in the case of ||Ned Stark and his morality|| for instance) leads them to their death. It's not always the case, but it usually is.

In GG, ||the deaths I've seen so far usually happen in the last pages, and there's sometimes nothing leading to it. I'm thinking about Corbec's one for instance, where he's killed by Cuuh, but it really could have been any character. The good thing is that it's unpredictable, but I'd have liked to see the impacts of these deaths on the other characters, and often it's processed between two books, as the deaths happen at or near the end, which lessens the impact for me.||

However I've not read everything so maybe this doesn't hold true for the rest of the GG books. I'll see when I'll start reading them again. I do know that most people who read it were very impacted by these deaths, so maybe that's just me. But Abnett sure knows how to make the reader care for his characters, that's one of his strong points from what I read of him.

[steep niche]

I´m looking for a new book series to read. Is there something good like Ghaunts Ghausts focusing on the Imperial Guard you guys can recommend.

[agile hedge]

Ciaphas Cain

[steep niche]

I was actually thinking about that

I have heard Ciaphas Cain is kinda like a comedy?

[glass sparrow]

Titanicus focused on the Mechanicus and the Titan Legions fighting to save a forge world during the Sabbat Crusade

[bleak mauve]

interesting, I'll have to include that in my list of warhammer books to prioritise

[glass sparrow]

includes a Moderati that had his neural links fried so he was a disabled veteran that was kept on to tend the gardens

all his movements were described as if he was a titan due to the brain damage he suffered from the accident.

[random marlin]

So you're looking for Imperial Guard books, but what are you looking for in them? Do you want something more heroic, more satirical, more thought-provoking, more comedic (in which case Ciaphas Cain is a good choice)?

[steep niche]

Characters you really start to care about I guess. That´s something Dan Abnett is really good in.

[toxic nebula]

kinda? it makes jokes but overall plays the setting seriously enough

[steep niche]

I think I will give Ciaphas Cain a chance. Thank you.

[lime verge]

Titanicus

[ember moss]

I'd say this counts

https://twitter.com/ShoggySeldom/status/1535883992192495617

Shoggy Is Not Dead (@ShoggySeldom)

Thread is done, go read if you're impatient:

https://t.co/aR5ScqjKVB

@ZeeZdepski
@Neckbeardia

Twitter · Jun 12, 2022, 7:17 AM

The long awaited conclusion to the second to last chapter of The All Guardsmen Party

[wintry tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[vast crane]

along with the current recommendations, i enjoyed Skitarius and Tech-Priest by Rob Sanders as well

[magic sable]

How does Galaxy In Flames compare to Horus Rising and False Gods? Just finished Rising and False Gods this week and picked up Galaxy today

[tall phoenix]

Galaxy in flames and in general the first few starting HH books are excellent

its only after them and the middle points that the Heresy books get extremely eh to pls stop levels of writing

It says a lot since Abnett's back was probably broken from carrying this series half the time

[magic sable]

Gotcha. Any specific books you'd recommend skipping?

[tall phoenix]

I'm gonna be blunt and say the entire Salamander series which is just like 5 to 6 books. They are repetitive as hell and add nothing to the heresy, you can just read what happens in them event wise online and skip them from there.

I'd say the others are up to your discretion and best to ask around on.

Some are usually more boring than outright bad

[magic sable]

Cool, thank you @tall phoenix

[tall phoenix]

If you wan ta much better breakdown go for this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1m8gmu3Nyc

[wintry tinsel]

Thought it was 20 hours at first

That means it's bed time for me if I thought that

[torpid seal]

has any of you read the white scars omnibus?

i'd like to get it since white scars are my favourites and need something else after the night lords' but idk if it's any good

[light sparrow]

Its good if u want some WS bolter porn, but there are some great lil moments in it

I think that has the relay station being eaten by a nid ship. Lov that part

[torpid seal]

alright thanks

[vast flume]

i have no idea about warhammer but after a couple thousand hours playing vermintide, and in preparation for darktide, i want to learn a bit about this thing

are there recommended introductionary books?

or even videos?

[tall phoenix]

Yes

like... tons

[thorn bison]

Recommendations depend of whether you want to read 40k, Fantasy or AOS

Now, all I know of Fantasy novels is that Gotrek and Felix is a great series to get you started

When it comes to 40k I would suggest the Dawn of Fire novels as they cover the most recent/modern events of 40k lore

After that you can read pretty much any 40k novel and go from there

Or just look up some vids on YouTube if reading isn't your thing

[sharp gust]

honestly depends on what your favourite method is for learning about the universe

you can go for novels, video explanations, wikis, the actual 40k book for the tabletop (comes with complete lore explanation and many pretty pictures)

i personally started with the main tabletop book of whatever edition it was

i think 6th edition

this chonker

first half of the book was lore

[torpid seal]

do codexes have lore about the faction

[sweet slate]

Yes

But it is also very biased toward the faction of the codex

[craggy sphinx]

all of them do

[sharp gust]

you can assume basically half of all tabletop books is lore and half is rules

[slender fulcrum]

Reading priests of Mars for adeptus mechanicus: 😴 reading priests of Mars for smasha the Ogryn: 🤗

[trim wren]

anyone know of any books that contain post-heresy alpha legion

[thorn bison]

Shroud of Night is a good one

[trim wren]

Oo ty

[vast flume]

i got First & Only, Dan's first wh40k book i think

thats a good place to start to get an idea aobut wh40k and whats to expect from darktide?

[glass sparrow]

yeah. Dan had a hand in helping with writing some stuff for the story for darktide so you'll probably see some similarities

[vast flume]

as im reading the book... im wishing it had pictures lol

he uses so many WH40K names-of-things and i have no idea what they are

different weapons, armored vehicles, spacecraft? no idea

[tall phoenix]

Pro tip

||Google||

[vast flume]

im reading on a kindle in bed, i cba

[tall phoenix]

Then suffer

[thorn bison]

When you get the chance, look up all the stuff on Lexicanum and the WH 40k Fandom wiki

It really helps getting into the atmosphere more

[slender fulcrum]

The unorthodox method is to play some dawn of war >:)

[thorn bison]

Play all games on steam with the title Warhammer

And then go from there

[wintry tinsel]

If you said GOG I'd be like "Oh boi"

since they gave out such a huge library during the Skulls event

[thorn bison]

I've never used GOG and I won't recommend that which I don't know anything about

But if they have a big collection of WH games then go off

[agile hedge]

GOG is great, I like using it they do good prices, they INCLUDE the patches to make old games more functional and you actually own the games

[dreamy ledge]

Got day of ascension

[magic sable]

I got Day of Ascension in February and have yet to even open the book lol

[velvet karma]

i was crying laughing after reading that one of the chapters in the Old Earth book is named "Vulkan Leaves"

just had to share that

[tall phoenix]

LOL

I FORGOT THAT ONE

[velvet karma]

that caught me off guard lmao

[dreamy ledge]

I heard it’s really good, idk why but I got. Sudden kick for genestealer cult stuff and might get the new combat patrol

[random marlin]

I read it and found it very good. Interesting and (kind of) relatable POV characters from both sides (one from the GC and one from the Mechanicus) with their world views conflicting and both wrong in a way. As a reader, I ended up rooting for the Genestealer Cult, which was no easy feat. Tchaikovsky's style and substance, like Fehervari's, are leagues above the average BL author and make you forget you're reading a BL book.

If you're looking for another good GC book, there's also Cult of the Spiral Dawn by Peter Fehervari. He took a lot of inspiration from John Carpenter's The Thing for this one (including naming some of the characters to reference both the 82 movie as well as the 2011 one) and it really poses the Genestealer Cult as an insidious threat, with a lot of paranoia going on at some point. The action scenes, as usual with Peter Fehervari, are great and do not describe any faction as being a pushover for the faction at the centre of the book (here, an Astra Militarum regiment) to shine. That's always something that bugs me in a lot of BL books, like in Gaunt's Ghosts where they can defeat Chaos Space Marines without breaking a sweat. Here, the Genestealer Cult, just like the Astra Militarum regiment, are formidable and in each combat, you don't know who's going to end on top. I was a bit let down by the end which I found a bit too classical in my taste, but it still was a very enjoyable ride. The fact that I'm a huge fan of JC's The Thing probably didn't hurt either! 😉

[agile hedge]

It was a good book I second this

[vast flume]

the warhammer site is so confusing its got so much stuff

where can i see the codices

codexes call it whatever

[hearty niche]

that is the point. U must buy them, or just download them on internet. But not all of them are present

which codex do u want?

[vast flume]

i dont know

[hearty niche]

well...

[vast flume]

the first one

[hearty niche]

u want to start an army, yes?

[vast flume]

no i want to learn about WH40K lore and the world a bit

[drowsy urchin]

all you can see on the websites are the covers and maybe a picture of a single page

[hearty niche]

they are not numbered. They are bound to factions

[hearty niche]

oh, then i recommend u to watch some lore videos on youtube

[drowsy urchin]

there are all the codexes if you select that option

[hearty niche]

cause in codexes it is mostly about rules and units

[vast flume]

i watched luetin's video but it was too generic

[random marlin]

Each codex is usually dedicated to an army/faction, so usually you buy one in order to know more about this specific army/faction.

