veteran-class

[thorn lark]

i do prefer inspiring barrage

[slow spade]

You can get away with it on breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

MY TURN

[regal smelt]

i do want a modifier that you can choose that buffs them again. like how its sometimes fun to go into pox gas alerts as cbt

[slow spade]

Lol

[slow spade]

Old shooters used to actually break my toughness

[somber axle]

Could do Carapace/Flak or Carapace/Unyielding

[slow spade]

Now at best they time their shots with a melee attack

[tall torrent]

It’s more for plasma
Boltgun is very good with puncture + pinning fire rn

[regal smelt]

carapiss lol. its tempting, but versatility off of flak and huggh damage on monsters is more enticing

[bold belfry]

So does it matter what melee i run with plasma and what talents should I take?

[somber axle]

I should clarify I'm talking about the XII LOL

[regal smelt]

nah ima take maniac just to dump into muties

[somber axle]

I wouldn't do Carapace on the VIc or XIV

[slow spade]

You want something for hordes

[tall torrent]

Well, if u could fit on a Rashad, sure

[slow spade]

Power sword, rashad, mk6 knife, maybe heavy sword?

[orchid hemlock]

ok i need to figure out where everyone is at

[tall torrent]

I can play rn if u want

[orchid hemlock]

lets try malice

[slow spade]

Messing with party finder

[orchid hemlock]

im just doing an experiment

[somber axle]

Probably Flakiac or Flak + Unyielding on VIc or XIV if you're skipping the crit chance perk

[orchid hemlock]

like where is everyone in party finder?

[somber axle]

Maniac is very tempting for all the goofy Dreg Rager packs spawning

[regal smelt]

XII is the fast one right? fuck the new names, that one is just reminding me of the mg12 las

[somber axle]

Yeah I have a thing for this! One sec

[bold belfry]

Talents?

[slow spade]

I assume you mean for rashad? If so, basically this but change flak for whatever enemy you hate

[trim steppe]

Or take flak, it still feels good with flak

[slow spade]

Like I use maniac because I hate Dreg ragers

[slow spade]

If they hate dreg bruisers, then they replace flak for flak

[fiery moss]

What's the ideal plasma gun statline that gets an extra shot with thermal resistance?

[trim steppe]

dat me!

[slow spade]

"God damn bucketheads" -Boko

[somber axle]

I can't find the copy paste thing I made but here:

Recon Mk VId = Recon Mk XII = Blue = Fast Firing
Recon Mk VIIa = Recon Mk XIV = Brown = Cleave
Recon Mk II = Recon Mk VIc = Green = Ammo Efficient

Alternatively

This to quickly reference for the new names

[slow spade]

Obligatory "but why fatshark"

[bold belfry]

[regal smelt]

probably rolls back to GW like all things

[slow spade]

True

[lavish solar]

guys I think the hotshot blessing on helbore is bugged

[fiery moss]

What's the breakpoint on thermal resistance for plasma gun for an extra shot?

[lavish solar]

at least in the psykhanium

[slow spade]

Will never understand why companies need to bury their IPs

[tame lodge]

It's applying to melee lmao

[lavish solar]

it applies to melee

yeah

lmfao

[regal smelt]

probably someone with in it needs a reason to stay employed. Wouldnt need lawyers if everyone played nice kinda deal

[trim steppe]

69%

[slow spade]

Agony

[slow spade]

The funny part this isn't even a joke

[final zealot]

Whats the easiest way to get the on overwatch pennance, I assume malice train mission since its so quick

[pale spear]

what is considered the dump stat on the columnus mark 3 vigilant auto gun? also what are the best blessings and perks for that weapon?

[trim steppe]

That seems to be the case

[fiery moss]

yeah I couldn't remember if it was 69 or 71

Well, I found an avenue for all my ordo dockets lol

daily gambling 😂

[trim steppe]

Perfect plasma is 69 TR, 71-72CR

Yeah if you want that roll good luck, Hammer spent 5mil ordos

I spent 1 mil to get 71TR 70CR

[tall torrent]

Gale found a near-godroll in Melk’s
Another friend of mine got a near-perfect in 2 rolls

Never stop gambling

[fiery moss]

Current best is 63 TR/76 CR, wish that was flipped lol

[trim steppe]

I think thats the real lesson to takeaway here

[tall torrent]

I got mine from brunt’s requisition

[fiery moss]

I'm doing the brunt rolling too

[trim steppe]

The real kick in the nuts for me was when I bought my plasma it was 70TR 71CR. Then when I empowered it they flipped

[fiery moss]

wait why lol

[trim steppe]

What are the odds that when FS eventually addresses the rounding issue, half of everyone's perfect weapons will be 79%s and shit

[buoyant knoll]

this is free right?

[lavish solar]

wait so 69% heat resistence and 80% has no real difference?

[trim steppe]

You need 4500 penance points. So it takes lots of time but no $$

[tall torrent]

No

[tacit hearth]

Huh, im looking at the lasguns and im missing a variant or so? or did they remove some variants

[trim steppe]

Correct

[tall torrent]

At 80% thermal resist, 8 shots sent u to 99% heat instead of 100%

U don’t get a 9th shot

69~80% thermal are all 8 shots

So whatever is lowest is best

[lavish solar]

wow okay

[tame lodge]

No
You buy one get three
Just go to your inventory and change the mark

[lavish solar]

so what about optimized cooling?

is 69 still the breakpoint if you take that blessing?

[tall torrent]

None of the cooling blessings are particularly worth

[tacit hearth]

Im aware of the mark switching, but i cant seem to find the kantrael mk IV anymore, just the IIb

[tame lodge]

Ah
Names changed

Yeah

[tacit hearth]

ahh i was gonna say

[lavish solar]

Im under the impression that optimized cooling lets you get a few extra rounds off before overheating from a cold start

[tall torrent]

The best use case for them is exe stance plasma but you’ll prob get more out of gloryhunter in that kind of build because you’re gonna need a lot of toughness sustain

[lavish solar]

might be wrong tho

[tame lodge]

The mk IV is the 2b

[tall torrent]

Yes, it’s however not as good as gloryhunter & rising heat, generally speaking

[trim steppe]

I hadn't run exec stance in a long time, so I ran it and remembered why I don't run it.

[tall torrent]

Exe stance Boltgun & Boltpistol are peak

[somber axle]

Yeah! They're the penance gear. Just gotta grind some achievements

[tall torrent]

I might be cooking smth up about Boltpistol

One of the biggest problems I ran into with exe stance is that

You’ll get randomly blasted by shotgunners and ur toughness instantly evaporates

Boltpistol is cool for this purpose because lethal proximity makes ur shots stagger groups of them out of firing animation

[trim steppe]

I still haven't been able to run bolt pistol. My game crashes when it tries to load it as my active weapon. I've accepted my fate

[broken spade]

what if you just dodged the bullets?

[lavish solar]

fair enough, what about blaze away tho

[idle swallow]

...skill issue?

[lavish solar]

I think that was pretty good pre-patch paired with gets hot, how does it fair now?

