psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

Uh, I think so. I think there might've been one other way before but they changed that?

[prisma igloo]

Telling me I cant have 2 vets running the same perk that gives toughness regen?

[haughty star]

I have only health toughness and ability cdr on my psyker curios

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

[haughty star]

Either one of the assail or perilous combustion

[nocturne dust]

You having +toughness regen on your curio only affects coherency regen for you, not anyone else

[haughty star]

He's getting confused with aura

Which also don't scale

[prisma igloo]

Theres a perk in the vet tree that speeds (i think its vet) that speeds up coherency regen so if two take that it won't stack?

[prisma igloo]

Dang

[nocturne dust]

well, I would phrase it as it doesn't stack

[haughty star]

Yeah

Two of the same don't

[nocturne dust]

that's personal

Only does it for the vet iirc

[steep estuary]

I don't really need the soulblaze, not sure if more assail or pointier assail is better though

[haughty star]

Doesn't matter pc is a heavy damage dealer in mixed hordes

[nocturne dust]

take the soulblaze

[prisma igloo]

Lemme try to find the name later

[nocturne dust]

PC good.

[prisma igloo]

Either way if it doesn't stack F

[nocturne dust]

Take it if you can.

[steep estuary]

I mean I can take it. It's a voidstrike (Surge Crit stuff), and a dueling sword.

[nocturne dust]

[prisma igloo]

Soulblaze

[haughty star]

That being said perkless assail is garbage

[steep estuary]

You'd be surprised tbh

[nocturne dust]

Oh, and you ain't taking warp splitting?

[steep estuary]

I mean 3 stacks though

[haughty star]

3 stacks?

[nocturne dust]

It's fine with warp splitting

[prisma igloo]

Also. Is there a way to change assail crystal colors?

[nocturne dust]

no

[haughty star]

3 stacks that stack

[steep estuary]

I thought about warp splitting actually

[prisma igloo]

I want purple or yellow. Dam

[steep estuary]

wait warp splitting cleaves on everything?

[haughty star]

Yes

[steep estuary]

3 stacks and my only other source of SB is venting shriek, so its not a real focus ig

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

Here

Use this

[prisma igloo]

I'm gonna trust baz because I still dunno. Hah

[haughty star]

3 stacks that stack

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

2 specialists or elite and all the trash dies

[nocturne dust]

That's specifically a voidstrike build btw

[haughty star]

3 and the other ones start to die

[prisma igloo]

So far I've noticed people only go straight down in a line

Then there's weirdos like me that mix and match

[nocturne dust]

Mistakes were made

[haughty star]

Also get rid of bm

Garbage perk

[radiant frigate]

true and real

battle meditation is trash-garbage

[haughty star]

That move alone will make you enough points to get warp splitting

[nocturne dust]

Only true for left side staffkers

[haughty star]

Or pc and one assail perk

Personally I'd go with the latter but I don't void

[steep estuary]

I uh, I kinda like Battle meditation. Mainly to grab the other toughness node, but I can work around it

[prisma igloo]

Pft. I mean all mine are meh at best I gotta lvl to max before I respec all my loadouts

[nocturne dust]

Don't grab the toughness node

[haughty star]

Battle meditation is so trash

[nocturne dust]

It probably won't save you

[haughty star]

It was only ever worth on burgatus and smite and isn't worth anymore

Ok maybe smite ep still

[steep estuary]

I've had really good experiences with BM and it's definitely given me longer salvos, but yeah I can cut it out of there np

[prisma igloo]

The 25 hp your left with after a crusher split your head open: thanks 25 toughness

[haughty star]

Either way not worth more than any of the aforementioned changes

[nocturne dust]

Psyker cannot survive an overhead

[languid tusk]

so if you have voidstrike staff and dueling sword and a plague ogryn spawns, do you stick to voidstrike or do you poke it with duelist sword ?

[haughty star]

Tbh id rather be dead than 25hp and no toughness

[haughty star]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Not without dumping their build and literally going for absolute maximum defense with bubble as well

[upper sun]

where do i upload videos for reporting people?

[nocturne dust]

sword if it comes at you

[prisma igloo]

Surely theres another way. Either way it doesn't matter all my builds have a way to stun something as psyker.

[upper sun]

is streamable ok?

[nocturne dust]

no

There isn't another way

It was tested

[steep estuary]

Hmm... faster assail recharge or more penetration?

[nocturne dust]

lol

I mean you can like stun crushers and stuff

[haughty star]

Perfection

[steep estuary]

Does that 5% ranged damage actually like... DO anything?

[prisma igloo]

Yup

[nocturne dust]

but if you want to take an overhead and survive you absolutely have to just dump everything but defense

on psyker

[languid tusk]

1 hit breakpoint against dreg bruisers with combat axe

[nocturne dust]

Zealot can survive way easier

[languid tusk]

wait nevermind, it's only ranged damage

[haughty star]

I mean zealot can survive anything once every 2 minutes

[prisma igloo]

Ive survived it as Vet but only because toughness

I still had 25 hp left tho..

[nocturne dust]

Without using that, Zealot can survive pretty easily, lol

[languid tusk]

to survive it as psyker do you stack health or toughness mitigation ?

[nocturne dust]

Both

[languid tusk]

madness

[prisma igloo]

Tru

[haughty star]

Health in perks

[nocturne dust]

As I said, you have to dump everything but defense

[steep estuary]

Y'know I'm just using assail to pick off DD targets or clear trash to give toughness. I don't need quick shards.

[nocturne dust]

Health curios with health and toughness in perks

It's ew

[haughty star]

I've played like that before, it's not horrendous

[languid tusk]

but then you get to brag with your friends that you can survive an overhead

[haughty star]

Just not as good as toughness

[nocturne dust]

and then ruin the talent tree by going for every toughness node and bubble with the TDR

[languid tusk]

might be worth

[nocturne dust]

on like 2 hp, lol

[haughty star]

I love bubble

Shit comes in so clutch sometimes

[prisma igloo]

Yeah guys I got this guy: meanwhile the psykers brain showing right after a ovehead.

[steep estuary]

I'll go for Ethereal Shards

[haughty star]

Go with perilous

Its so much free damage lol

Especially if you play in top difficulties

2 specialists and everything in mixed hordes start dying

[languid tusk]

if you take extra cleave depending on peril you should also take extra targets for assail

this way you hit 6 enemies when at max peril

[nocturne dust]

like if you miss a single defensive thing on psyker, you will just die to the overhead It's not even completely passive since you need bubble's TDR to absorb some of the damage

[haughty star]

If he's only using assail sparingly as stated just having the extra cleave is fine imo

I use assail literally as soon as there's more than five bolts so I take both

[prisma igloo]

As I said. The psykers brain is showing right after

[nocturne dust]

Assailker, smh my head

[prisma igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[nocturne dust]

like how you can get a mauler's skull showing with thammer while they're still alive

[haughty star]

Its so fun lol and I like assailing a mob just as a zealots about to dive in

You can almost smell their contempt

[prisma igloo]

Haha

[haughty star]

You could honestly afford to lose ee as well. It only really helps if you have a iag or rlg

[late sapphire]

It's very fun to harass a zealot and just explode whatever they are targeting

But on the other end whenever i play zealot i end up with a pgun vet shooting every single target the moment i charge at one

[steep estuary]

Fair enough, The staff crits often, and is guaranteed after 5 weakspot hits, but nowhere near as often as those weapons yeah.

