psyker-class

[strong gulch]

Me @hearty wolf @nocturne dust

[frosty schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794801623036854302/1165501685792251924/crumple.gif

like tis?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-doctor-revive-defibrillator-gif-5304585453076024179

[hearty wolf]

Not like this 😭

[nocturne dust]

So it was written, so shall it be

Waiting for Fatshark to implement a peril steal mechanic where I can siphon peril from other psykers

[strong gulch]

Don't worry, it's the enemies falling over because aiming trauma on stairs is sus. Definitely not me ignoring a single poxwalker.

[hearty wolf]

That wll guarantee us true survivor

until you lag I mean

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-999ms-ping-lagging-delay-gif-25051830

[hearty wolf]

Lmao

[nocturne dust]

also last time we played I think we were on EU, the 240 ping would jump down to 180 where it normally is on EU

the extra ping was just a Fatshark treat

[atomic tapir]

This is the best build for Psyker Havoc 40. New players if you are struggling try this build. The curios really make this build shine.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dee7990-1ca6-4db3-af46-088a9e18fc2c/best-havoc-build

[zinc phoenix]

at least put more effort into the troll build

[fiery wigeon]

didn't even try to make it look legitimate

[modest patrol]

I smh at shock maul

[lean pivot]

shock maul on psyker seems wrong

lol

[fiery wigeon]

a good troll psyker build should do stuff like, normal scriers dd but take smite and extra nodes and follow up with malefic, not taking mettle, doing 25 stack dd, and taking reality anchor

[tawdry axle]

how to build with blaze force greatsword?

[radiant frigate]

bonk

[lean pivot]

mine has +25 to flak and maniacs annd shred and precognition

[tawdry axle]

talents?

[narrow herald]

lets fucking go

[fiery wigeon]

i do riposte and precog, +crit chance and +flak

[lean pivot]

smite seer presence bubble and the emporwed psionics

[proper osprey]

The carry

[nocturne dust]

+carapace, +unyielding

[tawdry axle]

yes

[nocturne dust]

I use wrath and unstable power

[fiery wigeon]

the -3 kills build

[lean pivot]

i just like smite tbh lol and the bubble is a nice support ability

makes me feel like a sith

[fiery wigeon]

thats a nice set too

[proper osprey]

You’d be better off with venting and purg

[nocturne dust]

I don't recommend most of these picks. Precog has a terrible duration, FGS kills most flak enemies very quickly, and +5% crit chance is... very meh.

[fiery wigeon]

i like unstable i just dont trust myself to play in a way to get value from it

[proper osprey]

It’s just better smite

[lean pivot]

i have a purg and vent, but im just not that into it myself

[nocturne dust]

Riposte is fine tho.

[proper osprey]

I hate smite because it’s nerfs the zealots

And vets

[lean pivot]

we only care for the witches here! jk

[fiery wigeon]

vent is really nice

[tawdry axle]

have you tried warp slice

[fiery wigeon]

make space for the team by killing everything lol

[proper osprey]

Bubble is only good in havoc but even then it’s not needed

[radiant frigate]

similarly bad

[lean pivot]

i have not. ive been hearing mix things on its usefulness

[tawdry axle]

i thinked it was good bc only this weapon has it

[nocturne dust]

It's as close to needed as something can get tho

[fiery wigeon]

warp slice is the 20 second cooldown guaranteed special crit?

[proper osprey]

Yeah it is very nice to have

[lean pivot]

whatttt scrier is the uneeded one! blasphemy lol

[nocturne dust]

wat

read wat I said again

[proper osprey]

What da hell

[lean pivot]

YEAH SCRIERS GAZE IS NOT NEEDED

lmao

[nocturne dust]

True

Damage buff boring

Fatshark give us something cooler

[proper osprey]

100 peril for 10s is so bad

It sucks!

[fiery wigeon]

buff scriers

smh

[proper osprey]

Totally not op!

Make warp unbound 20 seconds

[nocturne dust]

It's not OP tho

Like not at all

[lean pivot]

give us telekinesis i cant spell

[fiery wigeon]

warp unbound is too buggy to be op

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason every meta build is left side

Shriek goes bbbbbrrrrrrr

[zinc phoenix]

The H goes in place 2 not place 4

[proper osprey]

Little chuddie what level are your characters

[proper osprey]

Ok real

[wind spruce]

I've blown up 5 times out of literally thousands of scriers. The warp unbound bug is hardly relevant at all.

[proper osprey]

I love it when it decides to just not work

[lean pivot]

lol level 30. i just want more space wizard powers.

[wind spruce]

Yeah I hate that 0.02% chance

So game changing

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not needed on good teams

Most teams are not good

[proper osprey]

Yeah

I would love the 2 shields to become a bubble around your teammates

[nocturne dust]

It's not needed on *good teams

*teams with other forms of bullcrap shenanigans like book or way too much suppression/stagger

[proper osprey]

Or be able to hold it in front of you

[wind spruce]

Just gonna reinforce this. Precog is awful, flak doesn't give you any meaningful breakpoints against threatening enemies, crit perk is always bad unless there's synergy like infernus or blazing spirit

[zinc phoenix]

I mean in the groups we did it was a nice to have but everyone was able to operate outside bubble. When I pug a mid 20s run those people are doomed if they step foot outside it

[proper osprey]

Flak is purely dependent on the weapon

And character

[wind spruce]

We're talking about FGS here

[thorn cedar]

and astrological sign

[proper osprey]

Oh my bad

[zinc phoenix]

Flak Great Sword

[proper osprey]

Yeah precog on that is goofy

[zinc phoenix]

I put flak on it when doing a mob21

[nocturne dust]

They're able to operate outside of bubble but not forever

[wind spruce]

Bruiser breakpoint?

[zinc phoenix]

Time To Live: 1s

[thorn cedar]

their heads arent armoured tho

[nocturne dust]

Lacking bubble entirely will see the run fail without other shenanigans

like book

[thorn cedar]

makes me unsure about doin it myself

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck if I know, I do vibes not math 😂

[wind spruce]

Understandable haha

But also unforgivable

[nocturne dust]

but why

[zinc phoenix]

Because they make me mad

And they wear flak

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-why-but-why-gif-gif-meme-gif-4514043479169756766

[zinc phoenix]

So I want to hurt em

[proper osprey]

Cause he’s not giving head

[wind spruce]

I don't even notice them ngl

[nocturne dust]

Don't use flak

flak isn't what you need

You need wrath

[zinc phoenix]

I have wrath

[nocturne dust]

Use it harder

[zinc phoenix]

And warp splitting

And flak

[proper osprey]

All of those mobian hordes are unarmored at there head

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I know

[fiery wigeon]

wrath is just cleave yeah?