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?N=1125463923+3272198241&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[product.startDate+<%3D+1655836500000+and+product.endDate+>%3D+1655836500000]&_requestid=12508060

there's a link

that shows all the codexes

[random marlin]

Did you watch Bricky's videos? Looks like they can be good to get introduced to the general setting.

[vast flume]

nope can you link it

[hearty niche]

u can read some books. Or u can ask anybody in this discord about something u want to know

[random marlin]

I didn't watch them myself as I know the setting for something like 30 years now, but I think I heard they were good to have a general feel of the setting and its factions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCGKPRiJp84

[hearty niche]

that is also too generic

[vast flume]

i started reading gaunt's ghosts but half the things theyre describing.. i have no idea what they are

techno mumble

[hearty niche]

maybe he would like to watch adeptus ridiculous

[random marlin]

Best thing to do is to write the terms you don't know and check them on a site such as the Lexicanum.

[hearty niche]

@vast flumehttps://www.youtube.com/c/Adeptusridiculous

[random marlin]

Hm... So you don't want to have generic info, but you don't know which codex to buy as you don't know the factions of the setting... Are you sure some generic info wouldn't be useful? ^^

[hearty niche]

yea

he is right

it would be best for u to watch about what factions are even exist

[vast flume]

ah codexes are physical books only?

i guess theyre like the expansion books in D&D

[hearty niche]

or pdf

[vast flume]

like everyone uses the PHB but then you can get extra books to add new races or classes or whatever

[random marlin]

Hey, maybe this link could help for Gaunt's Ghosts? 🙂 https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard_Terms

[drowsy urchin]

hey that's nice, didn't know it existed

[vast flume]

yeah that may be useful

although i like to read on a kindle in bed, so ill have to have this open on my phone or something

[hearty niche]

and still

watch bricky

[vast flume]

yeah i got the tab open ill watch it soon

[random marlin]

Don't worry, once you'll have identified the more frequent terms, you'll need it less and less. 🙂

And Bricky's video probably covers the Imperial Guard in his part 1 (there's a commissar on the thumbnail, which is an imperial guard figure).

[drowsy urchin]

40k Theories youtube channel is a great way to get to know the lore as well

[vast flume]

yeah some things are already making sense

its just they name vehicles and spacecraft and weapons and probably some slang that i dont understand yet

i think i know what a commisar is at this point

although the first book's (first & only) was weird

because the prologue has the team lead by an officer, who was annoyed by the commisar, even though the commisar was the superior, just not in charge?

i found that confusing

[random marlin]

Bravery Bolter -> Slang for a Commissar's bolt pistol. lol didn't know that one but it makes sense!

Well, commissars are political officers, which means that they are outside the command structure but can take charge whenever they see it fit.

[teal igloo]

playing space marine 1 would probably help tbh

its very aesthetically consistent

with vehicles/weapons/factions/points of interest

[vast flume]

Bruh

its like $50 where i live

for a 2011 game

[drowsy urchin]

it's on sale often

[hearty niche]

read about soviet ''polit rukovoditeli'. Commissars are like them, but can execute whoever thet want

if to simplify

[drowsy urchin]

it was re-released as the anniversary edition a year or two back and that pumped up the price a bit

[random marlin]

Take your time and dive into the parts which interest you the most... You've got so much to discover. ^^

[vast flume]

yeah i was looking at the anniversary thing

ill wait for sale

i dont think i particularly care too much

i must be just wasting time while waiting for darktide 😛

that bricky video is 50 mintues long

perfect length, thats usually how long i spin my stationary bike

ill go ride/watch now, thanks, back soon

[random marlin]

@vast flume If you don't mind, I'd be curious to know what you think of it, to see if I can suggest it to some of my friends who don't know 40k (and that I plan to corrupt convert before Darktide is released).

[vast flume]

sure ill let you know

but im cool with watching long and boring videos

so i might not be a useful metric

[drowsy urchin]

other one you might want to share are the 40k Theories' "40k Lore for Newcomers" -playlists

https://www.youtube.com/c/40KTheories/playlists?view=50&sort=dd&shelf_id=4

[vast flume]

thats a bit much can you be more specific

theres like 200 videos there heh

[drowsy urchin]

I think it's a good idea just to go in order, or check the titles and see which one seems the most interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpmaNo_I31A&list=PL7NUrRUMQlUTqgibSTXdRu7RZ9vCHqt1g

[vast flume]

oh ok that makes sense

[drowsy urchin]

this one might be the best one to start with

[vast flume]

theres 4 extra playlists there i didnt notice theres one specific for newcomes

[vast flume]

@random marlin it was good, but probably only because im already interested in wh40k. i dont think a random person would sit there and listen for an hour

[tall phoenix]

Down to their attention span really

[random marlin]

Sure, I wouldn't just send it without any info anyway, if they're interested in Darktide and then asks "Can you tell me more about 40k", then I'll point them to it, or to what Jerk 0 matic has shared which sounds good too.

[torpid seal]

they don't have to be willing

they WILL sit through my 12 hours presentation

(not going into the nitty gritty)

[vast flume]

i kept reading first & only, its pretty good

i think im halfway through or so i like it 😄

[random marlin]

Glad to hear you're enjoying it! 🙂

[chilly loom]

Finished Black Legion

God I hope ADB puts out the 3rd book soon

I'd love to see the Black Crusades all novelized

[trim wren]

loving the outcast dead

the petitioners city really sells the imperium

[vast flume]

gaunt's story is cool when shit happens

but when hes describing things, half the time i dont even know the words hes using (language barrier) and then i start falling asleep

[random marlin]

Language barrier, I'm assuming English is not your mother language? That might makes things tough indeed, with the addition of words from the setting not making it any easier.

[vast flume]

yep

[thorn bison]

A question I've seen a lot of people ask is “What book do I start with?”. My revolutionary answer? It does not matter

Pick a book that sounds or looks cool and go from there

I mean, I started with the Leman Russ primarchs novel

And now I've read almost 100 different WH 40k and Fantasy novels

[sick isle]

I just watch four or five different lore vids on the same subject made by different YouTubers. It works most of the time.

[thorn bison]

Yeah exactly

Pick a subject that sounds interesting and just roll with it

[sick isle]

My favorites are the Mechanicus ones mainly because they are the weirdest and most interesting faction of the imperium.

[thorn bison]

Agreed, the Admech are really weird and fun to read about

[sick isle]

I even started writing a fan book. But I decided to stop because I fear GW’s lawyers.

[thorn bison]

I mainly prefer Guard and SM books but I've read a bit of everything

I do that occasionally as well but never release it to the public

Little short stories for myself

[sick isle]

Let’s see I’ve done a space marine. Necrons. And two different Mechanicus ones. My favorite is the second Mechanicus one I made where my character made a splinter faction of the Mechanicus. Think of him like the Commander Farsight of the Mechanicus.

[thorn bison]

Renegade Admech? I like that idea

[sick isle]

It was my best work. It’s not exactly lore accurate but that’s the charm of it. It’s sad it won’t see the light of day it deserves.

[thorn bison]

Well, as long as someone has read it, be it you or somebody else, it'll always have seen some kind of light

I like stories about factions still loyal to the Emperor but not the Imperium

Like, screw the government but I'm still religious

[sick isle]

Those can get interesting

[thorn bison]

Pretty much what happened to the Lamenters

[sick isle]

Definitely

But thankfully those few story’s I wrote has lead to the creation of my current work. A creation of me and my good friends design that I will hopefully publish in a few years.

[thorn bison]

I'll be waiting with bated breath

[vast flume]

yeah i was told the same thing

'start with whatever book sounds cool, none of them are as good as isaac asimov anyway'

but anyway i started with gaunt's and its pretty good

[narrow river]

How good is Flight of the Eisenstein? I got it as a gift and I want to know how good it is

[thorn bison]

Very

I would recommend reading the first three books before that one if you really need all of the context

But if you just want a good book then read it now and forget what I said

[glass sparrow]

It reads like a decent action movie (in my opinion) and is a good read in the HH series.

[narrow river]

Ok, thanks

[mellow knot]

Flight of the Eisenstein is a brilliant continuation of the story and the change of pace is amazing.

[thorn bison]

The ending alone is imo a good enough reason to read it

[red steppe]

Always laufhing my ass offbehen I read those pseudo-german names

[vast flume]

i finished gaunt's first book it was nice

the ending didnt blow my mind nor made me crave the next book

but i guess.. im reading it anyway

[vast flume]

how different is The Founding (omnibus edition of Gaunt's Ghosts 1-3) vs. just the 3 books separately, First & Only, Ghostmaker and Necropolis?

does either have extra stuff thats missing in the other? or something revised?

Ghostmaker starts with them on Monthax, while the Omnibus has something in between i think

like an extra.. something

Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities

wth is that

ah https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Of_Their_Lives_in_the_Ruins_of_Their_Cities_(Short_Story)

the writing is way better in this short story

no surprise it was written 12 years after the first & only

[thorn bison]

Well, yeah

Abnett has been writing this for 20 years

20

Years

Of course his writing has improved over time

It's only natural

[void stirrup]

Working my way through the Horus Heresy books. Anyone have favorites/recommendations? Any to avoid?

