40k-book-club

[meager trench]

i've given the example of throne of light getting it's LE's signed ages before they were ever shipped, Witchbringer seems to have been written in 21 or 20

everyone was waiting on Regent's Shadow to finally come out and all Wraight could say on twitter was that he didn't control when it came out

[heavy juniper]

preview show for black library releases next year at next weekend should be interesting. 🙏 there's more interesting stuff than siege of terra book 8 part 1 releasedate, which is already known

[meager trench]

is it?

[heavy juniper]

I need watchers of the throne 3 🙏

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774702570181492758/1046537124037525564/IMG_0968.png

[meager trench]

no, end and the death p 1 release date

last i read was the war-com article a few months ago, and i was thinking it'd come around Christmas since that tracks with the time Echoes got it's preview article and when that came out

[heavy juniper]

it's in march https://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Death-I-8/dp/1800261209/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23CG0JXCWH9XU

[meager trench]

i remember amazon used to be kind of off with their release dates

maybe they're reliable nowadays

[heavy juniper]

yeah, think these have been correct for all the regular book store dates this year

garro siege novella in february. he better not die

[wicked tree]

I hope he doesn’t die. But falls to Nurgle

[heavy juniper]

falls to tzeentch just to annoy mortarion

[subtle briar]

I’m interested in reading a 40k book, never read one before and getting into it cuz of dark tide. Where should I start or what book should I start with?

[hearty niche]

I started with The Infinite and the Divine and loved it, it only focuses on the necrons but you get to see a bunch of factions from a completely different perspective

[subtle briar]

Ooo ok

I’ll look it up

[hearty niche]

if you want some space marine/imperium action read Horus Rising or one of the new ones like nexus or cadian blood

[subtle briar]

Oh okay

Not sure which ones are new and which ones are old

[hearty niche]

basically there's a really good book to start with every faction so ask around im sure you'll find some great stuff. Me personally I liked Horus rising

[subtle briar]

Will do. Sounds good

Didn’t realize they focused on factions

[hearty niche]

be advised it is a prequal to the events of 40k, 30k. More space opera-ish but huge cast of characters and lots of epic moments

reccomend sniffing around reddit for a 40k beginners reading list

[subtle briar]

I don’t mind space opera 🙂

Must have read my mind, trying that now

[hearty niche]

You can also try the omnibus editions (ik im kinda overwhelming so sorry)

[subtle briar]

Omnibus editions?

[hearty niche]

Ive heard people swear by the night lords (chaos space marines) one

[hearty niche]

a bunch of stories compiled together, usually follow one faction

[subtle briar]

Ooo ok

[hearty niche]

say, a single chapter of space marines or one dude's adventures

[subtle briar]

Oh nice

[abstract laurel]

Man we really should pin a post for new-to-40k-looking-for-book

[subtle briar]

Lol I checked pins first thing thinking there would be one

Reddit surprisingly doesn’t have any either. I see the same ones you listed as well as nightlords trilogy

[hearty niche]

try this! https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/crj90l/whats_the_top_10_must_read_books_in_the_black/

[graceful osprey]

the Eisenhorn novels are a common beginners recommendation. it's an inquisitor series which is understandable even if you don't know much and travels to different parts of the Imperium

they are written by Dan Abnett who consulted on the lore for Darktide

[abstract laurel]

I think he wrote the DT storyline/lore, not just consulted on it?

[graceful osprey]

idk if he wrote every single line in the game but correct

[abstract laurel]

I mean, yes, but still author of the storyline.

[crisp geyser]

thats not how abnett works in the past when it comes to warhammer videos which i would count the cutscenes/dialogue as

[abstract laurel]

There's a BL author on here, could ask her if we wanted to know

[crisp geyser]

he runs the storyline, and sort of letss it rip when it comes to details, hence the term "abnettverse" being a thing

There is? though as much as i love BL authors I dont feel I would get a consistent author from abnett to say mcneil or ADB

[abstract laurel]

Yep. They'd know how things happen at least.

[crisp geyser]

what do you mean by that?

[abstract laurel]

Like how BL authors operate for contracts like these

[crisp geyser]

so like if they gave it to Peter Fehervari instead of abnett it would function the same?

[abstract laurel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm sure there's a "usual" way these things happen

And of course, exceptions to the rule

[crisp geyser]

lmao.

k

[abstract laurel]

But it'll certainly be more informed than either of us speculating, so.

[crisp geyser]

Oh ya, I 100% agree that randos on the internet speculating dont mean anything compared to authors, but there are dozens of authors with hundreds of books so asking one, even abnett as to what works in universe doesnt work out super well in the grand scheme of things.

[abstract laurel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle briar]

Thank you for the information everyone I appreciate it

[random marlin]

Guys, I've tried and write a message which could be pinned for suggested books for someone discovering 40k. I have the feeling I'm forgetting stuff, so would you mind proofread it? And if you want to edit it, feel free to do it too.

Please notice that I didn't offer resources such as Youtube videos or websites as I've assumed the people asking here are primarily looking for books.

Here it goes:

I’m interested in reading a 40k book, never read one before and getting into it cuz of dark tide. Where should I start or what book should I start with?

It's easy to get lost as there are a lot of books, so here are possible entry points!

1) The novels/series usually recommended as a good introduction to 40k:

• The Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett: you follow an inquisitor during his investigations, and learn a lot about various layers of the imperial society. Did a lot of general worldbuilding for 40k.
• The Gaunt's Ghosts series by Dan Abnett: you follow an elite regiment of the Astra Militarum. Picture a mix between Band of Brothers and 80's action movies. Did a lot of worldbuilding for 40k and the imperial guard.
• The Commissar Cain series by Sandy Mitchell: want a lighter tone? Commissar Cain has your back! Follow a commissar with a big imposter syndrome, as he tries to stay away from any trouble and still ends up in the middle of it. A funny and witty take on the usually gloomy figure of the commissar.
• The Horus Heresy series by various authors. Want to know how things end up as they are in 40k? Then read this series taking place in 30k. It's a very long series (54 books and anthologies, and counting) with books of various qualities but tells the origins of 40k.

2) Faction Focus
Another possible entry point is to focus on a faction that has caught your interest. In this case, feel free to ask here what are the best books about this faction and there'll always be people here who'll be happy to help you. 🙂 Another way to know more about a faction is to buy the latest Codex about it. Codices are sets of rules focused on a specific faction for the WH 40k tabletop game, but it also includes a lot of info about the faction they're covering.

Where can I find these books and in what form?
They are available on the Black Library and Amazon websites in hardcover, ebooks and also on audible, narrated by professional voice actors.

Once the message seems good enough, I'll tag one of the community managers to humbly ask if it could be possible to pin it. I'm still encouraging people to ask questions in the message, the point is just to answer the most frequent questions. 😉

[mellow knot]

This is very awesome indeed - I will pin it now and if you want to edit it with further thoughts, I’ll leave it as-is so you can make the changes. Thank you for the effort, it’s very appreciated:)

[abstract laurel]

It looks good!

[mellow knot]

You rang?

[abstract laurel]

ah, there was just a general open question of how deeply involved with the writing an author gets when they get engaged to write lore for a game like DT

[random marlin]

Thanks a lot! 😊 And I'll be happy to improve it if there are suggestions, as English isn't my mother language, I'm sure some improvements could be made.

[mellow knot]

It probably helps that the whole writing team have a good general grounding and interest in the lore to begin with 🙂 But in the specific instance of DT, there’s been lots of conversations between us all.

[glass marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2WGE1L6WKs Great fan movie on Helsreach and the full novel is really good & definitely worth getting the audiobook as the narrator really gets into it (The narration in the fan film is from the audiobook). Also the baneblade stories following Bannick are great and if you like Deathwatch then Kill team Talon stories are amazing and the first novel Deathwatch is really interesting as talks about Deathwatch training also.

[thorn bison]

I'd like to add The Infinite And The Divine to the list for some diversity, seeing as the list currently only contains books about the Imperium

It's the perfect introduction to the grander universe and a completely different perspective from the human factions

[mellow knot]

Later, when I’m at a laptop and not on my phone, I’ll make a new post that I can edit as we go along

[glass sparrow]

I would add since I've recently listened to the first and the third books in the series, Blood of Asaheim and Hellwinters Gate. As you can guess it's about the space wolves but it is a story about a wolf returning from nearly 60 years of serving in the deathwatch and returning home and trying to find his place back into his old pack.

It's a decent story that also involves the wolves tracking down and settling a nearly 400 year old grudge that the church has had against the wolves.

[thorn bison]

Are these stories part of the Space Wolves Omnibus by any chance?

[glass sparrow]

I do not know

[thorn bison]

Shame, I'll have to check when I get home

I have the SW Omnibus but haven't read it yet and those books you just mentioned sounded really interesting

Hoped I wouldn't have to go searching for them

[random marlin]

I did see the Infinite and the Divine cited a lot here, sounds like it's a very good book, if it's good for someone new to 40k (and you seem to think it's the case), sure, I'll add it. 🙂

The only thing is that I'm limited in the message, but it should fit, maybe I can shorten some other sentences.

[random marlin]

Unfortunately, it'd be impossible to add books by faction, as there's a limit on characters for each Discord message and it won't fit, sorry. :/

I guess the solution could be to have one pinned message for each faction, but it'll have to be agreed upon by the higher ups. 😉

[mellow knot]

Where should I start with reading about the 40K universe?

With the much-appreciated help of @random marlin, who put together an original list of places to start reading to learn more about 40K, I've pulled everything together into a single location

https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/warhammer-40k-reading-starter-list/

I am happy to add further recommendations to this list - I ask that you just tag me here with your suggested title, the attributed author and a single paragraph (or preferably sentence!) why you think this is a good starting point.