[zinc phoenix]

But sometimes

[nocturne dust]

yes

[zinc phoenix]

I just want to stab a mfer in the chest

[nocturne dust]

but FGS has low cleave for a really big sword

[fiery wigeon]

i see

[nocturne dust]

so wrath is generally recommended, or warp splitting

[wind spruce]

Yeah. FGS doesn't have great cleave and havoc enemies often have increased mass

[nocturne dust]

Havoc generally wants both

[wind spruce]

FGS only hits three bruisers at base.

Six with max warp splitting and 12 with warp splitting + wrath

[fiery wigeon]

are those the green guys wit helmets

[nocturne dust]

isn't wrath more than 100%

[fiery wigeon]

i have no idea what most of the trash mobs are called

[nocturne dust]

no wait

[wind spruce]

Idk why it works out that way, but yes

[nocturne dust]

wat am I thinking, it's not multiplicative

[zinc phoenix]

Do the damage modifiers on the sword affect the warp slice?

[nocturne dust]

wat damage modifiers?

[wind spruce]

Its possible that it was hitting 13 bruisers but only damaging 12 but I got bored and it was annoying to test at that point

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure the warp slice can’t headshot or I’d absolutely maul some hordes

[wind spruce]

Which checks out at 450% cleave

[nocturne dust]

Slice can't headshot, yes

no weakspot hits

[zinc phoenix]

Vs flak etc

I don’t think yes

[wind spruce]

I think the special isn't affected by perks or blessings

[zinc phoenix]

But it’s plausible enough that I wonder

[wind spruce]

With the exception of unstable power

Heavy emphasis on iirc

[nocturne dust]

uuuuuhhhhhhh

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I don't recall

but Irosk feels wrong

[wind spruce]

I usually am

[lean pivot]

what do you guys throw on ytour voidstrik staves?

[nocturne dust]

You were right about Souldrinker

[potent echo]

Warp slice (ranged) can't heatshot

[nocturne dust]

surge (works on RMB for voidstrike only), nexus, +crit chance (cuz surge), +maniac

[potent echo]

But I think the melee part does headshot damage

And also has unlimited cleave

[fiery wigeon]

[potent echo]

I love doing it into mauler crowds

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is the gamble staff

[fiery wigeon]

surgeblast is a beautiful thing

[nocturne dust]

yes

[wind spruce]

Clear whole hallways with each charge or do nothing

[fiery wigeon]

[wind spruce]

Bring back multiple charges of true aim per attack

[lean pivot]

void blast is great too for wrecking hordes

[fiery wigeon]

voidblast is pretty universally powerful

[zinc phoenix]

STRIKE

[nocturne dust]

voidblaze

voidshock

[fiery wigeon]

voidboom

[nocturne dust]

voidbeam

[fiery wigeon]

damn we need a beam staff

thatd be dope

[nocturne dust]

Force Greatvoid

Perks affect the slice

just tested it

[wind spruce]

I miss doing this with assail https://outplayed.tv/media/eQO85k

[nocturne dust]

92 damage on a crusher from +carapace, 81 from +elite, no talents

[lean pivot]

how do we like the electro staff?

[nocturne dust]

Does

[potent echo]

It's electro staff

Spam rmb and get highest scoreboard

Brain optional

[fiery wigeon]

my usual opinion on electro is I'd rather have voidstrike until i remember I can't aim for shit

[nocturne dust]

All staves are strong

Voidstrike is actually the weakest of the 4

[potent echo]

Sus

[lean pivot]

no way

[nocturne dust]

Not sus

This has been established

[potent echo]

Maths make voidstrike strong

[lean pivot]

im primarily a zealot lol. so this is new to em

me

[nocturne dust]

You are rarely in situations where you can make full use of the cleave

[potent echo]

It's not gambling staff if you do flurry surge and trueaim

[nocturne dust]

It's a lot of damage going to waste

[sturdy reef]

when POTS

[wind spruce]

Wtf who even told me that

[potent echo]

Yea but in those cases you use assail

You don't have to use void the whole time

You use it when you need it

[wind spruce]

How goddamn dumb do you have to be to stuff that testing up

[zinc phoenix]

Well that makes flak more appealing for what I’m doing

[nocturne dust]

The crushers laughing rn

[potent echo]

Melee

You have 3 slots

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Or void still does decent against bulwarks and crushers

Until they close in then you swap to meele

[nocturne dust]

Yes, it does

[sturdy reef]

voidblast it does well

voidstrike is too slow

imo

[lean pivot]

void strike feels like it is the best against crushers

[potent echo]

Not when they are in your face

[lean pivot]

use the warp flurry?

[nocturne dust]

The issue is voidstrike deals with them slowly and one at a time cuz it can't cleave them

[zinc phoenix]

Zap stick is good because of the interaction with psyk aura

[nocturne dust]

unlike trauma

[potent echo]

Unless you see true aim 5 then it's a sure kill

[sturdy reef]

voidblast has flurry too lol

[potent echo]

True aim makes void crazy

[zinc phoenix]

You snipe things to fuel cooldown reduction while also generating peril

[sturdy reef]

you knock them down and then your team gets to see what is behind the crushers

and if the sneak up on you

you just knock them down

its safer

and affects packs

[fiery wigeon]

thats a good point

[nocturne dust]

firing 5 times just to get a crit doesn't seem very worth it

even with surge

[potent echo]

Your melee builds true aim

[sturdy reef]

I get

88.5 percent crit on electro

[potent echo]

You can also keep true aim stacks then use it when you need to

[sturdy reef]

just lmb spam

[fiery wigeon]

i hate lmb

[wind spruce]

That's just not viable at higher difficulties

[fiery wigeon]

burn the lmb

[sturdy reef]

you will delete any elite that isnt a crusher

[wind spruce]

You need it up more often and more on demand than that

[potent echo]

Depends you don't have to force yourself to do it all the time

But when you can it's good

[sturdy reef]

or recon las ig but I think heavy las is better on gunker

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t even look at my buffs tbh

[nocturne dust]

so.... don't use the most damaging part of your kit because... you want to wait for true aim

[potent echo]

You don't have to wait

[fiery wigeon]

i just let true aim do its own thing but i also play gunker with vraks 90% of the time

[nocturne dust]

The logic is not logicking

[fiery wigeon]

so vraks makes it do its own thing anyways

[wind spruce]

It's about as good as if you imagined the same scenario but you're using melee true aim procs to guarantee blazing spirit

Ie very bad

[potent echo]

You already said yourself that void isn't good because it's cleave isn't used most of the time

[nocturne dust]

then we're back to this #psyker-class message

[potent echo]

So you melee / assail when you don't need the cleave

Then when you do you can have true aim

[nocturne dust]

I mean yes

and every other staff is superior

[zinc phoenix]

Does true aim work on the warp slice?

