psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

phantom range my beloved, the "you are where you were half a second ago" rule

all the good stuff

[ornate hamlet]

How good is Lies of P?

Like if you can sum it up how would you?

I hear it's essentially BB2

[umbral helm]

spacing, aka "learning to predict the future"

[midnight jolt]

Solid, very solid, only game in 2023 that ran from day one at 144fps without upscaling at 1440p

[brisk grove]

legit if i play vermintide hosted on my own pc, it feels like enemies are dying before i even hit them

[ornate hamlet]

I should check it out

[strong gulch]

I hear pretty good things about Lies of P from my buddies.

[ornate hamlet]

Is they're magic in the game?

[midnight jolt]

is harder than the usual souls like games

[ornate hamlet]

I like playing mage

Even if sword mage so the only magic is the glow on my blade.

[umbral helm]

I've been doing it since Demon Souls, from Scraping Spear my beloved all the way up to ER where I have a low level build that throws firebombs at people and deletes them called Jarlsby Quiggles. it's honestly ruined PvP in other games for me, as odd as that may sound. invading just scratches a certain itch

[radiant frigate]

mischievous creature

[inland sand]

its mostly just kind of elemental attacks and sword play no real magic/wizard builds

[radiant frigate]

always been more of a duelist than an invader

[ornate hamlet]

Good enough for me honestly

[inland sand]

yeah its good

[radiant frigate]

i can only tolerate magic if it comes with melee

"sit in the back and cast" flavored mages make me want to vomit

[umbral helm]

duels are fun for a bit but always turn into meeting a lot of people doing the same thing. the community behind them tends to be too rigid and boring for my tastes, so I invade where the variables are more random

[ornate hamlet]

I like hybrid builds specifically

I love the idea of dispatching the weak with precise magic bolts but dueling the strong with swordplay.

That being aside I also like support

[strong gulch]

The garbage summoning / connecting times in the first Dark Souls got me through a class I was taking. Took so long I could legit study and get through large chunks of reading while waiting to be summoned / invade.

[ornate hamlet]

Which Ima dedicate my veteran towards.

That's actually a good point I could try practice low level invasions on ER and study in the mean time

Let out frustration from having to study

[lethal lagoon]

That would require people willing to buy it though 😅

Split up the playerbase enough and no one is buying DLC.

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine a Sims MMO I think it'd be lit.

[umbral helm]

so... a modern Second Life?

[ornate hamlet]

Ye

I mean you have werewolves for the furries lmao

[strong gulch]

Sims 4 was supposed to be like that. Online and connecting to other players. IDK about the millions at a time part.

[umbral helm]

now with triple the ERP

[ornate hamlet]

Nah MMO might be too much

I mean like 16 player lobbies so you can properly have a town with all your friends.

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine trying to work out if all your friends own the same DLC

[umbral helm]

or scheduling that, for that matter

[ornate hamlet]

I feel like DLC lends itself very well for playing with people who don't have it

And it could just be a dedicated server thong you can hop on and contribute too

[lethal lagoon]

Sure, but we are talking about sims, known for greedy DLC practices.

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I don't care enough about this to continue but those are simple solutions.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, modded would work

[strong gulch]

Image a sims dedicated server. Someone would be burning alive all of the time. 😭

[lethal lagoon]

Unofficially of course

[umbral helm]

speaking of scheduling, I need to talk to my buddies about our next BG3 session. it's a lot like actual DnD in that it never starts on time, and it's difficult to get everybody in one place for it

[lethal lagoon]

BG3 is a solo game or a couple's game in my book. Just cause how hard it'd be to get 4 people to degen thru it unless you are in highschool or something.

[ornate hamlet]

Gotta learn to idiot proof you house but the houses that aren't logged in could be instanced for passive income that being said I'm getting delightful ideas with having 16 player single household like can you imagine The Sime Bootcamp where you and your friends simulate forging a bond like no other.

I want to play BG3 but I'm intimidated by its praise I don't want to be disappointed.

Also I want to play D&D if anyone is interested.

[umbral helm]

it's been fun with our 4 man. I'm a half orc druid dealing with PTSD from a soldier background that struggles with the violent urges of his orcish half and the morality of violence as a concept, attempting to find balance internally through druidism and his adventure

[lethal lagoon]

I just question your ability to finish it 😅 , but I geniunely hope you do

[ornate hamlet]

I like how you have that and I'm like "Tiefling Wiccan druid who made a 'deal with the devil'"

[umbral helm]

we're in act 2 currently, poking around the shadowlands

I like making my characters have "character" so, it's natural

[ornate hamlet]

I like a base board and develope from there.

[strong gulch]

BG3 is pretty good. It's not perfect, but it is satisfying and has many ways to play. The UI and consequences sometimes just feck you because they were inconsistent, didn't make sense, or were clunky.

Don't assume that you know how something works, because some things work differently in the game.

[umbral helm]

I do it with all my invader characters. make the build, make the face, make the fashion to go with both, then write up motivations/reasonings/etc

I like themes

and gimmicks

[strong gulch]

My partner and I finally finished our run a few days ago.

[ornate hamlet]

I do that with every character everywhere even Darktide T_T

[midnight jolt]

I'm still heart broken about the VT2 p2p model, that killed my expectations 😦

[ornate hamlet]

Can you imagine how lucky it was for me when I ran into a lobby as a multiple personality psyker and three psykers had the exact same hair and voice in the lobby and the last character was a Vetran with a simular name.

[strong gulch]

Valid, but it's not too bad.

[umbral helm]

in my experience so far there are some unfortunate differences because they try to follow as closely to core rules of 5e as they can, but some things just don't translate well over to a digital game format, so they had to make some changes here and there

I'm also kinda disappointed by druid's cantrip choices, but core rulebook doesn't have much to be fair without Xanthar's and the other additional stuff

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know how but my Ogryn character has a personality of there own. Like I'm not going out of my way to personify the characters but as the Ogryn I try to play as a large friendly man but every time I play I get essentially rewarded for acting more like a bully.

[strong gulch]

The thrill and agony of different mediums.

[ornate hamlet]

God I want to play D&D

[umbral helm]

I live vicariously through Critical Role for DnD content when it comes to actual tabletop. BG3 has been something nice to sink my teeth into though

[ornate hamlet]

I just don't like the fact that as a video game it has to have some level of on rails

I want to get with a group and do something like raise a town together or whatever

[umbral helm]

yeah, actual DnD your imagination is the limit. there's really not much that can emulate that

which is why most DnD-likes end up falling a bit short, because people expect them to

[lethal lagoon]

crit to flak and flurry to flurry IV

Second one has bricked quell spd and no good perks

[radiant frigate]

i have yet to finish it

[lethal lagoon]

It does?

What do you mean?

Crit is additive with itself, so 5% crit chance perk doesn't do much.

Crit also isn't like most games where it does 100% damage or something.

[umbral helm]

you get most of the crit you need with warp nexus and crit bonus, better to take the damage perks for dealing with certain armor types

[strong gulch]

that

[lethal lagoon]

Crit Bonus is marginal, as long as it isn't 20% or something you are fine

The stats on the first one is basically meta

80/80/80/80 wit 60 crit bonus

[umbral helm]

if you inspect the weapon and mouse over it in that screen it'll show you the gap between low and high, as well as what your current stat number results in. it's not a very big margin

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind the range it shows is 0 to 100, which you can't get.

[strong gulch]

I personally like my crit bonus stat as high as possible, but I won't take high crit bonus if that means being stuck with bad other stats, perks and blessings.

[lethal lagoon]

Crit bonus Damage also doesn't work like you think it does.

It only affects the difference between a normal hit and a crit

Not the whole hit.

So it's less valuable.

[ornate hamlet]

Wait am what am I not seeing isn't the first more valuable?

[umbral helm]

I do wish crit damage was more impactful. that honestly might be what would help lift surge up a bit with its damage

[lethal lagoon]

I said the first staff is better?

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't even see what you said I just don't understand why it's a question.

[umbral helm]

a question is typically asked to get an answer, unless it's rhetorical

[strong gulch]

Not everyone has the same game knowledge.

Crit bonus sounds like it would be quite important; especially on a staff that lives and dies by crits.

[ornate hamlet]

I mean yeah

[ornate hamlet]

But the better one has better crit no?

[lethal lagoon]

No?

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no no wait now I see what I missed

[lethal lagoon]

The better one has 59% crit bonus versus 80%

[strong gulch]

No. The higher crit bonus one has 3 bricked perks and blessings.

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah I see that now OK yeah no Id have asked as well.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh do I

[strong gulch]

no

don't

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[ornate hamlet]

Bruh did you intend to make it look like a Brain and spine with lower back problems?