Hope this list helps people to find their way through the startling number of choices to get into reading about Warhammer 40K - and thanks to all who make suggestions.

[mellow knot]

OK! I have now taken it upon myself to re-do the message that @random marlin did (thank you SO MUCH FOR THAT) and it's pinned. I'm happy to add to it, but if you have something you want to add, include a sentence as to why you think it's a good start point. But now you can refer people to pins when they ask that oft-asked question. 🙂

[random marlin]

I've been stripped of my work!

Just kidding, I think it's better if you're the one who's the author of the pinned message, this way it'll be simpler to keep it updated. And you're welcome, I'm glad I was able to help on something. 😉

One tiny question: do you run into the character issue with Discord, or as a warden you're not limited in texte size in a message, perhaps? 🤔

[mellow knot]

Oo, no idea. Guess I'll find out if we run out of space.

(I did credit you at the start, I hope that's OK. As you say, I thought it'd be easier if it was something I could easily update rather than harass you!)

[random marlin]

No worry at all @mellow knot, my bad, it was just a joke, and I'm sorry if there was any doubt about it. I should have used an emoticon to make it clear. Thank you for taking the time to take care of it and pinning the message so that newcomers will easily have access to it.

Now, what do you say if we test this space limit? 😉 Here's a suggestion for the genestealers cults:

• Day of Ascension by Adrian Tchaikovsky - genestealer cults. On a world ruled by the Adeptus Mechanicus, a Genestealer cult is on the verge of making its move to overthrow their mechanized masters who treat regular humans like cattle. Written from the point of view of a young woman who is a member of the cult and of a Techpriest in the opposing side, this is a great novel to see how a Genestealer Cult operates from the inside.

Feel free to edit as much as needed if it's too long.

[subtle briar]

What is the black library? And thanks for the pinned message now 🙂

[drowsy urchin]

store to buy GW novels and such

[mellow knot]

I might try something different a little later, but that will be later when I’m not on my phone

[subtle briar]

Oh okay

Barnes and noble has the eisenhorn omnibus, guessing that’s just all 3 books in one?

[modest acorn]

any heresy threat level players looking to unlock the every shot count penance? I need a group

[drowsy urchin]

wrong channel

[mellow knot]

Correct

[subtle briar]

Cool

[shell spruce]

If you like the eisenhorn series, you may want to check out the ravenor omnibus as well. There are several characters which feature in both, and it functions as a sequel to the eisenhorn series in a way

[subtle briar]

oh nice

i think i will start with the eisenhorn omnibus and go from there

[sweet surge]

not knowing anything about 40k back in the day i started with the ravenor omnibus because i got it gifted and then readin the eisenhorn afterwards was quite funny because you already know a bunch of characters

[abstract laurel]

There's a reading order (based on timeline of events) that's in the start of Magos too

[young sequoia]

are the ravenor books still in print at all?

[drowsy urchin]

doesn't look like it at the moment but GW/BL cycle their prints in and out every now and then so it may be again soon-ish

[sweet surge]

even if they arent it shouldnt be hard to still find them in store in both "physical" bookstores and online stores like amazon

and in the end theres always kindle i guess

i personally just need a physical book in my hands

everything else feels like heresy

[mellow knot]

Things are afoot! 🙂

[mellow knot]

OK, folks, I've edited the pinned message - #40k-book-club message

Please feel free to point people that way if they want the answer to the big question!

[glass lintel]

@mellow knot
Have you considered recommending any podcasts or such as a way to get interested in factions/books/the settings?

They're not exactly books or official content, but content from

Leutin
Oculus Imperia
Baldemort
PancreasNoWork
Really helped me a lot when multiple books mention lasguns, bolters, crusades, and lots of named vehicles, without taking the time to explain what they were or how they're used.

Plus: Adeptus Ridiculous has a book club.

[mellow knot]

I've added them - would you just clarify whether they're all podcasts or YouTube channels?

[glass lintel]

Leutin, Oculus Imperia, and Baldermort are various levels of "resource channel", in that it's typically a one-person narration or lecture.

Leutin is highly analytical and technical in the facts of the setting without much flair, but also covers much of the day-to-say lives of the Imperial citizens during his deep dives.

Oculus Imperia fills a similar niche, but is a bit more accessible. A touch more flair.

Baldermort is a lot more emotive in his speech, and even has their own sort of fan-fiction to provide context (a narrative) for the themes and purpose of what he's covering.

PancreasNoWork has a series called "Do Or Don't", which is terrific for learning about factions. They're far shorter, and cover the broad lore and media (how much content can you find for this faction? Are they written to constantly lose?) of the factions.

[mellow knot]

I've added them as a simple list with names: are they all searchable somewhere? YouTube channels?

[glass lintel]

All YouTubers, yes.

[mellow knot]

Awesome

Tyvm

[glass lintel]

I definitely needed their help to get through Ciaphas Cain and The Infinite And The Divine. Someone who narrowly bumbles through four-way factional conflicts and the other person who collects one of everything in the galaxy just . . . needs some encyclopedic help.

[frail beacon]

just read Harrowmaster, that was dope. any other good books come out recently?

already read the good necron books, echoes, and warhawk

and head of hydra

[thorn bison]

Rogal Dorn primarch novel was great

Deffo recommend that

[thorn bison]

If you like Dorn, that is

[frail beacon]

i dont dislike any of the primarchs so ill check it out, ty

[hollow temple]

Hey Guys! New to 40K, and I'm really willing to jump into any good books/novels/comics; I'm interested in any top picks you guys to have; which one would you recommend?

[meager trench]

check out the pins brochacho

[hollow temple]

Appreciate it!

[reef solstice]

ooh that's a point, any good comics/graphic novels?

[meager trench]

a lot of the older ones are somewhat heavily stylized, but they are decent. people have liked daemonifuge for a while, Titan was a pretty good read. I personally enjoyed the more recent Calgar and Sisters of Battle from Marvel

[mellow knot]

Can second this - they’re great

[graceful osprey]

the marvel license is relatively new

[heavy juniper]

will of iron / revelations / fallen are fun comics. inquisitor sabbathiel going after the dark angels, heretics that they are. she was also very recently transplanted into current 40k, the book awakenings by george mann came out a few months ago.

awakenings is a novel though

[unreal saddle]

If they want to learn more about Eldar then I'd suggest Path of the Eldar (Gav Thorpe) as a starting point. Path of The Dark Eldar (Andy Chambers) is also good, but its for the Dank Elves. There is Masque of Vyle for the Harlequins (Also by Andy Chambers), and I guess you could add Harlequin by (Ian Watson) if you want, but...he has a bit of a weird reputation in the 40k community. 40k TTS did a podcast all about his weird uhhh...stuff in one of his novels. Anyways. For Exodites there are no exodite centric books sadly.

For Chaos I'd suggest the Night Lords trilogy (ADB), The First Heretic (ADB again), The Talon of Horus and its sequal Black Legion (Once more by ADB) then the Ahriman trilogy (John French). There are a lot on Chaos since there is also a Word Bearers Omnibus (Anthony Reynolds) and Iron Warriors (Graham McNeill) one as well. If you want Emperor's Children then I guess go with the Fabius Bile trilogy (Josh Reynolds), but if I remember correctly he does his own thing? Still an EC, but not fully controlled by them.

Chaos goes into the Horus Heresy pretty heavily too, so you could suggest First Heretic then Betrayer (Once again ADB giving us chaos novels haha) since those two are linked as Horus Heresy Chaos novels I believe. I think the problem is that there is a ton of good Chaos novels to choose from, so I can't just suggest a select few series whereas the Eldar don't have a lot.

For Tau stuff I only really know of the Farsight stuff. Legends of the Dark Millenium: Farsight is the Novella that is suggested by the author to go first with then Blades of Damocles, then Blackthunder Mesa, then Farsight: Crisis of Faith, then Farsight: Empire of Lies, then Blood Oath, and finally War of Secrets. I know its a lot of stuff, but I just copied it from his tweet I can link you to xD (All of these are by Phil Kelly)

Orks I know there is...Brutal Kunnin (Mike Brooks) from what I know lmao

sorry for the wall of text, but I really like books despite spending most of my time on games

[mellow knot]

Amazing - I will add stuff onto the list. Thank you 🙂

[unreal saddle]

Any time. Most of these I haven't read. But I do know they're popular among the fans of said factions o3o

[glass lintel]

Nightlords kicks absolute ass but kinda transcends the faction and setting.

They could be enjoyed independent of knowing anything else about Warhammer, and feel a lot more like renegades struggling under pressure from both ends.

[mellow knot]

When you get a chance, will you edit your post with the relevant author names as well, please? Ta 🙂

[unreal saddle]

Sure lemme do that while eating some KFC <w<

[unreal saddle]

Okay edited to add the authors

[unreal saddle]

They could. Not every Traitor Legion does follow the Chaos Gods as fervently as the rest. So the Night Lords could be the weird problem children we all know and love them to be.

Ngl sorta tempted to just say tell people to go to ADB for anything Chaos for an introduction to the faction in general. Dude has written so much Chaos.

[drowsy urchin]

I'd love to go through The Infinite & The Divine a second time for the book club

[delicate pewter]

re: convo in #veteran-class
I'd also recommend Ciaphas Cain, though the tone might be a little jarring relative to the rest of the universe. It's good, potentially hit or miss depending on what you're looking for

I need to look into the Dark Imperium series 👀

[gusty harbor]

So since ive got no knowledge whatsoever of lore or anything related to 40k universe etc. recommend me what newbie like me MUST read 1st, even tho the games setting seems really interesting to me and i wanna read about that too

[delicate pewter]

(Not Imperium-related, but I just finished the Farsight duology a couple weeks ago. It's quite good 😄 )

Setting introductions? hmm

[radiant elm]

Dark Imperium was great time for me. Important to note that the first 2 books were re-released to fix the timeline. A lot of people still seem to think it's 112 years into the crusade.

