hivescum-class

[livid raven]

damn, all other mutations are so garbage it might just be the least bad

[upbeat gyro]

Cant decide if Dclaw or DAPs to mastery lvl 20

[livid raven]

actually nvm, some are pretty good with no downside

[upbeat gyro]

Mutations are actually mostly net positive but inbreeding deformations usually just bad

Like they are usually +2 and -1

[muted pivot]

DAPs are strong and fun

[upbeat gyro]

But when you have several such, you gain lot more than lose

[muted pivot]

Devil Claw benefits other classes too

[livid raven]

yeah birth defects are rarely positive

[muted pivot]

But idk 850k dead heretics and I haven't used one yet

[livid raven]

like i count 2 which could be considered ok

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i tried it at lvl 400 few times and while leveling, havent just pushed to 500 as Vraks IAG exists

Finally, from 300k to 70k to get it

Was gonna fire up Mewgenics instead already

Hivescum should get passive income from selling stimms per week

Best source of quick credits? Auric QP?

[verbal dew]

maelstroms aren't much slower

[warm axle]

yeah this would have been a fun personal objective for every class to reinforce them scrounging for resources. could personalize it for each class as well.

i’d take that over the now useless weapon upgrade mats that litter every corner

i havent had docket issues myself but you could always run +30% more from curios!

used to do that when ogryn could sleepwalk through maelstroms

[muted pivot]

Guess you could fence Melk goods for a quick buck

[tranquil fjord]

is it better to build around adrenaline frenzy or chem dep for a melee build with heavy sword

i have a crack meme build in theory with the rending blessing and perfect strike

[muted pivot]

I prefer frenzy on heavy sword but idk

Think you usually want headtaker deathblow

Since headtaker is busted anyway but on heavy sword it's a higher power variant, and deathblow is bromentum which supports hyperviolence shenanigans super well

[mighty belfry]

Frenzy

[verbal dew]

yeah heavy sword isn't a crit thing

[muted pivot]

It's not even that it's bad at crit, but it's not a shivs or tac axe

[marble seal]

I like chained death blow cus it’s free constant 20% crit

[mighty belfry]

Ya think it'd be better than headtaker though?

I'm willing to try a more crit heavy sword build tbh

[marble seal]

This was with headtaker chained death blow

[mighty belfry]

O

Well shit alright then

[marble seal]

You have so much power and cleave it feels like I have bromentum anyway

[verbal dew]

yeah you have to be scum to bypass deathblow here p much

[marble seal]

I haven’t tried death blow though

it might be better

[verbal dew]

deathblow is bromentum so

[marble seal]

I assumed more hypercriticals would be worth

[tranquil fjord]

i can only think of one instance where hypercritical would get a kill that you would otherwise not

[verbal dew]

yeah but hyper violence is an easier thing to specc in to

[tranquil fjord]

which is rampage crit heavies onto maulers

with the heavy sword

[verbal dew]

majority of my heavy swording is on zealot

done a bit on vet

and did on scum when leveling and penances

[marble seal]

Scum makes it feel like the power sword

[verbal dew]

think I'm something like this on zealot, with bolter backup for carapace

[calm aurora]

Too bad people are not reading kuli's guide.

No second wind?

[marble seal]

You can kill crushers with just the hsword on zel tbh

It’s not as bad as ppl say

[woeful hill]

it cant 1 shot crushers so bad

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-freddy-fazbear-fnaf-foxy-foxy-fnaf-gif-24852323

[calm aurora]

That's one of your best talents and you're taking questionable talents up top...

[verbal dew]

it's there

[calm aurora]

Oh wait

The other one

[woeful hill]

EWEW

[calm aurora]

It was next to second wind before

[woeful hill]

enemies within, enemies without

[calm aurora]

Dr on dodge

[woeful hill]

oh

a good balance

[verbal dew]

idt I'm ever enemies within, enemies without

[marble seal]

I always take that one

[verbal dew]

I don't zealot in havoc so I get by in auric

[calm aurora]

Ewew is good now

[marble seal]

That’s a good choice then

You prob don’t need in Auric

[calm aurora]

It depends

Are you solo clutching?

[verbal dew]

zealot has a lot of emergency toughness so

I just run all revive speed on zealot

that's my clutching

[muted pivot]

I guess ewew is primarily shooter insurance

[verbal dew]

I'm used to not being able to slot it

and I don't really want disdain

and I'm not going anoint in blood

[calm aurora]

People shitting on Auric because they're baby carried in a bubble through Havoc are the first to fold during a specialist surge tho.

Not judging you. But the one million of reddit warriors.

[verbal dew]

scum is the first havoc class I feel fine going yolo

I was too dependent on bubble with like knife ogryn

zealot doesn't do it for me

[tranquil fjord]

hypercrit doesnt activate chained deathblow :(

[verbal dew]

vet I haven't tried after tree rework

[tranquil fjord]

probably doesnt matter much in play but

[calm aurora]

It doesn't activate any on kill blessing

[marble seal]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[calm aurora]

So on melee that's bm, deathblow and haymaker. I don't remember another one.

Oh wait. Decapitator is on kill too

[upbeat gyro]

Sweet Spot or Coated Weaponry for Dclaw?

[calm aurora]

I have the same dilemma

[mighty belfry]

why not both

[upbeat gyro]

Because i want my pickpocket to fall back on

[mighty belfry]

lame

[upbeat gyro]

Well ive never done pure needler build, this is closest i come to using it more

[calm aurora]

Sweet spot for the parry tho...

[mighty belfry]

Wait is this a crate build?

[upbeat gyro]

Its your Dclaw build, just with pickpocket because i wanna try spamming some needler too

For bosses and crushers

[mighty belfry]

I mean

I wouldn't recommend it at all

But I guess you could take off something like

idk

Forge's?

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah was considering that too

[mighty belfry]

If you're really that aching for pickpocket

but at that point

why even run it as a melee build

[marble seal]

Once you start spamming needler you don’t stop….

