i usually run smite with voidstrike or bb on gunker
#psyker-class
rich spindle
I think its better if another person is running a dot build
Like if theres another flame shriek/purg/trauma psyker
spice veldt
assail is comfy to me while having some interactivity that tickles my brain cells
i hate smite for what it is, and i dislike brainburst for what it is
broken carbon
i hate smite for what it is, and i dislike brainburst for what it is
smite i have solely for bulwark packs
i use it never else
spice veldt
oh yeah
broken carbon
and brain burst just for kinetic flayer
rich spindle
Its cool to use smite to push poxbursters from long range
spice veldt
trauma is the staff i like the most so that's my bulwark-duty weapon
broken carbon
trauma is the staff i like the most so that's my bulwark-duty weapon
i need to run trauma again
calm sapphire
trauma is the staff i like the most so that's my bulwark-duty weapon
Trauma too op n a little less brain ded than smite
spice veldt
trauma gets a mild pass out compared to smite for me just because enemies get staggered down and i don't have to have trauma out all the time for the stagger
but yeah i would certainly like trauma to have some things tuned down
long wharf
trauma secondary explosion profile needs fixing
it needs to do full damage to everything the visual circle touches
and then have damage falloff past that
spice veldt
they fixed the visual circle scaling now i believe so it should scale appropriately to your blast radius stat
i'm fine with it being what it currently is so that it's unique compared to traditional explosive weapons with usual falloff
long wharf
doesn't change the inner radius nonsense
spice veldt
conceptually it's fine to me having this epicentre where you do a lot of damage and a sharp cutoff
long wharf
the visual circle should be that inner radius
spice veldt
it's cool and something that really only a magic-y weapon is going to be able to do compared to traditional explosives which are going to pretty much going to have the typical falloff that we expect
calm sapphire
but yeah i would certainly like trauma to have some things tuned down
Just too good at dealing against mixed hordes
Literally nothing will be able to reach u and if u have bubble too. Then u are unkillable tbh
spice veldt
the visual circle should be that inner radius
the visual circle is that inner radius though nowadays
they fixed the scaling so that it scales to your blast radius stat
long wharf
no it's not?
spice veldt
instead of the circle always assuming that it's 100% blast radius
hasty valve
What psyker melee weapon has the most knockback? Shockmaul looks pretty good for that
calm sapphire
What psyker melee weapon has the most knockback? Shockmaul looks pretty good for...
Deimos
spice veldt
Just too good at dealing against mixed hordes
Literally nothing will be able to...
yeah the stagger + damage + uptime is too much for my liking
just gotta shoot it right in the kneecaps
analog verge
does force sword push attack count
quartz barn
its the special
calm sapphire
fr? thats the one i have now
Simply because heavy 1rst attack I believe can stagger crusher on their feet
analog verge
i dont remember if it can do that during overheads
hasty valve
Simply because heavy 1rst attack I believe can stagger crusher on their feet
cool
just got deimos and havent figured it out yet
lyric burrow
H2 is the one that knocks everything over
like crushers literally get knocked on their back
with deimos that is
calm sapphire
the funny poke
Ye the poke swing is the one that staggers
lyric burrow
H1 might have some stagger too but tbh i always l1 h2
broken carbon
how does the force sword push attack actually choose its target
long wharf
meanwhile, ds4 special staggers nearly everything
lyric burrow
a balanced world we live in
calm sapphire
a balanced world we live in
When revolver > bolt pistol > bolter 
lyric burrow
revo makes me sad
calm sapphire
revo makes me sad
I can't resist using the revolver on zealot cause it's too good at babysitting vets when I need it
jovial juniper
how does the force sword push attack actually choose its target
Pretty accurate since it basically targets whoever you're aiming at
Then there's a small radius around the dot on the middle so you can still shove even if you're not dead center on the target
broken carbon
Pretty accurate since it basically targets whoever you're aiming at
Then there's...
oh
pawesome
jovial juniper
It gets a bit funky if an enemy is basically hugging you but you're trying to shove the one behind it
And it's always a weakspot hit
You can stac True Aim/Uncanny
long wharf
near meat neat, sounds like an anime attack
jovial juniper
are the normal pushes weakspots?
Doesn't seem like it
spice veldt
stan moment
spice veldt
are the normal pushes weakspots?
if only
stack true aim with pushes and voidstrike surge cutting board noises intensify
broken carbon
lmfao
calm sapphire
I wanna like surge staff but I'd have to abuse blitz cancel to make it good enough for hi shock or maelstrom
lethal lagoon
That's really not true.
I get 600-800k pretty much every game on Surge without quell canceling. Agent has posted 1mil+ games with surge and he's also too lazy to blitz cancel.
You abuse blitz cancel if you are trying to compete with other top tier players, but for a pub it's completely unneeded.
If it's feeling bad to you, are you edging? Are you spamming shriek enough? Are you playing aggressively in the front?
long wharf
surge has the problem of not reliably stunning/staggering things
lethal lagoon
I've never had an issue with that
Not that it doesn't exist, but the game's stagger's mechnics are easy to figure out.
long wharf
I've seen it happen nearly every mission I run with it
quartz barn
im usually in the 600k because i rarely dump in hordes
lethal lagoon
I dunno, I don't put a lot thought into it.
I spam RMB and yell at things.
I'm honestly too lazy to edge like half the time.
and there's just something satisfying about quelling to 0
spice veldt
edging happens naturally to me cuz i don't want to wait around quelling
so i just do stuff -> quell as much as i need to so i don't explode -> do more stuff
lethal lagoon
But it's like a "hssss aaaaaah" when you quell to 0
supple dock
I wanna like surge staff but I'd have to abuse blitz cancel to make it good enou...
Blitz cancelling the surge is a luxury you afford when you've gotten comfortable enough with the staff that you can fit more things in to do. But without it it's still a mega strong staff
lethal lagoon
Let's be honest, most blitz cancelers just use a macro
I don't like using macros for uninteded mechnics
supple dock
I do it manually because it feels like straight up cheating otherwise
long wharf
to 1 enemy at a time
lethal lagoon
It's the synergy with creeping flames
wild night
Blitz cancelling?
lethal lagoon
1 enemy which can trigger PC
spice veldt
i think it's manually more practical if you have it setup such as with blitz/weapon on thumb-row keys (Z, X, C, V) and you have dodge on shift, which lets you do stuff and blitz cancel on the move
lethal lagoon
which stacks with shrieks
spice veldt
mostly a keybinding issue
long wharf
meanwhile, void will do better damage to multiple enemies
lethal lagoon
And is very fast and lets you play super aggressive
Void does not let you play anywhere near as aggressive as surge
long wharf
anything can proc PC, so that's a non-sequitor
lethal lagoon
I wonder if the hot and cold takes on surge are just a difference in gameplay style.