[trim gale]

Gaunt's Ghosts was my first, it doesn't require extensive knowledge.

[delicate pewter]

I'd second the Eisenhorn -> Ravenor recommendation before, and definitely Gaunt's Ghosts in that context

You can get the omnibuses for pretty cheap

[trim gale]

Eisenhorn is also cool for the whole administration aspect and inquisition

While Gaunt's Ghosts is mostly imperial guards, fitting Darktide quite well.

[gusty harbor]

So gaunts ghosts, eisenhorn ✅

[delicate pewter]

GG was my first intro to the 40k setting from a book perspective (have read the 8th ed codices before), it does a really good job of introducing you

[radiant elm]

Another route in would simply be to pick up any Space Marine battle novel. That's probably what happened to 90% of us. Blood of Asaheim rep.

[trim gale]

I heard the space wolves novels were cool for an intro. Haven't read it yet tho

[gusty harbor]

What is the omnibus exact name ,m

?

[trim gale]

The Founding

You get the first 3 books of GG

I think Eisenhorn's first book is called Xenos ?

[unreal saddle]

That's the first novel.

[delicate pewter]

Xenos yeah

[unreal saddle]

Yee

[trim gale]

Ah yeah my bad

[delicate pewter]

Xenos -> Malleus -> Hereticus -> Magos

[gusty harbor]

Thats a lot of shit to read through damn

[trim gale]

Wait till you check the Horus Heresy books lol

[delicate pewter]

Oh yeah, and GG is an absurdly long series to boot

Abnett has mentioned before that he just can't do short-form, it must be big XD

[trim gale]

There's like 60 horus heresy books or so lmao

[delicate pewter]

(1.5m words and counting, iirc)

[trim gale]

GG have like what, 16 ?

[delicate pewter]

Yeah, 16

[unreal saddle]

Gaunts ghost is...an interesting series. The Sabbat crusade really does deserve all those novels lmao

[delicate pewter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaunt's_Ghosts#Publication_history

[trim gale]

But fortunately, you don't NEED to read all of them to appreciate it. You could stop at Necropolis (Book 3) and still be satisfied, imo.

[jaunty stratus]

So next book is two old skeletons having childish garden fence feud.
Was hoping we dive into the Cain series though

[delicate pewter]

I'm waffling on the Cain series a little, it's good stuff but tends to follow the same rough outline for multiple novels

[gusty harbor]

So for starters im gonna get the founding and then figure it out later

[delicate pewter]

Threat A shows up, Cain and co. deal with it for awhile (more accurately everyone else deals with it and he gets roped in), threat B shows up and they drop everything to solve that instead

Also the Jurgen descriptions

[gusty harbor]

Dont have that much space for books anymore 😅

[delicate pewter]

Hopefully that doesn't sound too reductive, but noticed the similarities

[radiant elm]

Audible my man. Best subscription i ever bought

[gusty harbor]

Nah i want a proper book

[vagrant idol]

Almost done with book 20 in HH (Im doing it entirely via audiobook). I'm going the self flagellating "read em all" method and was wondering if any other completionists found the audio dramas to be worthwhile/ essential for the 30k era?

[radiant elm]

God no. In fact unless you are a specific fan of X legion, i say it's entirely acceptable to skip staight to the siege of Terra after Fulgrim.

[unreal saddle]

All you need to know about the 30k Era is you might just be alpharius

And yeah i wouldn't read through all of the horus heresy. Most of it is stories on certain legions and primarchs. Pick your favorite and read. Skip the rest and go to siege of Terra series. Reading all of the HH is a fate worse than death frfr

[vagrant idol]

I have already done a read-through of my favorite legion/primarchs +essential plot points–>siege, now I'm going through what I skipped. I wasn't as clear as I should have been, I meant to ask about the audio dramas that use multiple voice actors and arent based on the books

@unreal saddle I knew by descent of angels that it would be a tough slog lol

[jaunty stratus]

to be fair, dark angels books really are the worst imo, also every emperors children book

but they could be rescued with just cutting nonsense hear and there to get the pacing done

[vagrant idol]

I did notice a few background characters that were in the siege of terra that Im now running into in the minor HH books I skipped.

[jaunty stratus]

rest of the hh books were so far at least entertaining

[vagrant idol]

It was a neat little "ah ha!" Moment for sure

[vagrant idol]

I think you'll be disappointed with the next big storyline from GW if your not a 1st legion fan

[jaunty stratus]

the rumors about the reawakening of lionel's johnson?

[unreal saddle]

Truth

[vagrant idol]

The frames from the arks of omen trailer pretty much confirm it

[jaunty stratus]

I mean, its not that I have a problem with the Legion, I just found the story and the writing meh

I mean yes, the Lion is a big Idiot, but its more related how he was written, just like emperor himself.

[vagrant idol]

I'm not especially a fan of the pre imperium Caliban stuff but the Cipher and Lupher/ Unforgiven stuff has been good

I about shit my pants when ||Cipher shows up at the Red Corsairs base in the immaterium and helps free Guilliman||

The silver key stuff all makes sense now too if they're talking about the dark angel

[jaunty stratus]

cant tell much about 40k storys, just know the cain, gaunts ghosts and inquisitor trilogies from DA and somewhat what currently up, but now real details

its because I listen the audiobooks and there isn't much available in my language, so I have to take whats there or listen in english, what, how it looks for now, will also be the case for next book club😅

[vagrant idol]

The abnett–verse was my introduction to the setting as well. Have you gotten through the ravenor books and the 2 Bequin ones yet?

[jaunty stratus]

yup, finished with bequin this summer in english too, because the localisation company contracted just is sooo damn sloooooow. And I really wanted at least to know what happened with all the forshadowing in magos

[vagrant idol]

I'm going to say it's the best thing in wh right now

[jaunty stratus]

yup, I even got my so and my old man to read them, and both have no clue about all the warhammer universe and they really enjoyed them, the books can totally stand on their own feet

[tardy needle]

Hi everyone, I have never been introduced to 40k books/lore. Where do I begin? I'm not interested in like side-stories, just major stuff. Any suggestions?

[unreal saddle]

There is a pinned message that has a building list of stuff to start with

They're all pretty major points in the universe of 40k

[tardy needle]

@unreal saddle oh, thanks!

[unreal saddle]

Welcome o3o

[mellow knot]

It will be an ever evolving list, too.

[wraith wasp]

Quick question, is Garro, weapon of fate a collection of the Garro audio dramas or a separate audiobook?

I can't seem to find a definitive answer

[tacit raft]

Recent book poll is kinda hard, every 3 of them are good. Though in my perspective Trazyn/Orikan book is somewhat exceptional anime, prove me wrong. Compared to ||Guiliman reading Lecticio Divinatus||, Trazyn's adventures look insignificant

[heavy juniper]

it's a full expanded written together novelisation of all the audio dramas + the novella vow of faith

[wraith wasp]

Then it's exactly what I wanted, thanks

[keen moat]

I have 2 new audio books. One from Dan Abnett . The other by Sandy Mitchell. Which should I listen to first?

[graceful osprey]

Dan Abnett's one of the best writers for 40k and his books tend to be very fun reads which are informative about the setting. Sandy Mitchell is primarily known for their dark comedy

[clear dust]

I think Peter Fehervari is underrated, I might say it out loud but i like him more then Dan Abnett. Requiem Infernal is a well written horror novel. Even James Swallow has a good writing style.

[jaunty stratus]

Ian Watson>everything else

[tacit raft]

[clear dust]

If those books could be still bought in paper back from BL then probably i would have read some, and i don't know how much is it up to date since the lore is changing from time to time.

[jaunty stratus]

they actually had some cool cover art

but not really sure if I could really read them with all the eye rolling

[random marlin]

I love Peter Fehervari too, basically Fire Caste is the novel that brought me back to 40k. Then, reading his other novels and short stories and seeing all the little connections between them (what's called the Dark Coil) was fascinating.

It really is a shame that he doesn't get more credit as a BL writer. Had The Reverie been more successful, things could have been different.

I loved his work so much that I contacted him and he's very friendly and humble. As he says, when 3 people read one of his book, 1 loves it, 1 is neutral about it and 1 hates it. Still, he has a style of his own, which is rare in the Black Library.

And I hope one day people will start reading it and realizing how good of a writer he is. If Dan Abnett is, let's say, Steven Spielberg, then Peter Fehervari is a mix between John Carpenter and David Lynch.

A recent Reddit post about Fire Caste sums up pretty well why it's a great read: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/yn9lh6/fire_caste_by_peter_fehervari/

Today I finished reading Fire Caste and I must say it is really an amazing book which I think all people interested in warhammer novels should try.

While seemingly well regarded among his fans Fehervari seems to be a divisive author and the book apparently didn't sold as much as hoped.

For me this books should be seen as a classic like the Fabious Bile or Nightlord trilogy or the Gaunt/Eisenhorn books.

I really like the personal touch that PF gives to the lore and setting, in many ways I think this may be the most grimdark of the warhammer books I read, here everything is really gritty, desperate and hopeless.

I often saw this book comparised to heart of darkness/apocalypse now in 40k and it certainly gives an idea about what to expect.

And while the real strength for me was in the atmosphere, setting and charachters I think that the combat parts too are very well written and above the average bolter porn of other 40k novels.

Also while almost or charachters were absolutely broken and unlikable I still empathized with and even rooted for them.