[potent echo]

No

[thorn cedar]

i just toss out an assail shard after five or less attacks in melee

[potent echo]

Warp slice doesn't use true aim

[thorn cedar]

not really complex

[zinc phoenix]

Dang that would be nice if it consumed it

[potent echo]

Would have made the talent pointless though

But the talent is still pointless

So uh

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/eQO85k

This is where it works well. When you can do it for back to back guaranteed surge procs

After nerf... meh

[zinc phoenix]

The cooldown on the blessing is too long imo

The effect is real good tho

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I'm not saying voidstrike is weak

but it's not stronger than any other staff right now, and the fact you switch off it at all when you literally don't do that for any other staff barring specific targets voidstrike can't handle that amazingly as well says a lot. Yes, it has a lot of damage potential, but trauma and inferno both have infinite of that.

[zinc phoenix]

Voidstrike strength is operating at crazy range which you don’t need most of the time but is very nice sometimes

[potent echo]

Void does have infinite range though, but that utility doesn't come up that often

[zinc phoenix]

Like on train or when fighting bridges

[nocturne dust]

The range is nice

[potent echo]

It's good for certain maps

Like the new map after elevator

The long bridge with no cover

[sturdy reef]

I hate the dark communion bridge

it has audio bugs

[potent echo]

It's the best staff to fight 80 ragers 200m away

[buoyant maple]

I love when the music is so loud I can’t hear specials on that bridge

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-sniper-tf2-meet-the-sniper-team-fortress2-gif-23137486

[modest patrol]

I turn down my in-game music, which is painful because the music is such a fucking jam, but I have to or I’ll miss cues

[analog agate]

I’m honestly surprised people still have the music on.

I can barely hear some specials as it is

[modest patrol]

It gets eerily quiet with no music at all lol

In those rare moments

[analog agate]

On non serious modes (everything high havocs) I listen to podcasts now. That is why I originally turned off the music

But some cues are still garbled

[modest patrol]

Oh I wouldn’t be able to podcast and play, my adhd would go nuts

[analog agate]

I use this game to zone out haha. Like I used to with arpgs

[modest patrol]

Fair, fair

[zinc phoenix]

I leave the music on and if I miss a special whatever

[modest patrol]

My music is at 60%

[wispy bay]

I start to hate it when people clearly using some straight up cheating mods, then insulting other people for not being as good.

[analog agate]

Oh yeah?

How do you know what mods they use?

[wispy bay]

Because I died and saw the extreme rapid melee attacking that clearly you need mods to do.

[analog agate]

Keep swinging?

[wispy bay]

And if they use such thing, without a doubt they have other.

[strong gulch]

You mean the macro for m1 cancel right?

[sturdy reef]

music is too peak

[strong gulch]

Keep swinging and full auto only go as fast as just spamming the button.

[analog agate]

I think their are some melees that you can animation cancel

[wispy bay]

Yes, but if you can keep doing it for 10 min straight, I don't thing so.

[sturdy reef]

you can quell cancel deimos l1

and its lightning fast

if you macro it, it'd be monstrous

like the peak potential of it is must faster than normal quell staff quell cancelling

I aint gonna do that though unless its a meme run

[analog agate]

I don’t know the context of what Deino is angry with. On the surface level I disagree I guess

[potent echo]

Deimos posted some cringe on Twitter

[analog agate]

Who is deimos

[thorn cedar]

partly why i run mind in motion lul

[hoary barn]

Having keep swinging and full auto both on can cause issues like can't swap mid swing and occasionally shooting staff primary without pressing button which is an issue when at 100% peril and trying to switch to melee, good mod combo that you need to keep an eye on to make sure they cooperate, but full auto with staff secondary charge set to 60% charge very convenient

[upper galleon]

Can’t you solve that by setting up the toggle keys for each mod

[lean pivot]

is there a way to not feel so fucking fragile as a psyker? outside of i suck at dodging lol

[potent echo]

Positioning is the most important thing

Fighting a 90° cone is alot easier than 360°

[upper galleon]

Positioning, Dodge, kill harder, block with kinetic deflection

[lean pivot]

so.... dont be trash .... user error lmaooo

thank you. i gotta be more aware

[eager token]

play zealot and learn to melee

[potent echo]

Learn map and don't follow pubs

[upper galleon]

Use defensive talents like empathetic evasion, kinetic deflection, shield, damage reduction on peril

[potent echo]

But map feel also only comes with experience so play more

[eager token]

kinetic deflection + deflector on force swords is a crazy good block stack, psyker has very fast stamina regen and you can get a lot of block pushes off too

[upper galleon]

U can block 360 (just costs more stamina)

Spam Sliding if you are approaching/going past enemy ranged without shield/source of empathetic evasion procs

[eager token]

trauma staff at feet

[wicked hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-leonardo-dicaprio-meme-gif-264784357847079048

[potent echo]

Trauma gaming

Me in havoc 40

[zinc phoenix]

Try playing this for a bit https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dedda36-acce-4228-947c-714ce3e35265/meleeker

It go fast and murder good

[hearty wolf]

Probably need to take a look at your build. It might reveal some issues.

Also people say positioning but it's also important to remember other people's position. You generally want to put your Zealots in front of you.

