Builds for Space Wizards

[silk zinc]

Yeah, too lazy to mic though

[languid sleet]

yaya

im on, inv whenever, ign is harold

[languid sleet]

is this auric

[silk zinc]

auric mael ye

[languid sleet]

sick

[spice dagger]

I gave you very clear logic as to why inner tranquillity isn't worth it with ER

And KF isn't worth it even with the changes

[wooden notch]

Tranq is for more staff spamming. KF is for extra dmg here or there. I don’t need any extra toughness regen or protection with this build. This is for staff play with venting too. This is not a venting build with some staff.

tranq gets me 5.5 full blasts at high peril and no tranq gets me 3.5

venting takes me down to around 57%. By the time I get to 90-something% my venting is up again and I could vent again if I wanted to ALL THE WHILE doing more dmg

Because less time quelling and more time blasting

[wooden notch]

Critize all you want. But this build gets it done

[languid sleet]

Avg blaze trauma game while I’m on my phone the whole time

[wooden notch]

Been switching between both builds. The one I posted is definitely a more "solo" comfy build because you are able to deal with everything, and with elites/specials better. BUT you use your staff more so it is not living for the F. Traditional is still amazing (meta is meta afterall) and is insane horde/shooter clear but I wasn't as comfy with special after special spawning at me

Definitely playstyle dependent

[languid sleet]

Wdym by “use the staff more” bc even on spam f. Pressing F doesn’t interrupt charging or cast animation and you very rarely need to pull melee out

[wooden notch]

So yeah, I will edit in my description that this is a different kind of playstyle

And fyi, I have you blocked tren so won’t be responding to you any longer.

[languid sleet]

I had a genuine question

lol

[spice dagger]

Dude tren hasn't said anything REMOTELY worth a block in this chat. He wasn't trolling he was just discussing your build.

[languid sleet]

I get where hes coming from in how i worded things but i didnt really mean anything disrespectfully

[spice dagger]

You were super mild and just talking the way we all do haha

[sullen breach]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1f957d-21ee-4acd-b67b-37229ae07fa3/bubble-and-smite-support?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Any suggestions on this build that I am currently running as my main?

[blazing wave]

maybe run a rending shockwave trauma staff with empyric resolve node? unless ya just like voidstaff

you would probably need to drop puppet master

and a melee weapon that can do some boss damage. staff already does horde clear

[sullen breach]

my problem with the trauma staff is that it can't really deal with range enemies effectively unlike the voidstaff.

I'm also a bit uncertain about taking empyric resolve, like is the trade off worth it?

Maybe the deimos force sword for boss damage? I know the Duel swords are always popular, but I like the force swords a bit better

I also like puppet master because of how much everyone is running around all over the place

[blazing wave]

yeah you'd only have trauma left click for ranged. bubble helps with that tho.

i think ER is worth it in some builds. i think it could work well with your build since you wanna be casting with your staff more and you dont have shriek to vent

deimos probably slightly better then illisi for boss damage

[sullen breach]

aye, I will play around with it and see how I feel about it. I think the bubble also helps with ER with the toughness

[sullen breach]

thanks for the suggestions btw

[spice dagger]

Swap out warp expenditure for perfect timing or warp battery. Warp expenditure really isn't that effective.

[finite lake]

Hey guys, any good build for surge staff + illisi?

[spice dagger]

Something like this

[blazing wave]

No keystone gunker build I'm trying.

Ds4, knife, or force sword primary.

Revolver or w.e ranged you wanna use.

Pop an elite or two with assail to build peril and get perilous combustion rolling then shriek toward enemy.

[silk zinc]

Man, you just refuse to get %6 peril gen on stack.

There is literally no reason to get +1 jump on a Surge build

[spice dagger]

Yeah that's a my bad

Acceptable on surge

[silk zinc]

You were arguing with someone about that earlier right?

That the 6% stack thing is pointless now

[spice dagger]

On other staffs its unnecessary

[silk zinc]

Purg 100% unneeded for sure

Voidstrike... probably.

Trauma I dunno.

[spice dagger]

Voidstrike needs the peril for shriek

And so does trauma imo

[silk zinc]

[spice dagger]

If you're at 6 warp charges and 0 peril it takes like six years to get to 85%

[silk zinc]

But now we are talking optimal DPS versus optimal playstyle for victory

[marble bison]

Turns out that no Psyker build really needs Empyric Resolve

[silk zinc]

Actual heresy

Mods ban plz

[marble bison]

Well, OK, maybe a build that doesn't run Shriek might want it, but even then having good peril gen is cool for Warp Rider

[spice dagger]

Bruh if u need 60% peril reduction you're probably not going to survive when you do have to quell

[marble bison]

But I played a build with ER today and I was so uncomfortable with having to work so hard to generate peril 🥵

[silk zinc]

That's the secret captain, I have 3 wounds.

I don't need to survive

[spice dagger]

I like it on blaze trauma, let's me edge more consistently

[marble bison]

Maybe I should have taken Illisi that time

It would have been less painful

(I took the Combat blade)

[marble bison]

I suppose that time will tell whether the node is good. It enables much a lot more streamlined staff play, I'll give it that much, but it does feel like a node with offsetting qualities

which is good

the game should have more of those

but instead we get garbage like the buffed Unlucky for Some

[languid sleet]

No one is able to lean into ER like that one guy that got sensitive and blocked me

[spice dagger]

Yeah I think there's a good chance it will be recommended almost never to run it in a month or two

We've got post-patch hubris atm, thinking we're Gods that don't need no toughness regen

[spice dagger]

Also gross, never

[spice dagger]

I also think the opposing talent (rending at high peril) being kinda garbage is pushing people into ER a bit

[marble bison]

Yeah, while being at 75 or above Peril isn't exactly a steep requirement, 10% rending for... attacks that typically already have good ADMs is only really benefitting what, Illisi without stacked US and maybe Inferno staff

And I suppose Soulblaze against Carapace, but you're below 75 and it's gone

[spice dagger]

Assail too, but yeah I totally agree it's just super unimpactful

[blazing wave]

id say its decent.

went with illisi to help keep peril up and revolver for crushers. mostly assail spam and vent for hordes

boss damage is lacking

[molten marsh]

What's the best way to share a build for feedback?

[languid sleet]

Her or in psyker chat

[molten marsh]

Right—I guess I'm more asking what the best way is. I previously used the gameslantern character builder, but that seems to be down right now.

[blazing wave]

gameslantern or just take a screen shot of build. takes like 3 to show everything unless you have the smaller talent tree mod

[molten marsh]

Bother. Screenshots it is. Thank you!

How can I improve this? Running purg. I like the idea of Scrier's Gaze, but in practice I think Shriek is better in every situation. Nevermind the dome.

Also, going dome or shriek means I can pick up Wildfire.

[blazing wave]

maybe swap this one out for the rending one above 75% peril. purge staff doesnt build up peril super fast

also unless they patched it i thought* purge staff would still blow up with warp unbound

[molten marsh]

The idea was less to reduce purge peril than scrier's peril. Make it easier to hit high stacks.

I'd love to take the other one too, but I ran out of points lol.

[eager patio]

is there any flamerstaff build online?

[vale hound]

No perfect timing is wild

[spice dagger]

I've been running this

Maximum crit

[blazing wave]

yeah i gotta drop the brain burst thing or kinetic deflection

[storm adder]

Assail alone i would take dd or ep for

[blazing wave]

dd for sure would be good. just need to drop the melee nodes in the middle right.

ep wouldn't work for this build since ya wanna be spamming shards for more peril.

[storm adder]

Since EP is a free shard in both ammo and peril cost, it doesn’t hurt your peril gen, since assail gets thrown out extremely fast

True aim is also a pretty nice node

[sage grove]

Whats the best space wizard build

[neat current]

one that kills stuff more gooder

[sage grove]

dueling sword and electric staff build perchance?

[sage grove]

got a build for those?

[neat current]

nah man im bad at psyker now

i used to run mk4 dueling sword with voidstrike but that got me bodied in a mission so i play zealot for now

if you google "darktide builds" top result is usually from "Games Lantern" where a lot of ppl host builds that they post here, I recommend taking a look at that and see if one catches your eye. Obv I would look for one updated since the Unlocked and Loaded patch came out so be sure to check when it was updated. (I mean this in the least snarky way possible btw I'm genuinely trying to be helpful)

[spice dagger]

classic surge build

[hallow kindle]

Which blessings should i use on nomanus staff?