[lethal lagoon]

That's hilarious, so I'm gonna say yes

Memes aside, Flaming Shriek and Smite pairs super well with Surge, play around with warp charges if you'd like

[ornate hamlet]

Are the lower back problems because this build carries?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

Here's probably the most vanilla and orthodox Surge build possible if I don't like the one I linked.

[lethal lagoon]

It's honestly the easiest build I've ever run. It's kinda wild how much just mindlessly spamming buttons does on it.

Look my melee, crits, and weakspots

Also I tried to do another smite-only run and someone quit mid-way

[radiant frigate]

your lack of melee is concerning

[lethal lagoon]

They call me Triple Zero

🥹

[radiant frigate]

i wonder if anyone else runs this

[lethal lagoon]

For which weapon?

[radiant frigate]

illisi/voidstrike

[lethal lagoon]

I personally don't like kinietic resonance with flaming shirek.

Oh.

Then definitely no one

[radiant frigate]

that's a shame, they're missing out

[lethal lagoon]

BB doesn't have much utlity with voidstrike 😅

[radiant frigate]

perhaps not, but i'm not about to start using smite

[lethal lagoon]

I just leave BB blank

Or grab smite and never use it

On Voidstrike I mean

Voidstrike is stressed on points as is

Using two on a blitz feels unneeded

[vestal fulcrum]

I would get rid of the bottom Brain Rapture upgrade and spec that into baseline Disrupt Destiny, and move Wildfire to Pupper Master (coherency aura thing)

[radiant frigate]

the other option is just putting them into toughness DR i suppose

[radiant frigate]

why do you hate wildfire

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s a build you’ve posted, don’t ask me

[near wyvern]

Kinetic Flayer is so weak, the inner CD is too long. Take one point out of it, take one point out of a regular star node and invest one point in Puppet Master and another in Disrupt Destiny

[vestal fulcrum]

Wildfire doesn’t do a whole lot, I feel like

[radiant frigate]

disrupt destiny has never stacked for me

[vestal fulcrum]

I was on the WF train for a while

[radiant frigate]

it just goes wherever it pleases

[vestal fulcrum]

But imo there’s little to no reason to take in on non-Purgatus and Warp Siphon KS builds

[radiant frigate]

i made a typo before

[lethal lagoon]

Wildfire feels a lot stronger when you have ALL healthbars on

[near wyvern]

You don't need to care about the stacks, it's all about the highlights and you get extra toughness back when you kill that target, that's why one point in DD is cool

[lethal lagoon]

Can see what it does more often

[vestal fulcrum]

All good, I elaborated

[near wyvern]

A lot more useful than Kinetic Flayer

[vestal fulcrum]

Indeed, I concur with this notion

(It’s also what I originally suggested :) )

[radiant frigate]

interesting concept

[near wyvern]

Never underestimate the importance of awareness

[radiant frigate]

it is however funny to have a brain burst trigger another brain burst, and watch a crusher fall over immediately

or a surge doubleshot triggering one, and a crusher falls over

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn’t have a problem with Kinetic Flayer if it could only trigger on elite/special/monster hits

But it triggers on everything is the problem

And having the skill once in 15s is not great, either

[lethal lagoon]

Kinetic flayer definitely has no use on purg or void, but I can see an argument for Surge Flaming shriek since your horde clear is a yell that doesn't trigger it.
Still kind of a waste of a point.

[near wyvern]

Kinetic Flayer was previously used as a warp charge generator since even if it hit a trash mob you got a warp charge. But now since they simply removed that functionality it's pointless. It should be like 10sec CD and guaranteed on next hit.

Note, it does not trigger if you one shot the enemy. So there is at least that but still.

[radiant frigate]

also, what does puppet master help with

[near wyvern]

Coherency is chained

If you have 50% further range you can make a link

In the above picture all players have full coherency

[lethal lagoon]

Can Surge's mini-hits trigger it?

[near wyvern]

This means bonuses like Psycinetic Aura, ammo vet etc. are active for all

[near wyvern]

Haven't tested so can't answer

[radiant frigate]

seems extremely minor

[near wyvern]

It's not

[lethal lagoon]

Surge's mini hits could trigger true aim, so if we assume Surge mini hits trigger kinetic flayer, it will trigger on "one-shots" on surge, oof.

[near wyvern]

It's such a strong team utility talent which is very easy to access

[lethal lagoon]

So not even mid on any staff 😅

[near wyvern]

Being able to be more spread out while maintaining coherency bonuses is such a strong feature

[rotund fable]

You sure kinetic flayer doesn't trigger on 1-shot? I've noticed in the meatgrinder that it can triggers when i do heavy 2 with diemos vs a mutant. (Diemos heavy 2 on my sword is able to 1-shot mutants with a face-stab anyway).

[radiant frigate]

idk, after everyone got solid toughness generation i feel like coherency is mostly whatever

[lethal lagoon]

Pyschkinetic Aura gives you CD when an ally kills an elite in coherency for example

And all the other coherency bonuses

[vestal fulcrum]

Psykinetic aura only works if the Psyker that has it scores the kill - it then restores CD to other people on coherency

(Yourself included)

[zinc phoenix]

Kinetic flayer should do BB on crit

[lethal lagoon]

Man I always mix up psych aura

Thats still a good reason to be in coherency

[radiant frigate]

time for everyone else to stack up then

[zinc phoenix]

There’s always a good reason to be in coherency and that’s why I like to regularly yell ASS TO ASS a in missions

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s also many non-Psyker things that rely on coherency

[zinc phoenix]

Butt to nut is also acceptable

[vestal fulcrum]

TDR on Vet from Close Order Drill? That’s a free 33% TDR for the Vet if everyone is in each others’ circles

[zinc phoenix]

Other players: “but what if yolo?”

[vestal fulcrum]

Zealot only has 8m coherency radius by default, but they have two very good auras.

[lethal lagoon]

@near wyvern Can confirm how Pyschkinetic's Aura works, if you're still here, please and thank you 🙏

[zinc phoenix]

The bigger issue with sticking near other people is that they tend to make tactically unsound decisions during crisis moments

[spice veldt]

at least in patch 12 and before, it was only on your kills

[lethal lagoon]

So on my kills, I give everyone CDR?

[spice veldt]

mhm

[lethal lagoon]

[zinc phoenix]

For instance if you’ve got a monstrosity and a mixed horde and fire, you need to be trading space for time and running away from potential new mobs. But lots of people just stand there and then the bombs start raining in and they die

[lethal lagoon]

I mean at least I didn't feel like the plasma vet gave me CDR when he wiped out the shotgunner pack I was eyeing, but I just assumed he was out of range.

All elites kills in cohernecy would be kinda wild now that I think about it

Flaming shriek go brr

[zinc phoenix]

Vets have things they give you when they shooty the specialists/elites

Every class has a gift to provide

[lethal lagoon]

But can they provide the gift of ego

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly the coolest and least useful thing vet can do is take a perk that allows vets to transfer a portion of any toughness they gain to players in coherency + some really good toughness gain options

[lethal lagoon]

Well Ogryn's kinda can, with all their brittleness and Damage stacks with their clubs ❤️

[zinc phoenix]

Yee

[lethal lagoon]

I love the concept of that.

[radiant frigate]

i do not like ogryns

[lethal lagoon]

I think that's actual heresy as a psyker

[radiant frigate]

why

[zinc phoenix]

There’s also the vet perk that gives toughness and I think damage when you shoot something close to another person

[near wyvern]

Way too strong, Columnus, Shredder or Recons + True Aim would be ridiculous

[zinc phoenix]

melee only

Because yeah as funny as it’d be to have col IAG BBing entire planets

[lethal lagoon]

The sound effects on a dagger psyker with that would be hilarious

[spice veldt]

a shred melee with cleave be like

devil claw shred + savage sweep meta

[zinc phoenix]

Finally the promised land

[radiant frigate]

riposte shred illisi

[spice veldt]

terrifying

[strong gulch]

Start calling knife the egg cracker.

So many bursty sounds

[zinc phoenix]

I know it’s not even slightly balanced but obese fish plz just for one patch bb on crit 😂

[lethal lagoon]

I would also like one patch to accidently make BB insanely op 🙏

[strong gulch]

no cool down

[eager mantle]

Most will say "absolute trash, never use". It's true that the numbers is pennies of toughness but the alternatives is 10% dmg for 5s for the team and extra suppression

[zinc phoenix]

Hence “least useful” 😂

Most of the neat perks that do support things are just so bad

[eager mantle]

I run it. My team can send me tips for that 3 toughness I provide off that poxwalker I domed

[zinc phoenix]

Takedown so exhilarating everyone got tougher 😤

[radiant frigate]

could be solid if you press f

[spice veldt]

i always change which talent from that row I pick depending on my mood

[dapper shadow]

hmm

critd to critr, carapace to flak maybe?