Just say no

[mighty belfry]

Yeah like

[upbeat gyro]

Because its 29 talent melee build, with +1 to make needler viable too

[mighty belfry]

Needler is viable regardless

You don't need to spam it to make it good.

[upbeat gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/my-body-my-choice-arnold-schwarzenegger-junior-gif-19132812

[marble seal]

DONT DO IT

[mighty belfry]

NO YOU DONT GET IT

[upbeat gyro]

TOO LATE IM ALREADY QUEUED IN QP!

[mighty belfry]

THIS IS MY BUILD, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TAINTING IT LIKE THIS!!!!

[marble seal]

Bros gonna end up with 400k melee 1m tox

[verbal dew]

I have not run out of ammo in a h40 so far

[upbeat gyro]

I NEED POOP EMOJI AS BUILD ICON

[verbal dew]

I've gone down to 1 without vets in the party

[mighty belfry]

bro im only picking pickpocket for my team bro

im not gonna spam it bro

i promise bro

[marble seal]

https://tenor.com/view/boromir-sean-bean-ring-lotr-gif-9266722

[upbeat gyro]

This too, just can ignore the ammo can hassle

[mighty belfry]

Gunslinger, is right there!

[upbeat gyro]

I chose Dclaw over DAP tonight, this is what i will roll with until got coin for that too

[mighty belfry]

[tranquil fjord]

how does the bonus from deathblow stack with the weakspot talent

is it additive

[mighty belfry]

Additive

[tranquil fjord]

oh wow

[mighty belfry]

All weakspot damage instances are additive

[tranquil fjord]

so i could get a 50% weakspot bonus if i take the refinement too

[mighty belfry]

🙂‍↕️

tis why i finessemaxx with shivs

weakspot damage alone gets crazy

[mighty belfry]

also, in due time you'll probably get one

mob dump is fine

but i run cleave target dump

Cleave targets on weapons that already have good cleave and also talents to help cleave is really redundant

Esp with hammerblow since you're staggering pretty much every human sized enemy and cutting their hit mass down anyway

[verbal dew]

yeah the numbers are fairly minimal

[mighty belfry]

hell cleave damage with hv is virtually pointless

[marble seal]

What does difference of 1 even mean

[mighty belfry]

can cleave like

one extra poxwalker?

waw

so impactful

[marble seal]

I Need that

[verbal dew]

the way you go blender mode with this, idt I would even notice

I should've taken a video, it's so silly

[mighty belfry]

It's dumb how good the light spam is lmaooo

That strikedown at the end of the chain carries hv so hard

I was thinking of running channeled aggression

but ironically

because h1 is a swipe rather than a strikedown

it's honestly not as good as i was thinking it would be

[verbal dew]

I tried heavy like once on a mutant

[upbeat gyro]

Oh, i thought mobi was the dump 💀

[mighty belfry]

probably works better with mk4

[verbal dew]

and noticed it did squat compared to push attack

[mighty belfry]

ye it cleave target

sorry

i think i put that in the gameslantern link

[verbal dew]

you did

[upbeat gyro]

My mistake, checked the Emperor guide on it first

[mighty belfry]

Admittedly

[verbal dew]

mob is just default in ppls mind

[mighty belfry]

Cleave targets is a little more useful for other classes

[verbal dew]

when no defense

[mighty belfry]

So I get it

But this class

Seriously doesn't need the help

[upbeat gyro]

First mission played with this, took suprisingly long to take down carapace thingies

Like maulers

[mighty belfry]

are you push, light, lighting them?

also, it's not going to be the fastest at killing those targets

but

[verbal dew]

yeah reg lights aren't the best adm

[upbeat gyro]

Thought the toxin would have taken care with light spam

Gotta do more push attacks then

[mighty belfry]

yep

and the push attacks are really fast anyway

[verbal dew]

yeah and I think they do more stagger as well

[upbeat gyro]

Was quick QP as was the train one

[mighty belfry]

also

run crit stimm

max your crit chance

it matters not just because of coated

[upbeat gyro]

No idea what i have now, maybe rending

[mighty belfry]

but also because crits increase your stagger as well

[mighty belfry]

You'd think rending would be the best choice

Weirdly enough

I get much better results with crit chance stimm

[upbeat gyro]

Dead in aurics, i think this is missing some defensive talents im used to

Like jittery, could feel missing it

Sweet Spot -> Jittery

[verbal dew]

I wanted jittery too at first

but you live without it

[upbeat gyro]

Played bad too though, not used to this Dclaw with just 2 games

[verbal dew]

auric is also not high havoc in terms of teamplay

[mighty belfry]

Just, get unused to them then

[verbal dew]

so you're more on your own and if you're not used to it I can see you getting caught out at times

[upbeat gyro]

Im used to it alright, i just couldnt play good enough

There was some hivescum better than me with knife there too

CousinOkri, seen his name around here

But, i prefer going all-in trying out new weapons, you find their limits quicker that way 😄

[worn portal]

whats thoughts on slipper customer? seems like if you are running for your life with needle gun, its a good thing to have

avoid everything

[mighty belfry]

It's good for carrying batteries

I'll give it that

[worn portal]

!

[mighty belfry]

I don't think it's really necessary otherwise

[worn portal]

OF COURSE!

i am nothing if not a battery monkey!