[languid sleet]

which one

nvm im stupid

use nexus and flurry

[hallow kindle]

Thanks

[sage grove]

thanks you absolute legend

much appreciated

[short quartz]

hey yall anyone have a recommended build for gunsyker with assali? using the bolt gun

[short quartz]

this is my current build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d271517-fdc6-4025-afce-eab960ecb406

[blazing wave]

@short quartz havent used the bolt gun but should work fine. you always wanna take the venting shriek thingy that gives soulblaze the 100-200 damage is poopoo

or like this if wanna use a keystone

[short quartz]

Ahh ok also what would recommend for melee and curiosities

[blazing wave]

read da message i linked for weapons. curios are 1 stam 2 toughness

[storm adder]

Get the 100% cleave node and get true aim instead of peril reload

You can give up the toughness node for peril quelled and put it in 100% cleave instead

Peril reload on a bolt is pretty bad

Good with shotguns or revolvers

[blazing wave]

No

[storm adder]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

100% cleave is huge for both bolts and assail

[spice dagger]

Some people just don't want to make their builds better 🤷‍♂️

[blazing wave]

Yeah I was half asleep when I replied.

I like the peril reload for helping build peril with revolver. And 100% cleave doesn't seem super necessary when I have assail and shriek to screen clear already. Haven't played with bolt pistol so maybe it is good with it.

[wary ember]

any updated blaze trauma builds

[vagrant loom]

Anyone got the default venting shriek voidstrike build with warp flurry?

[vale hound]

I use this

[finite lake]

Does anyone have a build for lmb surge? It's something different, maybe even fun

The spam left click I mean

Not sure if it's a scryer's build?

[hallow kindle]

Which attacks are "warp attacks"?

[blazing wave]

Staff attacks, all the blits, and force sword specials.

[wary ember]

souldrinker not worth?

[marble bison]

Souldrinker is an expensive commodity

[vale hound]

No too far on the right

[scenic light]

Min maxed version with optimal stats and explaning how to use it, I went with bubble but you can easily swap this to get vent with creeping flames

https://youtu.be/orJSyVui3YE

[scenic light]

Anything that generates peril and deals damage and Soulblaze effect

[scenic light]

Video coming out in 2 hours

[languid sleet]

Why not left node of warp siphon the one that gives charges on kills

[hallow kindle]

Any full soulblaze build?

[molten marsh]

Can I get a vibe check on this, as opposed to venting shriek? Running inferno staff.

I want to run Assail, but Wildfire feels way too good to pass up. Unfortunately.

Also considering swapping to DD.

[blazing wave]

maybe something like this if you wanna run assail. wildfire is good but its not dont play the blitz you want good

i have not played with DD on an inferno staff build but it would def be good with assail and a ds4

[molten marsh]

See I feel like wildfire is worth going BB because I feel like it's really good with inferno.

Spray & pray and walk away. Between wildfire & Perilous Combustion, everything just dies.

[molten marsh]

How about this?

[blazing wave]

i prefer the right node for DD. stacks fall away too fast unless youre a god gamer

[blazing wave]

its def worth it but its not the end all be all for nodes.

[molten marsh]

Yep getting that impression right now 😄

25 stacks is amazing but I'm yet to break 10.

[molten marsh]

Yeah anyway I feel like DD/scriers are the best ability & keystone, but I've yet to find a build that really makes them shine 🙂

I wonder if it would be better with a zap staff…

[spice dagger]

Gun Psyker is your friend

The staves don't benefit as much from scriers in particualr

[molten marsh]

But then I'd have to use a gun lol.

[spice dagger]

Trust me, it's very fun

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2b3fdb-a7b0-4eda-856e-87229aac49a0/burn-gunker

[molten marsh]

Hmm… I'll consider it.

[vale hound]

I find vampire more consistent for it. Only play in fire reborn with burga

[languid sleet]

What’s burga

[vale hound]

Something tasty

[languid sleet]

I want burga

I like tasty

[vale hound]

https://tenor.com/view/com-yep-gif-25120277

[languid sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/pool-prank-children-plash-push-gif-17659997

[vagrant loom]

I’m using this build but with Columnus xd, it’s fun af but I feel so much more vulnerable against hordes or ragers🤣🤣

[vagrant loom]

Thank you!

[spice dagger]

Assail can be good for helping against ragers, staggers them out of their attack chains

[scenic light]

I think you can swap the crit chance perk from recon lasgun to a armour type boost. The crit strings shoot so many bullets that true aim almost procs back to back, 5% crit chance is pretty much nothing when the crit rate is that high.

[spice dagger]

Isn't the crit string only two? (I haven't actually tested that its just a vague memory).

True aim is also just not at all consistent with my accuracy. I'm very lucky to hit 20% ranged weakspot rate, and it's often more like 10%. And that's with assail presumably supplementing the number. I shudder to think what my actual weakspot rate is. Too many hand injuries in my youth.

Those two points considered, I like the 5% crit for mettle, TTS and most importantly burn procs. Going from 17.5%>22.5% when out of scriers is significant.

I do switch it to unyielding when it's a monstrous specials maelstrom, though. No other armour modifier is worth it imo.

But you may well be right. I should run some games without assail. If I can get a few decent sample sizes of ranged damage at various weakspot rates I should be able to see what difference in crit rate that 5% is actually causing.

[marble bison]

Crit string should be 2 on all Recons, yerp

[fresh turtle]

I'm kinda hammered and just launched DarkTide after the update. Anyone have a good voidstrike staff build they can share?

[languid sleet]

Perk- flak unyielding
Blessings- nexus flurry

Oof I don’t have a pic of the tree tho sry

[fresh turtle]

All good. I kinda of threw it together from what I remember being good.

It seems pretty similar.

[storm adder]

No surge?

[languid sleet]

FUCK I get confused with new names

[storm adder]

Voidstrike is renamed void staff

I think surge is the only staff that wants flurry nexus now

[languid sleet]

I’m too drunk to remember

I think it’s cuz they all use nexus

So I forget

[scenic light]

Incorrect, Electro wants surge nexus for blessings and LMB for the win

Void is the only staff you can run flurry with since you can min max with the quelling. Another option to build for void is surge nexus.

For trauma blazing spirit nexus is the way to go and for purge you want blaze away nexus

[vale hound]

It's not incorrect if you want to play right click surge?

[scenic light]

Why would you play rmb surge tho

You only rmb crushers, bulwark and monstrosities

[vale hound]

Faster peril build more creeping flames.

[scenic light]

Everything else dies faster with LMB even if you miss your shots a bit

[vale hound]

Easier to play.

[scenic light]

Skill issue

[vale hound]

Yes.

I am veri noob.

[spice dagger]

It's a projectile. You'd have to be an absolute GOAT for it to be optimal to never use rmb for anything but those targets. Enemies move, you as a player move... it seems a little like you assume way higher accuracy rates when making recommendations than people actually have (eg true aim you seem to assume 100% headshot accuracy when discussing it)

I'm really curious to know what headshot rate you hit with recons to justify claiming crit chance does pretty much nothing because of true aim

[marble bison]

non-Inferno LMB staves don't have terrible ADMs all things considered, but RMB of Surge still has merit due to 1) CC, 2) you don't really have to pay attention to murderizing the target you cast it at and as Agent has mentioned, 3) Peril build-up

(damage in order should be, I think, regular/weakspot/critical/critical weakspot)

I'm interested in trying to put Surge/Nexus Ekinetic to good use, though

[storm adder]

Because that’s the primary feature of the staff and if i wanted to lmb id take void still anyways

Just because fatshark fucked up staff lmb again doesn’t mean it won’t be fixed again either

Staff lmb is supposed to be a fall back not your primary weapon

[scenic light]

LMB CCs everything but crushers, bulwarks and mutants, you don't need peril build up since that will be done with EP Smite

And the suppression on it is wild

[scenic light]

For things where the headshots matter, their heads are bigger and easier to hit. You don't need a 100% tick rate to get value from true aim. For recon the value of true aim is ro proc inferno which is only good against beefier targets. Smaller targets get shredded even without inferno.

[warm rain]

anyone got a build they like for shotgunning?

[scenic light]

This was the case but isn't anymore since surge is available for Electro staff. The LMB has a lot better DPS against all but Crushers, Bulwarks and Monstrosities than the RMB even if you don't land all your shots.

You can use a quick charge RMB to stop a dog etc and quickly end them with LMB and you can use your whole kit effectively. With flurry you are kind of forced to use RMB fire all the time which is slow and only targets two enemies.

[storm adder]

I'm not playing for something that is prob going to get fixed again

like no offense but i'm using rmb surge as the example of a staff that would want nexus flurry, lmb spam can be done on 3 different staffs and imo void is the only one that benefits on both lmb and rmb

like what if grenade gauntlet got buffed and now there is basically no reason to ever swap to melee and you only use nades for sniping specials cause you want to save ammo for the explosive punch

[scenic light]

Void blast radius does nothing for LMB, where as Electro crit damage roll gives also extra crit chance. Together with nexus this is around 50% crit chance when at around 50% peril, which is very easy to maintain.

