hivescum-class

[silver mural]

Is that our only 2 hander?

[mighty belfry]

but you need to really build around it

i wouldn't say it's a two hander but it's one of the heavier weapons on scum roster

[silver mural]

If its not a two hander they should change its name to regular sword

[mighty belfry]

tbf it's basically a falchion

and falchions are really heavy for their mass so

checks out

it's more

why didn't they just call it a falchion

[zenith pagoda]

I'm wondering if lethal prox + pocket toxin + chem nade does much, is the explosion larger than boombringer?

[silver mural]

Maybe irl, but in a setting where most swords have a power generator inside them or are actual chainsaws? Now the avg heaviness is increased

Maybe in vermintide the sword is heavy

[mighty belfry]

i've thrown a pocket chem nade into a really dense horde once with lethal prox and instantly got over 130 kills

[silver mural]

Im taking the piss please ignore me

[mighty belfry]

with crushers in the mix dying shortly after

and the horde was pretty big

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah 10 stacks is great

It just requires extra talent and blessing

[mighty belfry]

that being said

i'm p sure bringer radius is still larger

[silver mural]

Bringer do be kinda cracked

It was indispensable in the event

[mighty belfry]

base explosion radius for bringer is 7m

chem nade initial radius is 4m

[zenith pagoda]

Hmm

[mighty belfry]

i personally still like running aoe bistol with chem nade

[verbal dew]

it doesn't do it for me on havoc, bistol that is

[mighty belfry]

also because you can shoot into the radius while a mixed horde's in there to stagger them and keep them in the radius

[silver mural]

I want to like blinders but i am annoyed at the chem tox stealing kills from me and not getting the recharge stack

[mighty belfry]

really lets you lock down a chokepoint if you need the extra help.

[silver mural]

Im too chem pilled to use weapons that arent good for procing chem

[verbal dew]

I should try bistol crate splosion

[silver mural]

Bistol crate sounds fun

[mighty belfry]

try it with skullcrusher dclaw

i promise u

[verbal dew]

I haven't done crate in havoc yet

[zenith pagoda]

It's great for blight

Just spam crates and it negates the modifier

Lmao I just released

In the new update

Scum will have 5 dodges with a literal fucking rocket launcher in hand

[verbal dew]

ye there just haven't been blight since I started running scum in havoc

[zenith pagoda]

Idk whether to take the 50% dodge distance or nimble

[verbal dew]

I've always preferred the speed over distance, it was a bit overkill when it did both

tho launching yourself off of ledges is funny

[mighty belfry]

I think, if this is gonna feel like how it does, I may prefer the dodge distance. But I have to see how this actually plays out compared to Nimble.

[zenith pagoda]

Surely a longer dodge distance inherently makes you be in dodge state for longer?

[mighty belfry]

I'd imagine or, it doesn't actually make your dodge state longer, but because of that, you cover more distance quicker.

Since the time of the dodge is the same, but it's forcing you to move faster in the dodge.

Actually lemme see if Kuli has an explanation on that. I'm curios.

I can't find anything concrete.

[zenith pagoda]

I think +50% will much more noticeable

[manic wolf]

It'll be pretty obvious as soon as we get our hands on it, yeah

[mighty belfry]

Also means jittery isn't as big of a deal for this node then too

[manic wolf]

Idk about you, but im taking as many dodge talents as i can afford

[mighty belfry]

yeh but you can't have nimble and uh

the one with the dodge distance

i forgor the name

[manic wolf]

It'll be the dodge distance tbh

Dont need to spam dodges if one dodge carries you beyond the guard railings to cover

[mighty belfry]

lmao

and if i'm correct, it also makes you cover that distance in the same amount of time that a dodge takes to finish quicker.

but idk

this is like, the most significant dodge distance modifier in the game across the classes

and you can make that better

with a stimm

that being said, i do see some weapons being completely overkill with it

[manic wolf]

Most significant by a long way

TacAxe gonna be flying round the map

Clutch potential = all of it

[mighty belfry]

I'm picking up new heavy sword with rending blessing come the next patch to try it out

The rework looks really god damn fun actually

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah i forgot about that being a thing

Does sound pretty interesting

[verbal dew]

I didn't even know special spam was used against carapace

[mighty belfry]

Giving it an attack that overrides hit mass on carapace for that blessing is huge.

[manic wolf]

Certainly an improvement, how impactful it'll be given Scum is already preposterous with it not sure, but still

[mighty belfry]

I see it being outright better.

Esp since, you can also use it seamlessly while sprinting apparently.

It may not be combat knife level mobility but that should still make you fairly nimble with it now.

[silver mural]

Dodging crushers like i dodge responsibility

[manic wolf]

Real

[manic wolf]

Oh ok, thats certainly an improvement

Interesting

[silver mural]

What weapons can cleave through carapace anyways. Weapon cleave and how much i need for specific breakpoints is not knowledge i possess

[molten shale]

Carapace can't be cleaved (except with an ogryn cleaver blessing)

[silver mural]

With melee u mean

[molten shale]

Yeah

[manic wolf]

Arent power weapons an exception to that rule?

[molten shale]

Not sure, I'd check to confirm

[mighty belfry]

only power sword with sunder

[manic wolf]

Ahh gotcha

Not that you'd know when playing Relic Blade

[mighty belfry]

Relic blade users eatin so good next patch

[silver mural]

So heavy sword can now? Or am i misunderstanding goblin

[mighty belfry]

It can with a specific attack

[manic wolf]

Eatin up buffs like ass is on the menu

[mighty belfry]

Lemme get the details before I'm wrong on smth

[silver mural]

Special? With a specific blessing?

[mighty belfry]

The light after the special has medium cleave, ignores stagger reduction, and also loses the "abort" debuff that makes most weapons unable to cleave through carapace.

[compact oyster]

heavy sword special now deals brittleness

bladed momentum has been nerfed however

to 8% and 4 stacks

[mighty belfry]

Nah this a straight buff tbh

2.5s simply wasn't reliable for what it was asking of you

The slight decrease in rending is more than made up for in pure uptime

And it won't get completely blocked off by carapace if you know what you're doing.

This honestly, is the weapon change I'm excited for

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[mighty belfry]

I've always loved heavy sword but I think it's suffered a little with how this game's developed. Even if I wish the base ADMs were changed a little more, it does at least feel like they acknowledged that regarding this weapon.

And ended up making what seems to be a really dynamic melee actually.

[manic wolf]

They did say at onepoint they wanted the HS special to be a "can opener", looks like they finally got round to it

[silver mural]

Do you think itll have a faster time to kill vs crushers then other scum weapons with the update?

[mighty belfry]

I honestly don't think so, but

It's going to be completely serviceable.

While also nuking everything below it.

[silver mural]

We have a higher base crit then some.classes dont we

[manic wolf]

It already nukes Crushers because HV and Rampage rending

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword's maniac damage is bonkers.

[manic wolf]

It will be solid

[mighty belfry]

Also.

Heavy sword

Kinda counters purple now. 😭

I think it's legit the only weapon in the game that can actually stagger purple enemies.

