psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

i love the hobo psyker upper

[upper sun]

yeah Y for WHY AM I DOING THIS

[cinder moon]

i actually can't stand it when people are dressed in rags, i am CONSTANTLY mistaking them for enemies

[mental grail]

usually the test fit

[upper sun]

i wore yellow until i finished my penances as you should

[mental grail]

I relegated the drip jacket to reserve status once I got more penance gear

I hated dressing in rags

[cinder moon]

i had a rag teammate in a match recently and i kept looking away from actual threats to take swings/shots at them

because they'd be right next to me in the corner of my eye

[upper sun]

rags are cannon for zealots

[cinder moon]

setting off "boutta get backstabbed" alarms

[upper sun]

lmao

someone got pavlov-ed

[ornate hamlet]

is that the ragmans fault or yours

[cinder moon]

i'm gonna blame ragman

[mental grail]

I looked at the fashion for each class back when I first bought the game and picked psyker solely for the drip and no other reason

[ornate hamlet]

you know atleast you stick to it

[cinder moon]

it's bad enough that some ogryn cosmetics make them look like bulwarks

[ornate hamlet]

respect

screw ragman

imma go dress in rags now

[upper sun]

bruh worst one was when an ogryn teammate spawned ontop of me and i only saw the twin gun

i thought it was a reaper i almost shat myself

[cinder moon]

i don't get why you would want to look like a heretic; at best, you're a heretic, at worst you're trolling teammates

[ornate hamlet]

exactly

[upper sun]

its not their fault most vet cosmetics look like the enemy

[mental grail]

i can't even blame them, ogryn fashion is in such a bad spot that I would rather mistake my big guys for reapers than have them wearing a sack and a cracked helmet

[cinder moon]

ogryn fashion is second only to psyker

[mental grail]

Only if you have certain tastes

[ornate hamlet]

from a certain point of veiw

[cinder moon]

the shop having shitty rotation just makes a lot of people use the boring penance/commissary gear

[ornate hamlet]

i have yet to buy premium cosmetics

[cinder moon]

like, nobody's gonna mistake me for a bulwark

[ornate hamlet]

proceeds to unload plasma into your head

[mental grail]

if you don't like the really narrow fashion lineups of "looking like a bulwark" or "ogryn rambo" you're SOL

[cinder moon]

i'll just assume you were aiming at something beyond me

[ornate hamlet]

i mean with how bad i can aim at times, i might by accedent do something useful

[cinder moon]

i will admit the psyker cape got me mixed up a bunch of times when it was new, and i thought a sniper somehow got in close

[mental grail]

I bought the primaris leathers with microsoft credits (aka not even my money) and haven't spent anything else since september lol

fromshark would rather die than open a catalogue

[ornate hamlet]

my excuse is im unemployed and 10 miles from town without a car

[mental grail]

real

[cinder moon]

fr, i've been sitting on my aquilas since september

[mental grail]

is this why people keep shooting me? I run that cape somewhat often

[cinder moon]

good bet

[ornate hamlet]

huh so its a skill issue

[cinder moon]

[mental grail]

unfriendly fire seemed to drop off when I switched to the capeless poverty shirt

[cinder moon]

can't really blame people for having twitch reflexes when this game will drop a poxburster on you in 0.2 picoseconds from behind a door with no audio

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but now your less dripy, let them waste ammo

your style is more important

[mental grail]

the second they release the imperialis gear again is the fatshark gets my coins

[cinder moon]

i'm too much of a warhammer newb to know what that is

i'm just here to slay heretics

[mental grail]

The red/gold brocade coat

[ornate hamlet]

eh too luxurious for my taste but not bad looking not at all

[potent echo]

Ah yes the real red gold set

It's 3 different pieces

[mental grail]

I would settle for the green version

I just like any psyker set that even remotely has cloth physics

[cinder moon]

ah, the magikarp shroud

[ornate hamlet]

Damn I want that head piece

i will never unsee it

thank you

i will for now on call anyone wearing that a fish

[mental grail]

maybe it looks better from a different angle

hmm

needs more research

[ornate hamlet]

doesnt matter forever fish

[mental grail]

dammit knite

I'm blaming you for this

[ornate hamlet]

he didnt make you a fish he just noticed

[strong gulch]

Now that terrible magikarp song is stuck in my head.

[mental grail]

you wouldn't have noticed until knite spoke his slanderous words

[ornate hamlet]

eh, nah it would of ended up in a meme post eventually

[lethal lagoon]

You gotta wear the whole thing

[ornate hamlet]

so we got clown and fish

psyker drip slowly becoming less apealing

[lethal lagoon]

I'm down for crazy pychopathic clown psyker with a great ass.

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

i need to get the leather jacket next time it pops up

[cinder moon]

[ornate hamlet]

praise be

the speaker of fish

[strong gulch]

And a moth

[tired estuary]

"next time it pops up" got some bad news there

[ornate hamlet]

eh that one isnt as bad

but yeah

the fish one is on the nose

[lethal lagoon]

Do you mean this one?

[ornate hamlet]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

It's a crowd favorite.

[ornate hamlet]

that upper

its drippy

[lethal lagoon]

I like re-color too, different vibe.

Or rather the original

the black is the recolor

[ornate hamlet]

that one looks like something you would see in star trek

not a nock

but a vibe

[lethal lagoon]

I get a scholar vibe from it, just need different pants/hat

[strong gulch]

My alt who I leveled for the yellow shirt.

[ornate hamlet]

i got the green shirt...

[lethal lagoon]

I never checked, but can you change gender?

Cause you can change basically everything other than gender now?

So at least 1 of my psyker alts is still worth it

[ornate hamlet]

yes you can

for the low price of 50k dockets you can change gender

man they got real good at that surgery

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

dark elves must of taught em

[lethal lagoon]

I mean great change but I'm still

[strong gulch]

No recovery time. Just money.

[ornate hamlet]

i hope the green icon next to my name never goes away

i will leave and rejoin for it

when it goes

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

wait is that what it does when you click it

thats dumb

[lethal lagoon]

@ornate hamlet

No, it auto @s you

The

Is

All

[ornate hamlet]

eh ok less dumb

[lethal lagoon]

Me

[ornate hamlet]

you got discord nitro

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

😮‍💨

looks more like a smoke break than an exhale

[mental grail]

The jacket is very kino, only recolor I like better than the original

but fatshark is committed to running the slop machine

[mental grail]

I only run facemasks on psykers, the toilet bowl cosmetics are NOT it

the striped pants are funny so they can stay

[ornate hamlet]

I use that ruffed white collar

[lethal lagoon]

The striped pants are peak and I won't be convinced otherwise.

