psyker-class

[marble crater]

You don't need a bubble if you kill everything with shriek

[cinder moon]

best use of bubble is putting it on top of enemy ranged units

contains their fire/shots/whatever

love seeing slug puppy vomit go for a waterslide ride on the interior of the bubble

[rigid sky]

I say it a lot but I really only rate Bubble for Trauma and Purgatus, and of the two I think Purgatus prefers to use Shriek

But I do really like it for Trauma

[cinder moon]

i dislike both bubble and trauma but i've never used them in conjunction, maybe it'll change my opinion

just need a non-trash trauma staff first

[marble crater]

Disliking trauma sounds like heresy

[patent wing]

purgatus and bubble is dream team

larping as a tower

flame throwing tank

[rigid sky]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb622b0-3c83-4e3e-96db-618ae01f388f

This is my trauma build (I might have the perks on the weapons a little wrong)

There's a fair bit of flexibility there too

you can drop the puppet master and peril generation, you can drop the middle point in EP and you can drop wildfire

You can possibly take instead more toughness nodes

or cooldown aura

but I like the extra crit rate for more consistent fire starting

[cinder moon]

i'll probably try that out with my all wound curio loadout

[rigid sky]

if you take the CDR aura then obviously take the peril TDR node too

[rigid sky]

ewwwwwwwwwwww

heretic

[cinder moon]

it's my testing loadout

i run vent on almost all of my psyker builds, need to be careful when i'm not using it

[rigid sky]

That is fair

you will blow up a lot with this build

until you get used to it

It relies a lot on peril edging for warp nexus, without a safety net

You probably want to quell between every single blast

once you get high enough anyway

This build is effectively a tank btw

you regenerate toughness incredibly quickly, even by Psyker standards

[cinder moon]

i never run wound curios on my main builds because of how easy it is to generate toughness on psyker

[rigid sky]

Consider also doing the shield as wall form instead

since it gives you more kinetic resonance uses

depending on your team comps, you can end up using brain rupture like half the time with this

it's fucking busted with both the speed modifiers going

[cinder moon]

wait how often do you use brain burst with this build

[marble crater]

You can probably remove some of the toughness talents at the top, because you will get a lot from crits alone that the one from generating peril is not needed for example

[rigid sky]

Any time it makes more sense to do that than trauma blast

[cinder moon]

i like flayer though since it lets you rarely touch bb as a blitz

[rigid sky]

Dropping the bubble and then hitting...

[rigid sky]

heretic

but yeah, dropping the bubble and then hitting a bunch of brain ruptures on all the gunners and snipers shooting at you feels amazing

[cinder moon]

good point

[rigid sky]

Also I wouldn't use flayer with this anyway because it'll give you unpredictable peril spikes

you need to control your own peril

If you have EP and Resonance, your ruptures will be incredibly fast

[marble crater]

Flayer is not good, period

[rigid sky]

The great thing with EP builds, is that you get spare points to put in luxury nodes

so I decided to go for the full survivability suite

[cinder moon]

not by itself, no, but on certain builds it does a lot of work

[rigid sky]

since my defeat condition is simply a melee attack landing during any window when my toughness is below 100%

I want as many distinct sources of toughness gain as I can

[marble crater]

I prefer warp charges over EP, so fair enough

[rigid sky]

Yeah, with warp charges you have to be way pickier

also with warp charges you almost certainly want shriek

Shield is not something that needs full uptime imo, it's a place-and-remove-threats thing

if it drops and there's still too much pressure, fall back again for a moment

[hasty valve]

Same! Once every run

[marble crater]

Yes, this is what I use, nothing out of the ordinary https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb62676-c10c-44b7-8aad-3e0e5500de90

[marble crater]

I stopped doing it, now I smite, cancel the smite, shriek and then smite again. People must think I can't time my abilities

[cinder moon]

i've only crashed my lobby the one time, usually venting while smiting crashes someone else on my team

[rigid sky]

Inner Tranquility over Essence Harvest huh

I hate the idea of taking IT if I have shriek (and I only ever take charges with shriek so I guess I just hate IT)

[marble crater]

I like less peril and usually I don't have toughness problems, so I never really had a reason to try Harvest

[rigid sky]

I find that with shriek builds often I struggle to be at 84+ when I need to be

although that's often with purgatus which doesn't generate much peril at all

[marble crater]

Yeah, with Trauma you won't have problems being at high peril meanwhile Purgatus you have problems getting there before the horde is dead

[plucky flax]

Trauma bad pls buff.

[lyric burrow]

true it needs to uh

knock over bosses

[marble crater]

I'm okay with that

[untold niche]

Oh wait oh ya you are that guy that quit the dev team. I chanced upon it in general

[upper sun]

so tru so tru

[north hemlock]

Idk if quit if the right word

[untold niche]

@plucky flax don't even need dump plasteel. He could have dumped all weapons with 80* 60

Imagine your trauma staff get in 5 seconds

[north hemlock]

I just wanted to do something else

[untold niche]

I see. What are you doing now? o.o

[marble crater]

Waiting for updates, like the rest of us

[untold niche]

Shame teht didn't let you keep the dev account though.

[marble crater]

Or get an account with maxed character levels and starting dockets, plasteel etc.

[rigid sky]

Like going from the inquisitorial retinue to being a reject like the rest of us :D

[north hemlock]

working in accessibility and headed to grad school

says it in my profile

[stoic thorn]

honestly flayer just needs to only proc on elites/specials or have a much shorter cooldown w a peril cost reduction on the auto procs

the fact that i can just eat a big ol bowl of peril to BR a bruiser isn't great

[marble crater]

Yes, then it's worth picking

[cinder moon]

flayer's auto burst gives peril?

[marble crater]

Or just replace it with something else altogether, same with the two smite talents

[stoic thorn]

it's gotta be in the running for the worst node in the game lol

[cinder moon]

i've never noticed the peril gen from flayer

i spec it on all of my builds that use bb

[marble crater]

I'm sure you can find better nodes for that point

[stoic thorn]

BB could use a usability pass in general. Make it only able to target Ranged Units/Elites/Specials/Monsters so you don't have to be a tall psyker or jump to hit man sized elites in mixed hordes.

||Although to be honest being tall is just better to hit neutral weakpoints||

[cinder moon]

i like kinetic flayer

it works well for my applications

[marble crater]

I also liked the scaling damage with cast time idea, for BB, shorter cast time for enemies with less health

[rigid sky]

So you keep saying, but I still think it's a placebo for you.

It's your rock that protects you from tigers.

[cinder moon]

i've never seen any tigers, so

[marble crater]

I can see a reason to use it as a Gun psyker when you only shoot elites or bosses and then the proc helps

[upper sun]

we cant have shit in atoma

ogryn and vets are fatsharks favorite

i dont see anything cool or fun going our way

[rigid sky]

Yeah, if you go old style gunker. Tbh though, these days I'd never take rupture on a gunker.

Especially if you run SG, it's just gonna force you to drop SG early

[marble crater]

We have fun gameplay, Vet is the most boring class to me

[stoic thorn]

I think it's Zeal/Ogryn tbh. Vet is undertuned outside of shout and plasma/zarona/columnus rn imo

but shout and plasma are so insanely strong it lifts the whole class

[upper sun]

you still get unique blessings for pee gun and pee sword and a charge attack of helbores

ogryn has some sick special actions with a lot of weapons

[marble crater]

To be fair I never played gunker, if I want to shoot a gun I play my vet

[upper sun]

and what do we have?

staff bonk?