Cause I play straight up crack head inch from death style
Void is just too slow for my playstyle and I sometimes forget I can't just charge at a group of ranged enmies
And No, I don't use EE on surge
analog agate
My keyboard allows me to bind 2 actions to a key. So I just bind it to R and I can act like I am quell canceling with the surge
long wharf
I don't use a staff to charge at enemies, that's what assail is for
long wharf
honestly, I want the OG surge staff back
analog agate
Why
long wharf
because it was incredibly good?
analog agate
Smite is a better version of it
long wharf
nope.
lethal lagoon
Nah, they are pretty different
Old surge is kinda like a "bomb smite"
If you will
And of course it did tons of damage to metal-types
analog agate
Yeah I remember it would take out flak well
lethal lagoon
If they ever rework smite, I would like surge to go back to 3-4 targets, but everything else the same.
long wharf
it also staggered muties out of their charge
calm sapphire
If it's feeling bad to you, are you edging? Are you spamming shriek enough? Are ...
I only have issues with surge staff when I'm having too much fun edging on maelstrom that I can sometimes get very distracted when things get crazy.
supple dock
I hover at 60% instead of 80%
lethal lagoon
I mean you just kinda used it
long wharf
be as loud as you want
long wharf
everyone enjoys a screamer
supple dock
not as strong but surge is wildly expensive
lethal lagoon
I only do hardcore edging when I'm using the best surge in the game.
Mostly cause staying at 60 just isn't possible with this thing
calm sapphire
not as strong but surge is wildly expensive
Tbh trauma blaze gets the worst out of me when edging
long wharf
the biggest problem with surge is that you can't kill most elites with a single full charge secondary
supple dock
Tbh trauma blaze gets the worst out of me when edging
If you're animation cancelling yeah I can see it lmao
analog agate
Yeah, it is luck based
long wharf
which feels incredibly bad when you're only hitting one enemy for full damage and tickling a second
lethal lagoon
the biggest problem with surge is that you can't kill most elites with a single ...
That's what the offshoot is for
analog agate
Hence why animation canceling feels better on it
lethal lagoon
You attack the elite/guy right next to the almost dead elite
long wharf
I don't play with animation cancelling
supple dock
You attack the elite/guy right next to the almost dead elite
lmb works too tho
long wharf
I fully understand that it's a part of the game, but I don't enjoy it
analog agate
It doesn’t. But it makes it feel better (like when it was buffed with EP)
lethal lagoon
Plus you need healthbars to finish things off with LMB or it's crazy annoying
I don't like gameplay that REQUIRES mods.
Even if I do enjoy mods
calm sapphire
Even if I do enjoy mods
Numeric ui just too good
spice veldt
i'm an enlightened matchmaking enjoyer
lethal lagoon
analog agate
It annoys me they haven’t introduced mod features into the game like v2
lethal lagoon
Do you mean modded realm?
Oh like when they added pick up collections like the scoreboard mod had?
And then literally everyone hated it?
I think they learned their lesson
analog agate
No. Like they added popular mods into the base game
long wharf
It annoys me they haven’t introduced mod features into the game like v2
don't worry, in another year or so, we'll get more
analog agate
At least I enjoyed it 🤷♂️
calm sapphire
No. Like they added popular mods into the base game
Better melk 
long wharf
I think Sour Milk is here to stay
the latest devblog showed the devs are doubling down on the RNG nature of gear acquisition
lethal lagoon
Wasn't it the opposite?
calm sapphire
the latest devblog showed the devs are doubling down on the RNG nature of gear a...
New crafting system has no rng tho?
long wharf
reread the devblog
Sour Milk, armory, Hadron, they're all staying the way they are
same with emperor's gifts
analog agate
Ya, I like it
long wharf
they're adding a weapon type XP progression for each weapon type so that we have a reliable way of unlocking perks and blessings over time
calm sapphire
the latest devblog showed the devs are doubling down on the RNG nature of gear a...
Base rng isn't so bad since your pretty much set once u find a good base
long wharf
honestly, Sour Milk should be reworked
remove Milkies and have him give crafting mat rewards
upper sun
melk did his part he can fuck off now
upper sun
i got stupid amounts of blessings
lethal lagoon
i got stupid amounts of blessings
MFW you quit 1 week after the update cause you already grinded everything and feel empty inside with your full mastery bars
lethal lagoon
long wharf
the rest of the game isn't changing
upper sun
MFW you quit 1 week after the update cause you already grinded everything and fe...
my sibling in the emperor a chaxe and a shield were the only two weapons i crafted in like 500 hours
lethal lagoon
upper sun
I only play this game for the thrill of self improvement
vagrant furnace
The game needs more a chaos wastes style game mode than a crafting rework
upper sun
crafting update is about 9 months too late for me
long wharf
crafting update will help retain new players
calm sapphire
The game needs more a chaos wastes style game mode than a crafting rework
Just new enemies, more weapons, more maps would be great
long wharf
it'll also bring in a bunch of new players who will stick around longer than the previous wave/update
calm sapphire
it'll also bring in a bunch of new players who will stick around longer than the...
Doesn't do any favors for returning players tbh
long wharf
itemization is the #1 reason why players don't stick around
long wharf
Doesn't do any favors for returning players tbh
it was never going to
and isn't actually targetted at current players
upper sun
crafting update will help retain new players
and piss a lot of people off once blazing spirit and brutal momentum get removed
long wharf
oh, I have no doubt about FartShart's ability to piss players off with bad dev decisions
that's been happening since release.
calm sapphire
and piss a lot of people off once blazing spirit and brutal momentum get removed
Hmm maybe change the meta since some weps have reigned supreme for so long
upper sun
I feel bad for the 4 people that play blazing trauma neither the staff nor the blessing will survive after august
long wharf
you mean October
FartShart is currently on a month vacation (again)
they're going to need at least another two months to spin back up to full dev speed
analog agate
Trauma being nerfed to the ground would cause me to leave. I have only stayed because of love the gameplay with trauma. I can leave blazing spirit
calm sapphire
FartShart is currently on a month vacation (again)
I'm not surprised if they'd be getting holidays every other weekend tbh
calm sapphire
they're Swedish
Me look at FS 
Me look at Arrowhead
long wharf
I hear Arrowhead is having some issues recently
screwing up their game balance, or somesuch
lethal lagoon
They've been having issues since their very first major patch, it's just the "lore" of the game was soo good it covered up a lot of problems.
And then sony pulled a dick move.