[late sapphire]

venting shriek without pc 🤮

[haughty star]

Like this is my current assail as a weapon build

[steep estuary]

PC

lol

[haughty star]

Lastly I would test with and without quietide traded for the extra assail perk and determine which one works better for you

[nocturne dust]

y shriek and not scrier's?

[haughty star]

I think you meant me lol

[steep estuary]

Scriers would end quick with the staff I feel

[nocturne dust]

no, is correct

[haughty star]

And i pick shriek because it's massive horde clear and I'm trash lol

[nocturne dust]

warp unbound

[late sapphire]

sg warp unbound is peak

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is the staff that likes scrier's and can use it

[late sapphire]

surge scriers

[steep estuary]

I mainly keep shriek as a panic button, space maker, or to help someone who gets pounced out of position

[nocturne dust]

I even posted my voidstrike scrier's build earlier but clearly that was ignored 😭

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/not-mine-jail-bonk-doge-gif-23745078

[jovial juniper]

Quelling
Kevin Hart posing

[nocturne dust]

Is alright if you aren't looking for insanity.

But me, I'm a meta munchkin.

[steep estuary]

I really should tap into the meta and move onto harder things tbh

also swapped to scriers to see

[haughty star]

Idk shriek is pretty massive number crunch

[nocturne dust]

Shriek is good on every staff

but uh

you want warp siphon and psykinetics to spam it

so a DD build makes it kinda

eh

a DD build with no psykinetics at that

[steep estuary]

Psykinetics aura?

[haughty star]

Noone spams it as much as it recharges tbh. Not that I've seen from you tubers anyway. It's a short cdr and the numbers are infallibly large for damage output

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[nocturne dust]

Tide tubers, as far as I've seen, are super hit or miss

I definitely use shriek off cooldown

at least when the fight is actually in gear

[haughty star]

Never really a bad pick. I'd even say better for overall damage. If you want staff more damage go scriers, if you want more overall deffo shriek

[nocturne dust]

which is often on auric

I don't disagree, even on voidstrike. Shriek is that unfair.

[steep estuary]

I'll try running this a bit

[nocturne dust]

But if you want to use voidstrike, scrier's.

but if you don't have any cooldown reduction, I do not recommend shriek

[haughty star]

Shriek is Bae 😍 plus helps keep me from exploding when I get too crazy with assail lol

[steep estuary]

I do have the 4% on my curios just because ability cooldown is nice to have

[nocturne dust]

in talents

[prisma igloo]

Hah

[nocturne dust]

The 12% is whatever, lol

[haughty star]

Anything but pa on a 30 second cdr is whatever imo lol

But every little bit helps

[nocturne dust]

I mean it helps hut yeah, not exactly changing the game (which is why I don't take cdr on curios)

[steep estuary]

Alrighty, two things to try next time I'm on. Juuust gonna pop these here as a note-to-self.

[nocturne dust]

that'll get buried

[haughty star]

I just don't see anything better to grab for psyker. All the things for resist are things most of my builds decimate fast and the other two slots are health and tough

[prisma igloo]

I actually might recommend sending them to a private chat or private server

[steep estuary]

Not if I don't speak again XD

[vagrant grove]

People when search message

[haughty star]

Yeah he can just search media from himself

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/819620688292872237/1225287716720087130/charistheai-dogepound.gif

[steep estuary]

Also I'll be playing either tonight or tomorrow night. Search the chat from me & contains image should do it~

[vagrant grove]

(You should just put it in the thread though)

[prisma igloo]

I forgot that exists. Too much work

[nocturne dust]

impossible

[steep estuary]

(Oh thats a good idea)

[rain meadow]

someone gimme their trauma staff build

[haughty star]

No

[vagrant grove]

Blow up

[haughty star]

Trauma is basically burgatus isn't it?

[nocturne dust]

toughness regen speed is super useful, it really is. I know plenty discount it, but it is actually good if you aren't looking to solo and helps a lot with ER's negative.

Also gunner resist and sniper resist.

Yes, I kill them easily.

That doesn't stop them from teleporting behind me because Darktide shenanigans.

[vagrant grove]

#1158835513789272126 message

It’s not what I use but

[haughty star]

I stopped running sniper resist because you barely survive the hit either way. But that's just me and curios perks are 100 percent subjective

And if i fuck up bad enough to get hit by the Gunner the stagger lock gonna be the death of me anyway

[nocturne dust]

with 3 sniper resists you can survive 3 shots with 1 health and 1 toughness iirc

[vagrant grove]

I don’t run resist anymore, I’ve found stamina regen and running sideways is better

(For my playstyle)

[nocturne dust]

The gunner resist helps my toughness break just that bit slower so I have more time to react

[vagrant grove]

Whenever I get hit by gunners I usually get stunlocked and killed even if I have all the resist

[haughty star]

Yeah the stunlock is aids

[nocturne dust]

agreed

[vagrant grove]

I do run resist on ogryn, he’s such a big target so

[haughty star]

Yes

Ogryn all the resists

[nocturne dust]

Stunning players in a PvE game is bad design and that's my opinion but also a fact

[vagrant grove]

Also huge health pool so it’s more value

[haughty star]

And health cuz fuckem may as well

[nocturne dust]

ew

I run toughness on Ogryn

taking sniper shots and not any health damage is fun

[vagrant grove]

Ogryn gets toughness from hitting things though

[haughty star]

I do both with Gunner, sniper, and flamer resist

[nocturne dust]

exactly

[vagrant grove]

Why need more if already have loads

[nocturne dust]

Wdym? So you can survive more

Take crusher overhead and laugh

Take sniper shot and say "Must've been the wind, sah"

[vagrant grove]

I do that already

[haughty star]

Either way I hate oggy

[vagrant grove]

I run 1 toughness and 2 health

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but you take health damage

You die eventually

[haughty star]

2nd least favorite character

[vagrant grove]

Like 50

[nocturne dust]

I just immediately regen toughness and never die

[haughty star]

Vet is my least because all the builds that work well for it are so bleh

Its like picking the commando class or equivalent in bl series

Like it's fun and all but uhh

Everything else is just more funner

[nocturne dust]

My issue with Ogryn is he's big and slow, which is a huge problem in a game with disablers no matter how tanky he is.

[vagrant grove]

I like all the classes

They all have something to bring to the table

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't dislike any of the classes

[vagrant grove]

I think the biggest issue for ogryn is just weapon variety

[late sapphire]

Ogryn really wants a friend to help against disablers

[flint spear]

Ah yes the inability to vault the handrail

[late sapphire]

But if you have a competent friend you already win

[nocturne dust]

my list of mods grows ever larger, lol

[vagrant grove]

I want an autocannon

Is there a mod to help with the vaults?