[spice veldt]

at least For the Emperor gets me past the mutant oneshot with the ps6 push-attack

[lethal lagoon]

Yessss

[eager mantle]

It can also provide a bit more when the team creates breathing room. Catch a Breath is toughness replenish w/ no enemies in 8m and if you're in coherency you at least get a bit faster regen on toughness.

[zinc phoenix]

Transfer peril OUT and crit in for crit damage

[dapper shadow]

FOOL

[lethal lagoon]

[dapper shadow]

Transfer peril is needed for LMB

[lethal lagoon]

[eager mantle]

LMB staff gaming

[lethal lagoon]

Charge rate too high/10

Also low-key jealous

[dapper shadow]

not sure if I should keep carapace though since those are the tankiest

[eager mantle]

God they really didnt put enough time into staff blessings

[lethal lagoon]

LMB does nothing to carpace unfortunately

[dapper shadow]

ah.

[lethal lagoon]

Need the mk4 for poking heads unless you trust your team....

[zinc phoenix]

My man did you pick this up from bob’s discount staff and staff accessories? What are these stats 😂

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

transfer peril seems like such a pointless blessing

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

LMB-only new Meta

[dapper shadow]

LMB-only new Meta

[lethal lagoon]

Also, I vote for a new NPC with a completely basic name like Bob. Too much Melk and Hadron.

[dapper shadow]

does unarmoured enable you to one shot ads

or would flak be better

[lethal lagoon]

headshots should 1 shot ads

[dapper shadow]

I'll probably use flak then

[lethal lagoon]

Flak for when you hit body on gunners because they are cowering from your extreme supression

[zinc phoenix]

Breakpoint truthers and astrology have a lot in common

[dapper shadow]

I have three trauma staff builds now

its great

[lethal lagoon]

[zinc phoenix]

Why 😭

[dapper shadow]

imagine using voidstrike like some meta slave

[lethal lagoon]

People's face when they inspect your staff in the lobby

[zinc phoenix]

This left click build causes me psychic damage and I’m not even an enemy

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

We need a LMB only squad.

I'll take terrible barrage.

[radiant frigate]

full auto tiny pew pew timeline

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think terrible barrage can even physically proc with 4 psykers spamming LMB

[strong gulch]

Who's gonna animation cancel LMB purg??

[lethal lagoon]

Nose goes 👃 👈

[strong gulch]

not it

[near wyvern]

Used to be that psyker kills an elite or special and everything within their coherency gets seconds off their CD

I haven't been able to test it again since the big rework (need someone to help) so have not confirmed it again. That's why it's as research needed in the Atheneum.

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[near wyvern]

On Patch 13 devil's claw 4 with shred + sweep was the meta horde clear over Illisi, even on mixed hordes. Unfortunately that only lasted for a single patch.

[lethal lagoon]

Hadron is going to brick the fuck out of that perfect staff

https://tenor.com/view/robot-dancing-dance-dancing-robot-t600-robot-gif-22132535

[near wyvern]

Salvageable!

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/bedge-pepe-sleep-gif-24023312

[rare arrow]

Right? Reroll crit damage and terrifying barrage

[lethal lagoon]

Hadron after doing her job

[near wyvern]

Too bad the special damage perk has to stay

[rare arrow]

And it’s good

[near wyvern]

I mean it ain't perfect but it's very near to perfection

[strong gulch]

Congrats on nice new staff.

nexus

[near wyvern]

Barrage into nexus and crit damage into flak or crit chance yeah

[lethal lagoon]

5% crit chance honestly doesn't matter that much with warp nexus

It's just that there's nothing else to put on the staff after flak

So honestly gonna be really hard to replace that staff

[near wyvern]

Even with 30% crit chance an extra 5% is a 17% increase in the amount of crits you gonna do. Given how soulblaze has exponential scaling for the first ten stacks I wouldn't say it's not that useful. Especially when you take in to account the ramp up for nexus.

[vestal fulcrum]

I would replace it with any other staff that has lower Warp res and a chance to have two 25% damage perks or one 25 and Crit chance

[near wyvern]

But in the end it's a flex perk so you can go and test how you like

[lethal lagoon]

But stacks have a max so meh.

That's a ton of overkill gonna be going down

That said you are probably more right than me 😅

[static needle]

Buy? 🥲

[near wyvern]

You shouldn't be hitting that max against other than monstrosities TBH

[strong gulch]

no

[static needle]

sadge

i know burn has to be over 76% for some reason

[near wyvern]

Both work +flak and +crit. +armour modifiers stack multiplicatively with everything so there is that as well.

If you have trouble dealing with maulers go flak, otherwise I would go with crit chance

[static needle]

Which weapon is better for psyker: duelling sword 5 or knife? Both are good due to their mobility but i cant decide which one to use

[strong gulch]

76+ gets you to 15 SB stacks on purg

[frigid relic]

Director spawned a sneaky rager behind me lol

Very cool

[strong gulch]

Both have their merits. I haven't used the DS5 in a long time. IDK if you have played with either. If my hands are up for it, I'd choose knife for movement speed and being able to do bleeds and run away.

Also so many crits

and things that proc off crits

[near wyvern]

If you gonna go with DS it's the Mk 4 that is good.

Knife 6 is most mobility, very good defence. Can deal with any situation but a bit slowly, however you can easily pick out elites / specials near you with the push attack spam (use kinetic deflection!!!)

DS4 is only slightly less mobility but with tremendously increased offense as it deals the most single target DPS out of all Psyker melee weapons.

And note, that slightly less mobility is still very good mobility.

It ultimately comes down to do you need the DPS of DS4 or not.

[dapper shadow]

I may have blown myself up twice

but LMB is honestly not bad, its like using an autogun on veteran

[lethal lagoon]

Only twice

[dapper shadow]

but with infinite ammo

[lethal lagoon]

Scrier's gaze is weirdly hard to use with LMB

[dapper shadow]

yeah

you have to stop at 90%

or you just die

but you need ammo

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, if you go assail + gun, you can sustain ammo off the vet's survialist aura as long as you don't just mag dump everything in sight, even with a columnus

[sweet whale]

I play a recon burn build, and think it rocks. So much fun.

But it does eat ammunition.

[hearty dagger]

It's not called blowing yourself up, it's called the 4th blitz, actual psyker grenade.

[dapper shadow]

the only time I use the secondary was to make bulwark's fall over to LMB them

This is definitely viable, though I think scrier's gaze might not be the best option since you have downtimes nearing 100%

also I still do decent damage to carapace armor

[hot zephyr]

So just figured out my item level 75 stam curio is bugged. I have a +3 stam ilvl 75 and +3 stam ilvl 76 curio, but the first gives me two stam and the second gives me three with the same weapons and loadout

[plucky flax]

Mfw I'm carried hard by my team

[hot zephyr]

roflcopter

[dapper shadow]

Man there's a plasma gun user

[static needle]

?

plasma is great wym

[idle bay]

They are more arrogant than ancient 'Murica that existed before Dark Age of technology 🙂

[dapper shadow]

I mean why do I have so much damage

compared to the plasma gun user

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/453265964239290390.webp?size=48&name=KiaraSmugnun&quality=lossless

[static needle]

cause he bad

[dapper shadow]

who knew you could hard carry with just LMB

This is real meta

[idle bay]

Not every Plasma gun user are good

[dapper shadow]

the auto psyker

[idle bay]

If it was Columnus with proper perks and blessings - and you was using it a lot - it's natural to have a lot of damgage dlt. That gun is insanely overtuned 🙂

[upper sun]

can i salvage this bros..?

i just needed one good blessing 😭

[hot zephyr]

You can get it usable for sure, but infested, run/gun and terrifying are all garbo

I'd fix up the blessings to make it usable if you have nothing better

[upper sun]

yeah i got flak first so i kept upgrading it hoping to get at least carap 3 or nexus/flurry

[idle bay]

It is " Will do" grade stuff. Swap blessings and it "will do" for now.

[upper sun]

i dont have nexus 4 yet

[idle bay]

Nexus 3 is fine for now then

[upper sun]

not even that

[static needle]

bruh he already has flak on it. This thing is more than "will do"

[idle bay]

You will get one eventually 🙂

[idle bay]

Flak on it is the reason why it will do - it have 1 out 4 good things already on.