[tall phoenix]

Avoid the Salamander books and the Battle for the Abyss if you dont want to die from boredom

otherwise most are average or fun reads

Know No fear™️ is a big recommend

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71GQE6Re1WL.jpg

[glass sparrow]

The only downside to Know No Fear is quite a bit of the Ultramarines felt really samey on my first listen to it, I am sure if I went through it again I would be able to distinguish different cast members a lot better.

not sure how I feel about Damnation of Pythos as a book. It's an Iron Hands book and honestly I asked myself what even happened in this story that was even remotely important to the HH as a whole and why it exist as it is.

As someone who primarily does audio books when it comes to 40k novels, it's kind of rough for me to definitively say "stay away from x" because also try to consider who was the narrator for said book.

[glass sparrow]

Was battle of the Abyss the book about the ship that pretty much went nowhere and was just a massive "why does this exist?" Moment?

[tall phoenix]

YES.

IT WAS.

[void stirrup]

Looking over the 50 odd books, it is weird. There are 5 or 6 Salamander only books that from summaries don't even tie into the main plot very much

But noted, thank you. Ultramarines are actually my favorite Legion & chapter. Kind of a bummer one of their books is bad.

[tall phoenix]

Their other books make up for it believe me

[void stirrup]

Good, plenty of inspiration while I build and paint my horus heresy stuff (went overboard there. Two Calth boxes, a Prospero box, the age of darkness box, Guilliman, a Glaive, and two squads of Suzerain). Going to need lots of inspiration, with lots of blue and gold paint.

The point on audio books is spot on. The guy who does the Gotrek and Felix books is great. The narrators for some of the modern 40k stuff are... less so. The narrator on Steel Tread was just bad.

[glass sparrow]

Toby Longworth, Jonathan Keeble, and Gareth Armstrong for most 40k series and HH stuff are safe bets for me to listen to and make it through a book even if it is "ok" at best. Stephen Perring, Richard Reed and a few others are good options as well.

John Banks... this is my own personal opinion, but honestly I do not really care for his in character dialogue. To me he just doesn't seem to have as much of a range in making distinctive voices for the current book unlike others.

I will give him this though, having him narrate the in between portions in some of the Audio Drama's he has been a part of whilst working with other narrators is really good.

slight tangent: I swear Jonathan Keeble is obsessed with having the most flehm choked gurgling voice ever whenever he has to do anything Nurgle related lol.

and on another note: god fucking damn it, I guess I'll re-listen to Fear No Evil again while at work tomorrow. Thanks a lot Dilara

[oak pollen]

so is there any book/s where the iron hands are the center chapter/ focus?

or are they just always a sidenote at best?

[random marlin]

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc If I someday start the Horus Heresy, I'll probably watch this video again first. ^^

[thorn bison]

First Heretic and Betrayer are great reads, they go together so read them in order (FH-B)

[vast flume]

damn my feeling was absolutely accurate

the short story injected before the 2nd gaunt's book was so good, and then i fell asleep on the 2nd book

i need to push through, i was told the 3rd book is one of the best

[glass sparrow]

Damnation of Pythos as I said earlier, Quality is a mix bag though in terms of what are you looking for.

[vast flume]

yo what reader are you guys using on pc

i prefer to read on the kindle but i find it more comfortable to sit in front of the pc... i just dont like reading on the pc

maybe if i had a better reader app

the order is so weird

book 1 is a story. the short-story afterwards happens like 20 years earlier. and book 2 happens even earlier it seems lol

like the timeline goes in reverse

if i keep reading ill get back to sigmar

[glass sparrow]

up to Traitor General if you are talking about Gaunt's Ghosts takes place over 8-9 years.

[fading egret]

i didn't like Damnation of Pythos the end is so bad

[glass sparrow]

Yeah it really felt like a "what was even the point of all of this" kind of book.

[sharp elm]

Hey, I binged read most of Abnett's work + The Beast Arise and Brutal Kunning. I'm thinking of buying the Cadia Stands trilogy but it seems really expansive since it's not an omnibus yet. Any recommendations (bonus points for Astra Militarum ones) ?

And as a foot note, I wish there was a pinning system or something like that to mark the already recommended and up voted books here

Krieg was also nice, but I think it was a stand alone

[vast flume]

gaunt's ghosts and eisenhorn are recommended in #❓faq-for-convicts

[sweet slate]

That is because the ghosts are fucking lit

[dreamy ledge]

Hey was it real or a dream I had that they were releasing an EC audio short story?

Post heresy

I swear I heard about it but I’ve seen nothing on it

I might just be fucking crazy

I swear I saw it announced with the new codex and showed off the new start collecting for CSMs and GSC

[glass sparrow]

There is an EC audio drama called "Perfection" if I remember correctly @dreamy ledge

[dreamy ledge]

I think that’s it

[glass sparrow]

Not sure if anything newer then that was released

[dreamy ledge]

Okay so here’s what I remember, that guy who usually does the thsi week on warhammer was like ‘to celebrate the codex we will be releasing 4 audio what Evers working up to the new codex release.’

‘Emperors children, word bearers, iron warriors, and black legion.’

[dreamy ledge]

Is it any good?

[glass sparrow]

Got it as part of the the Traitors and the Xenos audio drama collection. If I had to rate it, yeah I would say it was good. Not a listen that would make me fall in love with the EC but I still enjoyed it.

Word of caution though, the Eldar segment is primarily handled by Gav Thorpe so after the first listen through it might be better to skip right to the Tau and Ork portions.

On later revisits

[random marlin]

As you liked Krieg and I didn't, not sure how much my recommendations can be good for you. In recent Astra Militarum novels, I liked Steel Tread and I'm finishing Volpone Glory which was quite nice.

[sharp elm]

The Blue Bloods, is that it ?

[vast flume]

oh wow gaunt is 220cm tall

[random marlin]

Yep, that's it, the regiment appearing first in some of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels and antagonizing them.

[vast flume]

i thought he was a normal dude

[dreamy ledge]

I might check it out the , I’m already an EC fan

[sharp elm]

Someone knows if the Gaunt's Ghost series is over ?

in the last book I've read, the Sabbath Crusade wasn't over

[random marlin]

Afaik the series is still going, but I haven't read them all, so I'm not the most reliable source about it.

[vast flume]

i think its still going

last book came in 2019 but its supposedly not over yet

[sharp elm]

I was surprised when the dossier series started, since he didn't finished the main one

[tall phoenix]

Its ongoing

Abnett is just doing way too many side projects

Ghosts is more of a side thing for him at this point

[vast flume]

https://i.imgur.com/IUJEElB.png

[tall phoenix]

Its gonna be awhile off before he probably finishes it

[sharp elm]

Good to know

[vast flume]

large gaps in the last few books

[sharp elm]

he also need to finish the Bequin trilogy

[vast flume]

he wrote most of them 1999-2011 and then the last two books in 2017 and 2019 ;x

[tall phoenix]

also the Horus Heresy

hes doing the last book atm

[sharp elm]

Didn't he write for that occasionally more than systematically ?

[tall phoenix]

Kinda

he did the first HH book

now hes doing the last one

and some in-between

[dreamy ledge]

Holy fucking shit this isn’t bolter porn thsi is fucking guardsman slaughter porn

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME

BUT HOKY SHIT

‘A long sword of beauty stabbed though her breast bone down to the hilt.’

[vast flume]

hmm the 2nd gaunt's book reads like a bunch of short stories. a bit weird but i guess we're learning about the early adventures of the ghosts under gaunt

[glass sparrow]

Yeah the chaos side of the collection is handled pretty well

[sharp elm]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/sisters-of-battle-omnibus-ebook.html

Did anybody read it ?

Is it worht it ?

[oak pollen]

not really looking for any just so much as curious if they ever got a time in the spot light. so thanks for the info

[surreal current]

something xeno coming soon™️ according to Aqshy on stream

[vast flume]

theres hardly any reviews for those sister of battle books on goodreads

3.6/5-ish from the little that there are

[sharp elm]

It's a reading stream

[surreal current]

didn't hear it properly

[mellow knot]

I read them as individual books early on in my reading of the BL stuff and I like them very much.

[sharp elm]

Thanks for the advice

I'd like to express my hatred for the BL website

Why didn't they tag their books

No publishing dates and some books are straight up non available (I buy the ebooks)

[glass sparrow]

Guilliman before the Campanel: Brother please! We are not your enemy!
Guilliman After: Lorgar you bastard I will murder you with my BARE HANDS!

I love angry Guilliman so much, when he gets angry, he is fucking angry lol.

[trim wren]

Yess

[surreal current]

That goes for almost all primarchs

[leaden flower]

Do you guys know if there's a place online where I can read just a summary with the main events of every HH book? I've resumed reading after a long time, some 10 books in I arrived to Angels of Caliban which builds heavily on the previous DA books but my memory is a bit hazy as to the main events and characters in those books.

[drowsy urchin]

probably Lexicanum

[tall phoenix]

Lexicanum sometimes has the entire plot of a book written and sometimes doesn't sadly.

