psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

that or we're collectively hallucinating again

It was less "people will min max, grrr" and more "players will get lost in presented numbers and miss the gameplay"

[strange wyvern]

If there's a way to dodge a burster that you either cannot push in time or won't get pushed back far enough due to terrain I'm all ears

as far as I'm concerned a leaping burster is push or you fucking die lmao

[wind wind]

Biggest reason i love voice of command the most. Its my get out of jail free card. Especially with poxbursters

[thorn cedar]

The thing to know for bursters is that you don't have to be looking at them to push them away. So dealing with them is 100% just the sound cue for when they activate their bomb and jump.

You also don't have to deal with all of them. Sometimes I just back up and put someone else between myself and it lmao

[weary idol]

I have done my 3rd havoc 40

[wraith sphinx]

gunker?

[weary idol]

yes

[wraith sphinx]

very nice

[weary idol]

I am discovering that gun psyker works best as a stand in for a zealot as the teams primary melee damage

[queen fog]

funny, the gun psyker is a good replacement for something that doesn’t involve guns

Gaze will never cease to amaze and surprise me

[weary idol]

so called "gun" psyker (they only use their sword)

I was running bolt pistol in this to make assail/fgs cause bleed

[wraith sphinx]

yeah on havocs I'd ideally not take my gun out unless there's a boss

[weary idol]

I did die once because I got blindsided by an overhead while trying to retreat through a scab bombers grenade that isolated me

didn't hear it over the toughness break noise

didn't see it because I was in the fire

[queen fog]

The ol “flash then nail” method

I’ve had that happen when tryna deal with a tox flamer

[weary idol]

wow that shit hurts bro

[queen fog]

Couldn’t see shit past the green flames so the overhead was as easy as pie for them to land

[strange wyvern]

I'd love to join you as my not bubble psyker but I haven't touched havoks yet

I can't even get ASS and I dunno how much that has to do with doing pubs and my own shortcomings

[plucky flax]

Stay behind the door for 10 years or watch me go in solo against elite shooters and clear them. 😤

[weary idol]

my first instinct is to go in there and clear them too

works sometimes

[plucky flax]

People play too conservative and not using their abilities aggressively enough. Psyker could had walked in and put the bubble in the middle of the room so we can all go in. Vet slide in with me and use shout for extra cc and safety. Stuff like that.

I get it havoc is scary but sometimes it drags so slooooow

[wind wind]

And whenever i try this i get stunlocked into oblivion and melted

[plucky flax]

Your milage may vary. Xd

[wraith sphinx]

of all the havoc difficulty tweaks the overhead one hit me the hardest

I was just standing there like 😮

[weary idol]

yeah that's the big thing I see with a lot of players that I would consider "bad"

Overreliance on abilities as defense rather than using their abilities to make plays

people aren't picking shout/chorus/bubble because it lets the team stay aggressive in dicey scenarios

they're using them because damage scary and they need them to survive

[deft stump]

You know I'm bad at shot calling things. Also, got it done in SEA. Honestly low ping vs high ping is quite a diff if my FPS doesn't just tank anyway.

[plucky flax]

Just follow me. Sometimes maybe shit most times win.

[strange wyvern]

I hope to see you guys in havok but I know my Imma probably be in ELO hell

[deft stump]

[summer prairie]

what's the mod that makes player characters see through for visibility purposes

[dull scroll]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/416?tab=description

[wraith sphinx]

That description

[strange wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-dance-party-vibes-gif-14138984

we need an ogryn version of this

[dusk void]

Anyone in need of these?

[upbeat kestrel]

slappy will need it for getting a proper ripper

[tough vine]

The money mainly... I'm trying to level up all my weapons, but buying at grunts armory is expensive 😦

[gray moss]

is quell canceling completely gone or just the worst exploit of it patched?

[upbeat kestrel]

effectively gone

[plucky flax]

You can do weapon/blitz swap meme now if you want.

[jovial juniper]

90% gone

Assail can still do it

[gray moss]

so not worth learning at this point unless I plan to play assail

[wraith sphinx]

I don't think it's needed at all

[gray moss]

alright thanks everyone

[radiant frigate]

wtf new charge voice lines?

[upper sun]

im good thanks

it was so funny seeing the average plasteel per mission in auric go from 800+ to ~300 after the crafting update

no more crap cubes and shit cylinders

[wraith sphinx]

I've never heard any of those before so I think so too

[plucky flax]

Unsanctioned voicelines.

Only top 1% can get access to them.

[upper sun]

agent has the ultra forbidden mod that lets u use voice lines from other people

[wraith sphinx]

I think I'd kill for a mod that lets me trigger idle conversations at will

there's some real bangers there and it's a crime I'll hear them once every 800 hours

I've been trying to screenshot the ones I like but I don't focus on the subtitles when a gigahorde hits in auric mael/havoc

I've tried looking at the unpacked source soundfile archive online to figure out the missing parts of one particular operative conversation but it was impossible

there's one particular convo about self awareness between a bodyguard ogryn and fem savant psyker that made me laugh but I wasn't able to screenshot the whole thing and it's driving me a little nuts now

[strange wyvern]

left 4 dead 2 vocaliser flashbacks

The one rochelle just spamming death screams

[rich spindle]

There’s a mod on nexus that enables unused charge voice lines

[weary idol]

probably unused because they yap too much

[rich spindle]

The master provideth stairs

[strange wyvern]

we need more yap

[ripe obsidian]

Before watching the video, I worried this was about me

You said I need to be more aggressive! It is a valid concern

[marble crater]

You can be more aggressive by insulting people in discord

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds mean

[marble crater]

Maybe so, but it achieves your goals

[ripe obsidian]

The only person I am mean to is myself

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

You just need to do the opposite of that and be mean only to others

Look at me, I am mean and very gud at game So good I died only 3 times in auric yesterday

(I played a single match yesterday)

[fiery stratus]

ayo

who got that meme smite build

[marble crater]

Every smite build is a meme

[neon lark]

Veteran main here. I can't seem to get into the groove of this class. My favorite weapons are plasma gun and power sword with sergeant buildon Veteran, any suggestions for weapons/builds?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

What are we talking here

[hollow current]

smite is so good

[jovial juniper]

EP Scriers Smite

WS Scriers smite

EP Shriek Smite

WS shriek smite

[fiery stratus]

uhhh

[jovial juniper]

The forbidden DD smite

[fiery stratus]

duh brainless one

[hollow current]

smite is really high skill ceiling thoo

[fiery stratus]

Its everyone of them

[jovial juniper]

Then it's probably EP Shriek

[fiery stratus]

they're all the brainless one

[hollow current]

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/onegai-my-melody-kuromi-gif-23283819

[fiery stratus]

I just need a build I can give new players so they can start psyker fundamentals

[weary idol]

gun psyker

[fiery stratus]

Nah but smite

[weary idol]

because the very first psyker fundamental is learning that if you get hit you die

[fiery stratus]

ep shriek seems good

[small whale]

shouldnt you ask in #veteran-class

[narrow herald]

Wtf is a Sargent Build? 🤔

[wooden sand]

A Sah build

[strange wyvern]

honestly, just run the upgraded defaults
brain burst
shriek
seer
big numbers, same lesson (you have the durability of recycled condoms)

[neon lark]

So what I'm hearing is

Psyker is shit because they are weak bitch nerds that can't take a punch

[wooden sand]

Its a glass cannon class

[neon lark]

I'm ngl I've yet to see a psyker outputting damage that really impressed me

[wooden sand]

I don't

Because I already saw it

[dusk void]

Is anyone's game become unplayable?