[upper sun]

they need to bring melk and hadron into the meat grinder fr

[upper sun]

yeah i only got it to orange in the hope that i would get another 😦

[idle bay]

They don't have combat models probably that is why even creature spawner mod can spawn them there as dummies for beating

Imaging slapping Hadron with perfectly distributed 380 melee weapon that have 2 T2 perks and one t2 blessing and one t3 blessing (both bad) she just bricked 🙂

[upper sun]

tech priests are all heretics and must be delt with as well

[static needle]

Which one of these should I be using? If im using the first one ill be changing it to flesh tearer as well

[idle bay]

If you ask about knifes in zealot chat you will end-up witnessing a holy war between different sects of knife-users.... In Psykers chat - here are few enthusiasts who can also help you (not currently online it seems).

[stuck sinew]

Flesh tearer bad

[static needle]

Not at all lmfao

Im using these knives for scriers gaze gunpsyker

so Flesh tearer good

[hot zephyr]

I personally like unyielding on my knife for sail/gaze/ep because it's your source of boss damage

[static needle]

its just that... isnt the guns for gunpsyker your main source of dmg?

[hot zephyr]

Well, I'm not exactly playing gunpsyker in that sense, I'm more playing a psylot build where assail/ep is the main damage source and the columnus is a source of burst damage

Here's my knife for contrast (laugh at my flesh tearer 2)

My mix is:
Knife for boss damage and other ogryn chassis targets
Columnus for regular sized elites/specials
Assail as main damage output with free RMBs then topping off peril (>85%) with LMBs

If you're playing HISTG Damn or something, the gun will definitely be used a lot tho since there will be so many special packs

[potent echo]

with SG?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, Sail Gaze EP build with Crit

[untold niche]

damn i would have rolled for another

[paper loom]

what do we think about this?

[upper sun]

guns seem a lot like heresy to me tbh

[paper loom]

i got so bored of staffs tho

[raw rivet]

I personally like having higher ammo, but it doesn’t look bad

[rancid flame]

I have found my people

[odd charm]

made my MK 2 rapier deal 2.2k damage on weakspot heavy attacks, basically instakilling maniacs, Voidstaff be dealing almost 3k against flack. feels good.

[untold niche]

@near wyvern oh ya pygex, i tried using toughness regen
i think it takes about 3-6 seconds to fill to full, so i defo feel it, but when i dont have full coherency i feel like i rather have flat toughness

[cosmic sigil]

Change range DMG to pox and maybe speedload

Maybe flak and ff or ds

[static needle]

Does uncanny strike also up your damage against hordes?

[cosmic sigil]

Your dots will be powered by uncanny yes

[mental rock]

If your weapons already do full damage to an armor type, any additional rending will give you a quarter of the rending value as extra damage instead

[static needle]

yes but does it do any more damage against unarmored?

[spice veldt]

rending doesn't affect Unarmoured and Infested

[mental rock]

^

[paper loom]

why pox out of interest mate?

[sweet whale]

I put toughness regen and gunner Res on everything I own.

Just makes life much more livable.

[untold niche]

i like the ability cdr

[ornate hamlet]

Fucking Bursters everytime

[stone canyon]

Is Warp Resistance that low bad thing?

[near wyvern]

Make sure you are running puppet master, which you should be running on all your build regardless of the build

[idle bay]

Nope 🙂

It's dump stat for swords for sure

[untold niche]

what the hell is that

[stone canyon]

Cool, getting it

Been wanting to try Blaze Swords out, waiting for good store drops

[marble crater]

Coherency radius increase

[untold niche]

oh the aura size, yeah i believe i have it. its the pre-req for the quell speed node right

[marble crater]

Yes

[untold niche]

ye i have it, the quell speed is a must for me

[near wyvern]

TBH all of the three here should be taken no matter the build. They just make everything better.

[deep pine]

Is void strike staff considered top tier weapon currently?

[hot zephyr]

I think there might be one reasonable exception to this, which is if you are running a bubble shield build, you may not need puppet master, since you will be likely be staying closer to the group as a result of using the bubble shield.

And even then, puppet master is still good

[red egret]

I prefer surge staff, It feels really good cause it stuns everything you hit (unless they have the green glow)

[idle plover]

Surge and purgatus are pretty nice

Voidstrike hasnt impressed me yet

[steep estuary]

What are the desirable stats for trauma?

[near wyvern]

Nah cause if you are running bubble you are probably running a staff as well so you want faster quell speed which you can't get without puppet master

Current meta weapons

[rare arrow]

I skip ride the warp in the middle a lot

Or whatever it’s called

[rare arrow]

I think that’s it’s name? It’s the damage boost

I don’t have the points in a lot of my non EP builds

Or the extra damage doesn’t shift any of my breakpoints

I don’t believe I take it on my smite/venting build. The damage needed to clear what venting needs to clear is done without ride the warp

[near wyvern]

6 stack doesn't guarantee kill all trash without boosts

With warp rider if you stay above 40-50% peril it guarantees all trash

[rare arrow]

What trash isn’t killed at 6 stacks with normal talent picks

[near wyvern]

I think it was infested or then some of the bruisers

[rare arrow]

Infested die to 6

[near wyvern]

Then it was some of the bruisers

[rare arrow]

And everything dies after wildfire spreads

[near wyvern]

Cause they got a health boost

[rare arrow]

I’ll run it again when I’m home, but there isn’t anything that didn’t die last check, especially after spreads.

[near wyvern]

Yeah bruisers won't die

You gotta have warp rider or then swap to a weapon with +unarmoured and +flak

And they are not affected by wildfire since it cannot affect 5 or more stacks

If you already touched them with 6 it ain't gonna catch again (until they drop stacks to 4 or below)

If you smite + creeping flames you should definitely run warp rider cause it's very common to be above 50% of peril

[static needle]

i feel like voidstrike just isnt cutting it without surge blessing....

[haughty star]

I like the surge staff so far

Haven't used any others but it's got a weird neat mix in killing ability

Shotgunners, ragers are like 1 or 2

[silk vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-fire-gif-13411041

Purgatus is usually my go to.

Out flame the zealot flamer.

[haughty star]

I played a match last night where I was doing surge/smite and other dude was doing pugatis and assail lmao

Shit was straight slaughter lmao

Smite helps sooo much with auric gameplay lol.

My veteran and psykwr are now basically built to ensure my teammates stay alive to help whether they like it or not

[hot zephyr]

I had a run with a veteran and 3 psykers this morning, all different builds. Surge, Voidstrike, and me playing GunPsyker. I tanked the chaos spawn and the plague ogryn we got. It was a good time, gunners didn't stand a chance.

After I noticed my bugged 3 stam curio this morning and replaced it, I suddenly felt a lot tankier

[haughty star]

I kinda like lmb spam on surge lol

[near wyvern]

Here is flurry nexus with void if you wanna see how it goes

https://youtu.be/wvBG9GLK7Ys

[radiant frigate]

wait what

is that another classic fatshark omission

where does it say that

[near wyvern]

If you run kinetic deflection one stamina bar becomes four in terms of peril

[near wyvern]

The holy grail for information on psykers: The Psyker Atheneum

Be prepared tho. Get some soda, reading glasses and a comfy chair.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[vestal fulcrum]

Nowhere. The description just couldn’t possibly express how explicit this skill is in its actual effect

[hot zephyr]

yeah, i always run KD, and I was running some extra block eff until I fixed my curios this morning, now I'm stacking gunner resist apparently (15/15/20)

[near wyvern]

There are a lot of things Fatshark doesn't tell you or they tell you something completely different than how things actually work

[near wyvern]

Stamina > block eff with kinetic deflection. Both work but stamina has a lot stronger effect.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I really noticed it once I replaced my bugged curio

Like, i tanked those monstrosities no sweat

[haughty star]

Wait what

Can you explain this

[hot zephyr]

The text of the ability:
"Gained peril is 25% of the blocked attack's stamina cost"

[haughty star]

And you run this why? To block?

[silk vigil]

Honestly only use assail with gunker. I think Purgatus meshes well with the Jimmy Neutron brainblast.

[haughty star]

Brain blast is just a good all rounder for when you don't know what to run imo

[hot zephyr]

It's the core reason KD is amazing. Not only to do block with peril, preserving your stam for pushes and sprints, you also get effectively 5x the amount of blocking power because you effectively have 5x your stamina bar worth of blocks.