I don't think even crusher special with hammerblow can do that

[vapid jungle]

Heavy Sword truther i love it

That weapon is already real fun its about to be amazeballs

[zenith pagoda]

All dodge talents + stim + shivs + dodge off ledge

https://tenor.com/view/fly-human-fly-float-human-airplane-meme-gif-5277954545468410794

[mighty belfry]

i do that, with just nimble

i'm just curious to see how insane combat knife mobility gets with the extra distance

[vapid jungle]

Has anyone else had half pipe moments sometimes where you launch yourself in the air when you dodge into a small hill?

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

Many times, yes.

Nimble moment

[vapid jungle]

Its going to be a sport

Whi can hurt themselves the most on the gloriana ledge

[silver mural]

I prefer my.swords to be solid, it helps when hitting people

Im sorry

[zenith pagoda]

The best ledge is right at spawn on dark communion

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/weeze-vpit-vkunia-veeme-troy-gif-25310810

[rotund agate]

sorry to ruin the joke, but what about hitting people with ghost swords that can also hit the soul/ghost of the person you just killed (and even if it can't do that, then it could still go through shields/armour because ghost logic)?

gotta think of the benefits that come with swinging around (partially) non-solid swords.

[lost ravine]

i am reminded of the brilliant energy weapon property from pathfinder
passes through armor and shields and only interacts with living matter

[manic wolf]

Sounds like a warcrime

[clever wren]

Yeah, it's cool and all, until you realize that for such an expensive weapon it actually kinda sucks, unless your DM is willing to bend the rules in its favor

[drifting heron]

Shardblade

Thats just a Shardblade

[clever wren]

Like it says it ignores nonliving matter but all it actually does is ignore Armor and Shield bonuses to AC (and also make the weapon completely useless against undead, constructs, and objects)

[amber mulch]

crowbar, dump stat, mobility or defence? a lot of builds bounce back and forth

[pale trench]

Mobility. Just dodge good and you don't need it.

And honestly dodging too far away is bad for melee Scum most of the time

[hybrid jay]

do you guys pick toxin mania for rampage builds?

[delicate basalt]

i just now learned that

there's backblast damage on the boom bringer

[astral canyon]

no

[river skiff]

Agreed

[exotic temple]

I have one build that paths through toxin mania because I was trying to avoid +1 blitz with blackouts. I can’t tell any real difference in ttk or dps in real games and the difference in the psyk was minimal.

[loud herald]

am I gonna be a bad guy if I go into brutes and blasts with rocket launcher just cause I want to get it done

[warm axle]

enjoy it while it lasts.

[loud herald]

I don't enjoy making other people not be able to play the game

is my only thing

I will feel guilty

[warm axle]

i swear it spawns way more crushers to compensate for ya. if youre unlucky and run dry get ready.

[low harbor]

queue low diff and speedrun

it's not a good event anyway

[loud herald]

oh yeah I guess I could do uprising huh

also are blackout nades still good without the blitz chem toxin talent?

[tranquil fjord]

good stagger

still, killing enemies would be better than only staggering them

[river skiff]

I think they are pretty ass tbh

[loud herald]

fair

[river skiff]

Focus on killing and you won't need them

[loud herald]

rockets do go kablam

[manic wolf]

Still good, yeah

[river skiff]

Serviceable with chem talent but yeah I don't really like using them without it

[manic wolf]

They give you something Scum doesnt already have - Easy access to "fuck all these things" stagger

[low harbor]

yes

[manic wolf]

Infact, depending on your thought process, they can be better without Pocket Tox because you get em back faster

[river skiff]

Scum already has fuck these things period RPG go BOOM

[manic wolf]

Sure, but RPG doesnt refill itself

[wicked dune]

sadly doesnt, but can if you have a vet

[manic wolf]

An if RPG ever gets dialed back a bit, Blackouts will be back to the top of the pile

[river skiff]

No but people leave you nades in havoc so it's fine

[manic wolf]

They're just the most reliable over the long term, an its hard to pass that up

[wicked dune]

rpg wont be dialed back since they are making ogryns big boom even better, essentially an actual nuke

[manic wolf]

You are banking on randoms at the end of the day, sure they will often feed you pickups, but if they don't? Well bad luck

[manic wolf]

Ogryn nuke only has one charge

[river skiff]

I don't need them it's just nice to have

[wicked dune]

and, they are making it bigger boom, being more affective

[manic wolf]

Sure, but again, they get one.

[wicked dune]

you'll see

17th

or even watch e's video on all weapons

[manic wolf]

So either its gonna be so good that Scum loses grenade priority, or its gonnna remain as mid as it is now

[river skiff]

I feel very safe playing scum so using nades is optional

[manic wolf]

Lule, im not watching Mr E, mans a vibe tuber and doesnt back stuff up with numbers

[wicked dune]

i mean after update, the toxic grenades and melee will be buffed

[river skiff]

I doubt

[manic wolf]

You could make the chem grenade one shot eveything in the game and it would still be worse than Blackouts or RPG lul

[river skiff]

I saw it and I still want RPG more

[manic wolf]

We'll see

I would not be at all shocked if the RPG gets its radius toned back to pre-buff levels at somepoint

[river skiff]

It doesn't delete ogryns which is kinda a problem if you are saving nades to pick people up from lost situations

[manic wolf]

I know for a fact a number of the playtesters think it was overtuned

[manic wolf]

If

But yeah, calling Blackouts bad is just a wild take lol

On demand giga-stagger is literally never bad, particularly on a class that doesnt have stagger without Blitz useage

Even better when you get them back for free

[river skiff]

I think scum has too high DPS for you to be worried too much about staggering stuff

[manic wolf]

You would be wrong

Everyone, no matter how good they are, can get boxed in or find themselves in too deep with a misplay

[river skiff]

I just personally don't feel like I need to drag fights out so long that I would need things to be staggered as with arbi

[manic wolf]

Blackouts are one of the best get out of jail free cards in the game, an there are plenny of situations where DPS isnt gonna save you

[wicked dune]

i agreee, staggerr is better

[gilded torrent]

i constantly get cornered all the time

[low harbor]

on-demand fast reactionary stagger can never be bad

[gilded torrent]

i like having blackouts to get me out of those spots

especially in maps like the carnival where you can get pinned against walls or surrounded easily a lot

[upbeat pendant]

There will be times you’ll still get overwhelmed, unless you got a giga good team that constantly pushes and plays perfectly, not impossible but rare in party finder

[lost ravine]

possibly positioning issue

[gilded torrent]

tho i do find that chem grenades can kinda achieve the same effect

[gilded torrent]

yeah

[lost ravine]

chem grenades not rechargable though

[manic wolf]

Much less flexible and not free

Chem Nades kinda just a less poopy Zealot firebomb, but still pretty poopy

[gilded torrent]

idk its just a personal preference for me

[wicked dune]

it is

[gilded torrent]

i dont really find myself looking where im going when im trying to zip around hordes

so blackouts or chems really help

[upbeat pendant]

But man when there’s a vet with improv in the team, you can use your rpgs more sparingly

I’ll probably just switch between rpg and blackout depending on if there’s a vet with improv

[delicate basalt]

are maulers included?

[silver mural]

Ghosts arent real silly

[mighty belfry]

y

[delicate basalt]

then i might start conidering using this

[bronze glade]

you generally should be taking both hypercrit/hyperv

[delicate basalt]

oh

[upbeat pendant]

aww man havoc closed, i wanted to try desp with blackout

[lilac crystal]

been running combat knife instead of shivs
it's peak

[pale trench]

We really need to remind the other classes that once we're aboard the Morningstar, stimms ain't free. They're only free when you could save my life under the influence. After that, you gotta pay.