[verbal dew]

yeah it reads like it's OP

but then you aren't sliding as much as you're dodging

[worn portal]

ya, it seems like very specific situations

[verbal dew]

jittery is nicer and even regained posture if you can afford it

but rampage isn't punishing anymore so stamina regen isn't as dire without it

[upbeat gyro]

Probably skill issue, but it feels like im not that good with this

But sure, its like lawnmover on hordes

Satisfying

Proof i didnt spam just needler, probably 20k-30k of that is by ending elevator, some noob went there killing horde for few minutes so i turned it blue and shot from distance to help

[mighty belfry]

so

if you're not spamming needler

why do you need pickpocket

It's auric

I really do think that talent point can go to something that's actively more useful for melee engagements

[upbeat gyro]

Because i like not having to think about ammo at all

(yes its that braindead talent)

[mighty belfry]

Yeah

Which is why I don't recommend using it

[verbal dew]

I mean you're then always going to have to live with making shots count while you are low

instead of just

being a bit conservative

[marble seal]

people in my pubs keep saying we need a "tank" or "frontline" to "soak hits"anbd its driving me crazy

JUST DODGE AND KILL STIUFF

[mighty belfry]

WHERE IS THE BUBBLE

WHERE IS OUR TAUNTGRYN

OH THE HUMANITY

WE WILL NEVER WIN HAVOC 15 THIS WAY

[verbal dew]

I've had very few ogryns in my last havoc games

[upbeat gyro]

One havoc team kept crying that we need more frontlining when i was nonstop staggering and BTL spamming

But if enemies come from 2 directions, the psyker still got hit from other

[verbal dew]

it's mostly scum, vet, zealot, psyker

[marble seal]

WHAT DOES FRONTLINE EVEN MEAN

[verbal dew]

sometimes arby instead of vet

[marble seal]

EVERYONE IS FRONTLINE

[upbeat gyro]

Well, as arbi you can kinda hold stuff down on their butts when waves of big baddies come

[verbal dew]

nah these ppl think psyker is some support stay back class

[upbeat gyro]

So the psyker can in comfy way just BBQ behind

[verbal dew]

like protect me

[upbeat gyro]

But yeah it aint like that

[verbal dew]

psyker can burn anyone at any place

frontline with your inferno

fuck norms

[marble seal]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PSYKER JUST SAID IN MY PUB

[upbeat gyro]

You gonna get overrun from every direction and that VC in black pyjamas with explosives strapped on him gonna run into that HQ bunker where the psyker is hiding

[mighty belfry]

oh my stars and garters

[verbal dew]

I never go inferno bubble in auric, like what's the point

[mighty belfry]

WHERE IS OUR CHORUS ZEALOT

[upbeat gyro]

Talking of which, gotta farm now coins for trauma staff, inferno wasnt for me

[verbal dew]

if you ppl can't live without bubbles in a maelstrom with random ppl

how do you get up in the morning

[upbeat gyro]

Trauma was my favourite 2 years ago

[mighty belfry]

WITH THIS IMPERIUM MANDATED DUELING SWORD AND FLAMER

[mighty belfry]

erm actually

veteran needs to stay behind

as they are the dedicated elite/specialist sniper 🤓 👆

[verbal dew]

does anyone like playing with focus target

[mighty belfry]

I do not

[verbal dew]

I am so bad at it, I forget I have it and just not tag ppl

[mighty belfry]

I do know it's strong.

But it bores me.

[verbal dew]

like I tag for my own visibility mostly

like if I need to see something better

or just highlighting some special

[limber cradle]

I don't mind it, I habitually tag anyway and it feels Witch Hunter Captainy

Its not more or less boring than WS to me

But MMF is the only fun thing down there for vet imo

[calm aurora]

Yeah especially with exec bolter. It costs less than going MF for better results imho.

[verbal dew]

WS can do stupid stuff so I like that

but MMF also hits a v nice spot

yeah I mean I can very often reach focus target, I'm always far down in that tree

[limber cradle]

Its moreso the fact that WS like FT kinda exists as a "do what you're doing better" type deal

[verbal dew]

I just don't want to

[limber cradle]

I guess MMF is too

[verbal dew]

yeah props to ppl running it

I just can't

[marble seal]

holy

[mighty belfry]

i have literally been told to put down the double barrel for this exact reason

[marble seal]

I got giga downvoted on reddit when i said everyone is the elite/special killer

[mighty belfry]

in the pregame ready up

[marble seal]

theyre enemies and you kill them 😭 😭 😭 😭 \

[mighty belfry]

guess who also got the most specialist kills that game

And nearly beat the psyker in elite kills

The same psyker who also said that

Who also wasnt even the host

[verbal dew]

reddit reminds me

[mighty belfry]

"Coherency is a huge mechanic in the game"

bro what year is it

[verbal dew]

the ratio got better since then at least

but it's still so funny

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1qee28v/why_is_fatshark_so_obsessed_with_every_class/

goldmine all of it

[zenith fern]

Yeah no lol

[verbal dew]

or wait that wasn't the downvoted one

sadly ratio'd

[mighty belfry]

i will always fondly remember calling someone out on reddit about not playing havoc because they were saying stuff that implied they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about

actually

#psyker-class message

lol

BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING

[sturdy linden]

DT reddit is actual cancer ngl

[mighty belfry]

I hadn't been on reddit in a while so yes it is on light mode

[sturdy linden]

other than the shitposting, which is quite good

[zenith fern]

This still makes me think a lot where did his ass got that from

[mighty belfry]

bruh

[sturdy linden]

[verbal dew]

light mode is fine on phone

or at least partial light mode, I don't run full dark theme as a system theme at least

I take a look every now and then for funny stuff

the discussion topics are rough

[mighty belfry]

DT reddit is really only good for the memes

Actual discussion?

Pain

[limber cradle]

You would be a redditor

[verbal dew]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1r54fig/neuron_activation/

[mighty belfry]

For a brief time

Because I'm severely autistic about this game as you can tell

But then I realized

"Wow, you guys are dumb" and just, never bothered much after

[verbal dew]

that clip was a recent gem

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

Absolute dopamine

[verbal dew]

yeah I had to make it to a gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1472526088751022146/BTL3.gif

[zenith fern]

Notice that is a furry that got that clip

As usual is all furries who get the most gaming sessions

[mighty belfry]

i will add to this

[verbal dew]

yeah I got accused of being one when I posted it lol

[mighty belfry]

it is

a clip to be fair

i prob should start recording more games tbh

[verbal dew]

I got my obs set up for replay capturing

but I forget to boot it with my PC, you're supposed to do that to be optimal

[upbeat gyro]

👀 💀

If that isnt heresy, then i dont know what is

[sturdy linden]

this person needs to be banned from the kitchen

do NOT let them cook

[verbal dew]

I want to watch my operator so I can do my frame+insignia matching with my outfit

[mighty belfry]

idk wat ur talking about

looks fine 2 me

[zenith fern]

I see a cat, some robot, olimar and a brown furry

[tender marten]

is this the new class leak

[upbeat gyro]

Its detail i noticed in this

Heresy detected, initiate purge protocols.