[tall torrent]

Would u prefer if u got ur breakpoints only when magdumping, or when you’re maintaining high heat

[lavish solar]

yes

also probably at high heat

[tall torrent]

Yea then rising heat is better

[lavish solar]

[barren tiger]

I’m in love with infernus and crit chance on recon lasgun lmao so much fun my god hordes with elites in the midst of them just get deleted if you aim head height 😂

[lavish solar]

remember to take onslaught too

[trim steppe]

I'm still solidly convinced that Blaze Away is a trap 90% of the time. Unless you're building a monster killer where you're mag dumping into a target you literally can't miss, there's almost always a better choice

[broken spade]

iirc i had a use for it last patch for a rager 2 shot bodyshot breakpoint
Probably doesn't matter anymore with rising heat

[tall torrent]

Plasma just generally 2 bodyshots ragers

[lavish solar]

also on a completely seperate note I would like to apologize to the shovel for shittalking it

I just tried it with decimator on and it deletes hoards like nobody's business

[trim steppe]

Which mark shovel are you runnin?

[lavish solar]

I was mainly using mk7 but was trying out the og one just now

[tropic notch]

is the mk2 the best tac axe?

[hearty panther]

Whichever moveset you vibe with the most.

[lavish solar]

also somehow the og shovel sounds better to me

weird

[somber axle]

Shovel sound effects are nice

A very satisfying WHUMP noise into a Poxwalker face

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-death-korps-of-krieg-криг-40k-warhammer-gif-24800190

[lavish solar]

true, but I feel like the og one sounds stronger, for lack of a better word

the folding ones sounds kinda hollow lacks a bit of the said WHUMP

[midnight totem]

Woo. Done with the event

[orchid hemlock]

finally

[midnight totem]

Hell yeah. Though I traded my mobility for cleave targets

[oblique totem]

joyful

[indigo lark]

what are dump stats for duelling sword/stub revolvers?

[rigid schooner]

Mobility

That and defenses almost always are

[final zealot]

For dueling sword I think its either cleave or mobility iirc?

[sinful jacinth]

Depends on the sword

[final zealot]

depending on which mark youre using and whatnot

yeah

[lavish token]

Wrong dump

[indigo lark]

if i'm using MK IV for the sword, what would that be?

[rigid schooner]

Mobility

Dueling swords give plenty of mobility to begin with, and you aren't losing much by having it at 60

[lavish token]

Ds4 is cleave

[indigo lark]

how about snub revolver?

[final zealot]

Mobility

Everything else is pretty vital

[tawny badger]

it really sucks that you have no grenades on respawn

[grim moon]

any resistances i should go for on curios?

[rigid schooner]

snipers, gunners

the rest are mostly just skill issues

[final zealot]

Gunner res is my go to

[rigid schooner]

or statistically not worth

[grim moon]

how much each, 2 gunners and 1 sniper?

[final zealot]

snipers are a bit more avoidable than gunners

[rigid schooner]

1 gun 1 sniper i think may be fine. snipers may be okay to drop because of this

i think +health +toughness is the go-to, right?

[final zealot]

I run 3 gunner res since I hate gunners

[barren tiger]

I just stack a shit ton of toughness and stamina

And combat ability regen

[rigid schooner]

with a sprinkling of single token ones like gunner, sniper, tough regen, stam, ability regen, etc

[final zealot]

health on vet isnt as vital iirc, toughness and ability cooldown are generally pretty good

as for curios themselves

either 3 toughness, or 2 toughness 1 stam depending on your setup

[barren tiger]

Toughness and ability regen, the third is preference to me

I throw stamina as the third over resistances

[final zealot]

I only throw stam on deadshot/more melee heavy builds myself

though its a nice one to have regardless if you can manage with 2 toughness

[fickle narwhal]

Moebian event plus night time best gameplay for ver what the hell lol

[rigid schooner]

Man, the MS word document in pinned is buggy. Links keep not working and the UI jumps around

It's unfortunate that vet doesn't have a guide that's spectacular like ogryn's or psyker

[tall torrent]

no, u want 200+ health

and 20% sniper resist

everything else are preference

[ivory rock]

Okay first time finally playin since the update still got no clue how shit works but this is a keeper right??

[tall torrent]

ammo dump is not ideal

dump stability for helbore

[ivory rock]

okurr

[sick cedar]

What're good perks and blessings on a shovel?

Haven't used one in a WHILE

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Skullcrusher

Uncanny Decimator

Trauma Skullcrusher for niche reasons

[restive rock]

is damage actually an ok dump stat for duelling sword?

idk if low mobility is the way for it

[viral nacelle]

No

Dump mobility 😂

Barring a brief period for purgatus damage has never been a dump stat

[rigid schooner]

Dueling sword needs damage, and is super generous with mobility

[velvet estuary]

Need some recommendations for the braced autogun, just cleared an auric maelstrom with this but honestly it was a bit meh

[orchid hemlock]

its cleave target

mobility is justified on DS because it feels like u have lead boots on

[trim steppe]

Deathspitter and FR might be a better blessing combo. And unyeilding to maniac. IMO anyway

[stray stream]

I need valuable advices about smoke grenades, the things to do/dont do with it.

I guess throwing it in the middle of a heavy melee mess is a bad idea to starts with.

Plz enlight me

[velvet estuary]

what mark do you swear by

[trim steppe]

for braced? I love the agri personally. It has 3 penetration so it mows down everything and staggers the rest. Very safe, very strong

[pseudo fiber]

hello vet chat
Anyone used any interesting builds lately I wanna try something new

[thorny gorge]

do you want the worst build for vet?

[pseudo fiber]

I'll take the worst

[thorny gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d31a6d7-2a0b-4c78-bd8c-a3452c62e300/chad-2

oh

he changed it

[trim steppe]

was it as bad as we hoped? I went to bed before I saw results

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think I can put those talents on vet

[thorny gorge]

no he changed it lmao

[pseudo fiber]

as funny as crunch would be with a dueling sword

[tame lichen]

whats the best combat axe atm

[pseudo fiber]

rashad

[crude fiber]

gg to these fine gentlemen, was fun

[tall torrent]

boltpistol exe stance is real and fun

[pseudo fiber]

I'll give that a try

reminds of a build I currently have actually can probably swap it over easily

what melee?

[rain badger]

Why no refresh of ult on ranged kills?

[vestal widget]

using it to hit bps and not to shoot all basic ranged enemies

[tall torrent]

rashad

[tall torrent]

u don't need to maintain exe stance on fodder enemies

[pseudo fiber]

the swiss army knife

[rain badger]

[tall torrent]

Veteran has 3 kinds of builds:

The ones that can fit in a Rashad
The ones that can’t fit in a Rashad
The ones that play knife

[vestal widget]

the effective area of frags with both tinkerer and lethal proximity is also very funny

[rain badger]

Rashad, Dueling, Rashad

[serene bough]

True

[last pewter]

gamers, remind me
how do the Helbore marks go again? like what's the heaviest, what's the lightest etc.

[pseudo fiber]

accidently loaded in with a mk10 laspistol I hate it here

[shadow dagger]

im running boltor exe stance with focus target and i cant find myself a melee that doesnt feel comically weird to use

devilclaw feels so awful unless i dial in and parry almost all the time

im trying heavy sword but i cant get down mk7s wide sweep

am i missing some other horde clear melee without doggy doodoo dodges to work with

i guess shovel maybe?

[pseudo fiber]

Can't go wrong with shovel

[void bison]

Powa sworb I

[vestal widget]

in keeping with the above comment, have you considered rashad on your bolter build

[tall torrent]

rashad

[void bison]

What’s the Rashad I never like da dueling swords.

[tall torrent]

yea I made it with rashad in mind

[vestal widget]

its the rashad combat axe and probably a top3 melee wep in the game

[void bison]

[pseudo fiber]

what perks and blessings on bolt pistol?