[wooden sand]

No

[dusk void]

I keep crashing

[fiery stratus]

mod updates?

[sacred crane]

Psykers when smite

[plucky flax]

It's tru psyker never do damage.

[plucky flax]

Always die always bottom damage useless class tbh.

[narrow herald]

Worst class in the game fr

I've come to realize that their are 2 kinds of Vet mains

Path and T*nner

No in-between

[weary idol]

describe them

[thorn cedar]

autistic vs. autistic

[viral raven]

Is The Psyker Atheneum still the go-to place for checking dump stats? Trying to understand why to take 60 warp res on Blaze Force Sword Mk IV instead of mobility

[dull scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g0lKTjJLg&ab_channel=VECT

@nocturne dust time to start counting 😏

[nocturne dust]

oh lawd, the camera wobble 😭

[buoyant maple]

I’m not autistic

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[strange wyvern]

because most of your skills want to have more peril

[nocturne dust]

I'll probably tally it by tomorrow or something, kinda busy at the moment

[strong gulch]

WR has terrible scaling and is less impactful. Psyker also likes to be at higher peril for a lot of talents and blessings.

WR is the dump for all force weapons except VS (voidstrike). VS dumps blast radius.

[nocturne dust]

The guide is wrong and outdated in some places, but warp res is the dump stat, yes

[viral raven]

Thanks for all of the explanations! Starting to doubt the gameslantern build I am following as their dump stats don't match The Atheneum

[nocturne dust]

Gameslantern's popular builds are generally out there

[buoyant maple]

don’t treat any build guide as gospel truth

[nocturne dust]

Yes, all guides are stupid and wrong

especially mine

[viral raven]

but I am a sheep

[deft stump]

WDYM?

[buoyant maple]

I just am not

Never diagnosed as autistic

[nocturne dust]

Have you... been tested at all tho?

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[nocturne dust]

[narrow herald]

One is a master Chief, the other burned the kitchen down

[nocturne dust]

Weird, I wouldn't pin someone who writes one of the most detailed guides for a random video game as not on the spectrum

[buoyant maple]

The only thing I am diagnosed for is anxiety disorder

[buoyant maple]

I hate disinformation

[narrow herald]

Darktide Content creators 😈

[nocturne dust]

I do too, but I'm on the spectrum

[buoyant maple]

That’s ok

[narrow herald]

Everyone who plays this game is on the spectrum, change my mind

[tough vine]

Anyone saying "change my mind" doesn't want their mind to be changed. Change my mind!

[narrow herald]

[strong gulch]

Diagnosis doesn't mean someone isn't or doesn't have x thing or whatever.

This isn't an argument in saying that Path is autistic. Just to be clear, this is more general statement.

[viral raven]

Yeah, that is a good point! I was used to copying or closely following guides from each classes' main guide but the Psyker one has the builds all marked as outdated so I am kind of just stumbling around in the dark lol - looking to make an Assail + Telekine shield build, with blaze sword and idk what gun yet but I'll figure it out using the raw info in the guide

[nocturne dust]

You can see staff builds in the pins here, those are up to date

What you're looking for is bubble gunker

[cloud night]

Nightclub shooting!

3 psykers found dead
One with a purge staff shoved up his ass

[nocturne dust]

Bubble gunker would be something like this

[narrow herald]

What happens if u run out of ammo? 🤔

[nocturne dust]

Normal picks for remaining talents being Perilous Combustion and One With the Warp. By Crack of Bone and Tranquility Through Slaughter would be picks if you took Scriers.

[nocturne dust]

assail

In fact, you should really use assail much more than your gun

since one has infinite ammo, and there's no reason to starve your teammates of a limited resource

[narrow herald]

But I want to pew pew

[nocturne dust]

Nothing wrong with that, just know you're being selfish

which is generally fine outside of Havoc

[viral raven]

Thank you!

[dull scroll]

the local gunker cultist here finally posted a score earlier at 1.9mil, but took over 900 dmg

it's the way of the dark path smh

[viral raven]

I will likely do a staff build eventually too but have a lot of learning about the class to do first

[narrow herald]

Finally was winning havocs today

Just needed to switch to Clubgryn

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is better to start off with anyway

Basically just a discount zealot/veteran

and scales better at lower levels/when the build is incomplete, unlike staves which care a lot about being fully built

[narrow herald]

Zealot feels underwhelming now that gunners where nerfed

[dull scroll]

gunker is the strongest psyker build at lower difficulties, no one dispute that

[narrow herald]

Being a giant debuffer actually makes everything 1000 times easier

[viral raven]

Heavy Laspistol dump stat? Mk II

[nocturne dust]

funny shiny homing rocks go bbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrr

[strange wyvern]

why would an enemy getting nerfed make zealot underwhelming?

[narrow herald]

Because before the havoc rework, Zealots job was just being a gold toughness bot

[nocturne dust]

...that's their job after, too

[narrow herald]

Now it's shifted to boss damage

[strange wyvern]

Buff shotgunners and let them move at normal speed while shooting

[narrow herald]

Golden toughness is good into shooters, but not that useful when you are getting crunched into a corner by 50 crushers and 3 bosses

The CC from the pulse is probably more useful

Maybe I should switch to fury instead of chorus now 🤔

[nocturne dust]

half the utility is the very long CC, yes

[strange wyvern]

Go fury, tell the gold toughness crutchers to get good (insta kicked for not book botting)

Though I thought it was chorus giving invincibility while channeled that was so good

[nocturne dust]

It is

[narrow herald]

Wave clear is also more important now, and Zealot doesn't have any insane wave clearing tools outside of flamer

[nocturne dust]

Chorus is good because it's tons of CC that buys time for wave clear

Zealot remains book bot

[strange wyvern]

Then again in havok 40 like 80% of the stuff we have in the game isn't really efficient for clearing those hordes

[narrow herald]

Ogryn has good horde clear and boss damage

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn OP

[narrow herald]

And CC

and debuffs

And taunt

[nocturne dust]

and toughness

Ogryn gets everything

except dodges

but their dodges are kinda guaranteed soooooooooo

[narrow herald]

Having a Clubgryn and an inferno Psyker honestly feels like a cheat code

Y'all see those 30 crushers?