[haughty star]

Shit is really strong for dropping elite and does decent bossing

[static needle]

lmao i think you mean assail

[haughty star]

I need to learn to block more. Mostly I just dodge spam and out dps my way out of scenarios

[static needle]

BB is slow

[haughty star]

It's slow but consistent

[spice veldt]

mostly for revives, chaos spawns, and the undodgeable attacks

[static needle]

maybe not for boss damage or ogryn but for all other things it is

[spice veldt]

and it's fairly cheap to get kinetic deflection

[hot zephyr]

It's a pretty essential skill. If you aren't blocking you are probably losing a lot of chip health damage to bleed through on melee hits

[static needle]

not any more consistent that surge staff, revolver, duelling sword, etc

[near wyvern]

Brain Burst is not good DPS on bosses stop pretending it is.

It's safe yes but not good

You should only BB the boss if the situation is too risky to melee it

[silk vigil]

Yeah I never use it on bosses but it’s good otherwise.

[hot zephyr]

I mean, if you build completely around BR with KR, Shriek, and EP it can be pretty fast and good. But it's still underwhelming compared to other things available.

[silk vigil]

Assail is just boring imo. Kinda essential for gunker if you want to manage ammo effectively.

[near wyvern]

The correct way to do it is with pirgatus staff. Staff to max stacks and get to 85% peril, ult and then do BR with kinetic reflection.

But even then if you can reach you should melee and preferably with something that has uncanny strikes

And +unyielding

Cause that is gonna roast

[hot zephyr]

I dunno, the vibes you get running combat knife and assail are pretty "knife juggling maniac", and that's a great feeling for a warhammer game lol

[near wyvern]

You can also do smite as Gunker

[silk vigil]

To each their own. If I wanted to run knife I’d just play a silly knife zealot.

[haughty star]

I ain't getting nowhere near that boss as a psyker lmfao that's someone else that has an actual hp pool's job

[silk vigil]

I usually just run dueling sword, assail, and columnus.

[dawn spoke]

the thing with knife psyker is that it has so many other options it can generally avoid having to actually use the knife

[near wyvern]

I tank bosses all the time

[silk vigil]

Smite with gunker can be fun. Kinda have to hope your teammates aren’t glue eaters tho.

[dawn spoke]

the boss won't ever hit your HP pool if you can block and kite it effectively

[hot zephyr]

Yeah Uncanny / Unyielding is pretty delicious. I was showing a gunlugger Ogryn how it's done fighting crusher packs in melee with a mark 6

[near wyvern]

Last time accidently woke up a DH, no biggies, tanked it till it was dead

[haughty star]

Jesus christ you people get elitist lol

You forget this game has a skill gap

[radiant frigate]

I started reading

unpleasantly surprised

[near wyvern]

Sibling, we are showing you glimpses of your true potential. Don't get mad for us encouraging you to be enlightened.

[static needle]

Which one of these 2 voidstrike should I use?

[radiant frigate]

but hey apparently my entire gameplan of applying and spreading soulblaze on kill is actually stupid

[haughty star]

No just be understanding that not everyone has 500 frigging hours into this game lol yall are frustrating with that stuff sometimes

[radiant frigate]

even though i could have sworn it solokills the Dogtide™️ via chain reaction

[unkempt parcel]

Dont need to have 500hrs to be good. Just be good

[haughty star]

Mmhmmm let's see that hour count than

[radiant frigate]

i am sitting at around 400 hours

[hot zephyr]

I mean... that's essentially just 4% crit vs 25% to flak. I think the flak is probably better, but the blast radius on the crit one looks JUICY

[spice veldt]

you really do not need 500 hours to dodge a plague ogryn

[static needle]

blast rate is a dump stat tho...

and assail already clears hordes well

so dunno what i need the radius for...

[near wyvern]

It's ok to not be there yet. But just know, Psykers are one of the tankiest in the game. All you need is one +3 stamina curio and kinetic deflection talent. Only a shield ogryn can beat that.

[radiant frigate]

i will consider it

[unkempt parcel]

Dont need to dodge when you can block all the attacks anyways

[static needle]

not even a stam curio, get good at quelling while dodging and it aint necessary

[hot zephyr]

I'm still in diapers around here, I'm only 187 hours played, and more than 110 of them was over a year ago before I took a break.

[near wyvern]

Noooo you gotta dodge so you can DPS at the same time. We are not the same.

[unkempt parcel]

Get good at quelling while dodging weaving in blocks and you can tank DH no probs

[near wyvern]

I am a team player and will dive Res people, can't do it in the middle of ragers without the extra stam

[radiant frigate]

interesting to see there was hidden potential i didn't know of

[static needle]

ye u can, just quell to 0%, and yell at your teammates so they dont die

[radiant frigate]

though I'm afraid i might become too powerful with new revelations

[hot zephyr]

We'll res you if you perils pop sibling.

[radiant frigate]

i hope to be beyond that stage by now

[near wyvern]

If you never explode you never explore your limits

[static needle]

Commisar grindset

[radiant frigate]

scrier's gaze experimentation has proven... perilous

[untold niche]

i feel it should have more damage against flak? the gunners head.
beacause it shouldnt take me full DD Stacks and full charge just to 1 tap him headshot* at 79% damage stat

@near wyvern what do you think

[hot zephyr]

Dunno what you mean sibling. 100% gazing means madman with a knife time. 100% is just full power for knife/gun mode.

[radiant frigate]

i was using it with voidstrike

surge + nexus + gaze

[hot zephyr]

Oh, yeah that's a little risque

[radiant frigate]

became a warp cannon

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, Gaze is quite risky to use with any peril-powered weapon. It's really kind of meant to push you to use regular weapons with it.

[radiant frigate]

which is why i unsubscribed from that flavor of play

[hot zephyr]

hence why the one talent gives extra finesse damage for you to go knife or DS4 mode with it

[radiant frigate]

see i could do that, or i could just play illisi

[dawn spoke]

voidstrike is crazy good, I feel like every time I see a voidstrike psyker they top the scoreboard

[radiant frigate]

every time i see purgatus i am disappointed

[silk vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[radiant frigate]

honestly 98% of the time i see another psyker, i am disappointed

[silk vigil]

No regrets

[dawn spoke]

purge is fun but feels really ineffective outside of hi-intensity

[near wyvern]

I think void is in a very good spot right now. If something, surge staff would need some love for break points.

[radiant frigate]

surge kind of tickles

a far cry from the bug abuse era

[haughty star]

Surge ain't awful imo

[radiant frigate]

it's not awful

[haughty star]

I use it on auric damnation and it's not super strong but it still gets it

[radiant frigate]

i would still take it over purgatus

[haughty star]

Yeee not a fan of flame thrower mechanics. Like where do the heavy dps come from

[radiant frigate]

purgatus doea not deal with threats outside of the reach of magic sword

[dawn spoke]

purge will stunlock shooters and ragers from far outside the reach of magic sword

[spice veldt]

hmm now that's underselling the purg a bit

[haughty star]

Just kinda odd to me cuz smite can be feasibly stronk if built for it so you can run AOE and have a beefier staff

[radiant frigate]

i was given a melee weapon for a reason, I'm damn well going to use it

[hot zephyr]

I am hoping I can bless up a good shockwave trauma soon. I got this from melk the other day. Just need to fix it up and it'll be a nice shockwave truama

[near wyvern]

Surge ain't awful but it doesn't make any sense that you can't make it one shot gunners without a crit. Also crushers should take a hit or two less to kill.

I don't mind if if looses the secondary target just let it melt single targets FFS.

[radiant frigate]

a slide away from sword range, close enough for me

[dawn spoke]

I'm not sure you're appreciating how long the purg staff range is

[hot zephyr]

@near wyvern Do you have a talent build you recommend for Shockwave Trauma? I know you have the fire-trauma build in the atheneum but there's no shockwave build example in there.

[spice veldt]

and cleaving quite a bit more than any melee will

[haughty star]

Tbf with flurry it charges REAL fast

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i should instead say it doesn't do things for me that either shriek or sword can't do

[near wyvern]

It can work with any build, pick your favourite and use that

Maybe not smite

But assail/BB both work

[hot zephyr]

Ok, sweet. BR EP it is.

[near wyvern]

That works for sure

[haughty star]

The crusher thing is kind of a nuisance but they usually come in packs so I just smite them and make my team deal with it

[near wyvern]

Yes it does but still. You are only hitting a single target. Let me kill it. Like all but Ogryns, Maulers and Mutants should be killed in a fully charged hit if you have a full battery and perfect timing stacked up.