[void stirrup]

Angry Lorgar is kinda just "EHHHH" slappy fight sounds

[craggy sphinx]

sometimes it has an entire plot in it and sometimes its bad

[void stirrup]

best part of First Heretic was Curze saving him, then shit talking him

[craggy sphinx]

daemoncaluba

for example

or that was its own book i forget

[void stirrup]

That was one of the Ultramarine 40k books

The Uriel Ventris stuff. He rides a Daemon Choo Choo to a world in the warp, finds multiple renegades stranded on the planet, which happens to be a IW fortress world. IWs making new Astartes with the daemonculaba, and harvesting meat and skin from the normal humans. Skin to clothe the skinless new Astartes.

[craggy sphinx]

i am aware of the story and dont need reminders on what its about

[void stirrup]

oh

sorry?

[leaden flower]

That's just because Lorgar is a pussy.

[tall phoenix]

I guess him smashing the shit out of people with his mace doesnt count

[drowsy urchin]

Angry Guilliman though

that's something

[covert aspen]

that's not codex astartes adherant

[drowsy urchin]

doesn't matter if you wrote the book

[oak pollen]

literally the thinking behind him revising it lol

[harsh spoke]

Haven't read any world eaters

Any good audiobook recs

I've listened to a handful and really like the black crusade ones

Great voicing

[glass sparrow]

There is the recent Kharn one that was released on Audible that is pretty good.

[thorn bison]

There's Kharn: The Red Path

[glass sparrow]

I forget the name of it, but there is a Audio Battle Drama that has Kharn and the Chapter Master of the Dark Angels fighting in it. Fair warning though, it turns more into Kharn hunting the DA down and butchering anyone that gets in his way more then a prolonged duel.

[glass sparrow]

for me at the very least, Lorgar beating the shit out of someone isn't all that surprising to me as it is made pretty clear he is more likely to show his true emotions more so then almost any other primarch. Guilliman however is often shown as being fairly in control with how he presents himself and seeing him blow up is quite the 180.

[thorn bison]

I like how Rogal Dorn is constantly underestimated and always comes out on top because of it

Alpharius thought he was better and died because of it

Fulgrim basically died but since he's immortal he just ran away like a coward

Then Dorn slaughtered EC 40 or 50 greatest champions by himself

I think there was a templar there somewhere helping out as well but I can't be sure

[glass sparrow]

was this in the most recent Siege of Terra book?

because I have not even begun to touch that series

[thorn bison]

Saturnine

Amazing book

The only Siege book I've read

[glass sparrow]

it's kind of funny how anyone would underestimate Dorn and the Imperial Fists

there is a reason the notion that Horus would be weary of assaulting any fortress Dorn was defending sticks out to me from the first book in the HH series

and I feel like the templar you mentioned might have been Sigismund

[thorn bison]

Yeah but construction and one-on-one combat are two different things keep in mind

[thorn bison]

he probably was

A smith and a knight are not the same thing, so to speak

[glass sparrow]

that's true, but Dorn was chosen to essentially be the last line of defense for a reason.

[thorn bison]

Fair, but Fulgrim was known to be the best swordsman out of all the primarchs

And he didn't get a single hit in on Dorn

Sorry spoilers for Saturnine

[glass sparrow]

by his standards or by all of the primarchs standards.

because I know the Khan outright said he was better then Fulgrim and would beat him into the ground.

[tall phoenix]

To be fair, Khan says that to anyone

hes arrogant as hell lmao

[glass sparrow]

yeah

yeah he is

[tall phoenix]

Hes too busy doing the:

[thorn bison]

This was daemoncorrupted Fulgrim btw, which is how he didn't die from all those mortal wounds

Y'know, snake daemon Fulgrim

[glass sparrow]

yup, would be hard for him to fight mortal Fulgrim since y'know, he's been a demon primarch for almost half the book series before the siege lol

[tall phoenix]

Alas the worst aspect of becoming a daemon primarch

you get no character 💀

no wonder Lorgar just bailed

[glass sparrow]

no wonder Perturabo has been sleeping on his demon world for almost 10k years

[thorn bison]

First time Lorgar and daemon Fulgrim met Lorgar immediately beat Fulgrim to the ground

He didn't trust daemon corruption at all

Hypocritical, I know

[glass sparrow]

"here comes Lorgar, with the Steel Chair!"

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/steel-chair-gif-19049284

[glass sparrow]

it is scary how fast you had that ready

[tall phoenix]

[thorn bison]

https://tenor.com/view/ufc2021-ufc-commentators-shocked-gif-21314370

[tall phoenix]

but its the same reason I dont blame Perturabo for bailing

his situation was literally a Team Fortress control point match but all your team doing is doing taunts at the spawn and walking into enemy sentry nests

[glass sparrow]

Perturabo plays the objective, everyone else was stat padding

[thorn bison]

There is no description of the Siege more accurate than this

[tall phoenix]

Lmfao I try my best

because we all have been in Perturabo's spot at one point in a PVP match

people gave him a lot of shit for his decision but he did the right thing even as a traitor primarch

https://tenor.com/view/antisocial-introvert-bye-swanson-im-going-home-gif-10597657

[thorn bison]

I love as well how the Alpha Legion just has people ready on Terra to start spreading terror

They've been there since the start of the crusade and yet

they knew

[agile hedge]

Tbh the man literally had to lead the Siege on Terra, manage his legions while taking in account his brother's legions and having to stand their Chaos antics

[tall phoenix]

Yep hence my TF2 example

every person at one point had that point of "Im doing all the work, fuck you guys"

[agile hedge]

Imagine doing all of that .. as the medic yeah

[tall phoenix]

oof

[glass sparrow]

Flugrim: Spy main. Alpharius: Spy Main, Aangron: Soldier main, Horus: Soldier main, Curze: Spy main, Mortarion: Heavy main, Magnus: Sniper main.
Lorgar and Perturabo were the jack of all players of the traitor legions.

[agile hedge]

Like a real TF2 team, too many spies

[glass sparrow]

now that I think about it, would Fulgrim be a Spy main or would he be a Scout main?

[thorn bison]

Scout because he thinks he's the best looking when he isn't

[indigo tendon]

More of a question for the Horus Heresy codexs, are there any rules for specifically Luna Wolves?
Asking since I wanna make an army of them but I don't know.

[drowsy urchin]

Sons of Horus rules section has a couple "Loyal" legion rules which are in essence Luna Wolves rules

so you'd want the Liber Hereticus

many legions have allegiance locked rules but many are not so you can field almost any legion as a loyalist or traitor

[indigo tendon]

Thank you!

[drowsy urchin]

No problem, you can also check someone like GMG who did a review of each legion separately and pretty much goes through which traits or units are loyalist or traitor as well

https://youtu.be/h8qOj88sdOk

[indigo tendon]

Thank you again ^^
I'll have a look when I ger back home.

[vast flume]

im reading ghostmaker and in each of the short stories of this book they keep losing more and more tanith lol

how many are left by the end of the book :/

i bet its just gaunt and like 15 of them

[leaden ibex]

the liber hereticus has been a treat to read through

they really went all out with the horus heresy relaunch, and i am all for it

[tall phoenix]

They get new members all the time

just dont grow too attached

Abnett is a grim writer lol

[vast flume]

yeah but only a couple thousands tanith were rescued

they have a very finite number of them that you can kill off

but i guess he just keeps killing them off because the readers dont keep count anyway

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much

new tanith appear tho since he cant really kill them all

[random marlin]

Well there are reasons why the regiment doesn't just disappear, but I guess it's best if you find it out while reading. 🙂

[vast flume]

first interaction of cybernetics with sea salt in the 2nd gaunt book... youd think by 40000 they would figure how to protect electronics from water ._.

[drowsy urchin]

high end stuff for sure, something for a lowly guardmen? Maybe not so much

[glass sparrow]

an officer for sure will get some high end augmetics, a grunt? hell no

there is a few ghost I swear people would riot if they ever die at this point.

I don't know how I would feel about listening or reading about Larkin or Milo or Mkoll dying.

[thorn bison]

Mkoll ||can't die, he's immortal||

Milo ||was already presumed dead for a while before he came back with the Saint||

And Larkin ||will die of natural causes like Dorden||

Spoilers btw

[glass sparrow]

I am up to date on the current book for the series, I was just stating those characters as a hypothesis.

[vast flume]

I finished ghostmaker, wasn't too bad..

starting with the 3rd book today

[glass sparrow]

probably one of my favorite books to re-listen to out of the series available on Audible so far.

I've maybe listened to Necropolis somewhere between 4-9 times at this point

[vast flume]

why

[glass sparrow]

because it is a very well placed book? Because it's a solid choice to listen to as I work, because it has one of my favorite quotes from Gaunt in it.

I alternate between re-listening to Cain and Gaunt novels with a few 1 off novels as I wait for the next release in a series I am listening to.

and Necropolis just so happens to be one of my favorite to revisit

[agile hedge]

Necropolis is, in my opinion, where Dan's writing finally takes off and goes from good to great

[random marlin]

I agree that you definitely see a jump in quality with this novel, the worldbuilding that is one of Abnett's strong suits starts to shine here. It's a pity there's a poorly-written female character in there, but otherwise this one was really enjoyable.