And while featuring mainly the imperial point of view the tau and kroot parts are really interesting and both sides are treated with respect and given both flaws and strengths.

And for Tau fans the tau here come off as a deadly and badass enemy to the imperium and the book shows that they absolutely can (also) fit in the darker portrayals of the setting.

So if you haven't give it a try!

[clear dust]

More a David Lynch then Carpenter 🙂

First have to finish the First Heretic then Reverie, i just hope he is going to get more job from BL to write.

[random marlin]

Well, he loves John Carpenter's The Thing and it certainly shows with some of his action/horror scenes. 😄 But I see what you mean, yes. 🙂

[clear dust]

Carpenter don't get me wrong he is a good director with Thing, Halloween, he made a name for himself but they are all low budget

while the books from Fehervari are so well written they can't be low budget 😄

sorry this is just nit picking

[random marlin]

Unfortunately, as The Reverie didn't get the success that was hoped, I don't know what are his plans for future Black Library books. I'll have to get in touch and ask him what's up. Will be a nice opportunity to reconnect with him.

[clear dust]

Ping us to know if he is writting something good.. there are some dedicated fans waiting the Dark Coil connecting again and again 😄

[random marlin]

Sure will! And know that I, er, appear in The Reverie. As I'm a fan of his works and we chatted several times together, he named a minor character with my family name in it. A really sweet gesture from a writer who's just a class act all around.

[jaunty stratus]

Sounds like the Harvey Smith of 40k writers

[craggy bone]

Dark souls of BL books

thanks for the reccomendation, will get the books

[mellow knot]

That’s one of my very favourite things about writing. Immortalising friends. Tig, in the Ogryn short story is named for a very lovely friend of mine who passed away this year. He’d have been highly entertained to be immortalised as an Ogryn.

[tacit raft]

Fire Caste is very, exceptionally grimdark, would recommend anyone who loves 40k

[bleak bison]

Hey everyone!
I'd been into the 40k universe some good number of years ago, just around the time the Tau and Necrons were being introduced as playable factions in the tabletop world.
As much as I appreciate how Spacemarines and the Imperium make up a good chunk of the core of the universe and it's stories, what would be some of your recommendations for novels that center more around the bad guys or maybe characters that don't have the genetic advantages a Spacemarine would have?

I'm looking for something less of an Imperium propaganda heroic and more of a dark, "nobody wins" a la The Mist kind of tale.

@tacit raft - Fire Caste would be Tau, right?

[tacit raft]

Fire Caste is around Tau+Guard+Ad Mechanus

very solid ending

like SOLID

[jaunty stratus]

after all what I heard, you really need to read fire case then.
There are some "nobody wins" outcomes in the gaunts ghosts series, but well, overall its quite heroic we are the good guys stuff

[bleak bison]

Definitely looking into that one then.

Remembering my time in the tabletop world and some of the 'victories' my friend's Imperial Guard army had against my Tyranid or Flayed Ones-heavy Necron forces were anything but a victory and I just know authors in the Black Library must have penned something horrific like that.

[jaunty stratus]

yes, the series goes in a similar direction, but compared to their opposition ist quite easy to determine, who to good guys are. I mean there is still some reflection here and there, but probably not exactly what you look for.
Sadly, with Xenos literature, I don't really know what to recommend, because I have yet to read some

[tacit raft]

Astra Militarum novels around "unfairness", nobodywins. Ive tried to recall anything else, but most of it is just short stories
Dead Men Walking - necrons+guard, death korps of krieg
Krieg - guard, krieg
Fifteen Hours - guard

[bleak bison]

I don't mind having a 'good guys' type arc or clear cut protaganist type thing, but some of the storylines I've come across border on God Emperor grade plot armor and it's difficult to get behind a story like that.

[bleak bison]

Krieg and Necrons paint a nice dynamic already. Looking into that one too

Thank you to both of you!

[jaunty stratus]

In that case, you can look into gaunts ghosts. But it's guard vs chaos only

[thorn bison]

Ghosts does give many of their characters extreme plot armour though

[jaunty stratus]

to be fair, the character entourage gets thinned out quite well over the books, so some of them need to be alive, because you wouldn't read a book where the whole main character group gets exchanged every book

[abstract laurel]

Okay but when someone dies it fucking hurts, like Game of Thrones level

[thorn bison]

Oh yeah it most definitely does, my point was that sometimes the characters survive absolutely ridiculous situations but then die in less dangerous ones which for some people can be annoying

I personally love all the GG books and wouldn't have it any other way

But people like to complain about the plot armour DA gives his characters sometimes

[wicked tree]

To each their own

[strong coyote]

I legit just bought Infinite and Divine yesterday so Im very dowm lol

[hearty musk]

What’s the general consensus here about the primarch books?

[unique socket]

If you have audible, I’d highly recommend it. The reader is top tier with the voices

[spiral panther]

Infinite and the Divine is an S+ tier book, ngl

[hearty musk]

Really? I’ve heard a lot of people say that. But I never really enjoyed necrons before

[spiral panther]

It's ridicolously funny at times, especially with Trazyn in the scene

[unique socket]

Spoilers for Infinite and Divine || We stan Trazyn who canonically rooted for an overlord for the sole reason of pissing off Orikan ||

[spiral panther]

Anyone here waiting HARD for Pandemonium?

[unique socket]

Which one is that one?

[spiral panther]

Dan Abnetts Inquisitor series

surrounding Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Bequin and the King in Yellow

[unique socket]

It’s less of a “necron” book and more of a “two old men bickering over centuries” book

[strong coyote]

I do but saving that for the second Cain omnibus cause bought the first one at the same time 🤣 and my buddy said the Cain books rocked on audible

[hearty musk]

Ahh I got it

[spiral panther]

Twice Dead King: Reing is REALLY good too though

*Reign

[unique socket]

Valid. I like reading the books and then listening to Audible afterwards. Then it feels like a movie adaptation ☺️

[hearty musk]

Another book for my never ending booklist

[unique socket]

Ooooh, that’ll have to be on my list too

[spiral panther]

You have to, the reveal on who the king in yellow is is INSANE

[strong coyote]

Haha me too but alas I am poverty stricken so I hoard my tokens like Smaug waiting for the perfect things to get 🤣 and I usually supplement with what I cant afford to get physical

[hearty musk]

Unfortunately I have already been spoiled for his identity

🥲

[spiral panther]

Yes, I really want it to be true though, with a return soon

[unique socket]

Is the Twice Dead king the Silent king or is that someone else?

[unique socket]

Moooooood

[spiral panther]

Bros gotta help out G Man

[spiral panther]

It's a different dynasty yeah

[unique socket]

Ah ok

Too many kings in this bitch. Hard to keep them straight lol

[spiral panther]

Its around Oltyx

interesting character

[unique socket]

Noice!

[spiral panther]

I need more Trazyn content tho ngl

[unique socket]

Don’t we all

[spiral panther]

Did yall read Echoes of Eternity?

[unique socket]

I love how in IaTD the author goes out of his way to be like “If they weren’t terrifying robots, this would be the most stupid old man fight ever.”

[unique socket]

I haven’t Nah

[spiral panther]

its so GOOD

[hearty musk]

I need to read Warhawk first

[spiral panther]

Good thing is, you cant spoil it because it already happened years ago

[unique socket]

What faction is that book about?

[spiral panther]

Siege of Terra

Horus Heresy book

[hearty musk]

Over the summer i managed to read through all of the HH up until Warhawk

Cause I’m broke now lol

[spiral panther]

Dude those books made me love Loken and Garro specifically

great characters

[unique socket]

I love Loken so much

Good boy. Baby

[hearty musk]

And I’m saving for it cause I know that Mortarian and the Khan shows up. Some of my favorite primarchs fr

[unique socket]

Uuuugh I hate Nurgle stuff lol

[hearty musk]

Ahhh so many books to read with so few funds lmao

[unique socket]

I get so queasy

[spiral panther]

EoE is all about Sanguinius and Angron

Insane

[hearty musk]

Nurgle is goated

Smh

[spiral panther]

nurgle is based frfr ong

[unique socket]

I just hate medical grossness XD

[spiral panther]

oh also Vulkan and Magnus

Vulkan is a BEAST

[hearty musk]

Khorne > Slaneesh > Nurgle > Tzeentch

[spiral panther]

I gotta say Tzeentch > Khorne > Nurgle > Slaanesh

[unique socket]

My bf painted a poxwalker and gave it to me and I’m like “Thanks babe, it looks 🤢 Great! I love the detail you put on… on the 🤢 pus.”

[spiral panther]

Tzeentch is basically just a shitposter

Love it

[hearty musk]

That’s how you know that it’s well painted. If it disgusts you lol

[unique socket]

Exactlyyy. I wanna support him so I took it and thanked him. But it’s currently at the back of my model shelf lol

[hearty musk]

I love the death guard lore and stuff. Their rivalry with the White Scars is actually one of my favorite things about the current siege

[spiral panther]

death guard is tragic

did you read the dark imperium series?

[unique socket]

Also Khorne > Tzeentch > Slaanesh > Nurgle

[hearty musk]

I haven’t read Godblight but everything else is done

[spiral panther]

godblight is so good

i love how they characterized G Man

robot galoreman

[hearty musk]

I can’t finish the avenging son series or whatever it’s called man

[hearty musk]

Damn so maybe I should read it

[spiral panther]

i havent started on that yet, i gotta tho

im currently getting into Gaunter Ghosty

cause i need more from the god himself, Dan Abnett

[hearty musk]

The Ghosts are the best

Controversial opinion. Chris Wraight is almost as good as Dan himself

[spiral panther]

I agree

i also think Aaron Dembski is on abnett level

after reading Echoes of Eternity

[tacit raft]

noppers, ADB is always about Damsel in Distress

[hearty musk]

Aaron is good for darker factions and stories

But I feel like he loses to Dan in most ways

[spiral panther]

Haven't read anything from him, except Echoes, which is actually just an insane book

so cant reall judge his other works

[hearty musk]

Read his night lords

Probably what he’s most famous for

[tacit raft]

Well, any ADB novel is about Damsel's in trouble, but they are good

books i mean

[unique socket]

Didn’t he write the Black Legion?