[mighty belfry]

b-but what's the detail

also

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1r90wk3/since_this_seems_like_the_direction_things_are/

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[verbal dew]

lol I remember reading that

[zenith fern]

the hell is this even supposed to mean

[mighty belfry]

i feel like i'm being gaslit

like I don't see the problem

is it the portraits?

[verbal dew]

yes

[zenith fern]

the ffuck is this lmao

[verbal dew]

having steam avatars as the portraits

[zenith fern]

Is this a darktide job application?

[mighty belfry]

someone's Havoc resume

[verbal dew]

havoc

[mighty belfry]

It's standard procedure

Come on now

[zenith fern]

The mod is the issue

https://tenor.com/view/regretting-thinking-nervous-macaco-monkey-gif-13105982953111325972

[mighty belfry]

I guess?

[zenith fern]

You can spy on people avatars.....

[mighty belfry]

waw now my evidence that a lot of the people playing this game are furries is no longer anecdotal!!!

[zenith fern]

the world has been taken by furries

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-baloongis-cat-nixly-weaky-repz-gif-25559792

[zenith fern]

this is just too funny

the hell you mean 1 and 5 runs

[verbal dew]

it's like ppl making the joke that you aren't allowed to fill a plane with furries going to some convention

[mighty belfry]

ME

LITERALLY ME

Happened to me a few games ago actually

But I was not cornered

[verbal dew]

because if it crashes then the entire IT infrastructure of some country collapses

[mighty belfry]

I was simply blind and deaf at the same time

Thankfully.

I had

The hard counter

for the Homeless

Also

That

Is exactly why you run Forge's Bellow

[mighty belfry]

the soap

that gibs everything

[astral canyon]

we should get that as a blitz

[mighty belfry]

trueeee

[astral canyon]

buff to ogryn rock

[mighty belfry]

DUSK was onto something

Or

David specifically

[marble seal]

dusk was good as hell

im excited for gloomwood

[mighty belfry]

I refuse to play Gloomwood until it's finished because when I got it like

WAY into early access

[verbal dew]

squirrel stapler was fun to watch someone else play

[mighty belfry]

It was so hard for me to accept that that was all I could play

[marble seal]

same. I dont wanna be left hanging

[mighty belfry]

Because I loved it so much

[verbal dew]

same with iron lung, I'm too weak for scary games

[marble seal]

im still waiting for ultrakill too

[mighty belfry]

tbf Gloomwood isn't scary imho

[zenith fern]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ravmjg/poxburster_hides_behind_trapper_to_jump_me/ most smart zealot player

[verbal dew]

dusk however I can handle

[mighty belfry]

Stressful maybe.

[zenith fern]

Charges thammer instead of bash the trapper

or shoves the burster

[astral canyon]

fraud next week

[verbal dew]

I love attacking bursters instead of pushing them on accident

[zenith fern]

honestly game is not really a scary one, it just more dread

[mighty belfry]

STOP LYING TO ME 😭

[astral canyon]

its not a lie

[verbal dew]

or even better

[astral canyon]

im being fr rn

[verbal dew]

sprint towards a burster

[mighty belfry]

i need deets

[verbal dew]

out of stamina

[astral canyon]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1229490/view/494969252845979630?l=brazilian

[verbal dew]

watch as it jumps on you

[astral canyon]

fraud next week

[zenith fern]

The funniest thing about the clip I could hear the burster

While it had the game and music volume at full max lmao

[mighty belfry]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sturdy linden]

my issue is usually just pillowfoot crushers and maulers

[astral canyon]

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

[marble seal]

Is fraud the last level

[sturdy linden]

cleave/overhead clocking me out of nowhere

[mighty belfry]

what is this audio though

[zenith fern]

deadass

[astral canyon]

8th layer

[mighty belfry]

like you can hear the ticking

[astral canyon]

out of 9

[zenith fern]

Full max volume

[mighty belfry]

but it's maxxed out for everything

[zenith fern]

I love the music but dude at least lower a bit

[marble seal]

So I gotta wait another 2 years…

[mighty belfry]

Not even just the music

[zenith fern]

And make sure you have SFX audio the most fair volume

[mighty belfry]

The audio levels themselves

Sound really jank

Extra bassy

[verbal dew]

I didn't hear it, but the audio mixing sounds off

and I'm not at my pc so I can't compare

[astral canyon]

prob some OS setting they have idk

[zenith fern]

Screen shake and looks like motion blur on too

[upbeat gyro]

My favourite burster of the week

[verbal dew]

I also speaker gaming

dogs are the worst

[zenith fern]

man was tea bagging

[verbal dew]

they should just not interact with bursters

[mighty belfry]

pinging bursters are we?

[upbeat gyro]

I have since turned off autoping including boxbursters in it

[mighty belfry]

ya

good idea

[upbeat gyro]

Thats the day i installed the mod

[zenith fern]

I never trust my and teammates dogs to tag bursters lmao

just because of that

[astral canyon]

what the dawg doin

[verbal dew]

yeah when you're just trying to tag to highlight it

I'm always wary of someone trying to shoot the burster if I don't tag it and show that I am walking towards it to push it

[zenith pagoda]

H40 pubs are hopeless

Every game I'm having to clutch multiple times

[main trellis]

Don’t be a fool; stop tagging bursters for your dog

[astral canyon]

it was autoping

[main trellis]

So even worse cause mod that does shit for you

[main trellis]

Maybe try LFG here on discord instead?

[compact oyster]

you couldnt

only when it was infront of the trapper

[zenith fern]

Still that was enough reaction to shove the burster

If it was not for the thammer power (for a single trapper) you could still push the burster

You can see the green cloud right behind the trapper before the net is shot

[worn portal]

what is dump stat for dual pistols?

does collateral do anything?