[zinc phoenix]

well built meleeker is just as tough and more lethal than zealot

[nocturne dust]

no it ain't

not even close

[zinc phoenix]

Lacks the ability to holy rev

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

[zinc phoenix]

But that’s it

[nocturne dust]

Lacks toughness on dodge, lacks holy rev, lacks insane crit

[zinc phoenix]

Perma SG with riposte gives you insane crit

[nocturne dust]

Needs to manage two buffs just to get near Duelist

[zinc phoenix]

Sure

But they’re easy to manage

[nocturne dust]

It's okay crit, it ain't Zealot crit

[zinc phoenix]

Also, we can shit out a giant wave of death from our melee

[nocturne dust]

one melee

That is super slow at the same time

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness if you are going meleeker why would you not take it

[nocturne dust]

and has no mobility and poor dodges

[zinc phoenix]

I have not noticed this dodge issue in gameplay

Altho that’s possibly because I am using DD and swapping to laspistol for most movement

Being able to swap to assail and mow down a bunch of stuff followed by still being a fully functional melee monster is pretty great

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but Psyker is still paper, unlike Zealot

[zinc phoenix]

I just don’t agree. We have so many tools to recycle peril into toughness so efficiently

And warp kills into toughness

[nocturne dust]

Toughness regen ain't crap

It's really hard to compete with pure actual tankiness

[potent echo]

Peril regen is good for fixing small mistakes

But I think what people mean by fragile is that psykers get absolutely punished by slightly bigger mistakes

Like taking a brusier hit without toughness

It's over Mr psyker

[nocturne dust]

I mean, peril regen is really only saving you from shooters, and even then not in Havocs

[potent echo]

Or one poxburster

No toughness can save you from that, also overheads etc

[nocturne dust]

If you get hit by melee or whatever (and it isn't an overhead that'll just break you in half), you can generally just play it safe or push and dodge until toughness regenerates regardless of class

[potent echo]

Yea but other classes can play poorly and still survive

Like taking 3 bruiser hits to your exposed back as an ogryn, just shrug it off

Meanwhile the psyker is on the floor

[plucky flax]

Psyker is impossible to play.

[teal reef]

For real ?, cause psyker is the only class I feel comfortable playing on high difficulties

Like mealsrom auric (my region is bad no havoc lobbies)

[broken carbon]

skill issue

fgs is plenty fine

[prime elk]

literally worst class

[nocturne dust]

Yes yes, everything is fine and nothing ever matters

[broken carbon]

lmfao

nothing burger

please consult the chart

[broken carbon]

the fgs mobility is plenty good

[red trench]

Is this build any good for havoc 40s? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da611bf-3ad5-45ea-adad-c1688476fabe/hechs-havoc-lvl40-purg-bubble-build

[broken carbon]

its a powerful 2h gs, its going to need to be balanced by mobility and attack speed

[nocturne dust]

It's alright, not great.

[red trench]

Whats the best bubble spam build?

[nocturne dust]

Mostly the same, really. The build does skip ER for no real reason though.

[red trench]

I was honestly gona take that if I use the build

[nocturne dust]

and not taking KF and Wildfire are other pain points

[red trench]

Is it too much to ask for you to show me the tree you would use?

[red trench]

thanks

not much value in the 6 charges huh

[nocturne dust]

Not at all

[red trench]

I really dont care for Kinetic deflector where would you put that point if you didnt take it

[nocturne dust]

I would not recommend that, KD really is incredibly useful if you make the effort to use it well, but I would probably put it in soulstealer or one with the warp

[red trench]

Alright. Thanks g, ur a real one

BB is gona kinda suck to use so is it just for specials or??

[nocturne dust]

BB is solely for Kinetic Flayer

KF doesn't require you use BB

[red trench]

ah

I see

[nocturne dust]

You can switch to BB sometimes, but mainly you only use it if you have 0 targets in Inferno range and need to stick with the group

[red trench]

Yeah

thanks again gona try that setup

[nocturne dust]

Hech's build isn't terribly bad, but at Havoc 40, you should have the skills to survive with or without OwtW (and ER). I would consider it an overinvestment in defense.

[plucky flax]

Yeah I die in sedition. 😦

[red trench]

What melee weapon?

[nocturne dust]

You can use a variety of things, but generally what's most complementary is Dueling Sword mk4

for Inferno

[plucky flax]

Deimos with deflector

[nocturne dust]

Bubble

Plus you have EE

[red trench]

So is a +3 stam curio mandatory for kinetic deflector?

[nocturne dust]

Not really

[red trench]

Is hech right in taking 2 toughness 1 stam curios or is 2 toughness 1 health better

[nocturne dust]

I would run a stam curio with DS4 or knife

but otherwise, no stam curio necessary with KD

[red trench]

word

[plucky flax]

Yeah and I still find myself blocking with deflector.

Ez solo clutch

(Timestamped) Here I would had been shredded to pieces if not for deflector. Bubble is not ready and shooters out of burga range
https://youtu.be/4-nV0YUEcl4?t=164

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but you'd also be out of position without deflector

[plucky flax]

Ye but deflector can help you push up more and be more aggressive?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[plucky flax]

That's what I'm saying

If you dont need it go ds4

But it's not like deflector is still useless even with ee and bubble

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I'm not saying it doesn't let you do things, but you don't need to be aggressive in Havoc

[plucky flax]

I enjoy 30 mins havoc not 40 mins

[potent echo]

If he has bubble and 3 choir boys, it's gonna be hell for shooter maps

[nocturne dust]

Vastly safer 40 mins or spicy 30 mins

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-o-neal-hot-wings-spicy-gif-13944997

[potent echo]

Purg needs to get in and suppress

[plucky flax]

Ye I had to be in the thick of it with the zealots

[nocturne dust]

3 choir boys is a bit much

[plucky flax]

Lfg tool in game

[nocturne dust]

but they could always do the slide gambit

slide close and hit them with the

[plucky flax]

When people are good at the game playing slow is also a drag and boring af

It's exhilirating when the bois move as one even without any comm just >yes >no and ping

[potent echo]

Asian server moment

[nocturne dust]

why can I suddenly not find the gif I want

[plucky flax]

Not like i can understand them if they speak

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

There it is

Got it eventually

[nocturne dust]

To each their own

Nothing like a squad sweeping every corridor like a pox upon Nurgle's house

[fallen pier]

hiya, I'm new to Psyker class.

are there specific pitfalls not to fall for when playing?

[wind spruce]

Spicy, everytime

[wind spruce]

Don't use bubble or smite until you're good enough not to use bubble or smite

[fallen pier]

whats that mean

[nocturne dust]

if you need bubble or smite to survive, you shouldn't be using bubble/smite

[wind spruce]

Bubble and smite are useful tools, but if you rely on them to survive you won't learn the defensive/movement mechanics like dodging, dodge sliding, etc that are integral to excelling in Darktide.