And yeah, the toliet bowl cosmetics are too much lmao

Jacket's really nice from the back too

Peak darktide fashion

[mellow prairie]

are these new

like i know we've seen them before but are they recently re-added to the shop

or are you using previously owned items/the drip mod

[mental grail]

no the jacket ran late in 2023 like september-ish

we're just showing off owned stuff for drip purposes

[lethal lagoon]

We're showing off the things we bought thinking this game was a live service that actually recieved regular updates

[mental grail]

🎉😔

I wish

[lethal lagoon]

UndeadService

[mellow prairie]

😭 I feel you brother

[mellow prairie]

I too, want fashion. But I do not want to spend real life money. Nor do I want any of the items currently in store

I have been window-shopping at that same Clammy Feels skull mask for months now

[shy willow]

@mental grailthere it is above. I have a decent agrip and graia infantry autogun I swap between using. can't decide which is better for me yet

and I have an illisi with deflector and unstable power

[mental grail]

[shy willow]

I used this build to get the warp charges penance

before it was nerfed in the most recent patch

[mental grail]

I usually use ciag, but between those two, I would use graia

All three are servicable

[shy willow]

absolutely

[mental grail]

It's just a toss up whether you prefer controllable recoil vs dps

[shy willow]

I prefered the graia for getting my disrupt destiny penance

[lethal lagoon]

Neither columnus

[shy willow]

lower damage per shot didn't matter with the ridiculous finesse

[lethal lagoon]

Columnus is so overwhelming better it's an objective choice. The gun somehow survived the nerfs to other crit strings.

[mental grail]

agripinaa I find more comfortable than the graia, and way more tolerable than the columnus, but I'm a sucker for dps

[shy willow]

warp charges increased base damage works better with agrip

and my agrip has hit and run, which was great for fighting shotgunners with my paper thin psyker

brain burst for bulwarks

[mental grail]

At some point, you stop worrying about meta and pick the gun you find enjoyable.

I haven't reached that point, but it's there.

[shy willow]

and enemies at far range behind cover

[lethal lagoon]

As long as you acknowledge it's crappy, I'm 100% for that and do that all the time.

I'm quite a fan of staff LMB only meme builds.

[shy willow]

also

the hounds from hunting grounds

don't count for penance kills do they

[lethal lagoon]

For the older penance?

They did for me

I don't know about any of the new penances though

[mental grail]

Tbf, I have taken agrip and graia into auric, so they aren't crappy guns, it's just that columnus is a very good gun.

[shy willow]

I swear I annihilated an entire wave with empowered assail and skilled in psykana didn't move at all

[mental grail]

Specialists and elites.

I did it with EP brain rupture abd it was the easiest thing.

Go on any HISTG mission and go wild

In fact, do that with assail, with probably be easier.

[shy willow]

I tried it with assail

killed 250 enemies with assail, only had 74 of them with empowered assail

[mental grail]

If you're still having trouble, hit up a poxhound map. Anything beyond that is a bug, or your own perception being off.

[shy willow]

doesn't matter that much to me, I prefer brain burst

[mental grail]

I hate bb so much lol, we are opposites

[shy willow]

I'll get it very easily with brain burst

haha

[mental grail]

Using it with ep made it tolerable though

The powered up penance legitimately made me hate that blitz

[shy willow]

my brain burst is either there just for bulwarks or saving ammo on tough ranged kills

or I'm doing ep and destroying all elites

[lethal lagoon]

Skilled is pretty easy with EP Smite + shriek

Don't even have to try

[shy willow]

I hate smite more then assail

Which is funny to me

[lethal lagoon]

But there's still a smite penance, might as well do both at the same time

[shy willow]

Because don't get me wrong, I love having a smite psyker on my team

[lethal lagoon]

Nah I hate having smite psykers on my team

99% of them don't understand how to use the skill do no damage

[shy willow]

I usually play vet

when I have a smite psyker on my team

[potent echo]

Smiteker with shield and no EP

[shy willow]

I'm like "FREE KILLSSS"

[lethal lagoon]

Me when I outdamage the plasma vet just using smite

[potent echo]

Pub plasmas don't know what they are doing either

Doing stuff like charging shots

[lethal lagoon]

That's fair

Two low brain power builds enter, only one leaves

[potent echo]

Some don't even know there's a vent button

[shy willow]

lol

so whats the smite build you use?

figure I may as well knock that penance out next then

@lethal lagoon

[lethal lagoon]

This is what I've been running with Surge staff.

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

It's very braindead

[shy willow]

nice

[lethal lagoon]

Grab an EP stack, EP till 85%, shriek, keep holding EP smite till 97%-99%
Whole map other than crushers will basically die if you get a few PC chains going

[wet belfry]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdfLr97nblE&pp=ygUebG9vayBob3cgdGhleSBtYXNzYWNyZWQgbXkgYm95

[lethal lagoon]

50+ ragers 100-0 in 8 seconds

(theoretically, cough cough)

If you end up liking the build, don't run it too often

It will lower your IQ

That is not a joke, it is a warning.

[shy willow]

surge stack is for crit hits I assume

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[shy willow]

surge staff*

and instagibbing elites for ep stacks

[lethal lagoon]

For EP stacks, anti-crusher, and anti-boss.

I'm thinking of rolling a carpace unyielding staff just for this build

[shy willow]

hrm, I do have a decent surge staff I can use

[lethal lagoon]

The build is really flexiable because EP smite is the focus, so don't read into the talent choices too much

You can do basically anything lmao

Just have creeping flames and EP smite

[ornate hamlet]

i hope they release a staff skin that is just a tree branch

big stick

[shy willow]

since I've been playing gunpsyker I don't have any staffs

except for trauma staffs and one purgatus

and voidstrikes

[lethal lagoon]

Just give me my thunder staff already

[shy willow]

Pfft

[ornate hamlet]

no you are not worthy

[shy willow]

Your arms are too weak to carry a thunder hammer

muscles in your brains

not arms

[lethal lagoon]

Guess which patch this staff is from

Or which bug

Only real psykers know

[ornate hamlet]

i cant im a fake oh no

[mental grail]

[lethal lagoon]

Return your psyker card to the authorties within a week.