[storm adder]

i see

i will admit I didn't know that because fatshark is inconsistent on modifier scores between lmb and rmb in the past

[scenic light]

A surge nexus build that mixes LMB and RMB is very possible and viable for void, but you need scrier's gaze with 4 warp charges to maintain a 50% ish crit chance

Electro staff is free to pick up creeping flames instead

[storm adder]

wouldn't you still want scriers for the various damage boosts and the fact lmbs don't generate a lot of peril?

plus i imagine crit chance aura is better than cdr for sure if you are solely building around lmbs, and elite damage is kinda meh, idk if it will help with a single bp

[scenic light]

No, because you still build peril well and with EP smite you can clear the whole room or interrupt the enemies so you can safely get your smite going

[scenic light]

I would use crit chance aura but can't afford it

Nevertheless, because of the extra elite damage its possible to kill crushers with two fully charged RMBs after debuffing it first with LMBs

[ancient marten]

unhinged assail / db build (1 talent point remaining)

rely on melee/true aim to proc man-stopper to initiate hordes

[scenic light]

Soulatealer is an obvious choice

Or quick shards

[spice dagger]

Quickshards is in the build.

[ancient marten]

i'm flip flopping between soulstealer and quietude

also i cant decide whether i hate or want peril reload

[silk zinc]

Be decisive.

[ancient marten]

need another 10 more games to get a feel for it

[manic ledge]

So electro staff became a left click spam machine?

When to use RMB?

[storm adder]

Crushers

[manic ledge]

bulwarks?

[storm adder]

Open them up

[manic ledge]

Tyvm

[storm adder]

Then back to lmb

[vale hound]

I still use it against everything.

[spice dagger]

Don't listen to the autists. It's not target specific and clean cut. It depends on the situation. Watch this is if you want to see a God tier player using surge lmb. He still uses rmb a shitload.

https://youtu.be/6Fy8SPod_y4?si=govlknljs58pCuiW

[manic ledge]

I'm now more interested in how clean his game graphics are looking. How the hell

Native and fxaa/TAA doesnt look that good

Sharpening or smth?

[silk zinc]

Speaking of pushing someone into the pool, I ran into a DH today and my first thought was "Where's Harold?"

Oh lmao, wrong channel, old message.

[languid sleet]

I’ll find the clip I have where I survived the DH for a solid like 2min

[jovial niche]

Hi folks, i got back to DT after quite long break. Any recommendations for good psyker build? I kinda don't have time to test everything after the patch.
Something for trauma/void/surge?

[raven verge]

I've been running that build with empowered psyonics and empyric resolve, love it. Let's you use empowered smite for a longer time than you could before, a good balance of damage and smite uptime

[jovial niche]

any link to the exact build? Psyker tree got updated i see

[raven verge]

mb, misread what you wrote a little, but I've been doing a smite/surge lightning build, maybe this can give you some ideas if that interests you

[raven verge]

accidentally had perilous assault on to test it, definitely do not use that perk lol

[jovial niche]

many thanks! 🙂

[raven verge]

np, wish you many zaps in future

[wooden notch]

Blaze blast and electro staff builds

[languid sleet]

have you tried out KF on electro yet

i had a lot of fun using it

[wooden notch]

I haven’t. What do you run for your melee? Illisi? I assume the build is essentially the blaze build

[languid sleet]

i do run ilissi

and yes

this is what ive run tho

i enjoy wildfire quite a bit tbh

[ancient marten]

You actually picked the downed talent

[languid sleet]

wut

[wooden notch]

You picked unlucky for some instead of one with the warp

[languid sleet]

lmao

i didnt even notice

oofies

[forest goblet]

Sup, anyone wanna help me refine this build? Not looking to completely min-max it, but I constantly switch around some points and can't decide what feels better.
Stuff like removing +15 toughness for the -5% peril, maybe Anticipation is still bugged so it's useless to have, maybe the build already has enough crit chance so I should switch from Prescience to Seers's Presence,...

Ah, seems I can't upload images here

Quite funny, seeing how I was here since the beta and idk when I got kicked out lol

[wooden notch]

You need to participate more so you get the “red” name

[forest goblet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d32dc8a-80de-4fb2-b982-d5a66fc1a61a/sword-y-gunpsyker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Sucks, because I did make a very nice collage for this and opening the website is probably annoying

And as for my playstyle, I generally use Smite to stun Ogryns/carapace/big groups I rather not solo; the laspistol to keep up Disrupt Destiny, headshot snipe enemies and bring down high HP enemies from range; the sword for basically everything else and sometimes those things too.

[wooden notch]

If you are using the illisi correctly (special charge and heavies) I would move middle toughness node to Warp Splitting. And then warp expenditure to perfect timing. If you are just light attacking with it/not charging it you can leave it

The other option is replacing expenditure with soul drinker

Warp expenditure is not a good talent for the most part

[forest goblet]

Yeah I just light/dodge all the time, I mostly keep myself to Heresy, so it's completely doable. Probably should have mentioned that

Okay removing Expenditure makes sense. I still special attack sometimes so Warp Splitting should work yeah. Will think about Souldrinker, I feel like the warpfires are mostly just usefull for maybe breakpoints, not killing anyone actually

Not sure about Perfect Timing tho, I actually would like to use it but as far as I understand Smite can't crit at all and I doubt the 3% damage increase is usefull at all for it. Or is it meant for the sword special, maybe just good enough for a breakpoint kill on certain Elites?

[wooden notch]

Meant for sword. You are correct though. Smite doesn’t crit

[forest goblet]

Ok, I did some switching up and basically I'll try playing with the speciall attack more. If it's not that ideal for me, I'll go try to do something with Souldrinker I guess

Thank you very much for the explanations and help

[spice dagger]

You don't need to use special on illisi. It's certainly not "correct" to use it, as illisi is very strong regardless and the special has huge downsides. Pretty sure @vale hound almost never uses the charged attack.

[vale hound]

I recommend special light rather than special heavy. It's so much faster and very safe to keep peril high.

[marble bison]

Agreed

[vale hound]

Yes you will kill and cleave less, but it still hits at least 4 targets.

[marble bison]

Special heavy is… slow.

[spice dagger]

Oh you do use it? Idk why I thought u didn't

[marble bison]

Very slow in fact

[vale hound]

And it still staggers ragers.

[vale hound]

Yeah I use special light way more than heavy.

Only special heavy as like the starter.

Then light spam + special lights.

[marble bison]

Hot take, but I reckon only lights 1 and 2 are good and I block-cancel on completing the 2nd one

[vale hound]

Yeah but that's too hard.

Just light spam.

[marble bison]

Lights 3/4 have ass angles

[marble bison]

Apparently it’s only achievable by 0.05% top Siblings

[vale hound]

Deimos light attacks angles would like a word.

[marble bison]

Deimos has ass attack angles as well on its L-attacks, but we’re discussing Illisi

[vale hound]

I wish they give deimos dodge to illisi.

The short dodge feels sad on melee only build.

[marble bison]

Aren’t their dodge properties identical?

[spice dagger]

I think the dodge distance is higher on deimos

[vale hound]

Much further on deimos.

[marble bison]

Oh hey, I learned something new, I suppose - Deimos indeed has slightly better dodge parameters

by the parameter of 0.1, which isn't nothing

[vale hound]

Inspect mobility to check dodge distance I think.

Illisi is like at -7% dodge

[marble bison]

8% points

at least on the final value; baseline difference is 10% points

[spice dagger]

What are the exact range values if you don't mind grabbing them for me?

[marble bison]

According to GamesLantern it's (Dodge distance):

• Deimos - 0.98 - 1.18 (at 100% modifier, though, so that would be... 1.14 at 80% Mobility?)
• Illisi - 0.88 - 1.03 (at 100% modifier; 1.00 at 80% Mobility then)

it's a bit more than I had originally typed

I don't realistically have means to measure proper in-game distance right now

[spice dagger]

So yeah 14% difference, very significant

[spice dagger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3473c2-2875-40d5-b931-a40973eea02e/burn-gunker-2

Updated burn gunker. Added some notes on optional talents, how to not be bad with assail and how to use the burn. Also switched the melee to duelling sword since it is objectively superior to knoife.

[marble bison]

Hm, so what’s the consensus on Assail pierce upgrade? Is it redundant in this time and age of Warp Splitting affecting Assail? Or do you just not take it, because it’s not that high of a priority?

[vale hound]

Just take it

[spice dagger]

Firstly, it's a lot less valuable than warp splitting since its basically 1 vs 1-2 and doesn't effect your other attacks. Secondly, the target cap isn't always going to be reached. I'd argue most of the time it isn't going to be reached unless you're firing into a dense horde because assail has a limited flight time. Lastly there's just so many more good talents we're hungry for now that ethereal shards just doesn't make the cut. A fourth or fifth target that most of the time isn't available to be hit due to lack of density or flight time? I've got better options, thanks.