Oh and the #1 pitfall not to fall into is putting precog on your melee weapon

[nocturne dust]

Irosk hating on Scrier's best sub-node

[fallen pier]

oh dang, but I love using the bubble 😦 its like zealot book

[potent echo]

Precog hater till the end of time

[fallen pier]

whats precog

[nocturne dust]

It's two things

[plucky flax]

I'm just not good enough to use it

[nocturne dust]

Irosk is talking about the weapon blessing, which is +60% finesse on a successful dodge for 2 seconds

the other thing is the subnode of Scrier's Gaze, which is good and practically mandatory cuz the alternative subnode sucks

[deft stump]

You can get that in EU as well, not as good players but still.

[fallen pier]

is assail a good blitz

[plucky flax]

Ye I play with syllo we don't use voice chat

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[deft stump]

Also, to be fair, I think you didn't get SEA at that point. Probs Taiwan/HK.

[nocturne dust]

Only bad blitz is Brain Burst/Brain Rupture

[deft stump]

So bring smite?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-anime-no-nah-no-way-gif-16278184

[fallen pier]

I honestly just played Psyker cuz I saw the Yondu looking daggers

[nocturne dust]

Assail is the best for newbie psykers, scales very well at lower difficulties

[fallen pier]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

how I be feeling spamming that G

[patent jacinth]

People who keep blitz on G scare me

Why would you do that to yourself

[worthy wasp]

Psykers tend to be by far the shittiest players

[potent echo]

Yes it's me I was the shittiest players

[worthy wasp]

Issue is psyker players tend to be tens, hundreds, etc... of hours behind other players because they get comfortable turning their brain completely off and spamming some shit like smite or assail

[potent echo]

Preach

[patent jacinth]

You said this like an hour ago

[worthy wasp]

Never learn how to play the game and just stay shit forever

[verbal thistle]

Same can be said for every class

[potent echo]

🗣️🔥

[worthy wasp]

No it cant, esp not to this extent

[verbal thistle]

I don't think there is 1 noob class

[worthy wasp]

I'm not saying Psyker is a noob class

[verbal thistle]

I mainly think ogryn because of how many console players play ogryn

[worthy wasp]

I'm saying Psyker has a high ceiling and a low floor

[verbal thistle]

Yes

[worthy wasp]

I don't run into nearly as many shitty zealots/vets/Ogryns as I do shitty psykers when I hop into auric quickplays

Ogryn is the opposite tbqh, highest floor lowest ceiling

[verbal thistle]

That's just 1 pov

Just because you get into matches with bad players doesn't mean psykers have the worst players

All from me

Tired

Ggs

[plucky flax]

Why it's comfy place

[worthy wasp]

Nah, player flock to meta like sheep. Ogryn meta right now is heavy attack build and its an easy build to play and be comfortable with

[plucky flax]

I agree

[worthy wasp]

Therefore average Ogryn is doing fine

[plucky flax]

I never see psyker in high havoc

[worthy wasp]

But average psyker is spamming something that is shit and under the belief they are contributing when they are actually being an active detriment

[deft stump]

[plucky flax]

Psykers player spamming their spell thinking they good smh

They only do like 100k damage in actuality

[deft stump]

[plucky flax]

Is tru I can confirm

[worthy wasp]

Yeah, far more likely to see shitty psyker than anything else

Not even close

[plucky flax]

⬆️

[worthy wasp]

They should remove smite from the game and change where psykinetics aura is on the tree

[patent jacinth]

Smite can be made reasonable without removal

[worthy wasp]

So ppl who want to use assail can use it

[patent jacinth]

Give it exponential peril cost

Like scriers

[worthy wasp]

I agree, but it encourages brainrot

[patent jacinth]

Disincentivizes channeling

[deft stump]

[plucky flax]

[worthy wasp]

BB is specialist sniping

Assail kills unarmored/maniac

[deft stump]

Too slow tbh.

[fiery wigeon]

wrath fgs is fucking fantastic i massively underestimated this blessing

wow

[worthy wasp]

They should have a 3rd focused on carapace/flak

[fiery wigeon]

BB is crippled by how comedically unwieldy it is

[worthy wasp]

Or make smite a debuff that is instant cast

And has charges

Think of how shock maul applies electrocute status

But to an aoe

And have it raise damage enemies take

That are electrocuted

[fiery wigeon]

enfeeble but good lol

[worthy wasp]

Right

That would be my rework

[deft stump]

Just too slow. There's just too much dook going on to really use it past normal or low intensity damnation.

[fiery wigeon]

the speed boost when ability cast node should just be base

[worthy wasp]

Agree

[deft stump]

Unless your vet is literally failing to shoot the target.

And your zealot forgot what is a bolt pistol.

[worthy wasp]

Assail isnt as bad as ppl say in a vacuum, the thing that makes Assail ass is that it locks you out of aura

Just change aura's place on tree

[fiery wigeon]

assail is the only blitz that does anything on its own lol

i miss having a blitz

[deft stump]

I just want lower cd KF lul.

[nocturne dust]

smite knocks things over

Only BB needs help

cuz it's bad

[plucky flax]

Who ever said assails bad?

[nocturne dust]

I remember a noob saying it sucked like... two days ago?

[plucky flax]

Okay it sucks pls buff

[fiery wigeon]

buff assail and scriers pls 🙏

make assail so disgustingly powerful that it manages to genuinely overshadow psykinetics

[potent echo]

Yes buff trauma too

[fiery wigeon]

[nocturne dust]

I unironically do want a scriers rework tho

damage buff dumb

Gimme cool stuff

make it extend my melee weapon's range with warp magic

make it give me infinite ammo with warp bullets

Let me shoot through walls and stuff or something

[potent echo]

Make every enemy slow down

[nocturne dust]

They could do that with wall

Make every enemy that passes through it slow down

[worthy wasp]

Assail is bad

Because of its place on the tree

Psykinetics Aura is the strongest node in the game

[buoyant maple]

Could be cool with smth like
While SG is active, ranged weakspot hits do not consume ammo, but generate X% peril instead

[worthy wasp]

Smite needs to be reworked, the fact you can channel it is bad design

[buoyant maple]

Smth like 6% or even 8%

[worthy wasp]

It encourages you to play like a shitter

[deft stump]

Just make it worth letting go.