[tacit raft]

Talon of Horus?

[unique socket]

Ye

[tacit raft]

let me google it, dont remember

[hearty musk]

He did

[tacit raft]

yes

he did

[spiral panther]

I also gotta say the recent reveal was the most underwhelming thing ever

Black Crusade books

[unique socket]

Ok so does that mean Khayon is the damsel rn?

[spiral panther]

First ones gonna be Abbaddon, second Angron

[tacit raft]

Yes 😀

[hearty musk]

I feel like non book based lore reveals kinda suck

For Gw

There is no tension

No build up

[unique socket]

Ooooh that’s why he gets Femboyed XDDD

[hearty musk]

I feel like they should have most of their reveals supported by a book

[hearty musk]

Who?

[spiral panther]

I mean theyre gonna be books

but who likes abbadon

no cap

[hearty musk]

I kinda like him based off the Black Legion books

But yeah he’s kinda underwhelming

We need a book to make him awesome

[spiral panther]

Garro shouldve finished him in that basement.

[tacit raft]

Yep

[spiral panther]

Give the Black Legion to idk

Belakor i guess

[unique socket]

I kinda like him. He’s both the mustache twirling villain and a little bitch

[hearty musk]

The First Company being wiped out in that manner made me die internally. It was so sad

[tacit raft]

Imaging crying after being doinked by Garro 👊 👊

[spiral panther]

nah "imma finish what papa howus cudnt >:("

no you WONT

[spiral panther]

I loved when Garviel Loken.. you know..

when he did the thing..

[tacit raft]

slept under the rubble

[unique socket]

Doesn’t he break out of that at the ending of Talon of Horus tho?

[hearty musk]

Ok Nox as a reader of Echoes is it better then the previous Siege Books? Cause Mortis made me want to die

[spiral panther]

dug himself out only to get decked

[tacit raft]

😀

[hearty musk]

Mortis was such a bad Siege Book bro

[tacit raft]

I enjoyed Mortis more than any

[spiral panther]

thats what he gets for tarik

[hearty musk]

Really?

[spiral panther]

i fucking loved tarik man

[hearty musk]

I’m surprised

[tacit raft]

yeah

[hearty musk]

I liked the Titian action

But the rest felt weak

[spiral panther]

yeah the whole titan shtick was kinda mid

i also did not see the whole thematic about the other perpetuals resurface?

is it gonna happen in the last two books or did i just skip over it mentally

[tacit raft]

we can count who is still alive and on terra

[spiral panther]

yeah but i do not remember the scene where they died

legit

[hearty musk]

The last wall was ok but not amazing

[spiral panther]

like they traveled to terra, went and fought uh.. i think some wordbearers?

no idea what happened to them after that, i legit forgot

[hearty musk]

Emperors Children I think

Cause they were making people into drugs

[spiral panther]

yeah that

but did they die there

i dont remember

[tacit raft]

Infested Hive city

with plants and trees

[spiral panther]

yes

but are they DEAD?

im not sure

[tacit raft]

nope

[spiral panther]

okay so when are they gonna do shit

[tacit raft]

Alpha legioner and some girl saved the day

[spiral panther]

one of em is called john i think

yeyea

they legit had no appearance in EoE

John Grammaticus yes

[hearty musk]

Lmao remember in Saturine when the entire Emperors Children get beaten and routed in the span of one chapter.
😃

[tacit raft]

yep, no apperance at all, i think ADB left these thematic to DA, cuz its his "child" since Legion novel

[spiral panther]

LMAO

[abstract laurel]

I haven't made it to mortis yet, how come the titan action was bad?

[spiral panther]

When papa dorn smacked the snakey

[hearty musk]

That was my least favorite part of the Siege so far

[spiral panther]

its not bad, just the rest of the book is mid

[abstract laurel]

ah

[hearty musk]

Literally what was the point of having the Emperors Children at that point

[spiral panther]

to have drukhari ordered on wish

[abstract laurel]

Bummer, DA and Graham McNeill are probably the only two to nail titan warfare I guess

[spiral panther]

emperors children are scuffed drukhari, wont change my mind until they do something with em

[tacit raft]

what is Bummer?

[hearty musk]

I want to see EC fight competently in the next Siege book fr

[spiral panther]

He was saying that its a bummer

unfortsh

[tacit raft]

ah i see

[abstract laurel]

what he said

[spiral panther]

theyre not gonna be doing any more fighting

[hearty musk]

Eidolon leading his EC against the White Scars in Path to Heaven is probably the last time we saw them fight well lol

[hearty musk]

Yeah it sucks bro. Like cmon

[spiral panther]

siege was over when peter turbo left

[hearty musk]

Kinda awful

I want higher stakes smh

[spiral panther]

he was legit the only competent primarch they had

lmao

[hearty musk]

Push the imperials to the last bastion

Show badass moments on both sides

[spiral panther]

youre gonna love echoes then

[hearty musk]

I think Morty is still good

[spiral panther]

morty is alr, hes in denial tho

Echoes is legit so good

Sangiuinius fucks shit up there

so does vulkan

[hearty musk]

Might be a spoiler but does Sevatar come back? Cause idk how he’s gonna die in the siege if he doesn’t even show up

[spiral panther]

👀

havent seen him yet ngl

or mightve overread

[hearty musk]

Smh

Watch his death be forever never mentioned

[spiral panther]

im ngl Echoes focuses heavy on Blood Angels and World Eaters

and a little bit about the wordbearers

[hearty musk]

That’s fine by me btw. I love the World Eaters

[spiral panther]

and Arkhan

world eaters are so tragic

how 2 book club role btw

I cant figure it out lmao

[hearty musk]

Don’t know

[tacit raft]

it is said that he died on Terra during the siege

but he is not shown up yet

[hearty musk]

we haven’t even seen him 🥲

[spiral panther]

Sigismund might have gotten him on the side

Guys nuts

[hearty musk]

Nah bro

Sevatar is probably the strongest traitor non primarch duelist. He won’t die randomly

[spiral panther]

i mean

what about kahn

[tacit raft]

kharn is dead

[spiral panther]

exactly

[tacit raft]

thats cool how in Echoes made Sarina corrupted

and dead Kharn ghost

[spiral panther]

yeah but it wasnt actually sarina

i mean kinda but

not really

[tacit raft]

its her, but corrupted to the point of no return

[spiral panther]

shes gone

also G Man gonna come in clutch

too late but it counts i guess

isnt the lion gonna arrive first or am i tripping

[tacit raft]

i think i need to reread solar war to guess how much time can it take for Gman to zoom for terra

lion is the last to arrive

[spiral panther]

unbased

need more lion content

[tacit raft]

after siege i think

[spiral panther]

you think the lions gonna return next btw?

[hearty musk]

Are we gonna get a Scouring Series?

[tacit raft]

yes, im 100% sure

[spiral panther]

I really think its gonna be Big C

cause its being set up atm

[tacit raft]

BL and GW consistently add content about DA past two years

especially the last novel about First of the Fallen

[hearty musk]

Ehh we haven’t seen much DA 40k stuff tho

[spiral panther]

true true

but dont forget king in yellow

which is gonna be resolved next year

[tacit raft]

that gonna be a bomb

[spiral panther]

it will

[hearty musk]

Fuck so much stuff to catch up on

[spiral panther]

hes one of my favorite characters dude

[hearty musk]

I haven’t even started the Inquisitor series

[spiral panther]

guys gonna crash into the universe

[tacit raft]

wait what, you havent read Eisenhorn or Ravenor?

[hearty musk]

Yup

I know

[spiral panther]

OUHWA

[hearty musk]

Fake 40k fan

[spiral panther]

I started with Eisenhorn

[hearty musk]

😅😅

[tacit raft]

i started with Ravenor

and went back to Eisenhorn

and fell in love

[spiral panther]

I love all of those characters

I love the setup in Penitent

[hearty musk]

What’s the read order anyway

[delicate pewter]

Oh, question! Where does Bequin slot in relative to Eisenhorn/Ravenor?

Eisenhorn -> Ravenor -> Bequin, chronologically?

