psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

with the holy sword of shrieking

[lethal lagoon]

So it falls off at around 27-28 meters and is no longer 10 m in height

So you can imagine the butt of the shriek from there

[wind spruce]

Butt

[spice veldt]

cheeks

[wind spruce]

What mod is allowing u to be invisible and spawn heretics in solo

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, I'm starting to get less of feeling of a cone for the vertical

and more like sasuage

I was wrong earlier, there is a slope to the height

It's subtle though

[wind spruce]

Dw I didn't trust you in the slightest

[lethal lagoon]

Good instincts

Will of the emperor solo play creaturespawner

[wind spruce]

Tyvm

[lethal lagoon]

From 15m to 20m you get about 1m in height for shriek

[hollow current]

it is tho

[lethal lagoon]

from 9 to 10

[plucky ibex]

It's cool people are still building elaborate tests but we have the actual Lua, isn't that enough to figure out how it works?

[lethal lagoon]

At 25 you go back to 9

[lethal lagoon]

[long wharf]

normally yes

[lethal lagoon]

[long wharf]

not everybody has the knowledge or will to go through that much Lua, though

[lethal lagoon]

Also height is kind of important for doggies

And honestly I just wanna know the full shape of the shriek

[wind spruce]

the duration is just too short. its garbage.

[austere crest]

THERE.

10m up, 10m down, 30m long, front dome 5m up 5m down

[lethal lagoon]

At 10 meters away you get 6 meters of verticality, at 15, you get 9 meters, 20 you get 10, 25 you go back to 9.

7 meters you get 5.

I think the seimcircle only exists horzontally? maybe.

5 Meters you get like 2

Face is about the same maybe less, I might need thicker dummies

[austere crest]

so i think the question is the semicircle shape altogether

let me see if i can get a more horizontal shot from top view

[hollow current]

but 2 seconds of meaningful breakpoints is worth more than 6 seconds mediocrity.

[lethal lagoon]

It's a mermaids tail maybe.

[wind jay]

It's a clown horn

[lethal lagoon]

Now what about the side heights

Also do we know it doesn't curve back in at 30meters horizontally, is it a cone all the way?

[wind spruce]

Ah yes, 20% crit chance is mediocrity

[austere crest]

it cones all the way and jsut has a hard stopping point

omg , this takes so fucking long to spawn 300 enemies

[lethal lagoon]

So it seems to be a sasuage on the side as well, 15 meters and a few meters to the right has less height.

Anyone know a map area with a big flat wall.

preferrably early on.

[frail harness]

Is there some bug with Run & Gun?

I've got run and gun from Hadron the last ~6 times in a row with trauma staffs

[austere crest]

probably tthe best way, i wish i coudl spawn them in the air, and just make a thick 3d cube of em

[lethal lagoon]

Also, does your will of the emperoro skill cd thing work?

[austere crest]

i saved it, will come back to it once i be productive for a little XD , i hyperfocus to hard on this XD

[wind spruce]

No it's just bad luck

[austere crest]

nope

[wind spruce]

Mine doesn't either

[austere crest]

whaa? whats wrong with it

[wind spruce]

Well bad lack if you don't want run n gun haha

[lethal lagoon]

Me too, no clue why lmao

[austere crest]

XD

GIMME

[wind spruce]

Heresy

[austere crest]

the least consistent combo i ran for fun ONE TIME was run-n-gun and surge on trauma, it was not really beneficial

just behind blazing spirit/runngun on trauma

we out here fam

[lethal lagoon]

Closeish - mid - far(28m)

The warp is a sasuage

I knew it all along

WAIT

Does this mean it was a cynlinder(ish) all along

[austere crest]

god damn everything is so subjective

thats still coning

[lethal lagoon]

[long wharf]

what's the question now?

[austere crest]

we dont even know anymore

[lethal lagoon]

So distance affects height, unsurprisingly.

The shape is sausage like

[long wharf]

you mean a cone

a 3d cone

[austere crest]

of course effects height, bc the cone goes up and down same as sides

[lethal lagoon]

But it goes down at the end

[austere crest]

that

and that

i think its the result of the farther it gets the wider up and down

[lethal lagoon]

But I just showed it doesn't

[austere crest]

i want to adjust this based on what u test

[lethal lagoon]

This is from 28 meters

I meant the shriek

The shriek was from 28, and then I went closer to see

This was closer

[austere crest]

wait

wtf

[lethal lagoon]

Yep

The warp is a sasuage

[austere crest]

XD i get that sausage now

we need to do the original aerial test, but with more distant enemies to see full edge

because that looks like width too

[lethal lagoon]

I wonder what's the best map for it

Needs a big clean open area with walls

[austere crest]

it definitely goes past what was here, so maybe goes back in

maybe ascension riser

after the broken drop down, the big room with the cross bridge

imagine fatshark just showing us the model's vector path

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Does the horizontal width drop off at the end or just vertical

The horizontal shouldn't be hard to test

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, just set a line of people at 30m

I can do that now

[wind spruce]

Get to the end of the range, move in, check width visually, move in slightly again, see if it widens

Yeah

[plucky ibex]

Does anyone know what shape this collides with? It may be a sphere.
local num_hits = broadphase:query(position, slice_radius, broadphase_results, enemy_side_names)

If it's a sphere then the algorithm is to iteratively move a sphere forward, with the sphere getting larger with each step

[hollow current]

precog is like 2 seconds of crit damage and you can crit on top of it. so ya

[cosmic sigil]

i went back to that build yesterday for my gunker, it felt good and consistent. And whenever i need to shriek, i won back most of the charges in seconds

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm

[cosmic sigil]

i wish there was an explanation for that

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers

Especially as it doesn't seem to be reflected vertically

Though I could be wrong on that, understablely that's hard to test.

[feral verge]

it's more consisent, and has constant uptime

[lethal lagoon]

They spawn a sphere, pause, and then start iterating spheres?

[feral verge]

has useful shit, like toughness on elite/special kill

[spice veldt]

do you want to talk about it atlas

[wind spruce]

Only if you hit weakspots or crit. You're not going to be critting that much. 2s is so short the uptime just isn't there, particularly when things are getting staggered by teammates. Even in hordes the uptime isn't there as you'll be staggering things yourself. Doesn't proc Mettle, perfect timing or empathetic evasion.

[wind spruce]

If you can show me a video of someone actually getting good use out of precog I'd be more convinced

[lethal lagoon]

There it's a semi circle after all

[lethal lagoon]

No

Wait you were sarcastically asking me if I was mentally okay, right?

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, seriously, wonder why i even bothered with ep at some point

i use the smite like a stun nade and played liked my zealot > win

[lethal lagoon]

[cosmic sigil]

i play assail with ep and dd and tbh, it's hard to feel a difference

on the other hand, bb with ep, yeah, that's a whole different world

[plucky ibex]

Ah yes something like this! Except fewer spheres. The values the code generates are like this. Position being how far in front of the player it is, and radius being the radius of the sphere:
Position: 2.5 radius: 2.5
Position: 5.0 radius: 2.5
Position: 10.0 radius: 5.0
Position: 20.0 radius: 10.0

[cosmic sigil]

i am tempted to try assail with siphon too

[lethal lagoon]

At 20meters I got 10 height

So I feel like that has to be it

The mystery is solved, @austere crest Cone believers are in shambles

[long wharf]

it doesn't "go back in"

[lethal lagoon]

It does

Go look at my clps

[long wharf]

I gave you guys the formula yesterday

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[cosmic sigil]

mystery deepens

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

That would also explain the random hourglass.