[nocturne dust]

which vaults you mean

[radiant frigate]

what if friend is also ogryn

[vagrant grove]

The ogryn vaults

[flint spear]

🤣

[nocturne dust]

lmao, no 😔

[vagrant grove]

There should be

[nocturne dust]

not that I know of at least

[vagrant grove]

Gonna commission a mod for it

[languid tusk]

secret ogryn build for train mission: triple stamina curio

you can run for days

oh wait this is psyker chat

my bad

[jovial juniper]

Don't forget sprint efficiency

[nocturne dust]

Slide spammers in shambles

[worthy stratus]

sounds like you need more fun vet builds

[haughty star]

Closest to fun I've had is db

And even then it's meh

[worthy stratus]

plasma + shout vet is boring as hell

DB can be pretty fun on a melee setup

I like shooting things more on vet though

[haughty star]

Db with the double barrel is hilarious

[nocturne dust]

Vet is dumb because they have to aim

[patent mango]

only build i liked on vet was db wep specialist gaming

[radiant frigate]

i think i no longer enjoy

[nocturne dust]

Tech priest moment

[radiant frigate]

[bronze cloak]

trying to pick up combat knife on my psyker what are the go to blessings ?

[jovial juniper]

Uncanny Riposte
Uncanny Precognition

[bronze cloak]

thanks

[rain meadow]

interesting

1% warp resistance

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/upQOveNAWVA
https://youtu.be/_5NL8UqkoLo
Neither video is perfect DPS output but the difference is obvious enough that I don't feel like I need more evidence

Also this is with maximized BB with EP vs just my regular purgatus + DS build without warp siphon. The DS isn't even optimized for bosses.

I could also make it even better for purgatus with penetrating flame and yes it's a bit unfair since I can just whale on the weakspot, but that was my original argument

[haughty star]

Can anyone grab me the picture of shriek?

[jovial juniper]

The atlas one?

[nocturne dust]

I can give you a low quality pic of it

the icon I mean

are you looking for the diagram of its radius oooorrrr do you just need the icon, lol?

[haughty star]

The radius one yeah

[haughty star]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

RIP I don't have that one

[slate oasis]

first to die and in a spot where he can't be picked up on time, types this, instantly leaves

[haughty star]

The quality of pubs is awful lately

Locked and loaded and gamepass did not do this game a service

[nocturne dust]

They need you to carry them in lower difficulties

[slate oasis]

I've noticed weekend games are particularly bad

[haughty star]

Tysm

[ripe obsidian]

Splat.

[plucky flax]

Huh you use burga on ds but not with bb?

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

And why are you playing that bad monster damage build?

Play burga with creeping flames and 3 ep stacks lol

[ripe obsidian]

In a game where I did 790k damage, killed 135 elites and 146 specials, Kinetic Flayer did 50k damage. 6.3% damage increase.

[nocturne dust]

you literally said EP BB was better than burga dueling sword 😭

[plucky flax]

Use your whole tool kit bro.

[jovial juniper]

[plucky flax]

Burn to 15 stacks then cast creeping flames then use your ep stacks.

[nocturne dust]

shouldn't you stack uncanny first

[ripe obsidian]

If we discount horde damage and only do elite/special/monstrosity, then I did ~490k damage. 10.2% damage increase

21 of the 281 elite/special kills are attributed to Kinetic Flayer

[nocturne dust]

I didn't even use shriek on the burga + ds build

[plucky flax]

Use it.

[nocturne dust]

ugh but that requires more wooooooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkk

https://tenor.com/view/polar-bear-lazy-slide-right-to-left-gif-13788382

[plucky flax]

Or if you really want to we can play a monsters maelstrom.

[nocturne dust]

I dun have the skill

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

My damage will suck

[plucky flax]

My highest I got was 287k

[ripe obsidian]

Question: @plucky flax In Fire Reborn or Psychic Vampire on Blaze Trauma?

[nocturne dust]

I'll play too safely and lose to you after you steal all my soulblaze

[plucky flax]

I use vampire.

[ripe obsidian]

That is what I am using as well

[young dune]

Hi basic question but I was thinking about this last night. So your build is planning on using mainly assail for general killing if I understand it.

Whats... the alternative? as in is there any other way to use it since I can't see it.

Brain burst is clearly a "hey there's an elite lets make him pop" and then you swap back to your other weapons.

Smite is "hey I need to hold y'all for a bit" and then you swap back to your other weapons

Assail is just damage. And sure damage is good, death is the best cc etc, but like my gun can do that, or my staff.

Basically I'm trying to figure out what makes assail worth using over guns of staves and how I can support that with a loadout.

[tired estuary]

It's the best for precise peril management, lets you save ammo vs trash, helps with horde clear (esp on weapons like ds4)

[uncut sinew]

use sciers and EP or DD with assail and you'll be dealing with hordes, elites and specialists with ease

[young dune]

ep and dd?

[tired estuary]

You don't use it instead of guns/staves it supports them

[uncut sinew]

Empowered psionics or disrupt destiny

[young dune]

ty

[young dune]

ok saving ammo tracks. precise peril management?

[uncut sinew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1a18b8-edba-4905-8c4a-0b7e3ab2b68b/baller-assail-2

try this build

[young dune]

follow up question, what is the electrostaff for, elite popping?

[rain meadow]

is trauma soulblaze build real?

[uncut sinew]

carapace, unyielding and elites/gunners

[orchid ibex]

@uncut sinew this looks fun

[uncut sinew]

it is

[nocturne dust]

It's not working

[uncut sinew]

very agressive and high dmg

[orchid ibex]

i like watching the little crayons fly around

[prisma igloo]

I know that face from anywhere (your pfp(

[uncut sinew]

they are satisfying to use when you delete hordes

[orchid ibex]

@prisma igloo great game

[prisma igloo]

It really is haha

[plucky flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lyN5CY5Le8

[haughty star]

This build specifically uses recon 12 and the dueling sword so I have no real great and cheap method of trash cleanup or peril generation

[nocturne dust]

@plucky flax The kill takes ~10 seconds longer in the psykh

[haughty star]

Assail fits that role perfectlu

[nocturne dust]

when using BB

[plucky flax]

Do you headshot a live monster everytime even if it aggroed another person?

[nocturne dust]

No, but that holds true for both builds

[haughty star]

Bb can't miss

[nocturne dust]

since they're both making use of DS once BB expires

[haughty star]

Fair

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but my point was about pure DPS, not consistency

[prisma igloo]

I don't miss a headshot if available so.. yes

[nocturne dust]

I agree BB is more consistent, although idk, I guess I can try pure purgatus versus BB + purgatus

that would remove the weakspot stuff

[haughty star]

But that also removes the weapon selection

[nocturne dust]

It does also remove the uncanny soulblaze

[haughty star]

In that case you could go rlg an bb or void and bb and so on and so forth

Columbus and bb lol

[orchid ibex]

@uncut sinew i have a question. i've been typically using precognition with scrier's but i don't have much experience with reality anchor. why do you prefer that one?