[mental grail]

back when surge was doing the damage it should

[lethal lagoon]

nope

There's an obvious clue

You also lose your psyker card

[mental grail]

I'm a post patch 13 psyker

I've never had it

[lethal lagoon]

It was post 13

[mental grail]

[shy willow]

put warp nexus on it instead of run and gun?

[lethal lagoon]

🤢

[mental grail]

How the hell do you get a 514 staff

How the fuck does that happen

[lethal lagoon]

The staff knew he was going to put run-n-gun on it so it lowered it's stats ahead of time

[mortal notch]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smite-is-the-worst-blitz-in-the-game/94242

Enjoy

[shy willow]

it came with run and gun!

[mortal notch]

trying to help you guys out!

[shy willow]

I only rerolled whatever stat it used to be to 10 elite

[lethal lagoon]

Bro I love seeing the takes on forums about this game.

[mortal notch]

but this ones real

[wet belfry]

Smoke grenades are probably the worst

[mortal notch]

lol i played ebvery calss to like level 230+

[wet belfry]

Half the time they are trolling me.

[mortal notch]

and this skill

has to be the worst

[lethal lagoon]

Oh you are serious?

[mortal notch]

12000000001204908431092-8431943094812% serious

[shy willow]

smoke grenades aren't terrible

[wet belfry]

Hello yes i would like to reduce the party’s vision - smoke grenade players.

[lethal lagoon]

For reference, I did two t5 aurics and got the penance half way through the second one.

[shy willow]

they're just not good enough

[ornate hamlet]

i just contracted brain rot from that read

[shy willow]

no but seriously, whats wrong with my surge staff?

[mortal notch]

the same one?

[ornate hamlet]

its yours

[lethal lagoon]

The 2500 smite kill penance? yes

[shy willow]

thats rude

my beloved will hear about this

[mortal notch]

weird

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, it's a decent roll

[mortal notch]

i did 2 auric maelstroms completed and got 800kills

and i only spammed smite

my team carried me 100000%

[lethal lagoon]

here's a scoreboard from BEFORE they buffed EP smite. I spammed EP smite the whole game.

[mortal notch]

Oh

yeah its 10x weaker now

hahahaha

it does no damage

[lethal lagoon]

It got buffed...

[ornate hamlet]

O.o

[mortal notch]

No

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[mortal notch]

go in game and do that

now

it does 0 damage

[lethal lagoon]

Did you just come here to troll?

[mortal notch]

specced into psionics too??

[ornate hamlet]

the brain rot

the rot

[lethal lagoon]

yes EP

EP buffed the fuck out of it.

[mortal notch]

OHHH

wait

EP??

[ornate hamlet]

have you looked at the skill tree

[lethal lagoon]

Go run this with a surge staff

[mortal notch]

How does it buff the fuck out of it

i dont use surge staff though

:\

[lethal lagoon]

It's 200% damage plus Shriek extends the cast

use whatever then, it really doesn't matter

[mortal notch]

So you need to kill an elite for a psionic

right?

then you gain a ton of damage with it?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, but generally smite will provide all the stacks you need after you get going

[mortal notch]

...

can you show me a vid please

I spammed smite

and do 0 damage

i get all psionic procs

and do no damage

so you need to explain how this works

[lethal lagoon]

One sec, I'll show you two, one is pre-patch, one is post patch showing how OP it is.

[mortal notch]

Im specced the same way btw

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[shy willow]

I'm testing it in psyk right now

its not bad

[lethal lagoon]

That's my psyker alt btw, in case you are wondering about the true level

[mortal notch]

So youre telling me ... youre force to use venting shriek, and it still takes 9 seconds to kill them....?

Just pure trash dude

[lethal lagoon]

~8~ seconds to kill potentially 50+ elites?

[mortal notch]

when you could just trauma dump them? and still get the gunner bubble for specials/disablers?

[lethal lagoon]

Record yourself killing 10 active ragers in 8 seconds or less

[mortal notch]

two trauam charges does that dude

:\

maybe 4-5 seconds

[shy willow]

I can kill 10 active ragers in 8 seconds or less

[mortal notch]

and you have to sit there channeling for 9 seconds

[shy willow]

... on my vet

[mortal notch]

I can kill 15 in 3 seconds with a charged plasma shot through them all lined up

[wet belfry]

Ah im actually unhappy in visiting the forums

[mortal notch]

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it good

[shy willow]

No but this is actually useful

[lethal lagoon]

Do I need to spend a few minutes populating the map for a good example?

[wet belfry]

I got a response to a post i was hoping would just die.

[lethal lagoon]

There's no universe you are killing this many ragers in 8 seconds with anything other than smite

[shy willow]

Psyker can lock down say, all elites coming in one direction

[ornate hamlet]

the best arguement against smite in this case would be void or assail which could match that but killing a large amount of elites while holding the armored one still is pretty good

[shy willow]

by himself

and kill them

and let the team handle something else

[lethal lagoon]

Smite scales with difficulty, more enemy density = more DPS

[ornate hamlet]

yep

[lethal lagoon]

Some other abilities do this, but smite scales to the point where the game can't spawn any more enemies

Like look man, EP smite shriek is the most braindead no skill build in the game

If you are struggling, I don't know what else to say

[ornate hamlet]

brain rot

[lethal lagoon]

My IQ actively goes down playing it

Like actively, I feel slightly drunk at the end

Drunk with unlimited power

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[shy willow]

I'll def try it out

finished disrupt destiny penance earlier

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, delete your gif you slow laggy man

[shy willow]

no more gunpsyker for me

well, not DD gunpsyker anyway

hate it

[ornate hamlet]

O.o

[fluid skiff]

too easy point and click?

[ornate hamlet]

what did dd do to you

[cinder moon]

creeping vent ep smite is hilarious though

[lethal lagoon]

It trivializes the game.

[ornate hamlet]

it gives everyone second hand brain rot

[fluid skiff]

switch to revolver instead of whatever you were using

[ornate hamlet]

exept trendy he wasnt vibing with it

[wet belfry]

DD, scriers gaze makes me able to run from all my problems.