[marble bison]

Very sensible, cheers

I’ll have to do some adjustments in my build regardless for experimenting

Notably maybe also get rid of the Assail recharge speed upgrade (can be circumvented with more sensible L1 into Charged chain)

[blazing wave]

I dont take it if im running a voidstrike build. Only using assail to kill spread out gunners with it.

[vale hound]

Hrm we play assail differently I guess.

Assail is my main weapon

I am a slave to the funny stones.

[blazing wave]

Gunker build with assail and empowered psionics is really fun and powerful. I just like to play around with different builds.

[vale hound]

My gazer gun build but I spam assail way too much
https://youtu.be/p7BNyAtCrrc

[remote socket]

what's the idea behind perfect timing? surely the damage bonus for assail isn't that impactful? does it help it reach breakpoints, or do you just think battle meditation is so undertuned that it's not worth taking instead?

[spice dagger]

the only strict breakpoint it hits is oneshot headshot on scab bruisers with DD, but it will help hit other breakpoints when scriers and MM are stacked. You could definitely drop it for battle med though and probably not feel a huge difference. I do like using battle med sometimes because its fun to stack the peril reduction talents, but it's not super impactful.

Think of it this way, battle med averages 1% peril per kill. If you get 1,000 kills in a mission (which is a lot more than most people average), that's 100 procs or 10 full peril bars. You probably go through 2-4 peril bars a minute or 40-80 peril bars in a 20 minute mission depending how much you use assail.

Also comparing it to TTS, you need 20 kills to average the same amount of peril reduction from literally one second of recon fire or just 3-4 melee headshots from by crack of bone

[remote socket]

I guess I just haven't been using assail very aggressively in my scrier's builds, maybe I should try it more often

[spice dagger]

but also i think battle med might be underrated idk

[remote socket]

I just felt like assail w/o ethereal shards really isn't very impactful, so I haven't been using it much

[remote socket]

I'm gonna try this build out and see how it feels too, I like the idea of having the fully kitted assail for hordeclear

[spice dagger]

but... the reason builds have been dropping ethereal shards is that warp splitting provides equal or better cleave. It's gotten more impactful with that change, not less.

[spice dagger]

You didn't take tranquility through slaughter?! bruh

[spice dagger]

Also booooo for not having weakspot and crit rates on so I can collect more data for how useful crit and true aim really are

[vale hound]

I have not rate but total count on the scoreboard only

[languid sleet]

What build for most boss damage (twins)

Hard mode

[vale hound]

Blaze trauma using ds4 with carapace shred and uncanny

[stable basalt]

Hi, was asking at psyker-class and was told to rather find out someone who played lmb/quell spam and found out this subspace .) seen vid with lmb staff spam quelling and it seems pretty strong, can anyone walk me through some lmb auto spam macro mod bolt build and how to make it work well and build around? ty

[spice dagger]

https://youtu.be/6Fy8SPod_y4?si=VMomB55ISaw47agY

[stable basalt]

ty, will watch it after work .) darktide video in work woldnt look good xD

[languid sleet]

Would gun psyker be any good?

[vale hound]

Yeah for that map in particular I like vraks infantry gun or mk2 las pistol.

High dps big ammo weapons to take out elites/specials.

[languid sleet]

were doing the bells so dont have to go through the whole thing

[spice dagger]

Columnus works well bc you melee the shield then unload a full clip once it's down

[languid sleet]

im going to spend so many resources leveling weapns

yippie

[ancient marten]

I never take it if I have warpsplitter

But I'm also a crack of the bone addict so it depends on what's more important to you

[spice dagger]

How are they related?

[ancient marten]

Just opportunity cost

Not referring to your build directly, but some other build that took some other talent.

[spice dagger]

Fair play

[fringe stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgOmEdOx8c balls spam is getting popular, this is a similar one

[muted orchid]

Why did you decide not to choose Smite for access to Psycokinetic's Aura and Seer's Presence, and why did you not take Perfectionism and Purloin Providence? Also, why Perilous Combustion over Battle Meditation?

[marble bison]

Purloin Providence is garbage

Lingering Influence is also typically “better” / easier to maintain than Perfectionism

[muted orchid]

but with Battle meditation, you can keep your peril low and scrier's up for a very long time is that not good?

[storm adder]

perfect timing is just a straight damage boost for doing something that you are already doing (crits)

[remote socket]

yeah, but only for warp damage and he wasn't running any warp damage besides unupgraded assail

that's why I was asking if it gave him any breakpoints, it just seemed like kind of a weak talent point

[stable basalt]

are reduced peril generation talents multiplicative or additive? with 6 warp charges (36%), empyric resolve (40%), reality anchor (20%) and 1 generic node (5%) could get 100% if additive, so probably not? .)

[languid sleet]

@silk zinc

[stable basalt]

also is scriers gaze afflicted by reduced peril generation?

[silk zinc]

yes

[stable basalt]

sooo... possible infinite SG? .)

[silk zinc]

Nein

It exponentially generates more peril

[stable basalt]

in that case reduced peril generation is multiplicative? is there some formula how it is count? bcs if u could get 100% peril reduction, then whatever increase of peril generation would be zeroed

[spice dagger]

1. Because this is an assail gunker build. Smite is garbage without shriek and/or EP. If I was going left hand side for Psykinetic's Aura I'd take brain burst not smite.

2. You can access seer's presence from either side. I want the crit chance from prescience for infernus.

3. Perfectionism is garbage. It's extremely difficult to maintain +15 stacks and if you aren't above 15 you might aswell have taken lingering influence.

4. Purloin providence is pure garbage and should never ever be picked. It's an average of 3% peril per blue man killed. You just don't kill enough marked targets for that to be worth it. Plus we have crack of bone and tranquillity through slaughter for peril reduction.

5. Perilous combustion puts in work when you need it the most, ie, when the shit hits the fan and there's a huge density of elites/specials. Battle meditation is OK, but it's only a mid tier talent, especially with all the other peril reduction we have.

[spice dagger]

Multiplicative

[spice dagger]

It uses the normal formula for multiplicative reduction

[stable basalt]

crap .) would u know, just for having the info, how is it calculated? just warp charges X empyric X reality X general nodes?

[spice dagger]

X*(1-peril reduction decimal)*(1-peril reduction decimal) and so on

Eg if you have empyric and inner tranquillity it's

100*(1-0.4)*(1-0.36)

[stable basalt]

ty, so u could get to cca 70% reduction max if getting every talent reducing peril

[spice dagger]

(Basic nodes that reduce peril reduction by 5% stack additively with each other)

[spice dagger]

Something like that, yeah. Empyric and inner tranquillity are 61.4% peril reduction together

[stable basalt]

yeah, getting those other 2 arent so impactful in the end

[spice dagger]

Yeah it's the same with toughness damage reduction. Once you have 10-15% from basic nodes and 10-33% from one with the warp, picking up something like Endurance (scriers talent that gives 20% TDR) is doing like half the work you'd want it to

And same with gunner/sniper resistance. First curio gives 20% second gives 16% and the third only 12.4%

[stable basalt]

good to know, ty, in fallout they changed so many things from additive to multiplicative and u can just straight up skip some things then

is battle meditation worth it with 1% peril quelled per kill? probably not?
and can someone tell me if any of the new talents are good?
what does weapon wield speed do? faster movement? ty .)

[ancient marten]

I only took battle meditation for smite EP builds, but now there's ER so battle mediation isn't even needed anymore, just spend that point elsewhere

Wield speed is how fast you swap weapons, mainly ranged weapons

Rifles,auto shotguns and the like have a little delay

[stable basalt]

ty, boltgun psyker when? it would be great to have faster swap speed with that .)

[ancient marten]

Swap speed is nice on my vet build with shotguns

But on psyker I think it's rarely worth it

[jolly blade]

by far one of the dumbest things ive ever done, use Deimos/lightening staff with it and 2xtoughtness one health curio all with combat ability regen, excessive amount of smite

[ancient marten]

Guh

[jolly blade]

it might actually be so dumb it causes disconnects

[spice dagger]

It's really not that dumb... except for not taking psykinetics aura. That's some zero IQ shit.

[jolly blade]

aye

i actually think i had it in there at some point but opt'ed for the cooldown on curio instead so i could, move a point or something

[spice dagger]

They aren't remotely the same level of impact, plus psykinetics effects the whole team. It should literally never be opted out of unless you're running assail

[jolly blade]

i moved the quell on kill to aura and now its in the psyk its basically infinite smite

so long as you get it into the groove and have an unlimited amount of elites

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d39cfed-8dd5-41cd-8c65-3a2392aa4c4b/smite-12

made it unlisted so it doesnt cause trouble

[vale hound]

Infinite gazer smite

[whole ether]

i want to use that build

[finite lake]

Guys, best build/blessings for inferno staff?