[vestal widget]

lethal proximity/whatever for blesses

[tall torrent]

unarmored + maniac, lethal prox + puncture

[vestal widget]

can do puncture/run and gun/surgical/etc

[tall torrent]

In normal circumstances (5 stacks of redirect fire), you can 1 headshot both gunners, both shotgunners & every specialist that’s not mutant, pox hound or Poxburster

With exe active on top of that, you can 1 headshot pox hound & poxburster, 2 headshot reaper, 1 bodyshot tox bomber & scab trapper, 3 bodyshot mauler, 2 bodyshot both ragers and 1 headshot dreg rager

[pseudo fiber]

How is lethal meta now what's going on

[vestal widget]

it's +25% to frag radius

and stacks with tinker lol

[tall torrent]

give ur frags +25% explosion radius

[pseudo fiber]

oh it's just for that

[vestal widget]

so you get tinker for free basically as long as it's out

when the frag goes off

[tall torrent]

and u can shut down shotgunner groups

because it applies stagger, not just suppression

[vestal widget]

the stagger's not bad qol, even with dumpstat collat

[shadow dagger]

still too sloppy with dodges so far lol

[tall torrent]

Are u used to knife/duelling sword or smth

[shadow dagger]

knife phase has wrecked my dodge discipline yeah

[vestal widget]

do you need puncture for those for hs bps

i guess i'd take puncture anyway cos i don't hit heads every time and also i sometimes run maul melee in which case otherwise i'd have like 1% boss damage

[tall torrent]

Scab gunner yes

[vestal widget]

tac axe i guess? you can take agile on those if you need a gazillion dodges for some reason but they're okay out the box

[tall torrent]

And Dreg rager

Also scab mauler 3 bodyshot

I think trapper & Tox bomber 1 bodyshot is more valuable to exe stance

[vestal widget]

makes sense

[tame lodge]

3a is the middle one
4 is the heavier one hits harder but slow to charge and has the slashy bayonet
5 is the lightest one charges fast but doesn't hit as hard as the others

[lament burrow]

Hello guys, i used to play at release and i'm a bit lost, veteran doesn't have 200 base toughness anymore ?

[jovial sky]

What blessings and perks do people run on power sword?

[supple stag]

Power Cycler, Brutal Momentum/Sunder for blessings
Perks: Elite + Maniac

[tall torrent]

No, 100 base now

Still highest of all classes

[lament burrow]

Oh ok thanks

[shadow dagger]

whats the elite do for breakpoints

[lament burrow]

played a bit of ogryn, but felt much tankier

i guess the talent tree makes a difference

[tame lodge]

Ogryns do have innate toughness damage reduction

[steel quarry]

they feel tankier cause they are tankier

[tame lodge]

Now watch vet surpass that with a talent

[steel quarry]

actually a feel no pain ogryn would be good for you to get back in the swing of th ings

but yeah

voc vet

[vapid nacelle]

There are a lot of fun reasons to play Ogryn but the selling point for me is Pained Outburst

[lament burrow]

which?

Vet used to tank so well, but it feels much squishier now

[vapid nacelle]

I think that's a good thing, no?

[tame lodge]

Iron Will

50% TDR when above 75% toughness

[thorn lark]

CHONKIER

[vapid nacelle]

That works with VoC overtoughness too right?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[shadow dagger]

does flak on rashad not help hit any bps

[ancient dock]

Assuming mobility is worst stat on the recon lasgun? (like it is on every weapon)

[somber axle]

Collateral is lower priority weirdly enough. Both do barely anything though

Pre-Unlocked and Loaded I did some funny stagger testing with the Recons and discovered their stagger value doesn't really matter much

[ancient dock]

so this would be peak then?

[vestal widget]

it can let you hit flak bruiser bps without headtaker depending on what melee nodes you did/didn't take

[pseudo fiber]

Pretty fun build
Bolt pistol is just a good time all the time isn't it.
Tried with a MK9 heavy sword and it did well

[somber axle]

If you use a Recon Mk VId (now called Recon Mk XII) with Executioner's Stance for the ranged impact damage bonus, add Combat stim and then max out with 80% collateral stat it takes exactly 90 shots to stagger break a Bulwark by shooting their shield. If you take that same Recon but change collateral to 20% and use it without Exe Stance or combat stim it still takes exactly 90 shots to stagger break a Bulwark by shooting their shield

This is a dumb test but it shows how little collateral does

The value is abysmally low and the fire rate is what causes it to stagger targets

Buffing that tiny value doesn't really do anything

[left patrol]

Veteran has a gun

[tame lodge]

" And for his special "

[tall torrent]

Yea when bolt pistol works it’s great

[pseudo fiber]

This also happened
Never survived a mauler overhead without gold toughness before

[kindred vapor]

What blessings are good for helbore? all the blessings I see in mastery look awful for it

besides like surgical

[indigo edge]

Onslaught is a must-have

Surgical is also good

[orchid hemlock]

Weight of fire is good on it

[kindred vapor]

why, you dont do a lot of shooting with it, you mostly charge shots

[orchid hemlock]

Wait helbore has onslaught? 🤔

U asking me?

[indigo edge]

I mean weight of fire my bad

[radiant chasm]

Weight of fire

[radiant chasm]

Weight of fire makes it charge faster

[indigo edge]

Named wrong blessing

[radiant chasm]

On the mk2 sure you can get away without it but on mk3 it is absolutely need for chain killing

[left patrol]

Veteran also has a nongun

[bleak jackal]

hi what do i put on my curios

[novel stone]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[thorny gorge]

im getting better at keeping reci active

i love mag dumping hordes

[strange crow]

I’m a fan of toughness regen speed bc it maximizes the already fast regen speed that vet has, I like cooldown reduction unless I’m using the shooting gallery perk, and at least 2 gunner resist and maybe 1 sniper resist is kind of a must have for any build imo

[bleak jackal]

thank you

[thorny gorge]

200 hp also lets you survive 3 walker bursts

but you can work those numbers around with toughness and hp

[bleak jackal]

yeah thats my question do i go for HP or Toughness for vet curios

[kindred vapor]

what blessings should I be running on this

[thorny gorge]

2 tough 1 hp is good

[tall torrent]

toughness regen on curios does not interact with toughness gained from kills

[thorny gorge]

then take 3 5% toughness and hp minors

[tall torrent]

it only improves coherency-based toughness regen

[thorny gorge]

2 gunners and 1 sniper resist

[bleak jackal]

thanks

[thorny gorge]

stam and carapace

or stam and flak

[kindred vapor]

why carapace?

[strange crow]

Yeah that’s what I mean, vet has faster coherency toughness regen speed iirc

[thorny gorge]

crusher heads

[tall torrent]

no

[kindred vapor]

I already have krak grenades for crushers

[tall torrent]

it's the same for every class

[thorny gorge]

and mauler heads

[strange crow]

M yb then

[kindred vapor]

the knife has no better perks?

[tall torrent]

do u want to kill crushers in 3~4 hits as opposed to 4~5 hits

[kindred vapor]

what about blessings, like should I run something else instead of uncanny?

[thorny gorge]

pick what ya want

uncanny is a must take tho

it gib alot of rending

[tall torrent]

uncanny is not a must take

it's just a safe and really overpowered pick

[thorny gorge]

why underline?

powercylce is too

[tall torrent]

haven't gotten around to overhauling melee weapon page yet

ranged weapons are overhauled

terminology section is overhauled

[thorny gorge]

Hammer

Why is there no noticeable difference in crit rate with reci and headhunter

Ive been running just reci and i don't really crit less

Is it due to the RoF of the recon?