Well that was a lot of fun, I'm sure it'll be proven wrong soon

[hollow current]

Its a big help against carapace the most and deals with everything else just as good as riposte for my use. i got some clips but need to figure out how to chop them up.

[plucky ibex]

This is crudely drawn and probably not to scale, but I would say this most approximates the shape I'm seeing from the values the code generates

[wind spruce]

What weapon are we talking about, because that does change the equation

[plucky ibex]

Now I can't account for the semicircle around the player at the beginning. I don't see that happening anywhere in the code, but it seems to happen in-game so 🤷‍♂️

[austere crest]

XD

[austere crest]

it pobssably ends in spere yeah, but ur front is jacked now

sphere*

[lethal lagoon]

I knew it. It was the dogs all along. First Hunting Hounds modifer, now this

[lethal lagoon]

I mean that's how the shriek works though, but yeah, that bugs me

[austere crest]

gotta thingk og whrre theres a big enough area for vert view. maybe new carnival map

[lethal lagoon]

The end matches with sphere, I dunno if you saw these clips

#psyker-class message

vert also seems to match with sphere based on my earlier screenshots

[austere crest]

yeah, im saying it has to yeh

[lethal lagoon]

Ah,

[austere crest]

the front semi circle still eluding

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe psyker is postion 0 and everything - is deleted somewhere?

Wait no

2.5 postion, 2.5 radius.

Shriek up close should be just 1 enemy basically, but its not

I get what you mean now

[spice veldt]

the pills have gotten to you

[lethal lagoon]

The pills, like from the movie Limitless, right?

[spice veldt]

🙂

[wind spruce]

if (shout_dot < dot or distance_squared < CLOSE_RANGE

@long wharf found this yesterday

[coarse elbow]

what blessings and perks should i be aiming for on my force sword?

[lethal lagoon]

If you have a super general question like that, the guide is nice; #psyker-class message

[coarse elbow]

bet thanks

[lethal lagoon]

If you need help on a specific item, post a screenshot and we can help

[plucky ibex]

Yeah that's the code I'm looking through. I don't know Lua, but thankfully you can plug it into a online site and have it execute it for you. The CLOSE_RANGE check makes sense for detecting enemies right next to you, but it's only filtering out enemies detected by the broadphase.query. At this point the code would need to be generating the first sphere at position 0, but that's not where it goes according to my calculations 🤓

[lethal lagoon]

Is the player character at positon 0 though

Or rather, do attacks comes from 0?

[plucky ibex]

Err relatively speaking yes. The position passed into broadpahse.query adds the range to the player's position:
local position = player_position + shout_direction * range

[hollow current]

duelling mk4. precog just lets my build 2 tap the carapace much more easily without the perk whereas before it kinda happened on maulers and rarely or never did on ogryns.

[lethal lagoon]

Shout_direction might come from behind the character?

[hollow current]

I play psyker really forward tho so my shits probably weird

[wind spruce]

You still have the issue of whether it's actually proccing enough for a decent uptime

You dodge a lot but actually landing a attack dodge happens far less than people realise

[plucky ibex]

shout_direction would just be a vector in the direction you're facing that the shout should proceed along. The initial position is going to be player_position. It's possible player_position has some small offset from your perceived position, but that feels a little strange.

[lethal lagoon]

2.5 would be in-game meters which would be signifcant, yeah.

[dense beacon]

is it weirdc that with other classes I listen to metal while I play but with psyker I listen to classical?

[lethal lagoon]

No.

[plucky ibex]

Clockwork Orange style?

[dense beacon]

Im dumb I dont get reference

[plucky ibex]

Sorry it's a movie from the 70s, about a guy who's in a gang of ruffians who go around raping and murdering. I remember he liked listening to classical music.

[dense beacon]

then yeah I listen to classical music while murdering heretics

[ornate hamlet]

Is this ass? The mobility is nasty

Pretty low

[lethal lagoon]

Fairly close to perfect depending on what that perk is

[ornate hamlet]

Sprint efficiency unfortunately. I did roll FF4 tho

[lethal lagoon]

Oh nice

Then you are set, flak and dumdum are the most important

[ornate hamlet]

Cool cool B) ty

[lethal lagoon]

The 2nd perk is just gravy

[austere crest]

luckyyy

sprint eficiency is so epic

put it on every curio and weapon, and is nice nice

but actually never do that for practical builds

only the weird ones

Oh wow its heretic time yay see u in tertium siblings.

[austere crest]

FrIenD

[plucky ibex]

Oh wait I think I figured it out. It's not spheres, it's boxes

[austere crest]

wot

[plucky ibex]

This is gonna be hard to draw, give me a minute

[austere crest]

shout? meaning, the hourglass sausage doggie lipstick adapts to hit boxes?

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[wind spruce]

Frond

[lethal lagoon]

we're back to cones

[plucky ibex]

Ok, so you're the red box, and the blue boxes are the broadphase.query areas. Included enemies are those found in the blue boxes that are either within the close distance or within the cone angle and are not farther than the max distance.

[lethal lagoon]

How's the height work though then?

[late stag]

how come i cant send images?

[lethal lagoon]

Go emote the rules or somethng

Or check your messages

[plucky ibex]

I wasn't paying attention, what were the height results you were seeing?

[lethal lagoon]

It matched the sphere theory

[late stag]

theres nothing

[lethal lagoon]

20m had 10m height both ways

[plucky ibex]

Also so the green shaded areas are the areas where you would expect to hit enemies, which I think lines up pretty well with that overhead shot that was posted earlier in the psykhanium

[lethal lagoon]

or 10m radius

But it functions in 3d, so I dunno how that would be done in this manner

[plucky ibex]

Hmm, well because is symmetric, my expectation is you can look at my drawing as a top-down view, OR as a side view.

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, but what does this have to do with the boxes?

Oh, you mean the cone angle is how it's calculated?

But it's not really a cone, cause it falls off at 20m to 30m

[plucky ibex]

The boxes explain how you can hit enemies immediately to your sides, when I thoguht they were spheres they wouldn't be able to hit things off to your side.

[lethal lagoon]

That's true, but it kind of feels forced for the rest of this.

Nothing really explains how they managed the "sausage" within the boxes

Cause this is pretty accurate to how it actually functions in game;

[plucky ibex]

Well alright, I know the dimensions of the boxes, but I don't have access to the data for the dot angle, max ranges, and other values. So there's defintiely some slop in my drawing.

[lethal lagoon]

So it's just some hidden math for a curved cone and a semi circle within boxes, is what you mean?

I'm not aruging just confused 😖

[plucky ibex]

Well there is a lot of math going on

[lethal lagoon]

Out of curisoty, could you get the same values for the vet shout?

Like the position and radius thing?

Cause that would answer if player position is offset

[plucky ibex]

To break it down, there are the broadphase boxes which are a requirement. If an enemy isn't in one of these they won't be considered. After that they can either be within the clsoe distance which produces taht close in curved line, or they have to be within that cone. And even then they have to be closer than the far curved black line.