[nocturne dust]

Also pure purgatus is still faster than pure BB, and that's without +unyielding

[uncut sinew]

both are good, i like the dmg, but 60% less peril generated = funny

[nocturne dust]

by about 30 seconds

[uncut sinew]

precog is better, but reality anchor funny

[orchid ibex]

ah, so you can just stay in scrier's forever?

[uncut sinew]

mhm

[orchid ibex]

makes sense lol

[uncut sinew]

constant 20% move speed and extra dmg

[orchid ibex]

I'll give it a shot, it does sound fun

[uncut sinew]

it truly is

[summer prairie]

EP BB does have good burst dps against weakened bosses

against full hp bosses it's not great

[haughty star]

Even regular old bb does with the buff from ability

Let's be real here psyker is never good for much other than doing their part when it comes to bosses

[nocturne dust]

not at all

[haughty star]

Its fine

[nocturne dust]

I'm literally comparing purgatus and BB rn and all it feels is like a DPS loss even at maximum BBing 😭

[summer prairie]

if you want to simulate fighting weakened bosses, you can do Uprising difficulty in psykhanium, they are both 50% hp iirc

better for dps testing anyway since you don't have to take ages killing the boss

[haughty star]

Better than no boss damage or quarter health bar of corruption from chasing bonbon tails around. Psyker sucks at bossing so any meaningful damage is good imo

[orchid ibex]

man, i wish i could break away from sniper/gunner on my curios. the moment i do though i'm going to get picked up and thrown by a mutant and shot by a sniper like skeet

[nocturne dust]

Purgatus doesn't have these issues

[haughty star]

Then you have to run a shitty purg

[nocturne dust]

and its damage by itself it still competitive with BB

[haughty star]

Bb you don't have to run anything but bb

[nocturne dust]

I mean surge also works

and Voidstrike can avoid the tail and still do damage

[plucky flax]

@nocturne dust I killed a chaos spawn with ds4 using burga to 21 stacks of soulblaze 5s faster than with soulblaze ep bb alone.

If I was really dps maxxing on my monster killer build I'd use my knife to put bleed on it after I finished my bb. This is all done with all headshots and the monster standing still.

In a real game ep bb out damage it easily with ease of use and safety. As proven by many 200k+ monsters damage number in monsters maelstrom.

[nocturne dust]

Hhhhmmmmmm This was in psykh?

[plucky flax]

Yeah with a chaos spawn standing still.

Of course with uncanny ds4 headshot spamming it outdps.

[nocturne dust]

I've been using bonbon

[plucky flax]

I also have shred on my ds4.

So it crits a lot.

[nocturne dust]

I use thrust

So the change in dps isn't the BB, it's the DS

[haughty star]

I literally pretty much top always for bossing when I'm running bb and shield with dd unless there's a dedicated monster killer like gungryn or hammer space racist

Just because it's not as good as dedicated methods towards bossing on a char with shitty bossing potential doesn't devalue them

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I pretty much top monster DPS any time there's not a hammer or gungryn too

[haughty star]

Especially when considering bb will almost always just work better in a real game

[nocturne dust]

regardless of build

pubs be pubbing

[nocturne dust]

Hard disagree

[haughty star]

Yeah we get it you're the bestest dorktide nerd ever lol

[nocturne dust]

You're giving up so much just to make BB remotely viable for any purpose

[haughty star]

Not really

Just bb and it's side perk lol

[nocturne dust]

and the BB build agent is talking about has purgatus anyway

which will do the monster damage anyway

[nocturne dust]

and EP

[haughty star]

Dd does fine

[nocturne dust]

and btw, Agent was still losing to not using it

[haughty star]

Who said shit about agent lol

I don't even like him

[nocturne dust]

Lol, where's your testing?

[haughty star]

Your testing isn't in a real game

Not real

[nocturne dust]

The issue with real game testing is there are too many conflating variables

[haughty star]

And bb removes literally almost all of those variables

Bb is almost as consistent in game as it is vs a monster standing still lol

[nocturne dust]

You would need to have a large sample size for consistency and average the results

or mode them

but that takes time and work

and this is a video game

[nocturne dust]

It really doesn't.

[haughty star]

Yes it does

You can literally constantly cast it in game

[plucky flax]

BB is good for taking flayer.

[haughty star]

Just dodge better

[nocturne dust]

No, because other players exist.

and interfering specialists/elites.

[haughty star]

Now we're just splitting hairs

[summer prairie]

instead of doing these time based tests, you should be killing sedition bosses and looking at dps, easier to compare

[nocturne dust]

No? These are actually variables that matter

[haughty star]

Variables that affect bb

Specialists

[nocturne dust]

and elites, and the horde

[haughty star]

Variables that affects other methods. The monster, and also specialists

[plucky flax]

My highest monsters damage with my killer build so far.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but BB doesn't deal with all those other variables at the same time, purgatus does

Like, in a real match, BB loses.

hard.

[haughty star]

Nah

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, alright.

[haughty star]

You just trash with it

[nocturne dust]

Uh huh.

[plucky flax]

524 friendly damage? :

[haughty star]

How do you even do friendly damage?

[nocturne dust]

You know, you could just accept the other point of view sometimes. It wouldn't kill you.

[summer prairie]

btw BB probably loses to +unyielding Surge staff if you are sitting on 6 stacks. Not against weakened bosses since those die before EP BB damage falls off

[plucky flax]

Shoot barrels.

[summer prairie]

and not if you are also doing SB

[nocturne dust]

It does lose to surge +unyield, I tested it while I was in the psykh

[haughty star]

Yours aren't point of views tho. You always act like your opinions are objective lol

[slate oasis]

new record for the highest level I've come across

[nocturne dust]

I literally just tested it

[haughty star]

In psyk vs a monster that isn't doing anything

[nocturne dust]

Objectively speaking, BB loses in terms of DPS.

[haughty star]

Yupp

[nocturne dust]

That is a literal fact.

[plucky flax]

In this 3 man round the zealot was 3340 level. He'd be higher by now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1QlK0BqYtw

Other psyker was 861 too.

Pretty high levels game overall.

[haughty star]

No left click ballspam

Must lmb

[plucky flax]

?

Play it if you want I don't like the build.