[hearty panther]

headhunter is consumed when you crit, not when it crits

if youre already critting a helluvalot then it wont actually boost your crit rating that much in practice

[thorny gorge]

Ah that explains it

[vestal widget]

btw @tall torrent , what do you think of hotshot fleshtearer knife?

[kindred vapor]

Anyone got a executioners stance build for revolver?

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what is your favorite low investment melee 🤔

[winter grove]

What are the perks for the rashad again?

Why the fuck did it reply to that

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword prob

[orchid hemlock]

better than shovel or PS?

[tall torrent]

Well

For the lowest point cost options

[winter grove]

Dueling swords are just knives but with range

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword does everything except horde clear

[winter grove]

Statement from psyker players when only they had it

[orchid hemlock]

i dont like PS and I feel like Shovel needs desperado to get thos nice headshot damage

i havn't tried DS that much yet

[winter grove]

DS4 is a knife mk3 with range

Good for deleting single targets

God awful for horde

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but what is a good horde clear low investment melee then

[tall torrent]

Chainsword

U just rely on grenade & gun for elite

Chainsword + Boltgun + krak with exe stance is real

U have absurd boss & anti-elite power with gun & blitz

Heavy sword also good option

Might be heavy sword?

Best low point cost horde melee

[winter grove]

I'll keep that in mind

[orchid hemlock]

I love shovel but it feels underwhelming without desperado 😔

ill give DS try tho

[winter grove]

What's desperado again

The one with 25% free finesse dmg?

[somber axle]

And +10% crit

[orchid hemlock]

What about Mk6 knife?

Has decent wave clear with the heavies

[tall torrent]

Knife is the highest point cost melee for veteran

[somber axle]

Mk3 Flesh Tearer Riposte light spam into hordes for fun

[tall torrent]

If u can afford a knife, u can afford a Rashad

[orchid hemlock]

Then why is DS the least if it is just a knife with safer heavies?

[tall torrent]

Because DS doesn’t need things that knife do

U don’t need stam regen delay reduction or %stamina gain talents

[winter grove]

Is stealth rashad worth it?

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate with Rashad? Yea u can run it

Works

[orchid hemlock]

I ussualy go uncanny/riposte but maybe I can take rampage for better wave clear? 🤔

[winter grove]

Ok I just gotta figure out how to change my infiltrate taxe build for rashad and bistol combo

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-27058010

[ocean swallow]

Best recon las blessings ?

[frank basin]

Dumdum & death spitter

[orchid hemlock]

Oh here we go again

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896377332233801768/1293128351191535676/lbpim0651ftd1.png?ex=6706e7e0&is=67059660&hm=2253523d4d2ed867d72716909ed51dcfed767a2cf5bddcdbd41f7c2d271bc6f8&

[winter grove]

Dumdum infernus

[tall torrent]

Oh don’t bother
Ur gonna miss breakpoints

[winter grove]

Wait wrong class

[pearl sapphire]

Best dueling saber model and best DS blessings

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter with Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Headhunter without Reciprocity
Dum Dum + Infernus with Reciprocity if you like setting things on fire
Headhunter + Infernus if you don't like Reciprocity but you like setting things on fire

[winter grove]

Dumdum headhunter

[winter grove]

Huh?

[orchid hemlock]

The debate we have every day

[frank basin]

Dumdum like some mandatory blessing

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter is the best damage but you need Recip or it becomes ammo goblin mode

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is a super point hungry gun

[midnight totem]

It's not

[tall torrent]

It is

[rigid schooner]

Man, coming back after the update, all my skill trees are reset. I've figured out psyker and ogryn, but I really am at a loss about vet, and probably zealot when I get to him too

[pearl sapphire]

What’s the best dueling saber model and what are the best blessings for it?

[winter grove]

I've been running this with rashad amd bistol instead of taxe and zarona, whatchu think?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd51d34-807d-4f7f-9fcc-c639a785d299/stealth-taxes-invisible-irs

I mean my rashad is like

Not 500 rating

More like 275

[midnight totem]

One of my alternative builds is a modified power sword melee build and bolt pistol does just fine with it

[orchid hemlock]

Tac axe is really bad on Vet unfortunately

[tall torrent]

Low profile is better than hunter’s resolve

[winter grove]

I changed it to low profile

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol’s breakpoints take a lot of investment to reach

[winter grove]

I didn't bother changing it on games lantern

[ocean swallow]

Thank u sneamy cat

[midnight totem]

What breakpoints are those?

[frank monolith]

agreed

[somber axle]

Welcomes! Headhunter is only if you like playing backline support shooter, Recip works best if you play a very aggressive frontline fighting style

[tall torrent]

Gunner 1HS, flamer 1HS

Super basic stuff

Flamer is easy, u can just run maniac

[frank basin]

What about scab flamer?

[tall torrent]

Gunner needs unarmored/elite depending on superiority complex & redirect fire

[slow spade]

use only plasma charged shots so you always hit your breakpoints 😎

[frank basin]

It is flak or maniac for scab flamer?

[slow spade]

maniac

surprisingly there's no flak armor on the scab flamer

[midnight totem]

That's not difficult, imho. Elite superiority is a very common thing for vets to reach for

[frank basin]

If they did put flak on scab flamer

[midnight totem]

My bolt pistol runs manic/unarmored with elite superiority on the build

Easy kills on flamers and gunner elites

[tall torrent]

Requiring superiority complex for 1HS is extra 2 point cost compared to other weapons

[frank basin]

Elite superiority complex and carapace when hating crusher a lot

[tall torrent]

You also have to count in stuff like needing always prepared for weapon specialist

[midnight totem]

And elite also benefits my melee

[winter grove]

I personally can get over not oneshotting everything with bistol if that means I hit rashad bps

[arctic glen]

Damn im havibg a lot of fun with the veteran right now.
The bolter really is fun right now.

[tall torrent]

It ends up being ~3 points higher cost than most other guns

[steel quarry]

what are your guy's opinions on which helbore is best

[midnight totem]

Fair enough. I never use always prepared unless it's the doomstick

[frank basin]

Some guy said helbore is not great

Due to charge time and draw time

[tall torrent]

If u run exe stance u can

[steel quarry]

its not my favorite but im grinding mastery

[midnight totem]

Bolt pistol reloads faster then the revolver too

[arctic glen]

Its like with all guns.
If you can make them work, they work.

[frank basin]

There two variant revolver

One zarona and one agripinna

[winter grove]

Not a problem if you run infiltrate WS like I will

[somber axle]

Fast firing Helbore imo
The Helbore Mk II (recently renamed to Helbore Mk V) is fun for how fast it is and it gets the good bayonet thrust attack. It needs to be built properly for breakpoints though or it feels like the weakest variant

If you build it right it can 1 tap most elites/specials and you can even build it to 2 tap Crushers with Exe Stance

[winter grove]

Yeah, but infiltrate's more fun with melee

[frank basin]

Just rapid hit charge attack it should die

[somber axle]

A very funny gun

[frank basin]

With onslaught and surgical old combination

[somber axle]

That's still the best blessing combo even after the new blessings were added imo
Onslaught was renamed to Weight of Fire a while back because of the confusing name sharing it has with the Onslaught talent

Surgical is too good not to take since it turns Helbores into an infinite ammo gun with Shock Trooper

Hotshot is very eh because 50% more cleave is barely adding 1 more poxwalker/1 more groaner to each of your shots

the tooltip is borked

[midnight totem]

That's my default build

[somber axle]

if it was literally 50 more cleave it'd be hilarious

[arctic glen]

I actually love that we got the duelling saber for tbe veteran.
Style is peak on cadian, krieg and Armageddon themed characters.