Miss Purgatus name

[spice dagger]

Blaze away nexus

[ancient marten]

flak + maniac/unyielding depending on your playstyle

crit is minimal impact imo, especially now blazeaway exists

[finite lake]

I'm currently going with Blaze/Flurry

[visual yoke]

https://i.imgur.com/Tb9AKPl.jpeg

This was basically the og scriers gun psyker build right?

Gonna fiddle around with it depending on the weapons I use but I'm gonna use this as a base I think

[vale hound]

Go crit chance aura with gazer

[blazing wave]

steal all the ammo build

[languid sleet]

Isn’t it assail not smite

[blazing wave]

psykinetic aura. shoot gun pop sciers gaze on cd. no blitz needed

[languid sleet]

Ye but more so for adds

[blazing wave]

melee for hordes

[languid sleet]

ok

[storm adder]

scrier's is practically no cooldown with gunker anyways

cause you have the linger period

assail actually synergizes with DD and cdr aura is also wasted on scrier's

[ancient marten]

If you pick assail you would actually be using your blitz, then your peril would not be empty all the time and would be fine with some CD on gaze

No assail means you won't have any peril generation which might make you think your gaze CD is "holding you back"

[blazing wave]

its 30 sec cd with no boofs. it doesnt start cooling down until you leave so its still worth having cdr

[ancient marten]

You also would be stuck doing either smite or gaze and not both at the same time

[storm adder]

assail actually syergizes with DD keystone and true aim and everything else

plus you don't need scriers all the time,

[storm adder]

20

cause of the 10 lingering

[ancient marten]

Battle meditation is also not needed when you have quelling on shooting

Usually by the end of your gaze the encounter would be over too

[blazing wave]

yeah but no 20% crit when its lingering. just damage

[storm adder]

you have true aim

and you'll grab crit aura from assail

smite by itself is also just a dead pick

[blazing wave]

it is. when im running this build i just shoot or melee

[storm adder]

then slot in assail and have 3 tools not 2

[ancient marten]

Gaze still comes backs quickly without the CDR

25 seconds and the shortest CD in the game I think

[storm adder]

and a 10 second linger

[blazing wave]

i do play assail gunker. this is just another way to play.

also psykinetic aura helps teammates

[ancient marten]

Take warp unbound and become the bane of pub play: unbound smyker

[blazing wave]

never

[ancient marten]

True I wouldn't wish it on anyone

[spice dagger]

It should be BB with kinetic resonance now that we have warp unbound.

[spice dagger]

Bruh it's a different build from assail gunker, and also not a new one

[spice dagger]

Strictly better version, imo. You don't need battle meditation, warp expenditure is garbage compared to just picking up a +15 toughness node and endurance gets low af value when you already have one with the warp and other TDR nodes

[brave sedge]

whats the best dps psyker build?

[wooden notch]

Gun psyker with viag for burst dps. Blaze blast for overall, imo.

[brave sedge]

build links if you dont mind would be appreciated

[storm adder]

Threads in discord kick out people randomly and existing games lantern builds suck

Look for something with a dum dum vraks infantry autogun (formerly columnus but now the grai is the columnus) and goes something like assail scriers Destiny keystone

Main chat might be more helpful

[vale hound]

Secret surge right click build with kf

[junior delta]

Whats a nice build for soulblaze/inferno staff? Anything fire themed, I just want to do it cause it looks super cool

But I want it to be viable so I don't let teammates down

[scenic light]

https://youtu.be/2eglQS0WZbM

Time stamps for build and how to use it etc

[scenic light]

Define best. The meta is still cooking for most parts but if you are looking for something where you simply turn your brain off and trivialise the game, that's definitely the EP smite with LMB Electro build

[junior delta]

Infinite??? Oh my goodness, this is much better than I anticipated

I was worried that I was gonna be told it's horrible or smth since whenever I've tasted it it's dealt pathetic damage

[brave sedge]

Fun and big dps

The gun Psyker seems pretty good and fun

[ancient marten]

Gun psyker is my new main this patch, they finally figured out gaze synergies

[spice dagger]

Gaze synergise with other gaze. That's like the whole point

[signal flax]

update reset my builds. anyone have that braindead smite talent loadout handy?

i'd be grateful

[muted orchid]

which one do you mean?

[muted orchid]

This is what I like to use
With Electro staff that has Carapace damage, ranged crit chance and Surge + Warp nexus for blessings.
Use w/e melee you like

[brave sedge]

A perk build layout , and weapon types with perks would be appreciated 🙏

[languid sleet]

Recon - maniacs & unyielding
Dum dum & inferno

Melee is free. Illisi is pretty good for horde clear but so is ds4 so either work but so do most melee here

[brave sedge]

Vraks isn’t better? Also Ty

[languid sleet]

Vraks is good too. I just been using recon lately

[brave sedge]

Gotcha I’ll try both

[spice dagger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3473c2-2875-40d5-b931-a40973eea02e/burn-gunker-2

[muted orchid]

how does this set up deal with Carapace? Also no move speed buff on Scryer's???

I realize that my previous message may have sounded passive-aggressive, but I’m genuinely curious. Sorry about that! Lmao.😅

[blazing wave]

ds4 deletes crushers

[spice dagger]

By using the best anti-carapace melee in the game

Or the best anti-carapace option psyker has in general

And the move speed buff is totally fine to take, I chuck it on sometimes but not always. There's a lot of good stuff to take

[muted orchid]

whats the dump stat for the sword?

[wooden notch]

Mobility for most. If you never plan on using it on hordes cleave is another dump

[spice dagger]

Mobility for gunker, cleave damage for every staff

[wise turret]

are there standard perks/blessings that are optimal for each weapon? to reach certain breakpoints? or does it vary buy build

[spice dagger]

Mostly standard, some change with build

It's also just personal preference on a lot of stuff

[wise turret]

gotcha ty, is there any in depth guide that gives you a good build/staff and explains what makes it work and why? also in general good builds for each staff?

[spice dagger]

The Atheneum in the pinned comments (still not updated for current patch but has lots of important into) and check out AgentChaos on YouTube

Also you can just ask here or in the main psyker chat for build suggestions

[wise turret]

I didn't want to ask super repeated questions in case there was a place where info was already consolidated, but I guess new patch the meta is still cooking and nothing is in stone yet for there to be a one stop place for everything

[muted orchid]

Can anyone share their LMB Staff psyker build or explain it? I often see discussions about it but struggle to find details.

[wooden notch]

This is Pygex’s version. It is a lmb and smite build.

https://youtu.be/EujuYDonqvM?si=Lsv9gUCC7jjK5DeH

[muted orchid]

nty would rather watch paint dry than use smite

[vale hound]

I use creeping flames warp charge variant but it's meh.

I just hate left click spam surge surge meme.

I don't understand how people do more damage with it than right click.

[scenic light]

Disgusting

Trivialises the game

[storm adder]

cause it's OP

[vale hound]

It's meh.

Right click creeping flames spam more aoe damage.

[languid sleet]

It’s just smite lol

It’s like saying “op Vraks 5 build” and then it’s smite for 99% of gameplay

[storm adder]

lmao no, left click electro staff is OP

[languid sleet]

have you ever used rmb?

cuz

1. no aim no brain
2. enemies = ded

[vale hound]

No it's really bad and do no damage.

You should only use left click on surge.

[storm adder]

have you used the new left click build with surge lol? even without scripts you throw out a ton of orbs that deal a ton of damage

you should only be using rmb vs carapace

surge lmb outdps rmb, and it costs way less peril

[languid sleet]

yes ive used smite before

[storm adder]

smite

NO ONE is saying smite

lol

yes smite is busted on it's own, that isn't what is making the electro build busted it's staff lmb

[languid sleet]

staff lmb build is 98% smite my guy

lol

[muted orchid]

the build isnt good because of smite its good because electro has crit bonus and the fastest lmb fire rate aswell as warp nexus and surge

smite is a very nice get out of jail free card vs things that sneak up or want to overwhelm you

[muted orchid]

smite is for sure not busted, go look at the builds that showcase gameplay they barely ever use smite on this set up

[muted orchid]

well its not just lmb, vs armour you still want to use rmb and shriek its something like 2 left clicks and 4 right clicks to kill a damnation crusher but most of the time they die in 2 right clicks because your team helpsout

[languid sleet]

run lmb without smite

[muted orchid]

I do and it works great

[languid sleet]

also telling the "best" psyker how to play psyker is kinda comical

[muted orchid]

xDDD

Brother

Claiming to be the "best" while exhibiting poor performance is contradictory.