[astral canyon]

collateral is dump

[keen sapphire]

collateral is how much the shots penetrate enemies i think

stagger and supression actually

so if you use either of those

these are mine

[livid raven]

powderburn sucks tho

[low harbor]

It’s just stagger

[low harbor]

Collateral is pointless on every weapon that has it

[keen sapphire]

idk seems nice

[livid raven]

i don't really see it

[astral canyon]

suppression is extremely unrealiable

[mint birch]

like my ex

[low harbor]

Most enemies can’t be suppressed

[keen sapphire]

really

thats kinda dumb

i thought like only ogryns/monstrosities/bosses couldnt

[low harbor]

yea

[austere coyote]

is it just the rank and file riflemen for both factions?

[tranquil fjord]

no

[austere coyote]

then who

[tranquil fjord]

well

we have horde swarms of

groaners, poxwalkers, moebian 21st groaners, mutated poxwalkers

we have gunners consisting of

scab stalkers, scab gunners, dreg gunners, scab elite shotgunners, dreg elite shotgunners, scab elite machine gunners, dreg elite machine gunners

scab armored ragers, dreg ragers

specialists consisting of

flamers, grenaders, trappers, dogs, snipers, mutants

elite scab maulers

ogryn crushers, ogryn bulwarks, ogryn gunners

and then bosses

[austere coyote]

okay

how many of them can be suppressed

[tranquil fjord]

oh

dont know, dont ever try to suppress them

[livid raven]

stalkers, all gunners, bruisers i think

i think i'm missing someone

i think groaners can also be suppressed

ok i checked, groaners, dreg gunners, dreg stalkers, scab gunners, scab shooters, Reapers, Scab stalkers

[zenith fern]

Pretty much all shooters and groanerw

[livid raven]

and scab radio operator

can't forget about the scab radio operator

[zenith fern]

stop dreaming

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-406

[livid raven]

but yeah, basically only chaff, the elite gunners (and i don't think they can be suppressed once they start shooting) and reapers

i don't think dual stubs is good at suppressing either

[keen sapphire]

whats the fastest way to get generous

ive been trying and god its just so slow

[tranquil fjord]

it is interesting that the design team chose to armor only the bladesman's garb's left arm instead of the right

[keen sapphire]

like 100-200 per mission

[tranquil fjord]

you would think that they would armor the arm which holds the weapon instead of the other which is commonly used for balancing

although it depends if the wearer is using a one handed or two handed weapon

[keen sapphire]

with shivs left arm is what you push with so

[livid raven]

i think the dude is meant to use that armored arm as a shield

[tranquil fjord]

damnations, aurics, events

you can run havoc for the weekly crate

[tranquil fjord]

ah

[livid raven]

maybe, i dunno

looks silly either way

[tranquil fjord]

most other opponents would be right handed

and their attacks would come facing you from their right, to your left

[keen sapphire]

yea but im using a weird loadout just for the penance

since i dont run gunslinger normally

[tranquil fjord]

low havocs exist

[keen sapphire]

i just dont feel like waiting 30 minutes for enough people

[mighty belfry]

funny thing i just noticed also

scum will go down from an overhead

they won't immediately die

at least while rampage is active

[mint birch]

Are we 500% sure the Damage affects only the projectile and not the Dot?

[woeful hill]

inspect the weapon stats

[astral canyon]

yes

[mint birch]

Hmm but then wouldnt the dmg to unyielding and carapace also be only attributed to the projectile?

[astral canyon]

no

tox damage is affected by the perks of the currently held weapon

[mint birch]

Ok didnt know that thanks

[woeful hill]

all dots are effected by the current wielded weapon's perks

[lost ravine]

does needle pistol also apply double dot stacks on crit or is that just a flamer thing

[astral canyon]

#hivescum-class message

[lost ravine]

[mint birch]

The Chem Scum is so fucking squishy holy

[mighty belfry]

I love

Fatscum

Finally got my got damn 40

[maiden rune]

how hard is this class. i struggle dodging but really want to get/play this class

[neat delta]

The difficulty is how little health you have

Which makes dodging a whoooole lot more important

[maiden rune]

is it fun though?

[neat delta]

Very

Very fun yeah

Also

The stamina regen is crazy

You'll pretty much never be short of it if you pay attention to it consistently

Also

Again, dodging has a lot of emphasis

Dodge regen is almost instant

Stop dodging for like half a second and its back

[maiden rune]

do you have any advice on how to get better at doging

[neat delta]

Dodge at a rhythym and practice dodging crushers

Time your dodges especially when dealing with maulers and crushers

Pay attention to how many dodges you use as well.

Don't want to be caught without them

[mighty belfry]

You ever notice that whooshing sound that comes up sometimes?

[maiden rune]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

That's a cue to dodge.

[maiden rune]

i see

[mighty belfry]

That's something swinging at you from behind.

Also, it's best to try and keep your dodges side to side rather than dodging backwards

[worn portal]

what is fatscum

[mighty belfry]

this. five poxbursters with a scum with all health curios and two +5% health perks

i have made the "glass" cannon

not very glass

so for context also

this is with the h40 health debuff

so it'd be more in auric and below

[worn portal]

tell me your power

rampage+defense stim?

[mighty belfry]

nope

just rampage

[worn portal]

thats enough?

[mighty belfry]

and max stamina for brawler

which is really not hard to accomplish with two stamina regen curios

unfortunately only zealot can really eat overheads in h40 with fatmangus build but at least you don't immediately die like usual and just get downed instead

[worn portal]

health vs toughness... thoughts?

thought it used to be about maxing toughness

[mighty belfry]

i'ma be real

i prefer higher health

at least for rampage scum

[flat mist]

Arbites can with the max 50 damage taken talent

[mighty belfry]

tbf that's kind of a specific contigency rather than just from pure stats

[flat mist]

Dying from the fall damage is so funny lmao

[mighty belfry]

but ya you're right

[flat mist]

Oh fair, didnt realise thats what you meant

[mighty belfry]

I think ogryn can too actually?

I think someone was doing the same thing in ogryn chat

but yeah this feels

shockingly comfy for what was a throw in the water

[mighty belfry]

I am here to say.