[midnight totem]

I have three infiltrate weapon specialist setups on one of my two vets lol

[slow spade]

they named it hotshot to tease us

Fatshark knows

[tame lodge]

Heavy Hitter
Mk3 now 4

See it
Kill it
It's simple

[vapid nacelle]

Still need four of these https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d31c428-2241-43b3-87f0-68afd2ffc2e5/chad-3 vs Auric Maelstrom

Also what's the dump stat for Helbores?

[trim hemlock]

Stability is

[vale cypress]

what're the best melee weapons for vet

[somber axle]

in no particular order

Rashad Mk III Combat Axe
Combat Knife Mk VI
Power Sword Mk VI
Shovel Mk VII

Heavy Sword is also pretty good iirc? but idk how it ranks vs those

[vale cypress]

i see

[somber axle]

Rashad Axe is best

[vale cypress]

rashad mk 3?

[somber axle]

Yeah

[vale cypress]

surprising that the weapon you get the earliest is the best

[steel quarry]

there is no best really

[orchid hemlock]

What do u mean "earliest"? 🤔

[vale cypress]

i got the rashad axe directly after my shovel at level 1

[somber axle]

Very fast horde clear, good boss damage, push attack has strong stagger to interrupt rager combos

it can also slam Crusher heads

it doesn't really have a weakness other than feeling pretty slow

[vale cypress]

im level 15 atm

[vapid nacelle]

Needle 4 best in my heart

[vale cypress]

on vet

[orchid hemlock]

The weapons you get are random

[somber axle]

it requires some melee talents to get going

[vale cypress]

really? i thought that weapons were level locked

[orchid hemlock]

No

[vale cypress]

like i cant get the plasma gun until level 16 im pretty sure

[orchid hemlock]

No weapon is level locked

But it doesn't matter since u shouldn't be buying anything until 30

[vale cypress]

am i stupid

[somber axle]

Rashad Axe requires Brutal Momentum, Headtaker, 80% in all stats except mobility and Carapace as a perk (Unarmoured perk is a solid choice too to start the horde clear combo faster vs bruiser hordes)

and it needs Trench Fighter Drill + Weapon Specialist for better melee attack speed

it needs a lot but becomes really strong when it has what it needs

I'd avoid it if you're leveling still though

[vale cypress]

this is what i have atm

[somber axle]

it's just slow and goofy until it reaches that power level

[vale cypress]

i have some resources from my lvl 38 ogryn

[somber axle]

try out the axe vs hordes

[vapid nacelle]

this is on my psyker but I would logically assume it's the same for other classes too

there are level locks

[somber axle]

if you can kill 4 poxwalkers/groaners/bruisers in 1 swing it works

but level 15 is too early to afford the talents it needs to make it feel good

[orchid hemlock]

Did they add this in the item update?

🤔

[vapid nacelle]

No it's always been a thing

When you start out a character at level 1

[orchid hemlock]

Well it doesn't really matter, u shouldn't worry about weapons until 30 anyways

[vapid nacelle]

or rather whenever you unlock the shop guy

he never let you buy most weapons until you hit a minimum level

[regal smelt]

Is there a cure to stealth zealot brained people? My friend seems to have a terminal case

[somber axle]

Power Sword is a really good Vet melee but it has low mobility and requires Power Cycler IV or it feels awful

[vapid nacelle]

The minor holdback on the early psyker experience, my level 10 only has 2 staves unlocked

[somber axle]

it kills pretty much everything well though

[vapid nacelle]

I guess it's fine though

[somber axle]

and has very strong horde clear

[vapid nacelle]

any of y'all ever gone into damnation with the starting weapons before

[thorny gorge]

Im so poor

I cant give up now tho

[regal smelt]

https://youtu.be/HUXHlFXkLi4

Like how do I babysit someone farming grims without being a taunt ogryn on them constantly

[somber axle]

does he have the Gorillaz 2D eyes

[frank monolith]

try to find/fish for 80 dmg finess first target and pen and 60 mob then your good to go

[thorny gorge]

You dont

[regal smelt]

don't make fun of his looks. He is a beautiful baby boy

[thorny gorge]

Let him suffer

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gorillaz-gif-5801564

I didn't say it was a bad look

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/gorillaz-playstation-gif-11207073

[deft crystal]

do ii

its 2.5k

[thorny gorge]

Also tell him rushing doesnt work anymore

They throw so many fuckin specials at you on top of the bosses

[frank monolith]

we should play together i have no mic i listen and i type when questioned

[thorny gorge]

Its legitimately trolling to rush now

Tell him to go play twins and hit the bell skip if he doesnt wanna play seriously

[regal smelt]

The bosses are set in stone and will always appear in the same place no matter how far you're running, unless it's special monstrosities lol.

I tried the rush strat back when they increased special spawns and didn't note much of a difference in how hard it was. You still outpace most of the lot and it's easy to kill the few you cant

[thorny gorge]

What difficulty

[regal smelt]

damnation always

[thorny gorge]

Theyve changed how the director deals with it now

[regal smelt]

it was auric too at the time but I would of forgotten if it's just hi intens or shock troop

[thorny gorge]

You get even more bosses

And more specials

[regal smelt]

I would like to see 3 non scripted boss spawns in a regular match

[thorny gorge]

Specifically to stop zealots from doing that

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-lets-kill-him-spongebob-gif-26979738

[deft crystal]

rushhing does work

[thorny gorge]

Teams usually wipe before that happens

[regal smelt]

literally just this. went from "how do I explain to him" to "holy shit he's a few iq away from trolling me"

[deft crystal]

ur whole team just has to know

[somber axle]

if someone wants to rush ahead its their choice but you don't need to treat them like an escort quest LOL

[deft crystal]

thhat you are goingg to rush

It depends from team to team

[somber axle]

if they can't handle the trouble they find when they split off it is their trouble

[deft crystal]

Some dont have the dmgg output to rush

[thorny gorge]

You have to build for it

[deft crystal]

so you take it slow

[somber axle]

not your trouble

don't kill yourself trying to save someone else

save them if you can, don't die for them

[deft crystal]

Me watchingg my entire team get imobolized as Im doing untouchable operative 👀

speaking o whichh

[thorny gorge]

Yea but then you have half the map on your ass

[somber axle]

that makes it more fun

they get to spectator mode

you get to rambo mode

https://tenor.com/view/rip-and-tear-doom-doomguy-isabelle-isabelle-animal-crossing-gif-26156184

[regal smelt]

I do it if they're someone in my vc, usually more trustworthy than a rando. but holy shit when I'm not ontop of him its like "there's guys on me" when it's a regular horde, or "we aren't dealing with these specials" when I'm not a dedicated ranged class.

[somber axle]

one time someone wiped and then they started critiquing my gameplay from spectator mode

after I got a safe moment to type I said "no backseat driving" and kept going

[thorny gorge]

Bruh hes playing zealot and struggling with hordes?