But the thing is, even during the sony stuff, player count was at the same steady decline it had been since it's peak
Honestly beyond balance, there's just literally nothing to do at end-game.
long wharf
lethal lagoon
Really even just the true level mod is huge. for retention. They could easily implement presitge stuff.
long wharf
Sony pulling their BS was a major misstep
lethal lagoon
You can't find it on the graph because it matches the normal decline
So it really didn't matter.
formal acorn
once they add the new enemy faction the player count is gonna skyrocket again
long wharf
but Sony, being Japanese, is very naturally completely out of touch with players as a whole
they saw HD2 player numbers and figured everyone'd be happy getting tied to PSN
or that enough people would do it to effectively not matter how many didn't
lethal lagoon
Sony absolutely wants to get PC player to pay for a memebership, that's the end-stage goal
long wharf
yep
lethal lagoon
During all the sony stuff, playercount literally didn't change.
I think most people actually didn't care
But enough did to be reallllly loud about it
calm sapphire
Really even just the true level mod is huge. for retention. They could easily im...
Make penance system more enticing yes
quartz barn
crafting update wont retain new players, its way too late for that
lethal lagoon
Yeah, I mean there is a lot of low effort stuff they could do to make the game more engaging.
long wharf
crafting update wont retain new players, its way too late for that
this is very wrong
quartz barn
how is it wrong lol
long wharf
there are new players coming to the game in a slow but steady trickle
quartz barn
new players care about progression and levels
long wharf
when the update drops, lots of people will check it out
calm sapphire
Yeah, I mean there is a lot of low effort stuff they could do to make the game m...
Give me dwarf subclass please 🙏
quartz barn
thats not retaining new players
long wharf
new players care about progression, absolutely
not being able to play with the weapons you want to is a barrier for the more casual players
quartz barn
the crafting update is a qol update for already existing players
long wharf
most players don't get every class to 30 then quit
lethal lagoon
Give me dwarf subclass please 🙏
I wouldn't call that low-effort, I also think they have to buy gamesworkships micro trasnaction like IP to get dwarves for 40k.
quartz barn
new players dont even have the resources for gear
lethal lagoon
I would actually say the problem is a lot of players just never even get to 30
long wharf
the crafting update is a qol update for already existing players
that's not what the real effects will be, though
analog agate
If combined with streamers/youtubers it could. Too bad they couldn’t get SkillUp or Jake Baldino to visit it again
lethal lagoon
Helldivers 2 absolutely got boosted hard by all the streamers playing it.
It went crazy for a while
No big streamer seemed to like Darktide despite being a similar game
long wharf
Helldivers 2 was fun to play and watch on release
lethal lagoon
I think it just lacks the same charm
long wharf
Darktide doesn't have anywhere near the "charisma" of Helldivers 2
quartz barn
it was because darktide was straightup incomplete at launch
lethal lagoon
They never had a chance to get to the incomplete parts
That doesn't matter
It just lacked gravitas
No one wants to be space janitors
quartz barn
they actually did tho?
analog agate
Yep. Launch was bad. Rewatch SkillUps review snd he loved it. But launch was shit
quartz barn
remember how the only thing that worked was the paid shop
crafting didnt even exist lol
lethal lagoon
Oh I don't watch youtube streams, is he a big streamer?
I'm talking like 5k-10k viewer avg minimum when I say "big"
analog agate
He doesn’t stream but is a big reviewer.
lethal lagoon
Well that's obviously different lmao
analog agate
I bet getting cohhcarnage could bring in people again. Possibly. I honestly don’t know popular streamers who do these coop games
long wharf
so, looking at historical player numbers
vagrant furnace
Space marine will get some 40k hype as well as the next Total War 40k and even then, the amazon stuff will come out, there is a decent chance Darktide will get a second surge of players someday
lethal lagoon
I dunno, my biggest issue in darktide versus helldivers 2, is you straight up felt like you were doing important things in helldivers.
long wharf
Helldivers 2 took roughly 3 months from peak to what's about average today
lethal lagoon
Yeah you were cannon fodder for a corrupt regime(same thing honestly)
But you felt important
long wharf
Darktide did that in 2 months
quartz barn
not sure how you can compare these two in terms of player average
darktide's playerbase is a lot smaller
long wharf
Helldivers 2 took nearly 4 months, if you want to get a little more precise
it's not about absolute numbers
but relative player retention
quartz barn
yes it is?
long wharf
no, it isn't
lethal lagoon
100k versus 400k, not counting playstation of course.
So it's in the same degree I'd say
calm sapphire
Space marine will get some 40k hype as well as the next Total War 40k and even t...
It's a matter of when but I do hope that FS can also improve player retention too
analog agate
Darktide will get a boost from ps5 release too
long wharf
and guess what? that release is going to be after the crafting rework
analog agate
Yep lol
long wharf
FartShart knows the crafting rework has to be in place before the next platform release
lethal lagoon
Yeah, they always bring back the main team to work alongside the 1 dev updating this game in time for a cross-platform release.
calm sapphire
and guess what? that release is going to be after the crafting rework
Didn't space marine 2 get delayed?
long wharf
because the crafting rework is not about current players but future player retention
no clue, I have it on my wishlist
I'm not sure if I'll get it on release day yet, though
analog agate
Yeah. It should have already been released
lethal lagoon
Wait are they actually releasing darktide on ps5?
I hope it's crossplay, new players are fun
analog agate
Yeah, dec confirmed it
long wharf
I dislike playing with console players in Darktide
analog agate
Dev*
long wharf
I wish I could turn crossplay off
analog agate
i do as well
calm sapphire
I dislike playing with console players in Darktide
How would u know tho
quartz barn
you can see the symbol next to their name
long wharf
I block console players post-mission if they were terrible
analog agate
Can you use mnk on xbox for this game?
quartz barn
probably
lethal lagoon
Pretty sure
calm sapphire
I block console players post-mission if they were terrible
Don't block so they can be your punching bag when u need to work on penances again
long wharf
I highly doubt we're going to see another penance rework
there's no good reason for one
quartz barn
we just need new mission updates after the craftening
maybe add a new class/character
long wharf
we actually have a decent number of missions now
calm sapphire
we just need new mission updates after the craftening
New enemies
long wharf
the latest round of mission/map updates have been actually good
long wharf
we need better weapon and blessing reworks
analog agate
I fear the future blessings rework won’t be enough
quartz barn
you'll never be able to fix it
they already talked about this with the class rework
because its all about skills like crit, toughness % and cooldown now
analog agate
I also really want another faction. But… if it is like the beastmen, fuck that
calm sapphire
because its all about skills like crit, toughness % and cooldown now
Wait for the cdr nerfs on psyker just like they did to zealot
quartz barn
wont matter because most cdr comes from elite/special kills
long wharf
there are only a few blessings that actually change how you use the weapon
Infernus and Blazing Spirit
everything else is just "increase power" or "aim for weakspots"
calm sapphire
there are only a few blessings that actually change how you use the weapon
Hammerblow on Crusher
long wharf
doesn't that just increase impact?