[lethal lagoon]

Ohhh

[plucky ibex]

I haven't looked at the vet shout code at all, so not sure at the moment how it works.

I don't think the player position is offset, cause that would be kinda weird. If I wanted to generate an offset to start an ability at, I would create a new variable and call that like shout_position or something. I don't see anything in the code that is modifying player_position so taht leads me to believe it is the real player's postion.

Let me try drawing an overlay on top of the top-down image, mayb e that would help

[lethal lagoon]

My beautiful Warp Sausage

Back to cones

[plucky ibex]

Yeah sorry back to cones 😆

So the boxes probably don't factor in that much, in terms of the final shape, simply because the dot product is contained entirely within them I think. They're probably only interesting in a technical sense of how this works under the covers.

[lethal lagoon]

This fits my testing

[tulip kettle]

to be clear

[plucky ibex]

It's important to note that the max distance calculation is a distance from the player, which means that cutoff will produce a circular cutoff shape at the far end

[tulip kettle]

atlas is talking about the vertical spread

[lethal lagoon]

It's same from what I understand, other than being 3d for the whole shout

My picture is vertical but you can flip it for horizontal

It's a cylindircal cone then probably

[plucky ibex]

Right your picture is effectively correct. Underneath it's boxes, but the math layered on top is effectively carving circles out of them because when you do a disatnce check from a point you have effectively generated a sphere.

[lethal lagoon]

Breh, it's literally an ice cream cone

I think we started talking about those when we first start this

[tulip kettle]

okay, but now im confused, becase we have a very clear understanding of the shape from the top down view, and its clearly a cone not spheres but we are assuming

that its spheres in the vertical?

[lethal lagoon]

Uhhh no.

So the vertical from the side, and horizontal from the top are the same

So the 3d image is basically an ice cream cone

[tulip kettle]

yup i gotcha

[lethal lagoon]

it's also possible the "ice cream" is more blocked than rounded, but I'm okay with the ice cream cone theory.

[plucky ibex]

Here I added a little legend since my curved lines aren't great looking

Ok and that's still hard to read, the far line is a sphere with radius 30, and the close curved line is a sphere with radius, whatever close is considered, I'm guessing 5, but maybe half that

[lethal lagoon]

That picture doesn't cover 30 meters I think, so it's hard to draw it accurate to the thing.

[signal juniper]

I have nothing good to contribute to this aside of the fact that I appreciate all you guys' drawings, they're hilarious.

[lethal lagoon]

That's probably around 23 meters based on the spread

[plucky ibex]

And the reason it doesn't hit anything behind the player is because the initial cube is 2.5m in front of the player with dimensions of 2.5m.

[lethal lagoon]

So they set boundary boxes and then calculate Ice Cream of the Warp.

[plucky ibex]

🍨

[stiff falcon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/izHGjCm6Pl

[lethal lagoon]

https://media.neimanmarcus.com/f_auto,q_auto:low,ar_4:5,c_fill,dpr_2.0,w_418/01/hc_3568342_100215_m

But ice cream

[lethal lagoon]

I just played with the strangest psyker I've ever seen. They had about 150 prestige levels. Their equipment was a combat knife, a surge staff, and three stamina curios. They had Venting Shriek and a bunch of passives, none of the keystones or other talents.
@austere crest

[austere crest]

i legit thought they were talking about me

[lethal lagoon]

Someone took your build

Lmao

[austere crest]

oh

hahahaha

they exaggerated ALOT

[lethal lagoon]

Oh wait that WAS you

prestige levels confused me

That's really funny

[stiff falcon]

It’s pretty entertaining tbh

[austere crest]

XD

[stiff falcon]

Guy gets carried by a talented player, cries about it

[lethal lagoon]

I saw the "20 elite kills" and it has me thinking the guy doesn't use PC

[austere crest]

they downvoted me hard

[stiff falcon]

He does he’s just bad it seems

[austere crest]

i was trying to be nice idk, i dont think im a dick player, i just dont like to let things live too long

[lethal lagoon]

I think he would mention your no armor mod if they were talking about hacking

The downvotes are bizzare though, that's reddit I guess

[austere crest]

that was ascension riser, first match of night, i was going straight into fire no fucks

[wind spruce]

By combat score are we sure they don't mean offense score on the scoreboard mod?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I have no idea what "combat score" is. That might make sense.

Oh, yeah, that would fit.

[stiff falcon]

Watch me get downvoted harder

[austere crest]

damn not even OK is aloud

[stiff falcon]

If what was said was even possible it would be used privately to farm not on pubs

[austere crest]

ive never heard of anyone being able to get from start to enemies in 5s though, they are just upset and bullshitting

[lethal lagoon]

Magi has a pretty short intro, I think with the right spd build it can "feel" like 5 seconds, but yeah, just seems salty.

"Literally wiped out the entire map"
"Quit the match immediately because I didn't want to be associated with it."

Enough reddit for today.

[stiff falcon]

I’ll quit matches where players are too slow

[lethal lagoon]

I just meant they are contradictory statements

[stiff falcon]

I of course want to wait 3 mins per airlock because you want to triple check

[austere crest]

XD is funny

[stiff falcon]

If I can’t vote kick the player I will just find a new lobby

[stiff falcon]

The one dude saying he tried to throw a game

[ornate hamlet]

what is L1H2 mean when talking about the blaze swords

[stiff falcon]

Light 1 heavy 2

[ornate hamlet]

gotcha

[lethal lagoon]

First light attack in the combo. Second Heavy attack in the combo.
So one light attack, l1, followed by a heavy, h2, skipping h1.

[ornate hamlet]

wait how do i skip h1

[lethal lagoon]

with l1

[ornate hamlet]

just following l1 with a heavy attack?

[lethal lagoon]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

gotcha

i didnt know you skipped to h2 after l1 thats wild

whats ur favorite force sword? im havign atrouble finding something i can get out of a tight spot with

[austere crest]

"my teammate better than me, i better sabatoge the whole team"

[lethal lagoon]

Dueling Blaze sword

[ornate hamlet]

LOL troll. I love the duel but i hardly use it

[lethal lagoon]

I mean Illy is easy to use, you can spam lights, specials will stun ragers, crits will kill mutants quick.

[ornate hamlet]

I do not understand the block knock back stuff with the force swords that confuses me

[lethal lagoon]

Which part of it?

[ornate hamlet]

uhh the hand think looks like its aborsbing stuff and it feels like it does no knock back

[limpid willow]

Hi all, quick question. Is warp resistance a dump stat on trauma staff?

The grind has been killing my soul

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I barely use that, I've heard people rave about it. The regular block push on force swords is pretty great though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8JgIjm1FOI&t=3s Here's a good use of illy in a tough spot.

[lethal lagoon]

For blaze, that's good

Come back with the upgraded orange

[limpid willow]

I'm pretty dumb, but I think this is a brick right

[austere crest]

i did it, i can quit the game now

[lethal lagoon]

It's a uh.... It's a staff alright.

[limpid willow]

well... back to the grind I gues,,

[lethal lagoon]

So you can try to swap both blessings with nexus and blazing.

Flak is good, and no 5% crit chance sucks but it's not going to ruin the staff.