I may criticize Dan Abnett for some things (the characters he loves are overpowered to the point of absurdity, the way he tends to rush the final scene/battle in the last pages, some writing habits he has, notably to ||kill a character at the end for shock value||, but I still find him very talented and skilled, notably in worldbuilding, action scenes and making characters relatable.

[leaden ibex]

i always really enjoyed the way Dan shows that even bog standard humans can really hold their own in a universe like 40k that has super soldiers and aliens that can melt your flesh off

iirc his run on the guardians of the galaxy comic book was really good as well.

[random marlin]

I find it a bit exaggerated at some point, like ||them killing a squad of Chaos Space Marines group without any casualty, or killing the nine Chaos "chosen", who are supposed to have perfected their art during thousands years, but each of them gets killed without breaking a sweat by their Gaunt's counterpart||, but I understand the appeal. There's an 80's action movie side in some of the novels that I'm not too big a fan of, but it's a matter of taste. And I stopped reading (for now) after having read His Last Order, so I don't know how much things are different/the same in the following novels.

[toxic nebula]

that is the early books, and the "without losses" isn't exactly accurate, theres plenty of losses just most of them aren't named yet

[random marlin]

I was referring to a specific book, I think it's ||Traitor General, where they are on a "suicide mission" on a Chaos-controlled planet and 10 Gaunt's Ghosts (arguably the best of the best) take out 5 Chaos Space Marines without any loss. And it turns out that they complete the suicide mission without any loss either. I found this one frustrating, I'm always having a hard time when something is presented as a suicide mission and in the end nobody dies at all. But that's probably just me.|| Also bear in mind that I tend to dislike overpowered characters, so that's probably why this annoyed me so much. I understand that I'm probably in the minority about this and that's a matter of personal taste. Beside that, I still find the GG series very enjoyable and entertaining, and Dan Abnett is definitely one of the best BL writers.

[thorn bison]

They did lose someone though

||Mkvenner never returned and though it is vaguely insinuated that he is still alive I don't think he could have survived past that book||

[quick onyx]

I totally understand the sentiment of not liking overpowered characters, it's why I generally find space marine books boring. I think the thing about Gaunt's Ghost is whether or not the reader buys into the tactics and cunning the Ghosts use to overcome insane and otherwise suicidal situations. Personally, I bought into it and found it a refreshing change from the Horus Heresy books. I much prefer stories of ordinary people overcoming and enduring terrible threats to superhumans who basically are immune to fear.

But it's also been a few years since I read any 40k novels, I might have a different take on a re-reading

[glass sparrow]

Giving Sabbat Wars a listen; it's an anthology for the GG series. Only a 3rd of the way through and it's pretty good.

[glass sparrow]

I did not expect a murder mystery short story in this anthology. Was pretty good.

[drowsy urchin]

Someone shared this with me and couldn't agree more

[void stirrup]

@random marlin you make it sound like they each duelled CSMs and won. They knew the CSM were coming, outnumbered them, and used the local chaff, I mean patriots.

The only overpowered character who I cannot begin to take seriously is Mkoll. He is a meme

"I tied/beat 3 Space Marines in a completely even duel, simultaneously". "I held off over a thousand enemy soldiers. Alone. And lived. Over 300 of them didn't". "I helped bring down a Chaos Lord, no injuries".

[thorn bison]

Mkoll is blessed by the emperor

He is the true saint Sabbat

We just haven't noticed yet

[random marlin]

I think it depends of your level of suspension of disbelief. The thing is that, for most of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels I read, the style wavers between a pure military, kinda realistic Band of Brothers tone and a more heroic, 80's action movie where OP heroes mow down waves of mindless enemies, tone.

I like the first tone better, so when ||these 10 GG kill 5 Chaos Space Marines without any meaningful casualty in what is supposed to be a suicide mission||, this doesn't work for me. I felt the same when ||9 Chosen of Chaos were sent against the GG and all of them were killed in one paragraph by their GG's counterpart. In the end, where I'm at, Lijah Cuu has killed more GG than Chaos itself.|| This kind of defuses the tension for me. But I completely understand if it works and is enjoyable for others. And this doesn't detract from the fact that the GG series is great on many aspects.

[random marlin]

I don't see the point of Exterminatus when you can just send Mkoll. 😛

[random marlin]

GG are probably a step down compared to Space Marine books, for sure!

When you say that you much prefer stories of ordinary people overcoming and enduring terrible threats, that's exactly why I love the Imperial Guard, in the sense that they're just ordinary humans confronted to threats that surpass them in every ways... They have all these human emotions, but they still try to fight and stand (well, most of the time!) anyway. That's what I find fascinating and compelling with them. But GG are so elite that I don't see them that way, they're just so powerful that it doesn't really work for me. That's also why I find Kriegers uninteresting as they're basically emotionless killing machines, in a universe where there are already a lot of fanatical, emotionless killing machines.

[void stirrup]

Feel like you miss a great deal, or make assumptions and refuse to release them. Kriegsmen aren't unfeeling or emotionless

They are an entire culture taught from birth or creation (for those born from machines) they are awful, guilty of high crimes, and that only death in service can redeem them. They aren't given NAMES unless they achieve feats of incredible valor

My favorite books with them aren't their own, but the few they pop up with others. When others reflect they have incredible valor, or they stop to save someone. They care. They want others to lead good lives.

They just are a great example of why the Imperium as an organization is AWFUL

while still having heroes in it that do amazing things

[random marlin]

I read two books about them, both by Steve Lyons, Dead Men Walking (that I enjoyed a lot as it was very satirical) and Krieg (that I disliked as the satirical aspect was removed compared to the previous one), both by Steve Lyons. Which books or other sources did you read?

In these two books, the Kriegsmen aren't named, no matter how much they rise in ranks. They are emotionless in the sense that they only focus on serving and dying for the Emperor in the most efficient manner possible and aren't shown having any other emotion. It's also stated that they kill each other during training on Krieg and that they don't have any sense of camaraderie, and are not shown having any other emotion. They will protect civilians only if ordered to do so, if the survival of these civilians are deemed a good thing for the Imperium, and will abandon them with no second thought of the orders change.

They don't have emotion about it. It's not evil or good, they just do what they're told. That's why I find them emotionless, and I have a bit of a hard time understanding people identifying with them.

However, I find them aesthetically interesting and, to me, they carry a strong message about fanaticism and the loss of humanity. As a Frenchman, I've visited various museums about WWI and seen the horrors that happened during it, as well as all the propaganda going on at that time. The Kriegsmen are a good, satirical way of conveying this message.

However, maybe this is Steve Lyons's take on it and other authors depict the Kriegsmen differently?

[tall phoenix]

yeah Lyons is like the only person in existence that writes for Krieg

and with their latest book being so mediocre its a bit lol

[obtuse elm]

lyons is definitely on the emotionless flesh automatons side of krieg, whereas sandy mitchell's portrayal is more akin to a general 'off' but still human soldier that's comfortable with death but not actively seeking suicide

[random marlin]

Well I understand better the difference between Aodyri's perception of the Kriegsmen and mine then. If their perception is based on Sandy Mitchell's vision of it, as it's part of the Ciaphas Cain's series, I'm going to assume it's more comedic/human than the grim version of Lyons.

Lyon's Krieg has been released at the same time than the new plastic Kriegsmen, which had given me the feeling that GW was saying "here's the latest, updated version of Krieg and its lore". As I disliked the book, which takes the universe at face value rather than approaching at least part of it as a satire, just like Honourbound before it, reading it was quite... uncomfortable.

[desert carbon]

I just found something ancient while cleaning my bookshelf

[sick isle]

Lol the things you find while cleaning.

[steep niche]

oh yes this is exactly how I feel

[slender fulcrum]

cast it into the fire... destroy it!

[thorn bison]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-no-nope-nah-never-gif-16208499

I love finding stuff that was long thought lost

[midnight wind]

Got these two today and did not expect Cthonia's cover to look and feel so nice

[swift beacon]

Hard covers are hella sick

[glass sparrow]

So after finishing the Sabbat war anthology book; the only story that really felt "meh?" Was Tomb of Vichres. Everything else felt like it added something all together to the setting of the crusade and was enjoyable to listen to. If you have not read or listened to Salvation Reach to Anarch then I would hold off on getting this until you do so.

[thorn bison]

Sabbat War plays out before, after and during the GG books so finishing the main series first is indeed a good idea

[swift beacon]

indeed

[swift beacon]

is cadian blood canon?

because holy shit that was a good read

[drowsy urchin]

don't see why it wouldn't be

[swift beacon]

it’s old, so i assume it may tamper some of todays lore.

[tall phoenix]

2009

OOF

[swift beacon]

4 ||cadian guardsmen killing 3 death guards ||JESUS

[thorn bison]

That's Cadians for you!