Lies.

Slander!!!

This will be my biggest contribution of propaganda to this server

wait

i need to check one more thing

auric crusher

oh well that's with three +5% health but that wouldn't change that i survive the overhead with a decent chunk of health left

just

a tad less

[pallid coral]

i love auto gun build its just too good

66 rounds go brrrrrrrrrrr

[nova valley]

Yes exactly!

A lot of ppl on Discord don't know what they are talking about. And the less they know the more they talk

[mighty belfry]

I mean

I was being a bit facetious

Baseline

Scum health pool isn't great

But

Maxing their health out with curios and perks, actually makes a big difference in survivability

At the cost of just needing to be a little more wary of ranged threats

[verbal dew]

yeah it's been handy, but unfortunately I've been caught by them 50/50 with and without rampage

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it sucks when it's not up, but it's still a really nice bonus when it comes up and someone can get the revive off

It's also nice being

Probably one of the only hive scum that can actually accomplish that because everyone is usually toughness maxxing or mixing a stam curio in lol

[verbal dew]

it can't be much you're surviving with, rampage is what, 25% DR?

[mighty belfry]

oh you don't survive technically

you still do go down

but you only go down

[verbal dew]

ye ik

[mighty belfry]

you don't just die

[verbal dew]

just not enough corruption

[distant oracle]

Naw I run max stam

[mighty belfry]

But yeah the amount of corruption must be like

right at the edge of the wound

[mint birch]

whats the crowbar good for?

[keen sapphire]

kinda like shovel with switch

but kinda clunky

since its a permanent mode switch until you switch back

instead of just a special hit

[exotic temple]

It’s an interesting weapon but they just didn’t execute it well

You can farm the penance for kills while stimmed because the regular mode has pretty flat heavies and once you get hv going It can do well into hordes

[mint birch]

Sadge wanted to try something new

ill stil lgive a try for the penance and just to fuck around

[exotic temple]

If hvs didn’t have access to caxe and taxe there might have been a place for crowbar

[verbal dew]

blessings hurt it as well

you just don't really have anything to rival shovel

[exotic temple]

It has pretty decent ttk into crushers but the sticky attacks make it very dangerous. If it had the best ttk into crushers there might be a justification, but caxe just does the same thing with no downsides. You do get a different mode with crowbar that is supposed to be good for horde clear but taxe does better. You can start stacking hvs on crowbar heavies and get decent dmg but taxe you just light spam and do better

It would have been interesting to see someone running can opener and another person purple bonesaw so the desperado scum could get full dmg into crushers. That level of coordination just doesn’t exist

[verbal dew]

ye it's just not a 1v3 situation like that in real games

if it's not a monster, most brittle targets are just for yourself

[upbeat gyro]

I gotta make the Caxe for Desperado (chain down captain shields) and why not try rampage too

Too many weapons, too little resources, tried Dclaw lastnight and wasnt completely sold on it though it was fun

[lavish bronze]

claw mode fucks up single target while blunt mode stuns group quite well

best used with rampage

and durability stimms

crowbar really likes melee builds

[livid raven]

nothing generally

[mint birch]

I hate that you can tell they were going for Dual Wield weapons too but didnt do it at the end

[unique spire]

No?

That's just

Art

Like the ogryn art on the left side of the tree having him dual wield 2 knifes

[mighty belfry]

Fatshark will feed you lies with the archetype art

[verbal dew]

miguel giving us hope

fs taking it away

[mint birch]

[livid raven]

yeah can't wait for that heavy stubber

[unique spire]

Can't wait for Saltzpyre sword and pistol to be added for Veteran

[mint birch]

I mean

Afaik its been like that with other games

[verbal dew]

it's nice to see tho when miguel's art and outfits available match

[mint birch]

idk if the art team in Darktide is just slow then maybe

[livid raven]

they sure add weapons very slowly

[verbal dew]

I mean most concept art in games aren't featured on the build screen

[mighty belfry]

that heavy stubber's been there since forever

[mint birch]

i mean is like what what ? 5k Players or something? Im amazed they relasee new clases

[livid raven]

maybe if they added more content faster it would have more players

[mint birch]

Not when the art is ingame usually or in Talents

[verbal dew]

that's what I meant

concept art usually isn't that front and center in other games

at best there's a concept art page you can look at stuff

[lavish bronze]

10k stable player base

Thats what dt has

Spikes during updates

[olive yoke]

this mask goes hard

[flint granite]

CYBERSTAN
CAN'T KEEP HER DOWN

[neon fern]

@gentle vessel

[gentle vessel]

Based and truepilled.

[verbal dew]

no inferno around to steal my kills

[lost ravine]

what are you doing outside of the theorycraft channel

[gentle vessel]

Got pinged so I had to put my hazmat suit on real quick

[lost ravine]

the emperor protects

[mint birch]

Which vraks is the OP one for the Desperado Build?

MK II or MKVI ?

[lost ravine]

probably the infantry autogun

but i am sure the braced is good too on scum

[mint birch]

ty

[zenith fern]

Infantry is the better option

But braced works and can be fun

[verbal dew]

ye this sure looks stupid

[nova valley]

You mean the playstyle?

[lost ravine]

hilarious horde clear honestly

[flint granite]

I used to use the dclaw a ton on vet I should try it on scum

[lost ravine]

also recommend knife

[verbal dew]

it's effective but looks silly

rager butter

[nova valley]

How people complain of a despacito hs runnin around but not about a zooming dodgin melee rampage maniac, it's a mystery. I still think they are both a valid and funny way to play

[verbal dew]

ig they steal kills from a distance

and can run in to fire and run ahead and such

[zenith fern]

Ranged abilities on a melee focused game is not as hyped as getting close

And start slashing everything

[lost ravine]

"why don't you partake in glorious melee combat?"