[worthy wasp]

Make it instant cast, give it charges, make it apply the shock maul electrocute status in an aoe, and give it shit that increases the damage enemies effected by it take

Now its good, has control, and isn't op

And doesnt incentivize you to play like a tard

You'd cast it similar to Zealot's throwing knives

[buoyant maple]

Make it ard spell (witcher 3) except it applies stagger & shock status (not shock DOT) on enemies hit
Hold right click to charge up a more powerful version with longer range and higher stagger

[worthy wasp]

Zealot's tknives feel good to use

[frozen spruce]

lads im stupid, what the fuck does the surge blessing do on staff

[worthy wasp]

You dont swap to the knives then throw

You just throw

Feel like more skills should be designed that way

[buoyant maple]

Make staff left click projectiles (and Voidstrike staff’s charged blue ball) shoot twice on crit
Also increases ranged attacks’ crit chance by +5%

[nocturne dust]

It's only good for LMB spam or Voidstrike.

[worthy wasp]

LMB spam or right trigger

Tendonitis

[frozen spruce]

im doin a electrostaff crit build, is the 5% crit worth it for right click spam or nah

[nocturne dust]

No

Use flurry and nexus

[worthy wasp]

Warp flurry for faster charge and nexus for crit

[barren arch]

god I love the force greatsword

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1321371717599367198/Greatsword_Elmo.gif

[worthy wasp]

Massive fan of dclaw on psyker.

[frozen spruce]

yea thats what i was using before, a guy told me surge was better and i was recieving perils of the warp from it

[barren arch]

dclaw is a solid weapon on anyone

parrying a gaggle of ragers will never not be satisfying

[nocturne dust]

surge is better if you spam LMB, otherwise not a chance

EK is the LMB spam staff

[worthy wasp]

Psyker using peril to block really allows you to parry the shit out of stuff

[nocturne dust]

but it's worse than RMB without quell cancelling

[barren arch]

how good is that one blessing that reduces subsequent channel on voidstrike?

[nocturne dust]

uuuuuhhhhh wat blessing?

Flurry?

[barren arch]

I think so

like reduces subsequent right click charge time

[nocturne dust]

Flurry is not bad, it's one of the builds Voidstrike has

[worthy wasp]

I got 2 builds on psyker, and all that is different between the 2 is the ult.

Dclaw + surge staff + bubble/kf

Surge all day, stuff gets in my face I parry

[nocturne dust]

People use surge, nexus, and flurry. Normally surge and nexus or nexus and flurry

There are some scary people who try to use flurry and surge with true aim

but imo it's not very good

[worthy wasp]

Trauma uses the soul blaze on crit

For more kf spam

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Blazing Trau-

no?

[barren arch]

hmm flurry and surge

[nocturne dust]

[worthy wasp]

Kf is the name of the ult, no?

[deft stump]

Double booms on crits.

[nocturne dust]

Blazing Spirit has nothing to do with Kinetic Flayer?

KF doesn't proc from soulblaze

[barren arch]

time to force feed some heretics some blueberry jawbreakers

[worthy wasp]

It does with the bottom left keystone

[nocturne dust]

don't do it 😭

[worthy wasp]

10% chance to get warp charge when enemy with soulblaze dies

[nocturne dust]

no

[worthy wasp]

Lets you spam ability

[nocturne dust]

Kinetic Flayer is BB subnode

[worthy wasp]

Oh, derp

[nocturne dust]

You mean Creeping Flames?

[barren arch]

in theory wouldn't the blessing that causes soulblaze on crit work with Surge?

[worthy wasp]

Yeah, CF

[barren arch]

true fireball staff??

[worthy wasp]

You get 6 soulblaze stacks. Enough to wipe a horde

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but Blazing Spirit sucks on everything except Trauma

[barren arch]

zamn

[worthy wasp]

Lets you spam more trauma

Its a loop

You endlessly stagger elites but while deleting the hordes

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike does enough damage on its own to kill anything except bosses on a crit and has low AoE

[barren arch]

I might try that

my Psyker overall is really geared towards everything but bosses tbh

[barren arch]

so I'm fine with that

[nocturne dust]

That is my ball spam build

For Voidstrike

[worthy wasp]

No psykinetics?

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's doesn't need it

and you literally have no free points in the build

every endpoint is a talent you need

[deft stump]

I low key want boosted ver of lethal prox on it.

I cast voidball yes.

[nocturne dust]

like if I had 1 more talent point I would grab perfect timing and skip battle meditation

but sadly

such is not the case

[deft stump]

You know fireball massive hit area.

[barren arch]

btw trauma is the big shoe lmfao staff right?

[nocturne dust]

uh

It's Voidblast

the one that explodes the floor

[barren arch]

yeah, big shoe lmfao

[deft stump]

The one that's impossible to aim on controller.

[barren arch]

I have played Payker the most

and I've never bothered to learn the staff names

[nocturne dust]

lol

[barren arch]

truly, my powers are beyond most mere mortal comprehension

[nocturne dust]

I think my psyker is double all my other chars combined in levels

[barren arch]

also I might honestly start running the block with peril blessing on my GS

but hmm

[nocturne dust]

I never run without Kinetic Deflection

ever

[barren arch]

yeah I used to run it on my Deimos

I became a bit too dependent on it lmao

[nocturne dust]

Nothing wrong with that

[barren arch]

like Id block shooters as Zealot, thats how used to it I became

[nocturne dust]

It can't be a crutch if it's always available

[barren arch]

thing is its fucking not lmao

Zealots aren't brainy boys

[deft stump]

When can zealots use faith to block boolets?

[nocturne dust]

It is if you don't play other classes

[barren arch]

wellll fair

[deft stump]

Cos I'm pretty sure that's canon to some degree.

[barren arch]

idk Martyrdom I guess

[nocturne dust]

Also you're mixing Deflector and Kinetic Deflection

Deflector lets you block ranged attacks

KD is block with peril

[barren arch]

oh yeah I am

yeah I run KD too then always lol

[nocturne dust]

Deflector should be buffed

[barren arch]

I usually run the Warp Sneeze™️ anyways so

its not like I'm impacted all that much lol

[nocturne dust]

Should count as a shield and let you block overheads/sniper shots/flamers

It eats a blessing slot after all

[deft stump]

My +9 stam psyker becomes meme in a corner.

Only fear disablers.

[nocturne dust]

The trapper phasing their net through the crushers:

[barren arch]

stack nothing but Block Cost Reduction

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-evil-laugh-fire-flames-burning-gif-24546963

[barren arch]

become impervious to small arms

[deft stump]

That is my psyker. I get like 32% peril tanking DH for ppl to do MM.