Something something planet broke

Something something Cadia stands

[toxic nebula]

deathguard still die when they are killed

[waxen rapids]

Takes a while though

[sinful basin]

who has read the eisenhorn books ? imo one the best sci-fy adventure books i´ve read

im finishing Malleus atm

[swift beacon]

amazing series

[drowsy urchin]

and gets even better with bequin

[sinful basin]

i didnt know anything about her when i saterted the first book, the fact ||she was a blank made me realize she was here to stay, very usefull for someone who deals with the warp||. she and the adeptus arbites ... Fischig i think, are by far my fav part of the retinue. also the pilot||, but he dies by the sencond book arrives, his dauther is amazing though ||

the xenos of the first book are by far the most lovecraftian enemies i´ve read in all of 40k

[drowsy urchin]

Did you read ravenor yet

[thorn bison]

Is the Ravenor series still available in physical form?

[swift beacon]

not available where i am which is canada, i doubt it’s possible in north america.

[thorn bison]

Then it's a good thing I am not in North America

I might still have a chance

[sinful basin]

nope

im still with the dan abnet eisenhorn series, after this i think ill read pariah, the book he made for Bequin

btw, isnt ravenor one of eisenhorn interrogators ? ||the guy that almost dies by the sescond book parade but his brain survives ||@thorn bison

[thorn bison]

He is indeed ||but becomes an Inquisitor on his own after the accident||

[thorn bison]

He made two books for her so far, Pariah and Penitent

[sinful basin]

im omw to read pariah after i finish hereticus

[sinful basin]

yeah they say something to thet like in the second book||, that he is a very bright mind and does a lot of things even in that form. didnt know he kept working for the inquituion though ||

[thorn bison]

He's noted early to be a very powerful psyker so that might have something to do with it

||His body's destruction led to him developing his abilities even further||

[sinful basin]

i think i got spoiled for one of them||, regarding the identity of the yellow king beeing Valdor ||

[thorn bison]

I'm not gonna read that spoiler because I haven't actually read the Bequin books yet

But that's a pity

It's always a sad day when you get spoiled

[void stirrup]

Good call, that is the titanic spoiler and cliffhanger of book two.

[steep niche]

The question is will Pandemonium be released in this decade or do we have to wait until the 2030's. 🤔

[drowsy urchin]

Read ravenor trilogy before bequin, it's part of the same series

[void stirrup]

Eisenhorn trilogy -> Ravenor Trilogy -> Magos (if it can hold your interest, weakest book in the lot to me) -> Bequin books

Chronological order

Also, in my read through the Horus Heresy (posted here I was starting it about two weeks ago) up to Betrayer. Holy heck it changes some opinions. My favorites the Ultramarines are even more so my favorites, and Guilliman should have been Warmaster. Kharn is... Great. Angron is fun. The entire Word Bearers legion except Argel Tal should have been executed at Monarchia, including their whiny and childish Primarch.

[wind mulch]

Word Bearers cringe

[void stirrup]

Annnd the Emperor's Children are just as worthless as I always got the impression of. Perturabo ties with Angron for sympathy. Only two Traitor Primarchs I like. The only traitor who could stand toe to toe with Papa Smurf, who CARED, who wasn't siding against the Emperor, but WITH Horus. And everyone already goes on about what Angron could have been without the nails. Anywho, having a blast. Think this is book 24 of 54, not counting the siege. Ways to go.

Have my Imperial Guard army (5000+ points) painted as Ultramar Auxilia, and both my Primaris and HH SM armies as Smurfs. I love my efficient, practical, decent human beings in a universe of craziness.

[drowsy urchin]

The whole Ultramarines/Word Bearers/World Eaters saga is one of the best story lines in the Heresy

[glass sparrow]

I am kind of sad that there isn't any books for 40k narrated by Todd Mclaren. I think he'd do a pretty good job.

For those who don't know who I am talking about and don't care enough to google him; He's narrated a good number of Halo books, and I guess you can say is the VA for Book Master Chief.

[drowsy urchin]

he sounds too american

[thorn bison]

Sounds like he could use a dash of British in his narration

[glass sparrow]

in the grim dark future, there is only British

[magic sable]

Unless you're a Night Lord, in which case you're vaguely eastern european

[vocal quest]

Or a White Scar.

Kinda surprised there isn't some sort of Samurai themed Guard planet. But I guess that'd kinda step on the toes of the Tau.

[red steppe]

Homebrew+Kitbash with some other miniature game (or a 3d printer) 😛

[clear mortar]

on amazon u can find it

[timid cove]

Apologies for the delay! Book club details headed in this channel this evening! Been away! ❤️

[wintry tinsel]

So whats the difference between this and lore chat then

[random marlin]

Well, we speak more specifically about books that we read or are reading, the lore chat is more general, covering lore from the tabletop, video games, Youtube videos and so on? At least that's how I interpreted it.

[wintry tinsel]

Most of the actua lore is from the books so it was just confusing to me

Can't recall any instance of game or such that would be considered canon

[random marlin]

Yes, I get how that can be a source of confusion.

However, it seems to work as I see in the lore chat that the latest discussions have been focused on the Total War Warhammer game, the Adeptus Mechanicus game, "lore-memes", and the latest article about the Votanns from the Warhammer Community site for instance. And it doesn't stop anyone from citing lore from books in the lore section.

I have the feeling that when you want to discuss about the lore in general (including info coming from books), it'll be in the lore chat, and when you want to discuss about a book in particular, or a serie of books, it takes place here. That's my read on it.

[toxic nebula]

this is a book club for books, lore chat is for discussing lore

[wintry tinsel]

[toxic nebula]

theres more to discuss in a book than lore

theres a story/characters

[copper sphinx]

bookclubs are for discussing the book everyone read, the story, character and development, even the author. lore chat is just all lore

[dreamy ledge]

Is the shrike book good?

[vestal hedge]

I'm new to 40k I've been watching LUETIN09 almost everyday for about a month now. Which book should I download first on audible?

[thorn bison]

I'd recommend the Dawn of Fire series

It covers the Indomitus Crusade which is the most recent event

They're also really damn good

[vestal hedge]

Thank you kind soul I shall look into it

[steep niche]

Ciaphas Cain no doubt.
I also recommend Gaunts Ghosts and Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin but Ciaphas Cain is not only very funny but also very beginner friendly imo.

[agile hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601926113958166538/994584712427348008/unknown.png

👀

[tall phoenix]

Theres a woman on the cover

oh no

[velvet karma]

dilara says woman are cringe

[tall phoenix]

AAA-

[mellow knot]

Should be a good one.

[thorn bison]

There's a flamer on the cover

This will be a good book

[timid cove]

@here

Oi, librarium rejects!

The Inquisition moves amongst mankind like an avenging shadow, striking down the enemies of humanity with uncompromising ruthlessness. When he finally corners an old foe, Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn is drawn into a sinister conspiracy. As events unfold and he gathers allies – and enemies – Eisenhorn faces a vast interstellar cabal and the dark power of daemons, all racing to recover an arcane text of abominable power: an ancient tome known as the Necroteuch.

Our book club begins today! This month, the book club will be reading the first book in the Eisenhorn Trilogy: Xenos!

This is an excellent entry point for those new to 40k or Abnett's work, and our narrative director highly recommends it as the Darktide lore starting point!

You can pick it up from the Black Library here: https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/xenos-ebook.html, or wherever books are sold. 🙂

Here's how this will work:

• Pick up the book and begin reading!
• You can discuss at any point in time in the server, but make sure to ||spoiler|| your SPOILERS!
• At the end of the month, I will schedule a "coffee chat" for the server to discuss cool parts, lore, and maybe give something special to those who participate (you gotta' read the book, though!).

Cheers; and let's begin turning those pages! 🙂

[amber orbit]

[lime lintel]

just finished that trilogy a bit ago

[lunar narwhal]

[lime lintel]

amazing books

I’m reading ravenor now

[hearty niche]

I have heard good things about them, perhaps I should use my audible credit while painting

[timid cove]

I will ping you all, and you will like it.

[worldly shuttle]

did you really just @ here

[cedar citrus]

YES IM READY FOR MY FIFTH READTHROUGH

[lean sundial]

crazy timing

[cedar citrus]

LETS GOOOOO

[soft smelt]

let's go BABY

[lean sundial]

just ot the book

[turbid swallow]

ok get blocked

[native vector]

[tawdry compass]

Dan Abnett stays goating

[hybrid tendon]

[distant mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-discord-ping-anime-girl-gif-17590897

[random marlin]

The premise seems interesting, actually it looks a lot like something I've planned to do on my W&G IG-focused campaign, with a regiment coming back to its home planet with it having changed a lot. Going on my to-read list!

[woeful blade]

i cant read

[quiet lichen]

Recently came across my old Omnibus edition from 2005 in a box of old books. A+

[thorn bison]

Time to be surprised at the plot twists again!

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-lee-super-kazuya-kazuya-gachimuchi-gachi-gif-22029354

[grand widget]

[jaunty stratus]

spoiler the spoilers? instruction unclear, book stuck in toaster

[tawdry forum]

another hobby taken over by big paper and the book lobby

[hearty niche]

IS THIS A MUH FUCKIN 40K BOOK CLUB? SIGN ME UP

[fresh sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411942897102094337/887874806312239164/peep.gif

[lavish tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/pbping-pbping-pointless-pbping-detector-pb-gif-24420804

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachimuchi-billy-ready-billy-billy-herrington-gif-22011020

[unreal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/amazing-world-of-gumball-gif-18036905

[rose silo]

Gives me an excuse to crack open this bad boy.