I approve

[lethal lagoon]

Go visit steam, the unhappiness will balance each other out

[fluid skiff]

but not the good revolver

[bold cape]

so many options for psyker idk what to use
assail wipes lower difficulties but smite looks pretty nutty higher up (also lightning = badass)
gaze is also cool but only has synergy with guns
aaa idk what to build

[ornate hamlet]

bb

[lethal lagoon]

Gaze is nice for melee too and if you hate yourself you can run it with staves

[fluid skiff]

Assail really nice with all keystones, especially with Perfect Timing

[ornate hamlet]

yeah the purg staff generates so little peril its rather comfortable

[upper galleon]

you can go gaze with void staff with transfer peril

[bold cape]

im having a lot of fun with the duelling sword, feel like saltzpyre
i also enjoy the surge staff tho

[upper galleon]

wouldn't go it with purge, wastes most of the bonuses

[lethal lagoon]

Here's the best build staff build for gaze, try it, I promise
#1158835513789272126 message

[ornate hamlet]

no you just go melee and bb the bigger guys

and get alot of value out of ee

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

You get crazy stacks with purg

Plus purg means d4

so crazy pokes

[ornate hamlet]

its not as dumb as it sounds

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't call it dumb,

Just self-loathing

[ornate hamlet]

i like hot fire

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

make fire hotter

[ornate hamlet]

if you want to manage peril better try it with the deimos

the ability to quell with your melee helps a decent bit

[bold cape]

bonus points if a build is good without me having to get certain blessings or similar through crafting

[lethal lagoon]

I think that's literally only EP smite

[bold cape]

unfortunate

[ornate hamlet]

assail

basically is a staff in its own right

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, can't really main assial anymore.

[ornate hamlet]

so mix in some sword play and any staff, grey surge

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you CAN run any build with greys

[ornate hamlet]

not fun

[lethal lagoon]

But it's not the same as saying it's "good" with greys

[ornate hamlet]

eh i was told a build that didnt require specific blessings and smite was taken

[bold cape]

im not really looking to go above heresy for a while probably, so it doesnt have to be meta
havent gotten a class to lv30 yet anyway

[lethal lagoon]

Oh are you asking for a build

[bold cape]

i played cata in vt2 but i honestly cannot be assed to fuck with this crafting system

[bold cape]

would be nice yea

[lethal lagoon]

What level?

[bold cape]

im only at 15 atm

just started psyker

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I mean I'd just experiment.

Uhhh If you are tired of Assial I can recommend something though

[mental grail]

I somewhat drop builds that require certain blessings

I'm kinda broke

[bold cape]

yeaa fair
assail has been getting me top of the scoreboard even with lv30s
but it has gotten sort of boring

[mental grail]

Yeah

[ornate hamlet]

yeah thats because it is boring

auto aim

[mental grail]

Until you hit damnation assail will hard carry

unless you have literally no carapace options

[bold cape]

i suck at aiming so its nice to have, but boring cause it almost replaces my weapons

[lethal lagoon]

hide in shield and spam BB, can also go double shields on the left for more BB action.

[mental grail]

Before it was nerfed it literally was just a 3rd gun

[bold cape]

ill try bb, but i used soulstealer a lot on necro in vt2 so its kinda old lmao

[mental grail]

I know this because I was a newbie assail psyker back when 13 just released, super easy

[lethal lagoon]

For surge staff

[mental grail]

make sure you path EP for brain burst

[lethal lagoon]

Shriek will kill all horde, bruisers, and ranged mob on t5(and probably some elites on t3/4)

[mental grail]

Warp charge brain burst is meh kinda and default BB sucks anus

[lethal lagoon]

Make sure you cast it at 85% or higher peril though

[mental grail]

👆

[ornate hamlet]

[mental grail]

Having multiple peril sources is very good for this, especially with warp charges

With purge, smite/force sword and warp charges, its very easy to set up a chain of wildfire

[bold cape]

thanks, ill try this :)
whats the playstyle on this btw? like, when should i be using my smite/ability?

[lethal lagoon]

Spam Surge right click, use flaming shriek on big groups at 85% peril.

Use smite as a "oh shit" button.

[mental grail]

👆

[lethal lagoon]

If you spec into Empowered Psconics, you can change to smite focus.

So get EP stack, Cast EP smite till 85%, Shriek, Keep holding Smite.

But I don't recommend that for leveling

[mental grail]

ep smite is a mix of cc/damage and can be used more offensively

base smite is a backup and is used to save your ass mostly

[lethal lagoon]

This is what the build looks like at lvl 30 with a Surge Staff focus.

[bold cape]

awesome
ill probably use this for a while, then i wanna try out a gun psyker with scriers gaze

[ornate hamlet]

become menace

lvl 15 because ur limited

[mental grail]

[ornate hamlet]

oh this is for purg

lmao

wrongt one

still a menace

[mental grail]

I will provide resources at that time sibling

[bold cape]

thank you

just saving all this stuff lmao

[bold cape]

should i be waiting for my surge to charge or just spam it as soon as its ready?

[lethal lagoon]

You learn over-time, based on enemy type. For full health Elites it'd be a full charge.

For brusiers and ranged mob partial charges.

Just play around with it

But like for a boss or a crusher or something, you should be full charging

[bold cape]

alrighty, thats what i thought

[mental grail]

blowing myself up with surge because I overcharged was a learning experience

[bold cape]

i love the duelling sword animations, and dodge dancing stuff with it is amazing

[lethal lagoon]

Poking crushers in the head with D4...

[bold cape]

i wonder what this thing is like if you get good shit on it

i was pretty deadset on zealot as an unga bunga melee enjoyer but psyker has some cool shit

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/ratto-nazrin-rat-flat-flat-rat-gif-21649436

me trying to square up my ds4 into crushers when i'm still frame hitching

not my best moment

[lethal lagoon]

You 3 shot crushers on t5

[bold cape]

thats fucked

im 5 shotting on malice rn

[lethal lagoon]

pokey poke

[bold cape]

mods have significantly improved my experience in this game as well
im so happy they changed their stance on mods from vt2

no more waiting potential months for mods to be sanctioned

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, I wouldn't have a tenth of the hours I have without mods

[bold cape]

at first i only had a couple things like scoreboard and healthbars
but now ive installed a few hud mods and weapon customization
so very epic

[upper galleon]

There is a 2 shot breakpoint that is insanely hard to reach

I do know the first step is to have perfect 80 stats and cara elite

[lethal lagoon]

I love weapon customs lmao

[lethal lagoon]

I think you need to double crit for that, unless you mean scrier's.

[bold cape]

one thing i realized about it is you can put zoomed scopes on shit
which seems absolutely amazing but also sort of cheaty lmao

[bitter mason]

i got this pretty sick purgatus staff, thinking about replacing terrifying barrage with focused channeling, what do you guys think?
keeping the flames going without interruption sounds nice on paper, but i feel like terrifying barrage might be enough to keep me covered anyway, kind of torn

[lethal lagoon]

Some mods, like healthbars definteily go into cheaty. But it's not that big of a deal.