[haughty star]

Its just funny is all lol

[keen solar]

Highest I've seen was someone at like 5300

[nocturne dust]

Y'know your takes make so much more sense when I remember you're a macro lmb enjoyer

[summer prairie]

there really needs to be a mod for reordering your loadouts

[haughty star]

I'm usually using the assail build above as my main, but I do surge and bb double/bubblr shield too

[keen solar]

Would be nice

[haughty star]

The lmb is just for funsies and not as overpowered as people might think. To me it doesn't feel much more op than a smite ep or surge wc build

Its just braindead and hilarious cuz it makes people mad

[nocturne dust]

odd reasons to enjoy a build if ever there were ones

[haughty star]

I think alot of it is just the spammy nature of it

That makes people mad lol

I be sitting in the elevator spamming it on the floor and stuff lol. Just sensory overload

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it is also obnoxiously loud and bright

People complain about purgatus sometimes, and it's only bright/spammy

Being all 3 is quite devastating

[slate oasis]

good lord. I wonder how many hours they had

[nocturne dust]

Probably a low amount, there used to be a way to glitch/cheat xp

[prisma igloo]

Which is probably what they did to say "look at my level I'm better"

[nocturne dust]

Remember, level is just a number.

[prisma igloo]

Yeah it doesn't tell skill. Learned that on vermintide

[keen solar]

tbf, there have been exp bugs and there are the exp boosts n' stuff

I could power level but what's the point, I'm good enough y'know?

[prisma igloo]

Exactly

Plus if you can reliably do a T3 or even T4 at lvl 5 no point in worrying to hit lvl30

[orchid ibex]

@uncut sinew lmao thanks for that build. so much fun.

[uncut sinew]

you're welcome

[late sapphire]

skudie is the #1 or #2 legit highest level player iirc

There was apparently a way to glitch xp for some time which is why certain people are in the thousands

You can roughly see if a level is legit from playtime

[patent mango]

is this guy actually legit then?

cause thats crazy lmao

[thorn cedar]

Skudie is legit

Sometimes they poke their head in here

[patent mango]

zamn

[strange fox]

Fuckberrys i lost my gun psyker build to

why do they gotta do this ? why they gotta reset our builds 😦

[slate oasis]

this time it was because they added more nodes

so that reset the builds for whatever reason

[strange fox]

well back to trying to figure this out again.

[slate oasis]

I was in a similar situation. didn't play for like 6+ months and forgot what was good or bad, came back and all my builds were gone

[half iron]

force helbore

[radiant frigate]

no

[calm grail]

yey

[radiant frigate]

very beautiful, very powerful

[strange fox]

Do laz weapons still have a burn like trait ?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

infernus

[strange fox]

also is there a Best laz gun ?

cuz i remember a gimmick i was working on before i stopped playing for a while burn gun psyker

[radiant frigate]

they have slightly different purposes

but if you are just looking for burn, reconlas

[paper loom]

is there any way to speed up brain rupture?

with a talent or anything?

[strong gulch]

KR and EP

KR is a BB modifier and EP is the keystone

[paper loom]

sorry which one is KR?

ah i see it

ty il try that is EP worth using over warp siphon im using inferno staff

i have brain burst really for the chance on hit to do it

but its handy as a sniping tool

but im wondering if EP will also affect this?

[strong gulch]

If you wan to fully invest into BB, double wall EP is the way. Use purg with this.

I prefer creeping flames to shield tho. It let's you be overall more agressive,

[paper loom]

i will give it a try ty

is show stopper any good on flame staff btw?

[modest perch]

No it’s meme

[strong gulch]

bis is nexus and blazeaway with flak your pref (crit chance, unyielding)

[nocturne dust]

I prefer penetrating flames instead of nexus

because bosses must die

but yes, nexus and blazeaway is bis

[lament sapphire]

Brain burst is too slow

[fringe garden]

I just want Blazing Spirit on Illisi to make light attacks apply Soulblaze. Is that too much to ask?

I feel like that isn't too much to ask

[nocturne dust]

Yes

It's just meta to just not use it, ever. You might take Kinetic Flayer and rely entirely on staff or other stuff like that, but using BB is just 🤮

[lament sapphire]

And the zealots with their hammers and knives kill things so quickly

[nocturne dust]

You should be able to frustrate them with electrokinetic

[abstract totem]

But guys they reduced the time bb that one time obviously it’s not slow

[slate oasis]

I wish bb did something like passively accumulate charges and then you could instantly set them off

or just simply did way more damage for how fucking slow it is

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but don't you like the EP crutch where you have to dedicate significant portions of your build just to make BB function?

[fringe garden]

Or make it aoe brain burst

[strong gulch]

[paper loom]

sad thing is ive played Psyker since day 1 of Darktide just cant remeber the last time i used BB as its crap

[patent mango]

i've only used brainburst with double barrel equipped

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-travis-willingham-terminology-gif-17715280

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[slate oasis]

is it just my settings or does this map on ventilation purge look like a ps2 game for everyone?

[upper sun]

ye for me too

[jovial juniper]

Metal fab vent purge is the worst

Specially on the door after the first corruptor

Firefights there are hell

[blissful solar]

i think when the game looks like that it means the world lighting broke

[nocturne dust]

no, that's just a modifier

[green musk]

i think i look pretty good

[nocturne dust]

[young dune]

can someone explain how this works?

also what is the base crit rate on staves if there is one

[patent jacinth]

It basically doesn't

[young dune]

fantastic start

[patent jacinth]

It only really works on primary attacks or voidstrike secondaries

[proud pivot]

😭

[nocturne dust]

surge double shots on crit on lmb

or voidstrike rmbs specifically

[patent jacinth]

It just adds a second projectile

[young dune]

does that projectile come out of my face when the first crit connects or does it spawn on the hit target

[patent jacinth]

And you have to manually split the voidstrike balls or something

[nocturne dust]

It shoots a second projectile after a tiny delay, which is just enough time to change your aim between the projectiles if you're good but is really really hard

at least to do it well and consistently, especially when you don't know when it will crit

[young dune]

oh god. Then again I usually go for body shots with the staff since the primary tends to knock the target around

[nocturne dust]

I mean, in a dense group it's fine to just spam into it

[young dune]

thats very true.

[nocturne dust]

But I only use surge on voidstrike since I don't do the lmb spam build

[nocturne dust]

Psyker gets a base crit of 7.5%

[young dune]

and there is a lmb spam build? it seems... bad

[nocturne dust]

iirc

[nocturne dust]

It's not terrible. It's strong, in fact, just not stronger than any of the normal ways to use staves.

[young dune]

low damgae for the fire rate. Also why would a specific staff be better at it, they all have the same primary fire as far as I understand

[nocturne dust]

Electrokinetic is good at it because of the crit bonus stat on it

lmbs want crits

[young dune]

oh right yeah forgot about that

[nocturne dust]

especially because of surge also wanting crits

[fiery stratus]

Man, its hilarious when people get offended when given advice

A dude i was in a game with clutched granted, using knife. All he did was spam pba

All i said was this dude should try some combos, end of the world apparently lmao

Idk man, i dont get it. If someone tells me ways to improve i generally take it. Maybe i'm just an asshole.

[green island]

busted

you build for crits and you can just wipe hordes of elites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beev7erJCLc&t=843s ryken XIV has a build for it that i feel is very good ngl

[nocturne dust]

lmao

"You use X so you can't be good with Y" is certainly one of the takes a person can have.