That said, I personally collected Surge on Trauma because I'm hoping they add to the right click eventually.

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky ibex]

@lethal lagoon Oh I just noticed something. The dot product (the cone part) is a "flat" check which means it's actually only doing an angle check along the ground plane. So the height that an enemy can be affected is determined by the box dimensions (the ones I listed earlier).

[limpid willow]

I'll do that. I just have to collect the blessings now....

Thanks for the help!

[lethal lagoon]

Instead of just collecting blessing you can try another good grey, just depends on your gold vs plasteel ratio.

[limpid willow]

wait, is it possible to roll level 4 blessings by upgrading to blue?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[limpid willow]

ah, thanks

[plucky ibex]

Can you? I've never seen level 4 blessings on a blue before. But maybe I've just been unlucky.

[ornate hamlet]

is this a decent base? 🤔

[lethal lagoon]

Ye, that matched my testing.

[lethal lagoon]

Now I'm not sure, I do have weapons with 4th in the first slot, but of course I don't remember if they were upgraded.

I've been meaning to do some roll, might as well do it now see if I get lucky

[plucky ibex]

I'm probably just unlucky. I've definitely gotten level 3 blessings with blues.

[lethal lagoon]

Can the emperor gift level 30 blues?

No right?

By level 30 I mean gift em at level 30.

[plucky ibex]

Yeah the rarity is mostly a function of the difficulty you play on. I think you get mostly blues around malice.

[lethal lagoon]

So if I find a blue with a tier 4, it's confirmed

[plucky ibex]

Yup, and then if you pull that off I want your luck too 😆

[lethal lagoon]

Not sure you want this luck, but here you go

[wind spruce]

Hang on

Do the mutants in wave of mutants maelstrom have less health

[lethal lagoon]

no

take more damage

So it fucks with the scoreboard

[wind spruce]

Ok so effectively less health

How did I not know this

[lethal lagoon]

No idea, it's fairly obvious

[wind spruce]

Playing duelling sword to much and one shotting them anyway xD

[topaz yoke]

Hey yall, is there any new technologies in the last couple of months for fishing for blessings?

Is it better to upgrade greys to blue's, or high level purps to orange to fish for a tier 4 only perk?

[lethal lagoon]

Make multiple characters of the same class for more melk rolls

[topaz yoke]

[lethal lagoon]

Do it

[topaz yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/overwhelmed-facepalm-cant-even-ugh-smh-gif-14549636

I wanna put surge on this soooo baaaaad

obesefish pls

[lethal lagoon]

That's actually how I got surge after giving up after blowing tens of thousands of plasteel

Alt psyker meta

[topaz yoke]

[untold niche]

nobody has proven it with a substantial sample size
All you hear is "trust me bro i played very long"

Personally i believe in the rumours

im here just to send this

r4t1ons

[untold niche]

very pwo, what a nice clutch

[lethal lagoon]

Oh that's @plucky flax

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

Not me I'm not that good.

[inland ridge]

people who play psyker melee are insane

outside of scrier u get like 2 hit by poxwalkers and u go down lol

but I respect it

especially after playing Ogryn, going from that to melee psyker is like self-imposed challenge

though it's really fun ngl

[plucky flax]

Illisi clear horde very well and have big cleave.

It's very safe against weak chaffs.

[eager token]

but you get to do fun things like this

[inland ridge]

haha

that is awesome

[austere crest]

I hate lights out.

[inland ridge]

oh not about the weapon, i have Dueling sword and it's great but I was holding a bridge and my teammates behind me then they left and couple pox walked right behind me and instantly downed me

[austere crest]

Oh! You're a psyker.

THis is normal.

[inland ridge]

and also not saying that it's not my fault since it is with lack of awareness but just coming from an ogryn that froze me for a second with how i got 1 hko by a pox

[eager token]

yeah poxbursters are what i look out for most on psyker

[austere crest]

Oh you're on a 120 kill streak? Single groaner punches the back of your head.

[inland ridge]

yea exactly what happened to me lol

rip

[eager token]

bosses can fuck you up real easy too if you aren't careful

[inland ridge]

then the rest of the game I just stuck with my teammates and didn't try to hold any sides down and just supported them instead

thankfully that was my only down

[austere crest]

You completed 90% of the level without taking a hit? Here's a single silent poxburster, go fuck yourself.

AI Directors love us

[mental grail]

it really is the single poxwaker in the 145th corner of whatever level you're on

blocking constantly basically became a nervous tick

[austere crest]

I just clutched a big ass section of a map (lights out) , get to the team, rescue zealot, zealot pops the relic thing, but I can't get anyone else up because gunners were just ready to fire in the dark fromjust outside their relic glow, stagger zealot to downed while I get staggered, into a no outlet corner, as a horde spawns, a grenade appears at my feet. I start tap dancing the railing to some success, flamer comes up, torches me the rest of the way. I should have just blasted the area first to aggro and pull stuff out, but had a heads up there was no enemies, but literally it was just too dark for them to realized what was actually there. I blame poor decision making on my part after a bunch of good decisions. I managed to record it, just gotta cut put the clips together. But yeah, fuck lights out, and fuck stagger on gunners rn. XD

[stiff falcon]

Lights out pain

[austere crest]

Or the ultimate own: Single random trash gun homie, that just does those little tap shots from a random angle, just hitting you enough to keep toughness gone, THEN the poxwalker that you thought was dead, gets up, and punches the back of your head. lol

[austere crest]

fr. had to vent

[mental grail]

I imagine the AI hand-guiding these little assholes whilst shuffling its mechanical hands in a evil manner.

Same way it's spawns those lone poxbursters from random alleys to blast you in the back

[austere crest]

God but who doesn't love getting blasted in the back

Wait wrong discord XD

[mental grail]

I remember CCing some poxwalkers on Hourglass only to have a singular poxwalker spawn directly behind me, blast me completely off the upper platform, all the way down to the bottom (leaving me on a sliver of health) only to land next to another poxwalker, downing me instantly in the middle of a horde.

I actually saw red I won't lie

[untold niche]

yeah i saw the channel name

[untold niche]

anything after playing ogryn is a challenge (other than meta vet)

[austere crest]

[lethal lagoon]

@plucky flax Indeed has nice videos. He also has a auric maelstrom duo where I carried him as a level 6 psyker.

[austere crest]

XD

link link

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ-bMEwvcxw&t=1s

[austere crest]

tyty

ITS ONLYSMITES YAY

[lethal lagoon]

That was my second game as OnlySmites, I stayed true to my name

[austere crest]

this is such a dirty cheese with smite and constant AOE XD

[lethal lagoon]

Look at this carrying, ignore the scoreboard at the end of the mission, it's clearly bugged.

[austere crest]

idk why i always find this funny on trauma, i do the same thing for a single poxwalker too XD

[lethal lagoon]

It is amusing

The gibbing animation on trauma

So beautiful

[austere crest]

you're a trip Atlas

[lethal lagoon]

Scoreboard is fake news obviously

[austere crest]

Is the quell canceling onthe primary fire for that speed

(in chaos vid)

nvm it has to be XD that look nuts i havent seen that ina while

i like doing on void while holding charge, its goofy fun

[lethal lagoon]

His other trauma vids are nice to watch

[austere crest]

You actually only smited this haha

[lethal lagoon]

I even onlysmited at level 1

[austere crest]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-nod-okay-gif-25128054

[plucky flax]

Yeah quell cancel lmb spam is faster than bb.