[haughty star]

It probably could be built to one tap them maybe

[near wyvern]

That's the thing it cannot without a crit

We tested it here

It's missing just a tiny bit of damage

[haughty star]

Oof

[hot zephyr]

I was thinking going for something like this. I found myself unsure if i need KR since I'm going BR EP, and mostly taking left side talents with shriek to dump peril. Probably going to run Trauma + Illisi + BR for something different and fun

I purposely didn't take mettle/PT cus I just wasn't seeing very many crits in testing to stack up PT

[haughty star]

Tbh I hardly notice lol thing charges so fast with even grade 3 warp flurry that I just spam in the direction of bullets and things with guns die lol

[near wyvern]

Take Deimos with Trauma not Illisi. I'd take the CDR aura instead of elite damage and I would put the middle piece from keystone into kinetic resonance for those gunner packs.

[hot zephyr]

I don't have a good deimos yet, but I'll keep an eye out for one then. Yeah I'm not sold on Leech either, and I found I didn't need CD aura as much because Psykinetic Aura and Becalming Eruption were plenty of CD for shriek to cycle quickly.

[haughty star]

I tried deimos and didn't like the swing patterns

Not one good combo in that sword that "feels" good for me

[swift scaffold]

Hey ya'll. Zealot main trying to pick up Pysker and want to know what's in the meta right now

[haughty star]

Recon lasgun with devil's claw

[hot zephyr]

Honestly we have like 5+ different builds that are all meta right now. What kind of weapons do you like?

[west bronze]

duelling sword 4 (iv)

[swift scaffold]

I'm coming from Vermintide where I enjoyed Sienna with the dagger and pyer strike

High over heat melee focused

Or flaming head w/e it was called

[west bronze]

illisi force sword

[near wyvern]

WhAt! Light 1 Heavy 2 is the king

[swift scaffold]

I see gun psyker is big right now. Do you run that was assail or bb

[haughty star]

Is that a sweep lead-in?

[hot zephyr]

Probably want to check out force swords or dueling swords for melee then, and you might want to look into getting a Zarona Revolver or Columnus Autogun to pair up with it.

[west bronze]

yeah

[haughty star]

Zarona

My beloved

[near wyvern]

First light is poke then you have diagonal lights after that but the heavy poke is where the damage is, which is always the 2nd heavy

[swift scaffold]

I do love the revolved right now on zealot

r

[west bronze]

I run dsword 4 and zarona on my gunker build

[hot zephyr]

ZOROna gives you extra points for carving Z into chests of your enemies sibling

[swift scaffold]

Zorona is the dueling sword?

Or the revolver

[hot zephyr]

No, Zarona is the revolver

[near wyvern]

Revolver

[steep estuary]

Hehehe

[haughty star]

I rock it on my vet and I quite frequently outdps my buddy who runs a plasma vet lmao

[swift scaffold]

Hell yeah that sounds like a good playstyle for me. I'm going to give those two a go

thanks for the input

[west bronze]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0907c8-c1c5-4f44-966f-7cb2e571b1ea/zarona-revolver-gunker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hot zephyr]

You are most welcome sibling

[near wyvern]

@swift scaffold

Pick an example build from here and modify it to your likings. Just be adviced not all the things work as you think hence all the text above the build examples.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[haughty star]

I might try it I still gotta perfect my illyses

[near wyvern]

You should change that toughness on peril gain into toughness on quelling, twice as effective

[haughty star]

This is what I'm on rn.

[west bronze]

alright, thx for the advice

[haughty star]

Not great but the blessings go hard

[rare arrow]

I prefer toughness on gain. It’s less but I find it more important about when e gain happens

[untold sail]

whit the penances curently for psyker in game im sure that no dew is playing the game at all. brainburst and they added an cd on the one that actuly has to low prock rate to be good of 15sec. i think its better to play vet or zerlot only or ogryn even cose the psyker its just ther hate thing

[near wyvern]

And since you use duelling Sword and revolver, drop perfect timing and take puppet master instead. You have no peril damage abilities, smite is CC not damage.

[haughty star]

Wut

[rare arrow]

Psyker has felt like the strongest class for me for a very long time.

[haughty star]

Tbh they all feel pretty balanced imo

[rare arrow]

This was my response

[untold sail]

do your guys play whit brainburst

[haughty star]

My vet is probably my strongest build

[rare arrow]

I have a brain burst build

[haughty star]

I have a build for certain missions

[rare arrow]

Then 2 smite and 2 assail builds

[west bronze]

I have it on my purgatus build

[untold sail]

keeping max warpcharge and geting all those kills

[rare arrow]

Keeping max warp charge is easy

[hot zephyr]

I run BR and Assail, but never Smite. Smite doesn't jive with my playstyle

[vocal cliff]

Majority ranged units on this current mal, think going void strike will be better than trauma this time

[haughty star]

I do EP personally

[swift scaffold]

@west bronze Hey quick question. How does you balance between smite and scriers gaze on that build you linked me. Would you use smite just for mixed hordes?

[rare arrow]

Same

[near wyvern]

@west bronze anticipation is not working for the dodge duration increase, it only adds an extra dodge, take empathic evasion instead. Drop Purloin Providence it's on average 3% toughness gained on killing a marked target.

Put point in Perilous Combustion since you should have Quietitude now instead of Warp Expenditure

[rare arrow]

Save stacks of EP until you need to BB

[haughty star]

Seems like a no brainer if you focusing on the bb

[rare arrow]

Then it’s faster and hits harder

You don’t just spam BB

That’s some malice shit lol

[haughty star]

Then you get EP and VS together and you got yourself a party

[west bronze]

I use smite for clutches and gaze for bosses/elite groups

[rare arrow]

I typically use fire trauma with BB

Or purg

[swift scaffold]

Sounds good thanks.

[haughty star]

Tbh bb could be used with just about anything but it's a good gunger blitz for me anyway

[rare arrow]

BB deals with ranged and priority targets so I don’t need my staff to deal with that. I use the staff slot to deal with horde and close proximity

[haughty star]

I just like it for popping all the disablers lol

[rare arrow]

EP and BB is also fun because you BB an elite gunner one shotting it and then just chain BB that whole pack at half the cast time

[haughty star]

I had a auric the other night with bb that I had like 55 disabler kills on

[rare arrow]

I posted 2 30 minute long 1 M damage BB/fire trauma games yesterday

[hot zephyr]

Since you're looking at builds @near wyvern, this is my take on your Sail Gaze EP suggestion.

I found Soulstealer could be swapped for quietude which changes the timing of the toughness regen to when you are on the defensive which is really nice for situations where the melee frontline gets overwhelmed, and by taking Endurance on SG I found I could swap over to Prescience and save a point wasted on mind in motion, and pickup two extra +15 toughness nodes for extra durability on what's normally a glass-cannon build. Thoughts?

[proper osprey]

It’s amazing how people don’t know this lol

[untold niche]

but but even ogryn gets an unconditional 1 tap against gunners

[rare arrow]

I assume people think they are timed

Or expire

[proper osprey]

Assai?

[untold niche]

Not sure about rumbler, but pretty sure kick back and GG can 1 tap

[untold sail]

well i gess as i have none in the power up penances at this point and i only have 700h or so in game most of it on the psyker im better of playing the easy classes

[proper osprey]

I can see that but I see most people bb a regular poxwalker

[spice veldt]

200iq judge a class's power level by their penances

[haughty star]

Is gg worth checking out? Gameplay looks dope

[near wyvern]

I would drop the regular stat nodes upper left and bottom right and take puppet master, other than that looks good

[near wyvern]

but but Psykers are tankier than an ogryn without a shield, you get some you loose some

[rare arrow]

Yea I didn’t play psyker much until 13, then started playing it a lot more. The class felt significantly stronger than both zealot and vet. I managed all of the penances ones a couple nights and the only time consuming one was the BB more elites. Just spam it on a shotgunned or ranged pack

[haughty star]

Tbh at this point I just run psyker for much needed crowd controll cuz everyone wants to run stealth vets and knife zealots and shit lol

[near wyvern]

Void is a mass destruction tool

[rare arrow]

What difficulty do you play?

[untold niche]

PSYKER TANKEIR THAN OGRYN?

NO\

[near wyvern]

Yes

[untold niche]

BRO I PLAY OGRYN I DONT EVEN NEED TO DODGE MELEE HITS >:V

[untold sail]

well pugs most of the time at 4 i think

[rare arrow]

Heresy?