[stoic thorn]

I mean I agree, I think force swords should have way more incentive to actually use their force attacks

staves should have useful specials

[upper sun]

ye

[marble crater]

We have voices in our head, sibling

[upper sun]

THE VOICES are very nice and friendly people who want whats best for us ikno

[supple sedge]

If voices mean Ulgo krump them yes?

[upper sun]

but still a stance switch on staff special would be nice or some unique ability per staff

[stoic thorn]

I still think SO MANY VOICES and I CANT CONTROL IT should have you immediately shot in the back of the head for a psyker

[marble crater]

Please don't krump us, sweet brute

[upper sun]

funny thing us as crazy as we are we're some of the more stable psykers

the really unstable ones go for a ride on the black ships

[stoic thorn]

It's like how the Darktide Ogryns are exceptionally smart

[supple sedge]

Would never krump you sparkhead!

[rigid sky]

Also when we max out on peril, it's surprisingly undramatic

we just get downed

we don't even die

let alone open a rift to the warp

[stoic thorn]

My friend always jokes you should become a daemonhost or chaos spawn when you max out on peril lol

[rigid sky]

Given the versatility of our powers as well

We're extremely anomalous for how psykers are usually portrayed

[stoic thorn]

Yeah tbh it is weird full blown trained combat psykers are there in prison

[rigid sky]

well it's not so weird for the Seer and Loner

Seers are heretical lunatics, and Loners are heretical megalomaniacs who dare to actually give a shit about normal people

[upper sun]

anomalous
sorry this isnt in my savant word of the day calendar

[marble crater]

The Seer has no reason to be in prison, what do you mean

Most sane of them all

[rigid sky]

See, Beloved, this one agrees with you

[stoic thorn]

The Seer claiming to be in an LDR with Big E is some mega heresy yee

[supple sedge]

Dunno what them words mean but sparkhead very fragile. But kill very good

[upper sun]

the german and the romanian should 100% go to the blackships

idc

[rigid sky]

If the Seer is wrong, then obivously he's compromised by something else.

If the Seer is right, then he's extremely dangerous to the Inquisition

[upper sun]

dreamer and savant are the only real ones

[supple sedge]

Seer never say it Emperor. Only beloved

[marble crater]

Can't have shit as a Seer

[stoic thorn]

The Vet has a line something like "If that really is the Emperor you're talking to then I think you'd better listen" in response to the Seer

[supple sedge]

But they not claim it is emperor yes?

[marble crater]

No, sweet brute, it's our beloved

[upper sun]

i mean its not impossible that one of the parts of the Emperor's soul takes a liking to one psyker and starts helping them out

[marble crater]

Yeah, must be boring sitting on that chair all those years

[supple sedge]

Very good!

[upper sun]

idk i bet its very fun

imagine sitting on the schizo chair that splits up your consciousness into trillions of parts

[stoic thorn]

Isnt he in unimaginable pain every second of every day

[upper sun]

you could take to yourself forever

[upper sun]

yes

[marble crater]

You can also talk to the 1000 psykers you meet every day I guess

[upper sun]

but GW refuses to elaborate further so i imagine he can cycle the pain between various parts of his being

[stoic thorn]

bro got bored and a fragment became a twitch chatter in a random psyker's head

[upper sun]

thems are old numbers

[radiant frigate]

is that loner slander

[upper sun]

i think its up to 30k psykers a day with how the chair is breaking

[jovial juniper]

Emperor's Podcast

[upper sun]

yes

[marble crater]

Oh my

[radiant frigate]

💀

but i like loner...

[marble crater]

Darktide is my first Warhammer 40k lore exposure, I am very behind on that

[upper sun]

the male loner uses slurs to refer to our beloved he cant be left alone

[radiant frigate]

carrion lord ?

[upper sun]

uhhhh sibling please stop posting until you listen to 200 hours of warhammer lore

[stoic thorn]

Still not unsustainable which is funny, I mean 11 million psykers eaten every year across a million worlds isn't bad

[upper sun]

c*rpse emperor

[stoic thorn]

Especially since most psykers are actively harmful to let live

[radiant frigate]

i had a rare interaction with judge and professional once

[marble crater]

I will get right on that maybe listen to it while playing, who needs to hear specials anyway

[upper sun]

exactly

[stoic thorn]

my friends make fun of me for playing without music on but I literally have no awareness if it's on

plus no music just feels atmospheric

[upper sun]

i reccomend a playlist on horus heresy by a youtuber called "arch"

[marble crater]

No music means not hearing the awesome music though

[upper sun]

i'm not exactly too found of how he ROLLS RRRRRRRSSSSS but hes great for lore

[supple sedge]

True

[marble crater]

Horus was bad, I know that much

[upper sun]

horus bad emperor good shrimple

[radiant frigate]

J:"take comfort in prayer, pilgrims"
L:"in my experience, prayers to your carrion lord presage only discomfort"
P:"oi, you watch it, put some respect on the Emperor's name"
L:"or else what? some mystical bolt will smite me down? oh.. wait.. I'm the one who does that"
P:"no, because I'll shoot you myself"

[marble crater]

@upper sundamn, you weren't kidding when you said 200 hours

[radiant frigate]

heard it once and never again

[upper sun]

yeah that playlist is about half of what you should know

[upper sun]

lmao

[radiant frigate]

all psykers must be loremasters

[marble crater]

Because the Loner was shot, most likely

[radiant frigate]

💀

[jovial juniper]

"It was possessed"

[patent wing]

what flayer costs peril

[rigid sky]

It says it doesn't work at critical peril so I presume so

[upper sun]

i was about to get a line i never heard before but zola intrrupted it 😭

[potent echo]

it doesnt

[rigid sky]

well that makes it marginally less shit

[still hearth]

Actually

It could have some niche uses if it did cost peril

[upper sun]

AAAND??? AAAAND?

arent most interactions 3 lines minimum?

[tiny oracle]

is there any mention in lore if we are sanctioned or not?

i havn't spotted any

[marble crater]

Given that we are still alive...

[marble crater]

Unlucky

[tiny oracle]

inquisitors are known to use unsanctioned psykers from time to time

good way to test out if its even worth it to send them to get sanctioned

[upper sun]

everyone is sanctioned except @plucky flax

[tiny oracle]

must have missed it, looks like it depends on your defining moment in character selection, some mention getting sent to scholastia psykana and some does not

[upper sun]

the deimos of fire....

[plucky flax]

Don't report me.

[stoic thorn]

blazing spirit 🤢

[upper sun]

ikno ikno

the only way that shit will ever be usable is if they make it apply per hit

[stoic thorn]

I wish it was usable, they'd have to for sure rework wildfire though and make it so that the burn spreads even if the initial damage killed the target

[marble crater]

I use it on the Illisi, it's not awesome but the fire is fun

[stoic thorn]

That's valid, i think perilous combustion is actually gigabad but I do like seeing blue fire

Make it provide different numbers of burn stacks depending on the target killed and make it not only a 4 meter radius 🙏🏿

[marble crater]

Perilous combustion is nice, imo. If you kill some elites with surge for example then the chaff burns too

[stoic thorn]

Surge still has the issue for me where it cant oneshot elites without warp stacks and so it's super irritating building the stacks to get the breakpoints

[marble crater]

Or you run into a group of gunners and by the time you killed them all some already burned to death from the stacks

[upper sun]

to one shot gunners without crits you need about 2-3 perfect timing stacks full warp stacks and middle highish peril with a staff that does 77+ dam

i swear to the emperor i can die happy when i finally get to use a god rolled surge with t4 flak and t4 elite