Focused channeling doesn't do anything

[bitter mason]

is it not interruptible normally or something?

[lethal lagoon]

Terrfying barrage also doesn't do anything

Terrifying barrage might be the worst blessing in the game

Purg already generates suppression, you can test it, it's no difference at all

[bitter mason]

...okay then what should i use

[lethal lagoon]

It just doesn't really work.

[supple dock]

What about the headshot blessing on trauma

[upper galleon]

Warp nexus

[lethal lagoon]

Warp nexus

[upper galleon]

Only other blessing that gives dps

[lethal lagoon]

Crit = 2 stacks of soul blaze

[upper galleon]

Dont go crit chance perk tho

[supple dock]

I was gonna say it wouldn't be too bad but then I remembered the disgusting fire rate of purg

[upper galleon]

Damage perk increases burn damage while out so 25% or even 10% damage is more than the tiny 5% crit chance

[lethal lagoon]

Terrifying barrage to warp nexus,
And ranged damage vs spec to Flak and you have a decent staff.

[bitter mason]

alright, i'll give that a shot then and start hunting for warp nexus, thanks lads

[lethal lagoon]

[upper galleon]

And as for on crit talents, nexus is enough to sustain them basically perma

[lethal lagoon]

I was so sad when I fully tested and learned focused channeling doesn't really do anything

[upper galleon]

Really glad i went ahead of chat and assumed someone would argue for crit chance perk oop

[lethal lagoon]

It is, there's just no way to put crit chance on that staff

Flak 5% crit is meta

[upper galleon]

Yea

[lethal lagoon]

But flak is more meta

[upper galleon]

Lmao flak 5% is not meta

[bold cape]

i wish discord had personal pins
so i could easily save convos to come back to

[upper galleon]

The math has been down 5% crit perk gets you to max stacks at best, 3% quicker or some shit

[lethal lagoon]

I thought it was the opposite, the math showed the DPS was higher than an alternative 25% maniacs

Does anyone have a link to someone doing the math

I had a convo about it but I couldn't find it again

[lethal lagoon]

Speaking of which, me too lmao

[upper galleon]

How would it be it is just +1 stack on crit

[lethal lagoon]

Soulfire is exponential to a point

[upper galleon]

But if you are using a purge with 76% burn and nexus

You already hit cap

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, I don't like purg that much, so I'll just go with your answer.

[upper galleon]

5% crit chance does not substantially boost your stack speed compared to a damage perk boosting your damage, not saying crit chance doesnt help but it is opportunity cost

[bold cape]

im new so im just asking, but why is this worth taking? it at least seems to me in the psykanium, does very little damage

[upper galleon]

Unyielding, maniac, even unarmored for trash shooters or even elites id take over crit chance, so i can get more creeping flame and combustion procs

[upper galleon]

Chip damage adds up in higher difficulties when more elites and specials spawn

[bold cape]

i see

[lethal lagoon]

2 PCs will kill all mobs, ranged mobs, and brusiers

[upper galleon]

Also combined with venting shriek blaze talent and the flame spreading, you can basically go soulblaze without needing soulblaze from your gear

[lethal lagoon]

3-5 PCs will kill most elites

it stacks basically

[upper galleon]

Rending trauma but now i have 3 “sources” of soulblaze in my talents

Yep, 2 pc starts killing and if you get 5 it will get ridic

[lethal lagoon]

It's how you get your name in the left corner killing like 10-20 elites almost at the same time

[upper galleon]

Even if it doesnt kill, the chip damage pads your meters and adds up a bit of help for your team

[upper galleon]

My smite psyker experience after the buff

[lethal lagoon]

TBF that was my ep smite experience before

But it's just dumb now

[upper galleon]

Cant believe the buffed smite cause some idiots were probably going vertical shield to EP

And not taking any damage

[lethal lagoon]

Most unneeded buff ever lmao

[bold cape]

goddamn i can hold smite forever with the shriek

[lethal lagoon]

That's how the addiction starts

[upper galleon]

It was already good with soulblaze build with both EP and charges

But now

Thanks fatshark

[lethal lagoon]

Thank you smite bubblers, no matter how dumb I think you are, you got them to buff EP smite

"Support psykers" everywhere tricking fatshark into buffing abilites

[bold cape]

i usually go the support role in games, but in this one at least it almost seems a bit detrimental to dedicate your whole kit to support, at least compared to being able to carry your own weight and be versatile

[upper galleon]

Darktide is meant to be aggressive forward game, i believe they talked about no mines or turrets/mounted guns

Cause they want players to push through the level

[bold cape]

like vt2 had no real dedicated support, there were support talents but thats about it

[upper galleon]

DT works best if everyone can at least do everything, with some builds being better at certain things

[lethal lagoon]

DT isn't really meant for you to support either

[upper galleon]

Hard forcing yourslef to support with “damage and kills aren’t needed to carry, just skill” starts falling on it’s face outside of premades

DT has supportive options and they are usually good, most just give breathing room so your team can be more aggressive

But uhh, fuck chorus, as a zealot main

[lethal lagoon]

Support to do more damage, including yourself, yes.

Voice is the best ability on vet because it keeps my meat bags alive so that I can DPS without getting attacked

[upper galleon]

Turning your self dps down to zero shouldnt be an ability

It should have been an activation, then the pulses come out slower over a longer period, but you can still attack and shit

[bold cape]

also what fov do y'all play on? i see some ppl tuning their configs to play even higher than 117

[upper galleon]

Max

[lethal lagoon]

Shield is nice for something like Voidstrike, because then you can focus on doing crazy amounts of damage.

[upper galleon]

Not above vanilla tho

Not being in immediate fear of shooters helps your team alot

[modest crane]

is warp rupture better than creeping flames if you are running assail?

[lethal lagoon]

Warp rupture is one of the worst talents in the game

I think they just couldn't think of a second branch and went drr

I tested out a fully focused warp rupture build, and it still didn't really do anything

The fall off is so brutal

[upper galleon]

Warp rupture is the flat damage on shriek right

Lol

[bold cape]

i did see someone say you can slide right at ranged enemies and as long as you look away they wont hit you
but they were unsure if fov affected it

[lethal lagoon]

You have to fully spec a force sword into various damage buffs to get warp rupture to kill mobs, and even then it falls of at like 10 meters

[upper galleon]

Honestly that is going too deep even for me

[lethal lagoon]

Alternatively, creeping flames kills all mobs, brusiers and ranged mobs.