[lavish bronze]

Havoc usually closes a day or two before update

[main trellis]

Don’t worry you won’t need to after the update hits cause pickpocket nerf kills pure range builds

[main trellis]

Human-sized enemies are all enemies excluding;
Bulwarks
Crushers
Reapers
Captains
Twins
Monsters

[delicate basalt]

Cool

[spice cloud]

Last day with infinite ammo better make it count

[main trellis]

Bad change imo
Range builds gonna dissapear (at the very best you’ll have hybrids) meanwhile needler spam will be unchanged cause it was auto included in melee builds as is
So 2 bad things; HS now its gonna be ONLY melee scum (even crate will be more rare cause effectively you’ll have 29 talents; it will share the same issue with indomitable from Ogryn for having a tax talent to access it; they really fked up with that section of the talent tree)

[spice cloud]

I agree they shouldve addet a cd aswell

Im not too sad that pure ranged builda have to go tho

[hallow socket]

Some of these new nodes are off tap

[spice cloud]

And honestly its a very mild nerf

Pure ranged builds are still very possible imo

U just have to kill 1 thing in melee every 3 magazines

I dont think that too bad

And pickpocket from ranged makes no sense anyway

[hallow socket]

The whole enhanced dodge I won't use because I'm falling off enough ledges as it is.

[spice cloud]

Allways used it so far

U get used to it

[hallow socket]

You can pick that or nimble

[spice cloud]

Or both

[hallow socket]

I use it but there is another one with this update

We get to pick one or the other

[spice cloud]

Hm

[hallow socket]

But some perks are inbuilt

[spice cloud]

Ill see if i like it tomorrow

[hallow socket]

It's all buffs really not like the hive scum really needed but hey I was worried now it's like holy more buffs

[spice cloud]

Have t looked at the new trees too much

[spice cloud]

I heard that too

[hallow socket]

I just seen it in YouTube videos for now

[spice cloud]

I was honestly a bit confused why they buffed hs

[hallow socket]

They might change shit on the last day as you know lol

[spice cloud]

I think its very funny that the glasscannon gets dmg buffs again

Like why?

[hallow socket]

Keen for Oggy buffs. The Zelly looks dismal poor preacher 🙁

[spice cloud]

Exactly other classes need it way more

And arby needs nerfs

[hallow socket]

Yeah aye now

[spice cloud]

I played arby yesterday again

[hallow socket]

Lol he got a few buffs

[spice cloud]

Lmao

I cant anymore this is just stupid

[hallow socket]

Zelly gets left in the dark for reals

[spice cloud]

Arby is so overpowered

Its almost impossible to dir

[hallow socket]

Yeah Arby slaps

[spice cloud]

I can legit just spam one melee move all game

[hallow socket]

Straight out the box level 1 Arby I'll never forget it.

[spice cloud]

Without thinking

And still win

Arby is so braindead easy its stupid

And if i ever get overrun i just BTL

[hallow socket]

I wasn't gonna say it but yeah 💀

[spice cloud]

Problem solved

[hallow socket]

It's the definitive unga bunga class

Sorry Oggy it's sad but true

[spice cloud]

Guess it needet some buffa eh?

[hallow socket]

💀

Makes you wonder 🤔

They obviously have favourites or something

[spice cloud]

No i expect nothing else from fatfish at this point.

Ive grown used to it by now tbh

[hallow socket]

The pay to play classes of course

Yeah I'm 6 months in and I get it now lol

[spice cloud]

Pss dont say it too loud

P2w in dt aint real

[main trellis]

Yeah; ppl won’t gonna do that - on average ppl are too afraid of shit

[hallow socket]

Cereal so funny

[main trellis]

That needs a nerf; its OP AF

[hallow socket]

So OP lol

[spice cloud]

If u dont fall of a ledge it is

[hallow socket]

It's gonna be interesting

[spice cloud]

Tho i admit it happens a lot

Especially on the trencg map

[hallow socket]

Just a bit 💀

[spice cloud]

I allways dodge off the bridges

[hallow socket]

Me

Had all of us hanging on a ledge the other day

[upbeat pendant]

eh this drops the dps for ranged builds significantly, im guessing at least a ~40% dps loss just from this change alone, but then again 60% of 2 mil damage is still good. but splash damage will probably make melee scum way better than ranged, we'll see when the update comes

[spice cloud]

All i can read is waaaah waaaaah waaaah

Skill issue

💯

[upbeat pendant]

im not even complaining lol, i like the change

[spice cloud]

How is dps even an argument?

Thats the whole point

[upbeat pendant]

cause thats the main comparison? for a build thats just m1

[spice cloud]

Of the nerf

[upbeat pendant]

yeah hence why i like it

it brings it more inline with melee currently

[spice cloud]

Wrong

The game ia not just dmg

Thats a rookie way of seeing the game imo

They get all these other buffs and still complain about a minor incomvenience

That doesnt even affect stats or anything

Or dps

Caus if u had the skill ur dps definetly wouldnt auffer at all

[upbeat pendant]

of course theres other factors, but you cant deny a person killing 70% of elites and specials by themselves at any range with no ammo limitation doesnt takes skill, its just too much dps

[spice cloud]

It doeant

Its braindead

Easy af

And honeastly they rarely do

[upbeat pendant]

yeah it is, holy moly im just saying the nerf brings the dmg down to normal levels

[spice cloud]

It doesnt change the dmg at all is my point

If u only held m1 for the entire game u play the game wrong

Even with desperado

[upbeat pendant]

absolutely not, no way you think a machine gun that doesnt jam, is the same as one that jams every 10 seconds

[spice cloud]

So melee does no dmg?

[silver mural]

It does for dedicated ranged builds whose gun objectively does more dps due to talent choices

[spice cloud]

Melee dmg is alao dps

[upbeat pendant]

that downtime of swapping and moving to the enemy and killing is significant compared to literally not moving and shooting

[spice cloud]

Well they can fo cry in a corner

Bohoo

[zenith fern]

Go full damage and no stagger

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1482427627166765178/Who_is_Darktide_s_Rannick_V1.gif

[silver mural]

Sure but in a desperado build your gun is higher dps, and no one is complaining you are just denying a fact for some reason

[spice cloud]

Cause its just wrong

I dont loose dmg when i go melee

[upbeat pendant]

yeah lol its a good change but you think it doesnt affect the build, like bruh the whole point of the change is that it affects the build

[silver mural]

Its not, unless you believe your DAP does less dps then your melee when playing a dedicated build

I play a melee build and my melee does more dps then my gun

Thats how damage nodes work that effect one weapon over the other

[spice cloud]

U literally spend like 3 secs meleeing 1 guy

U cant tell me that affects u in the alightest

Thats just maximum copium

[upbeat pendant]

now do that 100 times compared to never needing to do that, 300 seconds of downtime when you used to be just shooting that entire time

[silver mural]

Which is less dps then .5 seconds with the DAP

[spice cloud]

100 times?!?

How much ammo u need?

[spice cloud]

Honestly the nerf isnt emough they ahoukdve put a cd on it too

Poor ammo management shoukd not be rewardet

[upbeat pendant]

alot? unless youre not playing in havoc then its whatever

[spice cloud]

Wich is the real problem here

I aee poor ammo management

[upbeat pendant]

they fucked up by making hs guns so ammo hungry, try using dap without pickpocket, might as well just go melee build at that point

[spice cloud]

So veteran with iag doesnt exist?