[somber axle]

they were very mad

[thorny gorge]

Your buddy is ass

[deft crystal]

2 more missions

without dieingg

[thorny gorge]

[somber axle]

I know the feeling kinda I had a friend like that who used to play Darktide with me regularly but our roles swapped with Space Marine 2 because he plays that game religiously and I still haven't even finished the campaign so he ends up carrying me in operations LOL

[regal smelt]

he's playing psyker, he's fine off his leash when he has stealth zealot to crutch on

[winter grove]

Stealth zealots are fine as long as he's not rushing forward in front of everyone

Stealth veterans are just better

[thorny gorge]

Psyker is also a class that shouldnt struggle clearing hordes

[winter grove]

EP Smite

[hidden tree]

whats the meta for this gun now?

[somber axle]

art of you two

[winter grove]

That shit is fucking hideous in a good way

[thorny gorge]

[winter grove]

I can't help to have an evil grin when I am simply holding RMB+LMB and seeing entire horde just evaporate

[thorny gorge]

I usually run burst and the flame staff

Ill have to try out smite

Is that the lighting?

[winter grove]

EP Smite is fucking evil

Ye

[thorny gorge]

[somber axle]

ignore the Determined talent recommendation

after the recent update the sway is so minimal that you can kinda pass up Determined

[tawdry jackal]

what about for hip firing?

[vale cypress]

what site is that

[somber axle]

Cavalcade + Shattering Impact or Pinning Fire for magdumping

[winter grove]

How the fuck did they make human sized bolter sound much more powerful than they did in SM2

[hidden tree]

determined? what blessings are very good on it?

[thorny gorge]

First pin

[tawdry jackal]

i meant do i want determined if i usually hip fire?

[somber axle]

it's the link in pins from this channel

[somber axle]

you don't need determined either way anymore

[somber axle]

Pinning Fire + Surgical for DMR gameplay
Pinning Fire + Puncture is ok too
Cavalcade + Shattering Impact or Pinning Fire for full auto magdumping fun

[hidden tree]

thanks king

[thorny gorge]

[winter grove]

I gotta admit

[vale cypress]

is unarmored or infested better for horde clear on rashad

[thorny gorge]

1st

[winter grove]

Darktide bolters are the best way to portrait a bolter imho

SM2 bolters sounds like a generic LMG and deal comparably shit damage

[shadow dagger]

love hab dreyko

[somber axle]

Unarmoured since it should kill 4 poxwalkers in 1 light swing without Infested

[thorny gorge]

I think its cuz we are normal

[winter grove]

Can confirm

[somber axle]

Unarmoured gives Scab Bruiser breakpoint which combos with Brutal Momentum to kill 4 Scab Bruisers at the same time

[winter grove]

My rashad is like 51% dmg

And even then it can kill 4 poxwalkers in one swing

[shadow dagger]

i love the success of a 40-minute excursion hinging entirely upon whether the only guy with a medium-long range gun actually understands target priority or not

[somber axle]

but like Headtaker will naturally stack during horde clear anyway and get you the breakpoint eventually

[thorny gorge]

Install hardtide

[hidden tree]

what perks?

unyielding and somethin?

[somber axle]

I run mine with Carapace + Unyielding personally but the guide recommends Flak/Maniac

you'd have to poke Hammer of the Emperor/Numbers Cat for what breakpoints/build he's using for those perk recommendations

I like Carapace for better Crusher head popping and I like Unyielding because I hate Bulwarks too and magdumping bosses is too fun

[hidden tree]

agreed

[somber axle]

magdumping a Boltgun into a Burgle back is magical

[hidden tree]

I IKNOW

[thorny gorge]

He tells in important talent

[somber axle]

I usually do Exe Stance + Focus Target with Redirect Fire because it's funny how it deletes everything

[hidden tree]

Focus Target with Redirect Fire? I dont remember where those are

[somber axle]

Vet keystone at bottom middle:

if you kill a target fast enough after pinging it the next target will start at 2 stacks instead of 1

[vale cypress]

so how does headhunter on the rashad work exactly

the swing that kills on a weakspot has infinite cleave?

[somber axle]

+20% damage on the first kill at max stacks
+8% from Focus Target and +7.5% from Redirect Fire on all targets after

[vale cypress]

so every subsequent enemy i hit after i kill an enemy on the same swing has cleave

i think

[somber axle]

it's nice for pushing to important breakpoints

[somber axle]

Brutal Momentum lets you ignore hit mass and treat enemies as 1.0 hit mass regardless of the actual value. But ignoring the funny definition all it really means is that you can kill 4 targets in 1 light swing as long as the first target is killed with the weakspot hit
Headtaker gives stacking strength on hit (damage/impact) and pushes your damage to clear any horde type enemy in 1 light attack including the slightly tougher Scab Bruiser and Dreg Bruiser

these dorks

[junior grail]

Any suggestions for Helbore build?

[somber axle]

not infinite cleave but it makes it so you shred hordes regardless of whether they're basic groaners or tougher bruisers

[somber axle]

Depends on variant! I do a silly thing with the Helbore Mk II/Helbore Mk V but I can share the guide page instead

[vapid nacelle]

do I have too much HP..?

[junior grail]

Ooooh, is there value for No Respite?

[somber axle]

I do a goofy build with Exe Stance + Focus Target with Redirect Fire for the Helbore Mk II/Helbore Mk V with some extra damage talents from the tree to meet the Dreg Gunner and Flamer breakpoint comfortably. Then I can ignore Unarmoured and Maniac since those are covered to grab Carapace instead for melting Crusher faces off

[somber axle]

Tbh I'm not sure what breakpoints No Respite adds to the Helbore Mk II/Helbore Mk V and personally I still run it with Surgical + Weight of Fire usually because 80% charge fast firing variant Helbore with Weight of Fire max stacks feels like a dream

And Surgical feels sorta mandatory for both damage and also turning it into an infinite ammo gun with Shock Trooper

But sometimes I swap out Weight of Fire with Hotshot for the extra funny cleave

if your gun has infinite ammo it's fine to use the cleave to melt hordes

important thing to note though

the blessing tooltip is bugged and says it adds 50 cleave

it means +50%

[deft crystal]

1 more missiion without dieiing

[somber axle]

3.0 cleave goes to 4.5

[deft crystal]

gotta lock in

[somber axle]

but it also boosts bayonet cleave

so it's still funny

[frank monolith]

good luck i would play more but i got like 1-2 second delay

[somber axle]

oh also poxwalker hit mass is 1.5 and groaner hit mass is 1.0 so the Hotshot blessing just adds 1 extra groaner/poxwalker to the kill count on shots/bayonet stabs

also wait

I think the guide is wrong

he listed the bayonet slash under the Helbore Mk V

that's the Helbore Mk II pre update and it has the bayonet thrust not the bayonet slash

[junior grail]

Does the Quick Swap talent affect Helbores?