Lemme just slap them for you

[nocturne dust]

Inferno psyker is just there as moral support

[narrow herald]

Inferno Psyker just blows hot air and:

[strange wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/flame-fire-blue-blue-fire-anime-gif-27014688

[long wharf]

Okay Mass Effect 3 MP totally holds up today

[nocturne dust]

yes

but also

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-icefuse-icefuse-imperial-gif-26817928

[narrow herald]

The boss with 16 stacks of bleed, fire, soulblaze, soften them up, and 80% skull crusher, and 40% brittle:

[long wharf]

Interface is clunky as hell, but the gameplay is still great fun

[strange wyvern]

are crushers resistant to burn? I tried out incindiary shells and max stacks was doing like 10

💀

[narrow herald]

Cara is in general very resistant to all dots

[strange wyvern]

so would scab ragers take little damage then?

[narrow herald]

Flak is ok, but not amazing

[nocturne dust]

no

scab is carapace but not for DoTs

10/10 Fatshark, very understandable and cool system

also, you can get DoTs to function decently with penetrating flame + 40% brittleness (rending trauma) or through uncanny

on carapace

[narrow herald]

The only enemy that has cara as the "body" is Crushers

So they are the hardest to kill with dots

[strange wyvern]

wondering if one part determines dot
like the flak helmet or the cara body

[nocturne dust]

It's not a part, it's a separate value for DoTs that is like 'core' or something iirc

[narrow herald]

Dots always just calculate the body armor

[nocturne dust]

which is separate from torso

[narrow herald]

Doesn't matter where it was applied from the weapon

[nocturne dust]

Nope, since torso is cara on scab ragers

[narrow herald]

When I mean body I don't mean the chest

[strange wyvern]

Crushers are kinda strange to me, you'd think they'd have one part of them that isn't carapace

[nocturne dust]

o

[narrow herald]

For example, the Karnak twins have cara and flak on all their body parts

But for some reason their body is actually unarmored

Why idk 💀

[strong gulch]

fatshark things

[strange wyvern]

beneath all the armor is a man
crushers on the other hand, have carapace blood cells

that armor is welded into their body

[narrow herald]

No u c, the heavy armor stops the bleeding

[deft stump]

I mean, wasn't there a Chaos thing that basically melds your body with guns and such?

[nocturne dust]

If anything, crushers should be weak to DoTs

How the f a tin can not getting cookied alive by hot fire?

[strange wyvern]

Just strange crushers are the only enemy with straight up no real weakness, even maulers you can mostly mag dump center mass

[nocturne dust]

Maulers are scarier

Crushers are big and obvious, Maulers hide and pop out of the crowd just to down you

[dusk void]

What’s better, the trauma/voidblast or purgatus/inferno?

[jovial juniper]

Hey @upper sun

[dull scroll]

for high havoc? purge

[dusk void]

I have more time with the trauma staff though

[dull scroll]

then play what you are good at

[strong gulch]

@analog agate prefers VB/ trauma in high havocs

both are good.

[dusk void]

Does he run the blazing trauma or the rending trauma?

[strong gulch]

blaze

I'm pretty sure blaze.

[dusk void]

Blaze is pretty solid

[dusk void]

Thanks 🙏

Also, is bubble still viable in high havoc?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. It's still standard.

Less needed than before if your team is good.

Meta has not changed.

[dusk void]

So gunners are still crap in havoc, huh

Those damn reapers 😆

[strong gulch]

fading light 2 instead of 3

[narrow herald]

Built different

[rich spindle]

The team has to be like within the top 10 players online in your area for no bubble havoc 40 to be comfy

It’s so easy to make one mistake during a 50 minute run

[idle lotus]

any tips on playing with trauma staff? feels kinda clumsy targeting the ground

[dull scroll]

if you can convince a vet to take smoke nade you can ditch bubble, done it plenty of times 👍

[strong gulch]

Think of it like lobbing a grenade. At like 18m or 20m you have to aim in the air.

The center is where you need to aim.

[narrow herald]

I don't think bubble is that necessary anymore

[rich spindle]

Burgle + captains or other bosses at the same time takes a lot of team positioning skill to fight without bubble. Most havoc 40 teams taking a lot of chip during it

[narrow herald]

It's very useful at negating certain bosses, but outside of that it doesn't provide much benefit to havocs with horde focused modifiers

[dull scroll]

the smoke confuses the burgle, and captains

[narrow herald]

I think it's mostly useful at topping off toughness

[dull scroll]

that been said, if you have neither bubble nor smoke, that's yolo comp

[jovial juniper]

Avoid stairs

[rich spindle]

I haven’t seen smoke carry during a twins + burgle fight yet

I believe you though

Probably just harder to pull off

[dull scroll]

smoke is been slept on, I've never seen smoke in pub games

[strong gulch]

OH YEAH. VB and stairs or grates are enemies. Find the solid areas or just avoid stairs and grates.

[narrow herald]

I've done golden toughness focus runs with no Psykers at all

Basically you have have the Ogryn taunt everything so that the shooters stop shooting and use the shouts and choruses to get toughness back

[dull scroll]

it's the special trains

at certain point with the overwhelming amount of incoming specials, especially in closed area

[narrow herald]

Protect the Ogryn comp

[dull scroll]

without bubble or smoke there is no outplay

[rich spindle]

If you’ve ever played tf2, it’s the same thing as the stickybomb launcher. Imagine an invisible grenade coming out in an arc and exploding on the ground. Aim further up to make the grenade arc longer

[narrow herald]

Nah I'd win

[buoyant maple]

imo the best pairing with force greatsword is recon lasgun

[dusky crag]

I love using the laspistol with it

[idle lotus]

also is it normal for staves to feel dogwater on low lvls?

[narrow herald]

Psyker in general feels underwhelming until u get the whole tree

[strong gulch]

Yes. lmao it's bad

The rec for leveling is assail for a reason. VB (voidblast) in particular is the worst of the bunch without high investment.

[idle lotus]

Damn, that's what I've been using, no wonder it makes me wanna brainblast myself

[deft stump]

Which is why it being the first staff you unlock seems lul.

[strong gulch]

I swear that's why it was names trauma.

[narrow herald]

I'm sure inferno is still strong at lower levels

[upper sun]

NOOOOOOO NOT THE FLAMER

at least the helmet choice is veri based

[strong gulch]

inferno unlocks at like 26 or something tho

[narrow herald]

Wtf

[wraith sphinx]

In pub havocs or?

[strange wyvern]

gunners and reapers aren't the issue, it's the million guys that plink you to death

[dull scroll]

pub havoc yes

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[wraith sphinx]

I saw like 2 people use smoke on auric damnation and they both used it wrong

[strange wyvern]

You throw them on yourself right?