[nocturne dust]

I have a stamina/block maxed meme build with FGS

[barren arch]

I might try that too

Psytank

[nocturne dust]

It generates such low peril I can't get 6 stacks when shrieking off cooldown 😭

[fiery wigeon]

[barren arch]

the one meme build I had

[nocturne dust]

Even against reapers, gunners, and shooters all just unloading on me, lol

[deft stump]

Takes forever even with 6 ragers raging.

[barren arch]

that was kinda funny

was Shield Marine

the double shield with a gunker

[fiery wigeon]

blockmaxing psyker is incredibly funny

about as useful as smiker in most situations though

[worthy wasp]

I'd like to see more shield weapons added to the game

[barren arch]

with the basic idea of being a budget Veteran who sets up a shield and then picks off shooters and specisls

worst part is it was okay

[nocturne dust]

I wish deflector was cooler. It not being a normal block that protects in every direction sucks

[deft stump]

You can only block. The moment you drop it, you die.

[fiery wigeon]

gunker without scriers is so cursed

[deft stump]

I want damage reflect or dome block.

[fiery wigeon]

DD gets you pretty far damage wise i guess

[barren arch]

if you drop your defenses a daemon enters your body

[barren arch]

pretty sure I had the middle keystone at the start lol

[fiery wigeon]

[barren arch]

yeah I make some cursed builds that just...work

I channel the power of the dipshit and ascend to godhood through it

[deft stump]

I'm a vet though. Might be warp touched, but still.

[deft stump]

Everyone died seeing my builds. Pretty sure the Zealot one was the least... deadly.

[barren arch]

my Vet build brings people to a simmering rage xd

[deft stump]

Pretty sure you would reeeeeeeeeeee at my og build. It still exists btw. Slot 1.

[barren arch]

you underestimate my power

of understanding

[fiery wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9deeffa8-f7be-4445-a595-3b6618033148/gunker-12?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[barren arch]

if Im not reading the talents I only have half an idea as to whats going on

[fiery wigeon]

honorary 🦠

thats what i run most of the time

shit i fucked it

forgor mettle

[deft stump]

Sec, inf loading screen lul.

[worthy wasp]

Hmmm

So I got into dt when it released, played psyker only

[fiery wigeon]

thats not that bad

pretty bad though

[deft stump]

Just to add, it's a revolver build.

[worthy wasp]

I stopped after a while, came back recently and went back to psyker

[barren arch]

search for the message "behold" from me and bask in my brilliance

Id do it myself but mobile sucks

[worthy wasp]

But I just spent the last few weeks leveling and playing zealot and vet

[fiery wigeon]

#veteran-class message

[barren arch]

I am the immersed sniper

[fiery wigeon]

god that is disgusting

[worthy wasp]

Psyker stam regen is crazy underrated

[fiery wigeon]

i like zealot a bunch

[barren arch]

snipins a good job m8

also yes this is a Helbore build

[fiery wigeon]

im struggling to find the will to level veteran because i miss being able to kill things with my melee

tying weapon stats to level to such a significant degree is the worst design ive ever seen

[deft stump]

Stares at the smoke.

[fiery wigeon]

at least vraks is always there for me

op even at 40 in each stat

[worthy wasp]

Zealot is weird, it needs reworks imo

[barren arch]

have you ever played Warlock in DnD?

[deft stump]

I get double darkness.

[worthy wasp]

I feel like the best designed/balanced class is vet

[barren arch]

I am basically doing the equivalent of having Devils Sight and popping Darkness

and just standing there while chucking Blasts

[worthy wasp]

What a guy

[deft stump]

Cos my crown can channel for me and my set gives me unlimited dookness uses.

[fiery wigeon]

but darkness actually works

[barren arch]

yeah so does this

me am sniperman

[deft stump]

So whole arena is dookness of dookdook.

Bonus, we actually have another warlock.

Quad dookness go.

[barren arch]

dahkness consumes you

[deft stump]

Everyone hated it.

We just immune due to devil sight or equiv.

[barren arch]

when everyone has disadvantage

no one does

I really wanna play DnD

sadly for that I need a few things

yknow the PHB, a few other books

friends

[fiery wigeon]

you dont need the books

[deft stump]

Skip phb, me play without cos no money.

[fiery wigeon]

theyre very easily accessible online

[barren arch]

true theyre easy to find online

but yknow I need friends

[deft stump]

Not all DMs will let you join though.

[barren arch]

me am lonely man from lonely land

aka Bosnia

[deft stump]

Just play free games with randos on roll20 or summthing.

[fiery wigeon]

i discovered i just really hate roleplaying when i tried dnd

[deft stump]

They hate my minmax.

[fiery wigeon]

numberr gud

gib nmbr

[deft stump]

I basically 1 turn kill bosses.

Min damage at lvl 10 127.

All min 1 rolls.

DM just auto kills anything with less hp than that.

Let alone once a week instadeath sword.

Break the seal in emergency and unleash the cursed blade.

Target doesn't just dies, they just vanish into nonexistence.

[worthy wasp]

I got a weird dclaw build

I run mk1

With shred and rampage

[radiant frigate]

all dclaw builds are weird

[potent echo]

A mod came in here

[radiant frigate]

quickly, siblings

act normal

[deft stump]

They just special everything.

[deft stump]

I just showed my awful vet builds, seem to work fine.

[hearty wolf]

Doesn't the parry just reset shred tho xd

Devil claw but don't parry?

[torn kernel]

Is max crit voidstrike a meme

[wind spruce]

Only top 0.1% psykers can get value from precog

[deft stump]

It's just fun, also just go for true aim tbh.

[worthy wasp]

Nah

[hearty wolf]

Mmm

Feel like shred should be renamed

Shred sounds like it should grant bleed or strength

But it gives crit

Like wut

[deft stump]

Well, shredding through armor.

Crits be like, wut armor yes?

Also, IDK, go to heresy. Game is ezy. I just am not used to actually getting hit on the dot instead of playing D&D with dices.

[nocturne dust]

Shred -> Voidshred

[wind spruce]

True aim isn't even that important for void anymore. Provides probably ~10% crit chance if not more like 5%

[deft stump]

It just means a crit if you hit 5+ targets?

[hearty wolf]

It's beginning to make sense.