[somber axle]

The Helbore Mk III (renamed to Helbore Mk IV) is the heavy hitter Helbore with the awkward bayonet slash

[junior grail]

Is it better now? I always prefered the other 2 versions

[vale cypress]

didnt work on moebian 21st enemies

the axe stopped on the second enemy is that how it's supposed to work

[somber axle]

idk if I'd say better but it's not worse
it's slower firing speed for higher damage per charged shot with different breakpoints and it can be built for a one tap on Crushers and some pretty funny boss damage but I hate the bayonet slash so I don't generally use it

[somber axle]

it's probably because the stats are too low

[vale cypress]

ohh ic

[junior grail]

Crusher one tap has my attention, do tell

[somber axle]

it doesn't have enough damage to make use of Brutal Momentum

once you get to a higher level and power up the weapon it should kill 4 Moebian 21st in one swing

[junior grail]

Also Pomni cutie

[somber axle]

It's been forever since I tested the breakpoint but I can check real quick

I just got home so I can run to the Psykanium in a moment before I rush off to other things

[junior grail]

Take your time, I'm at work myself haha

[deft crystal]

All ggood

ty for thhe game

[vapid nacelle]

magic 8 ball will I ever get this last 21% HP Curio

[deft crystal]

As a vet?

toughness iis where its at

It is so easy to generrate as vet

[vapid nacelle]

I switch up a lot

I've been having more success with HP usually

[vapid nacelle]

but I need the extra 1% I'm missing for OCD reasons

[pseudo fiber]

How do you build devil claw on vet? Or I guess which one do you use

[somber axle]

Yeah the Helbore Mk IV can still one shot Crushers with Exe Stance

I'm testing the breakpoint again to see what all is required

[junior grail]

Okie dokes thankies

[junior grail]

Iirc the mk4 is the favored one, it has a 1st heavy strike down and horizontal lights

Gotta master the parry too

[somber axle]

My Helbore Mk IV has +25% Carapace and +10% Elite for perks, Surgical + Hotshot (though Hotshot does nothing for this test)
Using Exe Stance for the one tap

[fiery moss]

Headtaker and Brutal Momentum basically are must-takes for hordeclear melee weapons, aren't they?

I can never think of another melee blessing to take in their place

(Except maybe power cyler)

[vapid nacelle]

@mighty escarp I ended up dropping Invigorated as I couldn't notice too much of a notable difference but otherwise, the changes feel great. Just wanted to give my appreciations once more 🙂

[junior grail]

Not possible with non-exec build I assume?

[pseudo fiber]

My favourite horizontal lights with strike down heavies haha

What blessings and perks?

[fiery moss]

this is the best

[junior grail]

Also does anyone have advice on builds implementing smoke?

...I just want them new pants

[pseudo fiber]

If you want the pants just put them on with recharge and throw them at anything that annoys you

Gunners reapers shooters teammates

Medicade stations

Storm raptor

[fiery moss]

Doesn't the smoke obscure it for your teammates too?

lol

That's hilarious though

[vapid nacelle]

here you can have the one I'm using atm, made to be used with dueling sword but I'm sure with some small changes it could work with other weapons too

[junior grail]

I believe crit blessings were bis, perks are the usual flak and maniac

[pseudo fiber]

I'll give it a go tomorrow then

[pseudo fiber]

I mean yeah but that's not your problem

They don't even notice they're not being shot by gunners

[pearl sapphire]

These any good? Btw ik I put the same pic 2x, it’s because the other one is the exact same

[fiery moss]

Half the time they don't even notice they're being shot by gunners anyways 🙃

[pseudo fiber]

Trueeeee

[somber axle]

It needs at least 1 stack FT, Exe Stance, +25% Carapace, +10% Elite, 80% Damage/80% Stopping Power stats, Marksman, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone, both 5% ranged damage nodes, Bring It Down, Rending Strikes, Superiority Complex and a crit weakspot hit to kill a Damnation difficulty Crusher in the Psykanium from what I can see which is an absurd level of investment just to reach the one tap. It very easily meets the two tap with far less investment. So not an easy breakpoint to hit by any means but one can that is easy to make consistent with the right talent tree during the first 5 seconds of Exe Stance while For the Emperor is active against any pinged Crusher (but with Redirect Fire active it doesn't even need to be pinged with Focus Target)

Definitely not possible to one shot a Crusher with a charged Helbore Mk IV crit weakspot hit with Voice of Command or Infiltrate

[junior grail]

My thanks, I'm thinking this can work with plasma?

[vapid nacelle]

Couldn't tell ya, haven't touched a plasma gun since I picked up the game over a year ago lol

I use Needle 4 and Kantrael Laspistol

[tall torrent]

melee page format (new)

[somber axle]

Outside of Exe Stance it already will two-shot Crushers if both shots crit

[junior grail]

That's fair, still hoping for that Las-sniper for Vet hahaha

[somber axle]

I dream for a Longlas

The Las Fusil in Space Marine 2 is my fav weapon so far

[junior grail]

Aye agreed

[deft crystal]

on my last missiion

I ggot sniped

then pox burstered

I am....

calm

iish

[junior grail]

Skill issue

(Sorry)

[vapid nacelle]

I've been ping ponged by 4 different pox bursters before

[deft crystal]

4 MISSIONS NO DEATHS

2 HOURS

FML

[junior grail]

I got grabbed by a Mutant who threw me into a Trappers net before

[deft crystal]

ggettiing combod bro

Game directors sick of our min maxxingg

[pseudo fiber]

I personally would take the point off the 25 toughness and get locked and loaded for that sweet sweet ammo

[junior grail]

Vermintide VS mode in Darktide when?

[vapid nacelle]

Maybe the worst moment I've had is when a Mutant threw me into a sleeping Daemonhost :')

[deft crystal]

Best to bbe continued screen

OR a

"well well well, gguess urr wondering how I ended up here"

[vapid nacelle]

Also had the other day, a shooter woke up a Daemonhost and it decided to go after me and I only survived because of the Needle's insane dodges

It's gotten to a point where it's been so long since I myself have awoken and taken aggro of a Daemonhost that the recent few that have gone after me I've been a little confused how to handle

[formal relic]

does anyone have any tips on using the combat shotgun?

[bronze umbra]

man the more i use the agripinaa mk1 the more addictive it becomes

fatshark did such a nice job with it

[atomic zephyr]

is weight of fire/surgical still best in slot on helbore

armorbane seems interesting

[mighty escarp]

Glad you are having fun, thats all that matters

[vapid nacelle]

I may be stupid but which node is Locked And Loaded

Looking through everything, I might be blind but I don't see a node with the name so I'm assuming you meant Fully Loaded

[shadow dagger]

i think he means fully loaded

+ammo node on left side

[vapid nacelle]

yeah that's fair

I just like higher bulk

Just makes me happier to look at

[compact skiff]

I've been running this supression build for a lot of runs lately

That inspiring barrage talent has saved me in more ways than I would've thought

[tame lodge]

Nothing like oversuppression

Heck yeah

[compact skiff]

yeah it's bit overkill, but it supresses shotgunners in just a couple bullets

kinda falls apart on nurgle blessing modifiers but it is what it is

[nocturne mulch]

I like the meme powderburn shredder. With the right build it turns it into laser beam accuracy, like when you ads recon. Shit dps but it's interesting to have pinpoint full auto accuracy with no recoil on the autopistol

Uses alot of suppression

[gray nebula]

what do you reckon is the dump stat for combat knives? to help guide my gambling/shopping a bit

[compact skiff]

personally I kinda dump the Finesse stat cause I always take the melee attack speed node

[tame lodge]

It's mobility

[compact skiff]

this the kinda build I run for that

[tame lodge]

It's always

[winter grove]

Mobility

As always

[tame lodge]

Always

Mobility

[winter grove]

The finesse 😬

[gray nebula]

thanks, figured it would be that but wasn't sure

[neat stratus]

Access to FSR 3.1 on my system was a blessing

[compact skiff]

to me it doesn't really make much of a difference

it feels aligned with the mk4 rapier attack speed which I play a lot of

[winter grove]

Finesse is like

[tame lodge]

It's always without a single thought or hesitation
Mobility, Defence or Collateral

[winter grove]

Direct damaging stat

More damage = good

Less damage = bad

[compact skiff]

yeah except I'm running a serrated blade build which already does big chunks of damage

so i don't really care

[winter grove]

Right, bolter can't open shields anymore

[winter grove]

So you're doing serrated

...without mercy killer

[tame lodge]

Kek

[compact skiff]

Oh yeah

It was the wrong knife

I was messing around with builds

[winter grove]

THAT ONE STILL HAS SHIT FINESSE

[compact skiff]

Yeah I know

[ruby hull]

Anyone else remember the glory days of bromentum bayonet vet?