It plays the same in 3rd person, so I don't see how FOV would matter.

Maybe I'm just

[bold cape]

i tried third person but i could never

[lethal lagoon]

Funny enough, it works really well with Surge/smite

It's the only time I ever really like 3rd person

That and dagger zealot and recon gun

I haven't run 3rd person in forever though, it felt too cheaty, even for me.

Maybe not cheaty, but arcadey, like a diff game

[bold cape]

it just doesnt feel as good to play for me

i love the first person animations

[late night]

is it better to do left or right click smite

[potent echo]

Third person might make more sense for a mordhau enjoyer and the like

[upper galleon]

Right right

Always right

[bold cape]

really? i play mordhau and im not sure how thatd effect it

also left click smite feels useless

[upper galleon]

There is like, one maybe use case where you left click if you need to stagger one crusher or bulwark then swap, but right click is still good then too

[potent echo]

Left click feels like it takes more time to get the cc

[lethal lagoon]

There's no real reason to left click over other tools you have at your disposable.

[tired estuary]

imo smite lmb should be reworked into single target lock on hose that does smth resembling actual dmg

[lethal lagoon]

Left click should be a punch

[plucky flax]

Left click is good against surprise burster and hound.

It comes out fast.

[lethal lagoon]

Do you actually use left click though

[plucky flax]

Yeah against burster mainly. So if it's coming inside a horde and I can't target it properly with my surge. I'd go left click smite when it's close enough.

Smite spread through the dudes at the front to burst it.

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

Faster swap speed than to melee.

Also smite just detonate burster to hold left click for 2 seconds until it touches the burster and make it boom then presume normal stuff.

[lethal lagoon]

But you waste an EP stack

[plucky flax]

It's good when you want to kill burster but scared your team would blow it on your face.

It's my illisi surge smite build so no ep anyway. I don't play ep smite.

Only did it for the penance.

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

80% damage of warp charges surge for 1% of the effort? Sounds boring

[slate oasis]

what other blessing should I put on a deimos with deflector?

[plucky flax]

Uncanny imo

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[lethal lagoon]

What's your talent tree for that looking like btw

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1235101805697040468/image.png?ex=66351ff1&is=6633ce71&hm=c420d4f2b0f787504876d79cf3e4ead3048b7a3e7fdc3874f7cb45d5e81e51c7&

Same tree for blaze trauma

[lethal lagoon]

You really do love wildfire

[potent echo]

Creepy flames

[plucky flax]

People haven't unlocked the secret to wildfire.

It does a lot of damage no cap

[potent echo]

Cap

[bold cape]

pretty sure thats the same build atlas sent except instead of wildfire they took soulstealer at the top

[plucky flax]

Idk I don't trust this atlas guy.

Is he even top 1%?

[bold cape]

idk they seem pretty cool to me

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

Wildfire is pretty fringe(I run it too usually).

[supple dock]

fuckin love wildfire

Nothing like venting a horde with no elites suddenly killing 2 gunners and a sniper 45 seconds later

[cinder moon]

i kept saying this but nobody was listening

[plucky flax]

[supple dock]

I enjoy using wildfire

[cinder moon]

it's a free point on the way down left side and it's always doing work, there's no reason not to take it unless you really need a point somewhere else

[supple dock]

Oh I said that already oops

[plucky flax]

Based wildfire spreaders.

[cinder moon]

if you're using creeping vent it's even better

make everything on fire

[untold niche]

am ired

Fuck

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmam-monkey-jumping-gif-22497366

[restive ice]

i always knew psykers wanted to fuck monkeys

[untold niche]

Oi

there was implied fulstop

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-slap-gif-18550000

[restive ice]

monkey told you to stop and you kept going

smh my head

[potent echo]

Gifs are back

[untold niche]

of course, because i don't have nitro to use custoom emotes

[untold niche]

wait i do have nitro, my friend gave me 3 months yesterday

still monki the best

is there a way to force the embed size of the monkey gifs to be smaller

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-stinky-monkey-gif-15325836

[cinder moon]

[untold niche]

m0nki

also still no good knife

im very sad

very.

omega super duper sad

[potent echo]

I'm starting a new character just to get manstopper blessing on shotguns

[untold niche]

why

is it good

[plucky flax]

Camp the brunt shop. Just check every hour.

[potent echo]

Can I pay a monkey to do it for me😔

[potent echo]

It's a toy I haven't played with yet, seems fun with vet weapon spec

[untold niche]

what doews it do

[lethal lagoon]

I did that for Flechette, and before I had a chance, it randomly appeared in the store for my normal Ogryn.

[potent echo]

Unlimited cleave on crit shot

[potent echo]

Desire sensor real

[lethal lagoon]

[quartz barn]

If you have enough plasteel you can also just spam buy > upgrade until you get it

But in my experience it can still take a while....

[lethal lagoon]

It shouldn't be possible to get a tier 2 from an upgrade on a weapon you purchased at lvl 30.

[vestal fulcrum]

But it is

You can get lv2 perks, too

[lethal lagoon]

From upgrading a grey weapon you bought at lvl 30 at brunt's armory?

That's....

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s exceedingly rare to get bad (low level) upgrades at lv30, but far from impossible

[potent echo]

I already spent 50k

I rather just get a new character to 15

I get to see what's going on in malice and uprising too

[lethal lagoon]

Run the low-level maelstroms, they give stupid amounts of exp

lvl 3 malice malestrom gives more than an auric t5

Also I got yelled at by someone for "try harding" and "thinking I'm cool" in a malice.

That was funny, cause I was taking it pretty easy

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

Hacking cheater

[supple dock]

over a thousand hours of gameplay.
muscle memory
tfw it's harder to not play like a crack addict

[potent echo]

It felt kinda funny to run a level1 with ASS with skull portrait and medals

[vast thorn]

I feel like playing psyker it the only class that will make me psycho
I played the other class too, but playing psyker is the only class that will make me crazy if I kill more than 20 people in a lapse of 10 seconds

[quick python]

i remember playing sedition once and got accused of hacking because I was using a thunder hammer

[lethal lagoon]

I was doing contracts, so I was just using melee on psyker.