[marble crater]

Surely we can do that with the crafting update

[stoic thorn]

Surge is definitely the comfiest staff, it just cant get meaningful buffs to its reliability because of the autoaim

[upper sun]

:DDDDDDDDDDD

[stoic thorn]

Not that it needs much of anything

[upper sun]

ultra smooth brain mode is illisi surge

just imagine

[marble crater]

Surge is nice for the first game of the day, brain off and just spam lightning into heretics

[stoic thorn]

i'm guilty sue me

[upper sun]

me too

its my most used staff

[marble crater]

Me three

I want to use dueling sword with surge though, but then I have nothing for hordes, but I also want to go fast

[upper sun]

i lose iq points just watching my surge gameplay

i didnt even know there was a trapper there i just wanted to click

[stoic thorn]

my surge

only t3 elite 😔

[upper sun]

if dam was flipped with damage it would be perfect

with elite t4 is only a 2% drop

[stoic thorn]

Yee ik, i'm not unhappy with it a demi-god roll is entirely usable and still probably sub 5% dps off

[marble crater]

It's usable, but it doesn't look satisfying, mine looks about the same

[upper sun]

79% dam is 855 for a flak crit

74% dam is 842 for a flak crit

so yeah i would say getting the full t4 flak perk is kinda more important

[marble crater]

Indeed

[hasty valve]

Ive done 3 games with @wind spruce proposed build for my assail gunker and it works great (thanks). If anything I'm unsure about venting shriek's purpose since using all 10 assail projectiles brings me to 99% peril, but with all projectiles spent I'm not gonna use it for a while anyway so there's no acute reason to vent apart from a little soul blaze. I just switch to my zarona to clean up the rest 😄 This a sign I should try out Scrier's gaze instead or am I thinking wrong?

[upper sun]

your phone reallyw ants to sell you underware

[hasty valve]

Not my screenshot I just copied irosk's img 😄

[crude vortex]

Didn't even get to crop those non-sanctioned skivvies out

[marble crater]

If you don't use your vent anyway then yeah use scriers I guess

[rigid sky]

Use your vent more aggressively

don't use it to dump your peril, use it strictly for the knockback and soulblaze

[hasty valve]

Yeah im so used to prolonging smite I've prob never used it before anything lol

[marble crater]

If you don't vent enough the voices will take over

[upper sun]

the voices want whats best for u

listen to them

[hasty valve]

Will do a run using vent more aggro, but wouldn't that just be a weaker SG tho? Some soul blaze vs all that extra dmg, crit, finesse and dmg reduction

[rigid sky]

Different damage profile really

I prefer scrier's gaze on rapid fire weapons

but tbh I haven't actually tried a SGless gunker build, or a revolver gunker build at all

my only gunker weapon is CIAG atm

[hasty valve]

Wouldnt SG be applied to the assail prjectiles tho?

if i use it right before assail

[rigid sky]

It is, yes

SG + Assail is a great combo too

[cinder moon]

i keep reading SG as shotgun

[stoic thorn]

ngl the game looks kinda charming like this

[cinder moon]

wat da hail

[stoic thorn]

I want my 144 fps man 😭

[crude vortex]

Be kind to the machine spirit!

[radiant frigate]

assail

[marble crater]

I could try that, but then I have to give up Psykentic's aura

[hidden crystal]

I think people often overlook the other components of Shriek.

[cinder moon]

love venting a dog off someone from 40m away through multiple floors/walls

[stoic thorn]

Dont see how, a fully charged shriek is enough to kill all trash in its massive radius or staggers elites/specials

[cinder moon]

bad teams on hab dreyko really show vent's utility outside of peril dump

[stoic thorn]

venting with it is for sure the worst usecase

when i was learning i did have to use it a lot when i edged too hard 💀

[cinder moon]

venting to dump peril works best with smite

[stoic thorn]

I've never tried assail much, seemed okay in the meat grinder but I imagine it'll feel a good bit better in a real game with DD stacks

[hasty valve]

Note to self: don't use scriers gaze before going ham on the assail

never blowed up so fast

[hidden crystal]

That is often a useful trick.

Although I admit I thought it had a 30m range.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, Scrier's Gaze doesn't mix easily with attacks that use Peril.

Although I wonder if with my Voidstrike staff with Transfer Peril, I might be able to vent Peril that fast in some situations.

[radiant frigate]

also don't use surge staff during it

[stoic thorn]

Is there a trick to consistent headshots on rightclick assail?

[radiant frigate]

easiest kaboom of your life

[stoic thorn]

aiming above the head doesnt work and neutral height throws are 50/50 for me

[radiant frigate]

idk i think it just passively headshots

[cinder moon]

if you wanna headshot people with a blitz, go for brain burst

assail is largely RNG, even if you're expert at it

[willow hazel]

or vent

[willow hazel]

"some soul blaze" is a bit of an understatement. It kills every normal mob hit and will kills elites with only 1 or 2 PC procs

[plucky flax]

Check warpfire damage from my surge build. Creeping flames spam is gud
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1224318144563118192/image.png?ex=661d0e20&is=660a9920&hm=c751ddb596c16c02bd9b12901abcd6bb2ef5b1855c71a45c9d4b5f7d3587e586&

[radiant frigate]

"weaker SG" is a funny because i have the exact opposite experience

[plucky flax]

It's weak pls buff.

Give it 12 stacks.

[marble crater]

Give warp charges 12 stacks

[radiant frigate]

remove warp charges

[cinder moon]

leave my warp charges alone

[radiant frigate]

yes that is better actually

[hidden crystal]

I lost interest in warp charges when a bad version of Quicken got baked into it.

[upper sun]

your what?

[cinder moon]

[hidden crystal]

They were enough of a nuisance to maintain when my ult didn't make them all go bye bye.

And I could get them back reliably by brain busting trash.

[cinder moon]

it would be nice to get WC when a teammate steals the kill of whoever you were trying to burst, like it used to be

not keen on being back to square 1 in that regard

that said, it’s trivial to get WC back if you pick up kinetic flayer+psychic vampire, perilous combustion+wildfire+in fire reborn

[rigid sky]

The secret is, it's the CDR that's the strong part

The damage bonus is just icing

And they aren't tied to your soulblaze stacks on Shriek any more

[cinder moon]

I rarely touch BB as a blitz on my voidstrike build

it’s just there for the free warp charges

[rigid sky]

Tbh it does the same thing anyway

Single target nuke (but Void has more to it too)

Again though, BR isn't giving you much in the way of warp charges because warp charges are no longer generated by Brain Burst kills.

[fair spruce]

the Psyker Space Marine Impersonation Project continues apace

[rigid sky]

If a target dies by any means it doesn't matter, apart from the In Fire Reborn stuff

[hidden crystal]

That's going to depend on the build; pre-overhaul, I had a marksman gunpsyker build that relied heavily on keeping up most or all of the warp charges to meet important breakpoints.

[rigid sky]

That's fair enough, warp charges are just a different concept now. I think the old concept relates better to Disrupt Destiny but they work closer to the OG warp charges that all drop off at once

And with all the different highly variable damage and Finesse buffs I think we tend to be better served by rapid fire weapons

[upper sun]

why here?