upper galleon
wont matter because most cdr comes from elite/special kills
adding internal cd or limiting per attack (ie if your void bolt cleaves 5 shotgunners, only proc cdr once) please fatshark i'm begging
long wharf
that would be really stupid
almost as stupid as the recent zealot CDR-on-crit nerf that made evi much worse
but that's typical FartShart, they just don't understand their own game well enough to make well-reasoned changes
upper sun
nonono that was a bit much in the first place
you wanna what was bad?
changing chastise from armor downgrade to rending
that legit buffed every single zealot melee except thammer which has a disgustingly bad carapace adm
i pretty much lost a bp
if i wanna use carapace instead of flak on it it becomes unusable
wind spruce
HOLY SHIT. I JUST SAW THE BLOG. PSYKERS ARE GETTING ALL THE SHOTGUNS.
long wharf
yup
calm sapphire
you wanna what was bad?
Flamer 
upper galleon
almost as stupid as the recent zealot CDR-on-crit nerf that made evi much worse
Lmao yea getting your ability every 2nd swing was def balanced
upper sun
Flamer <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
reminder that flamer was nerfed because of chastise interactions and now chastise has ranged buff removed and flamer is still nerfed
spice veldt
and running evis on its own merit of being a good generalist weapon
long wharf
I have mixed feelings about more weapons being opened up for more classes
it's going to make balancing them even harder
why not give psykers the plasma gun as well?
upper galleon
Evi was never meant to be a crit weapon for dps, all it did was abuse cdr and made you use shred, now all crit built weapons get the same cdr value per swing
analog verge
flamer got its damage doubled didnt it?
upper galleon
reminder that flamer was nerfed because of chastise interactions and now chastis...
That’s cause flamer is still good at what it does and it’s issue is that it will always be niche when long ranged enemies exist
spice veldt
always the route to make incremental changes as issues pop up, which isn't quite nice with fatshark's pace but it's what it is
analog verge
i mean still poopoo for carapace damage but
upper galleon
flamer got its damage doubled didnt it?
Only the impact damage which was a minor buff
upper sun
That’s cause flamer is still good at what it does and it’s issue is that it will...
flamer is mid
upper galleon
Flamer melts everything below a crusher
upper galleon
flamer is mid
It’s niche it has infinite cleave and melts elite packs and hordes
supple dock
flamer was MASSIVELY buffed, the POWER on it was doubled
upper sun
ammo hungry and slows down the gameplay because of the 94 year long switch time
upper galleon
the issues is long range enemies and being practically forced to path to throwing knives,
supple dock
And the mechanic with flamer is that the longer you hold the flamer out the more power you get
upper galleon
ammo hungry and slows down the gameplay because of the 94 year long switch time
It’s extremely ammo efficient
Besides thick elite packs, you should be doing short alt fire bursts
spice veldt
it's just tempting to hold down the button for the most damage over the shortest time and so that your teammates can't get kills
but the flamer can be made plenty efficient
upper galleon
And the swap speed, no different then bolter
spice veldt
even if you're just spamming that, it's no issue if you're looting some amount
upper sun
flamer is just a buff for knives 
upper galleon
but the flamer can be made plenty efficient
Okri did a whole thing on flamer efficiency, just takes self control
Flamer is just designated niche and buffing numbers wont help besides making it more divisive
calm sapphire
Flamer is just designated niche and buffing numbers wont help besides making it ...
Buff ammo capacity plz 🙏
upper galleon
Buff ammo capacity plz 🙏
It’s already efficient
spice veldt
flamer was MASSIVELY buffed, the POWER on it was doubled
the patch notes use the in-code meaning of power which is just damage as far as i understand it
supple dock
The actual feel of the flamer feels like the stacks reach critical mass at half the ammo
long wharf
power is damage + stagger + cleave multiplier
upper galleon
You spend more ammo for elite packs but that’s the price to pay
long wharf
which is why power is so much better than damage blessings
upper galleon
For horde/ smaller elite packs just have self control and do bursts of alt fire
supple dock
It prolly does the same amount of overall damage, but the immediate damage it's REALLY buffed
calm sapphire
For horde/ smaller elite packs just have self control and do bursts of alt fire
Purgatus users
spice veldt
i'm not referring to the power as we understand it from blessings and whatnot
supple dock
yeah though the patch notes refer to *power distribution*
right right
Well, at the VERY leasty
supple dock
It FEELS like the burn stacks become effective faster
upper galleon
Purgatus users <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Yea purge users, just hold it down, they got higher max stacks and don’t have ammo to worry about, plus you want peril anyways for venting and buffs
long wharf
burn damage does stack up damage faster than soulblaze
on top of that, bosses has innate warp resistance
upper galleon
Isn’t purge max stacks 31 while flamer max stacks is 16?
long wharf
I don't recall
spice veldt
purg and flamer have the same limit scaling with the burn stat
long wharf
you're right on soulblaze capping at 31
spice veldt
you can reach higher stacks of burn such as with ogryn's ult
well, i think ogryn's ult is the only way as far as i remember currently
both soulblaze and burn have the same unyielding adm
spice veldt
analog verge
looks like they're taking the same damage
long wharf
oh? interesting, I wasn't watching the numbers
I very clearly remember an early patch that mentioned upping the warp resistance on monstrosities
I wonder if that got reverted somewhere along the line
long wharf
https://streamable.com/o3k7ol
can you do the same test but with Beast of Nurgle and Chaos Spawn?
viscid heath
Is blast radius important on a voidstrike staff?
hardy raft
Isn’t purge max stacks 31 while flamer max stacks is 16?
both 15
only reason psyker doing 31 shinanigans is with perilous combustion
(totally not op i swear)
long wharf
purge is capped at 15, but soulblaze itself goes up to 31
hardy raft
reason why some of them can reach 16 is that it crits on 14 stacks so it adds 2 stacks
unreal wasp
Finally realized what Flaming Shriek Illisi Psyker feels like
Firebrand Guardian from Guild Wars 2
Strokin' muh sword till I'm about to blow 
Actually swapped back from DD to WS
I just like being able to set things on fire more often
Since I'm using Shriek a lot, I did swap Unstable Power for Bloodthirsty though
Works out because I follow up the warp heavies with a regular heavy normally anyway
verbal thistle
F (big)
unreal wasp
I don't blow up too often
tired estuary
have you tried looking at the big red number
verbal thistle
I don't have a monitor
unreal wasp
I might blow up like every third or fourth mission because I get a group of Crushers/Maulers on me and I panic use warp heavies too much
unreal wasp
Even though what'd probably be best is preemptively use Shriek and just Brain Burst spam
supple dock
can't stagger crushers unless you're at 85% peril
keep that in mind
or if it isn't at 85% it's definitely at a higher charge of like 60+
unreal wasp
For Shriek or Illisi?