You think smite is good

it ends there

[languid sleet]

im talking about agent chaos you donut

[muted orchid]

soz not soz

xDDD

Nah oi because when they say they dont get it and I try to explain it that for sure means you get to butt in

[languid sleet]

ahhhh everything makes sense. never seen anyone above the age of 14 use "soz"

[muted orchid]

???

yeah nice

cant think of a coherent argument so you go for the belittle angle

dont get emotional just because your prescious smite got called mid

[languid sleet]

wait i gotta ask, do u do mael at all?

[muted orchid]

mhm

[languid sleet]

i dont use smite, i actually dislike smite bc it trivializes the game to a point of being able to type in game chat and not die

if you think smite is bad it tells more about the fact that you cant utilize quite possibly the easiest and cheesiest mechanic in the game

[muted orchid]

Brother

your logic went from A to B to 4

Stop perpetuating a false narrative.

[languid sleet]

get EP. Smite. Go piss. come back. repeat

[storm adder]

showcase is a joke

[muted orchid]

???

[languid sleet]

my logic hasnt changed once?

[storm adder]

smite is absolutely busted it's just mercy mains making it look bad

EP smite can melt packs of ragers in 8 seconds

[muted orchid]

Sure if you're a casual

but if you want to not be one

[storm adder]

add in creeping flame and it's anything below crusher

[muted orchid]

you gotta ditch it

because its bad

[languid sleet]

yeah id also put a laughing emoji if i were you

[storm adder]

lol

[muted orchid]

Brother stop

[storm adder]

play it in a difficulty with actual density

like auric maels/auric damn

[languid sleet]

i no longer think ur 14, ur now a basement dweller 30yo

[languid sleet]

bro auric maels are so hard tho

people can beat those?

[muted orchid]

oh look another emotional response from mr belittle

its ok ill give you some time to google how to sting together a coherent response

[storm adder]

smite has theoretically the best cleave out of any psyker ability, it does huge damage if built right and has 0 risk

[languid sleet]

i mean you just called someone a casual in a game about killing hordes

lmao

[muted orchid]

???????

Is you stupid or is you trollin?

Now I know for a fact you aint a sweat tren

[storm adder]

two things can be busted, electro lmb output shouldn't be in the game and outshine the rmb, and smite is absolutely god tier when it isn't used by someone who mained mercy

[languid sleet]

well its half, ur angy so its funny but im also right

[storm adder]

mini u think smite is bad

either you don't know what you are talking about and or you don't play aurics

trens houldn't be insulting you

[muted orchid]

Ah yep the grandstanding

[languid sleet]

wait no mercy mains are actually cracked at smite bc theyre used to holding lmb

[muted orchid]

I do wonder

[storm adder]

[muted orchid]

because it is

[storm adder]

yea with shield, and warp charges for more shields

gotta avoid damage so you can stun enemies longer

[muted orchid]

WITH SHIELD LMAO

yeah we done here

adio

[storm adder]

when you read sarcasm

[languid sleet]

nah nahnah

[storm adder]

dumbass

[languid sleet]

no shield

lmao

[storm adder]

literally read above the build is EP smite creeping flames

hopefully you know which ability creeping flames is attached to

[languid sleet]

MiniTitan thinks hes a god gamer

theres no getting through

pleasse just never be my teammate on an auric mael

[muted orchid]

Nah but I knww im better than you thats for sure

its ok bro

go glaze that smite some more

[languid sleet]

probably not tbh

[storm adder]

me when i top damage by 400k+ for simply holding down smite zzz

[muted orchid]

let me put it this way

[storm adder]

glazing SMITE BRO

you freak

thinking about glazing a fictional ability

freaky

[languid sleet]

you think smites bad and if you cant use the easiest ability in the game how can i expect you to use anything else effectively

[storm adder]

i mean i kinda knew this was going to go this way when they reference "showcase"

[muted orchid]

yes and a soulblaze build will do 800K by spamming shriek and lmb cancel tech

[storm adder]

why isn't smite showcased more? cause the good build for it only has one way

[languid sleet]

ok so post a Leaderboard screenshot then

[storm adder]

and it's not interactive

[languid sleet]

your own ofc

[storm adder]

no no, 400k on top of the next person

so 1.2mil

record

[languid sleet]

genuienly doable on smite

unless ur playing with someone good

[storm adder]

also lmb cancel tech zzzz

fotm chasers

[languid sleet]

cuz anyone even slightly good is just gonna kill anything in smite so you lose dmg

had to explain cuz i know bro doesnt get it

[muted orchid]

Please explain how me referencing someone showcasing gameplay of the build they are talking about is discredit to anything whatsoever??? Like have you ever done a report of any sort in your life or do you just accept things without evidence

[languid sleet]

using cancel tech is extreme neck beard try harding that just isnt for me

[storm adder]

my evidence is actually good players, not a popularity contest

[storm adder]

he probably macros his tech

[languid sleet]

why cant you use your own evidence?

[muted orchid]

right so a shit response from a shit player thanks

[languid sleet]

i can post other psykers on yt too

thats not difficult

but if ur so good. just post ur own

[storm adder]

dps smite is extremely boring and the good build is the exact same with little to no leyway, of course it's not going to be showcased

[muted orchid]

wont matter because according to mr Bandit overhere gameplay is not proof the build works

[storm adder]

anyone can clear auric damn in greys if they are good enough

what matters is numbers and data

[muted orchid]

nah but actually answer the question please

[storm adder]

and smite is a monster when specc'd right

[muted orchid]

its not

[languid sleet]

ive ran auric maels with grey knifes and staffs and guns. does that mean everyone should do it?

[storm adder]

ogryn chat laughed at a launcher showcased build literally

last month

[muted orchid]

What does that have to do with the price of fish on a Tuesday?

[storm adder]

cause of how bad it was

[languid sleet]

its actually crazy how you are arguuing how much better you are than me and have no idea how impactful smite is

it ruins and destroys any argument you can make

[muted orchid]

@storm adder My brother in the name of the emperor you cannot be this dull

[storm adder]

killing a dozen ragers and maulers and the entire horde in 8 seconds

[muted orchid]

So you saw someone showcase bad gameplay

and instead of going

oh they are the problem

YOUBLAME THE SHOWCASE

L
M
A
O

[storm adder]

no it was bad gameplay and a bad build lmao

[languid sleet]

critical thinking isnt his strong suit

[storm adder]

u don't understand density

[muted orchid]

AND YOU STILL THINK THE SHOWCASE WAS THE ISSUE????

[muted orchid]

The irony here

[storm adder]

why are you hyperfixating on your example showcase

as proof

[languid sleet]

why cant you post any of ur own proof tho?

[muted orchid]

Who said the showcase was mine? are you stupid

[languid sleet]

if ur so good....

[storm adder]

without posting it either

[storm adder]

it's your example, not your showcase

it's a conversation

don't take it hard

[languid sleet]

see what i mean about the critical thinking not being there

[muted orchid]

I mean you are straight up being stupid tho

Stupidity is very aggrevating

[storm adder]

this will work the 50th time you try it

[languid sleet]

no need to be so emotionally motivated here bud

[muted orchid]

YOu mean the 2nd time I try it? Speaking of seconds maybe go read the comment that started this all because you clearly forgot what you're talking about

[muted orchid]

Hello pot meet kettle

[storm adder]

i really should've saved the birds eye view of smite's range

it's ridic

[languid sleet]

Im never going to get over you telling agent chaos how to play

its hilarious

[storm adder]

discord is a terrible aggregator

[storm adder]

if smite not good why no more creators showcase it?

[languid sleet]

how about this

[storm adder]

cause most creators don't want to hold smite on a video

[languid sleet]

why dont we just run an auric mael, and you can show me how good you are and prove me wrong

[storm adder]

it's like saying mcdonald's is the best burger cause they are the biggest chain

[muted orchid]

🤦‍♂️ Please go read what I actually said and when you've done that read it a second time and come back to us because now you're making shit up

[languid sleet]

i mean in the showcase he cant stop bragging about its like 89% smite

do

so

[storm adder]

i mean, you've provided nothing on what is bad about smite, and we've posted numbers

if you think killing 2 dozen elites and a horde at the same time in 8 seconds is bad you have no frame of reference for the game

[muted orchid]

I have said 4 different things on why its bad but both you and tren are grand standing and perpetuating a narrative of your own design so its time you went and did the work

[storm adder]

list them

[muted orchid]

SEE YOU DONT READ WHAT IM WRITING

GO

DO

THE WORK

FIND

WHAT I WROTE

[storm adder]

go look at the builds that showcase gameplay they barely ever use smite on this set up

[muted orchid]

yes good job that was the subject of conversation from 10 mins ago

[storm adder]

uhh uhh it's boring (which i think is a fact of life)

[storm adder]

you didn't write shit lmao

too busy insulting me

[muted orchid]

tell me im wrong tho

[storm adder]

you are wrong xd

[muted orchid]

you're struggling to listen

You know what

you right

[storm adder]

smite scales massively off density, has a ton of dps when built right, and synergizes great with venting flames

waiting for the 4 things

[muted orchid]

I was in the wrong for even bothering to talk to 2 idiots

its alright brother you go play your glazed build

[storm adder]

waiting

[muted orchid]

play one proper game of any of the soulblaze variants and then get back to me about what is actual good

[storm adder]

back your words up lil bro

[muted orchid]

I have multipel times and you have every time displayed your lack of reading

So whats the point

might aswell go watch paint dry

[storm adder]

waiting for 4

[muted orchid]

just as insightful of a conversation

[muted orchid]

Do the work

[storm adder]

you didn't tho

you called me stupid, said it's boring for you, and that it's for stopping people for sneaking up on you

[muted orchid]

real quick

[storm adder]

none of those are objective statements (tho everyone here agrees it's boring)

[muted orchid]

how many levels of psyker do you have?