[cinder moon]

that was what i was doing before the overhaul as well, just with a revolver

i rebuilt that spec to do the same thing but ended up finding voidstrike to be way better than revolver

[rigid sky]

I kinda wanna try with a HH rifle tbh

I never see people use HH for psyker

But it fits everything we want to do

[cinder moon]

i'm usually big into guns in shooter games, but for whatever reason i very much dislike 90% of the guns in darktide

[rigid sky]

I guess it's similar to a laspistol but vulnerable to suppression

[cinder moon]

revolver, laspistol, lucius, and plasma are like the only guns i actually enjoy

[rigid sky]

So just take laspistol or something

[cinder moon]

laspistol gunker is wild

[rigid sky]

It's the same build as CIAG as far as I can tell

At least the accatran

[plucky flax]

I have 1 build for all guns. Just switch out the gun.

[rigid sky]

It's just spammy and wrecks your mouse lol

[plucky flax]

EP assail, creeping flames tru aim.

[cinder moon]

i use this for laspistol gunker and it melts absolutely everything

[plucky flax]

Get dumdum on it me fren.

[cinder moon]

i haven't decided on dumdum or ghost tbh

[plucky flax]

It's a no brainer.

[upper sun]

just use an M1 script like all the good zealots

[rigid sky]

I guess you already tried the raw power approach with DD/SG and it wasn't for you

[plucky flax]

If you don't use dumdum on laspistol/infantry autogun.

[cinder moon]

dumdum is funny for the pure damage, but ghost gives a lot of utility

[hidden crystal]

It's what my marksman build turned into.

(Used to be an MG12, but once I couldn't reliably keep up breakpoints the Vraks 7 had enough flak damage to still crack all light enemies in one headshot).

[plucky flax]

Yeah not enough horde clear with sg. DD I have tried with creeping flames but it doesn't feel as good for assail spam.

Dumdum works on any range.

So it's just free damage.

[rigid sky]

Love DD with Assail lmao

[plucky flax]

And that's okay we all have our preferences.

[hidden crystal]

Here we are, the HH I currently use for my marksman psyker build:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1220164295468384256/image.png

[cinder moon]

unarmored?

[plucky flax]

Mk7 HH you want opening salvo.

[upper sun]

unarmored is nice for clear

[cinder moon]

i feel like that's borderling trolling considering psyker ammo efficiency

[plucky flax]

The reset time for opening salvo for mk7 is very fast.

It's free damage every shot.

[upper sun]

also yeah speaking of opening salvo

for semi autos it works every shot right?

[plucky flax]

Not if you click fast enough. But the reset time is FAST.

So it's like 0.3s.

[upper sun]

damn

knowing fatshark i thought it was the first shot in every mag

thats crazy good then

[rigid sky]

HH mag looks a little small though

[plucky flax]

It's okay but outshone by columbus infantry autogun.

[rigid sky]

Think I need to try accatran laspistol first

[plucky flax]

And not as efficient even.

[cinder moon]

accatran is hilarious

also you get force push for alt attack

[upper sun]

maybe i should try building one for vet

[rigid sky]

Need to build a better CIAG too

[plucky flax]

Also I recommend maniac on HH autoguns since they do weak damage to maniacs.

[upper sun]

good ol' maniac flak

[rigid sky]

Mine is 52ish stability

[upper sun]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP GETTING ROBLOX HAX

[cinder moon]

man i've seen like 8 of those today alone, kids are down bad these days

[hidden crystal]

This already cracks all light enemies in a single headshot at any range, and using a blessing for anything else means I lose the ranged resistance of the blessings I've got here.

[plucky flax]

Stability on range weapons is dump stat for me.

[cinder moon]

stability on the laspistol is 100% the dump stat now

[rigid sky]

I like to magdump my CIAG

I miss on my gunker a lot more than on my vet

[plucky flax]

The recoil stops climbing once there's enough shots it feels for me.

[rigid sky]

Idk if better stability will help much

At least my vet gets E stance to put it under control better

Recoil seems better hipfired too

[hidden crystal]

I seem to recall I needed the unarmoured damage to hit an important breakpoint on something, but at some point I'll retest that, as they may have rebalanced slightly.

Maniacs needing five shots rather than four is less of a hassle than when a common light enemy needs two rather than one.

[plucky flax]

I don't play HH on psyker. But this one is on vet. I can 1 shot hs smol dreg shooter without unarmoured.

[rigid sky]

I guess we can assail the Maniacs but eh

Guns with bad maniac modifiers always ick me out

[upper sun]

damn i have zero headhunters

[rigid sky]

I was thinking maybe we have enough bonuses through SG DD to counteract it

[upper sun]

NO WAIT

[rigid sky]

I'd probably wanna try the Vraks III first for me too

[upper sun]

what do we think gamers?

[rigid sky]

Spammy weapons wreck my skeletal lich hands

[upper sun]

the varks of zero ammo?

[plucky flax]

Vraks 3 got nerfed.

It was so gud.

[upper sun]

😭

[hidden crystal]

Maybe later I'll do a fresh recording of a marksman gunpsyker playthrough.

[upper sun]

what about this? emperor gift seems kinda bricked to me

oh wait nvm its not semi auto

[plucky flax]

Mk9 is meme if you're brave enough.

It's 2 shots burst fire but the burst is slow af.

[upper sun]

🤔

oh yeah this bad boy is gonna destroy my mouse

[hidden crystal]

20 rounds isn't too bad. I don't think you can get more than 23.

Slightly affects how much you get from a pickup, but it's not horribly ammo inefficient if you can get your shots on target.

[upper sun]

sooo damage and ammo are the dump stats rite?

RIGHT?

[hidden crystal]

Personally, I would say my dump stat has to be Mobility or Ammo, but neither too bad.

But that's for the 7, the 3 might get away with different stats.

[upper sun]

eh i dont play vet too much

ill keep using my mid ciag and my trash pgun

[cinder moon]

helbore and plasma are the best reasons to play vet

only 550 i have across 4 characters is a perfect helbore mk2

[upper sun]

is that the stab one or the slash one?

[cinder moon]

stab

[upper sun]

amazing

[hidden crystal]

The best I've got is a 549, which is a Shredder my psyker has never used.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1152707372448485436/image.png

[cinder moon]

look at this thing

[upper sun]

idk what helbores like but that looks good

[marble crater]

Has a 550 rating, it must be good

[cinder moon]

i have a number of 530+ and a few 540s, but that's my only 550 so far

[lapis violet]

how do i get this stupid penance

smite? force sword? which map? shriek?

[cinder moon]

the holdout at the end of the one sabotage mission where the heretics have to come at you over 2 bridges

just shriek

[upper sun]

vent

i legit have no idea how i got it

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message

#psyker-class message

That's how I got mine first try

Vent and force swords were annoying and didn't work for me

[lapis violet]

shoving them here kills them?

[marble crater]

I just used smite, held smite and then got it

[lapis violet]

not even the shove part oof the smite?

[marble crater]

I guess at some point you also smite enemies that try to climb up somewhere and then they fall down

[lapis violet]

i'm definitely trying it because it seems straightforward compared to using shriekd of swords

[marble crater]

Only part that's luck is getting enemies to spawn from there, sometimes they don't. Still a lot less stressful than trying all the time, just run the mission normally and wait for that spot

[radiant frigate]

1 and 2 are both stabby

[jovial juniper]

Oblivium

[radiant frigate]

only 3 is slash which for some reason takes twice as long to swing

[rich jolt]

Vent

Probably a YouTube video on what location to get it

[lapis violet]

it's moved by a few but i'm still not there

[torn grove]

I used a combination of lightning and venting shriek to achieve the penance.
Lightning will knock them back in the opposite direction of you facing them and then immediately shriek. Followed with the push back of power sword for good measure.

[lapis violet]

good idea

[upper sun]

wait

whos the guy that keeps posting the vent graph

does the other upgrade of venting shriek have a bigger area around the caster?