lucid terrace
Blowing up does damage to bosses
abstract arch
do you guys see the elites
supple dock
also keep in mind that venting shriek doesn't interrupt your actions
lucid terrace
Do you see the elites
verbal thistle
The grogging elites
abstract arch
tough gust
veteran is hardest class not psyker
unreal wasp
Ah, mainly meaning that preemptively using Shriek to activate Kinetic Resonance and Becalming Eruption to machinegun Brain Ruptures
lucid terrace
We are an elite-free community 🚫
analog verge
vet is hardest class?
unreal wasp
I'm not against that opinion, Psyker is pretty fucking easy
supple dock
Ah, mainly meaning that preemptively using Shriek to activate Kinetic Resonance ...
yee, also an option. Just making sure you're aware of all of them. You have many and all of them are important to utilize 😄
verbal thistle
veteran is hardest class not psyker
analog verge
i'll level with you i suck ass big-time and even i can clear auric maelstrom back to back with vet
unreal wasp
At the same time I'm playing health relic melee psyker so maybe that's easier than other builds 
spiral moth
lucid terrace
I'm pretty good on psyker, yall should be good like me
Smite + bubble
Follow the meta 💪
narrow herald
I'm pretty good on psyker, yall should be good like me
Smite + bubble
with gun
unreal wasp
Why put a bubble around myself when I can shout profanity at shooters and they take 10d8 psychic damage
unreal wasp
yee, also an option. Just making sure you're aware of all of them. You have many...
Also good to know because I was generally revving up to 100% 
Funniest thing to do is just revving up Peril, lining up the group of 20 shooters in the distance and pressing F because the range on applying Soulblaze stacks is actually pretty damn huge
On the funny train defense mission it reaches all the way from the train to that raised catwalk parallel to it
supple dock
Funniest thing to do is just revving up Peril, lining up the group of 20 shooter...
Just a little huge
unreal wasp
supple dock
Also it goes through walls
And has a static Z axis so aiming up and down doesn't change anything
unreal wasp
And has a static Z axis so aiming up and down doesn't change anything
Have any amount of verticle angle or is it just like a flat horizontal plane?
Nah what am I saying
I know it has a verticle angle
Otherwise I wouldn't be setting the people on that catwalk on fire as I mentioned before
mellow dock
anyone got an OP smite build?
lavish glade
Uh shoot lighting and win
supple dock
Have any amount of verticle angle or is it just like a flat horizontal plane?
It's pretty much a cone
of course it's more complicated than that
but you get the idea. goes high goes (kinda) low (havent had too much luck with it), never changes
mellow dock
what staff to pair with smite?
analog verge
voidstrike's always an option
gives you range
clears out smited enemies if you're not the type to hold it for a minute straight
actually does damage
strong gulch
anyone got an OP smite build?
You are performing the ritual that summons @lethal lagoon.
whispers surge staff
analog verge
surge is good
kind of weird to use but good
i always end up doing 1 more charge than i intend to and blowing up somehow
strong gulch
This other psyker has quite the staff.
analog verge
....
strong gulch
Nexus + flurry for blessings
Flak + maniac/ elite/ crit CHANCE for perks
mellow dock
ty
strong gulch
even unyeilding works
strong gulch
flak is the main one tho. Play around in the meat grinder to see what works better for you.
I prefer maniac as my second perk for more reliable trapper one shots.
Void had more builds. Generally DD keystone is used and true aim talent node is assumed.
So blessings are nexus + surge, flurry + surge, and if you can't get surge flurry + nexus.
lethal lagoon
anyone got an OP smite build?
Surge staff,
Get EP stack, cast RMB Smite, hold till 85%, shriek, keep holding smite.
Ez peasy
strong gulch
There is a guide in the pins called the Atheneum. There is info on what to look for on gear.
But also, do what you like.
lethal lagoon
mellow dock
ty
lethal lagoon
Warning, your brain will cry out for sustenance.
Not because it was overused, but because it has become so lazy all it knows is consumption
mellow dock
So surge is the better staff to use with smite
strong gulch
I mean... that is just a vibe tho.
Smite is good for both, but if you are heavily investing into smite for damage, surge staff is the way to go.
Void does A LOT of damage, so smite is there mainly as a CC tool.
strong gulch
All of them are good.
If by best you mean straight up damage, probably void.
I personally prefer surge staff because aiming hard,
mellow dock
ty
unreal wasp
Man, liking the funny fire scream more and more the more I test it
Apparently it was a good idea to use it to start engagements with shooters because it just oneshots them
verbal thistle
I eated em
lethal lagoon
Man, liking the funny fire scream more and more the more I test it
That was also our thought process as we did a bunch of tests to figure out it was a 3-d warp ice cream cone.
BTW, vertical height affects it, but not vertical POV.
So jumping/crouch = good, looking up or down = does nothing.
What a wild underused ability lmao
unreal wasp
What a wild underused ability lmao
Kind of wild because it's HUGE damage against groups of weak targets
lethal lagoon
I mean if you never test it/aren't told, you probably aren't going to realize that at 85% peril, creeping flames will kill all mobs, ranged mobs, bruisers, and snipers.
unreal wasp
Look at a horde of groaners/poxwalkers, gone
Look at a group of shooters, gone
Look at a group of the basic armored melee boys, gone
unreal wasp
And then it's a 30 second base cooldown
Enforcer voice (praises da Emprah), full armor, beeg sword, bolt pistol, purge the unclean in TRUE holy fire
Actual paladin
unreal wasp
Shia LaBeouf
winter bloom
Meanwhile my psyker looks like patches
cosmic sigil
I had some success with scryer 6d... Is the MK2 a good alternative?
near wyvern
What a wild underused ability lmao
WDYM under used? It's constantly used
lethal lagoon
On this discord? Kinda.
In the actual game? I rarely see judicious use of creeping flames, if at all.
near wyvern
EU auric?
lethal lagoon
NA auric
cosmic sigil
(interestingly I do so much more DMG with a recon than a ciag...)
near wyvern
NA is inferior then
cosmic sigil
On oce auric it's properly used as well
lethal lagoon
Is xbox/gamepass even like a normal thing in EU?
Like, does your parent know what an xbox is?
near wyvern
(interestingly I do so much more DMG with a recon than a ciag...)
Surprise, you do so much more total damage when clearing trash than when taking out strong targets that spawn noticeable less
cosmic sigil
At least I use it. Others are doing the bubble or scryer
lethal lagoon
I dunno, are you sure it's used frequently? Because for me personally, I find it kinda annoying when there's two creeping flame shriek users, so I always notice it.