[austere crest]

everything is faster than bb

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

Even BB is faster than BB

[austere crest]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

[austere crest]

BB is BaeBae

[golden kite]

Gun Psyker viable?

[mystic flare]

what perks/blessing should I alter on this?

[lethal lagoon]

Columbus MK5 is completely busted on pysker, so ye.

[golden kite]

Thank it sounds super interesting

[elder glade]

Gun psyker is way more than just viable

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

[lethal lagoon]

You can... I guess... switch ranged damage to flak and transfer peril to rending shockwave.

But it's not a great staff. Charge rate is also a pretty important stat on trauma

I'd just scoop warp flurry 4 and try again

Might be worth trying it out as a rendings taff though

[mystic flare]

Only staff I got atm so I'll use what I got then

Ty

[plucky flax]

Bruh I just wasted 500k ordos and 10k plasteels. Great crafting system.

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[plucky flax]

Gonna stop before I mald.

[wind spruce]

But you have perf blaze trauma, no need crafting

[plucky flax]

Wanted to craft a decent kantrael shotgun on my vet.

To have a similar one to the one on my zealot.

[onyx sentinel]

Does true aim gain stack from all cleaved enemies or just the first target

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

All

I call it The Crusher Crusher

[onyx sentinel]

I’ve drank the assail + EP kool aid

What even is void staff

[lethal lagoon]

All cleaved

[wind spruce]

Someone link me their void, assail, shriek, warp charges build

Pls

What the actual fuck is this

It's so bad I can't comprehend it

[stiff falcon]

Me looking at the average ogryn build

[golden kite]

Don’t quit. Who knows you might get 380 tier4 perks and blessings on your next roll.

There is no losing in brunt’s shop

[wind spruce]

You only lose if you give up

[austere crest]

per day

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like you'd want EP with that

Tough to get the warp charges tree with assail cause assail needs both talent boths

Both talent points....

or DD I guess

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's why I want to see what people are sacrificing

I don't agree assail needs both points

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah cooldown is negotiable depending on your tools

[wind spruce]

I usually don't run quick shards and rarely run out

[mighty olive]

___>;;

[lethal lagoon]

But even without CD, you are still missing one point

PC isn't that great on Voidstrike

But it is on assail

So it's not like you can trade it for pyschic vampire

[wind spruce]

I tried this

[lethal lagoon]

That's what I came up with

But there's no pysch vamp

So it's awkward

[wind spruce]

Im considering dropping true aim since im running flurry and nexus

but idk

I really, really want to convince myself this is good

Max damage

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, dropping warp charges is the right move

Plus DD with right click assail is 😚

[wind spruce]

No solidity is real rough though

but you can fix that

[austere crest]

Stabbys back babiee

[lethal lagoon]

Yes Inquisitor, this psyker right here.

[austere crest]

pANTS ARE FOR THE UNCLEAN

[untold niche]

Assail and void is dumb dumb

As for your previous image, drop second bobble augment, nade change to smite.
Pick up soulstealer and quietude

[plucky flax]

Would like unyielding rather than +specialist but I am broke.

[wind spruce]

Assail and void is not dumb dumb lmfao

[untold niche]

Ok then I would drop solidity, you would want DD last node

Oh right with assail you arent

Ahhh

Ok yeah.

Me me too dumb to advice

How much peril does one shot of assail generate?

[wind spruce]

It's 10% base

[untold niche]

If its like 10% then I understand why you want solidity and then I'm too dumb for this specific build

[wind spruce]

Yeah you generate so much peril

[untold niche]

Why do you want to run assail with void though

[plucky flax]

At least vet is pretty balanced.

[wind spruce]

Because assail fills in voids weaknesses

[untold niche]

Void only struggle slightly with gunners tho

[wind spruce]

Void struggles the most out of all the staves with gunners and spread out enemies in general

[untold niche]

Prob, drop PC for DD last node

[untold niche]

Yeah the most but it isn't that bad. But let me google what disparate means

[wind spruce]

Spread out was how I was using it

But I just googled it myself and it might be a word I've been misusing lmao

I'd rather have PC than DD last node

But the whole thing is I'm just iterating on the build

PC is nice for stacking soul blaze with venting shriek

[untold niche]

Yeah early on you defo struggle with open areas. But you play a while more and you subconsciously position yourself so that they funnel to you.

To be very honest, if weakness against gunners and open areas is non acceptable I wouldn't run void. I get how you feel though.

[wind spruce]

I negotiate it by adding assail

Assail is also bonkers for staggering stuff

You can switch to it and fire two shards then switch back in less than a second

The additional damage is fun

[untold niche]

With high peril gen you prob want the blessing on your void that quells peril on kill

[wind spruce]

Yeah i was messing with that

But it doesn't gel with creeping flames

[untold niche]

How come?

[plucky flax]

Balanced?

[wind spruce]

Because you can't reliably get to/stay above 83% peril

[untold niche]

KONGRATS NOW DOGS HAVE A 100% LETHALITY RATE

[wind spruce]

But it is fun to launch a couple of shards, switch to void and see your peril drop by a ton

[plucky flax]

[untold niche]

I wouldn't care about peril edging if I have that high of peril gen.
If I need to be high peril for VS then I would just charge my force sword

[wind spruce]

It's not about edging per se

Just getting to 83% for max creeping flames stacks

[untold niche]

If its about high peril for VS then just charge your force sword

[wind spruce]

I'm not using a force sword

[untold niche]

Consider using a force sword

[wind spruce]

My brother in christ, I have used them a lot

[untold niche]

Consider using a force sword for this specific build*

[wind spruce]

I mained illisi for like 6 months

Meh duelling sword to good

I also like having nexus and flurry

Makes void very consistent

And helps maintain mettle and perfect timing

[onyx sentinel]

the move speed difference for DSes vs force swords are so noticeable

[cosmic sigil]

It helps to have a lot of tg and play at high peril with a FS.

[onyx sentinel]

once you go DS everything feels so slow

[cosmic sigil]

Once you use a martyr zealot with a knife...

[onyx sentinel]

knife zealot is just kerillian

what's worth subbing out to get creeping flames? for surge staff

[cosmic sigil]

Assail Regen

[plucky flax]

Curious why you want to use assail with surge.

[onyx sentinel]

most people bring smite for hordes

but I don't like how smite looks

[marble crater]

I was thinking of trying surge and assail for a warp battery penance build

[stable halo]

This is why I run shards o hatred. It's a midrange stagger that doubles as a sniper/gunner killer and you can dump 5-9 shards on a crowd of poxers or infantry and get 2-3 headshots per shard. Poke the last guy in the face with the sword.

[inland ridge]

ty

[cosmic sigil]

and using the talent making you having dr with peril

don't forget to use soulstealer as well, it's a way for you to gain back tg in melee quite easily

[inland ridge]

which of the FS's u recommend?

[stable halo]

Does anyone else run the mk 4 force sword? I never see it being used. The charged attack stun locks everything but bosses, and the attack pattern gives 3 wide arcs and a powerful stab that I really like for dealing with mixed melee.