Whats he supposed to say when he wants to rum full ranged build?

I need inf ammo like hivescum?

[upbeat pendant]

ok im just getting ragebaited, shouldve seen this earlier

[spice cloud]

Sure

[zenith fern]

[silver mural]

The main issue i have with the change is that needler doesnt really care as its usually the choice for melee builds

[spice cloud]

I agree

[silver mural]

And needler was arguably the biggest offender

[spice cloud]

Most broken of em all

However u dont even need pp with it

It has pretty good ammo econ

Like u dont need it on melee builds in general imo

[silver mural]

The talent isnt even op on some guns, i could care less if a shredder gets infinite ammo.

I also agree with that, i dont run it myself and do fine

Yeah unless its like reaper spam in a bad map position its not a nescessary tool beyond the odd special pick off and gunners

[upbeat pendant]

so this just flat means havoc will be 50% harder across the board?

[main holly]

i agree dap is VERY ammo hungry xD

however i see the change to pickpocket as okay as there are situations where veen with dap you go melee

• with dap i usually run the ammo share aura. so what hurst more imo is the disappearance of bigger coherency range

[main holly]

jarp + even more elites and specials incomming ^^

[silver mural]

Guess havoc 40 is now havoc.... 60

[upbeat pendant]

nice, that'll be fun, and now any elite enemy can spawn too

[main holly]

in bulk no less ^^

• the uggo modifiers xD

[river skiff]

What's hard terror point?

[astral canyon]

From what i understood its like the budget for spawning extra enemies during certain situations or something

[winged bay]

Terror points are only used for events/scripted parts

it will not change normal pacing at all

[river skiff]

That's okay I think

[silver mural]

Next change will be "rotten armour is now just a built in passive everything has"

[river skiff]

Lol I am not playing that gamemode then

[river skiff]

Scripted events felt easy compared with arenas

[silver mural]

Imagine if admonition figured out they can just put carapace on poxwalkers and enrage us. Imagine a horde but you cant cleave them anymore lmao

[river skiff]

Lmao

[river skiff]

How to make the game more interesting to play

Oh yes

CARAPACE

All of that shit

Ngl

I hate that carapace enemies don't have real weakspots

[silver mural]

It would be cool if they added joints with weaker armour or smth

[river skiff]

At least uncover their heads or something

[silver mural]

I wish carapace was as good in the table top games as darktide makes it

[river skiff]

That change would instantly make more weapons viable for good players

[astral canyon]

Would also make crushers a joke ngl

[river skiff]

They already somewhat are

[silver mural]

I understand the logic from a vidya game stand point but i feel it doesnt make sense for a crusher to not armour their head.

But i suppose armoured ragers put less armour on their head so it has a precedent

[river skiff]

Just for minority of weapons

[river skiff]

It's not good that they are uninteractive for most weapons out there

[silver mural]

That is true, the crusher spam was the easiest part of the brutes and blasts event. Crushers become threats when other bigger threats steal your attention and they get a cheeky one shot in

Or if you get cornered but thats a positioning thing

[main trellis]

They don’t have enough metal

[river skiff]

Lmao

[main trellis]

[silver mural]

Plus one plasma gunner destroys their efforts

So I get it

But it would be funny

Am i insane or do reapers sometimes have helmets

[river skiff]

I wanna play more weapons but I don't wanna be stabbing one crusher for 10-15 times

[river skiff]

When there are weapons that one or two shot them in the right circumstances

[silver mural]

Idk if its like rose tinted glasses or smth but i felt that weapons in vt2 that werent good into armour were still better then some of darktides melees that arent good into armour

But maybe the chaos warriors just had less ehp relative to each game idk

[river skiff]

It just kills variety for no reason

[main trellis]

And guess what; new dog has carapace

just circle around it lmao to hit the unarmored bit

[silver mural]

Only in the front at least XD we have the mobility to flank the karkers after pushing them

[main trellis]

nobody fking does it

Imbecilic

[river skiff]

They have uncovered asses at least but honestly I don't agree with that choice disablers shouldn't be armored period

[silver mural]

Im sorry ;-; i don't have the new game mode but maybe i will do it

[river skiff]

There's way too much crap going on in the game for us to have the liberty to kill them in melee after pushing

[silver mural]

The new ogryn boss looks fun, he reacts when you kill his hounds and has a voiceline just for arbites

With the new dodge talent coming to us i want someone to test if combat blade with the talent can move faster on flat ground then a zealot can sprinting haha

50 percent dodge distance is so BEEG

but i like the other talent alot too

[river skiff]

I think you can practically outrun anything in the game when you combine sprinting with dashing

[main trellis]

Flak at best; scab bomber is flak

[river skiff]

I don't mind flak

[main trellis]

Its broken; should be nerfed

[river skiff]

But yeah carapace practically demands melee execution

[silver mural]

The one issue i see is that when you dodge a crusher overhead you are now super far away and have to close the distance so might effect dps for some.melee weapons? But weapons with smaller dodges will feel like combat blade which will be nutty fr fr.

And gun builds dont care about being farther away after a dodge so there is that

Combat blade has an innate crit bonus not shown anywhere right? I keep seeing its 15 percent but idk if thats people also adding in most classes base crit of 5

So idk if we have a 20 percent crit with it or a 25 percent

[astral canyon]

+15% crit from knife

Also only class with 5% base crit chance is zealot

[silver mural]

Plus? So we have a 25 percent crit before talents

Oh

[lost ravine]

it's maniac no?

[silver mural]

Do any other weapons have a bonus to crit

[lost ravine]

what about vet

[silver mural]

Taxe maybe?

[astral canyon]

10%

[astral canyon]

A lot

[lost ravine]

Wot

[silver mural]

I mean hidden bonuses not the ones in the stat btw

[lost ravine]

was that changed sometime

[astral canyon]

One of the 5% crit chance nodes got turned basekit on the rework

[astral canyon]

Yes

[lost ravine]

ok that makes sense

[silver mural]

Is there a list for these hidden bonuses the shark wishes not for me to know

[astral canyon]

Pinned guide on #veteran-class has the values for every weapon that is on vet or zealot

[silver mural]

Ah, that is useful

But not for scum?

[astral canyon]

Not yet

Only vet/zealot exclusives and shared weapons

[silver mural]

Is combat blade considered op? I see alot of tubers (the you kind, not potatos) express its strength

[astral canyon]

Nah

[silver mural]

Potatos should learn to talk tho then id listen to their opinions on darktide

[astral canyon]

Dogass horde clear

[main trellis]

No lol
For a very long time now its flak & unarmored

[river skiff]

It does everything decently but not outright broken imo

[silver mural]

That is true, its clear only works when talent trees are taken into account

[main trellis]

And blessings; like every weapon in this game

[lost ravine]

except of course fgs

[silver mural]

At least in my experience I found the chem on crit and some cleave make a world of difference

[main trellis]

Nah even those

[silver mural]

To you peeps take the bleed on crit or is it pointless on us

[spice cloud]

Its ok arby wont care

[silver mural]

I have read some of the guide

The screaming cat writes a very informative and wonderful guide that is easy to understand and whose utility is immense

[lost ravine]

shoutout to screaming cat guide author

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-screaming-gif-25279230

[astral canyon]

Guide for screaming cats

[silver mural]

Apparently i use an inferior MK of taxe lol

But i am a sucker for simplicity

[maiden heart]

is the dual pistol special/spin animation just for flair?