[nova valley]

I mean, I wouldn't complain if the DPS "steal" kills, no matter the distance. If we are talking about not letting others play, I don't care if the one not letting me play is in front of me or behind

[zenith fern]

Watch the trigger discipline, you mucker

[upbeat gyro]

I kept running out of hordes to kill with Dclaw lastnight, too low difficulty to have enough of em

They just disappeared when they appeared with few swings

As was only testing it in aurics

[tranquil fjord]

i think forcing hive scum into melee or within melee range of enemy units would fix this

[upbeat gyro]

Thats where the problems began to show as on harder targets it was slightly underperforming, compared to say Tac Axe or Shivs

[lost ravine]

or knife

[lost ravine]

what is being fixed

[upbeat gyro]

Havent tried that one yet so no comment

[lost ravine]

felt pretty good to me

sometimes does mauler onetaps

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah hyperviolence and hypercritic can do wild stuff

[lost ravine]

yeah was probably hypercritical

[tranquil fjord]

ranged scum feeling oppressive

[upbeat gyro]

And perhaps hyperviolence first building up into that hypercrit

[lost ravine]

does wizza psyker also feel oppressive

i wonder if hypercrit can reach crusher oneshots with revolvo

[upbeat gyro]

Dclaw

Tacaxe

Shivs

Can see why Dclaw while just deletes unarmoured and infested, starts to struggle into harder stuff

[lost ravine]

whatabout the uhh

hsword

[tranquil fjord]

no i just think theres a discrepancy between their intended design and the outcome

[upbeat gyro]

Hsword

[lost ravine]

perhaps i have not been made familiar with the outcome you speak of

[nova valley]

Teammates not realising that in a team game you have to play as a team, feels oppressive

[upbeat gyro]

Tac Axe is on other end on clearing though as maxes dmg basicly on 3, gotta click lot more on weakest chaff

[calm aurora]

Tac axe has access to bm so horde clear was never a problem tbh

[vapid jungle]

Hsword isnt good into carapace but the optimal single target involves the special which is pretty weird feeling

The rending on heavy node for rampage makes it nuts

[lost ravine]

tac axe has been slept on for a long time i think

[edgy saddle]

ngl the devils claw feels kinda wild

[calm aurora]

Not since last year

[lost ravine]

yes true but before that

[calm aurora]

Yeah totally

[edgy saddle]

nah it was meta when the game launched and kinda took the backseat spot like the knife where its always good just more interesting or outright better options exits

[calm aurora]

Dclaw is a good defensive weapon for vet and psyker. And can be bonkers on scum and critlot

[calm aurora]

Knife came back in the spotlight much earlier. But its reputation suffered from zealots speedrunning.

[edgy saddle]

tbh i want combat axe buffs i love the moveset its just so bad

[calm aurora]

Rashad doesn't need buffs. Antax and achlys on the other hand...

[vapid jungle]

Achyls needs an effective but perhaps difficult to manage horde clear combo

[sturdy linden]

laughs in Rashad

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

rashad is literally the strongest hive scum melee lol

[sturdy linden]

One of the strongest melees overall no

[bronze glade]

yeah

[limber cradle]

Are you using brutal momentum

[zenith pagoda]

Shivs are best

They had to nerf the blessings

[river skiff]

I went from thinking shivs are trash when I bought the class to this is the most broken thing out there xDD

[warm axle]

its too much fun, tbh

[zenith pagoda]

Has zealots blitz built in, but better

[lost ravine]

i think knife better but maybe that is simply because it is more familiar

double shanks still good

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a11fe48b-dc4b-4c3c-94fa-07dcf94bc769/devils-claw-why-does-this-work here u go

Is the same build Kal's using

[zealous ravine]

even the dclaw does dmg with a million scum buffs

[mighty belfry]

Got me my assignment 40 yesterday lol

After many cases of bad luck

[lost ravine]

no quick and deadly?

[mighty belfry]

Overrated

Uptime isn't great for 15% extra damage

[limber cradle]

is this not basically just a scum melee build with sweet spot instead of pick, tree wise

[flint granite]

thanks

[mighty belfry]

Pretty much lmao

It's more the weapon setup to consider

Which, I did figure out the one major weakness it does have

[limber cradle]

hammerblow was always default on dclaw to me tbh

[mighty belfry]

Ourple

[limber cradle]

tbf purple is purple

it just kinda sucks

[mighty belfry]

It's worse now

[limber cradle]

what'd they do?

[mighty belfry]

Because you're just not able to normally stagger them

It has to be a forced stagger

Because they got changed to have like

-300% impact

Which

[lost ravine]

ah, yes

DWONS darktide

[mighty belfry]

Idk who tf asked for that

[limber cradle]

no one

fatshark just be doing shit

[mighty belfry]

Like

At this point just take purple out

I'd deadass rather play Rotten now

[limber cradle]

Look

I'm sure you've been here for one of my numerous havoc modifiers rants

[marble seal]

At least the purple guys get filtered out from the blob easier now

[lost ravine]

fatshark injecting havoc players with pure suffering

[marble seal]

Since they just keep holding w

[zealous ravine]

delete havoc pleassseee

[mighty belfry]

Oh trust me and I very much agree with quite a few of em

[lost ravine]

real

[livid raven]

My bad

[limber cradle]

Thank god cause I'm sick of doing them lol

[lost ravine]

also delete dukane

[zealous ravine]

if you toss dukane out havoc is gone too

[limber cradle]

But keep the guards over there

I like those two

[zealous ravine]

what if they take over havoc and it still exists then

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

[lost ravine]

idk they seem chill i think they would take out the modifiers

[zealous ravine]

no loose ends they're going out the airlock

[limber cradle]

Deeply unprofessional havoc missions would be funny

[zealous ravine]

i mean

if they dont have derank

im ok with it

[lost ravine]

derank bad

party finder bad

havoc qp when

[mighty belfry]

Havoc bad

[limber cradle]

Modifiers continously fucking over the games engine?