[dull scroll]

heh, smoke is absolutely not needed in auric, people doing it are role playing builds 😏

[wraith sphinx]

True I love roleplaying

[strange wyvern]

I don't care who they send I am not pathing for shredder nades

[wraith sphinx]

[deft stump]

It traumatises any new psyker.

[dull scroll]

lol shredder is right above ammo central, that's the easier path

[deft stump]

Just break every twins AI.

[dull scroll]

smoke makes it very awkward if you also want to grab survivalists

[wraith sphinx]

Me when I run close and kill and just melee anything non boss

[strange wyvern]

literally me

[frozen fiber]

been loving assail this past week, i feel like this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xi8oauzxnwE

[strange wyvern]

Does it at least one shot specials with a fully charged blast?

[idle lotus]

nope

wait its supposed to do that?

[deft stump]

Yes?

Poxes and such, absolutely.

[deft stump]

Not at the lvl it's unlocked unless you roll some stupid 80/80 thing.

[strange wyvern]

well yeah nothing can kill shit at until you get stuff at 300+ power

[idle lotus]

idk its my first time playin anythin other than vet

[deft stump]

Thus, it does nothing except blows up new psykers due to high peril gen. XD

[strong gulch]

Some specials you can one shot with VB, but others you need to crit or hit again.

[strange wyvern]

I despise pox hounds

why is something so small one of the tankiest specialists besides mutants

[strong gulch]

Right? Even a base BB starting with no peril can't take one out.

[wind wind]

Because youre not supposed to have a good day. Fatshark hates you lol

[strange wyvern]

it'd be like if jockeys in l4d2 had charger health values

[strange wyvern]

Double checked the wiki, they have the same hp as flamers across all difficulties

[wraith sphinx]

Currenrly I feel nothing has the same potential to fuck me up besides high havoc shooters and crushers

Still in awe high havoc crushers deal corruption damage, that is just sadistic

[strange wyvern]

It's not like hounds screw me over anywhere near as much, they just feel way spongier than you'd think something so small would be

[wraith sphinx]

Ah

Yeah i feel the same way

[strange wyvern]

So it's pretty offputting to see them survive a fully charged voidblast explosion

[wraith sphinx]

Like when I fumble weakspot Hs so the hound ends up taking 5 Ls to die

[strange wyvern]

Now that I think of it can voidblast even hit weakspots?

I never thought of trying to do that

[strong gulch]

LMB only

[nocturne dust]

The only staff that can hit weakspots consistently (using the charged secondary) is Voidstrike

[idle lotus]

16

[strong gulch]

Thanks!

Thought it was much later for some reason.

[idle lotus]

I dont think any weapons unlock after 20

[minor trout]

Are there any vanilla outfit combos that can make me look like a tech priest?

If there are for other classes, please tell me in it's respective channel

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh

[minor trout]

Damn

[jovial juniper]

We got generic hoods and that's it

[idle lotus]

closest i can think of are those collars and metal "glasses" or w/e that is

[minor trout]

Yeah a hood with the current red outfit in the rotation was the best I could come up with

Or just the red penance reward outfit in general

Lemme check the zealot class outfits

[strange wyvern]

So a techpriest class isn't off the table

unless obese fish said no more classes

[analog agate]

I run blaze VB primarily and rending if there is an inferno. I do more dmg than the inferno psyker as VB staff. Here is my blaze build:

[minor trout]

I just unlocked smite can't wait to try it

Brain burst seems useless against a horde

I wanna go palpatine mode

Sucks that most penances are brain bust stuff tho, blegh

[analog agate]

Cause it was the only blitz as the beginning

[minor trout]

Ah

[deft stump]

Why do you think I double shoot them even on my Vet... >_>

[minor trout]

I wanna use a force staff but dunno what to use as the melee

Feels like having a staff with a sword next to it is a bad look

Can you use force staff as a melee at all?

[strange wyvern]

noticing a running theme of a lot of older stuff aging poorly

[strange wyvern]

not practically

[deft stump]

Just add power creep, it's easy.

[minor trout]

But does it have a melee attack at all?

Would be silly if it doesn't

It is a staff as long as my height

[strange wyvern]

it does

it just doesn't do very much

[minor trout]

Sick

Meh better than nothing

I guess I can bring a small melee with it

Or just a chainsword, can I use a chainsword?

[strange wyvern]

60 damage on a critical weakspot hit vs an unarmored enemy

that doesn't scale as you power up the weapon

[minor trout]

That's still more than 0

Better than I expected

[jovial juniper]

Yes
A fast bonk and a fast sweep

[minor trout]

Not that I will use it, but glad it is there

I would at least use it once in a while just to move the staff a bit

So my arm won't cramp

[strange wyvern]

just...don't expect it to knock away a pox burster, I've tried that several times

[minor trout]

What actual melee goes well with it tho?

[jovial juniper]

Depends

If it's electric staff then a horde clearing melee goes well

[minor trout]

And those are..?

[jovial juniper]

Illisi force sword

Chainsword

[minor trout]

Ah force sword with a giant staff

So overkill, I like it

[jovial juniper]

Force Great sword

[minor trout]

Force sword suits a psyker better than a chainsword I think

[jovial juniper]

Devil's Claw

What else

Rashad Combat Axe

[minor trout]

Force sword will do

What if it is the other force staff?

I want the black one

The one that isn't yellow

[rich spindle]

You can use on the beast of nurgle’s pimple to make them spit people up

[jovial juniper]

VoidSTRIKE?
Well it can do a bit of everything

[minor trout]

Those are sure words

Quite disgusting ones

[jovial juniper]

That bowling ball is multi function

[minor trout]

It just looks cool

I will take a force sword

Magic fun

If I can't be a tech priest I am going all in on magic

[tough vine]

techpriest can be fun. Just chanting tot he machine spirit so their gun fails 🙂

[minor trout]

Guns count as machine spirits?

Aren't guns analog?

There is nothing techy to a firearm it is just bolts and hammers and gunpowder

[buoyant maple]

Knife, duelling sword, force sword

[nocturne dust]

and Force greatsword

[dusky crag]

I believe guns have machine spirits

Plasma guns are a fun one

[nocturne dust]

Something something miniaturized targeting computer mumbo jumbo

[minor trout]

That I understand

Kinda

But pure ballistic weapons?

Really?