[torn grove]

I don’t know who , but mine was upgraded when I got the penance

[cinder moon]

it's simple asf to just vent them off the thin bridge at the end of that one sabotage mission

stand there holding block for a few seconds while they get 3-4 rows deep, then vent

[torn grove]

What’s even easier is at the beginning of one the assassination missions. The one where you enter through the sewers and it’s at the beginning. It’s the ledge with some boards before the sewer entrance.

[marble crater]

There is no other upgrade for shriek, there is only the soulblaze one

[upper sun]

y-yes but i was wondering if they had different aoe

[marble crater]

They don't mention area so I don't think so, but then again Thy Wrath be Swift also doesn't say it prevents stagger from ranged, so...

[upper sun]

FS tool tips

i'm sorry but how do you stab with a ranged attack

[marble crater]

Helbore?

[upper sun]

HELBORE

[ornate hamlet]

You stab them with the bullet

[native dust]

They should change it to "backshots" or something

[upper sun]

😰

uhhhhhh

g-guardian?

[crude vortex]

😏

[native dust]

Good lord that word means something else now 😱

[wind spruce]

Step one undies be keepin my junk snuggled

[wind spruce]

Definitely try out scriers. As others have said use shriek for the soulblaze and CC, also swap out empathetic evasion for something else, you just aren't getting enough crits in your current build to be worth it and I shouldn't have selected it. Put the point into quick shards or something

[wind spruce]

I was testing that it was a cone shape when I realised it's wider at the base, should be the same for both upgrades to shriek though

[rigid sky]

Actually another thing

How is the verticality of it?

Are you firing a circular cone, or a flat segment, or an infinite height circle segment pillar?

Can you aim it up or down?

[upper sun]

ive seen it go at least 5m up

knowing nerdy comp sci majors i would say they're using inverse square law

[untold niche]

grad school mean uni?
what accessibility mean

[upper sun]

surge bros.....

i have bad news

we need at least 3 stacks of perfect timing with elite4 and flak4

for a gunner no crit one tap

[mighty olive]

I feel sooo powerful when I shriek with full peril, I love watching what remains of their flesh burn! Muahahahaha!

[marble crater]

Why would you do this to us?

My beloved won't be happy when he hears about this

[upper sun]

it had 77% dam btw

[marble crater]

Maybe with the crafting update we can get 100% stats

[upper sun]

i hope not i dont want the rest of my gear to suddenly be mid

[marble crater]

I guess. It would be just as great as now, but the voices would tell us it's weak

[jovial juniper]

Got it, full crit build

[wind spruce]

#psyker-class message

Behold the glory of @lethal lagoon trying to draw shapes

[marble crater]

I thought this would link to the clip where he tested it

This is gold

[lethal lagoon]

People say A.I art is taking over, I say checkmate AI overlords.

Try getting A.I to draw that

[upper sun]

actually lemme try

but it seems to think all psykers are space marines

[rich spindle]

Its over

[potent echo]

Nerds

[potent echo]

Surge damage is random ain't it? This might be a low roll

[still hearth]

Yeah

Iirc the damage goes up and down about 50 points of base damage

I still have no idea why

[rich jolt]

Probably because most 40k media is space marines

[jovial juniper]

Ugly shoulders math teacher

[hidden crystal]

Here we go. It's a mediocre run - which I can partially blame on being out of practice both with this build and the game in general (spot the point where I forget there's not an Ogryn on the team and get clobbered by a bulwark), but the main thing is that the overall build is more me trying to recreate a pre-overhaul build that I used to enjoy than actually picking effective talents - but it is a run with a psyker using a Headhunter autogun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb1_L0vGUpE

[wispy wagon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9baf1c0a-28e8-4bdb-add4-07d4632c38ee/auric-maelstrom-frontliner

[lethal lagoon]

Switch anticipation to Perilous Combustion, the talent doesn't work as claimed.
Weak spot damage on your gun also does nothing.

[wispy wagon]

weak spot kills tho?

[lethal lagoon]

The perk, weak spot damage, does virtually nothing.

It's 10% of the damage difference between a non-weakspot hit, and a weakspot

It's probably around like 1-2% actual weakspot damage for columbus mk5

Warp expen is also pretty dookie, the point would be better spent pretty much anywhere else.

25% toughness per 100% peril spent is never really going matter, esp when you already have mettle with mk5

[wispy wagon]

Good with dueling sword though no?

[lethal lagoon]

Compared to 25% damage? No.

It's still like 4% or something.

Dueling sword esp because you typically only use it on a few select targets

So the 25% hit harder than most weapons on dueling sword.

[wispy wagon]

My idea was adding as much to average base damage as possible with every possible buff to Columnus

[wispy wagon]

I find it very effective especially with evading and slide-tech

[lethal lagoon]

You didn't get what I meant

Yeah, d4 is best in slot, I mean weakspot damage perk is bad

25% flak on columbus mk5 is gonna be very impactful.

[lethal lagoon]

The weakspot damage perk on weapons is just universally bad. There is literally only one exception.

[rich spindle]

Anticipation +1 dodge still works right?

Thts pretty good

[potent echo]

There's probably better places to spend that point, I would rather take toughness over that

[wind spruce]

What's your one exception

[crude vortex]

<@&735928989146939404> Abominable Intelligence detected.

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

LMB staff has weird values, it might be worth

[lethal lagoon]

We were proving my art is unattinable by A.I

And we were right

[crude vortex]

No usage of it allowed. Heresy.

But yes, you are correct.

[near bluff]

We have a no ai art rule

Dont post any, regardless of context

[crude vortex]

I much prefer your diagrams.

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

[crude vortex]

Care to scribble another sometime?

[lethal lagoon]

Here's the original theory

[crude vortex]

Delightful!

[lethal lagoon]

And then there's the warp sausage before accepting the ice cream cone theorem.

[crude vortex]

Fantastic visuals you provide here.

[lethal lagoon]

Psykers bend the warp in mysterious ways.

[crude vortex]

To make these cones and nefarious shapes.

[wind spruce]

Should've known

[rich spindle]

Psychic ribbed condom

[crude vortex]

You would enjoy that, wouldn't you?

[rich spindle]

No comment

[crude vortex]

Silence isn't innocence.

[rich spindle]

What is the player count for this game like 50

So many empty games

[upper galleon]

If you are NA it’s 10pm on a worknight

[spice veldt]

imagine living in a timezone where it's 10pm

cringe

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kiss-kirby-kiss-kirby-super-star-kirby-super-star-kiss-gif-25332268

[crude vortex]

It's midnight on a work night for me teehee

[spice veldt]

the timestamp is all i need to know that i am superior to all non-9PMers

[upper galleon]

I think i edited a type on work ight

Worknight

[frail harness]

damn, thanks Hadron

I guess maniac damage. Or maybe keep the crit and get flak IV

[plucky flax]

Alive and well live service game.

[rich spindle]

keep crit and go unyielding

boss delet

[lethal lagoon]

🤮

Flak is so BiS that's basically heresy

[rich spindle]

boring

[lethal lagoon]

Columbus has a crit string, so 4% honestly doesn't matter

I second the unyielding, but keep the flak

[rich spindle]

crit crit crit crit

[lethal lagoon]

Ripping Ogryn Gunners in an instant is hot

[ember solstice]

Columbus

[silver ermine]

Does blazing spirit proc shred?

[unreal basalt]

☹️

[wind spruce]

No. Never take blazing spirit on a force sword.