[fiery stratus]

Idk, all i said is that he should try adding punch to his combo. And that heavy light did a horizontal sweep. He literally did almost nothing but pba for crusher heads and bulwarks. He literally was doing the same thing for trash horde

He couldnt even clear the trash fast enough because he was just pba

[quartz barn]

the real takeaway here is to just not play knife zealot and become a better human being

[fiery stratus]

Not every knife zealot is stealth

Stealths boring af

[fallen yacht]

Knife-Chorus zealot with CDR reduciton on crit is awsome

i like crusher tho

[fiery stratus]

I've been using knife chorus and momentum for a while, but i haven't played much zealot lately tbh

I want to like things like the crusher and heavy swords, but its either the feel isnt right for me, or I need it to pen armor better.

[fallen yacht]

Heavy swords I go blazing piety with mk IX. take headtaker/deathblow and become the Emporor's Blender

[fiery stratus]

Everything but carapace

[fallen yacht]

true

[fiery stratus]

Itll still 1shot with charge and whatnot

But i usually play with randoms a lot, so I have to be able to clutch a lot of times lmao

[indigo plank]

Modern gamers will hear, "Hey, you should take gunner resist instead of hound resist because if your homies have your back you'll never be pounced for long, if at all" and just spit back "Don't tell me how to play the game"

Like brother trust me I spend enough time with backseat gamers to have drafted that 6 times in my head to make it as inoffensive as possible

[austere warren]

Just go shroudfield thammer

[fiery stratus]

Not sure what the deal is with this game, people will get butthurt at the most innocuous advice lmfao

I guess people just don't want to think they're doing anything wrong

[ripe inlet]

is this good?

[fiery stratus]

Everything but modifiers can be changed so should be yes.

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Warp Resist as the dump stat, but mobility is fine

Also, I think one bruiser hit me last mission and it did like 125 damage. I am made of paper.

[ripe obsidian]

Also gunners do significantly more damage and exist in higher quantities than hounds, even on hunting grounds maps

[indigo plank]

Sadly it doesn't matter how many legitimate reasons you give them or how nice you are, they just take any criticism of their gameplay as a personal offense

[strong gulch]

There are a lot of fragile and immature players. I think some of the reactivity in this situation is "I didn't ask."; even if the advice would definitely help. It sets them immediately on the defensive.

[summer sand]

its because there is no tone of voice through text and the message got misconstrued, so the person on recieving end interprets it in a different way then you intended it. Im sure it would have been different convo face-to-face.

[strong gulch]

also that

The base assuption at this point is "worst reading of x" with no grace,

[fiery stratus]

That's probably part of it, but sometimes it's literally "stfu idgaf"

[summer sand]

yup basically. Im sure voice communication would have been better received. It's just human nature

[fiery stratus]

Nah I don't think so

This guy couldn't take advice or criticism tbh

[strong gulch]

I mean, also conditioning at this point too.

[fiery stratus]

He looked at my psyker and assumed that idk wtf I'm talking about because it's like level 90 lol

[ripe obsidian]

Gamers? Fragile and immature?

Surely you jest.

[strong gulch]

Surely

[green musk]

randoms cannot finish missions, i swear

[strong gulch]

Surely it's not me too. 😭

[prisma igloo]

Congratulations

[ripe obsidian]

Next you'll say GamerGate wasn't a level and considerate look at the role of women in the video game industry.

[fiery stratus]

The fact that I literally haven't used another zealot weapon, and my zealot is close to 500

[nocturne dust]

You are already the random

A fate worse than death

[fiery stratus]

Idk anything tho

[prisma igloo]

Yeahh that's almost any game tho lol

[strong gulch]

I'm so random lol

[fiery stratus]

I've had people take advice and actually be appreciative before. Just not the case most of the time it seems lol

[prisma igloo]

Brudda please master other weapons for zealot

[green musk]

all my solo queues with randoms today have failed

[fiery stratus]

I don't like them

I can use other weapons but I don't really like that many melees

[green musk]

im just tryna finish leveling

[ripe obsidian]

tbh the community of this game, at least at auric+, seems better than most online games I've played. That it's co-op instead of competitive probably helps.

[prisma igloo]

Be at peace with your inner completionist. I hate combat axe but I'll do it aswell

[fiery stratus]

Id like to use some of the weapons, but my biggest problem is they need to kill crushers and bulwarks fast and well. I play with randoms a lot so I end up needing carapace and boss damage

[strong gulch]

Question. Do you have any videos or whatnot on knife?

[prisma igloo]

Yeah. As per most pve games. The harder challenges usually have somewhat chiller people. Literally ran into someone trying to speedrun a lvl 2 (I started the game at the time and was learning maps)

[green musk]

@lethal lagoon you and tren doing anything fun there?

[prisma igloo]

Bro was lvl 20 just do a T3 mission my guy even I can solo those.

[fiery stratus]

Nah, I don't do any demos or anything. Pretty much the only clips I record are the anus clenching ones lmao

[prisma igloo]

Understandable

[strong gulch]

Lmao.

[ripe obsidian]

I guess most people at Auric have the gear and progression done, so there's no real need for resources or exp. Same as Cataclysm in VT2. People in Legend could get salty about books since they were farming reds, but most people in Cataclysm were maxed out.

[fiery stratus]

If anyone wants advice on knife use i can give a wee bit, but I'm sure there's people better.

[prisma igloo]

Yup. Hince why I also prefer cata anyway. Plus bigger challenge and its more fun.

[ripe obsidian]

I think @flat nexus is about as knify as they come.

[strong gulch]

I'm open to advice. I really enjoy knife, but I can't use it a whole bunch because of my hands. So extensive experimentation is out of the question.

[fiery stratus]

Yeah I understand that it takes a lot of dexterity depending how you play.

I do punch and light attack follow up pretty much constantly

That almost always follows with a stab, and if you have scourge, the punch can apply bleed, and give good crit chance

I'll mix in pba but I generally save it for dogs specials ect

[ripe obsidian]

Would the FullAuto or KeepSwinging mods help?

[fiery stratus]

Ragers too

[prisma igloo]

My only help I can give is.. choose comfy keybinds. All mine are wasd and bottom row above space.

But you probably have more pc time than me so

[fiery stratus]

But tbh if you can get the timing down on the punch, it's god tier vs anything not nurgle blessed.

Also if you do punch, light, then heavy, it'll do a horizontal sweep

[prisma igloo]

Depending on mark yes?

[fiery stratus]

I do that a lot for horde clear, as well as mixing heavy light loop, which is all horizontal with the 6

Yeah should have specified that's for the 6

The 3 obviously will still default to the downward

[prisma igloo]

I enjoy mark 3 knife actually

[fiery stratus]

I use it too, not as much as the 6 but I like it a lot. Tbh for that one I do the same, repeat punch, light follow up. But I don't use heavy light combo generally, that one it's just a repeated double stab

[prisma igloo]

Terrible CC but I can punch through armor while still taking out trash with my range. (Which is assail and lightning staff)

[fiery stratus]

The cc is worse than the 6 for sure, but tbh if you have uncanny or something, it'll 1shot most trash with lights to the dome

[prisma igloo]

Yup

[strong gulch]

Thank for the rec. I use the full auto mod yes. Keep swinging for some reason messes with my head. It scrambles my brain. lmao

I should look into it again.