[idle lotus]

of course they do

they're machines like any other

[minor trout]

Aren't machine spirits in technological stuff specifically like computers and whatnot

I wouldnt really consider a firearm technological, it's just a hammer hitting a bullet in the end

[idle lotus]

Everything from bolters, through power armor and thunderhawks to the knights has a machine spirit

You can clearly see admech caring for every type of those

[thorn cedar]

is mayonaise a machine spirit

[nocturne dust]

no, it's organic

[idle lotus]

no, but you can use it to lube up machines

[minor trout]

Interesting

[nocturne dust]

Well, bolters are fancy guns

[idle lotus]

Even in game Hadron tells you to care for your guns n stuff

[minor trout]

Yeah and I was questioning why the guns have machine spirits

I know they do it just doesn't make sense to me

[minor trout]

Don't they just shoot tiny rockets

[idle lotus]

well why do 'ganics have normal spirits

also a machine, neurons instead of cables

[minor trout]

But guns don't have cables

It is such a simple thing

Compared to a computer or smth

[idle lotus]

ur missing the big picture

[nocturne dust]

It's religious anyway, doesn't have to make logical sense

[idle lotus]

yea

[minor trout]

Yeah it doesn't make any sense at all lmao

[idle lotus]

like a lot of stuff in 40k

[minor trout]

Computers and stuff I get

But a gun is like completely analog

Would a car have a machine spirit? I guess so

[idle lotus]

I mean, we don't even know whether the machine spirit is real

[idle lotus]

but a car is also mostly mechanical

they can have electronics, but not all of them do

[nocturne dust]

Something something definitely not abominable intelligence/spooky ancient Necron god thingy

™️

[idle lotus]

something something void dragon yadda yadda

[minor trout]

A lot more complicated than a fun tho

Gun

[nocturne dust]

Eh, guns are pretty complicated

[idle lotus]

^

[nocturne dust]

and they both work off explosions

Besides, iirc there are less powerful/intelligent machine spirits according to the religion, with smaller/simpler tech being such

So there's a variant of animism going on

[minor trout]

Does each tentacle of a tech priest have a seperate spirit

[nocturne dust]

dunno, I only know lore from what other random passerbys feed me on this Discord

[idle lotus]

It would require us to know what machine spirit is

and we just dont

[nocturne dust]

It would also require we know what the tentacles are

[idle lotus]

could be ai, could be void dragon, could be sum legitimate spiritual type shit, whatever floats ur boat

ok ik psyker is not posed to be tanky but istg i feel like im made of wet tissue paper

[nocturne dust]

You are

Congratz

Dodge or die (mostly)

Some nodes will help

One with the Warp and Empathic Evasion, as well as Soulstealer/Quietude

but you will always be 2 hits from death

[idle lotus]

yea im just trynna find a playstyle after vet got a bit boring

pain in the arse to level up tho

[prime elk]

Psyker relies on non-stat defenses way more than any other class

[nocturne dust]

Well, gunker is similar to wep specialist vet

[prime elk]

Played properly, it’s really not bad at all

[nocturne dust]

yes

Psyker sucks to level, more than any other class imo

[prime elk]

Nah you have assail

[nocturne dust]

Staves are kinda nonfunctional at early levels

[nocturne dust]

Sure

and if you happen to not take it RIP

[prime elk]

Yeah well that’s just skill issues at that point, unless it’s not unlocked yet

[nocturne dust]

Knowledge issue

which all noobs have

[idle lotus]

im too stubborn to switch from brain burst

[brazen rampart]

Early vet is worse.

Psyker is just "get assail" and boom, levelling easy, but vet is "you have to have grenade regen."

[buoyant maple]

just take KF and ur fine

[strange wyvern]

I had the hardest time leveling zealot for some reason

maybe it was impatience after leveling other characters, or maybe combat axe just sucks i dunno

[nocturne dust]

No, because vet funnels you into normal weapons and builds

whereas Psyker traps you with literally the worst low-level staff at low levels, Trauma, if you want to be a psyker and not a discount vet

[prime elk]

At least you get a very good early game heretic farming tool very quickly

Whereas vet struggles to run more than five meters at a time

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but that can be a boon for noobs so they don't run ahead

[strange wyvern]

I more prefer the term "vet with a better chainsword"

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

That would require that to be true

[strange wyvern]

deimos and obscurus force swords may not be much better, but at least they're faster and stun

[buoyant maple]

they're a LOT better than chainsword

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1315586614495547485/lol.mp4?ex=6757f303&is=6756a183&hm=0fbea70325e78a350fcb6db2feab58f353799df47e58cb19627b1a99848ac81d&

[strange wyvern]

still funny that I used deimos the entire time, warp activation for heavies, without knowing how much damage the 2nd heavy attack did

[idle lotus]

my biggest problem might be that after a wave there are always some stragglers that take me from behind all the time

[nocturne dust]

well, vet has a better chainsword too then

[strange wyvern]

You think chainsword would be much better if it flinched/suppressed nearby enemies? I mean seeing someone get gored by a chainsaw has to cause some demoralization

[idle lotus]

I don't think the guys we're killing can get demorilzed all that much

I'm doing the worst leveling build and i have no one to blame but myself

[buoyant maple]

most of the enemies u fight in this game have their brains fked by either years of brutal attritional warfare, or nurgle

so no not really

[nocturne dust]

The psychic magic works tho

[patent mango]

if the ogryn slapping a daemonhost to death doesnt affect them nothing else will lmao

[nocturne dust]

Leave no survivors, always check your backside (game loves to teleport/use doors behind you)

[jovial juniper]

Fear the witch
As they say

[frozen fiber]

you must be max height, these guys are so big for me

[jovial juniper]

Laugh at this short psyker

[dull scroll]

what is going on with these rituals

now they are going insta fast on my map

peak fatshark experience strikes again

[strange wyvern]

fakshart

[rich spindle]

I RANDOMLY GET FAST RITUALS COMMONLY THE ONE ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON TORRENT

CAPS LOCL

[nocturne dust]

@dull scroll Might take longer than tomorrow

[verbal thistle]

vigil station

[dull scroll]

lol actually doing it

[nocturne dust]

yes

[verbal thistle]

Zealot chat is so dumb

goofy goobers there

[analog agate]

What is this

[nocturne dust]

me counting numerically how useful Kinetic Resonance is

i.e. how many kills made with BB are with KR and not swappable with other methods of murder, or trash

[analog agate]

I actually think the mods did a good job cleaning it up. Seems much more enjoyable now 🤷‍♂️

Ah

[nocturne dust]

it's of a specific video vect provided

[broken carbon]

what happened

[verbal thistle]

#zealot-class message

[strange wyvern]

TL:DR
I said L4D2 and Darktide play very similarly and it spiraled into a clusterfuck in zealot chat

[broken carbon]

well

they don’t

lmfao

and does “clusterfuck” here mean

people disagreeing with you

and then taking that as a personal insult

[strange wyvern]

No, there was another person lmao

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the over-arching loop is clearly inspired by L4D2

horde, witch daemonhost, specials

[broken carbon]

so someone else said they were the same?

or you

[broken carbon]

i mean yeah but

games of the same genre can draw inspiration

but still have vastly different combat loops

[strange wyvern]

Here we go again

[nocturne dust]

Yes, the actual combat is pretty different, but like

[strange wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[nocturne dust]

I think that's just L4D2's age showing, I'll give it a pass

[broken carbon]

i’m just trying to figure out the thought process lmfao

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying they're the same

sooooooooooo

[broken carbon]

i figured you weren’t

[strange wyvern]

I only apply things based on relation to what came before, simple as
It's why I reference another game every 5 minutes because that's just what the experience reminded me of

[broken carbon]

wait so are you saying they’re the same or different

guh

confusion

[nocturne dust]

So you're wrong then because you're missing what came before. Darktide is like Vermintide 2, and VT2 is like L4D2. It's a daisy-chain, see?