[ornate hamlet]

Holy shit DS V Is fun

[spice veldt]

i'm on the vet grindset now that I realized that vet's ammo economy is stupidly good and that he has a pocket trauma staff anyways

[untold sail]

as i cant do games whit all the under lvled that needs help on higher dif

[near wyvern]

But can you ress in the middle of a rager pack without taking any damage

Using no consumables

[untold niche]

wait how?
anyway ogryn can too :p or at least in my experience

[rare arrow]

We are way tankier with the stamina to peril talent

[untold sail]

the zerlot or vet i can carry more whit

[spice veldt]

there's always bullrush

[near wyvern]

One stamina curio + kinetic deflection is all you need for a Psyker to be a res bot

[spice veldt]

if your metric is only for revives and blocking, then yeah psyker is better

[ornate hamlet]

Personally Bullrush is the only Ogryn ability worth using

[spice veldt]

but beyond that, ogryn has way more DR

[rare arrow]

In heresy you probably don’t see enough elites to quickly complete the psyker penances. At higher difficulties it is much easier

[near wyvern]

Ogryn can take more into face yes, but psyker can avoid taking into face

[untold niche]

uh, i played ogtyn before the buff to director, which means lesser elite/specials
so my take is not updated.
But to me, it feels good. though you do need to god roll it if you want to 1 tap muties

[untold sail]

well the lobbys are full of lvl 17-25s and i cant get trow 5 whit those in party

[vocal cliff]

We had a bleed knife zel in the auric mal

[spice veldt]

ogryn can also just avoid taking stuff to the face by killing everything with kickback

[vocal cliff]

Failed to push a poxburster

Leading me and the vet to go down

[near wyvern]

Until they run out of ammunition

[rare arrow]

Level has little to do with success rate.

[spice veldt]

it's not like you have to melee and go particularly hard with it

[untold niche]

KD is only when youa re actively blocking no and you cant block like fire and poxybees

[vocal cliff]

Not even a stealthy one, one that was in his face he could easily push

[spice veldt]

ammunition is a meme and a non-issue if you're doing any form of looting

[near wyvern]

@spice veldt if we are comparing cheese do I really need to link the soulblaze smite again

[spice veldt]

even without a vet, it is simply not an issue in pubs where the overwhelming majority of players do not loot

[near wyvern]

Shield says hello

And also

[prime elk]

What’s that?

[near wyvern]

Smite says hello

[spice veldt]

i don't dispute that smite is trong

[prime elk]

Soul blaze smite?

[spice veldt]

i haven't said that it wasn't

[untold niche]

counter poijnt, thats only with skilled play

[spice veldt]

but you are vastly underestimating how silly this game's ammo economy has become

[near wyvern]

Sigh. I am sorry siblings but this one is asking for it one more time

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

Very skilled and engaging gameplay

[prime elk]

lol thanks curiosity got the better of me

[untold niche]

thats skill in theorycrafting

i mean, in a voidstrike build im defo not doing that (as in i can't do that)

whereas as the tanky ogryn that doesnt even need to block, i still can 1 tap gunners

i do think voidstrike have too much damage against ragers tho

like i know ragers got nerfed

could just be my +20% perk

[near wyvern]

Voidstrike is fine

[hot zephyr]

I'll never get tired of this. Should nickname it the Topsy build.

[near wyvern]

It truly makes auric maelstroms feel like a joke

[untold niche]

i am only average skilled so it does not apply to me ;p

am carrying my own weight maelstroms but only because of histg

[haughty star]

Play in auric

A little tougher. Much higher quality players there

[untold niche]

oh yeah @haughty star

i think the best thing about GG is the skill expression

f you are looking for something rewarding

go for it imo

the only actual downside is prob the limited range

which if your team isn't bad, wouldnt be an issue

its only an issue if you are the only guy clearing snipers

there is one map

after exiting a tunnel

[haughty star]

Tbh having just gone through it I would recommend getting a good staff and starting with a Venting Shriek, Smite, and Warp siphon and just play supportive with smite and do dps when needed when new to psyker then branch out from there

@untold sail

[untold niche]

looks something like this
in this case the GG can't reach the other side

[haughty star]

I know exactly the spot

[agile geode]

If you could make one blessing specifically for psyker, what would it be?
I would like showstopper on purgatus, to make elites explode on kill (with it equipped it would also trigger if soulblaze kills the target, still %, not guaranteed)

[untold niche]

if you want to void staff, don't do support psyker
get used to edging your peril at 80% and the general feel of the staff

[midnight jolt]

I'm trying to add mods with Vortex, for the mod loader, do you have to install manually or can it actually be added via Vortex?

[haughty star]

I was just saying as a good point to start feeling good on psyker

[midnight jolt]

or, is there a better way to mod for Gamepass?

[haughty star]

That's when mine started feeling meaningful

[untold niche]

imo the "best" way to play psyker in highsight is to power level to level 30 with assail build, get all the blessings and stuff you need then actually start playing

Imo void psyker is super weapon dependent

i played wit hvoid staff as soon as i got it and it was torture

[haughty star]

I did gun and bb and it wasn't bad

It's super hard to get used to how glassy psykwr is

[untold niche]

no 30% quell speed node, comparitively trash damage

[haughty star]

One or two fuckups and yoi get smoked

[tawny pebble]

oh absolutely

melee psyker is a little scary for me, getting into it lol

[haughty star]

I started in melee psyk

[untold niche]

doesn't really feel that way after some time
maybe just at the start when you don't have your build yet

[hot zephyr]

Once you have Kinetic Deflection Melee Psyker is actually super safe

[haughty star]

I have a good build but literally one or two missed blocks or dodges and it's costing you health bar lol

[tawny pebble]

oh, agreed

[haughty star]

I just need to block/shove more

[tawny pebble]

really it's just missing the dodge or getting body blocked by an errant pox

then a mauler caves my skull in

[hot zephyr]

block-> push-> dodge backwards will make instant space to swap back to ranged attacks

[haughty star]

Or get trapped by a trapper that doesn't make noise and get a bomb thrown on you from a bomber that ran like juissan bolt to get to you

[untold niche]

i just quick swap and start firing

[tawny pebble]

it hurts

you're describing it excactly

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dangerously-gif-20939086

[untold niche]

i will quickswap to void to shoot a zombie point blank

[untold niche]

i feel sometimes you just need to take the hit
esp if theres a high prior guy in the background

[haughty star]

The one thing I like most about surge staff is no matter what state they in it will GTFO a pox walker

[untold niche]

if its just pure zombies in an defense area then yeah i wouldn't swap

[hot zephyr]

I just dodge backwards and swap to assail and chuck a few LMBs to cleanup the trash

[untold niche]

if it doesn't kill, void knocksback poxb as well

smite on release too

if you didn't know

[haughty star]

Lmb smite shoves them?

[untold niche]

no right click'

i don't know about lmb.

[haughty star]

Oh no release right click got it

I did learn about the no extra damage perk on rmb

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, that'll be something for me to learn with Trauma, how not to throw a poxburster directly onto my team

[haughty star]

So fucking dumb

[untold niche]

what is that?

never heard of that

[haughty star]

The additional damage perk for smite

Doesn't apply to rmb

[near wyvern]

Yes because Assail is not scaling with difficulty so it's a super carry for lower tiers. Also staves get penalties for low stats so there is no point in using staves other than maybe purgatus from lvl 20 onwards. Other than that it's just Assail and gun through to 30.

[untold niche]

this one?

[haughty star]

Yes

Pointless perk unless you lmb

[untold niche]

no wonder
basically everyone here says never take the smite augments

[near wyvern]

Last time I checked it did but 10% of 60DPS is 66DPS so not very noticeable

[untold niche]

yeah levelling psyker was torture because i did the hard way

dude i choked so bad some dude blocked me

[haughty star]

That atlas guy was talking about it last night with some other dude when they were discussing smite for damage vs smite strictly as cc lockup

[untold niche]

my void balls were fucking wind

[haughty star]

I don't understand popping

[near wyvern]

Both smite upgrades are bad if you wanna do smite for damage you do it by using all the soulblaze stuff as well

No need for Enfeeble

[steep estuary]

What is it the psyker character says sometimes? "I don't aim very much and I'm still having fun"? Idk but I felt that.

[haughty star]

I've popped like maybe 12 times in my level 52 psyker life l

[untold niche]

genuine question i thought if you want to do smite for damage you would just use the smite staff?

i assume the staff CCs as well right?

[haughty star]

No

Smite is a fistful

Surge is a fingerful

Tbh the names should be flipped

[untold niche]

doesn't surge lock them?

[haughty star]

Kinda?

But like 3 of them

[near wyvern]

There is no smite staff, it's surge staff and that's for single target damage. Smite is single/multi target CC but you can use soulblaze talents to make an infinite auto kill box as long as enemies come.

[untold niche]

yeah i coudln't recall the name for the electrik staff xD

[hearty dagger]

I've got my drip all set up. Now all i need is a 2 handed force weapon.

[haughty star]

He's talking surge lol

[static needle]

is it illegal not to run toughness regen for shield?