[wind spruce]

No? Once you headshot 5 times you get a guaranteed crit. And each attack can only give you one stack.

[hearty wolf]

A fun staff they could do is imbuing a target with warp energy and from their you can either detonate for high single target or charge and aoe detonate

[deft stump]

I guess is just double boom alot in the first place, so every third boom is a guaranteed crit.

[wind spruce]

If you're edging with warp nexus you already have about 40% crit, which means 40% of the crits from true aim would've been a crit anyway. Then you gotta add in all the times you don't get a headshot. It's certainly worth taking but the actual value ends up being a lot closer to a 5% crit node than you'd expect.

[deft stump]

It's strike... IDK how you don't hit heads with the end boom.

Unless doggos.

You miss then lul.

[wind spruce]

It's a non-hit scan projectile with funky physics. Non-weakspot hits happen frequently no matter how good you are.

[nocturne dust]

with a typical crit-centric strike build you can hit 60%+ crit

[potent echo]

Embrace flurry surge

[wind spruce]

I want to

I staned it so hard before the true aim nerf

[potent echo]

Stop thinking about lost value and just be

[nocturne dust]

Unnerf true aim

[potent echo]

You didn't need the value anyway

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

What about flurry nexus

[deft stump]

I know, and I build it with vent and dd so lul.

[wind spruce]

True pog

[nocturne dust]

I will just be over here with my gamble staff

[potent echo]

Flurry nexus

[nocturne dust]

That would drop it to 40%

Scrier's is 20%

[wind spruce]

Flurry surge has like 30% crit unless you run scriers 😭

[deft stump]

+5% crit on it, nexus

Or am I just getting lucky?

[nocturne dust]

how much crit is surge?

[wind spruce]

5%

[nocturne dust]

yes, 40%

[nocturne dust]

that's 22.5% crit

[deft stump]

45%, I think.

[nocturne dust]

+5 if you have crit perk

[wind spruce]

I was counting true aim for some extra

[nocturne dust]

about 40%*

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Too lazy to boot game up again.

[nocturne dust]

Stinky

[deft stump]

Just hahayes grenaded heresy.

[wind spruce]

Hey to be fair I counted it for fuck all haha

[nocturne dust]

true aim with 22.5% crit is worth about 12.4% crit on avg

if I'm not mistaken

[summer prairie]

if you play perfectly?

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[wind spruce]

I always play perfectly sooo

[nocturne dust]

if you never miss a weakspot

[wind spruce]

(Couldn't even type that sentence perfectly )

[deft stump]

80 blast radius heh.

[nocturne dust]

ew

Smite the heretic

[wind spruce]

You need blast radius for maximum blazing spirit value

[deft stump]

For the day I get buffed lethal prox on gamba stick.

So I can totally play beeg boomies.

[wind spruce]

"OMG imagine blazing spirit with surge blessing"

every new psyker ever

[nocturne dust]

Blazing Spirit wouldn't even be my 5th pick for blessings

[deft stump]

I just like beeg boomies, kay?

4x 20% to double mini nukes is funni.

[wind spruce]

I'd rather take focused channelling for less movement speed penalty

[nocturne dust]

Yep

Nexus -> Surge -> Flurry -> Focused Channelling/Transfer Peril

Sustained Fire if it worked on RMB 😔

[wind spruce]

Run'n'gun

Gotta reduce that 0 spread even further

[deft stump]

Burny stick.

[nocturne dust]

Run N Gun would be cool if it worked on RMB

but then Focused Channelling loses its main purpose, lol

[deft stump]

If 3 blessing slots.

[wind spruce]

That would be very fun

[deft stump]

Hell, I would take it as third blessing on everything with it.

[nocturne dust]

I wish the weaker blessings were better so I could actually have reasons to take them

[deft stump]

Just free accuracy.

[nocturne dust]

Terrifying Barrage should suppress everything, even crushers

[deft stump]

Even bosses?

[nocturne dust]

I mean

on staves, would be funny

spend twenty minutes shooting a boss with warp magic while it cries in a corner cuz you're bullying it

just like the good ole voidstrike days

[radiant frigate]

i still think the true power of true aim is with voidstrike as a sidearm to melee psyker

[nocturne dust]

eh

Wait

why take flurry then

[radiant frigate]

bonk bonk bonk guaranteed surge crit voidstrike

flurry?

[nocturne dust]

@twilit bobcat

[radiant frigate]

obviously take terrifying barrage

[nocturne dust]

no wait wrong person

@potent echo

[deft stump]

Lul.

[nocturne dust]

that one

It moved the names at the last second 😭

[deft stump]

Kat just wants to bully.

[nocturne dust]

Gui was the one advocating for flurry/surge with true aim and using melee to build stacks

but like

there's no point in flurry then

[radiant frigate]

nah skip flurry

BLAZING SPIRIT SURGE VOIDSTRIKE

[nocturne dust]

EW

[radiant frigate]

[wind spruce]

Lmao yeah didn't even think of that

[deft stump]

Should I mention I actually have the best H40 Gloriana for your memes?

[wind spruce]

HEHE GREAT MINDS

I did this 5 mins ago

[nocturne dust]

Pox Gas?

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

[torn kernel]

Already am

[nocturne dust]

Okay but what if

reverse blaze away for voidstrike

[deft stump]

No. No corruption, no farts, no dookness, no sniper gallery.

[nocturne dust]

gain stacks when not firing

[wind spruce]

I'll take it bc I like being stronk

But that's such bad design

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I like 'catch up' mechanics like that

[deft stump]

Probs the best for 4 smykers.

[nocturne dust]

It's why thrust should be built-in to all heavies

[torn kernel]

Nah gain stacks when holding max charge

[wind spruce]

Is it really catch up though

[torn kernel]

For maximum edging

[wind spruce]

I suppose sort of

[nocturne dust]

Not firing catches up with firing

[wind spruce]

Haha

[nocturne dust]

Warp Thrust

[deft stump]

Don't you have Illisi for that already? Stroke to edge more.

[nocturne dust]

Nah, you use FGS for it now

[torn kernel]

Mhm

[nocturne dust]

stroke your large sword and then shoot white goo all over

[deft stump]

Not as good.

[nocturne dust]

wat

[wind spruce]

Everything is better than illisi

Literally everything

[deft stump]

Slower.

[nocturne dust]

Get out Karien

[wind spruce]

Just weapon swap noob

[compact cargo]

Chaxe i s not bad for psyker