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/my-argument-when-someone-says-ten-out-of-ten-rage-bait-ragebait-gif-281037827950859461

[strange wyvern]

I'm not saying they're the same, just that the gameplay loop is familiar

[broken carbon]

well yah

they’re horde games

the combat loop is going to feel familiar

most same/similar genre games will feel familiar

doom and ultrakill, similar base combat loops of spawning enemies and using multiple weapons and movement to take them down

[strange wyvern]

ok I'll correct myself
*based on what came before that I remember
I don't have enough time in vermintide to really say the same statement

[cloud night]

several people are typing

[blissful solar]

darktide contains all the gameplay concepts, though not identically, that l4d has. but l4d is too simple so lacks what darktide has

[broken carbon]

yet on the larger scale, the games are vastly different

but a doom player could likely play ultrakill pretty well, and vice versa

[nocturne dust]

DRG and Darktide are literally the same. You have a dumb brute hitting lots of things with a pickaxe while others shout at each other about inane nonsense.

[broken carbon]

LMAO

yeah

[strange wyvern]

Now I want a 40k and DRG crossover lmao

[worn heron]

ROBLOX MENTIONED

[nocturne dust]

DRG is in 40k

[worn heron]

https://youtu.be/EoGUHEps7aA?si=cvTwWiV08quMCQMC

[broken carbon]

WHAT THE FUCK IS

[nocturne dust]

it's literally just the... whatever-they're-called

[broken carbon]

i can’t finish that

[nocturne dust]

those guys that worship AI near the galactic core?

the 40k dwarves

[worn heron]

Mushroom.

Mushroom.

We're rich !

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-rich-rich-deep-rock-galactic-compressed-gold-gif-24791651

[jovial juniper]

Awful lack of autocannon

I love the 50

[nocturne dust]

Leagues of Votann

[jovial juniper]

[nocturne dust]

that's what they're called

[strange wyvern]

Wanted to post a mushroom gif but all the ones on tenor are cursed as hell

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-deep-rock-bulk-detonator-deep-rock-galactic-memes-metal-gear-rising-gif-26170743

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-bulk-detonator-deep-rock-galactic-drg-melee-the-bulk-detonator-gif-9556147525006832126

[nocturne dust]

But yeah, the DRG guys are just the Leagues of Votann in 40k

They're the same picture

[strange wyvern]

I should melee the poxburster

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-explosion-anime-gif-24674062

[worn heron]

Only good retconn

[nocturne dust]

You should use KF and push-attack the poxburster with FGS

Gambling

[strange wyvern]

I'm not lucky enough 😔

it never go boom

[dull scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g0lKTjJLg&feature=youtu.be

some individual here cough doesn't believe bb can, or that I use it to great effect, in havoc

[nocturne dust]

well no

[dull scroll]

goaded me into making a recording 😒

[nocturne dust]

my disagreement is with KR specifically

I'ma stop at 9 minutes for now, but given that 0 of the 15 BB kills (and 16 BB hits) in those 9 minutes are KR on elites/specials/bosses without also being swappable with just using Inferno... it doesn't exactly indicate I'm wrong.

[dull scroll]

9min just warm up, 28min more to go, get comfortable 😂

[nocturne dust]

😭

I'ma need a couple days to get through this, I can only take so long of your Inferno shaking, making me nauseous

[dull scroll]

also, I employ dark magic aka mods to make my bb only target class of mobs I want it to target, so all "trash" it kills are actually ranged chaffs which might as well be elites in 40

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you don't need mods for that

but yes, I'm aware you're using it on gun trash

still trash, and imo largely irrelevant given in almost every situation where you've used it, there's just so much more of them

but again, only 9 minutes

altho, is that why your BB is acting kinda weird?

the BB attempts at 6:13 and 7:39 read strangely to me, but it's not that unusual for laggy, buggy Darktide

[dull scroll]

it's not been buggy, it's the other guys killing the mob before I can finish bb'ing it

[nocturne dust]

Well, I would agree for other attempts, but at 6:13 it's more like you just... stopped? and at 7:39 I thought it odd since it didn't seem like anyone else had sight lines

I'm familiar with BB's interaction when others steal the kill

[dull scroll]

well sometimes I also cancel it myself

[strong gulch]

For a little bit now, BB sometimes will cancel itself if you switch from precharge (RMB) to regular (LMB).

I hate it.

[nocturne dust]

weird, I've yet to experience that

[strong gulch]

That's while on the same target.

[nocturne dust]

tbf, I've had a bit of a time running scrier's staves

which means I've been using assail

[sand cove]

purgatus > voidblast

[analog agate]

Not if you are good with VB

[paper flame]

What are the overall best melees for psyker?\

[plain glen]

I love the greatsword

[jovial juniper]

Dueling Sword
Force Greatsword
Force Sword

[nocturne dust]

Knife, Duelling Sword, FGS, Force Sword

[strong gulch]

DS, FGS, FS, knife

Psyker can use devil's claw to a silly degree, but it's not best

[jovial juniper]

Dclaw siker

https://tenor.com/view/want-you-to-do-it-gif-20550570

[wraith sphinx]

Use taxe if you want to have fun 😉

[terse rivet]

anyone have the cleave chart for assail on hand the picture

someone posted it the other day but i forgot to save it to a folder

[nocturne dust]

Kuli's guide is on steam if you ever need the full reference

[broken carbon]

they’re pinned in #gameplay-help

[terse rivet]

Ty bookmarked it

[plucky flax]

Anyone for a round or 2 of early morning havoc?

[wraith sphinx]

maybe. what difficulty?

or rank, rather

[plucky flax]

40 or whatever yours is.

[wraith sphinx]

mine is... 19 I think?

[nocturne dust]

I can do a round

[wraith sphinx]

but fair warning I'm nauseous from an allnigher crushing Monsters so I'll likely play like shit

[strong gulch]

I haven't been playing much or high havocs in general.

[plucky flax]

You rest my friend.

[strong gulch]

So I am rusty af.

but i can play

[plucky flax]

Come if you want and don't mind losing?

[wraith sphinx]

No I mean I can still play

[plucky flax]

Since you'd rank down.