[spiral panther]

shes an eisenhorn OG

yeah

[tacit raft]

yes

[delicate pewter]

goootcha

Finished the Ravenor trilogy awhile ago, def gonna continue onto Bequin 😄

[spiral panther]

Xenos - Malleus - Hereticus - Ravenor - Returned - Rogue - Magos - Pariah - Penitent

[hearty musk]

Ok thanks

I’ll read it after finishing the Ghosts

God so much to read

[tacit raft]

its years of reading

[hearty musk]

Im so happy that Warhammer has like 20 authors constantly pushing out books

[grave oak]

I just realized there is a book club. I've read so already and I am ready to nerd out

[hearty musk]

I can never finish

[spiral panther]

do it with audible, lifehack

If i needa catchup ill hit up audible and blast it during drives and work when i can

[grave oak]

I mostly do audible as I do not have as much time to read anymore

[delicate pewter]

This book club is a really pleasant place to be, running away from #general-chat rn XD

[hearty musk]

Current reading list

Finish the Ghosts>Warhawk and Echoes> Inquisitor Series

[spiral panther]

did you read horus rising trilogy

[hearty musk]

I finished the entire HH

[spiral panther]

based

[hearty musk]

Up until Warhawk

[grave oak]

Just finished looking listening to ciaphas cain series for the third/fourth time

[spiral panther]

ciaphas cain is gonna be my go to after gaunter o' ghost

[rich raptor]

isnt the series technically ongoing

[hearty musk]

Oh yeah Cain was my first 40k book

[rich raptor]

Cain books are eh ok

[delicate pewter]

Yeah, Cain's not done yet

[rich raptor]

A little too much comdedy for me

Not enough 40k themes

[grave oak]

My first 40k book was descent of angels

[delicate pewter]

The Cain series ranges from very good to mixed depending on what you want out of your 40k books, imo

[tacit raft]

thats big

[grave oak]

Followed by the furious abyss

[tacit raft]

thats not big

[grave oak]

I had no clue what was happening in that book

[spiral panther]

Gaunt and Cain show the side of the people that are fucked in the conflict

the guard

[delicate pewter]

Sandy def departs from the typical 40k themes agreed, whether that's a good thing depends on taste

[spiral panther]

its tragic, not a power fantasy

[tacit raft]

maybe the worst book in the series

[grave oak]

I know

[hearty musk]

Furious was my least favorite warhammer book

[grave oak]

This was a long time ago

[hearty musk]

Next to Pharos or whatever

[graceful osprey]

the Cain series is 40k wodehouse which is kind of inside baseball unless you're an older british person

[hearty musk]

The NL in that book was so bad that I couldn’t read it

[grave oak]

But dark angels hold a small place in my heart for introducing me to 40k. Those traitorous bastards

[spiral panther]

if you done with ravenor and didnt catch magos yet get the omnibus

with all the short stories

[grave oak]

I think my third book was in fact angels of darkness

[spiral panther]

dude i gotta finish darkness in the blood

[tacit raft]

DA are cool

[grave oak]

Darkness in the blood is good

So many good Warhammer books I can never get rnough

[spiral panther]

ok imma bust it out rn, my top 3 legions

ready?

[tacit raft]

ye

[spiral panther]

Black Templars > Blood Angels > Dark Angels

[tacit raft]

its not legions

[rich raptor]

Cain is Flashman except instead of Flashman being a jerk who people think is a hero, Cain is a hero who presents himself as a jerk

[tacit raft]

xD

[grave oak]

Salamanders over all

[spiral panther]

chapters*

on me

[rich raptor]

Which is in the british traidtion as well for heroes like Hornblower

Who always thinks the worst of himself but is actually a hero

[spiral panther]

as for Legions overall id have to go with Blood Angels on top rn

[rich raptor]

Flashman is the better series though in terms of humor because of this

[unique socket]

Salamanders > Thousand Sons > World Eaters

[spiral panther]

thousand sons are also very based

[grave oak]

Agreed

But world eater don't make my top 3

[unique socket]

They're so sadddd

[grave oak]

Meh

[spiral panther]

world eaters are top tier due to their tragic fate

[unique socket]

It's purely cause of Lheorvine from the Black Legion books

[spiral panther]

like if they didnt have that backstory itd be garbage ngl, but just very well written overall

[hearty musk]

Best Legions:
World Eaters > White Scars > Night Lords

Best Chapters:
Carcharodans> Blood Angels

[grave oak]

I am just too much of a fan of the blood angels

[spiral panther]

sanguinius 🥲

[grave oak]

Salamander>thousand sons>blood angels

Sanguinis is the best primarch

I will die in this hill

[hearty musk]

I want to like Salamanders but they just don’t have enough lore

[spiral panther]

top primarchs?

[grave oak]

I can agree to that

[hearty musk]

Like they literally have nothing going for them

[spiral panther]

Sanguinius>The Khan>G Man

change my mind

HOLUP

[grave oak]

@spiral panther I don't think I will

[spiral panther]

Lion 2nd

Lion is actually insane

[grave oak]

Nvm

Lion is too full of himself for my liking

[spiral panther]

yeah but hes also that good

[grave oak]

But still. Man needs to eat some humble pie

[spiral panther]

he will once he wakes up

[hearty musk]

I think that you’re all forgetting about Angron and Morty smh

[spiral panther]

Angron is a bitch

[hearty musk]

NOOOO

[grave oak]

I'm not

Mortarion is terrible

[hearty musk]

Lmao

Well he’s a tragic hero

[spiral panther]

morty lost his legion and is now in denial still

and got blasted by the big E

[grave oak]

I don't see him as a hero at all

[glass lintel]

At least Sandy is an amazing writer. Abbnett has never failed to bore the hell out of me.

[grave oak]

He's not a villain either tho

He just is

[hearty musk]

Lol

[spiral panther]

ogey

[spiral panther]

woah woah woah

ogey

lets take this slow

[glass lintel]

Mm?

[hearty musk]

Dan is a living god of 40k

[spiral panther]

yes

thats not slow but i agree

[hearty musk]

His Ghosts are amazing

[spiral panther]

his inquisitor series is insane

hes literally about to drop a nuke on the universe

[hearty musk]

Though he does have his issues, aka his perpetuals

I dislike how he adds them randomly into the siege books but whatever

[spiral panther]

thats greenlit by GW tho

[hearty musk]

Doesn’t make them any better

[delicate pewter]

Absolutely, really glad those two got brought on for the 40k-verse

[spiral panther]

fair

john grammaticus more like john whoaskedius right lmao

right guys

[hearty musk]

Idk I like his insights into the emperor and stuff but I dislike how he boring he is written

Could have been better@

[spiral panther]

did you also notice the setup for

enuncia

[glass lintel]

Dan's dull. It feels like I'm reading a Tom Clancy novel.

I'd say "spoilers", but these are within the first chapters of his books:

The Horus Heresy:
The Luna Wolves go to Saggitarius (constellation of a centaur with a bow). The aliens there are centaurs with bows.

Gaunt's Ghosts:
I assume I'm supposed to be impressed by them defying the odds. A chaos space marine dies to one lasgun headshot snd Gaunt 1v1s a daemonhost in a knife fight.

Eisenhorn:
He looks down at a gun he's holding and goes through the history of a woman who went from hive ganger to inquisitorial cadre, an amazing story! Anyways: she's dead and Easy Eiz has the ability to tell someone to leave cover and they're forced to leave cover. When he faces consequences for damaging the local infrastructure, he uses his - quote - "limitless authority" to dodge any consequences.

They also write so damn blandly.

[spiral panther]

ogey

cant argue with the first one

second one, i know the scene

lets assume he wasnt wearing a helmet

third one, inquisitorial authority does save you from any punishment that doesnt come from the inquisition

so thats legit

[abstract laurel]

I mean, the first one could be argued that that's why they the constellation was called such, and knowledge of it was lost to time

Some explorator dude went there and was like, "yo, aliens are centaurs with a bow lets call this sagittarius"

Because that's.. literally how a lot of places were named in our own world history

[spiral panther]

not sure, horus heresy lore already stands, so mightve been an event he couldnt change

[abstract laurel]

There was very little HH lore prior to the first HH books and 30k dexes.

[hearty musk]

It’s all about personal preference. But I like most of Dan’s characters. Remember that inside of Cain he literally defeated a Chaos Space Marine in melee. Sure he had help but that’s almost as insane

[spiral panther]

yeah, good point

[hearty musk]

Well the problem is that they originally had plans for a 7 book series

[abstract laurel]

Also don't forget that a space marine can roll 1's in everything and the guardsman he's fighting against rolls 6's on everything

Dice is hell.

[hearty musk]

That’s why it’s so rushed

And not that good tbh

[spiral panther]

Eisenhorn also whacked a chaos marine

[abstract laurel]

He kinda distacted (and stunned him) with the necroteuch though

The same way he was caught by surprise

[hearty musk]

These guys are the exception and not the norm. Most people would get murdered by marines

[abstract laurel]

yep

[hearty musk]

So I think it’s fine

Like Yarrick can probably 1v1 a marine

Easily

[spiral panther]

I mean you COULD get one if youre LUCKY

[abstract laurel]

^ also this. I've lost grey knights to ripper swarms lmao

[spiral panther]

just gonna happen once to you

MAYBE

Yeah Space Marines are killable by guardsmen

just takes a few

[abstract laurel]

or roll enough 1's.

[glass lintel]

I know that, but it means that many of his characters have both combat superiority and the "Dammit John J Bolter: you're a loose cannon, but you get results!" factor. I have no reason to ever fear for their well being.

Cain, meanwhile, is possibly the common ancestor of all weasels species and gets through his stories by methods even he thinks are insane and that's the joy of it. The prose is amazing.

Most ADB protagonists don't end their books intact and go through exceptional arks with stories that transcend the franchise.

A lot of the Necron authors recognize that if your average noble would be an overpowered demigod in any other faction, then the threat of the novel should be a cultural/philosophical one, not throwing a fifth regiment of baddies at them when the last four were thrown into the same black hole.

[spiral panther]

or that

[abstract laurel]

Like, shit, tell me you guys have never had that before in TT40k

[spiral panther]

i remember fighting one of my buds on tabletop sim

He brought a psyker heavy guardsmen army

[abstract laurel]

Other silly things that have happened - battlefortress failing tank shock on my one last elysian droptroop in a squad, he throws his demo charge in response and blows it up

[spiral panther]

So i took black templars and abused abhor the witch

[abstract laurel]

wheee penetrating hits

[hearty musk]

I actually whole heartedly agree with this. Misfits getting results is like his biggest gimmick.