That's how I know it's rare.
cosmic sigil
Surprise, you do so much more total damage when clearing trash than when taking ...
Nah, I don't shoot horde. I use it against elites with assail.
lethal lagoon
Maybe I finally repped flaming shriek enough to have converted people, I haven't been playing that much these last couple months.
🥹
near wyvern
I dunno, are you sure it's used frequently? Because for me personally, I find it...
On EU I often see either creeping flames or bubble. Double shield is under used and gaze is not much used for a reason.
cosmic sigil
Shooting horse... My god. The heresy.
lethal lagoon
I see bubble the most, followed by shriek(not hot), shields, gaze.
And then finally hot shriek
cosmic sigil
I think I am the only one using double shield with EP br
cosmic sigil
Also. Probably one of five surge user...
near wyvern
I see bubble the most, followed by shriek(not hot), shields, gaze.
Please don't tell me they use the direct damage upgrade instead of flames on shout???
near wyvern
I think I am the only one using double shield with EP br
Kinetic resonance goes brrrr
lethal lagoon
Please don't tell me they use the direct damage upgrade instead of flames on sho...
Neither I assume it's a "Oh no I'm co-" button.
lethal lagoon
Or I mean, I wouldn't notice physical shriek
lethal lagoon
I think I am the only one using double shield with EP br
With the stim it kinda goes so fast it bugs out
lethal lagoon
near wyvern
Neither I assume it's a "Oh no I'm co-" button.
'Muricans, so eager to take on more they can handle
near wyvern
Are warp charges mandatory for bolt pistol?
Yes, also the blessing and perk rolls need to be all 4 correct, so you need 2 of them to roll naturally
@cosmic sigil
cosmic sigil
Damn it's like crafting a rashad on vet. Everything must be perfect.
near wyvern
@cosmic sigil on the video I talk about +maniac +flak but the correct perk combo is +maniac +unarmoured like the one I have, otherwise you can't one shot dreg gunners
patent wing
<@493545801281175552> on the video I talk about +maniac +flak but the correct pe...
besides "fun" factor when playing this gun i dont think its good
it fulfils the same role as assail
it has some boss dmg with bleed but not much
hearty dagger
It's so amazing to see gunkers out in the wild
You have literally 0 rounds and i'm missing a singular bullet for my columnus?
Proceeds to vacuum the entire map of every possible ammo drop
Goddamn they hungry
upper sun
@plucky flax going to respoint is easier than helping downed teammates you were right 🙏
hasty valve
You have literally 0 rounds and i'm missing a singular bullet for my columnus?
So many people are provoked by psyker with a gun
lethal lagoon
Heres how most wipes happen: Idiot goes down, Heroic idiots tries to save them, team cascades into failure.
upper sun
i always thought dropping a medipack on your feet was kinda shitty but does matter if you win
wind spruce
Yes, also the blessing and perk rolls need to be all 4 correct, so you need 2 of...
What breakpoint does 6 warp charges hit that DD doesn't?
hasty valve
They’d literally sabotage for the team by blocking you out of half your kit
upper sun
try leaving 3
upper sun
had to do it on smelter yesterday
finished the mission with 8 deaths
zero for me lmao
hasty valve
had to do it on smelter yesterday
One of the worst end events to go down in
upper sun
no but the final event is
upper sun
One of the worst end events to go down in
ye im like 3-3 on that map lmao
hearty dagger
So many people are provoked by psyker with a gun
I'm not provoked by the psyker having a gun, i'm provoked by the gun psyker eating every possible ammo drop on the map
upper sun
you can get games at anytime in EU
halcyon gust
I'm not provoked by the psyker having a gun, i'm provoked by the gun psyker eati...
One of the reasons why I tend to be 
towards gunkers
No offense to ones that get shit done
Just save some ammo for everyone else
supple dock
One of the hardest lessons to learn is to leave a man behind
i preach this often actually
lethal lagoon
i preach this often actually
I'm sure I could dig up an old discussion we had about it
wind spruce
i preach this often actually
I consider it best practice
lethal lagoon
i preach this often actually
lethal lagoon
Just save some ammo for everyone else
Turns out I was based as fuck 2 years ago
upper sun
"solo clutch" more like playing mirror's edge for 3 minutes in most cases for me
hearty dagger
Just save some ammo for everyone else
Honestly people need to drop the whole "muh ranged psyker optimal" thing
Stop wasting your ammo on shit that you can take out in like 1 hit of melee
halcyon gust
I use a simple staff and my mind
supple dock
hearty dagger
Staffs are great
halcyon gust
I go boom and kill heretics
hearty dagger
Not the biggest fan of them though because of just how fucking stale they are at this point
hardy raft
when are we getting a staff that is shaped like a gun
hearty dagger
We're the fucking magic class, how the hell have we not gotten a single new staff since the game launched?
hardy raft
or are those only reserved for grey knights
wind spruce
when are we getting a staff that is shaped like a gun
It's in game
halcyon gust
Why I use the other classes to mix things up
wind spruce
"Columnus"
hardy raft
i was meaning something that shoots psykic energy as bullets but thats the only thing it does and not secondary bullshit
but sure
wind spruce
halcyon gust
"Columnus"
Don't even use the gun on any of the classes
hearty dagger
i was meaning something that shoots psykic energy as bullets but thats the only ...
Bolt Staff from Vermintide straight up had that, more or less
hardy raft
iknowwwww
hearty dagger
Honestly i'd be down for some real wacky shit
halcyon gust
Vet is usually the MK 2 laspistol or the Helbore 2
Ogryn is whatever flavor of ripper gun I'm in the mood for, Kickback or Grenade gauntlet
hearty dagger
Like straight up drop the staff, and have Ironhand as your second slot
wind spruce
Don't even use the gun on any of the classes
It's bonkers powerful with scriers and DD
halcyon gust
I know it is really powerful
hearty dagger
It's bonkers powerful with scriers and DD
Pros: Bonkers powerful
Cons: Scrier's
halcyon gust
I just find it really boring
lethal lagoon
i was meaning something that shoots psykic energy as bullets but thats the only ...
Secondary?
wind spruce
Pros: Bonkers powerful
Cons: Scrier's
Scriers is awesome
hearty dagger
Scriers is awesome
Scriers feels immensely frustrating whenever i use it.
Also feels weird design wise
halcyon gust
I used Scriers once and once only. Just for the damn challenge to get 40 kills in 1 use and I went back to my shield
wind spruce
Try scriers with duelling sword and columnus, no assail
You can just hide your peril meter
hearty dagger
It's on a strict timer, restricts your loadout (only crazy bastards will use a staff with scrier's), needs setup to be valuable so you're only getting 100% value at the end
hearty dagger
Try scriers with duelling sword and columnus, no assail
I did
Honestly?