[ripe obsidian]

Of course. It's a shame the game doesn't have that kind of accessibility option built in.

[fiery stratus]

I have my punch on my side mouse button, once you get the rhythm down you can rely on that alot. I save a lot of stamina lol

[prisma igloo]

Ok so it has good stagger. Need to keep that in mind..

[strong gulch]

Thanks and I agree about keybinds that work for you. I have them set up as comfy as possible, but reassessing is good.

[fiery stratus]

It'll stagger everything unless it's nurgle blessed or monsterous

Well

Not mutants I guess

[strong gulch]

Thanks @fiery stratus for taking the time to share knife things.

[fiery stratus]

No now you need to tell me to fuck off

Proper dt player

[prisma igloo]

I always think of new ways. Just today I'm gonna switch my melee and range to 4 and 5 so I can switch with middle finger.

[strong gulch]

Sorry an alarm or timer is beeping.

[prisma igloo]

Well... I've had perfect moments where I stun mutants

[fiery stratus]

Maybe it will, I just never tried tbh. They normally get it in the head during the charge, or I'll just wait for them to stop

[prisma igloo]

If you rev evicerator you can stun them with heavy. Atleast from what I did but I did dodge at first might've hit something

[fiery stratus]

Icic. Another fantastic weapon I don't use because of feel lol

Idk why but the chain weapons just don't feel that good to me

[prisma igloo]

O yeah they're terrible tbh good cc and heavy kills but once again the activate is cancelled on getting hit and blocking etc.

[strong gulch]

I like the chainaxe, BUT in animation interrupts make me angy.

[green musk]

would anyone like to play?
the zealots ignored me.

[prisma igloo]

Why the activate weapons suck

[prisma igloo]

Sure. I'm terrible and not lvl 30 so warning. Just booting things up so.

[fiery stratus]

I don't even mind the stunlock tbh, I've used the mk7 shovel a good bit and it has a pretty substantial window. Idk, all the chain weapons just feel weird to me, it feels like glances off instead of really doing anything

Just personal preference

[green musk]

im trying to finish leveling.

[prisma igloo]

If you're not interested in below lvl 30 play then its fine

[austere warren]

I don't mind playing.

[broken carbon]

lmfao

if u want

ill play a match or two

but

i only play aurics really

[prisma igloo]

4 stack aha

[prisma igloo]

Dang

[green musk]

strike 76

[broken carbon]

otay but i dont talk

[green musk]

yee

[prisma igloo]

Launching game now 🙂

[green musk]

if kery joins, we are full

[prisma igloo]

O oki alls good

O wait I'm possibly dumb. You have 4th or no? I join if not if so alls good

[broken carbon]

ur join code isnt working

[broken carbon]

can u just invite me

my fs code is in my nickname

thx

[nocturne dust]

I use KeepSwinging as an on-hold thing, that helps

if it's a toggle it'll definitely do weird stuff

[ripe inlet]

does that also apply to staves?

[nocturne dust]

warp res is a dump stat on every staff, yes

Only voidstrike has an alternative, blast radius

[ripe obsidian]

Does anyone else have issues with crushers or maulers overheading the spot you were a second ago, but you take damage anyway? Like, I just got bopped by a crusher that smacked 3 feet to my left

[subtle harness]

anyone have a fun illisi crit / burn oriented build

ideally using blazing spirit and the right side of the tree

[nocturne dust]

Yep, they have absurd tracking/hitscan weirdness

You have to dodge late

[modest perch]

Also lag

[nocturne dust]

that too

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, just making sure I'm not insane.

That was a super frustrating down. Like, if I screw up and get bopped, sure, I deserved it.

[pliant tendon]

i made a voidblast staff with 5% warp res and ngl it sucks so bad

[ripe obsidian]

But successfully dodging and still being bonked is annoying

[nocturne dust]

Well don't dump it that hard

[ripe obsidian]

This is too much dump

[nocturne dust]

It's a dump stat meaning it should be 60% while every other stat is 80%

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah, those overheads are a time. Dodging backwards vs dodging to the side.

[modest perch]

Their aoe is massive and whacky

[strong gulch]

ye

[modest perch]

On my ogryn I lowkey prefer to get all up in their grill so my whole fov is kinda glitching through them a lil

[ripe obsidian]

Unless I am misremembering, you could block Chaos Warriors in VT2, but it would eat your stamina and stagger you

[modest perch]

Then the hits don’t land

Cus why would they wanna hit themselves

[nocturne dust]

You can block overheads here with shield and parry, but that's it

which is dumb

[strong gulch]

Ye. Crusher overheads (and some other enemies) bypass block and eat your hp.

[ripe obsidian]

Crushers and Maulers. Not sure anything else

[nocturne dust]

They shouldn't tho

[ripe obsidian]

Both of which were blockable in VT2

[modest perch]

Ideally you should be staggering them with something before they get the hit off

[nocturne dust]

any overhead attack

[ripe obsidian]

What other enemies have overheads?

[strong gulch]

Plague ogryn overhead too

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[broken carbon]

pawesome

mk3 evis is fun

[strong gulch]

That one does seem more fair to not be able to block tho lol

[nocturne dust]

Begone from psyker chat, shouty

[modest perch]

Yea get outta here ! Our sins are contagious

[broken carbon]

@green musk its a bug

its left over from when electro was gonna get another

whats it called

blessing

@green musk https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iY1R0s0p3Dz5eJOw2?invite=cr-MSxKYnEsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

rip

i can remove the audio if youd like

[prisma igloo]

Dang

[prisma igloo]

Yeah but if im not mistaken youd still only take reduced dmg

[green musk]

just fell over dead

[prisma igloo]

Ao still better to dodge

[broken carbon]

they should

[nocturne dust]

No

Bad, blocking should be better

[broken carbon]

blocking should have block break stun removed

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iY0Ll6FDTeGmRDTax?invite=cr-MSx6bXksMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

because of this

but

overheads should not be something u can block with all weapons

[nocturne dust]

No, they should be and you just keep the stun for them specifically

unless shield

or parry

[broken carbon]

no !

[nocturne dust]

or deflector which should also count

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[broken carbon]

no !