[storm adder]

how many hours you have?

[muted orchid]

levels

[storm adder]

how long you been playing

what your penances?

[muted orchid]

do you use the true level mod

[storm adder]

if you wanna dick measure

go get an anthill

[muted orchid]

answer the question

[storm adder]

it ain't fair if you go up to me

[muted orchid]

how many levels do you have on psyker?

[storm adder]

last i checked? 250.

inb4 not enough levels to know

[muted orchid]

xDDDD

aight we done here

adio

[storm adder]

i've done hardmode twins on every class, I do auric maels on every class, I'm not the best player but i'm def a better player

[muted orchid]

👋

[storm adder]

nah u'll come back

u got a big mouth

[muted orchid]

il lcome back when you hit 1K

then we can speak

[storm adder]

you like william afton

always coming back

1k level addicts lol

play like shit

nonstop all day

never learn 😔

[muted orchid]

until then ur a causal

[storm adder]

u don't know how density is

continue level farming off normal damn

[muted orchid]

Ex Dee

cya

[storm adder]

u can't even say you do aurics bro, did you do twins HM?

do you got the medal, and the B helmet?

[blazing wave]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-watching-weekend-vibe-gif-5457118

[storm adder]

you were level 18 almost 2 weeks ago

[languid sleet]

you dont even do auric do you

lmao

filthy casuals ruining this game

[wooden notch]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[languid sleet]

You haven’t backed up shit

[storm adder]

they were level 18 on the 7th of this month

not even worth talking to at this point

[languid sleet]

LMAO

and bros saying hes level 1k?

[silk zinc]

You can't just say "reading", it needs to be lack of reading comprehension.

[storm adder]

i don't know why it's so hard to be like "it's not for me"

universal experience from a few games

[vale hound]

What in the world

[spice dagger]

I'm 1,500 does my opinion count?

[vale hound]

@languid sleet I am making a left click surge build video just to get it out of the way. No ep smite usage

[languid sleet]

Promise to 360 a sniper?

[vale hound]

Nein I'm not that good

[languid sleet]

360 headshot a sniper

[vale hound]

I already recorded the game. No 360

[languid sleet]

[signal flax]

having trouble getting the mind's aegis penance because i've never really used builds with telekinetic shield before. Can anyone recommend me a good talent setup that uses it?

[languid sleet]

Wait sorry

That’s not good for the penance. I thought the brain burst

I ran this with trauma staff for a while

[signal flax]

well it doesn't have to be specifically for the penance. like i'd be happy with just a strong shield build for general use

just to mix things up

[languid sleet]

The one I just sent I used to run with trauma but ig any staff works really. Enough elite kills and you’ll have infinite shield

[signal flax]

tyvm

[signal flax]

oh fuck yeah this build slaps

[brave sedge]

Dumb question but my recon showing as v1c not v1d did the patch do a name change ?

[languid sleet]

Yes

[brave sedge]

Thanks

[scenic light]

Scoreboard shots mean nothing, I can get crazy damage with a bad build if I have even worse team mates

[languid sleet]

Yeah ofc. It’s just kinda the only way to differentiate between players. Like there’s obviously going to be a huge skill gap in someone that gets a mil dmg in 20min vs 30.

[fleet lily]

Couple of things to mess around with. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid crater]

what are the best force swords and which stat do I dump? What dump stat on voidblast?

[spice dagger]

No tranquillity through slaughter on what looks like a gunker build?

[fleet lily]

Both are voidstrike actually

[craggy tide]

@spice dagger What's your updated assail trauma build?

[spice dagger]

I haven't played it since the patch but maybe just this

[marble bison]

This is also what I would go for, for that build

[wooden notch]

Warp res is dump on everything you mentioned

[craggy tide]

kk thanks. I'll give it a try. It's not too different than the old one.

ER has ruined me so I took this and it felt alright.

[spice dagger]

Nice. ER is so nice with trauma. Good catch with souldrinker, too. That definitely should've been in mine. I'd probably drop quickshards for it.

[craggy tide]

Ye. Though quick shards is nice. If I don't have ER, I might have to do 80 WR. I am basically back to noob peril management. 💀

[neat current]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da443eb-e709-41a8-847f-a11ef602c46d/psionic-knight
So I threw this together as kind of a meme but wanted to make a build for the FGS. Let me know if I made any major mistakes with this but I think it'll work for now at least!

[spice dagger]

Melee weapon - Warp slice is extremely bad. Critting with the special force wave isn't that important or impactful. Flak is also not that impactful for breakpoints, might wanna grab carapace instead but it's not a huge deal. Lastly you're better off having low warp resistance than low defences so you have slightly better dodge distance.

Curios - bomber and tox flamer resist are pretty bad. Switch it out for combat ability regen, toughness or gunner resist or whatever else you like. Also, toughness regen speed perks are only really good if you get three of them.

Talents - Pick up quietude instead of Warp expenditure. It's twice as much toughness generated. The rest of your tree looks great.

[neat current]

ill make those adjustments

[spice dagger]

My go to blessings atm are wrath and riposte. Wrath really helps in hordes by staggering more of the enemies in front of you.

[neat current]

alright its been updated

[sonic loom]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da46cff-2e44-4750-99ea-8d593c148409/moonlight-gunker

this is what i'm running rn

[paper forge]

are there meta builds already for the greatsword?

[scenic light]

While you can go melee mainly for the FGS and it is defnintely viable, it is not as effective as staff builds. Check Atheneum FGS entry for suggested talent picks to support FGS, still plenty of room to spec for your ranged of choice.

[paper forge]

thank you!! I think I am going to stick with the zealot for greatsword then

[sullen breach]

What are people running for high level Havocs? I’ve seen some video about taking shield and purgatus staff?

[scenic light]

LMB Electro with EP smite goes hard. Flame Trauma with bubble should also work. Generally speaking if you can bring in active defences and control while also dealing damage you should be good to go.

Havoc reduces players passive defences and makes enemies hit harder, so you can't just toughness tank and nuke through enemies like you can on aurics.

[sullen breach]

Yeah, I’ve heard that the enemies got damage reduction against range attacks but not dots. Was thinking about using a purgatus staff. Since that can also do a bit of CC with the left click.

Anyways, I’ll give it a go. I’m around like 26 clearance so things are definitely heating up

[vale hound]

Bubble trauma or burga for 30+

[sullen breach]

I still don’t know what a burga staff is

Do you mean the purgatus?

[supple lily]

anyone have build for support psyker with the shield?

just started playing psyker and I found that psyker with shield help alot in heresy difficulty and stuff

[scenic light]

You can use Atheneum Flame Trauma build as a starting point.

[spice dagger]

Just have EE up at all times, havoc solved

[civic prairie]

@teal harness

[still frost]

unusable in high havoc tho due to toughness cuts and three tries on a level

[spice dagger]

Blazing spirit is garbage and perfect timing does almost nothing on this build. You also missed picking the best node for scriers (precognition)

[spice dagger]

Also you picked warp expenditure over quietude even though it has half the value

[errant lodge]

guys any good build with new sword? because when there is horde with some flak/carapace enemy it just feels like shit 😄

[vale hound]

Wut

It's the best against elites.

Pick assails and dd

[south fossil]

hey guys, returning player here. any good updated assail builds that someone can recommend?

been having fun with greatsword builds but I wanna see if I can some low effort assail gameplay work

[scenic light]

Assails DD and revolver with hand cannon + surgical

[scenic light]

Why not Assails + Greatsword, they complement each other nicely

Something like this for example. You can also go scrier's gaze, take Precognition into warp unbound ans then you can put a point into warp speed as well

[south fossil]

ah shit thanks! do you not take empowered psionics anymore?