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-fist-gachimuchi-team-gif-21227013

[woeful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beating-up-lilo-fight-beat-up-beat-down-gif-19482217

[timid cove]

The fact you all haven't unlocked the "suppress everyone and here" skill yet is quite astonishing actually. It's CM 101.

[lunar narwhal]

aw

it depreciated

[smoky pawn]

Thanks for the @ so have one back

[wraith tangle]

Does it exist as an audiobook?

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachimuchi-billy-billy-herrington-aniki-gif-22392976

[thorn bison]

I love how people are finding out about #40k-book-club now while some of us have been here for ages

[native vector]

🤓 no memes or gifs please!!!

[tall phoenix]

Lmao ikr

then whining about it

[timid cove]

Looks like it does.

[short slate]

yea and the narrator is pretty good

[lunar narwhal]

they arent memes, they are gachi

[fickle falcon]

She looks eerily similar to Aradia Madellan

[timid cove]

Don't make me turn the gifs off for this channel, bois

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachimuchi-what-gif-13510852

[obsidian moat]

can you get like a "reading" role or whatever i dont want to be pinged ngl sorry

[tawdry forum]

man it sucks i missed that box when it was for sale

[hearty niche]

I needed a break from Horus Heresy anyway, will pick up and read religiously

[exotic mason]

Y E P porn

[thorn bison]

That's just the standard unform for Primaris psykers

[lunar narwhal]

all what ive been doing is posting gay porn stars

ive done nothing wrong

[desert carbon]

you know you can disable all but 1 channel to being pinged right?

[fickle falcon]

Yeah I got lucky on that one but missed some other boxes ended up paying a premium

[round bough]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-some-funny-shit-thats-funny-thats-hilarious-thats-amusing-entertainment-gif-15029335

[tall phoenix]

I guess moving the mouse and muting a channel is too hard 😔

[hearty niche]

Well, good by gifs

[jaunty stratus]

"I'm Commander Shepherd and this is my favourite Book Trilogy!"

[hearty niche]

We deserve this

[hollow vessel]

nani

[hearty niche]

no ping

no

[forest monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBSWrsIsS0

[native vector]

[brittle rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934062419733536768/980959346802446427/20220517_033706.gif

[tall phoenix]

Owned

[unborn oak]

You fools. What have you done. You've drawn the hordes' attention to this place.

[primal ridge]

🗿

[round bough]

In my experience direct pings will always have fun/bothered responses about being pinged. Just how it goes on big servers but being bothered about it in following posts- even including threats to remove gifs definitely doesn't help and even instigates/exacerbates the issue. Cheers

[hearty niche]

hi can I steal ur genes

[hollow vessel]

heresy?

[fickle falcon]

It is, but I don't know any recent female sculpts. Wouldn't surprise me if they repackage her like Daedalosus and sell them as separate models in a few months

[fresh sun]

but if i mute a channel or disable everyone pings how will i show off my incredible humor by acting annoyed and posting dumb crap

[tall phoenix]

Anyway time to look away for like 10 minutes as every lurker goes back to their hole

[timid cove]

Keep the channels clean please, ty

[spring kayak]

skitter skitter

[tawdry forum]

might end up trying to find recasts if they aren't gonna be putting it out again, the lil tech priest was nice

[hearty niche]

"That's the neat part, you don't."

[limber comet]

hmm...

[hollow vessel]

Anyway, was there another book after the Bequin book?

Kinda lost track

[rose silo]

Penitent.

[fickle falcon]

Yeah, a shame they nerfed him into a generic techno-archeologist :( His old profile was a bit over powered for the points, sweet character in the novels tho. Love his interaction with the named Jokaero

[rose silo]

There's a third being written as well.

[tall phoenix]

Yeeee

[tawdry forum]

he's in novels? huh neat

[thorn bison]

Penitent and Pariah

[fresh sun]

Well, I was looking for an excuse to start the Eisenhorn series so here I go I guess

[tall phoenix]

Abnett is busy with Siege of Terra atm

[balmy spade]

What was I pinged for

[hearty niche]

Did a get a ping here nanj

[fickle falcon]

Blackstone Fortress Ascension novel

[tawdry forum]

meh i just thought he was a cool sculpt

[tall phoenix]

writing the last one

[hollow vessel]

makes sense

[tawdry forum]

aaaaa i forgot BF got novels

they any good?

[sweet cove]

irresponsible discord management

[fresh sun]

I picked up the Gaunt's Ghost omnibus with the first three books, I kinda petered out with the second

[barren nacelle]

Whomst has pinged me.

[hollow vessel]

huh, Penitent is 10 years old

[tall phoenix]

They are great

only 3 novels iirc

[hollow vessel]

ah. ha. ha hah

[tall phoenix]

lots of short stories

[balmy spade]

Oof

[blissful herald]

Pingeth?

[fickle falcon]

The second book in the series is pretty sweet, the first a bit predictable. Would rate n1 7/10, second half of second book a 9/10. Lot of funky xenos like Zoat, Jokaero and other goodies

[tall phoenix]

but Novels are the bigger recommendtaiton

[hollow vessel]

sorry, Pariah is 10

[thorn bison]

They get much better by the second Omnibus

[tawdry forum]

mmmm, they better have the damn zoat in them

ayyyy they do

nice

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/chungus-pinged-ben-shapiro-discord-big-gif-21424212

[thin anvil]

[fresh sun]

That's...a lot of omnibooses

[tawdry forum]

oh wait i did read the first one, the kroot was cool

[reef lily]

who pinged me?

[obtuse sierra]

[reef lily]

did somebody @ everyone?

[fresh sun]

Scroll up my guy

[barren hound]

idk

[hearty niche]

Probs.

[timid cove]

The CM, yes. Me

[runic fiber]

Check the pins and feel free to join in book club shenanigans

[balmy spade]

Oof

[thorn bison]

Aqshy is causing trouble in our little house of literature

[hearty niche]

Also I love abnett books

[runic fiber]

I can’t read so I’ll not be involved but it should be fun

[woeful blade]

anyway its been real but back to being illiterate

[hearty niche]

But I cba to (re)read Eisenhorn

[reef lily]

I read Xenos a while ago, was a fairly decent read

[hearty niche]

Something about how eisenhorn is written

Makes my brain rot

[fickle falcon]

Yeah the kroot returns in part 2 aswell. Most events from the second novel didn't make it on any wikis or fandoms. Has a lot of crazy things like alcoholic jokaero and some nice intel on augmetics and ascension. Probably my favourite series altho mainly for the lore. It is a bit predictable at times but gives a nice look into the blackstone fortress and chaos corruption

[static turret]

it's been ages since I read Xenos

[reef lily]

the intro of the book was a little hard to follow but once it got into things it was pretty cool

[hollow vessel]

I prefer Cain even if the style stays almost the say volume to volume

[fresh sun]

Don't SPOIL it

[hollow vessel]

Consistency works

[static turret]

I'm still trying to work my way through Magos (the accident 4th novel)

[reef lily]

Personally I enjoy Gaunts Ghosts more than Eisenhorn as a series

[molten violet]

WHO DINGED

REEEEEE

[reef lily]

check pins

they decided to start a book club

[robust jacinth]

[thorn bison]

the book club has been here for ever it's just the reading club that's new

[tall phoenix]

I like how people complain about pings yet barely ever appear or do anything in the server too

[reef lily]

The only thing that started to irritate me about Gaunts Ghosts was the way some characters evolved into memetic badasses that were incapable of death.

[runic fiber]

Remember to suppress your notifs if you don’t like pings

[thorn bison]

Mkoll

[fickle falcon]

If you enjoyed the first book, the second one (and mainly second half of the second book) will be great

[reef lily]

Like, I love Mkoll, but he should have fucking died in Anarch

[tall phoenix]

Not enough brain power for that

[thorn bison]

nah he's immortal

[reef lily]

I was literally screaming as I read Anarch

[thorn bison]

can't kill Mkoll

Gaunt not dying is understandable but everyone else should have died by now

[reef lily]

Mkoll would could 1v1 Abaddon and when asked how he would reply "Scout Training"

[runic fiber]

Also pls try to keep spoilers for books hidden/spoilered ||like|| ||this||

[tawdry forum]

ah neat, maybe ill try and find a pdf somewhere

[reef lily]

to be fair, most of them have died

it's just fucking Mkoll

[static turret]

yeah, I haven't even started Anarch
I'm not ready for the end

[random marlin]

Same thing for me, just can't stand Mkoll because of this. Abnett reminds me of a GM with some of his favorite NPCs who would always say "but he survives at the end" or "and he defeats the dragon on his own" and stuff like that.

[timid cove]

@runic fiber like that? 🙂

[runic fiber]

Wow

[timid cove]

[thorn bison]

I just miss the magnetic crossbow guy

[runic fiber]

[wooden harbor]

who ping

[fickle falcon]

It is pretty cheap, bought my copy for like 8 euro/dollars, recently bought a limited edition of the second book for only 50 (which is almost below the original retail price), weirdly the first book as limited edition will cost 200+ :(

[wooden harbor]

[reef lily]

I love the series, I even like Mkoll, I just can't let it stand when Abnet throws up this fucking many death flags for him, then lets him walk away.