[radiant frigate]

imagine if it was any good

[plucky flax]

It's gud.

Just meme.

Blaze trauma on the ovenproof scoreboard mod is 100% bug with damage shown. Just did a round, 948 kills and got only 412k damage on ovenproof.

It seems like it's not counting the main explosion damage at times.

Ain't no way the damage is that low for nearly 1k kills.

I have game with 588 kills on zealot and did 402k damage. ☠️

You can't tell me like 500 more kills is only 10k damage.

[radiant frigate]

maybe zealot killed bigger things

[hasty valve]

I gave both a shot over some games yesterday. SG is awesome in a pinch, especially in melee to get out of pinned situations, but peril management takes some getting used to. The worst situation was doing scriers when I was surrounded to get out of a horde, just to run into a gunner patrol where I needed assail but blew myself up due to the already high peril. So I guess I have to choose moments to either use SG or Assail.

[radiant frigate]

maybe your DoT ticks killed things weakened by teammates

[plucky flax]

I thought that but on surge staff I get consistently more damage with less kills.

And same creeping flames spam.

[radiant frigate]

i would say that "in a pinch" is when SG is worst and shriek is best

[hasty valve]

Using vent aggressively followed up by Assail feels more seamless and safe, and I like being able to use a full ability rotation without having to micromanage my peril, so think I’ll keep vent + assail for the time being

[plucky flax]

I conclude blaze trauma bad need buff. Damage is too low.

[hasty valve]

But with my gunker build not having much cc I need to be able to get out of surrounded situations, so don’t think SG is best in my use case

[radiant frigate]

i agree

SG smelly

[cinder moon]

i tried whosever blazing trauma build yesterday, it wasn't to my liking, but that could just be my staff being less than ideal

meanwhile void+warp charges go brrrr

[radiant frigate]

void + dd goes even more brrr

[plucky flax]

Don't play blaze trauma is really bad.

Whosever did you one.

[hasty valve]

Seeing as you always need at least 1 more ability that uses peril it feels like sg screws with any build by denying you from using your full kit, so yeah it in fact smelly

[hasty valve]

Gotta try it on my void build now that I understand wtf it actually does 😄

[radiant frigate]

you could run SG voidstrike and have stupid high crit chance with lots of delay between casts

[plucky flax]

Dd is just as smelly as gazer.

[radiant frigate]

but at that point probably better to just cast more instead and drop SG

[plucky flax]

[cinder moon]

that sounds...perilous

[radiant frigate]

magepilled

take the magus pill instead

[radiant frigate]

it is, but funny crusher oneshots

[cinder moon]

i could just poke em in the face with my duelling sword

[radiant frigate]

probably preferable

[plucky flax]

Only very based players can use ds5.

[radiant frigate]

i am too cringe for dueling swords

[cinder moon]

ds5 mobility is fun

i have dodge slid myself into many a "just hangin out, associates" joke

[radiant frigate]

i am just waiting for 2h force sword

[plucky flax]

I nearly died last game because I had ds5 instead of illisi. Was getting torn up by gunner. Needed my deflector.

[radiant frigate]

i don't dodge slide 💀

[cinder moon]

i got good at dodge slide spam when infinite smite was a thing

played a number of malice matches without ever dropping smite 😂

[radiant frigate]

[wind spruce]

it does require better positioning

but you can get your way out of a lot of situations with the raw power of it

especially against gunners. they shouldnt be a big threat once you get dodge-sliding down pat

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[untold niche]

agent for zealot flamer, against crushers you do
spend 15 ammo,
chastise (with gun still equipped), wait 30 seconds, chastise again?

[plucky flax]

Wut

Shoot flamer, chastise, wait like 3s, chastise again.

Hold down left click throughout.

[lethal lagoon]

😦

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[cosmic sigil]

Kat does Kat things

[static needle]

How good is agripiina revolver for gunpsyker?

[vestal fulcrum]

... It's OK, but Zarona does what revolver should do better, primarily because it has better cleave

[rigid sky]

Agri is a different weapon tbh. I'd be tempted to try it, but I kinda feel like CIAG probably does it better.

[thin finch]

The warp sausage is some kind of weird allegory to warp fuckery ?

[lethal lagoon]

No it's just a dog toy for nurgles.

[untold niche]

ty cause i remember somehting like needing 15 ammo to reach max burn

[upper sun]

you can also hold every single ult that isnt an active or a channel to get a sense of where its going to go

[marble crater]

Define active and channel, channel would be chorus I guess

[upper sun]

like bubble or charge or stuff like that

idk if gaze does it i never used it much

[marble crater]

How about shriek?

[upper sun]

like here you can hold it a bit to know what you're aiming at

prolly not

but i can check

[marble crater]

Thanks, including things like that in the tooltips would be nice

[upper sun]

nah shreik doesnt have it

[marble crater]

Sad

[rigid sky]

huh, that orange aura around the one dude?

[upper sun]

yes in zealot you get that for aiming the charge at something

for bubble

[marble crater]

For longer range, charge without a target is pretty short

[upper sun]

yeah

aiming also works with wall

hmm ogryn only has it on taunt

strange

[untold spindle]

is there any melee with better dodge range than mk5 mac?

for psyker?

[near wyvern]

Combat blade

[untold spindle]

ty

[near wyvern]

The mk 6 is basically a direct upgrade over the mk 3 combat blade for psykers @untold spindle

[untold spindle]

tyty

[untold niche]

pygex if u are free can you explain why does the knives side dodges also dodge at the speed of freaking light
they always look like they are doing some movement cancel tech

[lyric burrow]

Knife dodges are nutty

Been using mk3 on psyker again

Works surprisingly well (i run assail)

[rotund fable]

Got this as a mission reward and saw base rating of 418 in blue... then i looked at it in my inventory... I'm pretty sure that warp resistance of 39% is pretty bad on a voidstrike...

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s not that big of a deal on VS - it may even be beneficial to have it low for say, easier peril buildup for the purpose of Venting Shriek

It’s a nice base - it has at least one good perk, that is

[rotund fable]

The thing is, i prefer to have dome shield with Voidstrike... though I do see your point.

[vestal fulcrum]

Quell Speed can compensate for low WR well enough, IMO

[rotund fable]

lets see if hadron bricks the thing

[vestal fulcrum]

Even blast radius is somewhat redundant on VS

[rotund fable]

Welp... not sure if that's considered a brick by hadron or not...

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s… well, it’s an OK result, it could have been better

[rotund fable]

It was a neat find, but i think the staff i already got is just a bit better at the moment

[rigid sky]

If you don't run Shriek, transfer is OK I guess

[rotund fable]

I just like being able to drop a dome and fully charge the blast while taking my time to line up the perfect shot, hence why I run the dome shield.

it's also nice to just drop a barrier on top of a BoN and just negate 80% of what they can do for a bit.

Only thing i've seen a beast able to do while a dome is on top of it is slam the ground. Since it's vomit attack is canceled by the shield, and it cant grab you unless it's vomited on you.

[untold niche]

i would have kept flak and gotten nexus surge

why did you change out flak to crit ;-;

i personally like cara maniac more but alot of people say cara flak which i wouldn't disagree

[untold niche]

OH YOU DIDNT

wait what

im confused

sorry lol

[rotund fable]

because the original perks were 1 level of stamina and 1 level of infested.

[untold niche]

this became the one with crit and cara?