Sucked ass
lethal lagoon
wind spruce
hearty dagger
Sure, it nukes monstrosities
hardy raft
Secondary?
give us a staff that is lclick focused
wind spruce
It certainly doesn't suck
hardy raft
:/
hearty dagger
But the problem with that is DS4 already handles bosses amazingly
lethal lagoon
give us a staff that is lclick focused
We have 4
hearty dagger
And sure, Scrier's makes you kill them way faster but that's it
lethal lagoon
hearty dagger
No utility, only damage
hearty dagger
The logic of Scrier's being good is the same as bonkzealot being good
hardy raft
honestly scriar has great self buffs
hearty dagger
Sure, bonkzealot one shots bosses but that's it
hardy raft
movement speed, toughness damage reduction
hearty dagger
In any scenario other than a boss you're gonna wish you had better utility instead of raw damage
hardy raft
other than every elite thrown at you or boss you do wish you had better utility instead of raw damage
which is only spammed with poxwalkers or bruisers
lethal lagoon
Imagine rolling up to the pub lobby, seeing this, and then having a lower scoreboard than them;
halcyon gust
It's fine to be specialize in the art of "Fuck this enemy in particular" but you still need to be able to handle the rest of the shit the game throws at you
lethal lagoon
Wait are people arguing Columbus Scrier's isn't OP as fuck?
hardy raft
meanwhile columnus just can brrrt and half the enemy is dead
wind spruce
In any scenario other than a boss you're gonna wish you had better utility inste...
You're not wrong that the lack of utility is... uh, different
lethal lagoon
hardy raft
im suprised as you are
wind spruce
But it still kicks ass
hardy raft
best CC is death
lethal lagoon
This is a horde game, the only CC is death.
hearty dagger
But it still kicks ass
Yeah, but i always prefer having a shield to thunderdome a boss rather than popping scrier's and then dying instantly to 25 gunners
lethal lagoon
They can play make believe in their little support worlds
But we know what they are
hearty dagger
They can play make believe in their little support worlds
Good smitekers can honestly hard carry a team.
The problem is there's like 5 good smitekers.
wind spruce
Yeah, but i always prefer having a shield to thunderdome a boss rather than popp...
Kill the gunners
hardy raft
how do you die instantly to 25 gunners when you fire your gun and you constantly activate the crit to dodge ranged for 1 second
wind spruce
You have a duelling sword and ridiculous movement speed plus a columnus
hardy raft
unless you get meleed by them sure
lethal lagoon
Good smitekers can honestly hard carry a team.
The only thing bubble smite can carry is a false ego.
hardy raft
but like
lethal lagoon
EP smite shriek can of course carry.
wind spruce
Close. Shoot. Melee. Kill.
lethal lagoon
But it's not a support build.
hardy raft
its a support in a sense
hearty dagger
The only thing bubble smite can carry is a false ego.
I've seen it and used it. It tends to really help when the guy actually knows how to use it.
lethal lagoon
I've seen it and used it. It tends to really help when the guy actually knows ho...
Even if that was factual, he'd be doing 10x more on an actual build.
hearty dagger
Smite can stop a mixed horde in it's tracks and seriously helps with random bullshit go spawns.
Like y'know
25 ragers.
10 crushers.
wind spruce
Bubble smite is absurd. Run smite all you like but for the love of God take shriek.
lethal lagoon
Why stop?
hearty dagger
Usually from the same door.
hardy raft
columnus scriar can just delete said waves
lethal lagoon
How about kill?
hearty dagger
Killing is obviously better.
hardy raft
EP smite vent can delete said waves
hearty dagger
But considering the state of randos in MM
lethal lagoon
That's the main character syndrome talking.
supple dock
But considering the state of randos in MM
EP smite scales inversely with teammate skill
lethal lagoon
If you aren't killing, you aren't carrying
hearty dagger
I'd much rather have the certainty of a stopped enemy than the possibility of a good team.
supple dock
The worse the team is the more impactful it is
hardy raft
even vent EP smite dont have to rely on teammates if you dont risk your position
hearty dagger
The worse the team is the more impactful it is
Yep.
lethal lagoon
Psyker has some of the most effective anti-crusher damage, "stopping" them is not a positive
Even if it feels like one
hardy raft
me when DS4
hearty dagger
Yeah, DS4 fucks.
lethal lagoon
You are just forcing your team to play 3 man while you play "support"
supple dock
wind spruce
supple dock
hearty dagger
Though it's probably going to get spread out to zealot and vet with the expanded weapon families thing happening with the crafting update.
hardy raft
You are just forcing your team to play 3 man while you play "support"
or you're forcing your team to play farming simulator while you play 1 man squad of microwave
supple dock
these videos show the sheer dominance that EP + smite + creepint vent has to offer
wind spruce
https://outplayed.tv/media/wBz8J6
Scriers kills the things
lethal lagoon
these videos show the **sheer dominance** that EP + smite + creepint vent has to...
Sheer dominance of EP smite
hearty dagger
I would rather shove this up where the sun don't shine rather than use EP Creeping Shriek Smite
(Helldiver for scale)
hardy raft
https://outplayed.tv/media/wBz8J6
reason why i use speedload nowdays
lethal lagoon
lethal lagoon
I would rather shove this up where the sun don't shine rather than use EP Creepi...
TBF, I'd rather more psykers run useless smite bubble than OP as fuck EP smite shriek.
Like we are having a theory argument, but in terms of playerbase, broken shit isn't fun for others.
wind spruce
reason why i use speedload nowdays
I shall try that actually
hearty dagger
Like we are having a theory argument, but in terms of playerbase, broken shit is...
Yeah.
wind spruce
But duelling sword wrecks anyway
lethal lagoon
If NA pubs wern't mostly gamepass strugglers, I'd feel guilty running EP smite shriek.
hearty dagger
Honestly everything should get nerfed/adjusted/buffed to the level where no one thing/build can casually destroy everything
supple dock
I switch builds if people seem competent.
so you don't switch builds..?
lethal lagoon
That said I don't run much EP smite shriek nowadays, it's a 1 game and switch type gameplay
hearty dagger
Because then we have situations like:
colpsyker nukes everything with coliag, eats all the ammo
colpsyker fucks up once, dies, and suddenly no one has any ammo to deal with any gunner
hardy raft
microwave
lethal lagoon
so you don't switch builds..?
hardy raft
Because then we have situations like:
colpsyker nukes everything with coliag, ea...
thats issue with him
unless you use brainburst and then only use columnus for every fight one engages in
supple dock
I wonder if anyone here has actually run into my zealot in the wild yet lol
hardy raft
with assail, ammo drops, and DS4 juggling you have enough ammo for the team
hearty dagger
Also, just had a thought.