[spice cloud]

I think its a guaranteed crit or something

It also makes the reticule very smal

So more accurate

[maiden heart]

oh okay, ill pay attention next run cheers

[spice cloud]

With run and gun and sticky hands its just not very noticable

Because its allready very accurate

[compact oyster]

does higher damage and adm

[maiden heart]

that is neat, i low key kinda wish it was a parry or something

how that would work, idk

[silver mural]

Its for styling on snipers for needing stupid things like lasers and scopes but the humble fent addict with a browning can spin it and fire a perfect shot into their head

[spice cloud]

Dual stubs truly are peak

Best HS weapon by far

I dont even wanna hear the DAP copium

[maiden heart]

i agree, it has mad aura

needler is okay i guess, but it doesnt make me feel good

[spice cloud]

Exactly

[river skiff]

Needler is just too slow

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[river skiff]

It feels shitty to use against anything that's not a boss

[spice cloud]

It murks carapace tho

Thats what its for honestly

U got melee for everything else

Hell with rampage it dont even matter

[river skiff]

Rampage enjoyer here LOL

[silver mural]

This is true, and its very quick to panic pull when smth you dont like pops in

[spice cloud]

Rampage with chainsword is just crazy

[silver mural]

The biggest issue with needler is its spread imo

[spice cloud]

Gonna be even more crazy tomorrow possibly

[spice cloud]

It doesnt have the best range

[silver mural]

Yeah i think 75 meters then it dissapears from the materiel plane

[river skiff]

I kinda wanna try heavy sword with rampage tomorrow

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[silver mural]

Which is fine inside the hive

Idk about expeditions tho

[spice cloud]

Honestly rampage goes with anything

Juat try it today

[silver mural]

Rampage is very nice

I like it for the stagger talent alone tbh, makes it easier to clutch revives in specific scenarios and its easy to make last a whole combat. And with chem dependancy it feels like its always available

[spice cloud]

I usually have it with adren frenzy

I like adren frenzy

[silver mural]

See i run a chem build so the extra crits from chem dependancy is very good

[spice cloud]

I only do that with crate

[silver mural]

But i get it, super easy access to tough regen and more damage is good

But with the new toughness regen talent for chem they are adding tomorrow to replace the current one ill have less reason to use adrenaline im afraid

[spice cloud]

HS is so powerfull i really dont understand how people wanted buffs

This is madness

[silver mural]

Heavy sword?

Ive not tried it myself

[spice cloud]

Hivescum

[silver mural]

Oh i see

Yeah we didnt need buffs

Gromnil armour was a funny talent to give us

Ogryn or arbites would seem to be more coded for that kind of thing. But I'll take it for melee scum

[maiden heart]

what do they want buffed?

[silver mural]

Just HS in general i guess, since fatshark is buffing us tomorrow

Clearly we need the help

[spice cloud]

I think people where mainly complaining that Hivescum is too squishy

[maiden heart]

more survivability?

yeah

[spice cloud]

The thing is the people complaining never took the perks that give aurvivability

HS has crazy dodges and movement

Wich is defense in itself

[river skiff]

Most people are bad at the game and need help

But yeah scum is so OP rn

[maiden heart]

yeah im by no means insane at the game

[river skiff]

LOL

[maiden heart]

but it doesnt need a buff..

[silver mural]

Which i dont know if thats true that we are squishy. Sure we have less tough regen then psyker but i think we have more DR then vet and psyker do we not?

And of course the dodges and mobility helps. Crusher cannot hit you if your dodge send you to a new postal code

[spice cloud]

Like whenever people posted a build they did not take second wind or hive city brawler

[river skiff]

I meant people who play below auric

[spice cloud]

Or any defensive perk at all

[silver mural]

I definitely drop more then on arbites but i also definitely have more games i take zero damage as well

[spice cloud]

And then complain the class is weakp

[spice cloud]

But arby does not have that dmg output

[maiden heart]

fair

[spice cloud]

And arby is also just arby rn

Also kinda broken

[tranquil fjord]

i wish hypercrit wouldnt rob the heavy sword of chained deathblow

[spice cloud]

In its own way

[silver mural]

I play damnation ;-; but i solod a damnation mission at one point so maybe i should tru auric

[maiden heart]

been using arby taxe

been so good

[silver mural]

This is true, but i dont mind it with break the line being on like a 8 second cooldown. The crushers die slower but they dont do much in that time so is good

[maiden heart]

dlc classes on top

[spice cloud]

Arby just has insane survivability imo

[river skiff]

The other day I was playing with my friend when I was levelling up some character and he was like 28 psyker and I had to pick him up like 4 times on malice 😭 I was lvl 8 or so lmao

[spice cloud]

Its allmost impossible to go down

[maiden heart]

no offense to anyone but lmao

[spice cloud]

Wich is a nice ying yang kinda thing with hivescum imo

[maiden heart]

thats funny

[river skiff]

Players who do not invest much time into the game will simply suffer on scum

[maiden heart]

playing any dlc class first is setting up for pain

[spice cloud]

Shivs rampage scum is the most fun ive had in this game in a long time

Squishy or not

[river skiff]

100%

[spice cloud]

It feels rewarding to dodge

And punishing when hit

[lost ravine]

i mean rampage + hive city brawler turns your psyker health into ogryn health

so not squishy

[silver mural]

I dont know about that, i was very very bad before arbites and now after learning to be gooder i can do damnation on other classes as well.

Which obviously isnt havocs or auric but its significant for my progression

[spice cloud]

True kinda

As long as u dont get hit

[silver mural]

I think the safety of arby let me learn the game and understand mistakes better

[spice cloud]

Too much

[lost ravine]

no i mean this class can take overheads to the noggin and walk it off

[spice cloud]

Can it?

[silver mural]

Its definitely possible with all the dr sources

[lost ravine]

outside of havoc yes

[silver mural]

But idk how many have to be up at once

[spice cloud]

I didnt notice ao far cause i allways dodge in sweaty panic

But thats what i mean people complain and complain and then dont take these talents that let them actually survive

Like wtf?

And then fatfish actually listens to them too

[upbeat pendant]

you can take an crusher overhead in havoc and not insta die if you got rampage and 3x health, just down, from what someone told me last time

[silver mural]

Yeah i definitely feel tankier into ranged stuff too. Having a talent that activates tough regen on hit combined with dodging makes approaching them alot simpler

[spice cloud]

Exactly

No other class has that

Its such a good defensive talent

And then they dont take it and complain

[silver mural]

Basically just dont get cornered and dodge frequently

[spice cloud]

Aka common sense

[silver mural]

A majority of my deaths have 100 percent been lack of map awareness and dodging into a spot i didnt know was a dead end

[tranquil fjord]

chainaxe scum so nice

[spice cloud]

Same

That and 50% trapper plus fire combo

[silver mural]

True, but on arby and ogryn if i get cornered its possible with one button to alleviate it haha. But i only have 52 games on scum so ill learn someday im sure

Rampage is a gem though i like it alot. It also makes randoms not pester me for stimm combos

[spice cloud]

Scum has rocket launcher for that

Just fire at your feet

Room cleared

[upbeat pendant]

randoms actually ask you for stim combos?