[wraith sphinx]

I definitely would not mind losing lmao

also I can't rest, exam tomorrow 🤯

[plucky flax]

We can do middle ground and play beans or deadvoid's map.

They prolly in the 30s.

[wispy bay]

If you can carry me, then I will join.

[strong gulch]

I'll check

[wraith sphinx]

I'm booting the game now

[plucky flax]

Carry not guaranteed.

[strong gulch]

chat is being a lot

[nocturne dust]

I don't recall what my rank is, I don't think it's high since I hosted a bad squad recently to give them 'the experience they desired'

Yeah I'm 29

[strong gulch]

I'm 29 too.

[nocturne dust]

twinsies

[wispy bay]

I just did a 29 with no dome.

[wraith sphinx]

Glass cannon gunker or unoptimized bullgryn build 🤔

[wispy bay]

I was the only psyker

[plucky flax]

Can do that map.

[wispy bay]

Why is the game so easy when people know what to do.

[plucky flax]

Orange and green not too bad.

[wraith sphinx]

I'll send you a join request bean

[nocturne dust]

Mine's ascension riser, orange and red

[wraith sphinx]

oh yeah I don't want to play mine

screw pox gas

[strong gulch]

@wispy bay We have 4 already.

[wispy bay]

All good

[plucky flax]

FS code?

[wraith sphinx]

join potato

[strong gulch]

I just blocked so many people. Mourningstar is full of gross pricks rn.

[nocturne dust]

💀

[wraith sphinx]

shit

do I even wanna know

[strong gulch]

no

[strange wyvern]

Wait a minute who were you in the mourning star?

Saw absolute madness unfold in the chat we might've been in the same lobby

[strange wyvern]

oh wait we were in the same lobby

[strong gulch]

beetlejuice

[wraith sphinx]

I'm out, I need to get back to studying

GG 🙂

[plucky flax]

Coming?

[strong gulch]

I was gonna ask that. Too slow.

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark needs to give me buffs the higher my ping is 😭

[wispy bay]

1 moment

[strange wyvern]

I was serious about suggesting VC in the mourningstar btw

[nocturne dust]

Not strong enough to handle high ping raw like Karien

[wispy bay]

Ok, coming

[cloud night]

What happened?
Sexism?
Racism?
All of the above?

[strong gulch]

yeah

[strange wyvern]

Everythingism

[plucky flax]

[cloud night]

Well
Yea that was worst than mine
Mine had a bunch of mfs thirsting for ogryn bikinis and psyker miniskirts

Still pretty tame regardless

[strange wyvern]

I finally understand this meme now

[cloud night]

Seems about right

Idk but im glad i finally got my ASS title so i can fuck around with psyker meme builds with a gold thing above my head

[strange wyvern]

I still gotta get mine but I got the lifespan of a summer ant on my psyker

[cloud night]

Oh I did it in zealot lmao
I stopped trying with psyker's fragile ass after a few times too many

[strange wyvern]

Probably making it a lot harder on myself running pubs

[radiant frigate]

what the fuck-fuck

[wind spruce]

Heinous rituals for sure

Disgusting

[deft stump]

Wow, you had what I had before the win. To be fair, I rerolled Vigil station cancer so...

[strong gulch]

gg

There were significant sections of that mission where I just stood there.

[nocturne dust]

As always, the secret to winning is me playing Psyker

0 other possible reasons we won

[strong gulch]

I watched my side with it's 5 enemies. 🫡

[wispy bay]

I was standing still for 30% of the game, spaming taunt and use shield...

[nocturne dust]

[wispy bay]

Almost survived the twins then got sniped by gunner on the back.

[nocturne dust]

Was actually very helpful, I have a hard time dealing with shooters these days

[strong gulch]

How else are you going to make snipers kick the air by themselves??

I haven't been playing much trauma. I could feel the sloppiness.

Dang gunner.

[nocturne dust]

Mostly just the change to their attack duration 😭 Tighter reaction times and my reaction times are awful

[wispy bay]

Also taunting the orgryn wall is the best way I can think of to kill them quickly.

[strong gulch]

same

we stay twinning

[wispy bay]

Well, if I have teammate, which I did.

[strong gulch]

true

we just get em

I hope I can sleep well tonight. You too @nocturne dust . May we sleep.

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

Feck. I just thumbed though my book and saw a spoiler.

Why must I fiddle with stuff??

[strong gulch]

thanks 4 carry

[nocturne dust]

o yeh, can u share your bully club build

I dunno how to build the thing

[deft stump]

Why you do dat?

[plucky flax]

At start
https://youtu.be/c6v0t1DdELo

Spam light and call it a day

[strong gulch]

Because I'm ungovernable and monstrous.

can't be stopped

[plucky flax]

More damage run thunderous instead of confident strike

[strong gulch]

yay

a build to steal

[nocturne dust]

work on monstrosities?

[plucky flax]

But toughness regen is too low without confident strike imo

Yeah only light attack in everything

[deft stump]

Thunderous skullcrusher only way.

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

Use keep swinging mod

To save your finger

[deft stump]

Light spam with some slaps best.

[strong gulch]

love slaps

[deft stump]

Yes, just not BoN if solo.

[plucky flax]

You're pro you play without confident strime

[deft stump]

Wot. Oggy diamond on top is toughness gen?

[plucky flax]

Ye

Not enough when solo chaos spawn

[nocturne dust]

Just a lil lag

as a treat

[strong gulch]

Don't worry. I took credit for saving you.

[plucky flax]

Without confident strike id take more damage against this orange h40 spawn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1365816828797911132/Desktop_2025.04.26_-_23.27.29.18.mp4?ex=6817ea0b&is=6816988b&hm=a28b4ff2b165264496dc900b82a9c5ce620e52c54fdf29a99ac9a2fb5925d5f9&

I think i only took 10 hp or so

Okay maybe 20 xd

[deft stump]

Oh. I only bother to try solo on Damnation or any Mortis.

[plucky flax]

In normal mode you can run ogryn without any blessing and win

Its that op

[deft stump]

You know I keep havoc games to as little per week for sanity reason.

[plucky flax]

40 secs to kill a 52k hp monster pretty good monster dps

[deft stump]

It actually tires me out.

[nocturne dust]

Darktide bullying Agent

[strong gulch]

that's my move

[nocturne dust]

The nanometer off from the weakspot be like that sometimes

[plucky flax]

Head hitbox is broken

[nocturne dust]

wouldn't surprise me

[deft stump]

It compounds with lag draining more to try to compensate for it.

[plucky flax]

It was lag

Would had hit head on eu

[nocturne dust]

Oh yeah

and this moment

Only reason friendo didn't get exploded is Havoc health shenanigans

[wispy bay]

Someone did blast me with a buster around that section.