But it's also just the one I rolled a 378 on and never switched it up for a long time so it might just be familiarity.

[marble crater]

Depends on your ranged weapon, deimos for single target if you have a horde clear ranged, illisi for horde clear if your ranged is more single target

[inland ridge]

oh sweet, ty

[urban sandal]

It's pretty commonly used with things like the trauma staff

[cosmic sigil]

i would start with the illisi tbh

when you're confident enough, try the pokey life with a knife / ds / deimos

[plucky flax]

Me playing trauma with illisi.

[urban sandal]

horde clear the build

I was using the mk4 dclaw with trauma for the longest time

then I discovered the ridiculousness of the mk4 dueling sword

[plucky flax]

I actually play illisi (for deflector) or mk5 duelling with trauma.

Mk5 for the speeed

[urban sandal]

I can get behind that

[stable halo]

I wanted to get into the dueling sword life, but the lack of charge attack and force push felt like losing too many tools I was used to having

[magic hull]

oo

auric maelly

[lethal lagoon]

Cough cough, on Orthodox surge, smite is for "oh fuck we are gonna die" moments.

Flaming shriek is for hordes.
Typically speaking, you won't even use smite, half it's use on a surge spam build is getting the CDR on kill aura cause BB is useless on surge spam.

[urban sandal]

that 1 shotgunner was like you aint goin fuckin anywhere

[stable halo]

Oh yeah that's the stuff

[inland ridge]

ty

[stable halo]

Nothing more satisfying than the wet slice of shards still killing and staggering dudes 5 seconds after you've switched to melee.

[magic hull]

its a nice combo

[stable halo]

If you run warp charges with the elite guaranteed charge, and you hit a wave of lightly armoured specials you can chain react off the free shards and drop 20+ . Feels godly.

[magic hull]

in high intensity sittuation i got like 5 pox rushing from all sides the force push singlehandedly saved me from all of it, definitely love the illisi now.

[half turtle]

dueling sword heavy is basically a charge attack that doesn't get stuck and doesn't need prep tho, and dueling sword weapon special staggers pretty much everything just like force sword push

although it is slightly more finicky bc you have to hit heads, but then again it also does not cost stam

although i guess if you're talking about illisi the first thing is not true LOL i was thinking of deimos

dueling sword does not clear hordes anywhere near as good as illisi

[stable halo]

I main Deimos. It gets a style point for the barbed tip.

[zenith vigil]

does this look good for psyker?

[stable halo]

I personally don't like the dclaw

But shiny 380

[half turtle]

hmm the sword looks fine but yeah i don't usually run dclaw on psyker

it's a great horde clear weapon if you run like surge or gun probably

[zenith vigil]

I do play surge

[magic hull]

oh, some nice deimos mechanic in case u didnt know. U can do even faster than what i did in the video.

[zenith vigil]

what kind of blessing should I have on it

[half turtle]

basically it's good against everything in a mixed horde except carapace, bulwarks, kinda maulers

[stable halo]

Are you just throwing block to reset the jab?

[half turtle]

hmm i kinda like the ones that give damage or cleave on hit personally

but idk if that's optimal

[half turtle]

you can do this with the dclaw parry too it's pretty broken

[magic hull]

yeah, some combos:

1. Ligh - Block - Light - Block
2. Light - Heavy - Block - Light - Heavy - Block...
3. Light - Heavy - Light - Heavy

pretty high ceiling if you can combine all of those

[stable halo]

Delicious, that stab does so much damage and stagger

[magic hull]

yeah the only thing about deimos is that it does disgusting damage on the head. Body not so much.

[rigid sky]

I think the Mark I is the least popular due to its moveset

I usually see the Mark IV most advocated for.

[half turtle]

yeah mark 4 is the most convenient with the movset i think

H1 is a chop and L1 is a sweep so you can easily spam headchops with block canceling and spam sweeps with L1 H2 L1 H2

[stable halo]

I was doing the heavy light combos on Mauler packs, but I'm definitely going to add the block in (who needs to block when you can just dodge and stagger at midrange with assail?)

[icy gulch]

I'd just spam light heavy to the head if I were you. Makes it a little more simple

[stable halo]

Boink! Bonk!

[rigid sky]

You mean light heavy?

[stable halo]

Order lol

Actually I usually use a heavy attack first when entering melee since I can charge it while closing distance

[icy gulch]

Also kind of the same thought I had and why I stopped using deimos all together. (I mostly kept it for deflector and the strong push). I instead using the dueling saber mk4 now for that juicy heavy stab.

And the special stab has insane stagger

[half turtle]

you can heavy > special really fast too

the special comes out almost instantly

[icy gulch]

Yeah

[half turtle]

so you can really safely fight multiple ragers by heavy > special taggering each in the head repeatedly

ds4 is just busted at killing anything that isn't 400 poxwalkers

[stable halo]

Yeah my build is weak to lots of armor - I supplement with cowboy pistol. Shards closing to melee, dodge back and dump cylinder, rinse and repeat

[icy gulch]

Yeah I really only pull my sword out to deal with elites right on me and the dueling saber handles them quite well

[icy gulch]

I use purgatus for that

[magic hull]

yeah the stun is pretty nasty. I love deimos but i struggle quite a bit when im playing t5 auric mael.

[half turtle]

yeah i think my normal play pattern is to stagger shit with ranged, and then if something drops in front of me i pull out the sword and stab 'em

with trauma that includes guys i stagger into myself

it's pretty fun to knock a trapper or flamer or rager into you and then stab it in the head

[stable halo]

It's very satisfying to poke a fist sized hole in the heretic who got within your personal bubble. It feels appropriately dismissive.

[magic hull]

you should go in the training room and get use to all those combo. I say Deimos is fun because it actually has skills 😂

[icy gulch]

Trauma used to be my go to at launch and in the beta days but I've become a big purgatus fan. It just feels fun and can still stagger most things with the m1

You do miss out on the ranged attack but I bring assail for that

[magic hull]

sometimes you get the 2nd heavy animation, nobody wants that, u want the heavy stabby, understanding the combo means you can always stun them on demand

[stable halo]

I can't find a staff that I like to use because they're a little slower on the time from switching to threat elimination, vs switching to/from assail/sword

[magic hull]

i suggest surge, good Cc, good damage, give you breathing space when theres like 10 ragers and 8 crushers noclipping inside each other and rushing you

heavent tried trauma so im no position to say about that 😦

[stable halo]

Surge is the Palpatine one yea?

[magic hull]

but i reckon trauma is similar

[icy gulch]

Trauma is really good

Imo it's probably the best staff

Even though I don't use it anymore

[stable halo]

Which one had the bugged damage for awhile?

[icy gulch]

Voidstrike?

[stable halo]

It was a zappy one

[marble crater]

Surge

[icy gulch]

Surge

[wind spruce]

Surge was bugged with EP

[stable halo]

God that was fun for a minute

[icy gulch]

Wasn't voidstrike bugged a long time ago or am I misremebering

[stable halo]

Everything exploding into gore

[hollow halo]

community went wild

[wind spruce]

Not that I recall. It was extremely overtuned in patch 13, but not bugged

[icy gulch]

Gotcha. Could be what I'm remembering

[austere crest]

i mustve been on eu servers, my ping last match was 176, shit sucks with dodges and burster pushes

but had a really good psyker with trauma on the team, they were super impressive, Asina

I feel like I rarely get to enjoy playing calmer with strong ass peeps like that

[plucky flax]

Playing well with trauma is impossible.