[untold niche]

oh t became this
ah sorry i wasabit confused

[rotund fable]

take a moment and look at the base stats... they are not the same staff

[untold niche]

time to roll for a new one

[rotund fable]

the staff with surge and flurry is the one i've been running with for a while

[untold niche]

[untold niche]

^

[rotund fable]

and the other one is the one i got earlier today

[untold niche]

this mine, stats not so good tho

[rigid sky]

Yeah, I see the value of it. I like using bubble with brain rupture on my trauma for similar reasons

But Shriek is just really nice for attacking wide

[untold niche]

shrek is nice for smooth brain like me

shriek*

xD

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-burp-shout-gif-7230786

shrek shriek

[rigid sky]

https://youtu.be/wEmJH7JsKgM?si=RDXOJ3euhFe0hMua

[rotund fable]

Currently trying to do the "powered up" penance (kill 100 enemies with BB while at max warp charges on malice or higher)... I am not a fan of this thing.

[rigid sky]

Yeah, penance that doesn't take new version of warp charges into account

[untold niche]

god bless u

[rigid sky]

Still very doable but a pain

[rotund fable]

Doing the penance has made me kinda hate warp-charge keystone... I've done 6 missions and only gotten 24 kills worth of progress on it.

[rigid sky]

Take kinetic resonance

and tbh while you're working on this, maybe kinetic flayer

it's bad but it can help lubricate getting the penance

[rotund fable]

Kinetic resonance needs me to use my ability... which consumes the warp-charges...

[plucky flax]

No hate.
Best keystone in game.

[rigid sky]

oh yeah shit lmao

so both of the things that make brain rupture remotely pleasant are locked out from you

can't use resonance, can't use EP

[rotund fable]

I am starting to hate it specifically because i have to stay at full charged and charge up BB's for the penance to proc

and the warp-charges have a timer

[plucky flax]

Should have gotten all hard penances before patch 13.

[rotund fable]

When was patch 13 exactly? because i dont think i was playing at the time, or, if i was, i was still in the "Newbie who's just trying to grind good weapons/gear" stage

[quick python]

october

[rotund fable]

I downloaded the game in november

[quick python]

should have gotten in it back in september, massive skill issue

[plucky flax]

If you try it in melee scab only maelstrom. There'd be enough elites to keep your warp charges full.

[rigid sky]

Patch 13 is what gave us skill trees

before that, we had a choice of 3 talents every 5 levels

we also only had 1 blitz, 1 ability and 1 aura

(the ones that you now have at low level before you put points in)

it's why people still call it brain burst, or chastise the wicked, or bullrush etc

[rotund fable]

Yeah, I downloaded the game a while after the skill trees were introduced

Originally held off because the feat system just made me think of the game as "DnD, but it's a first person shooter set in the warhammer universe" and it wasn't until the skill trees that i considered getting it.

[lyric burrow]

Patch 13 was last october

[rigid sky]

Yeah, the gameplay has much better variety now imo

you still had a bunch of variety just from the different weapon options even back then

particularly on psyker, since the 4 staves are all wildly different

but yeah

[lyric burrow]

Yeah patch 13 was very good

And it also have you more weapon variety

Before it was illisi/trauma/deimos and one skill set or you were struggling

Purg was fine too

Stuff was usable but not like now

Where guns were bolter/ap notable gap

[radiant frigate]

illisi my beloved

[lyric burrow]

I remember day 1 illisi

What a time

Built in deflector infinite dodges faster chain time between specials and less enemy health

[radiant frigate]

i do not remember day 1 illisi

i was not playing at the time

[lyric burrow]

Yeah playerbase was much smaller back then

This was p early

[radiant frigate]

i played in The Before Times

when there was only one power sword and a grey one would slice everything in half on contact

[lyric burrow]

Yep

Infinite cleave and 3 swings lol

Was by far the best melee weapon i remember till illisi

Hsword was also good

At the time of illsii

[radiant frigate]

also back when thammer lights had 1% carapace damage

[lyric burrow]

Hammer used to have exactly one job

It was unique in its ability to one shot every thing at the time tho

[radiant frigate]

and before i knew that it was, for some godforsaken reason, a single target weapon

it did not oneshot crushers

[lyric burrow]

Yeah minus crushers carapace was a bigger deal back then

Forget if it one shot maulers

[radiant frigate]

it also gets stuck on the first target

crucis still does

big "get down mr. president" energy

[lyric burrow]

And the animation after hitting was like 3 seconds

Of stun

[radiant frigate]

because you would either have your big swing intercepted, or you settle for a limp overhead

[lyric burrow]

Yep

The dark times

[rigid sky]

tbh I was using all 4 staves and having good success with all of them

Deimos with some, Illisi with others

[lyric burrow]

Unless you played vet

[rigid sky]

didn't use guns until patch 13 though

[lyric burrow]

Yeah they all worked, just a notable difference in the good stuff and the other stuff

[rigid sky]

I think old gunker was pretty good too, but not as exciting as it is now

[lyric burrow]

I actually used void more back then

[radiant frigate]

200 base toughness goes brr

[lyric burrow]

Old gunker was good cause ap existed

Never really saw anything else

[radiant frigate]

old gunker i found really stupid because it's "i use a gun because it makes my magic stronger"

[rigid sky]

Pinning Fire had silly synergy

[radiant frigate]

like wtf

[rigid sky]

I think you would go kinetic flayer and ascendent blaze?

[mighty olive]

I miss shredder gunker

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[mighty olive]

Fun times

[lyric burrow]

Youd do blaze and flayer

[rigid sky]

so you'd just shoot until you built up the warp charges, get 5 stacks of pinning fire, shriek and then burn the entire world

[lyric burrow]

It was very dumb

Bb was better too

Relative to enemy health

[rigid sky]

Plain BB at least

It made generating warp charges easier

but warp charges were also more necessary for ascendent blaze

not hitting your cap made AB feel really bad

[lyric burrow]

Remember when you lost all warp charges at once

[rigid sky]

I like current brain rupture a lot

[rigid sky]

Tbh, that helped me to get used to disrupt destiny lol

Disrupt destiny is like the successor to OG warp charges

but way more exciting

[radiant frigate]

remember when brain burst would cease to onetap specials on a high enough difficulty

[lyric burrow]

Sadly psyker needed those warp charges to do real damage back then

And peril was much stricter

[radiant frigate]

remember when you had to roll for stats on gear when you wanted to change them?

and every reroll cost you resources?

[lyric burrow]

I remember when you couldnt even change anything

Although i didnt play much that far back

[radiant frigate]

before "crafting"

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it was just coming soon

You could upgrade

[potent echo]

rolling perks 50 times to get the tier3 you want

[radiant frigate]

"new weapon type unlocked"
"brunt may or may not stock it, check back every hour"

[rigid sky]

They initially wanted to make the reroll fee go up for each reroll too

[lyric burrow]

I will never understand the old perk system

It literally became free

[upper sun]

how is it any different from now

[lyric burrow]

Let me just pick

[rigid sky]

Free except for time clicking the button

Honestly, the crafting system now is almost ok

[potent echo]

its MUCH better

[lyric burrow]

Reroll until rarity was mandatory lol

[radiant frigate]

changing stats should be free

on a fully customized item

[rigid sky]

the worst part is blessing hunting and getting acceptable weapon bases, imo

now at least

[potent echo]

but i wont lie i got most of my weapons during the plasteel bug era

[lyric burrow]

Yeah getting the base now

Although if you want perfect still a pain

[upper sun]

no a fatshark employee should punch me in the face for every modification i do to ever weapon

thats the new crafting update

[potent echo]

punchie

[upper sun]

How dare you varlets question the Omnissiah?