That was the last time I did contracts on non-t5 I think, it was a while ago

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

its true i got a flurry 2 on a nice voidstick once

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1219426586311397446/cd6.jpg

[lethal lagoon]

You bought a green from brunt

[upper sun]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, that's my whole point

A 350+ grey from brunt's armory bought at lvl 30 will never roll a t2

[upper sun]

🤔

i dont think thats how it works

[lethal lagoon]

I say 350+ just to be safe, but I'd say any grey bought at lvl 30 from the randomized armory won't roll a t2

[upper sun]

🤔

i think you just roll them less so you encounter it less

[lethal lagoon]

What? I never roll from brunt's store

Only from the armory

I thought that was normal?

[upper sun]

yeah see if you never roll from brunts how would you know?

[lethal lagoon]

I know

The "grey" randomizer store is relatively new

[upper sun]

i wanna say i only managed to get like 6 rollable items from brunt rolls

[lethal lagoon]

Really?

What do you spend your gold on?

[upper sun]

weapons

[lethal lagoon]

From brunt's armory?

[upper sun]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

So you buy greys...

I don't understand

[upper sun]

yes

i buy everything

any good shit in the regular store

and sometimes if i want a weapon ill try to roll for it with very little success

[lethal lagoon]

Okay anyways, if you buy a grey at lvl 30, from the randomized armory, I don't think it can roll at t2.

[lethal lagoon]

I get a good grey like every 20 purchases, like that's 200k gold

Maybe my standards are just low

[upper sun]

mine are low two i got like 20 deimos yesterday only one was usable

25 warp res goes hard

[lethal lagoon]

20-1 for is good?

[upper sun]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

You've lost me in every way possible

[upper sun]

we're just sleepy

[lethal lagoon]

I'm plastered awake

[upper sun]

im just sleepy

[plucky flax]

Sorry purgatus users your warpfire damage is mine.

[upper sun]

purge bros... we lost again...

are you sure you're not just applying your stacks first before the purge is even in range?

[lethal lagoon]

That's literally what he meant

Bro you are sleepy

[plucky flax]

Yeah because of much longer reach from surge staff.

[hollow current]

Is the thing where the first tick of warp fire steals all the warp fire damage credit still a thing?

[terse saffron]

poopgatus peasants owned again

[plucky flax]

So I kill an elite = combustion = soulblaze already.

[upper sun]

i dont know whats happening anymore

[plucky flax]

EP bb I can understand. But EP assail on purga is ultra based.

[slate oasis]

just got this. what should I do with it?

[plucky flax]

Maniac carapace. Change 1 blessing to uncanny.

[upper sun]

🤔 is carap really important if you have uncanny?

[paper lily]

still 25% dmg on the stuff ur gonna use deimos on

[lethal lagoon]

They would be multiplicative, so it's more important

[plucky flax]

My preference. Of course just did what you want.

[bold cape]

@lethal lagoon before i headed off to sleep, wanted to thank you for the builds + help today, always nice to have peeps like you that’re friendly and engaging with newer players

[lethal lagoon]

That's me, super nice, never get's into arguments with people.

[dire marsh]

im really new to the game (only have about 130 hours) and i just wanted to know if you guys prefer guns or the staffs and what builds you have

[bold cape]

i trust

[paper lily]

hard to go wrong with staves

[lethal lagoon]

S tier: All Staves(except purg)

[paper lily]

guns get minus points cuz they use ammo

[dire marsh]

i used to use the surge staff but switched to the revolver

but i feel like i could do better

[paper lily]

reload on revolver kills it for me

also pretty punishing for missing, i think in terms of guns u would wanna use columnus infantry

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff is pretty OP, just need the right build.

[paper lily]

maybe a vraks

[lethal lagoon]

But if you want something new;
Columnus Mk5
Blaze Trauma(Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus)
Voidstrike(Nexus + Surge, or Nexus + Flurry)

[paper lily]

or u can learn surge blitz cancel #psyker-class message

[dire marsh]

oh wow

thanks!

[cinder moon]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-bolt-gif-10297555197318505984

[mental grail]

I like guns better but staves are both more flexible and more reliable.

[mental grail]

Purg users suffering (as they should)

[plucky flax]

I use purga too when I feel even lazier.

Less effort than surge.

[rigid sky]

Gun psyker is the hidden 5th class

[untold niche]

I find gun boring
Use voidstrike staff or trauma staff, very cool

[rigid sky]

It's really good but you lose the free ammo economy and your crowd control is weaker

Gunker shines most in monstrous specialist modifiers

But yeah, all staves are good

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, you have to switch weapons when a crusher appears

Too much effort

[rigid sky]

some guns are good

But gunker is harder to play than staffker

In general

[plucky flax]

No I back peddle and hide behind teammates

They can kill the crushers.

[lethal lagoon]

They cannot

[plucky flax]

That's how we wipe.

[paper lily]

based crusher counter

'nah not me' fucks off to other half of the map

[ornate hamlet]

I love my purge, why no purge?

[paper lily]

it just doesn't do anything better than the other staves

kills the shit out of horde ig

but horde is a wet paper towel anyway so

[lethal lagoon]

Purg is A+

Got left behind by patch 13

[paper lily]

purg lmb is god tier but it actually steals utility that you kinda need on psyker

necessitates either bb or assail

[lethal lagoon]

Put simply, smite and assial fill purg's role

And in some ways, do it better

[paper lily]

staff lmb for the random ass sniper literally none of ur 3 ranged only vets is shooting

i'd argue ep smite just straight up eclipses purg

[lethal lagoon]

Vets, legally speaking, aren't allowed to kill ranged units beyond 25 meters.

I don't make the rules

[paper lily]

poxbursters within 5 too i suppose

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite with flaming shriek ruins purg, yeah

[paper lily]

ppl look at warpfire dmg in matches with purg shriek i just discount it entirely

no reason to look at numbers that get all fucked up

[dire marsh]

but getting snipers with assail while no one is helping is hella satisfying though

[paper lily]

yea, it just sucks assail rmb max range is ~50m

[lethal lagoon]

Should just make it infinite, no one uses it 99% of the time anyways

[paper lily]

it's so fucking slow

[lethal lagoon]

Is assial hit scan

[paper lily]

no lol

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure

[paper lily]

lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Trappers are hit scan btw

[paper lily]

traps absolutely have travel time which is inherently not hitscan

[lethal lagoon]

Trappers operate on hit scanning, there is not a real object flying

[paper lily]

that definitely just sounds wrong

[lethal lagoon]

You can see it in-game

Net will vanish

If they get stunned

[paper lily]

yeah but that's just a child entity bound to the trapper

[dire marsh]

but wouldnt it be impossible to dodge them then

[paper lily]

they clearly just made it disappear if you stun em

nah dodge has invuln window

but it's def not hitscan

[lethal lagoon]

Nets will grab you through objects that they can't pull you through

Nets will grab you through objects BB can't target thorugh

[paper lily]

nets just have the classic game rule of the projectile collision box is significantly smaller than the hitbox of its utility

[lethal lagoon]

That doesn't explain why they go through railings BB can't.