[silver mural]

This is true, but more limited then arby push. Boom bringer was extra fun in the event tho

[tranquil fjord]

how should i run stim scum

[spice cloud]

I only played like 2 rounds yesterday as ogryn

[tranquil fjord]

i have a feeling it would be boring

[silver mural]

Sometimes, enough for me to remember but not so much that id say its common

[spice cloud]

It is fun

Bonesaw

Needler

Chem dependency

Lots of crits and cdr

Can also replace bonesaw

[silver mural]

Saw is very good, combat blade and taxe can function as well due to chem on crit to get the stims back quicker

[tranquil fjord]

should i take coated weaponry with the bonesaw

[spice cloud]

With anything u like

[spice cloud]

Yea

[silver mural]

Coated is goated on the saw

3 stacks and you crit so often when built for it

And it means when using purple lean flavour you still trigger chem talents

[upbeat pendant]

it'll get better too once the update comes with splash damage

[spice cloud]

I think this is what i used

[silver mural]

And the new chem damage bonus is universal

So chem toxed enemies take mpre damage from the whole team

And better tough regen

So excited

[tranquil fjord]

does the melee aura apply to tox

or

[spice cloud]

Not sure

[brittle sierra]

This is what you do to bonesaw: 🗑️

[silver mural]

It doesnt i dont think, up to you if you wish to max crit instead

[spice cloud]

But ull be mostly in melee with this build

[silver mural]

I like max crit for max chem applications

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[silver mural]

Bonesaw is so good

[spice cloud]

Prolly better tbh

[brittle sierra]

No

[spice cloud]

Its not bad tho

[brittle sierra]

Even Jesus had haters

[spice cloud]

Bonesaw is fun and unique

And can be quite atrong with stimms

[brittle sierra]

Me when I see one scab rager in the horde:

[maiden heart]

ppl dont like it because of the combo right? its still block attack mostly?

[silver mural]

Bonesaw also when dedicated to in talents is part of a build reginald outdamaged psykers with. Dont underestimate the power of dots

[spice cloud]

Block inte heavy and heavy and repeat pretty much

[brittle sierra]

Reginald

[spice cloud]

Honestly pretty easy combo

[maiden heart]

yeah i never thought the combo was that bad tbh

[brittle sierra]

Yikes 😬

[silver mural]

He can havoc 40 duo do you think he is a bad player?

[spice cloud]

I mean ill admit the bonesaw is not the shivs

But its far from weak

[silver mural]

Shivs are s tier for sure

[maiden heart]

from what i can tell they just complain because its different and unique

[brittle sierra]

I can do havoc 40

I must be dogshit true 😔

[maiden heart]

not because its bad

[brittle sierra]

Saying that someone can do solo or duo is Tanner brainrot logic 💀

[silver mural]

Game harder with less players

[brittle sierra]

I thought we have moved passed this 😔

[brittle sierra]

You in his discord?

Let me check I have a lurk in there

[silver mural]

Wait a sec i think i remember you

[brittle sierra]

Everyone remembers me 😈

[spice cloud]

If u wanna hate on a hivescum weapon hate the crowbar

[silver mural]

If I recall you tend to be rather disingenuous. Remember dismissing an opinion due to the person who expresses it is a logical fallacy. Reginald has numbers for the claim and is a competent player, just because he is on your list of people to ignore doesnt make him wrong in his opinion of the bonesaw

[brittle sierra]

Truuuu

[silver mural]

We can agree on that

I want to love the crowbar

Ill try it in the update I guess

[spice cloud]

I hope they changed it a bit

[tranquil fjord]

are they buffing it at all

[spice cloud]

It was lacking in dmg

No clue

[tranquil fjord]

mid damage, mid blessings

superiority is kindve of eh

[brittle sierra]

Person did X content, therefore their opinion is correct

Truly a masterclass analysis, give this guy a doctorate right now

👏👏👏👏

[spice cloud]

I dont like the blessings too

[tranquil fjord]

if it had headtaker and slaughterer it would probably bump it up a tier

[spice cloud]

Well i would put that on anything then

[silver mural]

They lowered the stamina loss on dodging out of its beak attacks and increase the speed of changing modes i think

[spice cloud]

Headtaker is just the best blessing in the game imo

Super good

[tranquil fjord]

i would prefer if you could use the switch mode while in a combo to do an attack

on the other mode

[spice cloud]

Yeah

I was just a bit dissapointed in the crowbar

I imagined it a lot different

[silver mural]

But its not about the person, its the data they shared, its a logical fallacy in either direction and not one I am commiting

[spice cloud]

Just because someones a terrible person doesnt mean they are wronf automatically

[brittle sierra]

"logical fallacy"

Tsk tsk tsk

#hivescum-class message

What's next on the bingo chart?

[silver mural]

Dang so basically asking Sydney crosby for help in hockey is bad now.

Usain bolt doesnt know how to run.

Dont ask a paleontologist for dinosaur facts

[tranquil fjord]

reginald is a good player but his info can be wonky and off

[brittle sierra]

Appeal to authority

See I can throw fallacies around too

[silver mural]

Which is why he has data to back it up

[tranquil fjord]

you could do a havoc solo with a devils claw

[brittle sierra]

Interesting, do you know what this data is?

Please share it to the class

[silver mural]

You know how youtube works

[brittle sierra]

Nonono, you made the claim

Cmon, now back it up with the data

You said it yourself correct?

[silver mural]

You want me to go through the video and take screenshots and reiterate talking points when you can just watch the video?

If I tell you about a paper you can just read the paper

[brittle sierra]

You're the one who says it's correct but you don't even remember why 💀

What's the point in watching his videos for data analysis if you are just going to believe him blindly anyways?

Like do you even remember what the test was?

Was it a control test of horde killing?

Boss killing?

Even if you don't know the numbers, you should at the very least know what the bonesaw is better at or worse at

[brittle sierra]

Hell I can care less who is doing the testing, I am more curious why YOU believe bonesaw is "great" in an objective sense

[brittle sierra]

Oh come on now, I would do a much better bait than this 😈

[maiden heart]

living up to the name i guess

killer whale

not that im saying ur fat but

[silver mural]

I think bonesaw is great for reasons unrelated to any actual stats tbh, but thats because in game feel is what i go off of for my games

In the tests iirc shivs were the best overall

Which i dont think many would dispute

Iirc the exact context was tanner was arguing with reginald? But i dont watch tanner so i only know one side of that

Tanner thinks the bonesaw is bad i guess

[river skiff]

Far from bad just worse than shivs

[brittle sierra]

I just mentioned Tanner because Tanner unironically says all the time in his videos that if you can't solo the hardest content in the game, your opinion is invalid

[river skiff]

Compared with most weapons the saw is actually really good

[brittle sierra]

No Saw isn't even top 5 on Scum

Dogshit at mixed, ass cleave into raw horde

Only good situation is bosses and one shotting mutants

[river skiff]

Yeah cleave is not the greatest ig but single target dmg is good

[hybrid veldt]

so the stim uses it time then procs the cool down?