[rigid sky]

barbed wire flogger

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[rigid sky]

/accidentalemperorschildren

[upper sun]

you will take your block efficiency ranged weapon and you will love it

[lyric burrow]

I love blocking in my game where blocking is bad

[potent echo]

blocking is already really good that it sends trash reeling, but its just not a game where you WANT to block

[lyric burrow]

And you can dodge or push 99% of the time anyway

[radiant frigate]

sprint efficiency on weapons with 1.75/s base cost

[lunar hollow]

it was originally intended to go up in cost

[lyric burrow]

Truly the crafting system of all time

2k per roll

[upper sun]

the only solution is to run a payday2 style heist on wherever playerdata is stored and manually fix our own weapons

[marble crater]

Clearly that's the only way

[plucky flax]

Still waiting for $10 per red weapon. 100% all stats.

[upper sun]

i can see your red trauma staff from here "+2 stam +10 groaner surge/brittleness"

[plucky flax]

Red trauma. 30% damage perk, 6% crit chance, double tier 5 blessing. Tier 5 warp nexus gives 25% crit chance at high peril and t5 blazing spirit giving 5 stacks per crit cap at 10 stacks.

Thank me later.

[upper sun]

🙄 cant wait to brick 10$ weapons too now

[plucky flax]

I hope they release blazing spirit t4 with crafting rework next year.

[upper sun]

bruh theres no way in hell im getting lucky again with trauma staves

if they release more blessings they need to increase locks or some shit

[plucky flax]

Do you even play it though?

[upper sun]

😰 uhhhh y-yes

[rigid sky]

It already exists! On force swords lmao

[plucky flax]

Yes.

But no one cares about blazing spirit on sword.

[upper sun]

its crap

the only way it would work on swords is if they make it apply on hit not on crit

[marble crater]

But it's fun

[upper sun]

like instead of that shit why cant we get "warp cycle" making the sword active apply for two more swings

that would be amazing

[marble crater]

It would be

Make deflector standard on all force swords instead of a blessing, while we are at it

[upper sun]

ikno i really feel like psyker is treated the worst out of all classes

[hexed geyser]

Deflector should be a skill not a blessing

Like, you learn to do that thing its not the weapon thats going to do it for you

[upper sun]

yeah i really love it when basic game mechanics are applied to weapons instead of talents

[cinder moon]

so you want deflector on all swords that psyker can use?

[upper sun]

nah just force swords

[cinder moon]

if it's a skill, why apply to only one class of sword

[vestal fulcrum]

You probably shouldn’t make it a skill, then

[upper sun]

yeah i would rather it just be standard

[marble crater]

Add it to Kinetic Deflection

[hexed geyser]

I would switch kinetic deflection and deflector

[rigid sky]

I'd like it if they made blazing spirit do like a fire wave on a swing

[cinder moon]

dueling sword would be best in slot at that point

[upper sun]

why do vets get a bayonet charge and we get fuck all

[rigid sky]

Like, make it trigger a Perilous Combustion

(for the force sword version)

[cinder moon]

you can do a sprint charge with dueling sword btw

[upper sun]

make blocking trigger venting shriek

[vestal fulcrum]

It might have been standard at some point, judging by how Deimos and Illisi on release had had deflector-like effect applied to them by default

[upper sun]

hell i wouldnt even mind if i somehow managed to roll an illisi with a free blessing

[hexed geyser]

Or give obscurus deflector so its relevant again

[upper sun]

even if obs had it by default i would not use it

[vestal fulcrum]

But then Obscurus would also have the Deflector blessing available, which would only give it better block cost reduction against ranged attacks

kek

[upper sun]

also its such a weird ass blessing

[marble crater]

I don't even like blocking with the force swords, because I can't see anything

[hexed geyser]

You cant make just one change, it would need to be a rework for anything to make sense

[upper sun]

like it scales 20% 23% 25% 30% right?

for block eff upgrade

[hexed geyser]

27.5 for t3 iirc

[upper sun]

its so stupid theres sto little difference between the tiers

[cinder moon]

obscurus doesn't have deflector?

[hexed geyser]

Its an available blessing like the others currently

[upper sun]

it should

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits?query=def

[cinder moon]

that's what i thought

[upper sun]

here it says tthat obs has deflector

[cinder moon]

this made it sound like it lacked

[upper sun]

ye

[marble crater]

Give it by default

[hexed geyser]

Give it by default

[upper sun]

but still even if obs had it by default i would not use it

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

"Deflector
This weapon Blocks both Melee and Ranged attacks. Additionally, Block Cost is reduced by 22.5-30%."

wonky ahh scalling

[vestal fulcrum]

The scaling is great

low level Deflector doesn't feature nearly as big a gap between its consecutive levels

[upper sun]

soo whats the point of having t4 deflector

[cinder moon]

style

flexing

[vestal fulcrum]

There is none, but it's marginally better than its lower level predecessors

The other blessing with great scaling is Pinning Fire

[upper sun]

pfffffffffff thats completely irrelevant it has no power advantage (i have no deflector 4 and i am very jealous)

[vestal fulcrum]

There is a marginal difference between T1 and T4 of it

[hexed geyser]

Let deflector block sniper shots and i'll be happy

[cinder moon]

30% vs 22.5 can still make a difference though especially with KD node, you can block for damn near forever with t4

[vestal fulcrum]

It matters for how nearly big an impact certain blessings have on weapons they are on

Also it negates at least some stress on the person, which doesn't have to cope with the fact that they have "the thing, but it's not max level"

[upper sun]

for the stupid amount of force swords i rolled i'm still missing like 3 blessings

[upper sun]

yeah its helping me cope ngl

[vestal fulcrum]

Lv3 Deflector v Lv4 Deflector is whatever, if you get Deflector by itself, you can be relatively happy about it and decide whether you want to change two perks, or one perk and the other blessing

[upper sun]

yeah i wish i had an illisi with deflector by default

[vestal fulcrum]

Say, you can also find a FS in Brunt's that has Deflector, any level, can even be 1-2, and one good perk = unbrickable FS if you want to have Deflector on it

[upper sun]

actually ive been very lucky with illisis

i have a couple with uncanny4 and executor4

its far from flak/maniac/slaut/deflec but at least theyre usable blessings

not trash like superiority or whatever

[vestal fulcrum]

I have a Slaught 4/Uncanny 4/Maniac 4 and Flak 3 Illisi IIRC

[upper sun]

nice

[vestal fulcrum]

And I can change both blessings on it

[upper sun]

all my swords have flak/maniac with one free perk and one free blessing

[vestal fulcrum]

I recently started using it more, because Deimos grind has become a bit stale

[upper sun]

please dont post such photoshopped lies here

[vestal fulcrum]

I still use it in some setups, just not on Surge Battery/DD + SG Gunslinger

[upper sun]

took me 3 weeks for a usable deimos i'm not touching that shit again

[cinder moon]

my main illisi

solidly 3.6 roentgen

this mk5 though

[upper sun]

ZAMN

[marble crater]

Why mk5 instead of 4?

[upper sun]

my main illisi

[cinder moon]

i also have this mk4

[upper sun]

disgusting

[cinder moon]

and this mk2

i'd like a better mk2 just for collecting purposes

it's my least favorite visually by a fair margin, but gotta catch em all ya know

[untold niche]

so you can get it so you don't feel bad about getting t3 delfecotr

[marble crater]

What's even the big difference with them? All I know is that mk4 has slightly better damage

[upper sun]

animations

[cinder moon]

mk4 can one shot muties with a single heavy

mk5 has best mobility

mk2 is just kinda there