[haughty star]

Yes

You sack of shit

[near wyvern]

No but you will get a lot of confused veterans

[static needle]

[radiant frigate]

cursed

[haughty star]

[untold niche]

nah imo toughness regen is not worth the node if you need to spend it on something else

[static needle]

i feel like i need both quietude and soulstealer, might be wrong tho

[untold niche]

yeah i wouldn't take toughness regen

dude already providing them with bobble

[steep estuary]

Booble

[static needle]

alright well... which is better? soulstealer or quietude?

[untold niche]

i would use bobble because according to the vets here its better for a5histg and up but im too used to vs

@near wyvern WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS MISTER

[static needle]

since im using assail im inclined to think soulstealer...

[near wyvern]

@static needle do you use a staff?

[static needle]

voidstrike

[steep estuary]

Soulstealer if you kill things warpily a lot

[static needle]

with surge and nexus

[near wyvern]

Quietitude

[static needle]

hmm

[haughty star]

Generally unless I'm on my melee build I will always run more supportive

[near wyvern]

Quietitude

If you have to choose

[haughty star]

As a rule in general actually

[static needle]

I do cause I feel like its far too big a loss for the team if I dont run toughness regen on shield

[noble palm]

evening comrades is one of you nice enought to explain to me the different kinds of staffes, thx in advance

[untold niche]

vs gives

• AOE horde clear
• instant vent which "combos" into smite
• basically a panic button

bobble gives

• beign safe from gunners, snipers and to some extend flamers and trappers
  but has long cooldown even with my 3x cdr curio

[near wyvern]

If you run toughness gen on shield you can do soulstealer for void but still quietitude with surge

Cause you have a source of on demand toughness gen there

[untold niche]

pygex pygex pygex pygex

[haughty star]

Tbh there's only like 3 missions or varying oddball mission types that I feel shield is useful on

[near wyvern]

Surge doesn't kill many targets but generates a shit ton of peril so quietitude is the better choice there

[near wyvern]

Thoughts on what, using a bubble?

[untold niche]

no, bubble vs venting shriek

voidstrike build

[haughty star]

I have bubble build saved but there's like one mission maybe two that I'll actually roll it on

[near wyvern]

Both work, I have a video of doing it with a bubble if you want

[untold niche]

yeh sure
but to you which is better? or purely preference

i got too used to having venting shriek

[haughty star]

Its pretty situational if you ask me

[static needle]

? you kmean surge staff or surge blessing?

[haughty star]

Alot of maps don't really benefit from having a shield

[untold niche]

i never explode because i always know if i have vs so i can vent if i am going to explode, and when its on cd i play safer

so when i tried going to bobble

i explode

heh heh

[near wyvern]

Preference, depends on map and team as well. You can run any of the two, it just plays out a bit differently. Bubble is more forgiving if you have bad situational awareness.

https://youtu.be/wvBG9GLK7Ys

There I use bubble cause I like to play void with anti ranged role in mind

[haughty star]

Yeah I like having vent for revives tbh and it's just a good breathing room thing

Surge don't have a high damage aoe I can clear a hole with so vs works out nice for it

[untold niche]

wait i thought surge has good aoe damage?

since its a cloud

[untold niche]

damn you make me want to grind out another void staff with your blessings

i was running that setup for a while

[haughty star]

Surge is a lightning bolt

[untold niche]

sorry i got confused

with the fire staff

you can tell i only play void

lol.

[haughty star]

Like a tesla coil you can aim

[untold niche]

staff came prebuilt with flurry4

[haughty star]

Flurry is so based for surge

[untold niche]

@near wyvern combat knfie actuall better than the holy trinity? (ds4, illisi, deimos)

[near wyvern]

Define better. I like it for mobility if I don't need a lot of damage from my melee.

[untold niche]

ohhhh. genuien question how do you survive in like defence areas
be it hab dreyko tree, or the new map with the circular room

even with ds4 i really struggled on defence areas

[haughty star]

Ds4

[near wyvern]

I block, dodge and kill

[haughty star]

I had one in leveling and that fucker was badass

[untold niche]

thats what i try but ;-;
Ds4 feels so good but i really felt like i was about to drown whenever i have to whip it out for horde

[long wharf]

I run booble without toughness regen node on my void+assail serious build

[untold niche]

i maybe wouldn't die but i defo felt i wasn't "winning"

[haughty star]

It stabs through on heavy poke I think

[haughty star]

Kite em through a door of available or into a ball and start skewering

[long wharf]

the biggest flaw of the second booble upgrade node is the toughness DR when it ends

it'd be better if it was toughness DR while inside the booble

too few players stick around inside the booble until it ends

[untold niche]

no hallways on hab dreyko tree

oh yeah pygex, on crit, full dd stacks, how many hits to take down crusher?
i assume 2?

or like 1crit headshot + 1 normal headshot

no surge

with cara perk

with the thresholds right, im really rethinking surge

also i see now

you actually use smite quite a fair bit

[haughty star]

Idk they say one alot

[untold niche]

one?

[haughty star]

For DS4 or Surge

[untold niche]

voidstrike

[hearty dagger]

Stunshield is actually pretty useful to just slap down. Domeshield is pretty damn overkill for most situations though.

[untold niche]

surge blessing
fatshark using same terms

[haughty star]

I got surge staff for taking out anything with gun

Just corner peak until everything dies

Lmb for shit that the bolt won't reach

[hearty dagger]

Yeah, but you do get situations where you might just go "Oh fuck" and need something to hide behind immediately

Ergo, Surprise Reaper

[tawny pebble]

big sneaky ogryn

[untold niche]

pygex actually smite alot of stuff
all i do is fire voidballs at everything i see

can't believe such a big difference in playstyles

top1% psyker vs top 50% psyker

[tawny pebble]

really? maybe i'm lucky

[haughty star]

This is the only big difference I see with running deflector

[tawny pebble]

folks tend to recognize survivability is up when the bubble is up

[untold niche]

thats why i take whats the blessing called on force swords that lets you block bullets

[tawny pebble]

deflector

[long wharf]

because they're getting toughness regen

not toughness DR

[untold niche]

but tbf, i haven;'t found much use. most of the time im still abusing the wall

[long wharf]

the toughness DR only kicks in for players who are inside the booble when it ends

[untold niche]

ultimately you still need to peek out to shoot the gunner

[hot zephyr]

I mean, it's mostly nice for negating the burst of damage that can happen if you've got a ton of gunners blocked off with it and it drops

[long wharf]

toughness DR while inside the booble would make it must-have

[untold niche]

also pygex doesn't seem to edge that muc hif not at all

[long wharf]

yeah, I'm not saying it isn't nice, but that it has a restrictive activation condition is what I don't like about it

[vapid iron]

Quick question: is sustained fire on the columnus any good?

[long wharf]

in most of my games, the group isn't staying inside the booble through the end of its life (except at points where the level forces you to stay in one spot, i.e. hacks)

[hot zephyr]

Edging peril is overrated. You only have so much brain power to go around and there's a LOT going on during an auric run. Better to sacrifice DPS for positioning and safety

[untold niche]

he is such a holistic player
atm im so confident with voidstrike i sometimes just walk up to ragers to kill them

@hot zephyr nah i got into the habit of doing it.
after every voidstrike shot, see number, if i need to full charge and over 85, quell. if i just need to half charge then i shoot. i think full charge form 85 wouldnt make youe xplode but you would end up in 100

[hot zephyr]

No unfortunately. You want DumDum and then either Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy. Sustained Fire and Punishing Salvo don't mesh with Columnus because it's reason to be taken is burst damage from mag dumping, and Sustained/Punishing negate that by forcing you to stop and reset your salvo

[long wharf]

I don't actively edge peril

[untold niche]

i run the peril based DR, crit and damage so i just edge

[long wharf]

I pay attention when I get high, and then quell as much as I think is necessary to continue being effective in the moment

[vapid iron]

so this one is probably a little bricked

[haughty star]

My current surge/smite psyker

[long wharf]

that's, uh, a lot of toughness gain there

[untold niche]

no PC?

[haughty star]

Perilous combustion?

[untold niche]

yeah

[mental rock]

Also no flame yell

[haughty star]

Not enough perks for it

[hot zephyr]

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a lot of brain power for a marginal gain. This game isn't about doing theoretical max dps, it's chaotic and messy and good enough is the name of the game.

[long wharf]

find a point for it, then

[tawny pebble]

is the peril generation toughness one really necessary with all the other stuff you got?

[long wharf]

Creeping Flames is too damn good when you're already venting anyways

[tawny pebble]

esp the on-crit toughness with the high base crit rate of surge staff

[untold niche]

after a while its not alot of brain power.
basically after one shot, if over 85, quell one tick. thats about it

thats what i do