ABD is kinda of a darker writer

[spiral panther]

I mean Eisenhorn got fucked up in his arc

||His legs are broken, he turned extremist and lost most of his followers||

Except Harlan, the og

whoops

[glass lintel]

It's not even the 'dark' (though the greyer tone is nice, wish that was around to keep more people from getting Aquila tattoos) narratives that get me. The action is great, but usually is just an accent to a faithful marine struggling with faith, a warband debating the merit of their Primarch's philosophy in the wake of their death, or a marine coming to terms with the fact that a serf had a stronger will than he did and the system that birthed him ruined their life.

I just . . . felt none of that in any Abbnett book.

"My gun reminds me of this really cool story. Not telling it. Anyways: I'm going after my Moriarity but without any context as to why they're a threat or what they did to earn my devotion to their downfall."

[zinc path]

Haven’t read Eisenhorn yet. Granted this is cause I’m not the hugest fan of Imperium vs Chaos. More of a Xenos fan. Is the series any good?

[spiral panther]

Inquisitor hunting down heretics?

[glass lintel]

What do you value in a novel?

[spiral panther]

Ravenor had some good setup with molotch

Eisenhorn had pontius glore

[glass lintel]

It's not heretics. It's Henry The Heretic, who Eisenhorn still despises for The Thing he did at That Time, which is why he's on the warpath to strangle this nemesis the audience has no reason to root against.

[zinc path]

Idk. Really enjoyed the twice-dead king novels, and the Infinite and the Divine (big Necron fan). Also Ciaphas Cain and Gaunts Ghosts.
Anyways the reason why I’m hesitant to read Eisenhorn is because I really dislike mystery novels but almost all of my 40k friends keep bugging me to read the series. And I would like to finally understand all of the references

[spiral panther]

I agree that the smaller ones have bad setup, but most of em require him to take care of em cause of his duty, serving overall to set up pontius

which was well executed imo

[zinc path]

Yet. Even tho I hated mystery novels I found myself really liking the Warhammer Crime novels. So idk

[glass lintel]

It's more Gaunt's and less of the Necrons.

[rich raptor]

lol what

Abnett is probably the most technically competenet writer on BL

[glass lintel]

Hah

[zinc path]

Yeah I know. Same author as Gaunt and Abbnet doesn’t really do Xenos

[rich raptor]

Eisenhorn is intentionally plainly written it's part of the hardboiled detective pastiche

[ripe cedar]

time to give this a go on audible

[rich raptor]

When he goes into more fantasy he uses a lot more fantasy and language jokes

[zinc path]

Which is the main reason why I’m hesitant. Then again his Horus Heresy novels were amazing

[ripe cedar]

first novel about ogryns ive come across

[zinc path]

It’s really good

[rich raptor]

The prose for some of the BL authors is, let's be honest... not great

[zinc path]

Yeah… but they’re a hellva lot better than most sci-fi writers nowadays

[rich raptor]

Uh

[glass lintel]

So he's an unrelatable protagonist because it's part of a tired trope?

[zinc path]

There are only 3 books that has ever gotten me emotional. All three were BL books

[rich raptor]

IF you think the detective genre is a "trope"

i think you're missing the point

[zinc path]

I am

Pls help

[glass lintel]

A lot of those BL authors are the Sci-fi authors nowadays.

[rich raptor]

Contemporary sci-fi is a LOT bigger than uh James Swallow

[zinc path]

Yeah….

Anyways. Did anybody else here get emotional while reading the Night Lords Trilogy. Cause I Cried like a little bitch

[abstract laurel]

Was this well written? I hesitated picking it up

[glass lintel]

Tropes need subversion or complementation.

Necrons are demigods in power. Their threat is rarely combat: it's losing culture or their minds.

[zinc path]

It is

[abstract laurel]

I did at the end.

[glass lintel]

I got a lump in my throat a few times.

[rich raptor]

what are you talking about

[zinc path]

I did when Talos was reliving his memories with his mom and reflecting with it afterwords with Octavia

[rich raptor]

this is nonsense

"tropes need subversion" wtf who talks like this

[glass lintel]

Me.

Book-lovers.

[abstract laurel]

I literally shed a tear for Uzas.

[rich raptor]

lol

[abstract laurel]

omg the one with his mom too

[zinc path]

This is why The Infinite and The Divine is my absolute favorite BL novel to date

[zinc path]

“I wanted to be a hero”

[abstract laurel]

I never thought I'd ever shed a tear for such heartless killers

[zinc path]

Same

[rich raptor]

I remember the night lords books beinf fairly overwrought but decent

[ripe cedar]

just came across it today, the reviews sold me

[zinc path]

It’s good. Not gonna say anything out of fear of spoiling it

Well I liked it atleast

[rich raptor]

I've never hread of ths one

[ripe cedar]

reviews are insane so far

[rich raptor]

it must be a new series

[ripe cedar]

even for the numbers

[abstract laurel]

ty 😄

[glass lintel]

I've been reading my whole life. I've already read Dan Abbnett a few times, it was just some author with a Navy Seal, or who thought the purpose of detective stories is to show how mean the villain was by leaving increasingly mutilated women's bodies behind before the main character finds a receipt to a Chinese food restaurant nearby and waits for the next dude to come in and order the Shrimp fried rice without the shrimp so we know they're smart.

The purpose of Sci-Fi and Fantasy is to use the tools the author has to elevate it beyond the limits of what a contemporary setting could achieve. The Night Lords, Twice Dead King, and I&D could never exist outside of warhammer and tell stories that no other character in that setting could experience.

[rich raptor]

I think you need to spend a little more time learning to write

[glass lintel]

That never stopped Dan Abbnett.

[rich raptor]

lol is this a troll

[glass lintel]

No, this is Arty.

[rich raptor]

It's me im the NAvy Seal

[zinc path]

I want a book about Lysycores (tdk duke of death marks) being scammed by Trayzin and being forced to steal things for him

[sweet surge]

we get it you dont like Abnett ... that doesnt make him a bad author though

[rich raptor]

it's bait

not very good bait

[sweet surge]

i know

[glass lintel]

Calling arguments you disagree with "bait" is like calling someone who put effort into a fursuit or did an alright drawing of their Among Us character "cringe", because you don't value what brings them joy in the world. Extrapolate why don'tcha?

[rich raptor]

ok fine it's pretty dcent bait

i tip my fedora to you

[zinc path]

Let’s move away from this please

[glass lintel]

Abbnett is very good at writing about soldiers. However, in a franchise that is 95% about soldiers by volume, GG doesn't feel meaningfully separate from The Bad Batch tv show, and Eisenhorn could be simulated by randomly switching between NCIS and Kenobi on a timer. I was hoping they had more to say because I've already heard most of it before.

[rich raptor]

I preferred your previous gimmick

No need to change it up

[hearty musk]

Ok…moving on lads. We all have different tastes lol

[hearty musk]

I don’t think I’ve seen this one yet

[glass lintel]

Why would you need to move on from a book discussion in the book channel?

I'm especially interested to hear why I'm wrong in my stance, rather than "you just are". What's everyone's favorite part/aspect of Gaunt's Ghosts or Eisenhorn? I'm not opposed to an action-heavy focus (Hardcore Henry is a favorite of mine and the plot is a crayon drawing).

[rich raptor]

you're trying too hard

[hearty musk]

The best part about the ghosts is the down to earth feeling of the battle. For one. Two keeping the entirety of the series within the same crusade gives ut a feeling of continuity

[glass lintel]

I've only heard about it all being the same crusade in this channel today, which is something I didn't know originally and I think is neat.

[rich raptor]

lol

[hearty musk]

Yeah the entire series takes place in the same Sabbat Worlds Crusade

[rich raptor]

dude hasn't actually read the books

[hearty musk]

Same sector

Same armies

[glass lintel]

I was expecting more of the Postcard Scenario where they dip a toe into several conflicts and also Cadia/Indomitus somehow.

[hearty musk]

It makes us feel invested

[hearty musk]

No that would honestly make it worse

[zinc path]

Personally like ghosts due to the feelings of brothers at arms and the resilience of the human spirit even in the grim darkness of the forty first millennia

[glass lintel]

Expected, not "hoped for". The single crusade is a plus for GG.

[hearty musk]

It feels like a real war instead of random snap shots of them being sent to random battlefields

[glass lintel]

Have you read through multiple of the books? I was hoping for more character growth and focus than the first book offered, which is why I set the series down in the first place.

[rich raptor]

How many books have you actually read

[zinc path]

lost count after 14

[torn silo]

I've read them all. I thought there was a great amount of character growth

[rich raptor]

no im talking to arty

[zinc path]

oh...

[hearty musk]

Bro it gets better

[rich raptor]

he hasn't actually read eitehr series

[hearty musk]

I’ve read almost all of it

[rich raptor]

he's just repeating what people have said here

The first Gaunt book was written as a one-off. The second is more of a short story collection

Then they go full serialization

Becase he got a contract for a series

[glass lintel]

This is a lot funnier when we realize neither of you two read my username. I'm not a man and would appreciate if you stopped calling me one.

[rich raptor]

i don't read

[glass lintel]

I do. Please stop.

[zinc path]

So lets go onto a less agressive convo

What's y'alls favorite 40k book and why (not series)?

[hearty musk]

I apologize i use bro for both

[glass lintel]

The Night Lords series, without a doubt. Feels like a proper Odyssey, and almost Shakesperain in a way. It ne'er wanders hither t'wards pompous, but it does really well to show how strong the threads that connect these highly distinct characters must be.

It felt like everyone had an arc, and every one carried their own thesis through to the end. At no point did it feel like someone existed to fill a Disagree With The Protagonist quota.