Bad

[zealous ravine]

havoc was a big mistake

[lost ravine]

make rules
decide to start ignoring rules
profit

[limber cradle]

From a game direction standpoint I agree but I do want something harder than auric around

[zealous ravine]

just add new mission board difficulties

[mighty belfry]

Super Duper Auric

[zealous ravine]

or make havoc not miserable i guess

[limber cradle]

I wonder if havoc was a player retention decision in the same vein as old rng weapons

[zealous ravine]

it has to be

theres no reason to have derank otherwise

[limber cradle]

Like adding a rank/derank system incenti

Yeah

Exactly

[marble seal]

Derank was fun in season 1 when climbing for the first time

[zealous ravine]

derank was good the first time yeah

[lost ravine]

but derank is a part of mythic+ which havoc is a direct conversion of

[zealous ravine]

after that i want to KILL dukane

[lost ravine]

complete with Weekly Chests™

[marble seal]

Now you just wanna get 40 and fuck around

[mighty belfry]

Light spam for trash hordes, push + light + light for single target/mixed horde

[limber cradle]

Tbh my biggest issue with derank is when you lose pips to the servers

I've had FS servers eat 3 havoc missions in a row before and I deranked

Stopped playing havoc for like 3 weeks

[livid raven]

A ranked mode in a pve game is so crazy to me

[limber cradle]

I can logically understand it

There'd be "competitive darktide" among upper echelon people anyway

Fastest speedrun times, solos, etc etc

[mighty belfry]

It's just not very well executed in its systems honestly

[limber cradle]

Yeah

Fatshark? Poorly executing a new system?

Perish the thought

[mighty belfry]

Like

[zealous ravine]

fatshark would NEVER make engagement systems that backfire every single time

[mighty belfry]

Someone mentioned in a game I was playing once

[zealous ravine]

except they always make them and they always suck

[mighty belfry]

That derank should happen in brackets at the very least

Where if you've reached a certain threshold, you can't derank below that threshold

In intervals of 5

[limber cradle]

Genuinely derank is the least of my issues with havoc rn

[zealous ravine]

its my biggest issue lol

[limber cradle]

My biggest issue is that havoc modifiers are continuously designed in contention with the engine itself

And that havoc as a gamemode is pulling the engine apart

[zealous ravine]

the engine exploding is kinda funny

[lost ravine]

derank makes it so people only want to have meta because it lowers risk of deranking

[limber cradle]

It genuinely irritates me that FS would design modifiers that make the game engine drop fps like I'm in fucking blighttown or something

[mighty belfry]

No cap. It's a bigger issue than it needs to be because there are now a lot of "rank 40s" who are just looking for a backpack to hop in lol

[lost ravine]

i love modes that take build variety and take it out behind the shed and shoot it in the back of the head

[zealous ravine]

praying that 2026 fixes havoc

[mighty belfry]

You cannot trust a clearance 40 like

At all anymore

[limber cradle]

I think it's funny that instead of nerfing overpreformers FS buffs enemies which in turn makes the overpreformers slightly worse and everything else much worse

[limber cradle]

I don't understand how H40 True Survivors are consistently the worst people on a team

[zealous ravine]

inferno staff is too op we have to buff scriers gaze to fix it

[limber cradle]

Like was True Survivor actually that much easier to get awhile ago?

[mighty belfry]

It could get cheesed ya

Pljs

[limber cradle]

Nice

[mighty belfry]

Remember dodge linger bug

?

[limber cradle]

Like

The post Scum buff?

[mighty belfry]

Probably helped a lot of people

Ya

[limber cradle]

Ah

Yeah, fair ig

I got so sick of rot armor i just stopped playing again

Rot+Blight making me run things i dislike

[mighty belfry]

I mean

Rot and blight aren't there

[limber cradle]

Now they aren't

[mighty belfry]

But ourple is

[limber cradle]

I have an actual job now which means I cannot no life havoc anymore

[mighty belfry]

And ourple makes me want to blow my brains out currently

Same

Tbf I've had a full timer for a while

I just play this game a lot

[limber cradle]

Mine is

More than full time

Very consistently

[mighty belfry]

Oh shii

[limber cradle]

I am off today and tomorrow cause of winter storms tho

[mighty belfry]

Well that's nice at least.

[limber cradle]

I agree

[mighty belfry]

No storm but I've been squaring up with a flu

The flu's winning

[limber cradle]

My sympathies

[mighty belfry]

Flu season got hands this year

[livid raven]

Damn i wish i had the flu

[lost ravine]

do you get paid well at least

and/or do you enjoy it

[limber cradle]

Yes and mostly.

I get time and a half over 40 hours and double over 60.

I get paid a living wage too, which is alright.

[lost ravine]

that's epic then

[limber cradle]

Yeah, could be worse.

[river burrow]

So new to hivescum, just got it last night

There’s a few melee builds in the pins, including heavy sword and also shanks.

Shanks seem like alot of fun/fast. heavy sword I main on zealot, so I’m familiar.

However, in your opinions, which is the best fit for scum?
I have a feeling shanks due to speed and handling carapace better?

[vapid jungle]

Shanks for flavor and general performance

Great blessing pool too

[zenith fern]

We know the best way to deal cara is RPG

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-rocket-war-meme-funny-gif-5084933935960255523

[sturdy linden]

Rashad

(Not joking)

[zenith fern]

Knife, shivs, chainaxe, taxe, caxe rashad and even dclaw are the most fun for scum

And near those melees do well enough for carapace

[muted pivot]

Bonesaw is kinda fun too, even if it's not so favoured

flak/maniac makes it pretty good, and imo the purple mode is underrated as fuck

[zenith fern]

People say that the brittleness does not make much difference but i really never played much

[wraith robin]

Does anybody remember if they gave us another extra operative slot when HS was released?

[astral canyon]

it was in the hotfix right after

[verbal dew]

I've had some real nice streak for my havocs this week

started at 20, now at 39

[wraith robin]

The extra slot? Or did you reply to somebody else?

[verbal dew]

yes the extra slot

I had to delete my 2nd vet for my scum lol

[wraith robin]

So that's what they usually do, right? They give you extra slot every new class release? True, I would hate to make a character and then have to delete it when new DLC lands

[verbal dew]

well the thing before arbites was that you had 5 slots in the menu, but server side it allowed like 8