[paper lily]

railings are just dogshit programmed

can't cast most staves thru railings either

ok most

i mean surge

there's an los blocker for the player, but you can shoot small projectiles thru railings

the 'net' exists as probably a single small pixel for its collision box, but the grab radius that it projects is likely much wider

it having travel time is inherently not hitscan tho

[lethal lagoon]

Hitscan can have timers too, no?

[lethal lagoon]

^

[paper lily]

just like assail, it's impossible for any weapon that doesn't update the game state on the same frame to be called hitscan

[radiant frigate]

Real?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, it's in the TOS

[radiant frigate]

am i playing vet wrong

[dire marsh]

yes

[paper lily]

basically hitscan is a raycast done on that game frame that says 'does this intersect with the target' and if it does, it will update with a hit so

[radiant frigate]

i occasionally do this..

[lethal lagoon]

Not wrong, but illegally

[radiant frigate]

we are already prison rejects, what are they going to do

[lethal lagoon]

I'm saying the net is a smoke screen, the actual hit happens a bit after the sound queue. As a hit scan

[paper lily]

it doesn't, you can tell when someone very far away from a trapper gets caught by a trap not meant for them

the delay from them getting netted is significantly longer, indicating travel time

i can probably even find the net travel speed in the code i reckon

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think the delay is longer.

That would be interesting

[lethal lagoon]

From my pov, trap time is the same, just the pull is comically long

[paper lily]

you might be right, but i'm weirdly attuned to timing and stuff in games so i notice this quite a bit

[untold niche]

too much word and overly technical to say
"hitscan mean if you shoot, instant do damage"

[paper lily]

hitscan is inherently an infinite speed 'projectile'

it just never makes a projectile

[lethal lagoon]

Right, so the hitscan happens some time after the sound queue to make it seem like a projectile that matchs the net animation

[untold niche]

"projectile mean if you shoot, real boolet come out"

[lethal lagoon]

That's why long nets look so funny

Or something

[paper lily]

update = function (template_data, template_context, dt, t)
        local old_position = template_data.projectile_old_position:unbox()
        local new_position = _get_net_position(template_context, template_data)
        local lerp_t = math.min(dt * LERP_SPEED, 1)
        local lerp_position = Vector3.lerp(old_position, new_position, lerp_t)

        template_data.projectile_old_position:store(lerp_position)

        local wwise_world = template_context.wwise_world

        WwiseWorld.set_source_position(wwise_world, template_data.source_id, lerp_position)

        local projectile_start_position = template_data.projectile_start_position:unbox()
        local rotation = Quaternion.look(Vector3.normalize(projectile_start_position - lerp_position))
        local world = template_context.world
        local particle_id = template_data.particle_id

        World.move_particles(world, particle_id, lerp_position, rotation)```

pretty sure it's specifying a projectile here

there's even a get net position subroutine defined at the top, it's definitely a projectile

[untold niche]

also trapper defo a projectile because you can walk into it for someone else like light said

[lethal lagoon]

Well a projectile definitely exists, but it also dissappears if the trapper get's stunned

[paper lily]

yeah, like i said that's actually a thing in older games

[lethal lagoon]

You could just be walking into the hitscan at the right time

[untold niche]

no, hitscan is instant

[lethal lagoon]

Yes it's instant

[paper lily]

say... kiling an enemy spamming long fuse grenade launchers, you frag em and all the bullets just disappear

[lethal lagoon]

But we don't exactly when it happens during the net travel and release time

[paper lily]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c360c47fea34f68ece1dec4cfc8f0a482f9c161c/scripts/settings/fx/effect_templates/renegade_netgunner_net.lua#L34

can look at it here if you want

there's no raycasts for hitscan, just lerping a projectile across the world with some vector shit

[lethal lagoon]

I have a good way to test it in game, dodge backwards and check the timer if the net takes longer or not

Ima go do it

Does that work?

[paper lily]

i reckon the distance will be somewhat insignificant

i notice a heavy delay between a 0m trap and a 20m trap

[potent echo]

Definitely feels like a projectile instead of a raycast

[paper lily]

like an ogryn on the front eating a trap from behind meant for a psyker

[lethal lagoon]

Spawn trapper, trapper runs towards me, shoots trap.
Spawn trapper, trapper runs towards me, shoots trap, dodge backwards.

If I'm right, time is equal

If I'm wrong, time is different

Yes?

[paper lily]

i'd probably just run a teleport to go back 20m

dunno how interp works at those ranges

you're not really moving that far with dodging

[lethal lagoon]

I mean timer is timer if I'm recording video

[paper lily]

can probably tell with knife running more tbh

idk, all i know is that shit is for sure a projectile

[lethal lagoon]

Projectile dissappearing if trapper get's stunned is weird

[potent echo]

It's exactly as it sounds

[paper lily]

it's not, it's actually really typical in games, i think that interaction is likely an intentional programming choice to not fuck over players who would trade trap/kill

[potent echo]

They also dialed back hound pounce to be client sided or something like it

[paper lily]

yeah that thing is unreal forgiving

[potent echo]

There's definitely coyote time where the game waits for you to push or dodge while it's inside you

[lethal lagoon]

Hound is so forgiving now, makes me almost a little sad

[potent echo]

No

No more red ping hounds

[paper lily]

i'm always sad when i see groups of ppl die to hunting grounds hounds

they have like 1hp just shoot back

oh, i think the trap is lerped at 50m/s

[lethal lagoon]

Okay I got a good recording, just need to edit them and see if there's a time difference.

[paper lily]

MinionDeathManager._remove_extensions_on_death = function (self, unit, unit_id)
    local extension_manager = Managers.state.extension

    extension_manager:remove_all_extensions_from_unit_except(unit, extensions_to_keep)

    for extension_name, system_name in pairs(extensions_to_keep) do
        if ScriptUnit.has_extension(unit, system_name) then
            local system = extension_manager:system(system_name)

            system:set_unit_local(unit)
        end
    end
end```

i'd wager this is why your trap disappears as well

[lethal lagoon]

So I tested it, and it seems longer if you dodge back

It was not a very scientific test though