[nocturne dust]

The answer to everything should not be 'dodge'

[broken carbon]

ok voidstrike feet shooter

:3

[broken carbon]

i do think ragers should take much less stamina to block

[nocturne dust]

ok blunt

[broken carbon]

to be more in line with vt2

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

and ragers should have longer downtime between combos

[modest perch]

They just buffed ragers a couple patches ago

I doubt that we’ll see a reversal of that anytime soon

[nocturne dust]

I mean yes, but it was done poorly

[buoyant maple]

They kind of do
But block sucks in general in this game

They do deal less stamina damage compared to most other melee attacks

[broken carbon]

@green musk thats my last

baiii

good luck

[green musk]

goodnight

[broken carbon]

if u want any of my zealot builds u can ask

[green musk]

okai

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hearties-abigail-wcth-when-calls-the-heart-your-opinion-is-noted-gif-16933713

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/noob-blocked-thumbs-down-emoji-gif-27142977

[green musk]

imma do middle bottom tree instead, pure dmg

[nocturne dust]

well uh

don't do that middle purple node tho

it's kinda useless

[broken carbon]

take the right node

[ornate hamlet]

bro said pure damage and then picked not-damage

skull emoji

https://tenor.com/view/snail-cucumber-snail-eating-cucumber-snail-cucumber-funny-gif-25870918

[primal plume]

Yeah, the guaranteed proc on EP is really nice

[green musk]

i am. i got 2 left

[nocturne dust]

It'd be nicer if it worked for specials.

[prisma igloo]

How so?

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

u don’t need the toughness

[green musk]

i fuckin do

[broken carbon]

and you’ll be killing with warp attacks when u use ur blitz

[nocturne dust]

It's 15% toughness when you use your blitz with EP which is... 3 stacks.

[broken carbon]

so you’ll proc soulstealer

it’s ok on assail EP

[nocturne dust]

Smite and BB don't use stacks that quickly

[broken carbon]

as you’ll kill elite packs and gen a shit ton of toughness

but it’s not really needed, as again, soulstealer exists

[nocturne dust]

and only assail does, but assail eats through the stacks and then you're out of stacks

[broken carbon]

yerp

[nocturne dust]

and if you compare it to soulstealer....

[broken carbon]

DD assail is better than EP assail imo

[nocturne dust]

well, no real contest

[broken carbon]

especially with the addition of

warp splitter

[nocturne dust]

I mean for full assail, no, but for any build where you aren't specifically maxxing assail, I agree

[ripe obsidian]

We did not win.

[broken carbon]

ur just repeating everything i said in different words

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-growl-snarl-girlwolf-shewolf-gif-9942770988235712676

[nocturne dust]

I didn't say I disagreed with you

[prisma igloo]

My zealot is finally lvl 30

[prisma igloo]

Tru

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-big-dog-pet-smile-cute-gif-17416133

[broken carbon]

awwww

wolps

r so cute

[prisma igloo]

It'd be better if it was a larger amount or something

[broken carbon]

if i were to change my profile it would be makin it wolp themed

[prisma igloo]

Depending on length or overall dmg from 1 use

[nocturne dust]

Eh, part of the issue is the inconsistency of it

[nocturne dust]

Like, soulstealer is just on-demand toughness

Same for quietude

[broken carbon]

not really

it’s just more, toughness when u do what ur meant to do

[nocturne dust]

The only reason warp expenditure isn't the same is because it's just tiny amounts of toughness

[broken carbon]

soulstealer

is toughness on warp kill right

[nocturne dust]

I mean, killing treash is pretty on demand

[broken carbon]

fair

[nocturne dust]

Like, the only thing more on demand is on-hit stuff and peril gen/quell

[haughty star]

ok nerds

how do

voidblast

[nocturne dust]

Take purgatus build

done

[haughty star]

no

[nocturne dust]

but switch staff for trauma

[haughty star]

ohh

[nocturne dust]

It's pretty much the same build

Like, the only thing I change is I use psychic vampire for trauma iirc

[haughty star]

blast is the ball one no?

[nocturne dust]

no

[broken carbon]

that’s strike

[nocturne dust]

blast is trauma

[broken carbon]

like

[haughty star]

oh balls

[broken carbon]

bowling

[haughty star]

ffs

[nocturne dust]

Strike is bowling balls

[broken carbon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994780197440196728/1224218771846201414/twitter_ShootaShootaCat_20240331-231304_1774575671659954442_gif.gif

[nocturne dust]

Waiting for voidsuck that is a blackhole staff

[haughty star]

the icons are so misleading lol i hate these name changes

[nocturne dust]

I want a blackhole staff

Fatshark plz

[haughty star]

will voidsucc still work with wr as a dumpstat?

[nocturne dust]

Probably

I hate to think how problematic it would be if WR wasn't the dump

[haughty star]

arggghhhh

[strong gulch]

I started typing trauma things... now I just delete because wrong void. Thanks fatshark.

[haughty star]

arghhhh

i bought the wrong one of each lol potato don't feel bad

bought a "blast" with less radius and a succ with less res

[nocturne dust]

I mean do you want the crack voidstrike build for fun or the meta voidstrike build which is just the same as every staff and is shriek

[strong gulch]

I upgraded the wrong void like 3 times before I finally got the "right" one.

[haughty star]

i've never used voidsucc

strike

[nocturne dust]

💀

[haughty star]

like

not once.

ever

[nocturne dust]

The staff that doesn't exist is now in the ring

[strong gulch]

I almost hope thay give a new staff and call it voidsucc or void___ to really make us confused.

[nocturne dust]

This is the less meta build

It's not that bad, really, it's actually fine, it's just hard to beat shriek

[haughty star]

praise be

wait

[broken carbon]

rename infernus to voidburn

[nocturne dust]

Actually

[nocturne dust]

About that

[broken carbon]

electro to voidshock

[nocturne dust]

Blast radius is the dump on voidstrike

[haughty star]

yee ik

i hate this game

i just figured with er it shouldn't be bad. you can run it like surge with WS right?

[nocturne dust]

You could also dump ER and gain 4 points to spend to get PC and Psykinetics (especially if you don't like assail)

and then drop battle meditation

[prisma igloo]

Bru hahah

[nocturne dust]

but ER is very helpful on a staff + scrier's build

because peril gen is a big issue

[strong gulch]

voidshock

[nocturne dust]

You can, yeah, that's the meta build

but it plays like worse surge which is why I find it unfun 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

no its gotta be voidburst or some shit

something equally confusing

tbh not even sure how i got mastery 3 on this even from before

[strong gulch]

I think that's my problem with the meta voidstrike build. It feels slow and I have to actually aim when surge is just vibing.

[haughty star]

all i ever knew was surge

i hate this game

[nocturne dust]

ye

[haughty star]

wait does surge work on the secondary for voidstrike?

[nocturne dust]

It's not using the balls for the balls, it's just using it like EK but slow

[nocturne dust]

Yes

That's necessary for the non-meta build

surge and nexus

[haughty star]

what is the "meta" kit for it?

[analog agate]

Have. You not known this?

[nocturne dust]

The meta build is just typical warp siphon + shriek + PC

[haughty star]

refer to the part where i said i've literally never played the staff

tried it once leveling, hated it. never touched it again

[analog agate]

You have been around here for a bit though. Surprised you haven’t seen it in convos

[nocturne dust]

lmao, voidstrike was the only staff I liked while levelling

[haughty star]

i don't like any leveling psyker

guns with assail, psyker easy mode

[nocturne dust]