[languid sleet]

No point for it in that build

[south fossil]

I am looking to do assail with a sword and maybe a nice staff

but idk if its viable

very little info out there rn esp about the new patch

[languid sleet]

Gun Psyker = melee Psyker = assail Psyker

Those 3 all predominantly the same builds

Can you swap a gun for a staff? Yes

Literally whatever staff you’d like

[austere frost]

What is the meta build for psyker?

[languid sleet]

which staff ya wanna use

surge and trauma build

purg build

[austere frost]

I want to use blaze forge greatsword or duelling sword. which one is stronger

[languid sleet]

Ds4 but they both work

[austere frost]

ds4 ??

[languid sleet]

Dueling sword 4

[austere frost]

okey

ty

[craggy tide]

FGS is better at handling hordes while still handling crushers well, has more defensive utility with the pushes and PA up to 9m away, and better range. DS, especially DS4, has very high and fast single target damage, a lot more mobility, is simple to use (idk if you like or don't like that), and can stagger most enemies with a special (need a head shot on crushers and mutants); DS does struggle against hordes but it's rarely the only thing that is handling hordes in a build.

[meager sinew]

Yeah, Psyker is better equipped than anyone else to take a dedicated single target melee and use ranged for hordes

[scenic light]

"Most enemies" aka everything that is not a monstrosity or a scab captain

[frank coyote]

the build on the website still sucks?

[glass pike]

Brothers. I need help. I need to do big dick damage to a monstrosity with Brain Burst for that bloody penance. Anyone got something like that cooked up? I will absolutely love to stim that knowledge into my brain.

[spice dagger]

Just pick kinetic resonance, walls, and warp charges. There's not much more you can do to boost BB in that situation.

[glass pike]

That's basically what I ended up doing. I used venting shriek to burn everything near me to death and then kept BB. Landed the last hit with my trusty greatsword just to make certain. It worked! So now I can help other people with this penance.

Thanks though!

[jolly blade]

Speed stim

[tight saddle]

is this good for havoc? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de675dd-4e67-4518-b6a4-103fb5b1645a/psyker-40-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[craggy tide]

It's mostly fine. The biggest issue is not having blaze away on inferno/ purg.

Also, psyker already has fast stam regen so that is not a great pick on curios for psyker in general. Health over toughness as a staff user because of corruption is also better; even with invested in toughness it get chewed up SO quickly.

BUT curios are also largely personal pref.

[tight saddle]

Yea I messed up when putting in the items, I run blaze away on the staff and 4%cdr, 5% hp, 5% toughness on curios

[outer nymph]

i've offhandedly heard that stam regen on psyker is good because it capitalizes on psyker's already good stamina, though i haven't tested this at all lmao

[craggy tide]

The people I usually see stacking stam regen aren't psyker mains. Maybe a similar thing with zealot mains putting precog on their psyker's melee.

Psyker regen delay is 0.5s, which is faster than other classes. Stam regen apparently only affects regen rate only and not the delay. If you dodge slide, which you should be doing especially on psyker, then you're stam positive. Psyker also has access to KD (kinetic deflection) which lets psyker block A LOT of hits. So there isn't as much use for stam regen on psyker.

However, if someone like it then they should play what they like.

I do get that framing tho.

[vale hound]

Zealot mains spreading misinfo it's typical.

(I'm zealot main)

[craggy tide]

Are you tho?

[vale hound]

Tbf it's lvl 700+ so a lot higher than the zealot mains talking out of their arses like I don't know how to play zealot.

[craggy tide]

True true; but psyker bigger.

[vale hound]

Sometimes I play zealot because psyker is too OP

Make it too easy.

[craggy tide]

[vale hound]

Also I enjoy playing both big swords now too. Their big sword not as good as ours but it's fun in a different way.

[craggy tide]

I hear it's good. I heard someone say "It fucks." and I've been giggling about it.

[jolly blade]

BFGS 9000

[spice dagger]

I recently put on +36% stam regen to see if it would reduce the number of times I'm trying to sprint with 0 stam remaining

Honestly felt good

But this was for running around on auric mael like an average IQ zealot, not trying to stick with my team in havoc

[craggy tide]

I can see running all of the stam things for go fast.

[spice dagger]

Zoomies

I also wanted to drop KD bc gunker is so point starved tbh. Works pretty well with a + 3 and stam regen

[craggy tide]

If we could just get 1 more point.

Middle path isn't point starved, but left or right... just give us 1 more.

[scenic light]

To add to this, KD does benefit from max stamina however, as the stamina to peril conversion is determined by your max stamina value, the greater your max stamina is, the less peril is generated by blocking. Essentially 1 bar of stamina gives you 4 bars worth of stamina as peril for blocking.

[flat grove]

what are the cool kids running with trauma these days?

[spice dagger]

Therapy

[flat grove]

who has the points for that

[craggy tide]

Fire trauma is still great. DS4 is the usual melee that goes with it.

I've been running rending shockwave + flurry trauma in high havocs because I've been playing with a purg user and I don't want to mess with blaze away and it takes crushers down faster.

[flat grove]

still with DS4?

I've been using a Deimos and enjoying it, but I'm open to playing around

[craggy tide]

Deimos, FGS (force great sword), and knife are all good options. DS4 is still just the most efficient in terms of dealing single target damage while maintaining higher mobility.

I've been using deimos in high havoc with trauma for more defensive utility that can still deal with crushers.

[last flare]

If I post my build, could I get some critiques on how to optimize? Also is there a good melee build focused around force blaze gs?

[last flare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e125991-d6ba-455b-8b1c-65e16690687e/hot-hands

Also could I tweak this into a separate bubble build?

[spice dagger]

Build looks fine. The only things I'd change are the stam regen perk on one of your curios and precog to bleed or riposte

You also might want to change a knife perk to maniac, your staff can kill unyielding so not much point having it

[last flare]

Change stam regen to something like sniper/another gunner resist?

And for the staff on bosses do I just stack dots with a full charged alt fire?

[spice dagger]

Yeah sniper or gunner are good

Yep.

[last flare]

Awesome . Thanks a bunch!

Btw do you have any recommendations for a melee or bubble psyker build?

[spice dagger]

Something like this for melee

[last flare]

Thank you again!!

[knotty mortar]

is there any good beginner builds for low level?

[craggy tide]

It's mostly assail when you get access to it. You'll also need something to deal with crushers and monsters, but there aren't many of those on the lower difficulties.

[knotty mortar]

is the inferno staff any good ?

[last flare]

Yeah, I'd say it's pretty good 👍

[knotty mortar]

what do you think are the best masteries for it ?

[last flare]

Blaze away and Warp Nexus (i think that's the one. Crit based off peril iirc)

[knotty mortar]

alrighty ill give them a try thank you 🙂

[craggy tide]

Perks flak + unyielding/ crit chance/ maniac
Blessings blaze away + warp nexus

[knotty mortar]

Now when I'm using it since I have blaze away should I be using the secondary attack or just spamming the fast attack ?

[last flare]

Someone can probably speak to this better than I because I'm pretty green on psyker, but I use secondary for hordes, bosses, etc. I use the primary as more of a stagger or to kill a straggler or something

[true nest]

hello space wizards any good greatsword builds?

[spice dagger]

It fits with any build

[true nest]

oh I see any specific builds you can recommend? I'm pretty new to psyker and have a serious skill issue lol

[spice dagger]

What level are you

[true nest]

30

[spice dagger]

What ranged weapons are you interested in? All the staffs and some guns are really good, but the builds differ

[true nest]

any staff is fine, am kinda tired of guns

but for specifics sake let's say flame and electro staff

[spice dagger]

This is the meta build for both those staffs

Just switch brain burst to smite with electo if you want

[true nest]

thanks a ton!

[spice dagger]

No worries

Also if you post in the main psyker channel for builds you'll generally get more responses. People don't check this one as much

[digital anvil]

I see you use wildfire, is there a reason for it? I thought its generally considered not good.

[spice dagger]

The community here on discord is pretty split about it, but enough people who I highly respect the opinion of run wildfire that I run it if I have enough points. It is optional, though.

I wouldn't run it with electro, though. That was an oversight when I posted the build. I only suggest it with inferno and blazing voidblast

[digital anvil]

Yeah all I could think is just to have some additional sources of DOT for crits

[spice dagger]

What do you mean "for crits"? DoTs can't crit

The benefit wildfire provides is that it lets you stack up soulblaze quicker because enemies will often have 1-3 stacks already on them once combat is flowing. It doesn't really interact with any talents specifically.

[cobalt mauve]

Any good toughness/smite builds

My assail isnt good enough for lvl 5 crown control

[storm adder]

if you need crown control i recommend the guillotine

you can make assail work for lvl5, easily tho

taking EP or DD is going to be important, as well as the scrier's extension that prevents you from blowing up

[spice dagger]

Assail is incredibly strong in damnation.

[cobalt mauve]

idk, i cant get to seem to make it as op as the streamers do

[last flare]

Streamers