[timid cove]

I did. I am 99% sure only CMs and mods can use the big pings

except incan

[reef lily]

check pings

[timid cove]

he's always with big ping

[tawdry forum]

200? jeez

[runic fiber]

📈

[north oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-who-pinged-me-angry-gif-14512411

[wooden harbor]

yeah I did, but it seems to have disappeared

[split wren]

https://tenor.com/view/pinged-kazuma-kiryu-kms-gif-21938482

[tall phoenix]

Imagine buying physical books

[reef lily]

it's the Librarium Rejects post

[fickle falcon]

If by any chance you live in or near the netherlands I could send you my old copy of the second book as I received the LE version of it today

[runic fiber]

It’s been pinned

[reef lily]

Also fuck you physical books are great

[thorn bison]

It's the only acceptable way

[wooden harbor]

sweet ill look then

[timid cove]

Physical book was like; $30; went for the ebook instead 😦

[tawdry forum]

nah im fine i think i can find something

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I just get PDFs

because like

turkish lira

💀

[thorn bison]

But physical copies are much cooler

[runic fiber]

I prefer stone tablets myself

[reef lily]

I love actually holding books in my hands and filling up my book case

[tall phoenix]

One BL book costs like a single Triple-A game for me 😩

[thorn bison]

this is the reason

[tawdry forum]

i will not be a slave to big paper

[wooden harbor]

ah yeah Eisenhorn stuff

the goods

[hollow vessel]

get the ebook for individual volume and buy the physical omnibuse

[runic fiber]

I fill up my bookcase so people will believe I’m literate

[thorn bison]

why physical books are the best are because they look and feel better

[tall phoenix]

I also got allergy to ink where the tips of my thumbs burn when I try to read a book lmao

[fickle falcon]

I do 2 but rarely go for a hardback or limited edition. Often paperbacks as second hand they only cost 2-6 each :P

[tawdry forum]

yeah might as well read eisenhorn

[fresh sun]

First they want me to touch grass, now I gotta touch paper? C'mon

[tawdry forum]

damn that sucks is it like the paper or the coating?

[reef lily]

paperback is good as far as I'm concerned

[tall phoenix]

I'm not too sure because my dad has it too

[runic fiber]

Get a tattoo and become god of fire

[reef lily]

I actually have a full wall bookcase of books

[thorn bison]

Same, but my wallspace is very limited

[fickle falcon]

Yeah, for some of the older series they all started with paperbacks. Bought the 1st print of the eisenhorn series pretty cheap that way (even tho they look all yellow and have some wear)

[wooden harbor]

I want a bookcase

[woeful blade]

beware the squids

[fiery jay]

The best 40k books are the ones that don't cram Astartes in as 'awesome super cool perfect warrior guys', and show that the imperium is the archetypical fallen ascendancy

[tall phoenix]

Astartes are basically the jedi of 40k

the moment they appear

[fickle falcon]

Yeah I'm not into bolterporn

[tall phoenix]

everyone groans

[tawdry forum]

yeah the imperium is more fun as a miserable setting tbh, all the main plot arc books i've tried have been not my thing

[runic fiber]

From my point of view the Astartes are evil

[wooden harbor]

Just remember that we dont talk about Jaq Draco.
Though the Inquisition series dealing with him set a lot of the tone for the Inquisition as a whole, they're uh...
they're pretty bad

[tawdry forum]

idk, use this excuse to actually read eisenhorn this time because i forgot halfway last time

[fickle falcon]

I enjoyed the BSF series for that reason, as it doesn't include any (loyalist) marines. Nice mixed cast of many factions 2

[runic fiber]

I might actually take the time to learn lore proper at some point

[fresh sun]

lmao "bolterporn" never heard that term before but that's a perfect name for it. Chef's kiss

[karmic tinsel]

boi lookin like megamind

[lunar narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/foss-no-bitches-no-hoes-0bitches-no-gif-24529727

o

did gif perms get removed

sadge

[tall phoenix]

I mean yeah

you were just spamming it

[karmic tinsel]

aww :c

[tall phoenix]

[fresh sun]

Yes, We Runied It™️

[reef lily]

For me, About 1.2 shelves are 40k books, about 2.5 shelves are star wars EU books, about 4 shelves are classic sci-fi (Dune, Asimov, Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, etc.), about 3 are fantasy (LoTR, Thieves World, Wheel of Time, etc.), and about 1 shelf, like .9 of a shelf is manga, which is just Berserk and Junji Ito, and then the last shelf is dedicated to HP Lovecraft and Stephan King.

[lunar narwhal]

jokes on them

ill just turn the gifs into emotes

[wooden harbor]

Inquisitor Jaq Draco who ||longs for genestealer ass|| and his partner Callidus who can only polymorph ||into a genestealer||

[lunar narwhal]

[karmic tinsel]

back to my non-40k books i go

[runic fiber]

Stealing jeans is based

[tawdry forum]

one day hoping for some half decent tau novels

the voice of experience was pretty good but just a short story

[tall phoenix]

The best part is she had to go through a horrific surgery procedure for that one

thanks Draco

[fickle falcon]

I haven't read any of those yet, only kroot/t'au I've read about so far is Dahyak Grekh :(

[wooden harbor]

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyep

[tall phoenix]

to be fair

Grekh is a legend

so

[thorn bison]

That's one hell of a collection, well done collecting (and presumably reading) all that

[wooden harbor]

heck

[fickle falcon]

Yeah I love him

[timid cove]

There's a permission for everything if you spam too hard. 🙂

[tawdry forum]

mmmm, personally not a fan of the farsight novels

[lunar narwhal]

[reef lily]

I can say with some pride, I've read everything on my shelf, except the Ravenor series... I bought it when I bought Eisenhorn but never got around to reading it.

[timid cove]

Also, your pfp is horrifying but I feel I know what that is

[fickle falcon]

Haven't read those yet, was hoping they were good as he is probably my favourite T'au character

[analog bobcat]

what the, library rejects

[runic fiber]

The farsight novels feel a bit shortsighted (I haven’t read them)

[tawdry forum]

ah im not a fan tbh

then again its not like there's a huge amount of tau characters to choose from

[reef lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971631656798658651/994630603834134569/Simple_as_Gud.png?width=675&height=662

The best Tau character

[wooden harbor]

that pfp is one hell of a trollface.

[tawdry forum]

lmao

[thorn bison]

I have about 20/100 I either haven't finished or haven't started which is shameful, I blame BL for always releasing new bangers to read

[fickle falcon]

I'm not too much into T'au and don't know much about them really :p But he sounded like one of the more relatable T'au I know of

[wooden harbor]

I am a bit ashamed to admit that the last 40k book I read was Devastation of Baal, Really good book, but man. it's been a hot minute.

[fickle falcon]

Have you read the short stories from the Vaults of Obsidian 2? (anthology linked to blackstone fortress)

[tawdry forum]

idk there was always gonna be an issue that they both originally wanted them to be like naive sciencey people who crash against the setting and more recently want to make them more insidious

like, those two writing tendencies come into contradiction a bit

[fickle falcon]

Aw :(

[wooden harbor]

that one renegade's last stand was so metal too

[tawdry forum]

and i always preferred the first which is a shame because they're moving away from it tbh

[runic fiber]

Tau are pretty cool tbh though they have some kinda lame brainwashing or w/e lore to make them grim dark™️ even though their caste system is dystopian enough

[tawdry forum]

yeah like, apparently they control an entire species with mindcontrol hats

just gets a little silly at points

[reef lily]

I mean, I've always kinda like the Tau's nature as being the least bad of the factions but still worthy of being the Evil Empire in any other setting.

[wooden harbor]

||KA'BANDHA! FIGHT ME!||

[runic fiber]

It’s very silly yea but 40k is what it is I suppose

[tawdry forum]

god i hope the vespid get a refresh model wise

[tall phoenix]

haha

no.

[runic fiber]

Maybe in 2367

[wooden harbor]

need to get into reading this CSM codex lore

[fickle falcon]

I tried to be the good guys, but over the last years slipped into joining the Emberg League. Building a chaos squat army now (along with a bunch of other squat projects)

[wooden harbor]

I got stuff to digest, gotta learn bout muh enemy

[tawdry forum]

yeah id agree with that, i kinda wished they'd like, do a novel series about their transition toward being more cynical and authoritarian

[reef lily]

That'd be fun.

[tawdry forum]

kinda why the premise of the tau is fun

[fickle falcon]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424220895192678403/988779899898691664/unknown.png|| Finished my first chaos squat noise marine about a week or 2 ago but haven't got to painting it

[tawdry forum]

yooooo

thats so cool

[solid dawn]

cringe ping

[reef lily]

Honestly I just want them to flesh out more Tau Lore in general. The amount of Tau Lore that is both hopelessly vague yet insanely OP is rather amusing.

[wooden harbor]

[reef lily]

The Tau need some more grounding.

[copper sphinx]

Eisenhorn is a cool book, wonder if i should reread them

[reef lily]

hmmm

[fickle falcon]

When did you read it? With it getting a tv show I might reread the books before it comes out