[hearty musk]

I actually agree that the night lords are good

It’s very well written

[rich raptor]

THe prose is extremely purple but they are decent books

[zinc path]

Mines The Infinite and the Divine. Mainly because it actually gives us insight on Necron society, also it's basically a book about a 10,000 year long petty feud between two very petty god teir old man robots

[rich raptor]

You can argue it is on-brand

[zinc path]

which one of the trilogy is your favorite, personally liked blood reaver (second one i think)

[grave oak]

Adb is great

Wish he would do a book just about the celestial lions. One where they don't get wrecked.

[glass lintel]

Honestly? I thought part two had some great action, but felt let-down by those two characters who were introduced and felt like they were going to persist for a bit, but then got killed-off. I understand why, but it was still rough.

I like the first the most because it stands on it's own. The latter two need to be part of a trilogy to send it all home, but do great at that task.

[glass lintel]

My favorite part is how the Voice differs per book to fit the story. Everyone in Nightlords feels like a weapon, everyone in Talons of Horus feels like a mystery, and the Mentor in Spears of the Emperor feels like paying-off your student loans while you see the military approve another twenty billion dollars.

[zinc path]

CL should have a talk with the space wolves, (also read The Emperors Gift, its about the month of shame and is written by ADB)

[grave oak]

Love the emperor's gift

[rich raptor]

Emperor's Gift was probably ADB's best book

[grave oak]

How should we show the grey knights getting wrecked?

Make them fight space wolves

[rich raptor]

PRobably becasue he was able to write proper antagonists

[glass lintel]

I'm shocked that ADB would write anything for the Wolves. Guess it makes more sense when you learn the books are assigned to authors.

[rich raptor]

night lrods probably suffers the most for this

they're supposed to be their own worst enemies but often they just come off as whiny

[zinc path]

man really need to reread it, also hope it will be in audiobook format soon, I'm dyslexic so it would help

[rich raptor]

THough this is the baic issue with space marine characterization - usually they end up either as angsty teenagers or machines

[zinc path]

Space Wolves: the Ultimate Nerd Wreakers

[rich raptor]

IT's a difficult balance to hit the mythic hero archetype

Especially since novels are all about minutiae

in th emodern form that is

[zinc path]

would anybody else like to share their favorite 40k novel?

[rich raptor]

Brothers of the Snake is more of a short story anthology but it is underrated

[grave oak]

Battle of the fang

Although I really like the Ahriman books

[rich raptor]

I'd say Fire Warrior is probably my favorite one-off novel novel

wait no Fire CAste

Fire warrior was the game

[zinc path]

big space wolves fan. is it any good?

[grave oak]

Ohhh yess

It is very good

[zinc path]

tho I am disapointed that most SW novels are SW vs TS

[grave oak]

Yeah the space wolves omnibus was probably the first 40k book where I actually understood the lore

[rich raptor]

William King is like old old 40k

[zinc path]

really enjoyed Wolfblade

[grave oak]

Before then I was reading 40k cuz the pretty pictures on the front of the novels

[rich raptor]

I honestly don't remember them very well

[zinc path]

was one of the few non chaos antagonist novels in the early days

[grave oak]

Picking a favorite is really hard for me tho

[rich raptor]

Prospero Burns is probably on eof the few good Horus Heresy novels

[zinc path]

top 3 then?

[zinc path]

one of Dan Abnetts best works if you ask me

[grave oak]

Hmm...

Battle of the fang is up there

Ahriman exile too

[rich raptor]

It was a good reboot of the Space Wolves

[grave oak]

Titanicus makes it up pretty high

[rich raptor]

And also deflates them quite effectively

They fucked up real bad lol

[zinc path]

yeah, recently finished Blood of Asaheim, it was pretty good, not Night Lords trilogy good, more Twice-Dead king good

[zinc path]

that a HH novel?

[rich raptor]

no

it's stand-alone

[grave oak]

Titanicus is a Dan abnett novel

First time I learned about titans

[zinc path]

ah

[rich raptor]

Titanicus, Double Eagle, and Brothers of the Snake are all non-serialized 40k books

They're all pretty good

[grave oak]

Any eisenhorn or ravenor book

[rich raptor]

Very good really

[grave oak]

Will make it really high for me

[rich raptor]

I've liked the Bequin books - you can see how he's more free to experiment in them

[grave oak]

Yeah even picking top 3 hard

[zinc path]

well not a big fan of how Eisenhorn is ordo Xenos but only deals with Chaos (from what I've heard) to might get the audio books this weekend

[rich raptor]

I'm gonna repeat myself - definitely give Fire Caste by Peter Fehrvarhri a read

It's definitely better written than most BL

[zinc path]

is that the one about the tau pov during th Damocles Gulf Crusade?

[grave oak]

Speaking of Damocles gulf most things with white scars are pretty good

[zinc path]

yeah I enjoyed that one as well

[rich raptor]

No, it's about a disgraced commissar on a planet, ostensibly fighting tau

[zinc path]

ah

[rich raptor]

It's well written and the 40k reference game is strong too

[zinc path]

will give it read

[grave oak]

Oh man the sanguinis book is coming out soon.

That's hype

[abstract laurel]

It was a "good attempt" game 😆 the book was better than the game sadly

[neat saddle]

Audible has some pretty nice audio dramas based on the Horus Heresy. Listened to the first volume today at work

[glass lintel]

I think that's supposed to be the point. He's obsessively going after John Chaos despite it being outside his purview.

Like seeing a Walmart cart in a Target.

[zinc path]

ah, i see

[tacit raft]

im too boomer, what is John Chaos

[thorn bison]

A description of a very generic Chaos character, such as a cultist or similar

It could also describe Chaos as a whole

It's not very specific

[tacit raft]

alrgiht, generic character related to chaos

gotcha

[wintry reef]

Infinite and Divine without question

[tulip pond]

Is there a book that explains what happened to the other 39,999 warhammers?

[glass sparrow]

If we really want to be pedantic, it is a story within the Sabbat crusades

[hearty musk]

Is there any good novels out there portraying the Wolves?

Most of their portrayals seem kinda meh

Which is unfortunate

[ripe cedar]

Been looking for books that go into the history but it seems the history is given in bits and pieces in all their stories. WesHammer's 40k timeline YT video was a really good watch

[glass lintel]

They are rambunctious space vikings. That's kinda the limit of a lot of their characterization.

[rich raptor]

Prospero Burns, and The Emperor's Gift

[hearty musk]

Yeah I already Prospero Burns but I haven’t seen the Emperors Gift yet

Is blood of asaheim or whatever good

[sweet surge]

to be fair i think theres alot of stories that you could almost just copy paste from norse mythology into 40k for the space wolves that are not "viking" trope with good success

[mellow knot]

OK, I did a bit of an update on the list.

What a day.

[glass lintel]

Waiting for Felhand to cross-dress as a bride to get a relic weapon back from the Orkz.

[mellow knot]

Prospero Burns is one of the most beautifully crafted books BL have ever put out - and it's even better when you listen to it because it sounds just like a saga. There's a perfect cadence to the whole thing that you don't pick up when reading.

[full condor]

until Echoes of Eternity, I would agree with you

[zealous pewter]

Wolf Brothers was alright.

Or whatever its called.

[zealous pewter]

My issue with the space wolves is that so many of their portrayals are that they feel so far removed from the likes of other space marines.

My favorite depiction of a Space Marine honestly is Holofurnace in the Tanith books. Its cool to see it from guardsman side.

[rich raptor]

Brothers of the Snake does a decent job

oh right holofurnace i think is from the same chapter in Brothers of the Snake

[hearty musk]

Question how do you guys listen to stories

Do y’all just buy the audiobook and play it audible or something

I’ve never done that for any warhammer book but I kinda want to start

[olive remnant]

Try audible, best thing I discovered in my life, first books is on the house so you can try and wh40k book you want.

[hearty musk]

Really? And I can keep them forever even if I don’t want to pay for audible

[olive remnant]

Yup, as long as you cancel the subscription before they free trail expires. You keep the book forever

[hearty musk]

Now I have to find what are the best warhammer books on audible

I was thinking of getting Warhawk and Echoes of Eternity

What do u think)

[olive remnant]

That is a hard choice, but you can return the book if you don’t like it

And choose another

[hearty musk]

But not after the free trial right?

[olive remnant]

Don’t exploit that tho they will stop you after like 4 returns

[olive remnant]

You can still do that

[hearty musk]

Oh damn

That’s insane

[olive remnant]

You get a credit

[hearty musk]

Audible is based

[olive remnant]

Returned a read 12 hour book 1 year after I read it and choose another lol

I would listen to the samples tho some narrators are better then others

[hearty musk]

Damn that’s good

[olive remnant]

Don’t know your preference but these are some of the recommendations I have.

[sweet surge]

isnt audible included in prime?

[fallen knot]

i don’t think so?

if it is then i’ve been missing out on it

[sweet surge]

even if not

[olive remnant]

Not that I’m aware of

[sweet surge]

audible is like a 10 bucks book each month

[rich raptor]

Ehy do people like audiobooks so much

[sweet surge]

i personally prefer physical book in my hands
but to everyone their own i guess

[neat saddle]

I like the voice acting and some include various sounds effects and sometimes music. Makes it more of an audio drama for me.

[ripe cedar]

Narrators make or break the audio version. I got hooked on audible after listening to the Harry Potter series back in like 2016. But i'd say i've listened to 95% of my audible titles during my drives to work or while I'm working on houses.
Production quality now days with the audio dramas are pretty insane too but those can really be a hit or miss.

Give "Red Rising" a try too if you're all out of 40k novels to listen to or read

I think i dove into the 40k series after finishing the Red Rising series. Tried to look for something like it on audible and they recommended me Horus Rising lol

[mellow knot]

Audible for me 🙂

[wintry tinsel]

What, it was an emote >:C