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

oh yeh, that was clutch

[strong gulch]

blame me. idk if it was but it works

[nocturne dust]

Didn't realize you guys had run away

[strong gulch]

I saw leopard pants run and I followed. 😭

[deft stump]

No communications. WTF happened?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, they were up there like 2 seconds ago

they went down the shaft

I was like "Oh, I've been dogged. Fortunately, my allies are here to-..."

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[strong gulch]

I am very bad at keeping track of where my teammates are.

[wispy bay]

Damn, all of you are level 300+.

[nocturne dust]

only on psyker for me

[weary idol]

I am not over 300 on any class and yet

[plucky flax]

Follow am o the pokemon

[wispy bay]

I don't play much these time.

[strong gulch]

leopard cakes

Beans is over 900, beetlejuice is over 300.

I love my skill issues too much to let go of them.

behold

[deft stump]

Compounded skill and lag issues...

[strong gulch]

the greed

[nocturne dust]

Can't find a burster, but I did find something

It was me Barry

[strong gulch]

OH I remember that.

[nocturne dust]

If there is a barrel, there's a 90% chance I'm igniting it by accident

[strong gulch]

I specifically didn't blast there because of trauma's ridiculous ignition range now.

Ye, hard not to do on inferno and VB

[nocturne dust]

Me on EK when I accidentally barrel half the team:

https://tenor.com/view/idk-what-confused-seriously-i-dont-know-gif-16016619

[deft stump]

Lethal prox always gets me.

Throw one frag, all the room's barrels activates.

[weary idol]

voidblast staff moment

[nocturne dust]

They should nerf voidblast by making it change all barrels in a mission so that barrels only ignite at the worst moments for the players

[deft stump]

Lethal prox might be worse.

[nocturne dust]

It's not

They changed something with Voidblast in the Mortis Trials patch

It now explodes barrels in a much wider radius

(as well as some other shenanigans)

[deft stump]

Equal? Cos I wasn't kidding about activating all the barrels in a room.

And that's arena sized.

[nocturne dust]

🅱️istol's explosion radius with lethal proximity is 3.75 m

Voidblast has an explosion radius of... 8 and some change, iirc?

[deft stump]

I'm talking about frags.

You hit everything in the arena, even barrels.

[nocturne dust]

that's about equal then, yeah

[proper trellis]

How does the warp battery penance work right now? Do I have to continuously keep max charges up for 120 seconds or is it total per mission?

[nocturne dust]

total per mission iirc

[minor trout]

I want these two real bad

[marble crater]

Time to do some penances, sibling

[wraith sphinx]

christmas flavoured psyker

[drifting steeple]

bubble or shriek for inferno 🤔

[wraith sphinx]

reject the meta and scream, sibling

[drifting steeple]

screaming is so good...

[minor trout]

[glacial vapor]

Psyker penances are EZ

[deft stump]

Except MM.

[weak sierra]

Shriek isn't necessary with inferno staff since you're already vomiting out soulblaze stacks all over the place.

[deft stump]

You need another player.

Instantly extra hard.

[glacial vapor]

Only hard part of MM is finding someone to duo with

[deft stump]

SEE.

[glacial vapor]

Karien, you literally offer to help people with MM

[drifting steeple]

yeah i know but venting out all your peril in one fell swoop feels really good

[minor trout]

Why is there a particular psyker penance that requires a private match?

I have seen it other way around in games where u can't get achievements in private matches but not this

[weak sierra]

Because people thought doing those 2 private penances(that one and the zealot one) with randoms led to people playing in ways that amount to griefing.

[drifting steeple]

yea

[minor trout]

And the game actually did something about that?

[weary idol]

no lol

which is wh they're private game only

[minor trout]

Wow

[glacial vapor]

The penance used to be much harder iirc

[weary idol]

both did

Malleus Monstronum used to require you to do all of a monstrosities health with brain burst

[minor trout]

I mean yeah they fixed it by making the achievement private match only so people won't grief

[weary idol]

100-0

[minor trout]

They could have just not cared stall

At all*

[weary idol]

if somebody did even one damage to it you'd fail the penance

[glacial vapor]

You weren't getting done with randoms lol

[weary idol]

and showstopper or whatever it's called where you literally suicide into elites like a moron

used to require you to kill three elites with the perils of the warp explosion

actually it might have been 5 and then nerfed to 3

can't remember

[drifting steeple]

perils of the warp?

[weak sierra]

It was 90% originally

[drifting steeple]

i did that one by accident

[weary idol]

yeah that explosion does a lot more damage than it used to

I think it used to do 400

and at the time shotgunners on heresy had 450 or something

so you had to kill 3 elite enemies with an explosion that did just barely less than the health of the lowest health elite enemy

at point blank range

because the explosion did, and still does have falloff

[weak sierra]

Funnily enough you used to be able to do that by blowing yourself up with the plasma gun on veteran. Because Fatshark, in all their wisdom, coded the game in a way that the psyker's overheating and the plasma gun's overheating share the same underlying game mechanic.

[weary idol]

didn't the same happen for Zealot's stun grenade and the shock maul

[weak sierra]

Could be though by the time they introduced shock mauls I already had the stun penance.

[deft stump]

Shush you. Is the hard part, so there.

[minor trout]

That's not private match only is it?

[weary idol]

that one is

because it literally is telling you to grief your team

and blow yourself up intentionally

[minor trout]

Ah, I only remember seeing one tho

Is that the only psyker penance that's private match only

[weak sierra]

I guess you could save a few points by taking the shriek but none of the subnodes.

[weary idol]

no the monstrosity brain burst one does too

because fatshark couldn't be assed to rework the original penances to not have you grief your teammates

so they got made private match only as a bandaid fix

[glacial vapor]

It's not private? I did it in a public match

After aggro'ing a DH at the start

Team must have loved me that game

[weak sierra]

Only 2 operative penances are, the zealot speedrun one and the brain burst monster killing one.

[minor trout]

I am pretty sure killing an elite with perils of the warp explosion isn't private only

Only one was, and that caught my eye

The brain burst one

[deft stump]

It is. You might have gotten more bugs. There is a bug where private games are not actually private. Or just misremembering.

Or you did it like week 1.

[minor trout]

I can check in a bit

[minor trout]

Wouldn't it be the other way around

[weary idol]

oh so it's not

[minor trout]

For the achievement to work in public

[minor trout]

Yeah I saw it yesterday

[weary idol]

still a penance that forces you to grief your team

[minor trout]

1 elite enemies

[brazen rampart]

Pick and mix is the other one, I think.

[minor trout]

I wouldn't do it without friends anyway

[weary idol]

honestly pick and mix is probably piss easy in mortis trials

get the multi brain burst indulgence and you're golden

also easy if you use that mod that makes brain burst only target elites/specialists that you allow it to

[glacial vapor]

Nope. 100% public match. Did it about a month ago iirc

[lone wing]

the only private match required penance for psyler is mallace monstrum