[brittle sierra]

It's also a very awkward weapon to use in general due to how the combos and the rake interaction works between sticking into the wrong target

[hybrid veldt]

and ability regen only works on the stim which you have to be in to utilize

[brittle sierra]

Single target is fine, but because it has no stagger it's horrific in ragers

The other problem is that the sticking animation can accidentally hit the wrong target

Similar to chain sword

[silver mural]

Reginald did a few tests to show with the right talents it can perform close to other weapons, but i cant recall the seconds difference. He then played games with flamer psyker to show he can do comparable dps which is of course not the best test as there is alot of variable but he was able to do it in multiple games to show it is consistent.

But maybe the psyker was bad or he was alot more competent then them i am unfamiliar with the player

[brittle sierra]

So he didn't do a control test?

"guys I did more damage than the Psyker on chain sword, chain sword busted"

Also I'm 99% sure it was the needle pistol that did most of the damage

[silver mural]

Games are too varied to do any proper control, the best you could is i guess use multiple loadouts across many many games.

But the psykanium stuff with the mod is in a better enviroment

[spice cloud]

Cleave is actually great with schock an awe

[silver mural]

Yeah base cleave sucks on it i agrre

But blessings and the right talents make that a lot less of an issue

Almost nonexistent feel wise but that isnt much of a metric past an anecdote

[brittle sierra]

Nope I need a control test

Because if you just do the cluster fuck that is havoc or Aurics Maels

You can never be consistent

Did he do a test with mixed horde?

I know he has done these tests in the past, I know he can use creature spawner

[silver mural]

Yes but i cant recall the ratios

[brittle sierra]

Incredible so you don't know why Cleaver is "great"?

[silver mural]

No i cant recall how many of each enemy exactly was in the test

[spice cloud]

I recall cutting down entire mixed hordes solo

It was just auric tho

Histg

[silver mural]

But like regardless we all agree where the unique weapons go in terms of order, i think the only argument is some of us think saw better then avg and others think its worse then avg

[brittle sierra]

Yes yes I remember cutting down entire mixed hordes with my punch knife

[silver mural]

Shivs are clearly the best, and poor crowbar is clearly the worst of the uniquez

[spice cloud]

So punch knife best weapon ig?

[brittle sierra]

I mean I think this is a huge goal post shift, but sure I don't think bonesaw is worse than chain sword

[silver mural]

Chainswodd isnt unique

[spice cloud]

Chainsword is better yeah

[silver mural]

What

[spice cloud]

With rampage

Even better then bonesaw

Forreal tho chainsword with rampage goes very hard

Its not weak either

[silver mural]

I have no opinions on chainsword, but also i said unique doesnt vet get that?

[spice cloud]

Any class

[silver mural]

Okay tbf what weapon feels bad during rampage XD

[spice cloud]

Bonesaw weirdly enough

And combat axe

But thats just me

Some weapons just feel wird with it i cant explain it

[silver mural]

I definitely dont agree, switching to rampage has been awesome. Less supportive towards the team but i deserve a little selfishness

[spice cloud]

Its more like my personal feeling

[silver mural]

Combat axe i havent tried yet on scum

[spice cloud]

Its very good

I just dont like it

[silver mural]

Imo the best weapon by feel alone is combat blade, the smoothness is unmatched

[river skiff]

I do not really like its moveset not because it is bad it just looks weird LOL

[silver mural]

Which mk? Or either

For me the peakness of the weapon is when you do the little flips and flourishes in between combos and stuff

I love swapping quickly from gun to knife just to see the twirl

[spice cloud]

Yeah its very nice

I think its the only weapon that does it.

[silver mural]

Hmm you might be right.... i think shivs sometimes throw them up and catch them when swapping?

But its the throw from the hips to the ready position so you dont see the start

Dueling sword might have a flourish but i dont use it, definitely would be a weapon that should have one

[manic wolf]

Yeah, Bonesaw is clunky as fuck, not a very fun weapon

[spice cloud]

I think its the only one

Stub pistols cam do the spin too

And have a cool reliad

[manic wolf]

Hopefully Crowbar feels better post-patch

[silver mural]

I agree bonesaw is clunky at first, it takes a little to get used too and i hated it at launch

[spice cloud]

Same

Ull love it eventually

[silver mural]

Then i just hit a sweet spot and started vibijg

[river skiff]

I hated shivs at first 😭

[manic wolf]

I don't think i'll ever enjoy Bonesaw as a Tacaxe main

Its just too slow to feel good

[river skiff]

Took me a while till I tried their good variant

[silver mural]

See for me im a taxe main on arbites and the bonesaw with hive scums mobility feels similar so it just works

I do want to try taxe on scum tho

[manic wolf]

You'll see where im standing on it when you do lul

[silver mural]

Im 100 diamantine from a 500 with 60 mobility once i get the last upgrade ill try it for a bit

[north meteor]

I'm pretty hyped for the expeds now

[manic wolf]

Reactive playstyle vs predictive is how TacAxe vs Bonesaw feels

[silver mural]

Tho my fave mk is the bad one apparently

[north meteor]

i gotta figure out if I'm scumming or being a psyker tomorrow

[manic wolf]

Its not actually like that coz none of DT's combat is predictive, but the pace of play feels that way

[manic wolf]

There is no bad TacAxe

[silver mural]

Yeah the saw is the thinking scums weapon clearly

[silver mural]

This is true, but i mean i like the one with only headshot heavies and only horizontal lights

Like a mini me of the rashad almost but with cooler imo swing animations

[manic wolf]

The MKIV? Thats the one I play 🤷‍♂️

Decimator stacking stick because 3hit special chain thats fast as fuck

[silver mural]

I tested it and it seems to kill heavier targets faster the the others and its simple to use so i went with it.

But im not good enough to know if im missing combos on the other mks that disprove it

[zenith pagoda]

So I'm using 4 stack chem dependency, but with a 45s stim, so I've bind my stim key to space (when I dodge) to automatically apply it so I don't lose stacks

[spice cloud]

Huh?!?

[zenith pagoda]

There's like a few seconds window before the stack runs out

It's hard to remember in a fight

[tranquil fjord]

but you can sit at 3 stacks and then stim into combat when you need it

so then youre at 4 stacks

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah but I always want cooldown

And building the stacks is hard part

And havoc is 99% combat anyway

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

its criminal that stim
cooldown isnt in numbers base game

and it doesnt alert you when its back up

iirc

[manic wolf]

Yeah, it goes from dark green to.... slightly less dark green

Certainly a choice

[silver mural]

Its criminal the color choice they made

Oh stim shady mentioned it

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fant4stic-say-that-again

[tranquil fjord]

its criminal

[silver mural]

The supply box makes it so much simpler cuz the big orange button glows

[compact oyster]

hehehehe

[tranquil fjord]

im criminal

[compact oyster]

funny

[manic wolf]

What sort? A murderer? A heretic? A drug dealer? Or all of the above?

[silver mural]

Oh no guys

My fent

It was laced with fent

:o

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[silver mural]

I thought that movie was a bit strange sometimes and a bit heavy on some of its metaphors but interesting and funny

Whats the word for it? An anthology?

[manic wolf]

Can only remember a few scenes, makes for good gifs tho

[zenith pagoda]

Also, sometimes the stim bugs

And it shows as available/unavailable when it isnt

[river skiff]

I think there is a mod for it where you can set it up to trigger after some time automatically

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I just don't use mods so

[clear isle]

even if u forget once though, it just drops to 3 stacks so you can pop it within 75 seconds of the cooldown to keep 4 stacks

or if u have sample collector its even faster

I just read a couple messages up and realized someone already told u the same thing. mb

so if I'm understanding this right, killing any highlighted enemy w/ desperado refunds 1 second of time, right?

so does this add 0.5s to that to become 1.5s, or does it mean it restores only 0.5s per kill?

or a third, more sinister option? cuz it says cooldown rather than extending, but you don't get highlighted enemies once the ability is already over...