[compact skiff]

same deal same shit I don't really care

[winter grove]

Bro I would HATE sniper players so much

[tame lodge]

Now watch this pixel peek

[vapid nacelle]

Ogryns are considered Elites right?

[winter grove]

"I am behind 100 poxwalkers, good luck"

[winter grove]

Yeah

Both crushers and bulwarks

[umbral parrot]

Don't forget Reapers

[winter grove]

Oh right

Them too

[vapid nacelle]

alright cool trying to figure out a breakpoint lol ty

[last pewter]

man I'm still torn between the 3a Helbore and the 4 Helbore, which one to use that is

on one hand, the 4, with my current build, pretty much guarantees an instant kill on headshot and most of the time on bodyshot against most of the enemies I shoot (namely shooters/specials) and does great damage against bosses
on the other hand, the 3a has a far more usable melee attack and the faster fire rate helps offset the situations where I don't one-shot something important

[shell mason]

Whats the best blessings for power sword? Did they fixed the rampage bug yet?

[winter grove]

Er

Try not using a hellbore :)

Trust

[last pewter]

nah my helbore sniper build goes crazy

[winter grove]

Bolbgun

[last pewter]

I've never liked the boltgun lol

idk why, but I've always found using it to feel awkward

[winter grove]

I gotta admit, you have to have some keen eyes to use hellbores with irons sights THAT shitty

[last pewter]

funnily enough I did record some casual gameplay with my gf

like today

idk if I'd say I've got good eyes, I'm just

really good at pressing F and clicking on the funny glowing men

[shadow dagger]

point n click

[wind ravine]

This cleave target damage lmao

[last pewter]

though yeah

[shell mason]

Worth

[last pewter]

when I first started playing with the Helbore

[terse idol]

Eh it's just a square, if you've played ww2 mil Sims itsss

[last pewter]

I used a mod to give me a more workable scope lmao

[terse idol]

It's not that bad

But you are looking into a giant square

[last pewter]

haven't played a lot of mil sims, but I played the fuck out of old CoDs

[terse idol]

[last pewter]

as for my build as well

cus I imagine some people are gonna get a kick out of this lmao

[slow spade]

The boltgun got heavily buffed recently

Might feel better to use

[winter grove]

Compared to boltgun and boltpistol

[slow spade]

I've been having fun with it

[winter grove]

They are BAD

And those two have bad irons too

[slow spade]

Black iron sights in a game called DARKtide

[winter grove]

Autoguns are okay

Lasguns/pistols have holo sights

Recons can be worked around

HELLBORES

[last pewter]

hm hold on I don't remember my full build actually

[slow spade]

The budget could only fit the infantry lasguns 😔

[winter grove]

Make me wanna gouge my eyes out

[slow spade]

Obligatory Weapon Customization mod

[winter grove]

Bro

I got into modding my game

Because of hellbores

For that exact reason

[slow spade]

Same lol

[last pewter]

tbf I did too

and I got out of it cus the game kept crashing

and I just couldn't be arsed to fix it

[slow spade]

I would have been completely unmodded otherwise

[winter grove]

Good job on hellbores sights being shit

I wouldn't be having more fun that way

[slow spade]

Modding time

[radiant chasm]

Simply use them so much you cant go back to regular irons

[last pewter]

okay game's loading

let me see what my talent is for my sniper build

I know I once showed it off before and people told me I'm mad

[slow spade]

Or...

Can't be mad about sights if you remove them

[radiant chasm]

like montage

i do not like crashing every game

[slow spade]

Just don't crash

[last pewter]

behold

[slow spade]

Oh that is fucked

[last pewter]

I make it work though

[slow spade]

Didn't even take the stamina delay node lol

[radiant chasm]

is there a helbore build with infil

cause i don't really like exec stance anymore

not since patch 13

[last pewter]

I could tbh, I'm a lot more comfortable now that I got back into the game

[slow spade]

Even with its buffs?

[radiant chasm]

i mean

i was a rambo brauto user

[slow spade]

+1 point and the ability to swap to melee never hurts

[radiant chasm]

the only reason i used exec stance cause it gave me a ton of damage, tightened my spread and recoil, and I got 75% functionally perma DR

[last pewter]

idk Exe Stance has been like synonymous with Veteran to me for so long playing anything else feels weird

[radiant chasm]

and ebcause it was the only option

[last pewter]

like I also have this build I like

[radiant chasm]

i feel that with zealot

fotf and stun nades

[slow spade]

Oh yeah old exec stance was "balanced"

I usually change based on what's the best at the moment

[last pewter]

this build with double barreled + a melee of my choice, usually a knife or smth

[slow spade]

Power sword fix pls

[last pewter]

basically a melee Vet build except every now and then I pull out and do a quick shot

it's a lot of fun and definitely feels good when I feel like playing Vet but not my usual

[slow spade]

The +25 toughness node :c

As a VoC user, toughness is my fetish

[last pewter]

thing is

given enough enemies

this build's pretty goddamn durable

cus whenever I proc Weapon Specialist, I recover

was it 20% Toughness?

plus I'm generating more Toughness

[slow spade]

Yeah 20%

[last pewter]

plus I'm giving nearby allies Toughness

plus if shit gets really hairy, I have VoC to stagger and also give me more damage

[slow spade]

Eh Born Leader is pretty shit with low toughness

As its 15% of the toughness you regen and 15% of like 120 toughness is pretty low

[last pewter]

all of my relics either have the main stat or a secondary stat to give Toughness

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[last pewter]

it's not a large pool, granted, but it's pretty sizeable

don't remember the exact number rn

at any rate

that's how I play Veteran

one thing you'll notice is I really don't care for the meta, I just make my own stuff through trial and error and figuring out what I like/what I can make work

[slow spade]

I mean if I cared about the meta I'd be bitching about a lot than the +25 toughness node and Born Leader

[last pewter]

aye fair enough lol

[winter grove]

Infiltrate is fun

[last pewter]

oh I'm not saying it isn't

[slow spade]

My main advice would be to drop the +1 stam node at the top for +5% speed

[winter grove]

Oh this is hideous

[last pewter]

it's just, when I think Vet, I think Exe Stance for ability, and that's been hard-burned into my memory

[slow spade]

I feel its more stamina efficient to simply be faster instead

[last pewter]

aye prolly

I might give the talents a once-over anyways

[slow spade]

Its just swapping the top node for the one on the right

So at the very least its an easy thing to test

[last pewter]

especially cus I've discovered a decent fondness towards duelling blades

and those things are all finesse

[radiant chasm]

PLEASE

FATSARHK

I'm BEGGING

[slow spade]

+30% weakspoint node on the left 😩

[winter grove]

DS are just knives but with range

[winter grove]

DESPERADO

[shadow dagger]

knife PA has infinite cleave doesnt it

[last pewter]

idk my mk6 carves through hordes like a knife through warm butter

ALSO