Pls no lie.

[radiant frigate]

is that the talent tree patch

what was overtuned about it

[jaunty tiger]

so question, just started psyker

is the deimos special bad or is it just me

[stuck sinew]

Situational

[radiant frigate]

kind of

it's fun for mutie jousting

[stable halo]

It stuns crushers, maulers, ragers out of attacking

[spice veldt]

there's a use case for it but i would avoid using it most times

[jaunty tiger]

correct me if im wrong

but doesnt the normal heavy stab

[stable halo]

It's also not bad for dogs since you just need to catch it once to kill it all the way

[jaunty tiger]

alerady do that too

[radiant frigate]

Yes

tbf deimos l1 already oneshots dogs, no?

[stable halo]

I usually need 2 heavy stabs to interrupt a mauler?

[radiant frigate]

or is that just on headshot

[jaunty tiger]

let me try mauler

[radiant frigate]

deimos h2 to the head sends anything that isn't a boss to the floor

includes crushers and maulers

[jaunty tiger]

ya that's what i thought

at least when i tested earlier

its part of why i just dont understand the point since it makes me animation stuck

while it plays out

[stable halo]

I use the special to break bulwark shield stance as well

And you don't need to be near a skull too induce the stun

[jaunty tiger]

that's true, ig just in a situation wehr ei cant aim for head easily (being swarmed) i also prob dont want to be animation locked is what i was thinking lol

[stable halo]

Yeah I've definitely timed it badly and ended up on the floor because it locks you in too

[radiant frigate]

deimos is like a dueling sword except it has force sword pushes and access to slaughterer

[jaunty tiger]

maybe ill just use dueling sword

ngl im just kinda disappointed since

i thought that was like the "draw" of the weapon lol

[magic hull]

i only use it to tippy tap mr mutant, and as he ran by, the camera flick 180.

[radiant frigate]

mutie jousting is fun

[jaunty tiger]

but after using it im like "this doesnt seem very good most of the time"

[stable halo]

"ole!"

[jaunty tiger]

the illsi one seems better but

[spice veldt]

the normals are the standout part of the deimos

[jaunty tiger]

it feels like just a reskinned powersword

[radiant frigate]

not quite

it is much worse vs crushers/maulers, and it is much more maneuverable

[magic hull]

i would say heavy special on illisi is really fun

[jaunty tiger]

well, i mean ignoring the nuances

just the general feel of it

[spice veldt]

yeah illisi is quite literally just patch 12 psword 1.1

[jaunty tiger]

i was looking forward to the stab and psyker channel powa thing

from watching others lol

[spice veldt]

to the point where it has a bug where the first target stat modifier doesn't affect the special attack of the illisi

[jaunty tiger]

where's force cycler then

[hollow halo]

Soon™️

[spice veldt]

and the offensive push-attacks 🥲

[hollow halo]

didn't someone leak a two-handed force sword in the game files, or am i misremembering?

[jaunty tiger]

also one other thing

is there a way to uh

repeat the L1

on deimos

the light stab

after H2

[spice veldt]

only way is to cancel the combo

[magic hull]

@jaunty tiger

Light - Heavy - Block - Light (whatever combo u want next).

some combos:

1. Ligh - Block - Light - Block
2. Light - Heavy - Block - Light - Heavy - Block...
3. Light - Heavy - Light - Heavy

[jaunty tiger]

is that better than just alternating light/heavy?

like i do like the stab more

[magic hull]

nah sittuational.

[jaunty tiger]

but idk about dealying to another heavy

ah ok

since it seems like h2 is the meat of the damage

[magic hull]

definitely learn it, so u can use the heavy whenever you want.

[spice veldt]

force swords in particular have another way to loop back to the first attack that i need to see how to do again because i forgor

[magic hull]

I can stun heavies on demand now thanks to understanding the combo

[untold niche]

illisi you don' need to charge to horde clear

[jaunty tiger]

ya i know

like i know the uncharged normals are good unlike psword whose uncharged normal hit like a wet noodle

but i just meant the general gameplay not the nuance

[untold niche]

left klik is stronk

[jaunty tiger]

felt like just charge sword do horizontal swing

[spice veldt]

ah right

[radiant frigate]

you power up and you slap things

it is very fluid and you can onetap a lot of stuff

[spice veldt]

if you tap RMB while holding LMB with a force sword, it cancels your current attack and initiates the first attack in the combo

[jaunty tiger]

ya ig i wa sjust looking for something much more different than illsi gameplay

from psyker i mean in general

[magic hull]

illisi power up heavy cleans a stacked horde nicely

[untold niche]

so attack that come out is a heavy? or lght?

[spice veldt]

depends on whether you hold LMB or RMB

lemme make a video

[untold niche]

ds4, devil claw, knives. prob.

[jaunty tiger]

i already play those on other classes 😔

its ok

[urban sandal]

dueling sword

[jaunty tiger]

i like duelling swords at least so far

seems fun

[untold niche]

isn't ds4 unique to psyker?

[jaunty tiger]

ye

oh

misread that as dc4 lol

i might play the deimos anyway since it feels like a fatter dueling sword to me lol

[untold niche]

can prob try a gunker build with volvo, ds4 and assail

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/0f5t0z

no weapon swapping in the above

[untold niche]

mistah arco, me me dumb dumb

is that heavy or light

as in the actual attack

when you do that tech

[spice veldt]

it can be either a heavy or light depending on how long you hold down LMB

tapping RMB while holding down LMB resets you back to the first attack in the combo

[jaunty tiger]

looks like i gotta practice that, looks like exactly what i wanted to be able to do lol

[spice veldt]

what happens after that proceeds as normal with regards to melee

[magic hull]

do you have a mod tgat removes the blurry force parry animation

[jaunty tiger]

thanks

[untold niche]

is that unique to deimos only?

[spice veldt]

ye

[untold niche]

or all weapon can do that

[spice veldt]

clean force blocking or something

all force swords can do it

the other melee weapons don't have this

[untold niche]

damn i was thinking oggie

imagine you have loopabable club mk1 heavy

insane

vewy inswane

[austere crest]

why do

[spice veldt]

yeah i'd just QQ most times

[austere crest]

why do zealots go invisible and rush a rescue in the middle of all gunners, it sets up instadeath everytime

[untold niche]

i do that but i don't go invis (and i don't rescue, just go in to try to kill them)

trust the lord to take me home

someone help me put pepe prayer

amen.

[urban sandal]

literally happened to me like an hour ago

[austere crest]

or in fire, like, u dont have to rush rescues like that XD

[urban sandal]

I'm surrounded by shooters and dreg gunners and he revives me while I'm still being loaded up with bullets

[austere crest]

Thanks i hate it lol

[untold niche]

honestly i think its an ego thing

" i did my job of rescuing you, you surviving or not is not my problem"

[austere crest]

yeah

its like, trying to be a teammate, but also not being spatially aware

[untold niche]

oh i think they are aware

sometimes on zealot when my team is actually too good, i do stupid stuffs just to make it slightly harder / experience the game

Though sometimes its at that exact momment director decides we are doing too good

[magic hull]

do you have macro? my stab isnt that fast even when i rmb lmb just like you did.