Every class has something related to bleed except psyker
lethal lagoon
I wonder if anyone here has actually run into my zealot in the wild yet lol
I haven't seen any zealots that get netted in the first minute of the game, no.
wind spruce
Because then we have situations like:
colpsyker nukes everything with coliag, ea...
Yeah, you just lean on the duelling sword
hearty dagger
Ogryn bleeds on heavies, Vet bleeds on every melee hit, Zealot bleeds on Crit
wind spruce
No need to hog ammo
hearty dagger
Pskyer doesn't bleed on shit
hardy raft
Every class has something related to bleed *except* psyker
perilous combustion takes that space
or wildfire
or other soulblaze related activities
hearty dagger
Yeah but those are highly conditional compared to bleed.
calm sapphire
If NA pubs wern't mostly gamepass strugglers, I'd feel guilty running EP smite s...
remember rumbler lucky bullet bug? 
wind spruce
Yeah but those are highly conditional compared to bleed.
Use peril, hit F
hearty dagger
Compared to bleed.
wind spruce
Kill any elite or special.
hardy raft
you are high
hearty dagger
Literally just attack on any other class
lethal lagoon
remember rumbler lucky bullet bug? <:bullied:1159254926086652006>
I remember when they first buffed kickback
hearty dagger
Kill an elite on Psyker
hardy raft
man's high
hearty dagger
Also, i fucking hate PC.
wind spruce
But you apply it all over the place and at range
lethal lagoon
Yeah but those are highly conditional compared to bleed.
I wouldn't call PC conditional in a pub.
hearty dagger
Half the time someone runs it it ends up just flashbanging everyone
lethal lagoon
I think a lot of this convo changes when you are playing with people of equal skill
hardy raft
calling PC conditional is like saying psyker's 5% CDR node per elite kill is conditional
wind spruce
calling PC conditional is like saying psyker's 5% CDR node per elite kill is con...
Why doesn't it just apply on attack
Too conditional
supple dock
i want a talent that gives a 2% chance to generate a knife on crit for zealot
hardy raft
like unless you actually build for piety/shred you probably get more benefit out of PC than scourge lmfao
supple dock
or maybe like a 1% chance
hardy raft
i want a talent that gives a 2% chance to generate a knife on crit for zealot
generate a grenade or something
has like 1m cooldown for grenades and none for knives
hearty dagger
I just realized i am high.
I was thinking oldker where iirc the condition for PC was you had to brain burst an elite
supple dock
would be pretty cool and encourages crits!
calm sapphire
I remember when they first buffed kickback
remember shredder when it was meta?
lethal lagoon
remember shredder when it was meta?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSnm_btS5i...
Actually no, that was around the first time I quit for a while.
I heard legends of it though
hearty dagger
Ngl though Smite does feel like it doesn't reflect the name
calm sapphire
Actually no, that was around the first time I quit for a while.
thats a clip of agent using shredder
hearty dagger
When i hear smite i think something that does big fucking damage to one guy, not a brain powered taser
lethal lagoon
I know?
lethal lagoon
When i hear smite i think something that does big fucking damage to one guy, not...
Lemme be Zeus
hardy raft
remember shredder when it was meta?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSnm_btS5i...
they should really give us legacy darktide
supple dock
Ngl though Smite does feel like it doesn't reflect the name
I think a spear of psychic energy that has high cleave and stuns all it hits in a straight line would be pretty rad
hardy raft
before the patch 13 and all that
calm sapphire
I heard legends of it though
did u ever abuse infinite smite
hearty dagger
I think a spear of psychic energy that has high cleave and stuns all it hits in ...
Honestly that sounds more like what the name smite implies
supple dock
mmhm!
lethal lagoon
did u ever abuse infinite smite <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Nope.
supple dock
I agree
hearty dagger
Tbf my biggest gripe with smite is how it feels
lethal lagoon
upper sun
i wish u had to wait more
lethal lagoon
i wish u had to wait more
hearty dagger
Like sure, smite builds can do some wacky shit like y'all mentioned
lethal lagoon
Suck my glorious moral rightousness.
hearty dagger
But it's just "hehehehaw get tased to death"
wind spruce
When i hear smite i think something that does big fucking damage to one guy, not...
I think about God 
lethal lagoon
I once ran a melee meme psyker build right after playing EP smite shriek.
I straight up just ran headfirst into an Og Gunner and died within the first 5 minutes of the game
I had literally forgotten how the game works.
that's how broken Ep smite shriek is
calm sapphire
<:PepeDent:968587665056337960>
make a new warp bomb blitz for psyker and replace bb with it
hearty dagger
Y'know what smite really needs to be a good blitz?
Significantly beefier sound effects.
calm sapphire
Y'know what smite really needs to be a good blitz?
smite is too brain dead
lethal lagoon
I wanna fire a lightning bolt with a zoooorp sound effect.
wind spruce
Can we all just revel in this for a second
PC isn't broken, what you talking about
calm sapphire
I wanna fire a lightning bolt with a zoooorp sound effect.
just imagine if they combine surge staff into smite left click
hearty dagger
https://outplayed.tv/media/eQO85k
2 wounds
NO VIGOR???
wind spruce
That's a nice wound you have there
lethal lagoon
That big open round circle room in that intro of the map can be brutal
I mean that is where I got my EP smite braindead clip from
wind spruce
Also my assail weaving there... fucking impeccable
lethal lagoon
But wound
wind spruce
Single digit frames
lethal lagoon
hearty dagger
Wait
wind spruce
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Eata my bum bum
hearty dagger
Does soulblaze get affected by Perfect Timing?
wind spruce
Does soulblaze get affected by Perfect Timing?
Yes
hearty dagger
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
So
I was under the assumption that DoTs just don't get affected by shit like PT
lethal lagoon
You just reminded me of the most dumb conversation I ever had on this discord
I still think I got trolled.
I really can't tell
I almost just hope.
wind spruce
I was under the assumption that DoTs just don't get affected by shit like PT
Every dot is affected by pretty much every damage multiplier
Soulblaze, bleed and burn all scale with talents like warp rider, DD, warp charges, scriers, etc.
Oh and weapon blessings
wind spruce
Oh god
lethal lagoon
God can't save you now
wind spruce
No creeping flames
lethal lagoon
hearty dagger
I long for a shockmaul blessing that gives critchance
wind spruce
God can't save you now
That's because he can see my thoughts
lethal lagoon
Imagine coming onto a specilized class discord and posting that build thinking it's good
lethal lagoon
No creeping flames
no perfect timing