[spice cloud]

But u have so much cdr?

Even a full stimm will be like 36 s cd

With chem dep

[zenith pagoda]

Huh

[clear isle]

Chem dep affects stimm cooldown?

I never heard that before

[zenith pagoda]

It doesn't

[clear isle]

where did 36s come from then?

[astral canyon]

this is cooldown not active duration

[spice cloud]

Ur crate is ur stimm

[clear isle]

yeah but in the message under the pic I was wondering how you'd kill highlighted enemies after the ability already ended

[spice cloud]

U use sample collector to get it fast

[unreal stirrup]

more accurate is the other way around

[spice cloud]

U spam crate not stimm

[unreal stirrup]

Unless they fixed crate when stim on cd

[spice cloud]

That way u never run out

[astral canyon]

it applies the cooldown reduction after the ability ends

[unreal stirrup]

it should apply stim effect even if stim on cd

[clear isle]

does it? ima check rq

[clear isle]

oh thanks

[spice cloud]

Even without the bug

[astral canyon]

its only 5 seconds tho which is not really worth the point

[upbeat pendant]

its really meh cause it caps at 5 seconds

[spice cloud]

I spam the crate and then have samplr collector for extra stimm

So u get a maxxed stimm on very low cd

No extra stimm duration perk needed

[clear isle]

yeah I just tried it, you still get a stack of chem dep even if the stimm is on cooldown

did not know that was a thing

[clear isle]

fair enough

[hybrid veldt]

the stim procs then once the stim has finished it starts to refresh after its duration?

[zenith pagoda]

Yes

Sample collector is useless while stim is active, and ability cooldown is useless while rampage/desperado is active

[light phoenix]

Hello everyone, been away from Darktide for a while

Heard Pickpocket getting nerfed? How much will this affect the old Desperado build?

[verbal dew]

prob not that much

worse for crate ranged builds

[near mauve]

0 effect

[verbal dew]

melee ppl running needler hardly nothing

[near mauve]

simply kill 1 elite in melee when u run out

[upbeat pendant]

if you were just holding down m1 the entire time then yeah it'll affect you since every one of those procs need to be in melee now, its still free ammo

[light phoenix]

Honestly I'm eager on how new Crowbar would feel

[silver mural]

It will lower your overall dps by an unknown amount (probably not alot anyways) in a pure gun build but hybrids and melees definitely won't feel much different.

Tho since it has to be melee now does that mean your own chem tox can steal the kill and not proc pick pocket? That would be funny

[zenith pagoda]

I can't see sample collector in the bottom right?

[silver mural]

Sample collector is in the middle now

Since it was so close to auto include they moved it up higher so people who just pathed to it and nothing else didnt need to touch the bottom part of the chem tree

[zenith pagoda]

Hmm

Now I need to take something else to get to chem dependency though

I wish games lantern would update the tree

[silver mural]

Which might mean you actually "gained" a point since i believe the middle is still 3 points to reach the abilities. Basically added the stim talent up there but removed gang tough iirc so its the same points total to path to the keystone.

Unless im misremembering

[upbeat pendant]

just get splash damage, its directly above chem dep, unless you running some sort of ranged chem dep build

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone have a screenshot of the full tree?

[silver mural]

The tree also has slightly better pathing in general so you might be able to avoid taking a talent you dont want to but had too in order to path to something you wanted

[upbeat pendant]

this is where sample collector is now

[brittle sierra]

Scum gets a rework 2 patches in

Arbi still has only 1 ability and 2 keystones

Society

[fast ether]

Finished these (and simultaneously all penances) right before the big game update. Hoping to see more penances tomorrow

and more penance rewards, please FatShark

[warm axle]

youre right, they should nerf break the line.

[zenith pagoda]

What's this one?

[zenith pagoda]

Ah the ass one

[vapid jungle]

The new castigators looks neat. Btl is just too good.

The nuncio buff was offensive. I wish it followed players.

[silver mural]

Well if they wanted more then they should have not been tithe rats tbf

[brittle sierra]

Give Ogryn pickpocket and I will forgive everything Fatshark has ever and will do on the future

[river skiff]

I would not mind tbh his ranged weapons are kinda ass

[zenith pagoda]

I can't because I'm going for +1 blitz, so the only next one to chem dependency is virlant strain or pocket toxin

[silver mural]

Id love to be able to have an infinite ammo shot pistol and shield. The feeling that weapon gives you when clearing a room is peak but its not as ammo efficient as some options

[river skiff]

At least the ones I tried

[silver mural]

Yeah i can see that, definitely dont feel as strong as some of hive scums

The shotgun is very fun to use imo and i like shot pistol alot

However its just the vibe of firing over the shield mostly for that

But its competent for quickdrawing to drop a sniper or trapper

[river skiff]

Oh yeah I can see that

[silver mural]

Vibes based gaming is peak

[upbeat pendant]

id go with pocket toxin then if you only have 1 point left and you have no other sources of toxin, virulant strain is alright if you can apply tox on a boss since its 10% dmg buff for everyone against it

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I'm using shivs so

I'm using a melee build and I don't have all the spare points for toxin stuff

[upbeat pendant]

rpg too i assume?

[zenith pagoda]

Since I want hypercritical too

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah

[upbeat pendant]

ngl if youre running shivs, splash damage would be great for you, id give up 1 rpg for the ability to apply tox to enemies around the elite i kill

[zenith pagoda]

I won't have enough for all the other toxin talents though

[upbeat pendant]

oh yeah you need to get coated weaponry first if you go straight down

[silver mural]

It effects how many refills give too tho so its very good tbf

But also so is splash chem

Its a tough choice

[zenith pagoda]

This is my build atm

On the new tree I'll have a spare point

[upbeat pendant]

you could get rid of the maxed out chem and stick to 3 stacks, you lose 10% acd, 5% crit and 5% toughness dmg reduction but you get a lot of damage in return and tox application, and you can use a stronger stim since you have more time

[pale trench]

For Crit Crowbar build I keep going back and forth between using Rampage or Supply for the ability. Rampage is the melee booster, but with Stim Supply I can use my Stim and put it instantly on cooldown and with Sample Collector every kill makes it come back faster. What do you guys think? Constant stims or Rampage?

[zenith pagoda]

I have a maxed power stim

I don't really want more

[upbeat pendant]

imo its either that, chem fortified or sweet spot

[main trellis]

Only that tbh; chem forti is very good i dunno why ppl don’t take it
Sweet spot = more dmg = better HV & HC

[upbeat pendant]

i only ever used chem enhanced, i will try chem forti out after the update

[manic wolf]

Wait till Splash Damage goes live

The combo of Sweet Spot + Splash Damage is gonna make HV procs giga-huge

[zenith pagoda]

I'm annoyed hypercritical is below swift endurance, idek why that's on the left side, since it's a melee talent

[main trellis]

Yeah fk that
And they make ranged builds oof but push for needler tox builds

[mighty belfry]

Tbf

Ranged builds are gonna be just fine after patch

My issue is