[plucky flax]

Bruh I had to play malice to get 1 mission without death.

[spice veldt]

nah i'm doing it manually

maybe cuz i have pretty good muscle memory on my fingers

[magic hull]

huh strange

this is usualy how i do my combos and switching it interchangeably. Cant stab as fast as you thought even though i tried rmb lmb as fast as possible. Animation slow i guess

[plucky flax]

Looks like 4:3 ratio for some reason.

[spice veldt]

it's [hold down LMB] -> [tap RMB] -> [then, you can either hold down LMB for a heavy, or let it go immediately for a light]

[magic hull]

if i can do that it will be very interesting to mishmash these combos

[spice veldt]

yeah having a way to reset back to the first attack without needing to go through the block (which has a minimum hold timing) or QQing (which prevents sideways movement) is pretty neat, esp for a weapon whose first attack is particularly nice

[austere crest]

this was the jankiest save ever. this mission had so many gunners the whole time, and everyone split up so much, i think that this started with ppl taking individual capsule back and not like all together

i took 1.2k damage that match just getting nailed the whole time or revived into deathtraps XD

[inland ridge]

wait is that actually level 2004 or am i confusing the level with something else

[austere crest]

i play alot

[inland ridge]

never seen anyone with 4 digits in my games like ever

that is incredible

https://tenor.com/view/respect-davis-boreanaz-salute-uniform-gif-11216021

[jaunty tiger]

how is smite btw

i always see smitekers do really low dmg so idk if its actually worth

or just assail

[urban sandal]

it's about the cc, not damage

smite comes in clutch in scenarios where you're being swarmed by armoured enemies

or ragers

[plucky flax]

My team sabotaged me. They were way behind and I was ahead closest to dh. Then they triggered the dh and it went on me.

[austere crest]

I'm going outside tomorrow.

[inland ridge]

haha nooo, that is actually awesome

also your gameplay is incredible as well

thumbs up from me

[elder glade]

Smite is good in about 5 to 10% of scenarios where the CC is absolutely needed (your back is against the wall sort of scenario). The issue is that there has been a lot of people who were taught a rather bad habit of trying to use it for damage and only horde clear rather than the CC alone. This causes issues

[austere crest]

ty that was the sketchiest shit ever lol

5 out of 10% is hilarious XD

[rigid sky]

It's more of a "hold 'em still while you build up a 6-stack Shriek" dealie, right?

[urban sandal]

doesn't help that shitty youtubers teach players to always be smiting

[plucky flax]

@lethal lagoon

[spice veldt]

always peak psykering when i see smite psykers with purg use smite on a pure horde

[rigid sky]

Taking Purgatus and Smite at the same time is already peak psyker

[spice veldt]

people really take "purgatus does no damage" to heart

[plucky flax]

Your psyker level is more than all my characters.

[rigid sky]

Truly the product of an incomparable mind

[plucky flax]

How many hours?

[rigid sky]

Oops, I mean, an INCOMPARABLE MIND

No caps = not spelled right.

[austere crest]

eek

XD

yt takes forever to process hd, got a good clip of runnin n gunnin goood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8LqegN-fb0

[plucky flax]

Damn I only have 1.8k

[zenith vigil]

oh, thanks

[rigid sky]

Disclaimer, I have never used a claw

[austere crest]

time doesnt mean talent dont be confused sibling

i'm a piece of glass on a deathwish

[rigid sky]

Just vomiting up advice that had been given to me before

But everyone says IV is best, VII is also OK, I is the drippings from Nurgle's diaper.

[austere crest]

i dont recommend my playstyle if not a masochist or thrill seeker

i never got into devils claw

but i know its great

the trauma psyker earlier that was absolutely killing it in one of my missions ran devils claw

[plucky flax]

I play trauma and surge mostly.

But trauma is really bad and need buff

[rigid sky]

One cast should completely purge Atoma of the heretical taint am I right

[magic hull]

good lord and here i am with 300

[rigid sky]

I have been told that Devil's Claw is great against everything but Crushers and Maulers, and in particular it's the best anti-rager weapon

And ragers are often the biggest individual melee threats

[magic hull]

wouldnt crusher be more of a threat? by a small margin.

mauler at least you can leg meta them.

[plucky flax]

So true

[rigid sky]

You can maneuver around them more, they're the anvil rather than the hammer

A hammer is dangerous enough even without the anvil

[austere crest]

wat

[elder glade]

[magic hull]

idk, i tend to fare better agaisnt 10 maulers than 5 crusher just because i know how to stun mauler that crushers cant en masses.

[plucky flax]

[flint aspen]

melk thing

bricked or usable

[austere crest]

doing hood rat shit with myself

[austere crest]

damn ok melk

[tired estuary]

its okay, def flush groaner perk

weakspot isn't ideal but at least its on duelling sword lol

[flint aspen]

which perk should I replace groaner with

[tulip kettle]

levelling new psyker, lvl 6, queue into a malice game. puts me in and im half hp and low ammo. lvl 40 vet trash talking me and the other lvl 7 that have joined. both proceeds to die, plogryn spawns, i am left to solo plogryn. Lvl 40 vet trash talking me the whole time how i will die and suck etc. Parry plogryn to death with catachan sword. gloat.

And this is why i love catachan swords, they just save you from so many insane situations that at least for me, with any other weapon, i would have died

[plucky flax]

How do you save you against 9 crushers?

[cosmic sigil]

prayer

[tulip kettle]

likely it wouldnt 😄

[hollow current]

probably not running into 9 crushers on malice tho

[tulip kettle]

not too concerned about meeting 9 crushers at lvl 6

[radiant frigate]

75 toughness makes me anxious just looking at it

[austere crest]

its very sketchy i promise XD

[flint aspen]

catachan = devil's claw, right?

oh, right it is devil claw

rolled another purgatus, bricked or usable

[feral verge]

useable

terrifying barrage to warp nexus

unarmored dmg to flak

this is peak purga

[austere crest]

seems decent enough!

[flint aspen]

I only have a level 3 warp nexus from my other purgatus

[feral verge]

still good

terrifiyng barrage is useless

dump it asap

does nothing, essentially

i'd take any t1 blessing over terrifying barrage t4

[flint aspen]

tho there's still a massive difference between level 3 and 4 warp nexus?

[tulip kettle]

no, there isnt

its 2% crit chance difference at max peril

[flint aspen]

ranged crit damage is a bit tad unlucky I assume

[tulip kettle]

and crit damage is bad, crit chance is good

[feral verge]

you ahve crit chance

[tulip kettle]

on purgatus

[feral verge]

not crit damage

[flint aspen]

oh

man I can't read today what is wrong with me

[tulip kettle]

best on purgatus is + flak and +5% crit chance

[feral verge]

crit chance is good, but not better than straight up damage

[tulip kettle]

some people prefer maniac but im not sure why

[feral verge]

i have used purga for many many hours

i feel the extra damage over the crit chance

[flint aspen]

rating went down, but otherwise I am surprised Hadron didn't brick this unlike the fucking Deimos

still salty over that

[feral verge]

look at my crit

3k lmfao

thats without crit chance

purga crits enough

between warp nexus, crit feat/aura